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So, I request the Central Government to take Parliament. I understand the feellngs of the Members immediate steps to remove these difficulties and of Parliament. I am also a Member of Parliament, I develop Kanyakumari into a place of national and have a constituency like you. Therefore, I do international tourist attraction by the implementation understand that. Whatever matters have been of a master plan. referred to, I assure you.. (Interruptions) 11.32 hrr. SHRl : I am not on a constituency matter, 1 am on a national matter '.,OTION OF CONFIDENCE IN THE COUNCIL ...(Interruptions) 1 have no1 moved any motion. I am OF MINISTERS on a national matter...( lnferruptlons) [Transla tion] [English] SHRI (Lucknow) : You THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI H.D. DEVE should 'not stand when Mr. Speaker is on his legs. GOWDA) : Sir, I beg to move : 'That this House expresses its confidence [Eng lish]

, . in the Council of Ministers" MR. SPEAKER : It is not that Mr. George. I am MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : not saying that all matters relate to the respective constltuencies of the Members of Parliament. There . 'That this House expresses its confidence are other matters which can be discussed in the in the Council of Ministers." debate. The time allotted for this debate is seven (Interruptions) hours. SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES : It is a national [Transla tion] matter with international ramifications where the Interpol Is concerned. We want the House to discuss SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES (Nalanda) : Mr. this. Thls House will adjourn tomorrow. When will , Speaker, Sir, this is not the way to run the House we discuss this? ...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Mr. George, you are not SHRl RAJENDRA AGNlHOTRl (Jhansi) : Mr. supposed to stand up when I am standing. You know Speaker, Sir, this issue relates to corruption. You that much very well. should not try to suppres it ...(Interruptions) SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES : I apologise. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES : You can ask me MR. SPEAKER : Okay. What I am saying is that what I want to say. I would ltke.to raise here certain other matters can be brought in during the debate points.. .(Interruptions). on the Confidence Motion. [English] SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES : There are certain matters which should be clarified before the debate MR. SPEAKER : Look here, please. Please eit takes place. down.

(Interruptions) [~ransla tion] ' fl ' MR. SPEAKER : I have receive 59 notices for SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr Speaker, Sir, Zero Hour. we wish that proceedings of the House should go smoothly and peacefully. It is a different thing if there (Interruptions) are some heated arguments during discussion. MR. SPEAKER : Why do you not listen to me Today the whole country and the world is lookmg first? at thls debate therefore, the House ...(Interruptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, the issue does not pertain to Rule [Transla tion] 377. You have allowed some Members but the Please listen to me first. remalillng Memhers could not get permission. I am aware of y:lut difficulty that all the Members cannot (Interruptions) be given permission. This session has been [English] summoned for a specific purpose and we have to perform that work. But the developments taklng place MR. SPEAKER : I wish I could have been ablc outside are not under our control. The issue of urea to accommodate all of you I have grr~ethrough Vt. scandal is hkely to be raised in today's debate in notices. Many of the matters relate to the harl tr,lngs drlails. I would not like to go into its detail because in the respective consti!uencles of the M~.l,!,ers of as you would say that it is yet to be ,discussed. But'

15 Motion 01 Confidence ~n JUNE 11. the Council of Ministers 16 - cannot answer it. I would not mislead the House. has also asked me to go before the House, before That is why I am telling this. I am clear in my mind.' the 12th of this month and seek the Vote of I want to give all the materials ...(Interruptions) Confidence. DR. MllRLl MANOHAR JOSHl . Will you place Sir, I would like to say only a few words at this he facts before the House tomorrow? stage. The composition of-the Eleventh is (Interruptions) I would request 'the hon. Prime a unique one for the first tlme in our Indian history. M~nisterto come before the House wlth facts, not as The composition of the House is consisting of nearly part ot the reply to the debate. We want the facts to 32 national parties as well as the regional parties. he placed separately before the House. The Prime Sir, I know, there are many more senior leaders, Mlnister has made his statement just now. The facts more matured leaders, more experienced leaders in In the possession of the Government on this issue parliamentary life. In this critical juncture the should be placed before the House in the manner of responsibility of taking over the administration as a statement by the Government. .(/nterruptions) the Prime Minister was thrown upon me because all secular parties including the Congress have asked MR. SPEAKER : Mr Home Min~ster. me to ... (Interruptions) [Translation] MR. SPEAKER , Mr, former Home Minister, I think il IS not a reasonable demand. While the matter is AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Congress is not under investigation, you cannot expect all the facts secular. to be placed before the House which will prejudice [English] Ihe investigation I think you are asking for too much. Whatever is available, I think, the Prime Minister has SHRI. H.D. DEVE GOWDA : Please wait. Please already said that he is coming with his ultimate reply. wait for some time. You have got ample opportunity But I do not think, at this stage, you can ask for full to say whatever you want to say - I am not going to facts which will prejudice the investigation. disturb. I will sit throughout the discussion, I will not go out of the House. I will hear every hon. Member's (Interruptions) views and then I will try to reply to all the points, DR MURLl MANOHAR JOSHl : If the hon. Prime what is going to be raised today during the M~nisteris ready to stale facts in his reply, what is discussion. the difficulty in placing those very facts in terms of Sir, how the situation arose? Before election to h~sstatements? ...(Interruptions) the Eleventh Lok Sabha so many political pandits, MR SPEAKER : Let us hear h~m. so many columnists had expressed their views that in the Eleventh Lok Sabha the results would be a DR. MURLl MANOHAR JOSHl : He i's the Home 'Hung Parliament'. For the last one year, the debate Minister also. He is the Prime Minister also. He both in public and in private though media is going knows all these things. So, a full-fledged statement on in this country that no political party can get can be placed before the House. clear majority to form the Government at the Centre.

MR. SPEAKER , Dr Joshi, it is enough This is the opinion which was prevailing before the election to the Eleventh Lok Sabha. (Interruptions) Sir, after the Eleventh Lok ~abha.3elections were MR. SPEAKER : No, no. You cannot do like that. over, what is the mandate of the people? The mandate Do not make wild allegations like that I am not of the people is'not to any one political party to run allowing you. Please sit down. this country. Yes, our hon. Leader of the Opposition, (Interruptions) who is the former Prime Minister, was asked to take the responsibility of the Prime Ministership and run MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down the country as per the appointment order issued by the Rashtrapatiji. Because the Rashtrapatiji in his wisdom thought that this party is a larger party, he [Translation] gave it 'an opportunity and asked Shri Atal Bihari MR. SPEAKER : Oh, what are yo'u talking? Vajpayee to prove his majority before 31st May 1996. I do not want now to go in detail about what happened (Interruptions) on 27th and 28th May, about the deliberations in the [English] House. On 28th May, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee tendered his resignation. On the same day SHRI H.D. DEVE GOWDA : Respected Speaker, Rashtrapatiji called me and gave me the appointment Sir, I today rlse to seek the confidence of this august order to form the Government. All the secular parties House as the hon. Rashtrapatiji has called me to had met on 15th May and elected me as the leader take the responsibility of the Prime Ministership. He of the secular front. Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Saka) tlre Councrl of Ministers

Sir, I am not a Member of this House. Even then nation. In that 'common prog:amme, we have spell all the United Front friendly parties took a decision out what are the prlorltms, arid all these ttiings* tnat and expressed their confidence in me though I am have already been placed before the nation. Arid not so experienced, though I am not so matured a the hon. Members of the house can sxpress the~r politician in so far as the parliamentary functioning views about the conrmon programme. is concerned. They all expressed their confidence Sir I would l~keto req~estall the Members of in me and asked me to take up this responsibility. At thls House the same time the Congress Working Committee on at th~scr~tlcal juncture when the pol~t~cal atmosphere IS so ~or~lusedwhen the poltt~cal 12th May had passed a resolution saying that they atmosphere IS so flu~dthat we should funct~onw~th are not going to form the Government; also the{ are not going to support the BJP at any cost and if any necessary cooperatlor) I only request them to extend secular party is going to take up the responsibility the11 full cocperatlor, where the Government IS gorng on a r~ghtpdth In case, 11 they tlnd that the they are going to extend their support Government 1s not qolnq on the r~ghtpath then they unconditionally. That is the resolution of the Congress are fre~ to expose thls Government I have no Working Committee. In this background Rashtrapatiji called me on 28th May at about 8 o'clock and asked reservat~on I am maklng thls po~ntvery clear ~f th~s me to take up this new assignment. Government or rf thrs M~n~stryIS at fault on any matter they can expose ~t.Th~sHouse has got every I am too small a man. In this very chalr, if we go rlght to say about the mrsdeeds of th~sGovernment back to the history, Pandit who I am answerable to th~sHouse I am answerable to was one of the tallest men in OUI Indian h~story 90 crore populat~onof this country I w~llassure you functioned as the Prime Minister, up to the last one, thls much that is Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayeeji - whether he was there for ten or fifteen days, I have got my own A new chapter has begun A coal~ttonera has respect and regard for the expe~ienceand the begun Slr th~swas told by the former Pres~d~ntof maturity he has got in the parliamentary life. I am Indn, Shrr Venkatraman abodt two years back The now succeedrng him on the condition of the era of coalltlon Government has begui Thls IS what Rashtrapatiji to prove the majority in the very same he expressed about two years back It has come House The deadline is 12th June. That is why I am true Today there 1s some sort of a doubt In the coming before this august House to seek its final m~ndsof some fr~endsthat Mr Deve Gowda IS qoirig vlews on'thrs Motion of Confidence to compromise on all matters I would l~keto make myself clear that - let me be very cleat let me make Let us analyse the present s~tuntion.Why was myself clear to thls august House - Congress wh~le BJP with the allied partles not able to prove the extend~ng~ts support has not put any cond~t~onNot majority? It had been given 15 days tlme. I am not only that, up t~llnow on any matter they have not going to attribute any motlve. They had not adopted Interfered They have not Interfered In any mtter any foul method to see that the majorlty is secured about tak~ngany dec~s~onBut I myself took a from other parties. According to our senior leaders, dec~s~onnot to take any Important declslon unless he had expressed here in this very same House that the House glves ~tsconcrete support unless the they did not want to stoop to any type of Vote of Conf~denceIS golng to be carr~edthrough In manoeuvreing and they wanted to see that their the House I Issued rnstructrons lo all my M~n~sle~s Government was allowed to continue because they not to take any major declsrons t~llthe Twelfth thrs have got a majority in number. That was the argument of advanced by Shri Atal Bihari Valpayeej~ It the month, 1111 knowlng'the result tomorrow I do no1 want to doubt about the present coal~t~onGovernments numer~calstrength is golng to be taken into consideration, if 160 plus the strength of the allied tenure of Off~ce I would llke to make myself clear parties comes to about 194 in a House of 542, could The mandate of the people 1s for a coal~t~on it be possible to say that they have got the mandate Government and th~sGovernment IS golng to survlve of the people? I would l~keto pose this questlon for for flve years We are golng to prove that your consideration. Sir, it 1s not a question of self-praising. I'was the Sir, today, I would like to again reiterate that the Chief Minister for one-and-a-half years in Karnataka. mandate of the people is for a coalit~onGovernment I have never allowed a single scandal In Karnataka It is crystal clear. No political party In the Eleventh in the last one-and-a-half years. I might tell you, I Lok Sabha was able to muster strength on ~tsown. may be an inexperienced politic~ancompared to The Congress got the second place and all other other senlor leaders, but one word I am golng to tell partles put together, I would like to say, barrlng one this House .(Interruptions) or two partles, were able ro have 192 Members in MR. SPEAKER . Please sit down. the United Front. (Interruptions) Sir, we have got a common plogramme. The common programme was also palced before the MR. SPEAKER . I am not permitting you 19 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 2 0

SHRl H.D. DEVE GOWDA : Sir, as the Chief speaking. Somebody told me that he would be Ministet, what I have done, the days will prove. What speaking tomorrow, Initial understanding was that is golng to be the actlon of this Government about all these speakers will speak wlthin these seven the mino~ities,about the bbckward classes, about hours today ...(Interruptions) Whatever decision you the farming communities; what is going to be the take we will accept it. But kindly let us know what is action of this Governr~lent,that is mentioned in our your decision because yesterday in the meetlng we programme. authorised you and you said that you would inform us. We have not been informed. If I am not unduly 12.00 hrs. indulging in your kingdom of declsion, kindly let us know your decision so that we can also put up our Wait for sometime I am not golng to run away speakers accordingly. from the House ...(Interruptions1 Please wait. Let us see. I know till1 well about the composition of the MR. SPEAKER : I have announced that the time House and about the seniority ot the so many leaders allotted is seven hours. Each political party including In this very House Thsre are three former Prime the smaller parties have been given time and it is Ministers and t5ere are senlor most comrades like accordingly divided and distributed. I think after a lndrajlt Guptali and Somnath Chatterjoe. I do not few minutes, we will gibtt !! 90 YOU. If YOU are able to want to name them. I was sittlng In the back bench, stick to the time allotted to you, we should be able In the corner three years back. I observed the to conclude the debate today without lunch hour'. proceedings as a back benchor. When all these SHRl RAM NA4K ( North) : So tar as lunch senior leaders used to speak, I was very much hour is concerned and so far as tlme is concerned, attentlve - let me learn and I want to learn at least we have made very clear to you yesterday. I am something from the senlo! leaders. That is my saying this because the discusslon in the Committee characteristic in my polltical career 1 may tell you has been brought here. Yesterday, we had made it very frankly that I am not going to say that f am such very clear that we would like the debate to continue a learned man. I am not an economist and I am not till tomorrow. We had also made it clear that hon. a scientist. But I would like to say that I know the Shri Vajpayee will speak tomorrow; Shri Jaswant' problems ot the people of this country. I would tell Singh will initiate the discussion from our side. All you only one word.. (Interruphons) Sir, In this very these things had been made veiy clear. That is why Chalr so many stalwarts have tunctloned as Ptime we would like this debate to continue till tomorrow; Ministers for 17 years or 18 years. And today if I am and that 1s what we had said yesterday. We are here for five years or five months it is not a criterion bringing it to your notice and to the notice of this . for me. What I am going to do as Prlme Minister of House, since the discussion in the Committee has this country, that is important I am going to spend been brought here by the hon. Member every minute, every hour, every time for the sake of .. (Interruptions) the nation and I am going to prove what I am for the MR. SPEAKER : What difference does it make? poorer sections of the society, for the downtrodden What is important is, the debate has to be concluded people and the minoritres ol this country. Tnat is within seven hours. what I am going to do. That is my concern. That !s how I work. That is how J ,worked and i am going to (Interruptions) say this with all sincerity at my command. I ,am SHRl RAM NAlK : The important thing is the going to give a wprd of promise If I commit any discussion.. . (Interruptions) mistake, I am subject to scrutiny of this House. I have subjected myself lo the,scrutiny of this House. MR. SPEAKER : We have to discuss R within I would like to tell you only one thing. Sir, I do not seven hours; that is the important thing. Discussing want to take much time of the House because there it 'today' or 'tomorrow' is not important. ale so many speakers So many senior leaders are (Interruptions) going to participate in this debate and I think our SHRl NIRMAL KANTl CHATTERJEE (Dum Dum): tormer Prime Minister Shri Vajpayeeji is going to They are interested in doing It tomorrow only, for speak today. I only assure you that on all the points some astrological reasons. They are not interested that are going to be ralsed, I am going to reply in the number of hours of discussion. tomorrow in detail and I am not going to avoid any information whatever that is required by this House. [Transla tion] With these words, I would request all the hon. SIiRI ATAL BlHARl V'AJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker., Sir, Members of this House humbly and with all humility the whole House wish that there should be detalled to see that this Confidence Motion is carried through. discussion on the Confldence Motlon and,.all the SHRl SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (Silchar) : I would views of Members be expressed In the',buse like to know what is the schedule of thrs debate. You ...(Interruptions) Now, if you say that debate should haye said seven hours. Now, Valpayeeji is not last today itself ...(Interruptions) *, Motlon of Confidence In JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Sake) the Council 01 Ministers 2 2

Mr. Speaker, Sir, We are also present in the House SHRl RAM VlLAS PASWAN : I have been listening and time of the House should be decided with calmly. \iou also do so ...(Interruptions) Charges are consensus. You cannot run the House with the levelled against the Government in a No-Confidence majority. You can run the Government with majority Motion. We have not done anything as yet. We have but not the House ...(Interruptions) come to prove that this Government enioys. . the confidence of the House ...(Interruptions) [Eng lis h] SHRl GlRDHARl LAL BHARGAVA : We had also SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (Bolpur) : We not done anything ...(Interruptions) have been hearing this for a long time. We know what will work out ultimately ...(Interruptions) SHRl DAU DAYAL JOSH1 (Kota) : You have , 1 rnlsapproprlated an amount of Rs. 133 crores [Transla tion] 1 ...( Interruptions) ."HI31 ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, SHRl RAM VILAc "4SWAN : Mr. Speaker, Sir, my We iire ready to co-operate wlth you for smooth submission to the ... I. Leader of Opposition, Shri functioning of the House, but this co-operation should Atal Eiharl Vajpayee is that we never interrupt him be from both the aides ...(Interruptrons) ...(Interruptions) Please listen. SHRl LALMUNI CHAUBEY iRuxar) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, is Shri Paswan a teacher who is teaching MR. SPEAKER : Please listen to him I have us ...flnterruptions) allowed him to speak, Please listen. SHRl RAM VlLAS PASWAN . Mr. Speaker, SII the (Interruptions) Government has the r~ghtto make its stand clear. I would like to urge upon Stiri Atal Bihari Vajpayee [Transla tion] that he should ask the hon. Members of his party not SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, to use such a language. No one here IS a teacher last time whm the Confidence Motion was presented or a student.. ('lnterruptions) Please do not say so in this House my friend was saying that there is no (lnterrup tions) need to debate. Voting sho~lldbe done on the same SHRl RAJlV PRATAP RUDl (Chapra) : He is not day to complete the matter but we emphasized on a new Member. Shrl Chaubey had been a Minister the debate. Then, a useful debate was held on it and ar?d he had beon M L.A for four tlmes.. (!nterrupt~ons) the whole country heard the same .(Interruptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I can speak only when the hon [English] Members maintaln silence In the House MR. SPEAKER : I have told you to sit down , (Interruptions) (Interruptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not think that the new Government would like to create an impression in [Trans la tion] the country that it wants to avoid discussion, and is SHRl RAM VlLAS PASWAN : My submission afraid of it. Then what is the difficulty in holdlng the through you IS that last time also when we came for discussion?.. .(Interruptions) discussing the Confidence Mot~on,we were ol the Mr. Speaker, Sir, the discussion was held for two vlew a1 d the entire country wanted to know 11 the days earlier. Now more time is needed for this Government enjoys the conddence of the House or purpose. The v?ting IS to be held tomorrow. The hon. the Government has the majorlty or not? At that tlme President has fixed ,12th June for ~t If you want to also we had submllted that the discussion and the listen all the views and are in favour ot a serious voting should be held at the earliest so that the discussion on this, then there should be no ohjection confusing atmosphere no longer remain in the in continuina" the discussions tomorrow also. country. Today also, we would like to submit on behalf of the Government and I, being the Minister. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND MINISTER of Parliamentary Aftairs, would like to submit OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI RAM VlLAS that ...(Interruptions) Yesterday also, several hon. PASWAN) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the House and the Members were of the same opinion ...(Interruptions) treasury benches both do not want to avoid the Except the B.J.P., several hon. Members were of the drscussion. My submission to you is that it is not a view that the discussions should be cowluded today Non-Confidence Motion. It is a Cbnfidence Motion: itsen. Shrl had said that !hey wanted There is a difference between No-Confidence Motion to continue the discuss~or~sfor two days. We had and a Confidence Motlon ...(Interruptions) said that days are not allotted for discussions, hours

SHRl GlRDHARl LAL BHARGAVA (Jaipur) : He , are allotted for this purpose about which tho House speaks something here and something else there takes a decision. Seven Hours time has been allotted . . . (Interr~p~tions) for the d~scussions If this discussion continues upto 2 3 Motion of Conhdence ~n JUNE 11. 1996 the Council of Ministers 2 4

7 O'clock, then alright. Even if it continues upto 8 or Business Advisory Committee and it need not be 9 O'clock it is alright ...(Interruptions) But this discussed here. If this entire discussion is to be discussion should be completed today itself so that extended by tomorrow, as the hon. Prime Minister the confusion rn the entire country could be removed. says that he will reply to the debate tomorrow, there If the hon. Prime Minister wants to reply tomorrow, is nothing wrong in it. We can disucss it today and he may do so. continue it tomorrow. This is my submission Mr Speaker Sir, my subm~ss~onto you is that . . . (Interruptions) those who want to take part in the discussions should MR. SPEAKER : You listen to my ruling. In the. do so today Business. Advisory Committee. [English] (Interruptions) MR SPEAKER : I think I have heard both the SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN : What is wrong if the s~des. Leader of Opposition speaks tomorrow? If the Prune Minister is going to speak tomorrow, what is wrong SHHl PRAMOD MAHAJAN (Mumbai North-East): if you give half-an-hour to the Leader of Opposition? Sir, the suggestion\ is to forege the Lunch Hour and You are talking about the democratic norms. Let the extend the time of the House. I would say that if you Prime Minister say ...(Interruptions) What is wrong .in want to discuss it for seven hours, you discuss it for it? Why do you want to finish it today? sever) hours with Lunch Break and adjourn the House at 6 O'clock It will give you sufficient time MR. SPEAKER : There is nothing wrong. Let us implement whatever was decided in the (Inteiruptions) Committee and adjourn the House at 6 O'clock. It will glve you sufficient time. Let us implement MR. SPEAKER : We have to stick to the time whatever was decided In the Committee. allotment All of you can speak either today or tomorrow but you have to speak within the allotted MR. SPEAKER . I have heard both the sldes. time. One hour and 54 minutes is the time allotted SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN : You cannot force to BJP. Within this time, who will speak when and for us to forego the Lunch Hour We do not want to how long, it is for you to decide. forego the Lunch tiour. Do not extend the time of the SHRl I.D. SWAMI (Karnal) : It is an important House beyond 6 O'clock. You may simply continue debate. The whole world is looking towards it ;he debate for seven hours. .. . (Inter~yptions) MR SPEAKER I th~nkI have heard both the s~des I am capable of know~ngthe sense of the [Trans la tion] House. Will you allow Mr. Jaswant Singh to speak? SHRl JAI PRAKASH (Hissar) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are also the people's representative and have been elected from somewhere or the other MH SPEAKER : Let Jaswant Singh ji speak. ...( Interruptions) SHRl SATYADEO SlNGH (Balrampur) . Sir, one should be clear about the Lunch Hour and the time [English] of the House SARDAR SURJEET SlNGH BARNALA (Sangrut): MR. SPEAKER : Is it the sense ol the iiouse to Mr. Speaker, Sir, why is it that an impression is being s~tw~th Lunch or without Luunch? created that the Government is running away from the discussion? ...(Interruptions) ... An impression is being given that the Government is rushing through MR. SPEAKER : What is th~s' Why are you the discussion in the House. That impression should quarreling for the Lunch Hour? It is a very Important not be created. That is my request, Sir. debate. SHRl H.D. DEVE GOWDA : Hon. Speaker, Slr, (In terrupt~ons) may 'I make a humble submission? Some hon. SHRl PRAMOD MAHASAN: Do you want to Members including the former Prime Minister and decide about having the. Lunch Hour by majority? Leader of the Opposition have asked that I should This has never happened. reply on some of the events that took place in the past. In the last ten days, we have not done anything MR. SPEAKER : I think we can afford to discuss. wrong. If we have done any wrong, we are prepared There should be no Lunch Hour. Mr. Jaswant Singh, to own it. please. If the hon, former Prime Minister and Leader of (Interruptions) the Opposition wants to speak tomorrow and if he SHRI MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR (Mumbai North- wants to raise some of the issues relating to the West) : This entire matter was d~scussedIn the previous Government, I must be in a position to go Motlon of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Saka) the Council of Minrsters 2 6 through the documents before I reply to them. I am [Trans la tion] unable to answer in the House by touching on all PROF RASA SIN'GH RAWAT (Ajmer) . Mr. aspects of the issue thqt are going to be raised by Speaker, Slr. Sontosh Mohan Dev 11 is using wrong the hon. Leader of the Opposition. That is why I logic for safety.. .(lnterruptiorrs) humbly request the hon. Leader of the Opposition that If at all he wants to raise any issue relating to [E riglis b] the past he can do so today. Then I will be able to SHRl RAM NAlK : Sir , just a minute. We are know the whole matter and come to the House later. very happy that the former Prime Min~ster,the former I am not such a well-versed politician, let me be Leader of the Opposition is willing to speak In the very plain. I must go through the records before House. We would like to hear him either today or giving a reply. If he wants to raise it tomorrow and tomorrow. But we wou!d like to hear him in this ask for the Government's reply on all points, it will House. As the Leader of the Opposition he should be rather difficult for a person like me. I only request have spoken last time. Dul he remained qulet. At his good self to please consider this. If he wants to least let him speak tornr~~r,N. We are agreeable to it. raise any issue relating to the past, let him do so MR. SPEAKER : I ~nink,we have discussed today and let It be summed up. I am prepared to enough on this issue. I will decide later on. I am not answer on all points. There is no question of giving my dec~sionimmediately. Let us see that the suppressing. That is all my request debate continues. MR. SPEAKER : I think it is a reasonable request. Shrl Jaswant Singhji. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN : Sir, it is totally SHRl JASWANT SINGH (Chittorgarh) : Mr. unreasonable... (Interruptions) Speaker, Sir, before I make explicit reasoning that presuades us to oppose this Motion of Confidence, [Translalion] I must say two preliminary things. The first is a request SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, to you. You are the custodian of the rights of all of us. You are the custodian. You are not only the the hon. Prime Minister has made an appeal to me repository of the rights of all Members of Parlimenl- to the effect that if I raise old issues then it would not it is you through whom the House is conducted It IS be possible for him to give the reply tomorrow. not tor me to inform you. I do not recollect ever that My submission is that those who are responsible such elementary, routine question of the House like for the old issues, are present in the House They whether there is to be lunch hour or whether there can give the reply and explain the position. But I is to be extension has ever been decided on the would not like to put an emphasis on the old Issues. basis of majority or absence of majority. I can only I would like to raise some other issues. For example, appeal to you not to go down that path. This House Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to raise the issue of can funct~ononly with the cooperation of the entire the security of the nation. House. The functioning of the House is not a questlon of majority and minority. AN HON. MEMBER : Raise it today. SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : If the hon. Prime Minister is to check the old records then I can not Secondly, I was to the view that whlle help him. This discussion will continue tomorrow. participating in this debate I would express my vrews AN HON. MEMBER : NO. in Hmdi. I am not doing it. SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : If I want to speak [English] about C.T.B.T. and want the Clarification of the Out of deference to the hon. Pr~meMinister, I wdl Government then do not I have this right? You are choose to speak in a language that IS also the stopping me to express my views in this regrd. You language of the nation and that is also the language will have to study to give its reply, therefore, it can ...(Interruptions) not be completed today. My submission is that the discussion should continue tomorrow also. SHRl (Baramati) I say you are hitting below the belt ...(Interruptions) [English] SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : Beg your pardon SHRl SANTOSH MOHAN DEV : Mr. Speaker, Sir, .(Interruptions) one thing I want to say that it is up to the Ruling MR. SPEAKER : Jaswant Singhji, why should Party to decide on such things. I want to make a you go into that? point clear. If you allow Shri Vajpayee to speak (Interruptions) tomorrow It is your decision. Then, I will have to decide when my leader will speak. I will have the SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I have chosen to speak option to put him tomorrow... (Interruptions) in English. ..(interruptions) 2 7 Mo6ron of Conf~dencein JUNE 11. 1996 the Council of Ministers 2 8

MR. SPEAKER : You speak in any language you Minister says, 'a coalition has come into existence.' want. We accept the rationale that the coalitions can come (Interruptions) into existence, but the coalitions that are pre- \ electoral coalitions carry greater credibility. SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I have just not understood that. There is another dlfficulty. This coalition is a strange animal that has a new system which we MR. SPEAKER : You are not to cxpalin why you have experienced earlier in this very Partlament, are speaking in a particular language. this method of support from outside. Slr, this support (Interruptions) from outside ...(lnterruptions). SHRI JASWANT SlNGH . The hon. Member from SHRl SURESH KALMADI : Like Akalis! Baramati says that I am hittlng below the belt. Not ...(Interruptions) at all. It 1s out of a sense of courtesy ...(Inte~r~pti~nS) SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : No, the Akalis are . SHRl SHRAD PAWAR : It is not out of courtesy supporting with others ...(Interruptions) ..(/nterruptions) SHRI SURESH KALMADI : Was it before election? SHRl JASWANT SlNGH , If the hon. Member from ...(Interruptions) Baramati w~shesto make an intervention, I would SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : In the support from certa~nlyyield. outside system. ..(Interruptions) SHRl SHARAD PAWAR : You can speak in Hindi. MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him speak. There IS no problem SHRl JASWANT SINGH : what disturbs us about SHRl SURESH KALMADI () . Jaswant ... S~nglij~.Your Engl~shIS bettel than Hindi. So you try thls Government is the absence before coming into lo speak in English, (Interruptions) coalition of a substratum of common economic or polltical philosophy because that was not earlier SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : The hon. Prlme there. Therefore, afterwards, after coming into Minister, during h~sopening observations, which I existence of this Parliament, an arrangement was treat. Sir, as the outline, the sketch, the contour map made and that political arrangement is today called of the support system has said why he wishes to the United Front and to that political arrangement we seek the support of this House despite that the are asked to lend our subscription. I am afraid, we composltlon of the Eleventh Lok Sabha is a unique are not able to do so. Lok Sabha. Each L.ok Sabha IS unlque in its own' strength. But he descr~bedthis as u!llque because it I shall explain why this kind of political IS today composed of 32 parties be~ngrepresented arrangement IS riven with internal difficulties of all 01 course, as we have been hearing for the last one varlety even if I do not point out this support from month now, almost the self-stykd separation' of outs~desystem. If my hon. friend Shri Somnath these part~esInto the so-called secular' and Chatterlee belleves so profoundly in the merits of therelore, by ~nfelence,the not-secular'. I, of the case of the Prime Minister, why does his party course, reject the self-styled separation In its totality. not join them? If the former hon. Prime Minister Shr~ I rejected also in the manner In wh~chthe polity of P.V Ntirasimha Rao believes so passionately in the the country IS to be divided into the self-styled or programmes outlmed by the United Front, why does self-adopted calegories tor one kind or another the Congress Party not join them? There are a great many in the Congress Party that are indeed waiting 12.30 hrs. impatiently to actually join them. Why do you not (Shrl PM Sayeed In the Chair) permit them to jo~n?...( Interruptions) The hon Prime Mlnlster has informed us that SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :Why do you not thls IS an era of coalltlon. No doubt, th~sis an era look atter yourself.. .(Interruptions) of coalitions of which he spoke, but he also referred SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I will look after myself to It in the confidence straightaway. I do believe and ...(lnterruptions) I have to look after mysell I would make a bone to reiterate that there is 9 spirit of the mandate of 1996 and what has happened is ...(lnterruptions) I can look after myself in Parliament only by establishing the credentials ...(Interrupt~ens) that the spirit of the mandate of 1996 is a disharmony with the arithmetic of Parliament and that arithmetic I do not know what the Congress is protesting about of Parliament has resulted in a fracture in Parliament. ...(lnterruptions) I find it very strange having made an assertion that the Congress Party has no power, The spir~tof the mandate of 1996 IS certamly not they themselves find it so laughable ...(Interruptions) for the Congress Party The Congress Party has been Permit me, Sir ...(interruptions) roundly and categorically reduced to half The small group of whch the hon. Prlme M~n~sterIS Ihe leader SHRl SURESH KALMADI. : We did not want to and whlch constitute the core of th~sGovernment. form the Government without majority ...(Interruptions) that small group comprlslng of roughtly 45 hon SHRl SATYAJITSINH DULlPSlNH GAEKWAD Members of Parliament, around that the hon Prime (Vadodra) : The Prime Minister assured to follow the 2 9 Motion of Confidonce m JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Mlnrsfors

Congress policies. That 1s why, the Congress Party the machinations of key civll servants la is supporting them from outside. We are not power advance their personal interests and hungry...( Interruptroos) political interests of the DMK. And fourth MR. CHAIRMAN : You are not to give any reply 1s the massive cover-up indulged in by the now. When the Members from the Congress party V.P. Singh Government and the speak, they will give reply if they wish. Please do Karunanidhi Government during the not disturb him. greater part of 1990 when lntelhgence reports had brought to surface all that was Shri Jaswant Singhji, please continue your going on In Tamil Nadu" speech SHnl JASWANT SlNGH : Sir, perrnlt me to point Sir, I have a few more passages and I seek your indulgence because they are of immediate and urgent out the hollowness of this arrangement by quoting relevance. .(Interruptions) from a document I am quoting this from a document and I shall inform the H ouse as to who the author SHRl SRIKANTA JENA (Kendrapara) . Were those or the hon Member is, who has sald these things. photocopy documentrs?. . .(lnferruptions) It says SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : This is not a photocopy "Two years ago elections were held to the document.. .(Interruptions) State. Owing to a pecullar political SHRl M.P. VEERENDRA KUMAR (Calicut) Your configuration the DMK whlch had lost party sought support from the DMK also for proving every electlon for nearly 13 years came majority...(Interruptions) back to power Even then we had cautioned the DMK that they should not proceed on SHRl JASWANT SlNGH Sir, some very serlous the assumption that they had the support statements have been made here of the people of Tamil Nadu" Glving reterence to EPRLF 11 says That is because they d~dnot have the support "Every movemen? of the EPRLF. Slr, the fraternity of lawyers have a specialisation particularly of Mr Padmanabha and other of arguing the brief of the day and the brief of the senlor leaders was conveyed by the State day then which was being argued by the Member, police to the LTTE When Padmanabha whom I shall name in a rnlnute, is this. There are came to Madras In the flrst or second week four areas mentioned by this hon. Member, which I of June, his arrrval In Madras was notifleu wlsh to do so. It says to the LTTE The location of EPRLF House was conveyed to the LTTE and on 19th "When I do so, I would be constrained to June 1990, the most dastardly crime lo mke very serlous aliegatlon:. very serious have been committed in recent times in charges and I would ask thp tmn Mernbors the city of Madras was committed" to beal with me I do sl.l VJII~Ifull sense of responslb~lity I trike thi5 re:.pons~billly for TI-,c~~eafter,charges that hon Member, that every staternrr~twh~ch 1 make and at the "The then Ch~efMinlster 01 Madras met end of il 1 will ~I~~llldIl~Jhr~dI ulge the these two emissaries On that day i.e hon Mernbe~sto ~IIIr!~c ;II denlairding seven days after this murder and that a h~gh-.poweredIrbqulry should be assassmation. a sum of rupees four lakh instituted to find out all that has happened was paid by the DMK to the LTTE. An hon in Tam11 Nadu in the last two years. I do Mernbbr of Parliament was present" not want my charges to rernaln as charges. i do not want my ailegatlons to remain allegations Those ot us who make these charges must have an opportunity to lead evldencp In support of the charges" SII, what are the charges whlch were made In such seriousness? There are foul broad heads. It says SHRl CHANLL,: SHFKHAF (Ralllar You -1:1d %ere supporrlt:g Sh11 V P Smgh "First is the subversion of the law and order machinery in Tamil Nadu to cater to SHRl JASWANT SINGV it IS no: you ancl I the needs of the militants particularly the Chandra Shekharjl, who wb~oSupPo tlng S~IIL' P LTTE Second IS the political nexus Slnyh. It 15 not a questicn I am 1:ot talkmg a! ,t between the National Front-now called that I am talklrq ot the relevance at the assertlo,, United Front-and Ministers on the one that IS bemg made now It we we e suppoltlng I'I' hand and the LTTF oil the other Third is Slngh~~we were also opposlng Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 3 2

MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Jaswant Singhji, kindly charges that he made? ...(Interruptions) Don't ask me proceed. to remind hon. Chandra Shekharji. SHRI JASWANT SINGH : I am answering to hon. SHRl : I shall not say Chandra Shekharji ...(lnterruptions) because many people are there. SHRl CHANDRA SHEKHAR : Mr. Chairman, as SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : Sir, here is a very Mr. Jaswant Singh has yielded, may I make a humble serious allegation made by Shri Chidarnbaram on . request? Better not to dig out all these things because the floor of the House. many people who sit that side also are responsible "Take me into confidence before you for that. That is what I said. launch any action here so that I can warn SHRl JASWANf SlNGH : I am obliged to respond my colleagues" to a very senior Member like hon. Chandra Shekharji. This is the statement attributed by Shri He IS elder, I hold him in very high personal esteem Chidambaram to the then Chief Minister of Tam11 and his advice of this kind would ordinarily be very Nadb; who is again the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu difficult for me to turn aside. But for Chandra and his support Shri Chidambaram has sought. On Shekharji, he says, 'Not to refer to all these, not to his shoulders he has made a political alliance in refer lo the conceptual fracture. Better not do it betrayal of his own party and on his shoulders he because otherwise, we will be revealing all the other has come back to Parliament ...(Inlerruptions) Now, conceptual fractures' ...(Interruptions) he is teaching us! MR CHAIRMAN : You have already referred to The hon. Prime Minister started by saying as to it. Kindly proceed further. It is already on record. what kind of arrangement he has put together. Sir, SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I am answering. What we are not convinced of the bona fides of this do ybu want me to do? arrangement because it IS not simply the arithmetic of Parliament that is fractured, it is more than the MR. CHAIRMAN : Now you speak further arithmetic, it is the political morality of the entire SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : Sir, here is an hon. political morality that is fractured by this kind of Member who is now talking. Why am I referring to opportunist alliance coming together. this? I am referring to this because somewhere at I do not wish to refer here to Shri Soninath the root of all this, is the very important aspect of Chatterjee's intervention and my intervention He political morality that is involved. Tt~ere'is political questioned them on that very day also morality that is involved - it was aftei making such serious charges. Do yo know, Sir, who made this SHRl SOMNATH CHAT~ERJEE: Then, you were statement in this House? Do I have to name who supporting me. made these statements? I do not say this. My friend, SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : l was supporting you. hon. nur&oli Maran and I know each other for many I was. That is precisely the point. That is the tragedy decades now. Hon. Murasoli Maran knows very well of it all, I find it very strange that Shri Somnath what these charges were. He is not to be blamed for Chatterjee should be sitt~ngas a member of the these charges. Who is to be blamed is hon. Shri Treasury Benches. I find it stranger that my friend Chidambaram who made these charges in the House Shri Nirmal Kanti Chatterjee has been relegated to in 1991. Having made these charges, he today a back bench of the Treasury Benches. Even he became the ideologue of this arrangement. He does not belong there. He even looks strange I am becomes the ideologue and the spokesman of this sure that he feels strange ...(Interruptions) arrangement; and he teaches up political morality. This kind of political immorality, the worst kind of SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE . You had political immorality, is demonstrated by holding this usurpers here. You had used us earlier. view, saying this on the floor of this House and then SHRl JASWANT SINGH : Sir, it is necessary for conducting yourself in a totally contrary manner. me to quote just one or two other lines from th~s. Reflect for a moment on the charges that are There is a very serious charge made here contained here. This is not a secret document. This ...(Interruptions) is the photocopy, Srikantji, of proceedings in this I will cut short my time. Do not worry. House of which you were also a Member. MR. CHAIRMAN : He is doing my job. SHRl E. AHAMED (Manjeri) : Now only tell us the date. SHRl JASWANT SlNGH :There is a charge made, not only against Shri Karunanidhi, but there is a SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I will tell you the date. charge made here against Shri Vishwanath Pratap It 1s 25th February, 1991 Singh. What does Shri Chidambaram have to say? Are you referring when he said. "Did an enquiry He is now not only his mentor, he is his ideologue. take place?" Is Mr. Chidambaram satisfied with the he has put them all together on various grounds. 3 3 Motion 01 Confidence m .IYAIST'HA 21. 1918 (:;a~e) the Council of M~nisters 3 4

And one of the constituents which till lately, fill just and I am concluding. Here is a situation where Rs. before this whole arrangement was put together by 133 crore are committed to purchase of urea from a 'Raja Saheb of Manda, now for that very same Raja firm which is non-existent and when demand is made Saheb of Manda, what had Shri Chidambaram to that to cover that order, at least take out an insurance say? policy, which is a perfectly legitimate, routine "After the V.P. Singh Government came commercial activity to cover the fransaction. You have into office an ULFA cell was set up in Tamil an insurance cover and advance is paid for that Nadu in February 1990." insurance cover also. The insurance that is taken out is not to cover on delivery. There is no insurance I would appeal to my friends in the AGP to reflect There is no urea. An amount of Rs. 133 crore of very seriously on those with whom they sit because Indian tax-payers' money is sent out. these are not permanent allies. These are allies of convenience. But let me also say here is what hon. Why are we asking this Government to clarrfy? Shri Chidambaram had to say about the Raja Saheb We are asking this Government to clarify because of Manda. this Government depends for its very existence on the support of this large bloc of the Congress Party. "Shri Chidambaram : You have much to You are not in a position to implement even one answer, Mr. V.P. Slngh. Shri Srikant, my comma of your Minimum Common Programme unt~l dear friend, I appeal to you to listen the Congress Party supports it. The Congress Party carefully. You have much to answer, Mr. V.P. Singh. Your turn will come. You would has till today remained ambivalent, remained entirely have destroyed Tamil Nadu rf you non-committal; the Congress Party has not said that cont~nued in power. You would have your Common Minimum Programme is acceptable to destroyed ." them. The day they commit themselves .... Why do I say all this? It does not give me any SHRl SHARAD PAWAR : We have said delight. I point it out because the rot is not simply SHRl JASWANT SINGH : You have said. It is the rot of corruption. It is not simply f~nancialThe rot aceptable to you in its entirety including a fight of corruption is deeply political and ~f the only against corruption including what they have said motivating factor that they have, the only motivating about corruption ...(Interruptions). reason that they have for coming together in this SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : Yes, we have said. unholy arrangement called the "Front", - let us look at the geography of the House If they wera realistic, SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I am re-assured. I am In the geography of the House they would find that glad that t,he Congress and indeed two spokesmer, they badly occupy just one section of the House. have sa~dit. The hon. the former Prime Minister and Out of six sections, five are really opposed to them his principle political adversary in the Congress and on the basis of that one sectloi, an assertion Party, the hon. Member from Baramati is made that "because they are in collusion with us, ...(Interruptions). That is what the papers say. I cannot whether with us or outs~defrom us, we want to form say whether you are actually his adversary or not the government" reflects, on the deep deep polltical ...(interruptions). immorality of it Because ~t is this deep political SHRl SHARAD PAWAR : Do not say wrong words. immorality which persuades them to base their entire case on just simply two things Stop BJP occupy SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : If you are not office. ...(Interrupt~ons). SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Naturally. SHRl P.V. NARASIMHA RAO (Berhampur) : Sir, he was on the point whether the Congress Party SHRl JASWANT SlNGH - On those grounds, we supports and is in agreement with the Common cannot lend them oul suppo~t. (Interruplions) I do Mlnimum Programme announced by the luling Party. not want to ... I tell hlm that this has already been accepted. There Mr Chairman, do you want me to conclude? may be small variations, in some cases we may MR. CHAIRMAN : No You are taking you own want them to go a little faster. All these are matters tlme. which can be discussed and sorted out In principle and also in the content of the Programme we have SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : I have a word only to not found anything which we could oppose or we say about this unfortunate matter of urea. would like to oppose. Therefore, we support them I am not quoting from the Press reports. I have and th~sis what has been said by my spokesmen. a copy with me of the First lnformatlon Report. This This has been clearly made public by the proper is the First lnformation Report. This First Information person who was supposed to make it and the Worklng Report was not lodged during our tenancy. I do not Committee also, I am sure, is going to eirdorse it wish to quote from the entire F~rstlnformation Report when it meets. 3 5 Motion of Confrdence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Council 01 Ministers 3 6

SHRl JASWANT SlNGH : Mr. Chairman, Sir, it national securlty. I draw your urgent attention to the should really not be a matter of re-assurance to me. on-going conference on disarmament. I draw your The hon, the Prlme Minister, Shri Deve Gowda, urgent attention, Mr. Prime Mlnlster,, Sir, also to the should be greatly relieved to hear this though I am fact that on 28th of May a new text has been not sure whether the rest of the Congress Party is Introduced lnto that conference as the latest text by going to be relieved or the rest of the Congress has the Chelrman. I drew your attention, Mr. Prime a different plan...( Interruptions). Minister Slr, that It is thls te5t whlch does not meet SHRl P.V: NARASIMHA RAO : He has lost the the requirements of India at all. This conference is argument already. ending on 28th of June. Your Minister of External Affairs, in hls venerable age and wisdom, has SHRl JASWANT SINGH : Mr. Chairman, Sir, after informed the country that the previous government's the clariflcatlons provided by the hon, the former policies wlll continue. I presume he meant the Prime Minister, In fact, my worry is deeper. previous Congress government and If the previous It is because that is precisely why I find that in government's policies are continuing then it is a this Minlmum Common Programme - It should really matter of even deeper worry because the previous be the Mlnlmum Common Programme, It cannot be government had no pollcy in regard to C.T.B.T. And the Common Minimum Programme; but that is not it does not sufflce to merely reiterate that unitl the point. I now find why the chapter, why the universal disarmament is achieved, we will continue paragraph on corruption is so ambivalent. It is to oppose C.T.B.T. The time for a clear and precisely because the Congress has lent support to categorical statement of policy In respect of C.T.B.T. it, because you are already paying ...(Interruptions) which today is the most important security issue Therefore, you surely cannot support the Confidence facing the country has come. It is not a question of Motion. waiting till 28th of June. A decision has to be taken SHRl NIRMAL KANTl CHATTERJEE : The book by this Government, I believe, not later than the says that it is a common approach to major policy 20th of June., The choice is clear. You cannot sign matters and a minimum programme. That is my point. the C.T.B.T. and if you cannot slgn the C.T.B.T. do not be misled into lanes and allays and byelanes SHRl JASWANT SINGH ; It is only for the of delusion by going lnto detlectlng conferences on professor, and who else, to correct 11. disarmament. You wlll cause irreparable damage to But the pornt I? that the Congress has finally the national interests. supported this kind 01 a programme I am very glad This is a matter to which I do not wish to refer the Communists have, therefore, also given up in any greater detail because my time is also limited insurance and the Janata Dal have glven up their in today's intervention and 1 wil conclude. fight against corruptron becauses that is why this programme has so llttle on corruption and that is By all means govern as best as you can. But in the governing of this country the attitude that you why we raise the issue of urea. 'Urea' IS the other aspect. 'Urea' is the symbol of corruption, corruption have, has to be rnclusive, not the exclusive and not that starts principally as political corruption the rejecting. You havd to have an aggregatlve attitude and I caution you, Mr. Prime Minister, Srr, Sir, I have one more point to add that if you have elements that are today your principal SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Tb~s1s not one spokesmen, who until yesterday were in the most of your best days ...(Interruptions) extreme terms condemnatory of your other components, then this is not a factor for continurty or [Translation] thrs is not a factor for stability. We are not contributing you are a 13.days ruler to that. Your own components are contributing to that. (Engl~sh] Mr. Prime Minister. Sir, you refelct also that the SHRI JASWANT SlNGH I do not say all these task of governing this country and the task of meeting 'I :,1gs many challenges that face this country is not to be addressed by this kind of attitude that re be~ng SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV You are a good trlend a1 mrne. The 13-day rnin~stryhas sporled you. demonstrated. You are a better performer Vghat happened to you 13.00 hrs. . .. today? If we are unable ,to convince ourselves of SHRl JASWANT SlNGH I am not. confidence in this government, it is because we are Sil, I have one more point My leader, the former unable to understand the total rationale being put Prime M~nister,hon. Shri Atal 6rliar1Vajpayee will be across by this Front to say that we are in office leferrlng to it. The issue ,s of natronal security. The because we have to stop BJP. That, to us, is not an Issue is of national security and In the context of answer. If they have come and said, we are in otfice 3 7 Motion of Confidence rn JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Sake) the Council of Minihrs 3 8

because it is the service of the country that we want, 14.01 hrr. we have contested the election on that reason, that is why we are comlng into and those numbers that The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch at One sit here together reflect the collectivity of one polltical Minute past Fourteen of the Clock. philosophy, one economic thought, certainly It would (Shri Chitta Basu in the Chair) have been a different matter. It I8 a fractured thought, It is a dlvlded thought. It is not slmply a dlvlded MOTION OF CONFIDENCE IN THE COUNCIL thought. It Is a thought that has come together for OF MINISTERS - Contd. office, only for offlce. We are unable to persuade ourselves that that I8 suftlclent ground to support MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, we continue the debate them. I, therefore, oppose the Motion moved by the on the Motion'of Confidence in the Council of hon. the Prime Minister. Mlnlsters. Shri A.R. Antulay. MR. CHAIRMAN : Sh. A.R. Antulay. 14.01 hrr. ' SHRl SATYADEO SINGH : We have not decided SHRI A.R. ANTULAY : Mr. Chairman, Slr, I believe to rklp the lunch hour. today is the day when we can rightfully claim that MR. CHAIRMAN : It Is already decided by the the Indian democracy has matured. It does take Speaker. always a little the for any good thlng to bear fruit. (Interruptions) When the Motlon of Confidence was moved by today's Prime Minister Devegowdaji, memories go back to SHRl SONTOSH MOHAN DEV : Slr, the whole natlon is looking at thls telecast ...( lnterruptionb). The those days when nobody could have dreamt that a hon. Members do not know whether we should hhe person from a vlllage, almost with a rustlc common lunch hour or not. You take a decision and let us go sense would adorn the highest executive chair of by that. this nation. What is required In this country is not so much democracy In Its barest of sense, because in MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, Mr. Speaker Indian polity, in the context of India I may make bold has already decided that we will slt and skip off the to say that there can be no democracy without lunch hour. Therefore, hon. Member Shri Antulay will secularism. Unless democracy is secular, it is no continue. democracy. If we go by arithmetic, as has been here (Interruptions] by BJP made out then what is the place under the SHRl A.R. ANTULAY (Kulaba) : Mr. Chairman, sun for the mlnorlties? Slr.. . (Interruptions). SHRI RAM NAIK : Mr. Chairman, Slr, I am on a MR:CHAIRMAN : Please do not Interrupt. polnt of Information. (Interruptions) SHRl A.R. ANTULAY : i am not yielding. SHRl RAM NAlK : Sir, the Prlme Minisier has [Translat/on] assured that he would remaln present in the House SHRl RAM NAlK : Mr. Chairman Slr, It Is not throughout the debate. But the Prime Minister is not good that the decision taken about time yesterday is there now. When a senior hon. Member llke Shri being implemented in such a compuislon. The House Antulay Is speaking, the Prime Minister should have can not function In.this way ...(Interruptions). The been present here. decision about time should always be unanlrnous . (lnterrupt~ons) MR. CHAIRMAN : Some Mlnlsters are here. Mr. Antulay, please carry on. 13.03 hrm. (Interruptions) (Mr Speaker In the Chair) SHRl A.R. ANTULAY . I was only making the MR: SPEAKER . Do not make yourself more barest proposition which is the ground reality in our hungry. country and many countries indeed which have (Interruptions) inhabitated many populations of d~fferentcolour. culture, religions and language like ours. I am proud MR. SPEAKER : All right, the House stands to say that even although It was omltted in the adjourned for lunch upto 2.00 p.m. beginning, it was in 1976 - which came into effect 13.04 hre. in January, 1977 - a word 'secular' was incorporated In the preamble of the Constitution of The Lok Sabha then adjourned lor Lunch 1/11 lndla at the behest of Swarn Slngh Committee of Fourteen of the Clock. whlch this humbleself had the honour to be the Member Secretary. Motion of Confidence in JUNE If. 1996 the Council of M~n~sters 4 0

Sir, I have no quarrel with my friends from that well for the future of our country, for the future of our side as I had none, nor shall I have any time in democracy unity and integrity and for the future of future. When Jaswant Singhji - for whom, he knows our progress and prosperity Independent country. It better than others, I have the highest respect - said is a coalition but it is not, as Jaswantji chose to that "we are also secular," I really felt they should describe, of course, in his inimitable style, a not have then come out of in 1977 on desparate and divergent one. Well, they have their that issue alone. The incarnation of BJP then was different manifestoes, yes. In polities which are Jan Sangh. Jan Sangh had merged in Janata Party democratic and even in much smaller than ours, in and thus they became a single unit of the thon the countries which are ruled by democratic, form of democratic polity, against the Congress. It is a good Governments, they do have many parties and equally thing. Nothing wrong about it. We all welcomed it more manifestoes they do have got coalition even though we were on the other side and they Governments. These coalition Governments have put won mandae. The then Janata Party came into their own programmes before the people. I wish to power Morarji Bhai was the Prlme Minister and say this. Forget the 'Minimum Common Programme'. Charan Singhji was the Home Minister and Finance As a citizen of this country I would proclaim that if Minister, I am sorry to ask, 'why on earth that all of us are united on one point on this side of the House, it is the secular pillar of the Indian democracy, Government was pulled down'? Did the Congress I am happy about It. I do not want any other thing. pull it down? No. A section of the Janata Party namely What is the good in offering other things if you are earst while Jan Sangh before they merged opted - - not secular? Unless you are secular, you cannot out on this !.sue Itself - whether there should be or simply be truly just, equitable and functional, you should not be dual membership. Madhu Limayeji cannot implement even the Preamble which talks had waged a war and I remember George Fernandes about Justice, political, social as well as economic. Saheb did not lag behind. Therefore, at that time The institutions of the minorities in secular polity when the Government broke, obviously it fell. May I have to be safeguarded. When you talk about repeat the argument I have advanced is to bring minoritism and minority, you are just quibbling with home a point to my very very good friend, Jaswant the words. The majority should come forward and Singhji and his frlends in refutation of their contention say that they are happy to give whatever legitimately that he endeavoured; paboured to make out. Let us minorities desire and whatever they need. Please recall what happened in 1989? The BJP was sitting do not call that as appeasement or minoritism; here, V.P. Singh Sahab was sitting there and we please call it as equitable justice or fair play. Unless were in the Oppo'sition. The Motion of confidence equitable justice is there, you cannot rule this great was moved by the then Prime Minister, Shri country and keep it united, integrated and intact. Vishwanath Pratap Singhji and I recall as I was Therefore, secularism is the very basis of this fielded on behalf of Congress then to speak on coalition. We may support thls Government from oppose that Motion to express our views. We did outside But after some time, if our leader and the not oppose that Motion. The Congress had won more Worklng Committee so chooses or if it decides to seats at that time than the number of seats the BJP join, we may or may not join. How does it matter? has won now. The leader of the Congress Party could Whenever any motion comes on behalf of the have very well, as he was entitled to an3 as he was Government, as the Constitution requires, it will be asked to by the then President, said, we will make passed by a majority support and that is all. But it rather than saying straightaway-no we shall not even if Congress were to join, how many of us could form the Government People have put us in the join? They may only be five, seven or ten or some Opposition, we politely told Rashtrapatiji, that we such figures; not all 1401 shall sit in the Opposition. 'He could have certainly KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE (Calcutta South) : got sworn in, as one of the greatest Parliamentarians Nobody. and leaders, the former Prime Minister anti the SHRI. A.R. ANTULAY : We are 140. 1 am not on present Leader of the Opposition, Atalji had done, the point which Jaswantji has made against Shri P. who was therefor 13 days. Though Rajivji also could Chidambaramji. Chidambaramji is competent, have done that. Now, what is a mandate, what is a eloquent and articulate. I make bold to say that he janadesh? A mandate is one whlch enables you to will reply to the first point which Shri Jaswant Singhji rule, in a polity like ours. It IS being now said that made and I do not have to dilate on that. I say so it is a fhung Parliament'. I am afra~dthat I do not because I am a believer in the verdict of the people. agree wlth those who say that it is 'hung Parliament'. Have the people of Tamil Nadu not borne out what This Parliament is very much alive, thriving and they have done? Are we going to question what they kicking. Parliament is very much functional and not did'. Whether they stabbed us in the back or they defunct, Indeed the seeds of polarlsation of forces did not stab, IS our Internal matter...( Interruptions) have been sown Mr. Chairman, to my mind, It augurs We did not question your credentials when you parted 4 1 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 4 2

company with Janata Party in 1979 or later in 1990 recrimination, without any sort of competition, a from Shri V.P. Singh Government. So, those who live person who was the Chief Minister of Karnataka being in glass houses should be little more cautions to invited to form the Government. How may times you realise that others also can do so. find that a person, who is not in the race, who has not been considered, who has not himself given. I am only saying that whatever the people have thought to it, never dreamt it has been invited to decided, they have given the mandate to rule, to the form the Central Government? Does it not show that secualr forces of this country and it is not Minimum the people are more mature than us? The people of Programme. Even if it is one point programme. I am India are more mature. The people are more secular happy about it ...(Interruptions) Well, let us see than we the leaders sitting here. In our country, on/: ...(Interruptions) I think secularism is ingrained in one-point programme will always remain steadfas; the ancient culture and tradition of this country and clear to their heart-heart of the people of thls ...(Interruptions) It has been there all through and country, that is, all the cultures, all the religions will nobody can divorce this polity from secular approach be encouraged; they will be given their due share . . .(Interruptions) and those whoare followers of them will not be Well, I am on my legs. My friends are going to denied any opportunity and that is called secularism. got an opportunity to reply...( Interruptions) If you I know the translation of secularism ought to have believe in democracy, it is not 4,000 more that is been "Sarvadharma Samabhava". But when we put needed; even if it is one ...(Interruptions) in the Preamble the word "secular", the translation that was given for Hindi version was "Sarvadharma MR CHAIRMAN : No running comments please. Sambhava" that is equal respect for all religions in SHRl A.R. ANTULAY : No ,running comments this country. It is not only not irreligiousness - of thank you. Mr. Chairman, because it is questioning course the translation does not say so but the on their past in a democratic polity of the democratic translation does not also say equal respect for all principle. I do not want to go Into that. They will not religions : "Sarvadharma Sambhava". succeed in distracting my attention ..(Interruptions) Sir, there is a lot of talk going on.. (Interruptions) Let me add this polnt because it has been raised SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : About urea? In spite of everything including the communal SHRl A.R. ANTULAY : You do not have to remlnd prograganda, I have won and won by 4007 votes me. I know all the three points that have been made .(Interruptions) Yes, I have won. It is a matter of by Shri Jaswant Singh. Atalji is to speak. Thereafter, p~ldefor me ... (Interruptions). I would request our leader to speak and then the MR CHAIRMAN : Please do not enter into it. Prime Minister will speak. That is what has been SHRl A.R ANTUL.AY : Yes I am not listening to organised and arranged in the morning. them But my voice should not allowed to 6e Therefore, Sir, with the humblest of my drowned. contribution, I would expect :his Parliament to allow MR. CHAIRMAN . It cannot be drowned. without any fetters, without any let or hindrance this Government to function for the full term of five years. SHRl A R. ANTULAY :They should not be allowed I hope there is no difficulty at all. I, on behalf of the to raise their vow If they say that the House can Congress Party, can say that we shall not be allowmg tunction only with all sections gettlng together, let the Government to be pulled down on any flimsy them have their own say and let them give way to ground because as our leader has said, the us, as my friend Shri Ram Naik Saheb has said. Let programme that has been chalked out is concurred us give way to the Government and let then) have in by us. Since the programme is the programme of their own say. Nobody is throttling them. all of us and secularism is the very basis; indeed I am not going to make a long speech because basic of all basics! I believe that they have no fear: it IS not necessary. As the hon. Minister rightly said, we have no fear and they, the BJP may keep on the Government has not yet taken any major saying anything. And yet the Prime Minister shall decision. We have nothing to learn from you we are remain for full five years. But let me add one word unlike you in this respect. Therefore, 1 would only before I conclude. As the Prime Minister has rightly urge that when I see Shri H.D. Deve Gowdaji sitting said - I was listening to every word that he spoke this morning the downtrodden, the OBC, the SC, there I am happy; it is immaterial to me to which - Party he belongs. the ST and the minorities, I am sure every patriotic Indian, on hearing this will be happy and proud. I As an Indian and as a citizen of this country, I convey my felicitations and congratulations to the am proud, as I sald in the beginnmg, that it is a Prime Minister for beihg so bold in speaking up the testimony of the maturity of democracy when I see a truth which needs to be spoken, whlch needs to be poor peasent from a village coming here and sitting uttered from the Chair, he spoke trom. Wlth this, I there as the Prime Minister of India. Without any conclude. Mnt~on01 Confidence m JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 4 4

L.rliil SOMNATH CYATTERJEE , Mr. Chairman, MR. CHAIRMAN : Please sit down. I am on my ,.:I I lrse to support this Motion Sir, I hawno manner legs. I cjouht that this House today will prove lo the world (Interruptions) 'IJ~th?re IS 2 logltimate Government in this country :~ihIch+as the support of 77 per cent of the electorate [Trans lation] -1nd 2 n:ajor~ty supporl lnside tbe House; and not a ,>ovcrnment ar~~chwas procla~mmgfrom the rooftop SHRl TARACHAND SAHU (Durg) : He is a senior ):y prov~d~nghypxritical estimates of its so-called Member and it does not look nice for him to say so ...(Interruptions) i:e~qthIhsi it would have majority Inside the House. i!~d.SII whal hnpprned durtng those 13 days in [English J !!)I: ,.o~n~rywas noth~ngout a constitutional sacrileoe WF: have never set?? In th~sHouse before MR. CHAIRMAN : I am on my legs. Please sit and I have hi~dthe great privilege of being here down. for son~et~rne- when to1 two days this House was (Interruptions) rvertaken by what I called marauders of p~rl~arnent~irydemocracy. And, we had a Prime MR. CHAIRMAN : Please sit down. Vlniste: s~ttlnghere who was none but a pretender. (Interruptions) t.lc was not having the slightest chance of having SHRl (Nagpur) : I am malority support on a point of order, Sir. SII, when Shr~Vajpayee came on the 27th of MR CHAIRMAN : No point of order can be heard May ~ns~dethe House to seek the Vote of Confidence, unless the House is restored to order. he knew that they had no malority When he spoke, he knew that he would not be able to command a (Interruptions) nlajorlty But we had to go through, we were made MR CHAIRMAN : Please sit down, I am on my to go through these two days ot sermons and legs tlgma~oleand we were glven all sorts o! adv~~osas 10 what to do and not to do (Interruptions)

My very good frlend Shri Jaswant S~nghIS MR CHAIRMAN . Fmt resume your seats and d~sturbed that there IS today, on thls side of the then I shall listen. House, a post-electoral coalition. Now what is the SHRl SOMNATH CHATTEHJEE Mr Cha~~man soal~t~onwh~ch Shrl Jaswant Singh's Parly was Sir, we were told by Mr Jaswant Singh ot pol~t~cal qeeklng since the 16th of May? Even your Samata morallty I am reminded of what happened on the =arty has been fractured after the Elections You 27th of May When this House had adjourned the were going to everybody, vou were appeal~ngtn debate for lunch that recess was utilised to pass ~verybodyto support you You ~RVPacce~ted o:;e of :he most Inimo~aldecisions whlch a :,ourself that there can only be a c-;.~l!tior Government can ?ossibly take The Government at ;overnment In thls counlrv Tcd?y VOL, :ii.v? tie 1.0 1.0 po~rltcf tine 'lad d majority in rh~sHouse A .itt~tudeot r~ghteous1ndlgnat12n ;!ti at11tuc.e of Governnr,ljt vvt,!cl-~has no pollllcal cred~b~l~ty.no ~nlured,Innocence Well the Members of Parhament credentials 111sldetn? Hc!trse 01 outs~de,st111 goes !?ave done the~rduty in not Keeprng you in a seat out. holds a Cabinet rneetlng and passes the most where you haa no r~ghtto occupy even for a nvnute controbersial decislon about wh~chwa are qlven Sir, we are given lectures 01 polltical moralit~es. leclures What was the necess~ty?Heavens would 7ev1l quoting the scriptures. I would have expected not have fallen down Wl~atwns the mandate of that that the present Leader o' the Opposition shoulc Government': Thc! Preslden! only asked hirn to go i-lave sa~dto the hon Rashtrapatiji. "You are giving betore the HOL;SP to seek 11s confidence. -r1ea great honour but let me fmd out whether there Very s~gn~ficantlyI find today a very handsome IS any posslble chance of majority support In the picture at my very handsome fr~endJaswant Smghji! !-louse." No exercise was made. Ladons were Here he was asked as to what was the hurry about distributed I must compllment - I: may not be a left- the Enron project. In today's The Economic Times it handed compllment . there was a 13 days Sultan or is reported and I bope Mr Jaswant Singh will not Sultana. You did util~zethe media - yes - fc project a make-believe situation in this country deny th~s.He sa~d 'flrst the Constitution makes no difference between a Government that IS seeking a Mr Chairman, 1 cannot forget and it requlres vote of confidence and the one which has obtained ~epetitionon the floor of this House...( Interruptrons) it'. We are glven lectures of constitutional law, not of MR. CHAIRMAN : Please sit down political morality. (Interruptrons) This does not behove of a moralist. 4 5 Motion of Confidence ~n JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Saka) the Council of Ministori 4 6

SHRl JASWANT SlNGH . Does the Constitution our Prime Minister for his forthright statement Ue make any diftersnce:) ...(lnterrupt~ons) has sald that he can stake the future of this SHRl NIRMAL KANTl CHATTERJEE Political Government but he w~llnot compromise on matters morality makes the difference Jaswant Singhjl, you of corruptton and matters ot national secur~ty are too respected to make this klnd of a mistake (Interrupt~onst (Interruptions) Mr Chairman. Sir, we were told earlier that the SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Sir, he bellwed 0JP represents a very cohesive party Now, what IS that his statement will Influence the debate on the happening here? The world 1s saylng thls, I dr. not Motion of Confidence moved by our esteemed Prime say. I can only sympath~zewith Mr Atrnaram Patel. Mlnister Mr Deve Gowda He has now today admitted the seventy-year-,Id or seventy-tlve or eighty,.year- it the question was, Does the BJP, today deny old Minister, who was beaten up at the meeting In' lespnnsibility for what happened In Ayodhya on the Frontlme thls week h~spicture has come wlth all December 6, 1902?' and the answer was. Of course, sorts of bandages and all that. I do not knew whettler we have accepted our responsih~l~tvdlrectly Now, any ol the leaders want there to syrnpathlse wlth this 1s a party, which was Instrumental In demolishing him, at least to glve him .a plece of cloth to hldc h~s nne ot the sacled structures In thls country and nakedness ..(Interruptions) Now, we were told and (InrerruptionsI we arc glven lectures or polltlcal sermons Sir the coalition Government cannot be avolded III this [Translot:on] country if you have to have a Governmellt Do thsy want an elect~ontomorrow?. .(lnterrirpt~onstI-ct them SHRl RAJlV PRATAP RUDl (Ci~apra): Mr. say that. Let them say that they wan! to infll::! an Speaker, Sir, the issue regarding demolition of election tomorrow on the people ot this temples in Kashrnir should also be included in the country ...(Interrclptions) Let them have the polltlcal discussion. .(lnterrupr~ons)Whether these questions courage to say that. You are only lnvlt~ngpeo~le sho~~ldnot be raised here Ilnterrupt~onst from thls side as if you have the great right the Sb'RI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Oh Sadhus are inalienable right to govern whether you are 10 or on the~rlegs 20 or 194 and whether ~t is 20 per cent or 23 per cent, as ~f a divine dispensation is there Enough IS [English] enough. That is why I sald that the day of deliverance And the very foundation of the secular tabric ot had come on the 28th of May and on the 1st of June this country was dlsturhed by you, demolished by the day of deliverance has fructlfled when our /mu and today, for the sake of trylng to persuade esteemed Prime Mlnlster was sworn in and thls ..om~11~dyhere, you arb 1:lklriq a posture ol penance Governmenr came Into power A great wrong whlch ?Ills 1s 11)eatt~tud~ (/7!etr1ipf/ons) SII I know ol the11 has been committed was righted on that date !run!~er 1 helr huriqel 1 ,I power lasted only for thirteen Sir, 1 wish to congratulate Mr. Deve Gowda on days (lnrer~~~ptfons! h~sassumption ot power Mr Prima Mlnister. the MR CHAIHMAh No, please HP IS not yleldlng people of ?his country are looking at you, the secular Please SI: down people, the dallts, the mlriorltles the workers the peasants, the backward people ano the cornm-lr (lnr~truptions) people of thts country are looking towards vuu Iv14 <;HAIRMAN Ttiele IS ,I certain cl+co~ulnIn . . (lnterruplions) 1h1s Huusc~ Plea3e r.11 rlnwn He I- ?,I! yrelcirng AN HON MEMBER What about Hlnrlus? ~/-t~?r~up!ions) (Intortuptions! StIK SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Mr Chalrnlan SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Very w+ll, 51r we were told by MI Jaswant Slngh, a very Hindus also, Slkhs also and everybody tvely esteen~eJirlend of mlnc - and sornetlmes they are crtlzen of thls country IS now lookmg fowards fh!s so cllfferent outslde. I do not know what happens Government and towards Mr Deve Gowda i would when they are inside - that we are not permanent request the Prime Minister and I am sure he will nllles here He is very much concerned that there 1s remembel Sir. I am also very much Impressed by 110 permanent alliance here So. let us have this what he sald In the beg~nnlngwhile moving the temporary alliance tor five years At least. I am Motlor, That shows h~shumillty but h~sflrmness and prcamred to keep my company with them here They Ills concern tor the people of this country I am sure will come nearer and nearer to me, I know, but it is in his great endeavour, he will have the support of better than having to stay w~ththe political snakes all saner sections of this Houso in the next five there He wanted to know what will be our attitude years to come. Sir, I would request the hon. Prlrne to this u.rea scam. We have said that this Government Minister to remember that he has a great duty not n!ust pursue it vigorously and I must congratulate only to provlde a pro-poor, pro-humane, transpalont 4 7 Motion of Confidence m JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 4 8

and progresslve adm~n~strat~onbut also to usher In priority in the agenda would be to solve the burning a progressive and econom~callystrong India He has problems of the people which you are all aware a heavy duty the unavoidable duty to remove the of ...(Interruptions) The agenda of this country cannot ccoulge ot communal~smand fundamental~sm from be building Mandirs or demolishing Mosques or lo ltie body pol~tlcof th~scountly Today let us all, who propagate of the BJP variety belleve In secular~sm,resolve to f~ghtagalnst the ...(Interruptions) Today, I am happy in a sense; fundamental~smand communal~smof the worst Shrimati Sushmaji, at least has done one good thing

'6 IV That we shall not rest unt~lthe last vestlges - the people are seeing your performance and the L,r III~t~~sc~srn goes out of the body polltic Slr Unity people are seeing the resolve of this side of the and ~ntegr~tyof the country and the people are too House, to take this country forward. Today we are ti' whrh cannot be left to the people whose united; the secular forces are united; the progressive c~~iiyt,~~jecl~ve seems to be dlv~dlngthe country s forces are united; the pro-poor forces are united. ~iti~tyand whose only am 1s to d~v~dethe country Those who are representing the workers, the 11 r ~j~v~dethe people of th~scountry on the basts peasants, the common people and the minorities In L t ~uliy~onWe cannot expect to go to the 21st century this country today are united for the purpose of w~thBalrang Dal and V~shwaHmdu Parlshad or for ushering in a new economic order in this country that rnatter w~thRSS They cannot provlde the and a new social order in this country. leadersh~pto th~scountry Sir obscurant~snicannot Mr. Prime Minister, you have our best suppott phre a sensible, pro people, human Gove~nment and our best wishes. I can assure you that so long 11 I. i ountry I am very happy that the machmatlons as this Government continue to implement the ot ,I v~tym~nuscule ni~nor~ty In th~scountry have not mandate as contained in our common programme, succeeded The BJP and the fractured Sanlata Party you shall have not only our support, but you will could not prov~deeven the mlnlmal support base In have the support of the country 'outside. Mr. this House I am happy that the secular and Chairman, Sir, Mr. Jaswant Singh,. .(Interruptions) plogresslve torces In th~scountry have come yes, because today he was very Jaswant Singh together to form the Un~tedFront That IS now the Jaswant Singh Mr. Jaswant Singh has been hop~ng only becaon of hope lor the teemrng mllhons of th~s that by setting Mr. Chidambaram against Mr. Murasol~ counlry The Un~tedF~ont has drawn up a common Maran, he will be able to score a point. But I found r-iilnlmum programme Mr Jaswant S~nghwas askmg, during the lunch, they have come closer, embrac~ng whether 11 wrll be common mlnlmum programme' 01 each other. Your efforts have failed, as your efforts nilnrnium common programme' in dividing the country have failed, as your efforts AN HON MEMBER . Or. 'common minimum in arrogating yourself the power which the people contradict~ons'? did not give to you have failed. Your future is doomed SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Or even to failure. Please realise that. conlradictmns', if ~t sat~sf~esyou. On the basis of Sir, I request the hon. Prime Minister to lead the that plogramme, thts country will be taken forward. country. We are all united to rmplement that programme. That IS the programme which has got the support of [Translation] the la~gestsect~on of this House and the people of SHRl SHARAD YADAV (Madhepura) . Mr. th~scountry Try you may, you will not be able to Chairman. Sir, I rise to support this Confidence succeed You cannot go on foollng the people for Mot ion ever SHRl DAU DAYAL JOSH1 (Kota) : Though you Sir I feel that thls 1s the perlod and thls 1s the are not included in the Cabinet of Ministers. t~rnefor consol~dat~onof secular and progresslve forces, now IS the tlme lot development of our SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Your party could not form country, and now 1s the t~mefor ach~ev~ngeconomlc Government even then you are speaking, then why progress and for prov~d~ngsoc~al justlce If there 1s I cannot speak if I am not included in the Cabinet. any person or body whlch w~shesto remain out of Mr. Chairman, Sir, in my opinion this Government th~smainstream or out of th~sgreat endeavour, they has not done any important work during last 12 days may choose to do so at the~rper11 The poor people, which could be discussed here in details. Hon. the backward, the workers the peasants, the Leader of Opposition was earlier Prime Minister. The unemployed youth of thls country and the oppressed debate is going on since he has presented and the suppressed humanlty have wa~tedtoo long, Confidence Motion, and now it should be concluded. they w~llnot wait much longer I would, at the out set, like to submit 'that hon. Mr. Prime Minister, that is why, I request you to Shri Jaswant Singh and Atalji have highlighted the see that their interests are protected and their Issue of internal conflicts in a very decent manner. problems are solved ...(Interruptions) Our topmost But it should be kept in mind that in 1989 also the 4 9 Mot~onof Confidence ~n JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Saka) the Councrl of Mrnisters 5 0

Government was formed by National Front with the something else. Our faces do not denote our real support of Left Front. It also enjoyed the support of characters For finding reasons, we will have to go BJP. in the background and reveal the h~storyof 90s to AN HON. MEMBER : At tnat time this party was know the facts. In India it is a struggle between not communal. liberal and fundamentalist H~ndus I would lrke ro say to my friends in BJP that ~nceptionof Liberal SHRl SHARAD YADAV : I am comllig to that point Hinduism has weakened the casteism and I would also touch the Issue of communalism and we fundamentalism and strengthen the country The all should think over it sincerely. numerology of 0, to 9 was discovered when caste We also enjoyed the support of Bhartiya Janata system weakened during Upnishad perrod Aryabtiata Party. In 1977, we all including BJP had formed belong to that perrod only. The seven sounds of Janata Party. Musrc system are also there. This National Front Includes Left Front. Telugu DR. MIIRLI MANOHAR JOSHl . Madam Desam, DMK, Assam Gana Parishad and Janata Dal Chairman, he says that Aryabhatta lived dur~ng Atalji had said 'People of different ~deologieshave Upanishad era. But Aryabhatta lived In the fifth come together.' century. Upanishad era is more ancient. Klndly enlighten me on the historical facts These people have not come together now but they did so in 1989 and 1977 also. We can say that SHRl SHARAD YADAV . Apart from the this country is irlhab~tedby people of different ~nform~tlonrelatrng to the above, ment~oned era I ideologies. There is a proverb. 'A: the king so are would also ask questions regarding our history and his subjects means thdt public reflects the qualitres our caste system of the king'. At the time ot inception of democracy in DR MlJRLl MANOHAR JOSH1 Please don t India, Mahatmaji had said that unde~the democratic create confusion about the Aryabhatta era. It has form ot Government till now the proverb. 'As the king been authenticated by science and hlslory that this so his subjects' will hold, good. But after era belonged to fifth century. The remaming questions independence the situation would be reversed i.e. can be deliberated upon later on ...(lnterruptmns) 'As the subjects, so the king or as the public so the SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Madam Charrman. I party and the Government. Today Natronal Front has would like to submit for the inlormat~onof Josh111 been renamed as Unlted Front The d~tterenceis that that with the advent of liberalism in lnd~anSociety much only that at that time ou~friends rn BJP, who were 08 in number, supported us and now Congress particularly in Hindu Society, the Gupta period and Maurya Period came into existence. When there is Party is giving support to us. I would like to know a sense of equanimity in the Hindu Society, the from my friends In BJP, why this equatron has liberalism takes place. Once it had happened, durlrig changed? How this 50 year old culture and the time of Chhatrapati Shivall and Saint blotherhood changed? Earlrer the concept of Gyaneshwar had come into prominence. But, at that Congress and non-Congress was developed. Now why it has changed in such a way? It was to change. time it was also dec~ded...( Interruptions)

14.55 hrs. 15.00 hrs.

(Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee in the Chair) SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN , Madam Chairman, he may say whatever he likes regarding lndlan Madam, at the time of freedom struggle also the history and Indian society, but there is a difference disputes between Hrndus continued Just now hon. of hundreds of years between Shivaji Mahala] of Antulayjl was calling it Communalrsm. Broadly it 16th century and Saint Gyaneshwar of 7th century can be called communalrsm. But if we think over this It would be better if he narrows down this big gap concept minuetly we f~ndthat Commtlnalism is not a ...(Interruptions) fight between Hindus and Muslims but for the last thousands of years a fight is going on among Hmdus SHRl SHARAD YADAV : There may be some itself, fight of Hindus-Versus Hindus means frght mistakes in my calculation. You may please rectrfy between liberal and fundamentalist Hindus which is it...(Interruptions) going on for the last 3000 years. Today 50 years SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN : There is a gap of after independence Liberal and fundamentalists are only 900 years, in your calculation and not much standing face to face. Atalji has left the House. I SHRl SHARAD YADAV : I said, 300 years ago. heard his complete speech or not? But I would like to tell him that ours is a unique country and Atalji is DR. MURLl M'ANOHAR JOSHl There 1s a also a unique person. Atalji talks about the soil of difference of thousand of years between the this country and we all live here and we all should Upanrshad era and the Aryabhatta era. It appears be aware of it. We all say someth~ngand practise that your knowledge about different eras has stramed. 5 1 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Councll of Mlnlaterr

Please rectlfy it and do not distort the facts about my frlends should not mind it ...(lnterruptlons) If they eras of Indlan history. .(Interruptions) mind it, than I will correct myself. The Prlme Minlster had aptly made a mention of fundamentalism here. SHRI SHARAD YADAV : Please listen to me He mentioned Shri Jawaharlal Nehru. This country SHlll PRAMOD MAHAJAN : You will get nothlrl,. attained independence due to the movement if you csntinued to mislead the nation on the bas~s launched by Mahatma Gandhl who adopted liberal of era approach, and also due to Ilberallam. Therefore, MH CHAIRMAN . Hon. Joshiji, will you kindly several stalwarts graced this House. Among them later on sometime start a class on this and today let were Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, who was Home the debate go on? Minister. Acharya Kriplani, Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia and others But the situation today is such in the DR MURLl MANOHAR JOSH1 l am ready for House (Interruptions) In this manner, they are that Madam but please stop h~mfrom dlstortlng the wasting my tlme. They are wasting the alloted seven dates and the hlstory of thls country Nobody should hours. I should get ajd~tionaltime. I am not disturbed br allowed to change the dates He IS connecting by yo111 interruptions ...(Interruptions) tyaneshwa~to Sh~vaj~and A~yabhattato Upan~shads Madam Cha~rman,as I said there were stalwarts and th~sIS preposterous People wlll be laughmg in th~sHouse I never said that b,;r are equal to their that such sort of statements are made I? thls august stature. I am a humble man, born In a pour !jmily. t1OUSP But, I want to say one thing that during the period ot jTrnns:a trnn] these stalwarts, discussions on poverty, hunger, unemployment, helplessness, haplessness, inner- SHHl SHARAD YADAV . It seems you do not contradictions, diseases etc. found prominent place want to pay any heed to my request and only want in this very House. But now, you have brought screen to d~vertme from that.. (Interruptions) If there.15 any stars, Sadhus and Saints .(Interruptions) In order to m~stakeregard~ng histo~~cal era, yuu may correct it. read the faces of the fundamentalists and the liberals , I. have been a science student. If any correction IS correctly in this House, we observe the biggest needed, please do ~t 1 have no objection I am only gathering of the Sadhus and Saints, such as, 'Chimta requestmg you. (Interrupt~ons) Baba', 'Ghanta Baba', Baltl Baba', during the past PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT (Ajmer) : You can six years. This House has turned into a Kirtan say whatever you like, but do not distort historical Sadan', ...(Inlerruptions) This House was constituted facts .(Interruptions) for the welfare of the public. It was constituted to discuss the problems of unemployment, hunger, SHRi SHARAD YADAV : I only want to say that helplessness and haplessness ...(Interruptions) whenever there was liberalism in lnd~ai.e., fanaticism in the caste system was wiped out, India SHRI VINAY KATIYAR (Falzabad) : These 'Chlmta progressed and ~t earned a prominent place in the Babas, 'Shankha Babas', 'Gadha Babas', got eiected history. to this House after three lakh Kashmiris were forced to flee Kashmir. They came here to strengthen the As far as the quest~onof alliance between you integrity of India'and to to see to it that there is and us is concerned, there may be a difference of equal respect for all in the country. At least, you five or two thousand years between Liberalism and should think and speak from this point of fundamentalism. .(Interrupt~ons) view.. .(Interruptions) Madam, Chairman, I can understand their SHRl GlRDHARl LAL BHARGAVA (Jalpur) : You feelings, because I have touched their sore spot. have named all the .'babas'. But you should have You listen to me. I have heard all the speakers of also mentioned 'Mauni Baba'. your palty. I am saying that how the gulf widened between you and us. You asked why we joined SHRI RASA SINGH RAWAT : You are making together. It IS slmple because it is a combination of derogatory remarks against the salnts. This is not l~beralHinduism or Ilbera!isn~...(Interruptions) good.. . (Interruptiond) SHRI SHARAD YADAV : Madam Chairman, now 'Bajrang Bali' has stood up. He IS the Chief of MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, please do not Bajrang Dal...( Interruptions) do that He has not yielded. SHRI VINAY KATIYAR . I have only reminded (Interruptions) you ...(lnterruplions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : Your standing up every now [English] and then will disturb the proceedings. MH CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members, please do not d~sturbhim. Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee has to speak St421 SHARAD YADAV : Madam Chairman. when and if necessary he will answer these points. I describe thls fundamentalism, in approprise words, Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 54

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please do not do that MR. CHAIRMAN : He has sa~dnothing (Interruptions) uparliamentary. MR. CHAIRMAN : NO, sit down, please. Sharadj~, (Interruptions) please contlnue and do not yield. MR. CHAIRMAN : PIBase, your speakers are (Interruptions) there, they will speak. You cannot do that. (Interruptions) [Trans la tion] MR. CHAIRMAN : You cannot interrupt somebody SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Madam Chairman, I want as you like it. to.submlt that a No-Confidence Mot~onwas moved in this House earlier also. Similarly, another Motion (Interruptions) ' has come up for discuss~ontoday. The debate is the MR. CHAIRMAN : No, this will not go on record. same. Thd crux of the discussion IS our diversity i.e. multi-lingual, multi-rellglous and multi-living [Translation] characteristic of our nation. There are inherent SHRl SHARAD YADAV Mr Cha~rman,SII the contradlctlons not orrly in Hinduism but in all order of the court was as per the provisions of the religions. Thls contradiction arises from association. Constltutlon The complex lncluded Babr~Mosque, In our democratic set up, there is unity in diversity Ram Chabutra, Sankat Mochan ka Mand~r,Slta Rasor and dlverslty In unity. When did thrs set up start and Kabrlstan Not even a single brck of these weekenlng. I have been seeing the Bharatiya Janata structurs should be replaced The quest~onwas not Party struggling against the Congress for the past related to the Mand~ror the Masjrd They had neither 50 years, ever since I became mature. However, gone tor the construction of temple nor had they Madam Chairman, this questlon arose when In 1990 gone to demollsh the Mosque They had gone to the court ordered that the Babri Masjid and Ram awake fanatrcrsm In Hrndulsm of the country If one Chabootra in Ayodhya. .(Interruptions) wants to see the freedom of our country In a concrete shape, whlch had come after thousands years of battle, ~t can be seen in our constltut~on Not only 'MR. CHAIRMAN : Please slt down, I am not the Babr~Masj~d and the graveyard was demollshed, allowing yo! certarn structures .of Hlndus have also been demollshed In that complex It was demollshed (Interruptions) sllently and he has clearly and silently sa~dthat the MR. CHAIRMAN : Please sit down. Nothing goes law can not bring any remedy for It It 1s related to on record. the prayer of God They wer going to1 the vote of cont~dence All of us have assembled here because they are not ready to accept the cons'rtutlon They [Translation] have lett such a questlon (Interruptions) He has sald so many times In th~sHouse that God or Ram SHRl SHARAD YADAV . Madam Chairman. in are relaled to the sentiments and the questmn of 1990 when Shri V.P. Singh was the Prime Mlnister sentiments can not be solved by teh constltutrop Mulayan) Singh ji was the Chief M~n~sterot Utlal Therefore they made rt an Issue for elect~on It did Pradesh, the programme of soclal change was not help them to wln votes anywhere (Interrupt~ons) launched on 7th August 1.1-0as per the provisions They are more In number (Interrdptrons) of the Constitution and later on th~schange or movement could have taken palce but to take SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : You have been reduced ,advantage of that movement, the order of the Court from 60 to 45 Has your number rncreased or regarding the Babri Mosque in Ayodhya and the Ram decreased'). (Interruptions) Chabutra.. . (Interruptions) [Engl~shj [English] MR CHAIRMAN : Hon. Member, if you go on MR. CHAIRMAN : What is this? Why are you doing like this, I will have to name you, Please do jumping everytime? I am not allowing you. not do that. (Interruptions) Shri Sharadji, your time is up, Please conclude. MR CHAIRMAN : Please, whatever is to be said [Trans la tronj your speakers will say, but please do not do that. SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Madam Cha~rman,please (Interruptions) listen to rne ...(lnterruptrons) -..- .- ' Not Recorded. ' Not Recorded 5 5 Motion of Confidence rn JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 5 6

MR. CHAIRMAN : Do not do like this there could not be a deciding war. It must be decided. I would like to submit to the hon. Colleagues (Interruptions) of Bhartiya Janata Party that they had mobilised all the parties to increase their number. They had taken the support of the Samta Party, and the Akali Dal to MR. CHAIRMAN : I am on my legs. Please sit form their programme. We have also made the down You cannot do like this Shri Sharad Yadavji, minimum programme but they do not have one face. please do not listen to the interruptions. Please When they speak here they show their liberal attitude continue your speech and conclude. but when they speak in Madras they show the different side of the coin ...(Interruptions) 1 Translation] PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT : They fanned SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : Madam Chairman, the casteism in Bihar ...(Interruptions) discussion here has been going on continuously Ram Janam Bhoomi and Babri Masj~dare very SHRI SHARAD YADAV : This battle between the controversial questions. The discussion has been fundamental Hinduism and liberal Hinduism has going on continuously for the last five years in this made it communal. The Hindus and the Muslims have House ..(Interruptions) been created. On behalf of the liberal Hindus, I would like to submit that this battle of number and majority SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Madam Chairman, it is between the Hindu versus Hindu and the just because of you that we could hear this otherwise fundamentalists, versus the liberal should reach at a they do not let us listen ...(Interrupl~ons) concluding stage ...(Interruptions) I would like to urge SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : This question comes up upon my friends of Bhartiya Janta Party that they he~et~me and again. Give us a chance also should come forward with unmasked faces to face (Interruptions) the battle. SHRl SHARAD YADAV : The belief in our country George Fernandes was saying what he has said . .(Interruptions) about this or that. The fact is that if his statement about the Janta Pqrty is taken up then it will be clear SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : Madam Chairman, we what he has said about them. The war between the had never been given a chance to speak on this fundamental Hinduism and the liberal Hinduism has Issue Please glve us a chance to speak on this been put on the heads of the minorities. This war Issue ..(Interruptions) This is the House should be decided here. (Interrupt~ons) The positive discussion has been going on here ..(lnterru; ,om) You were summoned by the hon. President You came here and the discussion'on the motion of MR CHAIRMAN . What is this? Do you know the confidence took place. You were very well aware of d~qnityand decorum of the House? the fact that you did not have the majority. It has (Inferruptions) happened for the first time in our History. The tradition was that the hon. Pres~dentused to call the largest party. It was also the tradition that be it Shri Yashwant Rao Chavan, Late Shri or Shri Sharad MR. CHAIRMAN The names are glven by the Pawar ...(Interruptions) My submission is that the Whlps and whoever IS In thewchair goes by that. parties had refused. Shri Sharadji, your tlme 1s up, kindly conclude quickly 15.23 hrs.

[Translation] (Mr. Speakei in the Chair)

SHRl SHARAD YADAV : Madam Cha~rman,I could Atal ji is a very senior Member. Today there is not speak. They have consumed the whole time. Such shortage of lime but l would like to submit that they a long time has gone In interruptions My submission should have a particular ideology. Various Ideologies to you is that th~sbattle is between the fundam'ental do not help in solving the problems of the nation. H~ndu~smand liberal Hinduism All of us. who have Therefore, a decision should be reached at .(lnterrupt~ons) assembled here today belleve in liberal Hinduism .. . The traditions of the liberal H~ndusare thousands [English] year old. This battle has not yet been decided. The motion of confidence will be passed today but this MR SPEAKER : Please conclude, Mr. Yadav. war will go on. Atal ji has rightly said that this battle Otherwise, no time will be left 'for your Party. IS not between belief and d~sbeliefbut it has been [English] going on for thousands of years. It w~llbe decided lot once in the country The fundamental Hinduism SHRl SHARAD YADAV : In our Government we will last long In our country since yesterday also have made a farmer's son sit here and have chalked 5 7 Motion 01 Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Councrl of M~n~sters 5 8

out a minimum programm,e. Whatever happened, we I would like to request you to listen to us calmly and have been continuing the war ...(Interruptions) If you quietly ...(Interruptions) You are saying that you have allow to do SO. You have bent upon creating got mandate to rule. I would like to ask which fundamental Hinduism in the country and have shown mandate have you got? You all had almost similar disregard to the Constitution even. After all this the manifesto when you went to the voters to ask fot the situation is that the war of poverty and starvation votes but some of the parties got 10 seats, some, 15, which has lagged behind, will be brought forward by some 20 and some 25 seats. We got 15 seats but I us. The hon. Prime Minister has said and I also, would like to say that we got the mandate In this being a responsible Member would like to submit change of power, because had already made an that anyone involved in corrupt practices. We would alliance wlth BJP, therefore, we say that our 15 not let any sort of corruption to be concealed and Members may be counted with 160 Members of BJP. try to unearth each and every case of corruption. We had chalked out similar programme before With these words, I support this Government elections and not after it just to grab the power. All and Motion so that liberals of India may wln, the the effo~tsmade by yoc are just to come in power. flght against corruption and hunger may be more Now, what about the co!:uption against which you severe and you may be exposed. I want to challenge had vowed to fight? Has that enthusiasm cooled here with this Motion of Confidence. down? Do you want to establish discipline in the country w~ththe help of those who are already SHRl MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR (Mumbai North- involved in corruption? Please tell us as to wh~ch WestJ : Mr. Speaker, Sir, after May this is my 28, forces, except corruption, are backing you? They second opportunity to speak on the Motion of have a number of scams like Bofors scam, Telephone Confidence. scam and today I read that Urea scam and many Democratic set up of our country has bestowed other scams are attached to them as stigma. You had upon the people the right of contesting election made promises before people at every place to f~ght against someone when the country goes to poll6. against corruption and dethrone the Congress Party. Now, the Motion brought in the House, deals with Wherever you went, you fought against the corruption the Confidence In the Coalition Government It is a of Congress ...(lnterrupt~ons).. Do not mentlon matter of gl-eat surprise that many leaders made great Thackerey ji's name. If you want to mention his name, promises to fight against corruption, to fight against please stand up first. I shall reply you He is not a ~njustice,to fight for the cause of the poor, to fight Member of this House If he had been a Member. to raise the standard of lwing of the poor and they then thlngs might have been different. I am talk~ng contested election against the Congress. It IS a to you here. Thackereyji has earned respect and praiseworthy step and nothing is wrong in it pride for this country. I would like to ask Antulay 11 and Sharad ji if they were secular? Had they ever It IS but natural that a party which has been ruling over this country for the last several years visited Kashmir? At present, three lakh Kashm~rl may Incut injustice. We also stood by you in the Pandits are residing in Jarnmu. Did you enquire about tight against corruption. their well being They are living like refugees In there own country. Is lhere no human~tyand We express our concern whenever any issue is secularism for them? Pakistanis and IS1 agents are taised regard~ngthe security of the country. responsible for this plight. Bangaladeshis and Pakistanis infiltrate our country and explode bombs [English] in Delhl, Mumbai and Calcutta and at many other What is sovereign in this country? This country places. Identify them first, only then you can rule the is sovereign or else power 1s sovereign; country in a proper way.

[Translation] [English] We have never discussed the present condition I became very happy when Hon Deve Gowdaji ot the country in which many persons are killed and was elected leader. He IS a good man. We w~llgreet shot dead daily buf none cares a fig for them. The any goodman if he is elected leader of the Coal~t~on main concern is to grab the power by hook or Government because at present the country IS In crook and for that purpose different parties went to dire need of a goodman who can work and look after the voters in the garb of different hue and colour. the country in a good manner. I would like to ask you Now, you have thrown away that deceptive garb and what is secularism? You talk of the Constitut~on I proclaim that you all are one and all are secular. You would like to state that every one in our country be were not secular when you contested the election it Muslim. Hindu or a person belonging to any . .(Interruptions) religion. I am ready to reply any question raised by you. They should be treated equally Why should there I have been listening to evey speech with utmost be any difference? Why should somebody be peace and never mterrupted your speeh. Therefore. considered' as a minority? That is my question to the 5 9 ~otionof Confidence m JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 60 entire House. All the citizens of this country are one Poverty is rampant at every nook and corner in and the same. All laws should be made applicable this country. The poor has become poorer and the to all the people and there cannot be any difference rich has become more rich. There is a rich person, . . .(Interruptions) 'Amir Bhai' ...(Interruptions) That Amir Bhai has been MR. SPEAKER : Please address the Chair. caught in Hong Kong somewhere ...(Interrupt~ons) (Interruptions) Who have brought brownsugar in this country? Who have brought this poison in this country? Have you [Translation] looked Into it? What happened to the guilty persons SHRl MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR : If they do not caught for this crime? Today in the morning, hon. Interrupt, I shall not come out with reply and if they Member, Jagmohanji has asked whether the guilty do so, I shall certainly reply. terrorists caught for thls crime, have been arrested and punished? In fact, you cannot punlsh them [Engl~sh] ...(Interruptions) SHRl QAMARUL ISLAM (Gulbarga) : Sir, I am on a polnt of order. Why has he talked about the [English] oppression of the minorities? The minorities have How will you control the entire nation? Where is come here to get the constitutional right and justice. your adm~n~stration?..(Interruptions) You are We ale not at the mercy ot anybody. What is the supporting them. You do not talk like that. nieanlng of this? What is meant by it? MR. SPEAKER : This is not a point of order. [Translation] Please read Rule 376 again. You are the persons creating dangers in our country. Dawood is your man...( Interruptions) The [Transla tion] supporter of Dawood are not outside. They are very SHRl MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR : Everyone much in this House. So there is no need to search should be given the r~ght,which has been ensured them outside. Therefore, I would like to say that you by the Constitution. It they are the citizens of our should care for the people, poor people of this country, they must get that right and we are ready to country and not for the people from outside countries. flght for their cause. But here in the name of minority, as if we have separate entity, enemity within castes Security should be provided at places where it is is talked about. The reason behind increase in needed. This situation should be improved. cruelty is the lust for power at any cost. You all are do~ngthis for power only. [Eng lis h] Here, two parties namely CPI and CPI (M) have We have been spending crores of rupees on the different ideology. Once, I have been working for security forces to provide security to the country. th~sparty, theretore, I know ...(Interruptions) What is th~sCommunism ...(Interruptions) 1 have for a long [Trans la tion] period worked with him When China attacked India, I would like to urge upon the now Government I left lhat party You made tall talks and here you say that if it w~sh...( lnterruptions) My opinion IS against that we are communal. Here they clalm that they are ~t.This coalit~onGovernment cannot funct~onfor a f~ghtingagalnst poverty I would like to ask them as long time . (Interruptions) and it it will functiori it does to what happened In Russia? What is cooking in not matter. But I know one thing ...(Interruptions) I Russia and China at present? You talk much about their ideology and teach us the same. trust them who are sitting in front of me ...(Interruptions) Thele IS no need to preach metaphysical knowledge In thls country The culture of our country [English] IS a r~ch.(/nterrupt~ons) Our country has a completely d~fferent ~deology I belleve that we can attaln the SHRl A SAMPATH (Chlllyankll) Mr. Speaker, h~ghest posltlon In the world by practlslng ~tcorrectly Sir, I have a point of order and honestly But corruption and br~berycannot he MR. SPEAKER . What 1s the rule ri~irrlber ii.:der to lerated There are people who support corrullts which you are raismg it? and there are also people who f~ghtagalnst cc t uptlon (Interruplrons) You are dolng that You SHRl A SAMPATH SII, the hon Member has art' supoportlng them to get power Noth~ngIS told (1nrnrrupt1or:s) cl P( tlonable In gettlng the power There IS no MR SPEAKER . It IS not allmvtr:! tr ~txlronIn facing elect~ons ~f held agaln because F. ~bl~cIS aware ol th~ssltuatlon as tti~sdebate IS b. tng telecast live Not only the entire counily but the whole world IS look~rigat 11 and l~sten~ngto our Ideology 61 Motion of Conl~dencein JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Saka) tho Council of M~nrsters 62

Hindus are fundamentalist. At least you do admit [Engllsh] that you are Hindu, linberalism or fundamentalism is a dlfferent thing ...(Interruptions) I never said that Then, we become communal minded people Hinduism is not in this country. This country has a When many Hindus had been killed in this country, culture of Hindus. Muslims and other communities not a single person including CPI and CPI(M) would not have been in this country if we were not Member over came forward and said these Hindus liberal. Hindulsm is already there. These problems had been killed. have been created by their presence in the country, [Trans la tion] The only reason for this debate and these problems is that we are deep in liberalism. We treat the people Mr. Speaker,...(Interruptions) So far as the point who come from outside, as our guests and in return of propriety is concerned, I would like to say that they take our bread, and cloth and even after that people who always imagined for property during their indulge in theft and explode bombs here. People of Ilk, aro now tnlklng of propriety here. Mr. Speaker, our country do not have the required quantity of food Sir, we all are the children of this country and it we houses and clothes. Lakhs of people infiltrate into are not allowod to raise our voice here our country and it is said that they are our people. ...(Interruptions) Whether it is against the interest of I was surprised to hear th~sin this august, sovereign. the country if we raise the matter of bomb explos~ons House. committed by Pakistani and Kashmiri militants here. Does It mean that we are not secular? Who is Secular It is countrary to our Constitution that let then? I agroe to what has been said just now by my thousands of people come Into our country and we would welcome them in our country. First, the people brother about equal treatment for every religion. We who are not getting food in our country, should be believe in brotherhood too. But the concept of brotherhood should be based on the fact that injustice provided with food then allow the persons from other should be considered at par whether it is agamst countries ...(Interruptions) People of our country do not have houses and live in huts. We cannot teach Hindu or Muslim. But in fact, what is happening? If them tor want of schools. In such a situation their injustice is done against any muslim it is proclatmed plan to settle lakhs of foreigners here is unjustified that brotherhood has ended ...(interruptions) as it will make the country poorer. Our country will [Engllsh] never tolerate it. Let us have a broad outlook, let us have a [English] broad thinking, let any. Government rule. At the same MR. SPEAKER : You were entitled to 11 minutes. time, wo should see that the entire country is ruled I have already given you 15 minutes You may speak nicely. That is very much Important. for four minutes more and raise one more point. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI P. SHRI B.K. GADHAVI (Banaskantha) : l am on a CHIDAMBARAM) : He says that people condemned polnt of propriety. only the killing of some people and not others. This is not correct. I do not think Mr. Vajpayee or any MR. SPEAKER . There is no rule of point of other leader supports this kind of a statement. propriety. MR. SPEAKER : I will go through the record

SHRI MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR , I never MR. SPEAKER . Let us not waste time. understood what he said and what his objection was SHRI B.K. GADHAVl : Please listen to me. Any . . . (Interruptions) speech which is violative ot the Constitution warrants MR. SPEAKER : You do not have to answer that. point of propriety. Anything which is spoken In this Please come to your conclusion. House which is totally against the tenets of the Constitution, deserves the point of propriety and you [Translation] will have to listen to me. This hon. Member is trying to create hatred between two communities and SHRI MADHUKAR SARPOTDAR : The therefore, it is a violation of the Constitution. Confidence Motion is here. Thirteen political parties Therefore, it is a point of propriety. You will have to have collectively formed the Government. Among stop it. them Congress is the major party as it has its 140 Members, earlier there were 136. 1 accept that they [Transla tion] may be 145. The question is that as much as they SHRI MUDHUKAR SARPOTDAR : Mr. Speaker, will attain power ...(Interruptions) The more will be Sir, I would like to raise one or two more points the scope for fraud. I would like to suggest you to .. (Interruptions) The Confidence Motion presented exorclse caution in their respect and rule the cotintry hsre ..(Interruptions) ideal. 6 3 Motion ol Conlrdence tn JUNE 11. 1996 the Council of Ministers 64

[English] integrity. That is only why we all have united against you If you think that some of :.. ., have come to become SHRI E. AHAMED : Mr Speaker, Sir, I want to Ministers ...(Interruptions) all t~ght,had they come to make a small submissiori. We 'have seen your fold, they would have become Ministers only communalism of many kinds But we.did not see and not the sentinels. You claimed that you did not communalism flowing like thls. Communalism was take recourse to suitcase politics but you went around flowing in his speech. It should not happen. It is not with a bowl...( Interrup+ions) Otherwise you would correct. have mustered a majority prior to meeting the hon. [Transla tion] President. You tried to take advantage of the office of Prime Miniter and entice the hon. Members wlth SHRI CHATURANAN MISHHA (Madhubani) : Mr. offers of office but the latter honestly declined your Speaker, Sir I rise to support the Mot~onof Cofldence offers moved by the hon. Pr~meMinistel. I support his motion because the country IS, today, laced with a I wished the veteran leaders of your party to dangerous situation and we have to dec~dewhether seriously contemplate over it because you are this country will remain secular or not? We llstened rendered untouchables by the people of the country. very keenly to what oul BJP and other friends said PROF. RASA SINGH 7AWAT : Count your own Why are they not giving serlous th~sught.tothis very heads. First peep Into yc~ur own fallacies. fact that even the smallest party of the country is not ready to lend its suppo~tt~ them desp~tetheir SHRI LHATLIRANAY MISiiRA Mr Speakel. SII, overwhelming triumph in the elections? Th~sis a In many countries of tl~eworld secular~smhas been very serious matter. i would not stop you rather I overshadowed by cre,ltlng rel~g~ousfanatlclsm The would welcome you if you try to shout me down in examples of Algerm ar . Turkey are before us It IS protest. For the information of thosc? ~hosay why not an Issue of nurnbr-6 Yru may succeed In flar~ng didn't we enter into a pre-poll alignment, here I must up the passlons an.{ a~ss~:ad~nga few Hlndus but tell you that postqool alliances ate also entered the counlry can not be run w~ththese tactlcs Thls into. Shall not we extend our hand of cooperation to was the flrst pclnt st unity among us Therefore you I+ IS you in order to defend our country I~Ithe event of a are wrong In saylng 'flat a negatwe alllance foreign aggression or when the coutitry's security is Ours IS a posltlve alllance almed at uphold~rig:be in jeopardy? Therefore, this argument is not justified. integr~tyof the cou!~lry and secular~smas well The substance of the argument is that our Secondly, our cnuntty . passing through a great constitution will not remain secular and this country phase of social and p::ltlical transition. While will disintegrate after the BJP emerges victor~ous.A speaking as the Pr!me Wi11ster. Shrl Vajpayee had theocratic state on the pattern of our neighbours- stated that Nehrl; ji once said In 51s convocation Pakistan and Bangladesh will be set up here as address that ours is an nflc?-old c~vilisation.That IS well. It IS to avert this dangerous situation that all quite true. But th~sclv~l~aa!mn of thousands of years the smaller parties despite thelr divergent ideologies has even witnessed sclr,,: good and bad thtngs. have come undel one umbrella, forgett~ngtheir Alongwith Rama and Sit? Ravana has also taken differences only in the interest of the country. This is birth here. Now, I would l~keto highl~ghtthe Ravana a great thing which you can't app.eclate. Our friends aspect. In Hinduism, 'Shudt-as' have been subject to in BJP have lost their credibility. inhuman atrocities for tho~sandsof years causlng a The hon. leader of the Opposttlon, Shr~Vajpayee divide in Hlndulsm. Thanks to the national movement 1s present here. He has glven an assurance In the launched for unlting them. Thanks to our saints and Nat~onalIntegration Counc~l10 the effect that the sages of the past who led this country against this Babarl masjid will not be demolished A slmllar religious inhumanity...( Interruptions) Let me complete assurance was glven by the then Chluf Mmister, yet, my speech. . Little time is allotted to our party. I have the mosque was demol~shed I have only to say that much to say if more time is given to us the whole country do~spol and wtll not belleve you ...(Interruptions) They were called Shudras. Is there (Interruptions) any other rellgion in the world in which its own Mr. Speaker, Sir, I hold Vaipayee i In high i>.c.teee people are termed as inferior and untouchables and I have also had the opportunity of wgrk~~gw~th him. prevented from visiting shrines? During 'Bhakti' era, They want that a nat~onaldebate shou!d again be our sages raised a voice against it. It is long before held on 'secularism' They may c:ger~~~rany member the Mandal movement. The new people could not make it because that was an era of autocracy. Now, of debates on 'secularism' as :' +v 1'. Lmf or7e thing is declded that one who de-rr~nld;:>es i~:rnple or there is the Parliament, the Supreme Court and the mosque has not r~ghtto talk abaut sec~~lar!~:m.This Government too is in their favour. They, for the first questicn has again come up fa; d?bdte It 1s not a time, have become conscious of all this. question of minorit,es or musl,rns ~,l-)nobtrt of the Mr Speaker, Sir, I have seen Gandhiji's entire population, nat~onalityana cohntry s unity and movement against untouchability. I have been 6 5 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (SEIK~~) the Council of Ministers 6 6

associated with the freedom strugg!e r~ghtfrom my SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : You are very childhood. At that time Dr. Ambedkar and we struggle much sharing it. to prop up and ameliorate the lot of Harijans and SHHi CHATURANAN MISHRA : We constitute now Harijans are themselves making the~rway only a small fraction. They are the de factorulers. ahead. Do not you see this transformation taking The state Government has to look after all the public place? Now they want to come in power. There is no interests, be that education, hospitals, irrigation, question of 'care of' as applied to Jagjivan Babu road etc but the Central Government will allocate and others. Now they want to share power and funds This was the confrontation is which people occupy a place of social equality. Are you blind to did not support you because you opposed the this transition? You are not in your senses. Let me provision of Articlo 370 regarding Kashmir giving tell you that the Mandal movement has set in motion the State some more autonomy. This attitude of yours a phase of transition in !his country ...(Interruptions) ... repulsed the reg~onalparties running the state O.K., I concede, I call Harijans as 'Dalits'. So, I must Governments who want more powers to be given to tell you that dalits are themselves making their way the States .(Interruptions) to progress. You should extend your support to this SHRI KARlA MUNDA (Khunti) : How many transition. You want to demoralise and oppress them hospitals and roads did you construct? Yours was a with the slogan of Hinduism. You want to confront Government of scandals. There was the urea scandal, and ruin them. They are not a saleable commodity the fodder scandal ...(Interruptions) This confrontation will equally affect the upper castes as they are in minority. The social justice movement SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : They are preaching us is also based on caste consederations but upper (lnterruptronsj casteism factor can not stop this movement. You may MR SPEAKER . Please sit down. You will get the oppose their basic move of bring~ngabout social chance to reply. equality. The country is not golng to disintegrate with SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : It Is petty to say it. That is why we do not support you. The Deva that cllsc~ss~onis focussed on Shri Deva Gowda but Gowda Government is In favour ol this great they say that discussion should be held on Laloo transition. Therefore, I support his mollon. Prasad. What can we say on such a petty thlng. They SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : How many dalits of your say that they are Hindus. Hindutva means national party have been elected to the Parliament? cultural re!~gion.Can we try to quarrel with you if ..(lnlerruplions) We have the largest number ot dalit you call an ass, a horse? Use the word that is Members in our party What are you saylng? relevant f!nterruptions) I will discuss with you on (Inlerruptrons) the point !hat why we consider you to be communal. Take a small quest~onYou had discussed on foreign. SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA The Congress nationals These include Hindus and Muslims. YOU had more dal~tMembers than your aarty In the last come with us to Tt~pura.We will show you lakhs of Lok Sabha ...(Inlerruptrons) You are ~:ot appreciat~ng H~nclus,who come from across the border. When this po~nt.In th~sconfrontatton, the country s dallts they speak, they speak on Muslims. What else should will emerge victorrous because they lorm a major we call you, 11 not communal? You are communal of part of our population and this country wlll be ruled the darkest hue.. (Interruptions) ... by majority. None of the BJP's veteran leaders said here that this 'Shaloka of 'Manusm~~iti'IS wrong. I KUMARI UMA BHARTI (Khajuraho) : You have have only heard Kanshiram ji saying that casteism repatr~ated the Chakma people ...(Interruptions) can't be eradicated in this country unless the dalits SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : Mr. Speaker, Sir, are uplifted. Why are you not able to utter a word may I tell one thing ...(Interruptions) about it? Some negatlve aspects in our scrlptures SHRl VlNAY KATIYAR : You are mislead~ngthe need to be reformed The country can be unlted and House. In tact, you have repatriated the Chakmas made strong by revitalising new forces. Therelore. . . . (Inlerruptrons) we do not support you but mstead support the hon. Prrme Minister, Shri Deva Gowda. SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : You are not an Inspector For this :he Speaker is there There is a third polnt which need to be looked . (lnlerrupr~unsJ into. We have ruled the country for a long per~od Ours 1s a federal system but there was cantralrsatron [English] of power whereas the Constitution provided for a MR. SPEAKER . You cannot get up every time federal system. Now, all the parties are runnlng the like this. Please sit down. You cannot Interrupt a Government. The State Governments are also run by Member hke this different parties. We are not directly runnlng a State Government but Shri Somnath is holding the reigns ('intarruptions) 6 7 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers 6 8

MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on record. [English] (Interruptions) ' MR. SPEAKER : Miahra ji, come to the point, please. 16.00 hrr. (Inferruptions) [Tra ns'le tion] [Transla tion] SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to say one thing. Today the BJP has given a MR. SPEAKER : What's happening. new aspect to Hindu culture, which I want to mention. (Interruptions) In the olden days, it so happened that from Raja- Maharajas to those persons leading a family life, SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : When some of used to attain the llfe of sages and saints on being their party members went against them, they had to disenchanted with the world. The BJP has brought take them of Khajuraho. Then should we go to the saints to this House after getting them Pakistan, then? Why don't you let me speak? disenchanted wlth the world ...(Interruptions) The second thing I want to say is about the way [English] they intend to use the chair and this is what happened MR. SPEAKER : Will you please sit down? This in Gujarat. Let them fix on the Chair so that missile is not proper. You are a very responsible Member. can not hit them. You cannot interrupt every time. Shri Chaturanan Another thing they want is a belt also so that in M~shra,please conclude now. You Party has eight old age by discarding clothes etc ...(Interruptions) For minutes. You have taken 15 minutes. that purpose they should get a belt from the Government. [Translation] MR SPEAKER . Mishraji, please conclude your SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : Sir, regard~ngthe Uniform Civil Code ...(Interruptions) speech. SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : Now I want to [English] make some subnlisslon regarding Uniform Civil Code MR. SPEAKER . Please l~stento me to you ...IInterruptions! (Interruptions) KUMARI UMA DHAfiTl : Mr. Speaker, sit, the MR. SPEAKER : You do not want me to reply. I hon'ble members are continuing with their do not reply to you. You stay on like this provocative remarks You tell them ...(Interruptrons) they should speak on tl,eir own views. (Interruptions) SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA . What our sages MR. SPEAKER : Shrl Chaturanan M~shra,please conclude. and saints had spoken on Uniform Civil Code ...(Interruptions) (Interruptrons) MR. SPEAKER . Please sit down [English] I will give you only certain quotations which w~ll be related to the Conrmon Civil Code. MR. SPEAKER : You cannot behave like this. Please sit down. Look here. I will go through the Now, I quote from the Radhakrishnan Reader. record. If there is anythmg ob!eclionable, it will not page 182 : form part of the record. Shri Chatirranan Mishraji, please conclude now. "In the Vedic age, the Aryan Hindu was called upcrn to give social recognisatron [Translat~on] lo the non-Aryan Indians, the Dravidians. the Andhras, the Pulindas ..." SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA They don't let me speak. I request you (Ir~terruprmrw)Now they Again, I quote from page 176 of Yagnavalkya w~llnot let me speak (Inte!rup(inr ,. wh~chsays : [English] "Whatever the customs, law and usages, these should be observed and followed MR. SPEAKER . Do no! .,asre ;,me by the King." (Trr ns la tion]

SHRl CHATURANAN MISL'RA flha: I want to In it 11 has been deptcted that the kings and the say 18 that they belong !Q :,L+ :I part\! (Intorruptionr) Government should not interfere in the Uniform Civil ------?- - - - Code. This was iilt? say of Yagnavalkya. Now I want ' Not Recorded to qlrott. E~ahaspathi-Brahaspati decleard : 69 Mollon of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministors

[English] [Tra ns la tion] "The time-honoured institutions of each SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : Since our country, caste and family should be comrade, Shri Chidambaram Saheb has become the preserved intact." new Finance Minister ...(Interruptions) It's good, you have become happy ...(Interruptions) what is the [Translation] meaning of comrade? DR. MURLl MANOHAR JOSH1 : Would you like Worldwide reforms and globalisation have been to bring Yagnavalkya and Brahaspathi in this House? adversely affecting the poor. I have got this, SHRI CHATURANAN MISHRA : Certainly. We 'American News Week' with me. I would llke to quote should like to bring, but not under your pressure. We from it so that the hon. Minister who is well versed are certainly bringing. They too have the right to in American System may keep it in mind in future. . come to this House...( Interruptions) This system has been instrumental in increase in SHRl HARlN PATHAK (Ahmedabad) : Similarly, poverty. the sages and saints have the right to come to [English] Parliament. "The populist backlash against killer SYRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : They certainly capitalism is no longer confined to the have...(Interruptions) United States. Durlng the course of debate it was raised that The United States is hardly the only place In the these people cannot fight against corruption. The Prime Minister has clearly stated that there would be world with 'killer capitalists' - and work forces antsy no compromise w~thcorruption. All the issues about job security. Nor is it the only place with a rnantioned in their manifesto have been covered in whiff of anti-establishment populirm in the air. Even the President's Address. Be it the case of Lokpal in Germany and Japan, the two countries most Bill, it is in our common programme. The matter of famous for cooperative relations between electoral reforms and other issues have also been management and labor, the hand-wrltlng about covered in our common programme. The issue unemployment and 'corporate responsibility' has relat~ngto withdrawl of discretionery power of the begun to take on an 'us versus them' tone." Ministers has been discussed here. They said that This is the experience of the whole world. they would not remain in power for long and as they MR. SPEAKER : Thank you. are not astrologers, they can not make any predictions. Anyway you had your 13th (teerhvin), [Transla bon] we will have our 40th (chalisvan)...( Interruptions) But as long as Shri Antulay and Shri Narasimha Raoji SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : The last pomt ... decide not to withdraw support, we would complete MR. SPEAKER : What la3t point is left after you five years by that time. Therefore, we are with them. have made your concluding point. [Eng /ish] SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : I am quoting from 'Mid-term Appraisal' of the Planning Commission MR. SPEAKER : You have made your point which was not published by the prevlous Conclude now, please. Government. [Transla tion] [English] SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA : I conclude my "The Expert Group on Poverty Estimates speech with one more point at the end however, suggested a revision In llre ...(lnterruptions) you do not give us time, it would methodology, and on the basis of the have been better of you did so ...(Interruptions) revised methodology estimated that 39 9 AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Did you percent of the population, equivalent to (Interruptions)' not send a dhoti to ...(Interruptions) 313 milion people, were below the poverty SHRl CHATURANAN MISHRA . (Interruptions)' line." started a hunger strike in your stomach This is the result. ...(Interruptions)

[English] Our Government should pay attention towards MR. SPEAKER : Do not name the Member the upllftment of the poor, llvlng below the poverty please. You can not name a person who is not here. llne and prepare Budget accordmgly I hope Shr~ This IS not the rule. ---. -- .- Oeve Gowda will make statement to this effect My ' Not Recorded. party's support in lh~sregard, will be w~thh~m 7 1 Motion of Confidence rn JUNE 11. 1996 the Council of Ministers 7 2

[English] 142 seats and BJP has obtained clear verdlct of the people to form the Government with 160 Seats. They MR. SPEAKER . Now, Shri Rajesh Pilot should be aware of the fact that their party was [Transla tion] actually leading in only 142 Seats and 18 Seats came to thelr lap due to loud proclamations made by SHRI RAJESH PILOT (Dausa) : Mr. Speakar, Sir, the press people BJP is coming to power. Even in I rise to support this Motlon As all my colleagues such a situation, the Congress has managed to get have said, it is true that the congress party 28 percent votes, which perhaps, your party has not , .(Interruption.,) been able to get. So far as the percentage of votes SHRIMA'TI , MI Speaker, Sir, is concerned, the congress has got more percentage what is this sequence? . of votes but so far as the number of seats is concerned, your party has certainly bagged more [English] seats. However, you have presented a different

SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN , Sir, what IS the picture before the House. sequence? The second point raised was as to why did we MR SPEAKER . I am golng exactly accordmg to support them? While moving the Motion, Atalji spoke the strength of the different parties frankly but under compulsion. While replying to the SHRl RAM NAlK . Sir, only one speaker from the Motion, he spoke by heart and gave free vent to his BJP has spoken. grudge At that time he was not under compulsion. He has said ti~athe would express his inner feelings SHHl PRAMOD MAHAJAN How can the openly and we l~stenedto his speech attentively. A Congress speaker come when only one speaker from questlon 1s bemg asked in the whole country as to the BLIP has spoken? The SP(::J~~round, wtl must why the Congress did not support the BJP? When start . (Interru:,t~on.z,I the Congress party had its meeting after elections, MR SPEAKER I aw asking Shrv Sena Members a questlon was raised as to wh~chparty should get to speak. 11s support Today, I am saying it wlth open heart and (Intetrupt~ons; In simple language that we do not want that the BJP shoula he treated as an untouchable party In the SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN . No Sir, yo~rhave country Ours IS a democratic country. We appreciate allowed this man You shruld not deduct our Pa:!!: r that to th~EJP has emerged as the largest party by t~me.Their second round comes aVer us baqqlnq 160 seats But, as Shr~Mishra has sad In

MR SPEAKEP I w~ltrvrtn1rSv g~v~ ypu ;I h~sspeech the quest~onIS why the thmgs have taken chance after :h15. KLlMARl UMA RHARTI : Please address the Ch;i!r. [Translation] SHRl HAJESH PILOT : Sometimes, I yearn tor'a SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWApA.! Mv 113rn(?comer. aftel the second speaker of Congr&~..; SII Our colleagues must thmk as to what led the [Engltsh] thlngs to take such a turn It is true that we have SHRl RAJESH PILOT SI!, 1 can .peak I.iter on been Opposing our frlends now now in trpasury if the BJP IS so keen to speak benches At present, Shri Deve Gowda is tne Prlme M~n~storbut we have been opposlng his party in SHRl PRAMOD MAHAJAN ! am not pw -.(nail) Karnataka Our party has been contesting elections object~ngto your speaking. 7 here muc.1 be ?om.-. k~nd in B~haragalnst Shri Laloo Prasad Yadav's party. 01 a rule. S~mila~ly,cur party has been contesting agalnst CPI SHRl RAJESH PILOT S!I dr ! ?pc?ak'j (M) In West Benqal The reason behind it is that MR SPEAkER v~s,pl!!;!r;e 1 )flay, the unlty and ~nteqrt'y ot tho country IS in l;ln?e: A qucstlon IS belng asked ~f our country can [Translat~on] !ilrl) iln i~n~tedor not? I would llke to ask my I I 75 to which dlrectlon our country IS SHRl RA<;ESH PILOT MI S1)ef:~t. . , .,e 1;; I I 1 ' L'ntortunately our country IS golng In speak In s,.lpport of thlx Mctl::~ hnj . ,d, t -I 06. . I 1 *.t~onWhen Dr Ambedkar had framed been expressing ttie~r vlsvu< :In(.- r ,Y: a~r:~ tPr ~~I.IC~I+111011 ~t was mentioned In the Preamble almost every speaker h-I: 23,~::ha! ;p, t. f,nie l~w~t~!i~. !ii;i! I:: .- cour,!r~will be a "sovereign, Socialist, have not given a clear ;F',: .' !I, *-.I,, : ..' any ! . , >I-::dcnlocrat~c republic" ...(Interruptions) particular party to form th~.:.i~~l'iil?-!?! ,' s :,(,I only my oplnlon hut al5C !!i+i~~iU, " :.: :ti-? r~-o[)i+ !~t-lFil PHAMOC) MAtIAJAN Mr. Speaker, Sir, I In the whole counrry The,@?. no I,, l.l,c:-~:~c',ir ~hu would I,k&. ts rntorm the hon Member that it was not

polnt ralsea by the Menibel; :)1..1.:1.i''>j ,: :'a, :; th;i: w~ltteri~:y Arritreakarj~ Do not drag h~sname

the Cong:oss party ha:; brc:rt ILI: I.), .:I,~;I with 7 3 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Saka) the Councrl of Ministers 7 4

SHRl BHAGWAN SHANKAR RAWAT (Agra) : Mr. Mr. Speae~,Sir, the question is not of 1989-90. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member is misleading the As I had said in the beginning, there is a difference House. What he has Just quoted from the constitution, between both the parties. There can be a flaw in our was not written by Baba Sahab Ambedkar. policy, but our intentions are bona-fide. They neither . . .(Interruptions) have .bona-fide Intentions, now any proper policy. I beg pardon of Atal ji that unless the intentions are SHRl RAJESH PILOT : ! want to say that the clear- how so ever good the policy may be, the country, which is known for its secular credentials in implementation cannot be fair. Once you make your the world over, is discussing secularism in its intentions clear, the things will at automatically be Parliament. It is a matter of great shame for the decided. I will be speaking on the a scam also. After co\:li:ry. India, which takes prlde in calling itself a bagging, Jhansl Lok Sabha seat, they became secular nation, it today discussing secularism in its optimistic of getting more seats . Consequently, the Parliament. issues of Ayodhya. Kashi and Mathura were raised Sir, I still remember the speech of late Pandit and they managed to win 119 seats. With this Nehru. He had visited a Muslim Country. The increase in their strength, they thought that there President of that country asked him ~f he remembered was no good issue than that There was no mention any incident which had taken place in the recent of development. Shri Chandra Shekhar had rightly stated in this House on the other day that the issues past, in which atrocities had been committed on the related to the Parliament have not been discussed Muslrms of his country. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had for the last three years. The whole time of the House replied to the President that the total population of is belng wasted on other issues Mandir, Masjid and Muslims In his entire country was not more than the secularism. He had rightly expressed his feeling that population of Muslims in one state of India. Therefore, we have not been able to discuss anything regarding India protected the interest of Muslims more than his development. country. This was the reply of our late Pr~meMinister. This shows how much regard the world had for our Atal ji has been elected from Lucknow. Around late Prime Minister and our country. But today, which 29 percent people in his constituency live in Kachcha house. In my Constituency the percentage of such direction our country is heading to? People used to people is even more. Today, about 39-40 percent touch Pandit Nehru because he was the Prime people live below the poverty line ...(Interruptions) Minister of such a country where people of different But they did not bother about rt. With their morale religions lived and spoke d~fferentlanguages Our sky high, they banked upon this slogan to reach the country commands good respect in the world but figure of 260. In order to give a new turn to the today the need of the hour is to see that in which situation, the BJP announced the name of Shri Atal dlrect~onour country is heading to? Biharl Vajpayee as the Prime Minister. There are I would like to ask Shr~Atal Bihali Valpayee-he very few parties in a democracy, which announce is llke my elder brother-as to where our country is the names of their Prime Minister before hand. There heading to? I do not consider him as my 'Guru' was a deft move behind it i.e. the face was of Atal because there are people who conslder him their ji and the agenda was of Advaniji. People soon understood their tr~cks.I beg pardon of Atal ji. After 'Guru' but do not stand by him at the time of need. his nomination as the Prime Minister. Atalp made his Therefore, one should be straight forward. first statement at Flrozabad. I stand for correction if Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to tell Shri Atal I had read it incorrect He had said that if he becomes Biharl Vajpayee that we had seriously pondered over the Prime Minister, the temple construetlon will be the Motion of Confidence moved by him as well as restarted soon. Firozabad is a city U p There he h~sspeech and we fell in our hearts, as to why were stressed on the issues of Article 370-wh~chthey have we committing this mistake. I know, that those people been ralslng for the last 10 years-and the Uniform who have joined that party today, belonged to our Civil Code. But, as a Prime Minister of the country, party earlier. Shri Banwari Lal Purohit had been in he stated that there was no hurry in undertaking our party for 10 years and now he has joined that construction of the temple and Artlcl~370 is a party. It has been observed that those people who secondary issue During his visit to Kirshmir, his belonged to our party earlier, start speaking hke the party had maintained just the same I~ne.Their forum of Communal~smsoon after jolnlng them outbrusts over Article 37G have caused : !ieavy loss in Kashm~r.Today a number of my cclc-agues from MI. Speaker, Sir, I am not making gestures J and K were talking about the situatlcn &'I Kashm~r. towards anyone but I would llke to tell that they I wanted to rise in between, to say tha! lrrespl?ctive should, at least, thlnk that when we were In majority, of Hindus, or Muslims of Kashmir, the Govel?ment they had only two Members in this House. In 1989. made all efforts to safeguard them a!);! taxtend :LII a Rath Yatra was organlsed. It was given wide help to them. Following the tradittons A8e I t'1pt.d publ~c~tyand as a result, their strength rose to 86 them by visiting migrants camps Lo no'! get (lnterruptrons) pricked. .(Interruptions) 7 5 Motlon of Conl/doncr In JUNE 11, 1906 the Council of Minlstrrs 76

SHRl DAU DAYAL JOSHl : Ha8 any of tho Prime [Translation] Mmister of your Government vlslted Ka8hmlr? Not only thls, an assurance was also glven in SHRI RAJESH PILOT : Mr. Speaker, Slr, I would the Supreme Court, and in the'NIC meeting. When not like to drag this Irsue. Shrl Atal Blharl Vajpayee I was speaking on 4th December, Advanl ji and Atal Is present here. Shrl Advanl Is not here. The way ]I were present there. I had returned from Lucknow they went to Kashmlr was unprecedented. I war a where I had heard the slogan being raised from a Minlster in the Home Mlnlrtry. Thoy inslstod that they rlckshaw- would unfurl the natlonal flag ...(lnterruptlonr) Shrl Ek Dhakka Aur Do, Murli Manohar Josh1 Is present hero. I had commlttod Masfid KO Tod Do. a mlstake then. I was then the Mlnlster of Communications and DR. MURLl MANOHAR JOSHl : DorpRo your all was speaking from that side. out ettortr, I reached there. Shri Shlvra) Patll the then Speaker, had said that SHRl RAJESH PILOT : When th@ lrrue of the being the Minlster, I did not have a right to speak. I vlslt came up ...(lnterruptions] had then requested the hon. Speaker to let me express my feelings as I was disturbed over the [Eng lkh] incident. I had requested both of my colleagues to MR. SPEAKER : Pllotji, klndly conclude. glve an assurance before the House that they will not let the incident repeat. No one among them had SHRl RAJESH PILOT : Just flve mlnuter more stood up because their intentions were malafide. please, Slr ...(lnterrupfions) I am withln my tho limlt. Today I would like to urge upon my brothers that had Sir, my party has a tlme in the roglster. it lr tho tlme thelr Intentions been .bonaflde the country could not of my party. a have followed thls path and poverty had been the MR. SPEAKER : I have to accommodate all the topic of discussion before the House. However, it Members in the list. You have only tlttoen mlnutor. was not so. i would like to urge upon Atal ji ...(lnterruptions) Atal ji you are a senior Member and [Trans la tion] today, we feel that it you take an initiative the other - brothers of Bhartiya Janata .Party can follow you. ' SHRl RAJESH PILOT : The way Shri Murli feel Atal ji's heart yearns for something but he has Manohar Joshi reached, Jammu and tho way tho hls compulsions. I used to speak to him occasionally. national flag was unfurled mlght have rurprlrod He has something in his mind but he has no support. even Joshiji. Shri Jaswant Singh and Atal ji should jointly invite The nation cannot be strong merely bo unfurllng Shri Manohar Joshi and Advani ji for a breakfast and the flag. He had raid the same thing In .Bangrlore. call upon them to change their hearts. it is imperative I beg pardon of Shrl Deve Gowda, who lnrlrtod that for the welfare of nation. There is a need bring such they would unfurl the trlcolour at ldgah In Karnrtaka. a secularism which is liked by the country, by us and The country cannot be strong by unfurling the flag at by the Bhartiya Janta Party...( Interruptions) Idgaha. The national flag,of lndu I8 fluttorlng on our [English] borders, where our brave soldiers are rtaklng thelr lives for the securlty of the nation. Tho natlonal flag MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude. is required to be unfurled on borders. Thore I6 no [Translation] need at all of unfurllng tho flag at ldgah ...(lnterruptlons) Mr. Speaker, Slr, Mishrrji ha8 rpokon SHRl SATYA PAL JAlN (Chandigarh) : He has clearly on thls point I would not llke to ropoat what spoken against Advani ji, who is not present here. It he has already stated but the fact is that tho words Is not proper.. . (Interruptions) by which the nation has been deceived and the word8 KUMARI UMA BHARTI : He has mentioned the which made this nation strong, our Chlof Mlnlrtor name of Advani ji several times ....(lnterruptlons) had remarked- [Engllsh] [English] MR. SPEAKER : No need, you will only have to "Pending a final solution, the Qwornmont conclude now. of Uttar Pradesh will hold Itself fully [Transla tion] responsible for the full pro!ection of Ram .lanarnbhoorni-Babri Masjid Structtlre. Also SHRl RAJESH PILOT : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have as per the order ot the Court, in regard to two polnts ...(lnterruptlons) the Land Acquisition, the procedure would I urge upon not to differentiate between the policy be fully ~mplemented". and the intention ...(lnterruptions) 77 Motlon of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 7 8

AN HON. MEMBER : Mr. Speaker, Slr, if such Thirdly, your joint programme ...(Interruptions) personal allegatlons are levelled then everyone wli Vidarbha, Uttrakhand and Bodoland issues are also repeat the same. Please ask him to withdraw involved. But the second thing is that when you were ...(Interruptlons) the member of Parliament, you had made a speech SHRl GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali) : When the on the farmers. The only request that I will make to Supreme Court gave its verdict then what was your you is that you should implement fully what you had policy or the intentions ...(Interruptions) mentioned in that speech of yours. I demand nothing else from you. That day you were speaking from the SHRl RAJESH PILOT : I am not saying that all of back bench and members paid less attention to it. our policies were right ...(Interruptions) But I was attentive. I heard your full speach You spoke on the subject for about 40-45 minutes. India [English] can only progress if the rural areas prosper. I have MR. SPEAKER : Please let him conclude. also studied your Joint Programme. It reflects your (Interruptions) concept of rural development. But sorry problems of the farmers viz according agriculture the status of MR. SPEAKER : Please let him conclude. I will industry, and the progress of farmers, have not been go through it. explicitly mentioned therein. On behalf of our party and the House I would request you to express it [Trans la Mon] explicitly. SHRl RAJESH PILOT : My colleagues were Lastly, I would like to touch the urea issue. Our saying what my Government was doing party rema~nedin power for five years, under the ...(lnterruptions) We are sitting here because it was leadership of Shri Narasimha Rao. It is my explicit our Government. Else, we would have been sitting request to you do not take it otherwise - I am being there ...(Interruptions) I will not speak about BJP forth right, that for all our shortcomings, where ever ...(Interruptions) I have to say a few things to our it has been, we are ready to face the Parliament. hon'ble Prime Minister ...(interruptions) The urea issue was mentioned. You said any one found guilty in the scandal would be punished. [English] However, the Enron issue was also mentioned. MR. SPEAKER : Allow the hon. Member to When I was the Minister of Environment and conclude. Forests, the file relating the Enron was submitted to [Trans la tion] me for clearance. I personally recorded a note on the file to the effect that the file would be cleared by SHRl RAJESH PILOT : The Prime Minister the new Government. But within six days, understands the circumstances which brought us environmental clearance was given. It should be together ...(Interruptions) I will request the hon. Prime mentioned in the white paper that anayone found Minister...( Interruptions) now, I am speaking in your guilty in the Enron case would be punished. Today favour. Shri Jaswant Singh ji spoke about nuclear Shri Narasirnha Rao is not present in the House. treaty in the morning. It is true that the way in which But, it has been his consistent principle that no one the super powers are increasing pressure on our Is above the law, no matter how big he is or how country or trying to shake our faith in the policy of high his post is. He always said this, while in power. disarmament. Bhai Gujralji is also sitting here. His Thus, anyone found guilty should be punished. views are very right. In this regard, I would like to add that the Parliament should send an unanimous The entire House is with you. We have no message that our policy will remain unchanged. We differences with you regarding the fight against believe in disarmament and we would continuously corruptlon. Just as we are with you to protect strive for it. I welcome that decision also and I am of secularism, we are,also with you in the fight against the opinion that we should do this. Now, is it alright? corruption. In this context there is no difference between us. I would like to say few things to the Prime Minister. Firstly, Mr. Prime Minister, the discussion With these words, I support this motion and I regarding the reorganisation of the states, have been wish success to Deve Gowdaji. I also wish that God going on for long. After 10 years we felt it should be grant him strength and courage, so that he succeeds analysed in depth. There were the problems of in this mission. Jharkhand and Bodoland. With immense labour we SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ (South Delhl) : Mr. managed to solve them. Similarly, talks were held Speaker, Sir, the discussion today on the confidence regarding Uttrakhand. You should take initiative in motion began with the very brief speech of the Prime the direction of starting a debate regarding the Minister. Then It was carried forward by the pointed reorganlsatlon of states. arguments put forth by my senlor colleague, 7 9 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1896 tho Council of Minlstors 80

Shri Jaswant Singh and after touching upon various 16.38 hrr. dimensions, comes my turn. I rlse to oppose the (Shri Nitlsh Kumar in the Chair) confidence motion. Posing as secular and brandlng us as communal Each Speaker began the discussion by all of them have united. On that day, my leader had interpreting the mandate. Contradictory said a national debate should take place on interpretations have been put forth, regarding the secularism Vs communalism. We want a national mandate. The ruling party viewed the mandate in debate on the type of secularism vlsualised by our favour of the coalit~onGovernment. it was asked by constitution makers and the way it was fostered by me whether this mandate was for a coalition, with the rulers of this nation. We are communal, Yes, we the Congress? This question is yet to be replied. I are. Because we advocate the singing of "Vande expect the Prime Minister to begin his reply tomorrow Matram". We are communal because we fight for the with the question, whether the mandate was for a honour of the national flag. Yes, we are communal, coalition with the Congress. because we demand the abrogation of Article 370. Mr. Speaker, Sir, you may accept any view on Yes, we are communal, because we are against Cow the interpretation of the mandate. Hitherto, there used slaughter .. (Interruptions) Mr. Chairman, Sir, yes, we to be a single party Government in this House, the are communal, as wc klk of Uniform Civil Code. We Opposition used to be divided. But today, the are communal, since we feel th~pains of Kashmiri Government is divided and there is a united migrants ...(Interruptions) Mr. Chairman, Sir, they are Opposition. Does not this fact itself reveals openly secular. These people who massacred three thousand the violation of the mandate? But, Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sikhs in the streets of ...(Interruptions) Mr. it is not the flrst tlme In hlstory that the deserving Chairman, Sir, you are witness ...(Interruptions) candidate has been prevented from coming to power. SHRlMATl BHAGWATI DEVl (Gaya) : Am I not The same this happened to Lord Ram in the Treta Hindu, I was prevented from entering the temple age, Immediately before coronation he was exiled ...(Interruptions) Similar was the case with Yudhisthar in the Dwapar age. He was denied his rlghtiul inheritence and SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : For the sake of exiled by the machinations of the wily Shakuni. If information let me remind that Bhartiya Janata Party Manthra and Shakuni singly could keep Ram and had the Shilanyas of the 'Ram Mandir' done by a Yudhisthar away from the11 rlghtful inheritence, how Harijan woman ...(Interruptions) I was saylng that could we remain in power when there are numerous these Congressmen are secular. The Congressmen Stiakunis and Manthras ...(Interrupfrons) responsible for the massacre of three thousand Sikhs in Delhi are secular. Mr. Chairman, Sir, you are aware [English] of what happened in Bihar. By forgoing an alllance of Muslims and Yadavs ...(Interruptions) The Janata MR. SPEAKER Don't make your speech so Dal is secular. To consolidate their vote bank interesting. . .(Interruptions) I am sitting. You let them speak ...(Interruptions)

[Transla tion] MR. CHAIRMAN : You speak. (Interruptions) SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Perhaps it is the fate of Ram Rajya and 'Suraj' that it is attained only SHRl CHANDRA SHEKHAR (Ballia) : Mr. after a great upheaval. Therefore, with full Chairman, Sir, I do not know how many Speakers confidence I want to say that on the afternoon of are functioning in the House. I was only requesting 28th when my respected leader, Shri Atal Bihari you that when a member is speaking in the House, Vajpayee, announced h~sresignation from the Prime then other members, at least people like us should Minister's post in th~sHouse, the way was cleared be allowed to hear hislher views. I do not know why on that day for Ram Rajya in lndia The foundation they are speaking in anger. I saw some very angry was laid on that day for Swaraj. members ...(InterrupHons) Mr. Chairman, Sir, what I am saying is that Sushmaji is speaking. Her views Mr Speaker. Slr, on hearlng about his should be heard and those who want to reply, should ieslgnation, In the live telecast of the Proceedings 01 do so. My submission was that this is not the proper the House. the voters of lndia cried out in sorrow It forum to discuss Shri Ram We are in the House. You was unjust, it was unlust. Rut the perpertraror of should understand its importance ...(Interruptions) inlustlce nevet accepts that he IS doing lnlustice Such perperatois lrv 13 p~etei~dto he the gleatest up MR. CHAIRMAN : Shrlmat~Sushmaji is speaking. nolder 01 I!IS?I~C :)y arltlarc~rlqtheir ,/ested ~iitpres! Only her speech will go on record. Nothing else will undel the qarn, pol~t!c$of pitnc;ple iht.; is wliat has go on record Those speakmg without permission happened in th~sHouri. will not go on record. 8 1 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 82

SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Thanks a lot. If culture? What are Bharat, Bharatiya and Bharatiyta? this wisdom shown by you is understood by the enq're I felt, perhaps someone among them will speak. House, then I would be able to speak with There was a hope certainly in Shri Chandra satisfaction. Shekharji I don't know why, like the meeting of the I was saylng ...(lnterruptions) Kauravas, you also kept mum like Bhishma Pitamah MR. CHAIRMAN : Speak when your turn comes. ...(Interruptions) Thls will not be allowed. [English] (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : No, she is not yielding. Every MR. CHAIRMAN : Your turn will come after her. now and then you get up and start speaking. What Sit down. Do not waste the time of the House. She is this? Pleas3 take your seat. has the right to express her views ...(Interruptions) [Translation] SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, sit, if any member in the House has objection on using SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, Sir, the word Harijan... with great respect, I would like to tell my colleague MR. CHAIRMAN : Alright. There is objection to Mr. Murasoli Maran that there is no need to ask the the use of the word Harijan. Alright, write Dalit meaning of Bharatiyta, any where. The meaning of Instead of Harijan. Bharatiyta is that from Bhangra to Bharatnatyam all are the dances of India only. The meaning of SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Alright. H any Bhartiyto is that various foods from rajmachawal of hon'ble Member in the House has objection on a Jammu and Makki Ki roti of Punjab, to idlidosa of particular word, I have no objection in substituting South aro the foods of India. Bhartiyata means that that with another word. Those recording the all places of pilgrimage right from Amarnath to proceedings kindly write word Dalit in place of Rameshwaram are all places of pilgrimage of India. Harijan ...(Interruptions) Now you ask the meaning of culture. MR. CHAIRMAN Please do not conduct the proceedings of the House yourself Listen to her. [E ng/is h] SHRiMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : MI Chaman. Sir, THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY (SHRI MURASOLI are the Members of the Samajwadl Party secular MARAN) : Potatoes and tomatoes are not Indian, who is order to keep the~rvote bank Intact, ordered they originated from America. Your originality comes the forces to gun down innocent Ram-bhaktas? Are from America. these Communists who are responsible for the expulsion of the Chakma refugees, and tor [Transla tion] supporting those who favour the settlement of the SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ . The meaning of infiltrators, secular? Fact is that, we do no1 feel guilty culture is that a devotee of Shiva Carries holy water of being Hudus. Therefore we are communal. As from Amarnath to worship at Rameshwaram. This long as you do not feel guilty of being Hindu In this has been possible due to one culture. Mr. N.C. country, you will not be called secular by these so Chatterjee of Bengal names his son Somnath which called intellectuals ...(lnterruptions) MI Chairman, our is all due to one culture ...(lnterruptions) difinition of being secular is that a Muslim should be a good Muslim, a Hindu should be a good Hmdu, a SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Now she has Sikh should be a good Sikh and a Christian should made me the target. be a good Christian. And all should follow their SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : This is called religion and respect others' religion. This is our definition ...(Interruptions) For them (Members) culture and I need not consult any dictionery to locate secularism means abusing Hindus. You cannot be its meaning. Our House is its appropriate example. secular unless you subscribe to their views It is very clear that all these parties have not come ...(lnterruptions) I want to say that this definition of together in the name of communalism. They are using secularism is not acceptable to us Mr. Chairman, this as a cover. The fear of exposure of their crimes Sir, previously question mark was put on Hlndutva has brought '{hem together. This commonness IS the also People used to ask ~tsmeaning Mr. Chairman, commonness of fodder scam and Hawala scandal Sir, during the previous discuss~on011 the confidence . . . (Interruptions) motion, there were tears In my eyes when question malk was put on the word R!lit~atiytaitself (English] .. (Inlerruptions) Hitherto, it was sail that one can SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I am on a point talk of lnd~anNat~onal~t~es. 6ut doubts were ~alsed of order ... ('lnterrupt~ons) I am sure ..(Interruptions) in thls very House, durlng dlscusslon I have every respect tor Shri Murasoli Maran11 He said "We are MR. CHAIRMAN : Somnathji is on a polnt of different, you are d~fferent"Ynu are talking of which order. Please l~srento him. 3 3 Motion of Conlidence in JUNE 11, 1996 the Councll of MInl~tof~ 84

SHRI 'SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : My command [English] over Hindi is not so good. I could not follow. I am Basudeb Achariaji said this Government will not sorry. I do not know 'Soudhabazi' is referred to last for six months. whom? What does it mean? ...(1nterruptions)You kindly tell us about whom you are referrlng to 'Soudhabazl'. [Translation] (Interruptions) Who are indulging in 'Soudhabazl'? He is also not trom the BJP. Shri Narsimha Rao [Translation] is reported to have said,..(Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN : You have named Acharlaji. He SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : The persons, whom I referred to have got my point. Those who Is on hls legs. have still missed my point are novices. I had made (Interruptions) a mention about fodder scam and Hawala scam (Interruptions) [Eng lish] Somnath ji when I indicated about the partnership SHRI BqSUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura) : Sir, she of those involved in fodder scam and Hawala scam. has stated that I have said that this Government You shouid have understood it. I could not believe would not last more thsn six months. I was surprised my eyes when I saw that not a single word has been to see such a statement made try m~ because I have mentioned about pendmg cases of corruptions in not met any reporter and I have not maae starmnnt. I have issued a denial statement on 5th of June. So, their common minimum programme. It was not a she should not have referred to my name that I have lapse. After all their leaders sat together, discussed made such a statement. at length all points but the issues partainmg to Bofors, St. Kitts, J.M.M., Sugar scandal, PSU MR. CHAIRMAN : You have clarlfied your disinvestment scam are nrissing altogether. The position. Now please slt down. issues on which they contested election are missing. (Interruptions) The people who are describing Shri Narsimha Rao as epitome of corruption have not mentioned even a SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : How can she refer my name when I have denied this? single word about it in their programme. In respect of Urea scam the Prime Minister say that. MR. CHAIRMAN : All right, you stand corrected. (Interruptions) [English] Law will take its own course. [Transla tion] SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : If he denies it its all right, I need not correct it because when the first Nobody will be spared. But striking your fist statement was given I made a mention about it but against the desk will not lend credence to what you he denied it. All these things will go on record. Shri say. The point is that what is the action being taken Narasimha Rao is reported to have said that there in this regard. Some otficers have been arrested in may be elections between 6 months and one year's Urea scam but the relatives of both of them have not period. This statement was not given by the BJP I been arrested till now. They have been served with would like to ask as to what is common between five days' notice. But why? I, therefore, submit that Shri N.D. Tiwari and ? Similarly, this partership is not based on communalism, instead what is common between Biju Patnaik and J.B. it is based on the principles of pardoning one Patnaik. What is common between Ramlakhan Singh another. Yadav and Laloo Yadav except fodder scam and fertilizer scam? What is common between Mamata Shri says that this Government Banerjee and Somnath Chatterjee? Why N.D. Tiwari will complete its full term of 5 years ...(Interruptions) is sitting beside Mulayam Yadav, who is responsible The leader of our party did not say anything in this for dishonouring women of Uttrakhand? Why regard. The first statement in this regard came from Karunanidhi accepted Shri Deve Gowda as his Shri Biju Patnaik. leader, ignoring the interests of Tamllnadu? How Mamataji is voting on ths lines of Shri Somnath ji, [English] ignoring the pain of her wounds? Biju Patnaikji said that this Government will not KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : Mr. Chairman, last. Sir, I will give my version of thlngs whenever, I am given a chance ... [Translation] MR CHAIRMAN . It is all right. Mamata ji, you To whlch party does he belong to He does not need not give a notice in advance to speak. Let her belong to BJP. Then there was a statement from Shri speak first. When the turn of your party comes, you Achariaji. may speak 8 5 MoNon of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 8 6

SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, Sir, AN HON. MEMBER : He is present in the House. I am mentioning all these names because I want to submit that even today that day is fresh in my memory SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, Sir, and I can recollect that scene vividly. I was witnessing through you, I want to submit that I was Chairman of the voting against Narasimha Rao Government in Committee on Petitions in . A petition this House from the Rajya Sabha gallery. At that was presented before the Committee, which said time Mamata jl was wheeled in as she was wounded that the recommendation of Malhotra Committee in and was shivering with fever. Two other women MPs respect of privatising LIC and GIC should not be helped her to cover her body with a red blanket. At implemented. A petition is required to be that time I was cursing the violent ways of countersigned by an M.P. It is a coincidence that communists. I know that she is an outspcrken person Shri Chaturanan Mlshra like me has come from Rajya but we do respect her right to oppose anythmg. We Sabha to Lok Sabha and probably he is going to be do not attack her in order to gay her voice. I, a Minister in a day or two. I would like to surprise therefore, wlsh to ask Mamataji, is she going to vote you by saying that the petition was signed by none alongwith the CPM in this House and oppose them other than Mishraji. r was told that if this report is in West Bengal, what sort of commonness it is? What implemented then the petition would become sort of coalltlon it is which is full of contradictions infructuous. Therefore at least interim direction to . . (Interruptions) the effect that this report should not be implemented, should be given to the Government Being the MR. CHAIRMAN : Sushmaji, how much time will Chairman ot the Committee on Petitions, I had glven you take? a direction to this effect to the Government that till SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Sir, still there is the report of this Committee is submitted, the a lot of time left from the time alloted to our party. I recommendations of Malhotra Committee should not will spare a lot of time for Ataiji. You may adjust the be implemented and it was also promised that the time lost during interruptions. So far as contradictions reports of the committee would be presented as soon are concerned, it is quite visible not only in their as possible. The Committee on Petitions summoned personalities but also in their programmes. representatives of all political parties before giving MR. CHAIRMAN : Please, conclude your speech report on the petition. All party representatives came within the time limit fixed for your party. before the committee.

SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Members of every [English] party took double the time of what was allottod to them. Still there is lot of time left of what was allotted SHRl E. AHAMAD : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am on a to my party. Why these people are getting impatient. point of order ...(Interruptions) I am not saying anything wrong or something not based on facts. Mr. Chairman. Sir, I was saying that [Trans la tion] there IS contradiction not only among their leaders SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ . I am quotlng from the but also in their programmes. I have gone through report presented In the House. their minimum common programme [Eng lis h] 17.00 hrs. SHRl E AHAMAD : It is not proper She was the First, I thought that I have not read it cor~ectly. Chairperson of that Committee ...(Interruptions) Then, I once again read it thoroughly. Well done, my SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ . I am referring to Communist colleagues, you have completed the the 102nd Report of the Committee on Petitions journey from Lenin to Yeltsin within a week ... (Interruptions) SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Why are you SHRl E. AHAMAD : Sir, the hon. lady Member concerned about us, better you think for your own was not referrmg to that Report. What the hon, lady party Member was referring to is whether an hon. Member SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : MI. Chairman, Sir, has s~gned~t or not, which, according to me, is I can well understand the constraints of a coalition, Imploper . .(lnterruptrons) there are certain constraints. On certain issues one has to compromise and some issues are common. SHRlMATl SLJSHMA SWARAJ . It is in the Report But nobody had imagined that they would altogether (Interruptions) change from their earller stand. MI. Chairman, Sir, it SHFil F AHAMAD . You can very well refer to the says that privatisation will be done !n the lreld of Hepor! ail! yo11 wil! never reter lo the polnt whether Insurance and 11 will be thrown open to the torergn .I Mcnikt has slgned ~t or not (Interruptionsj companies. I was surprised lo see this as I coul~ remember the things happened one year ago Where MH CHAIRMAN There 1s no point In your pomt 1s Shri Chaturanan Mishra? of ordet Please take your seat 87 Motion of Confidence In JUNE 11, 1996 the Council of Ministers

[Transla tion] [Translation] SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ : I have submitted that SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ : I am not going to read I had called representatives of different political each and every word of the report. The parties. The report says: representatives of Congress, BJP, CPI, CPIM, Janta Dal, Samajwadi Party and J.D. of Chandrashekhar ji [English] came before the Committee. "The Committee heard the views of different political parties on this issue." [English] .(Interruptions) .. MR. CHAIRMAN : I have already given the ruling. MR. CHAIRMAN : She is speaking within her You are not eyen listening to me. party time. (Interruptions) [Trans la lion] [Trans la tio n] SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ : I am not misquoting 'anything. SHRl RAM NAIK : I have a point of order. You have given your ruling twice. Your decision in this MR. CHAIRMAN : Her party has enough time at regard is final. Even then he is making ~nterruptions, its disposal. which is not good. [English] MR. CHAIRMAN : You should also not interrupt, SHRl SURESH KALMADI : Sir, what is your ruling please slt down, they are still interrupting. I have on his point of order? overruled it. Now, you please continue. MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Kalmadi, I have overruled SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, Sir, all it Please take your seat. these representatives came before the Committee. SHRl E. AHAMAD : She is referring to the They putforth their view points. Only Shri Ramchandra conduct of a member of that Committee Jichkar of the Congress Party supported the view . . .(Interruptions) point that it should be opened tor privatisation and all other parties opposed it. Now I further quote : [Transla tion] SMT. SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am [Eng lish] quoting every word from the report. I said that the "Shri Saroj Chowdhry. representative trom committee had invited different political parties. The CPI (M) - Somnathjl, from your Party - and report says : Shri Y.D. Sharma, representative from CPI in a joint ev~dencebefore the Committee [English] stated that the insurance market elsewhere "The Committee also heard the vlews of in the developed countries were different political parties on this issue." expenswe. The companies coming from there, would make enormous profit once [Translation] they were here, and the various social What has been said and by whom I am quoting security schemes presently available here that from the report. I am referring to 102nd report, would be ignored." which I have already laid on the Table of the House. It is a public document now and every citizen of "Their Contention was that, the private India can go through it. You can also go through companies would initially introduce most it. I am referring from that report. I had invited all lucrative schemes and after they had political parties. Mr. Chairman, Sir, before that established themselves, they would be Committee ...(Interruptions) able to monopolise the industry. Thls, they MR. CHAIRMAN : Nobody can refer to what was feared, would give rise to unhealthy discussed in the meeting of committee but one can competitron, since the existing companies quote from the report laid in the House. You are all may not be able to stand in competrtlon to experienced members and it is just wasting of time. those multinational giants. They said that It she is referring to a report, already laid in the the insurance sector here should not be House then I cannot stop her. privatised."

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AN HON MEMBER . (Interruptions) She IS We have in nut shell Thls was the view point of referring to a Report of Rajya Sabha. She 1s golng CPI and CPIM Shri Raghu Thakur represented the beyona that. ..(Interruptions) party of Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav. 8 9 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers 9 0

[Eng lis h] world over that in sectors where social "Shri Raghu Thakur, representing the obligations were to be met, privatisation Samajwadi Party was of the view that had not achieved the purpose. When one organisation like GIC, a profit making thought of public sector, the need to met organisation should not be privatised. social obligations was paramount and one Proflt should not be the sole motto in a such sector was the insurance sector. He service sector. Many a times organisations stressed, I repeat, that sectors which had in servlce sectors underwent loss but in soclal obligations and had to look into the such events the solution was to identify development aspect should be retained in the cause for such loss and rectify it and public sector. GIC, according to him, was not to privatise. one such sector, and so any move to privatise it, should be voiced agalnst. [Translation] across the board by people in all walks of Mr. Chairman: Sir, the premier faction of United life." Flont is Janta Dal which is running the Government . .(Interruptions) [Translation] MR. CHAIRMAN : Would you like to react to it. Here I would like to repeat myself within the You are a M~n~ster.If there is anyth~ngobject~onable hearing of the Prime Minister, Som Nathji and or anything against the rule then let me know. She Chaturanan Mishraji...(Interruptions! is referring to a document which has already been SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : What is the presented in the House. She is just quoting from the policy of your party? same report. What can I do She is free to quote anything. If there is any rule under which she cannot SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : The policy of our quote from it then. Let me know, I will stop her. party is to open this sector for the Indians and not for the foreigners. But what is your policy? SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Sir, I want the Prime Minister's attention please. I am talking about [English] your party. SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : You should be [Eng /ish] happy with this. Why are you concerned? Hon. Prime Minister, I would like to draw your [Transla tion] attention please. Now I am quoting from Janta Dal representative. SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : What a turn- around you have taken in the blind pursuit for [Translation] power.. .(Interruptions)

MR, CHAIRMAN : Sushmaji, one minute please. [English] SHRl B.K. GADHVI : Please reter to rule 354, SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : You should be one can not refer to the happenings in the council happy with this programme. of States. SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : What is about the [Translation] council of States. This is a report of committee on SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : I want to repeat Petitions. this sentence and reiterate: SHRl B.K. GADHVI : Council means, she is referring to proceedings of Rajya Sabha, which she [Eng /ish] cannot do without prior permission. He also said, MR. CHAIRMAN : This is not relevant. This is a "GIC, according to him, was one such report. Sector, and so any move to privatise it, SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Mr. Speaker, Sir, should be voiced agalnst, across the Now I quote the representative of the Janata Dal board by people in all walks ot Me." which is the premier constituent of the United Front and the Prime Minister belongs to this party [Translation]

[English] I am reading out this sentence only to bring out how one can make a complete somersault in the And no less a person than Shri Madhu blind pursult of power. They have abandoned the Dandavate came before the Committee. Thls is his policies followed by them in politics tor fifty years evidence : just to sit with the Congress and the Janata Dal in "Shrl Madhu Dandvate representing Janata the pursuit of power and as a part of their anti-BJP Dal mentioned that It was the experience stance ...(Interruptions) 9 1 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 tho Councll of Mlnistm 9 2

That is why I am telling you that although you Government. Dr. Lohia had said, 'Vally wlth even the can depart from your policies in the House yet when devil io defeat the Congress.' Second thing he said you rovert back to your electorates, your party has, 'elther make amends or disperse yourselves'. workers will not let you renounce these respective Contrary to this, you are advocating alliance with policles and this contradiction will cause the downfall the devil by substituting the BJP for the Ccngress in of your Government. the frame. It is, however, a matter of few days only when the dictum 'either make amends or disperse Ram Vilasji and Sharad Yadavji weresaying just now that this Government will continue as Narasimha yourselves' will come true. And why not so with all that goes with a portfolio worth Rs 65 Rao has reiteratedh is support to it today. But ministerial Narasimharao ji is sltting here maintaining his ususal lakhs and a bundle containing just Rs. 3 lakhs. Then why should not he speak? Definitely it is just a matter silence and playing the same role, while Sharad Pawarji is not playing the role of Sharad Pawar of days only when the dictum will start operating on ...(Interruptions)'. them. Before concluding I would, therefore, like to say one thing regarding their repeated assertions [Englrsh] that their Government will run full five years. MR. CHAIRMAN : It will not go on record. [English] [Translation] This political orchestra will disperse even before the show begins. They are so singing their own SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : I have said tunes. nothing wrong. [Transla tion] [English] The artistes of this orchestra, which has come SHRl CHANDRA SHEKHAR : What is here to sing a chorus here, are so used to striking objectionable in this? their sparate notes that it will inevitably disperse [Translation] even before the song starts. But as long as it all lasts. God may come to the country's rescue. With SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ , You are right. this prayer I oppose this Motion of Confidence. Respectable Chandra Shekharji, thank you very much . . (Interruptions). SHRi KANSHI RAM (Hoshiarpur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to oppose this Motion of Confidence for MR CHAIRMAN : YOU conclude now, various reasons. Firstly, we have just contested (Interruptions) elections against many of the constituents of the United Front during the course of which we have MR. CHAIRMAN : That has been expunged, spoken many a thing against one another. This please sit down. acrimony has outlasted the elections. SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : I am concluding The second reason why I am opposing it is that and would like to tell my colleague Sharad Yadavji earlier a number of Members have said that this that this experiment is not new. His mentor Raj United Front is formed by various constituents, each Naramji having already had a taste of it when the constituent having its own distinct style. It is my firm Congress withdrew its support wihin 20 days of belief that this United Front is incapable of curbirg havmg extended it to them. One of our respectable hooliganism in the country. Some of us have already leaders Shri Chandra Shekhar is sitting here from been prey to the goondaism perpetrated by some of whose Government the Congress support was its constituents. withdrawn within four months. Then what forms the basis of your trust in them, after all there has to be Mayawati's name has been mentioned in this some basis of this trust. Have you learnt nothing House. She was confined in a room on 2 June, 1995. from history ...(Interruptions) Both power and water supplies to the room were cut off. An attempt was made to finish her off by hlring [English] services of three thousand goodas from all over Uttar SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : The country Pradesh. The incident took place on 2 June, 1995 should know the level ot the debate. and discussed in the House on 3 June, 1995. Mayawati is no ordinary woman. She had 282 MLAs SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ . What should I behind her. Those 282 MLAs belonged to five political speak of the Congress, I would like to remind brother parties BJP, Congress, Janata Dnl, CPI and BSP Sharad Yadavji of the history of the Socialists Just itself. They came to me wlth the appeal that now Sharad Yadavji was talking of Dr. Lohia but goondaism IS on the Increase in Uttar Pradesh. They Soc~al~stsshould not lose sight of Dr. Lohia's twin said that we had tormed a coalition Government. dlctum regardmg the making and unmaking of a Much was needed to be done to contain this ' Nor Recorded hooliganism. I was convinced by their reaaroning. We 9 3 Motlon of Confidence in JYAISTHA, 21, 1818 (Saka) the Council of Ministers

thought of changing the Chief Minister. Thus a dallt There was a Janata Dal Government at the woman has the opportunity to become Chief Minister. centre on 21 June, 1990. Shri .V.P. Slngh and other This United Front talks of soclal justice. Notwith- people of Janata Dal were used to talk about social standing their experlence of social justice, three justice but Panwari incident took place on 21 June, thousand goondas were called to Lucknow to kill the 1990 at Agra which is just 200 km. away from Delhi. dallt woman who rose to be the Chief Minister. The In that incident a large number of oppressed people powers of the police were misused. All this is before were victimised. What were the reasons of that our eyes. Therefore, in my opinion, they say one incident? The main reason was that the oppressed . thing and do quite the opposite. They preach social people cannot take out a Barat procession in the justice but practise gross social injustice When the streets because the social system of this country people, who talk about social justice, do social does not allow them to do so. The social system of intustice themselves then I feel, they cannot check this country provides that the oppressed people hooliganism while in power. cannot take out a barat procession of their The second thing which I would like to say is bridegroom riding on mare's back and accompanied that we talk about democracy in our country and say by a band party in the streets. This incident took that India is the biggest democrat~c nation of the place due to this social system. A large number of people were victimised in it. world but I believe that there is not democracy in this country. There can be no democracy in a country Mr Chairman, Sir, at that time Shri V.P. Singh where votes of the poor poeple are purchased and was heading Janta Dal Government at the Centre plundered. and in Uttar Pradesh too Janata Dal was in power. i had told them at that time also that so long as the Mr. Chairman, Sir, Just now Shri Sharad Yadav social system was not changed, the slogan of social has said that there is a struggle between liberal justice would merely be an illusion to get their votes. Hindus and fundamentalist Hindus but what I feel is Therefore, Sir, we have that kind of opposition to this that we are facing more threats from these liberal Government and that is why we cannot express our Hindus because they do not allow the people confidence in this Government. (Interruptions). belonging to weaker sections of the society to cast Therefore, this Government will not be in the interest their votes. Loni ircident is still going on which is of the country. Other friends have also said many just 10 km, away from this House. 01-1the polling day things here and I do not want to repeat them. I agree i.e. on 7th May whet: all the voters belonging to with them. Many things were said about my party oppressed class went to the polling booth unitedly during election time that after winning the elections, to cast their votes, the hooligans who were already our MPs would join hands with BJP or Congress there to plunder their votes could not do so. They party to form a Government. Many things were said got annoyed and burnt down the houses of the people about Congress party also. It was also said to of oppressed class. The house of Gram Pradhan mislead the voters particularly the muslim voters that was also burnt down. We talk about strengthening the Congress party was more responsible than the panchayatiraj institut~onsbut in realiry the conditions BJP for the demolition of Babri Masjid and the BSP that prevaillmg in the country is that a Gram Pradhan, is going to join hands with that Congress party to who belongs to oppressed class, cannot cast his form a Government. But what happened after the vote to his party at his discretion and when he did elections. They are forming a Government with the so his house was burnt down and his shop was help of the Congress party to whom they opposed burnt down. Since the formation of their Government tooth and nail. They have ruined the Congress party at the centre, they are wondering scot free in bastis in Uttar Pradesh and now they are forming a and threatening the people that any one who comes Government with support of the Congress to the rescue of the Gram Pradhan, his house will ...(Interruptions) also be burnt down. That place is just 10 km. away from here. Therefore, I believe that this United Front MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Kanshi Ramji, please Government would not be able to check hooliganism. conclude. I represent those people who have become vlctlms SHRl KANSHI RAM : I am concluding within a at a very large scale of this hooliganism. I am talkmg minute. I am a disciplined person so If you say I can about it here on behalf of them. Many of our lriends sit without concluding it. talk about social justice. 1 have had discussion on this subject earlier also and I believe that so long as MR. CHAIRMAN : No, According to the allocation we do not bring about a change in our soclal System of time, your party have 8 minutes only. I have we cannot bring about social justice. A social System allowed 15 minutes to you and that is why I am has to be changed flrst and then the existing saying you to conclude. economic system has to be changed accordingly. So SHRl KANSHI RAM : Slr, the other party whlch long as the system Is not changed the social change have the same strength as we have. have been cannot be brought about. allowed to speak for one hour. Mr. Mishraji was just 9 5 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1986 the Council of Ministers 96

speaking and he took one hour. We have the same Keep quiet, Pappu, I have not to learn from you. strength as they have ...(Interruptions). I do not want Enough is enough, l will see you once I get back to to take much time of the House, therefore, I am Purnea. 'concludlng. "Maran kya tujhko sweekar hai, We do not have any confidence in such Arthi uthane khud apni taiyar hal." Government. With these words I conclude. If yes, certainly, a change will come In the country. 17.32 hrr. A lot has been said about revolution. Certainly, the Ganges of revolution shall descend from the blue (Prof. Rita Verma in the Chair) and whatever is being said about the emancipation SHRl ANAND MOHAN (Shivhar) : Madam of the oppressed and of the poor wlll fructify. But Chairman, I rlse to oppose the motion of Confidence. what we really see today something different. I am a new member. I have some experience of "Kupath-kupath rath daudata do, Vidhan Sabha but in Lok Sabha it is my first term. path nirdeshak wah hai". When many stalwards like Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Laaj Lajati j~skikriti se, Shri Deve Gowda, Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav, Shri dhriti updeshak wah hai." Sharad Yadav, Shri Chandra Shekhar, our Party , Secularism Seems to be have become the focal President Shri George Fernandes and Shri Nitish pointof today's debate. Myself, George Fernandes, Kumarji are preasent in the House, it is my first hon. Chandra Shekharji, Nitishji and the entire chance to speak among them. Being a new Member Samata Party is being 'accused of having joined I would llke to request the Senior Members to hands with communal forces. I would like to ask my encourage us because it is an old tradition in our revolutionary friends that when Lohiaji gave the society that whenever any advice has to be taken in slogan of 'Non-congress~sm'in 1967, with what face a family, the youngest and new members are given did they form Government in as many as nine States? chance first to speak. Who formed coalition Government in Kerala with the The main issue of today's debate is Muslim League which is responsible for the partition communalism. Many things have been said about it. of the country. I would like to ask those who speak In every electlon the people talk about inqullab, of secuiasm as to wh~chparty did Lalthan Dalka, revolution, change of system and communal harmony. who was also the Chief Minister of a 'State and who It reminds me of some poems of Neerj ji and I quote: gave the slogan of christian State belong? I would like to tell Shri V.P. Singh and in his absensce Shri "Aur Yahan lnqallab lnqallab nahin paisa hai Sharad Yadav and other friends from the Janata Dal sauda hai that not only in 1967 but also in 1977 Governments lski Dukane hai, hat, bazar hain were formed with the support of the Jan Sangh and Jinme waha kapadon ke mol-bhav bikata hai the BJP and those Governments did run. It was the Janta Dal who ran the Central Government in Delhi Chandi aur sane ke iski taraju main for 11 months in 1986 wlth the support of the BJF. adami se lekar lshwar tak tulata ha1 It was their leader who used to say that they would Aur Yahan dil-dil ke bich diwaren hain not form the Government, that he would not accept Jat pat, rang-varan, Desh Kal wali the Presidentship of any party, that he would not Badi unchi minaren hain become the Prime Minister. I come from Mithilanchai. There is a saying in Maithili : lsko girana aasan nahin Yahan Lage bade-bade pahre hain "Nayee khayib, nayee khayib, khayib bhari tharl, Nayee sutab, nayee sutab, sutab gordharl." Kyonki Math, Masjib aur Girjaghar Yeh Pandit aur Padari, Shekh aur Moulavi It means that even when they say 'no' to food. they eat to their fill and when they say that they wdl Majahab ke jitane bhi thag thekedar hain not sleep, they fall asleep despite the room being qabke sab inahi ke sahare to thahre hain. barely enough to accommodate even their legs That Ise laangh jaane ki saza pana hai, is why I say that sppeches on secularism should no1 Eesa ki bhanti cross par chadh jana hai be delivered from their side. They do not have a Gandhi ki tarh goli khakar mar jana hai, moral authority to speak on secularism. That is why even small people like me had Maran kya tujhko sweekar hai..:' opposed.. .(Interruptions) I shall pose this questioi, to the House. MR. CHAIRMAN : You are not to address your "Maran kya tujhko sweekar hai, friends, you address the Chair. Arthl Uthane khud apni taiyar hai." SHRl ANAND MOHAN : Even small persons like . (lnterruptlons) me had opposed it. At that time, it was said that Motlon of Confidence in JYAlSTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) tho Councll of Minlstors 9 8

Congress being our bitter enemy, we shall have to involved in Hawala scam, Boforcs case, Salnt Kitts join hands with smaller enemies. Shri Mufti case, land scandal in Karanataka, Urea scandal, Mohammad Saiyed is not present here. Accompanied sugar scandal, and fodder scandal. They ... have come by Shri Akhlaq Ahmed, I had gone to his bungalow together with the sole objective of savlng their skin. to request him not to do so, but our plea was not ...(Interruptions) entertained and they had their way, And today we are being accused. The price graph of almost all MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Anand Mohan, please things has gone up in this country. Our problems addresi the Chair and try to conclude quickly. have increased manifold, scandals have Increased, SHRl ANAND MOHAN . Today Urea scandal has population has gone up. The only commodity that been exposed Fodder scam of Bihar is the biggest seems to be in short supply is morality. scandal in the history of India. MR. CHAIRMAN : Just a mlnute. Please do not SHRl MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI forget the decorum that maiden speech of the new (Darbhanga) : He is involved In the murder of D.M. Member is not to be interrupted time and again. The hon. Member has already taken 10 minutes. [English] How much time will you need to complete your MR. CHAIRMAN : He is not yieldlng to you. speech? Please sit down. SYRl ANAND MOHAN : After the new Govt. came [Translation] to power, the United Front Government formulated a programme called the Common Minimum You can reply when your turn to speak comes. Programme. I am a small person. Big leaders are (Interruptions) sitting here. During his press conference the Prime Minister had referred to some policies. He said that his Government would not allow foreign investment MR. CHAIRMAN : Please sit down. i am on my in domestic industry, low priority sector and consumer legs. items. I would like to know as to how the Government is going to do it? Today, the multi-national companies (Interruptions) have pervaded into the privacy of our bed rooms Please sit down and bath rooms. AN HON. MEMBER : Even your spectacles have [Translation] not been spared. Please conclude quickly. SHRI ANAND MOHAN : My spectacles are putely SHRl ANAND MOHAN : It is the people belonging Indian. to our Samata Party who have exposed the fodder MR. CHAIRMAN . You concentrate only on your scandal... (Interruptions) speech. The main accused ...(Interruptions) is well known. SHRI ANAND MOHAN : You can see that today After the United Front Government came to power, these multi-national companies have intruded into an attempt is being made to implicate Shri Nitish our bed rooms, bath rooms and kitchens through Kumar and Sushi1 Kumar Modi. Therefore, I would shampoo, soap, perfume, tooth paste, detergent, T.V. like to say.. . (Interruptions) after shave, cosmetic and eatbles. How will they be MR. CHAIRMAN : You can reply to it when your driven out? These very parties were vehemently turn comes. opposing the New Economic Policy I would like to ask any friends in the communist parties and Janata (Interruptions) Dal as to how the persons who bitterly criticised Dr. SHRl ANAND MOHAN : A big scandal has taken and Narasimha Rao for the New place in Bihar. Therefore, we would like to say openly Economic Policy are keeping mum today. The new that we would not make any demand at any cost on Prime Minister has said that he will continue the old the line of Bengal's opposition ...(Interruptions) economic policies. During the course of election, these 13 constituents of the United Front had crossed 17.46 hrs. the limits of criticism and engaged themselves in the (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) mud-slingning exercise among themselves. This Common Minimum Programme is nothing but an (Interruptions) immoral aid to remain In office. [English] MR. CHAIRMAN : You were given six mlnutes, but your have taken 12 minutes. MR. SPEAKER : Shri Anand Mohan, Please conclude. SHRl ANAND MOHAN : I shall be brief and I am concluding. These are the same people who are (Interruptions) 9 9 Motion of Confidence In JUNE 11, 1996 the Councll of Mlnlsters 100

MR. SPEAKER : 1 am asking Shrl Anand Mohan formed In 9 States. We, therefore, expect from BJP to conclude. You have exceeded your time please. leaders and our hon. frlends to accpet this phenomenon. Besides. I would not like to repeat [Trans la lion] time and agaln that the mandate is for a coalition SHR~ANAND MOHAN : Now, hen. Shrl Mulayam Government. Therefore, Ataljl has to accept is Singh has assymed the role of Marx and for the gracefully. In their case also they had the support of communists, the role of Lenin has been assumed by the Akali Dal, the Haryana Vlakas Party and one segment of the Samata Party. It was not Shri Laloo Prasad. Their communism has been total because hon. Chandra Shekhar did no: extend converted Into casteism ...(Interruptions) his support to their Government. Chandra S~.ekhar [Eng lish] alone counts a lot in the House....( Interruptions). Had they got majority, they would also have formed a MR. SPEAKER : Do not interrupt him now please. coalition Government. (Interruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude now. SHRI CANDRA SHEKHAR : This is the training (Interruptions) they are glving. All right ...(lnterruptlons) MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on record. Shrl [Transla tion] Anand Mohan, you have to conclude, You have exceeded your time. It is your maiden speech. You SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : They had no had enough time to speak. Please sit down. other way out than to form a co-alltion Goverment. As such it has to be accepted in the normal course. (Interruptions) They say that this coalition Government cannot be stable. Then how their coalition Government could have been stable? It is true that BJP has been with SHRI ANAND MOHAN : Hon. Chandra Shekhar the ruling Party many a time, but at that time they did and George Saheb said again and again that this not have the Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi issues. country will be run on Gandhian philosophy. It will Had they raised these points at that time, we would run on the path of Swadeshi and self reliance have never remained with them. Let anybody remain, . . .(Interruptions) but not we. When you raised Ayodhya, Mathuca and Kashi issues in Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly. [English] I said in clear terms that neither we would seek their MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude within one support nor do we need their support. They are trying minute now. for country's disintegration ...(Interruptions) (Interruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER : This is Parliament. You cannot MR. SPEAKER : Do not interrupt, please do like that. Please sit down. [Tra nsla tion] (Interruptions) SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : The United Front [Ttranslation] has been formed after due thoughts and SHRl ANAND MOHAN : It will not benefit. the deliberations. It has already prepared its policy and programmes and placed the same before the country. country in anyway. Opposing this Confidence Motion, Now this Government is stable. This is a Government I conclude. with popular support which wlll last for 5 years. They THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI MULAYAM have to keep themselves waiting for the fall of this SlNGH YADAV) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support Government. They will live with this hope. If the Hon. the Confidence Motion that has been brought forward Members hold divergent views with regard to the by the hon. Prime Minister ... (Interruptions) Mr. Common Minimum Programme, what I can say about Speaker, Sir, proceeding further the discussion that it. A lot of remarks have been made in this regard. has been going on, I would like to submit that the I shall come to these remarks at the end. Now I shape of parliamentary democracy is changing would like to say that you kept the country in a state . .(Interruptions) Yes, it is changing, How it is of suspension for about one month. They had no changing ...(Interruptions) Earlier, there used to be majority and the list they had submitted was incorrect. one Government both at the Centre and in the States They did not have 194 Members with them. By in majority of the cases. That is why I said that the submitting an incorrect List of 194 Members to the shape of parliamentary democracy is changing. Just Presldent, the hon. Leader of Opposition, Shri Atal now there was a reference to 1967 in which a Bihari Vajpayee is talking of morality. beginning had been made to form coalition SHRl ATAL BiHARl VAJPAYEE : No list had been Government. Coalition Governments had been given to the hon. President. 101 Motion 01 Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1818 (Saka) Annou~coment by Spoakcr 102 the Councrl of Ministers

SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : What Atalji says Mr. Speaker, Sir, kindly make it as untruth. Hence is not correct. forward no such word wlll be used.

[English) [Eng /is h] MR. SPEAKER : Please s~tdown. The leader of MR. SPEAKER : Please do not interrupt. opposition has already clarified. [Transla tion] SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker. Sir, SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : When Chandra the hon. Member is new to this House. But he should Shekharji refused to extend his support to them, then know that this word is unparliamentary. Atalji restrained from votlng. They did not go for a SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : I have already division, because they knew that the number they modified it as untruth ... (Interruptions) had submitted to the President was not with them. The 90 to 95 crow people are experiencing its fall [E ng /is h] out and no work is being done. We have accepted morality...( Interruptions) we have taken a decision MR. SPEAKER : He has withdrawn that word. that till such time our Government won the vote of [Transla tion] Confidence, no policy decision would be taken by us. As a result of that we are in a state of SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : The hon. Leader bewilderment for last 12 days and could not take a of Opposition is a pretty senior member. I have decision in any case. Even urgent matters of public already modified it as untruth Even after that if he interest could not be attended. These people are is found of saying so ...(Interrnptions) responsible for this situation who told an incorrect It has became very troublesome for sister ~ushma thing to the President that they had the majority. Swaraj and the that I have SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : We have an become the Defence Minister...( Interruptions) objection to this word. It is an unparliamentary word. Mr. Chairman, Sir, the cause of their trouble is This word should be expundged from the true that is the Samajwadi Party and Mulayam Singh proceedings of the House. Yadav become weak in Uttar Pradesh, They will get SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV Please write it a chance. But fascism would not be allowed to grow as untrue. I would not like to go into that. It hardly if the Samajwadi Party and Mulayarn Singh Yadav makes any difference are there in Uttar Pradesh.

[Englrsh] 18.00 hrs. SHRl HARlN PATHAK : Sir, it should be removed from the proceedings of the House. ANNOUNCEMENTBYSPEAKER MR. SPEAKER : He has modifled it. [English] [Tea nsla tion] MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, I have to inform SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : So, tar as their the House that as pel the decision taken in the internal squabbles are conncerned, I would not like meeting of the Business Advisory Committee held to repeat it time and again. Hon. Chatterjee has on loth June 1996 the Lok Sabha will also sit on made a mention of what happened in Gujarat? Wednesday, the 12th June 1996 for discussion on the Motion of Confidence in the Council of Ministers. /English] So, the House will sit tomorrow also. It is 6 o' clock now; but the understanding was that we shall not PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT . Sir, you kindly instruct to expunge that word. have the lunch break. Since we did have the lunch break, with the permission of the House. I will extend MR. SPEAKER : He has changed it. the sitting of the House by one hour. [Trans la tion] SHRl NIRMAL KANTl CHATTERJEE : You have allotted seven hours for this discussion. But you SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : Was it a have not indicated to us as to how much time you testimony of unity what happened in Gujarat and have allotted for the interruptions in the House! was it a demonstration of unity? Hon. Antulay and hon. Chatterlee have already spoken on this. MR. SPEAKER : Interruptions are taken into Therefore, there Is no need to repeat it. But this is account and it is always subtracted from the time the biggest instance of fascism. Let them speak allotted to the speaker. whatever untruth they could ...(Interruptrons) 103 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, 1098 the Council of Mlnkters 104

18.01 hrr. the mosque but you dld not keep up your word. Supreme Court awarded one day's sentence to you MOTION OF CONFIDENCE IN THE COUNCIL for the same. A sentence is a sentence whether it ie OF MINISTERS - Contd. for one day or for 20 years. There Is no provlsion for filing appeal agalnst In Supreme Court. Before raising a finger at others, see your own face In the mirror. Supreme Court has proved that you are guilty. You SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : Mr. Speaker, are misleading the country by giving a false Sir, we submit that we hold women in great respect statement...(Interruptions) and that is the policy of our party too ...(Interruptions). A woman has been made the spokesperson of the SHRl BACHl SlNGH RAWAT Badhda (Almora) : BJP... (Interruptions). What about Uttrakhand ...(Interruptions) SHRlMATl SUSHMA SWARAJ : Do not add insult SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : Our aim is to to injury by saying so. The judgement of Allahabad strengthen the country. It you want to make the Highcourt is before you. Therefore, do not add insult country strong, you will have to create a congenial to the injury. atmosphere. You will have to develop cordial relations with neigh1;cxlrinq countries. As far as the SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : Mr. Speaker, people of India, Pakistan a~~deanqladesh are Sir, we have chalked out this Common Minimum concerned, they have love for each other. It i:;c*re is Programme after consulting all election manifestoes. any conflict, that is political one and we shall find a As far as BJP spokesperson is concerned, she is our way out. I am happy that the neighbouring countries sister and we have great respect for her. Had there have tried to establish cordial relations after our been anyone else in her place, we could have used Government assumed charge. We welcome the letter harsh words. But we would not make any comment of Pakistani Prime Minister and congratulate her. against her. I would like to remind her that she She has congratulatqd us. It is our policy that if you herself had been a Samajwadi. If she forgotten then want to strengthen the country, you will have to. it is another thing. She was with Sh. develop cordial relations. I do not want to coment on in 1977 but perhaps she does not remember it what you have stated just now. You have said the anymore. Samajwadi party people resorted to firing. That 1s Mr. Speaker, Sir, the discussion for making a what sister Sushma has said. It is a fact that firing confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh is took place and 16 people died. I am very sad about gaining currency for the last many years. It was it. I have already said that we are sorry for that included in the programme of our party. But when Hon'ble Speaker, but we have the question of the common minimum programme was chalked out we unity and integrity of the country before us. By did not press for it like the BJP which too has given proecting the mosque, we have protected not the up a number of its programme such as construction muslims or the mosque but we have protected the of temple and issues relation to Kashi and Mathura. temples, churches, Gurudwaras and Jain temples The programme of our party is to receive the majority also. We have protected all the places of worship in support. Therefore, I would like to tell my sister that india. 16 people died and I am sorry for them. But our aim is to make lndia a strong nation. If their maintaining the unity of the country is our prime intention is also to make the country strong then do concern and if 16 lives are lost for its sake it does not distort the facts, Indian people may go to not matter. Human life is secondary before the unity Pakistan, Pakistani people may come to India, of the country. We admit that we took this step for Bangladeshi people can come here, but anti- maintaining the integrity of the country. Our nationals cannot be permitted anywhere whether it Government took action. 16 lives are nothing as far is India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. as preserving the unity of the country is concerned even it we had to shed 32 lives, we would have SHRl RAM NAGINA MISHRA (Padrona) : Mr. done that for the sake of our country. You sutfered Speaker, Sir, kindly ask him to tell us what is their the consequences, when the mosque was opinion about Bangladeshi, intruders? demolished on 6th of December. Whole world and SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : It is our policy, the people of lndia came to know that the mosque it is in our programme, but for the time being we are was demolished by you people. Though the official pressing for it.We are all unanimous over Minimum stafistics claim that property worth Rs two and half Common Programme which we have chalked out. crore or three crore was destroyed after the Who compelled us to unite. It was you, who demolition but I know that in Bombay alone the loss compelled us, because you do not have faith neither was to the tune of ten thousand crores. Did only in the Parliament, or In the Court of Law and above Muslims suffer this loss or Taxi drivers, labourers all you have no taith in the .National lntegratlon and factory owners were only affected? Both Hindus Council. the hlghest political lorum 01 Indla. You even and Muslims were amongst them. Who was lied In that forum. You assured tnat you would protect responsible for this? Property worth Rs. 20 crores of /- 105 Motlon of Confidence In JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Saka) the 'Councli of Ministers 106 was destroyed, Though the flgures reveal that four [Translation] thousand llves were lost but we claim that seven SHRl SUKHBIR SlNGH BADAL (Farldkot) : One thousand and flve hundred people lost their Ilves., mlnute, please. The people who shot pt our parents On 30th October and 2nd November, 1990 by and grandparents and indulged In protecting tho mosque our Government saved at least killings, they are ...(Interruptions) seven and r half thousand llves and we protected the Qurudwara, temples and mosques. Therefore, [English] we had to resort to flrlng. MR. SPEAKER : Barnalaji will speak after this. Mr. Speaker, Slr, who Is Rambhakt? They do not He wlll reply....( Interruptions) consider us as one. We are devotees of even MR. SPEAKER : BarnalaJi wlll Hanuman who was the devotee of Rama. Atalji come. worships Cow. You would ask Mulayam Singh to [Transla tion] worship Cow. We keep cows. Please accompany us to our home. We have got cows there. We also SHRl MULAYAM S'NGH YADAV : In Uttar advocate for a ban on cow slaughter but flrst we Pradesh ...(Interruptions) What the Government of should stop homicide. Who is responsible for this Bharatiya Janata Party did ...(lnterruptlons) Yoy will homicide? You are asklng why we resorted to firing. have your say. I would say that we were there in Why was our police forced to take such an action? Delhi to save them. Ram Vllas and Mulayam Singh were moving along. He said It is a question of our sentiments and our freedom. Leader of the Opposition, Icannot make SARDAR SURJIT SlNGH BARNALA (Sangrur) : ydu understand. You are holding a lofty position, you Three thousand Sikhs were put to death have been Prime Minister for 13 days. Besides, you ...(Interruptions) They went on a killing spree of our are Leader of the Opposition. May I ask you who is brothers and sisters. responsible for the murders that took place. What ' [English] happened in Mumbai was most unfortunate ...(lnterruptions). What is responsible for simllar MR. SPEAKER : I will see. happenings in Ahmedabad, Banaras or Kanpur? Who (Interruptions) is responsible for the incidents that place * elsewhere ...(Interruptions) The responslbillty rests [Transla tion] squarely on you, the Bharatiya Janata Party, Shiv SHRl RAM NAlK : Mulayam Singh jl, one minute Sena...(Interruptions) please, Mr. Speaker, very cheap things are being SHRl RAM NAlK : At least you do not know utterred here, which is not proper...( Interruptions) anythmg about this. Do not say anything regarding Mumbai of which you have no knowledge. [English] SHRI MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : Mr. Speaker, I MR. SPEAKER : He is not yielding. want to say that we espouse the cause of the dalits, backward classes and farmers and will continue to [Transla tion] do so because we want to make India strong. A You will get a chance to speak. bridge which was initially proposed to be constructed ...(Interruptions) in Mumbai in the name , was instead got constructed by a leader in the name of his own SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : You should father, We will not go by their example. We have know.. . (Interruptions) therefore, to think over if we want to make nation AN HON. MEMBER: Being the Defence Minister strong. We have Barnalaji sittlng here. We have of the country, Shri Mulayam Singh should not speak strong reservations about the stand he has taken. in such a way ...(Interruptions) He seems to have forgotten the Pilibhit episode. True that we as well as Chaudhuri Sahab were there MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude. You have taken at that time. Chaudhury Sahab too might have had 26 mlnutes. a different opinion. But It was Chandra Shekharji (Interruptions) who had sympathlsed most and struggled all along to discontinue the use of army. You did not clte MR. SPEAKER: 1 think, you have protested; that names. You will not do so either. Whoever might is enough. have started it. But you are sitting wlth those [Trans la tion] elements who were responsible for flaring up things in Punjab ...(Interruptions) So far as casteism is Why are you repeating the same thing again concerned ...(Interruptions) and again where is the need of that SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV :We want to bring [English ] to the fore the fact that boys of the tender age of 12 MR. SPEAKER : You will get a chance to reply. were detained under TADA during the reglme of the 107 Motlon of Confidence In JUNE 11, 1996 the Counell of Minlstors 108

BJP Government in Uttar Pradesh. When our help not only poor Brahmlns in India, hon'ble Atalji Government was formed there, we conducted discrect is a sitting Member from Lucknow, not very far from inquiries and set the boys free. To Barnaia Sahab which is a village adjecent to the Mohana area in we want to say thls much that if they had any Sitapur district. in this village, one Rama Kant Shukia reservations about the Congress, then they should was murdered. His widow and chlldren were starving have opted for the middle path siding with none for three days. When we read about it In newspapers, ...(lnterruptlons) The way they enforced TADA in Uttar we visited the area and reached the victim's home Pradesh, caused killings of innocent people in with Kuntan Bhawantiji and came to know that ...' Pilibhit, you have been witness to ail that, therefore, His daughter aged 24-25 years was wlthout food they weie equally responsible ...(Interruptions) for three days. So we visited the place So far as casteism is concerned ...(Interruptions) ....(lnterruptlons) AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Reply to the [English] Muzatfarnagar eplsode also ...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude. SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV: I have replied to that. So far as Mr. George is concerned, we do not [Translation] want to say much except one important thing i.e, he has been accustomed to changing sides more often SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : We rendered than not and will continue doing so. I have been help to that widow girl. As soon as we formed our witnes to two such occasions-one such occasion Government we sactioned an amount of Rs. one during a session at Calcutta, I was a youth then, iakh ...(lnterruptions) when Dr. Lohia emerged victorians from Farrukhabad SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, George Saheb made an allegation that he was Some persons' names are being dragged here as if accused of having won with the Jan Sangh support they were involved in the murder and forum of this and therefore, allegedly having a tainted face House is being used in making this allegation. Who ...(Interruptions) Now have those elements, whon Mr. was involved in the murder and who was not George is now supporting, a fairer complexion than involved, will be decided by the Court. How can any what they had in their earlier incarnation. Has Shri names be dragged here. George ascertalned anything about it. But we do not want to comment upon it much because one never SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : i have not dragged anyone's name, you can see for yourself knows he decides to return to our fold by evning today. the records of the proceedings. I have only taken the name of the person murdered. On the issue of Rambhaktas. A ban was imposed in Uttar Pradrsh and BJP declared that none other SHRl MANOJ (Hajipur) : He is making a wrong than a Rambhakta could enter Ayodhya. I also went statment. How can he cite anyone's name here? there as I too ,had a wish to go there. Me alongwith .. .(Interruptions) our colleague Shri and others [English] were stopped near Barabanki because we did not have a certificate with us of our being Rambhaktas. MR. SPEAKER : I will see the record; if there is Where were we to get it from - A Tehsiidar or a anything objectionable, I will delete it. Collector Is not competent to issue such a certificate, (Interruptions) who else then wlii give such a certlficate, will they themselves issue. Then we are forbidden to call [Translation] Gandhiji as father of the nation as if this title was SHRl ,MULAYAM SiNGH YADAV : We rendered to given to G'andhiji by themselves. We want to say we the tune of Rs, one lakh. We gave Ramakant Shukia's ah in favour of extending special faciilties to dailts, wife, who was indigent, one lakh rupees as soon as backwards and minorities in order to strengthen the our Government was formed. We help every poor nation and we will certainly do so. We will instil person. Today Muslims are in a minority in India. confidence in the minorities all over India, the reason Their number being less, you demoilshed their being that when we glance at the map of Hindustan mosque. Had they been in a majority, you could we find Punjab on the border, the Sikhs inhabtting never have done that ...(Interruptions) We will help Punjab and Kashmir which is also on the border, the Musllms, the Christians, the Sikhs, the Jains, the Apart from these, Kerala, Goa as also our people Buddhas. What ever constitutes the weaker sections, settled along the borders, consist mostly of minorities. the dalit and the backward, wlll be assisted by us If there is disaffection in the minorities inhabiting the irrespective of whether such a weaker section IS border-line areas, If they feel being discriminated Muslim, Sikh, Christian or any other. We have to against, ignored. and subjected to injustice, atrocities, -- then our country will dismtegrate. That is why we ' Expunged as Ardered by the chair 109 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21. 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers ' 110

take these sections into confidence if we want to Under this article 356, our Government was make India strong. Then only we can ensure peace dismissed seven times. We have been falling prey to inthe country and banish poverty from it. this article repeatedly. We have been advocat!ng for We will increase agricultural production, as also long for either the amendment or deletiorl ,of this provide special facilities to the farmers. Who is going article. to trust you? You asked for votes on the issues of Mr. Speaker, we have always been speaking in article 370, a Uniform Civil Code and in the name of favour of giving more powers to the states and more Kashi, Ayodhya and Mathura. In the absence of these autonomy for the states. A hint regarding that also issues, you could not have ensured victory for even has been made in this Minimum Common one hundred of your party candidates. You had not Programme. We want to assert here that in case a seen the cow then. Which in fact was seen by you legislation as brought forward regarding article 356, only afterwards. Your strength could never have then we will certainly vote in its favour. It is not that reached 160 if you had not raised slogans for cow, we are going to support our present allies on each against article 370 and for construction of the Ram and every issue for vote each time at their behest temple and for Kashi-Mathura. only. We will support the Government for whatever good things have been stated in their programme. Now we come to the question of morality, non- violence and peace. We have always been vociferous for giving more powers to the states than the Centre and we have It was in this very city of Delhi, I am constrained been reiterating this for so many years through the to say, either in my capacity as the Defence Minister Anandpur Saheb Resolution. Regional parties have or other than that, history, will not be lorgotten in supported us all along on this issue. But they never India. If we forget people like Gandhiji and the ideals listened to our call. When talked of autonomy, we he set forth, then the country is not likely to become were called secessionists bent upon breaking the strong. Gandh~was shot dead in this very city. And country. Such allegations have always been made who were the perpetrators of the cr~me? Godse against us. But I am happy to note that the belonged to whom? Government of the day has itself come forward with SOME HON'BLE MEMBERS : To R.S.S. such a thing. This Minimum Common Programme SHRl MULAYAM SiNGH YADAV : When you contains these things. Now it will have to be seen cannot spare even Gandhiji, then what to talk of the as to how these are sought to be fulfilled by them. attack made on us on 4 April, 1994 .. (Interruptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir, he said that they would re-open respectable leader, I have never taken your name. the Sarkaria Commission Report which has been SHRl RASA SlNGH RAWAT : You are making gathering dust for so many years. With great difficulty allegations just for the sake of it. What picture are Centre-State relatlon was taken up for consideration. you projecting? ...( lnterriqtions) It was mentioned in the Punjab Accord that, the Centre-State relations would be reconsidered on the SHRl MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV :We want to make basis of Anandpur Saheb Resolution. The Sarkaria the country strong. We want to make the Muslims, Commission was constituted and it submitted a Sikhs, Christians, dalits, backwards, farmers and voluminous report running into two volumes. But no people belonging to the countryside strong enough. action was taken by the Government on it, even after We want to strengthen the country by providing 18 years. It required a lot of labour to prepare the special opportunities to the women folk. We support report. A large number of persons were examined the motion moved. in this connection. Representatives of all the States SARDAR SURJEET SlNGH BARNALA : Hon'ble were heard and the report was prepared. It appeared Speaker, Sir, I rise to oppose the motion. Deve that with this exerclse the relations between the Gowdaji is a gentleman. He belongs to a poor, farmer Centre and the States would improve to some extent, family. We are happy that our country has a Prime but the Government did not pay any attention to that Minister who is the son of a poor farmer. He has and the report was thrown into the dustbin. made his debut in the House as Prime Minister. He Mr. Speaker, Sir, now a large number of hon. should not be handicapped by the lauguage. Hindi Members belong to various regional parties. We is easy to learn within least time. wanted that we should walk together. Rather we Mr. Speaker, soon after taking over they have tried tor that. They have taken their declsion. It is made certain assertions, for example their minlmum said that, now there are 32 parties in the House. It programme prepared by them, which we are happy is all right. It was also said that United Front has about. They have said that they will amend suitably been constituted. I have since proposed that we the article 356 so as to prevent its mlsuse. Perhaps should join hands to form a National Government. they have said this keepmg us in vlew because this We had no objection to that. It would have been article has been repeatedly misused against us. beneficial for the country. 111 Motion of Confidence rn JUNE 11, 1996 tho Council of Ministers 1 12

Thlrteen parties have un~ted: Some more parties foreign company. Not a single bag of urea has are likely to join. It will be nice if they can unite but arrived here, The entire money has been embezzled. I am apprehensive about the functioning of the front The whole matter should be made public by as they are still short of majority. So, they needed tomorrow, because people are anxious to know the support from others for this. They need crutches to outcome. People want to know why urea did not move. a little, The Congress Party provided one arrive. What has gone wrong with it. The Government crutch and the CPM, the other, we are apprehensive should see to it that hurdles coming In its way are that the crutches may fall at any time. If the crutches removed. break, that will cause their downfall. Besides, the The Government has made an assertion that it past history shows that these people did not continue would espouse the cause of the minorities. We their support for long. One can notice fracture in the welcome the assertion. Everybody talks like this, ranks of left parties on this account. The CPI is but nobody has put It into practice. The Congress prepared to join the Government, but the CPM is in Party used to say so, but did not do. a fix. Negotiations are on. The forward block has decided not to join the Government. Different No culprit of 1984 riots has so far been punished. pictures have come to the fore. I was delighted Just now Shri Mulayam Singh said that some incident when the hon. Members from these benches said had taken place in Pilibhit and they took such and that the Government would run for five years. such action. I thanked him same time. They took prompt action. The action was in the right SHRl A.R. ANTULAY : We will see that it runs. perspective. Too much excesses had been SARDAR SURJIT SlNGH BARNALA : Mr. Antulay committed, People, were done to death in the jail said so. He is a very responsible person. I am glad itself. When I reported the matter to him, he took to hear this thing from him. They are our friends, let prompt action. We welcomed Ithe action. This had them run. We have no difficulty, but I do not see any also been published in the newspapers. But the probability. Bmause, these people who have a past massacre that took place in Delhi has no parallels. record that when they are opposed, they wait for the There was a relerence to killings taking place in opportunity to withdraw their support. This has been Mumbai. No doubt killings also took place at other the case earlier also and we are witnesses to such places, but the massacre at Delhi, the capital city of happenings. It has happened in this very House. the country assumes much importance, Innocent Splits were caused in parties After split, one section people were done to death by putting burning tyres was assured support. They make such loud claims on their necks. Thousand people were killed like to continue their support, but they did not do so for this. This type of massacre was never seen and a little while. The difficulty is that they have become never heard. All are sitting here. These people totally dependent on them Without the support they have joined hands with them. They accuse us and are nowhere. If they withdraw the support the entire we accuse them. They had been wlth us, we had game plan would fizzle out. There can be a number been with them. We have many things in common. of causes for this Today, we can find such an But taking support of the Congress Party which has atmosphere in the backdrop of the Urea Scandal. a dubious record. . These people had been directly The atmosphere is charged with speculations as to charged with the offence. A number of their blg who is going to be charged with the offence. leaders were involved. They took ten years to protect Everybody is making his own calculations in this them. Mr Speaker, Sir, you know that evidence regard. It is a very serious matter which was ralsed washes away in 10 years. Every effort was made lo in the morning, but it was not paid as much attention hush up the issue. It was not a small incident A as it should be. big thing has taken place Mr. Speaker, Sir, Punjab is an agricultural Stale. Not only in Delhi, similar things took place in Now-a-days.sowing of paddy is being undertaken in Kanpur also. Shri Mulayam Singh and other hon. the State. It is for the sake of the country that paddy Members know about it Hundred people were killed. is being grown in the State because the people of I would not like to go into that history...( Interruptions) Punjab do not eat rice. We produce 80 lakh metrlc tonnes of rice. Eighty lakh tonnes come to common SHRI MULAYAM SlNGH YADAV : We had taken pool. It is a big thing. Today we need Urea very action against the culprits in the Kanpur case. You urgently but it is not available. The N F.L. say that can find out. they are going to import Urea for which negotiations SARDAR SURJIT SlNGH BARNALA : Wherever are on. It would have been very helpful if it arrived. action was taken, it was a good thing. Shops People could have got the same. If Urea is not belonging to sikhs were looted in a city of Tamil available in time and put to use, the production will Nadu. 01 Course, they were compensated. In some suffer. The farmer will suffer. It should be enquired cases it was done. But in Delhi, effort was made to what has gone wrong with the Urea to arrive,. Rs. hush it up. We met the Prime Mmister, not once, but 1331- crore is not a small amount. It has been paid a number of times, but regrettably, no attention was to a company which is, perhaps, a non-exlstant, paid to this. As such we were helpless not to go 113 Motion of Confidence in JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Sake) the Council of Ministers :14 along with them. We said that we will not extend our [Transla tion] support where the Congress Party is suppoiting. That It is only pride of upper caste. is why we stood wlth these people who had expressed thelr sympathy with us. Some other [Eng iis h] people had also expressed sympathy, but for want of time, I could not acknowledge it that day. Shri MR. SPEAKER : I do not think senior Members Chandra Shekhar is sitting here. He had also should exchange words like this. They have tendered expressed sympathy. Shri V.P. Singh had expressed unqualified apology, this should be good enough sympathy. Since a very little time was at my disposal, ...(lnterruptions) I was very brief in my speech that day. MR. SPEAKER ; That is enough. With these words I conclude. (interruptions)

[English] MR. SPEAKER : Please, that is enough. They have apologised. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : They have got (Interruptions) only 40 seats. What about Congress ...(Interruptions) SHRl DATTA MEGHE : What is this Baramati? MR. SPEAKER : No, please. You cannot do that. Every Member has the rlght to say that. Why is he saying Baramati? ...(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : Please Megheji. (lnterruptions) (lnterruptions) KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : If this is happen~nginside the House what will happen [Trans la tion] outside...(Interruptions) SHRl DATTA MEGHE : Mention his name, are MR. SPEAKER : Now that is a very bad you shy of mentioning his name? Why do you say behaviour. Baramati? . . (lnterruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : It is enough. Please take your MR SPEAKER : Okay. seat now. (Interruptions) 18.42 hrs. MR. SPEAKER . Please sit down (Shri P.M. Sayeed in the Chair) (Interruptions) [English] MR SPEAKER : I am very sorry This is not the SHRl N.K. PREMACHANDRAN (Quilon) : Sir I way In which Members of Parliament should behave. am a new Member of this House and this is my This is very unbecoming ot us. maiden speech. My humble submission is, if any (lnterruptions) error comes out of my speech that may kindly be DR. MURLl MANOHAR JOSHl Sir, I entirely pardoned agree with you that this sort of behavlours IS not Sir, on behalf of my party RSP, I support the expected of an hon. Member of this House. I Motion of Confidence in the Council of Ministers apologise on behalf of my party on th~s.(lnterrupf~ns) moved by the hon. Prime Minister Sh. H.D.Deve MR SPEAKER : He has apologised. Gowda. (lnterrupt~ons) Sir, thls is the second time this House has assembled to pass the verdict on a Conf~dence DR. MURLl MANOHAR JOSHl : Sir, this is not Motion. As you are well aware, 15 days ago the correct. My friend from Baramati says, 'this is all former Prime Minister Shri Atal Biharl Vajpayee drama'. This is pot correct ...(Interruptions) moved a Motion of Confidence before this House. He had presented the Motion before the House but [Transla tion] unfortunately he did not wait for the verdict because SHRl SHARAD PAWAR : Have they any respect of the reasons well known to him. BJP was confident for women? that they were not able to get the majority of thls House, that is why they ran out of this House. They (Interruptions) did not wait of the verdict of this House. This is what [English] has happened in the last Session. MR. SPEAKER : I think, the matter is closed. I am very proud of the hon. Prime Minister, Shri H.D.Deve Gowda and I am sure that whatever be the (lnterrupt~ons) outcome of the voting, he will tace the voting and SHRl SHARAD PAWAR : You have no respect for will prove his majority in this House. That will be the women. .(Interruptions) outcome of th~sConfidence Motion. 115 Motion of Confidence in JUNE 11, I996 the Co.uncil of Ministers 1 16

On the 28th of last month, except BJP and Shiv for five years. We are very hopeful about that. We Sena alliance, the entire House stood behind secular do accept that the RSP and the left parties do have forces. some differences of opinion in regard to economic Also this is the first time in the history of lndian policies. We do accept that. At the same time we support this Government wlth the full expectation Parliament that a Confidence Motion seeking confidence in the Council of Ministers was not put to that the United Front Government wlll pursue the vote, was not put to its logical conclusion. That is pro-people democratic measures and also reverse the thing which has happened last time. the anti-people pollcies of the past Government. We also know that the basic demands of the tolling With all due respect to the hon, former Prime masses of lndia cannot be fulfilled, cannot be Minister, who is now the Leader of the Opposition, overcome by this Government, yet we support th~s may I ask a simple question, "Why did the BJP Government. As I have already stated, we are Government headed by Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee supporting this Government to save the country from run away from the House before the Motion was put the communal torces and also to safeguard the to vote?" That question is to be answered in this secularism. House. We expect an answer from the learned leader. Suppose the BJP was fully confident that they would Regarding corruption I have already pointed out not be able to get a majority, then why did they that this is a mandate against corruption. Sir, accept the offer by the President who relied on corruption is a growing disease; it is a cancerous conventions? The President is fully relying on the disease spreading in the lndian politlcal society. That conventions. If they were confident that they would has to be cut-off and removed. We are very proud not be able to form the Government on the basis of about our Prime Minister, who has very ably Sald majority, then why did they accept the offer from the today morning that no political interference on the President? That question has also to be answered part of the Government will be there on the in thls House. investigation of the corruption allegations. Regarding the mandate of the people in the I once again support this Motion of Confidence recent Lok Sabha elections, almost all the veteran in the Council of Ministers. Also I would like to say leaders have already spoken about ~t.No party has that the RSP is of the firm belief that the scandals been given majority. So, the mandate of the people and the scams surfaced during the last five years very clearly shows that the people of lndia want a will be investigated and also those who are secular, a democratic and a coalit~onGovernment. responsible will be punished. At this moment I That is the mandate of the people. The mandate of congratulate the hon. Prime Minister of lndia for the people is against communalism and also the saying that no political interference will be there on mandate of the people is against corruption. That 1s the investigattons of the corruption allegations. the mandate of the people during the recent Lok Respected Prime Minister, Sir, the entire nation Sabha elections. has planned all hopes on you as you are one among By appointing Shri Deve Gowdaji as the Prime them. Minister of lndia by the President, the mandate of So the people of lndia stand solidly behind you. the people is tulfilled, the mandate of the people is The people of India, the youth, the children, the being reflected in the new, Government. The students, the working-classes, the toiling masses of excellent speech *made today morning by the hon lndia are behind you, Mr. Prime Minister, Sir. You go Prime Minster would prove that he is the proper ahead against the forces of communalism and fight person to be the Prime Minister of thls country. against corruption. We all will be with you. Thls House. whlch represents the cross sections With these words, I reiterate our RSP's stand to ol th~scountry stands solidly behind the secular support the Confidence Motion. torces. We stand for secular~sm. The main aim and object ol this United Front Government is to protect SHRl CHITTA BASU (Barasat) : Sir, I deem ~t a the secular p~llarsof the lndian democracy. great privilege to support the Confidence Mot~on. Also regarding the Minimum Programme of the Sir, I heartily welcome the installation of the lrmrted Front Government - we are 14 parties in the United Front Government by Shri H.D. Deve Gowda. United Front Government - we are having different This installation of the new Government symbolizes programmes and policies but we are united together the timely and resounding victory of all progressive, only to safeguard the secular character of India, to democratic, secular and the left forces in the country. save the country from the communal forces and to It also represents a new era in our lndian politics. save the country from disaster. For implementing The new era, as the mandate has clearly shown, is the Min~mumProgramme we are united together as the era of coalition. Now we have to answer tte the United Front. With more strength we will march question on coalition or coalescence. For this the forward and the United Front Government will last United Front has answered or responded to the call 117 Motion of ConNdonco In JYAISTHA 21, 1918 (Saka) the Council of Ministers 1 1 8 of this era, by way of agreelng to form a coalition of to the surface In the earlier years. It is a declaration progressive left democratic and patriotic forces so of the tirm determination of the Government to as to bring about a change in the body politic of cleanse the public life to encourage the public India. probity and morality and I think it is also a programme On the other hand, Sir, i also want to remind our for upholding the value-based politics in our country friends of the BJP that they also wanted or sought a and to bring about a radical change and qualitative coalition. They went in for coalescence and that change in the administration of the country. coalescence is not the easy coalescence of the Lastly, in this context I must say that this reactionary forces, but of the communal forces, of programme facilitates the transition to a process of the forces of religious fundamentalism and new socio-economic transformation. Having regard revlvalism. If that coalescence remains in power, it to all this, I think it would be a great privilege on the will be a great danger for the unity and integrity of part of this House to express confidence in the new our country. That Is the difference between the two Council of Ministers and I think the Prime Minister coalitions. One coalition of forces is to push the would also promise this House and through this country backward and another coalition is the House the country that they will continue their efforts coalition which wants to push the country towards to implement the programme as has been laid down better economic and social progress. in the Common Minimum Programme. Sir, so far as the Common Minimum Programme SHRl BIRENDRA PRASAD BAISHYA (Mangaldoi): is concerned, it is a landmark in one sense in the Respected Chairman Sir, I stand to speak in favour' struggle of the people. of the Motion moved by hon. Prime Minister Shri MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude. Deve Gowda. SHRl CHlTTA BASU : Sir, I shall not take much Mr. Chairman, in the recently conciuc'ed General time. It is not merely a programme of the Government. Election, the people have voted in favour of When I say that, I am convinced. This Minimum secularism and against all forms of communal~sm. Programme has been the programme which is the Our Party, the Assam Gana Parishad is a secular, product, resultmg out of the continuous mass struggle democratic regional political party with a national in our counlry. This programme resulted out of the outlook. We believe in secularism. The United Front struggle of the workers, the struggle of the peasants, Government led by hon. Prime Minister Shri Deve the stuggle of the agricultural workers, the struggle Gowda is also committed to secularism. Therefore. of the youths, students, women and other exploited we extend our full support and total cooperation to segments of our society It is an important step the United Front Government. forward in mobilizing the people of our country. This As you know, Assam has been facing some Common Minimum Programme has produced or serious problems after the historic Assam Movement. presented an alternative' approach to the In the year 1985 the Assam Accord was signed by admmistration: not only an alternative approach to the then Prime Minister with the leaders of All Assam administration but also an alternative approach to Students Union and the Assam Gana Sangrarn the socio-economic policies of our country. This is Parishad But due to the ignorance and negligence very important. of the successive Central Governments, most of the MR. CHARIMAN : Please conclude. clauses of the Assam Accord remain unfulfilled. SHRl CHlTTA BASU : It says that this coalition or Assam is famous for her natural and mlneral this Common Minimum Programme promises an resources. Assam is famous for its tea, crude 011. alternate model of governance based on federalism, natural gas, plywood, vast forest and water decentralization, accountability, equality, social resources. But it is quite unfortunate that justice, economic and political reforms, respect for economically Assam in particular and North-Eastern human freedoms, openness and transparencey. Region in general remained extremely backward

MR. CHAIRMAN : At seven o' clock we are 19.00 hrr. adjourning. I have to accommodate one more speaker. Sir, we have faced the problem of insurgency for SHRl CHlTTA BASU : I am glad to listen to the a number of years. The ULFA and BRWSF problems speech of the Prlm'e Minister early In the morning of Assam cannot be solved by imposition of Army or that in order to ensure transparency, that in order to by the power of barrel. Only a meaningful political ensure accountability, that in order to ensure the dialogue along with the economic development of proper functioning of the Government he will not the State are main weapons tor peace. hesitate to take any action against all corrupt Sir, I am extremely happy that recently the United practices which have been brought to his notice and Front had declared their Common Min~mum 119 Motion ot Confidence in JUNE 11, 1996 tho Councll of Ministers 120

Programme wherein this problem of Assam was In the said Conventlon, in another Resolution. brought into the focus. I am also extremely happy our party had asked the then Central Government to note that the hon. the Prime Minister, Shri Deve not to mlsuso Article 356 of the Indian Constitution. Gowda, promised to solve the various problems of We, the people of Assam, are the victims of Article Assam and the North-Eastern Region on a priorlty 356. In the year 1990, President Rule was imposed basis .. .(Interruptions) in our State wlthout any valld reason. I am extremely happy that the present Prime Minister has announced [Trans la tion] that the United Front Government is not going to SHRl BRAHAMANAND MANDAL (Monghyr) : Mr. mlsuse Artlcle 356, of the Indian Constltution. Chairman, Sir it is 7 o'clock. Sir, on behalf of the A.G.P, and on behalf of the people of Assam, I extend our whole-hearted suppolt [English] to the United Front Government. I am optimistic that MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude now. this Government will react favourably to the (Interruptions) sentiments and feelings of people of Assam and the people of the North-Eastern Region by positive SHRl BIRENDRA PRASAD BAISHYA : Sir, in the action. year 1987 the Convention of our A.G.P. was held at Mangaldoi. In a Resolution, our Party asked the 19.04 hra. then Central Government to implement the Report of the Sarkaria Commission. I am extremely happy to The Lok Sabha then adjourned HI1 Eleven of the note that the present Prime Minister, Shri Dew Clock on Wednesday, June 12, 1996/ Gowda has taken keen interest to implement the Jyaistha 22, 1918(Saka). recommendations of the Sarkaria Commission.