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Meadowood chef Christopher Kostow and WSJ’s Howie Kahn: The Future of Restaurants INDAGARE GLOBAL CONVERSATIONS | 1.10 Melissa Biggs Bradley Hi, and welcome to Indagare’s Global Conversations, a podcast about how traveling the world shapes our lives and perspectives. I’m Melissa Biggs Bradley of Indagare, a company I founded on the belief that how you travel matters. I’m sitting down with some of the most inspiring and innovative people I’ve met while on the road. They’re activists and conservationists, designers and filmmakers, writers, chefs, and entrepreneurs. They will share stories about their travels and how they lead lives of passion and purpose. They inspire me, as I hope they will you. Welcome to the Conversation! When I think of some of the most obsessed and obsessive travelers I've known, they're often people who eat their way through destinations and indeed a food scene, a place’s culinary history and its traditions around eating offer much more than just a delicious way to discover a destination, but often reveal clues to its essence. Which may be why every super talented and celebrated chef that I've ever met is also seriously passionate about travel and the places, the dishes and the ingredients that keep them inspired. Christopher Kostow is the chef at the restaurant at Meadowood, which is located at one of my favorite hotels in America -- the Meadowood Resort in Napa Valley. Since 2011, only a few years after Chris took over the restaurant, it has been awarded three stars by Michelin every year. An incredible run that continues to this day and one that has made Chef Chris the third youngest chef ever to win three Michelin stars. He's also the founder of the Charter Oak Restaurant in Napa, which is a more casual establishment and of Ensue in Shenzhen, China. In 2014, he published his first book, A New Napa Cuisine, which was awarded the Book of the Year by the International Association of Culinary Professionals. Chef Chris lives in Napa with his wife and two young daughters. Having had one of the most memorable meals of my life at the restaurant last year when we hosted an Indagare Insider Journey to Napa with WSJ magazine, I can say with conviction that he is a gastronomic genius. Also joining this conversation is Howie Kahn, an author and a contributing editor at the Wall Street Journal's WSJ Magazine. He was also my co-host during our Nappa journey, which is one that we plan to offer again in 2021. Howie is the creator of the daily podcast Takeout Only, which has been covering the hospitality and food industry during COVID 19 and which I highly recommend you give a listen to. As you can imagine, the conversation covers a lot of kitchen wisdom and global eating from Napa to China to Mexico, but it also reveals what both of these food obsessed men always keep in their pantries. And if you're inspired to visit Napa at the end of the episode, stay tuned for some Indagare expert tips on how to plan a visit and what not to miss when you do. So I'm thrilled to have both of you guys here today. I'm excited to get into talking about cooking and traveling and restaurants. But first, I wanted to start with what this whole lockdown situation looks like for both of you. You know, where you are, who you're sheltering with, how your routines have changed, all of that. Howie Kahn Chef, you go first. Christopher Kostow Thank you. I am in lockdown with my wife and two children, which has been lovely for me. They’d have to speak for themselves on how they're enjoying this. So we have been holed up in our home in Calistoga, just a little bit north of where I sit today. And we've been engaging in all those things that are discussed, the 24 hour a day on top of each other contact. Truth be told, to be frank, that part of this whole thing has been wonderful. MBB Yeah, that's because you get to eat your food and the rest of us have to eat our own cooking. But go ahead, Howie. HK It's true. Christopher is also sitting inside the restaurant at Meadowood right now, which is a nice place to be. I am inside the restaurant at my mother in law's house where my family has been living in quarantine for the last seven weeks. We have a four year old son and we thought it would be better for him to have a little bit of a backyard in the suburbs as opposed to living in Brooklyn where we live, which started to look like the dark scenes from a Batman movie. So we're here and it's me and my wife and our little boy and my mother and father in law. One big happy family. Cooking's been good. CK Are you doing all the cooking? HK I'm doing a lot of cooking. It's hard because everybody likes different things. So I'm cooking, like, kind of diner style, where everybody gets a little bit of what they want. My son's easy. He eats like buttered noodles for every meal. And I want stuff with, like, lots of fish sauce in it. And my mother in law doesn't eat salt. So, I mean, where we're like all we're all over the map. But it's, it's good. I mean, we're learning how to do it every day and, you know, we're all in the same boat. MBB So, Chris, you want to tell us a little bit about how you found your way to the kitchen? CK I'm a child of Midwestern suburbs, Highland Park, Illinois, outside of Chicago, where I was born and raised. I started cooking in the summer times at a music festival called Ravinia, which some of you may know is the summer home of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and a venue at the time, for sort of like B level, not as good as they once were, groups like the Ringo Starr All Star Band, things like that. Anyway, the music festival...there was a big food and beverage component operated by a well-known Chicago restaurant group. And that's where all the kids would work for their summer jobs. So I had my first summer job, I think I was like 14, working a cash register. The guys in the kitchen were drinking the leftover box wine and having a really good time. And I said, that's where I want to be. And that began my cooking career, more or less frying chicken and baking flat top cheeseburgers and the like. And I continued to cook in some form or fashion through high school, through college. I went to Hamilton College with a concentration of philosophy and did a lot of cooking there for professors and friends and things of that sort. And I graduated in ‘99 and wanted to go somewhere warm and moved to Southern California, to San Diego with some friends and got a place on the beach and started cooking for a chef named Trey Foshay, who was in La Jolla, is still in La Jolla, is a good friend and a great chef. He sort of gave me my start. After working with him for some time, I went to Europe, was sort of back and forth over four or five years between Europe, mostly France, and both Southern California and eventually Northern California. I worked in Montpellier, Juan les Pines, Paris, Grasse and a long time in Juan-Les-Pins for a chef named Christian Morriset. I had my first chef position, I was a sous chef for Daniel Humm when he was at Campton Place in San Francisco. And when he moved east to take over Eleven Madison Park, I chose to sort of set out on my own and took a job as a chef at this little restaurant south of San Francisco in Mountain View, which is the home of Google. This is sort of, well, Google existed, but it was before Silicon Valley became as much a destination as it is now. And in this little old Victorian home with fake Tiffany lamps and a creaky floor and a bathroom lock that wouldn’t work and all sorts of very odd touches, I think we did some pretty good food and got some recognition. And I was looking at that time, this is 2008, 2007, I was looking for what I believed to be a bigger stage and better launching pad and maybe some more visibility and some things to compliment that cooking I believed we were doing. I heard about this place, Meadowood, which I frankly hadn't heard of prior, and they were looking for a chef. And it happened pretty quick. And I was up here for my first day of service. It was Valentine's Day of 2008. And I have been here a long time. I have far longer than I've ever been any place. I've lived here longer than I've ever lived any place; we've been able to make this our home. So I think we've had some successes here. I count the ones in the personal life of far greater value than the restaurant stuff.