Further Add to This, Including Through Its Rover, Which Aims to Explore the Moon's Surface to Collect Data About It

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further add to this, including through its Rover, which aims to explore the moon's surface to collect data about it.

This Mission is an important milestone in India's contribution to explore the outer space. I am sure that I reflect the sentiments of all the hon. Members of this House in wishing this Mission all success.

I would also like to mention here that the forthcoming 12th August will mark one hundred years of the birth of the pioneer of space science in India, Dr. Vikram Sarabhai. Chandrayaan-2 Mission is a happy coincidence at this historical moment. It is also a tribute from the entire nation to Dr. Sarabhai and those numerous space scientists who have followed in his footsteps.

The encouragement and support extended by the Government led by the concerned Minister and the Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi, has been crucial for the success of this Mission, for which they deserve to be complimented.

On behalf of the House and the nation, I once again extend heartiest congratulations to all the scientists and personnel behind the success of today's launch of Chandrayaan-2 and also convey our good wishes for the successful culmination of this mission.

GOVERNMENT BILLs — Contd.

The Protection of Human Rights (Amendment) Bill, 2019

MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, I have an appeal to make. Just now, while coming here, I heard the point raised by Leader of the Opposition. We have to understand that we are the House of Elders and we are taking up important issues. There are provisions within the rules and also precedents set by earlier Chairmen at different occasions on certain issues. All of them are kept in mind. I do agree that whenever a Bill is introduced or brought before the House, due consideration has to be given to the Members who want to move an amendment to the Bill in whatever manner they want. Once the Chairman gives permission and the Bill is brought before the House and the House takes up the discussion, the Members who have given notice for moving the amendment, they should say whether they want to move the amendment or not. They have no option other than this. 422 Government[RAJYA SABHA] Bills

[Mr. Chairman] Secondly, by creating disorder in the House and then demanding for order, both the things, cannot go together. My earnest appeal to all of you is that I understand and I know the sentiments of the Members on both sides that time should be given to all. So, keeping in mind, this peculiar situation of Saturday and Sunday, being non-working days, but, I want to say that as Members of Parliament, we always work. So, they have utilized these two days. But, there were people who could not utilise these two days? time. I came to know about this in the morning. Certain hon. Members of the House, during the BAC meeting, have brought this to my notice. So, I told them that I am allowing them and I am giving exemption from this two days? limit. They can give their amendments today itself and we will instantly give them permission. Accordingly, permission has been given and certain Members of the House have given in writing about their intention to move the amendments. The Chair has given permission. They should have moved the amendments. Now, at the end of the day, they have moved the amendments. They are on record now. The discussion should go on and when the time about the Bill as well as the amendments come, decision will be taken by the Chair and by the House. I appeal, to all of you, please, on the eve of this very, very happy news for the entire country, let us resume the debate and move on.

(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair)

SHRI SUKHENDU SEKHAR RAY: Sir, this is misinterpretation of the rule. ...(interruptions)...

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SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA: Sir, I have a point of order. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Prabhat Jha ji, one second. ...(Interruptions)... Tiruchi Siva ji is on a point of order. ...(Interruptions)... Under which Rule? ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA: Sir, it is under Rule 258. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, Sukhendu Sekhar ji raised a point of order. We need a ruling on that. ...(Interruptions)... Before that...... (Interruptions)...

SHRI SUKHENDU SEKHAR RAY: There is no ruling. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA: Sir, two-three days before, the Minister of State in the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs moved a motion here that since the Standing Committees have not been constituted, the Demands for Grants cannot be taken up by the Standing Committees, and, therefore, he proposed the suspension of Rule 272 and the House agreed to that. So, when the House was not able to handle the situation, he moved a motion and it was accepted.

Similarly, Sir, if the Bill has not reached the Members and they could not get the due time of two days, Rule 130 should have been suspended, by way of moving a motion, at least, for these two Bills which are being moved today. Since the Bill Government[22 July, 2019] Bills 425 has not reached the Members, it should have been moved like that and then adopted. ...(Interruptions)... We agree to that, Sir.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Hon. Tiruchi Siva ji, on Rule 267, already hon. Chairman has clarified the position. Regarding the issue raised by Sukhendu Sekhar Ray ji or the hon. Leader of the Opposition, hon. Chairman has already clarified. So, let the discussion continue. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA: Sir, it is the propriety of the House. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Mr. Prabhat Jha, please continue. ...(Interruptions)...

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SHRI SUKHENDU SEKHAR RAY: Sir, without Rule 130! ...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Sukhendu Sekhar ji, Rule 130 is not applicable in this case. •Ö²Ö ×²Ö»Ö ¤æüÃÖ¸êü ÆüÖˆÃÖ ´Öë †´Öë›ü ÆüÖêÛú¸ü μÖÆüÖÓ †Ö‹, ˆÃÖ´Öë μÖÆü ‹¯»ÖßÛêú²Ö»Ö Æîü… μÖÆüÖÓ ¯Ö¸ü ºþ»Ö 25 †Öî¸ü ºþ»Ö 95 »ÖÖÝÖæ Æïü… ...(Interruptions)... I have already clarified.

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DR. SANTANU SEN (West Bengal) : Sir, we are walking out.

(At this stage some hon. Members left the Chamber)

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[Shri Vivek K. Tankha] 2009-10 •Ö²Ö ‡ŸÖ®Öß ÃÖÖ¸üß deaths ÆüÖê ¸üÆüß Æïü, †Ö¯Ö ˆÃÖß ×ÃÖÃ™ü´Ö Ûêú »ÖÖêÝÖÖë ÛúÖê Human Rights Commission ÛúÖ ´Öê´²Ö¸ü ²Ö®ÖÖŸÖê Æïü… μÖÆü Ã™êü™ËüÃÖ ´Öë ³Öß ÆüÖê ¸üÆüÖ Æîü, ŒμÖÖë×Ûú law ŸÖÖê ‹Ûú Æüß Æîü… μÖÆüÖÓ ³Öß ‡ÃÖß law Ûêú basis ¯Ö¸ü appointments ÆüÖêŸÖê Æïü †Öî¸ü ‡ÃÖß law Ûêú basis ¯Ö¸ü Ã™êü™ËüÃÖ ´Öë ³Öß appointments ÆüÖêŸÖê Æïü… I know of so many State, •ÖÆüÖÓ ¯Ö¸ü ¯Öã×»ÖÃÖ Ûêú IGs and DGPs ¾ÖÝÖî¸üÆü ÛúÖê Human Rights Commission ´Öë ›üÖ»ÖÖ ÝÖμÖÖ… ‡ÃÖÛêú ²ÖÖ¸êü ´Öë »ÖÖêÝÖÖë ÛúÖê •ÖÖê ‹Ûú confidence †ÖŸÖÖ Æîü, ‹Ûú trust †ÖŸÖÖ Æîü, in a system, Æü´Ö ¾ÖÆü trust ŸÖÖê ®ÖÆüà ¤êü ¯ÖÖ ¸üÆêü Æïü…

Human Rights Commissions Ûúß recommendations Ûúß ŒμÖÖ ÆüÖ»ÖŸÖ Æîü? †Ö¯Ö®Öê ˆ®ÖÛúÖê Civil Court Ûúß power ¤êü ¤üß… ²ÖÆãüŸÖ †“”ûÖ ×ÛúμÖÖ, ŒμÖÖë×Ûú ultimately †ÝÖ¸ü ˆ®Æëü inquiry, investigation complete Ûú¸ü®Öß Æîü, ŒμÖÖë×Ûú μÖÆü ‹Ûú statutory complaint ÆüÖêŸÖß Æîü, ŸÖÖê some procedure will have to be followed. They follow a procedure. ‹êÃÖÖ Ûú¸ü®Öê Ûêú ²ÖÖ¤ü ¾Öê †¯Ö®Öß recommendation ¤êüŸÖê Æïü… It is not an order. It is a recommendation. ˆÃÖÛêú ²ÖÖ¤ü †Ö¯Ö ˆÃÖ recommendation ÛúÖê »ÖêÛú¸ü ¯Öæ¸üß ¤ãü×®ÖμÖÖ ´Öë ‘Öæ´ÖŸÖê ¸ü×Æü‹ ×Ûú ÛúÖê‡Ô ˆÃÖê implement Ûú¸êü… ¾ÖÆü ÃÖÖ»ÖÖë implement ®ÖÆüà ÆüÖêŸÖß Æîü… Ûú‡Ô ²ÖÖ¸ü »ÖÖêÝÖÖë ÛúÖê ˆ®ÖÛêú implementation Ûêú ×»Ö‹ ÆüÖ‡Ô ÛúÖê™Ôü •ÖÖ®ÖÖ ¯Ö›ÌüŸÖÖ Æîü, for a writ. I know of those cases. Æü´Ö®Öê ŒμÖÖ ×ÃÖÃ™ü´Ö ²Ö®ÖÖμÖÖ Æîü? †ÝÖ¸ü Æü´Ö ‡ÃÖ´Öë amendment Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü £Öê, ŸÖÖê Æü´Ö ‡®Ö “Öß•ÖÖë ÛúÖê amend Ûú¸üŸÖê… †Ö¯Ö Justice Ûúß •ÖÝÖÆü judge ÛúÖê »Öê †Ö‹… μÖÆü ŸÖÖê †Ö¯Ö cosmetic amendments »ÖÖ ¸üÆêü Æïü, †ÝÖ¸ü †Ö¯Ö functional amendments »ÖÖŸÖê, ŸÖÖê ¤êü¿Ö ÜÖã¿Ö ÆüÖêŸÖÖ, †Ö•Ö activists ÜÖã¿Ö ÆüÖêŸÖê, •Ö®ÖŸÖÖ ÜÖã¿Ö ÆüÖêŸÖß… ¾Öê amendments ŸÖÖê †Ö‹ ®ÖÆüà, •ÖÖê real amendments ÆüÖê®Öê “ÖÖ×Æü‹ £Öê…

†Ö¯Ö ¤êü×ÜÖ‹, Section 30 ´Öë ×»ÖÜÖÖ Æîü ×Ûú Human Rights Courts ²Ö®ÖëÝÖê… †Ö¯Ö ×¾Ö¿¾Ö ´Öë ÛúÆüà ³Öß ×ÛúÃÖß †“”êû ¤êü¿Ö ´Öë •ÖÖ‡‹, ŸÖÖê ¾ÖÆüÖÓ ¯Ö¸ü Human Rights Courts Æïü… Immigration issues ÆüÖêŸÖê Æïü, recial issues ÆüÖêŸÖê Æïü, gender issues ÆüÖêŸÖë Æïü, India ´Öë caste-community Ûêú issues ÆüÖê ÃÖÛúŸÖê Æïü, μÖê ÃÖ²Ö cases Human Rights Courts ´Öë •ÖÖ®Öê “ÖÖ×Æü‹… μÖÆü law ÛúÖ mandate Æîü ×Ûú ‡ÃÖ ¤êü¿Ö ´Öë Human Rights Courts establish ÆüÖëÝÖê… μÖÆü †Ö•Ö ŸÖÛú ®ÖÆüà Æãü†Ö… ‡®Ö amendments Ûêú «üÖ¸üÖ Æü´Ö ‹Ûú lip-service ¤êüÛú¸ü ³Öß ŒμÖÖ Ûú¸ëüÝÖê? †Ö¯Ö μÖê amendments pass ³Öß Ûú¸ü¾ÖÖ »Öß×•Ö‹, ‡®ÖÃÖê Solution £ÖÖê›Ìêü Æüß †Ö®Öê ¾ÖÖ»ÖÖ Æîü… ´Öê¸üß ŸÖÖê †Ö¯ÖÃÖê μÖÆüß urge Æîü ×Ûú Æü´Ö μÖê ÃÖ²Ö “Öß•Öë ŸÖÖê Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü Æïü, but the lerger issue should have been addressed. ‡ÃÖ×»Ö‹ •Ö²Ö μÖÆü ²ÖÖê»ÖÖ ÝÖμÖÖ ×Ûú μÖÆü Select Committee ÛúÖê •ÖÖ®ÖÖ “ÖÖ×Æü‹ †Öî¸ü †ÝÖ¸ μÖÆü Select Committeee ´Öë •ÖÖŸÖÖ, ŸÖÖê μÖê ÃÖ²Ö ²ÖÖŸÖë ÃÖÖ´Ö®Öê †ÖŸÖà, Standing Committee ´Öë •ÖÖŸÖÖ, ŸÖÖê μÖê ÃÖ²Ö ²ÖÖŸÖë ÃÖÖ´Ö®Öê †ÖŸÖà… •Ö²Ö †Ö¯Ö Standing Committee ´Öë ³Öê•ÖëÝÖê ®ÖÆüà, Select Committee ´Öë ³Öê•ÖëÝÖê ®ÖÆüà, ŸÖÖê ‹êÃÖê half-hearted, half-baked laws ²Ö®ÖëÝÖê… Government[22 July, 2019] Bills 429

Æü´ÖÛúÖê Æü´ÖÖ¸êü, per se, Leader of the Opposition ®Öê ÛúÆüÖ ×Ûú Æü´ÖÛúÖê ‡ÃÖ law ÃÖê ÛúÖê‡Ô ²ÖÆãüŸÖ •μÖÖ¤üÖ objection ®ÖÆüà ÆüÖê ÃÖÛúŸÖÖ… »Öê×Ûú®Ö †Ö¯Ö®Öê Chief Justice Ûêú ÃÖÖ£Ö Judge ÛúÖê ÛúÖê add Ûú¸ü ×¤üμÖÖ, ‹êÃÖê ´Öë †ÝÖ¸ü μÖÆü Standing Committee ´Öëü •ÖÖŸÖÖ, ŸÖÖê Æü´Ö †Ö¯ÖÃÖê ¯Öæ”ûŸÖê ×Ûú †Ö¯Ö ¤üÖê-¤üÖê judges ÛúÖê ŒμÖÖë »ÖÖ ¸üÆêü Æïü? '²Öß' ´Öë ³Öß †Ö¯Ö ‹Ûú Supreme Court Judge ÛúÖê ŒμÖÖë »ÖÖ ¸üÆêü Æïü? †ÝÖ¸ü †Ö¯Ö ‡ÃÖê Select Committee ´Öë ³Öê•ÖŸÖê, ŸÖÖê Æü´Ö μÖÆü ³Öß ²ÖŸÖÖŸÖê ×Ûú ‡ÃÖÛêú ¯ÖÆü»Öê •ÖÖê appointments ÆüÖê ¸üÆêü £Öê, they do not inspire confidence, ˆ®ÖÛêú record of human rights ÛúÖê ¤êüÜÖ®ÖÖ “ÖÖ×Æü‹… »Öê×Ûú®Ö μÖÆü ÃÖ²Ö Ûãú”û ŸÖÖê Æãü†Ö Æüß ®ÖÆüà †Öî¸ü †Ö¯Ö Amendment »Öê †Ö‹… Technically, you are correct. Rules Ûêú ŸÖÆüŸÖ ²ÖÆüÃÖ ³Öß ÆüÖê ¸üÆüß Æîü †Öî¸ü Æü´Ö †¯Ö®Öß ²ÖÖŸÖ ³Öß ¸üÜÖ ¸üÆêü Æïü… »Öê×Ûú®Ö ¤êü¿Ö ´Öë •ÖÖê ‹Ûú ´ÖÓ¿ÖÖ £Öß †Öî¸ü •ÖÖê “Öß•ÖÌë ÆüÖê ÃÖÛúŸÖß £Öà, ²Ö¤ü»Ö ÃÖÛúŸÖß £Öà, national, international standards ´Öë †¯Ö®Öê †Ö¯ÖÛúÖê »ÖÖ ÃÖÛúŸÖê £Öê, ¾ÖÆü opportunity Æü´Ö lose Ûú¸ü ¸üÆêü Æïü… †Ö¯Ö Human Rights Courts ÛúÖ Section 30 ¤êü×ÜÖ‹… ´Öï μÖÆü Act »ÖêÛú¸ü †ÖμÖÖ ÆæÓü †Öî¸ü †Ö¯ÖÛúÖê ¯ÖœÌüÛú¸ü ²ÖŸÖÖŸÖÖ ÆæÓü… Section 30 ´Öë ŒμÖÖ ×»ÖÜÖÖ Æîü? μÖÆü ÃÖë™ü¸ü Ûúß “Öß•ÖÌ ®ÖÆüà Æîü, μÖÆü Ã™êü™ËüÃÖ ÛúÖê ²Ö®ÖÖ®Öß ¯Ö›ÌüŸÖß Æîü, not one State. "For the purpose of providing speedy trial of offences arising out of violation of human rights, the State Government may, with the concurrence of the Chief Justice of the High Cout, by notification, specify for each district a Court of Session to be a Human Rights Court to try the said offences: Provided that nothing in this section shall apply if-

(a) a Court of Session is already specified as a special court; or

(b) a special court is already constituted,..."

ÛúÖê‡Ô court constituted ®ÖÆüà Æîü… †²Ö †Ö¯Ö ÛúÆëüÝÖê, Labour Court is a Human Rights Court. •Ö²Ö μÖÆü ÛúÆüÖ ÝÖμÖÖ Æîü, ŸÖÖê ÛúÆüà ®Ö ÛúÆüà human rights ÃÖê connected ÛúÖê‡Ô labour disdputes ³Öß ÆüÖëÝÖê… †Ö¯Ö •ÖÖ®ÖŸÖê Æïü ×Ûú human rights ÛúÖ ‹Ûú †»ÖÝÖ connotation ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü… Human rights ÛúÖ violation ŸÖ²Ö ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü, when there is a dominant object and there is a subject. Domination ÃÖê •ÖÖê rights ÛúÖ Æü®Ö®Ö ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü, ˆÃÖÛúÖê human rights ÛúÖ violation ÛúÆüŸÖê Æïü… Every civil dispute, every commercial dispute, there would always be an element of domination. ‹Ûú General Manger ‹Ûú worker ÛúÖê sack Ûú¸üŸÖÖ Æîü, there is an element of domination but, Æü¸ü ¾ÖŒŸÖ Æü´Ö ‹êÃÖê ÛêúÃÖ ÛúÖê Human Rights Court Ûêú »ÖÖμÖÛú ÛêúÃÖ ®ÖÆüà ÃÖ´Ö—ÖŸÖê… Human rights ÛúÖ ÃÖ¾ÖÖ»Ö ŸÖ²Ö ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü, •Ö²Ö †Ö¯ÖÛêú rights ÛúÖ Æü®Ö®Ö ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü… •ÖÖê Æü®Ö®Ö conscience Ûêú ×¾Ö¯Ö¸üßŸÖ ÆüÖêŸÖÖ Æîü μÖÖ •ÖÆüÖÓ recial discrimination μÖÖ ²ÖÖÛúß ÃÖ²Ö “Öß•ÖÌÖë Ûúß ²ÖÖŸÖ †ÖŸÖß Æïü, ŸÖÖê ´Öê¸üÖ ÛúÆü®ÖÖ Æîü ×Ûú ‡ÃÖ ¯Ö¸ü ‹Ûú †“”ûß ÃÖß debate ÆüÖêŸÖß, †“”ûÖ ÃÖÖ consideration ÆüÖêŸÖÖ, had it gone to a Select Committee or to a Standing Committee, maybe, we could have brought a better Amendment which would have served this country better. Thank you. 430 Government[RAJYA SABHA] Bills

SHRI S. MUTHUKARUPPAN (Tamil Nadu): Hon. Deputy-Chairman, Sir, I am thankful for this opportunity to speak on the Protection of Human Rights (Amendment) Bill, 2019. It was introduced in the Lok Sabha by the hon. Home Minister, Thiru Amit Shahji on July 8th, 2019. The Bill amends the Protection of Human Rights Act of 1993. The existing Act provides for a National Human Rights Commission, State Human Rights Commissions as well as Human Rights Courts. The existing Act provides for two persons having knowledge of human rights to be appointed as Members of the National Human Rights Commission. The Bill amends this to allow three Members to be appointed, of which, at least, one will be a woman. Under the Act, the Chairpersons of various Commissions, such as the National Commission for Scheduled Castes, the National Commission for Scheduled Tribes and the National Commission of Women are members of the National Human Rights Commission. The Bill provides for including the Chairpersons of the National Commission for Backward Classes and the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights, and the Chief Commissioner for Persons with Disabilities as members of the National Human Rights Commission. As far as the term of office is concerned, the Act states that the Chairperson and the members of the National Human Rights Commission and States' Human Rights Commissions would hold office for five years or till the age of 70 years, whichever is earlier but the Bill reduces the term of office to three years or till the age of 70 years, whichever is earlier and shall be eligible for re-appointment also. Again, the existing Act provides for a Secretary- General of the National Human Rights Commission and a Secretary of a State Human Rights Commission, who exercise powers, as may be delegated to them.

The Bill amends this and allows the Secretary-General and Secretary to exercise all administrative and financial functions, subject to the respective Chairperson's control. Under the Act, the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission and State Human Rights Commissions is a person, who has been a Chief Justice of Supreme Court and Chief Justice of High Courts.

The Bill amends this to provide that a person who has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or Judge of the Supreme Court will be the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission.

Likewise, the amendment proposes to enable any person, who has been a Judge of a High Court, to be the Chairperson of the State Human Rights Commission. These are all welcoming measures. Government[22 July, 2019] Bills 431

Further, Sir, the changes in the legislation will help in protecting the human rights effectively.

During the era of hon. Prime Minister of India, Thiru. Narendra Modiji, the women were coming forward and shouldering greater responsibilities because one among the three Members of this National as well as the State Human Rights Commission shall be a woman Member.

So, on behalf of my party, AIADMK, I strongly support this Bill. Thank you so much, Sir.

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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN : Now, Shri Prasanna Acharya.

SHRI PRASANNA ACHARYA (Odisha): Sir, human rights is an international subject now. The United Nations' Sub-Committee on Accreditation, I think, keeps a very close watch on this subject in almost all the countries and India is not an exception. And moreover, our own NHRC, they have also recommended some amendments to the Government of India. So, we thought that in this Amendment Bill, the recommendations of our own National Human Rights Commission of India would have got proper reflection. But, I am sorry to say that many of the recommendations of the NHRC are not reflected in this Amendment Bill. As Prof. Ram Gopal Yadavji was rightly saying, sometimes, the Supreme Court of India had made observations that our NHRC is a toothless body. So, I thought that the Government is bringing this Bill to put more teeth into the mouth of the NHRC. But, I think, there are certain provisions which are going to make this NHRC more toothless. For example, the point, which Prof. Ram Gopal Yadav was raising was about reappointment. I also entirely agree with him and other Members of this House. I don't understand as to what is the necessity of making a provision for reappointment. On the one hand, you are reducing the term from five years to three years. On the 434 Government[RAJYA SABHA] Bills

[Shri Prasanna Acharya] other hand, the provision of reappointment is being made. So, I think, the Government should once again think over it. It is very much possible, as he was rightly saying that a member, in the hope of reappointment, may remain soft towards the Government or any other authority. So, this provision has to be dropped. This is my considered opinion. Earlier in the original Act, the NCBC and NCW were members. Now, the NCPCR, the Chief Commissioner for PWD and the NCSC have been included. They will be deemed members of this NHRC. But, Sir, what is happening is that, off late, it has been the habit of all the Governments, and the Government of day, to appoint their own people in such organizations as chairman and members. And, sometimes, I am sorry to say, it has become a forum for political rehabilitation. And again, we are taking those people as deemed members to this NHRC. Are we not providing scope for bringing in more political elements in such organizations? That is my apprehension because the institutions like NHRC, the State Human Rights Commissions, etc., should be kept beyond the influence and power of political elements. We are all political elements here. But, let us try to, at least, keep some institutions and organizations above political considerations. So, I have got that apprehension..(Interruptions).. Sir, I have to make two points. There are a number of vacancies in the State Human Rights Commissions. Even for years together, Chairmen of the State Human Rights Commissions, including members, in many of the States are not appointed. These posts are lying vacant. So, I think, when we are making certain amendments in the Bill, make a provision in the Bill that there should be a time bound programme to fill up the vacancies. Beyond that period, there will no vacancy. It will be compulsory on the part of the concerned authority to appoint Chairman and members in the National Human Rights Commission, and also the State Human Rights Commissions. A large number of cases are pending in the NHRC and the State Human Rights Commissions. Cases are pending in thousands.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

SHRI PRASANNA ACHARYA: I am concluding, Sir. So, I welcome this proposal that you are incorporating more members into the body so that it becomes easier for them to dispose off more cases. But, one of the reasons why cases are pending is in many of the Government organizations, the officers are not taking seriously the NHRC and the State Human Rights Commissions, and they are not submitting their reports, as asked by the Commissions. They are taking so much of time, and that is, Government[22 July, 2019] Bills 435

I think, one of the reasons why so many cases are pending. In certain cases, the NHRC is taking itself..(Interruptions)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please conclude.

SHRI PRASANNA ACHARYA: I am just concluding. I want to make one point. I welcome the suggestion that we are taking a lady member in it. It is a very welcome suggestion. But, one point I want to make is that if the cases are beyond one year old, then, the NHRC or the State Human Rights Commissions cannot take it up. This provision should be dispensed with. This is my proposition. Thank you.

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Now, Sir, all that you have asked is replacing 'the Chief Justice of India of the Supreme Court' with 'a judge'. I have no objection because, to me, Supreme Court Chief Justice of India is the first among equals. But the public perception is, you have brought down from the Chief Justice to the Judge. You must always go on such issues with public perception. What did you do again? You have increased the members from two to three. That is all. You have not per se addressed what Shri Vivek Tankha has raised. What exactly are human rights and how do you protect Government[22 July, 2019] Bills 437 them? You have something like 1200 judicial deaths. You have something like one lakh-and-odd complaints given to the Human Rights Commission. What is it doing? Acharyaji spoke about pending cases. Even if there are 20 people and they dispose of all the cases, what will happen? Is there anybody who is responding to them? Is there anybody who is implementing them? The Human Rights' Commission's decisions are just recommendatory and the police or whoever it is are not bothered about them. Sir, I will only refer to what the Standing Committee of Accreditation said about what human rights should be because we did not have that kind of a thing. They expressed their concern. They wanted you to publicize vacancies broadly. If you are taking two members or three members, you should publicize. Did we do it? No. Then, they wanted to maximise the number of potential candidates from wide range of societal groups. Did we do it? No. Then, they wanted to promote broad consultation or participation in the application and screening in selection. Did we do it? No. Then, they wanted to assess applicants on the basis of pre-determined, objective criteria. Did we do it? No. Then, they wanted to select members to serve in their individual capacity rather than on behalf of the organisation. Did we do it? No. We have taken from the organisations, from BC Commission or the Women's Commission. Now, Sir, as far as Paris Principles recommendation is concerned, it wanted HRC to be autonomous. Did we do it? No. We have even political figures coming in it. One Vice-President of the ruling party was nominated, but he resigned. He was a nice man. When there was some kind of an objection, he resigned. Second is regarding the Supreme Court's judgment of powers. Give me any one in these three amendments. You only wanted Sections 2, 3, 6 and 21 to be amended. Four of them spoke only about the structure, but not about human rights. If you really want protection of human rights, then give more teeth to it as Supreme Court wanted. This is not teeth or claws. After the Cabinet approved the Bill, a statement was given that the Amendment Bill is going to give teeth and claws to the Human Rights. Where are the claws? I have not seen. Where are the teeth? I have not seen. Now, if you want to give teeth, give them some powers. At least give them powers of contempt. He talked about the vacancies of the supporting staff like the Enforcement Authority, like the Police. If you want to strengthen Human Rights Commission or protect Human Rights, please try to think of its powers which Supreme Court has expressed, which United Nation's Standing Committee expressed and which Paris Principles asked for. Thank you. 438 Recommendations of...[RAJYA SABHA] ...Advisory Committee

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Before I call the next speaker, Shri Elamaram Kareem, there is an announcement by the Chair.

RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Allocation of time for disposal of Government and other business

MR. CHAIRMAN: I have to inform Members that the Business Advisory Committee at its meeting held on the 22nd of July, 2019, has allotted time as follows for Government Legislative and other Business:-

Business Time Allotted

1 Consideration and passing of the Protection of Children Four Hours from Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill, 2019.

2 Statutory Resolution seeking disapproval of the Muslim Four Hours Women (Protection of Rights on Marriage) Second (To be Ordinance, 2019 (No. 4 of 2019) promulgated by the discussed President on the 21st of February, 2019, admitted in the together) names of Shri Binoy Viswam, Shri Elamaram Kareem, Dr. T. Subbarami Reddy and Shri K. K. Ragesh.

3 Consideration and passing of the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Marriage) Bill, 2019, after it is passed by Lok Sabha- to replace an Ordinance.

4 Consideration and passing of the following Bills, after they are passed by Lok Sabha:-

(a) The Motor Vehicles (Amendment) Bill, 2019. Three Hours

(b) The Surrogacy (Regulation) Bill, 2019. Three Hours

(d) The Right to Information (Amendment) Bill, 2019. Four Hours