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22 January 1986 497 OFFICIAL REPORT of PROCEEDINGS HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL—22 January 1986 497 OFFICIAL REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 22 January 1986 The Council met at half-past Two o'clock PRESENT HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (PRESIDENT) SIR EDWARD YOUDE, G.C.M.G., M.B.E. THE HONOURABLE THE CHIEF SECRETARY SIR DAVID AKERS-JONES, K.B.E., C.M.G., J.P. THE HONOURABLE THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY SIR JOHN HENRY BREMRIDGE, K.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MR. MICHAEL DAVID THOMAS, C.M.G., Q.C. THE HONOURABLE LYDIA DUNN, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEN SHOU-LUN, C.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PETER C. WONG, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ERIC PETER HO, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRADE AND INDUSTRY DR. THE HONOURABLE HO KAM-FAI, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALLEN LEE PENG-FEI, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE HU FA-KUANG, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG PO-YAN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE DONALD LIAO POON-HUAI, C.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-CHUEN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG YAN-LUNG, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS. SELINA CHOW LIANG SHUK-YEE, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARIA TAM WAI-CHU, O.B.E., J.P. DR. THE HONOURABLE HENRIETTA IP MAN-HING THE HONOURABLE CHAN YING-LUN THE HONOURABLE MRS. RITA FAN HSU LAI-TAI THE HONOURABLE MRS. PAULINE NG CHOW MAY-LIN THE HONOURABLE YEUNG PO-KWAN, C.P.M. THE HONOURABLE JAMES NEIL HENDERSON, O.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION AND MANPOWER THE HONOURABLE KIM CHAM YAU-SUM, J.P. THE HONOURABLE JOHN WALTER CHAMBERS, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE THE HONOURABLE IAN FRANCIS CLUNY MACPHERSON, O.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT THE HONOURABLE JACKIE CHAN CHAI-KEUNG 498 HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL—22 January 1986 THE HONOURABLE CHENG HON-KWAN THE HONOURABLE HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, C.B.E., J.P. DR. THE HONOURABLE CHIU HIN-KWONG THE HONOURABLE CHUNG PUI-LAM THE HONOURABLE HO SAI-CHU, M.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI YIN-FAT THE HONOURABLE RICHARD LAI SUNG-LUNG DR. THE HONOURABLE CONRAD LAM KUI-SHING THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LEE CHU-MING, Q.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEE YU-TAI THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LIU LIT-FOR, J.P. THE HONOURABLE NGAI SHIU-KIT, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PANG CHUN-HOI, M.B.E. THE HONOURABLE POON CHI-FAI PROF. THE HONOURABLE POON CHUNG-KWONG THE HONOURABLE HELMUT SOHMEN THE HONOURABLE SZETO WAH THE HONOURABLE TAI CHIN-WAH THE HONOURABLE MRS. ROSANNA TAM WONG YICK-MING THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG DR. THE HONOURABLE DANIEL TSE CHI-WAI, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WONG WANG-FAT THE HONOURABLE HAIDER HATIM TYEBJEE BARMA, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HOUSING (Acting) THE HONOURABLE JOHN RAWLING TODD, C.V.O., O.B.E., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LANDS AND WORKS (Acting) ABSENT THE HONOURABLE JOHN JOSEPH SWAINE, O.B.E., Q.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEPHEN CHEONG KAM-CHUEN, O.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PETER POON WING-CHEUNG, M.B.E., J.P. THE HONOURABLE THOMAS CLYDESDALE THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, M.B.E., J.P. IN ATTENDANCE THE CLERK TO THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL MR. LAW KAM-SANG HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL—22 January 1986 499 Papers The following papers were laid pursuant to Standing Order 14(2): Subject L.N. No. Subsidiary Legislation: Matrimonial Causes Ordinance. Matrimonial Causes (Amendment) Rules 1986 .............................................................. 6 Securities Ordinance. Securities (Specification of Approved Assets, Liquid Assets and Ranking Liabilities) Notice 1986...................................................................................................................... 7 Securities Ordinance. Securities (Stock Exchange Listing) Rules 1986 ............................................................ 8 Securities Ordinance. Securities (Stock Exchange Listing) (Amendment) Rules 1986..................................... 9 Sessional Papers 1985-86: No. 32—Correctional Services Department Welfare Fund—Income and Expenditure Account with Balance Sheet and Certificate of the Director of Audit for the year ending 31 March 1985. No. 33—Urban Council—Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for the year ending 31 March 1987. No. 34—Hong Kong Trade Development Council—Annual Report and Accounts 1984-85. Oral answers to questions Employment for dental graduates 1. MR. LEE YU-TAI asked: Will the Administration inform this Council of the job situation of the first batch of locally trained dental surgery graduates, and how is the enrolment programme of the dental school adjusted in relation to the projected demand for dental surgeons in the next few years? SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Sir, the first batch of dental graduates from the University of Hong Kong finished their studies early in 1985. According to a survey conducted by the Appointments Service of the university, by May 1985 all of the first 59 graduates had found employment either in the private sector, the Government service, or the University Dental Faculty. 500 HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL—22 January 1986 The annual intake into the dental school was reduced from 76 to 60 in 1984, largely because the wastage rate proved to be lower than expected. No further adjustment is proposed for the present but the situation will be closely monitored, and consideration will be given to reducing the intake if this appears to be appropriate. MR. LEE YU-TAI: Sir, would Government consider application of more stringent conditions on the registration of dentists who are trained outside Hong Kong so as to give better career opportunities to locally trained dental surgery graduates? SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Sir, this is one possible way of dealing with the problem if and when it arises but I would not like to anticipate the views of the Dental Council in considering this possibility. MR. MARTIN LEE: Sir, has the Administration got any programme for the promotion of dental health to the public? SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Sir, the 1973-74 White Paper on Medical Services considered the question of whether there should be a general dental service in Hong Kong on a scale comparable to the medical services provided by the Government and concluded that this would be an extremely costly development which was beyond the Government's ability to finance at that time. The position, Sir, I think, is still very similar to what it was in 1974. DR. LAM (in Cantonese): Sir, I have two questions. First of all, is the cost of training 76 dental students any different from training 60? Secondly, since we have more and more dental graduates can the Government consider revising its policy on this matter so that patients in subvented hospitals may also receive appropriate dental treatment, like the patients in Government hospitals? SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Sir, I don't have any exact figures about the costs of training this smaller number but I am almost certain that it would be somewhat more expensive to train a smaller number simply because the number of staff in the hospital could not be reduced proportionately. As far as the second question is concerned I think in my first supplementary I said that the Government was not envisaging at this stage developing a public dental service and of course treatment in subvented hospitals would be part of such a public dental service. Waiting time at Lo Wu border crossing 2. MR. CHEONG-LEEN asked: Since the estimated annual Lo Wu border crossing for passenger is estimated to increase from 14.4 million in 1984-85 to 20.2 million in 1985-86, what special arrangements can be made to reduce the waiting time at peak hours (which is currently one hour at peak time and one and a half hours HONG KONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL—22 January 1986 501 during festival periods) bearing in mind that the situation is likely to worsen since the 1986- 87 estimated figure would rise to 26 million, and such situation will not improve substantially until 1987 when the new terminal will be completed? ATTORNEY GENERAL: Sir, the long waiting times at Lo Wu are due to a shortage of space on the one hand and a steep increase in the number of passengers on the other. There can be no dramatic improvement until the new terminal at Lo Wu has been completed and properly staffed. Meanwhile the Immigration Department is doing its best in difficult circumstances. During peak times and festival periods it adopts the following special arrangements to reduce the waiting time— First, it deploys staff from other duties to Lo Wu to man 14 temporary clearance counters in addition to the 35 regular counters; Second, re-entry permit holders who do not have to complete arrival and departure cards and therefore require less processing time than passengers travelling on other documents are segregated and directed to special counters for clearance; Third, the control point operates from 3 am to 10.30 pm during the busiest periods; and Fourth, an additional fourth through train from Kowloon to Canton and extra express trains to Lo Wu are run. Passengers travelling on all these trains are processed at Kowloon Station, thus helping to relieve the congestion at Lo Wu. Sir, all these measures were adopted in the last festival period from 21 December 1985 to 2 January 1986 and proved to be reasonably effective. A survey of the passenger waiting time during that period showed that for 90 per cent of the time passengers had to wait for less than 30 minutes even though there were 23 per cent more passengers than at the same time last year.
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