Conroy Maddox Interviewed by Robin Dutt
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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES ARTISTS’ LIVES Conroy Maddox Interviewed by Robin Dutt C466/68 This transcript is copyright of the British Library Board. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] This transcript is accessible via the British Library’s Archival Sound Recordings website. Visit http://sounds.bl.uk for further information about the interview. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk IMPORTANT Access to this interview and transcript is for private research only. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. 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Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators ( [email protected] ) © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C466/66/01-08 Digitised from cassette originals Collection title: Artists’ Lives Interviewee’s surname: Maddox Title: Interviewee’s forename: Conroy Sex: Male Occupation: Dates: b. 27.12.1912 Dates of recording: March 1996, April 1996, October 1997, November 1997, December 1997, March 1998 Location of interview: Interviewee’s home, London Name of interviewer: Robin Dutt Type of recorder: Marantz CP430 and two lapel mics Recording format: TDK C60 Cassettes F numbers of playback cassettes: F6302-6307; F6851 Total no. of digitised tracks : 15 Mono or stereo: Stereo Additional material at the British Library : Copyright/Clearance: Full clearance. © The British Library Interviewer’s comments: © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Conroy Maddox C466/66/01 F6321A Page 1 F6321 Side A Interview with Conroy Maddox on March the 21 st 1996 at his home in London. Conroy, tell me, do you have an earliest memory? I have many early memories, it depends on which one you would like first. Which is the very earliest? Well, I suppose it goes back to when I was born. Which was when? In December the 27 th 1912. And, my...of course this was sort of the beginning of the First world War in a way, you know, on the edge of it, and I think my father was in the Territorial Army, which meant he was free until he was called up, and his work was, he was a fruit farmer, and he had fields dotted around the area. Ledbury is a small market town in Herefordshire, we lived about half a mile away from the centre, in a very large house. But his other great obsession was collecting, collecting, which meant that he would go to these country sales around, and very often in his car, he had an old Buick, one of the first of the American cars around there, and he would come back loaded up with stuff. The house, much to the horror of my mother I think, began to look like a museum, you know, there were suits of armour, there were assegais, there were pistols and pouches, everything like this, even pianolas would turn up, it was quite extraordinary. So I think really, in spite of his farming interests, collecting was his great obsession. And that’s your earliest memory, being surrounded by things? Absolutely, yes. But, can we go back a little bit? Before that, that was your childhood but, you were brought up in a farming environment I suppose. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Conroy Maddox C466/66/01 F6321A Page 2 Yes very much so. But what about your grandparents? Because now we’re really going back to, shall we say the mid to late Victorian age really. Yes, they must, they were born in the last century of course. They lived at Pershore. Which, the maternal or the paternal? My mother’s parents. My father’s parents were in Ledbury itself. And what did they do, what did the grandparents do, on both sides? Well, on both sides. My grandfather in Pershore, which was my mother’s father, he was something to do with income tax, he had...they had a house called Whitcroft[ph], which was just away from the centre of the town, another large house with fields and fruit farming and, you know, plums and apples and gooseberries and everything else. And he had attached to the house an extension as it were, which was an office for him, because he did income tax and things like that. We regularly, as we got a bit older, we would go over there for Christmas and various events and birthdays and so on. As for my father’s side, my father had a seed merchants business in Ledbury, which I believe now is Woolworths, next to the town hall, and he was a member of the, what do you call this organisation? Union, or...? No. No. It was...they have a symbol. Freemasons, he was involved with the Freemasons. A big man, who limped, ever since I can remember he limped from some wound or other. And his wife was just there, you know, I don’t know what she did, if anything of course. I think wives in those days very much did all the cooking and running the kitchens, you know. But, my parents, it’s interesting you know, my mother, who was a family of about eleven, she left Pershore and came to work in a business, a shop I © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Conroy Maddox C466/66/01 F6321A Page 3 believe, in Ledbury, and my father met her there, and they got married. And she was very small you know, she was very short. And when did they get married? Oh, well, since I was born in 1912 I imagine probably a year or two prior to that, I should think, because it was a favourite thing of having children pretty soon after you were married. Still is I believe. So I think it was probably in 1910, 1911, somewhere around that. A year later my sister was born, which was one year and two days later. Any other siblings? No, no others at all. And of course I remember distinctly when the war broke out, I was still young, I was only probably two or three or something like that, my father was called up and my mother was left looking after us. What was your sister’s name? Her name is, well oddly enough her name is Joan, but, she was frightened of spiders, and I nicknamed her Muff, and Muff stuck for many many years, and I can still, when I speak to her I sometimes think, no I mustn’t call her Muff any more, you know. But, and she’s still around of course, she’s living in Kenilworth at the moment, and I know when I have my birthday, whether it’s 80 like it was this, last year, 83, she’s 82, plus two days. Tell me about your family life as far as, your perception of it as a young boy growing up in Ledbury. I mean, one would presume that at that time it was much more countrified than now, certainly, a slice of old England in a way. Mm, very much I think. A great cattle market there of course every Wednesday I believe, so that market area was full of people. They would have the usual yearly festival as it were with stalls and roundabouts turning up on the common land. And, apart from this aspect of my father who would, always had his fruit farming and things, he had horses of course, hay fields to feed the horses, in fact I have a scar on © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Conroy Maddox C466/66/01 F6321A Page 4 my cheek still from one of them throwing me. I went over the fence, the horse didn’t, you know. But, otherwise I think...I think we both had a very, quite a happy life, you know, when we were young. So this was, once again, it was about 1912/13/14, something like this. That’s right. What in particular can you remember about England of those pre-war years? Well politically, I was not conscious of things, except my mother was a staunch Conservative, and my father was a Liberal, and whenever there was an elections coming up they wouldn’t speak to each other for weeks, it was quite extraordinary. And so there was a sort of thing going on in the house, but we just, it just flowed over the top of us, you know, we... But you were certainly aware of some tension? Of course, yes. Which is beyond a minor tiff? Absolutely. And they were so passionate, because they were really very politically aware, or simply that this was an issue and they took sides, just as if they might have taken sides over a taste of wallpaper or paint for the house, or...? Yes, I think it was a little more intense than that of course. Of course another thing my father had was, he was really a complete atheist you know, and I remember one occasion very well, and of course I was a bit older then you see, of, you know the local priest would always go round, always come round about tea time, hoping for a cup of tea and piece of cake, and he said to my mother once afterwards, she would talk to him at the door, he said, ‘We don’t want any more of these black beetles in the © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Conroy Maddox C466/66/01 F6321A Page 5 house, we’ve got enough as it is,’ you know.