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And the Good News Is … : a Conversation with Former White House Press Secretaries Dana Perino and Mike Mccurry AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE AND THE GOOD NEWS IS … : A CONVERSATION WITH FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARIES DANA PERINO AND MIKE MCCURRY INTRODUCTION: ARTHUR BROOKS, AEI CONVERSATION: MIKE MCCURRY, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY UNDER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON DANA PERINO, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH 1:00 PM – 2:00 PM THURSDAY, APRIL 23, 2015 EVENT PAGE: http://www.aei.org/events/and-the-good-news-is-a-conversation- with-former-white-house-press-secretaries-dana-perino-and-mike-mccurry-book- forum/ TRANSCRIPT PROVIDED BY DC TRANSCRIPTION – WWW.DCTMR.COM ARTHUR BROOKS: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I’m Arthur Brooks, president of the American Enterprise Institute, and I’m delighted to welcome you to this afternoon’s wonderful event, a book event featuring Dana Perino with her new book, “The Good News Is...” and you’re going to find out the answer how that finishes. It’s a conversation with Dana Perino and Mike McCurry, two of the most prominent White House press secretaries of the past decades. Dana Perino, as most of you know, today is the co-host of the wonderful Fox News Channel show “The Five,” which if you’re not watching it, you should be. (Applause.) She served for seven years in the administration of former President George W. Bush and in several capacities, including becoming the first Republican woman to be the White House press secretary. Mike McCurry is a principal at Public Strategies here in Washington, D.C. He has three decades of experience in Washington. He served in the White House as press secretary to former President Bill Clinton from 1995 through 1998 – tumultuous years to be sure. Be we won’t be focusing on that. We’ll be focusing on Dana’s book. (Laughter.) MIKE MCCURRY: Thank the Lord. MR. BROOKS: We have a lot to talk about. We’re going to get right to it with them. I’d like you to note that here at AEI, we’re just delighted to have both of them from all perspectives. And once again, this is an example of a kind of conversation that is bipartisan, post-partisan in all kinds of important ways is what we pride ourselves on being able to provide. Please join the conversation if you’re following on social media or participating in it at #AEIGoodNews. And with that, I’ll turn it over to Dana Perino and Mike McCurry. DANA PERINO: Thank you. MR. MCCURRY: Great. Dana, I get to grill you. It feels like old times. It’s going to be a lot of fun. You know, there have been a lot of press secretary books written. Before I took the job, I read Jody Powell’s book, “The Other Side of the Story” and Marlin Fitzwater’s great book – MS. PERINO: Love Marlin’s. MR. MCCURRY: – “Call the Briefing.” Your predecessor Ari Fleischer went on and wrote one; so did your other predecessor, Scott McClellan. We may get into that a little bit later. But you’ve written an entirely different kind of book here. This is not – these other books usually go into the ins and outs of the relationship between the presidency and the press. They’ve got stories and war stories and things like that. But you’ve done something really remarkable because it’s a personal story. It’s a memoir. It’s also some fascinating stuff that I don’t think we’ve ever heard about George Bush before – some very, very private moments. And I’m going to ask you a little bit about that. But then, you’ve got this great stuff at the end, really advice for young people who may want to come and work in Washington or what should they know (or ?) go on and have the kind of career that you had. So frame the book for us. How did you end up writing a book like that? How did you get the idea? Tell us a little bit about the process. MS. PERINO: Well, first, thank you, Mike, and thanks to everybody for coming. It’s a little bit like a reunion of sorts. I’ve lived in New York for almost four years now, and I like coming back to Washington because I just feel like I belong here. New York, I feel a little out of place. And to have Mike, who came – and he doesn’t have any free time, but for you to make time to come to this is great. He and I have done some events together over the years and they’re always great. And we have such a – we have a bond. I think all the former press secretaries do because there’s few of us who understand what it’s really like to get up and to take those questions. And I just remember one thing in particular, just to take you to a trip down memory lane, we won’t say what the subject was. But I remember watching Mike McCurry and being saw in awe of that job and the job you were doing and the pressure you were under. And I was watching on C-SPAN one day. You were doing a briefing. And they were giving you a hard time asking you a million questions that you weren’t able to comment on. And you finally said the best line that I’ve always remembered. You said, look folks, I’m double-parked in a no comment zone. (Laughter.) And that kind of charm and self-deprecation would actually be the best way to disarm a reporter to let you off the hook. MR. MCCURRY: Now, when you – you were cool as a cucumber at the podium always, but you had a little trick. When you got – when you were – when they were asking you things that were really getting you a little testy, do you want to share with the audience what that was? MS. PERINO: Yeah, so to answer your first question, which is how did this book come about – MR. MCCURRY: Yeah, so let’s do that. MS. PERINO: – but I – (laughter) – I’m going to clip it, though. I will explain the story because – MR. MCCURRY: Before we get to the zesty stuff. MS. PERINO: Yes. Well, I’m going to start there and I’ll go back and say why this happened. So in writing the book, I realized like, so why would anyone even bother reading it? And if I was only going to write one book, which is what I think this is, the one book I was going to write was going to have to be like my best writing, if I could write something longer than a press release, which I really hadn’t done. And it had to be candid and honest and there had to be some interest. And I thought, well, what do I have to lose at this point? I’m never going to be the White House press secretary again. So – and definitely not after this story. So yes, I looked very calm on the podium, a lot of press secretaries do and inside you’re churning like a duck, right underneath, paddling. And there was times during the Bush administration where we had some tough press days. You’re supposed to laugh because – (laughter) – every day was really hard. And I also found out that because of my poor decision-making about allowing cameras into the briefing room, which was inevitable – I jest, but the cameras in the briefing room did change the whole tenor of the whole job. But how do reporters get on TV? So they have to like have some sort of dramatic moment and they have to basically show off in front of the cameras. So there was one guy in particular who used to peacock around a lot. (Laughter.) And I would just sit there and look at him and one of the things I would always think to myself is if President Bush were watching me right now, if he was listening to me, would he be proud of what I was going to say? And if the answer was no, then I did not say it. But there were times when sometimes I just reached under the podium on a shelf with my hand holding my water and I’d flip them the bird. (Laughter.) Did you ever do that? MR. MCCURRY: I – (laughter) – MS. PERINO: It was like – it was like liquid courage without the beer. MR. MCCURRY: My thing – my wife used to say, when I would start rubbing my nose like that, she knew I was really, really angry. Like, you know, but the idea – MS. PERINO: That’s a Fox – (Cross talk.) MR. MCCURRY: – is you can’t let any of that come out. Now, you had had some interesting experiences growing up. It wasn’t like you had not confronted a little danger in life. MS. PERINO: Yeah, for sure. MR. MCCURRY: Rattlesnakes and other things, but – MS. PERINO: Indeed. MR. MCCURRY: – tell us a little bit – MS. PERINO: So the book – this is actually a book that – if you’ve been – (inaudible) – the White House, everybody else had books. So Karl Rove, Laura Bush, President Bush, Condi Rice. I worked on three of those books doing the publicity tour. And that was always my scene, right, I was much a behind the scenes person. And one of the publishers around that time had asked me, well, what about you? Are you going to write a book? And I said, well, no, not really.
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