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Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 27th Legislature Fourth Session Standing Committee on Legislative Offices Lobbyists Act Review Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:30 p.m. Transcript No. 27-4-6 Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 27th Legislature Fourth Session Standing Committee on Legislative Offices Mitzel, Len, Cypress-Medicine Hat (PC), Chair Lund, Ty, Rocky Mountain House (PC), Deputy Chair Blackett, Lindsay, Calgary-North West (PC) Blakeman, Laurie, Edmonton-Centre (AL) Brown, Dr. Neil, QC, Calgary-Nose Hill (PC) Evans, Iris, Sherwood Park (PC) Hinman, Paul, Calgary-Glenmore (W) Lindsay, Fred, Stony Plain (PC) MacDonald, Hugh, Edmonton-Gold Bar (AL) Marz, Richard, Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills (PC) Notley, Rachel, Edmonton-Strathcona (ND) Quest, Dave, Strathcona (PC) Office of the Ethics Commissioner Participant Brad Odsen, QC Registrar, Lobbyists Act, and General Counsel Department of Justice and Attorney General Participant Joan Neatby Solicitor, Legislative Reform Support Staff W.J. David McNeil Clerk Shannon Dean Senior Parliamentary Counsel/ Director of House Services Robert H. Reynolds, QC Law Clerk/Director of Interparliamentary Relations Corinne Dacyshyn Committee Clerk Jody Rempel Committee Clerk Karen Sawchuk Committee Clerk Rhonda Sorensen Manager of Corporate Communications and Broadcast Services Melanie Friesacher Communications Consultant Tracey Sales Communications Consultant Philip Massolin Committee Research Co-ordinator Stephanie LeBlanc Legal Research Officer Rachel Stein Research Officer Liz Sim Managing Editor of Alberta Hansard Transcript produced by Alberta Hansard October 26, 2011 Legislative Offices LO-343 6:30 p.m. Wednesday, October 26, 2011 Dr. Massolin: Yes, certainly, Mr. Chair. Thank you. If the Title: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 lo committee members would like to turn to page 1, you can see the [Mr. Mitzel in the chair] table of contents there. This report follows a format used for a similar review, a review of the FOIP Act last year with the health The Chair: Good evening, everyone. I’d like to call the meeting PFC committee. You have, as you can see, the items listed there, to order. Welcome to this meeting of the Standing Committee on including the committee mandate; introduction, which basically Leg. Offices. We’re meeting for the review of the Lobbyists Act. provides an overview of the Lobbyists Act; acknowledgements; I’d ask that members and those joining the committee at the table the public consultation process, which includes information on the introduce themselves for the record. My name is Len Mitzel. I’m the written submissions as well as the public presentations here in the MLA for Cypress-Medicine Hat, and I chair this committee. committee room; and then, finally, the committee recommend- dation. Then there are three appendices, as you can see, to list Mr. Lund: Ty Lund, MLA for Rocky Mountain House. those individuals who have presented to the committee either in Mr. Marz: Richard Marz, MLA, Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills. written or oral form, and the final appendix, appendix C, is a minority report. Mr. Lindsay: Fred Lindsay, MLA, Stony Plain. That’s it, Mr. Chair. Ms Blakeman: Laurie Blakeman. I’d like to welcome each and The Chair: Okay. I’ll open the floor for discussion. every one of you to my fabulous constituency of Edmonton- Centre. Mr. Marz: Would it be appropriate at this time to ask for clarification on the minority report that’s included in it? Ms Friesacher: Melanie Friesacher, communications consultant, Legislative Assembly Office. The Chair: Uh-huh. Mr. Odsen: Brad Odsen, lobbyist registrar. Mr. Marz: Perhaps Ms Blakeman could clarify the second-last paragraph. “Waiting until ten years have passed since the Dr. Massolin: Good evening. Philip Massolin, committee implementation of the Lobbyists Act creates unnecessary research co-ordinator, Legislative Assembly Office. opportunities”: could you tell me what that 10 years is that you’re talking about? Ten years hasn’t passed for this review, and it’ll Ms Neatby: Joan Neatby, Alberta Justice. likely be five years till the next review, so where does the 10 years come from? Mr. MacDonald: Good evening. Hugh MacDonald, Edmonton- Gold Bar. Ms Blakeman: I didn’t bring my copy of the act. My understand- ing was it was a 10-year review. Mr. Quest: Good evening. Dave Quest, Strathcona. Mr. Marz: It was my understanding that we would probably be Mr. Blackett: Good evening. Lindsay Blackett, Calgary-North West. doing it in five years. Dr. Brown: I’m Neil Brown, the MLA for Calgary-Nose Hill. Dr. Massolin: Mr. Chair, I can assist with this. Mrs. Sawchuk: Karen Sawchuk, committee clerk. The Chair: Dr. Massolin. Mr. Hinman: Paul Hinman, MLA for Calgary-Glenmore, via Dr. Massolin: Yes. Section 21 of the Lobbyists Act says, “Within conference call. 2 years after this Act comes into force and every 5 years after that, The Chair: Thank you, Mr. Hinman. a special committee established by the Legislative Assembly shall begin a comprehensive review of this Act” and so forth. Ms Notley: Rachel Notley, Edmonton-Strathcona. Ms Blakeman: Was the FOIP Act 10 years? I think it’s 10 next The Chair: Thank you very much. time. We have before us the agenda for this meeting tonight. Would Thank you for the correction, then. It’s not 10 years. If I could someone be prepared to move the agenda? Moved by Mr. Quest ask that that be amended. It’s not 10 years; it’ll be five. that the October 26, 2011, agenda of the Standing Committee on Leg. Offices be adopted as circulated. Any amendments to the Mr. Marz: Is five in there? Okay. Thanks very much. agenda? Seeing none, all in favour? Opposed? That’s carried. The Chair: Well, it’s actually seven because you have it written Is someone prepared to move the adoption of the minutes of the as seven years since the implementation of the Lobbyists Act. So last meeting? Moved by Mr. Lindsay that the minutes of the it would be seven years, right? October 18, 2011, meeting of the Standing Committee on Leg. Offices be adopted as circulated. Any errors or omissions? Seeing Ms Blakeman: Yup. Thank you. none, all in favour? Opposed? That’s carried. We’re here for consideration of the draft final report of the The Chair: Any other questions? Mr. MacDonald. Lobbyists Act. At our last meeting we had some extensive deliberations regarding the Lobbyists Act, and based on those Mr. MacDonald: Yes. Well, Ms Blakeman, I would just like to discussions, our support staff have prepared a draft final report for thank you. I know you were busy, and it was on short notice, but I our review. appreciated reading that. Dr. Massolin, could you please give us a brief overview of the Ms Blakeman: Well, I’m pleased I could give you pleasure in report before I open the floor for discussion? reading my report. LO-344 Legislative Offices October 26, 2011 Mr. MacDonald: That’s good. Ms Notley: Yes. I just also wanted to get on the record to thank Mr. Chairman, I don’t know if this is an appropriate time, but I Ms Blakeman for her work in consolidating our collective have another question for the committee if that’s okay. resolutions into the minority report that she took the lead in writing. Much appreciated. The Chair: Okay. Ms Blakeman: No problem. Mr. MacDonald: The exemptions from the Lobbyists Act: I thought I would have a look and see which agencies, boards, and The Chair: Any other comments? commissions were exempted if there was a list somewhere. With If not, are you ready for a motion regarding the report? my research skills I cannot find it. I do know that an outfit like AIMCo, for instance, is exempt from the Lobbyists Act. I’m Mr. Marz: I would move approval of the motion prepared. wondering – I know it’s not reasonable to suggest this evening – if The Chair: We’ve had one minor change on there. Moved by Mr. at some point in the next couple of weeks I could get a list of all Marz that government agencies, boards, and commissions, please, that are the Standing Committee on Leg. Offices authorize the chair to exempt from the Lobbyists Act. finalize the committee’s report on the Lobbyists Act review Dr. Massolin: It’s in the regulation. based on the discussions held here today at the October 26, 2011, committee meeting as corrected in the minority report. Mr. MacDonald: Which regulation, if you don’t mind? Any discussion on that motion? Seeing none, all in favour? Opposed? That motion is carried. Dr. Massolin: This is the Lobbyists Act general regulation. I All right. I guess now that the committee has approved the final believe it’s schedules 1, 2, and 3 of the regulation that you’re report, I’ll endeavour to have it tabled in the Assembly shortly looking for. after we resume sitting. As I noted, the minority report, for the record, is attached to the report. Mr. MacDonald: Okay. I’ll find it, then. In addition, it’s been common practice for the LAO communi- cations staff to work with the chair to organize appropriate media Ms Neatby: There are three schedules to the regulation. Schedule releases in conjunction with the release of the committee’s final 1 contains the provincial entities that are prescribed for the report. If there are no objections, I’d like to ask for a motion by the purposes of the act, schedule 2 lists the provincial entities that are committee to authorize this. Moved by Mr. Quest that not prescribed provincial entities for the purposes of the act, and the Legislative Assembly Office communications services work schedule 3 lists members of provincial entities to whom the act with the chair of the Standing Committee on Leg.