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The following answers to questions on notice were circulated:

VENETO PROJECT -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 760) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Veneto project: 1. What was the total sum expended on the program? 2. On what date was a budget first set for the program, and what was the total sum allocated for the program? 3. On what dates was the budget altered, indicating in respect of each such alteration - (a) what was the total sum allocated for the program; and (b) who was the most senior officer who authorised the alteration to the budget? 4. What contributions, if any, were made by any other Victorian or Australian government department, instrumentality or agent? 5. What contributions, (if any), were made by any private company or individual? 6. What was the total cost of the gala dinner and fashion parade at Villa Trissino in Vicenza on Wednesday, 11 July 199O? 7. How many inquiries were generated as a result of the program, indicating the names of the parties to each inquiry, which has resulted in - (a) exchange of contracts; (b) joint ventures; (c) investment in Victoria; and (d) any identifiable economic advantage to Victoria? Mr ROPER (Treasurer) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The total sum expended by the department on the program was $888 299.63. After allowing for contributions by other organisations (see paragraphs 4 and 5), the total net expenditure was $814 849.63. 2. A number of estimates for the project were established from August 1989, the first detailed budget for the project was prepared on 19 March 1990. This was for an amount of $374968. 3. The budget was subsequently revised as follows: Date Amount Delegate 19 June 1990 $494343 B. Ferguson, Deputy Director-General 4 July 1990 $650 000 B Ferguson, Deputy Director-General 4. Contributions by other Victorian and Australian government departments, instrumentalities and agents were: Ministry for the Arts $4 500 Ministry for Ethnic Affairs $15 000 Victorian Tourism Commission $20000 Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce $25 000 Melbourne City Council $3 950 The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission contributed the services of the Bwung-gul Aboriginal Culture Group of dancers. 5. Private contributions to the project were received from many sources; in particular the Italo-Australian community by way of their input to the steering committee and its planning for the week. Typical of this assistance was the cash contribution of $5000 by the Barro Group, while other individuals contributed in kind by absorbing their own costs while making arrangements for the project. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In addition the Veneto Region, particularly through the Vicenza Chamber of Commerce, also provided significant resources and assistance by way of: A planning visit by the President of the Vicenza Chamber of Commerce to Victoria in February 1990. Funding of a commercial secretariat in Vicenza to plan and coordinate the cultural and commercial requirements of the Victorians. Funding of all the cultural venues and supply of equipment required by the Victorian performers. The provision of venues for the commercial program. The provision of accommodation at no cost to all the cultural performers. The provision of transport to the cultural performers to and from their performances. The provision at no charge of business facilities for the administration of the week for the Victorian delegation. Funding of the significant publicity program in the Veneto which promoted both the cultural and commercial components of the project. 6. The cost of the fashion promotion was $61 167.21. The dinner attended by 500 senior industrialists and dignitaries from the Veneto Region cost $52 115.57. 7. During the course of the week approximately 100 appointments were arranged for the 38 business participants. These appointments were with their Italian counterparts to discuss both trade and investment projects. So far four of the mission members have made return visits to Italy to progress and in some cases conclude their negotiations and commercial contracts, while others are still in the progress of negotiation. In this regard the Agent-Genera1's office in London is providing a follow-up service on behalf of the Victorian firms to call on the Italian contacts that were made. So far two such visits have been made to Italy, during which calls were made on the Italian principals who are still in negotiation, as well as other Italian firms that have an interest in developing strategic partnerships in Victoria. Details of these visits, negotiations and calls have been provided "in confidence" to the department and must be protected to recognise the commercial sensitivities of the parties involved.

SUPERANNUATION - GOVERNMENT PAYMENTS

(Question No. 866) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Treasurer: In respect of non-payment or deferred payments by the government to the State Superannuation Board: 1. Whether any agreement has been reached with the board's trustees, indicating - (a) the rate of interest to be paid on any outstanding amounts; (b) the time frame set for repayment; and (c) the amount outstanding as at 31 January 1991? 2. What is the estimated loss of interest to the State Superannuation Fund? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. Under the revised scheme (1988) the State Superannuation Board pays all lump sums and is reimbursed by the government for the employer's share of the pension as if no commutation of pension to lump sum had taken place. In respect of this deferred payment liability, which is included with other unfunded employee entitlements in the State balance sheet: (a) the rate of interest on such outstandings is set by legislation at CPI plus 6 per cent; (b) the time frame for repayment in the case of each deferral is the lifetime of the pensioner and/or spouse; (c) the net present value at 30.6.1991 of the stream of future payments in respect of lump sums taken was $1.2 billion. 2. Nil. For the year ended 30.6.1991 the following interest rates were recorded: CPI plus 6 per cent 9.4 per cent State Superannuation Fund investments 8.1 percent Average of major Victorian public sector superannuation funds investments 9.2 per cent QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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CROATIAN, SERBO-CROATIAN AND SERBIAN LANGUAGE CENTRE

(Question No. 912) Mr PERRIN (Bulleen) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: As at 28 February 1991 which schools had language classes for Croatian, Serbo-Croatian, and Serbian, respectively, indicating how many students were enrolled in each class in each school? Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer is: Croatian: Croatian is taught in two government primary schools and one Catholic primary school, in one government secondary college and in six centres of the Victorian School of Languages (VSL). Students enrolled in each class in each school are as follows:

School Year level No .of Students

Bell Park North Primary School Prep 5 1 23 2 20 3 25 4 31 5 25 6 9 Total 138

Norlane West Primary School Prep 3 1 5 2 42 3 49 4 49 5 32 6 5 Total 185

Holy Family, Bell Park Prep 14 1 13 2 16 3 14 4 15 5 14 6 11 Total 97

Victorian School of Languages: Altona North High School Centre 7-8 13 9-10 15 11-12 11

Dandenong High School Centre 7-8 13 9-10 17 11 12 12 20 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Kings Park Secondary College Centre 8 19 9 15 10 10 11-12 20

North Geelong High School Centre 7 25 8 17 9 15 10 18 11 29 12 25

Maribymong High School Centre 7 15 8 25 9 31 10 30 11 20 12 35

University High School Centre 7-8 21 9-10 26 11 15 12 21 Total 533

Serbian: Serbian is taught in two government primary schools and in four centres of the Victorian School of Languages. Students enrolled in each class in each school are as follows:

School Year Level No .of Students

Spotswood. Primary School Prep 28 1 28 2 26 3 30 4 17 5 18 6 29 Total 176

St Albans Primary School Prep 16 1 24 2 25 3 12 4 13 5 21 6 16 Total 127 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Victorian School of Languages: Dandenong High School Centre 4-6 22 7-10 28 11-12 22

North Geelong High School Centre 4-12 15

Maribymong High School Centre 7-10 15 11-12 7

University High School Centre 7-11 13 12 15 Total 147

Serbo-Croatian:

One government secondary college offers Serbo-Croatian to a mixed class of Serbian Croatian, and Macedonian background students:

Footscray Girls Secondary College 9-10 15 Total 15

R. FOWLER CONSULTANCY -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 960) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Richard Fowler for the department to assist motel lessees experiencing financial and related difficulties operating their businesses and requiring specialist advice: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. What are the qualifications of the consultant? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for the consultant? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant? 7. Whether the consultant has been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 10. Whether the consultant has made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations have been made? 11. Whether the consultant has produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Commencement date was October 1989. 2. Original planned duration of consultancy was October 1989 to end of January 1990. 3. The consultancy was extended to July 1990. The consultancy was extended due to the demand for assistance from moteliers. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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The extension was approved by the General Manager, Small Business Development Corporation, following approval from the then Minister for Industry and Economic Planning. 4. Qualifications of consultant Fellow of the Australian Society of Accountants (Senior Cost and Management Accounting) Certified Practising Accountant Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Secretaries Specialisation in corporate financial analysis Extensive experience in business management Demonstrated skills in financial counselling. 5. This information is not able to be provided without the consent of the consultant. 6. Thirty lessees of motels were contacted. 7. Dates and payments: 16.10.89 $6847.30 03.11.89 $2719.48 20.12.89 $3430.81 09.04.90 $2168.95 15.06.90 $ 583.05 29.06.90 $ 731.25 12.07.90 $ 506.25 31.08.90 $ 600.95 8. The terms of the consultancy were to provide specialist counselling services to motel lessees experiencing financial and related difficulties in operating their business. 9. No alterations were made to the consultancy. 10. The consultant provided findings on each individual motel relating to commercial-in-confidence financial information. 11. Reports were produced in relation to each individual motel contacted containing commercial-in-confidence financial information and assessment. Reports were produced following individual interviews with motel lessees.

INVESTMENT BRIEFING VISIT -MANUFAcruRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 963) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in the Investment Briefing Visit to the West Coast of the United States of America in May 1991: 1. What are the names of the departmental officers and consultants who participated in the Investment Briefing Visit? 2. What was the total sum - (a) expended on the exhibit; and (b) allocated for the exhibit? 3. What were the respective costs of airfares, accommodation, meals and expenses of the officers involved in the visit? 4. Whether any survey was conducted to identify potential investors in the food processing, biotechnology, information technology or waste management sectors; if so, which sectors? 5. How many potential investors were identified as a result of the visit, indicating the names of the investors? 6. Whether any parties have made inquiries which have resulted in - (a) an exchange of contracts; (b) identification of any (and what) increased investment potential; (c) any joint venture to pursue investment opportunities; and (d) any identifiable economic advantage for the State of Victoria; indicating the name of each party? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Participants were Albert Nelson, Executive Director, Victorian Government Business Office Los Angeles, and Bruce Mapperson, Acting General Manager, North America, Office of Trade and Investment. 2. The visit did not include participation in a trade show. There was consequently no expenditure on an exhibit. 3. Costs involved: Airfares $6260.15 Accommodation $3538.35 Meals and expenses $1792.41 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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4. A survey of the four industry sectors was undertaken to provide a brief overview of the sectors and to identify firms with a potential interest in investment or strategic partnering in Victoria. The VGBO Los Angeles commissioned AUSTRADE to do the survey, which was completed in March 1991. 5 & 6. Contact was made during the visit with companies identified in the prior survey and continuing contact has been maintained. As Victoria was being presented to these companies generally for the first time, it is too early to expect direct outcome at this stage.

ENVITEC WASTE MANAGEMENT - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 964) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in Envitec Waste Management to be held in Dusseldorf in June 1992: 1. What is the total Victorian budget for Envitec Waste Management? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in Envitec Waste Management? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend Envitec Waste Management? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in Envitec Waste Management, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations that declined to participate in Envitec Waste Management? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Consideration is being given to having a Victorian presence at the Envitec '92 Waste Management trade fair in Dusseldorf. A tentative budget of $45 000 has been set aside for this event. 2. The government has not made or promised any monetary contribution to any firms in relation to participation in Envitec '92. Victorian government participation in this event is currently at the preliminary planning stage. As such, appropriate Victorian companies, firms and organisations will be contacted in relation to this event at a later date. 3. Not applicable; see 2 above. 4. Not applicable; see 2 above. A decision about the form of assistance to be offered to Victorian participants in this event is still to be made. 5. Not applicable; see 2 above.

WEST COAST MISSION - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 965) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in the West Coast Mission to be held in California in April 1992: 1. What is the total budget for the West Coast Mission? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in the West Coast Mission? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend the West Coast Mission? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in the West Coast Mission, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations that declined to participate in the West Coast Mission? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Mr A J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: The West Coast Mission in Apri11992 is still in the early planning stages. No decisions have been made on the final elements of the proposed activity. No monetary contribution nor financial incentives have been agreed and no companies, firms or organisations have yet been invited to participate.

FOODEX FOOD FAIR - MANUFAcruRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 966) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in the Foodex Food Fair to be held in Tokyo in March 1992: 1. What is the total budget for the Foodex Food Fair? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in the Foodex Food Fair? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend the Foodex Food Fair? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in the Foodex Food Fair, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations who declined to participate in the Foodex Food Fair? Mr A J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. $60 000 2. Nil 3. Not yet determined. 4. Not yet determined. 5. Not yet determined.

TELECOMMUNICATION INFORMATION -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 967) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in Telecommunication Information, a technology mission to be held in Germany in March 1992: 1. What is the total budget for Telecommunication Wormation? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in Telecommunication Information? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend Telecommunication Information? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in Telecommunication Information, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations who declined to participate in Telecommunication Information? Mr A J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. A tentative total budget has been set at $4S 000 for a mission to Germany and participation in the CeBIT 92 Telecommunications/IT Trade Fair. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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2. The government has not made or promised any monetary contribution to any firms in relation to participation in CeBIT 92. Victorian government participation in this event is currenJy at the preliminary planning stage. As such, appropriate Victorian companies, firms and organisations will be contacted in relation to this event at a later date. 3. Not applicable; see 2 above. 4. Not applicable; see 2 above. A decision about the form of assistance to be offered to Victorian participants in this event is still to be made. 5. Not applicable; see 2 above.

NOUVETECNOLOGIE 91-MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 968) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in Nouvetecnologie 91, a technology mission to be held in Germany in March 1992: 1. What is the total budget for Nouvetecnologie 91 ? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in Nouvetecnologie 91? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend Nouvetecnologie 91? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in Nouvetecnologie 91, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations who declined to participate in Nouvetecnologie 91? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Nouvetecnolgie 91 is a major technology trade fair in Turin, Italy, 6-10 November 1991, to which the Italian Chamber of Commerce - Melbourne is organising an Australian mission. The Office of Trade and Investment's involvement in the organisation of this mission has been by way of its participation in a steering committee giving advice to the chamber on the recruitment of firms and administration of the mission and assisting in the promotion of the mission. The Office of Trade and Investment is not financially supporting the mission. There is no budget by the Office of Trade and Investment for this event. 2. None. 3. The Italian Chamber of Commerce - Melbourne invited individual companies, firms and organisations to attend Nouvetecnologie 91 and therefore this question should be addressed to the chamber. 4. Not applicable; see 3 above. 5. Not applicable; see 3 above.

DELOITTE ROSS CONSULTANCY -HEALTH

(Question No. 971) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Deloitte Ross Tohrnatsu for the department to undertake two projects for the health system to - (a) examine the financial relationship between Health Department Victoria and publicly funded agencies; and (b) research and provide information on existing delivery structures of health care in operation within Australia and overseas and comment on arrangements which have applicability to Victoria: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 7. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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8. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 9. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 10. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 11. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 12. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: 1. The consultancy by Deloitte Ross Tohmatsu was conducted for the health system review, not for Health Department Victoria. The consultancy commenced following the Treasurer's approval on 7 June 1991. 2. The original planned duration of the consultancy was eight weeks. 3. The consultancy has not been extended. 4. The individual consultants are: James E. Breheny, MBBS, FRACP, FRACMA, AHA Stephen J. Teulan, Bachelor of Commerce Michael Brophy, Bachelor of Economics, Grad. Dip. Management Systems Helen Favelle, Bachelor of Health Administration (Final year), Ass. Dip. Medical Records Administration. Sean Gollogly, Bachelor of Economics, AASA (Prov). Rodney James Jackson, Bachelor of Business (Accounting). 5. This is commercial information and not available for release. 6. The members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy are: Or I. Brand, Chairman, Health System Review. Prof. E. W. Russell, Member, Health System Review. Ms T. Jackson, Member, Health System Review. 7. The consultants have interviewed the following personnel:

Health Department Victoria Mr B. Joyce, Deputy Chief General Manager. Mr J. Hayes, Director, Finance Division. Mr B. Paice, General Manager, Facilities Development. Mr B. Butterworth, Director, Rural Health. Dr S. Duckett, Director, Policy and Planning. Mr P. Axten, Manager, Acute Hospital Development. Mr G. Ortmann, Finance Director, Office of Psychiatric Services. Mr A. Zamurs, Regional Director, Western Metropolitan Region. Or C. Brook, Regional Director, North Eastern Metropolitan Region. Ms J. Spiller, Regional Director, South Eastern Metropolitan Region.

Agencies Mr D. Swift, Director of Finance, Austin Hospital. Mr A. McCarthy, Asst. Exec. Director of Finance, P ANCH. Mr S. Capp, CEO, Frankston Hospital. Mr N. Thane, Acting Finance Director, Royal Melbourne. Ms P. Mathesson, Executive Director, Northcote CHC. Ms M. Drehers, Executive Director, Broadmeadows CHC. Mr J. Ellams, CEO Warragul Hospital. Mr P. Gallagher, Deputy CEO, Warragul Hospital. Ms M. O'Connor, OON, Warragul Hospital. Mr B. Osborne, DMS, Warragul Hospital. Mr R. Bulmer, CEO, Wangaratta Hospital. Mr C. Gibbs, CEO, Mont Park Psychiatric Group. Mr I. Johnston, Finance Director, Bacchus Marsh/Melton District Hospital.

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8. No progress payments have been made to the consultants. 9. The original terms of reference of the consultancy were: (1) to examine the financial relationships between Health Department Victoria and the publicly funded agencies; (2) to research and provide information on existing delivery structures of health care in operation both in Australia and overseas. 10. There has been no alteration to the terms of reference of the consultancy.

11. Recommendations (1) That from 1993 Health Department Victoria introduce casemix funding over a five-year time frame for those hospital services where reliable and credible output measures are available. As refinements offer improvement to the accuracy of output measures for these initially exempt areas, they be incorporated into the process. (2) That Health Department Victoria issue instructions for collection of agency statistics using definitions to allow valid comparison between agencies. Consistent measurement and morbidity coding practice is a necessary prerequisite for casemix funding. (3) That health service agreements form the basis of contracts between Health Department Victoria and agencies for casemix funding, setting agreed outputs to be funded, quality and utilisation criteria and the basis for marginal trading above (or below) these targets. (4) That Health Department Victoria support the implementation of clinical costing systems in agencies to allow accurate costing of outputs and that these costing systems support marginal cost calculations as well as general cost weights. 12. Two reports have been produced: (1) (a) Report to Victorian Health System Review (b) August 1991. (2) (a) Report to Victorian Health System Review (b) October 1991.

COMMUNICATIONS AND RESEARCH CONSULTANCY - CONSUMER AFFAIRS

(Question No. 976) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services, for the Minister for Consumer Affairs: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Communications and Research Institution of Australia for the department relating to forms analysis and design and deliver a training program for public information branch staff in order to improve all public use forms of the Ministry: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 7. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 8. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 9. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 10. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 11. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 12. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Consumer Affairs is: 1. The consultancy with Communication Research Institute of Australia commenced on 16 May 1991. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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2. Twelve months. 3. No. However an extension of the terms of the consultancy was approved by the ERC on 17 October 1991. The extension is to include testing of forms, develop evaluative procedures and document design standards. The extension was approved by the then Acting Director of Consumer Affairs, Mr Glenn Carleton. 4. The individual consultants are: Or Robyn Penman, Research Director, B Corn. (Hon), PhD. Mr David Rogers, Associate Research Officer, B Corn. Ms Louise Scrivener, Research Officer, B Corn. 5. The hourly rate is $196 plus expenses. For visits to Melbourne, the following rates plus 10 per cent administration charge apply: Australian Airlines standard economy return. Accommodation at the following rates: Director Overnight $180 Day $60 Research Assoc. and Assist. Overnight $140 Day $45 Taxis at cost. 6. Supervision of the consultants is by the Assistant Director, Development Division, and the Manager, Public Information Branch. 7. The consultants have held meetings with all relevant Ministry staff, members of the Residential Tenancies Tribunal, staff from the Department of Planning and Housing, Real Estate Institute of Victoria, the Tenants Union of Victoria and the Tenants Advice Network of Victoria. Private and public housing tenants have also participated in testing as part of the forms' development. 8. The following progress payments have been made at November 1991: 6 June 1991 - $23 197.57 22 August 1991 - $19 174.80 19 September 1991- $22 088.60 17 November 1991- $9898.00 9. The terms of the consultancy were to undertake analysis and redesign of the residential tenancies forms in the context of a training program for Public Information Branch staff in order to improve all public use forms of the Ministry. This includes: involvement in the selection of staff; training staff in forms analysis and design; detailing recommendations based on the evaluation of all residential tenancies forms; and establishing a model program for forms development. 10. No alterations have been made to the terms of the consultancy. 11. A preliminary findings report was produced by Communication Research Institute of Australia. The major recommendations from this report were: combining some forms and eliminating others; that new forms be given titles that can be better understood; redesigning the application for a hearing at the tribunal to address applicant error; and developing information to help tenants and landlords to act in accord with their rights and obligations in the manner that the legislation requires. 12. Reports produced by the consultants are: Review of Residential Tenancies Forms - Preliminary Findings, 3 June 1991. Review of Residential Tenancies Forms - Implementing the Recommendations, 20 June 1991.

J. TRINDER CONSULTANCY - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 977) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In respect of a consultancy conducted by J. Trinder of Con-Mend Consulting for the department to examine the impact on Victorian industry of the proposed transfer of RAAF facilities: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so -(a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly /daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 7. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amOlUlts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 10. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 11. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if SO - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. 19 July 1991 2. About six months 3. Duration of consultancy not extended. 4. Air Commodore John Trinder (Ret'd) Chairman (Victoria), Industrial Mobilisation Courses; Executive Director, Defence Manufacturers Association of Australia Ltd. 5. This information is not able to be provided without the consent of the consultant. 6. The persons named as having been interviewed by the consultant were: AVMReed; A VM Collins; AVMRoser; Air Cdr K. Blakers; Gp Capt Makin; Gp Capt Smith; Gp Capt Riding; and the commanding officers of each of the major RAAF schools at Laverton, Point Cook and East Sale. 7. A first and final payment was made to the consultant for $1598 on 9 May 1991. 8. To advise the Minister on proposed and possible transfers into and out of Victoria of RAAF support facilities. The investigation will need to look at the impacts on Victorian industry and employment of these reductions/transfers, to investigate options available to overcome or minimise the impacts, and to propose new strategies to reverse this trend. 9. No. 10. The only formal recommendations were those contained in the consultant's report of January 1991. This was supplied to the honourable member in answer to Fol request No. 1111 of 31 July 1991. 11. Only one fmal report, dated January 1991; this was supplied to the honourable member in answer to Fol request No. 1111 of 31 July 1991.

T. BUDGE CONSULTANCY -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 978) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Trevor Budge and Associates for the department to prepare the Bendigo economic profile report: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 7. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 10. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 11. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced on 18 February 1991. 2. The original planned duration of the consultancy was ten weeks, that is, from 18 February to 26 April 1991. 3. No, the duration of the consultancy was not extended. The consultants submitted the final draft report on 23 April 1991. Final comments were then submitted and the final version of the final draft report was provided by the consultant on 3 June 1991. 4. Trevor Budge, BA, Dip. Ed. Dip. Town &: Reg. Planning; Simon Banfield, Bachelor Town &: Regional Planning (Hons); and Bruce Greenhill, Bachelor Social Science (Socio-environmental Assessment &: Policy). 5. It is not possible to release this information without the permission of the consultancy firm. 6. In line with the consultant's brief, interviews were conducted with or information sought from regional organisations such as chambers of commerce, trade union organisations, councils, Department of Agriculture, water boards, V/Line, and the Bendigo Regional Development Agency. Liaison and consultation with the Bendigo Regional Development Board was also undertaken. 7. Yes, progress payments were paid to the consultant according to the terms of payment as stipulated in the letter of offer. Details of the payments and dates are as follows: Date of Payment Description Amount

11.4.91 10 per cent on completion of $485.00 clarification and detennination of the scope and detail of the required final product. 2.5.91 20 per cent on completion of all $970.00 regional interviews. 2.5.91 30 per cent on completion of the draft $1455.00 report. 6.6.91 40 per cent on completion and $1940.00 acceptance of the final report. 8. As per the consultant's brief (See Attachment 1). 9. No, there were no alterations to the terms of the consultancy. 10. The consultant has submitted the final draft of the report. However, as the Bendigo: Economic Profile report is a factual report, that is, it provides information on the region's topography, physical characteristics, infrastructure, demography, labour force and industrial structure, it does not contain any recommendations. 11. Yes, the consultant has produced the following interim and final reports: Preliminary Draft Report: 26 March 1991 Draft Final Report Version 1: 23 April 1991 Draft Final Report Version 2: 21 May 1991 Draft Final Report Version 3: 3 June 1991 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Attachment 1 DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT'S BRIEF "BENDIGO: ECONOMIC PROFILE" 1. Background In 1988 and 1989 the Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development (then called the Department of Industry, Technology and Resources) co-authored and released a series of economic profile and prospects reports for the regions of Shepparton, Wangaratta, Benalla, Stawell, Maryborough, Portland, Warrnambool and Sunraysia. The decision was then made to expand the series to include Ballarat and Bendigo. Although the Ballarat and Bendigo reports will be part of the series their content differs in that they will contain only the profile part of the report (normally equates to chapters 1 to 6 inclusive) as the prospects part has already been undertaken for these regions under the Commonwealth government's country centres project. During 1990, the department has been preparing an economic profile report for Ballarat (it is planned to be released in early 1991). Initial discussions have also been held with the Bendigo Regional Development Board regarding this report. 2. Proposed outcomes of consultant's brief. The proposed outcome of the consultant's brief is the production of: study report Bendigo: Economic Profile. This report must be highly compatible with the economic profile and prospects report series. The Ballarat: Economic Profile (draft) report provides the most appropriate and relevant model to follow. Consequently, the report must contain the following sections: Contents List of Tables List of Figures List of Maps List of Abbreviations Executive Summary Introduction (Chapter 1) Topography and Physical Characteristics (Chapter 2) Infrastructure (Chapter 3) Demography (Chapter 4) Labour Force (Chapter 5) Industrial Structure (Chapter 6) List of Organisations Consulted Bibliography Maps will also need to be produced. Typically, this includes maps of the region and industrial estates. These need be prepared only to draft level as the art work will be undertaken by the department. Additionally, figures or graphs need to be prepared to visually represent important statistics in chapters 4, 5 and 6. Usually, four or five graphs for each of these chapters are prepared. Like the previous reports, statistics are prepared on a regional basis. The definition of the Bendigo Region is: City of Bendigo Borough of Eaglehawk Shire of Strathfieldsaye Shire of Marong Shire of Huntly. The main users of these reports are businesses, both inside and outside the region, local government, and government departments at the regional, State and Federal levels. Therefore the analysis of the data must be in a highly readable form, with little or no jargon. 3. Assignment It is envisaged the following activities will be required: extraction and analysis of the most recent ABS data, particularly Census, agricultural, retail and manufacturing data; interviews (usually telephone) with regional organisations such as chambers of commerce, trade union organisations, councils, Department of Agriculture, water boards, V/Line, and the Bendigo regional office of the Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development (DMID); extraction and analysis of other data such as Valuer-General's Office data and CES unemployment data; analysis of the Bendigo industrial survey conducted by the Bendigo Regional Development Board; QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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extraction and analysis of any other relevant reports, for example, the Bendigo 2020 Strategy Plan report; and liaison and consultation with the Bendigo Regional Development Board (Executive Officer Mr Bill O'Neil); therefore a number of visits (perhaps two to three) will be required. 4. Information or Services to be Provided to the Consultant The following information will be provided: report on the mineral potential of the Bendigo Region; meteorological information; CES unemployment data; disk copy of the draft Ballllrat: Economic Profile report (this will save valuable time as all the comparative data for non-metropolitan Victoria and Victoria has already been collected; it also provides the format to be followed); results of the Bendigo industrial survey; the Bendigo 2020 Strategy PlIln report; and methodologies for estimating unemployment rates and retail expenditure leakage. 5. Study Reports The consultant is required to prepare five low cost reports at the preliminary and final report stages. At the completion of the report, the computer disc (in ASCII format or as appropriate and agreed to by the department) containing the report is to be provided so thCit typesetting for publication can be undertaken. 6. Study Timetable The timetable for this study is as follows: consultants submit proposals to the department -1 February 1991 consultant commissioned -15 February 1991 preliminary report - 22 March 1991 final report - 26 April 1991 7. Payments to the Consultant Payments to the consultant will be based on one fixed lump sum fee which shall not be exceeded except with written approval from the department. Payment will be made in stages; a substantial proportion of the agreed fee will be paid on acceptance by the department of the final report. 8. Offer of Services The consultant is requested to offer a flXed lump sum fee. Offers of services should not be lengthy documents. However they will be evaluated generally on the following basis: a brief methodology for the project demonstrating an understanding of the assignment; a statement of consultant's experience for similar studies; details of staff proposed; a detailed activity schedule (or work plan) which also indicates which staff will be responsible for which activities; and a detailed time and cost breakdown (this should include details of out-of-pocket or other anticipated expenses) between tearn members. Comments are also requested as to the feasibility in completing this brief within the time frame described in section 6. The indicative budget provision for the brief is in the order of $4000 to $5000 (including all costs). 9. Management of the Study Normal liaison shall be with Elizabeth Sinclair, Project Officer, Business Policy and Planning (telephone No. 412 8494) or, in her absence, Leneane Choong, Project Officer, Business Policy and Planning (telephone No. 4128255). It is anticipated that several meetings will need to be held during the course of the project. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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DAMES AND MOORE-DAVY McKEE CONSULTANCY - MANUFACfURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 986) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Dames and Moore with Davy McKee Pacific for the department relating to a survey to determine potential sites for a major industry park to cater for the development of new energy intensive industries: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 7. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 8. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 9. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 10. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 11. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 12. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Commencement date -4 July 1991. 2. Duration originally planned five months. 3. Consultant requested a two-week extension on duration, due to Coode Island situation, which has made it difficult for Dames and Moore to contact key public sector agencies. Dames and Moore were also called in to carry out environmental work by a company operating at Coode Island. Extension approved by steering committee. 4. Ian Coles, BE(Hons), Chemical, Graduate Diploma Business Administration. Russell Synnot, BSc(Hons), Ph.D. Gary H. Scott, BSc(Hons) Dip. Ed., Bed., PhD. John Robert, B. Eng (Chemical), B. Commerce. Ian Robinson, Fellow Institution of Chemical Engineers, Member Institution of Engineers, Aust. 5. The hourly / daily fee cannot be disclosed without the consent of the consultant. 6. Steering committee members: Ian Alien (DMID) Brian Waters (EPA) Robin Saunders (DP & H) Gwyn Griffiths (Occupational Health and Safety Authority) 7. Consultants have not yet commenced detailed interviews with agencies 8. Consultants have been paid as follows: 26.7.91 $2012.50 22.8.91 $6648.12 9. To identify prospective energy intensive industries for Victoria, to establish acceptable environment criteria for the industries and recommend a prospective site (or sites). 10. No alterations. 11. Consultants have identified industry prospects. 12. An initial draft report has been submitted for the first two of three phases. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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ECONSULT CONSULTANCY - MANUFAcruRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 987) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Econsult (Australia) Pty Ltd for the department to undertake an evaluation of the effectiveness and efficiency for the centre for manufacturing management: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 7. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 8. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 9. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 10. Whether there has been alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 11. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 12. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced on 6 June 1991. 2. The original planned duration of the consultancy was seven weeks, that is, from 6 June 1991 to 22 July 1991. 3. Yes, duration of the consultancy was not extended because the consultants had difficulties in locating former participants of courses conducted by the Centre for Manufacturing Management (CMM). The duration of the consultancy was extended until such time as the consultancy was completed to the satisfaction of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy. The steering committee approved the extension of the consultancy. 4. David Cotterill, BSc. (Econ.), MSc. Susan Murphy, BA, BSw. Claudio Romano, BEc.(Hons) 5. It is not possible to release this information without the permission of the consultancy firm. 6. Project Manager, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development; Project Manager, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development; and Project Officer, Industry Development and Liaison Section, Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce. 7. This information is considered to be commercial in confidence. 8. Yes, progress payments have been made to the consultants according to the terms of payments as stipulated in the consultancy legal agreement. Details of the payments and dates are as follows: Date of Payment Description Amount

20 June 1991 As per clause 1.1 of Schedule 2 $4000 22 August 1991 As per clause 1.2 of Schedule 2 $8000 19 September 1991 As per clause 1.3 of Schedule 2 $4000 30 October 1991 As per clause 1.4 of Schedule 2 $4000 (Final payment) 9. As per the consultant's brief (See Attachment 1). 10. No, there has not been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy as per the consultant's brief. However, the duration of the consultancy has been extended as indicated in the answer to question 3 above. 11. Working papers/progress reports were prepared by the consultants during the course of the review. Elements of these were included in the final report. Findings and recommendations of the review are expected to be released to the public. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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12. (a) As per answer to question 11 above. (b) The final report was submitted to the department on 16 October 1991.

Attachment 1 DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACfURlNG AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT'S BRIEF EVALUATION OF THE CENTRE FOR MANUFACfURlNG MANAGEMENT

INTRODUCTION The establishment of the Centre for Manufacturing Management (CMM), a joint project of the University of Melbourne and the Victorian government, was announced in July 1986 as part of the government's technology statement initiatives. CMM was established to provide a focal point for research and teaching in the management of manufacturing, having particular regard to the management implications of new technology. The Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development (the department) is seeking submissions from selected consulting firms to undertake an evaluation of the effectiveness and efficiency of CMM over the period 1 July 1986 to 30 December 1990.

BACKGROUND CMM Activities These fall into three broad categories, namely: (i) Provision of non-degree courses for managers in manufacturing industries. These course are designed to share the best international practices with Australian managers. The courses are run in conjunction with the University of Melbourne's School of Engineering as well as using expertise from outside the university. The courses are designed to improve specialist manufacturing knowledge as well as the generalist knowledge relevant to manufacturing management. (ii) Provision of manufacturing management content in the MBA course The objective of including manufacturing management in the MBA course is to demonstrate to young profeSSional managers that a managerial career in manufacturing is an attractive option. This course is also intended to give young managers an understanding of the opportunities and problems that occur in the manufacturing industry. (iii) Research and consulting activities The centre carries out research into the developments and problems in manufacturing management. The areas of research include: the formulation of manufacturing strategies; and "micro" research involving the solving of operations problems such as strategic and facility planning, technology development and transfer, productivity, efficiency and cost control in manufacturing organisations. Research is conducted by full-time staff of the centre and by postgraduate students under the supervision of the centre's staff. Results are presented through seminars, working papers and other publications. In addition to basic research, research activities include specific assistance to manufacturing enterprises through the provision of consultancy services. To support all activities of the centre the development of a library of relevant material, as part of the Graduate School of Management library, and the development of Australian case studies for teaching purposes are undertaken. Management of CMM Professor Danny Samson, an internationally recognised authority on manufacturing management, is responsible for the day-to-day management of CMM A consultative committee, with representatives from the tertiary education sector, industry and the department was established to act in an advisory capacity on a range of matters relating to the management, direction and conduct of the centre, including: (i) Development and promotion of CMM as a recognised centre of excellence in the field of education in advanced manufacturing and management of manufacturing activities. (ii) Identification of management problems in the Victorian manufacturing sector and the development of research programs to address those problems. (iii) Identification of the need for specific short course programs of advanced education to meet the needs of managers in the manufacturing sector. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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(iv) Dissemination of research findings to the manufacturing sector and to institutes providing technical education in related fields. (v) Optimum use of the educational resources of the centre and specialist expertise available in other educational and research institutes. (vi) Other matters deemed relevant to the success of the centre, including finance, administration and staffing.

THE EV ALUAnON The evaluation will be confined to the CMM operating between the period July 1986 to December 1990. The scope of the evaluation study is further circumscribed by the issues canvassed by the study's objectives (see below).

OBJECTIVES OF THE EV ALUAnON To what extent has the CMM achieved its objectives? An attempt should be made to identify the extent to which the CMM's objectives (as indicated by the CMM's activities listed on pages 1 and 2 of this brief) have been met. An attempt should also be made to identify outcomes associated with all objectives and how effective or appropriate the CMM's services (course content research and consultancy services) have been in achieving its objectives. How satisfied are the CMM's clients with the courses offered? This should include: an analysis of the means by which the delivery of the CMM's services could be more effective from the clients point of view; the level of client satisfaction with the results of participation in the CMM's program, that is, in meeting the participants' needs; and the relevance and usefulness of the CMM's program to the participants' needs. How effective has the CMM been in marketing and commercialising its courses and consultancy services? This should include: assessing the effectiveness of CMM in its promotional activities; the number of manufacturing management programs and short courses held since its inception; and a breakdown on the number of participating organisations for each program. How successful has the CMM been in achieving its non-quantifiable outcomes? This will include an assessment of how far the CMM has succeeded in: influencing manufacturers and firms to introduce new manufacturing techniques and advanced manufacturing management techniques in the manufacturing sector; enhancing the skills base of managers in the manufacturing sector to compete effectively in the global marketplace; and assisting the managers of participating companies in managing their businesses more effectively and in enhancing their understanding of business practices and strategies. What future actions can be taken to assist in furthering the effective and efficient operation of the CMM? This question is meant to elicit specific recommendations that the consultant should propose, based on the findings of the evaluation study. Recommendations should suggest improvements in the centre's management and current policy directions, including current and future course content.

STUDY METHOOOLOCY The CMM maintains statistics in respect of the number of short courses run and applications received, seminar attendees and assessments made. Consultants tendering for this project must include full details of their proposed methodology in their submissions. The study should survey a representative and statistically significant sample of CMM clients to elicit their views on the issues canvassed by the evaluation study's objectives. Where appropriate, case studies should be used to illustrate the findings made and the issues examined. The size and nature of the sample and the survey questionnaire will be determined by the consultant in consultation with the department as well as the evaluation methodology to be adopted by the study.

PROPOSED REPORTING ARRANGEMENTS Management of the Evaluation Study QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Management of the project will be by a steering committee chaired by Mr Pin Ng, Project Manager, Business Policy and Planning.

TIMETABLE FOR THE EVALUAnON It is envisaged that the evaluation study will take no more than eight weeks to complete Submissions should indicate whether an eight-week time frame is considered reasonable. It is expected that the successful tenderer will complete a preliminary report by 14 June 1991. A final report is expected by end of July 1991 or earlier.

BUDGET A budget of up to $20 000, including out-of-pocket expenses, has been allocated for the conduct of the proposed evaluation study.

SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS Consultants are required to supply fully costed and staged study proposals and quotes on the following basis: (a) study conducted exclusively by the consultants under the direction of the steering committee; and (b) study conducted by the consultants with one member of the deparbnent available to assist as an integral member of the study team for an average of two days a week for the duration of the study. In the submission, the following information should also be included: who will be responsible for which part of the study; cost per consultant per day and number of days for each consultant for the study duration; details of out-of-pocket or other anticipated expenses (including costs associated with the printing and postage of questionnaires to survey respondents); and details of a proposed work plan and methodology. The successful tenderer will also be required to enter into a contract with the department for the conduct of the evaluation. Interested firms are requested to provide a formal response to this brief by close of business on 21 March 1991, and addressed to: PinNg Project Manager Business Policy and Planning Deparbnent of Manufacturing and Industry Development 5th Floor 228 Victoria Parade EAST MELBOURNE Telephone: 412 8250

COPIES OF FINAL REPORT The successful consultant will be required to provide ten bound copies of the final report together with one loose-leaf copy for printing purposes.

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(Question No. 991) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Productive Culture, for the department to undertake an evaluation of the effectiveness and efficiency of the Victorian Innovation Centre: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. Who are the individual consultants, indicating their qualifications? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for each consultant? 6. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 7. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 8. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 9. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 10. Whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 11. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations? 12. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced on 3 May 1991. 2. The original planned duration of the consultancy was ten weeks, that is, from 3 May 1991 to 12 July 1991. 3. No, the duration of the consultancy was not extended. The consultant submitted the final report on 5 July 1991. 4. Ken Strahan, B.Com (Hons), M.Com. Karen Luscombe, B.Psych (Hons). LisaHebel 5. It is not possible to release this information without the permission of the consultancy firm. 6. Acting Director, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development. Project Manager, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development. Acting Deputy Director, Department of Industry, Technology and Commerce. 7. This information is considered to be commercial in confidence. 8. Yes, progress payments have been made to the consultants according to the terms of payments as stipulated in the consultancy legal agreement. Details of the payments and dates are as follows: Date of Payment Description Amount

17 May 1991 As per clause 1.1 of Schedule 2 SS 000 5 July 1991 As per clause 1.2 of Schedule 2 $10000 30 July 1991 As per clause 1.3 of Schedule 2 $10000 9. As per the consultant's brief (see following information) 10. No, there has not been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy as per the consultant's brief. 11. Working papers/progress reports were prepared by the consultants during the course of the review. Elements of these were included in the final report. 12. (a) As per answer to question 11 above. (b) A final report was completed on 5 July 1991.

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY AND ECONOMIC PLANNING CONSULTANT'S BRIEF EVALUATION OF THE VICTORIAN INNOVATION CENTRE

1. Introduction The Victorian Innovation Centre (VIC) was established in July 1986 with the objective of encouraging and facilitating innovation by individuals and companies, to create commercial success from new ideas and technologies. It was established as a joint initiative of the Commonwealth and Victorian governments by a consortium comprising Chisholm Institute of Technology and Swinburne Institute of Technology. La Trobe University is now also a member of the non-profit limited by guarantee company. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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The centre is strongly supported by a small network of centre associates, mainly by the provision of free consulting time and financial support. These associates are entrepreneurial companies and people who have a record of successful commercial enterprises and are interested in promoting and assisting development of innovative products and services. They are represented on the VIC board and they play a central role in the running of the company. The Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development is seeking submissions from selected consulting firms to undertake an evaluation of the effectiveness and efficiency of the VIC in achieving its aims and its contribution to the Victorian economy over the period 1 July 1986 to 30 June 1990.

2. Background The VIC provides a focus for inventors to help them source the resources required to assist them to carry an idea, product or technology through to the market place. In particular the VIC: assesses the viability of innovations from many sectors of the community; plans appropriate commercialisation strategy for viable innovations; and seeks the partners and resources needed to implement these plans. The VIC receives inquiries from individual inventors, small companies, large companies, research establishments, institutions and universities. For example, work has been done for the Aeronautical Research Laboratories and also for the Materials Research Laboratories. Inquiries are mainly generated from VIe advertising/promotion, referral from the Inventors Association and government extension services such as the Small Business Development Corporation. The VIC's process for assessment of innovative products is as follows: Initial Inquiry The person making an inquiry is asked to complete an application form. If this is completed, the person is invited to attend an information seminar which provides information on topics such as product design, legal requirements, costing and marketing issues. Product Assessment Persons who have attended the information seminar and who wish to have their product assessed complete an assessment form and pay a $100 assessment fee. A professional and independent assessment panel then assesses first the marketability of the innovation and if there is a market feasibility of manufacturing the innovation. The panel comprises a variety of skills and experience and prepares reports on the potential viability of products. Where a product has potential, the VIe provides consultancy services to assist the inventor to manufacture and market the innovation. Consultancy services are provided either on a fee-for-service or licence fee basis. In particular, the VIe has a number of active agreements to obtain shares of royalties or equities in new ventures in return for work undertaken. The VIC has been funded through NIES since 1988. The VIC has also received some State government funds which terminated in 1989. The current NIES funding arrangements are due for renegotiation by the end of December 1990. The centre's activities were reviewed by an external consultant in late 1989 and as part of this review a business plan for the VIC was prepared by the consultant.

3. VIC Mission and Objectives The mission of the VIe is to foster and facilitate innovation and entrepreneurship in Victoria. The objectives of the VIe are to contribute to the growth of the economy through: the establishment of new enterprises; expansion of existing enterprises; and general development of entrepreneurial activity.

4. VIC Strategies The principal VIe strategies to achieve the above objectives relate to the: provision of an efficient innovation assessment and support system that caters for a wide spectrum of clients; management of projects, programs and ventures to commercialise high potential innovations, particularly those with growth and export potential; Commercialisation of products and technologies for government areas and small to medium companies; and promotion and facilitation of general innovation initiatives. 5. The Evaluation QUESTIONS ON NOTICE'

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5.1 Scope of the Study The evaluation will be confined to the VIe assistance provided during the period 1 July 1986 to 30 June 1990. The scope of the evaluation study is further circumscribed by the issues canvassed by the study's objectives (see below). 5.2 Objectives of the Evaluation (a) What has been the economic impact of the VIe? To the extent possible, the study should attempt to quantify the economic impact of the VIe's operations on the Victorian economy in relation to resultant growth in turnover (especially export and import replacement turnover), employment and investment of Victorian firms, organisations and individual operators which have benefited as a result of innovations processed by the VIe being commercialised. (b) To what· extent has the VIe achieved its mission and objectives? An attempt should be made to identify the extent to which the VIe's mission and objectives have been met. An attempt should also be made to identify outcomes associated with all objectives and how effective or appropriate the VIe's strategies have been in the achieving its mission and objectives. (c) How efficient is the current VIe assessment process? How efficient and effective is the assessment process from initial client contact through to the final report stage? In this regard, the consultant should assess the effectiveness of the initial inquiry and screening process, seminars and evaluation panels. (d) How effective has the VIe been in marketing and commercialising innovations? How effective has VIe been in: (a) its promotional activities and (b) its efforts (in terms of cost and benefits) in the commercialisation of innovations processed? (e) What future actions can be taken to assist in the future effective and efficient operation of the VIe? This question is meant to elicit specific recommendations which the consultant should propose, based on the findings of the evaluation study. Recommendations should suggest improvements in centre management and current policy directions including whether some or all of VIC services should -be provided by the private sector. (f) How successful has the VIC been in achieving its non-quantifiable outcomes? This will include an assessment of how far the VIC has succeeded in assisting inventors either to modify and improve their innovations or to link them with appropriate manufacturers and/ or distributors. (g) How satisfied are the VIe's clients with the assistance received? This should include: an analysis of the means by which the delivery of the VIe's services from the client's point of view could be more effective; and the level of client satisfaction with the results of participation in the VIe's program.

6. Study Methodology The VIC maintains statistics in respect of the number of inquiries and applications received, seminar attendees and assessment made. As a guide to the centre's operations, the following statistics are provided for the period 1 July 1989 to 30 June 1990: Previous years' data is also available. No. of Inquiries 789 Applications Received 215 Seminars Attendees 255 No. of Assessments 130 Consultants tendering for this project must include full details of their proposed methodology in their submissions. The evaluation study survey should survey a representative and statistically significant sample of VIC clients to elicit their views on the issues explicit by or implicitly canvassed by the evaluation study's objectives. Where appropriate, case studies should be used to illustrate the findings made and the issues examined. The size and nature of the sample and the survey questionnaire will be determined by the consultant in consultation with Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development as well as the evaluation methodology to be adopted by the study. 7. Proposed Reporting Arrangements. 7.1 Management of the Evaluation Study QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Management of the project will be a steering committee chaired by Terry Ritson, AIg Director Business Policy and Planning.

8. Timetable for the Evaluation It is envisaged that the evaluation study will take no more than eight weeks to complete. Submissions should indicate whether an eight-week time frame is considered reasonable. It is expected that the successful tenderer will complete a preliminary report by the end of December 1990. A final report is expected by the end of January 1991. 9. Budget A budget of up to $25 000 including out-of-pocket expenses has been allocated for the conduct of the proposed evaluation study. 10. Submission of Proposals Consultants are required to supply study proposals and quotes on the following basis: (a) study conducted exclusively by the consultants under the direction of the steering committee; and (b) study conducted by the consultants with one department staff member available to assist as an integral member of the study team for an average of two days a week for the duration of the study. In the submission, the following information should also be included: who will be responsible for which part of the study; cost per day and number of days for each consultant for the study duration; details of out-of-pocket or other anticipated expenses (including costs associated with the printing and postage of questionnaires to survey respondents); details of personal experience and qualifications of consultants who would be undertaking the study; and details of a proposed work plan and methodology. The successful tenderer will also be required to enter into a contract with the Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development for the conduct of the evaluation. Interested firms are requested to provide a formal response to this brief by 28 November 1990 addressed to: Terry Ritson Acting Director Business Policy and Planning Department of Industry and Economic Planning 5th Floor 228 Victoria Parade East Melbourne Vic. 3002 Telephone: 4128307 11. Copies of Final Report The successful consultant will be required to provide ten bound copies of the final report together with one loose-leaf copy for printing purposes.

ANOP CONSULTANCY - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 992) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by ANOP Research Services Pty Ltd for the department regarding employment in the manufacturing sector: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. What are the qualifications of the consultants? 4. What is the hourly I daily fee for the consultants? 5. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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7. Whether the consultants have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 10. Whether the consultants have made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations have been made? 11. Whether the consultants have produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced on 2 August 1990. 2. The consultancy was scheduled for completion on 14 December 1990. The consultant's draft report was provided according to schedule. The final report was provided to the department on 2S March 1991 following comments provided to the consultants in February 1991. 3. The consultants have extensive experience in undertaking many detailed market research projects within the public sector. 4. It is not possible to release this information without the permission of the consultancy firm. 5. Deputy Director-General, Economic, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development General Manager, Industry Development eSt Technology, Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development. 6. The consultants are unable to provide this confidential information. 7. Yes, progress payments have been made to the consultants according to the terms of payments as stipulated in the consultancy legal agreement. Details of the payments and dates are as follows: Date of Payment Description Amount

30 August 1990 As per clause 1.1 of Schedule 2 $90 000 13 December 1990 As per clause 1.2 of Schedule 2 $90 000 11 April 1991 As per clause 1.3 of Schedule 3 $110000 8. As per the consultant's brief (See Note 1). 9. No, there has not been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy as per the consultant's brief. 10. Working papers/progress reports were prepared by the consultants during the course of the review. These did not contain specific recommendations. 11a. The following reports were prepared: 11.1 (Preliminary draft report) Promoting employment in manufacturing: Preliminary pointers following exploratory qualitative research; 11.2 (Draft report) Promoting employment in manufacturing: Detailed report on attitude research; 11.3 (Final report) Promoting employment in manufacturing: Detailed report on attitude research; and 11.4 Promoting employment in manufacturing: Summary report on attitude research. lIb. Date reports presented: October 1990 (11.1); December 1990 (11.2); March 1991 (11.3); and March 1991 (11.4);

NOTE! CONSULTANCY BRIEF SURVEY OF ATTITUDES TOWARDS MANUFACfURING AS A CAREER

BACKGROUND There has been increasing concern over recent years in the manufacturing sector, from both industry and unions, over the declining number of young people entering the industry for a long-term career. High wastage rates in the industry and negative public opinion of manufacturing as a work environment and career opportunity, together with the growth in high profile sectors such as the finance industry, potentially threaten the longer term viability of Victoria's manufacturing base. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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The Victorian government's economic strategy depends heavily upon an internationally competitive manufacturing base. Initiatives which have been undertaken in the past eight years by government have been designed to create an environment for growth in the trade exposed sectors in the economy, and to build on Victoria's competitive strengths. One of the competitive strengths identified originally in the State government's economic strategy in 1984 was the State's diverse skill base in the manufacturing sector. Victoria is the major manufacturing State in Australia. Its diverse and strong skill base underpins the ability of the manufacturing sector to prosper and grow. However recent trends show that younger people are not attracted to the manufacturing sector as a long-term career. While there is no doubt that factors such as working conditions, wages, and career paths are critical features in these attitudes, it is not clear that recent improvements and changes, through the award restructuring process, application of new technologies, and other initiatives, have been recognised by the community at large. The Manufacturing Advisory Council, which is a tripartite advisory body chaired by the Premier and includes representatives from the Victorian Employers Federation, the Metal Trades Industry Association, the Australian Chamber of Manufactures and the Victorian Trades Hall Council, has supported the undertaking of a survey to address these concerns.

AIM OF THE STUDY The study is designed to identify clearly the nature of attitudes towards manufacturing as a work environment and industry with career opportunities. By analysing the basis of existing attitudes, and of the source of the information and perceptions which influence attitudes,it will be possible to develop strategies to redress the current problems faced by the industry.

METHODOLOGY AND ISSUES The attitudes of young people toward manufacturing as a career opportunity are influenced in a number of ways from a number of sources. The successful tenderer would be expected to identify the sources of influence on young people's attitudes toward career choice, and propose appropriate methodologies to assess the basis of views presented, perceptions held and attitudes formed by various groups and young people themselves. Groups to be surveyed, together with survey method, and anticipated outcomes of the survey process should be specified in the submissions. Groups which could be covered in the study include: youth; parents; teachers; CES managers; employers; unions; and media. Other relevant groups and their potential impact on youth perceptions and career decisions, should be identified in the submission. Issues which the consultant should address in the study include: (1) To what extent should the study be used as a means of changing the views of individuals and groups interviewed - either at the time of interview or following feedback from "influencing" groups? How should such a process, if considered appropriate, be managed? (ii) The views of youth toward manufacturing as a career are likely to vary across the "youth" cohort. This widely diverse group includes: secondary students -private -public current employed - manufacturing - non-manufacturing current unemployed tertiary students - manufacturing "stream" - non-manufacturing "stream" How can this study attempt to synthesise the views of such a diverse group and use information generated to provide useful policy recommendations? What methods are appropriate for each group? (ill) What characteristics other than labour market, education and training status are likely to influence the views of youth towards manufacturing as a career: ethnic migrant background? industry and occupation of parents or grandparents? residential location? gender? Consultants should consider potential impacts of these characteristics on youth perceptions and decisions, identify other characteristics which should be included in the scope of the study, and propose appropriate methods to examine possible patterns and relationships. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE'

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(iv) Should the study be established at the outset as a clearly defined process; should initial outcomes and findings enable redefinition of subsequent stages of the study; or should the study aim to be heavily dynamic, with strong feedback loops from various avenues of research determining the subsequent course, and proactive role of the study? (v) The methodology proposed should seek to establish the extent to which perceptions of manufacturing as a career (by various groups) are accurate or inaccurate. In their submissions consultants should address all of the above issues, and any other issues considered important in the conduct of the study.

OUTCOMES A final report analysing the issues on the basis of information obtained through research undertaken and including recommendations for attion, will be required (20 copies). An executive summary should also be provided. Clear findings on the basis of youth perceptions of manufacturing as a career must be provided. Policy recommendations will be influenced by whether the perceptions of youth (and influencing groups) are or are not accurate; this distinction should be clear in the final report and its recommendations.

TIMING The issues raised above require urgent attention. However recognising the complexity of issues associated with the topic, it is anticipated that the study will take up to four and a half months for completion.

BUDGET The importance of this study requires adequate resources be allocated to ensure that all relevant issues are properly addressed, and that useful policy recommendations are formed on the basis of careful interpretation of thorough research. Consultants should focus in their submissions on methodologies which will achieve the desired objectives, rather than gear their submission to a particular budget. An indicative upper budget limit would be around $325 000. However consultants should note that well developed, comprehensive methodologies costed at less than this maximum will be viewed favourably.

MANAGEMENT OF CONSULTANCY Peter Wilson, Director-General of Industry and Economic Planning, will be responsible for the overall management of this consultancy.

SUBMISSIONS Details of costs of various stages of the study, timing and personnel should be provided. Submissions (four copies) should be forwarded to Geoff Browne by 5 p.m., 15 June 1990, at the following address: 5th Floor 228 Victoria Parade EAST MELBOURNE VIe. 3002

FURTHER INFORMATION Inquiries relating to this consultancy should be directed to: Geoff Browne Director Business Policy and Planning Department of Industry and Economic Planning Telephone: 412 8363. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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R. FOWLER CONSULTANCY - MANUFACIURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 993) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Mr Richard Fowler of Fowlers Management Services for the deparbnent to assist TCF firms to improve their business and management skills as part of the Commonwealth Post-1988 TCF Industry Plan: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. What are the qualifications of the consultant? 4. What is the hourly / daily fee for the consultant? 5. Who are the members of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant? 7. Whether the consultant has been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so, what alterations? 10. Whether the consultant has made any interim or final finding or recommendations; if so, what finding or recommendations have been made? 11. Whether the consultant has produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; and (b) on what dates? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced on Friday,S October 1990. 2. There was no extension of the consultancy. 3. Fellow, Australian Society of Certified Practising Accountants; Fellow, Chartered Institute of Secretaries; Also experienced senior manager in manufacturing industry and management consultant. 4. The hourly / daily fee cannot be disclosed without the consent of the consultant. 5. The member of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy was Mc Alan Firth, Project Manager, TCF. 6. Over 100 individual TCF companies were visited during the contract period. 7. Payment was made at the end of each month for services rendered during that month. As at end July 1991 the total payment was $59 279.56 Fees $56 880.00 Expenses $ 2 399.56 8. The terms of the consultancy were to assist and improve business and management skills of TCF companies as part of the Commonwealth Post-1988 TCF Industry Plan. 9. There were no alterations to the terms. 10 & 11. There were no interim or final reports. However as a result of Mc Fowler'S contact with TCF companies (over 100 companies visited), 30 companies were referred elsewhere for assistance, 37 companies actually applied for specific assistance under the NIES/TCF program, and over 70 assistance programs have either been completed or are in the process of completion.

MELBOURNE WEEK, LENINGRAD - MANUFACIURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 995) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Investment and its participation in Melbourne Week in Leningrad to be held in October 1991: 1. What is the total Victorian budget for Melbourne Week in Leningrad? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE·

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2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to the participants in Melbourne Week in Leningrad? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend Melbourne Week in Leningrad? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in Melbourne Week in Leningrad, indicating what grants, incentives or other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the department or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations which declined to participate in Melbourne Week in Leningrad? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Total budget was $50 000 plus travel and accommodation costs for one officer to attend. Estimated travel costs were $14 198. 2. The government has not made or promised any monetary contributions to firms in relation to participation in the St Petersburg-Melbourne Business Development Program. 3. The St Petersburg-Melbourne Business Development Program has been promoted by the Victorian government, in conjunction with the Victorian Employers Chamber of Commerce and Industry and Peat Marwick. Victorian-based companies, firms and organisations have been approached with the aim of providing information on the Melbourne Business Development Program and to invite expressions of interest. In this regard a media release was produced on 17 July 1991 and an advertisement was placed in the Australian Financial Review on 26 July 1991. The State chamber and Peat Marwick have also contacted their respective members and clients in this regard. 4. The following is a list of Victorian-based companies, firms, organisations and individuals that participated in the St Petersburg-Melbourne Business Development Program: The City of Melbourne Corrs Chambers Westgarth East West Intertrade Pty Ltd Jay-Jay (International) Pty Ltd K. E. Fletcher G. H. Michell & Sons (Aust) MrJohnRead Swinburne Institute of Technology Telecom Australia (International) Ltd OTC International Stewart Plastics Pty Ltd United Ship Services Group Bonlac Oztim Trading Corporation Kay Cee Footwear Aardvaak Studios Technetrol Trading & Development Pty Ltd KPMG Peat Marwick Cr David Nolte and Or Helen Kouzmin Victorian Tapestry Workshop Ms Linda Seidl Victorian Employers Chamber of Commerce & Industry Lewis & Young-Duo The above mentioned Victorian-based companies, firms, organisations and individuals are not being given grants, incentives or other financial assistance from this department in relation to participation in the St Petersburg-Melbourne Business Development Program. 5. Due to the large number of firms contacted it is not feasible to provide information on Victorian companies, firms or organisations declining to participate in the St Petersburg-Melbourne Business Development Program. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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TAIWAN TRADE AND INVESTMENT MISSION - MANUFAcnJRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 996) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the Office of Trade and Invesbnent and its participation in the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission in November 1991: 1. What is the total Victorian budget for the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission? 2. What monetary contribution has the government made or promised to participants in the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission? 3. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations are invited to attend the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission? 4. Which Victorian or Victorian-based companies, firms or organisations have indicated a willingness to participate in the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission, indicating what grants, incentives and other financial assistance is to be given to these companies, firms or organisations by the deparbnent or any other government agency? 5. What are the names of the companies, firms or organisations who declined to participate in the Taiwan Trade and Invesbnent Mission? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Total budget - $153 050. 2. The participants receive no direct financial assistance. 3. The mission is focusing on the following four industry sectors: processed food; telecommunications / information technology; engineering consultancy and construction services; and waste and environmental management.. While the above represents the focus, companies outside these sectors who wish to investigate the Taiwanese market are encouraged to attend. 4. As at 19 September 1991 the following firms have indicated a willingness to attend the mission: (i) Processed food Plumrose Petersville Bakery Pyramid Hill Petfood Company (ii) Telecommunications/information technology Telecom Australia (International) Ltd Teletech Pty Ltd EDL Australia Pty Ltd Willow Software Strategic Management Sciences A further five computer software companies are considering participation awaiting the outcome of market research in Taiwan. (iii) Engineering Consultancy and Construction Services O'Connor Wargon Chapman Kinhill Engineers Winward Bonacci John Holland QuinnGroup (iv) Waste and Environmental Management Cleanaway Kinhill Engineers (v) Other Middletons Solicitors Price Waterhouse ANZ Banking Group QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Kambrook Australia Group Ballarat Regional Board. No direct financial incentives or grants are given to participating companies. Rather the Office of Trade and Investment provides the venue, recruits Taiwanese companies to attend the mission, organises all match-making briefings, translation services and organises a cocktail function. Preliminary market research is available to companies which seek it. 5. There was a mail-out to over 400 companies specifically inviting them to attend the mission. It is expected at this point that between 20 and 25 organisations will attend the mission.

SPICE MANAGEMENT CONSULTANCY - MANUFAcruRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1008) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Spice Management Consulting Services to advise the Geelong Regional Commission in respect of fundraising for the proposed development of Surfworld: 1. What was the commencement date of the consultancy? 2. What was the original planned duration of the consultancy? 3. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 4. What are the qualifications of the consultants? 5. What is the hourly / daily fee for the consultants? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultants? 7. Whether the consultant has been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 8. What were the original terms of the consultancy? 9. Name the persons recommended by the consultant as key potential development committee members for Surfworld? 10. Name the potential corporate sponsors approached by the consultants? 11. Name the potential sponsors indicating a willingness to participate in the project? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. The consultancy commenced in April 1990. 2. The original planned duration was six weeks from approvals. 3. The consultancy was extended for five weeks due to time taken for obtaining approvals, potential sponsor survey data collection and potential sponsor interviews delays. The extension was approved by the Project Manager, Geelong Regional Commission. 4. Bachelor of Science and Graduate Diploma in Marketing, with membership of the Australian Institute of Fundraising. 5. A fixed fee for service consultancy of $11 000. 6. Discussions and/or written questionnaires were undertaken with twelve Geelong Regional Commission Staff, three members of the Geelong Regional Commission and two Australian Surfriders Association officers, and confidential personal interviews were conducted with senior decision-makers of 31 major corporations. 7. The following payments were made: $2500 May 1990; $2000 June 1990; $6500 July 1990. 8. Terms of the consultancy were to identify: optimum level of sponsorship attainable for Surfworld; potential sponsors and sponsor types; levels of potential sponsorship by sponsor category; and conditions and requirements of potential sponsors. 9. Sponsorship campaign leadership prospects - refer Note A. 10. Potential corporate sponsors approached by consultants - refer Note B. 11. Potential sponsors indicating a possible willingness to participate - refer Note C. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Note A Campaign Leadership Prospects Gary Ablett Footballer Doug Aiton Media Personality Alan Atkins Director, ASA (National) Colin Atkins Chairman, GRC Rod Brookes President, ASA Tom Carroll International Surfing Champion DavidClark Pyramid Building Society Chris Collins Director of Coaching, ASA John Collins Director, ASA (Vic) Bill Cook Executive Chairman, Bay FM Frank Costa Managing Director, T. Costa and Co. Bill Dix Chairman, Qantas; Director, Ford Australia Daryl Eastlake Media Personality Bill Farrow Chairman, Farrow Corp. AlanGreen Director, Quicksilver Kevan Gosper Chairman, Shell Ray Henry General Manager, GMHBA Grant Kenny Ironman and Media Personality John Law Director, Quicksilver Steve Perry Director, Oakley Sunglasses Brian Singer Managing Director, Rip Curl Daryl Somers Entertainer Peter Troy Originator, Hall of Fame concept Doug Warbrick Director, Rip Curl Mark Warren International Surfing Champion, Media Personality

NoteB Potential corporate sponsors approached by consultants: 1. Alcoa 2. Amcor 3. Bank of Melbourne 4. Bay FM 5. BP 6. Cadbury-Schweppes 7. Coca Cola Bottlers 8. Commonwealth Bank 9. Geelong and District Water Board 10. GMHBA 1l. Kelloggs 12. Kraft 13. K-Rock 14. Medibank Private 15. Mobil 16. NAB 17. National Mutual 18. NEC 19. Nestle 20. Sanitarium 2l. Qantas 22. Quit 23. Anti-Cancer Council 24. Caltex 25. Canon QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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26. Ciba-Geigy 27. Honeywell 28. Kentucky Fried 29. Petersville Sleigh 30. Telecom 31. VOIA

NoteC Potential corporate sponsors indicating a willingness to participate 1. Alcoa John Hannagan (Manager - Public Affairs) 2. Amcor Peter Cairns (General Manager - Corporate Affairs) 3. Bank of Melbourne Anita Ziemer (Marketing Consultant) 4. Bay FM Bill Cook (Executive Chairman) 5. BP Ian Fliedner (Manager - Public Affairs) 6. Cadbury-Schweppes Rick Hartley (Marketing Manager - Drinks) 7. Coca Cola Bottlers Paul Gardner (Marketing Manager) 8. Commonwealth Bank John Ralph (Deputy Chairman) 9. Geelong & District Water Board Wal Whiteside (Chairman) 10. GMHBA Ray Henry (General Manager) 11. Kelloggs Chris McLeod (Marketing Manager) 12. Kraft Bronwyn Constance (Finance) 13. K-Rock Mike Andrews (General Manager) 14. Medibank Private Diana Horvath (Commissioner) 15. Mobil Peter Caulfield (Manager - Advertising and Sponsorship) 16. NAB Haydn Park (Manager - Public Affairs) 17. National Mutual James Malone (Corporate Affairs) 18. NEC Robert Young (Promotions Consultant) 19. Nestle Andrew Castle (State Sales Manager) 20. Sanitarium Alan Holman (Advertising Manager) 21. Qantas Dennis Crawford (Community Affairs) 22. Quit Peter Thompson (Victorian Health Promotion Foundation)

SURFWORLD PROJECT -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1009) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of the proposal by the Geelong Regional Commission to develop a Surfworld at Torquay comprising a Surfing Hall of Fame and a Surf World Museum: 1. Whether the estimated establishment cost of Surfworld is approximately $2 million; if not, what is the estimated sum? 2. What does the Geelong Regional Commission believe is the minimum sponsorship needed? 3. Whether the Geelong Regional Commission estimates first-year attendance of 50 000; if so, what is the basis for such an estimate; if not, what is the estimate? 4. Whether a commitment has been made by any major sponsor; if not are there any potential sponsors? 5. What sum has been expended in preparing plans and undertaking consultation for the development of Surfworld, giving particulars of each sum expended? 6. What was the cost price of the land owned by the Geelong Regional Commission at Torquay? 7. What is the value of the land owned by the Geelong Regional Commission at Torquay? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. Current estimated cost of Surfworld is $1.6 million. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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2. To reduce the amount of government grant funding or GRC equity funding required, sponsorship at a minimum level of $500 000 is considered desirable. 3. Estimated first-year attendances at Surfworld are approximately 50 000 persons, based upon regional demographics and visitation levels, and forecasts for the various sectors of visitors expected. 4. At this time, no major single sponsor has been identified for Surfworld, but a number of parties have expressed interest in participating as minor level sponsors. 5. To date, an amount of $143 000 has been expended by the Geelong Regional Commission on Surfworld on the undertaking of consultation and preparing plans: Project research $16000 Exhibition concept design and construction $56 000 Construction documentation $52000 Fundraising feasibility study $11 000 Corporate sponsorship target submissions $ 8 000 6. The site value of the Surf Coast Plaza allotment when developed in 1981 was $120 000. 7. The June 1990 site valuation of the Surf Coast Plaza allotment was $800 000.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - PREMIER AND CABINET

(Question No. 1014) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Premier: In respect of each department, agency and authority within her administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: The Treasurer, in answer to question No. 1022 in this House, has provided data on the staffing levels as at 30 June 1984 to 30 June 1991. From these figures the honourable member can determine whether there has been a net staff loss or gain. For the years between 30 June 1981 and 30 June 1983 the data is as follows: Agency 30.6.81 30.6.82 30.6.83 Premier and Cabinet (includes NI A 413 422 Office of Governor & Ombudsman's office Vic Relief Committee 13 13 14 Public Service Board 187 182 Audit Office NIA NIA Includes ten administrative trainee officers.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - EMPLOYMENT POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AND TRAIN tNG

(Question No. 1016) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education and Training) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: The then Treasurer provided information on all public sector agencies from the Public Sector Employment Database for the period 1984-91 in his reply to question No. 1022, which was published in Hansard on 29 October 1991 at page 1915. Data for the periods not covered in the then Treasurer's reply is not readily accessible, and the resources required to compile the data are not available. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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STAFF ATTRITION RATE -TRANSPORT

(Question No. 1018) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Transport: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer is: For the purposes of the honourable member's question, data is provided on the staffing level as at the end of each financial year in order for the net variation in the level of staffing over a financial year to be identified. The data as at each 30 June from 1984 through to 1991 for the Ministry of Transport (which includes the Marine Board of Victoria since 1986-87), the Public Transport Corporation (PTC), the Roads Corporation (VicRoads), the Grain Elevators Board (GEB) and the Transport Accident Commission (T AC), was provided by the Treasurer in his answer to question on notice No. 1022, which was circulated on 29 October 1991. The data in respect of the transport agencies as at 30 June for the years prior to 1984 is as follows: 1981 1982 1983 Ministry of Transport N/A- 45 n GEB 718 721 422 PTC 26674 25505 25924 VicRoads N/A- 6074 6413 - Not available It should be noted that the PTC figures do not include contract or temporary staff.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - AGRICULTURE

(Question No. 1019) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the then Minister for Agriculture: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr BAKER (Minister for Food and Agriculture) - The answer is: For the purposes of this question, data is provided on the level of staffing as at the end of each financial year in order for the net variation in the level of staffing over a financial year to be identified. For 30 June 1984 and for each subsequent 30 June up to 1991, the Treasurer will provide this data in relation to the then Department of Agriculture and statutory authorities (with the exception of the Melbourne Wholesale Fruit and Vegetable Market Trust and the Murray Valley Citrus Marketing Board) reporting to me in his answer to question No. 1022, Legislative Assembly.

ORGANISATION 30.6.81 30.6.82 30.6.83

Dept of Agriculture 3098 3144 2793 Aust. Barley Board 18 18 17 Tobacco Leaf Marketing Board (·approximate) 5· 5· 5· Vie. Egg Marketing Board (** at July 1981) ISO·· 166 178 Vie. Dairy Industry Authority (... data not available) Vic. Dried Fruits Board 2 2 2 Western Metropolitan Market Trust (ceased to exist 28.3.91)

Staffing levels for authorities not covered by the Treasurer's answer: Melbourne Wholesale Fruit and Vegetable Market Trust 1981-40; 1982 -42; 1983 -42; 1984 -45; 1985 -47; 1986 -48; 1987 -48; 1988 -47; 1989 -47; 1990 -47; 1991 -48 Murray Valley Citrus Marketing Board (commenced operation on 1 July 1990) 1 July 1990 -10; 1991 -7. Note 1. Casual staff have been included in the data for the Department of Agriculture. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Note 2. Data relating to the Animal Preparation Board and the Victorian Abattoir and Meat Inspection Authority are included in the data relating to the then Department of Agriculture. Note 3. The above figures include full and part-time positions.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1020) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: For the purposes of this question, data is provided on the level of staffing as at the end of each financial year in order for the net variation in level of staffing over a financial year to be identified. For 30 June 1984 and for each subsequent 30 June up to 1991, the Treasurer will provide this data on the level of staffing for the Ministry for Police and Emergency Services and all agencies in my portfolio in his answer to question No. 1022. The data for the Ministry for Police and Emergency Services and its agencies for periods not covered in the Treasurer's answer is as follows: 1981 1982 1983 Ministry for Police and Emergency Services# 46 51 Country Fire Authority 590 600 626 Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board 2048 2070 2057 Victoria Police Department 8179+ 8444+ 8509 Office of the Chief Commissioner of Police 1170+ 1168+ 1303 Victoria State Emergency Service Note: Figures for the Victoria State Emergency Service for the years 1988 to 1991 unaccounted for in the Treasurer's answer to question No. 1022 are as follows: 1988 1989 1990 1991 43 56 53 A figure of 56 for Victoria State Emergency Service is incorporated in the Ministry for Police and Emergency Services figure. # In the Treasurer's answer to Question No. 1022 the figures for 1990 and 1991 for the Ministry for Police and Emergency Services includes establishment of the Traffic Camera Office within the Ministry comprising 60 staff in 1990 and 92 staff in 1991. The time and resources require to provide the requested information cannot be justified. + Information on staffing levels prior to 1983 were prepared on a calendar basis and not financial year.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - FINANCE

(Question No. 1023) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: In respect of the years 1983-84 and onwards, the information sought can be found in the Treasurer's response to question on notice No. 1022, Hansard No. 9, page 1915, of 29 October 1991. For the years prior to 1983-84, my Ministry does not possess any relevant records.

STAFF ATTRITION RATE - DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR

(Question No. 1026) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Labour: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Mr POPE (Minister for Labour) - The answer is: Given the machinery of government changes that have occurred since 1982 and the availability of staffing figures going back to that time, the staff attrition figure would need to be based on the net loss of staff over a financial year calculated on the basis of the comparative level of staffing from one financial year to the next. The following table for the years 1981 to 1983 indicates that there was no decrease in staffing levels over this period. The Treasury will be providing a separate response to this question in relation to the period 30 June 1984 to 30 June 1991.

STAFF

DU MEAT MIA CILSLB Staff Staff Staff Staff Nos at Nos at Nos at Nos at Dec31 June 30 June 30 June 30

1981-82 392 160 63 1982-83 389 262 31 73 1983-84 393 267 69 87

DU: Department of Labour and Industry MEAT: Ministry of Employment and Training MIA: Ministry of Industrial Affairs CILSLB: Construction Industry Long Service Leave Board

STAFF AlTRITION RATE -PLANNING AND HOUSING

(Question No. 1027) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Planning and Housing: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr McCUTCHEON (Minister for Planning and Housing) - The answer is: For the purposes of this question, data is provided on the level of staffing as at the end of each financial year in order for the net variation in level of staffing over a financial year to be identified. For 30 June 1984 and for each subsequent 30 June up to 1991, the Treasurer will provide this data on the level of staffing for all agencies in my portfolio in his answer to question on notice No. 1022. For 30 June 1982 and 30 June 1983, the staffing figures are as follows:

Employment at June of year indicated 1982 1983 Ministry of Housing 1108 1375 Urban Land Authority 12 14 Former Public Works Department 2570 2600 Ministry total: Housing and Construction 3690 3989

Ministry for Planning 293 325 Upper Yarra Valley and Dandenong Ranges Authority 16 15 Loddon-Campaspe Regional Planning Authority 2 2 Ministry total: Planning 311 342 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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STAFF ATIRITION RATE -GAMING

(Question No. 1032) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Attorney-General, for the then Minister for Gaming: In respect of each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the then Minister for Gaming is: Nil.

STAFF ATIRITION RATE -ARTS

(Question No. 1035) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for the Arts: In respect of each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration, what was the staff attrition rate for the financial years 1981-82 to 1990-91, respectively? Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - The answer is: Staffing statistical information has been maintained by the Treasury for all agencies within my portfolio since the 1983-84 financial year. The Treasurer has provided this data in his answer to question No. 1022. The data for the periods prior to 1983-84 was not maintained in the same format, and the time and resources necessary to analyse the old manual records in order to provide the information sought cannot be justified.

ENHANCED RESIGNATION PACKAGE - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 1041) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education and Training) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: In respect of the State Training Board: 1. The enhanced resignation package was advertised in the Public Service Notices on 30 July 1991. The closing date for expressions of interest was 30 August 1991; no offers had been made at that date. 2. Nil. 3. The enhanced resignation package continued to be available to T AFE teachers until 27 September 1991.

ENHANCED RESIGNATION PACKAGE - AGRICULTURE

(Question No. 1042) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the then Minister for Agriculture: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr BAKER (then Minister for Agriculture) - The answer is: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In answering this question, it is assumed that the question refers to the enhanced resignation package as advertised in the Public Service notices of 30 July 1991. 1. At 30 August 1991, staff at the Department of Agriculture had not been made offers for the enhanced resignation package by the management of the department. It should be noted that expressions of interest by staff in the package closed on that date. 2. Not applicable. 3. Any extension or further offers which may /may not be made under this scheme will be in accordance with guidelines from the government work force management unit.

ENHANCED RESIGNATION PACKAGE - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1043) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Ministry for Police and Emergency Services 1. As at 30 August 1991, no staff had accepted the enhanced resignation package. 2. Total value of the payouts is not applicable. 3. No. Country Fire Authority 1. As at 30 August 1991, no staff had accepted the enhanced resignation package. 2. No payment against such packages was made. 3. The enhanced resignation package associated with restructuring of the authority was made available after 30 August 1991. For senior operational personnel it closed on 17 October 1991 and for administrative staff on 24 October 1991. Victoria State Emergency Service. 1. No staff had accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1990. 2. Nil 3. No. Victoria Police 1. Nil 2. Nil 3. No. Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board 1. Nil 2. Nil 3. The process for the enhanced resignation package has not been completed and as such the Metropolitan Fire Brigade has not been in a position to make an offer of the package.

ENHANCED RESIGNA nON PACKAGE - PORTS

(Question No. 1047) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Transport, for the Minister responsible for Ports: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer supplied by the Minister responsible for Ports is: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Port of Portland Authority 1. Nil 2. Nil 3. No. Port of Geelong 1. Nil 2. Nil 3. No. Port of Melbourne 1. Nil 2. Nil 3. No.

ENHANCED RESIGNATION PACKAGE - DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR

(Question No. 1052) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Labour: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr POPE (Minister for Labour) - The answer is: Expressions of interest in the enhanced resignation package were sought from eligible staff. Lodgments of expressions of interest closed on 30 August 1991. A total of 205 officers expressed interest in the enhanced resignation package. This includes staff from the Department of Labour, the Occupational Health and Safety Authority, the Construction Industry Long Service Leave Board, the WorkCare Appeals Board and the Industrial Relations Commission. No offers can be accepted after 29 November 1991. 1. Nil. 2. Nil. 3. No further expressions of interest will be sought. ENHANCED RESIGNATION PACKAGE - HEALTH

(Question No. 1061) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of each department, agency and authority within her administration: 1. How many people have accepted the enhanced resignation package as at 30 August 1991? 2. What is the total value of these payouts? 3. Will the enhanced resignation package continue to be available after 30 August 1991? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: 1. As at 30 August 1991 no offers of the package had been made by Health Department Victoria, as in most cases, staff were given until then to formally express interest in the package. However, offers were made to staff employed under the Public Service Act 1974 within HDV head office and the Office of Psychiatric Services (OPS) from mid-C>ctober until early December 1991. A total of 413 people from these two areas accepted the enhanced resignation package. 2. The total value of these pay outs as at 20 December 1991 was $13.25 million. 3. The enhanced resignation package is a one-off opportunity and expressions of interest were accepted up to 5 p.m. on 30 August 1991. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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RAIL TICKET CHECKS

(Question No. 1075) Mr BROWN (Gippsland West) asked the Minister for Transport: In respect of the financial year 1990-91, whether he will indicate - (a) the number of occasions special checks of passenger tickets were conducted at stations or on trains; (b) the stations or trains on which these checks were conducted and the time of those checks; (c) the number of passengers detected without a valid ticket; and (d) the revenue collected through fines or fares from those passengers detected? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer is: The Public Transport Corporation's revenue protection officers check tickets on trains and at stations as well as trams and buses. All these activities are monitored and recorded on computer. It is not practicable to provide all the detailed information with this answer. However, a computer tabulation listing the details in respect of checks by revenue protection officers on trains and at stations will be provided to the honourable member. To summarise that information, revenue protection officers carried out checks on approximately 15 500 trains and at approximately 2200 barriers on stations in 1990-91. The records indicate that 117105 passengers were detected without valid tickets. Not all passengers detected without valid tickets were issued with a transport infringement notice. Revenue protection officers do exercise discretion in carrying out their role and in many circumstances will request that a ticket be scratched properly or request that a passenger buy a ticket if the boarding station was not staffed. In addition they can issue warnings if passengers are not carrying the appropriate concession card. The actual revenue collected in 1990-91 through fines from persons issued with transport infringement notices was $2032 million. These notices are not issued just for fare evasion but also for other offences, such as offensive behaviour, feet on seats or being intoxicated on PTC property.

VTHC GRANTS -HEALTH

(Question No. 1083) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of each department, agency or authority within her administration, whether any grants and/ or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: (a) Health and Community Services Staff Association (HACSSA) $54 889 Health Services Union (HSU) $80 827 Medical Scientists and Pharmacists Association (MSA) $56 256 Australian Nursing Federation (ANF) $238 209 (b) (i) The grants to HACSSA, HSU and ANF have been used for award restructuring including classification review and trialing. Payments to the ANF included reimbursement of costs of representations associated with the introduction of the clinical nurse specialist classification, the overseas nurse recruitment program and the study of professional issues in nursing. (il) The payment to MSA was reimbursement of salary for a VTHC and HDV liaison officer. This position has been created to improve relations between HDV and the health unions affiliated to VTHC. (ill) The introduction of CAM/SAM funding into the extended care section is a significant change in how this sector is financed and subsequently organised. Consequently, two liaison officers were employed to assist in the education program within the ANF and the Health Services Union. (c) In every instance documentation was prepared by HDV officers giving details of: (i) the project; (il) the benefits to the public health sector of the project; and (ill) analysis of costs including salaries, training requirements and expenses. (d) The above grants have been made for fixed terms. No formal report or audit has been required of the recipient organisation. However, Health Department Victoria officers monitor the situation and assess the effectiveness of the role performed. This assessment is considered on a regular basis and advice is sought from officers prior to any renewal or extension of funding. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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PAYMENTS TO UNIONS OR AGENCIES FOR ACTIVITIES INVOLVING UNION REPRESENTATIVES FROM 1-7-1990 ONWARDS

1990-91 Payee Details Amount $

23.7.90 Monash Medical Centre J. Ruth 3648.70 HAO Officers Review Committee 24.7.90 ANF (Vic.Branch) Mr G. Brown &t Ms J. Hancock Structural Efficiency Project 30.4.90-30.9.90 37278.89 24.7.90 ANF (Vic.Branch) H. Sellers - Cost of airfare to Sydney as part of HDV team reviewing the clinical nurse specialist classification 388.00 31.7.90 ANF(Vic.Branch) Airfare and insurance cost of ANF represent- ative (Ms L. Fitzpatrick) on HDV nurse recruitment team in London 2916.00 7.8.90 Maroondah Ms S. CampbeU, ANF Rep. involvement with overseas nurse recruitment program. Expenses and salaries for period 28.6.89 to 28.7.89 5821.97 20.11.90 HEF1 Award restructuring 30000.00 27.11.90 HEF1 Pilot project for basic skills 34 000.00 26.3.91 Monash Medical Centre J. Ruth 945.99 HAO Officers Review Committee 28.3.91 MMC - Prince Henry's Ms L. Fitzpatrick - ANF Rep. Involvement with overseas nurse recruitment program. Salaries and expenses May 1990 - September 1990 4862.05 2.5.91 Medical Scientists &: R. Burrows - Vie. Trades Hail Council Health 16876.75 Phannacists Assoc. Unions liaison officer Jan-April1991. Various ANF (Vic Branch) Payments to 1.5 EFT involved in the study of professional issues in nursing for the period 30.10.89 to 1.3.91 91 780.30 (1)

1990-91 24.7.91 Royal Womens Hospital Administrative Officers/CEO Award 50 294.00 13.8.91 restructure project team and training project representatives-3 HACSSA + review team salary and administration costs 14.8.91 Medical Scientists &: R. Burrows - Vic. Trades HaU Council Health 22 502.20 Phannacists Assoc. Unions liaison officer - April-August 1991 20.8.91 ANF (Vic Branch) Ms C. Hurst, CAM/SAM union liaison 6538.00 officer - 6.5.91-26.7.91 19.9.91 ANF (Vic Branch) Ms C. Hurst, CAM/SAM union liaison 2514.60 officer - 29.7.91-6.9.91 3.9.91 Medical Scientists &t R. Burrows - Vie. Trades Hall Council Health Phannacists Assoc. Unions liaison officer - September 1991 5625.55 8.10.91 October 5625.55 12.11.91 November 5625.55 16.9.91 ANF (Vic Branch) Payments to 1.5 EFT involved in the study of professional issues in nursing for the period 4.3.91 to 30.8.91 37499.90 (2) 24.9.91 ANF (Vic Branch) Mr G. Brown &: Ms J. Hancock - 48 609.70 Structural efficiency project -1.10.91-30.6.91 26.8.91) Health Services Union Ms M. Pert, CAM/SAM 10.9.91) Australia, Vic No. 1 union liaison officer 4.11.91) Branch April-September 1991 16827.00 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Notes: (1) and (2) These payments were made to the ANF by P ANCH from funds advanced by HDV. Paperwork attached covers both payments to P ANCH and claims by the ANF to P ANCH.

VTHC GRANTS - MAJOR PROJECTS

(Question No. 1088) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Major Projects: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/ or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr KENNAN (Minister for Major Projects) - The answer is: No grants or contributions have been made by the Major Projects Unit to the Victorian Trades Hall Council or its affiliates since 1 July 1990.

VTHC GRANTS - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1093) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/ or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Ministry for Police and Emergency Services No grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990.

Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board No grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990.

Victoria Police No grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990.

Victoria State Emergency Service No grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990.

Country Fire Authority No grants and/ or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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VTHC GRANTS - CORRECTIONS

(Question No. 1094) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Corrections: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr SANDON (Minister for Corrections) - The answer is: No grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall and/or its affiliates since July 1990.

VTHC GRANTS - CONSUMER AFFAIRS

(Question No. 1095) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services, for the Minister for Consumer Affairs: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Consumer Affairs is: In the 1990-91 financial year no such grants were made by the Ministry of Consumer Affairs or the Liquor Licensing Commission.

VTHC GRANTS - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1099) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: Geelong Regional Commission: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

Royal Exhibition Trust: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

State Electricity Commission: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

Renewable Energy Authority Victoria: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Overseas Project Corporation of Victoria: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

Albury-Wodonga Development Corporation: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

Latrobe Regional Commission: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development: 1. The sum of $9146 was paid to the VTHC on 6 June 1991, being the final instalment of a grant totalling $52 600 supporting the Skills Training and Industry Restructuring and Technology Unit for the year 1989-90 year. 2. The purpose of the grant was a contribution to the VTHC Skills Training Industry Restructuring and Technology Unit operating costs, in accordance with a memorandum of understanding. 3. The documentation supporting this grant is the memorandum of understanding between the VTHC, DMID and the State Training Board, which sets out the aims and monitoring conditions of the Skills Training Industry Restructuring and Technology Unit by DMID for up to $52 600. General claim forms and G6 approval documents were used to support the actual payments of $39450 during 1989-90 and $9146 during 1990-91. 4. Audited financial statements and performance reports of the unit have been provided by the VTHC.

Gas and Fuel Corporation of Victoria: 1. July 1990 -$300 July 1991-$330 2. For annual listing in the VTHC Trade Union Directory. 3. Invoices. 4. No - the payments relate to advertising costs only.

Supplementary answer: In the recent reply to question on notice No. 1099 from the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development the following details regarding the Coal Corporation of Victoria were inadvertently omitted: The corporation has not provided any grants and/ or contributions to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/ or its affiliates since 1 July 1990. However, as part of the corporation's marketing activities advertisements were made in union publications. The details are as follows: 1. Official Trade Union Directory - $1350, including artwork. Gippsland Trades and Labour Council Diary 1991 - $385.95 including artwork. Gippsland Trades and Labour Council Diary 1992 - $385 including artwork. 2. To advertise the coal corporation's principal brown coal product "Victoria Briquettes" which are used in a variety of industrial applications - total briquette sales in 1990-91 were 599 000 tonnes. 3. & 4. The advertisement was placed in the directory as part of the corporations's marketing campaign and as such no supporting documentation or audit was necessary.

VTHC GRANTS - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 11(0) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In respect of each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration, whether any grants and/ or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/or its affiliates since July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education and Training) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: The only agency in my portfolio to provide such funds was the State Training Board. Details are as follows: Amount Given Purpose Supporting Report/ Audit Documentation

$67700.00 Grant to enable Appropriate Auditor's Report the continuation documents are was provided on of Skills retained in 7-10-91 by Training & Department VTHC Technology Unit $10 544.92 Grant to enable Appropriate Auditor's Report the continued documents are was provided on strategy of the retained in 7-10-91 by Access & Equity Department VTHC Office position within Skills Training & Technology $20744.31 Administrative Appropriate Auditor's Report costs on Salary documents are was provided & on-costs for retained in on 20-12-91 by Literacy Officer Department VTHC (International Literacy Year Small Grants program)

VTHC GRANTS - PORTS

(Question No. 1102) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Transport, for the Minister responsible for Ports: In respect of each deparbnent, agency or authority within his administration, whether any grants and/or contributions have been given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council and/ or its affiliates since 1 July 1990; if so - (a) what was the amount given; (b) what was the purpose of the grant and/or contribution; (c) what documentation was provided in support of the grant and/or contribution; and (d) has any report or audit been prepared in respect of the use of the grant? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer supplied by the Minister responsible for Ports is: There are two issues involved in responding to the above question. (1) Contributions made to the VTHC for the employment of a union coordinator. (2) A contribution for an advertisement in the VTHC directory.

Port of Melbourne Authority: 1. (A) $79 180. (B) Contribution to salary of the VTHC Maritime Union coordinator. (C) Letter of request to the Port of Melbourne Authority from the VTHC Secretary. (D) The contribution is paid periodically, i.e., two or three monthly for salary purposes and as such is closely monitored by officers of the authority. 2. (A) $1000. (B) Full page advertisement in the Victorian Trades Hall Council Official Trade Union Directory 1992. (C) Letter of request and subsequent invoice. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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(0) Not applicable. Port of Portland Authority: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council. Port of Geelong Authority: No grants were given to the Victorian Trades Hall Council.

N. PASCOE CONSULTANCY -CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT

(Question No. 1111) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Conservation and Environment: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Neil Pascoe and Associates for the department to carry out research on public attitudes to the sale of public softwood plantations: 1. Whether the questionnaire used by the consultant/s contained questions identical or similar to - (a) '1f a State election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; and (b) ''If a Federal election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; if so - (i) were the findings of the answers to such questions cross referenced against any other findings or demographic details; (ii) which officer of the department or consultant/s approved the question; and (iii) whether such officer or consultant/s reported that approval to the Minister or any other Minister or officer? 2. Whether the consuitant/s will provide or has provided detailed tabulations of (a) all their findings; (b) any and which part of their findings; and (c) the results of the matters referred to in the qut'stionnaire to - (i) the department; (ii) the Minister; (iii) the Cabinet; (iv) any and which members of the Australian Labor Party; and (v) Irving Saulwick, giving the date on which each such report was made? 3. Whether he will provide details of any correspondence and contractual provisions relating to the preparation and/or provision of detailed tabulations? Mr CRABB (then Minister for Conservation and Environment) - The answer is:

1. (a) No. (b) No. 2. The report has been released to you under Fo!. 3. The report has been released to you under Fo!.

REARK RESEARCH CONSULTANCY - COMMUNITY SERVICES

(Question No. 1112) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Community Services: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Reark Research Pty Ltd to undertake a market research project to evaluate the attitude to child sexual abuse of the professional and general community of Victoria: 1. Whether the questionnaire used by the consultant/s contained questions identical or similar to - (a) '1f a State election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; and (b) ''If a Federal election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; if so - (i) were the findings of the answers to such questions cross referenced against any other findings or demographic details; (ii) which officer of the department or consultant/s approved the question; and (ill) whether such officer or consultant/ s reported that approval to the Minister or any other Minister or officer? 2. Whether the consultant/s will provide or have provided detailed tabulations of (a) all their findings; (b) any and which part of their findings; and (c) the results of the matters referred to in the questionnaire to - (i) the department; (ii) the Minister; (iii) the Cabinet; (iv) any and which members of the Australian Labor Party; and (v) Irving Saulwick, giving the date on which each such report was made? 3. Whether she will provide details of any correspondence and contractual provisions relating to the preparation and/or provision of detailed tabulations? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: 1. The questionnaire used by the consultants did not contain any questions regarding voting preferences. 2. The consultant has provided detailed tabulations of the findings related to the general public to CSV only. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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3. A copy of the contract between the consultants and CSV has been provided to the honourable member. There is no correspondence or contractual provision relating specifically to the provision of detailed tabulations. They were provided by the consultants for CSV's information only. However the consultants will provide CSV with a comprehensive report regarding the findings of the research. At the appropriate time, following perusal by officers from CSV, the report will be made available to interested persons, including the honourable member

AUSTRALIAN COMMUNITY RESEARCH CONSULTANCY - TREASURY

(Question No. 1116) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Australian Community Research for the Department of Treasury to research public attitudes on gambling for the Public Attitudes Monitoring Program: 1. Whether the Treasurer will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of completion of the consultancy? 2. What is the contractual price for the delivery of the consultancy and whether the consultant/s have received any payment; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 3. What were the original and (if any) amended terms of the consultancy agreement? 4. Whether the terms of the consultancy agreement were set out solely in writing or were they partly oral; if oral, will the Treasurer give precise particulars of the oral parts of the agreement including the persons engaged in the negotiations? S. Whether the questionnaire used by the consultant contained questions identical or similar to - (a) '1f a State election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; and (b) '1f a Federal election were held tomorrow, which party would be most likely to receive your first preference"; if so - (i) were the findings of the answers to such questions cross-referenced against any other findings or demographic details; (ii) which officer of the department or consultant approved the question; and (iii) whether such officer or consultant reported that approval to the Minister or any other Minister or officer? 6. Whether the consultant will provide or have provided detailed tabulations of (a) all their findings; (b) any and which part of their findings; and (c) the results of the matters referred to in the questionnaire to - (i) the department; (ii) the Minister; (iii) the Cabinet; (iv) any and which members of the Australian Labor Party; and (v) Irving Saulwick, giving the date on which each such report was made? 7. Whether he will provide details of any correspondence and contractual provisions relating to the preparation and/ or provision of detailed tabulations? 8. What was the nature and number of the sample which has been interviewed for the purposes of the consultancy? 9. Whether the consultants produced any interim or final findings or recommendations; if so provide precise particulars of such findings and recommendations? 10. Whether the consultants produced any interim or final reports; if so - (a) what reports; (b) on what dates; and (c) will the Treasurer make such reports public? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. (a) December 1990 (b) February 1991 (c) July 1991 2. Contractual price $27 SOO (a) $10000 $17 SOO (b) 8.3.91 2.8.91 3. The terms of the consultancy were to: ascertain people's awareness of current gambling measures; determine whether the Victorian public favour or oppose any changes to current gambling measures; if changes are favoured, to identify the changes people wish to see made and what types of new gambling arrangements are favoured; ascertain people's attitudes to the management and control of gambling, and the control of any new gambling facilities. 4. Terms of the contract were set out in writing. S. The questionnaire was developed by Australian Community Research (ACR). QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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6. Tabulations were listed in the report by ACR. Results of the questionnaire were provided to the Minister and to Cabinet. 7. No correspondence or contractual provisions related to the preparation/provision of tabulations. 8. The telephone survey involved a random sample of 650 households drawn on a representative Statewide basis from throughout Victoria. The sample population were respondents aged 18 years and over living in Melbourne and country Victoria. 9. No recommendations were provided. 10. One report was provided: (a) Community attitudes to an extension of gambling (b) July 1991 (c) Report was released under Fol.

FoI REQUESTS - ARTS

(Question No. 1127) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for the Arts: In respect of Fol requests by Parliamentarians and/or journalists, for each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) Fol requests by members of Parliament; and (b) Fol requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 199O? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the Fol officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of Fol requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (ill) the date it was given? Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - The answer is: 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. There have been no other instructions or directions in dealing with Parliamentarians or journalists. 2. There has been no instruction or direction that documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents. It is a usual part of departmental activity, however, that Ministers are briefed on any matter upon which they might be called upon to respond in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, the documents to be released under the Fol Act may, in some instances, be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. 3. No such instruction has been given.

FoI REQUESTS - HEALTH

(Question No. 1129) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of Fol requests by Parliamentarians and/or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within her administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) Fol requests by members of Parliament; and (b) Fol requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 199O? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the Fol officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of Fol requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (ill) the date it was given? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by freedom of information officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the department or agency which are not specific to freedom of information matters. 2. It is a usual part of departmental activity that Ministers are briefed on any matter which they might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, the documents to be released under the Freedom of Information Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with freedom of information requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the department or agency. 3. No such instruction has been given.

FoI REQUESTS - CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT

(Question No. 1133) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Conservation and Environment: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (ill) the date it was given? Mr CRABB (then Minister for Conservation and Environment) - The answer is: 1. All agencies follow the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Informlltion Handbook, in dealing with FoI requests from journalists, members of Parliament and all other members of the public. Agencies have their own internal procedures in relation to the receipt and processing of requests. 2. There are no instructions that documents be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release under Fol. 3. No such instructions have been given.

FoI REQUESTS - DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR

(Question No. 1136) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Labour: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/ or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (ill) the date it was given? Mr POPE (Minister for Labour) - The answer is: 1. Freedom of Information officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Informlltion Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the department or agency which are not specific to freedom of information matters. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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2. It is a usual part of departmental activity that Ministers are briefed on any matter on which they might be called upon to respond in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the department or agency. 3. No such instruction has been given.

FoI REQUESTS - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1139) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction.that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by - (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (iii) the date it was given? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Ministry for Police and Emergency Services 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the Ministry which are not specific to freedom of information matters. 2. It is departmental policy that the Minister be briefed on any matter which he might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the Ministry. 3. No such instructions have been given.

Victoria Police 1. Victoria Police observe the guidelines laid down in volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook, together with general administrative procedures relative to the force which are not specific to freedom of information matters. Requests received from Parliamentarians and journalists are treated no differently to those received by members of the general public. 2. It is departmental policy that the Minister be briefed on any matter which he might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, documents to be released under freedom of information to Parliamentarians and, in certain cases, journalists, are provided to the Minister's office following release of such documentation. 3. No such instructions have been given.

Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board which are not specific to freedom of information matters. 2. It is departmental policy that the Minister be briefed on any matter which he might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board. 3. No such instructions have been given. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Victoria State Emergency Service 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the Victoria State Emergency Service which are not specific to freedom of information matters. 2. It is deparbnental policy that the Minister be briefed on any matter which he might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the Victoria State Emergency Service. 3. No such instructions have been given.

Country Fire Authority 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to the general administrative procedures of the Country Fire Authority which are not specific to freedom of information matters. 2. It is deparbnental policy that the Minister be briefed on any matter which he might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and to the number of other requests made to the Country Fire Authority. 3. No such instructions have been given.

FoI REQUESTS - COMMUNITY SERVICES

(Question No. 1142) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Community Services: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/ or journalists, for each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (iii) the date it was given? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: 1. Freedom of information officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Guidelines on responding to freedom of information requests are included in the deparbnent's Executive Coordination Manual. A relevant part of these guidelines states that in the case of non-personal requests, advice on the release of material is sought from the senior executive officer /regional director responsible for the area. It is the responsibility of that officer to brief the Minister on any sensitive matters before the material is released. There are no other existing guidelines, instructions or directions relating to dealing with FoI requests from members of Parliament and journalists. 2. There is no instruction or direction that documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to their release. It is a usual part of the deparbnent's activity that the Minister be briefed on any matter which she may be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office. Any delay that might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual requests and to the number of other requests made to the deparbnent. 3. No such instruction has been given. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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FoI REQUESTS -FINANCE

(Question No. 1144) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/ or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by - (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (iii) the date it was given? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: 1. There are no guidelines, instructions or directions to the Ministry's freedom of information manager for dealing with freedom of information requests by members of Parliament or journalists. 2. There are no instructions or directions that documents (or copies) be forwarded to my office prior to release. As a matter of courtesy, copies of the documents are forwarded to my office prior to release, however no delay has been caused by the submission of such documents. 3. (a) No. (b) No.

FoI REQUESTS - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 1146) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/ or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the FoI officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by - (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (iii) the date it was given? Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education and training) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: 1. All FoI requests are handled in accordance with the requirements of the Fo! Act and Fo! officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by Fo! officers relate to general administrative procedures of the department or agency which are not specific to Fo! matters. No specific instructions have been given in relation to - (a) members of Parliament or (b) journalists, or any other persons. 2. It is a normal part of departmental activity that Ministers are briefed on any matter which they might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay which might occur with Fo! requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and the number of other requests made to the department or agency. 3. No such instruction has been given. Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1. All FoI requests are handled in accordance with the requirements of the FoI Act and FoI officers observe the guidelines laid down in Volume 2 of the Freedom of Information Handbook. Any other procedures observed by FoI officers relate to general administrative procedures of the department or agency which are not specific to FoI matters. No specific instructions have been given in relation to - (a) members of Parliament or (b) journalists, or any other persons. 2. It is a normal part of departmental activity that Ministers are briefed on any matter which they might be called upon to respond to in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, the documents to be released under the FoI Act may be sighted by the Minister's office prior to release. Any delay which might occur with FoI requests does not specifically relate to this procedure, but to the complexity of the individual request and the number of other requests made to the department or agency. 3. No such instruction has been given.

FoI REQUESTS - TRANSPORT

(Question No. 1147) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Transport: In respect of FoI requests by Parliamentarians and/or journalists, for each department, agency and authority within his administration: 1. What are the existing guidelines, instructions, and directions to the freedom of information officer in dealing with - (a) FoI requests by members of Parliament; and (b) FoI requests by journalists? 2. Whether there is any instruction or direction that the documents (or copies) be forwarded to the Minister's office prior to release of the documents; if so, what delay has been caused by the submission of the documents to the Minister's office for each such request since 1 June 1990? 3. Whether any instructions have been given to the For officer since 8 September 1991 in respect of FoI requests by­ (a) the honourable member for Doncaster; and (b) other members of Parliament and/or journalists; if so - (i) by whom, indicating the person's name and title; (ii) the nature of the instruction; and (iii) the date it was given? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer is: Freedom of Information (For) officers in the Ministry and each transport agency deal with and consider all For requests in accordance with the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act 1983 and the guidelines laid down in the Freedom of Information Handbook. All the transport FoI officers' decisions are made independently, after careful consideration of the information contained in each and every document considered relevant to the For request. There is no interference in the For officer's decision-making process. It is a usual part of agencies' activities that Ministers are briefed on any matter on which they might be called upon to respond in the Parliament or elsewhere. Consequently, following a decision by the FoI Officer, documents relevant to For requests are brought to the attention of the Minister's office. In a portfolio as large and complex as transport, it is inevitable that a substantial number of For requests will be received; and that many requests will come from members of Parliament and the media. The transport portfolio received 157 requests from members of Parliament during the 1990-91 financial year. Ninety (90) of these requests were of a generic nature and/or involved the identification of voluminous documents to satisfy the request. Consequently, it is not always possible for For officers to make a decision on each document within the 45 days required under the Act. It is pointed out that the provisions of the Act provide for this eventuality in section 53, which deems that the agency's decision is to refuse access to the documents. This enables the applicant to apply to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal to have the matter determined. It will be appreciated that where honourable members have sought information for political purposes the Minister should properly be informed and briefed on the issues involved. Also, in respect of FoI requests by the media, honourable members will acknowledge the importance for the Minister to be fully briefed on the subject. Unfortunately difficulties were experienced in the briefing process, due to the number of FoI requests and the volume of documents involved in some requests. To facilitate the more timely release of information requested by honourable members and journalists, a guideline was issued on 9 September 1991 by the Director-General of Transport to the chief executives of all transport agencies. The guideline related to the procedures in briefing the Minister's office and required agencies to provide the Ministry with at least five days notice of the release of documents. The procedure clearly states that it in no way affects or interferes with the legislative requirements of the transport agencies under the Freedom of Information Act. There have been no specific instructions given to FoI officers in respect of Fol requests by the honourable member for Doncaster or any individual member of Parliament or journalist. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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BOATING

(Question No. 1152) Mr DICKINSON (South Barwon) asked the Minister for Transport, for the Minister for responsible for Ports: In respect of the recently conducted review of public berthing and mooring fees for small pleasure craft and fishing vessels, whether the government will implement a full inquiry into all aspects of boating with reference to fees, taxes, government policies and how the State's boating and related resources could be best utilised to benefit the public and tourism?

Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer supplied by the Minister responsible for Ports is: The port authorities are responsible for managing public berths and moorings in commercial and associated ports, they are not responsible for boating in general. Matters relating to boating policy are the responsibility of the Minister for Transport.

MOORAKYNE HOSTEL

(Question No. 1153) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Community Services: In relation to the recently announced proposed sale of Moorakyne: 1. Whether she will advise what the future plans are for housing the 32 young people with intellectual disabilities currently housed at Moorakyne? 2. How much the resettlement program is estimated to cost? 3. Whether the resettlement program will result in cost savings; if so, what are the savings forecast for each of the first five financial years? . 4. Whether account has been taken of the familial bond which has developed between the residents? 5. Whether the decision to sell Moorakyne was taken as a budgetary matter; if not, why is Moorakyne being sold? 6. Whether there was any prior consultation with the administrators of the home or the parents of the residents; if not, why? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: 1. The future plans for any clients of Moorakyne who choose to move from Moorakyne will be identified via the general service plan process, which will involve consultation with clients, families and staff. I have given my assurance that only those clients who wish to move from Moorakyne will do so. It is intended that those clients who choose to move will be accommodated in smaller units in groups of four or five so that they can achieve greater independence and development of skills. 2 & 3. The cost and potential cost savings of any resettlement program cannot be ascertained given that it is not known how many clients will choose to move from Moorakyne. 4. A major issue to be considered in the general service plan process is the friendship groupings of the clients, as well as other important factors such as family relations and location of day placements. 5. The previous decision to sell Moorakyne was made to improve the quality of life opportunities for clients by moving them to smaller scale accommodation. Client relocation would also have resulted in savings if Moorakyne had closed. 6. Consultation on client needs occurs regularly with parents, residents and staff through the general service planning process. Decisions regarding the future location of clients at Moorakyne have and will continue to be made in the context of normal client service planning processes.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - ARTS

(Question No. 1157) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for the Arts: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In respect of each department, agency and autilority witilin his administration, whetiler he will disclose tile cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of tile training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue? Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - The answer is: The time and resources necessary to provide all the detail sought for all agencies within the arts portfolio cannot be justified. However, each agency and the Ministry's central office have been able to provide a list of the courses conducted over more recent years together with some of the detail sought in the question. This material has been forwarded direct to tile honourable member.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - HEALTH

(Question No. 1159) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of each department, agency and authority within her administration, whether she will disclose tile cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue?

Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: Information concerning training and self-development programs in which health department officers have participated since 1 July 1985 is unavailable in the detail requested. There are more than 2000 agencies and services within the Victorian health system funded and/or regulated by the government. Within Health Department Victoria and the department's agencies responsibility for staff development has largely been devolved and comprehensive staff development details are not recorded centrally. In order to access the full information requested, data would have to be collated from individual agencies, services and all departmental line management areas. The time and resources required for this exercise cannot be justified. However a summary of the HDV staff development expenditure for the 1990-91 financial year follows. The Training Guarantee Scheme imposes a minimum training expenditure requirement on employers for the 1990-91 financial year of 1 per cent of the employer's annual payroll, and 1.5 per cent from 1 July 1991. The training expenditure for Health Department Victoria in the last financial year clearly meets this requirement.

HDV STAFF DEVELOPMENT EXPENDITURE 1990-91

B = Staff development salary budget C = Staff development administration budget D =Salary paid to participants while attending staff development activities.

Sub-Total B C (B+C) D Total

Management Development Program $84 775 $43400 $128175 $56160 $184 335 Other personnel staff development courses $39683 $43600 $83283 $164 824 $248107 OPS training team $200644 $49600 $250244 $80290 $330 534 Aust.College Health Service Exec. $4200 $4200 $45500 $49700 Dental Therapy School $507616 $154 816 $662432 $214112 $876544 Public Health Training Scheme $15000 $15000 $86800 $101800 OPS Nurse Education '"$2249769 $2249769 $9801979 $12051748 Social Work - orientation $3250 $3250 $12960 $16210 Post Graduate Psychiatry Training $65 457 $26487 $91944 $845936 $937880 Study leave: full time $238 207 $238207 Study leave: part time (EFT) $3500 $3500 $172 530 $176030 Child and Family Health Nurse Education $9000 $83606 $92606 $380920 $473526 Alcohol and Drug Services $10000 $10000 $310000 $320000 Alcohol and Drug Services Nurse Education $45000 $44000 $89000 $99459 $188 459 Computer Training $30000 $29739 $59739 $90 655 $150 394 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Targeted Apprenticeship Access Program $1000000 $1000000 (80 x $12 500) Child Psychiatry Training Program (Austin) $4 000 $147122 $151122 $1081360 $1232482 Policy and Planning $28518 $28 518 HDV Funds to RMIT $59000 $59000 $59000 $70000 $70000 $70000 Monash $25000 $25000 $25 000 Mayfield $407140 $407140 $17089 $424229 SBRC $381009 $381009 $381009 Frankston Resource Centre $189911 $189 911 $189911

TOTALS $5 026 324 $1 m 130 $5 026 324 $14727299 $19753623

•• Included in nurse educators' salary (8) • - Salary $1 839 826 - Commuted allowance $331 154 - Average overtime $78 789 $2249769 Note: 85 per cent "Other Personnel Staff Development courses" are Management Training/OD Interventions. A percentage of Mayfield's "Professional Training" are administration programs.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - PLANNING AND HOUSING

(Question No. 1165) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Planning and Housing: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, whether he will disclose the cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-develapment program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue?

Mr McCUTCHEON (Minister for Planning and Housing) - The answer is: HOUSING AND CONSTRUCTION VICfORIA (a) The range fo training or self-development programs provided since 1 July 1985 includes the following: employment category training; orientation training; supervision and management training; client service training; trade and apprenticeship training; technical and para-professional training; information systems, microcomputer and other computer training; health and safety training; plant and machinery operation; and conferences and seminars. (b) The providers comprised inhouse staff from the Staff Development Branch and other line areas of Housing and Construction Victoria, the Public Service Board and other Victorian Public Service Board employees and external consultants. (c) The total cost for these programs as at 30 June 1991 was $4 345167. (d) The participants represent a range of occupational categories covering administrative, clerical and keyboard, a range of building, technical and professional categories including architects, engineers, draughting personnel, quantity surveyors, trades, building inspectors, housing officers and computer systems personnel. (e) The venues used included conference and amenities rooms in Myer House, the Olderfleet Building, 2 Treasury Place and Housing and Construction Victoria area and zonal offices. Other Victorian Public Service facilities were utilised as well as external venues such as TAFE colleges and the Council of Adult Education facilities. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND HOUSING (a) Planning provided the following range of training and self-development programs from 1 July 1985: career planning; supervision and management training; client service training; negotiation skills and advocacy training; stress management; writing and presentation skills; improving staff performance and staff selection training; and records management. (b) The providers comprised inhouse staff from Staff Development Branch and external consultants. (c) The total cost for these programs is in the vicinity of $245 000 as at 30 June 1991. (d) the participants represent the following occupational categories: clerical, keyboard and profesSional categories including planners, architects, building surveyors and inspectors, engineers, draughting personnel, library, legal and computer services personnel and scientists. (e) The venues used included conference and theatrette facilities at the Olderfleet Building, Council of Adult Education, Transport House, Land Titles Office, T AFE colleges, RMIT, Melbourne University, the State Government Training Centre and several other similar venues.

URBAN LAND AUTHORITY (a) The Urban Land Authority since 1 July 1985 has provided client service training, technical and professional training including project managers' seminars, computer training and conferences and seminars. (b) The providers were external consultants and professional bodies. (c) The total cost of these programs as at 30 June 1991 was $112 988. (d) The participants come from the following occupational categories: administrative and executive, clerical and keyboard, project managers and computer systems and technical personnel. (e) The programs were held at a variety of venues similar to those used by HCV.

UPPER YARRA VALLEY AND DANDENONG RANGES AUTHORITY The Upper Yarra Valley and Dandenong Ranges Authority first established records on staff training and development programs in 1988-89. The response relates to the period from that date. (a) The Upper Yarra Valley and Dandenong Ranges Authority provided a range of computer training, supervisory and records management training and officers attended a Taxation Compliance seminar and Train the Trainer program. (b) The providers of the programs were from external organisations including TAFE colleges and computer and information companies. (c) The total cost of these programs as at 30 September 1991 was $2850. (d) A total of fifteen staff attended the courses and these staff were planners, administrative officers or keyboard operators. (e) The venues utilised were a range of T AFE colleges and several other similar venues.

PLUMBERS, GASFITTERS AND DRAINERS REGISTRA nON BOARD As the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainers Registration Board came into existence by proclamation on 1 December 1988, the answer provided deals with the period from that date. (a) The board provided a range of training and development programs including personal computer courses, technical training in various aspects of plumbing, gasfitting and drainage work, an examination of policy and procedures, client services training and communication and writing skills programs, legal programs, and first aid programs. (b) The course providers included industry and related company representatives, inhouse staff, external consultants and T AFE trainers. (c) The total cost of these programs to 30 September 1991 was in the vicinity of $7000. (d) The participants were administrative services officers and examiners. (e) The venues utilised were the board's premises at Malvern, various TAFE colleges and government agencies and on-site training at a number of private companies. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - TREASURY

(Question No. 1167) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer: In respect of each deparbnent, agency and authority within his administration, whether he will disclose the cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue? Mr SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: To provide the information for the years July 1985 to July 1988 would involve a search of individual records and therefore the time and resources required cannot be justified. The data for the remaining years would cost in excess of $2000 to provide the information in a format that would be acceptable for presentation to Parliament for incorporation into Hansard and therefore cannot be justified. It should be noted that the information has, however, been released under FoI.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1169) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, whether he will disclose the cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving: In each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue? Mr SANOON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Ministry of Police and Emergency Services The time and resources required to provide the information requested for the period 1985 to 1987 cannot be justified. However, details from 1988 are provided hereunder. Staff Development and Training Programs Attended -1988-89 Financial Year Attendees Training Program Details

Mr P. Gabriel Course: Finance for Non-Finance Managers Mr M. Warwick Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Venue: Public Service Board, Melbourne Cost: $150 per person Date: July 1988

MrG. Baker Course: Introduction to Personal Computers MrG. Twomey Provider: Public Service Board/Micro-energy Mr A. Fitzpatrick Venue: Micro-Energy, Preston Ms L. Tainton Cost: $350 per participant Date: July 1988 (2 days)

Mr L. Haylock Course: Project Management Or M. Henderson Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Mr D. MacDonald Venue: Public Service Board of Victoria Cost: $150 per participant Date: August 1988 (2 days)

Ms A. Congleton Course: Project Management Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Venue: Public Service Board of Victoria Cost: $150 per participant Date: Sept 1988 (2 days)

Ms D.Jeans Course: Domestic Violence & Child Abuse Conference Provider: Australian Psychological Society Venue: National Science Centre, Parkville, Melb Cost: $250 per participant Date: Sept 1988

Ms D.Jeans Course: Policy Development Processes and Ms D. King Techniques Ms K. Knight Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Venue: Public Service Board, Melbourne Cost: $320 per participant Date: Sept 1988 (2 days)

Ms F. Lovass Course: Victorian State Congress 1988 Seminar Provider: Aust Society of Accountants Venue: Melbourne Cost: $240 per participant Date: October 1988

Ms A. Congleton Course: Overhead Value Analysis Seminar Provider: Cruikshank Management Resources Pty Ltd Venue: Noah's Hotel Melbourne Cost: $300 per participant Date: October 1988

Me J. Ferguson Course: Cost Benefit Analysis Ms A. Congleton Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria MeD. Young Venue: Public Service Board Cost $150 per participant Date: November 1988

MeM. Bourne Course: Program Review Provider: Public Service Board, Victoria Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $150 per participant Date: November 1988

Ms K. Knight Course: Effective Negotiation Skills Provider: Technisearch Ltd. Venue: Technisearch, Swanston St, Melbourne. Cost: $455 per participant Date: November 1988

Me A. Phillips Course: Snr Executive Forum - Achieving Service Excellence MeM.Bourne Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Or M. Henderson Venue: Windsor Hotel Dr A. Griffin Cost: $25 per participant QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Date: November 1988

Ms C. Macaulay Course: Introduction to PC's Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $350 per participant

MrF. Browne Course: "C" Programming Provider: Management Training Education Venue: MTE, Queen St, Melbourne Cost $695 per participant Date: December 1988

Mr P. Jose Course: Problem Solving & Decision Making Provider: Public Service Board, Victoria Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $150 per participant Date: November 1988

MrR. Emslie Course: Managing People for Performance Provider: Public Service Board, Victoria Venue: Ministry of Education, Rialto Towers Cost: $360 per participant Date: March 1989

Mr D. MacDonald Course: Using a Personal Computer for Better Management MrP.Jose Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $400 per participant Date: March 1989

Ms A. Congleton Course: National Accountants in Government Mr L. Haylock Convention Venue: Melbourne Cost: $280 per participant Date: April 1989

Ms A. Congleton Course: The Human Resources Challenge Mr L. Haylock Provider: Longman Professional Venue: Chaucers Canterbury Convention Centre Cost: $595 per participant Date: May 1989

MrW.McCann Course: Chief Executive Forum - Industrial Relations & Productivity in the Public Service Provider: Public Service Board Venue: The Regent Hotel Cost: $25 per participant Date: May 1989 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Staff Development and Training Programs Attended - 1989-90 Financial Year

MrG. Twomey Course: Using a PC for Better Management Provider: Public Service Board of Victoria Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $400 per participant Date: July 1989 (2 days)

Ms D. Jeans Course: Financial Skills for Program Managers Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Monash Centre, Exhibition Street, Melbourne Cost: $800 per participant Date: November 1989 (8 days)

Mr R. Harris Course: Intro to Project Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $320 per participant Date: July 1989

MrK. Egan Course: Program Evaluation Provider: Public Service Board Venue: University of Melbourne - Centre for Policy Evaluation Cost: $250 per participant Date: August 1989 (2 days)

MrP. Jose Course: Policy development, Process and Techniques Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $300 per participant Date: August 1989

MrM. Byrne Course: Introduction to PCs MrC. Arnold Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost $400 per participant Date: August/Sept 1989 (2 days)

MrM. Bourne Course: Senior Executives Forum - New perspectives for Industrial Relations Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Hyatt Hotel, Melbourne Cost: $25 per participant Date: October 1989

MrG. Twomey Course: Management of Information Technology Provider: Royal Australian Institute of Public Administration Venue: Melbourne Cost: $125 per participant Date: October 1989 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Mr C. McIntyre Course: Introduction to Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $500 per participant Date: November 1989 (5 days)

MrG. Twomey Course: Introduction to Lotus 1-2-3 Provider: Victorian Government Computing Service Venue: Victorian Government Computing Service, Melbourne Cost: $350 per participant Date: December 1989 (2 days)

MrM. Bourne Course: Snr Executives Forum - Turning around an MrB. Esplin organisation MrK. Egan Provider: Public Service Board MrM. Thomas Venue: Victoria Hotel Or M. Henderson Cost: $25 per participant Date: November 1989

Mr J. Ferguson Course: Information Technology Program Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $200 per participant Date: December 1989

Mr L. Haylock Course: Negotiation Skills Workshop Provider: Charles BrOOley & Associates Venue: Management House, St Kilda Cost: $450 per participant Date: December 1989

MrP. Wilson Course: Intro to Pes Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $350 per participant Date: January 1990

MrP. Dyer Course: Managing Conflicting Pressures Provider: Melbourne Business School Ltd Venue: Melb Business School Cost: $825 per participant Date: February 1990 (3 days)

MrK. Egan Course: Government & the Public Service MrD. Young Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $400 per participant Date: February 1990 (2 days)

Ms R. Frances Course: Performance indicators and program evaluation Provider: La Trobe University QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Venue: La Trobe University, Bundoora Cost: $70 per participant Date: March 1990

MrM. Boume Course: Creating a Service Culture Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $535 per participant Date: Feb/March 1990 (4 days)

MrT. Rakusz Course: Financial Skills for Program Managers Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $855 per participant Date: March 1990 (8 days)

MrP. Dyer Course: Intro to PCs Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $200 per participant Date: March 1990

Mr F. Gunewardene Course: Intro to Lotus 1-2-3 Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $400 per participant Date: May 1990

Ms S. Drakopoulos Course: Intro to WordPerfect Version 5 Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $400 per participant Date: March 1990

Ms A. Congleton Course: Intro to Project Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $320 per participant Date: April 1990 (2 days)

Ms A. Spencer Course: Receptionist Enhancement Program Ms J. Delbridge Provider: Drake training Ms R. Mortimer Venue: Drake Training Melbourne MsT.Neale Cost: $150 per participant Date: MarCh 1990

Ms S. Drakopoulos Course: Advanced Word Perfect Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $200 per participant Date: March 1990 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Ms V. Theobald Course: Advanced WordPerfect Ms P. Brealey Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $400 per participant Date: April 1990 (2 days)

Ms D. Brook Course: Recruitment & Selection Techniques Provider: Institute of Personal Management Venue: Holmesglen TAPE Cost: $480 per participant Date: March 1990 (2 days)

MsB. Dodd Course: Intro to WordPerfect V5.0 Mr R. Erridge Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $400 per participant Date: March/ April 1990 (2 days)

MrG. Twomey Course: DOS Introduction Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $200 per participant Date: May 1990

MrG. Twomey Course: Advanced DOS Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $200 per participant Date: June 1990

Staff Development and Training Programs Attended -1990-91 Financial Year

Mr P. Williamson Course: Intro to Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $535 per participant Date: July 1990

MrD. Young Course: Intro to DOS Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $200 per participant Date: July 1990

Ms C. Thompson Course: WordPerfect Upgrade to 5.1 Ms J. Delbridge Provider: VICOMP Ms V. Theobald Venue: VICOMP MsT. Neale Cost: $200 per participant Ms P. Madden Date: July 1990 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Ms P. Brealey Ms R. Mortirner

Ms H. Rees Course: Policy Development: Process & Techniques Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $350 per participant Date: October 1990

Ms R. Mortirner Course: Telephone Techniques Provider: Telecom Aust Venue: Telecom Cost: $80 per participant Date: August 1990

Ms L. Kinder Course: Unfair Dismissal Seminar Ms T. McDonald Provider: Institute of Personnel Management Venue: Regent Hotel Melbourne Cost: $50 per participant Date: October 1990

Ms G. Gaetano Course: Effective Interviewing Workshop Provider: Drake Training Venue: Drake Training, Melbourne Cost: $240 per participant Date: October 1990

Mr P. Gabriel Course: Policy Development for Policy Officers Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $320 per participant Date: November 1990 (2 days)

Ms K. Hoskin g Course: Advanced WordPerfect Provider: VICOMP Venue: VICOMP Cost: $400 per participant Date: December 1990 (2 days)

Ms S. Haseloff Course: Intro to WordPerfect Provider: Drake Training Venue: Drake Training, Melbourne Cost: $460 per participant Date: November 1990 (2 days)

Ms A. Neilson Course: Receptionist Workshop Provider: Drake Training Venue: Drake Training Cost: $195 per participant Date: October 1990 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Ms V. Cormack Course: Introduction to IX)S Ms P. Madden Provider: Public Service Board MsH. Rees Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $80 per participant Date: January 1991

Me P. Jose Course: Industrial Relations for Program Managers Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $530 per participant Date: February 1991

Ms I. Dussuyer Course: Intro to WordPerfect Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $400 per participant Date: February 1991

Mr G. Johnstone Course: Alcohol & Drugs in the Workplace Seminar Provider: C'wealth Dept of Community Services & Health Venue: World Congress Centre, Melbourne Cost: $300 per participant Date: April 1991

Ms J. Krasnowski Course: WorkCare Claims Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $150 per participant Date: March 1991

Ms T. McDonald Course: Industrial Relations at Work Me T. Rakusz Provider: Dept of Industrial Relations Venue: Parkroyal Hotel Cost: $SO per participant Date: March 1991

Me F. Gunewardene Course: Major Urban Emergency Workshop Provider: Aust. Counter Disaster College Venue: ACDC, Mount Macedon Cost: Nil Date: March 1991

Me P. Gabriel Course: Aust. Disaster & Emergency Management Conference Provider: Institute of Engineers Australia Venue: Sydney, NSW Cost: $S4O per participant Date: March 1991

MeT. Rakusz Course: Policy Development Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Cost: $540 per participant Date: March 1991 (3 days)

Ms P. Thurgood Course: Domestic Violence Forum - NSW Provider: NSW Government Venue: NSW Cost: Nil Date: March 1991

Ms E. McMillan Course: Crime Prevention - A National Overview Mr R. Staley Provider: Aust. Institute of Criminology Ms I. Dussuyer Venue: Terrace Hotel, Adelaide Cost: $600 per participant Date: June 1991

Ms E. McMillan Course: The Changing Face of Audit Provider: RAIPA Venue: Windsor Hotel, Melbourne Cost: $40 per participant Date: May 1991

Mr B. Colcott Course: Protective Behaviours Ms K. Sheedy Provider: Monash University MsK. Alder Venue: Monash University Ms B. Mountjouris Cost: $185 per participant Mr R. Staley Date: April 1991

Mr R. Watson Course: Policy Development Mr P. Gabriel Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $380 per participant Date: June 1991

Ms K. Hosking Course: Intro to Pagemaker Mr B. Colcott Provider: Practical Software Ms P. Brealey Venue: Practical Software, Melbourne MsJ.Murray Cost: $300 per participant Ms J. Delbridge Date: June 1991 MsP.Madden

Ms P. Thurgood Course: Sex Industry & Public Policy Conference Provider: Aust. Institute of Criminology Venue: Canberra Rex Hotel Cost: $525 per participant Date: Mayl991

Ms I. Dussuyer Course: Acting Strategically MrD. Young Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $750 per participant Date: May 1991 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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MrD. Young Course: Project Management Provider: Public Service Board Venue: Public Service Board Cost: $320 per participant Date: June 1991 Victoria Police Victoria Police attended 120 courses during the last financial year involving 7673 police members; 111 of these were internal courses. The time and resources required to provide the information in full cannot be justified. Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board The time and resources required to provide the requested information cannot be justified. Country Fire Authority The time and resources required to provide the requested information cannot be justified. Victoria State Emergency Service The time and resources required to provide the requested information cannot be justified.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - CORRECfIONS

(Question No. 1170) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Corrections: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, whether he will disclose the cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue? Mr SAND ON (Minister for Corrections) - The answer is: It is not possible to answer the honourable member's question as the time and resources necessary to obtain and process the information would be inordinate. Specifically the information is either not readily available and a portion of the information would be contained in documents which are not primarily related to training. The collection of all such documents would require substantial workup as records are held Statewide. Whilst the information clearly exists in a diversity of records the analysis and collation of such information is not possible.

TRAINING AND SELF-DEVELOPMENT - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 1176) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration, whether he will disclose the cost and nature of all training and self-development programs in which officers have participated since 1 July 1985, giving, in each case - (a) particulars of the training or self-development program; (b) the provider; (c) the cost; (d) the participants; and (e) the venue? Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: In relation to the Department of School Education the preparation of a complete answer to this question would require an extensive manual search of records, for which the time and resources are not available. All records prior to 1989 have been archived. Information for the Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Board (VCAB) for the period since 1 July 1988 is detailed in the following table. Information for the period 1 July 1985 to 1 July 1988 is not readily available as the documentation has been archived and is not located at the offices of VCAB QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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AGENCY - VICTORIAN CURRICULUM AND ASSESSMENT BOARD 1990-91

P ARTICIP ANT /S PARTICULARS OF PROGRAMS PROVIDER OF PROGRAM VENUE COST

Chief Administrator RAIP A State Conference - Improving Service Royal Australian Institute of Public Mayfair Crest Hotel, Brisbane $220 Delivery to Oients in the Public Sector Administration Project Manager x 2 Introduction to project management Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $320 VCE Administrative Soft- Novell Networks 1 - computer program Swinburne College of T AFE Swinbume T AFE $800 ware Systems Officers x 2 Infonnation Technology Novell Networks 1 - computer program Swinburne College of T AFE Swinburne T AFE $400 Field of Study Manager Production Staff x 4 Proofreading course Fred Pryor Seminars Inc. Southern Cross Hotel, $500 Melbourne Media Liaison Officer Introduction to personal computers Public Service Board of Victoria Macarthur Street, East $400 Melbourne Director, Corporate RAIPA - Seminar - Administration Royal Australian Institute of Public Melbourne $20 Relations Administration Desktop Publishing OfficerTypographical, Design and Layout Course Melbourne College of Printing 603 Queensberry Street, East $312 Melbourne Inquiries Officer Communication skills for client services Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $160 Librarian Communication skills for client services Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $160 Finance Manager andt Lotus 1-2-3 advanced course Practical Software Pty Ltd 499 St Kilda Road, Melbourne $900 Project Manager VCE Administrative Soft- Introduction to DOS Council of Adult Education Flinders Street, Melbourne $400 ware System Manager Personnel Manager Human resource planning seminar Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $320 Team Leader, Registration Introduction to management Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $535 Word Processing Word processing courses-WordPerfect Triumph Adler Normanby Road, South $3600 Operators x 12 training update courses Melbourne Public Relations Manager How to supervise people seminar Inform Seminars Southern Cross Hotel, $195 Melbourne Clerical Officer Word processing course - WordPerfect Triumph Adler Normanby Road, South $175 training course Melbourne

AGENCY - VICTORIAN CURRICULUM AND ASSESSMENT BOARD 1989-90

PARTICIPANT /S PARTICULARS OF PROGRAMS PROVIDER OF PROGRAM VENUE COST

Desktop Publishing Officer Introduction to Ventura - desktop publishing Business Resolutions 1197Glenhuntly Road, $499 system Glenhuntly Receptionist Communication skills for client services Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $160 Budget and Financial Program budgeting seminar Australian Society of Accountants World Congress Centre, Melb. $245 Planning Officer Chairperson 'Handling the Media' training course Roger Fry and Co. 126 Wellington Parade, East $1200 Melbourne Librarian AUSINET introductory training course Ferntree Information 310 Ferntree Gully Road, $125 Oayton

Desktop Publishing Advanced training on Ventura - Business Resolutions 1197 Glenhuntly Road, $499 Operator desktop publishing system Glenhuntly VCE Administrative Soft- Personal computer applications and MS [X)S Footscray College of TAFE Footscray College of TAPE $275 ware System Officer training course QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Personnel Manager Coming to Grips with WorkCare--e course for Australian Chamber of Melbourne $200 WorkCare compensation administrators Manufaclun!S Public Relations Manager 'Handling the Media' training COUI'IM!8 Roger Fry and Co. 126 Wellington Parade, East $2200 and Chairperson Melbourne Senior Management x 3 TlJI\e management and presentation Australian Institute of Management VCAB Offices $3668 techniques training course Office Manager DBase ID and Module 2-<011\puter 80ftware Inskill Ltd Lydiard Street South, Ballarat $140 system Technology Studies Project Technical and further education workshop Melbourne College of Textiles Cumberland Road, Pascoe Vale $60 Officer Director, Corporate Relations:Handling the Media' training course Roger Fry and Co. 126 Wellington Parade, East $2200 General Manager, Programs Melbourne Budget and Financial Plan-Senior finance officers program - productivity Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $300 ning Officer improvement Wordprocessor Operator VICOMP trainins course - computer software Government Services Division Lygon St, Brunswick $400 pacbge Project Manager Information technology tIeII1inar -expert Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne S55 systems General Manager, Industrial relations program Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $450 Programs Personnel Manager Counselling skills for managers Australian Institute of Management Melbourne $23S Project Manager 4th Dimension training course - computer Softies Pty Ltd Melbourne $300 software program Wordproc::essor Operator VICOMP trainins course - computer software Government Services Division Lygon St, Brunswick $800 and Cerical Officer package Personnel Manager DBASE ID plus (introduction) -computer Technisearch Ltd Swanston St, Melbourne $395 software program Chairperson Chief administrators seminar Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $25 Librarian General inquiry and adding holdings - Library Caval Ltd Caval Office, Camberwell $265 services seminars (2 couna) Personnel Cerical Officer WorkCare claims management course Australian Chamber of Melbourne $130 Manufactun!S Team Leader-HSC Leadership/staff relations skills course Council of Adult Education Flinders St, Melbourne $140 Maintenance Program Project Manager Effective management skills and effective Chisholm Institute of Technology Chisholm, Caulfield $725 time management (2 COUI'IM!8) Word Proc::essors x 2 Training for WordPerfect word processing Triumph Ad\er Normanby Road, South $350 course Melbourne Administrative Officers x 2 Leadership program Hawthorn Professional Hawthorn Institute of S40 Development Centre Education. Hawthorn Project Manager Project management program Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $150 Computins Staff x 3 Computer systems course Concurrent Computer Australia St Kilda Road, Melbourne $2365 Word Processing Training for WordPerfect word processing Triumph Ad\er Normanby Road, South S500 Operators x 3 course Melbourne Cerical Officers x 2 Communication skills foe client services Public Service Board of Victoria State Taxation Office, $260 Lonsdale Street, Melbourne Public Relations Manager Marketing Your Services trainins _ion Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $225 Chairperson Chief administrator's seminar Public Service Board of Victoria Melbourne $20 Clerical Officer VICOMP training course -computer lIOltware Dept of Property and Services Government Services Division. $400 pilCbge East Melbourne Printing Operator Printins machine operator training program AM International Scoresby $100 Cerical Officer Basic typing course Centre for Community and Industry Chadstone $110 Programs Wordproc:essing Operator Training for WordPerfect word processing Triumph Ad\er Normanby Road, South $175 course Melbourne Librarian Special libraries workshop Ministry of Education Rialto Towers, Melbourne $60 Public Relations Manager Public relations &eminar Public Relations Institute of Hyatt on Coli ins, Melbourne $76 and Media Liaison Officer Australia (Victoria) Project Officer 4th Dimension advanced workshop - Montech Pty Ltd Monash University, Cayton $495 computer software program Computins staff x 2 Performance monitoring course - computer Concurrent Computer Australia St Kilda Road, Melbourne $1990 software program QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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ELECTORAL ENROLMENTS

(Question No. 1184) Mr GA VIN (Coburg) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of each of the 88 new Legislative Assembly electoral districts, whether he will provide the electoral enrolment details as at 30 September 1991, indicating the variation in each since 15 June 1990? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: It is my understanding that the Electoral Commissioner has provided you with the enrolment figures, as at 24 October 1991, for the electoral districts created by the 1990-91 redivision. It is not possible to indicate the variation in the enrolment figures for the electoral districts since 15 June 1990 because the current electoral districts were not established until after the 1990-91 redivision, which took place after 15 June 1990. That is to say, the electoral districts in existence as at 15 June 1990 are now no longer in existence and any comparison of enrolment figures prior and subsequent to the redivision is therefore invalid.

SUNBURY-BULLA ROAD ACCIDENT STATISTICS

(Question No. 1185) Mr GA VIN (Coburg) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: Whether he will provide the accident statistics for the Sunbury-Bulla Road for each of the past ten years? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Road collisions between Tullamarine airport and Sunbury Year Severity Total 1987 Fatal 2 Injury 13 Non-Injury 23 =38 1988 Fatal Injury 16 Non-Injury 12 =29 1989 Fatal Injury 24 Non-Injury 30 =55 1990 Fatal 3 Injury 26 Non-Injury 25 =54 1991 Fatal 3 Injury 13 Non-Injury 23 =39 215

Road collisions between Sunbury and Bulla townships 1987 Fatal 1 Injury 8 Non-Injury 10 = 19 1988 Fatal 1 Injury 12 Non-Injury 8 = 21 1989 Fatal Injury 16 Non-Injury 18 =35 1990 Fatal 3 Injury 24 Non-Injury 20 =47 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1991 Fatal 3 Injury 10 Non-Injury 20 =33 155 Information prior to 1987 is not recorded on the computerised Traffic Accident Information System.

SPECIAL DAY OFF - HEALTH

(Question No 1191) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of the special day off on 30 December 1990: 1. Whether the financial consequences for public hospitals were addressed and under what circumstances was the department advised of the decision to grant this holiday? 2. Whether the Minister or the department liaised with the Department of Labour over this decision and the financial consequences for public hospitals? 3. Whether the department made any inquiries or investigated internally or with hospitals the financial consequences for public hospitals? 4. Whether the department addressed the financial consequences when it requested or directed public hospitals to comply with the decision? 5. Whether a refusal to compensate public hospitals for the additional wages incurred is in accordance with the health service agreements (under the Health Services Act 1988)? 6. Whether the Minister or her department considered the wider implications of the effect on health service agreements by a refusal to compensate public hospitals for the additional wages incurred? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: 1. Health Department Victoria was formally advised by Ministerial circular from the Minister for Labour received on 19 November 1990 that the government had declared Monday, 31 December 1990 as a special day off in the public sector - not 30 December 1990. The advice specifically stated that staff required to work on that day would not attract public holiday penalty rates but would be granted equivalent time off for ordinary hours worked on that day. 2. At the request of the Department of Labour, Health Department Victoria had previously provided that department with an estimate of costs associated with the possible granting of additional public holidays on Monday 24 and Monday 31 December 1990 based on the public holiday benefits applying for both days. 3. Health Department Victoria made an estimate of the potential financial impact associated with the granting of public holidays on 24 and 31 December 1990 using its own internal hospital staffing and financial data. 4. The department advised agencies on 21 November 1990 of the government's decision to declare 31 December 1990 a special day off in the public sector, in the terms of the advice received on the government's decision. It was considered that substantial savings would be achieved if one special day off was granted without any provision for payment of holiday penalty rates rather than granting two additional holidays as had traditionally occurred when Christmas Day or New Year's Day fell on Tuesday. The special day off was granted on the basis that 31 December could be taken off or equivalent time off in lieu granted if employees were required to work on the day. As the day did not attract any public holiday penalty rates, it was proposed that appropriate rostering would allow for implementation at no, or minimal, cost to the health budget. 5. & 6. The standard clauses included in health service agreements provide the opportunity for agencies to renegotiate relevant parts in the agreements where changes in government policy affect their budgets. On this occasion the government granted the special day off or alternate equivalent time off to provide a sufficient basis for agencies to institute flexible management of work rosters with little or no additional costs. Support for the concept of health services agreements within the health system remains extremely strong and they are recognised as representing an excellent management and accountability tool.

SPECIAL DAY OFF - DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR

(Question No 1192) Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) asked the Minister for Labour: In respect of the special day off on 30 December 1990: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1. Whether the deparbnent was asked to prepare a submission or position paper on this for the Minister or the Cabinet? 2. Whether the financial consequence of the special day off was considered in such a process? 3. Whether there was any liaison between his deparbnent and Health Deparbnent Victoria on the financial consequences to public hospitals of the decision to grant this holiday? Mr POPE (Minister for Labour) - The answer is: 1. Papers were prepared for the Industrial Relations Task Force Cabinet Subcommittee. 2. Yes. The financial consequences of the special day off were considered in that process. 3. There was liaison with Health Deparbnent Victoria in respect of financial consequences for public hospitals, costing details being ascertained on the basis of the traditional practice of granting additional public holidays.

CHILD ABUSE

(Question No. 1193) Mr JOHN (Bendigo East) asked the Minister for Community Services: In respect of each year since 1982, how many cases of child abuse were - (a) reported to Community Services Victoria; and (b) successfully prosecuted by police? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: (a) The number of referrals of suspected child abuse and neglect were: Year Authorised agency Total referrals 1981-82 Children's Protection Society 2290 1982-83 Children's Protection Society 3461 1983-84 Children's Protection Society 3955 1984-85 Children's Protection Society 5 040 1985-86 Children's Protection Society 5224 (Up to October 1985, child protection was the responsibility of the Children,s Protection Society). 1986-87 CSV 7 448 1987-88 CSV 8 085 1988-89 CSV 9450 1989-90 CSV 11499 1990-91 CSV 14000 (b) Number of successful prosecutions by police 1982-1991: There is currently no systematic departmental or interdeparbnental method in existence to measure the number of child abuse prosecutions made by police and their outcome. This problem is primarily one of lack of recording beyond case files by both Community Services Victoria and the police. A recent study conducted by the Protective Services Branch of Community Services Victoria identified that of the sexual abuse cases report to CSV there are approximately 1 in 30 sexual abuse cases where the perpetrator of the abuse was prosecuted by police. Additionally, the Child Exploitation Unit surveyed a small sample of child abuse cases reported to the police and found that approximately 7 per cent of sexual abuse cases reach prosecution stage. Further that the majority of these are prosecuted because of admission by the perpetrator and hence a high conviction rate.

INTER-COUNTRY ADOPTIONS

(Question No 1194) Mr JOHN (Bendigo East) asked the Minister for Community Services: In respect of each year since 1982, how many inter-country adoptions were approved in Victoria? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: The numbers of inter-country adoption placements which have been legalised in the County Court of Victoria are given below, set out in statistical years: 1982-83 13 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1983-84 19 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1984-85 21 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1985-86 29 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1986-87 37 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1987-88 33 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1988-89 51 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1989-90 75 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. 1990-91 105 adoption orders were granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements. Up to 31 December 1991 there had been 36 adoption orders granted in the County Court in respect of inter-country adoption placements for the year 1991-92. A total of 419 inter-country adoption placements were legalised in the County Court from 1 July 1982 to 31 December 1991.

INTER~OUNTRY ADOPTIONS

(Question No 1196) Mr JOHN (Bendigo East) asked the Minister for Community Services: How many approved adoptive parents are awaiting the allocation of a child under the Community Services Victoria inter-country adoption program, indicating how long each applicant has been waiting since first making application? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: The number of approved adoptive parents awaiting the allocation of a child and the approximate number of months they have been waiting since making application to adopt an overseas child are set out in the table below. A table of those couples awaiting allocation appears below and the couple's name is denoted by a number. The waiting time is approximate and shown in months. ICAS files awaiting allocation of a child as at 31.12.91 File Date of Application Waiting Time in Months (approx)

1 25.8.87 50 2 17.11.88 36 3 20.5.89 30 4 11.12.87 47 5 27.4.87 54 6 10.2.89 33 7 17.10.88 37 8 23.2.87 56 9 28.11.86 59 10 16.6.88 41 11 22.12.88 34 12 12.7.88 40 13 15.12.89 23 14 7.6.88 41 15 27.10.88 37 16 4.1.89 34 17 1.11.88 36 18 1.9.88 38 19 2.5.88 42 20 29.9.87 49 21 22.4.88 42 22 21.4.88 42 23 8.7.87 52 24 10.6.87 53 25 19.11.87 48 26 11.2.88 45 27 7.8.89 27 28 27.8.87 50 29 12.11.87 48 30 5.10.88 37 31 8.2.89 33 32 18.4.89 31 33 2.3.88 44 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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34 7.1.88 46 35 13.11.89 24 36 10.3.87 56 37 10.2.89 33 38 26.4.88 42 39 13.3.87 56 40 16.12.88 35 41 21.4.88 42 42 12.4.88 42 43 26.4.88 42 44 22.12.87 46 45 3.5.88 42 46 16.4.86 67 47 29.8.86 62 48 1.8.85 76· 49 22.7.89 29 50 10.7.90 17 51 18.11.88 37 52 22.4.88 44 53 6.5.91 7 54 26.6.87 54·· applicants deferred for 25 months. applicants approved for 2 children, 1 child placed now waiting for second child.

MORGAN RESEARCH CONSULTANCY - CONSUMER AFFAIRS

(Question No. 1202) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services, for the Minister for Consumer Affairs: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Roy Morgan Research Centre Pty Ltd for the department to conduct a face-to-face survey of 1500 residents of caravan parks in Victoria: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $73 800; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/shave been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/ final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Community Affairs is: 1. (a) The consultancy commenced on 14.8.91. (b) The original planned duration was ten weeks. (c) The completion date for the consultancy was 23.10.91. 2. (a) The project began two days late and was completed three days after the planned dates. (b) The completion date was extended slightly following a lack of cooperation of some caravan park owners/managers. Additional parks were then approached to fulfil the sample quotas which required the consultant to extend the interviewing period from four to six weeks. The consultant was able to make up some of this two-week extension in the data input phase of the project. (c) The extension was approved by the Caravan Park Survey Reference Group chaired by Pamela Williams, Assistant Director, Development Division. 3. The contractual price is $73 BOO. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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4. Progress payments Date Amount 3.10.91 $18450 10.10.91 $18450 24.10.91 $18450 14.11.91 $18450 Total $73800 5. The qualifications of the consultants are as follows: Gary C. Morgan - B. Comm, Mathematics and Economics; Member, American Marketing Association; Member, European Society for Opinion and Market Research; Member, World Association of Public Opinion Research. Norman Woodcock-MAIM. Judith Rex-BA (Melbourne), Mathematics, Statistics. Angela TurreU-BA (Melbourne), Mathematics, Economics, Geography, Dip.Ed. Suvinder Sawhney-BE (Mechanical), Diploma in Computer Science. See attachment for breakdown of costs. 6. The consultant interviewed 1392 long-term caravan park residents across Victoria. 7. The research brief specified 1500 interviews across Victoria. However, the consultant encountered opposition from some caravan park owners/managers, resulting in an extension of the interview phase of the project to fill the sample quotas. A mail-out (thank you letter and summary report) to respondents, owners and managers was proposed and further cross-tabulations have been requested altering the original terms of the consultancy. The total cost of the mail out is $2408 and the total cost of the additional cross-tabulations is $292. 8. The consultant has provided the Ministry with the results of the survey. The date of the consultant's report is 23.10.91.

THE ROY MORGAN RESEARCH CENTRE PTY LID Ms Andrea Beel Ministry of Consumer Affairs 500 Bourke Street MELBOURNE VIC 3000

Dear Andrea, Re: Survey of Caravan Park Residents This letter responds to your request for a breakdown of the components of our fee for a sample of 1500 interviews.

Components of the Fee 1. Consultancy (questionnaire design, management, field management) $9600 2. Pilot survey costs (total of 15 interviews divided between one metropolitan and one country caravan park) including debrief $1200 3. Fieldwork (1500 interviews, travel time, call backs) $37200 4. Data processing (coding, punching, data tape, two copies of laser printed computer tables) $19580 5. Printing (questionnaires), preparation and postage/courier $3420 6. Contact of park owners/managers (letters and phone calls) $2800 $73800 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further queries.

With kind regards,

Norman Woodcock, General Manager

MILLER SIMON CONSULTANCY -SCHOOL EDUCATION

(Question No 1204) Mr PERTON {Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Miller Simon and Associates Pty Ltd for the department to "assist in evaluating possible solutions to human resource system needs": 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $66 660; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/final findings, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: 1. (a) The consultancy commenced on 15 July 1991. (b) The original planned completion date was 31 October 1991. (c) The consultancy was completed on 27 November 1991. 2. (a) The duration of the consultancy was extended by eighteen working days. (b) & (c) (i) At the project reference group meeting on 6 September 1991 the planned completion date was extended to 19 November 1991 because of illness of one of the consultants which affected an earlier phase and more detailed planning of later phases. The extension was proposed by the project team and accepted by the reference group chaired by the General Manager, Resource Management Division. (ii) The planned completion date was extended to 27 November 1991 because more time was needed to obtain indicative costings from hardware vendors to supplement the registration of interest responses submitted by application software vendors. The extension was proposed by the project team and was ratified by the reference group on 11 November 1991. 3. The contractual price is fixed at a maximum of $66 660. The agreement between the Minister and the consultants has change control clauses providing for possible additional payment but these have not been invoked. 4. (a) & (b) The following payments have been made to the consultants. The date specified is the date on which the respective invoice was certified for payment: $18510.80 on 5 August 1991; $20146.60 on 5 September 1991; $ 9633.95 on 4 October 1991; $ 8 318.65 on 15 November 1991; and $10050.00 on 9 December 1991. 5. Mc Alan Miller is a principal of Miller Simon and Associates. He is a highly experienced management consultant specialising in information technology and has gained specialist competence in undertaking strategic reviews for major organisations in both the public and private sectors. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Mr Mel King is the principal of Infohrm Consulting Services and is a subcontractor to Miller Simon and Associates for the department's project. He is a specialist in human resource management systems (HRMS). 6. Fifty people attended one of three diagnostic/planning workshops. Forty-two people participated in one or more of a series of group interviews based on modules of a conceptual model of an HRMS. 7. There is a formal agreement specifying the terms and conditions of the consultancy and incorporating the invitation to prospective consultants and the proposal of the successful consultants. In summary, the purpose of the consultancy is to assess the possibility of finding a packaged solution to the department's HRMS needs, to estimate the costs and benefits and risks of such a solution and hence to enable senior management to decide whether to proceed with later stages of the project. There has been no alteration to the terms of the consultancy other than the extension of the duration covered in the answer to question 2. 8. The consultants, with departmental assistance, produced a registration of interest document dated September 1991 specifying broadly the department's requirements of an HRMS. This was advertised and distributed to interested parties on 17 September 1991 and is available as a public document. The consultants, with departmental assistance, produced a final report on the HRMS feasibility study dated November 1991. The report is classified as "commercial in confidence".

GREY ADVERTISING CONSULTANCY -FINANCE

(Question No. 1205) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Grey Advertising with Beveridge Cummings and Hill Knowlton for the Ministry to provide advertising market research and public relation services for the voter information campaign for the next State election: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $1 965 236; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/ s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: No voter information services will be provided for the Ministry of Finance. These services will be provided for the State Electoral Office (SEO) for the next State election. The SEO became an independent administrative unit pursuant to Schedule Three A of the Public Service Act 1974 on 1 January 1989. The Electoral Commissioner advises me as follows: 1. The contract with Grey Advertising for voter information campaign services, which includes public relations and market research services to be provided, respectively, by Hill and Knowlton Australia Pty Ltd and Beveridge and Cummings Pty Ltd was signed on 8 October 1991. Under this contract, the advertising, public relations and market research services covered by the contract were deemed to have commenced on 8 October also. This agreement to provide voter information campaign services will end after the next State election, on the date an evaluation report to be prepared in the State Electoral Office is handed to the Electoral Commissioner. 2. The Tender Board approved Grey Advertising's tender for the provision of voter information campaign services on 5 July 1991. The duration of the agreement with Grey Advertising has not been altered since that date. 3. The total cost of Grey Advertising's tender was $1 965 236. 4. No progress payments have been made to Grey Advertising. 5. The total fee to be paid to Grey Advertising personnel working on the campaign is $150 500. Hill and Knowlton Australia Pty Ltd will be paid a total of $11 664 for their public relations services, and Beveridge and Cwnmings Pty Ltd will be paid a total of $31 497 for their market research services. The balance of the tender costs payable comprise advertising placements, production costs and agency service fees. Grey Advertising has experience with several previous SEO voter information campaigns, including the information campaign for the 1988 State election. Grey Advertising has also won a number of other government contracts. Hill and Knowlton also has a number of major Australian companies as clients. Beveridge and Cwnmings has an extensive list of clients, including major Australian businesses and government bodies. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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6. No interviewing has been done. 7. There has not been any alteration to the tenns of the agreement with Grey advertising since its tender was approved by the Tender Board on 5 July 1991. 8. There have not been any reports produced. The honourable member should direct any further queries to the Electoral Commissioner.

ANDERSEN CONSULTANCY -FINANCE

(Question No. 1206) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Andersen Consulting for the Minister to develop a prototype financial management control system: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $171 600; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original tenns of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the tenns of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: 1. (a) The consultancy commenced on 15 April 1991. (b) The planned duration of the consultancy was eight weeks. (c) The consultancy was completed on 7 June 1991. 2. The consultancy was not extended. 3. The contractual price was $169 000. 4. Payment was in full after the consultancy was completed. 5. The consultants were experienced in the computer technology platform selected for the system development, namely, Ingres Windows 4GL on IBM ADC The consultants were paid on a flXed price quote of $169000 to deliver the product application, not on an hourly / daily rate. 6. The consultants interviewed a range of senior managers in my Ministry and the Treasury. 7. The original terms of the consultancy for the prototype were to provide the following deliverables: (1) A fully detailed, documented and agreed specification at data element level of the information to be accessible to managers through the computer application. (2) Identification and documentation of the source of each data element within Treasury's existing systems which is relevant to the computer application. (3) A working prototype of an executive information system demonstrating its user interface including screen menus and formats. The purpose of the prototype was to confirm that the application as it was proposed to be implemented would meet users' requirements. The prototype was to include the development of a working module accessing "live" data. (4) Confirmation of the suitability of the proposed proprietary software to be used, or agreement on an alternative, and specification of information presentation formats. 8. The outcome of the consultancy was a prototype computer application and a project management report dated July 1991 documenting the findings from the project, the key technical issues associated with moving forward and the recommendations for next steps. Also a work plan and indicative costs for the next stage were provided. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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J. B. WERE CONSULTANCY -FINANCE

(Question No. 1207) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance: In respect of a consultancy conducted by J. B. Were and Son for the Ministry for stockbroking advice regarding equity trusts: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $50 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/sand the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer is: 1. (a) The consultancy commenced on 21 May 1991. (b) Planned duration of the consultancy was two weeks. (c) It was completed on 14 June 1991. 2. The consultancy was not extended. 3. The contractual price was not to exceed $30 000 and was a component of a larger consultancy bid, part of which did not proceed. 4. (a) $25 675 was paid on completion of the consultancy. 5. (a) J. B. Were and Sons are leading Melbourne stockbrokers. (b) The hourly fee for the consultants was as follows: Executive $300 an hour Senior Executive $350 an hour 6. The consultants did not conduct any formal interviews in association with the consultancy. 7. It was a condition of the consultancy that "all matters remain strictly confidential between my Ministry and J. B. Were and Son". 8. The consultants' findings were presented on 14 June in a strictly private and confidential report.

DELOITTE ROSS TOHMATSU CONSULTANCY - PLANNING AND HOUSING

(Question No. 1209) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Planning and Housing: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Deloitte Ross Tohmatsu for the department to review the efficiency and effectiveness of Housing Commission Victoria and its capacity to met present and future client needs: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $140 500; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/sand the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s1 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so -what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr McCUTCHEON (Minister for Planning and Housing) - The answer is: 1. The Deloitte Ross Tohmatsu (DRT) consultancy commenced on 29 July 1991 for a planned duration of fourteen weeks. An interim report is now expected in mid to late November 1991. 2. This department is seeking an extension of the consultancy until the end of January 1992. This has occurred largely due to an increasing awareness of the potential impact of a number of external issues. These include: The National Housing Strategy which has been initiated by the Deputy Prime Minister has raised. a wide range of issues which are separate but interlink with the functional review. The Special Premiers Conference process has initiated a functional review of housing which has potentially significant implications for our funding under the Commonwealth State Housing Agreement (CSHA). There is a heightened focus on commercialisation and corporatisation, within both the State and Federal governments. These issues have potentially major implications for the long-term strategic directions of Housing and Construction Victoria (HCV) and for the Department of Planning and Housing (DPH). Within the department, the consultancy extension has been approved by the chief executive, Mr Alan Thompson, subject to ERC approval. 3. The contractual price for the initial consultancy is $120 000 plus expenses. The price for the extension is $63 700 plus expenses. 4. DRT was paid the sum of $47 000 on 7 October 1991 as progress payment. 5. The qualifications of the consultants and daily fees are: Paul Lee, BA, MBA, at $1200 per day. Ian Gaudion, BA, MA, at $1500 per day. Alan Griffiths, BSc, MSc, at $997 per day. Russell Rogers, BSc, MBA, at $997 per day Mike Lisle-Williams, BSc, MA, DPhil. at $1500 per day Bill Norfolk, BSc, at $997 per day. Ian Todd, BA, at $997 per day. 6. To date the consultants have on a number of occasions undertaken discussions with: Minister for Planning and Housing. Director-General, Planning and Housing. Chief Executive, Housing and Construction Victoria. All divisional directors. All zone managers. Group Manager, T AFE and Schools. Group Manager, Building Services. Group Manager, New Building. Group Manager, Property and Improvement. Group Manager, Strategic Planning. Group Manager, Program Development and Review. Group Manager, Housing Analysis. Group Manager, Finance. Group Manager, Information Services. Group Manager, Errs. Group Manager, Personnel and Administration. Group Manager, Housing Finance. All zonal housing services managers. All zonal technical services managers. All zonal resources managers. Manager, Financial Planning and Budgets. Manager, Corporate Accounting Services. Manager, Business Planning. Manager, Stock Planning. Manager, Internal Audit. Branch Manager, Community Housing Branch. Branch Manager, Public Rental Policy Branch. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Stock Planner - West Zone. Stock Planner - East Zone. VPSA Section President. VPSA Deparbnental Section Vice-President. Area housing managers. Meetings have also been held with external stakeholders and community group representatives including: The Executive Director, Master Builders Association. General Manager, Resources Coordinator, Ministry of Education and Training. Convenor, Public Tenants Union. Project Officer, Public Tenants Union. Country Officer, Public Tenants Union. Director, Building and Services, Attorney-General's Deparbnent. Executive Officer, Regional Housing Council. As a part of the external scanning process, other State housing and public works organisations were contacted as well as the relevant Federal agencies. 7. The original terms of the consultancy are spelt out in the project brief which is attached. The proposed extension notwithstanding, these terms have not changed. 8. An interim report will be completed by January 1992.

K. BUSH CONSULTANCY - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1211) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Mr King Bush for the deparbnent to assist in the analysis and interpretation of crime statistics: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the deparbnent approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $1000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: 1. (a) 1 August 1991. (b) Seven days. (c) 7 August 1991. 2. No. 3. $1000. 4. No. 5. Long experience in transport, Ministry for Police and Emergency Services and other public service areas with statistical analysis and interpretation. Hourly /daily fee assessed on basis of $50 per hour for twenty hours. 6. No interviewing involved - statistical analysis and interpretation of data provided by the Ministry. 7. Total fee of $1000 assessed on basis of twenty hours at $50 per hour. Paid in one lump sum. No other expenses. No alterations. 8. Impartial audit, and independent analysis and interpretation of data confirmed the accuracy of the data prepared by the Ministry. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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BRENTWOOD BUTLER CONSULTANTS - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1212) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Brentwood Butler Consultants Pty Ltd for the department to "provide a high level of appropriate expertise in the presentation of several management development sessions for officers of police": 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $1895; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/ s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/sand the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/ final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: 1. (a) 30 September 1991 (b) 9 hours over two days (c) 29 October 2. No. 3. The contracted price was $1895. 4. Claims for $1135 (sessions on 30 September 1991) and $760 (sessions on 29 October 1991) were paid on 20 November 1991. 5. The consultants are registered psychologists in Victoria and are also members of the Australian Institute of Management, the Institute of Personnel Management in Australia and the Institute of Management Consultants in Australia. The hourly fee was $190 plus video hire. 6. No interviews were conducted. The consultant conducted management training/development sessions. 7. The original terms of the consultancy were to conduct nine, I-hour sessions. No alterations to the terms of use were made. 8. No interim or final finding, report or recommendation was made as none was called for as part of the terms of consultancy.

M. MOORFIELD CONSULTANCY - MANUFACfURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1215) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Mr Mel Moorfield for the department to re-appoint to finalise the DMID loan portfolio conditions monitoring; to finalise the current loan portfolio debts review; to assist with the negotiation of doubtful debt provisions with the Auditor-General's representative and to advise and act as a director of government equity investments: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $32 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/s? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. (a) 8 July 1991. (b) 60 working days. (c) 27 September 1991. 2. No, it was marginally reduced. 3. The contract provided for up to 60 days consultancy at a cost of $30 000 plus expenses not exceeding $2000. 4. Yes, progress payments were made as follows: 8 August 1991 8012.76 12 September 1991 10 547.96 3 October 1991 4 847.49 Total 23408.21 5. Mr Moorfield was a senior banking executive and had considerable experience with loans management and reporting. Further he had a good understanding of the department's loan portfolio and a good working relationship with some clients, based on a prior work contract. Information regarding the daily fee is not able to be released without the consent of the consultant. 6. During the consultant's review of the loan portfolio discussions were held with case officers of DMID, and with senior and line management of clients, where additional information and clarification of financial matters were required. 7. The original terms of the consultancy were: (i) to finalise DMID loan portfolio conditions monitoring: (ii) to finalise the current loan portfolio doubtful debt review; (iii) assist with the negotiation of doubtful debts provisions with the Auditor-General's representatives; and (iv) advise and act as a director of government equity investments. The general terms of the consultancy were followed with the exception that item (iii) was not performed due to the late commencement of the Auditor-General's review. Further the consultant acted as a director of one corporate trustee company. 8. The consultant did not produce a consulting report. The work was more in the nature of a professional services contract. The consultant produced file notes of meetings with loan clients and collected financial and industry information necessary for financial analysis. Most or all of the information and memoranda provided by the consultant was provided on a commercial-in-confidence basis.

S. ROMEIKE CONSULTANCY -MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1216) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Sonja Romeike Computing Careers for the department to provide programming support for the GEDIS project: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $39 100; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/ s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so -what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. (a) Ms Romeike commenced on 17 December 1990. (b) Ms Romeike's contracted period as an analyst/programmer on the GEDIS project was for an initial period to 30 June 1991. (c) The contract was extended to 31 December 1991. Termination of Ms Romeike's services will depend on progress with the GEDIS project but is expected to occur within the current financial year. 2. (a) See the response to 1 above. (b) Ms Romeike was retained as one of the group of contract programmers working on the GEDIS project because her performance was satisfactory and her hourly rate competitive with the alternative contractors assessed. (c) The extension was approved within the department by the Acting Deputy Director-General Resources and both the initial consultancy and extension were approved by the effectiveness review committee. The extension of the contract was also approved by the Tender Board. 3. Ms Romeike's initial contract approval was $44 073 and the extension of the contract approved is $39 100. This gives a total contractual commitment to a maximum of $83 173. 4. (a) To the end of September 1991 $46 973 has been paid under the contract. (b) Invoices for Ms Romeike are submitted fortnightly. 5. Ms Romeike is an industry experienced analyst programmer with the Ingres relational database system. She has no specific formal qualifications. Ms Romeike is engaged on an hourly rate of $42.50. 6. Ms Romeike is a member of a current group of four contract analyst/programmers being used to provide limited duration programming support for development of the GEDIS group of computer systems. Ms Romeike does not conduct formal interviews. 7. The terms of Ms Romeike's contract are "to devise and write programs that satisfy the specifications for GEDIS". They have remained unchanged. 8. Ms Romeike has not and will not be making any recommendations, findings or producing reports. The product of her work is computer programs.

STOCKDALES CONSULTANCY - MANUFAcruRING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1217) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Stockdales Pty Ltd for the department to undertake an evaluation of the efficiency and effectiveness of the enterprise quality improvement program (EQUIP): 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $24 550; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualificatiOns of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/ final finding, reports or recommendationo;; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1. The consultancy commenced on 19 August 1991. The original planned duration of the consultancy was from 19 August to 21 October 1991 (the completion date). 2. The duration of the consultancy was extended until such time that the consultancy was completed to the satisfaction of the steering committee overseeing the consultancy. The steering committee approved the extension of the consultancy. 3. The contractual price of the consultancy was $24 550. 4. No progress payments have been made as at 22 November 1991. 5. Geoff Stockdale, BEc, Dip. Radio Engineering. Geoff Abbot, Dip. Electrical Engineering, Dip. Mechanical Engineering, Certificate in Production Engineering. It is not possible to release details of the daily fee for the consultants without the permission of the consultancy firm. 6. This information is considered to be commercial-in-confidence. 7. As per the consultants brief (see following information). There has not been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy as per the consultant's brief. However, the duration of the consultancy has been extended as indicated in answer to question No. 2 above. 8. Interim review reports have been prepared by the consultants (October and November 1991). The findings from these will be included in the final report, which is yet to be completed and released to the public.

DEPARTMENT OF MANUFACfURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANCY BRIEF EVALUA nON OF THE ENTERPRISE QUALITY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (EQUIP) AND REGIONAL PRODUCTIVITY GROUPS PROGRAM Delivered by the Australian Productivity Council (Victoria) Pty Ltd

Introduction As part of the Victorian government's economic policy, the Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development (the department) implements a range of facilitative programs directed towards improving the international competitiveness of Victorian firms. EQUIP and the regional productivity groups programs delivered by the Australian Productivity Council (Victoria) Pty Ltd (APC) are two of the company-level initiatives that form part of the government's overall manufacturing development strategy. The department is seeking submissions from selected consultants to undertake an evaluation of the effectiveness and efficiency of the EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program.

Background 1. APC APC was established in January 1988 following the voluntary liquidation of its parent organisation, the Australian Productivity Council, which operated for twenty years as a Commonwealth government supported "multiplier" agency. With the collapse of the national organisation, the Victorian division of the council formed into a private company with the former State director, Mc Craig Milne, becoming the managing director. The new entity retained the same staff and broad philosophical approach as the national organisation but was required to adapt to operate in a commercial environment without the benefit of substantial Commonwealth government support. The main objective of APC is to encourage firms in Australia to adopt modem productivity improvement practices which will improve their internal efficiency and hence overall competitiveness. APC's activities fall into five interrelated areas: productivity improvement and services in which the APC develops and applies practical, project-based schemes and services for business; management of technological advancement programs so that people and organisations can be informed and educated about their nature and impact; community education programs which educate and train targeted sections of the community in human skills and attitudes which encourage people to think and act positively about productivity improvement; and research in which the APC examines local and overseas methods for productivity improvement. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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To achieve its objective the APC provides a flexible package of advisory, information, evaluation, development and support services which encompass: comprehensive advice and assistance on options for productivity improvement; provision of physical and management environments to encourage and support application of modern productivity practices; and promotional activities designed to encourage successful application of productivity improvement practices. APe was contracted by the department to deliver EQUIP to twenty Victorian companies a year over the period 1988-89 -1990-91. The participating companies receive a subsidy of $7500 each, or 50 per cent of the overall cost of the program. In addition, APC was contracted by the department to deliver the regional productivity groups program over the three financial years ending 1990-91.

2. The Programs

EQUIP The principal objective of EQUIP is to raise product quality to appropriate world-competitive status as a consequence of participation in the group project. This is due to the fact that Australian manufacturing enterprises generally do not have an equal level of appreciation and expertise in the practice of quality aesthetics and control systems to that of Europe or Japan. EQUIP provides participating companies with consultancy support and training, expert advice and assistance in the areas of product design, production systems, product quality and employee involvement. Each company in the EQUIP program participates over a six to twelve-month period. EQUIP is targeted towards those companies that have export potential or are competing against imported goods. Enterprises participating in EQUIP generally exhibit the following characteristics: employment level between 30 and 150 persons; output focused on "complex value added products" where quality assessment requires subjective as well as objective evaluation; management preparedness to introduce participative practices; exposure to threat from better quality /price import combinations, and the potential to replace imports or access export markets; positive (or neutral) industrial relations environment; and location within 80 kilometres of Melbourne. In order to achieve the overall EQUIP objectives, individual company programs are built up from a selection of the following nine flexible elements of the program. These are then adapted and weighted to suit each company's needs: 1. Management Briefing and Assessment - Introduction to senior management of the content and objectives of EQUIP and an assessment by the APC of a company's suitability and commitment to productivity improvement. 2. Enterprise Awareness Seminars - All employees are informed of the objectives and format of EQUIP. 3. Production Methods Survey - Aspects of the organisation's plant layout, production methods and production control systems are examined to identify potential areas for cost reduction or improvement. 4. Product Quality Appraisal-The organisation's outputs are assessed within the aesthetic, technical and economic parameters of the program to provide product reports, supported by specific design recommendations to illustrate product deficiencies as well as the potential areas of quality improvement. 5. Organisation Definition Study - The decision-making and communication framework within an organisation are investigated using group processes and questionnaires. 6. Quality Appreciation - Employees are trained in the meaning and scope of quality as it relates to the company's product and to the company's performance. 7. Quality Team Development - Employees are trained in team skills. Team members are informed of the role and ambit of a quality team. They learn appropriate group processes by applying skills to a current company problem. 8. Quality Workshops - APC personnel join with the teams in the detailed investigation of team assignments and active problem solving. The focus of team activities is toward improved product quality, improved productivity and the application of ongoing systematic problem solving within the company. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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9. Management System Outline - The parameters for a suitable quality management and reporting system are outlined. Where necessary this will involve advising on a framework for the implementation of Quality Standards AS 3903-3903.

Regional Productivity Groups Program Productivity groups are voluntary associations with a membership of 20-25 private or public enterprises which demonstrate a commitment to improving productivity in the workplace. The groups are organised on a regional basis and offer a forum for the exchange of practical productivity improvement ideas through seminars, plant visits and the completion of practical projects to improve productivity for member organisations. APC has received financial support from the department over the period 1988-89 -1990-91 inclusive for the purposes of servicing and expanding the regional productivity groups program in country and metropolitan areas of the State. The department's assistance has enabled APe to service the groups by providing secretarial and administration support and subsidised training programs. Various training programs conducted by APe for the regional productivity groups have generated major savings within the participating member companies. This information has been documented and will be made available to the successful consultant.

The Evaluation Scope of the Study The evaluation will address the efficiency and effectiveness of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program over the period 1 July 1988 - 30 December 1990. The scope of the evaluation study is further circumscribed by the issues canvassed by the study's objectives (see below).

Objectives of the Evaluation What has been the economic impact of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program? To the extent possible, the study should attempt to quantify the economic impact of the programs on the Victorian economy in relation to resultant growth in turnover (especially export and import replacement turnover), employment and investment of Victorian firms, organisations and individual operators which have benefited as a result of APe services.

To what extent has EQUIP and the regional productivity zroups program increased company productivity? In assessing the extent to which the programs have affected company productivity, the study should identify the net savings made by companies through reductions in all areas of waste and inefficiency. Other appropriate indicators that can be used include a comparative analysis of waste levels, lead time reduction, plant utilisation efficiency, resource input/output ratios, the ratio of productive to non-productive hours and the status and quality of the production control system.

To what extent have EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program achieved their objectives and strategies? An attempt should be made to identify the extent to which the objectives and strategies have been met. An attempt should also be made to identify outcomes associated with all objectives and how effective or appropriate the APe's and program strategies have been in achieving their respective objectives.

What future actions can be taken to assist in the more effective and efficient operation of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program? This question is meant to elicit specific recommendations which the consultant should propose, based on the findings of the evaluation study. Recommendations should suggest improvements in APC's management and delivery of the two programs.

How successful have EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program been in achieving their non-quantifiable outcomes? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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This will include an assessment of how far the programs have succeeded in influencing companies to adopt new production techniques in order to improve productivity, or assisting companies to develop international competitive strengths and expertise, and the extent to which participating companies have changed their attitude to quality as part of an overall growth strategy.

How satisfied are the APC's clients with the assistance received and, in particular, with EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program? This should include: an analysis of the means by which the delivery of the APC's services could be more effective from the client's point of view; the level of client satisfaction with the results of participation in EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program;

What are the critical features of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program? Identify features which are critical to the success of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program in assisting participating firms to achieve their quality improvements

Study Methodology The APC maintains statistics in respect of the number of inquiries and applications received, seminar attendees and assessment made in respect of EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program. To date 50 companies have completed EQUIP. There are five regional productivity groups in operation. These are located at Bendigo, Geelong, Wodonga, Warrnambool, Latrobe Valley, the northern suburbs, the eastern suburbs and the western suburbs. Consultants tendering for this project must include full details of their proposed methodology in their submissions. The evaluation study survey should survey a representative and statistically significant sample of APC clients in EQUIP and the regional productivity groups program to elicit their views on the issues canvassed by the evaluation study's objectives. Where appropriate case studies should be used to illustrate the findings made and the issues examined. The size and nature of the sample and the survey questionnaire will be determined by the consultant in consultation with the department as well as the evaluation methodology to be adopted by the study.

Proposed Reporting Arrangements Management of the evaluation study Management of the project will be a steering committee chaired by Terry Ritson, Acting Director, Business Policy and Planning.

Timetable for the evaluation It is envisaged that the evaluation study will take no more than eight weeks to complete. Submissions should indicate whether an eight-week time frame is considered reasonable.

Budget A budget of up to $25 000 including out-of-pocket expenses has been allocated for the conduct of the proposed evaluation study.

Submission Of Proposals Consultants are required to supply study proposals and quotes on the following basis: (i) study conducted exclusively by the consultants under the direction of the steering committee; and (ii) study conducted by the consultants with one departmental staff member available to assist as an integral member of the study team for an average of two days a week for the duration of the study. In the submission, the following information should also be included: who will be responsible for which part of the study; cost per day and number of days for each consultant for the study duration; QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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details of out-of-pocket or other expenses (including costs associated with the printing and postage of questionnaires to survey respondents); details of personal experience and qualifications of consultants who would be undertaking the study; and details of a proposed work plan and methodology. The successful tenderer will also be required to enter into a contract with the department for the conduct of the evaluation. Interested firms are requested to provide a formal response to this brief by 17 April 1991 addressed to: Terry Ritson Acting Director Business Policy and Planning Department of Industry and Economic Planning 5th Floor 228 Victoria Parade EAST MELBOURNE Telephone: 412 8307 Copies of Final Report The successful consultant will be required to provide ten (10) bound copies of the final report together with one loose-leaf copy for printing purposes.

GROVE-DAKIN CONSULTANCY - MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT

(Question No. 1218) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Minister for Finance, for the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development:

In respect of a consultancy conducted by Mr Riroard Grove-Dakin Management Group Pty Ltd for the department to act as case officer to firms applying for or receiving grants under the metal based engineering program: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $52 456; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/ final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (then Minister for Finance) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Manufacturing and Industry Development is: 1. (a) The consultancy commenced on 24 June 1991. (b) The original planned duration of the consultancy is 11 months and 1 week, during which a maximum of 166 days can be claimed. (c) The date of the completion of the consultancy is 3 June 1992. 2. The duration of the consultancy has not been extended. 3. The contractual price of the consultancy was $52 456. 4. The consultant has received monthly progress payments as shown below: Amount Date $1590 29-07-91 $5406 09-08-91 $4770 05-09-91 $4992 03-10-91 $5668 14-11-91 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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5. Qualifications of consultant: University of Melbourne: Bachelor of Engineering (Industrial) 1969; Master of Engineering Science 1971. Monash University: Master of Business Administration 1982. Member of the Institution of Engineers (Aust). 1986-1991 Chief Executive Officer of Hi-Tech Power Drives Pty Ltd trading as Fesca Qualos Gears, Fairfield. 1981-1986 Factory Manager of Davey Pumps. 1978-1979 Manufacturing Manager of Davey Pumps. 6. The consultant makes regular approaches to private sector companies in order to carry out the department's metals-based engineering project, which is a Commonwealth-funded program. 7. The terms of the consultancy were to act as a case officer with the Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development to help deliver the metals-based engineering program in Victoria. There have been no alterations to the terms of the consultancy. 8. The case officer has produced written visit reports outlining contact with departmental clients. These are commercially confidential. COOPERS AND LYBRAND - TREASURY

(Question No. 1219) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Coopers and Lybrand for the department to review the commercial aspects of Victoria's participation in the proposed National Rail Freight Corporation: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended; if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $67 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/ s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/ s have produced any interim/ final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr ROPER (then Treasurer) - The answer is: (a) The consultancy commenced 22 April 1991. (b) The original planned duration of the consultancy was two weeks to accord with the government's needs in respect to the Special Premiers Conference, scheduled at that time for late May 1991. (c) The consultancy was completed on 31 May 1991. 2. The consultancy was extended. (a) For four weeks to 31 May 1991. (b) The duration of the consultancy was extended to enable provision of further advice requested by Cabinet following commencement of the consultancy. Delay of the Special Premiers Conference to July 1991 provided scope for further but related advice to be sought. (c) The extension of the consultancy was mutually agreed to by the Department of the Treasury and the consultant. 3. The contractual price of the consultant was raised from $57 000 to $67 000 to cover the additional work. 4. The consultant was paid $66 250 on 27 June 1991. 5. The consultancy was undertaken by Coopers and Lybrand Consultants. Information concerning individual consultants, their qualifications and hourly/daily fees is confidential. 6. In conducting the consultancy, Coopers and Lybrand consulted a range of government officers, particularly in the transport portfolio. 7. The original terms of the consultancy were based on a standard departmental agreement. 8. Coopers and Lybrand produced commercial-in-confidence working papers. Due to their commercial nature, details of the consultants' advice cannot be released. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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E. JOHNSON CONSULTANCY - TREASURY

(Question No 1220) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Edmund (Ted) Johnson for the department to advise on the establishment of a centralised borrowing authority for Victoria encompassing VicFin, VDF, SECV, BOW, GFCV and CWA: 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $45 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so -(a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/ s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. (a) 29 April 1991. (b) 29 April 1991 -1 August 1991. (c) 31 May 1991. 2. The duration of the consultancy was not extended. 3. The contractual price of the consultancy was $45 000. However, the consultancy project was completed earlier than planned at a reduced cost of $26 527.10. 4. The consultant was paid in full following the successful completion of the consultancy. 5. This information is confidential between the consultant and the department. 6. Senior Treasury officers were interviewed. 7. The consultant entered into the standard departmental consultancy agreement to provide advice on the establishment of a centralised borrowing authority for the period 29.4.91 to 1.8.91 at a cost of $45000. The term and cost of the consultancy were both altered as outlined above. 8. The consultant provided verbal reports.

AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF STATISTICS VICTORIA CONSULTANCY - TREASURY

(Question No. 1221) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Treasurer, in respect of a consultancy conducted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics Victoria for the department to "undertake a study on the exchange of statistical data between agencies": 1. Whether the Minister will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $35 859; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so -(a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/ s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so - what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim/final finding, reports or recommendations; if so - what are the dates and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Mr SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. (a) 22 July 1991. (b) Three and a half months. (c) Originally, 30 October 1991. 2. Yes. (a) To February 1992. (b) To allow the consultant to follow through offers of data sets from agencies. (c) The extension was approved by a steering committee comprising Ms Claire Thomas and Mr John O'Leary (Department of the Treasury), Ms Judith O'Neill (Department of the Premier and Cabinet) and Mr John Palmer (Australian Bureau of Statistics). 3. The contract is for a maximum cost of $35 859. The consultancy is funded by the Commonwealth government. 4. No progress payments have so far been made. 5. The information sought is confidential. 6. The following persons have been interviewed by the consultant (either in person or by telephone): Marion Powell, Carol Oxley, Di Wyatt, Janet Stephenson (Community Services Victoria) Pauline Clancy, Neil Wyatt (Department of Finance) David Alexander (Office of Geographic Information Coordination) Jenny Sams, Beatrice Derody (Department of Labour) Liz Sinclair (Department of Manufacturing and Industry Development) Dennis Keating, Chris Turner, Roger Harrop, Mark Higgins, Peter Leigh (Department of Planning and Housing) Leon Kempen, Neil Powers, Alison Hutchinson (Health Department of Victoria) Richard Teese, John Gregson, Colleen Howell (Ministry of Education and Training) Joanne Duffy (Information Victoria) Michael Ulbrick (Office of Local Government) Frank McClelland, Sarah MiIne, Bron McDonald (Office of Rural Affairs) Bernie Marshall, Carmel Darcy (Office of Youth Affairs) Justin McDermott, Terry Cram (Older Persons Planning Office) Mark Neath, Lesley Smith (Office of Pre-School and Child Care) John O'Leary, Peter Davenport, Dennis Sams, Vin Martin, Claire Thomas (Department of the Treasury) Judith O'Neill, Evelyn Bressner (Department of the Premier and Cabinet) Alf Smith (Victorian Standing Committee on Statistics) Peter Matijwi (Social Justice Consultative Council) Christine Kilmartin (Institute of Family Studies) John Billing, Bev Fogarty, Ian McLean, Trevor Imhoff, Mark Gore, Geoft Sims (ABS Canberra) Neil Gardiner (ABS Queensland) Paul Murrin (ABS New South Wales) Reg Gaull, Bob Pearce (ABS Western Australia) Dennis Hart (Department of Employment, Education and Training) Don McCracken (AUSLIG) Ian Musto, Roger Bradbury (NRIC) Paul Walker (CSIRO) 7. The terms of the consultancy were based on a standard departmental contract. There has been no change other than the extension of time. 8. No financial reports, findings or recommendations have yet been received. A number of status reports have been received both by the steering committee for the project and by the Data Coordination Subcommittee of the Victorian Standing Committee and Statistics (VSCS). The dates of these status reports are: 8 August 1991; 4 September 1991; 16 October 1991; and 14 November 1991. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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SOVIET FISHING FLEET

(Question No. 1224) Mr COLEMAN (Syndal) asked the Premier: Consequent upon the Premier's announcement that Russian trawlers would now be serviced in Victoria: 1. Whether a dry dock is to be imported from Russia to undertake this work; if so - (a) what is the value of the dry dock; and (b) how many people will be required to operate that facility, indicating whether they will be Russian or Victorian personnel; and (c) whether she will ascertain and advise the House if there are similar arrangements in place for Russian dry docks to be supplied as part of contract arrangements in any other port in the Southern Hemisphere? 2. Whether any security has been negotiated for the Victorian fishing industry; if so, what are the details? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: 1. Discussions are in hand between a Melbourne company and two Soviet enterprises to reach an agreement to supply a dry dock, but this is not part of the maintenance and servicing agreement for the Soviet fishing fleet. These ships can be serviced using existing facilities. (a) If a dry dock is supplied, it will belong to the Melbourne/Soviet joint venture and its value is commercial-in-confidence. (b) As and when this major ship repair facility is fully operational, the number to be employed is estimated at 600, all of whom will be local. Initially, about six Soviet specialists may be required to provide training and technology transfer for operating the dock. (c) As far as can be ascertained, the Soviets have not to date entered into any similar arrangements to supply a dry dock to other ports. 2. The Victorian fishing industry has not yet been consulted. The Commonwealth/Soviet Fisheries Cooperation Agreement of February 1990 requires any activity in excess of agreed "feasibility fishing operations" to apply for access for fishing in the Australian fishing zone. Australian authorities will consider any application from an Australian joint venture, with a Soviet partner, in accordance with its established policies and guidelines for the management and development of fisheries in the Australian fishing zone.

NELSON PARKHILL CONSULTANCY - PREMIER AND CABINET

(Question No. 1227) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Premier: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Nelson Parkhill BOO Pty Ltd for the Public Service Board to develop the financial management module of the management education program and to deliver the module to Health Department Victoria: 1. Whether she will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $18 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consultant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so - (a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/ s and the hourly / daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim or final finding, reports or recommendations; if so what are the date/s and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: 1. The consultancy: (a) commenced on 29 July 1991; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy in relation to the development and presentation of the pilot module was six months. Provision was made for extension depending upon the number and timing of other presentations that might be required; QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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(c) the consultancy is not yet completed. 2. The consultancy: (a) will be extended to 14 July 1992 if the further three presentations are made; (b) if required, the small extension will be necessary to meet the availability of the consultants to conduct the modules. (c) The extension of the consultancy will be decided by the Senior Consultant, Management Education Program, Staff Development Branch, Public Service Board. 3. The contractual price for the development of the module and the pilot presentation and evaluation was $22 275. The total cost, if all presentations are made, will be $45 200. 4. A progress payment of $18 480 was paid on 19 November 1991. 5. The consultants have substantial private and public sector experience in financial management and training. As a matter of course, hourly or daily fees of consultants are not disclosed because of commercial confidentiality. 6. There was no requirement for interviews. 7. The consultants were required to prepare and present the financial management module of the management education program. 8. No report was required.

D'ARCY CONSULTANCY - PREMIER AND CABINET

(Question No. 1228) Mr PERTON (Doncaster) asked the Premier: In respect of a consultancy conducted by Perry 0'Arcy and Associates for the Public Service Board to conduct the managing people component of the ADM4-5 interchange program: 1. Whether she will advise - (a) on what date the consultancy commenced; (b) the original planned duration of the consultancy; and (c) the date of the completion of the consultancy? 2. Whether the duration of the consultancy has been extended, if so - (a) for how long; (b) why; and (c) which officer of the department approved the extension? 3. Whether the contractual price of the consultancy was $18 000; if not what was the contractual price? 4. Whether the consuitant/s have been paid any progress payments; if so -(a) what amounts; and (b) on what dates? 5. What are the qualifications of the consultant/s and the hourly /daily fee for the consultant/s? 6. Who has been interviewed by the consultant/s? 7. What were the original terms of the consultancy, indicating whether there has been any alteration to the terms of the consultancy; if so what were the alterations? 8. Whether the consultant/s have produced any interim or final finding, reports or recommendations; if so what are the date/s and details of such finding, reports or recommendations? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: 1. The consultancy: (a) commenced on 30 September 1991; (b) was originally planned for five days; (c) concluded on 4 October 1991. 2. The duration of the consultancy was not extended. 3. The estimated cost of the consultancy was $5315. As a result of additional travel costs, the amount paid was $5382. 4. No progress payments were made. 5. The consultant has a BA Dip Ed, is an accredited user of the Myer Briggs psychological test and has had a broad range of experience in managing people. As a matter of course, hourly or daily fees of consultants are not disclosed because of commercial confidentiality. 6. There was no requirement for interviews. 7. The consultant was required to prepare and deliver the five-day ''Managing People" program for the ADM4-6 interchange program. There were no alterations to the terms of the consultancy. 8. No report was required. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - PREMIER AND CABINET

(Question No. 1230) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Premier: In respect of each department, agency and authority within her administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: Agencies in my portfolio did not provide any funding to non-government organisations as part of employment initiatives and strategies for women.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - MAJOR PROJECTS

(Question No. 1233) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Major Projects: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr KENNAN (Minister for Major Projects) - The answer is: I am advised by the Major Projects Unit that no funding was made available by the unit to any non-government organisation under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women during the 1989-90 and 1990-91 financial years.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - HEALTH

(Question No. 1234) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of each department, agency and authority within the Minister's administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: 1. (a) Barwon and South West Women's Health Service. (b) The amount and purpose of funding. The purpose of the funding was to operate a women's health service for women of the Barwon and South Western Health Region. The role of the service is to improve women's health throughout the region, raise awareness of women's health issues and empower women to seek good health in its fullest sense. A fundamental principle of this and other women's health services is that they are provided by women for women. Funding 1989-90 $418000 1990-91 $436 800 (c) Projects funded by the Barwon and South Western Women's Health Centre: 1989-90 $ Portarlington & District Community Health Centre 288.00 Health and well-being classes for young women QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Meredith Community House 690.00 Two I-day workshops Rural Women's Health seminars

West Coast Leisure Learning Inc. 328.00 Health, relaxation and body awareness for women

Geelong Maternal and Child Health Service 638.00 Allergies workshop - guest speaker Louise Samways

FLING Newsletter 1300.00 Series of health issues on I-llV and AIDS

Deakin Women's Society 500.00 Women's Health Awareness Day

Shire of Corio Maternal and Child Health Service 800.00 Parenthood evening

Maree Markus/Sarah Leach - Deakin School of Nursing 992.64 Four women's health workshops in Colac

Homebirth and Options Support Group 700.00 Workshops on birth issues

SPAR (Self-Protection Against Rape) 1830.00 Self-defence course

KICKS (Self-Help Collective for Incest Survivors) 610.00 Incest workshop

Homebirth and Options Support Group 3000.00 Booklet

Camperdown and District Women's Group 1800.00 Health information

Town of Carnperdown 900.00 Options for women over 45

Cooinda Day Training Centre 300.00 Health issues - disabled women

Heywood Outreach Learning Centre 680.00 Health education workshops - women with low literacy skills QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Portland and District Community Health Centre 550.00 Ante/post natal support group, info/problem awareness

Hamilton Women's Expose Group 580.00 Info sessions

Hamilton Women's Expose Group 536.00 Discussion and support - health issues

Hamilton Endometriosis Support Group 150.00 Support and info Hamilton Neighbourhood House 180.00 Drug awareness (prescriptions)

Hamilton Citizens Advice Bureau 250.00 Women's health resources

Old Courthouse Community Centre/Casterton Hospital 1000.00 Group meetings to discuss health issues/ BSEprogram

Penhurst Country Women's Association 50.00 Hire bus to participate in screening test

Warrnambool and District Twins Club 180.00 Incorporation fee

Warmambool and District Premature Baby Group 5%.00 Clothes, publicity, information service

Domestic Violence Action Group 390.00 Two women attending National Forum on Domestic Violence training

Sexual Assault Unit 667.50 lo-week program for adult women survivors

Warrnambool and District Paediatric Grief Support Group 160.00 Printing of pamphlets

Community Women's Centre 1260.00 Menopause workshops QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Crew Warrnambool/3RPC Portland 3850.00 Women and girls radio project

Gundi~mara Aboriginal Co-op 5000.00 Nutrition - Koori women's activities

Greenvale Aboriginal Co-op 3000.00 Home visits, social afternoons, workshops

Nursing Mothers Association 250.00 Info-kit on breast feeding

Maternal and Child Health Centre and Camperdown 700.00 Young Parents Support Group Parenting skills

Tirnboon Community Health Centre 646.00 Women's Health Day

Portland and District Women's Health Collective 2500.00 Health directory

East Warrnambool Neighbourhood House 1268.00 Sex education for intellectually disabled

Projects funded 1990-91 $

Camperdown Community House 615.00 Better living through education for rural women

Cooinda Centre 440.00 Health for women with disabilities

Camperdown Nursing Mother's Association of Australia 390.00 Community outreach

Camperdown Fabulous 50s and Over Swimming Group 2490.00 Healthy options for older women

Sirnpson and District Community Centre 390.00 Women's Health Editions (of monthly community centre newsletter) and resulting information sessions QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Terang Resources 890.00 Health information kits. Information sessions for young women

Portland and District Women's Health Collective 580.00 Running costs for health collective maintenance of the Portland and district

Portland and District Women's Health Collective 1907.00 Women's health workshop

Old Courthouse Community Centre and Casterton Hospital 1050.00 Healthy lifestyles for all ages

Warrnambool Community Women's Centre 1600.00 Menopause workshop Yalundah Adult Service Women's Health Human Relations 485.00

Warrnambool Sexual Assault Unit 900.00 Survivors group for women who have suffered sexual assault

Nursing Mothers Association - Warmambool Group 249.00 Breast feeding information for teenagers

South West Endometriosis Support 975.00 S.W. endometriosis support

Port Fairy Community Group 1200.00 Port Fairy Women's Health Group

HOpkins District Health Council 1280.00 Older women's life issues

2. (a) Loddon Campaspe Women's Health Services (b) The amount and purpose of funding: (i) The purpose of funding was to establish and operate a women's health service for women of the Loddon Campaspe Mallee Health Region. The funding provided in 1989-90: $221 000. (ii) The purpose of the funding was to operate the above women's health service including funding for expansion into Bendigo's surrounding rural communities through the provision of women's health workers. The funding provided in 1990-91: $322 110. (c) Projects funded by the service: The organisation made no contribution to these or any other projects. 3. (a) Sunraysia Women's Health Group (b) The amount and purpose of funding: Grant provided from regional productivity savings for the purpose of conducting pilot programs and activities which address women's health needs in the Sunraysia area. The funding provided in 1989-90: $10000. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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(c) Projects funded by the group: The organisation made no contribution to these or any other projects. 4. (a) Central Highlands/Grampians/Wimmera Women's Health Service, also known as Wellcoming Women's Health Service. (b) The amount and purpose of funding: The purpose of the funding was to establish a women's health service for the Central Highlands/Wimmera Health Region. The role of that service is to offer a service that is run by women for women, that offers assistance on health issues; provides information and knowledge which will assist women to make informed health choices; research and collects information about the needs of women and the region and works cooperatively with health care providers in the region to develop health programs sensitive to the special needs for women. The amount of funding provided is as follows: 1989-90 $80 000 1990-91 $209 000 (c) Projects funded by the group: The women's health service did not make any financial contribution to this or any other project. However, the committee of management and the service have made substantial contributions to projects in terms of voluntary time and effort. 5. (a) Women in Industry and Community Health (b) The amount and purpose of the funding: Women in Industry and Community Health is funded to provide information, advocacy and support to migrant women to assist them to improve their own health and to increase access to health services for this particular group of women. The agency's activities include visits to factories by bilingual community educators, liaison with migrant women's organisations and regular public radio sessions. The funding for 1989-90 and 1990-91 was as follows: 1989-90 $74350 1990-91 $135240 (c) Projects funded by the group: The organisation made no contribution to these or any other projects. 6. (a) Healthsharing Women (b) The amount and purpose of the funding: Healthsharing Women is funded to provide a Statewide information service about women's health issues, service initiatives and new technological developments affecting women's health. The funding for 1989-90 and 1990-91 was as follows: 1989-90 $481 000 1990-91 $471 700 (c) Projects funded by the group: The organisation made no contribution to these or any other projects. 7. (a) Women's Health Resource Collective (b) The amount and purpose of the funding: Women's Health Resource Collective is funded to produce women's health resources and to distribute these resources Statewide. The resources include booklets, pamphlets, audio tapes and posters on women's health issues. The funding for 1989-90 and 1990-91 is as follows: 1989-90 $159600 1990-91 $167100 (c) Projects funded by the group: The organisation made no contribution to these or any other projects. 8. (a) Women's Health Service for the West (b) The amount and purpose of the funding: Women's Health Service for the West is funded to provide services to women in the Western Metropolitan Health Region. The service particularly targets women with disabilities, women living in poverty and women from non-English speaking backgrounds. Priority women's health areas as defined by the service include mental health, gynaecology and childbirth and other health issues such as diet, nutrition, smoking and domestic violence. The funding for 1989-90 and 1990-91 was as follows: 1989-90 $82 650 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1990-91 $505500 (c) Projects funded by the service 1990-91: $ Women's Circus 1500.00 Women with Disabilities Project 6158.59 Women's Informed Consent Action Group 1834.56 Muslim/ Arabic Women's Support Group 16000.00 Deer Park Women's Information Group 3000.00 Shire of Bacchus March Domestic Violence Project 15000.00 Keilor Young Women's Health Worker 20000.00

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - TOURISM

(Question No. 1237) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Tourism: In respect of each department, agency and authoritY within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr CRABB (Minister for Tourism) - The answer is: The Victorian Tourism Commission and the Alpine Resorts Commission do not provide funding specifically directed to assist women. General details of funding provided under the grants program are contained in the annual reports of the Victorian Tourism Commission and the Alpine Resorts Commission. Information on government programs for women is publicly available in the women's budget program, 1989-90 and 1990-91.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - TREASURY

(Question No. 1242) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Treasurer: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr ROPER (then Treasurer) - The answer is: No funding was provided.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1244) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: Ministry for Police and Emergency Services No contributions have been made to non-govenunent organisations related to the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Victoria Police No contributions have been made to non-government organisations related to the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91. Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board No contributions have been made to non-government organisations related to the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91. Victoria State Emergency Service No contributions have been made to non-government organisations related to the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91. Country Fire Authority No contributions have been made to non-government organisations related to the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - CORRECTIONS

(Question No. 1245) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Corrections: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr SANDON (Minister for Corrections) - The answer is: Whilst no specific funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, community corrections grants were made to two organisations in the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91. Organisation Principal Total Purpose of Grant Payment Date

Fairlea Womens Dame Phyllis $2000 For the provision of advice 15.3.90 Prison Council Frost and assistance concerning the administration of Fairlea Prison. YWCA Dandenong Susan Batrouney $2000 For the provision of post- 24.1.91 and Westernport release support services to PO Box 792 women prisoners. DANDENONG 3175

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - COMMUNITY SERVICES

(Question No. 1247) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Community Services: In respect of each department, agency and authority within her administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community Services) - The answer is: The time and resources required to answer this question in detail cannot be justified. The Women's Budget, compiled by the Women's Policy Coordination Unit, Department of the Premier and Cabinet, provides detailed information in relation to funding made available by Community Services Victoria and the Office of Preschool and Child Care for a range of programs which have implications for women. Many of Community Services Victoria's services, such as neighbourhood houses, though not specifically targeted to women, impact on their lives through the provision of support and access to a range of opportunities. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Copies of the Women's Budget for the years 1989-90, 1990-91 and 1991-92 are available from: Women's Policy Coordination Unit, Department of the Premier and Cabinet, 1 Treasury Place, Melbourne. 3002

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 1251) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of each department, agency and authority within the Minister's administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: I refer the honourable member to the reply to Legislative Council question on notice No. 1223, which detailed grants to organisations for 1989-90 and 1990-91 from the then Ministry of Education and Training and which was printed in Hansard of 12 November 1991 at page 1650. A copy of the relevant portion of that answer follows. These grants were not specifically made under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women. Women are, of course, a large client group and benefit from these grants. GRANTS TO ORGANISATIONS - SUMMARY

ORGANISATION EXPN EXPN 1989-90 1990-91

Ausmusic 40000 60000 Australian Association of Special Education 3000 Australian Childrens Television Foundation 0 0 Australian Conservation Foundation 0 10000 Australian Council for Educational Research (ACER) 163600 168 850 Australian Council for Educational Research (ACER) 0 - Sample testing project 40000 0 - Effective Schools Project 67000 - Survey of Social Education Australian Council of Post-Primary Inst of Vic (ACPPIV) 42800 44 300 Australian Educ Council (2 Projects) 83700 0 Australian Educ Council - Mathematics Project 9500 Australian National Memorial Theatre School 59000 49990 Australian Schools Sports Council 11 451 12436 Ballarat Children's Homes and Family Services 0 28121 Burremah Integration Service (Grassmere Youth Ser) 30000 30000 Campaign for International Committee for 0 promotion of Oral Education of the Disabled 2000 0 Centre for Educ & Res in Environ Strategies (CERES) 90000 70000 Council for Christian Education in Schools 315300 329500 Curriculum Corporation of Australia 52400 96600 Curriculum Corporation of Australia 0 - Careers Education project 20480 DEAL Communications 2000 Doveton Welfare Cluster 15000 0 Environment Designers in Schools 0 (Architects in Schools) 20000 30000 Ewing House Hostel 0 (Victorian Committee for the Promotion 0 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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of Oral Ed of the Disabled) 14000 0 Family Life Movement 6000 6000 Family Science Project 25000 Fitzroy Music Festival 5000 Friends of the Zoo 10000 0 Gender and Science and Technology (GASA T) 5000 International Social Service 450 0 John Gardiner Centre 5000 Joint Council of Subject Associations 39875 McClintock Collective 4595 McDonald House Hostel 36000 36000 Melbourne Living Museum of the West Ministry for Health, Education and the Arts (Survey) Muscular Dystrophy 1500 Next Wave Festival 70000 Parents of Hearing Impaired Children 5000 Peer Group Support Foundation 20000 40000 Plumbers, Sheetmetal, Coppersmiths' Assoc Reverse Garbage Scheme 9500 9500 Salvation Army 2500 0 Specific Learning Difficulties Association 15000 15000 Spoleto Music Festival 6000 0 State Schools Horticultural Society 0 State Schools Relief Committee 10000 Summer School - Melb Uni Student Union 250 250 United World Colleges Trust VAP Special Schools 3000 VAEIA 34000 0 Victn Assoc of Rural Secondary Schools Victn Council of School Organisations (VICCSO) 109 800 112800 Victn Federation of State School Parents Club 149800 92800 Victn Federation of Catholic Parents Club 9500 9500 Victn Information Technology Teachers Assoc Victn Institute of Marine Science Studies 30000 17500 Victn School Canteen Assoc 30000 30000 Victorian Parents Council 9500 9500 Victn Parents Advocacy Collective 25000 35000 Victn State Schools Sports Fed 0 (Organised Athletics in Schools) 5200 5200 Wilderness Society 9700 9700 TOTAL 1497451 1634 497

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - TRANSPORT

(Questio n No. 1252) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Transport: In respect of each department, agency and authority within his administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer is: Transport agencies have not provided funding direct to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women since 1989-90. While transport program expenditure is directed towards the community generally, many strategies implemented by Victoria Transport are of benefit to women employed in the home and/ or the work force. In planning and implementing new initiatives Victoria Transport agencies take the opportunity to consult with as many concerned people as possible in the community to ensure that services and programs best meet the needs of the community as a whole. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In this context the government initiatives in transport that have benefited women in the community include the Travel Safe program, roving guards on trains, the station lighting program, the child-minding centre at Flinders Street station, the bassinette loan scheme, the pedestrian safety strategy, the accessible transport strategy and the multi-purpose taxis program. For further details in respect of the government's initiatives for women in the community the honourable member's attention is directed to the women's budget program, which is administered by the Premier as Minister responsible for Women's Affairs.

EMPLOYMENT INITIATIVES FOR WOMEN - PORTS

(Question No. 1253) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Transport, for the Minister responsible for Ports: In respect of each department, agency and authority within the Minister's administration for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91, what funding was made to non-government organisations under the government's employment initiatives and strategies for women, indicating - (a) the name of the organisation; (b) the amount and purpose of the funding; and (c) whether the organisation concerned made any contribution to particular projects; if so, what was the project and the amount contributed? Mr SPYKER (Minister for Transport) - The answer supplied by the Minister responsible for Ports is: Port of Melbourne AuthOrity (a) Not applicable (b) Nil (c) Nil Port of Portland Authority (a) Not applicable (b) Nil (c) Nil Port of Geelong Authority (a) Not applicable (b) Nil (c) Nil

WOMEN'S INFORMATION REFERRAL EXCHANGE

(Question No. 1255) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Premier: What policy recommendations were received from the Women's Information Referral Exchange in 1990, indicating which recommendations have been implemented? Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The answer is: The Women's Information Referral Exchange is funded through Community Services Victoria but does not have a formal relationship to government by which it makes policy recommendations. Although it may have made policy suggestions in correspondence or discussions in the same way in which any non-government service provider or interest group would do, I am not aware of the detail of any such correspondence or discussions. I would suggest that my colleague, the Minister for Community Services, would be better placed to provide the honourable member with any relevant information.

VICTORIAN TAXATION REVENUE

(Question No. 1259) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Treasurer: In respect of revenue to be collected by the Commissioner of State Taxation and the Comptroller of Stamps for the financial years 1989-90 and 1990-91: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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1. What were the Budget estimates, indicating whether those estimates were provided by the commissioner and comptroller, respectively, and in the event that they were not - (a) why; and (b) what were the total figures for revenue estimated by the commissioner and comptroller, respectively? 2. What was the actual revenue collected for each office? Mr ROPER (then Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. The Budget revenue estimates for 1989-90 and 1990-91 were published in the respective Budget Papers. Those estimates were prepared by the Department of Management and Budget/Treasury in consultation with revenue collection agencies including the Stamp Duties Office and the State Taxation Office. (a) The preparation of Budget revenue estimates is an iterative process which takes place over a period of some months leading up to the Budget. As part of this process, information is supplied by revenue collection agencies relating to trends in collections, efforts to combat tax avoidance and evasion or to increase taxpayer compliance, and the level of outstanding tax payments. This information may form a major input into, but is not directly comparable with, the government's published Budget estimates. In particular, the Treasury blends the advice from revenue collection agencies with the most recently available information on the Victorian economy and up-to-date assessments of the economic outlook for the three years ahead. In addition, adjustments are made for variations to tax rates as proposed by the government in the Budget. (b) There are no revenue estimates by the Commissioner of State Taxation or the Comptroller of Stamps separate from the Budget estimates. 2. The information was reported in the finance statement for the relevant years.

HIV-CONTAMINATED BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS

(Question No. 1261) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Attorney-General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of patients who contracted the human immuno-deficiency virus through blood transfusions: 1. What legal costs have been incurred by the government to date in defending cases brought by such patients? 2. Whether estimates have been made of the future legal costs in cases which have commenced; if so - (a) what are the costs; and (b) how many cases are involved? 3. Whether the Minister is aware of any other cases; if so, how many? 4. Whether the Government Solicitor is representing the government in all cases; if not - (a) why; (b) what firms are representing the government; (c) what are the costs incurred by the government to date in respect of each firm; and (d) what estimates have been made of future costs? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: The reply to this question will be provided by the Attorney-General in his reply to question on notice No. 1260.

PORTLAND SMELTER

(Question No. 1263) Mr W. D. McGRATH (Lowan) asked the Treasurer: For each financial year, and for the period 1 Jul Y 1991 to 31 October 1991, since the inception of the agreement between the Flexible Tariff Management Unit Trust (FTMUT), the State Electricity Commission of Victoria (SECV), Portland Smelter Services Pty Lld and the government: 1. What were the gross payments to the FTMUT by Alcoa and Portland Smelter Services Pty Lld? 2. What were the gross payments to the SECV by the FTMUT? 3. What dividends were paid to the government by the Portland Smelter Unit Trust? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: 1. Payments to FTMUT by Alcoa Financial Alcoa PSS and Portland Smelter Year Payment Payment Services Pty Ltd (PSS) Srn Srn

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1987-88 0.3 0.7 1988-89 13.0 29.0 1989-90 0.3 0.6 1990-91 0.0 0.0 1991-92 to Oct-91 0.0 0.0

Total 13.6 30.3 Note: The PSS payment is that which the Portland smelter joint venture partners have effectively paid FTMVT. The Alcoa payment represents A1coa's 45 per cent equity ownership in the Portland smelter, and is therefore included in the PSS payments. 2. Payments to SECV by FTMUT Financial FTMUT Year Payment $m

1986-87 9.2 1987-88 17.4 1988-89 0.0 1989-90 39.2 1909-91 85.9 1991-92 to Oct-91 41.8

Total 193.5

3. Dividends paid to the Financial Dividend government by the Portland Year Payment Smelter Unit Trust $m

1986-87 0.0 1987-88 0.0 1988-89 17.1 1989-90 60.7 1990-91 3.7 1991-92 to Oct-91 0.0

Total 81.5

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITIEE MEMBERS -ARTS

(Question No. 1269) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for the Arts: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - The answer is: Women are represented on all boards, councils and committees within the arts portfolio. The following list gives details of all women holding those appointments as at 1 January 1992. The time necessary to provide precise details of all the academic and other qualifications of each person cannot be justified. However, a brief description of the person's background, extracted from the information publicly released at the time of her appointment, has been included. 1. Statutory Appointments: Council of the Museum of Victoria: 11 positions, 5 are occupied by women, 1 position currently vacant: (i) Jill Gallagher, Aboriginal Liaison Officer, Victorian Archaeological Survey; (ii) Dr Marian Aveling, History Department, Monash University; (iii) Phyllis Fry, Principal, Janet Clarke Hall; (iv) Margaret Cameron, Pro Vice-Chancellor, Deakin University; (v) Jenny Love, member, Administrative Appeals Tribunal. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Council of the State Library of Victoria: 9 positions, 3 are occupied by women, 1 position currently vacant: (i) Rosemary Balmford, lawyer, senior member, Commonwealth Administrative Appeals Tribunal; (ii) Margaret Cameron, Chief Librarian and Pro Vice-Chancellor, Deakin University; (iii) Meg Paul, library educator and consultant. Council of Trustees of the National Gallery of Victoria: 9 positions, 4 are occupied by women: (i) Lyn Williams, teacher; (ii) Rhonda Galbally, Executive Officer, Victorian Health Promotion Foundation; (iii) Dulcie Boling, Chairman and Chief Executive, Southdown Press; (iv) Professor Jenny Zimmer, Head of the School of Art and Design, Monash University. Film Victoria Board of Management: 11 positions, 3 are occupied by women: (i) Natalie Miller, partner in Sharmill Films and Longford Cinema; (ii) Eve Ash, Seven Dimensions Pty Ltd; (iii) Sharon Connolly, Yarra Bank Films; Geelong Performing Arts Centre Trust: 11 positions, 3 are occupied by women: (i) Wendy Galloway, musician and music teacher; (ii) Gail Rooney, personnel and industrial relations practitioner, Ports and Harbours, Geelong; (iii) Cr Susan Pearce, municipal representative nominated by the City of South Barwon. Libraries Board of Victoria: 11 positions, 3 are occupied by women, 1 position currently vacant: (i) Marianne Broadbent, Head of the Department of Information Services, RMIT; (ii) Margaret Holmes, Manager, Executive Services, Ministry of Education and Training; (iii) Margaret Goode, Project Director, Management Consultancy Branch, Public Service Board. Museums Advisory Board: 11 members, 3 are women: (i) Jill Eastwood, lecturer in Australian History, Council of Adult Education; (ii) Phyllis Fry, Principal, Janet Clarke Hall; (iii) Jane Lennon, Director, Historic Places Branch, Department of Conservation and Environment. Public Records Advisory Council: 10 positions, 2 are occupied by women; (i) Judith Ellis, records management practitioner archivist; (ii) Helen Harris, genealogical researcher. State Film Centre of Victoria Council: 11 positions, 5 are occupied by women, 3 positions are currently vacant: (i) Jenny Sabine, Film and Television Department, Swinburne Institute of Technology; (ii) Janet Whiting, solicitor; (iii) Marcia Pope, Ballarat College of Advanced Education; (iv) Patricia Feilman, member of the Ian Potter Foundation and the Zoological Board of Victoria; (v) Maggie Edmond, principal of the architectural firm Edmond & Corrigan Pty Ltd. Victorian Arts Centre Trust: 9 positions, 3 are occupied by women: (i) Or Alwynne Mackie, educationist, Director, Victorian College of the Arts; (ii) Patricia Caswell, Victorian Trades Hall Council; (iii) Jill Milthorpe, Councils and Board Services Officer, Ministry of Education - Goulburn North Eastern Region, community activist. Victorian Council of the Arts: 12 positions, 5 are occupied by women: (i) Amanda Smith, Unit Manager, Live Music ABC Radio; (ii) Dimity Reed, architect; (iii) Claire Dobbin, Australian Film Institute; (iv) Ellen Jose, Aboriginal artist; (v) Jill Kitson, ABC radio presenter.

2. Non-statutory advisory panels: Art and Environmental Design Reference Group: 12 members, 5 are women: (i) Michelle Howard, Cultural Services Officer, City of Box Hill; (ii) Anne Dunlop, planner (private practice); (iii) Maggie Fooke, artist; (iv) Jenny Saulwick, artist; (v) Catherine Murphy, arts administrator, Victorian Trades Hall Council. Art and Public Spaces Committee: 16 members, 4 are women: (i) Pat Sabine, arts administrator, Melbourne City Council; (ii) Maudie Palmer, Director, Heide Park and Art Gallery; (iii) Catherine Murphy, arts administrator, Victorian Trades Hall Council; (iv) Lee Liberman, businesswoman. Arts and Education Committee: 7 members, 3 are women: (i) Or Elaine Atkinson, Ministry of Education and Training; (ii) Barbara Champion, Ministry of Education and Training; (iii) Sue Clark, Manager, General Programs Unit, Ministry for the Arts. Community Development Advisory Panel: 8 members, 4 are women: (i) Linda Sproul, performer, Assistant Director, Next Wave Youth Arts Festival; (ii) Kate Brennan, arts administrator, Executive Officer, Arts Access; (iii) Lex Chalmers, regional arts activist; (iv) Megan Evans, artist, freelance arts project administrator. Cultural Policy Interdepartmental Working Group: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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12 members, 1 vacancy, 2 members are women: (i) Judy Morton, Ministry for the Arts; (ii) Jan Cochrane, Victorian Tourism Commission. Dance Advisory Panel: 7 members, 4 are women: (i) Suzanne Fermanis, dancer, dance administrator, Director of Southern Family Life Counselling Centre; (ii) Anne Thompson, performer, choreographer and dancer, lecturer in movement at the Victorian College of the Arts School of Drama; (iii) Claire Stonier-Kipen, former professional dancer, Community Arts Officer, City of Dandenong; (iv) Tara Rajkumar, performer and teacher of classical Indian dance, Artistic Director of Artlinks. Drama Advisory Panel: 12 members, 6 are women: (i) Kirsty Child, actress; (ii) Maude Davey, performer; (iii) Hilary Glow, Manager, Australian Film Commission; (iv) Rosemary Hinde, Assistant General Manager, Melbourne International Festival; (v) Arnanda Smith, Unit Manager, ABC Live Music Department (vi) Kim Durban, director. Festivals Advisory Panel: 6 members, 3 are women; (i) Margaret Vandeleur, Cultural Development Officer, Melbourne City Council; (ii) Laurel Frank, artist and designer; (iii) Demetra Egan, Promotions and Publications Manager, Ethnic Affairs Commission. Library Development Project Board: 8 members, 1 vacancy, 2 members are women: (i) Leah Mann, Director, State Library of Victoria; (ii) Roslynne Hansen, Chair, Historic Buildings Council. Literature Advisory Panel: 9 members, 4 are women; (i) Bev Roberts, writer, administrator; (ii) Liz Jones, Artistic Director, La Mama; (iii) Or Irina Pana, lecturer in English, Monash University; (iv) Jackie Yowell, editor, publisher. Ministerial Advisory Council on Multicultural Affairs: 8 members, 2 are women: (i) Morag Loh, writer, historian; (ii) Linda Marson, Director, Arts Training Victoria. Museum Development Project Board: 7 members, 1 vacancy, 1 member is a woman; Virginia Kirton, Director, Major Projects, Department of the Treasury. Museums Advisory Board Grants Assessment Panel: 7 members, 2 are women: (i) Margaret Birtley, Manager, Group Programs Scienceworks, Museum of Victoria, former Executive Officer, Museums Association; (ii) Sharon Towns, Director, Victorian Centre for the Conservation of Cultural Material. Music Advisory Panel: 9 members, 3 are women: (i) Faye Dumont, choral director, lecturer at Melbourne University Institute of Education; (ii) Helen Gifford, composer; (iii) Or Therese Radic, author of Australian music history books. National Exhibitions Touring Support (NETS) Advisory Panel: 7 members, 4 are women: (i) Margaret Rich, Director, Ballarat Fine Art Gallery; (ii) Giacomina Pradolin, Director, Sale Regional Arts Centre; (iii) Jenepher Duncan, Director, Australian Centre for Contemporary Art and Monash University Gallery; (iv) Professor Jenny Zimmer, Head of the School of Art and Design, Melbourne University. Premier's Literary Awards Committee: 9 members, 5 are women: (i) Jennifer Straus, senior lecturer in English, Monash University; (ii) Diana Gribble, publisher; (iii) Philippa Hawker, journalist; (iv) JiB Kitson, ABC radio presenter; (v) Stella Lees, specialist in children's literature. Premier's Literary Awards judges: 20 members, 10 are women: (i) Or Marion Campbell, lecturer in English, University of Melbourne; (ii) Or Rosaleen Love, lecturer in English, Swinburne Institute of Technology; (iii) Jenny Lee, Editor, Meanjin quarterly; (iv) Betty Burstall, founder of La Mama; (v) Sue Nattrass, General Manager, Victorian Arts Centre; (vi) Associate Professor Sneja Gunew, Deakin University; (vii) Michelle Grossman, lecturer in English, Western Institute; (viii) Moira Robinson, businesswoman, owner of Robinson's Bookshop; (ix) Or Jenny Pausacker, writer; (x) Susan Hampton, poet. Public Art Advisory Panel: 13 members, 2 are women: (i) Maudie Paimer, Director, Heide Park and Art Gallery; (ii) Catherine Murphy, Arts Officer, Victorian Trades Hall Council. Public Galleries Advisory Board: 9 members, 4 are women: (i) Or Dagmar Eichberger, Art Curatorial Studies Course Coordinator, Department of Fine Arts, University of Melbourne; (ii) Margaret Rich, Director, Ballarat Fine Art Gallery; (iii) Elspeth McEachern, Director, Horsham Regional Art Gallery; (iv) Maudie Palmer, Director, Heide Park and Art Gallery. QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Regional Arts Task Force: 23 members, 12 are women: (i) Liz Clay, Regional Manager, Deparbnent of Sport and Recreation; (ii) Elaine Gardiner, artist; (ill) Di Goulding, Cultural Planner, LaTrobe Regional Commission; (iv) Anthea Williams, artist; (v) Helen Millicer, Community Arts Officer, City of Berwick; (vi) Jenny Saulwick, artist and teacher, (vii) Joan Guymer, Coordinator, Shepparton Performing Arts Program; (viii) Maria Riccardi-Weight, singer and music teacher; (ix) Dawn Colbourne, Arts Administrator, Loddon Campaspe Region, Ministry of Education and Training; (x) Karen New, artist; (xi) Meryl Robson, arts administrator, consultant, Office of Rural Affairs; (xii) Sue Clark, (convenor), Manager, General Programs Unit, Ministry for the Arts. Victorian Government Exhibitions Indemnification Scheme Committee: 9 members, 4 are women: (i) Maudie Palmer, Director, Heide Park and Art GaUery; (ii) Susie Shears, Director, Geelong Art Gallery; (iii) Jacky Healy, Deputy Director - Public Programs, National GaUery of Victoria; (iv) Jenepher Duncan, Director, Australian Centre for Contemporary Art and Monash University Gallery. Visual Arts/Crafts and Design Advisory Panel: 8 members, 5 are women: (i) Alison Carol, academic, writer, curator and researcher; (ii) Juliana Engberg, editor, writer and curator; (iii) Professor Jenny Zimmer, Head of the School of Art and Design, Monash University; (iv) Jana Cattanach, academic, cultural researcher; (v) Anna Griffith, educationalist, writer and craft specialist.

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITIEE MEMBERS - HEALTH

(Question No. 1271) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Attorney General, for the Minister for Health: In respect of each deparbnent, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr KENNAN (Attorney-General) - The answer supplied by the Minister for Health is: The portfolio of the Minister for Health encompasses about 150 boards, committees and councils, induding the boards of management of public hospitals. Most of these bodies have female members but the records of the health department are not kept in a form which would enable both the names of the particular members, as well as their qualifications, to be extracted without a significant commitment of resources. Nevertheless, if the honourable member is interested in the membership of a particular board, committee or council, I would be happy to provide her with such information on its membership as the deparbnent has available.

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS - CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENT

(Question No. 1275) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the then Minister for Conservation and Environment: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr CRABB (then Minister for Conservation and Environment) - The answer is: Due to the large number of boards, councils and committees which report to me and to agencies for which I am responsible, the time and resources required to provide this information would be excessive and cannot be justified. If however the member requires information in respect of a particular board, council or committee, I will endeavour to provide that information.

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITIEE MEMBERS - TREASURY

(Question No. 1279) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Treasurer: QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The answer is: The response to this question has been limited to name of statutory appointments as at 1 February 1992 as the time and resources required to search individual records to provide information on membership of interdepartmental committees and the qualifications of members cannot be justified.

EMERGENCY SERVICES SUPERANNUATION BOARD Member - Patricia Newby" Total number of members-9 HOSPITALS SUPERANNUATION BOARD Member - Betty Cook" Total number of members -7 LOCAL AUTHORITIES SUPERANNUATION BOARD Alternate member -Carolyn Mather" Total number of members -10 (5 members, 5 alternate members) METROPOLITAN FIRE BRIGADES SUPERANNUATION BOARD Member-Nil Total number of members - 3 RURAL FINANCE CORPORATION Member - Barbara Yeoh" Total number of members -7 STATE CASUAL EMPLOYEES SUPERANNUATION BOARD Members - Janet BenneW Lynette Churchus" Sharon Tully" IngridHaW Total number of members - 8 (5 members, 3 deputy members) STATE EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT BENEFITS BOARD Member-Nil Total number of members -1 STATE INSURANCE OFFICE Member-Nil Total number of members - 7 (5 members, General Manager and Deputy General Manager) STATE SUPERANNUATION BOARD Members - Marie Darke* Patricia Faulkner* Total number of members - 6 TRANSPORT SUPERANNUATION BOARD Member - Susan Harris" Total number of members - 7 VICTORIAN BUILDING SOCIETIES COUNCIL Member - Elizabeth Eldridge" Total number of members - 8 VICTORIAN DEBT RETIREMENT AUTHORITY Member-Nil Total number of members - 3 VICTORIAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION Member - Barbara Yeoh" Total number of members - 8 VICTORIAN PUBLIC AUTHORITIES FINANCE AGENCY (VICFIN) Member-Nil Total number of members - 3 YOUNG FARMERS FINANCE COUNCIL Member - Heather Mitchell" QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Total number of members - 6

Further information regarding the above members' qualifications, etc. may be located in the respective annual reports.

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITIEE MEMBERS - POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES

(Question No. 1281) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Police and Emergency Services: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and Emergency Services) - The answer is: There is a large number of boards, councils and committees within the Ministry and its agencies comprising both internal as well as external representation, and to provide detailed information on all of them would require time and resources that could not be justified. Therefore for the purposes of answering the question the following information relates to statutory office holders who hold positions on major boards, councils or committees:

Name Qualifications Board/Council/Committee No. of members

Theresa Whiting Deputy Chairman Country Fire Authority 12 Country Fire Authority Lynette Hatton Councillor, representing Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board 9 City of Melbourne Lena Engelsmann Member representing Firearms Consultative Committee 11 Law Institute of Victoria Simone Daniell Member, representing Firearms Consultative Committee 11 Victorian Amateur Pistol Association

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITIEE MEMBERS - CORRECTIONS

(Question No. 1282) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Corrections: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr SANDON (Minister for Corrections) - The answer is: ADULT PAROLE BOARD Total number of members 6 Pamela Carty-Salrnon BSW Hilary Read BA Dip Crirn VICTORIAN PRISON INDUSTRIES COMMISSION Total number of members 9 Virginia Simmons BA Dip Ed Admin Rosalind Bodley Accounting CP A Marion Grirnwade BA Dip Tert Ed DEPARTMENTAL EXECUllVE Total number of members 7 Sue Wynne-Hughes TPTC BSW Dip Crim OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE Total number of members 12 QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

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Danufia Winiarczyk Ass Dip of Welfare Studies Erica Mahn BA Dip Ed EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY CONSULTA TIVE COMMITIEE Total number of members 8 Linda Carder Ass Dip of Welfare Pip Wisdom B Sc Hons M. Psych Loretta White B Ecc Dip of Education Sandy McDonald Not available CORRECTIONS INDUSTRY TRAINING BOARD Total number of members 13 Virginia Simmons BA Dip Ed Admin Sue Wynne-Hughes TPTC BSW Dip Crim Debbie King BA Hons CUSTODIAL COMMUNITY PERMIT PROGRAM Total number of members 4

COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITIEE Total number of members 5 Helen Leyshon Not available CORRECTIONS HEALTH BOARD Total number of members 6 Sue Wynne-Hughes TPTC BSW Dip Crim Lynda Stephens Not available

WOMEN BOARD, COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS - EDUCATION AND TRAINING

(Question No. 1288) Mrs WADE (Kew) asked the Minister for Finance, for the then Minister for Education and Training: In respect of each department, agency or authority within his administration, how many women hold positions on boards, councils or committees, indicating in respect of each board, council or committee, the names and qualifications of each female member, and the total number of members? Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The answer to the part of the question relevant to this portfolio is: There are a very large number of boards, councils and committees operating in association with the Department of School Education and the Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Board. They range from school councils to the State Board of Education to a broad range of committees established from time to time to address specific issues. The time and resources to compile the membership details of each of these are not available. Should the honourable member wish to specify particular boards, councils or committees, I will be pleased to provide the information sought. The Department of School Education and the Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Board are committed to ensuring that women are well represented on boards, councils and committees. QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

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Tuesday, 24 March 1992 Mr McNAMARA - Is it a fact that Victorian taxpayers will have to foot the bill for additional interest of $80 million each year for an indefinite period?

The SPEAKER (Hon. Ken Coghill) took the chair at ~r A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - As I explained 2.7 p.m. and read the prayer. earher, the cost to the Budget could be in the range $6 million to $8 million on the $80 million that we would borrow in order to -- QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Mr McNamara interjected.

VICTORIAN EQUITY TRUST Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - In relation to the $80 million borrowings, that would be around the $8 Mr KENNETI (Leader of the Opposition) - I million mark. What the opposition does not w1derstand - and it is not surprising that refer the Treasurer to his statement that unit holders of the Victorian Equity Trust will be paid out within opposition members do not understand because th~y.have demonstrated no greater understanding of ten days of 1 June 1992. Will the Treasurer provide this Issue than of any other issue -- the House with precise details of how that payout is to be funded from the Budget in the current financial Honourable members interjecting. year? Mr A. SHEEHAN - The Victorian Equity Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - The Leader of J. Trust (VET) was a very good vehicle for borrowing. the Opposition is correct in saying that unit holders of the Victorian Equity Trust will be paid out within Honourable members interjecting. ten working days from 1 JW1e. We believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Victoria. There will be no impact of that payout on this year's Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - The borrowings provided Budget. The impact will be in next year's Budget, substantial assets to the participating authorities, which borrowed at an interest rate marginally below and it will relate to any interest payments that have ~e interest rate available to VicFin. So, it was a good to.b~ made. I anticipate an impact of perhaps $7 mvestment for the borrowing authorities, the Imlhon to $8 million in interest rates on next year's Budget. government and the unit holders. The arrangement for payout now -- This must be a great disappointment to the Mr McNamara interjected. opposition because it has been saying for twelve months - and trying to create the call around the country - that this was an issue the government Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - Are you saying we should could not and would not deal with. The not meet our financial obligations? The government, to its credit, has resolved it arrangements to payout now are quite clear. It is sa tisfactorily. proper that the authority should accept responsibility to pay back the amount borrowed and Mr McNAMARA (Leader of the National it will do so. Party) - I refer the Treasurer to the payout of $710 million to the W1it holders in the failed Victorian MICRO-ECONOMIC REFORM Equity Trust. Is it a fact -- Mrs HIRSH (Wantirna) - In light of the Honourable members interjecting. advances made in micro-economic reform through the special Premiers Conference last year, will the Premier outline to the House any developments in The SPEAKER - Order! The Leader of the getting this vital and important process going again? National Party is entitled to ask his question without interruption. I ask honourable members on both Ms KIRNER (Premier) - The special Premiers sides of the House to show the respect that is due to Conference process, which ran through last year and the Chamber. which was very important in getting micro-economic reform onto the national agenda, QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

312 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 lapsed a little towards the end of the year. That was response to the Fightback package's attack on a great disappointment to most people - obviously training. He is the person who recently talked about not to the opposition - and particularly to State reform of this Parliament. Premiers. Mr Kennett interjected. Through tha t process of reform we now have the beginnings of a national electricity grid, with the Ms KIRNER - Oh, so he is not interested in the various benefits it will bring both for the reform of Parliament, which is not surprising, so he environment and in the production of cheaper can continue to behave like he has behaved today. electricity. We have also achieved the National Rail Corporation. It took 100 years, most of it w1der Mr DELZOPPO (Narracan) - On a point of Liberal govemments, to get a decision about having order, Mr Speaker, I point out that question time is a national rail system. The first offer on a national not an opportw1ity for the Premier to attack the rail corporation was made under the Whitlam Leader of the Opposition -- govemment; the next offer was made w1der the Hawke govemment; and the nation is now about to Honourable members interjecting. have one of the greatest injections to productivity to be seen for many years. The SPEAKER - Order! It is impossible for the Chair to hear the honourable member for Narracan. I The third area of micro-economic reform was the ask honourable members to remain silent. one the opposition has no interest in - the area of training. Under his so-called economic reform An honourable member interjected. package, Fightback, the Federal Leader of the Opposition would remove the training levy. Mr DELZOPPO - The so-called answer to the question has no relevance to the question itself. We have not heard a single word from the Victorian Leader of the Opposition on this matter, except that Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, within half an hour of reading the Federal Post-Secondary Education and Training) - On the opposition's Fightback package the Leader of the point of order, Mr Speaker, the purpose of the pOint Opposition said to us, "I think it is terrific; it has of order has been made clear by the honourable exceeded my expectations". member for Narracan: he does not like the opposition being attacked. Poor man! Poor member! It certainly exceeded the Leader of the Opposition's It is very sad when the opposition does not like expectations because his expectations were very low. being attacked! His expectations were low because he has no clear policies of his own. If the Leader of the Opposition The Premier was giving a very detailed answer to a did have policies of his own he would have stood up question on the important issue of micro-economic for Victoria and said that the training levy had to reform. During that answer -- stay because the yOW1g people he cried crocodile tears about last week require that training levy for Mr Cooper interjected. their future. The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable Honourable members interjecting. member for Momington is making it difficult for the Minister to be heard. The SPEAKER - Order! It is important for the Premier to be clearly heard by those very many Mr ROPER - During that answer, the Leader of honourable members who are interested in the the Opposition, as is his wont, became very proceedings of the House. I ask members on both exercised. Whenever he is accused of not having any sides of the House to remain silent so that the policies he becomes very exercised - as an option, I Premier's reply can be heard. suppose, to not having any.

Ms KIRNER - If the Leader of the Opposition The Premier was briefly responding to those had an interest in the youth of this nation he would interjections and will be coming back to her answer. be standing up and saying that the training levy The point that needs to be made about the point of ought to be kept. But because the opposition has no order is that the Premier is answering -- policy on training, he does not know what to say in QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

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Mr McNamara interjected. appeared to be making comments arising from the previous point of order. I suggest that she return to Mr ROPER - All members of the opposition the point of the question and, in view of the time seem to have this difficulty about being attacked. that has elapsed, round off her reply.

Mr Kennan interjected. Ms KIRNER (Premier) - Thank you, Mr Speaker. I am pleased to say that last Friday Mr ROPER - They are very delicate little Prime Minister Keating agreed with a request from flowers - or delicate petals, as the Deputy Premier the Premiers to have another special Premiers says. The Premier was answering the question­ Conference. she was diverted by interjections from the Leader of the Opposition - and will continue to answer the The reason I am so interested in the progress of that question. special Premiers Conference is that I believe the national issues are the crucial issues coming out of The SPEAKER - Order! At the point at which the One Nation package. They include the training the honourable member for Narracan rose to raise matter - the matter of getting State agreement on his point of order the Premier was responding to the future responsibility for training with the interjections. Interjections are disorderly and I Federal govemment - the matter of determining advise the Premier that she should not respond to the structure of and the decision-making process for them. the national electricity grid and the matter of obtaining recommendations on the furtherance of Mr Kennett interjected. the National Rail Corporation. I am delighted to inform the House the Prime Minister has agreed to The SPEAKER - Order! I advise the Leader of continue the special Premiers Conference process as the Opposition that he should not interject; and soon as possible as a very important part of the similarly, he should not speak when the Chair is on development of the future of Australia as one nation. its feet. VICTORIAN EQUITY TRUST I do not uphold the point of order, but I ask the Premier to not debate the question and to round off Mr STOCKDALE (Brighton) - I address a her answer. further question to the Treasurer. In light of the non-response to the question of the Leader of the Ms KIRNER (Premier) - I note that the point of Opposition, I refer to the fact that the govemment order raised by the opposition took up 1 minute of failed to persuade the Commonwealth Treasurer question time. It seems to me that the kind of that $500 million of the Victorian Equity Trust debt attitude over there is -- was equity, and that the Federal Treasurer required the $500 million to be included as debt under the Mr McNamara interjected. global borrowing limits and I ask: is it a fact that the govemment has failed to include the $500 million The SPEAKER - Order! The Leader of the debt in its $29 911 million of reported public sector National Party is disrupting question time. debt, and that therefore the payout of the VET will result in a $710 million addition to State debt? Ms KIRNER - The attitude over there is the direct result of their having no policies. Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - It is an interesting contribution from the honourable Mr KENNETI (Leader of the Opposition) - On member for Brighton. a point of order, Mr Speaker, the Premier is clearly debating the issue. She is ignoring your ruling. If the Honourable members inteljecting. Premier wishes to debate the issue - and it is quite understandable that we on this side of the House The SPEAKER - Order! I ask the Treasurer to will want to have a correct record - I ask you to pause w1til the House comes to order. I particularly ensure that the Premier puts your ruling into ask honourable members on my left to remain silent practice. so that the Treasurer's reply can be heard.

The SPEAKER - Order! On the point of order Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - We had some factual raised by the Leader of the Opposition, the Premier content I believe - some allusion to factual content. QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

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Let us put in context a couple of remarks made of Honourable members interjecting. late: a month ago the honourable member for Brighton said it would take him two years to do The SPEAKER - Order! I ask the Leader of the anything about the State debt. A week ago the National Party and the honourable member for Leader of the Opposition said he would take a Syndal to remain silent. Both appear to be trying to billion dollars a year off the State debt - $8 billion shout down the Treasurer. That is quite over eight years. In this morning's Herald-Sun the unacceptable and I ask them both to remain silent. honourable member for Brighton has our State debt at $60 billion. Now he has it at $30 billion. He has Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - It is clear that, while the achieved a $30 billion reduction in our State debt in govenunent has assumed the full liability for the 2 hours! $710 million, the extent to which that adds to the debt will depend precisely upon the mix of Mr STOCKDALE (Brighton) - On a point of responses from the authorities; some will pay order, Mr Speaker -- directly from their reserves and some will pay from an extension of borrowings. Honourable members interjecting. For some weeks the honourable member for The SPEAKER - Order! I ask the honourable Brighton has been saying in the press that we should member for Derrimut to remain silent, and I remind act exactly as we acted yesterday and take on that the honourable member for Keilor that he has liability, so bringing the Victorian Equity Trust to a already been cautioned a number of times today, conclusion. The government has acted in the best and I do not wish to have to act against him, but I long-term interests of Victorians. It could have rolled am quite prepared to do so. over the debt. It could have done what the honourable member for Brighton was arguing we Mr STOCKDALE - The question quite clearly were plaIUling to do: it could have transferred the referred to the government's claimed or reported net debt of over $900 million into the future. It has debt, not the real debt of the State, which has been chosen to bring the matter to a conclusion now and published. The Treasurer has not yet said one word wind up VET. That is the proper course of action. relevant to the question. If he does not know the answer and he has to be briefed by the honourable SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY member for Doveton, I suggest you require him to MUSEUM sit down wltil he can answer the question. Mc WALSH (Albert Park) - Following the Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - It is important commencement of the Southbank museum, which is that we recognise the facts in this debate. There is a in my electorate, will the Minister for the Arts advise very large difference between the publiC sector debt the House what action the government has taken to of around $30 billion and those potential debts develop the Science and Technology Museum as relating to liabilities. It is about time that that was part of the government's commihnent to cultural acknowledged by the honourable member for infrastructure in Melbourne? Brighton; and today, for the first time, we have it on the record. His contribution in this morning's Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - I thank newspapers has proved to be completed factually the honourable member for his question, as the local incorrect. member for the arts precinct, and also for his ongoing interest in the arts and matters of major With regard to the $710 million payout, the major projects relating to the arts. responsibility for that - some $630 million - is to be assumed, quite properly, by the authorities, who On Friday the Premier will open the Scienceworks will pay that out by two means: firstly by payments museum as part of our cultural infrastructure from their reserves and secondly by rolling over rebuilding program. It is significant that when the some borrOWings. Premier turned the first sod at the museum site last week she did that as part of the government's The authorities will have a mixture of responses to commitment to a range of major cultural that debt of $630 million, part paid directly by the infrastructure projects in Melbourne, which is reserves of the authorities and part paid by another example of the way the opposition knocks. continued borrowings. Indeed, if you look at this photograph of Melbourne, with the major projects outlined in yellow, it QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

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illustrates that projects like the National Temlis Melbourne Central, which the opposition wants to Centre, the World Congress Centre and the knock. museum-- The opposition also opposed the buildings marked Honourable members inteljecting. in yellow. Had the Liberal Party been in office in the 1980s Victoria would not now have the National The SPEAKER - Order! I advise the Deputy Temlis Centre, with the Australian Open, and it Premier that it is difficult to incorporate the would not have the Great Southern Stand, with the photograph in Hansard and I ask him to rely on a final of the World Cup cricket. descri p tion. The opposition spokesperson, Mc Birrell, has already Mr KENNAN - I understand that the Leader of said he wants the Museum Project to stop; the the Opposition has some difficulty seeing the opposition is saying that it will stop the project if it photograph. I think honourable members behind me is elected. The public is entitled to know what the can see it. We have a Parliamentary revelation that Leader of the Opposition is affirming minute by the Leader of the Opposition camlot see from a minute by way of interjection; the people are entitled distance of 3 or 4 feet an A4-size photograph. We to know tha t if the Liberal Party had been in power know he does not want to be the Leader of the they would not have the World Congress Centre, the Opposition because he knows the public do not like National Tennis Centre, the Great Southern Stand him and now he is saying he camlOt even see a and the Museum Project. That is the record of the photograph! People have been wlkind enough to say Leader of the OppOSition and it has been confirmed he might have a problem reading or understanding, in Parliament today. but not to be able to see a photograph at 3 or 4 feet is a real problem. Perhaps the Leader of the The opposition is threatening, sledging and Opposition can visualise buildings such as the temlis wldermining private sector projects; all one hears centre, the congress centre and the museum. from the shadow Minister for Major Projects is sledging and undermining. It does not matter Mr KENNETT (Leader of the Opposition) - On whether it is the Museum or Eastside projects, a point of order, Mr Speaker, the Minister for the members of the opposition constantly wldermine Arts has a photograph on which many of the them. I understand the embarrassment of the Leader buildings photographed have been marked in red; of the Opposition and I understand the delight of a the Minister has just named some of those marked few members behind him who take some pleasure buildings. However, for clarification of the record, I from his intense discomfort on these issues. ask whether all the buildings marked in red are subject to debt and whether the other buildings, The new Scienceworks museum - another project which have been marked in yellow, are free of debt? that has received no support whatsoever from the That should be on the record so that members of the opposition - will be a world-class science and opposition can wlderstand what the Minister is technology museum built on the site of the historic talking about. waterworks pumping station at a cost of $23 million.

The SPEAKER - Order! There is no point of Honourable members may have seen that wonderful order. film Spotswood sponsored by Film Victoria. That organisation is another coup for the govemment. I Mr KENNAN (Minister for the Arts) - I am know the honourable member for Ivanhoe supports certainly happy to clarify that for the Leader of the that organisation because he was on the Opposition. The buildings marked in red are private Parliamentary committee that investigated it. He sector buildings built wlder the plamling guidelines knows the wonderful work that has been done of the govemment. As the Leader of the Opposition through Film Victoria and the awards that have has just acknowledged, there is a whole raft of them. been won through that great initiative. I thank the In 1981 when the Leader of the OppOSition was a honourable member for his ongoing support. It is a Minister in the outgoing Liberal govemment there pity his attitude is not shared by all members of the was only one crane on the skyline of the central opposition. business district. Development had stopped. Even with his sight problems, the Leader of the As part of the $23 million museum, in addition to Opposition can see the red raft of buildings, such as the restoration of the pumping house, there will be extensive exhibition and collection storage as well as QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

316 ASSEMBLY Tuesday. 24 March 1992 many hands-on exhibits. Perhaps there could be a Is there one opposition member who believes we miniature crane; it could be a hands-on exhibit of the should not have paid out? If there one person who one crane on the CBD skyline in 1981. believes that, stand up!

Visiting the Scienceworks museum will be Mr Sand on - Stand up! invaluable for wUversity and school students. The museum will attract, and has attracted, considerable Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - Is there one of you who private sector sponsorship. believes that?

VICTORIAN EQUITY TRUST In conclusion, the govemment has made a good decision, and it is one which opposition members Mr I. W. SMITH (Polwarth) - Will the Treasurer support, but once again they have demonstrated guarantee that the Victorian govemment will not their complete policy vacuum because they cannot borrow the $80 million required to fW1d the interest explain how they would come to grips with this on the $710 million Victorian Equity Trust payout? issue themselves. It was one thing they believed we had failed to come to grips with and they were Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - Jeffrey, you putting arow1d that this would force an election and are really in trouble because last time this bloke fired we would not be putting a Budget together. They twice in a week he was put -- have been proved wrong again.

Mr Kennett interjected. The issue has been dealt with effectively and I believe the payout option is fully supported by the Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - It was clever of him opposition. I have heard nothing to the contrary. because at the time he was overseas. This is the fourth question in three years that he has asked. GOVERNMENT DEBT Very good! Mr J. F. McGRATH (Warmambool) - I refer the Once again it is interesting to see that the Treasurer to his statement yesterday regarding the honourable member for Polwarth is wrong. shifting of debt from govemment trading enterprises Obviously he has not w1derstood the explanation to the Budget sector and I ask: why did the that was put to him about the $710 million Treasurer not spell out details of how much debt is obligation for payout. About $630 million of that will to be transferred, the amount of interest, the be met by the statutory authorities and $80 million conditions of the transfer and the cost to the will be met by the govemment. We will borrow taxpayers of the proposed arrangement, and when $80 million. Its impact on the Budget will be will he do so? something less than $8 million a year. Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) - I assume that An honourable member interjected. the honourable member for Warmambool is talking about the wider debt equity transaction rather than Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - No, it is not, but I shall the Victorian Equity Trust transaction. repeat it for you. Of the $710 million, some $630 million will be paid by the statutory authorities Honourable members interjecting. and $80 million will be paid by the govemment. We will borrow that $80 million and we will bear the The SPEAKER - Order! I ask honourable cost of approximately $7 million to $8 million in next members on the front bench on both sides, including year's Budget. That is clear enough! the Deputy Leader of the National Party, to remain silent so that the Treasurer's reply can be heard. His An honourable member interjected. response is inaudible because of the high level of interjections. Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - To take up the interjection, I did make it clear in an earlier answer Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - Yesterday we announced that the statutory authorities will pay by two means, that we had reached an in-principle agreement with which I have explained. Firstly, they will pay it out the statutory authorities on a number of matters: of cash reserves and, secondly, they will pay it out of firstly, a substantial package of reform for the new borrowings. authorities will provide them with the potential to retum a strong dividend flow to the govemment QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 317 and provide a better service to Victorians. The YOUTH EMPLOYMENT TRAINING second part of the package - and again this enjoys the support of the opposition because I have heard Mrs GARBUlT (Greensborough) - Will the nothing to the contrary - is the consolidation of all Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education public sector debt in Treasury Corporation of and Training advise the House what further steps he Victoria. is taking to ensure that training options are accessible to young Victorians? Yesterday's a1UlOWlcement indicates that we have reached agreement with the authorities on those Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, principles: firstly for a debt equity swap and Post-Secondary Education and Training) - I thank secondly for the consolidation of long-term public the honourable member for her question and her sector borrowings into the Treasury Corporation of continuing interest in the very significant problems Victoria. Those moves are widely supported by the faced by young unemployed people. market, and strongly supported by Victorians because they are in the best interests of Victoria. Mr Leigh - Which you helped to create.

As to the details of how much of that debt we will Mr ROPER - Last year the govemment started a take from each of the authorities, the honourable highly successful program with local authorities for member will wlderstand each authority has a traineeships, subsidised by the State govemment different mixture of debt: the authorities have a and the Federal government, which allowed people mixture of long-term and short-term debt; also, each to obtain employment and training opportunities. authority has a different mixture. Today I am pleased to be able to say that not only is Over the next couple of weeks we will be the govemment adding another 300 places to the negotiating in detail with those authorities about the initial 200 places but also it is extending the scheme precise mix of debt that will be taken from them and so that it applies to all employers who have award put with Treasury Corporation and about the provisions for trainees. That means there will be amowlt for which they will assume responsibility. In significant expansions of this scheme in areas of high general it is anticipated that the Treasury W1employment around the State. Corporation will take on the long-term debt of the authorities and the short-term debt will remain. Since the govemment asked private employers to consider this program we have had very positive Mr Kennett interjected. responses from areas like Wodonga and Echuca, from the Brotherhood of St Laurence and the Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - That is wrong! You know Salvation Army, all of whom see the opportunity to interest rates have fallen of late. You don't know assist yOWlg people in employment and training. much but you know that! This program is a very practical way in which the Mr Kennett interjected. govemment is able to assist a number of people who otherwise would not have access to either work or The SPEAKER - Order! The Leader of the training. I would have to say it is in total contrast to Opposition is clearly out of order. the proposals - if you can call them "proposals" - that have come from the other side. Honourable members interjecting. There has been nothing from the other side! All we have is the Leader of the Opposition's "secret The SPEAKER - Order! I wam the Leader of the weapon" against youth unemployment. He says he Opposition. He is well aware that he is out of order. is going to hatch a program - a program that he I suggest he tum himself to face the Chair. He is well does not believe he should tell anyone any details aware that he is out of order. I wam him and I will about. Rather than a program such as the one we not wam him again. I ask him to respect the forms of now have under way, the Leader of the Opposition the House. has a scheme that he will not tell even his colleagues about! Mr A. J. SHEEHAN - To conclude: when we have negotiated the final details of that debt mix and Or Wells interjected. the debt equity swap I will make the details available to the House. QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

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Mr ROPER - The honourable member for Mr Elder interjected. Dromana interjects: tell us about his Leader's scheme. I agree with him; we should all hear about Mr ROPER - I am pleased the honourable his Leader's scheme! The honourable member for member for Ballarat North is back; he is providing a Dromana would be intrigued to see the appalling bit of life -- photograph that appeared in the Western Independent only two weeks ago. It shows the honourable The SPEAKER - Order! I ask the Minister for member for BelUlettswood; the shadow Minister for Finance and the honourable member for Ballarat Small Business, the honourable member for Ivanhoe; North to remain silent. Has the Minister completed and the shadow Minister for employment and his reply? industrial relations, the honourable member for Hawthorn, and describes them as Liberal Party Mr ROPER - We are pleased to see the heavyweights. If honourable members opposite honourable member for Ballarat North back because could see this photograph they would see three of he provides a little life to the back bench. The the most glum members that one could ever scheme, which as I said today has been expanded, imagine: three heavyweights listening to their has significant support in rural Victoria as well as in Leader say he has a secret weapon that he does not Melbourne. I commend it to honourable members believe people should know about because for some opposite as a better alternative than the secret reason or other it might be a false hope. weapon of the Leader of the Opposition.

Mr Kennan - It might be a five-point plan. BUDGET DEFICIT

Mr ROPER - It might be a five-point plan or it Mr I. W. SMITH (Polwarth) - I refer the Premier might be a ten-point plan. Given the Leader of the to her Treasurer's statement on 20 March 1992 that Opposition, it is likely to be a no-point plan. He is her government's budget deficit outcome to simply saying to people in the western suburbs that February was $1648 million, by far the highest he has a secret weapon but he will not tell them deficit ever recorded in Victoria. about it. The Leader of the Opposition has a responsibility to tell the honourable member for If the Premier agrees with and supports her Dromana about his plan. Treasurer's statement that these are good results, what facts can she give the House to support this Honourable members interjecting. statement?

The SPEAKER - Order! It is becoming difficult Ms KIRNER (Premier) - It must be a record to to hear the Minister, especially with the interjections have two questions asked from the very shadowy coming from my right. I ask honourable members to shadow Minister for Finance. I know he is looking remain silent and I also ask the Minister to relate his very tired and that must be the reason. remarks to the question that was asked. Mr Elder interjected. Mr ROPER - I am explaining to the House the substantial increase in traineeships for young people The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable which has been taken up very much by employers in member for Ballarat North is making it difficult for country Victoria. One hopes it has the support of the Premier to be heard. local members representing those areas. They have been silent, as the Leader of the Opposition has been Ms KIRNER - The framework for the end of the silent, about any plans they might have. year financial transaction is clearly set out in the June economic statement. Anyone who knows It is time the Leader of the Opposition stopped anything about the proper financial reporting of this hatching his job training scheme. Those were his State would welcome a government that is prepared words; he is sitting on it, waiting for it to hatch, and for the first time ever to set out three years of Budget it is time he came out with something positive. Estimates and financing transactions and come in within them. Last week we had thirteen content-free pages on employment from the Leader of the Opposition - What has happened over the past two months is and job-free, too. We have particular proposals and clearly not the end point. We anticipate that the end we are pleased that the private sector -- point will come in within 1 per cent of the financing PETITIONS

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 319 transaction that was set in the June economic By Mr Cooper (110 signatures) statement. Reintroduction of mausoleums GOVERNMENT OFFICE ACCOMMODATION To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the Legislative Assembly in Parliament assembled: Mr CLARK (Balwyn) - Is the Treasurer aware of the 97-page Treasury report to government setting The humble petition of the Committee of Italian Action out criteria for government in its decisions whether sheweth: to improve services in the cemetery we to lease or buy government office accommodation? petition for the reintroduction of mausoleums in If so will he advise the House whether this report Victoria. concludes that owning buildings is generally better than leasing buildings when interest rates are low as And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. they are at present? By Mr Micallef (2157 signatures) Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) -It is common for companies, enterprises and governments to sell Laid on table. buildings on the basis of guaranteed lease arrangements and then occupy them. The New VISTEL LTD South Wales government recently sold the McKell building for $72 million on the basis of guaranteed Mr A. J. SHEEHAN (Treasurer) -I move, by occupancy and leased it back. Telecom Australia has leave: recently concluded such agreements in the central business district, as has Australia Post. The Victorian That there be presented to this House a statement by government will act in a way that is consistent with the Treasurer informing the House of a change in established practice. ownership of Vistel Ltd.

PETITIONS Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) - Leave is refused.

The Clerk - I have received the following ECONOMIC AND BUDGET REVIEW petitions for presentation to Parliament: COMMITTEE Companion Animals Bill Auditor-General Performance Audit

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the Mr CO LE (Melbourne) presented report of Legislative Assembly in Parliament assembled: Economic and Budget Review Committee on appointment of auditor to conduct perfonnance The humble petition of the undersigned sheweth that audit of Auditor-General, together with the Companion Animals Act currently before the attachments. Parliament of Victoria is unacceptable in its present form. Laid on table.

The legislation will not solve the problems of straying, Ordered to be printed. fouling and excessive and irresponsible breeding of companion animals. The legislation is deficient in many PAPERS areas and requires substantial modification. Laid on table by Clerk: Further consultation with the public and interested groups is required before any legislation is enacted. Planning and Environment Act 1987 - Notices of approval of amendments to the following Planning Your petitioners therefore pray that this House will Schemes: defer the legislation pending consultation and review with interested groups. Diamond Valley Planning Scheme - No. RL145

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. Melbourne Planning Scheme - No. L66 SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE

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Metropolitan Region Planning Scheme - No. Rl12 That this Bill be now read a second time.

Port of Melbourne Planning Scheme - No. L6 The purpose of the Bill is to implement a range of amendments to the COWltry Fire Authority Act 1958, South Melbourne Planning Scheme - No. L33 the Fire Authorities (Contributions) Act 1989, the Metropolitan Fire Brigades Act 1958 and the Victoria Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1986 - Code of State Emergency Service Act 1987. Practice for the Operation of Wildlife Shelters. The provisions of the Bill are primarily concerned Statutory Rule under the following Act: with matters relating to the operational and administrative needs of the fire and emergency Public Service Act 1974 - Public Service services of this State: the Country Fire Authority Determinations No. 5 (CF A), the Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board (MFBB) and the Victoria State Emergency Service (VICSES). Water Act 1989 - Notification by the Minister for Water Resources of the reasons for deciding - In particular the Bill introduces measures that will allow the agencies to fully implement changes that to constitute the Coliban Region Water Authority will result in further improvements: to take over the whole of the property, rights, liabilities, obligations, powers, and functions of various authorities in their levels of operational effectiveness, skills and efficiency; and to constitute a new Authority to take over the in managerial competence, efficiency and whole of the property, rights, liabilities, obligations, accountability. powers, and functions of various authorities.

SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE The proposed measures will result in improved standards of service to the Victorian community. Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, Post-Secondary Education and Training) - By Because the contents of this Bill are wide ranging in leave, I move: character and in their degree of significance it is appropriate that in the context of the debate I focus That Mr Wallace be discharged from attendance on the primarily on the major provisions of the Bill. They Social Development Committee and that Mr Kilgour be are concerned with the following: appointed in his stead.

Motion agreed to. rank and organisation restructures of the CFA; appointment of an employee representative on PUBLIC BODIES REVIEW COMMITTEE theCFA; extension of the regulation-making powers of the Mr ROPER (Minister for Employment, CFA to enable new regulations to be made to Post-Secondary Education and Training) - By replace those that will cease to exist on 30 June leave, I move: 1992; and extension of the sunset provision relating to CFA That Mr Wallace be appointed a member of the Public fWlding. Bodies Review Committee.

Motion agreed to. I will also briefly comment about proposed changes to make it an offence to impersonate an officer of the FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES CFA, MFBB or VICSES, or to improperly use their (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) insignia, and the proposal to regulate and enforce BILL disciplinary provisions with respect to VICSES.

Second reading Other notable provisions of the Bill concern powers of the CFA and MFBB to defer, remit or excuse Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and charges for emergency response services, and the Emergency Services) - I move: FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 321 proposal to change the immunity provisions for the The CF A plan also provides for the removal of the CFA and MFBB. necessity for appointing assistant chief officer positions within the organisation and for the I refer honourable members to the clause notes consolidation and restructure of administrative which accompany the Bill for an outline of these sections. provisions as well as other technical and machinery provisions. The plan enables the CFA to reduce its staffing by 22 positions in 1991-92 and save some $1.3 million. The ORGANISATION RESTRUCTURE OF THE staffing and financial benefits of the organisation COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY restructure will continue in subsequent years.

In 1991 the CFA reviewed the way in which it has Although some of these changes have already been structured for many years against: occurred, the full benefits of the restructure cannot be achieved without the legislative amendments now proposed. the desire to improve the standard of service provided to volunteer brigades and the Victorian RANK RESTRUCTURE WITHIN THE COUNTRY community generally; FIRE AUTHORITY its policy of decentralisation and devolution of responsibility; and As part of the ongOing strategy of the CFA to use its the need to improve the effectiveness and resources to the optimum, proposals for a more efficiency with which it discharges its effective use of career staff have been developed responsibili ties. over several years in conjunction with the United Firefighters Union (UFU). The proposed changes are the most significant to occur to the rank structure of The authority concluded that the current structure COWltry Fire Authority permanent officers and had become cumbersome, that it was w1necessarily firefighters. costly and that it was not meeting the CFA's ongoing needs and decided that a significant In December 1990 the Industrial Relations reorganisation was required to overcome those Commission of Victoria endorsed the agreement deficiencies. between the CFA and the UFU to introduce a single career stream instead of the previous structures of The plarmed reorganisation will improve service station officer and regional officer. Its introduction delivery and efficiency by streamlining senior allows the removal of the historical demarcation command and management responsibilities, between field work and station work, thus creating a removing an urmecessary layer of senior more flexible and skilled work force. The restructure management, devolving greater responsibility and makes possible the upward movement through the accow1tability to the regions, and better utilising ranks to the position of chief officer, contingent only administrative resources. on ability and qualification. The result will be a more efficient and competent service managed by The CFA has proposed that the existing 7 zones the best people available. should be rearranged into 3 divisions in the State, each headed by a deputy chief officer in charge and Rank restructure brings with it the following that the existing 21 regions should be assigned to significant benefits: those divisions -7 to each. It has also proposed that a further deputy chief officer should be appointed with responsibilities for the support service activities more flexible arid efficient deployment of staff; of the CFA -namely, training, fire safety, ability to use the officer in charge of a brigade to communications, private fire appliances, mechanical perform field fW1ctions; maintenance and the like. ability of station staff to exercise the powers of the chief officer; Under the CF A plan three of the deputy chief common training and qualifications for all officers are located in a decentralised situation, each operational staff; and has an overall management and audit role within his capacity of field officers to serve at fire stations. or her division, and each such officer is second in the chain of command to the chief officer. FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL

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Part of the restructure has been implemented. and wide-ranging consultation with all sectors with However its completion is dependent on an interest relating to the fW1ding issue. amendments to the legislation which are now proposed. Honourable members will also recall that, notwithstanding Wide-ranging acclaim for the EMPLOYEE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE achievements of the working party and subsequent COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY refinements to the recommendations made by the working party, there was a significant absence of This government has a longstanding policy of commlmity support for the implementation of a new providing for employee representation on boards of funding system. management of statutory bodies. The then Minister, the Honourable Race Mathews, It is proposed to incorporate a provision to make alUlounced in Parliament in April 1987 that the possible the appointment of an employee government would not proceed with the representative to the Country Fire AuthOrity. This implementation of a new fW1ding system in the will bring the authority into line with the absence of general community support for such Metropolitan Fire Brigades Board, which already change. The absence of support by sectors of the benefits from the contribution made to that board by insurance industry, amongst others, was specifically representation of the employees. noted at that time.

The principle of an employee representative on the In reviewing the fW1ding reform issue I have been authority is supported by the CFA and the volw1teer mindful of this backgrow1d and other relevant associa tions. considerations, and have resolved to consult, in the first instance, with the Insurance Council of EXTENSION OF COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY Australia (ICA) on the clear understanding that this FUNDING ARRANGEMENTS government is not prepared to reawaken the significant anxieties associated with major funding In 1989 the Fire Authorities (Contributions) Act reform until key players are prepared to make provided for a varia tion to the proportion of commitments which will improve the likelihood of contributions to the COW1try Fire Authority's such reform being successfully implemented. Budget. The insurance sector's contribution was increased from two-thirds to 77.5 per cent with a I have been seeking the ICA's commitment and corresponding decrease in the contribution from the support in key areas since November 1990 but the Consolidated Fund from one-third to 22.5 per cent. cow1Cil has not yet been able to make the required commitments. During the debate on that Bill repeated references were made to the activities of the 1985 Working This Bill therefore proposes an extension of the Party on FW1ding Alternatives for the Fire and SW1set clause on the CFA's fW1ding introduced by Emergency Services, the inequity of the current the Fire Authorities (Contributions) Act 1989 from insurance-based funding arrangements and the 31 December 1992 to 30 June 1995. desirability of implementing funding reform such as that which was developed in the period 1984-1986. The proposed extension will give the ICA and others a further opportw1ity to make appropriate A sunset clause was introduced during deliberation commitments so that the feaSibility of effectively on the 1989 Bill under which the variation to the reopening the fW1ding reform issue can be further proportion of contributions to the CFA budget will tested and an alternative fw1ding system developed revert to pre-existing levels as at 31 December 1992 for implementation. for the purpose of inducing a review of the funding arrangements for the fire services. REGULATION-MAKING POWERS OF THE COUNTRY FIRE AUTHORITY I have been mindful of the undertaking given by my predecessor, the Honourable Steve Crabb, that the As a result of the Subordinate Legislation Act 1962 fW1ding reform issue will be further reviewed. the COW1try Fire Authority regulations will be automatically revoked on 30 June 1992. New Honourable members will recall that the 1984-1986 regulations will be required to be in place and take funding reform exercise involved extensive analysis effect from 1 July 1992 to allow the Cow1try Fire FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL

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Authority to continue to operate in an efficient Minister that if more time is required it will be made marmer. The amendments required to enable the available. remaking of the regulations relate to a range of technical and machinery matters. Mr SANDON (Millister for Police and Emergency Services) (By leave) - I certainly will In addition there are a range of consequential consider a forhlight. amendments resulting from the major proposals. Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) - Mr Speaker, further on OTHER NOTABLE PROVISIONS the question of time, I point out to the Minister that the House will not be sitting in one week's time, the Impersonation of officers or use of insignia date that he has chosen. Therefore the time that he has allocated is clearly not relevant. Amendments are proposed to the COWl try Fire Authority Act 1958, the Metropolitan Fire Brigades The opposition has requested two weeks, and rather Act 1958 and the Victoria State Emergency Services than his begrudging it or agreeing to more time if Act 1987 making it an offence to impersonate an required, it is the normal process, as the Minister officer or to use the logo or wliform of any of these well knows, for two weeks to be granted to the organisations without consent. This proposal is opposition on every Bill. made following incidents where members of the public have been misled or intimidated by persons The Minister has failed to indicate to the House the impersonating officers of these services, for financial urgent nature of the Bill, and therefore I invite the and other reasons. Minister to agree to an adjoumment of two weeks and to provide more time if required. VICSES: discipline provisions Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and There is a need to improve the disciplinary Emergency Services) (By leave) - I have already provisions relating to members of the Victoria State indicated that I am prepared to accept two weeks. Emergency Service. Recently, some instances have occurred where it has become apparent that greater Mr McNAMARA (Leader of the National Party) powers of discipline are required by the director of (By leave) - The Minister has given an undertaking that service to ensure that all members are of a two-week adjoumment. I specifically asked also trustworthy and of good repute, because of the that if more time were required we could be given position of trust that they hold in the commwlity. It that extension. The Minister has not responded on is imperative that that trust can be justified. that second point and I would appreciate an assurance that if more time is required he will give It is proposed to give the director greater powers to an extension of the two weeks. ensure that the service can remove or suspend members who fail to justify the trust placed in them. This issue is coming in at a fairly late stage for the These powers are broadly similar to those applicable sunset clause, wherein we gave this Minister and the within the CFA and will be specified in regulations. previous MiIlister three years to resolve the matter Rights of the individual will be protected in those of fWlding of fire services in this State and, during regulations. these three years, nothing has been done.

I commend the Bill to the House. A Bill has now been introduced to extend the sunset period for a further three years, and we are asked to Debate adjourned on motion of Mr McNAMARA resolve the matter in a number of weeks. I do not (Leader of the National Party). think this is appropriate, and I am concemed that the matter has not been addressed appropriately Mr SANDON (Minister for Police and during the three years. Emergency Services) - I move: Mr DELZOPPO (Narracan) - On the question of That the debate be adjourned until Tuesday, 7 April. time, Mr Speaker, I support opposition members. I know the Minister is a great admirer of the Country Mr McNAMARA (Leader of the National Fire Authority, and I would like the opportunity of Party) - On the question of time, Mr Speaker, I seek circulating copies of the Bill to the brigades in my at least a forhlight and an assurance from the electora te and to allow them sufficient time to HOSPITALS AND CHARITIES (EXTENSION) BILL

324 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 respond to me so that I can have some input into the of corporate status. A sunset provision gave them debate. three years to reincorporate under some other legislation of their choice, such as the Associations I urge the Minister to be a little liberal in allowing Incorporation Act or the corporations legislation, or time for the adjoumment of the debate. as cooperatives.

Motion agreed to and debate adjourned until Organisations that were merely registered and not Tuesday, 7 April. incorporated were affected only by the removal of regulatory provisions. The Health Services Act made HOSPITALS AND CHARITIES new provisions for regulation of organisations (EXTENSION) BILL providing health services. For community services organisations the SW15et provision extended the Second reading Hospitals and Charities Act provisions for three years, but those provisions are minimal as most have Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community not applied since the time when the fWlding of those Services) - I move: bodies ceased to be based on the Hospitals and Charities FWld. That this Bill be now read a second time. The Health Services Act came into operation almost This is a simple Bill intended to continue postponing three years ago and about 50 bodies have yet to some effects of the repeal of the Hospitals and reincorporate. Some have requested further time to Charities Act. In 1988 the Health Services Act organise reincorporation. For some reincorporation repealed the Hospitals and Charities Act, wlder has meant a reassessment of operations and a chance which institutions and benevolent societies were to design rules more suitable to the individual registered or incorporated and were eligible for organisation. Sometimes it has required complex funding from the Hospitals and Charities FWld. choices about membership, meetings and Most of the regulatory provisions applied only to organisational structures. Although these processes bodies receiving money from the fWld, which was are generally positive, they are always time set up under the Act. Since 1985 funding of the consuming. bodies providing community services has been provided through Commwlity Services Victoria and For those reasons the govemment agrees that it is those bodies have been subject to very little direct desirable to extend the operation of the SW15et regulation under the Act. clause, which continued any existing incorporation for up to three years. That seemed like a long time, The Health Services Act modemised the law but commwlity organisations are not always able to regulating health care agencies, repealing the move quickly and it is reasonable to allow them a Hospitals and Charities Act and setting up new little extra time. structures for health services and funding. Community service organisations remained mostly In addition the Bill extends the part of the sunset Wlfegulated by legislation; their accountability to provision which continued the Hospitals and govemment is maintained through audit Charities Act for registered bodies funded through requirements and service agreements reached when Community Services Victoria. That avoids any funds are made available. One of the effects of confusion which might result from extending one repealing the Hospitals and Charities Act was to part of the sunset provision and not the other. It leave to the organisations decisions about their continues only miIlimum regulatory provisions for accountability to members and their intemal those orgallisations. The relationship between those structures. organisations and the department is now govemed mostly by service agreements. When the SW15et When the Hospitals and Charities Act was repealed proviSion finally operates at the extended time of 30 more than 2500 organisations were set up under it. June 1994 provided m the Bill, all those agreements Of those, just more than 300 were incorporated. The will have been in place for some time. repeal gave extra time for those incorporated bodies which were not reincorporated by the Health As I have said, this is a simple Bill designed to make Services Act to make other arrangements about life a little easier for some charitable organisations. structure so that they would not be thrown into administrative or financial chaos by the sudden loss I commend the Bill to the House. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Debate adjourned on motion of Dr NAPTHINE In the time since the Bill was introduced here the (Portland). govenunent has had not one but three spokespersons on conservation. The then Minister Debate adjourned until Tuesday, 7 April. occupied a seat in this Chamber, but now look what we have - two changes of responsibility in about HERITAGE RIVERS BILL the past week!

Second reading Let us separate rhetoric from fact. Last week in an obviously leaked press release to the media the Age Debate resumed from 24 October 1991; motion of newspaper produced an article, part of which states: Mr CRABB (then Minister for Conservation and Environment). Seventeen of Victoria's least-spoilt rivers will be protected from dams, dredging and other development Mr HONEYWOOO (Warrandyte) - I ask the under legislation to be introduced in State Parliament. House to reflect for a moment on the meaning of "heritage" because it conjures up all sorts of The government has got it wrong and does not romantic notions associated with history and realise that the Bill was introduced about five tradition and what has been gained from that months ago. The then Minister for Conservation and history and tradition. Environment chose not to proceed with the Bill even though the opposition had its pOSition well worked When one refers to "heritage rivers", as the out and was ready to debate the legislation; but the govemment has decided to call the Bill, one govenunent chose not to proceed. This Bill is not immediately thinks of fathers and sons standing new. fishing by rivers; of boats plying the River Murray with timber and other produce, as they did many Indeed, the government has continually paid years ago; and of other traditional uses - perhaps lip-service to other important conservation Bills that goldmining in the Yarra River in my electorate, an have come before this place. Last week honourable activity that was so much part of Victoria's heritage members debated an important environmental Bill and formed so much of our economic well-being. -namely, the Vermin and Noxious Weeds (Poison Baits) Bill. The government was so concerned about However the government is very good at choosing the environment that not one of its members was in appropriate cliches to describe legislation, and this Chamber until the debate had been proceeding perhaps emotional terms to inspire some sort of for some time. Even the Minister responsible for the pounding of the breast, one may say, by lobbyists handling of the Bill in this place did not enter the and by various interested parties. Certainly the Chamber for the first 4 minutes of debate, and only govenunent has come up with a good one this time after an adjoumment motion was moved did he in referring to this Bill as the Heritage Rivers Bill. deign to appear -- This tired govemment which has been in power in Victoria for ten years comes up with these jingOistic The ACTING SPEAKER (OrVaughan)­ descriptions of Bills. The government applies its Order! I presume this is only a passing reference by thinking to the terminology in the Bill while in the honourable member; otherwise it would be out reality it takes away rights from Victorians and stops of order. people from gaining proper access to rivers, as is the case in this Bill, and from enjoying the benefits of Mr HONEYWOOO - Yes, Mr Acting Speaker, it our heritage and the traditional uses I have already is a passing reference to the fact that the government referred to. pays lip-service to important environmental issues as it did to the debate on last week's important Bill. Prior to speaking on this Bill today I had to dust off my speech. The govenunent, divorcing rhetoric from The Bill before the House emanates from the Land reality, maintained it would have this Bill passed Conservation Council (LCC). I am sure all through Parliament last year. About five months honourable members will be well aware of that have passed since the last 1991 sitting day when the body; it was established under the provisions of the government chose for its own purposes not to Land Conservation Act. proceed with this important Bill. Its responsibility is to carry out investigations and to make recommendations to the Minister for HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Conservation and Environment on the use of public The Bill could also be titled the Rivers Management land in order to provide for a balanced use of land in Bill or Notable Rivers Bill. I think the word Victoria. The government has dreamt up the word "management" is more applicable if one examines "heritage" in the name of the Bill but I submit that the heart of the Bill. Whatever its formal title, the the word ''balance'' is the key word. legislation provides the Victorian community with an opportunity of effectively coordinating The opposition foreshadows a number of management of one of our natural resources - that amendments that will give the Bill its proper balance is, our major rivers and waterways. for the benefit of all Victorians rather than a few. The practical outcome of the Bill will be to permit at In making its recommenda tions on criteria and in least seventeen rivers to be managed properly, with emphasising the need to protect significant clearly defined management plans, from the river's conservation and recreation values, the LCC must source to its mouth or its confluence with another have regard to both the present and future needs of river or stream. the people of Victoria. If one travels overseas and examines rivers in One must remember the word "recreation" when cowltries like Canada and Great Britain, one finds talking about conservation. Recreation should go that for many years those nations have given due hand in hand with proper, balanced conservation. recognition to their waterways as their life's blood. Too often on important environment Bills the They regard water, whether it be water for drinking government locks the publiC out of public land so or for navigation purposes, as a vital resource to be that the people are not permitted to enjoy the looked after in a coordinated way. recreational values that the land would normally give. In COWl tries such as Canada and Great Britain, approval is required before any barrier or obstacle is I shall talk about conservation and recreation in placed in the path of a river's flow, and balance in the context of the LCC's ability to make subsequently it is strictly controlled. Surely in this such recommendations to Parliament. In June 1987 State, where we have far fewer natural waterways the government directed the LCC to conduct a than in other cowltries, our responsibility is even special investigation of Victoria's rivers and streams greater to protect the flow of water and not allow it in accordance with an Order in Cowlcil. Under to be wlduly hindered, interrupted or abused so that section 8 of the Land Conservation Act 1970 the it may be available for the benefit of the wider cowlcil is required to carry out an investigation of commwlity. A river provides significant benefits to the scenic, recreational, cultural and ecological the entire commwlity, whether it is used to improve values of rivers and streams in Victoria and to make pasture for cattle grazing, navigational purposes, recommendations on the use of those rivers and how crop irrigation, flood mitigation or some other their identified values can best be protected. That is purpose. a laudable objective. In summary, therefore, the Heritage Rivers Bill is In September 1989 the LCC published a special intended to formally identify and give status to the resources report on Victorian rivers and streams major rivers of our State and so protect them. It is which described their natural, cultural heritage, hoped the aim will be achieved mainly through recreation and scenic values. Its stated purpose was altered public perception. In more technical terms, to ensure that everyone had an interest in the future the aim will be achieved because any proposed of our waterways and their catchments. One can change in the use of water from our major rivers will obtain a copy of that report and study the basic require specific Parliamentary approval, rather than information the LCC collected. meeting the current requirement, which provides that such a proposal is dealt with by application to a Final recommendations were released in JWle 1991. I government department. recommend that report to all honourable members. I t took four years for the report to be finalised, and In essence, a coordinated management of our major rightly so because it is an important issue. It is a rivers will ensure that we have clean water. After all, shame there are no govenunent members present in clean water, along with clean air and clean food, is the House to listen to the debate. fundamental to life in our society. To understand the significance of clean air, honourable members need consider only what happened the other day in HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Mexico City, where factories had to be closed Firstly, the opposition will move to protect and because of the heavy air pollution in that large city. specifically mention rights to graze cattle on Crown Children had to go home from school and people land. This was referred to on page 32 of the Land were not able to finish their day's work; the air Conservation Cowlcil report. One of the pollution has reached such a level that that city has recommendations states: become unlivable. where currently permitted, and at the discretion of the Honourable members should consider also the corridor managers, public land within the Victorian problems faced by people who go to Melbourne heritage river corridors continue to be available for beaches where the water has been polluted. Other grazing, except where this would prevent revegetation terrible problems arise from circumstances such as of the banks and frontage reserves, or cause bank those surrounding the Chernobyl reactor disaster, erosion, degradation of water quality, or damage sites where the nuclear fallout resulted in no water being of cultural significance ... available for drinking and dead fish floating on rivers. This is an all-encompaSSing recommendation, and the government chose to ignore significant parts of In the past twelve months Victorian rivers have this special report. Indeed some of the suffered attacks of blue-green algae that have recommendations, if applied comprehensively, devastated a number of towns. If the appropriate would cause major problems, particularly for river authorities had given the problem some graziers and families who have had traditional attention in its earliest days - even a few years rights to use the water source for their stock. ago - and put in place a coordinated management scheme, the devastation that has been wihlessed In foreshadowing the amendment I refer specifically would not have occurred. Victorians would not have to clause 7 of the Bill, which refers to the powers and had to endure the spectre of people in some small duties of managing authorities: towns having drinking water brought in, or of (1) A managing authority of a heritage river area must, children being told at the height of summer that they in so far as it is consistent with the authority's duty could no longer enjoy swimming in the local to manage the area responsibly - waterhole or of stock not being able to gain access to the water supply essential for survival. (a) take all reasonable steps to ensure that the significant nature conservation, recreation, scenic or cultural Although the problems associated with polluted heritage attributes of the area are protected; and waterways can be identified overseas, they are also (b) subject to paragraph (a), take all reasonable steps to very much at our own back door. As I said, the provide opportunities for other recreational blue-green algae attacks created many problems, activities, landscape appreciation and education and pollution of rivers and streams has created within the area ... problems for recreational bathers in this State. It goes on to say: The current and potential problems highlight the (3) A managing authority has the power to do need for coordinated management of our rivers and everything that is necessary for it to do to give streams on a comprehensive basis. Therefore it is not effect to this Act. surprising that the Bill is comprehensive in its application. The concern that has been raised by many families who have had traditional access rights to major However, a responsible opposition must consider rivers is that the clause as set out in the Bill will such a Bill seriously because of its impact upon serve to deny grazing rights and, therefore, act to the traditional users. As I said at the outset, heritage is detriment of a large section of the Victorian about learning from history - that is, our past­ commwlity. On that basis I foreshadow new clause and applying those lessons for the future. 7(1)(d), which will not take away existing rights to graze cattle. That is the opposition's first and The opposition will move five major amendments to perhaps most significant amendment in support of the proposed legislation when the Bill is in the other the concept of heritage and traditional user rights. place. For the benefit of the government and the wider community, I shall state the intention of those The opposition also intends to move to amend the amendments. Bill to ensure that dam construction on rivers is subject only to Governor in Council approval - in HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

328 ASSEMBLY Tuesday. 24 March 1992 other words, the Governor in CowlCil will be the The govenunent should have no difficulty in appropriate authority to authorise the construction accepting such an amendment. If the government is of dams on rivers. I point out that, of course, the as responsible and as willing to listen to the concerns opposition has no plans for dams to be constructed of the people of this State as it claims it is, it should on any heritage river and no future policy in this support the amendment. regard. In that light I refer to correspondence the opposition Nonetheless clause 10 of the Bill raises some has received from the Associa tion of Victorian River concerns. Under the heading "Land and water uses Management Authorities, which is legitimately which are not permitted in heritage river areas" it concerned about some of the possible consequences states: of the Bill.

(1) An impoundment, artificial barrier or structure that I quote from a letter dated 10 December 1991 and impedes the passage of water fauna must not be written by the president of the association, constructed in a heritage river area specified in Mr Hubert Miller, in reply to correspondence from Column 1 of Schedule 3. the Department of Conservation and EnvirOlunent. It also states: In writing about the future directions of waterway management, w1der the heading "State govenunent (3) Any new water diversion from a waterway funding" Mr Miller says: upstream from the lowest point of a heritage river area specified in Column 3 of Schedule 3 must not If the present limitations of the river management significantly impair the nature conservation, industry can be traced to any single cause, it is its recreation, scenic or cultural heritage attributes of history of continued, chronic undercapitalisation. the area. The opposition is saying that the Governor in Too often the government establishes structures and Council is the appropriate authority to authorise authorities and makes big statements about the dam construction on such rivers, and on that basis I importance of heritage and conservation but does foreshadow that amendment, which will'be moved not provide the necessary resources and proper in another place. equipment for their implementation. The authorities are then left with no choice but to do the best they The third amendment the opposition will propose in can and, in some circumstances, to provide the other place will include a provision for the inadequate services, all because the government creation, display, amendment or disallowance of any does not provide the fW1ds necessary to support management plans. In that context I direct to the such legisla tion. attention of the Minister section 7 of the Water Act 1989, which sets out a similar mechanism. One can w1derstand the concern expressed by the president of the association about the history of We are concerned to ensure that management plans continued and chrOluc undercapitalisation of the are displayed and open for thorough discussion. Too river system. often in the past ten years the government's plaruung procedures and plamung scheme The proposed amendment will ensure that the amendments have been implemented in ways that government gives proper consideration to providing have denied those that stand to be affected, whether the resources necessary for those authorities to meet individuals or comrnwlity orgalusations, the the goals and aspirations, many of them laudable, opportwlity of having an input into whether the contained in the Heritage Rivers Bill. procedures and amendments are in their best interests. I also quote from correspondence from the Department of Conservation and Environment, The foreshadowed amendment will require river dated 13 September 1991, about the future direction management plans to be displayed and to be open of waterway management. for thorough discussion by all vested interests, including comrnwuty organisations, that are The letter is addressed to Des Grigg, the secretary of legitimately concerned about the effects a the above association, and is signed by David management plan amendment may have on the Downie, the deputy director-general of the river in question. department. One of the most important paragraphs in Mr Downie's letter states: HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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River management authorities must establish links amendment, as the management plan for the with other authorities which have assured revenue. purposes of this section. Existing authorities which meet this requirement and (3) A management plan made or adopted under this which have functions most closely related to river section does not take effect until it is approved by management authorities are the water authorities. the Minister. Therefore I feel that the future strength of the river management industry depends on the restructuring of (4) A management plan may be amended or revoked by water and river management authorities to form new a managing authority with the approval of the regional or catchment-based multifunctional Minister. authorities. (5) If a management plan has been revoked, the managing authority must make another The govemment is feeding the line that bigger is management plan. better and that smaller organisations should be amalgamated. That is again often a laudable The govenunent is attempting under this clause to objective and one that the opposition believes may establish onerous legislative requirements, but again have merit because it could enable the proper values the opposition wants to know what resources will be of a heritage river to be protected from its source to provided. How will the government provide its opening onto the sea, but where are the resources? resources for the managing authority and the various quangos that have a vested interest in the I realise the Minister for Finance is a new Minister management of a heritage river area or natural and did not really want to take on this onerous catchment area? For those reasons the opposition conservation spokesperson responsibility, but I call foreshadows an amendment to clause 8. on him to give a commitment to provide resources to the managing authorities. If it is done properly, as As responsible opposition members, we are occurs in Canada, Great Britain and many European prepared to discuss the proposed amendment in countries, those authorities will be provided with more detail while the Bill is between Houses, if the adequate resources; not like what has occurred with govemment is so inclined. other government authorities, which have picked up the $710 million government debt - although that is The opposition is also not comfortable with clause now qualified at $630 million - over which they 17, and it seeks from the Minister an explanation have no control. about its intent. The clause provides the power to enter into agreements. It states: Revenue allocated to the managing authorities should be used by them for the purpose for which it A managing authority may enter an agreement with is entrusted and should not end up in consolidated any other managing authority, government department revenue or be used as a means of bailing out future or publiC statutory body of Victoria, the government debt. In other words, resources should Commonwealth or any other State or Territory of the be locked into those managing authorities. Commonwealth or any other person or organisation with respect to the exercise of its powers under this Act. For all these reasons the opposition is concemed to ensure that clause 7 will provide sufficient resources Honourable members know the government has to those authorities, resources that they so rightly sold the farm; it has sold the Crown jewels of deserve. The relevant section in the Water Act Victoria and now it is conducting a fire sale of referred to above should provide a mechanism that govemment buildings in the central business is a model for the amendment foreshadowed by the district. We know there is not much money in the opposition. kitty, and we are concemed that under clause 17 the govenunent will be able to sell the water of the State. Clause 8 of the Bill before us provides: The clause will make it easier for the government to (1) A managing authority of a heritage river area or enter into private arrangements or shady deals with natural catchment area must prepare a some of its fellow travellers, or entrepreneurs, as the management plan for the area within 5 years of the Western Australian government did with Alan Bond area having been brought under the Act. and this govemment did with Christopher Skase. It (2) If a management plan is in existence at the time any could divert streams and rivers to sell water at a area is brought under the Act it may be adopted by profit, thereby hindering the rights of the traditional the managing authority, with or without users regardless of whether the water is used in HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

330 ASSEMBLY Tuesday. 24 March 1992 conjW1ction with grazing purposes, for drinking or spotted tree frog or pulmonia frostii. I assume the for any other purpose that is the right of the people honourable member for Narracan will refer to the of Victoria. pulmonia frostii in his speech later this day.

Mr Evans - They are doing that with the The LCC also identified most of the twelve bridge or Thomson River. ford crossings in the Aberfeldy River corridor as important for car-based camping, which is cOW1ted Mr HONEYWOOD - I agree with the as one of the determining values in assessing a honourable member for Gippsland East. As river's heritage. responsible opposition members we have been able only to stand by and watch the govenunent selling Apparently owing to time constraints the LCC our heritage but, when we have the ability to act, we criteria of scenic landscape value was not applied to are not going to stand by and allow the abuse of this the Aberfeldy River by the consultants who important natural resource - our waterways. For evaluated the scenic values of rivers across the State. those reasons we will move an amendment to the However, using senior classification and clause. methodology a preliminary assessment by the LCe staff indicated that the river has two extensive and We seek an explanation about the intent of the four dispersed features. Other values listed in the clause because we have heard from various sources LCC criteria were fishing, canoeing, geological that it has a sinister intent indeed. We will amend it exposures and National Estate registration, which to delete the power to enter into agreements W11ess contribute to the Aberfeldy's features. they are restricted specifically to the ability to liaise with other States - for example, specifically over Why has the govenunent not moved to protect the the River Murray. I am sure all honourable members Aberfeldy? Perhaps the answer relates to water will agree that the River Murray is a special case. It resources. Since 1960 Aberfeldy River water has is the lifeblood of three States - South Australia, been considered for diversion through the Thomson Victoria and New South Wales. scheme to Melboume. A diversion downstream from Lily Creek is included as one of the twenty The River Murray is an exception because we need separate options being considered by the Melbourne to have ongOing negotiations to ensure that the river Water Resources Review. A report entitled Water is protected, particularly with the prospect of paper Resources Planning prepared by Melbourne Water mills and so on being constructed close to the river comments that the Aberfeldy proposal has the in order to use its water. We need to ensure that the benefits of low capital and wlit costs. However, our three different States can get together to negotiate diligent local members have brought this other proper agreements that will benefit all residents. factor to our attention: it has always had a low total water yield and presently it contributes to the Finally, the opposition will amend the Bill in another Thomson envirOlunental flow and agricultural place to add the Aberfeldy River to the heritage supplies downstream. This issue was verified by the rivers in the Bill. I know a number of honourable LCC in its written advice to the opposition. We are members will refer to the great value of this river. surprised the govenunent did not support or agree The govemment has moved to enshrine only with the inclusion of this important river with the seventeen rivers as heritage rivers. The opposition is seventeen other rivers. as concemed about the heritage of river systems as it is about genuine conservation and recreational As responSible opposition members we are values. concemed to examine the true conservation values throughout the State. I commend this LCC special If balanced use were made of the Aberfeldy River it investigation report to honourable members. We would seem appropriate for inclusion in the listing, have moved to include this additional river so that and the Land Conservation Cowlcil has advised the there will be eighteen heritage rivers provided for in opposition in this regard. We will move to recognise the Bill, and this will benefit future generations. the known values of the Aberfeldy River within a notional corridor of 200 metres each side of the river The govemment is strong on rhetoric when it comes from the junction of the north and south branches - to conservation. We have all heard about the the MOWlt Selma track crossing - to the Thomson supposed 1 billion trees that were to have been River confluence. In this area there have been planted. Has a cowlting posse been sent out to verified sightings of the Blue MOW1tains frog and the investigate whether the govemment has reached 25 HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday. 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 331 or 30 per cent of that planting? We do not hear have significant natural conservation, recreation, anything about that now, but one or two years ago scenic or cultural heritage attributes, and it makes the govemment was talking about all the trees that related amendments to other Acts. would be planted. The conduct of rivers varies across the State from Once the Bill has passed the govenllnent will my part of Victoria in the north west where rivers implement its final recommendations, but the have only occasional flows to East Gippsland where opposition has genuine concems; the govemment is rivers flow almost continuously. The Bill must be big on rhetoric about conservation but it should also considered in that context. In my part of the State consider balanced use. As I mentioned, balanced use rivers are regarded basically as drains or channels to includes consideration of the proper recreational rWl water or clear water from time to time, and I values of rivers. Balanced use also includes the shall speak on that aspect later. rights of traditional farmers to graze stock and maintain access to the rivers and streams. Under the At about 7.30 this moming I had a jog around the Bill the govemment seeks to deny those rights. Fitzroy gardens and as I came back to Parliament I met a former Labor member in the car park. He told Traditional heritage rights could also include the me that in the past eight years both Federal and rights of, for instance, recreational deer hunters. State govemments have provided about $1 million a year to conservation groups in this State and Mr W. D. McGrath interjected. basically all the groups have done has been to hit the govemment over the head with the money that has Mr HONEYWOOD - The honourable member been provided to them. It was a salient point coming for Lowan interjects that deer might make good from a former Labor member of this House. companion animals in another context. I do not know whether the credibility of the Clause 12 outlaws the carrying out of certain uses conservation groups remains the same as it was four and activities in natural catchment areas and, in or five years ago in the minds of people. I have subclause (I), includes the introduction of always been sceptical about some conservation non-indigenous species of fawla. That would groups. I come from a farming background and I depend on the natural catchment areas of the rivers wlderstand the balance needed between proposed to be made heritage rivers under the Bill. conservation and working with nature. We are all One could question whether the outlawing of the placed on trial from time to time but we must work introduction of non-indigenous species, which to achieve a balance between development and would include introduced deer, would deny deer production and conservation values in an overall hWlters their traditional recreational activity. The program. Too many conservationists have a single opposition will seek some assurance from the purposes attitude: to lock up and deny the access of Minister for Finance, who is at the table. people in the community to much of our public land. I am critical of that philosophy; there must be a The opposition has been concemed to preserve the balance between development, production and heritage rights of people who use rivers for conservation. I appreCiate that if that balance is not recreation, whether they be car-based campers, kept within two or three generations the land may recreational deer hunters, canoeists or fishermen, not be able to produce enough to keep the State because they all have rights. It is in that context of going and to provide exports for the economic balanced usage that we foreshadow amendments to well-being of the State. the Bill. I west to East Gippsland on a couple of occasions Apart from that the opposition supports the Bill. A<:­ with the honourable member for East Gippsland I said, it is a detailed Bill that arises from four years and the shadow Minister for natural resources in of comprehensive investigation by the Land this place, the honourable member for Syndal, to Conservation Cow1Cil and it has merit for the future look at some of the concems of people along the conservation values of this State. Mitchell River and the famous Snowy River.

Mr W. D. McGRATH (Lowan) - This important Mr Richardson - And the spotted tree frog? Bill makes provision for Victorian heritage rivers by proViding for the protection of particular parts of Mr W. D. McGRATH - We did not have the rivers and river catchment areas in Victoria which spotted tree frog identified for us. However, it was a HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

332 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 valuable trip and it was interesting talking to the has been able to encourage people to undertake people of Bairnsdale. For instance, we spoke to the reclamation work on the river. I give full credit to manager of Gardenland, a successful snap-freezing these people for the way they are attacking the processing plant that employs 250 people. He said problem. that if the enterprise were guaranteed continuity and security of water supply, which it is dependent on However, there is a need for the stock of adjoining from the Mitchell River, it could double its landowners to have access to river frontages from production. The Mitchell River flats are highly time to time. Although it may be necessary to fence productive vegetable areas. Grown and processed off some of the land so that stock do not have access there are peas, beans, sweet con1, capsicum, all the time, at times stock should be granted access. zucchinis, cabbages, cauliflower, tomatoes, carrots, I assure the House that local farmers have a much and soon. better idea of the appropriate time to use the area for limited grazing than bureaucrats. They have a much It is important that some time in the future the better idea of good management practices for the proposal of the previous Liberal government to land adjoining our rivers. build a dam on the Mitchell River is placed back on the agenda. We foreshadow amendments that will I turn now to the Wimmera River which basically allow Governor in Council approval for a dam to be rW1S from one end of the electorate I represent to the built on any heritage river. I should like the Minister other. at the table, the Minister for Finance, to take that point to heart because it is one of the key Mc Austin - It starts in mine! amendments we will put forward today. That proposal is not a dead issue. It could be Mc W. D. McGRATH - The river commences in implemented at the appropriate time when funds the Landsborough-Crowlands area of the Ripon are made available. electorate and makes its way north. Recently I inspected some of the work of the Wimmera Who knows what sort of economic malaise we will Catchment Coordinating Group, which is headed up inherit when we come to government but at least by Barry Clugston. This group is implementing this proposal can be left on the agenda so that at many good management practices in country some time in the future the damming of the Victoria, particularly the reclamation work in the Mitchell River can be implemented to guarantee that region that takes in the Pyrenees Ranges. security of water supply. Some 60 to 100 years ago a decision was made to It is essential for that processing plant, the farming clear fell a lot of that country. The lack of knowledge commw1ity and producers to secure absolutely the of people at the time resulted in Significant damage water supply for Bairnsdale. Bairnsdale is one of the but governments were in favour of clear felling. The few growing cities in cow1try Victoria. As a result of government of the day provided a railway line, intensive farming and good local representation which I believe was closed in 1920, from Stawell to many people now consider the Landsborough. That is an indication of how long ago Bairnsdale-Paynesville area of East Gippsland as a it was. The line was built to facilitate the movement good environment and climate in which to retire. It of timber to the Melbourne metropolitan area to is only natural that the Bairnsdale water board and provide for domestic and industrial heating. Land population want to develop a secure water supply conservation groups and adjoining landowners have for the region. borne the responsibility of reclaiming land by replanting trees, filling in gullies and so on in an It was interesting to travel 150 kilometres north attempt to improve the land. At the same time they through East Gippsland to observe the amount of have taken into account the need to balance work being done by the Snowy River Improvement production and conservation values. Trust to prevent degradation. The Snowy River does not have to be declared a heritage river because the Because of the salinity and siltation in the Wimmera trust has moved ahead of government legislation over the past 40 to 50 years it is no wonder various and has fenced off the fragile areas of the river. commwuty groups are using the Wimmera River HW1dreds of trees have been planted by local Integrated Catchment Management Strategy, which is a volw1teers along the river and the trust will make a draft report produced by the Wimmera Catchment limited amow1t of grazing available. It is to the Coordinating Group. Sections of the Wimmera River credit of the Snowy River Improvement Trust that it HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 333 in the Dimboola region will be classified as heritage of the banks and frontage reserves, or cause bank river areas in the proposed legislation. erosion, degradation of water quality, or damage sites of cultural significance. The report considers the management of land, stream frontages and flood plains, water quality and Once again the cOWlcil is not closing off the options supply, native vegetation and wildlife, fisheries, pest for stock grazing, yet this Bill does close them off. plants and animals, cultural heritage, recreation and tourism. This worthwhile document addresses many I emphasise to the Minister the need for the important issues. It would be much better if the government to consider the amendments govemment provided grants to conservation groups foreshadowed by the coalition opposition. The such as this. It has a proper, balanced, coordinated report again refers to grazing and recommends at management program to rectify the problems page 33 that: associated with the Wimmera River over many years. grazing be strictly controlled or excluded either temporarily or permanently by the land managers from Blue-green algae has been a significant problem in areas found to have important plant or animal Victorian waterways over the past four or five years. communities that would be significantly impaired by It is important for commwlities to understand what continued grazing. is being put into the river system. It is no use blaming farmers for using fertiliser phosphates or Again the council is not closing off the option of communities along the various rivers for disposing grazing. of sewage; we do not know what is increasing the incidence of blue-green algae in our rivers, but we I recently spoke to a retired regional manager of must quickly address the problem. The govemment conserva tion and environment. Mr Don Spence from should ensure that research is wldertaken in the Horsham was with the old Forests Commission and near future to understand why these blue-green I wlderstand he had a very good relationship with algae outbreaks occur from time to time. the Premier when she was Minister for Conservation, Forests and Lands. When I asked him I refer honourable members to the final for advice on this matter he said he thought it was recommendations of the Land Conservation CowlCil quite ridiculous to have a management plan that special investigation report Rivers and Streams. I excluded grazing and even people from an area would be less than honest if I said the Land 200 metres on either side of the rivers mentioned in Conservation COWlcil was the favourite body of the this Bill. He said we should continue to allow National Party because the cowlcil has been firewood to be collected and allow shooters to shoot criticised by the National Party over the years; but fauna and vermin in these areas. for the benefit of the Minister and the government I will emphasise why the coalition is pressing for the There are from time to time outbreaks of high foreshadowed amendments to be made to the Bill. populations of rabbits and this will occur particularly if we exclude stock and people from At page 32, wlder the heading "Victorian Heritage those areas. Rabbits thrive very well. I might add Rivers - Recommendations", the report that they do far more damage to river banks and recommends that: vegetation than would stock or people. Also they are not able to identify which are rare species of timber-harvesting not be permitted in Victorian vegetation and leave them alone; if the vegetation is heritage river corridors, except where specified for tasty the rabbits will eat the rare species just as much particular rivers below. as the common species of grass and so on.

Therefore the Land Conservation COWlcil is saying The old forester, Don Spence, makes the very salient we should not close off all our options for timber point that we should continue to allow access for harvesting in Victorian heritage river corridors. The people to that 2oo-metre band on each side of a river report also recommends: and that we should not keep shooters or members of the public out of those areas. He says we should not where currently permitted, and at the discretion of the ban them from going into those areas but that we corridor managers, public land within the Victorian should try to encourage them to control vermin. heritage river corridors continue to be available for grazing, except where this would prevent revegetation HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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There are vast amow1ts of Crown land in the w1derstands where we are coming from in seeking Wimmera. Mr Spence was telling me that there has its agreement with the foreshadowed amendments. been something like a 75 per cent increase in Crown land in the region. We believe there is a need to incorporate provisions for the creation, display, amendment or Public access is being denied along the Wimmera disallowance of any management plans. Sometimes River and Mr Spence talked about the West Wail management plans are put forward that are not in State Forest, which has now been declared a flora the best interests of overall sound management; and faw1a reserve, the Glen Lee Reserve and the occasionally two or three bureaucrats collaborate Barrets Reserve. They are significant areas of land. I together and put forward a plan that is not in the believe it is around the Glen Lee Reserve that the best interests of proper management. Indeed, if bronze winged butterfly, which is of some note, has management plans are displayed that are not its habitat. satisfactory we want the right, through legislation, to disallow them. The point has been made to those of us who represent country areas that there needs to be access Also we will move an amendment to remove the to those areas from time to time. The people who power to enter into agreements unless they are have more knowledge of the appropriate time for restricted or subject to disallowance, which is access are those who live in the vicinity; the local something to which we are fairly well-committed. farming commwuties who are working with local departmental officers are the ones who can bring I must say that after visiting East Gippsland and about proper management strategies that will realising the importance that is placed on the protect and look after those fragile Crown land development of a darn on the Mitchell River for the areas, whether they be along the banks of a heritage reasons that I mentioned earlier, I can understand river, as proposed in this Bill, or in a national or the need to amend this Bill to provide for the State park somewhere arow1d Victoria. Governor in Council to facilitate the damming ef the Mitchell River at some time in the future. It should I came across a classic example of misguided be borne in mind that prior to 1982 that project was direction when I attended the Victorian Farmers on the policy list of the Liberal Party and it would Federation grains conference at Mildura last week. A. have received a fair amow1t of support from the farmer who has a property in the region on the local members. Indeed, preliminary roadways were South Australian border told me that the water put in place to facilitate the building of the dam and supply was piped out from his property and there I suppose it must have been a great disappointment was a pipe rwming out about a mile and a half into for the people of East Gippsland when that posItive the national park; that is where the kangaroos and project, which would have brought about positive the emus sought their water supply and therefore programs thereafter, was shelved. they grazed within that radius of a mile and a half of the water point. However, the government of the We need to place it on the agenda to facilitate the day decided, through its department, that the water damming at some time in the future in cooperation should no longer be piped from that area, so the with the people of Gippsland. kangaroos and emus congregated on the farmer's property - there would be 100 of them at any given The coalition has reservations about what is behind time - and they would eat the wheat crop on his the govenunent's philosophy in its declaration of property while looking for their water source. That seventeer. rivers as heritage rivers. If the is how sensible that type of policy or direction is! government intends to go down that path the amendments being proposed should be facilitated as Perhaps the decision was made because the property the debate proceeds. was at the furthest north-western point of Victoria and it was not considered very important, but I As I mentioned earlier, the Wimmera River needs to point out that it is just as important to that farmer as be improved. I am not sure that having part of the the building of a car park here in the centre of river declared a heritage river will bring about that Melbourne is to somebody else. improvement faster or better than if the work were undertaken now. Other aspects of the Bill should be amended and the coalition will be driving hard both here and in I ask the govenunent to facilitate the amendments another place to ensure that the government that I and the honourable member for Warrandyte HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday. 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 335 have outlined in the debate. This will be a long those rivers are not heritage rivers. I find that debate and many honourable members will wish to strange. put a point of view on this issue. It will be in the best interests of Victoria if the views put by honourable There is clear evidence that the construction of dams members are balanced and objective. and weirs in Victoria to meet the water supply needs of a growing population and a developing nation Mr AUSTIN (Ripon) - The Heritage Rivers Bill has had severe effects on the environment. It is not provides for the protection of particular parts of difficult to find many examples around Victoria of a rivers and river catchment areas which have detrimental effect on water temperature, water flow significant nature conservation, recreation, scenic or and water quality with the consequent effects on fish cultural heritage attributes; amends the breeding and water bird preservation, which Conservation, Forests and Land Act 1987, the Land everyone knows is important, particularly at this Conservation Act 1970 and the Water Act 1989; and time of the year. other purposes. That summarises in a nutshell what the Bill is all about. When Liberal governments were in office extensive developments of dams and weirs increased water It is strange that the government should select supply and water storages across Victoria. At that various rivers and streams throughout Victoria as time man's requirements were obvious, but perhaps being of particular significance and then apply to insufficient thought went into the process or there them the term ''heritage rivers". I am not sure what was not sufficient knowledge and understanding of that makes the remainder of the rivers and streams some of the severe side effects of those dams and in Victoria; they must be non-heritage rivers and weirs, such as the subsequent restrictions to natural streams. water flow.

It is interesting to note the great interest of A good example is the Wimmera River, which the government members in the Bill. For most of the Deputy Leader of the National Party spoke about at debate, apart from the Minister for Finance, who is length. The diversion of the Wimmera River made a at the table, not one government member has been tremendous difference to the ecology at the Mallee in the Chamber. A government member has now end. Honourable members who went to the Mallee come in. So we have a Minister and one government National Park during the debate on that park last backbench member with an interest in this Bill, year would have observed and been told about the which concerns the whole of Victoria and is trees that survived because of flooding that took important to the ecology of the rivers and streams of place either alU1ually or over a couple of years. the State. When the river was diverted the flooding no longer occurred and that changed the whole nature of the The Bill has caused considerable comment and, no area. doubt, interest throughout Victoria. In his second-reading speech the then Minister for As Victoria's population increases and as changes Conservation and Environment said the Bill was and development take place in the future - when introduced as a result of the government's there is a change of government - there will be commitment to preserve Victoria's rivers and further demands for water. Those demands can be catchment areas in at least their then existing met only by either increasing catchments, both by condition. I suppose that in itself is commendable. enlarging present dams and by creating new dams, or by in some way saving existing water supplies. To that end the government commissioned the Land Conservation Cow1cil to investigate the important Existing water supplies can be preserved only ecological, cultural and recreational aspects of rivers through the sensible use of water and by educating and streams throughout Victoria. The result was people to be responSible in their use of water. There Rivers and Streams Special Investigation Final have been attempts to do that through the Recommendations, a glossy and well put together introduction of dual-flush cisterns and the "Don't be document which is full of maps. The map in the final a Wally with water" advertising campaign. recommendations shows bits of rivers coloured blue and bits of rivers coloured yellow and says some are The advertising campaign has been useful. The most more significant than others; only parts of rivers are recent advertisement shows a picture of Wally shown, which means that the remaining parts of looking down a valley, and the suggestion is that if HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

336 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 you do not save water that valley will be lost to a big lists, as suggested in the Bill. It would be absurd for dam. That is a fairly telling sort of advertisement. any govemment to give a commitment to going down that path because we do not know what the Of course, traditionally city people have not needs of the future will be, and we do not know that Wlderstood the value of water. They tum on taps a dam on one of those rivers might not do far less thinking the water will just fWl forever. People in ecological damage than on some other stream or the COWl try, however, have had to conserve water river not included in the Bill. Looking ahead to the because of the very limited supply in most rural future, some flexibility is needed to move with and areas. Many of these advertising campaigns will not be part of the times. solve the problems of the future, they will only assist. My main reason for speaking on the Bill is my The other big problem is evaporation and seepage in concem for other rivers not included in it. I would some of the water schemes aroWld the State. The like the Minister to refer to this point when he Wimmera Valley water system, which originates in replies in the debate. Does it mean that the resources the Grampians, has a substantial water supply that of effort, money and management will be has been built up over the years. That water is sent concentrated on the seventeen rivers named in the by the Charlton chalmel through hWldreds of Bill? If so, does that mean that other important kilometres of open drain. The evaporation and waterways throughout the State will suffer? seepage is quite immense, and it really is a classic example of a scheme that was designed when water On many occasions in Parliament, whenever there was more expendable and people thought they has been a debate on matters including rivers and could always build another dam. That pOSSibility streams, I have referred to the Wimmera River and does not exist today. some others in the electorate I represent, such as the A voca and the Curdies. The Wimmera Valley scheme should have been piped years ago when perhaps this State and this The waterway to which I refer now is that part of the nation could have afforded it, but over recent years Curdies River that flows from Boggy Creek to costs have grown to colossal proportions. Peterborough. That is the area where Paul Couch Nevertheless it is inevitable that one day that line comes from, and if honourable members do not will be piped. We ca1U10t make any commitment to know him they are obviously not into football! For a doing that sort of thing in the future because there number of years people who have used that river, will not be too much in the kitty when the lived on it and enjoyed it for pleasure and fishing opposition comes into govemment. have watched that great river deteriorate. I have raised the problem in Parliament on many occasions Perhaps it is something that the Federal govemment but no Minister has ever done anything whatsoever should examine. It could become a scheme whereby about it. w1employed people could be given employment, a far more sensible suggestion than an idea floated the I note that the Minister at the table, the Minister for other day of getting young w1employed people to Finance, is not listening. He has his back tumed and catch rabbits and foxes and shoot wild pigs and is talking to somebody on the back bench, so I am goats - I believe that idea is quite terrifying. sure he is not taking the slightest notice and will not be passing on this point to his Ministerial colleague. The Bill provides for the establishment of a heritage river system incorporating seventeen named rivers This is one of the great weaknesses of this or parts of rivers right across Victoria. Parliament. I hope somebody will respond to the requests made in Parliament on matters of such In his lead speech on the Bill the honourable importance. Many letters and submissions have member for Warrandyte foreshadowed the been sent to Ministers on the problem concerning introduction of certain amendments because of the this particular river, but nothing has ever been done. considerable weaknesses in the Bill. Specifically he referred to the grazing of cattle, and also the What is occurring on this great river is that the banks damming of or diversion of any of the named are eroding and a silting effect is going on heritage rivers. unchecked. It is happening because of illegal practices taking place; changes need to be made to It will be quite absurd if, once the Bill has passed, no overcome the problems that exist. dams or weirs are put on any of the heritage river HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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The distance from the Boggy Creek bridge or the I hope the Minister for Finance will direct that Curdievale Bridge, as some people call it, to the matter to the attention of the Minister for Peterborough Bridge, is 7 miles and 70 chains. I Conservation and Environment so that something know that should be in kilometres plus something may be done. This debate will be worthwhile if else, but I have not done that conversion. No doubt, anything I have said prompts the Minister or the somebody else will do it. department to consider problems such as that faced by the Curdies River. The fall from the Curdievale Bridge to the Peterborough Bridge is only 18 inches in that The honourable member for Warrandyte has already considerable distance. The measurements I am using said the opposition will propose amendments to the are taken from the statistics printed in the Bill during the Committee stage. Although there are Department of LAnds Journal of 1935, and that is why I some concerns with the legislation, given that am talking in miles, inches and chains. amendments will be proposed, the opposition does not oppose the Bill. The problem comes about because it is a rowboat river; I guess I do not need to explain what that is. Mr EV ANS (Gippsland East) - This is one of Unfortwlately, many of the boats traversing that those Bills where I find myself in a dilemma because river are far more powerful than rowboats, or even of the requirements of the House to disclose rowboats with low-powered outboard motors. They pecwuary interests. I own and operate a dairy farm are fast craft; they are causing this continual of 180 acres or 77 hectares, half of which are on washing of the banks - a practice that goes on hour either side of the Mitchell River, one of the rivers after hour, day after day. mentioned in the Bill. I rely heavily on the river for all my domestic and stock water supplies as well as The continual washing against the bank results in for the water used in the dairy and for irrigation. It is inevitable erosion and siltation that has a completely impossible to support a herd of 200 cows on 180 and utterly destructive effect on fish habitat. Each acres on the rainfall in that part of the State. I time it happens a little more silting takes place in the suggest very few areas of this State could support river, and the river becomes just that much wider that intensity of agriculture without the use of and slower and obviously shallower. That irrigation. Therefore, it is with a degree of combination causes the covering up of snags, or apprehension that I wonder what is down the track logs, and it very much affects the fish-feeding cycle. for me and my family and what will happen to a heritage river. It covers the snags and destroys the weed beds as well as the coral on the bottom, which is an Some years ago the Commonwealth government important part of the fish-feeding cycle. introduced the National Estate listing and the commwlity was told that such a listing would not I am concerned that nothing has been done. I know involve any change to management. State about the Curdies River; it is not even in my govenunents went arowld blithely listing forest electorate, but it is a river I have enjoyed and it is areas as part of the National Estate. All honourable gradually being destroyed. I ask the Minister to give members know what the conservation movement the House some indication of what hope there is of did when it got hold of that. With the enthusiastic something being done about the rivers not included support of the metropolitan media, the conservation in the Bill. movement quickly wrecked the timber industry in East Gippsland and is now tunung its attention to I shall give an example of the problems that have central Gippsland. Rural areas, particularly East occurred. A prominent landholder who has Gippsland, have been bitten once too often with substantial frontage on the Curdies River, Mr John assurances that they will not be adversely affected. Irvine, has for many years pleaded with departmental officers, govenunent and members of In an effort to wlderstand the legislation I asked the Parliament to do something about the problem that Parliamentary Library to provide me with a is there for all to see. Last July he wrote to me saying definition of ''heritage''. I have not dug out this he had approached the Rural Water Commission in defilution to suit myself; it is taken from the Camperdown to explain the problem for the Macquarie Dictionary: umpteenth time. He was told by the officer that the 1. that which comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; matter would be looked into. Of course, nothing has an inherited lot or portion. happened. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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2. something reserved for one: the heritage of the suggest that no-one in this place or this State has righteous. more heritage associated with the Mitchell River than I have. Like everyone else in East Gippsland, I 3. Law. (a) that which has been or may be inherited by am totally opposed to the Bill. legal descent or succession; (b) any property, esp. land that devolves by right of inheritance. Mr Shell - Are you going to vote against it? That appears to suggest that heritage is an individual thing rather than a collective thing. Mr EV ANS - I intend to vote against it, and I Having read the definition I gave thought to where have made that position clear from day 1. the Mitchell River stands in relation to my heritage. If honourable members are considering heritage The Bill does nothing. All rivers have been vested in legislation, surely it is pertinent to discuss whose the State govemment since, I think, 1876 when heritage they are considering. legislation was passed through this place; in effect, the govenunent already owns all Victorian rivers In 1847 great-grandfather Joseph Evans was married and can manage them as it sees fit. in Hobart. He got to Tasmania through the assisted migration scheme that was very much in vogue I regret that successive governments have not seen during the first half of the eighteenth century. Of fit to manage our rivers well. During my all too course, the assistance was provided by the British many years of experience living in an area closely govenunent rather than the colonial government of associated with a river, I have seen changes taking the time! place - in particular, the rather staggering increase in the growth of willow trees that are choking our As I said, Joseph Evans married in 1847 and in the rivers and streams in many parts of East Gippsland. same year he settled on the banks of the Mitchell However, nothing has been done about that River where he built himself a bark hut with a dirt problem. No-one can tell me that allowing our floor. He and his wife, Sophie, raised nine sons and streams to become choked with willows is in accord three daughters in a little shack in which Joseph with the natural environment. lived wltil he died. My present home is approximately 100 yards from where he lived. A difficulty regarding this Bill and our efforts to get our message across to the govemment has been to An earlier migrant than great-grandfather Joseph pinpoint who in govemment is actually responsible Evans was Jolm Scott, who migrated from Scotland. for the legislation. I do not have the precise date, but His forebears had been ferrymen at Caputh near shortly before Christmas the then Minister for Dwlkeld over the River Tyne. He had no hope of Conservation and Environment, Steve Crabb, owning any land for himself so he migrated to suddenly arrived in East Gippsland and appeared Tasmania and then to New South Wales. He came to on television. He informed all and sWldry that he Gippsland at the suggestion of a compatriot, Angus was there to persuade the community to accept the McMillan, the first white man to see the Mitchell Heritage Rivers Bill - and apparently that is the River. only reason he visited East Gippsland. His interview on television was followed by news footage of him Angus McMillan had been managing properties in cruising on the Gippsland Lakes; I suppose that is southern New South Wales and the Monaro fair enough because the Mitchell River flows into the tableland when he was asked by his employer to Gippsland Lakes. look for further land because of the droughts besetting that part of New South Wales. When I could not help but wonder who it was the Minister McMillan emerged from the mowltains and saw the was speaking to in East Gippsland in an attempt to plain country to the west of the Mitchell River - it persuade everyone that the locals should be virtually marks the bOWldary between the supporting this Bill. I thought, "It will be interesting mowltains that extend all the way to Queensland if he can find even one person to support it". and beyond - he called the land Caledonia Australis and said, ''There lay before me land I made inquiries of the Bairnsdale City COWlcil. I sufficient to feed all my starving cowltrymen". asked, "Has the Minister called on you?" and they replied, "No". I thought he may have been to the It was through the direct suggestion of Angus shire offices but, no, they had heard nothing. The McMillan that Jolm Scott came to East Gippsland in next place of inquiry was the Mitchell River Water 1845 and Iolm Scott is another of my forebears. I Board whose secretary happens to be also the HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Secretary of the Mitchell River Management Board. However, those issues are basically peripheral. The They said, ''No, we have heard nothing from him". provision in the Bill that certain streams, as defined, What a mystery! Who was the Minister talking to in shall never have storages built on them is absolutely an attempt to persuade residents to his point of outrageous and ridiculous, and demonstrates a view? He must have known he was on a fool's drawbridge mentality of, 'We are all right; blow errand in any attempt to persuade East Gipps1and you, Jack". This legislation is being supported by residents about the merits of the Bill. those who live in a city that has become drought-proof, with three years of water supply in A few days later I discovered where he had gone. its dams for the benefit of the metropolitan area. An article appeared in the Age - but I do not have the date of publication - accompanied by a Mr Jasper - Fantasyland. beautiful, coloured photograph of the gorge on the MitcheIl River. The Minister for Conservation and Mr EV ANS - It is absurd to suggest that, in the Environment was photographed paddling down the process of developing those massive water storages, river in a canoe! It is a pity the joumalist - Kay the govemment has not destroyed far more than is AnseIl - did not see fit to speak to some of the ever likely to be destroyed by the construction of a locals and get the other side of the story. We had no dam on the Mitchell River. say in the Minister trying to put across his point of view but in a truly democratic society the press Mr Maughan -,-They're all right! should give the other side an opportunity of commenting. Mr EVANS - Yes, they're all right, just pull up the drawbridge! Of course the people of Bairnsdale The article by Kay AnseIl states: and East Gippsland are not entitled to the security of a water supply; our gardens can wither and die, and If the Hamer government's original proposal to dam our crops can be half what they may have been had the Mitchell had gone ahead in the 1970s, parts of a decent supply of water been available! But that is Mitchell Gorge would now be under water and beside the point so far as the government is high-quality white-water rafting would no longer be an concemed! If we in the area calUl0t arrive at a option. quality of produce to serve the government's needs, it will import the produce from New Zealand or That is untrue because the proposal for a dam on the somewhere else; we need not worry about that! MitcheIl River in the 1970s centred arowld the site at Angusvale; admittedly, the first site under One of the best attractions in virtually every country consideration was entirely within the gorge but the would be lakes. Finland has only about 50 per cent site eventually decided upon was at Angusvale; it more landmass than Victoria, yet it has 60 000 was above the level of the gorge and above what is natural lakes. I am sure no-one in Finland finds any called the Slalom Rapids - one of the best one of those lakes to be repulsive. It seems incredible white-water rafting sections of the river. The that we, in the world's driest inhabited continent, construction of a dam at that site would have should have a government advocating that water enhanced the sport of white-water rafting. storages should not be built on certain streams.

On 31 January an article appeared in the Herald-Sun. The first site proposed for a dam on the MitcheIl It reports of the experience of white-water rafting on River at Billygoat Bend would have been a the Thomson River: magnificent one because the storage proposal there was for a dam measuring about 600 feet wide by The river's clear water reflects the lush forest where tall about 9 miles long. Victoria would have had a long cliffs and river banks set off the ferns and tall trees in a fiord-like dam winding back into the hills. No-one beautiful botanical garden. A great attraction of the can tell me that would not have been a sensational Thomson River canoe trail is its reliable level which is sight. Also, the wall of the dam would have been regulated at the Thomson dam. It is one of only a few constructed to create a free-flow spillway about white-water rivers in the State that can be rafted in 120 feet high. summer. That dam would overflow 90 per cent of the time. The Mitchell River calUlot be rafted during most Anyone who went to the site would witness a summers because its water level then is not magnificent waterfall. Not many people throughout sufficiently high. Australia would be concemed about whether such HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

340 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 features are artificial. I have seen many magnificent runs dry periodically. People who do not lakes throughout the world. When one reaches one understand say that it is because water has been end of a particular lake there may be a wall across it pumped for irrigation. Once the water has passed by but that does not detract from its beauty. it is gone. The fact that it is being used for irrigation does not affect that minimum flow when the river The proposed dam on the Mitchell River is only eventually rW1S dry. 15000 acre feet, about one-sixtieth of its annual average flow. In many cases it would only be a day's Those engaged in agriculture, and the whole flow. The flood in 1990 would have filled the dam in commwuty in East Gippsland, are concerned about a matter of hours. the requirements which might be brought forward concerning environmental flows in the river. As was Apparently I have a strange view of conservation: it mentioned by the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, is the avoidance of waste. The saving of something part of the Snowy River is in East Gippsland and which is in abundance for use later when it becomes honourable members are aware of the mighty scarce is conservation. We conserve hay on our Snowy Mountains scheme which has diverted a farms. In the spring there is an abundance of feed substantial portion of the flow of that river out of its and that is then baled for later in the season. In many catchment into inland Australia. households the lady of the house conserves fruit. When the fruit is in season it is conserved for later One of the clauses of the Snowy Mountains when it is not available. Conservation means saving agreement, ratified by the government, is that the any material which will otherwise go to waste. State of Victoria would accept responsibility for the adverse affect on the lower Snowy River because of Farmers work hard to grow crops. The Deputy the diversion of water inland. Leader of the Opposition has outlined the range of crops that are grown on the rich alluvial flats along The adverse affect of that diversion came about a the Mitchell River. On some occasions crops cam10t few years ago when the mouth of the Snowy River be watered. Often crops need that water for their sealed up completely and caused a substantial final bloom before harvesting. The Bill serves no amow1t of flooding on private land in the lower useful purpose. I will be accused of being reaches of the river. Part of the problem is the anti-conservationist but no attempt will be made to intrusion of saline seawater up the river that renders counter my argument. the water w1Suitable for irrigation and other purposes. Mr Shell interjected. The lower Snowy River has suffered adverse affects Mr EVANS - It will be interesting to hear what because of the Snowy Mountain scheme and the honourable member for Geelong has to say, and successive governments in this State have failed to I wonder how many rivers are in his electorate. honour their obligatiOl1S under the agreement to take Eighteen rivers are in or partly in the electorate of steps to alleviate these problems. East Gippsland. I disagree with the amendments foreshadowed by The proposed legislation is wmecessary because all the honourable member for Warrandyte. It will not rivers are already w1der the control of the make any difference if the Bill is called the Heritage government; it has powers to draw up management Rivers Bill or the Notable Rivers Bill. It is the greedy plans and is in the process of drawing up a element in this country that wants to single out management plan for the Mitchell River. There are legisla tion of this kind. This is the thin edge of the so many issues involved regarding water supply wedge to enable such people to utilise rivers and that it is extremely dangerous to put too much streams for commercial purposes. Nobody should emphasis into one area of legislation. utilise them in any way for commercial purposes. The sting in the tail is always the greed of some Of concern with the management plan for the people. Mitchell River is the south-east water strategy which suggests that an enviromnental flow should be As I said, the former Mi1uster for Conservation and established and that it should apply to other rivers Environment, now the Minister for Tourism, went to in due course. One wonders how one can establish East Gippsland to sell his proposed legislation. He an environmental flow if there is no reservoir of used the time to embark on a jatmt, travelling down water from which to draw upon. The Mitchell River the Mitchell River on rubber rafts with other people. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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It was a sort of junket with the press people and the in Baimsdale, where wlanimous disapproval was result was a favourable report in the daily press. expressed of the proposal to declare the Mitchell River a heritage river. The people at the meeting had The question asked by everybody in East Gippsland to sit and listen while Mr Scott produced his trump was, ''Weren't the rafters using the river? If it is to be card: the consultant he had employed to carry out a user pays principle, why don't they pay?" research on the prospect of building a dam on the Mitchell River. After the consultant explained the The ACTING SPEAKER (Mrs Garbutt) - situation to the audience he was asked questions. Order! The honourable member has 2 minutes. Somebody asked where he had got the infonnation Mr MACLELLAN (Berwick) - By leave, I move: on which he had based his argument. He replied that he had got the information from reports That the honourable member for Gippsland East be prepared by the Australian Bureau of Agricultural granted an extension of time to continue his speech for and Resource Economics and various other groups. an extra 10 minutes. They had been prepared some 8, 10 or 12 years ago! The consultant admitted he did not know that Motion agreed to. garden land had been established in the past four or five years; he did not know a substantial change had Mr EVANS (Gippsland East) - I am grateful to been made to the economics of the proposal! He had the House for according me that extra time, as I feel not bothered to go down to the local commwlity to very strongly about the issue. Evidence exists to find out any facts! The consultant just rehashed suggest some other people in the commwlity have reports prepar~d after previous investigations. He not yet become alert to what is proposed by the made no attempt to bring the reports up to date! Heritage Rivers Bill. I asked the Chairman of the LCC how much the In referring to the flow-on effects from the proposed consultant had been paid and was told that it was legislation, I quote from the Herald-Sun of 11 $30 000. He was paid $30000 to do just that work! It February: probably took him no more than a couple of days! I put the proposition it was reasonable that the LCC Declare the greens black provide a similar amount of money to the City of Baimsdale or to the Baimsdale Shire Council or When the Federal Opposition Leader, Or Hewson, told some other group in the East Gippsland area to the Australian Conservation Foundation last week that prepare a case for the other side. he was not interested in discussing with it environmental issues -or anything else, for that Here is an example of how the LCC has worked over matter - the green movement reeled in shock. So used the years. It has given all the money it has had to have they become to being fawned over, to being those who want to put the green side of the massaged with public funds, to having politicians turn argument. That situation has continued although somersaults almost on command in the hope of a few two members of the Conservation Cowlcil of green votes - Victoria are members of the LCC! They sit in judgment on that board, while members of their I emphasise that particular quote, "a few green own orgallisation are given financial support to put votes" - arguments before it! Here is an absolutely outrageous situation! Those people talk about that they were simply unable to cope with a little blunt democratic principles! They have received truth. The ACF's executive director, Mr Phillip Toyne, govemment money and the use of research and seemed stunned. Surely, he cried plaintively, the wliversity fWlds to pay people to put a case before alternative Prime Minister had an obligation to discuss the very body on which they are sitting in judgment! environmental issues. I invite honourable members to think about the poor Surely the State of Victoria has an obligation to unfortwlate devil who is trying to make a living off discuss these issues with the people who will be the land. His deal is not writing reports and affected by any decision that is made. wldertaking research; he is doing his best to feed these people and to try to make this COWl try a better The Chairman of the Land Conservation Cowlcil, place to live in! Yet he is told, "You have to put your Mr Scott, was sent to attend a meeting with people case to the Land Conservation Council and when HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

342 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 you lose the case there, you have to put it to the I have made my position clear. I have always argued people who are working out the river management that consideration must be given to the needs of the plans". local people. I am aware of the history of this matter. I was a fowldation commissioner of the Mitchell The people who live on the river plains should be River Improvement Trust and know what has been asked whether that is the truth: their opponents have done in the past. all the support in the world. I acknowledge that a previous Liberal govemment appointed the two A former COWltry Party govemment introduced the members of the Conservation CowlCil of Victoria to legislation that created the river improvement trusts the board of the LCe. At that time I objected to the so that river management plans could be introduced. appointment and I have objected to it over the years. Grants were provided on the basis of eight to one to I can provide the wording of a resolution that I have support such a scheme. No government since then moved from time to time in an attempt to have local has provided fWlds to the same extent. The party of people on the board. Local people should have a say which I am a member has put its money where its in the destiny of the region they have chosen to live mouth is in that regard. I have no hesitation in in. Instead, they have to put up with the patronising supporting what it did so many years ago. The only attitude of people from the city who claim that the problem was that successive govemrnents gradually local people will foul the nest, so to speak, because reduced the level of fWlding. In fact in recent years they do not know how to look after the almost all the fWlds have been for flood relief, which environment. I invite honourable members to means that only damage control money has been consider what is the environment in the city and made available. However, some marvellous work who in his or her right mind would want to live in has been done around the State. this environment! The Caml River was absolutely devastated. The Despite that, the local people in East Gippsland have Caml River Trust is restoring the Genoa River which been told that the Mitchell River will be declared a is mentioned in the legislation. I would lay London heritage river because the heritage of the area is to a brick that this legislation will not help the Cann being looked after. I ask: whose heritage? The River Trust one iota, nor will the govemment help answer is: certainly not ours, not that of the people the trust in its efforts to repair the devastation that of East Gippsland! The House should not accept the occurred in 1971. foreshadowed amendment of the opposition that the Mitchell River be a notable river or a heritage river. I have been concemed with rivers such as the Thomson River which had a major diversion after The House should not accept either that the the 1952 floods when most of the river went into a legislation will allow for grazing on river banks. The new course called Rainbow Creek. I urged the right to graze on river banks without any Minister of the day to defy a poll of the ratepayers of qualification should not exist. One need only look the area which rejected the creation of a river around after a severe flood to discover where the improvement trust on that section of the river greatest devastation has taken place: it is where because I thought it was absolutely essential that this stock have had ready access to river banks. I oppose be done to get the river wlder control. a proposition that grazing be allowed on river banks. I urge the House to reject this Bill out of hand. It The biggest joke is that the Aberfeldy River is to be does nothing for any river in Victoria. The added to the list of heritage rivers! The idea was put govemment already has all the control it needs and I up by the Honourable Dick.Long in the other place believe the only sensible course of action is for the in anticipation that fellow members of his party legislation to be thrown out, lock, stock and barrel. would see it as the joke it was; it was expected that they would realise that it would be needed for the Mr THOMSON (Pascoe Vale) - I have pleasure future water supply for Melboume and so could not in supporting this legislation. I found the comments be tied up as a heritage river. However, none of his of the honourable member for Gippsland East a bit colleagues recognised the joke and here is the distressing. I have a great deal of respect for country absolute stupidity of the outcome: the Aberfeldy wisdom, and I er\joy listening to the comments of River is to be added to the list of heritage rivers! I people from rural areas. Nevertheless, his calUlot think of a more childish or idiotic contribution indicated a complete misunderstanding amendment! of what is required in this day and age to assist our river systems. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Mr Jasper - Rubbish! consider to be one of Victoria's last untamed rivers, and it seemed to me that they put forward a good Mr THOMSON -If you want to join him you case. are welcome! His contribution was a blast from the past and showed a failure to understand what is On the face of it, without prejudice to the required to look after our river systems in this day govenunent's position, I am inclined to support the and age. proposition the honourable member in another place is apparently putting forward. I would not support I was pleased to go into the country as Chairman of an amendment which enables heritage rivers to be the Gippsland Lakes Consultative Committee and dammed by the actions of the Governor in Council. hear the voice of the people in rural areas on the Decisions of this magnitude should be made by need to protect the Mitchell, Thomson and other Parliament. rivers that flow into the Gippsland Lakes. One of the chief concems of the people in the area was the I note that there seems to be a Significant divergence inadequate supply of water going into the lakes. between the coalition parties in relation to important They were concemed that this had contributed to issues like heritage rivers. The honourable member the algal blooms, which were very serious in the for Gippsland East took a different position from summer of 1987, and the poor water quality of the that of the honourable member for Warrandyte. river systems flowing into them. The object of this Bill is to protect certain rivers and Mr Jasper interjected. small catchments from changes which would affect what remains of their ecological, scenic, recreational Mr THOMSON - Indeed, as the honourable or cultural heritage value after some 200 years of use member for Murray Valley interjects, one of the and modification. These rivers were identified in a points they made was that much water has been comprehensive study carried out by the Land Siphoned off for Melboume water supplies. That is a Conservation Cowlcil (LCC) at the govenunent's legitimate concem. request. The study systematically examined the values of certain rivers and identified Victoria's One of the major points of the Bill is that there will best - those with values of at least State Significance. not be a dam on the Mitchell River. The opposition says, ''Let us have a dam on the Mitchell River. Let The study followed the LCC's usual processes with the Govemor in Cowlcil create such a dam rather a resources report, proposed recommendations and than leaving such an important matter for the final recommendations, but between each Parliament". stage - this ought to be highlighted - there was extensive consultation with the community. Detailed Many people from rural areas say we need to protect written submissions were received and there were our heritage rivers, including rivers like the Mitchell, many briefings and meetings with farmers, for Melboume's water supply and to ensure that recreational organisations, industry, conservation people in Melbourne do not waste water. I welcome groups and interested individuals. The water sector, the water conservation programs developed by local government and river management Melboume Water such as "Don't be a Wally with organisations were also consulted. water". They make an important contribution. The LCC was able to examine a system of We have to look also at the siphoning off of water impressive rivers ranging from the rugged, granitic for irrigation and other local purposes. I put it to the valley of the Genoa in East Gippsland, to the House that many rural people are aware of the Wimmera River's terminal lakes among the Big importance of heritage rivers and will be supportive Desert dunes in the Wyperfeld National Park. It is of this legisla tion. well known that we must have water for agriculture and urban development, and for life. So far as is The honourable member for Gippsland East pOSSible, we must also protect the rivers. It is mentioned the Aberfeldy River and referred to the recognised that such things as envirorunental flows efforts of an honourable member in another place. I are necessary for the health of the water system and was invited by the Aberfeldy Progress Association surrowlding land areas. to travel to that town and address the association on various matters. One of their concems was to ensure Last century land not in agricultural use was termed that there not be a dam on the river, which they "waste land" in Land and Survey Department HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

344 ASSEMBLY Tuesday. 24 March 1992 annual reports, and it was later recognised that these significant impairing of the values that are sensitive public lands held important resources and natural to the flow levels. and recreational values. In the same way, w1til recently people talked of rivers as "flowing to The values of the river vary according to their use. waste" if fresh water ran at their outfall. Although Although ecological values are included, not only other people have said similar things in years gone natural features are referred to. For example, the by, it was disappointing to hear the honourable Wimmera is significant for its cultural heritage member for Gippsland East putting forward the associations, remnant botanical values and highly same arguments this aftemoon. Nevertheless the Bill rated landscapes in a largely cleared and farmed will ensure that different attitudes prevail. setting, as well as for the fish and water bird habitats on the lakes. The Bill identifies seventeen rivers and provides for their protection. The values and characteristics of The Goulbum River below Lake Eildon has been each of the rivers are detailed in the final substantially modified from its natural condition recommendations of the Land Conservation Cow1Cil. downstream from the Goulbum Weir --

No visitor could fail to be impressed by the Mr EV ANS (Gippsland East) - On a point of spectacular Snowy River valley or the Mitchell River order, Madam Acting Speaker, the honourable gorge. The Mitchell-WOlU1angatta river system has member for Pascoe Vale is obviously reading his been included in the Bill as a heritage area from near speech, contrary to Standing Orders, and I ask you the headwaters of the Wonnangatta River below to ask him to desist. MOW1t Speculation to the intemationally significant Mitchell silt jetties, which extend into Lake King. Mr THOMSON (Pascoe Vale) - Madam Acting The Mitchell River is the largest free-flowing river in Speaker, I am referring to notes. Victoria and the Bill will ensure it remains so. The ACTING SPEAKER (Mrs Garbutt> - The many values of the river system include Order! I have been observing the honourable Significant plant occurrence, the presence of member while he has been delivering his speech, vulnerable Australian grayling, a diversity of fish and I believe he is referring to notes. There is no species, white water canoeing, the natural condition point of order. of the gorge and geological sites of significance. There is also the highly rated scenic landscape, as Mr THOMSON - As I was saying, without a well as trout and native fishing and angling. dam there remains a substantial volume of annual flow which can be put to a variety of uses for Many of those values would be either compromised irrigation and for industry. or removed completely by the construction of a dam on the river. For example, grayling larvae drift Mr Evans interjected. downstream to the sea or to the saltwater lakes, and salt water juveniles retum to the river at the end of The ACTING SPEAKER - Order! When the their first year. Other fish species either have similar honourable member for East Gippsland made his migration pattems or move within the river system. contribution he was heard in silence. He should Their continued existence in the system could be allow the honourable member for Pascoe Vale the threatened by a barrier. same privilege.

Whitewater canoeists and rafters seek out the brief Mr THOMSON - Those sorts of uses will be periods of high flow following heavy rainfall. The available w1der the Bill. In areas such as the flows could be absorbed by a dam on the river, with Goulbum Weir near Nagambie high flows for the exception of flood flows, with a resulting irriga tion in summer provide an assured canoe reduction in opportunities for such activities. touring experience - although not in white water. The fishing is good, and the river red gum forests Without a dam a substantial volume of alU1Ual flow below Murchison retain important faunal values and would remain, particularly in winter and spring, are of State significance as examples of red gum which could be diverted and stored off-stream for open forests and woodlands. irrigation and other uses. That water will continue to be available W1der the Bill provided that it is Schedule 3 of the Bill specifies a number of obtained without the use of barriers and without any provisions that will protect the rivers. Firstly, dams, HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 345 impoWldments or barriers to the passage of water The essentially natural catchments are located in the fauna are not to be built along the identified sections east of the State within large areas of public land. of most of the rivers. The LCC considered only catchments to streams larger than 750 hectares, and some of the areas in The schedule also provides that new water Schedule 2 are a little larger than that. However four diversions are not to significantly impair the of the catchments referred to in the schedule are identified values of twelve of these rivers, and that substantially larger and, in conjwlction with their no new diversions are permitted from the Genoa natural condition, contain an array of important River, which is in the Coopracambra National Park, values. the Suggan Buggan, most of which is in the Alpine National Park, or the Thomson River between The East Gippsland coastal stream catchments are Thomson Reservoir and Cowwarr Weir. The contiguous and remain undisturbed from their schedule also states that timber harvesting will not headwaters to the ocean. Several rare plant species be permitted in State forest sections along thirteen of have been found in the Shipwreck Creek catchment, the rivers. while evidence of the vulnerable ground parrot, the diamond python and the she-oak skink has also Schedule 4 specifies the provisions which will apply been recorded in the area. to other rivers and which have been designed to protect the specific values present in each river. The Rodger River-Mowltain Creek catchment is of Even a low barrier can prevent the significant national botanical importance for its extensive passage of native fish or disrupt the life cycles of stands of old growth sclerophyll forests. Following vulnerable fish species that require river continuity, Land Conservation Council studies those and the and the use of such barriers will be restricted. coastal stream catchments are located within Further, where free-flowing conditions are necessary national parks and have been added to the schedules to a river's recreational, natural and scenic values, of the National Parks Act. no impoWldments may be built. The natural condition of the Avon River and Where major future water diversions could reduce adjoining catchments has been recognised by the in-stream values, the diversions will be modified to previous deSignation of the areas as wilderness. The avoid the reductions, taking into accowlt the volume catchment of the O'Sharmassy reservoir contains taken or seasonal timing. magnificent forests of mature mountain ash. The area is of national significance not only for its Similarly, intensive timber harvesting within the botanical and faunal features but because it includes linear heritage river areas would not fail to have an the endangered Leadbeater's possum. adverse scenic impact for some years wltil regrowth was well established; and wlder the Bill intensive Turning now to the impact of the legislation, the timber harvesting will be excluded from most rivers. Land Conservation Cowlcil's final report discusses the implications-- Many of the rivers are located in national or State parks or other reserves. Such areas will also be Mr RICHARDSON (Forest Hill) -On a point of wlavailable for harvesting. The rivers will not be order, Mr Acting Speaker, I am concerned that the locked away but will be used for recreation - honourable member is quoting extenSively from a whether for water activities such as canoeing, document. He has already assured the House that he rafting, swimming or fishing, or simply for an is not reading his speech so I will not impugn his appreciation of the sights and sounds of river reputation by suggesting that he is now reading his valleys - and for education about their natural and speech, but on that basis one can only presume that cultural values. Clause 7(1)(b) states that managing he is quoting extenSively from a document. I ask that authorities must provide those opportwlities. the honourable member make the document available to the House or, alternatively, he may find It is important to distinguish between heritage river it easier to have it incorporated in Hansard. areas and their catchments. Although both are covered by the recommend a tions of the Land Mr THOMSON (Pascoe Vale) - On the point of Conserva tion Council and by the provisions of the order, Madam Acting Speaker, I am prepared to Bill, the catchments are not the watersheds of make my notes available to the House. heritage rivers areas but a distinct set of mostly small stream catchments. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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The ACfING SPEAKER - Order! There is no recreational values were likely to far exceed such point of order. additional costs.

Mr THOMSON - The Land Conservation The Bill applies only to public land, including areas COWlcil's final recommendations include the results of national and State parks, State forests and public of a social and economic assessment. The Bill does land water frontage reserves adjoining freehold land. not have an immediate impact as existing uses will, in general, continue. Rivers are a focus for human activities and there are necessarily many uses and users of these resources. The implications of the legislation essentially relate Along the heritage river areas the Bill restricts only to the future. Although no current dam construction dam or barrier construction and limits new water scheme is affected, darns have been proposed on diversions and timber harvesting as specified in some of these rivers in the past, as honourable schedules 3 and 4. members are aware, as well as on many rivers that are not included in the Bill. For example, irrigators Other uses, such as licensed grazing and water along the Mitchell River have supported past dam diversions, and recreation activities permitted proposals on that river for water supply security, according to the relevant underlying land tenure, and the Bill would prevent such a dam being built if can continue. The Bill will not affect them. Such uses it impeded the passage of in-stream fauna. Fish will, of course, remain subject to regulation under ladder designs and operations to date do not ensure other existing Acts as appropriate. Existing rights to such passage of fish because they are not suited to water Wlder section 8 of the Water Act are not the swimming capabilities of Australian fish species. altered by the Bill. Existing diversions are not affected and several alternatives to a dam on the Mitchell River are While prOViding for management plans to be considered viable, including off-stream storage, prepared and to state their content, the Bill does not grow1d water recharge and tributary storage. The specify either a process for their preparation or an Bill does not preclude those options. avenue of appeal. The content of management plans is clearly limited by clause 9. They must be Timber harvesting would not be permitted in several consistent with the purpose of the Bill and with heritage river areas or in the essentially natural relevant approved LCC recommendations. The Bill catchments. However, the combination of existing applies only to public land and applies protection constraints and poor quality resources means that for certain values. In this way it is similar to the only a small volume of timber is affected. Its National Parks Act, which does not specify a withdrawal will have no effect for most rivers, and process, except for the Alpine National Park only a very minor impact on central region management plan, and is less specific than this Bill sustainable yield - 0.2 per cent for the Big River. about contents.

Along the Upper Lerderderg River the Bill will In conclusion, this special purpose Bill will provide a reduce Midlands regional sustainable yield by necessary level of protection for Victoria's most 0.9 per cent, although the LCC has adjusted the area outstanding rivers and few remaining catchments, bow1daries to minimise this. Protection of the while having minimal impact on existing uses. It essentially natural catchments would reduce will provide for future uses so long as they do not regional sustainable yield by about 0.8 per cent in damage the rivers' value. total, spread over four forest management regiOns. It is a recognition by the government that there are a The Bill may limit future water resource number of important features to rivers, such as the development options, where a proposed diversion need for environmental flows, that can be would be so large as to cause significant impairment jeopardised if we do not pay attention to them. of a river's value. In such cases, alternative arrangements for water diversion would be I commend the Bill to the House. required, such as diversion of high winter flows to off-stream storage, and some of these may be more Mr DELZOPPO (Narracan) - I know from the expensive. However, the economists who assessed accounts that I have read in the daily papers that the these effects for the cOWlcil fow1d that the benefits to honourable member for Pascoe Vale had aspirations Victoria of protecting the environmental and to join the House of Representatives in Federal Parliament. I am sure he would be at home in that HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 347 place because I w1derstand its Standing Orders Mr DELZOPPO - The government includes lithe allow persons other than honourable members of rW1 of the Thomson River between the Thomson that place to write members' speeches. The dam and Cowwarr weir." I put to the House that the honourable member for Pascoe Vale has made a section the government is trying to protect involves marvellous attempt at reading his speech. When water it has already siphoned off to send to challenged he said that he was quoting from copious Melbourne. notes. I have never seen more copious notes in my life. I thought copious notes did not have We have heard a great deal from the honourable exclamation marks, full stops and commas, which member for Pascoe Vale about environmental were obviously contained in the notes read by the flows - quite rightly - and algae bloom. He would honourable member. not know an algae bloom if he tripped over one! One of the worst forms of algae bloom occurred because The honourable member said that on behalf of the the amow1t of water flowing into the lakes was government he went to various areas to inquire significantly reduced; the water was diverted to about the state of rivers and that he visited the Melbourne. Aberfeldy progress association. 111at is part of my electorate and, so far as I know, there is no progress Mr Thomson - That is what I said. association at Aberfeldy. I know there is an Aberfeldie close to the honourable member's Mr DELZOPPO - Yes, and I shall build on that electorate, but I am referring, and I thought the argument. The honourable member for Pascoe Vale honourable member was referring, to the Aberfeldy failed to impress upon the government the fact that in the high cow1try in my electorate. the Aberfeldy River should be protected because it is one of the w1Controlled rivers that flows into the If the honourable member visited that area and took Thomson River about 8 kilometres down from the evidence from those people, as he suggested he did, dam. The reason the government has been silent and is now expressing to the House the concerns of about the Aberfeldy is that it is casting its envious the local people about the Aberfeldy River and how beady eyes on it. It plans to divert it through the it should be protected, he has failed in his job by not hills. The valleys of the Thomson and Aberfeldy making known to the government the real concerns rivers flow parallel to each other. It would be a of people in that area. One of the grizzles I have with simple engineering feat to build a twmel through the legislation is that the Aberfeldy River is not the hills, in the lower reaches, to divert further included in the Bill. I put to the House that the Gippsland water into the Melbourne system. honourable member for Pascoe Vale failed miserably if he used taxpayers' money to go arow1d to various A sleight of hand is occurring. The honourable commw1ities to get input for the government. He member for Pascoe Vale failed miserably to convey has the audacity to say that he got this information to the government the message he gleaned from the from the people of Aberfeldy but that he failed to get local Aberfeldy people that the Aberfeldy River it into the Bill. should be included in the heritage river areas because the water flowing down the river plays an This is sleight-of-hand legislation. The government important part in the health of the Gippsland Lakes. has made a great fellow of itself - and woman of The Gippsland Lakes have never been the same itself - by including the 60 kilometres from the wall since a permanent opening to the sea was made in of the Thomson dam to the Cowwarr weir. the 1880s. The ecology of the lakes has changed enormously. Given that this is a major tourist area, if Mr Hamilton - A great bit of river! the lakes are to remain viable and healthy they will require further flushing of fresh water from down Mr DELZOPPO - It is a great bit of river. I river. Every megalitre of water that is diverted to w1derstand the honourable member for Morwell did Melbourne means flushing does not occur. his courting along sections of the river. He knows every tree and every nook and cralmy. It is interesting to note the results of the monitoring programs on the Gippsland Lakes. The programs are The DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Norris) - Order! a significant way of measuring salinity levels and of Obviously it must be preserved at all costs! noting the abw1dance of common reed - Phragmites communis - which the honourable Mr Richardson - And every crook and na1U1Y, member for Pascoe Vale will know is similar to the too! bulrushes in which Moses was found. By mOnitoring HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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We ought to make every effort to ensure that as little The Aberfeldy River near Beardmores has a hlgh water as possible is diverted from the lakes system angling value. It has both a scenic value and a tourist to Melboume by including the Aberfeldy River as a value. It is vital for the health of the lakes that the heritage river area. I do not believe it should be done waters of the Aberfeldy continue to flow into the in any over-prescriptive way. lake system. In the event that sometime in the future the waters of the Aberfeldy need to be diverted, If there is to be a debate on whether further water proper debate in the commw1ity should ensue, should be diverted from Gippsland to Melboume it rather than a twmel being put through the hllls ought to be out in the open and not done by the back before anybody has a chance to object to it. door. The honourable member for Pascoe Vale typically failed to pass on the message of the people I join with my colleagues, the honourable member of Aberfeldy. They are frightened about the for Warrandyte and the Deputy Leader of the govemment's actions in this area, both from a tourist National Party in supporting the amendments that point of view and because fanners downstream are will be moved in another place. reliant on water for irrigation and for stock and domestic purposes. Although the honourable Mr JASPER (Murray Valley) - Many honourable member for - I was going to say Aberfeldy -- members would say that this is a relatively small Bill but I suggest that its effects will be far reaching and Mr Thomson - That could be a good sign. its implications should be carefully analysed. Many would say the purpose of the Bill is to prevent the Mr DELZOPPO - I can just see the honourable construction of dams. member for Pascoe Vale in Aberfeldy. That leads me to say that I was disappointed with the last I have grave concems about the Bill and suggest we redistribution when my electoral bowldaries were should consider rejecting it in its entirety. I have changed. listened with interest to the comments made by previous speakers, especially the honourable Mr Micallef - You lost the river! member for Gippsland East. He brings to this House his knowledge of the area he represents and Mr DELZOPPO - I'd like to lose you in the river honourable members should take note of hls in a big cement truck! I was disappointed when I lost conunents because he draws on a wealth of a subdivision near Aberfeldy in the last experience over a long period. He does not simply redistribution. When a census was taken it was read reports that are prepared and presented to fOWld that no constituents lived in the subdivision, Parliament but talks to people at the grassroots level. but I lost a significant area. He understands the people who live in country areas and he knows that much of the legislation that has Aberfeldy is an area of sheer natural beauty. I was proceeded through Parliament in the past has had asked by the Minister whether there were any good adverse effects on them. fishlng spots. I do not like to divulge this sort of information but an LCC table, whlch I just happen to I also listened with interest to the comments made have in my hand, sets out the fishing worth of by the honourable member for Pascoe Vale. I various streams. It gives an h-value for a hlgh support the criticisms of the honourable member for fishing value; an a-value for an average value of Narracan about the contribution made by the fishlng and an I-value for a low fishing value. I honourable member for Pascoe Vale. It appears to report to the House and the Minister that the me he has been delegated by the govemment to Aberfeldy River near Big Track has a high fishing justify the Bill. Honourable members in the House at value, and where it was sampled near the time would be aware that he read the speech Beardmores -- almost in its entirety. I could have understood hls comments if he had gone into country Victoria to try Mr Evans - Does it have a progress association? to get some wlderstanding of the situation, but it was obvious from his contribution that he really has little understanding of the ramifications of the Bill. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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I listened with interest to and have since re-read the protect those rivers and catchments with significant second-reading speech made by the Minister when values. the Bill was presented to Parliament on 24 October 1991. Honourable members should read that speech The notes do not mention anywhere the point I have to get a full wlderstanding of the implications of the just made about production and the need to control Bill. To put it bluntly I was astowlded at the water flows to assist production. comments made by the Minister. His introductory comments include a major heading "Effects of dam The Bill is the first of its kind in Australia and reflects construction" aild continue: the growing concern around the nation for the protection, management and responsible use of our Construction of numerous weirs and dams has remaining outstanding rivers. substantially changed the flow of many rivers. Rather than reflecting natural processes, river flows It concerns me that the Bill has been brought increasingly reflect human requirements and, as a forward as the first of its kind in Australia. Other result, many natural systems have been put at risk. measures brought before this House by the govenunent have related to various areas in country If that were so, no dams would have been Victoria, such as national parks and the extension of constructed in Victoria, especially if the provisions those parks. Year after year measures have been in this Bill had been in place. I suggest that if this Bill introduced to increase the size of national parks were put into effect in its entirety there would be no without any real consideration of the effects of those possibility of dams being constructed within extensions. Victoria and certainly not on those rivers that are designated in the Bill. Under the heading "Effects of the Bill" the second-reading speech states: The second-reading speech goes on: Several of the rivers ... are to be maintained in a Construction of dams and changing flow regimes have free-flowing state. major impacts: they act as barriers to the movement of fish and other in-stream fauna; water temperature and Again that does not show the need for water storage quality are affected; releases of water for irrigation or the maintenance of water storages. reverse natural seasonal conditions; and the response of rivers to storm rainfall is modified, affecting fish The Bill does not alter the underlying tenure of the spawning and opportunities for on-stream recreation. land, but overlays specific provisions relating to the protection of the scheduled river corridors and Those comments show no wlderstanding of the catchments. need to control river flows. People who live in the northern part of the State are aware of the I suggest there are many management authorities importance of river flows in providing irrigation for throughout country Victoria that are doing just that production. As the honourable member for along the rivers and streams that are mentioned Gippsland East mentioned, the economy of the State within the Bill. I highlight the Ovens River relies on primary industry and I suggest a large Management Board - the Ovens River is mentioned portion of the production is as a result of irrigation. in the Bill - which is doing just what is mentioned We need look only at the rivers that have dams. For in the second-reading notes. instance, the River Murray system has dams that have led to an increase in production through In his second-reading speech the Minister said the irrigation. new management plans should be made within five years of the rivers being included in the legislation. I am concerned with many of the comments made in There is no indication of where the funding will the second-reading notes and I refer to them come from. The second-reading notes clearly deliberately because they highlight the flaws in the indicate that the Bill has major flaws. People with an Bill. Under the heading "Aims" the notes state: wlderstanding of what is happening to rivers and streams in Victoria, particularly in north-eastern Increases in population and leisure time as well as a Victoria, have expressed concern. continuing demand for commercial use of the State's public land and water resources highlight the need to I refer the House to the Water Act 1989, which covers all water and sewerage authorities, river and HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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stream catchments and everything else related to our In general the board finds the recommendations are water resources. I suggest the Water Act gives a lead oriented toward policy, strategy and legislation. While in what should be done in the management of our recognising that lack of resources is a major constraint rivers and streams. Section 1 of the Water Act clearly to good river management, the proposed spells out every avenue that should be explored recommendations will do nothing to overcome this using the sorts of controls and management hurdle. At the practical management level - procedures proposed by the Heritage Rivers Bill. It states, in part: I emphasise that the Ovens River Management Board is at the practical management level; it looks (d) To make sure that water resources are conserved after the Ovens River: and properly managed for sustainable use for the benefit of present and future Victorians; the report is unlikely to have significant impact on river (e) To maximise community involvement in the making management operations. Where specific management and implementation of arrangements relating to recommendations have been made, priority is always the use, conservation or management of water for a reasonably narrow, conservation-oriented resources; objective. Given the multiple demands on a river system, this need not always be the appropriate I suggest these provisions clearly cover the objective. provisions of the Heritage Rivers Bill. The board is concerned that the recommendations will Mr Evans - They're wU1ecessary! create further overlapping of government control. Mr JASPER - They are absolutely wU1ecessary if That is precisely the point I highlighted earlier in my one considers the purposes of the Water Act. Section con tribu tion: 1(j) states: The report fails to discuss techniques for addressing To provide formal means for the protection and land and waterway management issues and doesn't enhancement of the environmental qualities of provide waterway managers with a means of waterways and their in-stream uses; determining appropriate priorities and recommendations for rivers and streams. The Water Act was extensively debated in this House in 1989. Its provisions allow for all aspects of The submission goes on for a further two pages, but . water management and control of rivers and streams I will quote the last paragraph because it is in Victoria. Why has the Bill been introduced when important for the House to know an important the purposes of the Water Act allow for the water management authority in north-eastern implementation of controls that this Bill seeks to Victoria made a submission to the Land implement? Conservation Cow1Cil and no notice was taken of it. The govemment has not taken the submission into Like other honourable members, when Bills are aCCOW1t. introduced into Parliament I take the opportunity of distributing them to interested parties in my Mr Evans - A lay-down misere! electorate to obtain their responses. When I distributed copies of the Heritage Rivers Bill to the Mr JASPER - Yes, the government has ignored Ovens River Management Board, it expressed much what the board has said. The last paragraph of the concem. Before the Bill was introduced the board submission states: had had no consultation with the govenunent. The govenunent did not even advise the board that the 5. Policy Recommendations - River Management lower reaches of the Ovens River, which is in the Authorities. catchment under the control of the board, would be included in the Bill. The board supports the proposed recommendations relating to river management and already operates When the Land Conserva tion Cow1Cil was according to the principles in the report. w1dertaking its special investigation into rivers and streams, the Ovens River Management Board put Mr Hamilton - So they support it! They are forward a submission, which in part states: saying they need the legislation! HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Mr JASPER - The honourable member for As I said earlier, the Water Act contains all the Morwell is completely missing the point. The Ovens requirements that are needed to specify the powers River Management Board, in a submission to the and the controls that can be exercised over all the Land Conservation Council, says it is operating activities of authorities that have responsibility for efficiently in managing the rivers and streams in its the waterways and water generally in Victoria. catchment area, but the govemment introduces a Bill that will be placed over the top of the board's It is also quite clear that there is a lack of support for management of its catchment area in north-eastem the Bill from govenunent members. A number of Victoria. speakers from the opposition have presented sound arguments in their criticism of the Bill, but only one Mr Evans - There will be additional controls! speaker from the govemment side has made a contribution in support of the measure; he made a Mr JASPER - Yes, there will be further controls fully prepared speech and I really do not think he and another Minister will have a say. There is no w1derstood precisely what he was saying. need for further proposed legislation to be introduced to implement further controls that will I have related the Bill to my own electorate of restrict the board in doing what it already does. Murray Valley and highlighted the concerns of the Ovens River Management Board about the The board really knows what it is doing. It has a proposals which were, firstly, provided in the report significant w1derstanding of the area and there is no prepared by the Land Conservation Council and need for the govenunent to introduce proposed then in the final recommendations, which really took legislation over the top of its head. The board will little notice of many of the responses provided by have to deal not only with the Water Act, which very responsible people and organisations in details what the board should do anyway, but also cow1try Victoria. with the Bill, which will further restrict its activities. It is clear from the information that I have provided The proposed legislation will impose constraints on to the House that the Ovens River Management the board conceming its management of the water Board has great concems about the Bill. It operates catchment area from Killawara to the jW1ction of the w1der the Water Act, which outlines the powers Ovens and Murray rivers. Honourable members provided to the govemment to control the water should examine the map at the back of the report of industry, and yet the Heritage Rivers Bill includes the Land Conservation Cow1cil and note the streams control over part of the Ovens River which is in the that will be affected by the Heritage Rivers Bill in catchment area of the Ovens River Management East Gippsland and north-eastem Victoria, Board. particularly the Ovens River, and the problems that will be created for the Ovens River Management As I said earlier the board has been operating for Board. For a number of years the board has been more than 40 years, in the prior arrangements as the operating successfully with govenunent and local Ovens and King River Trust and the Fifteen Mile fW1ds to provide proper and better management Creek Improvement Trust. Those trusts combined in within the whole area. 1989 to form the Ovens River Management Board.

Sitting suspended 6.30 p.m. until 8.3 p.m. I sought a response on the Bill from the Ovens River Management Board. The board believes the Mr JASPER -Prior to the suspension of the govenunent did not really consult with the people sitting for diImer I indicated to the House clearly my who COW1t in the water industry, that is, those apart concem about this Bill and its implications. I asked from the govenunent who will be putting the the questions: what are the govemment's true legislation into effect. intentions with this Bill; is it a no dams, no development and no assessment of economic worth I shall relate to the House some of the concerns the Bill, or is it, as described in the second-reading board put to me. It asked: who is responsible for the speech, one which is for the population's pleasure Ovens River area? Obviously the board believes it is and one which reflects human requirements? Are its responsibility and it does not believe the Heritage those the sorts of attitudes being provided for in the Rivers Bill should be added to the responsibilities Bill? that it already has to the govemment under the Water Act. Apparently no notice was taken of the board's submission. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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The board also asked me: is it just window-dressing As has been indicated by the lead speaker for the or is the govenunent fair dinkum? I said that I opposition, the amendments foreshadowed by the believed the govemment was fair dinkum in what it coalition seek to redress many of the deficiencies of was doing but that the full implications of the Bill the Bill: to protect the existing rights to graze cattle were not recognised by the general public. on Crown land and to make dam construction on rivers subject only to the approval of the Govemor The Ovens River Management Board also expressed in Council. Further amendments will seek to concem that the process appeared to be too quick. It incorporate provisions for the creation, display, said there were still many concems out in the amendment or disallowance of any management cornrnwlity, that the Bill was too wide and not plans. Finally, the amendments will seek to delete specific, and that it could jeopardise the work of the the power to enter into agreements unless they are board. It said the proposals were sensitive to restricted or are subject to disallowance. Those are management but they were not looking at the minimum requirements sought by the coalition balance - and it is important that we have balance. parties concenling this proposed legislation.

The board says this is just another Act to control the I concur in many of the comments made by the river management authority on top of everything honourable member for Gippsland East. I would else. It says there does not appear to be any real or prefer to see the proposed legislation withdrawn in defined policy. The board asks how it is to be its entirety. The opposition will seek to amend the funded, but that is not answered in this Bill. Bill to make it more effective but will probably not remove all its draC01lian effects. The Ovens River Management Board also said it exercised strict control over river management in the I am worried by the defillition of a heritage river. I work it did. The govemment needs to spell out can understand the concerns that have been exactly what it is doing with this Bill, how it will put expressed by opposition members about the it into effect and how it will affect the Ovens River legislation. There needs to be a revision of the Management Board. proposed legislation and the govemrnent needs to be more accowltable. The best way to do that would There is no doubt that the legislation is flawed in be to withdraw the proposed legislation and ensure many respects. The govemment should review the that appropriate consultation takes place with legislation and, if it believes it should push ahead people throughout COWltry Victoria who will be with the legislation, should come up with proposals affected by it. that will be effective. The govenunent should talk to people who will be When one IQoks at the declarations of heritage river affected and should not just rely on the Land areas in the natural catchment areas detailed in the Conservation Cowlcil and other people based in schedules to the Bill to see precisely what controls Melboume; those people go out to country areas, are foreshadowed, it is necessary to refer back and perhaps take only their views, and then respond to forth. If one looks at clause 12 one sees a list of uses consultants rather than talking to the people that that are not permitted in natural catchment areas, matter, the people on the growld. including harvesting of timber, mining, extractive industries, carrying out of waterway management The govemment should go out and speak to the and grazing of domestic animals. The scope of those Ovens River Management Board. Many of the uses is very broad in the context of the legislation. board's employees have worked for it for more than twenty years and have a true understanding of how Clause 18 deals with regulations - I have been the river systems work, what the ecology is and involved in the regulations area for many years - what needs to be done to achieve a balance in the and clause 18(2)(c) provides that the regulations may total management of rivers and streams. leave any matter to be approved or determined by the Minister. I hope the Minister takes note of that I suggest that if this legislation were to be accepted because one really could not give much wider in its entirety it would mean that no more darns control than that to the Minister of the day. That sort would be built in country Victoria and there would of provision is not acceptable in legislation in this be no balance in river management. It may result in Parliament. a situation where rivers provide no real benefit to assist in the economic development of the State. I suggest that even the opposition's amendments need HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 353 further revision to ensure that we do not end up Mr Acting Speaker, I know that in your long and with legislation that will have adverse effects on the illustrious career in this place you have made many rivers and streams of Victoria, on the people of contributions about the role and importance of country Victoria and on the economy of the State. Parliament in establishing that legislation should be for the good of the people. This is a classic example Dr NAPTHINE (Portland) - I express the of a Bill that is very wide in its scope - it is an concerns of the people in the electorate of Portland enabling Bill. Parliament should emphasise to the about the implications of the Heritage Rivers Bill. In people who will implement the legislation what it particular, my constituents are concerned about means and what it should mean for the rivers of what the Bill does not say. Victoria, particularly for the Glenelg River.

This Bill may be described as enabling legislation; it It is clear that the users of the river and the local provides a framework on which many and varied residents should be permitted to have an adequate things may be done by the Minister w1der the opportwuty to contribute to the management of the regulations, as pOinted out by the honourable river; they must be allowed a real input into the member for Murray Valley, and by public servants management plan, not just the cursory pretend under the management plan system. The Minister consultation process that the govemment has and public servants are given wide scope in the Bill. become infamous for during its ten years in office. The Bill will enable people to go off at tangents and perhaps pursue goal~ that are not the intention of The government has made a joke of consultation. It this Parliament or of the people of Victoria. has not really been out to meet and consult with people who use resources such as rivers. I remind I wish to make quite clear how the people of my you, Mr Acting Speaker, the House and the people electorate want to have the river in their area who in the future will be dealing with the managed. They appreciate the scenic value and implementation of this Bill of the purpose of the Bill: cultural heritage of the Glenelg River in my electorate in the far south-west of Victoria and are The purpose of this Act is to make provision for concerned about a continuation of sow1d Victorian heritage rivers by providing for the management of the Glenelg River which will protection of particular parts of rivers and river recognise the history of the river; its scenic value; the catchment areas in Victoria which have significant huge recreational fishing industry based on the river nature conservation, recreation, scenic or cultural - the Glenelg River is an excellent fishing river; its heritage attributes and to make related amendments to recreational value for canoeists and other small boat other Acts. users who cruise on the river and enjoy being on the water; and its value for the towns of Nelson and I emphasise that we are talking about a range of Dartmoor, which are situated at either end of the things. We are not talking about conservation alone; part of the river in question. we are talking about nature conservation and recreation - an important part of the use of our People in my area are concerned about the rivers, especially one like the Glenelg River. conservation value of the river in the wider sense; they wish to conserve it through a balanced The scenic values are not just natural; some are approach to the use of the river. man-made. One of the best vistas of the Glenelg River at Nelson is from the bridge over the river, We on this side of the House and the people of which is a man-made feature. It would be cow1try Victoria appreciate the value of Victoria's disappointing if that bridge were tom down. rivers and streams. Cow1try people appreciate the Therefore, we are talking about a range of scenic rivers in the widest sense: they provide water for values and the cultural heritage of those rivers. stock, often provide water for domestic use, provide a rich scenic value and rich opportunities for fishing When we say "cultural heritage" we are not talking and tourism. The rivers are put to a whole range of only about the heritage that belongs with the uses and it would be disappointing if in the previous occupants of Australia some thousands of implementation of this proposed legislation some of years ago, the Aborigines; we are also talking about those uses were precluded through the misuse of the the cultural heritage that white settlers brought to legislation with respect to management plans. I will this part of the world and some of the cultural return to that matter later. heritage and history and development of our rivers in Victoria by white settlement are as important a HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

354 ASSEMBLY Tuesday. 24 March 1992 part of the culture of those rivers as the heritage Victoria into South Australia and back again. One brought by Aborigines, and they must be preserved. calUlot have rules that apply in Victoria and not in South Australia because on the river it is difficult to We seem to have a preoccupation in this State with distinguish where the border is. saying that anything that is pre-white settlement is important and we ought to preserve it but anything Already the situation exists where the Victorian done since white settlement is something we ought govemment is saying, "You calUlot have houseboats to be ashamed of and try to tear down and hide on the Victorian part of the river". In the case of the away. Glenelg River, we are talking only about small houseboats, but they are allowed to operate in South I suggest that on many of those rivers an important Australia and one can sail them up and down the part of the cultural heritage is the white history that South Australian part of the river, but if one crosses has built up over approximately 200 years of white into the Victorian part, that is illegal. settlement in Victoria. Therefore, it is important to take into account both the Aboriginal history and the One of the reasons for Victoria's ban on houseboats white history in developing and examining the is coneem about effluent disposal. I hate to have to cultural heritage of those rivers. say it, but I am afraid that if people dispose of effluent in the South Australian part, it will flow The Glenelg River is mentioned in Schedule 1 of the baek into Victoria and we still inherit that effluent. Bill. That schedule lists heritage rivers. It is important to distinguish between what the Bill Similarly, on the South Australian part of the river describes as a heritage river area in Schedule 1 and a anyone driving a motor boat requires a South natural catchment area in Schedule 2 because it is Australian motor boat drivers licence; such a licence important to the people implementing the Bill, in is not required on the Victorian part of the river. years to come, that they understand what Clearly these points highlight the need for Parliament meant when it clearly distinguished management of that river, which adjoins both South between a heritage river and a natural catchment Australia and Victoria. These issues must be area. addressed on a two-State basis.

The management in each of those two areas is Victoria calUlot go at it alone in the management of clearly and distinctly different, and that is the Glenelg River. The Glenelg River is a scenic river necessarily the intention of Parliament. and runs through the Lower Glenelg National Park and has very important cliff areas. It provides access The Glenelg River heritage area is basically the area to the Princess Margaret Rose limestone caves and of the Glenelg River from Dartmoor, or particularly includes significant parts of the great south-west Fort O'Hare at Dartmoor, to Nelson where the walk. Glenelg River runs into the sea. It is a length of about 83 kilometres of river and, interestingly Indeed, in 1836 Major Mitchell, one of our prominent enough, most of that part of the river is actually in early explorers - one of the first tourists of Victoria, Victoria, so we can have it as a heritage river. one might say - wrote about the Glenelg River and said: However, also importantly, a part of that river is in South Australia, so it is important that when we are The scenery on the banks was pleasing and various. At dealing with management plans and the some points picturesque limestone cliffs overhung the management of that river from Victoria we recognise river, and cascades flowed out over caverns hung with that part of the river goes into South Australia and stalactites; at others, the shores were festooned with back into Victoria again. Therefore, it is impossible green dripping shrubs and creepers, or terminated in a for us to deal with a management plan for that river smooth grassy bank sloping to the water's edge. without dealing with the South Australian situation, and some anomalies exist already. It is a picturesque description and the Glenelg River area is a scenic part of the world. It takes in farmland As the honourable member for Benambra, you, from the areas of Drik Drik and then flows through Mr Acting Speaker, would be well aware of the the lower Glenelg National Park and into the town anomalies that occur with the management of rivers of Nelson. on the border. In your case it is the River Murray and in my case the Glenelg River extends from HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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One of the things I wish to highlight in the township condition". There you have a clear distinction of Nelson is the scenic and cultural heritage, between what the Bill intends for natural catchment particularly in relation to the boat sheds and areas, which ought to be essentially in a natural landings built in that area. They are an important condition, and what the Bill intends for a heritage part of the cultural heritage of the river. They river, to which a multitude of uses, including provide a picturesque scene and a useful amenity of recreation, fishing and boating, as well as scenic, the river because those landings and boat sheds conservation and cultural heritage values, is provide access to the river for tourists, fishermen attached. and for boa ting enthusiasts. There is a clear distinction between the two groups, It is also of note that the western bank along the and I calUlot emphasise that enough. That point river has the boat sheds and landings whereas the must be taken into accowlt when management plans eastern bank, which is steeper and more rugged, is are drawn up. The wishes of Parliament must not be free of them so you have the balance between the abused by those drawing up management plans. natural scenic beauty and the scenic beauty That is the fear of many people in the area I enhanced by the boat sheds and their cultural represent; they are concerned that the classification heritage. These aspects of the area must be of ''heritage river" will be used as a de facto way of maintained in any management plan developed for balU1ing all fishing, boating and other activities and the Glenelg River. getting rid of man-made structures. That is clearly the intent of neither Parliament nor the Bill and that As I have said before the Bill clearly distinguishes point must be enforced all the way along. between groups of rivers. The Glenelg River is part of the Schedule 1 list, and Schedule 2 lists the natural Management plans must take accowlt of local catchment areas, and the Bill clearly sets out what opinion, local users of the river and, in the case of should happen with the two different groups. the Glenelg River, the views of South Australians. Victoria calUlot manage on its own a river that flows Clause 7 states: into South Australia and back into Victoria.

A managing authority of a heritage river must, insofar Clause 10 distinguishes between the various groups as it is consistent with the authority's duty to manage of rivers. Clause 10(1) applies to the Glenelg River the area responsibly - and specifies land and water uses that are not permitted. They include impoundment and artificial (a) Take all reasonable steps to ensure that the barriers or structures that impede the passage of significant nature conservation, recreation, scenic water fawla. There are many structures on the or cultural heritage attributes of the area are Glenelg River, but they do not impede the passage protected; and of water fauna. It can be strongly argued by many (b) Subject to paragraph (a), take all reasonable steps to local residents that the landings and boat sheds on provide opportunities for other recreational the river at Nelson provide a haven for many species activities, landscape appreciation and education of water fauna. That provision should not be used to within the area. get rid of landings, boat sheds and so on. I know a number of officers of the Department of Therefore clause 7 clearly recognises that heritage Conservation and Environment are intent on rivers, as outlined in Schedule 1, such as the Glenelg achieving that end, and I am concerned about that. River, have a multitude of uses. They must take accowlt of the nature conservation and recreation of Clause 12 lists land and water uses not permitted in the area which includes boating and fishing; and the natural catchment areas. As I said before, the boating includes canoeing and motor boats. They catchment areas are listed in Schedule 2 of the Bill must include scenic and cultural heritage areas. and do not include the Glenelg River at Nelson. Uses that are not permitted include the harvesting of The existence of the boat sheds and landings at the timber, establishment of plantations, grazing of Glenelg River at Nelson are an important part of that domestic animals and the use of powered water heritage, and must be taken into account wlder craft. The fact that those uses are spelt out as not clause 7 of the Bill. being permitted in natural catchment areas implies that they are permitted in heritage river areas Similarly clause 7(2) refers to a managing authority because they are not specifically excluded from of a natural catchment area which must ensure that those areas. the area is "maintained in an essentially natural HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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I again direct attention to the distinction between Mr STEGGALL (Swan Hill) - The Bill is not well catchment areas and heritage river areas. I am understood, is not well accepted and has generated a concemed to ensure that the two are not confused in lot of fear within the community. The Bill provides the implementation of the Bill. for Victorian heritage rivers through the protection of particular parts of rivers and river catchment Clause 18 deals with regulations. The honourable areas of Victoria which have Significant nature member for Murray Valley has a particular interest conservation, recreation, scenic or cultural heritage in that matter, and he directed attention to the attributes. sweeping, general and enabling nature of the clause. It states: One immediately rW1S into problems when one decides that some rivers are more significant than (1) The Governor in Council may make regulations for others. None of the rivers mentioned in the Bill are or with respect to the following matters- in the electorate I represent. (a) the control, management and use of heritage river areas and natural catchment areas; Mr Cooper - You are lucky. (b) management plans; Mr STEGGALL - That is right. The rivers in my Under that provision the govemment can do electorate are nice and their heritage has been passed anything it likes with the regulations. Subclause from generation to generation just as is the case with (2)(c) provides that regulations may leave any rivers covered by the Bill. The Bill is based on the matter to be approved or determined by the premise that one river is different from another. Minister. That is an extremely wide, sweeping regulation-making power and Parliament should not Unfortwlately, people have become fearful of the allow it. I am pleased the opposition will move its provisions in the Bill. During the past ten years of usual disallowance provision when the Bill is Labor government, cowltry people in particular debated in the other place so there will at least be have lost complete faith in the conservation lobby; some control on those extraordinarily wide powers. they know how it uses legislation such as this in ways not intended by Parliament. I direct the attention of the Minister to pages 14 and 15 of the Bill where spelling mistakes appear. I Recently the extremist conservation lobbies have wlderstand the govemment has not picked up the given COWltry areas a difficult time; now it is error because it does not propose to introduce any difficult to have a reasonable debate when asking amendments during the Committee stage. The people to take on trust a piece of legislation such as heading to colunml of Schedule 3 at pages 14 and the one now before the House. 15 states: Last weekend in my electorate we experienced the No Impoundments artificial barriers or structures are to amlUal fiasco of the opening of the duck hunting be contructed. season, with the activities of the extremist animal liberationists. Everyone is becoming heartily sick Should the word "contructed" be "constructed" or and tired of this amlUal event. Those living in forest "contracted"? I assume it means "constructed". areas have experienced the same type of mischief, However, the mistake makes an enormous and also are sick and tired of these events. difference in the way the Bill is interpreted. Now the mistake has been drawn to his attention, I am sure When the Premier was the Minister for the Minister will ensure that the necessary Conservation, Forests and Lands, Victoria amendment is moved. experienced the battle of the river frontage leases, particularly in northem Victoria and on the River The Bill is basically enabling legislation, and the key Murray. No-one in the area has forgotten that battle to it is the management plans. As I have argued and therefore many questions are asked about throughout my contribution, they must reflect the legislation such as this. Many have asked, ''Why is contents of the Bill and the will of Parliament. They this legislation necessary?" must also reflect the clear distinction between natural catchment areas and heritage river areas. Mr Jasper - Hear, hear! It is not necessary. It is Clause 7 recognises that steps must be taken to look not about building dams. after the nature conservation, recreation, scenic and cultural heritage attributes of heritage rivers. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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Mr STEGGALL - I do not believe that is what it throughout Victoria regarding water management does. schemes: (a) To cause assessment and investigations connected The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr Lieberman) - with water resources and the environment in Order! The honourable member for Swan Hill connection with waterways to be undertaken; should address the Chair and not have private conversations with the honourable member for (b) To cause schemes for the improved management of Murray Valley. waterways, drainage and floodplains to be prepared and implemented; Mr Jasper - Why not? (c) to develop public education programs for promoting broad community awareness of the role of Mr STEGGALL - It is the only time we speak! waterway management authorities in the overall The legislation is virtually an effort by the resource conservation and development in Victoria. govemment to identify rivers that it terms "heritage rivers" and catchments; to identify those areas that It would be better to utilise that section of the Water would be termed "wild rivers", and scenic Victorian Act to achieve what this Bill attempts to achieve, rivers. It has lined them up and said, "After four that is, to provide an operative aspect through the years of LCC study these are the areas we believe, implementation of management plans, thereby for the heritage and beauty of the State, we should making management plans as described in this Bill protect and look after~'. I have no problem with that different from, and I should add preferable to, those or with any legislation that identifies those rivers, provided for in the Water Act. but I do have problems if the legislation makes those rivers different. It is incorrect to say that these rivers I honestly believe, by taking that course, the have more significance or are more important than govenunent would achieve a greater acceptance of those flowing throughout northem Victoria, and what it is attempting to do; it should use the particularly those in my electorate. Heritage Rivers Bill to identify those areas that need those schemes or management plans. I hope the That being the case, I accept that the legislation Minister is aware that in northem Victoria, through attempts to identify areas of significance. The the role of the govemment on the Murray-Darling govemment and the LCC have erred in attempting Basin Commission, a salinity plan is now operating to use the legislation to introduce a series of controls along the River Murray; actually, the Kerang lakes and management plans to implement the desires of area working group study is to be launched next the govemment in COlUlection with what it terms Friday by the Minister. "heritage rivers". Those management plans are established in You, Mr Acting Speaker, would be well aware that conjwlCtion with the methods developed in northem recently we debated the passage of what is now the Victoria, South Australia and southem New South Water Act when we actually established the Wales throughout the 1970s. They are what the mechanism which has been duplicated in this Bill. commission called "the communities of common concem" method of approaching the problem. If I may have the attention of the Minister at the table, I suggest he give serious consideration to Success in the past ten years following the dropping the management plans provided for in the govenunent's acceptance in 1982 of establishing Bill and utilising the management plan system community-based working groups to work through prescribed in the Water Act, which provides for a far problems in different areas in relation to salinity better system of water management schemes. along the river basins has been achieved because the commw1ities have established ownership. This is a most almoying place because the Community groups have cooperated with govemment has absolutely no interest in the debate govemment departments to try to come to a proper before the Chair; it is difficult to have a meaningful solution to a problem that everyone acknowledges debate in this place because honourable members on does exist. The controversy created by the Bill is this side are completely and utterly ignored. because for some reason or other the department responsible for the introduction of the Bill was not I ask the Minister to consider the water management fully aware of what is in the Water Act. schemes in section 213 of the Water Act. Under that provision the Minister has the following functions HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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I ask the Minister to take up with the Minister for Under the Water Act Parliament has a right to Conservation and Environment the concept of doing interfere in the process of trading bulk entitlements away with management plans as provided for in the between authorities. Problems can be overcome Bill and utilising the water management schemes through the water schemes in the Water Act. We are model in the Water Act which involves community not proud of the way the Wimmera River was groups studying the problems in the relevant areas. handled. It has suffered from time to time with the harvesting of water for the Wimmera/Mallee The Minister has enormous powers w1der the system. In one of the great engineering feats of the provisions of the Water Act; he can give directions to century, water is piped from the Grampians to the any authority that wishes to perform any of the northem Mallee. It is hoped to pipe the northern fW1Ctions or to exercise any of the powers conferred sections of the Wimmera/Mallee to obtain improved by the Act. When that legislation was debated in this flows back into the Wimmera River and to improve place we argued that the clause contained a its environment. That is one of the hopes of all of us dangerous power for any Minister to hold. in northem and westem Victoria. There should be a proper water supply in the northem Mallee through It is probably far better than the old method where a pipe system. the power rested with the Rural Water Commission, formerly the State Rivers and Water Supply The alU1Ual releases in the Wimmera/Mallee Commission and the Minister was accow1table for storages are about 200 000 megalitres a year, of his or her actions under the Water Act. I do not have which 35 per cent is consumed and 65 per cent is lost any problems with the Heritage Rivers Bill if its to evaporation and seepage. That should not purpose is to identify areas that are significant and continue. The total storages contain about 750 000 to maintain the rivers in a scenic state. Rather than megalitres. The am1Ual evaporation in the storages is applying management plans under the Bill, those about 70 000 megalitres. About 40 per cent to 50 per plans should be applied by those communities to cent of the total storage capacity is in the Rocklands enable them to take part in the solutions. reservoir in the Glenelg River catchment. One hopes that area is being managed through the bulk At present a review is being conducted into entitlements process to ensure the environment Melboume's water resources. Some of the rivers that flows are maintained. The Grampians and are involved in the Heritage Rivers Bill are targeted Rocklands Black Range storage services 51 towns, for possible diversion of water to Melboume. There including the City of Horsham, and covers a is a mechanism W1der the Water Act by which that population of 60 000. It has 3000 hectares of can be done with bulk entitlements. Those irrigation, 16000 kilometres of open chalU1els, 13500 entitlements will eventually go to each of the water parcels of land in ownership and approximately authorities in the regional areas and in years to come 25 000 dams. those authorities will be able to trade in water entitlements. We are now waiting for the Consumption in the Wimmera/Mallee is basically bureaucracy and the water industry to settle down 90 per cent stock and domestic with 10 per cent to a future management operation to enable these irrigation. Sooner or later some government at a processes to begin. Federal or State level will pipe water to the northern MalIee, which is a line level with Sea Lake. The review proposed that some 32 000 megalitres of water a year be taken out of the Thomson River. The The estimated cost of the pipeline is approximately Aberfeldy River has been the subject of some debate $65 million, $15 million of which is for farms and and will be debated in the Committee stage of the other works. If the northem section of the Bill. It is one of the rivers earmarked for possible Wimmera/Mallee were to be piped, it would take diversion to Melboume. between 3000 and 4000 megalitres of River Murray water. It is estimated that piping this area would Some 80 000 megalitres a year are diverted from the save approximately 65 000 megalitres of water being Goulbum and Big rivers to Melboume. The released from the storages each year. mechanisms that exist in the Water Act accommodate that situation. If the authorities in Such a scheme would allow the Wimmera River to those areas are prepared to sell the water and be upgraded so that enviromnental flows would be Parliament agrees to the sales, the argument will be achieved as would the growth and protection of on the price, volume and availability of the water to Horsham and other communities in that southern be transferred in future years. HERITAGE RIVERS BILL

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area of the State that would be brought back into a In the 1970s South Australia, New South Wales and strong and healthy situation. Victoria, through the then Murray League, argued that the local people should have an input into The' Heritage Rivers Bill mentions the Wimmera decisions made about the area and should be River. I suggest that many people keenly support involved in a resolution of their problems. the piping of the Wimmera-Mallee system to achieve the stock levels possible. At the moment the shortfall The method was picked up by the Labor of water in the system is some 20 000 megalitres government and has been successful. It has had the each year. Currently little opportwlity exists for full cooperation of the local people, including growth in the Horsham area or for a reasonable myself, over the years. The heritage rivers issue environmental flow in the Wimmera River. If my should have the same method applied to it. The suggestion were taken up, all the problems I have Murray-Darling Basin Agreement calls it the mentioned would be resolved, as would any that "commw1ity of common concern". The working might be faced by Wimmera Industrial Minerals, if groups have come together in an attempt to resolve the company's proposal is implemented in the the issues. future. When such an approach involving local people is I ask the govenunent to reconsider the Bill in its adopted, not only are the problems resolved but a present fonn. When the Bill is in the other place, the range of benefits results. People in the area gather coalition will move the amendments foreshadowed knowledge as they work through the management by the honourable member for Warrandyte because plans or schemes and that knowledge is transmitted of the low level of trust in which this govenunent is throughout the whole area. The spin-off is that held in country areas in respect of its approach to people understand far more about their water conservation issues relating both to the land and to resource. In the case of Gippsland, they will the water in our rivers and streams. I suggest that w1derstand the needs related to scenic streams; the the Minister for Conservation and Environment - people who live near the Mitchell River will be able and the honourable member for Warrandyte in to w1derstand what is needed if there are to be dams discussions he has with the govenunent - consider on the river in the future. All these issues can be the concept of taking out of the Bill those clauses worked through at the local level. Experts do not that deal with management plans and leave them to need to come into an area like Gippsland East and be implemented w1der the Water Act. All the direct the local people to travel along a single path. provisions necessary to achieve what is expressed in the Bill can be addressed by provisions of the Water I plead with the MiIlister for Conservation and Act. My advice is that those provisions should not Environment - through the Minister for Finance, be duplicated. If they are, a series of management the Minister at the table - and the honourable plans will be duplicated and those put in place member for Warrandyte to look carefully at the w1der the Heritage Rivers Bill will take precedence provisions of the Water Act when they undertake over any others. their discussions. The Water Act reflects the result of a fairly successful attempt by this Parliament to put The approach I recommend will help those who together a management regime for our most have described problems that will arise from the important natural resource -water. The Water Act implications of the proposed legislation for both the has been tested in quite a few areas and has proved Macallister River and the Mitchell River. The satisfactory. Although it is only a new Act and has honourable member for Gippsland East referred to not been tested widely, it covers some of the matters the problems confronted and the fears expressed by sought to be provided for by the Heritage Rivers the people of Gippsland East. Bill. The matters causing the government trouble are the very ones that are provided for in the Water Act. For some 60 years people in northern Victoria went through the process of having experts coming into Over the past few hours honourable members have the area and telling us how to change the existing expressed the fears of local people about the regime of water management. They recommended management plans. The proposed legislation will schemes and put them in place and then they left, always be tanlished and will have a low level of coming back to Melbourne to live off the handsome trust among the very people who must trust it. fees they had earned. People who live in the areas that will be affected by the provisions of the Bill want to keep the rivers and their catchments at the highest possible standard; MAGISTRATES' COURT (COSTS) BILL

360 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 199: they do not want to wreck the rivers. The Water Act Honourable members will be able to address both contains all the provisions necessary to establish the issue and the Bill before the House. management plans. The Minister for Water Resources will be able to direct commwlities of This Bill has set the cat among the pigeons, for want common concern through the water management of a better pun. The Minister for Food and schemes. He will be able to direct the local people as Agriculture deserves brownie points for bringing the well as experts from government departments to Bill into the House. In saying that I shall grapple with the problems and consider the needs of demonstrate to the House tonight that the legislation the water catchment areas that will be affected by contains a number of deficiencies because the the Heritage Rivers Bill. government has not followed to the nth degree the recommendations of the Social Development If my suggested approach is followed, far less Committee. It is often the case that those committees pressure will be felt by local people and the arrive at decisions through common consensus and antagonism and fear created by the Bill in its present without political point scoring. form will disappear. It is disappointing that the Minister has brought the Debate adjourned on motion of Mr MICALLEF Bill into the House without taking into consideration (Springvale). all the suggestions and recommendations put forward by the committee. However, since the Debate adjourned until next day. Minister has brought the Bill into the House we have the opportwlity for a full and frank debate on the MAGISTRATES' COURT (COSTS) BILL subject.

Returned from Council with message relating to This is a very emotive subject to the community, and amendments. I do not honestly think that I have ever received more correspondence on any other piece of Ordered to be considered next day. legislation. All honourable members have probably been subjected to extreme lobbying by organisations POLICE (INDUSTRIAL FUNCTIONS) and individuals. It may make the Minister take the BILL debate in Parliament seriously.

Returned from Council with message relating to There should be a commitment to bipartisanship in amendments. order to reach the best possible solution. That is why I ask the Minister to take on board the suggestions Ordered to be considered next day. honourable members put forward, and if further discussion on this issue is needed when the debate is COMPANION ANIMALS BILL finished, the opposition parties would be happy to join in that discussion in order to reach bipartisan Second reading consensus for the best possible result.

Order of the Day read for resumption of debate. In trying to come to terms with the Bill the coalition's agricultural committee met with a The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr Lieberman) - considerable number of groups: the Bureau of Order! I am of the opinion that the second reading of Animal Welfare; Petcare; the Royal Society for the this Bill is required to be passed by an absolute Prevention of Cruelty to Atlimals (RSPCA); the majority. Victorian Calune Association; the Cat Protection Society, the Municipal Association of Victoria; the Debate resumed from Tuesday, 26 November 1991; Australian Veterinary Association; the Australian motion of Mr BAKER (then Minister for and New Zealand Federation of Atumal Societies; Agriculture). Cerberus; the Victorian National Parks Association; the Victorian Horse Cowlcil; the Equestrian Mr W. D. McGRATH (Lowan) - This is the start Federation of Australia; the Australian Warmblood of what I anticipate will be a fairly long debate with Horse Association; and various municipal cOWlcils. honourable members on both sides of the House taking the opportwuty of expressing concern about The Bill originated from the Social Development the direction of the Compaluon Atumals Bill. Committee's report of 1989, which recommended COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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that the Bill should promote responsible ownership comments so wide that it was difficult to marry all of companion animals; promote and protect the the positions brought forward. We consulted welfare of companion animals; reduce overbreeding; Or Graham Smith, the executive officer of the Lost reduce the nuisance caused by companion animals Dogs Home, and we fow1d that the home does a and the destruction of flora and faw1a; regulate great job in providing welfare for dogs and cats. It is companion animal businesses; and regulate the fair to say that the philosophy there - it was boarding and agistment of horses. The report described as a "charter" and I respect that there is a defined a companion animal as a dog or a cat and charter - is animal welfare. This organisation treats recommended that there be separate legislation for injured dogs and cats that are brought in and horses. endeavours to find them good homes with responsible owners. The Lost Dog's Home offers a It is suggested that the Bill is politically contrived to number of services. support major welfare organisations in Victoria, that it departs substantially from the committee's report, The Bill aims to reduce the total numbers of cats and and that it is poorly drafted. An early press release, dogs and their effect on wildlife and to reduce the dated 11 November 1991, which got the public number of strays arow1d parks and back alleys in offside, states: the metropolitan area.

Minister for Agriculture Mr Ian Baker said today the The opposition attempted to assist the groups Department of Agriculture was pushing ahead with involved in this issue reach common ground but plans to encourage more Victorians to have their pets their respective positions were wide apart. We told desexed in the interests of animal welfare. the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Cat Protection Society and the Mr Baker said the Companion Animals Bill - the first Municipal Association of Victoria that they should of its kind in Australia - would encourage greater pet get together and attempt to reach some common desexing through a registration incentive scheme. grow1d. The Ca t Protection Society tried hard to reach a common position with the Municipal Under the proposed legislation, pet owners will be Association of Victoria. asked to pay $170 more to register an entire dog and $90 more to register an entire cat compared to desexed I have in front of me a record of a meeting held on pets. 26 February 1992 at the offices of the MA V between representatives of the MA V and the Cat Protection These figures are not in the Bill. The Bill states that a Society. Present were Mr Brian Parry and Or Carole fee will be established for desexed animals and that Webb from the Cat Protection Society; Cr Vin Duffy entire animals will incur a penalty of no more than and Mr Fred Pallas from the Shire of Momington; 200 per cent of the minimum fee for desexed and Ms Helen Proctor and Ms Glenda Heywood animals. That suggests that a desexed dog should be from the MA V. around $55 to register and a desexed cat about $30, based on the arithmetic in the Minister's press I wish to read this document because it is important release. for what the opposition is proposing to the Minister that he takes this information on board. The Again the Minister got people offside. The press document reads: release further states: Or Ca role Webb outlined the present activities of the Mr Baker said owners who do not register their pets Cat Protection Society and explained the nature of the under the proposed legislation would face fines of up stray and unwanted cat problem. to $240. She stressed that at the present time there is no legal You are not fined that much for a driving offence or clarification as to whether the cat is owned. The society for not having your seat belt on, but here you face a therefore seeks legal status for cats. Agreed to. fine of $240. It was a bit of a red-rag-to-a-bull philosophy that was going on: it got the dogs Due to the large numbers of stray cats, measures must barking in the community. now be taken to ease the problem.

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MA V representatives explained that it was felt that The difference in price should go into the funds to be compulsory registration only treated the symptoms of controlled by the implanting authority, e.g. councils, the "disease", it did not treat the cause. Cat Protection, RSPCA, and animal shelters on the proviso that they must use the funds for a Suggested alternative solution predetermined purpose, e.g. trapping. 1. No system of compulsory registration of cats. This price differential should also apply to private 2. Voluntary identification of a cat ideally using a operators as well. They would be required to remit the microchip system. If this fails then a collar and disc differential in price to their council. system be sufficient. That is not a bad solution. The document continues: 3. Cats would be destroyed if they were not identified: a "wild" cat could be destroyed immediately. Central facility to record microchip numbers Would a definition in the Act be sufficient or should legislation provide that a veterinary It was felt that a central facility would be necessary to surgeon determine the status of a cat? record details. Questions are: other unidentified domestic cats would also be Who would fund? destroyed (or rehoused immediately). Who would operate this service? A preliminary view is that there should be no Suggested linking of current resources via computer. holding period. Phase-in period talked about - six Fee charged at unplantation/tagging (small) to cover to twelve months? computer cost. 4. The State government should sponsor a long-term educational program for companion animals. I understand that the Royal agricultural societies Discussed a coordination of existing literature and have a centralised computer system in Sydney that incorporation into school curricula. can facilitate the recording of information for both of the available microchip ping methods. It may be said The Minister in his press release I spoke about said that Sydney is too far away and that people would that an education campaign was critical to the not bother to make a long distance telephone call. I legislation. There is, however, nothing about understand, however, that a 008 number is provided education in the proposed legislation. That is a for people to ring to obtain information as to who deficiency in the Bill. I know that Petcare has been owns a particular cat if information about that cat involved in educational programs in schools in has been recorded by municipal by-laws officers or Queensland, South Australia and Westem Australia whoever captured the cat. The cat can then be and is prepared and ready to undertake similar retumed to its owner, perhaps with a waming that types of programs in Victorian schools if given stray cats are a nuisance in the community and the encouragement by the govemment. user is fortunate to get it back, but that because the user wisely had the cat tagged it was able to be I retum to the record of the meeting between the Cat traced. Protection Society and the MA V dealing with desexing. The document continues: The document continues: Desexing Cost implications of these proposals

It was felt that the above measures would efficiently 1. Councils would be required to do the following: satisfy the public's belief that authorities should reduce collect stray and unwanted cats on public request the stray and unwanted cat problem. However, how is or on its own initiative; and the public being urged to desex animals seeing there would be no differential registration fee for cats? purchase scanners (microchip). Councils would only have to build holding facilities for It was suggested that when a cat is microchipped cats, provide appropriate vehicles for cat collection and (ideally as the method of identification) if it is not equipment if it chose to (the philosophy is that desexed the identification will be more expensive identified cats would be released). (similarly if issued a council collar and tag). I will give all of this information to the Minister. COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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The coalition parties today decided not to support 1. The society strongly supports the compulsory the registration of cats. The coalition supports a identification of cats included in the Bill. position that provides that cat owners have a Although the words "compulsory identification" are voluntary right to identify their animals using an used, after discussions with the Municipal a pproved system - a microchip system in Association of Victoria the society realises the conjunction with a central register, or a collar and difficulties associated with compulsory tag containing the owner's name and address. The identification and is now happy to accept voluntary latter proposal is seen as the low-cost altemative for identification. The submission further states: people feeling the economic pinch. We feel that whilst the collar and tag method of The Companion Animals Bill should include identification is adequate, it would be preferable to provisions that would enable councils to deal with require permanent identification by microchip. The the stray cat problem in their areas. That provision current state of microchip technology is more than should be based on the right of councils to trap and adequate to provide a safe and permanent dispose of unidentified cats in the approved ma1U1er, identification method for cats and dogs and provides a either immediately or by arrangement with an fail-safe protection for animals identified by this animal shelter. Cat owners will be able to protect method. their pets by taking advantage of the voluntary identification scheme. 2. We see a central registry either operated or controlled by the government, not private enterprise, as an I ask the Minister for Food and Agriculture to important ingredient in facilitating the consider the proposal so tha t the opposition and the implementation of the new Bill. Conceivably this govemment can reach a common position on the could be a simple linking together of present Companion Animals Bill. resources overseen by a government agency. 3. Approximately 65 per cent of cats received at shelters My comments are reinforced by the submission on are wild and unowned. Whilst there is provision the Bill presented by the Cat Protection Society of under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act to Victoria, which is authorised by Carole Webb, the immediately euthanise these cats, the Cat executive director of the organisation. Protection Society feels this should be restated and clarified in the new Bill. These cats are totally The Cat Protection Society is to be congratulated on "unhandleable" and to hold them for any longer its submission, which is outstanding and gives a than 24 hours is inhumane. The euthanasia or these good insight into the issues that arise when cats are cats should be at the discretion of a practising used for breeding purposes or kept as pets, as well veterinary surgeon and subject to them being as the problems caused by cats in the wild. The unidentified ... society's submission says that: 7. The society would like to see that after the initial The Bill is of vital importance to the whole community phase-in period of the new legislation, that the for it addresses several key issues not previously statutory holding period for impounded dogs and included in legislation. cats apply only to identified dogs and cats. This will be an added incentive for owners to identify (i) The provision of a legal status for the cat; and register their cats and dogs. (ii) Statewide registration and identification of cats; I w1derstand why it is necessary for animal welfare (iii) The requirement for holding periods for identified shelters to hold cats and dogs for eight days before cats in pounds and shelters; disposing of them. Eight days gives the owners the opportw1ity of claiming their animals; but that (iv) The regulation of companion animal businesses; seems a long time for shelters to be obliged to hold (v) The regulation of the boarding and agistment of animals before disposing of them. companion animals. The Minister must accept that responSible pet Further: owners will have their animals identified, whether by microchip or by tag. Only negligent or uncaring The society wishes to raise some minor points where owners will not have their cats identified; and it is we feel the Bill has scope to be more effective or needs only when negligent or w1Caring owners do not some clarification. In doing so we do not wish to adequately care for their cats and dogs that the detract from the Bill nor delay its implementation. animals become a nuisance. COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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The registration provisions may be hard on Each year animal welfare shelters in Melbourne receive pensioners. Often pensioners spend $4 or $5 a week 45000 unwanted and stray cats and kittens. 36 000 of on food for their pets -- these will be euthanised. A large percentage are wild or ill, for the others there are simply not enough homes. Or Napthine interjected. Our society alone handles 12000, of which 80-90 per cent will be put to sleep. We therefore face a tragic MrW. D. McGRATH -As the honourable problem of overbreeding which has stemmed from member for Portland says, it is more like $1 a day. irresponsible ownership. Whatever they spend it is costly to feed cats and dogs; nevertheless they elect to do so. The financial cost of handling these cats in shelters is an estimated $1.5 million annually. The emotional cost is My point is that such people are also prepared to much higher. accept the responsibility of having their animals identified. Although it may be pleasing for the first It is a very large problem with which we have to month or two after a cat has kittens, once the kittens come to terms, and that is why we are strongly are weaned they often start straying far and wide, committed to working with the government to which is when they become a nuisance. achieve the very best possible position.

Unchecked cat numbers are a problem not only in I could go on at length about the inclusion of horses the metropolitan area but throughout Victoria. in the Bill. I will not, suffice to say that all provisions Whether on Crown land or arowld vacant farm relating to horses should be removed from the Bill sheds stray cats are often a problem - even though and that the definition of "companion animal" sometimes they can help to keep the mouse should be confined to dogs and cats. population under control. The opposition has received a number of The Cat Protection Society of Victoria has a better submissions from various horse groups including idea of the problem than I have, because its the Australian Warmblood Horse Association, the members are the experts. Its submission states~ Equestrian Federation of Australia and the Victorian Horse Cowlcil. That last group, under the signature The stray cat population is an enormous one. There are· of Mr Neil Semple, President, states: an estimated 900 000 owned cats in Victoria and an estimated 200-300 000 stray cats. In the Melbourne area Following extensive consultation with our members, I alone there are an estimated 150 000 strays. These am able to advise the following policy of the Victorian figures are based on: Horse Council. (a) From the Social Development Committee report: 1. Horses should be removed from the Companion Animals Bill. Uncle Ben's of Australia, the largest pet food manufacturer in the country, provided information 2. A separate Horse Act be drafted. from market surveys which estimated that in 3. An essential part of the Horse Act be the Victoria there are 788 000 owned dogs (excluding establishment of a central register of all horses, to working dogs) and 849 000 owned cats (1989 be operated by the Victorian Horse Council. figures). I am pleased to be able to offer the full support and This was based on the survey's findings that 34 per cent active assistance of the horse industry via the Victorian of households own 1.48 cats. Horse Council in achieving these aims. (b) According to Matheson (1984) "Domestic Cats as a Factor in Urban Ecology", Journal of Animal Ecology, The Companion Animals Bill was written for cats and Volume 13, page 130: dogs, horses have been added for convenience. The horse industry, through racing and other activities, is a 2S per cent of owned pets represents the stray cat major contributor to government revenue and a huge population. employer. We should not have to put up with These general trends can also be used to estimate stray legislation which will create more problems than it cat populations in other Victorian towns based on solves. human population figures. A separate Horse Act can deal with, among other things, the outdated Livery and Agistment Act and COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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standards at riding schools. The only way to seriously If one takes on board the provision of the tackle the welfare problem is through a central register. registration cost for cats and dogs, the 5 per cent to be paid to the board will net an enormous amount of I am glad to say that in an a1U10uncement yesterday money, so we hope the cow1Cils will be a little more the Minister for Food and Agriculture has agreed lenient in the establishment of registration fees. with that position. Therefore, I do not see much point in debating the horse factor in the Bill. There is However, the opposition supports the need for a no argument that the Bill should apply only to cats differential scheme of fees for desexed as opposed to and dogs. non-desexed cats and dogs. It should be done through a one-off registration fee. I notice from the In addition, the provision relating to dangerous dogs local papers that many cow1cils, such as the is generally supported, with the proviso of the need Horsham City Council, have advertised that dog for some refinement of impractical provisions such owners must register their dogs, and they have a as those in clause 22 relating to dogs fow1d in differential fee in place already. It amounts to particular places, for example at beaches and approximately $25 registration for a non-desexed schools. I w1derstand the Minister will be animal and $12.50 for a desexed animaL introducing an amendment to facilitate those issues. The councils understand and are implementing a I guess the Minister could point at departmental differential fee structure already under the Dog Act officers who are a little negligent in not picking up and ideally they can bring about a continuation of these problems. I understand the provisions were that registration differential with the Bill. This will part of the old Dog Act. In discussions with need to be reviewed in a few years, and, when the departmental officers they acknowledged the opposition is in govemment, we are prepared to mistake and were more than ready to rectify it, and give an undertaking that a review of legislation will we are very happy with that explanation. take place in a bipartisan way.

Another aspect that I would like the Minister to The opposition is concemed about Part 5 of the Bill reconsider is the establishment of the Animal relating to boarding and agistment of companion Welfare FW1d Administration Board. The fW1d is not animals. We do not agree with placing a reporting supported. The Animal Welfare Advisory Council, requirement onto the person responsible for the which has a number of interest groups already with animal's welfare. membership and holding positions on that cow1cil, and falls within the control of the animal welfare We agree in principle with Part 4 which involves the bureau within the Department of Food and registration and conduct of companion animal Agriculture, is already established. We believe that businesses. However, changes will be needed to the to put in place a new administration board really definition of companion welfare businesses, and we only creates another bureaucracy. are prepared to sit down and work through those.

The Minister, in his department, already has a The definition of "run for profit" is concerning a conunittee in place that can carry out the number of the companion animal owners and implementation and administration necessary from breeders, and I am sure we can work through that a departmental point of view, bearing in mind that issue with the Minister. much of the responsibility will still rest heavily on the mW1icipal cow1cils arow1d Victoria in how they I am concemed that too often we allow impulse take up the requirements of the Bill and bring about buying at the Saturday moming market or the local its implementation. Therefore, we ask the Minister flea market where children, accompanied by their to consider abandoning the idea of the parents, see a puppy or a kitten, become attached to administration board. it and have their parents buy the pet. The animal is taken home, fed for one or two months, but then the We support the concept of 5 per cent of the child gets sick of it and it becomes an unwanted and registration fees being collected, but a separate fund neglected pet. That is distressing to people who does not have to be established for that to be either find it injured or find that it is causing a facilitated; it can be done through the Animal nuisance to their own animals that are responsibly Welfare Advisory Council. cared for. COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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I could go on for 2 hours reciting the submissions The original Dog Act was the first attempt to deal and letters that I have received from a variety of with compaluon alumals, but the real focus for the organisations. Some organisations support the Bill, Bill was initiated by the Social Development but on balance most say that it needs to be amended Committee's Report into the Role and Welfare of significantly. The compulsory registration of cats is Companion Animals in Society that was presented to not supported in the commwlity. The altemative Parliament in May 1989. The Minister failed to proposal of a voluntary one-off identification recogIuse some of the important, indeed scheme is supported by a wide section of the fundamental, principles set out in that report. In community, and I eamestly ask the Minister for particular, the committee recommended that there Food and Agriculture to discuss that provision with be a separate Companion Animals Act and a Horse the opposition at the end of the second-reading Act. That would have been more acceptable and debate so that the Bill can be amended to the would not have caused the present ire in the satisfaction of the community. commwlity, particularly from horse organisations. Those organisations protested on the steps of The Companion Animals Bill is a govemment Bill Parliament House recently against the inclusion of and it is appropriate that the Minister, with the aid horses in the Bill. The Minister made a political of his officers, prepare the amendments rather than mistake which caused wUlecessary anger in the the opposition preparing its own amendments. I commwlity. believe the commwuty will indicate publicly in the next few days that what the opposition is saying is The committee also recommended an identification the way to go. I hope the Minister, at the appropriate system as a key to cat control. If there is an effective, time, takes on the suggestions that I have made workable identification system, powers can be given today, which will be supported by a number of to municipalities to control cats and pet owners will opposition speakers. know that their pets are protected.

The Bill has stirred emotions in the commwuty. I The Bill does not provide for an education process, agree with the Mhuster that the problem has to be even though the Minister referred to it in a press addressed. That is why the opposition is prepared to release. The Minister refers to the establishment of work with the govemment in drafting a Bill that is in the Animal Welfare FWld Administration Board, but the best interests of the community. he does not provide resources for education purposes. That failure alienated some people and Dr NAPTHINE (Portland) -It is a pleasure to organisations, particularly the Municipal follow the Deputy Leader of the National Party in Association of Victoria, which is concemed about a 5 the second-reading debate on this Bill because he has per cent levy on registration fees for cats and dogs presented the opposition's case well. It would be being used to fund the Animal Welfare Fund easy, given the commwlity ire, to lambaste the Administration Board. Unfortunately, the Minister govenlffient and the Minister for Food and has not indica ted tha t one of the uses of the fund Agriculture and throw out the Bill in the other place. could be for education, which the Social Some people would consider the opposition heroes, Development Committee recognised as one of the but I do not believe that would help Victoria one iota fWldamental keys to changing commwlity attitudes or solve the problems that the Bill is attempting to to pet ownership and making people more solve in dealing with animal welfare, stray dogs and responSible for their pets. cats. I have outlined three fWldamental issues The opposition's approach is sensible because it puts recommended by the Social Development forward a number of positive suggestions following Committee which were not accepted by the Minister. much hard work over the past month. The opposition will work with the Mhuster and his Companion animals provide great benefits to the departmental officers, Dr Penson and Mr McCrory, commwlity. I quote from the report of the Social who have done an excellent job in briefing the Development Committee. Dr John Smith, an animal opposi tion. I know from my personal experience welfare officer, Australian National University, how dedicated they are to achieving a good result. It states: is important for the opposition to adopt a statesmanlike approach instead of making a cheap I really do not need to elaborate on the joy of being political point. It will work with the govemment to enthusiastically greeted by the family dog on arriving solve a real problem in the commwlity. home from a hard day at the office, or the comfort COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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derived from sitting down after the evening meal with bandicoot and the Shire of Sherbrooke is trying to the family cat purring loudly in one's lap, or indeed on protect lyrebirds in its area. A number of coastal the delight of exercising the family pony by going towns, such as the City of Portland, have problems riding in the crisp, fresh atmosphere of the early with dogs attacking fairy penguins. Stray cats and morning. dogs are a significant threat to native wildlife.

Similarly, the Royal Society for the Prevention of The legislation is needed, but it must be effective Cruelty to Animals states: and simple and it must protect responsible pet owners. They must know that their pet cats and Since the second world war the usefulness of pets as dogs will not be rounded up and destroyed by working dogs, company, therapy and guidance has over-zealous officers. The Bill must also encourage been realised and the number kept by Australians has people to be responsible pet owners, to desex their dramatically increased. In many cases, the sick, lonely animals and to keep them under control at all times. or disabled rely absolutely on their pets for recovery, That may mean keeping cats inside at night or friendship, company and assistance. keeping dogs on leashes when walking. That is all part of responsible pet ownership, and the Bill must One has only to look specifically at the use of dogs encourage that. for visually impaired and hearing impaired people to realise their usefulness. I t is now common for A significant component of the Bill must be dogs and cats to be used in nursing homes to education so that people can understand problems stimulate elderly people. Cats and dogs provide a caused by unwanted cats and dogs. Many people in useful fWlction in the lives of elderly and disabled the commwlity who buy pets or pick up strays have people, and that is apart from their general role as limi ted experience in managing companion animals pets and friends to the general community. and do not know how to train, supervise and look after them properly. When dealing with the Bill honourable members must realise that companion animals have a useful Any legislation such as this must have the support and significant role in society. However, large of the major animal welfare groups. The support of numbers of wlwanted, stray and feral animals, the MWlicipal Association of Victoria is essential to particularly cats, are creating enormous difficulties. the successful implementation of the Bill. Pet owners In its summary of the Bill the Department of Food must also support the legislation. From my and Agriculture states: consultation with the community I know the general thrust of the Bill has the support of the majority of Animal shelters in Victoria take in more than 80 000 animal welfare groups. However, other groups are stray cats and dogs a year. Many of those would make not as supportive. lovely pets - if somebody wanted them. The MWlicipal Association of Victoria is vigorously About 50 000 of these 80 000 strays are destroyed: their opposed to the Bill; it is passionately opposed to the owners cannot be identified and no-one comes to claim registration of cats. Many individual councils have them. also told members of the opposition - I am sure the Minister has received similar letters - that they Those that don't get picked up may turn feral and prey totally oppose the Bill. Even as recently as a few on our native animals to survive. days ago I received letters from the shires of Ararat and Kowree indicating their opposition to the The problem of wlwanted dogs and cats in the legislation. The Bill needs the support of the community must be dealt with. If members of the MWlicipal Association of Victoria and individual opposition simply rejected the Bill because it was municipalities if it is to succeed. not good enough, they would be neglecting their duty to the community. I am a representative of One positive outcome of the discussions the COWltry Victoria and am aware of the real problems coalition has had with various groups is the slight caused by feral cats, which are widespread shift in the position of the Municipal Association of throughout rural Victoria and the outskirts of Victoria. It is now considering a more responsible Melbourne. way of dealing with the problem rather than simply saying the Bill should be thrown out. The City of Hamilton has wldertaken an enormous program to protect the endangered eastern barred COMPANION ANIMALS ~ILL

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On 13 March 1992 the association wrote to my including amendments dealing with horses and, as colleague, the honourable member for Lowan, further amendments will be required, given the stating: complexity of the Bill, the only sensible action is for the Minister to withdraw the Bill and in a bipartisan I write in regard to the Companion Animals Bill which way work together to develop a Companion is currently being given detailed consideration by the Animals Bill (No. 2) on which we all agree. We can association. work in a similar way on the horse industry legisla tion. As advised to you previously, the association's first response to the Bill was as follows: The Deputy Leader of the National Party has already spoken briefly about horses. The Minister has seen 1. it is totally opposed to the proposal for a 5 per cent the light. This moming he alUlounced in the registration renewal fee to be paid to the animal newspaper that he will be moving to withdraw from welfare fund; the Bill the provisions on horses in line with the 2. does not favour compulsory cat registration; recommendation of the Social Development Committee. 3. is in agreement with the 200 per cent differential in companion animal registration fees; and I shall summarise briefly the reasons the provisions 4. wants the technical and practical problems identified for horses do not belong in the Bill. One of the main in the Bill addressed in detail. reasons is the total lack of support from the horse industry. A letter from the Victorian Horse Council The letter refers to what the association argues is the to the Deputy Leader of the National Party of 16 cost of a cat registration scheme. It claims it will cost March 1991 - I believe it should read 1992 - says: a minimum of $11.5 million. That is an extraordinary amowlt, but that is the claim made by the Re Companion Animals Bill association. The latter part of the letter provides some hope: Following extensive consultation with our members, I am able to advise the following policy of the Victorian The association is confident that, after discussions with Horse Council. the Cat Protection Society, a compromise solution could be agreed to without the need for compulsory cat 1. Horses should be removed from the Companion registration. The compromise would be an Animals Bill. identification system of cats. 2. A separate horse Act be drafted. The letter was written by Rob Barfus, Chief 3. An essential part of the horse Act be the Executive of the Municipal Association of Victoria. establishment of a central registry of all horses to be operated by the Victorian Horse Council. There is some room for further negotiation on the I am pleased to offer the full support and active Bill, and that is what honourable members must assistance of the horse industry via the Victorian Horse concentrate on. It is not appropriate simply to throw Council in achieving these aims. one's hands in the air and not do anything about the problem. That may have been what has happened The horse industry does not support the provision over the past decade or so. for horses. The Bill has largely been written to provide for dogs and cats. When dealing with the The coalition has adopted a responsible approach. registration of companion animal businesses, which My colleague, the honourable member for Mildura, largely relates to pet shops, catteries and boarding reminds me that we have sought a bipartisan places for dogs, the same provisions currently approach to solve this problem. This is not a political provide for horse agistment farms, riding schools Bill. It is not a Bill for political point scoring. It deals and myriad other horse industry businesses. The with a real problem facing the people of Victoria. In definition of "companion animal business" says: the spirit of bipartisanship, the coalition is prepared to work closely with the Minister and his officers to ... an enterprise that is run for profit - develop a compromise that works. I do not know how one defines "run for profit" - The best way we can achieve that goal is, firstly, for the Minister to withdraw the Bill. As the Minister which carries out all or any of the following activities - has proposed extensive amendments to the Bill, COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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(a) the selling or buying and selling of companion agistment farm operators and the riding sch~l animals ... operators - in the development of such a BIll. That important step forward has come out of discussion If a person sells a horse once every one, two or three over the past two months. years - as many people involved in pony ~lubs do - under the Bill the person must be regIstered. During discussions on the Bill, the coalition met The definition continues: with a wide range of groups. It met with the Bureau (b) the breeding of companion animals, where, in the of Animal Welfare, the Department of Food and case of cats and dogs, the enterprise includes three Agriculture, Petcare Information and Advisory fertile female animals of either or both species; Service, the RSPCA, the Permanent Animal Welfare Study Group (PAWS), the Cat Protection Society of There is no limit on the number of horses. If a person Victoria, the Mwucipal Association of Victoria, the owns a brood mare of a pony type or an Australian Australian Veterinary Association and Australia stock horse that foals every three or four years, New Zealand Federation of Animal Association, the under the Bill the person is involved in breeding and Victorian Calune Association, Cerberus, the Lost must be registered with the local cowlcil. Dogs Home and it also discussed ~e Bill.with a number of horse industry groups, mdudmg the Clearly the definition for "companion animal . Equestrian Federation of Australia, the Victorian business" does not fit the horse industry. That IS Horse Cowlcil and various breeding societies. why the provisions for horses must be omitted from the Bill. I am not suggesting the horse industry does On behalf of the coalition, I congratulate many of the not have problems that need to be add~essed b~ groups who have worked hard to present legislation. The Victorian Horse Coun~11 recogIused, submissions to the coalition and, no doubt, to the as we on this side of the House recogmse, tha t govemment. They have contributed Significantly to problems can occur in the agistment industry when this debate. I have already singled out Dr Peter an owner leaves a horse at an agistment farm after Penson and John McCrory from the department who paying for two or three weeks or longer and then I think have done an excellent job. fails to retum. What does the property owner do? He must continue feeding the animal but he does Now we must recogIuse that commW1ity debate has not know whether the owner has disappeared after been extremely fruitful during the past few months. dumping the animal on him. LegislatiOl~ is needed to The MiIuster introduced the Bill on the final day of provide protection for the owners of agIstment the last sessional period; that was done in a proper farms. and constructive way because obviously he wanted the Bill to come before Parliament and to be Similarly the Deparhnent of Food and Agriculture circulated widely. and the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) have been involved in cruelty I wrote to the editors of my local newspapers cases where there is a problem with the advising them that copies of the Bill were available identification of horses. Cases have occurred of and that submissions could be lodged through me to horses being agisted on properties on the periphery Parliament and, if thought appropriate, to the of Melboume. If there is evidence the horses have Minister. The Miruster provided a real focus for not been properly cared for because they are debate by introducing this Bill. suffering malnutrition the officers from the Department of Food and Agriculture or the RSPCA There has been widespread debate about the Bill in must find the owners of the animals to advise them the community. If he adopts the same positive on appropriate feeding schemes. attitude, the Minister must recognise that, following such commwuty debate, this Bill is fundamentally The identification of owners is an important issue flawed and has real problems. He should learn from that needs to be addressed in legislation on horses. that debate and say, 'We will withdraw the Bill and The horse industry must look at those problems. we will introduce a No. 2 Bill to incorporate what Those provisions do not belong in this Bill, which has become apparent from commuruty debate, and deals with dogs and cats. The horse industry wants particularly the views formulated positively by the to be involved at the ground floor in the coalition". development of such a Bill. I know the Minister and his officers will take those matters on board because I now refer to some of the coalition views. About one they know it is important to involve all aspects of week ago the coalition decided that all provisions the horse industry - that is the breeders, the COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

370 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 relating to horses should be removed from the Bill; sparsely-populated area. Everyone recognises that the Minister has agreed. That demonstrates that we dogs should be allowed to run on that beach. can work together. A number of provisions in this Bill regarding dogs The coalition has formed the view after wide should be rewritten although the fundamental consultation that the Bill should apply only to cats provisions are acceptable. Similarly, the provisions and dogs. At present clause 3 defines "companion about dangerous dogs are fwldamentally acceptable animal" as: although the wording in some provisions could be improved. We will be pleased to work with the ... any dog. cat, horse or any animal of a class or kind Minister on that aspect. which has been prescribed by the regulations to be a companion animal. The coalition recognises the need to address the issue of dangerous dogs because it was not That definition causes concem because of the adequately addressed in the Dog Act. The legislators uncertainty in the community about what it means have not fallen for the trap set by various people or about what the Minister may prescribe in future; some months ago of naming certain breeds. The the community is concemed about how the wording of the Bill deals with the actions of a dog, definition will affect councils, owners of animals, leading to the decision whereby it may be declared and others. The Bill should apply only to cats and dangerous; that is the appropriate way to proceed. dogs. Generally the coalition recognises that most of The coalition agrees with the provisions regarding the provisions relating to dogs are similar to what is dangerous dogs. already contained in the Dog Act. Although that Act has been around for about twenty years, it has been The coalition is concerned about Part 6 concerning generally accepted as being relatively successful in the establishment and management of the animal providing a means of controlling dogs. welfare fWld, and particularly the 5 per cent levy associated with the Animal Welfare Fund Not all cowlcils have the same level of Administration Board. The Municipal Association of implementation of the policing provisions in that Victoria is adamant that the 5 per cent tax on dog Act but that is not necessarily a bad thing. It may and cat registrations, as proposed in the Bill, should reflect the views of ratepayers who do not place not go into the fund because, the MAV argues - much emphasis on the control of dogs. For example, and to some extent it must be agreed - that the Bill the Shire of Glenelg may have a different view about has poorly delineated provisions about where the controlling dogs from the City of Werribee but only money shall be spent. The coalition, in company because they assume different roles in various with the Minister, will seek consultations about circumstances. changes to Part 6. The coalition does not support the concept involved in the operations of that board. The coalition generally supports the provisions in the Bill relating to dogs although we recognise that The coalition agrees in principle with the provisions there needs to be some drafting improvement regarding businesses associated with companion particularly to clause 22 - a problem already animals. It is difficult to have the legislation correct detected by the Minister. That clause refers to dogs in this respect because we are trying to prevent that may be found "on the premises of a school"; but particularly pups and kittens being abused in a good method of student education about care of substandard pet shops. "Pet shops" is a misnomer animals is through animals being brought to schools. because most pet shops are run in a proper and sound manner. But we are concerned about, for The clause also refers to dogs being found "on a example, markets and fetes where pups and kittens beach or within 500 metres of a beach". A great are often subjected to poor conditions: they may be pleasure for my family is to take our dog for a walk caged in extreme weather conditions, with a lack of along Bridgewater Bay, a large expanse of beach food and water. We are concerned about the near Portland. The residents of Portland recognise backyard industry where disease can be rife. A that dogs should be banned from the beach adjacent person may buy a dog only to find it later dies from to the city particularly because of concem about distemper. Speaking as a veterinarian, I know that is protection of penguin colonies and the possible a harrowing experience and I have seen it happen fouling of the beach. Bridgewater Bay is about 10 too often. We must control the businesses dealing in kilometres from Portland and is a companion animals although it is a difficult area to define adequately. I have already referred to major COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

Tuesday. 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 371 problems concerning this type of business because must ask whether annual compulsory registration is the words "run for profit" cause me concern. the way to go about it. Our discussions in the coalition have shown an alternative that is simple We need to work with the Minister on how we can and workable. The MA V has already said it is better define companion animal businesses. Dogs prepared to work with the Cat Protection Society. and cats should be sold basically, although not When debate on this subject first started the Cat entirely, through pet shops that are well managed. Protection Society was in one corner saying it They should not be sold at flea markets or SWlday wanted annual compulsory registration and the markets, which encourage impulse buying, but by MA V was in the other corner saying it would not responsible people who can impart to the new have a bar of it. They are now working together on owners instructions about how animals are to be fed, the idea of an identification system being the key to watered and looked after, the responsibilities of pet moving forward on this problem. ownership with regard to registration for dogs and identification for cats, and their responsibilities to The coalition does not support the provision relating the general community in a social sense. Proper to cat registration. An altenlative system where cat codes of practice should be developed for owners could voluntarily identify their animals companion animal businesses. using either of two systems is the way to go. The first system is a microchip. For all its knockers it is Similarly, Part 5 relating to the boarding and an extremely effective identification system. agistment of companion animals applies to boarding kennels for dogs and catteries for cats. In general we It involves the use of voluntary identification. The agree with the fwldamental principles of that part of most effective identification system is the microchip. the Bill. It addresses issues of concern to people, It is simple to apply and cannot be tampered with. It especially the owners of businesses who often get gives permanent identification for the life of the people dumping dogs or cats on them as a back door animal and guarantees that if the animal strays and way of disposing of wlwanted animals. An owner is caught by a local council or an animal welfare may take an animal to a kennel or cattery and pay society it can be scanned and returned to its owner. for board for a week or two and then disappear, It is a foolproof and permanent system of never to be seen again. That leaves the owner of the identification. It is not as expensive as some people cattery in a dilemma. Provision should be given to would believe. If microchips are used in large the owners of kennels and catteries to take numbers for animals they can be reduced to $7 or $9 appropriate action. a chip or even cheaper. It is not expensive given that the initial cost of purchasing some cats or dogs can The more vexing question relates to cat registration. be several hWldred dollars. The cost of spaying Clause 5 requires that dogs and cats over six months animals is between $80 and $100 and veterinary of age must be registered with local cowlcils. That treatment could cost $50 to $100 a year. The cost of will cause difficulties for the conunwlity and great food is about 80 cents to $1 a day. A microchip at $20 concern for pet owners. Of special concern to to $30 would still be cheap for the life of a cat which disadvantaged groups, pensioners and other low might be anything from eight years to twenty years. income groups is the cost of that registration. It also It is an effective system. causes concern for people involved in cat breeding and in cat businesses. They are concerned about It is a pity the Bill precludes microchips from being registration on an annual basis, the fees that will used. Clause 17 of the Bill states: apply and how it will work. (1) The Council must - The Municipal Association of Victoria estimates that (a) allocate a registration number to every animal implementation of this would cost $11.55 million. It which is registered; and is concerned about the purpose of the registration (b) give or send to the owner a registration and what will happen next. COW1cils argue that it certificate in the form fixed by the Council; and will need to be policed, therefore extra officers will be needed, and a whole new bureaucracy will be (c) issue to the owner of a registered cat or a created; it would be using a sledge-hammer to crack registered dog, an identification marker which a nut. is marked with the name of the Council, the registration number of the animal and the The fwldamental issues are stray dogs and cats and year of registration. the promotion of responsible pet ownership. We COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

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The name of the council and the year of registration councils the right to round up and destroy cannot be incorporated in a microchip. Microchips unidentified animals. are the proper way to go and should not be a secondary form of identification. In practical terms the concept would not work in a draconian manner. Some people have expressed I understand some people are concemed about the concern that there will be an wlfettered rounding up cost of microchips. The coalition has suggested an and slaughtering of unidentified cats. I suggest effective altemative: the use of a collar and tag with councils would not act irresponsibly. If feral or stray the name and address of the owner on the tag. The cats were brought to the attention of council staff or owner buys a collar and tag for the animal for a councillors, all responsible cowlcils would take the couple of dollars and that acts as an effective following approach. identification system. There is concem about collars and tags for cats. My own cat can remove very Several months prior to the program being quickly the patented Lost Dogs Home collar and tag. implemented a council would advertise in the Collars are not a perfect system because they can be municipality that as at 1 July 1992 a cat trapping tampered with by an owner. People want a cheap program would be introduced and that any cats system and the coalition has suggested that an trapped would be checked for identification and, if identification system could be based on either the wudentified, destroyed. Residents would be advised microchip or the collar and tag. People would then by the council through the local media or by letter have a choice of how they identify their animals. drop that responsible animal owners could identify their animals using a microchip or tag and collar There should be an identification system that gives system so that their cats would not be caught and councils the right to deal with the stray cat problem destroyed. by allowing them to catch and destroy cats that are not identified. If a cat is caught and identified it This cheap, effective mechanism allows for councils would be let go immediately or returned to its to deal with the stray cat and dog problem. It also owner. I suggest most councils would return a cat to passes the other tests that I outlined earlier for any its owner. It is the owner's responsibility to look companion legislation. I suggest it would have the after and identify the cat so that it will not be support, as indicated in preliminary discussions, of destroyed if it strays. If the animal is not identified it alumal welfare groups such as the Cat Protection could be destroyed immediately. Cowlcils would Society of Victoria, the Municipal Association of not have the high cost of powlds and shelters. Victoria, which is essential for the Bill to succeed, According to the Lost Dogs Home, the average and responsible pet owners. They are the essential pound cost for a cat is $30 a day. That is a Significant components for effective legislation. cost for animal shelters and councils. It is one reason why they say they cannot be involved in the The coalition has spent considerable time positively rounding up of cats. tackling the issue of companion animals. The Minister for Food and Agriculture provided a lead The coalition is proposing a system that provides a for commwuty discussion by tabling the Bill in cheap, effective, protective mechanism for November last year. He gave members of the responsible cat owners based on identification only. community the opportunity of examining the Bill, It gives councils, local government agencies and debating it, and putting their views to the animal welfare societies the legal right to catch and govenunent, the opposition and individual destroy unowned and unidentified stray and feral members of Parliament, as well as airing them cats. The system gives cats the legal status the publicly. animal welfare societies require. It gives local authorities the legal right to deal with the stray cat The community has taken up the offer of the problem. It also provides protection for responsible Minister for Food and Agriculture and put forward ca t owners: they can take action to protect their cats views on the Companion Animals Bill. It is and ensure that the cats are returned if they stray. incumbent upon us as parliamentarians to listen to the views of members of the community and That concept is fundamentally the same as the representative groups when they tell us how the Bill principle adopted in the Social Development can be improved. Already amendments are coming Committee's report. The report basically forward from the government and consensus has recommended the same principle of putting the been reached across the table on taking horses out of onus on the owner to identify the animal and giving the Bill. Further bipartisan work can be undertaken COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 373 on the Bill and further consensus can be reached so animal businesses. As I said, it would be difficult to that the proposed legislation will be workable and argue against any of those aims. effective, and will properly deal with the problem of stray cats and dogs. That problem, particularly in The only point I make is that it is a pity the Bill does respect of stray cats, has not been tackled by nothing to achieve its express aims. The Bill is wide govenunents over a number of years. of the mark. As the honourable member for Portland said, the Bill is a badly drafted piece of legislation. I hope the Minister for Food and Agriculture will accept the positive offer made by the coalition to I refer to just some of the issues that arise from the work with officers of his department to develop Bill. The Companion Animals Bill manages to be a proposed legislation that will be workable and Bill that reflects all care and no responsibility. What effective. I suggest the best way that could be done the govenunent has said is, "Here is a piece of would be by introduction of another Bill, rather than legislation to deal with companion animals; we will through an attempt to amend the current measure. handball the entire responsibility for it to local Such an attempt would be fraught with danger govenunent". Unlike many individuals and because hWldreds of amendments would be needed organisations in this State, members of local to be made to this complex Bill. govemment have had a chance to consider the Bill and to a council they have rejected the proposed The shadow Minister for Food and Agriculture and legislation. other members of the committee who have considered the Bill will be happy to work in a The MOmington Shire Council in my electorate has bipartisan manner on the development of an written to me and I think its letter encapsulates the appropriate measure. views of all cowlcils in this State. It has said that when it considered the Companion Animals Bill at Mr COOPER (Momington) - Along with most its meeting it resolved as follows: other members of the House, I have been buried 1. That the Minister for Agriculture be aware of under representations from constituents in respect of council's: the Companion Animals Bill. The honourable member for Lowan said that as far as he can 1.1 opposition to the Bill as a whole especially remember he has had more representations on the having regard for inadequate and Bill than on any other piece of proposed legislation. I unsatisfactory provisions relating to cats; and have had a similar experience. Many people have 1.2 opposition to the establishment of an Animal made contact with me about the measure. They Welfare Fund and the requirement for local welcome the initiative of the opposition in being government to make payments into such a able to persuade the govemment to remove horses fund. from coverage under the Companion Animals Bill. Certainly the horse-owning fratemity in my That view is held by virtually all councils in this electorate welcomed the alUlOWlcement a week ago State. Certainly the ones that have corresponded that the opposition would use its numbers in the with me have that view, and I can well understand it Upper House to remove horses from the Bill if the because they are seeing this govemment attempting govemment would not agree to do so. Horses will to pass over to them a piece of legislation that will be now be covered by a separate piece of legislation impossible to implement and police and will rather than being treated as some kind of honorary therefore bring the councils into disrepute rather dogs. than this govemment.

The aims of the Bill are probably a motherhood Surely if the govemment wishes to get some sort of statement; nobody could disagree with them. As the kudos for dealing with the problems relating to honourable member for Lowan said, the aims of the companion animals it should be prepared to be Bill are, firstly, to promote respon,sible ownership of accowltable. This Bill shifts the accountability across companion animals; secondly, to promote and to cowlcils. Of course that is to the govemment's protect the welfare of companion animals; thirdly, to benefit because it knows that the Bill it has produced reduce the overbreeding of certain species of is a little bit of window-dressing prior to the coming companion animals; fourthly, to reduce the nuisance State election, so that it will be able to go off to the caused by companion animals and the destruction of lobby groups that have been leaning all over it and flora and fauna; and fifthly, to regulate companion say, 'We have done our job. The fact that it is not COMPANION ANIMALS BILL

374 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 working is not our responsibility; it is the Whatever happened to that commitment to the responsibility of the municipalities around the State". promotion of responsible ownership made by the govenunent in November 1989? We saw the To their credit, the councils have not swallowed the beginning of it last year and then it just faded out. bait and have not allowed themselves to be conned Like so much of this government's work it just into supporting the Bill. They have made it quite disintegrated into nothing. clear to the Minister and the government that they do not accept this Bill as being fair and reasonable. I say to the government that if it is going to do something about responsible companion animal I say to the Minister and the government that they ownership in this State it should take a leaf out of have started from the wrong end. They should have the book of the work that has been done in regard to started with education rather than legislation and road laws and road trauma. In that case we had the fact that they have not done so is to their etemal piece after piece of legislation that had a somewhat discredit. minor effect but did not have a major effect. It was only when a major education program and major About a year ago the Minister for Agriculture, as he advertising programs on road trauma were was then called, and his department commenced an commenced that we started to see a major effect on education program on the care of companion road trauma. animals. But whatever happened to it? All members of Parliament had boxes of brochures sent to them Why is it that the government cannot understand for distribution throughout their electorates. that is the way to go with companion animals as Competitions were run among schoolchildren well? You camlot legislate for the idiots in society. throughout the State. In fact, a little girl who lives in Legislation such as the Bill before the House tonight Bittem, which is in my electorate, won a competition will impact only upon the law-abiding and and I had the pleasure of presenting her with a $50 reasonable pet owners. The morons who own pets cheque for her entry on how to care for horses. but who do not look after them and who are creating Whatever happened to that education program? We the problems will not pay any attention to it. They have heard nothing about it since. need to be educated into understanding that owning a pet does not stop with paying the initial price for While going through my files I was interested to it. Their responsibilities go well beyond that. This come across the govemment's response to the Social legislation does nothing to address that issue. It will Development Committee's report on the role and simply create a piece of unenforceable law. welfare of companion animals in society. That response is dated November 1989 and pOint No. 7 I have a number of concems about the Bill, and one deals with the promotion of responsible ownership relates to the massive amount of amendments I and states: understand from the shadow Minister for agriculture that the govenunent proposes to bring to The government believes that the introduction of an its own piece of legislation. effective community education program will greatly enhance the promotion of responsible ownership of Mr Bildstien - There are 80! companion animals. Mr COOPER - Eighty amendments! If ever The community education program is to be a major there were an indictment of this government that is initiative by this government in the area of animal it, if it can introduce a piece of legislation and bring welfare and shall be conducted in consultation with in 80 amendments to it a few months later. animal welfare societies, the veterinary profession, adult education institutions, and companion animal I wish to address a few of the problems because breeders and clubs. there has been a great deal of talk about the Bill and I think it is important that people start to understand The government supports the recommendation of the that these issues go well beyond some of the matters Social Development Committee -- that have been published in newspapers in recent times. I draw the Minister's attention to clause 22 of That will come as some news to the committee! the Bill which refers to dogs found in particular places. The Minister would have us believe that this ... that these programs should be coordinated to achieve is a translation into the Companion Animals Bill of a the promotion of responsible ownership. part of the Dog Act. Anyone who believes that has ADJOURNMENT

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 375 not read the Dog Act properly and does not his remarks when this question is next before the understand the language in the Companion Animals House. Bill. Clause 22(1) states: Debate interrupted. If a dog is found ... ADJOURNMENT It does not mention a dog being found at large. When one looks up the word "found" in the The SPEAKER - Order! The question is: dictionary one is referred to the word "find", which is defined as "becoming aware of". That the House do now adjourn.

Becoming aware of a dog is very different from Application for liquor licence finding a dog roaming at large. A by-laws officer of a mWlicipality can become aware of a dog even if it Mr BILDSTIEN (Mildura) - I raise an urgent is on the end of a leash. That is the first important matter for the attention of the Attorney-General point to make with respect to clause 22. concerning costs awarded by the Supreme Court against a small business operator as a result of '1f a dog is found" means that a dog may be found actions taken by the Liquor Licensing Commission. on a lead or off a lead. The clause goes on to say: ApprOximately three years ago a Mildura company (1) If a dog is found-- called Warden Holdings Pty Ltd applied to the (a) on the premises of a school; or... Liquor Licensing Commission for a packaged liquor licence at premises at 206 Deakin Avenue, Mildura. (c) in or about a shopping area specified by an order of On 2 August 1990 Commissioner Ryan, after first a Council; having refused an application from Warden (d) in or about a railway station specified by an order of Holdings, exercised his discretionary powers under a Council; or section 62 of the Liquor Control Act 1987 and proceeded to hear a second appiication. (e) on a beach or within 500 metres of a beach specified by an order of a Council at a time specified in the An objector to the application, S. E. Dickens Pty Ltd, order. successfully gained an injunction stopping the Basically that means that dogs in many areas of hearing when it claimed that the Liquor Licensing Victoria may not be walked through a shopping Commission had made an error of law and had centre because a dog can be found on the end of a denied S. E. Dickens Pty Ltd natural justice at the lead. A dog may not be fOWld on the premises of a time of the granting of the section 62 consent. On school, regardless of whether the school is in session. 9 August in the Supreme Court Mr Justice Brooking That means that for 24 hours of the day, 365 days of ruled in favour of the objector and awarded costs the year, no dog may go onto school growlds. against Warden Holdings Pty Ltd. Clearly there are times when dogs should be able to go on school grounds. They should be able to be I suggest to the Attorney-General, through you, taken there for training purposes. However, the Bill Mr Speaker, that, if Commissioner Ryan erred in prohibits dogs from being found on school premises proceeding with the second hearing under at any time. section 62, that was hardly the fault of the applicant. I point out to the Attorney-General that in a decision What about taking dogs to school grounds for handed down on 5 March this year the full Liquor exercise or training after school hours? That is also Licensing Commission granted the application for a prohibited. It is a ridiculous confinement, and not a packaged liquor outlet at 206 Deakin Avenue, true translation of the Dog Act into the Companion Mildura. S. E. Dickens Pty Ltd is now actively Animals Bill. pursuing costs totalling $18 000 from Warden Holdings Pty Ltd as per the order of Mr Justice I take particular umbrage at clause 22(1)(e), which Brooking. talks about a dog being found -- Legal representatives for Warden Holdings Pty Ltd The SPEAKER - Order! The time appOinted by have described the claim for costs as outrageous. Sessional Orders for me to interrupt business has The only reason the matter went before the Supreme now arrived. The honourable member may continue Court was as a result of the conduct of the Liquor ADJOURNMENT

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Licensing Commission. Warden Holdings Pty Ltd is classrooms, has not been completed even though it a small family company in Mildura and it should not is urgently needed. be penalised to the tw1e of $18 000 because of an error made by the commission. The school is supported by a very enthusiastic group of parents, whom I congratulate for their support for I put it to the Attorney-General that the government their children and for their persistence in pursuing should examine this matter seriously, particularly the redevelopment, particularly the redevelopment now that Warden Holdings Pty Ltd has obtained a of the toilets. licence following the favourable decision from the full commission. The Labor candidate for Wantirna, Peter Lockwood, has pursued the issue with vigour and enthusiasm. Wantima Primary School He was doing so well before the honourable member for Forest Hill took up the issue, despite his having Mrs HIRSH (Wantirna) - I wish to raise again a represented the area for seven years. matter I have raised previously concerning the need for the completion of the redevelopment of Wantirna Mr GUDE (Hawthorn) - On a point of order, Primary School. You may well ask-- Mr Speaker, the honourable member for Wantirna has been a member of this House for long enough to The SPEAKER -Order! Would the honourable be aware of the procedures of the House. member please name the Minister to whom she is making representations? Mr Micallef interjected.

Mrs HIRSH - It is the Minister for School Mr GUDE - On an occasion -- Education. I wlderstand he is on his way here; I am certain he will be listening in his office as he is very Mr Micallef interjected. concerned with schools in the area. In fact the Minister is now present, so he can listen to my Mr GUDE - Are you ready? representations. The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable You may ask, Mr Speaker, why I continue to raise member for Hawthorn will ignore interjections. this matter concerning Wantirna Primary School when that school is in the electorate of Forest Hill, Mr GUDE - Only last week, Mr Speaker, you represented by Mr Richardson, who has been the had cause to direct to the attention -- local member for Forest Hill since 1985. I keep raising this matter because the honourable member Mr Micallef interjected. for Forest Hill took an interest in the Wantirna Primary School for the first time on Mr GUDE - I beg your pardon? 11 March 1992 - this year! The honourable member was not aware of the fact that the school The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable needed-- member for Springvale is out of order and out of his place. I ask him to remain silent. The SPEAKER - Order! I suggest to the honourable member that she not reflect on another Mr GUDE - Only last week, Mr Speaker, you honourable member but continue with her remarks had occasion to draw a similar matter to the on the issue. attention of another honourable member. Already tonight you have drawn to the attention of the Mrs HIRSH - The parents at the school feel honourable member for Wantima the fact that she is Wlrepresented because of the total neglect of the seat out of order in casting aspersions on another of Forest Hill, which is why they have called on me member of the House. Since doing so, on two for help with the school's redevelopment. occasions --

Stage 1 of the redevelopment was successfully Mr Pope interjected. completed in the 1989-90 school year. However, stage 2, which includes a very important toilet block Mr GUDE - Don't threaten me! I have been and which is intended to meet the need for adequate listening intently to the honourable member's remarks; and on two occasions she has cast ADJOURNMENT

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 377 aspersions on another member. I ask you to ask her into honourable members' time and their ability to to withdraw those remarks. raise issues.

Mrs HIRSH (Wantima) - On the point of order, The SPEAKER - Order! There is no point of Mr Speaker, I am trying to raise an issue of concem order. to constituents who feel they have not been properly represented. I demand the right to be heard on the Watare Pty Ltd need for classrooms and toilets at the Wantima Primary School. Mr HEFFERNAN (Ivanhoe) - I direct to the attention of the Minister for Consumer Affairs in the My time and the time of the constituents of other place, through the Minister for Community Wantima is being wasted by the Deputy Leader of Services, a matter regarding a company operated by the Opposition, and his actions are not in the Mr Les Suli, a director of Watare Pty Ltd, the holder interests of the people of this State and those of my of a packaged liquor licence No. 32007862. electorate. The adjoumment debate is one of the few occasions we have to raise such matters. Mr Suli is in the same posi tion as many businesses within the State - he has a precarious cash flow The SPEAKER - Order! On the point of order! problem and may have to close up his business. I have been advised by Mr Suli that he purchased a Mrs HIRSH - We have the right in this place to business in early 1991, and, of course, as part of the represent our constituents as best we can; and the purchase of that business, certain undertakings were adjoununent debate is one of the few times we have given concerning the supply of liquor and the to do so. accompanying fee that would be payable to the Liquor Licensing Commission. The point of order has been inappropriately raised to waste time and to prevent me from being heard It now comes to bear that the previous owner and from representing my constituents and the misrepresented to the vendor certain information constituents of Forest Hill- which, too, is regarding the wholesale selling of liquor at the necessary. I find that totany inappropriate. It is not premises, and that matter is now the subject of legal fair! action between Mr Suli and the previous owner of the business. The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable member for Wantima has made her comments on Mr Suli wrote to the Liquor Licensing Commission the point of order. I uphold the point of order. The conceming the problem of being assessed on a honourable member may not use such an occasion licence fee that does not reach anywhere near the to reflect on the conduct and level of representation liquor sales he is now conducting from that of another honourable member. business. He is experiencing extreme difficulty in meeting the fees the commission is now imposing on As regards her suggestion that, by his actions, the him. Deputy Leader of the Opposition may have eroded her time, that matter has been addressed in the He wrote to the Department of the Premier and report of the Standing Orders Committee to which Cabinet; two months later, in November 1991, he the House will address itself in due course. again wrote regarding the issue because he still had not received a reply from the Premier's office. Mr MICALLEF (Springvale) - On a further point of order, Mr Speaker, regardless of whether the issue After a considerable wait he was advised by the is being addressed by the Standing Orders Department of the Premier and Cabinet, on 23 Committee, the fact is it was a deliberate ploy to December, that the letter he wrote had been waste time. misplaced and generally lost through the system so tha t somehow no action had been taken. If an honourable member has a point of order to raise, there is plenty of precedent in this place - and The letter states: I am one who has been subjected to that precedent - for being made to come to the point Accordingly, I have forwarded your letter to the straight away. It is a farce to allow people to misuse Ministry of Consumer Affairs ... a point of order to the extent that they are cutting ADJOURNMENT

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Mr Suli has received no satisfaction. It is nearly the his own son in the class with him throughout the end of March and he stands the chance of being sold afternoon. up, all because he cannot obtain support from the government for what is happening. The Orrvale Primary School has an integrated child who needs physiotherapy but the school does not On 20 January I wrote to the Minister and I also have have the facilities for physiotherapy treatment for had no reply. Total frustration has set in for both of the child, consequently, physiotherapy is given in us. Are we going to send this person to the wall and the general school area. The child yells so much bankrupt him or will the government examine the during the treatment that it disrupts the school. Two situation and have enough sympathy to allow him groups of children are taken out of their classes into to keep operating? the playground while the child is given physiotherapy. There are no toilet facilities for the This is an opportwlity for both the government and disabled child and he is changed on the concrete the commission to be sympathetic because in the floor of the toilet. long term he can meet his commitments, pay the costs and, in turn, the government and the Parents have contacted me about the reduction in community will benefit. I ask the Minister in another fwlding for integration aides. They believe their place to treat this matter urgently, so that I may children have been disadvantaged because, after receive a reply for Mr Suli, and so that he knows having had the full-time assistance of integration exactly where he stands. aides the previous year, they now find that their children are lacking support. It is an urgent matter - another cry for help from the small business sector in this bad economic I call on the Minister to investigate this issue to see climate. whether the integration of handicapped children is being properly resourced. Integration aides Community Services Victoria Mr KILGOUR (Shepparton) - I direct to the attention of the Minister for School Education the Mr5 RAY (Box Hill) - I direct to the attention of integration of handicapped children into normal the Mhlister for Community Services the need for schools rather than placing them in special schools. support for residential clients of Community The integration program was fWUling reasonably Services Victoria. With the progreSSive closure of smoothly, but this year, with the reduction in institutions problems have emerged in residential fwlding, tremendous problems have arisen, units with the safety and isolation of staff, particularly in primary schools. particularly at night. Often there is only one staff member on active duty, and a student dealing with The reduction in fwlding has meant that the number the challenging behaviour of a child may need of hours worked by integration aides has been back-up support. The new settings are throwing this reduced, which is placing increased pressure on into focus. teachers, principals, parents and, of course, the handicapped children themselves. A student at the The new model, which I support very Mooroopna Primary School, who requires the enthUSiastically, presents this problem for night assistance of a full-time aide, is supplied with an staff, particularly with people who are housed and aide for only 20.15 hours a week. The student is not who present with challenging behaviour. Small mobile, walks on a frame and needs to be assisted community units, because they are separate from the throughout the day. The father of the student is a network of staff, have a sense of increased teacher at the same school. vulnerability and isolation. To address this issue mobile support teams have been established in inner I was at a meeting at Mooroopna when the father of urban areas, but they currently service only children that child walked out in disgust because he was told and residential units. From other work I do with he had to have the child in his own class, class 6, intellectually disadvantaged people, I am aware that throughout the Friday afternoon of each week, this resource would be greatly valued by staff at because no teacher's aide was available. This put community residential units. considerable pressure on him and on his class. He was concerned that he was not able to give the time We are now facing a time of accelerated required to his class because he was forced to have deinstitutionalisation with the intellectually ADJOURNMENT

Tuesday, 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 379 disabled. The clients from Caloola Training Centre satisfaction in the debate that followed. The Premier for intellectually disabled people are being did not even speak during the debate. Apparently relocated, with at least half of them going into she did not believe it necessary. commwuty settings. A team is required which can respond quickly to serious incidents in residential The Treasurer wasted his time by saying it was the settings. job of the opposition to deliver policies. He made two comments: firstly, that the government had I wlderstand the team visits during the night to spoken with the Federal government and requested provide reassuring contact in what can be a lonely certain action to be taken; and, secondly, he attacked shift. It also responds quickly to emergencies of the opposition. That is not what the debate should which it is notified. have been about.

The mobile support team has proved a great success The question still facing the government is: from in its work with youth and children's residential where will the jobs come? Recently the Treasurer wuts and I ask the Minister to consider extending referred to the need to further educate young that form of support to the residential WlitS housing people. However, where will the jobs come from to clients with intellectual disabilities. employ them? For the first time in decades vast numbers of qualified young people are looking for Youth unemployment in Dandenong work. Although it must be done, the training of more young people will not solve the problem. Dr WELLS (Dromana) - I direct to the attention of the Premier youth unemployment in Dandenong The Prime Minister has said he expects to create and the five surrowlding mwucipalities of 800000 jobs during the next year and the State Springvale, Dandenong, Cranbourne, Berwick and government has claimed that 80 000 of those jobs Pakenham. The official wlemployment figures will be in Victoria. How does that fit in with the fact released in the past week show that one young that 25 per cent of the nation's unemployed people person in every two is wlemployed. In some areas in are in Victoria? Why is Victoria getting only Dandenong youth wlemployment is as high as 10 per cent of the jobs to be created? 70 per cent. During the 1982-83 recession employment The Premier recently went to Dandenong with opportwuties were increased by 100 000 jobs but this several of her MiIusters supposedly to inquire about time around they are to be increased by 800 000. The the situation. She held her meetings behind closed people of Victoria and Australia are consistently doors and nothing was said to the public. At the end doubting the bona fides and integrity of socialist of the exercise the Premier went away offering governments that pull figures out of the air. $50 000 for an inquiry into the causes of wlemployment in the area. That was an insult to the I ask the Premier three questions and request that people of that great manufacturing area. she provide the answers to them tomorrow: firstly, what specifically does the Premier intend to do over Recently there was held in Dandenong Town Hall a the next twelve months to create jobs for youths in public meeting to allow citizens to have their say. Dandenong and the five surrounding rnwlicipalities Some 400 people attended and they demonstrated of Springvale, Dandenong, Berwick, Cranbourne absolutely and irrefutably that the average citizen is and Pakenham? entirely dependent upon the government for the major control of the economy. They illustrated by Secondly, what is the Premier going to do to get their suffering the degree to which they have been small business going in this area? Thirdly, and failed by the Victorian government. specifically, how many youth jobs will she create in these five shires during the next twelve months? The Those comments should have been enough to have people are entitled to a specific reply and not a forewarned the government to take action or at least program of obfuscation. to clarify its thinking. During last Thursday's debate in this Chamber on youth unemployment, the Mrs HIRSH (Wantirna) - On a point of order, government had the opportwlity of outlining its the honourable member for Dromana appears to be policies to overcome the greatest political cause of reading from a document or quoting from it. I ask suffering for perhaps the past 60 years. However, that he make the document available to the House. the govenlffient was not ready and there was no ADJOURNMENT

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The SPEAKER - Order! Is the honourable Mr SEITZ (Keilor) - The matter I address to the member for Dromana prepared to make the attention of the Minister for -- document available to the House? The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable Dr WELLS (Dromana) - These are notes. I could member's time has expired. not get as many words as I have spoken on two pages but I am delighted to make those notes Responses available to the honourable member for Wantima. Mr POPE (Minister for School Education) - The Chilwell Primary School honourable member for Wantirna raised with me an issue about the problems with the toilet block and a Mr SHELL (Geelong) - I direct to the attention staged process for change at Wantirna Primary of the Minister for School Education the obsolete School. The honourable member highlighted the fact toilet block at Chilwell Primary School. The toilets that the problems have been brought to her notice on are obsolete and offend against health and safety numerous occasions; and that they have been regulations. It is necessary that something be done brought to the attention of the honourable member about them. In the boys' toilet the flushers are placed for Forest Hill on numerous occasions. so high tha t a small child cannot reach them. The odour emanating from those toilets is such that it As the honourable member noted, the honourable prevents young children entering them - or at least member for Forest Hill until recently has not they are reluctant to go there. The building material addressed that issue in any way. She quoted from used in the toilets is absorbent and it is difficult for his letter dated last March - yet he has been the the cleaner to clean them. Beside the urinal the steps local member since 1985! I share the concern of the are so slippery that a child could fall and, if the child honourable member for Wantirna but that concern injured himself to the extent that his skin was broken has not been shared over recent years, unfortunately, and became infected, the school and the Department by the honourable member for Forest Hill. of School Education would probably be liable for those consequences. I congratulate the honourable member for raising this matter. I appreciate that the school is not within The closets are narrow and confined so that it her electorate but is a matter of concern that she has becomes difficult for either boys or girls to enter for schoolchildren within the outer eastern suburbs them. There is no intemallighting and so it is generally. The problem at the school has recently difficult for the children to see. No access is available been highlighted by the honourable member for for disabled children. One of the closets is wide Wantima and others involved with the school. enough to take a wheelchair but it could not traverse Something has to be done about the toilet block and the corridor because it is too narrow. The toilet block the classroom facilities. is completely outdated. A commitment has been made and, in accordance Children have had health problems because of their with the commitment made by me, the government reluctance to enter the toilets. It might be suggested will put $200 000 into a toilet block and classroom that the block needs complete renovation but I facilities at that school. That will occur in the 1992-93 believe that is out of the question. The toilets need to financial year, as the school has already been told. It be demolished and a new block constructed with a is wlfortunate that the situation has reached this covered walkway from the school buildings so that stage and that there has been some the children are not exposed to the elements. misunderstanding about what should have happened at the stage 1 or stage 2 development at The washbasins are far from adequa te. There is no the school. soap provided for children to wash their hands. This counters what we are trying to teach children about I give that strong commitment to the honourable personal hygiene. member and thank her for raising the matter tonight. I emphasise that $200 000 will be made available for I ask the Minister to examine the matter with a view that toilet block and classrooms at Wantirna Primary to replacing the toilet block with a modem facility. School.

The SPEAKER - Order! The honourable The honourable member for Shepparton raised the member for Keilor has approximately 5 seconds. issue of integration. I take on board the specific ADJOURNMENT

Tuesday. 24 March 1992 ASSEMBLY 381 matters he has raised, but obviously I would like to The honourable member for Shepparton has raised a comment on the more general issue of integration. I specific issue which I take on board and I shall see take it from what the honourable member has said what we can do with respect to that issue. As I said that he is supportive of the integration process - I the other day in this House the honourable member think he has nodded his head in affirmation. for Shepparton, unlike the honourable member for Syndal-- I deem it possible that most honourable members opposite are supportive of the integration process Mr Coleman interjected. because they write to me daily requesting resources. Let us get it straight about what the resources Mr POPE - Unlike the loudmouth from Syndal, should be! the honourable member for Shepparton has been constructive. I shall look at the specific issue he has The loudmouths like the honourable member for raised and see what we can do. Unlike what the Syndal go on about resources. There was no honourable member for Syndal has been saying integration resource under your administration! about the issue, we have not decreased the Before 1982 your administration gave not $1 integration budget. During a time of restriction and towards integration, so don't come the pious contraction within the Budget we have actually attitude on integration! Don't come on with that increased the integration budget. It has been pious attitude! Every one of you writes to me about increased during a time of dire need with respect to integration -- the way we are looking after the finances. More than $40 million has been put into the integration process. The SPEAKER - Order! Through the Chair! If there is a specific issue the honourable member for Shepparton has, I shall look at it and see what we Mr POPE - You ask for more resources but year can do. after year the issue arises. There was not $1 spent in 1983; and $500000 was put into integration in 1984. The honourable member for Geelong raised an issue with respect to the Chilwell Primary School. He In excess of $40 million is being given to the gave me some documentation earlier in the day. I integration process. I do not deny that the demand am getting a report on that issue and shall see what I for integration exceeds the supply. can do.

The honourable member for Syndallaughs. He was Mrs SETCHES (Minister for Community a member of this place when not one single dollar Services) - The honourable member for Box Hill was given wlder the previous administration, yet raised the need for a mobile team to support the opposition has this pious attitude on integration residential care services for residents who are and has the absolute gall to talk about what we are intellectually disabled. She cited the establishment of not doing in the integration process. In excess of the mobile team that has been praised in inner urban $40 million is now going into it. In excess of 5000 areas. At the moment it is supporting three students with disabilities are being covered by the residential units that are caring for young people. integration process in the school system. We are assessing the use of this mobile team, which That is at a time when we have this pious attitude, has been available at night to assist the staff not only from people opposite, but also from other ovenlight where serious incidents arise and children people within the education commwlity about the or young people have been disturbed or have caused issue of special aid. We should get that straight, too. a commotion. It seems to be working well. I have We have increased funding for special education asked the department to consider extending this from $40 million to $97 million at the same time as model to cover community residential units for the number of school-age children in special people with intellectual disabilities. This is education has dropped dramatically by some 43 per especially important as a means of supporting staff cent, but we are still putting the money into special and clients who are being located in the community education, as we have done with integration. through the closure of Caloola. When we find a Honourable members opposite come up with good initiative such as this we really must ensure carping attitudes about integration, but ask them that it is looked at to see where else it can be applied. what they did. Nothing! The honourable member for Mildura raised a matter for the attention of the Attorney-General regarding ADJOURNMENT

382 ASSEMBLY Tuesday, 24 March 1992 costs awarded to a constituent through the Supreme The honourable member for Dromana raised the Court. I shall ensure that that matter is raised with issue of unemployment in Dandenong for the him. attention of the Premier. The Premier will tomorrow be releasing a jobs statement that will contain The honourable member for Ivanhoe raised for the matters in which the honourable member will be Minister for Consumer Affairs in another place a interested. matter relating to small business and liquor licensing and it related specifically to Watare Pty Ltd and its House adjourned 11.40 p.m. economic situation. I shall refer that matter to the Minister in another place.