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Vol. 153 WASHINGTON, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2007 No. 161 House of Representatives The House met at 9 a.m. and was don’t meet the goal. But the fact is of the problem as we promise more called to order by the Speaker pro tem- that there still is one-third that are water to more diverse users than na- pore (Mr. LINCOLN DAVIS of Tennessee). not in compliance with our basic water ture can deliver. f quality standards. It is time for us to revisit, not just When we look under the ground, the the celebration of the 35th anniversary DESIGNATION OF SPEAKER PRO situation is even worse. There are over of the Clean Water Act, but revisit our TEMPORE 72,000 miles of sewer pipe and water commitment that is embodied in that The SPEAKER pro tempore laid be- main that are over 80 years old. It is Act and where we are going over the fore the House the following commu- one of the reason large sink holes open next 35 years. up and swallow trucks in American nication from the Speaker: It is important that we deal with streets, why the American Society of WASHINGTON, DC, October 23, 2007. very real problems of environmental Civil Engineers has given our water in- I hereby appoint the Honorable LINCOLN quality requirements to save fish and AVIS frastructure a D-minus grade. D to act as Speaker pro tempore on this wildlife and protect eco systems and, day. All of this is compounded by the indeed, human life. We are watching NANCY PELOSI, stress from global warming, as we see Speaker of the House of Representatives. not just the ice caps shrink but the the problems of diminishing supplies as we mine fossilized water in ancient un- f snow pack being reduced, we watch evaporation being accelerated as a re- derground aquifers. Global warming of MORNING-HOUR DEBATE sult of the elevated temperatures, and course is going to make all of these The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- we see that thirsty crops need more problems more complex, more severe, ant to the order of the House of Janu- water because of the global warming. and harder to solve. ary 4, 2007, the Chair will now recog- Agriculture of course is 90 percent of Every Member of Congress needs to nize Members from lists submitted by our water commitment. do more than just celebrate the 35th the majority and minority leaders for Now, there is going to be more fric- anniversary of the Clean Water Act. I morning-hour debate. tion, more problems over time with would hope that, in the months ahead, The Chair will alternate recognition Water and Agriculture. We have some every one of us does an assessment at between the parties, with each party of our programs that have been enacted home to find out how bad the situation limited to 25 minutes and each Mem- that are just plain silly. We continue is with our local water supply, storm ber, other than the majority and mi- to grow heavily subsidized cotton with water, sewage, and drainage. Are we nority leaders and the minority whip, subsidized water in the desert, some- one of the over 1,000 communities with limited to 5 minutes, but in no event thing that long since should have been combined sewer overflow problems? shall debate continue beyond 9:50 a.m. phased out. The New York Times Mag- How is it going to be paid for? What is The Chair recognizes the gentleman azine this weekend featured the South- the planning that needs to take place? from Oregon (Mr. BLUMENAUER) for 5 west United States water problems, es- Every one of us should be insisting minutes. pecially centered on the Colorado that we shift to basinwide framework f River and the demands that are rising for analyzing and solving water prob- there. But this tremendous problem is lems, not just looking at isolated in- CLEAN WATER ACT not limited to the southwest. On the stances. Mr. BLUMENAUER. Mr. Speaker, front page of this morning’s paper we It is time for us to be serious about a last week we observed the 35th anniver- see the Georgia delegation in Congress funding solution. In 1978, the Federal sary of the Clean Water Act, and it was is suggesting that they deal with their Government provided 78 percent of the an important observation here on the severe drought and water supply prob- funding for our water quality problems. floor as we dealt with the impact that lems by ignoring the environmental Today, that is just 3 percent. Even that that new law had, the heightened regulations of the Endangered Species 3 percent is as uncertain, as it is inad- awareness and the progress that re- Act, upsetting not just environmental- equate. It is time to establish a water sulted. Back in 1972 when the law was ists but their friends downstream. It is trust fund, like the Highway Trust enacted, only one-third of our water- a problem we are familiar with in the Fund, to help be a partner with State ways met water quality standards. Pacific Northwest, where we have a se- and local communities in meeting Two-thirds did not. In the course of verely water stressed Klamath River water quality needs. Finally, we need that 35 years, we have reversed that: Basin, where the Federal Government to begin addressing the ultimate ques- Now there are only one-third that as in most all instances has been part tion of who is going to get the water

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VerDate Aug 31 2005 23:40 Oct 23, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.000 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11850 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 and why, beyond just some historic ac- WELCOMING THE REVEREND dress the House for 1 minute and to re- cident and water rights policy no BOBBY L. JOHNSON vise and extend his remarks.) longer adequate for today’s challenges. Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. I strongly urge my friends in Con- (Mr. BOOZMAN asked and was given Madam Speaker, last week, America’s gress to reflect on the 35th anniversary permission to address the House for 1 number one radio personality, Rush of the Clean Water Act by getting seri- minute.) Limbaugh, auctioned off for charity a ous today with our constituents at Mr. BOOZMAN. Madam Speaker, it is letter shamefully signed by a group of home about what we are going to do for my pleasure to introduce a good friend, 41 Democratic Senators. The letter to the next 35 years of clean water. a man who ministers to the men and Limbaugh’s employer attacked Rush women of western Arkansas, a man of for comments blatantly distorted by f God, our guest chaplain, the Reverend Media Matters regarding persons who RECESS Bobby L. Johnson of Van Buren, Ar- had lied about their service in the mili- kansas. He has been pastor of First As- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- tary. sembly of God in Van Buren since June ant to clause 12(a) of rule I, the Chair I am happy to report that the Senate of 1980. Since then, the church has declares the House in recess until 10 letter of infamy was auctioned for $2.1 grown from over 200 at Sunday School a.m. today. million, an amount Rush says he will to over 2,000, placing it among the fast- Accordingly (at 9 o’clock and 6 min- generously match. That brings the est growing Sunday Schools in Arkan- utes a.m.), the House stood in recess total to $4.2 million. sas and the Nation. The money will be donated to the until 10 a.m. His mission is bringing the Word to Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foun- f the people through his extensive out- dation. This charitable organization b 1000 reach, from mobile ministry to tele- provides financial assistance to the vision and over the Internet. A grad- children of fallen marines and law en- AFTER RECESS uate of both the University of Central forcement officers. I wish to commend The recess having expired, the House Arkansas and Evangel College in Mis- Rush for overcoming what was clearly was called to order by the Speaker pro souri, Pastor Johnson has taught pub- a political ploy to chill his first amend- tempore (Ms. DEGETTE) at 10 a.m. lic high school and pastored three ment rights of free speech. Rush took f other churches in Arkansas. an abusive power by Democratic lead- It is my honor to welcome Pastor ership and turned it into something PRAYER Johnson to the House of Representa- positive. Between Rush Limbaugh and The Reverend Bobby L. Johnson, tives and thank him for his service to Senate Democrats, America knows who First Assembly of God, Van Buren, Ar- his calling and to the people of Arkan- really supports our troops. kansas, offered the following prayer: sas. In conclusion, God bless our troops and we will never forget September the Almighty God, today we come hum- f bly and thankfully to You. Humbly, for 11th. allowing each of us to be in our posi- SCHIP f tions and thankfully, for Your guid- (Mr. KAGEN asked and was given DEMOCRATS TRYING TO EASE THE ance at this time. permission to address the House for 1 PAIN OF MIDDLE CLASS FAMI- None of us knows what this day minute and to revise and extend his re- LIES BY MAKING COLLEGE AF- holds, but we trust You to see us marks.) FORDABLE Mr. KAGEN. Madam Speaker, our through every decision we make. Help (Mr. CLEAVER asked and was given Nation’s values are reflected in how we us to realize that it is by Your hand permission to address the House for 1 spend taxpayers’ hard-earned money. that we are free and well. Grant us wis- minute and to revise and extend his re- Yesterday, rather than encouraging us dom to know the right thing to do in marks.) every decision. Give us the strength to to invest in the good health of our chil- Mr. CLEAVER. Madam Speaker, I am follow through with what is right re- dren here at home, the President asked very pleased to have the opportunity to gardless of the consequences. for permission to spend $200 billion in address the House. I am excited to be a Within the hands of these public Iraq. Well, it is okay to ask and it is Democrat. I always take pleasure in servants rests the destiny of this great okay to respond by saying, ‘‘No, thank giving reasons for why I am a member Nation. Help this great body to bring you.’’ The health of our Nation’s chil- of the Democratic Party. peace to our Nation and the world. dren is more valuable than making Since taking control of Congress, Give them the wisdom of Solomon, the more of a mess in Iraq. Democrats have worked to pass legisla- strength of Samson, the faith of Abra- My friends, enough is enough. It is tion that will help families once again ham, and the ability of David to ac- time to spend our tax dollars right here live the American Dream. Over the last complish the challenges we face. In at home. Last week, 44 Republicans 6 years, college costs have shot up 40 Jesus’ name, Amen. joined the Democratic majority in at- percent, putting higher education out f tempting to override the President’s of reach for most Americans. I have veto of the State Children’s Health In- one son in college today, and I can tell THE JOURNAL surance Program, known as SCHIP. you I am excited over the fact that we The SPEAKER pro tempore. The This issue is not going away. We will passed, and the President did, in fact, Chair has examined the Journal of the prevail. It is a matter of how long it sign the College Cost Reduction Act of last day’s proceedings and announces will take. 2007. This law is the single largest in- to the House her approval thereof. Here are some facts to keep in mind: crease in college aid since the GI Bill. Pursuant to clause 1, rule I, the Jour- SCHIP saves tax dollars by sending It strengthens the middle class by cut- nal stands approved. children in need to the doctor’s office, ting interest rates in half and sub- not to the costly emergency room. And f sidizes student loans over the next 5 over 90 percent of those in SCHIP earn years. We are also able, in this bill, to PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE less than $41,000 a year. There is a bet- increase the maximum Pell Grant The SPEAKER pro tempore. Will the ter way of doing things in America. By scholarships by $500. gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. working together, we will find it and Madam Speaker, I am pleased and I BOOZMAN) come forward and lead the guarantee access to health care for all am excited to be a Democrat. House in the Pledge of Allegiance. those in need. f Mr. BOOZMAN led the Pledge of Alle- f SCHIP giance as follows: RUSH LIMBAUGH LETTER RAISES (Mr. BOUSTANY asked and was I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the MILLIONS United States of America, and to the Repub- given permission to address the House lic for which it stands, one nation under God, (Mr. WILSON of South Carolina for 1 minute and to revise and extend indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. asked and was given permission to ad- his remarks.)

VerDate Aug 31 2005 23:40 Oct 23, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.003 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11851 Mr. BOUSTANY. Madam Speaker, Brigade have done everything their but billions of dollars in spending in SCHIP continues to be used as a polit- country has asked of them and more. no-bid contracts for Halliburton? We ical game by Washington liberals. Sen- We all should have the utmost respect have increased the debt. We are putting sible, effective compromise does exist and admiration for their service and it on our kids’ shoulders, and now we to bring meaningful bipartisan support sacrifice. are telling our kids we can’t afford to for this necessary program. f help them with the x-rays. The Kids First bill, of which I am a f cosponsor, adds 1.3 million new chil- DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS dren to the SCHIP program by 2012. It MONTH FISA encourages the States to move children (Mr. SMITH of Nebraska asked and (Mr. PITTS asked and was given per- to private coverage. Kids First provides was given permission to address the mission to address the House for 1 $14 billion in new SCHIP allotments, House for 1 minute and to revise and minute and to revise and extend his re- and it includes $400 million in grants extend his remarks.) marks.) for outreach and enrollment. This is a Mr. SMITH of Nebraska. Madam Mr. PITTS. Madam Speaker, in the sensible approach. Speaker, recently Congress passed early hours of May 11, seven U.S. sol- I support SCHIP, and I am com- House Resolution 590, supporting the diers were on lookout near a patrol mitted to ensuring that it is a success- goals of Domestic Violence Awareness base in Iraq. Some time before dawn, ful program that helps children who Month while raising awareness of do- heavily armed al Qaeda gunmen made need it and the children for whom it mestic violence throughout our coun- coordinated surprise attacks on the was really intended, those who are in try. I am here to voice my support for soldiers. Four of the soldiers were poverty. It makes SCHIP a program for everyone impacted by this horrible killed and three others taken hostage. those whom it was intended for. nightmare. This is an issue which af- What happened next is a travesty and a I thank my colleagues, Representa- fects millions in urban and rural areas failure of our public policy in support tives CAMP and HULSHOF, for their alike. It crosses economic lines, geo- of the troops in the field. A search to work on this bill. I ask my colleagues graphic lines and ethnic lines. No seg- rescue the men began immediately but on the other side of the aisle to join us ment of our population is immune. One was brought to a halt because of our in this compromise approach to help out of five women and one out of 14 FISA law, by the need for military law- put our poor children first. men have been domestically assaulted yers to jump through legal hoops in f at some point in their lives. order to gain approval to conduct sur- In my home State of Nebraska, there RECOGNIZING THE U.S. ARMY’S veillance of terrorist communications. are more than 5,800 protection orders Ten hours passed before they were 3RD ARROWHEAD BRIGADE–2ND needed for those living in fear of vio- INFANTRY DIVISION granted such permission. The search lence. Domestic violence is an issue for a kidnapped U.S. soldier was halted (Mr. SMITH of Washington asked and which too often is swept under the rug so that lawyers could find grounds to was given permission to address the or ignored. So as part of the Domestic have the Attorney General grant spe- House for 1 minute and to revise and Violence Awareness Month, I am wear- cial permission to listen in on the com- extend his remarks.) ing a purple ribbon to raise awareness munications between the individuals in Mr. SMITH of Washington. Madam about the crime of domestic abuse as Iraq. Our FISA law, as the President Speaker, I rise today to pay tribute to we work toward ending this violence. has requested, needs reform, not the a U.S. Army brigade from Fort Lewis, f flawed bill the Democrats are seeking Washington, that has served with dis- to pass. tinction in Iraq. SCHIP On October 11, the last of the roughly (Mr. ISRAEL asked and was given f 3,800 men and women of the 3rd Bri- permission to address the House for 1 b 1015 gade-2nd Infantry Division returned minute and to revise and extend his re- home to Fort Lewis after completing marks.) SPENDING FOR CHIP VERSUS their second deployment to Iraq. The Mr. ISRAEL. Madam Speaker, last SPENDING IN IRAQ—IT’S ALL A Arrowhead Brigade has been a trail- week, despite the best efforts of the QUESTION OF PRIORITIES blazer for the Army as the first brigade Democratic majority and about 44 Re- (Mr. HODES asked and was given per- to be outfitted with the Stryker com- publicans, we were unable to override mission to address the House for 1 bat vehicles, the first Stryker Brigade the President’s veto of health insur- minute and to revise and extend his re- to serve in Iraq, and now the first ance for the children of poor and work- marks.) Stryker Brigade to complete two tours ing families. Now, I listened to the ar- Mr. HODES. Madam Speaker, last in Iraq. gument that we can’t afford providing week the rubber stamp Republicans in During their recent deployment, the health care for our children, despite this House once again held true to Arrowhead Brigade supported oper- the fact that our SCHIP program was their name by voting to stand with the ations in Mosul, Baghdad, Baqubah, entirely paid for. President and reject health care cov- and other critical areas. On several oc- Look, Madam Speaker, I believe that erage for 10 million American children. casions they were asked to secure a strong Nation can do both. You can The spending priorities of the Presi- downed U.S. aircraft and the sites of be fiscally responsible and you can dent’s Republican allies in the House numerous suicide attacks. In addition, take care of your children. Good fami- are simply out of line with the prior- the Arrowhead Brigade constantly re- lies manage to be fiscally responsible ities of the American people. In fact, mained prepared to mobilize and de- and take care of their children. It is the 86 percent of Americans who sup- ploy anywhere in Iraq for any number just a matter of priorities. I will say, port this bipartisan CHIP reauthoriza- of contingencies within 24 hours. Madam Speaker, that I was struck by tion might be interested to know that In tribute to their brave service, some of the mispriorities that I heard for the cost of just 37 days in Iraq, we seven members of the brigade were about. The same people who said that could provide health care coverage to awarded the Silver Star, the United we can’t afford health insurance for 10 million children. Yet the President’s States’ third highest award for combat our children increased spending 7 per- irresponsible, open-ended commitment valor. In the course of their deploy- cent a year since 2001 and voted to in- to the occupation in Iraq continues, ment, the Arrowhead Brigade lost 48 of crease our debt limit 4 out of the past while the number of American children their comrades, with another 700 5 years. The difference is that they without access to health care keeps wounded. spent on the wrong things. No spend- climbing. I want to express my deep condo- ing? We can’t afford health care for Madam Speaker, yesterday the Presi- lences to the 3–2 Brigade and the fami- children but billions of dollars in tax dent asked Congress to borrow another lies of those fallen soldiers. Their con- cuts for the most profitable oil compa- $196 billion to continue his failed tribution and sacrifice will not be for- nies on Earth? We can’t afford spending blank-check, no-plan policy in Iraq. gotten. The men and women of the 3–2 for health insurance for our children But he and his Republican friends in

VerDate Aug 31 2005 01:19 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.006 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11852 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 this body apparently feel that spending erans, more police on the streets, car- SCHIP supporters are even more de- $35 billion on a highly successful pro- ing for American families. termined than ever to get this done by gram that provides health care to unin- Madam Speaker, as Congress begins the mid-November deadline. Let’s all sured children is excessive. to examine the President’s latest war- finish this job. For children’s health It’s time for Republicans to stop funding bill, we will once again demand care in America, it’s fourth and goal on blindly following the President and that the President change course in the 1-yard line. Working together, we start helping American families. Iraq and get a responsible plan to bring can overpower anyone left blocking the f our troops home within the year. way. f THE TAXPAYER CHOICE ACT f SUPPORT FOR BELARUS (Mrs. BACHMANN asked and was THE MEANING OF THE RESTORE given permission to address the House (Mr. MARIO DIAZ-BALART of Flor- ACT for 1 minute and to revise and extend ida asked and was given permission to (Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- her remarks.) address the House for 1 minute.) fornia asked and was given permission Mrs. BACHMANN. Madam Speaker, I Mr. MARIO DIAZ-BALART of Flor- to address the House for 1 minute and want to bring before the body this ida. Madam Speaker, I rise today to ac- to revise and extend his remarks.) morning an issue that needs more at- knowledge the pro-democracy rally Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- tention, not less, and that is the issue that took place in Belarus on October fornia. Madam Speaker, as we listen to of the huge blob that ate the American 7. During this event, thousands of pro- the comments of our colleagues on the Dream called the alternative minimum testers flooded the streets of the cap- other side of the aisle, it is obvious tax. One thing that we are seeing is ital city in support of democracy and that what they intend to do is to make that the alternative minimum tax, to demand free and fair elections. The this ‘‘SCHIP Week’’ and ‘‘SCHIP Madam Speaker, is set to rise at a level protesters shouted ‘‘Belarus and Eu- Month.’’ You kind of wonder why they so unprecedented that the American rope,’’ and they waved European Union are doing this. economy has not experienced anything flags to express outrage against Alex- Reflect back on last week when we like this in the last 40 years. ander Lukashenko. That is the person had a most important vote scheduled Right now, the tax burden for the av- the State Department has labeled ‘‘the for this floor that somehow was re- erage American and to the economy is last dictator of Europe.’’ moved. It was called the FISA vote. It It is time for this dictator, who about 18.5 percent of GDP. If we don’t is the question of how we enable our- cheated his way into office by stealing scale back on the alternative minimum selves to protect us and our children the elections last year, to step aside, tax, we are looking at the tax burden and our grandchildren against the at- step down, and let the people decide tacks of those who are terrorists of GDP being almost 24 percent by mid- who should lead their country through around the world. We do it in many century. We have never seen this level legitimate and clean elections. The ways, but absolutely essential is intel- of taxation in our GDP. This means world must not tolerate evil dictators, ligence. this money will come out of the pock- and this one must step aside to allow Madam Speaker, the FISA bill, the ets of the American taxpayer and will Belarus to join the modern world rath- Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, go into the coffers of the Federal Gov- er than suffer under the oppressive and would have been destroyed by the bill ernment. selfish rule of one man. placed on the floor last week by the This is a big concern, Madam Speak- I applaud, Madam Speaker, the cour- majority, the so-called RESTORE Act. er, one that I am very concerned about, age of the protesters who took to the It actually gave greater protection to as I know most of the Members in this streets in Belarus, and I stand with Osama bin Laden in a telephone con- Chamber are as well. them in their quest for freedom, de- versation than an American citizen in In 1969, when the alternative min- mocracy, and the rule of law. the United States accused of a crime. imum tax came in, it was 155 people. I f RESTORE: What does it mean? Re- will close with the fact that this year peal Effective Surveillance Techniques REAUTHORIZE SCHIP we are looking at 23 million Americans Opposing Real Enemies. Go out to NSA impacted. (Mr. CARNAHAN asked and was and see what they are doing. Under- f given permission to address the House stand what we need to do in this coun- for 1 minute and to revise and extend PRESIDENT BUSH ASKS FOR AN- try and then bring a bill back to this his remarks.) OTHER $196 BILLION TO FUND floor that restores the ability of the Mr. CARNAHAN. Madam Speaker, THE WAR IN IRAQ IN 2008 United States to find out about our en- President Bush and about 10 House Re- emies before they attack. (Ms. SHEA-PORTER asked and was publicans are all that stand between 10 f given permission to address the House million children and the health care for 1 minute.) they need and deserve. I am deeply dis- TRIBUTE TO KENNETH T. Ms. SHEA-PORTER. Madam Speak- appointed in the President’s dumb- WHALUM, SR. er, yesterday President Bush asked founding veto of the SCHIP bill. He (Mr. COHEN asked and was given per- Congress to rubber-stamp his plan to reneged on his pledge he made when mission to address the House for 1 spend $196 billion next year on the war running for re-election in 2004. minute.) in Iraq. I have to tell the President: The bill to reauthorize SCHIP con- Mr. COHEN. Madam Speaker, the not a nickel more for this war. tinues coverage for 6 million kids cur- City of Memphis, Tennessee, has lost Since the beginning of this year, con- rently covered and provides incentives one of its finest citizens, Kenneth gressional Democrats have been trying for another 4 million kids who have Whalum, Sr. to change a war policy from one where been falling through the cracks of the Kenneth Whalum, Sr., passed away our troops will stay there for more health care system. The program con- last night. He was a pastor, he was a than a decade, to one where we have a tinues to focus on low- and moderate- two-time city councilman, he was a fa- responsible redeployment and bring the income families who earn too much for ther, he was a family man, he was a troops home next year. The President the Medicaid program, but can’t afford leader in our community. believes it’s acceptable to spend bil- private health care. For 30 years, he was the pastor of the lions of dollars in Iraq, while impor- Madam Speaker, the big momentum Olivet Baptist Church and very highly tant domestic priorities here in our behind this historic bill is growing ex- respected in the community and among own country go unmet. ponentially and will not be stopped. To the clergy. For 8 years, he was a city While the President was crafting his those blocking the SCHIP reauthoriza- councilman, one time as a district $196 billion war supplemental, the tion from becoming law, I say either councilman in a community known as Democratic House approved appropria- get on board, get out of the way, or get Orange Mound. Then when he saw a tions bills that included targeted in- run over. The children’s health care higher calling and the need to address vestments in our priorities here at bill is on its way, either with or with- a higher subject, he ran against an in- home: education, health care for vet- out you. cumbent city councilman, at the time

VerDate Aug 31 2005 23:40 Oct 23, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.008 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11853 unheard of, and was elected at large, redeployment out of Iraq so that the Whereas, on October 18, 2007, in a press re- one of the first African Americans Iraqis can finally take control of their lease, Rep. Pete Stark is quoted as saying: ‘‘I elected at large to the Memphis City own fate and so that we are no longer respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who Council. sending more than $2 billion there keep them in harms way nor the chickenhawks in Congress.’’ He was also a postal service employee every week. Whereas, the Member from California, Mr. and had a career there and rose Madam Speaker, House Democrats Stark, engaged in personally abusive lan- through the ranks to director of per- are committed to bringing our troops guage toward the President and Members of sonnel. For that reason, this House, home, but we can’t do it alone. I hope the House, including the use of language and this week with the President’s ac- this outrageous funding request serves that impugns their motives. tion, the post office at Third Street in as a wake-up call to my Republican Whereas, the Member from California, Mr. Memphis, Tennessee, will be named the friends and starts a new dialogue to Stark dishonors not only the Commander-in- Kenneth T. Whalum, Sr., Postal Build- bring our troops home. Chief, but the thousands of courageous men and women of America’s armed forces who ing. That is a tribute to his work and f believe in their mission and are putting their all postal employees. DISCLOSE SALARIES OF CERTAIN lives on the line for our freedom and secu- He had a family of which the City of rity. Memphis is proud. His son Kenneth, GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS Whereas, the Member from California, Mr. Jr., is a pastor and a member of the (Mr. MURPHY of Connecticut asked Stark, has failed to retract his statement school board. His son Kirk Whalum is a and was given permission to address and apologize to the Members of the House, world-renowned saxophonist, and his the House for 1 minute.) our Commander-in-Chief, and the families of other son Kevin is a musician with a Mr. MURPHY of Connecticut. Madam our soldiers and commanders fighting terror contract and a poet. overseas. Speaker, when will it end with Black- Resolved, That the Member from Cali- There have been many great families water? Probably not soon enough. Just fornia, Mr. Stark, by his despicable conduct, in the City of Memphis to get involved yesterday, the Committee on Oversight has dishonored himself and brought discredit in politics, but none greater than the and Government Reform released find- to the House and merits the censure of the Whalums. The hair of the hypocrite ings that show that Blackwater has po- House for the same. never was upon this family, and the tentially misclassified hundreds of Resolved, The Member from California, Mr. idea of discrimination and bigotry or workers in Iraq and Afghanistan, evad- Stark, is hereby so censured. intolerance never disgraced them ei- ing taxes and costing the taxpayers in b 1030 ther. He was a leader in biracial poli- the United States at least $30 million. tics and activities in the City of Mem- This comes a few weeks after the same The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mrs. phis. He was a leader in being bipar- committee discovered that Blackwater TAUSCHER). The resolution presents a tisan as well. is raking in potentially $100 million in question of privilege. There have been few people like Ken- profit off of their government con- MOTION TO TABLE OFFERED BY MR. THOMPSON neth Whalum, Sr., in the City of Mem- tracts. We have got to get this situa- OF MISSISSIPPI phis. There will be few to come. I share tion under control. Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. his loss greatly. He was a supporter of That is why I, along with Mr. WELCH Madam Speaker, I move to lay the res- mine who, although he had a stroke and Chairman WAXMAN, have intro- olution on the table. and had difficulty walking, came down duced legislation to require that pri- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The and did a political ad for me when he vate government contractors receiving question is on the motion to table. could hardly get up the stairs, and on more than 80 percent of their revenue The question was taken; and the television it was like an angel speak- from Federal contracts, like Black- Speaker pro tempore announced that ing. When JOHN CONYERS came to Mem- water, must disclose the salaries of the ayes appeared to have it. phis in February, he made it up a their most highly compensated em- Mr. BOEHNER. Madam Speaker, on whole flight of stairs to see JOHN CON- ployees. that I demand the yeas and nays. YERS, and a happier man I have not It just isn’t right for executives at The yeas and nays were ordered. seen. He knew the post office was being Blackwater or anywhere else to make The vote was taken by electronic de- named for him before he passed. I am their fortune off of war profiteering. It vice, and there were—yeas 196, nays happy he knew that and I am happy I is our money, and we deserve to know 173, answered ‘‘present’’ 8, not voting knew him. We have lost a great leader. how it is being used. 55, as follows: f I urge my colleagues to join me in [Roll No. 986] NEW DIALOGUE NEEDED TO BRING supporting this commonsense legisla- YEAS—196 tion. TROOPS HOME Abercrombie Conyers Hall (NY) f Ackerman Cooper Hare (Mr. BRALEY of Iowa asked and was Allen Costa Harman given permission to address the House QUESTION OF THE PRIVILEGES OF Andrews Costello Hastings (FL) for 1 minute.) THE HOUSE Arcuri Courtney Herseth Sandlin Baca Cramer Higgins Mr. BRALEY of Iowa. Madam Speak- Mr. BOEHNER. Madam Speaker, I Baird Crowley Hinchey er, it is clear that President Bush has offer a privileged resolution (H. Res. Baldwin Cuellar Hirono no intention of changing the course in 767) and ask for its immediate consider- Barrow Davis (AL) Hodes Iraq in any way before he leaves office Bean Davis (CA) Holt ation. Becerra Davis (IL) Honda in January 2009. In fact, both the Presi- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Berkley DeFazio Hooley dent and the Pentagon have recently Clerk will report the resolution. Berman DeGette Hoyer Berry Delahunt Inslee said that they expect American combat The Clerk read as follows: troops to be in Iraq for another 10 Bishop (GA) DeLauro Israel H. RES. 767 Bishop (NY) Dicks Jackson (IL) years; and just yesterday the President Blumenauer Dingell Jackson-Lee Whereas, United States soldiers and per- Boswell Doggett (TX) requested an additional $196 billion to sonnel in Iraq are fighting to protect inno- fund the war in Iraq for the upcoming Boucher Doyle Jefferson cent Americans from being attacked by al- Boyd (FL) Ellison Johnson (GA) year. Qaeda and radical jihadists who are deter- Brady (PA) Emanuel Jones (OH) The Democratic Congress rejects the mined to kill the American people. Braley (IA) Eshoo Kagen notion that our troops are needed in Whereas, on October 18, 2007, in debate on Brown, Corrine Etheridge Kanjorski H.R. 976, Children’s Health Insurance Pro- Capps Farr Kaptur Iraq for the next decade. If the Iraqi Capuano Filner Kennedy Government knows that we are going gram Reauthorization Act, the Member from Cardoza Frank (MA) Kildee to be there for 10 years, they have ab- California, Mr. Stark, stated: ‘‘You don’t Carnahan Giffords Kilpatrick solutely no reason to make any of the have money to fund the war or children. But Castor Gillibrand Klein (FL) you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent Chandler Gonzalez Kucinich tough political compromises that they people if we can get enough kids to grow old Clarke Gordon Lampson promised they would make when the enough for you to send to Iraq to get their Clay Green, Al Langevin troop escalation began earlier this heads blown off for the President’ amuse- Clyburn Grijalva Lantos Cohen Gutierrez Larsen (WA) year. Instead, we support a responsible ment.’’

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Lynch Price (NC) Tanner Bishop (UT) Hoekstra Poe Maloney (NY) Rahall Tauscher For this reason, I think that we have Bonner Holden Renzi a serious issue before us, the issue of Markey Rangel Taylor Boyda (KS) Hunter Reyes Marshall Richardson Thompson (CA) Brady (TX) Jindal Rogers (AL) providing medical care to children, the Matheson Rodriguez Thompson (MS) Butterfield Johnson (IL) Rogers (KY) issue of what we do about a war that Matsui Ross Tierney Carson Johnson, E. B. Rothman we are divided about how to end. McCarthy (NY) Roybal-Allard Towns Crenshaw Kind Simpson Cubin King (NY) I hope that with this apology, I will McCollum (MN) Ruppersberger Tsongas Snyder Culberson LaHood become as insignificant as I should be McDermott Rush Udall (CO) Souder Cummings McHenry McGovern Ryan (OH) Udall (NM) Waxman and that we can return to the issues Edwards McKeon McIntyre Salazar Van Hollen Weldon (FL) that do divide us, but that we can re- ´ ´ Engel Mollohan McNerney Sanchez, Linda Velazquez Westmoreland solve in a better fashion. McNulty T. Visclosky Everett Moore (WI) Fattah Moran (VA) Whitfield Meek (FL) Sanchez, Loretta Walz (MN) Madam Speaker, I yield back the bal- Feeney Murtha Wilson (OH) Meeks (NY) Sarbanes Wasserman ance of my time. Fossella Pastor Wynn Michaud Schakowsky Schultz Green, Gene Paul Young (FL) f Miller (NC) Schiff Waters Hastert Pickering Miller, George Schwartz Watson ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER Mitchell Scott (GA) Watt b 1101 Murphy (CT) Scott (VA) Weiner PRO TEMPORE Mr. LEWIS of California and Mr. Murphy, Patrick Serrano Welch (VT) The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- TIAHRT changed their vote from Nadler Sestak Wexler ant to clause 8 of rule XX, the Chair Napolitano Shea-Porter Woolsey ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ will postpone further proceedings Neal (MA) Sherman Wu Messrs. HOLT, SMITH of Wash- today on motions to suspend the rules Oberstar Sires Yarmuth ington, and DOGGETT changed their Obey Skelton on which a recorded vote or the yeas vote from ‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’ Olver Slaughter and nays are ordered, or on which the Mr. DONNELLY changed his vote vote is objected to under clause 6 of NAYS—173 from ‘‘present’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ rule XX. So the motion to table was agreed to. Aderholt Fortenberry Murphy, Tim Record votes on postponed questions Alexander Foxx Musgrave The result of the vote was announced will be taken later today. Altmire Franks (AZ) Myrick as above recorded. Bachmann Frelinghuysen Neugebauer f Bachus Gallegly Nunes A motion to reconsider was laid on Baker Garrett (NJ) Pearce the table. VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND Barrett (SC) Gerlach Pence Stated for: HOMEGROWN TERRORISM PRE- Bartlett (MD) Gilchrest Peterson (PA) Mr. PASTOR. Madam Speaker, on rollcall VENTION ACT OF 2007 Barton (TX) Gingrey Petri No. 986, I was at a meeting away from my of- Biggert Gohmert Pitts fice and unable to return on time. Had I been Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Bilbray Goode Porter Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the Bilirakis Goodlatte Price (GA) present, I would have voted ‘‘yea.’’ Blackburn Granger Pryce (OH) Mr. GENE GREEN of Texas. Madam rules and pass the bill (H.R. 1955) to Blunt Graves Putnam Speaker, on rollcall No. 986, had I been prevent homegrown terrorism, and for Boehner Hall (TX) Radanovich other purposes, as amended. Bono Hastings (WA) Ramstad present, I would have voted ‘‘yea.’’ Mr. KIND. Madam Speaker, I was detained The Clerk read the title of the bill. Boozman Hayes Regula The text of the bill is as follows: Boustany Heller Rehberg in my district and was unable to have my vote Broun (GA) Hensarling Reichert recorded on the House floor on Tuesday, Oc- H.R. 1955 Brown (SC) Herger Reynolds tober 23, 2007 for H. Res. 767 (Roll No. 986). Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- Brown-Waite, Hobson Rogers (MI) Had I been present, I would have voted ‘‘yea.’’ resentatives of the United States of America in Ginny Hulshof Rohrabacher Congress assembled, Buchanan Inglis (SC) Ros-Lehtinen Mr. POE. Madam Speaker, on rollcall No. Burgess Issa Roskam 986, had I been present, I would have voted SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. Burton (IN) Johnson, Sam Royce ‘‘nay.’’ This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Buyer Jones (NC) Ryan (WI) Mr. FOSSELLA. Madam Speaker, on rollcall Calvert Jordan Sali Prevention Act of 2007’’. No. 986, had I been present, I would have Camp (MI) Keller Saxton SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICAL- Campbell (CA) King (IA) Schmidt voted ‘‘nay.’’ IZATION AND HOMEGROWN TER- Cannon Kingston Sensenbrenner Mrs. BOYDA of Kansas. Madam Speaker, RORISM. Cantor Kirk Sessions had I been present for rollcall vote 986, I (a) IN GENERAL.—Title VIII of the Home- Capito Kline (MN) Shadegg would have voted ‘‘nay.’’ land Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) Carney Knollenberg Shays is amended by adding at the end the fol- Carter Kuhl (NY) Shimkus f lowing new subtitle: Castle Lamborn Shuler Chabot Latham Shuster QUESTION OF PERSONAL ‘‘Subtitle J—Prevention of Violent Coble LaTourette Smith (NE) PRIVILEGE Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Cole (OK) Lewis (CA) Smith (NJ) Mr. STARK. Madam Speaker, I rise ‘‘SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS. Conaway Lewis (KY) Smith (TX) ‘‘For purposes of this subtitle: Davis (KY) Linder Stearns to a question of personal privilege. Davis, David LoBiondo Sullivan The SPEAKER pro tempore (Ms. ‘‘(1) COMMISSION.—The term ‘Commission’ Davis, Tom Lucas Tancredo DEGETTE). The gentleman has apprised means the National Commission on the Pre- Deal (GA) Lungren, Daniel Terry the Chair of media accounts that give vention of Violent Radicalization and Home- grown Terrorism established under section Dent E. Thornberry rise to a question of personal privilege Diaz-Balart, L. Mack Tiahrt 899C. Diaz-Balart, M. Manzullo Tiberi under rule IX. ‘‘(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION.—The term Donnelly Marchant Turner The gentleman from California is ‘violent radicalization’ means the process of Doolittle McCarthy (CA) Upton recognized for 1 hour. adopting or promoting an extremist belief Drake McCaul (TX) Walberg Mr. STARK. Madam Speaker, I yield system for the purpose of facilitating ideo- Dreier McCotter Walden (OR) myself such time as I may consume. logically based violence to advance political, Duncan McCrery Walsh (NY) religious, or social change. Ehlers McHugh Wamp (Mr. STARK asked and was given ‘‘(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.—The term Ellsworth McMorris Weller permission to revise and extend his Emerson Rodgers Wicker ‘homegrown terrorism’ means the use, remarks.) planned use, or threatened use, of force or vi- English (PA) Mica Wilson (NM) Mr. STARK. I thank the Speaker. Fallin Miller (FL) Wilson (SC) olence by a group or individual born, raised, Ferguson Miller (MI) Wolf In a very serious note, and I won’t or based and operating primarily within the Flake Miller, Gary Young (AK) take the hour, I want to apologize to, United States or any possession of the Forbes Moran (KS)

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United States to intimidate or coerce the calization, homegrown terrorism, and ideo- ‘‘(i) POWERS OF COMMISSION.—The powers of United States government, the civilian popu- logically based violence that the Commis- the Commission shall be as follows: lation of the United States, or any segment sion considers important. ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.— thereof, in furtherance of political or social ‘‘(2) Build upon and bring together the ‘‘(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE.—The Com- objectives. work of other entities and avoid unnecessary mission or, on the authority of the Commis- ‘‘(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.—The duplication, by reviewing the findings, con- sion, any subcommittee or member thereof, term ‘ideologically based violence’ means clusions, and recommendations of— may, for the purpose of carrying out this sec- the use, planned use, or threatened use of ‘‘(A) the Center of Excellence established tion, hold hearings and sit and act at such force or violence by a group or individual to or designated under section 899D, and other times and places, take such testimony, re- promote the group or individual’s political, academic work, as appropriate; ceive such evidence, and administer such religious, or social beliefs. ‘‘(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies oaths as the Commission considers advisable ‘‘SEC. 899B. FINDINGS. of, reviews of, and experiences with violent to carry out its duties. ‘‘The Congress finds the following: radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ‘‘(B) CONTRACTING.—The Commission may, ‘‘(1) The development and implementation ideologically based violence; and to such extent and in such amounts as are of methods and processes that can be utilized ‘‘(C) foreign government studies of, reviews provided in appropriation Acts, enter into to prevent violent radicalization, home- of, and experiences with violent radicaliza- contracts to enable the Commission to dis- grown terrorism, and ideologically based vio- tion, homegrown terrorism, and ideologi- charge its duties under this section. lence in the United States is critical to com- cally based violence. ‘‘(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGEN- bating domestic terrorism. ‘‘(c) COMPOSITION OF COMMISSION.—The CIES.— ‘‘(2) The promotion of violent radical- Commission shall be composed of 10 mem- ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The Commission may ization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologi- bers appointed for the life of the Commis- request directly from any executive depart- cally based violence exists in the United sion, of whom— ment, bureau, agency, board, commission, of- States and poses a threat to homeland secu- ‘‘(1) one member shall be appointed by the fice, independent establishment, or instru- rity. President from among officers or employees mentality of the Government, information, ‘‘(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating of the executive branch and private citizens suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the violent radicalization, ideologically based vi- of the United States; purposes of this section. The head of each olence, and the homegrown terrorism process ‘‘(2) one member shall be appointed by the such department, bureau, agency, board, in the United States by providing access to Secretary; commission, office, independent establish- broad and constant streams of terrorist-re- ‘‘(3) one member shall be appointed by the ment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent lated propaganda to United States citizens. majority leader of the Senate; practicable and authorized by law, furnish ‘‘(4) While the United States must continue ‘‘(4) one member shall be appointed by the such information, suggestions, estimates, its vigilant efforts to combat international minority leader of the Senate; and statistics directly to the Commission, terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to ‘‘(5) one member shall be appointed by the upon request made by the Chair of the Com- combat the threat posed by homegrown ter- Speaker of the House of Representatives; mission, by the chair of any subcommittee rorists based and operating within the ‘‘(6) one member shall be appointed by the created by a majority of the Commission, or United States. minority leader of the House of Representa- by any member designated by a majority of ‘‘(5) Understanding the motivational fac- tives; the Commission. tors that lead to violent radicalization, ‘‘(7) one member shall be appointed by the ‘‘(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DIS- homegrown terrorism, and ideologically Chairman of the Committee on Homeland SEMINATION.—The Committee and its staff based violence is a vital step toward eradi- Security of the House of Representatives; shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate cating these threats in the United States. ‘‘(8) one member shall be appointed by the information in a manner consistent with the ‘‘(6) Preventing the potential rise of self ranking minority member of the Committee operative statutes, regulations, and Execu- radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domesti- on Homeland Security of the House of Rep- tive orders that govern the handling, stor- cally cannot be easily accomplished solely resentatives; age, and dissemination of such information through traditional Federal intelligence or ‘‘(9) one member shall be appointed by the at the department, bureau, agency, board, law enforcement efforts, and can benefit Chairman of the Committee on Homeland commission, office, independent establish- from the incorporation of State and local ef- Security and Governmental Affairs of the ment, or instrumentality that responds to forts. Senate; and the request. ‘‘(7) Individuals prone to violent radicaliza- ‘‘(10) one member shall be appointed by the ‘‘(j) ASSISTANCE FROM FEDERAL AGEN- tion, homegrown terrorism, and ideologi- ranking minority member of the Committee CIES.— cally based violence span all races, on Homeland Security and Governmental Af- ‘‘(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION.— ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individ- fairs of the Senate. The Administrator of General Services shall uals should not be targeted based solely on ‘‘(d) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.—The Commis- provide to the Commission on a reimburs- race, ethnicity, or religion. sion shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair able basis administrative support and other ‘‘(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent from among its members. services for the performance of the Commis- radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ‘‘(e) QUALIFICATIONS.—Individuals shall be sion’s functions. ideologically based violence and homegrown selected for appointment to the Commission ‘‘(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES.— terrorism in the United States should not solely on the basis of their professional In addition to the assistance required under violate the constitutional rights, civil qualifications, achievements, public stature, paragraph (1), departments and agencies of rights, or civil liberties of United States citi- experience, and expertise in relevant fields, the United States may provide to the Com- zens or lawful permanent residents. including, but not limited to, behavioral mission such services, funds, facilities, and ‘‘(9) Certain governments, including the science, constitutional law, corrections, staff as they may determine advisable and as United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, may be authorized by law. significant experience with homegrown ter- education, information technology, intel- rorism and the United States can benefit ligence, juvenile justice, local law enforce- ‘‘(k) POSTAL SERVICES.—The Commission from lessons learned by those nations. ment, organized crime, Islam and other may use the United States mails in the same ‘‘SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PRE- world religions, sociology, or terrorism. manner and under the same conditions as de- VENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZA- ‘‘(f) DEADLINE FOR APPOINTMENT.—All partments and agencies of the United States. TION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED members of the Commission shall be ap- ‘‘(l) NONAPPLICABILITY OF FEDERAL ADVI- VIOLENCE. pointed no later than 60 days after the date SORY COMMITTEE ACT.—The Federal Advisory ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established of enactment of this subtitle. Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not within the legislative branch of the Govern- ‘‘(g) QUORUM AND MEETINGS.—The Commis- apply to the Commission. ment the National Commission on the Pre- sion shall meet and begin the operations of vention of Violent Radicalization and Home- the Commission not later than 30 days after ‘‘(m) PUBLIC MEETINGS.— grown Terrorism. the date on which all members have been ap- ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Commission shall ‘‘(b) PURPOSE.—The purposes of the Com- pointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutu- hold public hearings and meetings to the ex- mission are the following: ally agreed upon, on a date designated by the tent appropriate. ‘‘(1) Examine and report upon the facts and Speaker of the House of Representatives. ‘‘(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION.—Any causes of violent radicalization, homegrown Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon public hearings of the Commission shall be terrorism, and ideologically based violence the call of the Chair or a majority of its conducted in a manner consistent with the in the United States, including United members. A majority of the members of the protection of information provided to or de- States connections to non-United States per- Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a veloped for or by the Commission as required sons and networks, violent radicalization, lesser number may hold meetings. by any applicable statute, regulation, or Ex- homegrown terrorism, and ideologically ‘‘(h) AUTHORITY OF INDIVIDUALS TO ACT FOR ecutive order including subsection (i)(2)(B). based violence in prison, individual or ‘lone COMMISSION.—Any member of the Commis- ‘‘(n) STAFF OF COMMISSION.— wolf’ violent radicalization, homegrown ter- sion may, if authorized by the Commission, ‘‘(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION.—The rorism, and ideologically based violence, and take any action that the Commission is au- Chair of the Commission, in consultation other faces of the phenomena of violent radi- thorized to take under this Act. with the Vice Chair and in accordance with

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rules adopted by the Commission, may ap- ‘‘(5) VACANCIES.—A vacancy on the Com- search in preventing violent radicalization point and fix the compensation of a staff di- mission shall not affect its powers and shall and homegrown terrorism in the United rector and such other personnel as may be be filled in the manner in which the original States. In carrying out this section, the Sec- necessary to enable the Commission to carry appointment was made. The appointment of retary may choose to either create a new out its functions, without regard to the pro- the replacement member shall be made not Center designed exclusively for the purpose visions of title 5, United States Code, gov- later than 60 days after the date on which stated herein or identify and expand an ex- erning appointments in the competitive the vacancy occurs. isting Department of Homeland Security service, and without regard to the provisions ‘‘(p) SECURITY CLEARANCES.—The heads of Center of Excellence so that a working group of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 appropriate departments and agencies of the is exclusively designated within the existing of such title relating to classification and executive branch shall cooperate with the Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose General Schedule pay rates, except that no Commission to expeditiously provide Com- set forth in subsection (b). rate of pay fixed under this subsection may mission members and staff with appropriate ‘‘(b) PURPOSE.—It shall be the purpose of exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS–15 security clearances to the extent possible the Center to study the social, criminal, po- under the General Schedule. under applicable procedures and require- litical, psychological, and economic roots of violent radicalization and homegrown ter- ‘‘(2) STAFF EXPERTISE.—Individuals shall be ments. rorism in the United States and methods selected for appointment as staff of the Com- ‘‘(q) REPORTS.— that can be utilized by Federal, State, local, mission on the basis of their expertise in one ‘‘(1) FINAL REPORT.—Not later than 18 and tribal homeland security officials to or more of the fields referred to in subsection months after the date on which the Commis- mitigate violent radicalization and home- (e). sion first meets, the Commission shall sub- grown terrorism. ‘‘(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.— mit to the President and Congress a final re- port of its findings and conclusions, legisla- ‘‘(c) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out this sec- ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The executive director tion, the Center shall— tive recommendations for immediate and and any employees of the Commission shall ‘‘(1) contribute to the establishment of long-term countermeasures to violent radi- be employees under section 2105 of title 5, training, written materials, information, an- calization, homegrown terrorism, and ideo- United States Code, for purposes of chapters alytical assistance and professional re- logically based violence, and measures that 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title. sources to aid in combating violent radicali- can be taken to prevent violent radicaliza- ‘‘(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION.—Subpara- zation and homegrown terrorism; tion, homegrown terrorism, and ideologi- graph (A) shall not be construed to apply to ‘‘(2) utilize theories, methods and data cally based violence from developing and members of the Commission. from the social and behavioral sciences to spreading within the United States, and any ‘‘(4) DETAILEES.—Any Federal Government better understand the origins, dynamics, and employee may be detailed to the Commission final recommendations for any additional social and psychological aspects of violent without reimbursement from the Commis- grant programs to support these purposes. radicalization and homegrown terrorism; sion, and during such detail shall retain the The report may also be accompanied by a ‘‘(3) conduct research on the motivational rights, status, and privileges of his or her classified annex. factors that lead to violent radicalization regular employment without interruption. ‘‘(2) INTERIM REPORTS.—The Commission and homegrown terrorism; and ‘‘(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES.—The Commis- shall submit to the President and Congress— ‘‘(4) coordinate with other academic insti- sion may procure the services of experts and ‘‘(A) by not later than 6 months after the tutions studying the effects of violent radi- consultants in accordance with section 3109 date on which the Commission first meets, a calization and homegrown terrorism where of title 5, United States Code, but at rates first interim report on— appropriate. ‘‘(i) its findings and conclusions and legis- not to exceed the daily rate paid a person oc- ‘‘SEC. 899E. PREVENTING VIOLENT RADICALIZA- cupying a position at level IV of the Execu- lative recommendations for the purposes de- TION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM tive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, scribed in paragraph (1); and THROUGH INTERNATIONAL COOP- United States Code. ‘‘(ii) its recommendations on the feasi- ERATIVE EFFORTS. ‘‘(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES.— bility of a grant program established and ad- ‘‘(a) INTERNATIONAL EFFORT.—The Sec- The Commission shall make it a priority to ministered by the Secretary for the purpose retary shall, in cooperation with the Depart- hire as employees and retain as contractors of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the ment of State, the Attorney General, and and detailees individuals otherwise author- effects of violent radicalization, homegrown other Federal Government entities, as appro- ized by this section who have active security terrorism, and ideologically based violence priate, conduct a survey of methodologies clearances. and, if such a program is feasible, rec- implemented by foreign nations to prevent ommendations on how grant funds should be violent radicalization and homegrown ter- ‘‘(o) COMMISSION PERSONNEL MATTERS.— used and administered; and rorism in their respective nations. ‘‘(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS.—Each ‘‘(B) by not later than 6 months after the ‘‘(b) IMPLEMENTATION.—To the extent that member of the Commission who is not an date on which the Commission submits the methodologies are permissible under the employee of the government shall be com- interim report under subparagraph (A), a Constitution, the Secretary shall use the re- pensated at a rate not to exceed the daily second interim report on such matters. sults of the survey as an aid in developing, in equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in ‘‘(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS.— consultation with the Attorney General, a effect for a position at level IV of the Execu- Each member of the Commission may in- national policy in the United States on ad- tive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, clude in each report under this subsection dressing radicalization and homegrown ter- United States Code, for each day during the individual additional or dissenting views rorism. which that member is engaged in the actual ‘‘(c) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—The Secretary of the member. performance of the duties of the Commis- shall submit a report to Congress that pro- ‘‘(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY.—The Commis- sion. vides— sion shall release a public version of each re- ‘‘(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES.—While away from ‘‘(1) a brief description of the foreign part- port required under this subsection. their homes or regular places of business in ners participating in the survey; and ‘‘(r) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDING.—Amounts the performance of services for the Commis- made available to the Commission to carry ‘‘(2) a description of lessons learned from sion, members of the Commission shall be al- out this section shall remain available until the results of the survey and recommenda- lowed travel expenses, including per diem in the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts tions implemented through this inter- lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for or the termination of the Commission. national outreach. employees of agencies under subchapter I of ‘‘(s) TERMINATION OF COMMISSION.—The ‘‘SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, Commission shall terminate 30 days after the CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PRE- while away from their homes or regular VENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VI- date on which the Commission submits its OLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TER- places of business in the performance of serv- final report. ices for the Commission. RORISM. ‘‘SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—The Department of ‘‘(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEY- STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICAL- Homeland Security’s efforts to prevent ideo- ANCES.—Members and personnel of the Com- IZATION AND HOMEGROWN TER- logically based violence and homegrown ter- mission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or RORISM IN THE UNITED STATES. rorism as described herein shall not violate other conveyances of the Armed Forces of ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—The Secretary of the constitutional rights, civil rights, or the United States when such travel is nec- Homeland Security shall establish or des- civil liberties of United States citizens or essary in the performance of a duty of the ignate a university-based Center of Excel- lawful permanent residents. Commission, unless the cost of commercial lence for the Study of Violent Radicalization ‘‘(b) COMMITMENT TO RACIAL NEUTRALITY.— transportation is less expensive. and Homegrown Terrorism in the United The Secretary shall ensure that the activi- ‘‘(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES States (hereinafter referred to as ‘Center’) ties and operations of the entities created by OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS.—A member of the following the merit-review processes and this subtitle are in compliance with the De- Commission who is an annuitant otherwise procedures and other limitations that have partment of Homeland Security’s commit- covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, been previously established for selecting and ment to racial neutrality. United States Code, by reason of membership supporting University Programs Centers of ‘‘(c) AUDITING MECHANISM.—The Civil on the Commission shall not be subject to Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the De- the provisions of such section with respect to State, local and tribal homeland security of- partment of Homeland Security shall de- membership on the Commission. ficials through training, education, and re- velop and implement an auditing mechanism

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I commend Chairwoman mittee chairman, Mr. THOMPSON of (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of HARMAN for authoring this important Mississippi, for all his hard work, and contents in section 1(b) of such Act is legislation and for championing this our ranking member, Mr. KING of New amended by inserting at the end of the items case. York, who could not be here today. relating to title VIII the following: The centerpiece of this bill is the cre- This truly has been a bipartisan ef- ‘‘Subtitle J—Prevention of Violent ation of a national commission. It is a fort. It’s one of those issues that all of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism step in the right direction. National us in this body recognize as so critical ‘‘Sec. 899A. Definitions. commissions have a long and successful to the protection of our citizens and ‘‘Sec. 899B. Findings. history in this country. The Gilmore our country. This legislation is focused ‘‘Sec. 899C. National Commission on the on addressing the issue of Prevention of Violent Commission, of which our chairwoman was a member, which functioned from radicalization and homegrown ter- Radicalization and Ideologi- rorism. While terrorist recruitment cally Based Violence. 1993 to 1998, made 164 recommendations ‘‘Sec. 899D. Center of Excellence for the regarding the domestic response to ter- and radicalization is a worldwide prob- Study of Violent Radicalization rorism. Of those 164 recommendations, lem that must be combated globally, and Homegrown Terrorism in all have been adopted in whole or in the United States cannot afford to sim- the United States. part by the Congress and the Federal ply focus on eliminating terrorists ‘‘Sec. 899E. Preventing violent abroad. It is essential that we fully un- radicalization and homegrown Government. Another commission, the National derstand the future and the nature of terrorism through inter- the threat here in the United States national cooperative efforts. Commission on Terrorism, which oper- ‘‘Sec. 899F. Protecting civil rights and civil ated in the early 1990s, was on the cut- from homegrown radicals. In the National Intelligence Estimate liberties while preventing ideo- ting edge of the terrorism debate. That on the Terrorist Threat to the U.S. logically based violence and commission provided the Nation with Homeland released in July of this year, homegrown terrorism.’’. the blueprint of how to address the the Director of National Intelligence The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- threat of terrorism long before the Sep- and the National Intelligence Council ant to the rule, the gentleman from tember 11 attacks. assess, ‘‘The spread of radical Internet Mississippi (Mr. THOMPSON) and the The more recent 9/11 Commission set sites, increasingly aggressive anti-U.S. gentleman from Washington (Mr. the tenor of our administrative and rhetoric and actions, and the growing REICHERT) each will control 20 minutes. legislative response to the September number of radical, self-generating cells The Chair recognizes the gentleman 11 attack. That commission’s rec- in Western countries indicate that the from Mississippi. ommendations were the bedrock of leg- radical and violent segment of the GENERAL LEAVE islation I offered that was enacted into West’s Muslim population is expanding, Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. law this summer. including in the United States. The ar- Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous con- The commission established in H.R. rest and prosecution by U.S. law en- 1955 will help build on the work of past sent that all Members have 5 legisla- forcement of a small number of violent commissions and help our Nation come tive days within which to revise and Islamic extremists inside the United up with strategies for new threats. The extend their remarks on this bill and States—who are becoming more con- include therein any extraneous mate- bill also requires our government to nected ideologically, virtually, and/or rial. reach out to other nations that have in a physical sense to the global ex- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there experienced home grown terrorism. tremist movement—points to the possi- objection to the request of the gen- Learning from other nations about bility that others may become suffi- tleman from Mississippi? what works and what doesn’t will bet- ciently radicalized that they will view There was no objection. ter position us to prevent the spread of the use of violence here as legitimate.’’ Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. violent ideology in our country. Because of the freedoms of our soci- Madam Speaker, I yield myself such The bill also creates a center of ex- ety, and the interconnected world we time as I may consume. cellence to conduct research that is live in, radical ideas spread easily. Madam Speaker, I rise in strong sup- desperately needed in determining the These ideas can come from overseas or port of H.R. 1955, the Violent root cause of violent radicalization. from within the United States. They Radicalization of Homegrown Ter- At the same time, H.R. 1955 also pro- can come from within prisons inside of rorism Prevention Act of 2007. tects simple rights and liberties of U.S. isolated religious or ethnic enclaves or In May, six men were arrested for al- citizens. The bill is mindful of Ameri- on the Internet. These ideas reach peo- legedly plotting to attack Fort Dix. cans’ right to free speech, freedom of ple in the privacy of their homes, via Three of those men were United States association and freedom to worship. the Internet, and can be similarly as- citizens; the other three had been in H.R. 1955 makes certain that individ- sessed by vulnerable individuals at the United States since they were uals exercising these rights within law- schools, libraries and universities. small children. Then, again, in June, ful parameters are not singled out. Unfortunately, our freedoms are another four men were charged with I urge my colleagues to support this being abused by individuals whose sole plotting to attack JFK Airport by important Homeland Security bill and purpose is to destroy our way of life. blowing up jet fuel tanks. The alleged ask them to vote in favor of passage of While we have not seen radicalization mastermind of this plot was a United this important legislation. to the extent witnessed in other West- States citizen. Madam Speaker, I reserve the bal- ern countries like the United Kingdom, Today, one of the most frequently ance of my time. we have seen homegrown terrorist visited English language Web sites that Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, I cells. preaches hate, violence and radicalized yield myself such time as I may con- Prisoners in Sacramento state prison views of Islam is operated by a 21-year- sume. plotted to attack Jewish and U.S. mili- old U.S. citizen from the comfort of his Madam Speaker, I rise today in tary targets. Radicalized individuals parents’ home in North Carolina. Some strong support of H.R. 1955, the Violent plotted to destroy fuel tanks at JFK may say these incidents are isolated Radicalization and Homegrown Ter- Airport in New York and aimed to cre- cases, but I believe that they are indic- rorism Prevention Act of 2007. ate carnage at Fort Dix in New Jersey. ative of a growing trend of homegrown As the ranking member on the Home- While clearly law enforcement and terrorism in this country. land Security Subcommittee on Intel- intelligence efforts are key to inter- Homegrown terrorists no longer need ligence, I would like to commend, first cepting and interdicting these ideas to travel to Afghanistan or Pakistan to of all and especially, Chairwoman JANE and thoughts and efforts in our coun- get support and training. They can HARMAN, who has, as the chairman try, we need a strategy to ensure that

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We all remember the case of H.R. 1955 establishes a National Com- ligence Subcommittee, some common Richard Reid, apprehended while at- mission on the Prevention of Violent traits and characteristics emerged. tempting to detonate a bomb on a U.S.- Radicalization and Ideologically Based Said RAND Corporation’s Bruce Jen- bound commercial flight in December Violence. The commission incorporates kins: ‘‘It is the same age group that is 2001. Well, that same Mr. Reid is be- aspects of H.R. 1695, the PREVENT susceptible to being recruited into lieved to have been radicalized by an Act, which I introduced earlier this gangs. These are young men who are imam while incarcerated in Britain. year. The purpose of this national com- going through identity crises, looking In 2005 we learned of the California mission would be to proactively get to define themselves. If you have a nar- prison-based case of the ‘‘Assembly of ahead of the radicalization problems so rative that exalts violence, that at- Authentic Islam.’’ These individuals that as a Nation we can combat these tempts to project that violence as a were involved in almost a dozen armed radical ideologies before they become personal obligation, that offers the gas station robberies in the Los Ange- widespread within our borders. tantalizing prospect of clandestinity, les area, with the goal of financing ter- In addition, H.R. 1955 includes provi- identity, all of those are appealing to rorist operations. They were indicted sions to help us learn from our inter- that specific age group.’’ by a Federal grand jury for conspiracy national partners on how they are try- Combine that personal adolescent up- to levy war against the U.S. Govern- ing to prevent radicalization in their heaval with the explosion of informa- ment through terrorism. own countries. This issue is not new to tion technologies and communications And in April of this year, in a hear- many countries throughout the world tools, tools which American kids are ing that we held out in Torrance, Cali- such as the United Kingdom, and I be- using to broadcast messages from al fornia, Sergeant Larry Mead of the lieve it is critical for us to work with Qaeda, as Chairman THOMPSON just Gang Intelligence Unit, Los Angeles our international partners and learn said, and there is a road map to terror, County Sheriff’s Department, testified from their past successes and failures. a retail outlet for anger and warped as- that ‘‘analysis shows that b 1115 pirations. Link that intent with a radicalization and recruitment in U.S. Lastly, this legislation includes pro- trained terrorist operative who has ac- prisons is still an ongoing concern.’’ visions that ensure privacy and civil tual capability, and a ‘‘Made in the Similarly, in a recent report, the rights are protected for all American USA’’ suicide bomber is born. NYPD noted that prisons are ‘‘an ex- citizens. Madam Speaker, H.R. 1955 was care- cellent breeding ground for Again, I would like to commend fully constructed by DAVE REICHERT radicalization.’’ Chairman HARMAN and Chairman and me, as ranking member and chair- The key to the success of stopping THOMPSON for working with me and Mr. man of the Homeland Security Intel- the spread of radicalization is identi- KING on this legislation. I urge all my ligence Subcommittee. The bill passed fying how radicalization begins and colleagues to support this bill. out of subcommittee and full com- eliminating its breeding grounds. We I reserve the balance of my time. mittee unanimously. This bill has know we have difficulties with this Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. strong bipartisan origins. As one who phenomenon in our prisons, but we Madam Speaker, I yield as much time believes that this body’s best work is don’t know enough about it. We need as she may consume to the gentlelady done on a bipartisan basis, I think this to have collaboration between the Fed- from California (Ms. HARMAN), the bill is a testament. Though not a silver eral prison system authorities and the chairman of the subcommittee, as well bullet, the legislation will help the Na- State prison system authorities and as the author of this legislation under tion develop a better understanding of within the prison system authorities consideration today. the forces that lead to homegrown ter- themselves. We need to bring together Ms. HARMAN. Madam Speaker, I rorism and the steps we can take to the best thinkers on this, the best peo- thank my chairman for yielding to me, stop it. ple who have experience in dealing and I thank my ranking member, Mr. Madam Speaker, free speech, espous- with this already at the ground level; REICHERT, for his generous remarks. ing even very radical beliefs, is pro- and, in fact, this bill does that. Madam Speaker, on 9/11 we were at- tected by our Constitution. But violent Radicalization is not that well under- tacked by foreigners who had come to behavior is not. Our plan must be to in- stood, and through this bill we will this country legally. The next time tervene before a person crosses that take an in-depth look at how it occurs. and, sadly, I believe there will be a line separating radical views from vio- The commission provided for in H.R. next time, my assumption is that lent behavior, to understand the forces 1955 would give our government an in- many who attack us will already be at work on the individual and the com- depth, multidisciplinary look at here, and some will be U.S. citizens. munity, to create an environment that radicalization. And why is that impor- Homegrown terror is a phenomenon discourages disillusionment and alien- tant? Because no one has the single an- many countries are scrambling to un- ation, that instills in young people a swer on this. derstand, including the British, as they sense of belonging and faith in the fu- Yes, we have the background of pris- are under major threat from it. Theirs ture. ons as the general background to look is a peculiar kind with a large Paki- The legislation before us today offers at the radicalization in prisons, but stani population that is not well as- that opportunity. It is, I would suggest, how does it occur? Why does it occur? similated. the key to prevention. If we fail to pre- And why are we seeing a rise in this at But America has a problem too, vent, the best we can do is manage con- this particular time when it is perhaps unique in nature, and we fail to under- sequences. Prevention is better. I urge most dangerous to the American peo- stand it at our peril. Far from being an ‘‘aye’’ vote. ple? immune to the danger of homegrown Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, I Radical Islam and its advocates terror, think Timothy McVeigh or yield 3 minutes to the distinguished around the world are a threat to Amer- Theodore Kaczynski, the threat today gentleman from California (Mr. DANIEL ica, but we have to understand we is infinitely greater and more likely to E. LUNGREN), the ranking member of might develop a threat within the be influenced by events in the Middle the Transportation Security and Infra- United States, as evidenced already by East or by the larger struggle against structure Protection Subcommittee. certain actions that have occurred. radical Islam. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- And therefore I would suggest that we What causes an individual or group fornia. Madam Speaker, according to vote ‘‘yes’’ on H.R. 1955 so we can get to, first, coalesce around a set of rad- the FBI testimony before our House the facts upon which we can plan for

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Madam Speaker, I piece of legislation and others that will spread. It establishes a university- would like to thank Chairman THOMP- make this Nation even more safe. based center of excellence that will SON and certainly my good friend and Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, it study this phenomenon in depth, and it colleague, Chairwoman HARMAN, for is my privilege to yield 3 minutes to encourages international cooperation this legislation, and for our friends the distinguished gentleman from to stop the spread of this violent extre- across the aisle. As a freshman, it’s Pennsylvania (Mr. DENT), the ranking mism. It authorizes the Department of very instructive to watch what we can member of the Emergency Communica- Homeland Security to work with na- do in a bipartisan manner to protect tions, Preparedness and Response Sub- tions such as the U.K. and Israel, coun- this country. I do appreciate that. A committee of the Homeland Security tries that have had a lot of experience lesson not lost on me, certainly. full committee. and success in dealing with violent ex- This past May, six suspected terror- Mr. DENT. Madam Speaker, I have to tremism within their borders, to de- ists were charged with conspiring to add my two cents’ worth, that the velop a ‘‘best practices’’ methodology attack Fort Dix. Their goal was to same folks who were training up in the that can be used to help prevent bring about significant destruction and Poconos near Congressman CARNEY’s radicalization and to thwart ideologi- mass casualties to that critical mili- home were training about an hour from cally based violence. tary base. These six men lived less my home as well, and we all, I think, I hope that Members will join me in than an hour away from my home and realize the nature of this homegrown supporting this bipartisan legislation trained right in the Pocono Mountains threat. aimed at protecting us against violent of northeast Pennsylvania. But I want to rise today to speak in extremism and at making us safer here In June of this year, four men were support of H.R. 1955, the Violent in this country. charged with plotting to attack civil Radicalization and Homegrown Ter- Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. aviation by blowing up jet fuel pipe- rorism Prevention Act. Madam Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to lines that serve JFK. In both cases the Recently, U.S. intelligence and law the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. accused individuals planned, plotted, enforcement officials have enjoyed a PERLMUTTER). Mr. PERLMUTTER. Madam Speaker, and attempted to perpetrate their number of successes in the war against I thank Chairman THOMPSON and I crimes on American soil. More trou- violent extremism. The plot to kill sol- want to thank Ms. HARMAN and Mr. bling is that, according to media re- diers at Fort Dix, the attempt to dis- REICHERT for conducting a number of ports, neither cell received any assist- rupt the Kennedy Airport pipeline sys- ance or had any contact with al Qaeda hearings across the country to really tem, and last year’s conspiracy to focus our attention on what could be a or any other overseas terrorist group. bring down the U.S./U.K. transatlantic very big problem if we don’t get in These two recent events demonstrate flights, were all disrupted by good in- touch with it right now. the troubling presence of homegrown telligence efforts and, as a result, lives As the global war on terror con- terrorism in the United States. were saved. tinues, America dedicates much of its Members of such groups are indistin- But we cannot rest on our laurels. resources to tracking foreign terrorists guishable from traditional terrorists in After all, it is still al Qaeda’s stated at home and abroad. But in recent that they are radicalized and sym- goal to kill 4 million Americans, to years, we have seen a rise in the num- pathize with the al Qaeda cause. How- bring the United States to its knees, ber of U.S.-born criminals inspired by, ever, that said, they undertake their and to impose a system of radical vio- but not necessarily affiliated with, terrorist plots without training or sup- lent Islamism upon the Middle East, groups like al Qaeda. And we have had, port from a central foreign terrorist and in fact the rest of the world. We from Ms. HARMAN and Mr. REICHERT group. need to protect ourselves from this and Mr. LUNGREN as well, a list of a Given the civil rights and liberties threat to do everything we can in order number of incidents that we have seen protections that we enjoy as all Ameri- to make sure that there are no future recently. cans, the Federal Government must be terrorist attacks on the homeland, and It is vital that our Nation do what it creative in its approach to combating the Violent Radicalization and Home- can to understand the growing threat homegrown terrorism. grown Terrorism Prevention Act would of homegrown terrorists and what we H.R. 1955, the Violent Radicalization help us certainly in this effort. can do to prevent it. The Homegrown and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention This bill’s effectiveness is enhanced Terrorism and Violent Radicalization Act of 2007, protects the civil rights by the fact that it was put together in Act finally focuses attention on this and civil liberties of Americans and a spirit of bipartisan, much to the cred- matter. The bill establishes a national lawful permanent residents, while pro- it of the Chair, Ms. HARMAN. Earlier center of excellence to bring in the top viding solutions for preventing future this year, the ranking member of the minds in the world to explore the violent radicalization and homegrown Homeland Security Committee’s Intel- causes of radicalization. The legisla- terrorism. ligence, Information Sharing, and Ter- tion also enhances our international The act creates a national commis- rorism Risk Assessment Sub- cooperation so we may learn from our sion to examine the cases of violent committee, Congressman DAVE allies who have extensive experience radicalization and homegrown ter- REICHERT, introduced legislation, H.R. with homegrown terrorism. rorism. The commission will be tasked 1695, that forms the basis for the cur- But the centerpiece of this legisla- with proposing concrete recommenda- rent bill, H.R. 1955. Chairwoman HAR- tion is the establishment of a national tions and legislative strategies for MAN and Ranking Member REICHERT commission to report to Congress the mitigating these types of domestically have both actively supported the cur- causes and preventive measures that nurtured threats. rent bill, which was voted out of the we can take. The commission consists The act also establishes Centers for Homeland Security Committee without of academics, religious experts, coun- Excellence for the Prevention of opposition in August. terintelligence officials, prison admin- Radicalization that will study the so- Also, this bill was the subject of nu- istrators, and many others with the ex- cial, criminal, political, psychological, merous hearings, excellent hearings, perience provided for this input. and economic roots of the problem. Ad- much to the credit of both of them. And I must make it clear this bill has ditionally, it will provide Homeland strict oversight of the privacy officers Security officials across the govern- b 1130 within the Department of Homeland ment with suggestions for preventing This bill can help us to stop the Security to ensure it respects personal future radicalization and homegrown spread of violent radicalization that and religious freedom.

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This bill tackles this head on, Madam Speaker, I rise in support of mote ideologies under the guise of reli- and I would like to thank our chairman H.R. 1955, the Violent Radicalization gion, political, and social benefits that and ranking member for bringing this and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention are diametrically opposed to the Amer- bill forward. Act, which I refer to as the Harman- ican values and liberties that we hold Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, it Reichert bill. I appreciate that they so dear. Ideologies of any kind, reli- is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to have worked so well together on a bi- gious or otherwise, that are based on the gentlewoman from Florida, a mem- partisan basis. violence, intolerance, and hatred have ber of the full Committee on Homeland I like the fact that this legislation no place in America. Security (Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE). creates a 10-member national commis- In the past 18 months, the United Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Flor- sion, modeled after the 9/11 Commis- States law enforcement and intel- ida. I thank the gentleman for yield- sion, to study violent radicalization ligence agencies have stopped numer- ing. and ideologically based terrorism in ous individuals and groups that pro- Madam Speaker, I rise today in sup- these United States. mote radical political, religious, or so- port of the Violent Radicalization and Before September 11 we had the Hart- cial beliefs from carrying out terrorist Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act Rudman Commission, the Bremer Com- attacks on American soil. I, for one, of 2007. This very important bill will mission, the Gilmore Commission. would like to know how these individ- play a key role in protecting our home- They all told us the same basic point, uals are operating and how they are land. that we have a terrorist threat and we funded. Are foreign entities providing As events abroad have taught us all need to recognize that threat, that we the funding for their activities? Are too frequently, homegrown extremists need a strategy to deal with this these individuals who promote radical and terrorists pose a serious and deadly threat, and that we need to reorganize political ideologies registered as for- threat to the general population. The our government to implement the eign agents? Perhaps we need to reex- recent attacks in Great Britain, as well strategy. amine the Foreign Agents Registration Then came September 11, and we did as the foiled plot in Germany, prove Act of 1938. We need to be more wake up somewhat. We reorganized our that we must prevent the spread of vio- proactive and strike at the roots of the government and created the Depart- problem. lent radicalization within our own bor- ment of Homeland Security. We passed ders. They do it there; we certainly The bill that we are discussing today, the PATRIOT Act. We reorganized our H.R. 1955, is proactive instead of reac- need to do more here. intelligence agencies and created a Di- Here at home our intelligence and tive. Britain, Spain, France, and most rector of Intelligence. And we are re- recently Germany and Denmark have law enforcement officials have done an forming the FISA law, but this is still exceptional job of keeping America all suffered the deadly effects of a an issue we are working with. small radicalized population that often safe from such threats. Over the last The 9/11 Commission did something 1 use religion as an excuse to engage in 1 ⁄2 years, we have seen plots against very courageous. They didn’t say we the Sears Tower in Chicago, Ft. Dix in violence and murder. The United are confronting terrorism; they said we States, thanks in large part to its alert New Jersey, and JFK Airport foiled by are confronting Islamist terrorists who our Nation’s vigilant network of law citizenry and professional law enforce- would do us harm. I think it is abso- ment agencies, has prevented the suc- enforcement and intelligence per- lutely important we pass this legisla- sonnel. cessful execution of several recent do- tion to begin to know the effects of mestic terror threats in New York, The bill before us will serve to radical terrorism spreading throughout strengthen those homeland defense ef- Chicago, Florida, and elsewhere. the entire world and working its way Studying the causes of radicalization forts by preventing ideologies that pro- into the United States. and ideologically based violence will mote violence and terrorism from tak- I believe with all my heart and soul better inform all of us how we can pre- ing root in American soil. that we have a level of recognition of vent terrorists from spreading their We know that al Qaeda seeks to the threat that pales in comparison to messages of hate. spread their evil philosophy every- what the true threat is. I think this The Violent Radicalization and where, even into the minds of our own legislation will help awaken us a bit Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act U.S. citizens. To combat radical Mus- and help awaken others within our is the work of a solid bipartisan co- lim extremists’ ceaseless efforts at ex- country that this threat must be dealt operation at the subcommittee and full pansion, this bipartisan bill will create with. committee levels. Such cooperation is a commission to study violent We have a lot of issues that are im- readily apparent as the current bill in- radicalization and work with all levels portant for our country to deal with, cludes major aspects of H.R. 1695, Con- of government both here and abroad to but our homeland security is on the gressman REICHERT’s PREVENT Act, examine strategies to deal with this top of the list. I urge passage of this which was designed to establish a Na- phenomena. This bill has an estimated legislation. tional Commission on Radicalization. cost of approximately $20 million. This Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. The nonpartisan commission envi- number pales in comparison to the cost Madam Speaker, I continue to reserve sioned by Representatives REICHERT in human suffering and economic dev- the balance of my time. and HARMAN will be dedicated to com- astation a homegrown terrorist attack Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, it prehensively examining the phe- might bring. is indeed my pleasure to yield 3 min- nomenon of violent radicalization so As Americans, we must never give up utes to the gentleman from Georgia, that we might better understand its fighting the forces of hate and violence who is a member of the full Committee root causes within the United States. espoused by al Qaeda, and I believe this on Homeland Security (Mr. BROUN). I urge my colleagues to support this bill is a valuable weapon in that strug- Mr. BROUN of Georgia. Madam important timely, bipartisan piece of gle. I commend the chairwoman and Speaker, I thank the gentleman for legislation. Ranking Member REICHERT for their yielding. Mr. REICHERT. May I inquire as to tenacity in bringing this bill to the Madam Speaker, homegrown ter- how much time I have left. floor, and I support it. rorism is a very dangerous threat and The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. must not be overlooked. The United tleman from Washington has 11⁄2 min- Madam Speaker, at this time I have no States has an obligation and a solemn utes remaining. further requests for time, and I reserve duty to guard against the violent Mr. REICHERT. I have no additional the balance of my time. radicalization of the American popu- speakers. Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, it lation, a radicalization that has far- Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. is my pleasure to yield 3 minutes to reaching, devastating implications. Madam Speaker, at this time I would

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:18 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00012 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.020 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11861 like to yield such time as she may con- 2006; Chicago-area shopping mall, De- frastructure, I believe we can secure our sume to the chairman of the sub- cember of 2006; passengers aboard a homeland and remain true to our values simul- committee, Ms. HARMAN. transatlantic flight from the U.K. to taneously. The Muslim American community Ms. HARMAN. Madam Speaker, how the U.S.; soldiers at Fort Dix in New has grown in size and prominence, and is an much time remains on this side, may I Jersey; JFK Airport’s fueling systems integral part of the fabric of this Nation. Mus- ask? and others, these have been terrorist lim Americans share the same values and The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- acts that have been prevented, and we ideals that make this Nation great. Ideals such tleman from Mississippi has 6 minutes need to continue that effort. Passing as discipline, generosity, peace and modera- remaining. this legislation will accomplish that. tion. Ms. HARMAN. I assure the chairman Madam Speaker, I yield back the bal- Many years of civil rights jurisprudence and I will just take a brief amount of time. ance of my time. law have been ignored and thrown out the I want to note for the body that this Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. window when the racial profiling, harassment, has been an excellent debate. We are Madam Speaker, in closing, I urge my and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Ameri- bipartisan, we are unanimous, every- colleagues to join me in support of H.R. cans is permitted to occur with impunity. one understands the problem, and ev- 1955. This vital legislation will put our These practices show a reckless and utter dis- eryone wants to solve the problem. It Nation on the path to addressing an regard for the fundamental values on which is extremely refreshing, and I have emerging threat, homegrown ter- our country is founded: namely, due process, thoroughly enjoyed this debate. rorism. the presumption of innocence, nondiscrimina- I want to make two additional There is general agreement that the tion, individualized rather than group sus- points. Number one, our bill was se- threat of foreign-based terrorist groups picion, and equitable application of the law. quentially referred to the Judiciary is real. We, as a Nation, have dedicated We cannot allow xenophobia, prejudice, and Committee, and the Judiciary Com- a great deal of resources to global bigotry to prevail, and eviscerate the Constitu- mittee agreed to report it for it to be counterterrorism. However, in some tion we are bound to protect. brought up on the consent calendar. I corners, there has been a kind of The securing of our homeland and protec- would especially like to thank Chair- mindset about homeland security that tion of our national security is on the forefront man CONYERS for his cooperation and believes we will be safe if we get the of my agenda. However, using 9/11 as an im- note that our staff, our excellent staff, terrorists there before they get us here. petus to engage in racial profiling, harass- worked out this agreement. It’s the kind of mindset that ignores ment, and discrimination of Muslim and Arab My second comment is that a com- the fact that there are some would-be Americans is not only deplorable, it under- panion bill, the identical text, has been terrorists who are born here, raised and mines our civil liberties and impedes our suc- introduced in the Senate, and referred educated here, and only have lived here cess in the global war on terror. We must fight to the Government Affairs Committee, in the United States. For those of us our war on terror without compromising our which is the committee of jurisdiction who love this Nation, it is not the kind freedoms and liberties. there, and I hope that following pas- of thing that we want to acknowledge, It is precisely for these reasons that I so sage here, should we be able to pass the but we must. Enactment of H.R. 1955 strongly support H.R. 1955. This Act calls for bill today, there would be prompt ac- will put us on a course to under- the creation of the National Commission to ex- tion in the other body and we would standing homegrown terrorism and amine the various causes of violent have a law to send to the President to coming up with strategies to reduce radicalization and homegrown terrorism in sign this fall. this major threat to the homeland. order to propose concrete and meaningful rec- In conclusion, this is a good process Madam Speaker, I, also would like to ommendations and legislative strategies in and I think an excellent result. It will pay tribute to the chairwoman of the order to alleviate these threats. It also estab- make America more safe. committee for ushering this passage, as lishes a Center of Excellence for the Preven- well as the ranking member of the b 1145 tion of Radicalization and Home Grown Ter- committee. But I would also like to ac- rorism that will study the social, criminal, polit- Mr. REICHERT. Madam Speaker, I knowledge that Ranking Member KING, ical, psychological and economic roots of the just want to reemphasize the words of who had an unfortunate death in his problem as well as provide homeland security Chairwoman HARMAN, who just spoke. family, is not here. He has been a officials across the government with sugges- This really has been a bipartisan effort; source of support for this legislation tions for preventing radicalization and home- we talk a lot about that on the Hill and has helped get us to this point, and grown terrorism. Furthermore, it requires our here. And this committee, working I would like to acknowledge that for homeland security officials to thoroughly ex- with Ms. HARMAN has been, indeed, a the record. amine the experiences of other nations that pleasure, traveling across the country Madam Speaker, I urge passage of have experienced homegrown terrorism so to various locations, holding hearings this legislation. that our government might learn from those on this topic. Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Madam experiences. As such, H.R. 1955 does more It is important for the American peo- Speaker, I rise today in strong support of H.R. than merely address the current situation with ple to know and understand and realize 1955, the Violent Radicalization and Home- regard to homegrown terrorism but also works there really is truly a threat here with- grown Terrorist Prevention Act of 2007, intro- to identify the causes behind the problem and in the borders of the United States of duced by my distinguished colleague from address them as well. America, and how important it is for California, Representative HARMAN. This im- I strongly urge my colleagues to join me in all of us to work together because portant legislation recognizes the threat of supporting this important legislation. Americans working together keep this homegrown terrorism and seeks to address Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. country safe and protect the freedoms this burgeoning problem while maintaining the Madam Speaker, I yield back the bal- that we have all enjoyed, for me, 57 civil rights and liberties of American citizens. ance of my time. years of enjoying the freedoms of this Since May of this year, two separate plots The SPEAKER pro tempore. The blessed country. And I want the same against strategic American targets have been question is on the motion offered by things for my children and my grand- foiled and prevented by American officials. the gentleman from Mississippi (Mr. children. I want them to enjoy the What distinguishes them from previous ter- THOMPSON) that the House suspend the same freedoms that I’ve had the oppor- rorist plots against the United States is that rules and pass the bill, H.R. 1955, as tunities to enjoy. In order for us to do the potential terrorists here have no contact amended. that, both sides of the aisle have to with nor support from Al-Qaeda or any other The question was taken; and the work closely together to make sure overseas terrorist cells. America must be Speaker pro tempore announced that that we pass the laws, the legislation unique in its approach to homegrown ter- the ayes appeared to have it. that will accomplish that great feat. rorism, given the civil rights and civil liberties Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. In reminding the American people protections that are unique to America and en- Madam Speaker, on that I demand the what has happened in the past 18 joyed by all American citizens. yeas and nays. months in this country, the Sears As a senior Member of the Committee on The yeas and nays were ordered. Tower in Chicago in 2006; a New York- Homeland Security and Chair of the Sub- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- New Jersey PATH tunnel in July of committee on Transportation Security and In- ant to clause 8 of rule XX and the

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SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. ‘‘(2) REGISTRATION INFORMATION.—The Sec- ‘‘(2) CHECK OF TERRORIST WATCH LIST.— This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Secure Han- retary shall require that each applicant for reg- ‘‘(A) CHECK REQUIRED.—The Secretary shall dling of Ammonium Nitrate Act of 2007’’. istration under this subsection as a prospective conduct a check of appropriate identifying in- ammonium nitrate purchaser must submit to the SEC. 2. SECURE HANDLING OF AMMONIUM NI- formation of any person seeking to register with TRATE. Secretary the name, address, and telephone the Department under subsection (c) or (d) number of the applicant and the intended use of (a) IN GENERAL.—Title VIII of the Homeland against identifying information that appears on Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is ammonium nitrate to be purchased by the appli- the terrorist watch list. amended by adding at the end the following cant. ‘‘(B) AUTHORITY TO DENY REGISTRATION NUM- ‘‘(e) RECORDS.— new subtitle: BER.—If the person’s identifying information ‘‘(1) MAINTENANCE OF RECORDS.—The Sec- appears on the terrorist watch list and the Sec- ‘‘Subtitle J—Secure Handling of Ammonium retary shall require the owner of an ammonium retary determines such person may pose a threat Nitrate nitrate facility engaged in selling or transferring to national security, the Secretary may deny ‘‘SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS. ammonium nitrate to— issuance of a registration number under this ‘‘In this subtitle, the following definitions ‘‘(A) maintain a record of each sale or trans- subtitle. apply: fer of ammonium nitrate, during the two-year ‘‘(3) EXPEDITED REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS.— ‘‘(1) The term ‘ammonium nitrate’ means— period beginning on the date of such sale or ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Following the six-month ‘‘(A) solid ammonium nitrate that is chiefly transfer; and period provided for in section 899F(e), the Sec- the ammonium salt of nitric acid and contains ‘‘(B) include in such record the information retary shall, to the extent practicable, issue or not less than 33 percent nitrogen by weight; and described in paragraph (2). deny registration numbers under this subtitle ‘‘(B) any mixture containing a percentage of ‘‘(2) SPECIFIC INFORMATION REQUIRED.—For not later than 72 hours after the time the Sec- ammonium nitrate that is equal to or greater each such sale or transfer, the Secretary shall retary receives a complete registration applica- than the percentage determined by the Secretary require the owner of an ammonium nitrate facil- tion, unless the Secretary determines, in the in- under section 899B(b). ity to— terest of national security, that additional time ‘‘(2) The term ‘ammonium nitrate facility’ ‘‘(A) record the name, address, telephone is necessary to review an application. means any entity that produces, sells, or other- number, and registration number issued under ‘‘(B) NOTICE OF APPLICATION STATUS.—In all wise transfers ownership of, or provides applica- subsection (c) or (d) of each person that takes cases, the Secretary shall notify persons of the tion services for, ammonium nitrate. possession of ammonium nitrate from the owner status of their application not later than 72 ‘‘(3) The term ‘ammonium nitrate purchaser’ of an ammonium nitrate facility, in a manner hours after the time the Secretary receives a means any person who buys and takes posses- prescribed by the Secretary; complete registration application. ‘‘(B) if applicable, record the name, address, sion of ammonium nitrate from an ammonium ‘‘(4) EXPEDITED APPEALS PROCESS.— and telephone number of each individual who nitrate facility. ‘‘(A) REQUIREMENT.— takes possession of the ammonium nitrate on be- ‘‘(i) APPEALS PROCESS.—The Secretary shall ‘‘SEC. 899B. REGULATION OF THE SALE AND half of the person referred to in subparagraph establish an expedited appeals process for per- TRANSFER OF AMMONIUM NITRATE. (A), at the point of sale; sons denied a registration number under this ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall regu- ‘‘(C) record the date and quantity of ammo- subtitle. late the sale and transfer of ammonium nitrate nium nitrate sold or transferred; and ‘‘(ii) TIME PERIOD FOR RESOLUTION.—The Sec- by an ammonium nitrate facility in accordance ‘‘(D) verify the identity of the persons referred retary shall, to the extent practicable, resolve with this subtitle to prevent the misappropria- to in subparagraphs (A) and (B), as applicable, appeals not later than 72 hours after receiving tion or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of in accordance with a procedure established by a complete request for appeal unless the Sec- terrorism. the Secretary. retary determines, in the interest of national se- ‘‘(b) AMMONIUM NITRATE MIXTURES.—The ‘‘(3) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION.—In main- curity, that additional time is necessary to re- Secretary, in consultation with the heads of ap- taining records in accordance with paragraph solve an appeal. propriate Federal departments and agencies, in- (1), the owner of an ammonium nitrate facility ‘‘(B) CONSULTATION.—The Secretary, in devel- cluding the Secretary of Agriculture, shall, shall take reasonable actions to ensure the pro- oping the appeals process under subparagraph through notice and comment and by no later tection of the information included in such (A), shall consult with appropriate stakeholders. than 90 days after the date of the enactment of records. ‘‘(C) GUIDANCE.—The Secretary shall provide this subtitle, establish a threshold percentage ‘‘(f) EXEMPTION FOR EXPLOSIVE PURPOSES.— guidance regarding the procedures and informa- for ammonium nitrate in a substance. If a sub- The Secretary may exempt from this subtitle a tion required for an appeal under subparagraph stance contains a percentage of ammonium ni- person producing, selling, or purchasing ammo- (A) to persons denied registration numbers trate that is equal to or greater than the per- nium nitrate exclusively for use as an explosive under this subtitle. centage established by the Secretary, the sub- material under a license issued under chapter 40 ‘‘(5) RESTRICTIONS ON USE AND MAINTENANCE stance shall be treated as ammonium nitrate for of title 18, United States Code. OF INFORMATION.— the purposes of this subtitle. ‘‘(g) CONSULTATION.—In carrying out this sec- ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Information obtained by ‘‘(c) REGISTRATION OF OWNERS OF AMMONIUM tion, the Secretary shall consult with the Sec- the Secretary under this section may not be NITRATE FACILITIES.— retary of Agriculture, States, and appropriate made available to the public. ‘‘(1) REGISTRATION.—The Secretary shall es- private sector entities, to ensure that the access ‘‘(B) USE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION.—Any in- tablish a process by which— of agricultural producers to ammonium nitrate formation constituting grounds for denial of a ‘‘(A) any person who is the owner of an am- is not unduly burdened. registration number under this section shall be monium nitrate facility is required to register ‘‘(h) DATA CONFIDENTIALITY.— maintained confidentially by the Secretary and with the Department; and ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding section may be used only for making determinations ‘‘(B) upon such registration, such person is 552 of title 5, United States Code, or the USA under this section. Notwithstanding any other issued a registration number for purposes of this PATRIOT ACT (Public Law 107–56; 115 Stat. provision of this subtitle, the Secretary may subtitle. 272), and except as provided in paragraph (2), share any such information with Federal, State, ‘‘(2) REGISTRATION INFORMATION.—The Sec- the Secretary may not disclose to any person local, and tribal law enforcement agencies, as retary shall require that each applicant for reg- any information obtained under this subtitle. appropriate.

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‘‘(6) REGISTRATION INFORMATION.— ‘‘(C) any such additional subjects as the Sec- ‘‘(f) DELAY IN APPLICATION OF PROHIBITION.— ‘‘(A) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE INFORMATION.— retary determines are appropriate to prevent the Paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a) shall The Secretary may require a person applying for misappropriation or use of ammonium nitrate in apply beginning 6 months after the issuance by a registration number under this subtitle to sub- an act of terrorism. the Secretary of a final rule implementing this mit such information as may be necessary to ‘‘(2) USE OF MATERIALS AND PROGRAMS.—In subtitle. carry out the requirements of this section. providing guidance under this subsection, the ‘‘SEC. 899G. PROTECTION FROM CIVIL LIABILITY. ‘‘(B) REQUIREMENT TO UPDATE INFORMA- Secretary shall, to the extent practicable, lever- ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other TION.—The Secretary may require persons issued age any relevant materials and programs. provision of law, an owner of an ammonium ni- a registration under this subtitle to update reg- ‘‘(3) NOTIFICATION MATERIALS.— trate facility who in good faith refuses to sell or istration information submitted to the Secretary ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall make transfer ammonium nitrate to any person, or under this subtitle, as appropriate. available materials suitable for posting at am- who in good faith discloses to the Department or ‘‘(7) RE-CHECKS AGAINST TERRORIST WATCH monium nitrate facilities where ammonium ni- to appropriate law enforcement authorities an LIST.— trate is sold. actual or attempted purchase or transfer, based ‘‘(A) RE-CHECKS.—The Secretary shall, as ap- ‘‘(B) DESIGN OF MATERIALS.—Such materials upon a reasonable belief that the person seeking propriate, re-check persons provided a registra- shall be designed to notify prospective ammo- purchase or transfer of ammonium nitrate may tion number pursuant to this subtitle against nium nitrate purchasers of— use the ammonium nitrate to create an explosive the terrorist watch list, and may revoke such ‘‘(i) the record-keeping requirements under device to be employed in an act of terrorism (as registration number if the Secretary determines section 899B; and defined in section 3077 of title 18, United States ‘‘(ii) the penalties for violating such require- such person may pose a threat to national secu- Code), or to use ammonium nitrate for any other ments. rity. unlawful purpose, shall be immune from civil li- ‘‘(B) NOTICE OF REVOCATION.—The Secretary ‘‘SEC. 899E. THEFT REPORTING REQUIREMENT. ability arising from that refusal to sell ammo- shall, as appropriate, provide prior notice to a ‘‘Any person who is required to comply with nium nitrate or from making that disclosure. person whose registration number is revoked section 899B(e) who has knowledge of the theft ‘‘(b) LIMITATION.—Subsection (a) shall not be under this section and such person shall have or unexplained loss of ammonium nitrate shall construed to apply with respect to any refusal an opportunity to appeal, as provided in para- report such theft or loss to the appropriate Fed- to sell or disclosure— graph (4). eral law enforcement authorities within one cal- ‘‘(1) that violates— ‘‘SEC. 899C. INSPECTION AND AUDITING OF endar day of the date on which the person be- ‘‘(A) title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 RECORDS. comes aware of such theft or loss. Upon receipt (42 U.S.C. 2000e et seq); or ‘‘The Secretary shall establish a process for of such report, the relevant Federal authorities ‘‘(B) the Americans with Disabilities Act of the periodic inspection and auditing of the shall inform State, local, and tribal law enforce- 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12101 et seq.); or records maintained by owners of ammonium ni- ment entities as appropriate. ‘‘(2) made on the basis that the person seeking trate facilities for the purpose of monitoring ‘‘SEC. 899F. PROHIBITIONS AND PENALTY. purchase or transfer of ammonium nitrate is a compliance with such section or for the purpose ‘‘(a) PROHIBITIONS.— veteran or member of the armed forces of the of deterring or preventing the misappropriation ‘‘(1) TAKING POSSESSION.—No person shall United States. or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of ter- take possession of ammonium nitrate from an ‘‘SEC. 899H. PREEMPTION OF OTHER LAWS. rorism. ammonium nitrate facility unless such person is ‘‘(a) OTHER FEDERAL REGULATIONS.—Except ‘‘SEC. 899D. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS. registered under subsection (c) or (d) of section as provided in section 899G, nothing in this sub- ‘‘(a) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS.—The Sec- 899B, or is an agent of a person registered under title affects any regulation issued by any agen- retary— subsection (c) or (d) of that section. cy other than an agency of the Department. ‘‘(1) may enter into a cooperative agreement ‘‘(2) TRANSFERRING POSSESSION.—An owner of ‘‘(b) STATE LAW.—Subject to section 899G, this with the Secretary of Agriculture, or the head of an ammonium nitrate facility shall not transfer subtitle preempts the laws of any State to the any State department of agriculture or its des- possession of ammonium nitrate from the ammo- extent that such laws are inconsistent with this ignee involved in agricultural regulation, in nium nitrate facility to any person who is not subtitle, except that this subtitle shall not pre- consultation with the State agency responsible registered under subsection (c) or (d) of section empt any State law that provides additional for homeland security, to carry out the provi- 899B, unless such person is an agent of a person protection against the acquisition of ammonium sions of this subtitle; and registered under subsection (c) or (d) of that sec- nitrate by terrorists or the use of ammonium ni- ‘‘(2) wherever possible, shall seek to cooperate tion. trate in explosives in acts of terrorism or for with State agencies or their designees that over- ‘‘(3) OTHER PROHIBITIONS.—No person shall— other illicit purposes, as determined by the Sec- see ammonium nitrate facility operations when ‘‘(A) buy and take possession of ammonium retary. seeking cooperative agreements to implement the nitrate without a registration number required ‘‘SEC. 899I. DEADLINES FOR REGULATIONS. registration and enforcement provisions of this under subsection (c) or (d) of section 899B; ‘‘The Secretary— subtitle. ‘‘(B) own or operate an ammonium nitrate fa- ‘‘(1) shall issue a proposed rule implementing ‘‘(b) DELEGATION.— cility without a registration number required this subtitle within six months after the date of ‘‘(1) AUTHORITY.—The Secretary may delegate under section 899B(c); or the enactment of this subtitle; and to a State the authority to assist the Secretary ‘‘(C) fail to comply with any requirement or ‘‘(2) issue a final rule implementing this sub- in the administration and enforcement of this violate any other prohibition under this subtitle. title within one year after such date of enact- subtitle. ‘‘(b) PROHIBITIONS.—No person shall— ment. ‘‘(2) DELEGATION REQUIRED.—At the request of ‘‘(1) buy and take possession of ammonium ni- a Governor of a State, the Secretary shall dele- trate without a registration number required ‘‘SEC. 899J. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIA- gate to the State the authority to carry out under subsection (c) or (d) of section 899B; TIONS. functions under sections 899B and 899C, if the ‘‘(2) own or operate an ammonium nitrate fa- ‘‘There are authorized to be appropriated to Secretary determines that the State is capable of cility without a registration number required the Secretary such sums as may be necessary to satisfactorily carrying out such functions. under section 899B(c); or carry out this subtitle for fiscal years 2007 ‘‘(3) FUNDING.—Subject to the availability of ‘‘(3) fail to comply with any requirement or through 2011.’’. appropriations, if the Secretary enters into an violate any other prohibition under this subtitle. (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of con- agreement with a State under this subsection to ‘‘(c) CIVIL PENALTY.—A person that violates tents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by delegate functions to the State, the Secretary this subtitle may be assessed a civil penalty by adding at the end of the items relating to title shall provide to the State sufficient funds to the Secretary of not more than $50,000 per viola- VIII the following new items: carry out the delegated functions. tion. ‘‘Subtitle J—Secure Handling of Ammonium ‘‘(c) PROVISION OF GUIDANCE AND NOTIFICA- ‘‘(d) PENALTY CONSIDERATIONS.—In deter- Nitrate TION MATERIALS TO AMMONIUM NITRATE FACILI- mining the amount of a civil penalty under this ‘‘Sec. 899A. Definitions. TIES.— section, the Secretary shall consider— ‘‘Sec. 899B. Regulation of the sale and transfer ‘‘(1) GUIDANCE.—The Secretary shall make ‘‘(1) the nature and circumstances of the vio- of ammonium nitrate. available to each owner of an ammonium nitrate lation; ‘‘Sec. 899C. Inspection and auditing of records. facility registered under section 899B(c)(1) guid- ‘‘(2) with respect to the person who commits ‘‘Sec. 899D. Administrative provisions. ance on— the violation, any history of prior violations, the ‘‘Sec. 899E. Theft reporting requirement. ‘‘(A) the identification of suspicious ammo- ability to pay the penalty, and any effect the ‘‘Sec. 899F. Prohibitions and penalty. nium nitrate purchases or transfers or attempted penalty is likely to have on the ability of such ‘‘Sec. 899G. Protection from civil liability. purchases or transfers; person to do business; and ‘‘Sec. 899H. Preemption of other laws. ‘‘(B) the appropriate course of action to be ‘‘(3) any other matter that the Secretary de- ‘‘Sec. 899I. Deadlines for regulations. taken by the ammonium nitrate facility owner termines that justice requires. ‘‘Sec. 899J. Authorization of appropriations.’’. with respect to such a purchase or transfer or ‘‘(e) NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR A HEAR- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- attempted purchase or transfer, including— ING.—No civil penalty may be assessed under ant to the rule, the gentleman from ‘‘(i) exercising the right of the owner of the this subtitle unless the person liable for the pen- ammonium nitrate facility to decline sale of am- alty has been given notice and an opportunity Mississippi (Mr. THOMPSON) and the monium nitrate; and for a hearing on the violation for which the gentleman from California (Mr. DANIEL ‘‘(ii) notifying appropriate law enforcement penalty is to be assessed in the county, parish, E. LUNGREN) each will control 20 min- entities; and or incorporated city of residence of that person. utes.

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I believe this tive days within which to revise and nium nitrate without being registered legislation strikes that balance. extend their remarks on this bill and or checked against the terrorist watch We originally took up this legislation include therein any extraneous mate- list. in the 109th Congress and we approved rial. Madam Speaker, I am proud to say it in the Committee on Homeland Se- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there that our committee has worked col- curity. But the 109th Congress ended objection to the request of the gen- laboratively with industry stake- before this legislation could be consid- tleman from Mississippi? holders in the agriculture industry on ered on the House floor, so I’m happy There was no objection. this legislation. We consulted State to see this legislation before us again Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. and local farm bureaus, fertilizer man- in the 110th Congress. And I thank the Madam Speaker, I yield myself such ufacturers and retail outlets, and min- chairman for bringing it to us at this time as I may consume. ing and explosive makers. It is reas- time. Madam Speaker, I rise in strong sup- suring to know that we can all come H.R. 1680 is a bipartisan bill. We port of H.R. 1680, the Secure Handling together to come up with a reasonable worked with our colleagues across the of Ammonium Nitrate Act of 2007. approach to regulating ammonium ni- aisle to strengthen the prevention of The committee has worked vigilantly trate. terrorism component of this bill by in- to get this bill to where it is today. In I have somewhat of a vested interest sisting on a registration requirement fact, we’ve been working on this bill in in getting this right, Madam Speaker. for those who purchase ammonium ni- a bipartisan way for two Congresses There is an ammonium nitrate plant in trate rather than just those who sell it. now. my district. The Terra Yazoo City We were happy to see the committee We all know the devastating impact plant has been in operation for more accept three Republican amendments that fertilizer bombs can have. Over 12 than 50 years. The Terra plant is a to this bill. I introduced an amendment years ago, domestic terrorists used an major economic engine in our local which requires the Department of ammonium nitrate-based bomb to blow economy, providing good-paying jobs Homeland Security to check the name up the Murrah Federal Building in and stable jobs for the community. of applicants for ammonium nitrate Oklahoma City. That blast had a force The Terra facility and many others registration numbers against terrorist equal to that of 4,000 pounds of TNT. It like it across the country are com- watch lists. This will prevent suspected killed 168 people. mitted to safeguarding ammonium ni- terrorists from acquiring this deadly Since that time, ammonium nitrate- trate, but they cannot do it alone. The material and will alert law enforce- based bombs have repeatedly been used Federal Government needs to show ment authorities of potential plots throughout the world. In 2002, a group some leadership here. That is why H.R. under way. linked to al Qaeda detonated a bomb 1680 directs DHS to take the lead in Other Republican amendments pro- outside a night club in Bali, Indonesia, coming up with an approach to reg- vide civil liability protection for the killing 202 people. In 2003, an al Qaeda istering ammonium nitrate purchases. sellers of ammonium nitrate in the cell in Istanbul killed 57 people in two I am pleased that through this bipar- event they refuse to sell ammonium ni- separate explosions. Last year, Cana- tisan effort we’ve been able to come up trate to suspect purchasers or make re- dian authorities arrested 17 people in with an approach to tighten control of ports to law enforcement about suspect Toronto for plotting to attack targets ammonium nitrate, yet allow it to re- purchasers. No seller of ammonium ni- with ammonium nitrate-based bombs. main accessible for crop nutrition pur- trate should be afraid to deny sale of This threat is real, Madam Speaker. poses. this dangerous material out of fear of To do nothing about it is unacceptable. This legislation is another of our on- legal action. However, I have always believed that going homeland security efforts at pre- Ammonium nitrate is a legitimate we must act in a thoughtful manner venting a future terrorist attack on chemical used to fertilize our crops; that recognizes the importance of am- our Nation. but its availability, accessibility, ease monium nitrate in our agricultural I would like to thank subcommittee of bomb-making, cost, and history of sector. Chairman LANGEVIN, Ranking Member prior use make it an obvious material I am proud of the work that the Com- KING, and others, for their leadership for large explosives that could be em- mittee on Homeland Security has done. on this critical issue. Each has put ployed in terrorist attacks. The committee has worked hard to en- their mark on the bill through the We need only to look back in recent sure that H.R. 1680 strikes the right committee process. Their efforts, with- history to understand that ammonium balance between ensuring access to am- out question, made this a better bill. nitrate can be the terrorist tool of monium nitrate for farmers and mak- I urge my colleagues to join me in choice: the al Qaeda bombings of U.S. ing it difficult for terrorists to obtain. supporting H.R. 1680. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in Specifically, this bill directs DHS, in Madam Speaker, I reserve the bal- 1998; in November 2003 scores of indi- consultation with State agricultural ance of my time. viduals killed when terrorists deto- authorities, to create a registry of fa- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- nated ammonium nitrate bombs in cilities that manufacture and sell am- fornia. Madam Speaker, I yield myself Istanbul; in March 2005 British anti- monium nitrate. H.R. 1680 requires the such time as I may consume. terror police seized a half ton of ammo- sales of ammonium nitrate to be lim- Madam Speaker, a vote on this legis- nium nitrate from suspects accused of ited to purchasers who register in ad- lation is long overdue. The need to reg- being affiliated with Islamic terrorists; vance and that the name, address, tele- ulate ammonium nitrate has been evi- later that month, over 3,000 pounds of phone number and registration number dent since the bombing of the Alfred ammonium nitrate was stolen by of the purchaser be recorded. Murrah building in 1995. This legisla- armed terrorists in Thailand; the ar- The tracking and registration func- tion is needed to protect Americans rests last summer, June 2006, of 17 peo- tions are not new phenomena. The ag- from those who seek to utilize this ple in Canada on charges that they riculture and fertilizer industry and dangerous chemical in terrorist at- were planning on using ammonium ni- some States have been engaged in vol- tacks. But as the chairman said, we trate to make an extremely powerful untary programs to monitor sale of must balance this threat to our Na- bomb. ammonium nitrate for some time. In tion’s security with the need for am- fact, Madam Speaker, a handful of monium nitrate to remain accessible b 1200 States, including New York, California, because it is a highly effective agricul- Al Qaeda has an Internet hit on how New Jersey, Nevada, Oklahoma, Mis- tural fertilizer and has other legiti- to make ammonium nitrate bombs. An souri, South Carolina, Maryland, mate uses in industries like mining. ABC News team last fall demonstrated

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No one asked for their identifica- committee to craft an expedited ap- rected applications by those seeking to tion. That ammonium nitrate was peals process for farmers who have distribute or utilize ammonium nitrate stored in a public storage facility just been adversely affected by the name be checked against a terror watch list a few miles from where we stand today. check process. The Department of with an expedited appeals process to These events have demonstrated vul- Homeland Security must either ap- handle any cases of mistaken hits. nerabilities that put us in the cross- prove or deny an application within 3 Ranking Member KING also offered an hairs of terrorist sights right where we days. If someone is denied a registra- amendment that would protect legiti- live, work and travel. Here in the U.S., tion number under the program, they mate distributors of ammonium ni- a few of our States, including Cali- may appeal and get a resolution from trate if they act in good faith when fornia, have already begun to imple- the government within 3 days. The pro- they refuse to sell to a suspicious pur- ment laws to secure the handling of vision ensures that farmers who are chaser or if they notify the department ammonium nitrate. The chemical and misidentified do not jeopardize their of that would-be purchaser’s suspicious farming industry developed important livelihoods due to a governmental mis- behavior. Finally, Congresswoman protections in their respective indus- take. This is a commonsense bill that BROWN-WAITE offered an amendment tries to keep this substance out of the guaranties that ammonium nitrate in that would help to streamline record- hands of terrorists. our country is being used for legiti- keeping requirements for agricultural These are important efforts, but it mate agricultural purposes and not for retail outlets. These amendments have creates a patchwork where all a ter- harm. all served to strengthen the bill. rorist has to do to build a ammonium Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to The need for this legislation is clear. nitrate bomb is to travel from New adopt this bill. Ammonium nitrate has been the explo- York to Pennsylvania to acquire it. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- sive material of choice in a number of Congress needs to step in to set a na- fornia. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes acts and attempted acts of terrorism, tional policy. This legislation does just to the distinguished gentleman from including the 1995 bombing of the that. It sets a floor across the Nation Pennsylvania (Mr. DENT), a member of Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma so that ammonium nitrate is used as the Homeland Security Committee. City which killed 168 innocent men, intended, that is, to grow our Nation’s Mr. DENT. Mr. Speaker, if there is an women and children. The 1998 attacks crops, not to create the next Oklahoma example of how legislation should be on the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and City bombing. We believe fair and pro- crafted, the Secure Handling of Ammo- Tanzania, the Toronto-based bomb plot portionate regulations will allow am- nium Nitrate Act of 2007 is it. This is a thwarted by the Royal Canadian monium nitrate to continue to be great bill that will help to improve our Mounted Police in June 2006, of course, available to legitimate users who are homeland security. And if it should most recently, the attempts by a ter- not a security concern while at the succeed on the floor today, its passage rorist group in London to detonate ex- same time preventing and deterring its will be a tribute to the spirit of biparti- plosive charges throughout the United acquisition by those who wish to do us sanship that is alive and well in the Kingdom. harm. Homeland Security Committee and I hope the House will see fit to join By supporting H.R. 1680, we will take that has been carefully cultivated me in supporting this effective legisla- another step in upholding our responsi- under the leadership of that commit- tion. It is a very bipartisan piece of bility to protect the lives and liveli- tee’s chairman, the gentleman from legislation. Again, I would like to hood of our American citizenry. Mississippi (Mr. THOMPSON), its rank- thank my colleague from California for And with that, I reserve the balance ing member (Mr. KING), and certainly yielding me this time and thank him of my time. Mr. LUNGREN, to my immediate left, for his leadership on this issue. Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Mr. who have all worked very hard to work Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gen- in that bipartisan environment on the Speaker, at this time, I do not have tleman from Colorado (Mr. committee. any additional requests for speakers, PERLMUTTER), a distinguished member The bill started out in the 109th Con- and I am prepared to close. of our committee. gress where it was introduced by Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- Mr. PERLMUTTER. Thank you, Mr. former Congressman Curt Weldon of fornia. Mr. Speaker, let me just use the Chairman. Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, while it balance of my time to say that I thank Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong passed in the Homeland Security Com- the chairman for the work he has done support of House bill 1680, the Secure mittee, it was never addressed in the on bringing this to the floor at this Handling of Ammonium Nitrate Act. full House. Fortunately, in 2007, Chair- time so we can complete action with On many of the 728 farms in my dis- man THOMPSON recognized the impor- the Senate and get it to the President’s trict and those throughout the coun- tance of this legislation and helped re- desk to be signed. I would also like to try, hardworking farmers rely on am- vive the bill in the new Congress. Both mention the ranking member of the monium nitrate as a trusted fertilizer sides worked together to make sure full committee (Mr. KING) who could that can produce more nutrients than that the bill accomplished its objec- not be here because he is still return- natural fertilizers, but by its very tive, to keep ammonium nitrate out of ing from the funeral for his mother chemical nature, ammonium nitrate is the hands of Timothy McVeighs and who passed away this past week. Mr. also a substance that, if mixed with other would-be terrorists of the world KING has done tremendous work on certain fuels, can be used as a powerful while making sure that legitimate end this, particularly the amendment for explosive. The Oklahoma City bombing users of the substance in agricultural liability protection for the sellers of of 1995 is perhaps the most notable and production were not inconvenienced. ammonium nitrate if they act in good frightening example of ammonium ni- An en bloc amendment offered by faith to protect the American people. trate’s potential. Therefore, we must Chairman THOMPSON, for example, re- Mr. KING has done yeoman work in this do all we can to prevent criminals and moved the requirement that farmers regard to this and other bills. I hope murderers from obtaining this legal and others register with the Depart- that we would recognize that at this substance while maintaining easy ac- ment of Homeland Security so long as time. cess for our Nation’s farmers. they never come into possession of the Again, Mr. Speaker, this is an exam- The Secure Handling of Ammonium ammonium nitrate. ple of a bipartisan approach to an issue Nitrate Act creates a national registry In addition to protecting the rights that affects all Americans, Democrat, to monitor the purchase and sale of of legitimate end users, the chairman Republican, independent, whatever. It

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I strongly support this legislation, and I Members to have full support for this bombing as well as by subsequent terrorist urge my colleagues to do likewise. bill. plots in 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance According to a 1998 National Research CAPUANO). The question is on the mo- of my time. Council report, ‘‘Containing the Threat From Il- tion offered by the gentleman from Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Mr. legal Bombings,’’ short of a method of neutral- Mississippi (Mr. THOMPSON) that the Speaker, as DHS Secretary Michael izing the explosive properties of ammonium ni- House suspend the rules and pass the Chertoff recently said, improvised ex- trate, which we do not yet have, commercial bill, H.R. 1680, as amended. plosive devices are the weapon of controls and regulatory action ‘‘offer the best The question was taken; and (two- choice for terrorists. And when it means of reducing the threat from illegal thirds being in the affirmative) the comes to making an improvised bomb, bombings.’’ rules were suspended and the bill, as regrettably, ammonium nitrate seems H.R. 1680 will require the creation of these amended, was passed. to be an easy access to use. That is why controls and regulations. This bill will provide The title was amended so as to read: I authored the Secure Handling of Am- the Department of Homeland Security with the ‘‘A bill to authorize the Secretary of monium Nitrate Act. It will put safe- authority to develop a nationally consistent, ef- Homeland Security to regulate the sale guards in place to keep ammonium ni- fective, and integrated approach to control ac- of ammonium nitrate to prevent and trate out of the hands of terrorists cess to ammonium nitrate, and it will require deter the acquisition of ammonium ni- while ensuring that farmers can still the Department to develop a regulatory sys- trate by terrorists, and for other pur- access it. Ammonium nitrate fertilizer tem aimed at keeping these fertilizers away poses.’’. is a popular fertilizer because it is rel- from those who would use it to threaten our A motion to reconsider was laid on atively inexpensive and highly effec- nation. Under the provisions of this legislation, the table. tive. the Department of Homeland Security will reg- In 2005 alone, 1.4 million short tons of f ister all producers, sellers, and purchasers of ammonium nitrate fertilizer was used TO ELIMINATE THE EXEMPTION ammonium nitrate, and those who purchase to direct application to farmers’ fields. FROM STATE REGULATION FOR and take custody of this product will be re- Passage of H.R. 1680 will ensure that CERTAIN SECURITIES DES- quired to provide their names, addresses, and ammonium nitrate will remain avail- IGNATED BY NATIONAL SECURI- telephone numbers to the Department. All of able to those who need to access it for TIES EXCHANGES these individuals will be accountable for any proper purposes. At the same time, pas- ammonium nitrate they take possession of. Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speak- sage of this bill is an important step In addition, this legislation will require pro- er, I move to suspend the rules and toward ensuring that our Nation is ducers and sellers to maintain records of all pass the bill (H.R. 2868) to eliminate more secure against the threat of im- sales and transfers for at least three years. the exemption from State regulation provised explosive devices. for certain securities designated by na- I, too, would like to acknowledge the Sellers will have the right to refuse sale to pre- tional securities exchanges, as amend- work of the minority committee as vent misappropriation of this potentially dan- ed. well as Colleen O’Keefe, who will be gerous substance, and they will be provided with guidance on identifying suspicious activ- The Clerk read the title of the bill. leaving the committee today. Karis The text of the bill is as follows: Gutter on this side, has worked on the ity, as well as how to alert law enforcement of- majority side on the committee, and I ficials to such behavior. Additionally, pro- H.R. 2868 would like to acknowledge both of ducers and sellers will be required to report Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- them. At an earlier comment, I re- any loss or theft to law enforcement within 24 resentatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, ferred to Ranking Member KING’s un- hours. This legislation also provides further means SECTION 1. SCOPE OF EXEMPTION FROM STATE fortunate tragedy in his family and SECURITIES REGULATION. why he was not here. So I would like to for enforcement, establishing a process for the Department to track, monitor, and audit the Section 18(b)(1) of the Securities Act of join with the comments of Mr. LUN- 1933 (15 U.S.C. 77r(b)(1)) is amended— GREN in that respect. ammonium nitrate records. Under the provi- (1) in subparagraph (A)— Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to sions of this bill, enforcement may be dele- (A) by striking ‘‘or the American Stock join me in passing this critical home- gated to States where cooperative agreements Exchange, or listed, or authorized for listing, land security legislation. and sufficient funding exist. To punish viola- on the National Market System of the Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas. Mr. Speaker, tions, the Department may levy civil fines of Nasdaq Stock Market (or any successor to I rise in strong support of H.R. 1680, legisla- up to $50,000. This legislation does not pre- such entities)’’ and inserting ‘‘, the Amer- ican Stock Exchange, or the Nasdaq Stock tion critical to securing our nation against fur- empt or alter any State statute providing addi- tional protection against ammonium nitrate fall- Market (or any successor to such entities)’’; ther acts of terrorism. I am proud to co-spon- and sor this legislation, which I believe effectively ing into the hands of terrorists. (B) by inserting before the semicolon the balances necessary measures to provide addi- Yet in our counterterrorism efforts we should following: ‘‘, except that a security listed, or tional security with the need to protect our ag- not lose sight of the need to protect the Amer- authorized for listing, on the New York ricultural industry . ican farmer, especially small farmers strug- Stock Exchange, the American Stock Ex- On September 11th, 2001, our enemies gling to make ends meet on the family farm. change, or the Nasdaq Stock Market (or any demonstrated their ability to use everyday ob- Ammonium nitrate is an essential tool they successor to such entities) shall not be a cov- jects as deadly weapons. Ammonium nitrate is use to sustain themselves and their families ered security if the exchange adopts listing a product of great use to our nation’s agricul- and those essential needs should not be over- standards pursuant to section 19(b) of the Se- looked. Our counter-terrorism efforts should curities Exchange Act of 1934 (15 U.S.C. tural sectors, but, in the hands of terrorists, 78s(b)) that designates a tier or segment of could cause America great harm. Like the air- not be detrimental to the continued availability such securities as securities that are not planes flown into buildings, fertilizer bombs of ammonium nitrate fertilizer to U.S. farmers, covered securities for purposes of this sec- have been used to deadly effect, beginning in- endangering their way of life and threatening tion and such security is listed, or author- famously with the 1995 Oklahoma City bomb- their livelihoods. ized for listing, on such tier or segment’’; ing. We need to balance these very real secu- H.R. 1680 offers an opportunity to strength- and rity concerns against the vital value of ammo- en our defenses against the threat of terrorism (2) in subparagraph (B), by inserting ‘‘cov- nium nitrate fertilizer to the U.S. plant food in- without placing an extraordinary burden on in- ered’’ after ‘‘applicable to’’. dustry, its many local retail agribusiness out- dustry. This legislation has the support of The The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- lets, and the farmers and livestock producers Fertilizer Institute, an industry group rep- ant to the rule, the gentleman from they serve. resenting most fertilizer producers. New York (Mr. MEEKS) and the gen- Ammonium nitrate fertilizes our nation’s Mr. Speaker, as our nation’s leaders, it is tleman from New York (Mr. FOSSELLA) crops, and it helps the American economy our responsibility to be proactive, and to make each will control 20 minutes.

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I would Members may have 5 legislative days York Stock Exchange or NASDAQ, to also like to thank the chairman of the within which to revise and extend their raise capital internationally.’’ It con- committee, Mr. FRANK, and especially remarks on this legislation and to in- tinues to say: ‘‘The IPO market offers the ranking member, Mr. BACHUS, for sert extraneous material thereon. other examples of jurisdictional arbi- bringing this bill to the floor, again, The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there trage working against the United without whom this would not be pos- objection to the request of the gen- States, with very small-cap companies sible. tleman from New York? in the United States increasingly fa- Over the past year or more there has There was no objection. voring London’s Alternative Invest- been a new and rightly placed focus on Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speak- ment Market over NASDAQ,’’ and I add the competitiveness of the United er, I yield myself such time as I may here the American Stock Exchange. States capital markets. As emerging consume. ‘‘American private equity firms are international markets continue to Mr. Speaker, I have been a major ad- choosing to list on European ex- grow, the natural and historical attrac- vocate of making sure that America changes.’’ tion to the U.S. capital markets has maintains its global competitive edge Mr. Speaker, in this study, leading fi- given way to the considerations of a whether it is in business or human de- nancial services executives who were broader scale. In short, the U.S. is no velopment. America must stay at the interviewed indicated that ‘‘the legal longer the only game in town. forefront of innovation, productivity environment and regulatory frame- Over the past several years, as my and expertise. No matter how economi- work in particular were critical to po- good friend Mr. MEEKS has indicated, cally, militarily or culturally strong a tential issuers considering whether to several reports have been published Nation has become, it will certainly enter the U.S. markets.’’ The imple- that argue the regulatory and legal en- begin its decline when it rests on the mentation of Sarbanes-Oxley was part vironment in the U.S. serve as negative laurels of its past accomplishments and of the United States regulatory frame- considerations when market partici- ceases to stay ahead of the competi- work that was cited as a concern for pants choose where to raise capital or tion. issuers in considering the markets in headquarter a global business. With H.R. 2868 was introduced by me and which they would list. new markets popping up across the my good friend and colleague from New This is why earlier this year I intro- globe, investors and businesses now York, VITO FOSSELLA, toward the goal duced H.R. 1508, the COMPETE Act of have more options, and increasingly we of maintaining America’s competitive 2007, to improve the implementation of are seeing them choose alternatives to business advantage. Although Mr. section 404 of Sarbanes-Oxley. My of- the U.S., such as Hong Kong, Singa- FOSSELLA and I may be on opposite fice has worked closely with the pore, and London. sides of the aisle, we stand in the same PCAOB and the SEC to review and dis- We have seen an increasing number space when it comes to our support for cuss the regulatory reforms of SOX. We of U.S. companies, in particular small American businesses and American hope it will improve the implementa- companies, raise capital on foreign ex- markets. tion of the law. changes, in particular, London’s Alter- Recently, Mayor Michael Bloomberg Toward continuing my efforts to im- native Investment Market, or, as of New York City and Senator CHARLES prove our regulatory environment, known commonly, AIM. Clearly, the SCHUMER commissioned a study on H.R. 2868 will make a technical change United States remains the global finan- ‘‘Sustaining New York’s and the U.S.’s to the 1996 National Securities Market cial leader. Overall, I believe we can be Global Financial Services Leadership.’’ Improvement Act that would allow the optimistic about the future growth and In the executive summary of that American Stock Exchange and success of the American capital mar- study, it states, ‘‘The U.S. financial NASDAQ to offer a tier 2 level listing if kets. However, in a constantly evolving markets, with New York at the center, they so choose. This would allow these and ever-innovative global market- are still the world’s largest and are exchanges to compete more directly place, we cannot take our leadership among the most important by many with the London Alternative Invest- for granted, nor ignore indicators that measures.’’ ment Market and the Toronto Stock the U.S. competitive edge is dimin- The United States is home to more of Exchange. It will help us keep our com- the world’s top financial services insti- petitive advantage and lead. ishing. As lawmakers, we have a crit- tutions than any other country. Six of Mr. Speaker, I would also like to ical responsibility to ensure the U.S. the top 10 financial institutions by thank Chairman FRANK for moving this remains at the forefront of the finan- market capitalization are based in the bill through the committee. I would cial markets. Strong capital markets are not a suc- New York area, and U.S.-based firms also like to give special thanks to my cess realized by Wall Street and invest- still head the global investment bank- cosponsor, Mr. FOSSELLA, for the work ment bankers exclusively. Strong mar- ing revenue rankings. of his office, particularly Ryan McKee. In terms of global financial stock, I also want to thank Lawranne Stewart kets mean jobs, economic growth and the United States remains the largest and Deborah Silberman of Mr. FRANK’s retirement security for people across market, well ahead of Europe, Japan staff, and of course Mr. Jameel John- the United States. We cannot control and the rest of Asia, although the fi- son, my chief of staff. the evolution of overseas markets or nancial stock in other regions is now Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of their ability to compete in a global growing faster than it is here in the my time. marketplace, nor should we want to. United States. The United States gen- Mr. FOSSELLA. Mr. Speaker, I yield What we can control, however, is our erates more revenues from financial myself such time as I may consume. ability to respond and to adapt to services than any other region. But Mr. Speaker, let me at the outset changing circumstances with innova- once again, the rest of the world is thank my colleague from New York tion and flexibility that will allow our challenging that leadership in a hotly (Mr. MEEKS) without whom this legis- markets and market-makers to main- contested investment banking and lation would not be possible. As he has tain their competitive edge. This bill, the Small Cap Competitive sales and trading markets. mentioned, while we are on opposite sides of the aisle, we share the common Listing Act, is an important and rea- b 1215 goal of ensuring that the U.S. remain sonable step toward achieving that To sum up that paragraph with a the envy of the world when it comes goal. In order to compete in an increas- phrase that Satchel Paige is known for: not just to capital markets but also ingly global and highly competitive ‘‘Don’t look back. Someone might be the place where people can come, in- marketplace, exchanges both domestic gaining on you.’’ vestors can come, entrepreneurs can and international have developed addi- To further quote the study, the study exist and find capital and make this tional listing tiers, with lower listing says: ‘‘The choice of venue for IPOs of- country even better and stronger. standards to expand opportunities for

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The exchange has tri- vate. compete with London’s AIM and other pled its number of listed companies to 1,640 Mr. Speaker, in 1996, Congress passed emerging market exchanges across the since 2000, with about one-third of them inter- the National Securities Market Im- world, and understand that the Amer- national. A total of 63 companies worth about provement Act in an effort to stream- ican people, the American businessman $11 billion are from the United States—the line the regulatory process and elimi- and woman, can compete with anyone highest representation on AIM. nate duplication. Common sense. This if given the tools and the barriers are The U.S. must take the necessary steps to act included an important provision diminished. maintain our capital markets as the premiere that granted preemption from State se- Mr. Speaker, I have no speakers. Mr. choice for companies large and small, within curity regulation to the national ex- MEEKS, thank you very much. As well, our country and throughout the world. The changes: the New York Stock Ex- I would like to add my thanks to his New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) previously change, NASDAQ, and the American staff and that of Mr. FRANK, Mr. BACH- offered a developmental tier through Arca, but Stock Exchange. Because these listings US, and on my staff, Ryan McKee, and is currently in the process of getting out of that were national in scope on the major urge my colleagues to adopt the under- business, while the AMEX has expressed an U.S. exchanges, Congress deferred regu- lying legislation. interest in developing a second tier. lation to the Securities and Exchange With that, I yield back the balance of I am proud to co-sponsor H.R. 2868, which Commission. However, as the markets my time. was introduced by my esteemed colleagues have evolved, that legislation has cre- Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speak- from New York, Congressman MEEKS and ated a legislative barrier to the estab- er, again, I would like to thank Mr. Congressman FOSELLA. I urge all of my col- lishment of developmental tiers on na- FOSSELLA for all of his hard work, be- leagues to support this important legislation, tional exchanges. cause that is what we are talking level the playing field, and ensure our domes- Because developmental tiers have about. We are talking about basically tic exchanges can compete in the global mar- less stringent listing standards, securi- the backbone of America has always ketplace. ties offered on those exchanges should been its small businesses. So when we Mr. MEEKS of New York. Mr. Speak- in fact be subject to State regulatory have these firms, we want them to in- er, I yield back the balance of my time. oversight in addition to the SEC over- vest and grow their businesses right The SPEAKER pro tempore. The sight. The legislation provides the na- here in the United States of America. question is on the motion offered by tional exchanges a legislative pathway It makes great sense, because as they the gentleman from New York (Mr. that currently exists for regional do- are investing and expanding their busi- MEEKS) that the House suspend the mestic exchanges and foreign ex- nesses, it creates jobs for Americans. rules and pass the bill, H.R. 2868, as changes to offer a marketplace for When you look at the services, the fi- amended. small cap companies. By allowing the nancial services in particular, that is The question was taken; and (two- national exchange to establish this new where the jobs are being created, that thirds being in the affirmative) the tier, it will grant small cap companies is where we are the most competitive, rules were suspended and the bill, as a new alternative to London’s AIM and that is where we have got to stay amended, was passed. market and to other marketplaces that and keep our competitive edge. It A motion to reconsider was laid on may be less regulated and less trans- makes great sense for us to make sure the table. parent. that tomorrow continues to be the f This legislation represents sound pol- great day for our financial services in- JOSHUA OMVIG VETERANS icy. It puts all of our domestic ex- dustry, because it is the key to the eco- SUICIDE PREVENTION ACT changes on equal footing and removes a nomic security, as well as to the jobs of roadblock to progress. In addition, the tomorrow for many of our young peo- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to bill represents an important approach ple. suspend the rules and concur in the to addressing American competitive- Mr. Speaker, I urge all of my col- Senate amendment to the bill (H.R. ness. It grants the flexibility to de- leagues to vote for this bill. It makes 327) to amend title 38, United States velop new offerings without creating a great sense, and it helps us maintain Code, to direct the Secretary of Vet- regulatory race to the bottom. These the competitive edge and helps us erans Affairs to develop and implement new tiers would be subject to State se- maintain being the financial capital of a comprehensive program designed to curity regulations, and any proposed the world. reduce the incidence of suicide among new listing will be subject to oversight Mrs. MALONEY of New York. Mr. Speaker, veterans. and approval from the SEC. Addition- I rise today in support of H.R. 2868, bipartisan The Clerk read the title of the bill. ally, investor protections are upheld. legislation that would enhance the competitive- The text of the Senate amendment is As public companies, small cap compa- ness of U.S. capital markets by allowing ex- as follows: nies seeking to list on a developmental changes to establish developmental tiers to Strike out all after the enacting clause and tier will be required to fully comply expand listing opportunities in the U.S. for insert: with U.S. securities laws. smaller companies. SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. Let me just say in closing, Mr. H.R. 2868 would remove the barrier to cre- This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Joshua Omvig Speaker, I want to thank Mr. MEEKS. ating developmental listing tiers on several of Veterans Suicide Prevention Act’’. We here in Congress, regardless of our the major exchanges in the U.S. by amending SEC. 2. SENSE OF CONGRESS. party affiliation or where we are from, Section 18 of the National Securities Markets It is the sense of Congress that— (1) suicide among veterans suffering from know that this country is the engine of Improvement Act (NSMIA). Under the bill, all post-traumatic stress disorder (in this section re- the world, and we want to keep it such. securities listed on a developmental tier would ferred to as ‘‘PTSD’’) is a serious problem; and We understand that financial markets, be subject to Securities and Exchange Com- (2) the Secretary of Veterans Affairs should in particular the securities industry, is mission (SEC) oversight and state blue-sky take into consideration the special needs of vet- a vital component of our national econ- regulations in an effort to uphold investor pro- erans suffering from PTSD and the special omy. tections. needs of elderly veterans who are at high risk And it is not just about Wall Street. Right now, the inability to develop an addi- for depression and experience high rates of sui- As mentioned, many of us, whether you tional, developmental tier can be a significant cide in developing and implementing the com- prehensive program under this Act. are from Queens, Brooklyn or Staten impediment to an exchange’s ability to com- SEC. 3. COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM FOR SUICIDE Island, many of our constituents ben- pete in the global marketplace. These barriers PREVENTION AMONG VETERANS. efit from a vibrant financial service in- make our markets less competitive for small (a) IN GENERAL.— dustry. Much of that tax revenue dis- cap listings and can drive companies to list (1) COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM FOR SUICIDE proportionately in New York City goes outside the United States. PREVENTION AMONG VETERANS.—Chapter 17 of

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I’m designed to reduce the incidence of suicide ‘‘(B) identifying signs and symptoms of men- pleased the Senate also made it a priority to among veterans incorporating the components tal illness; and described in this section. ‘‘(C) encouraging veterans to seek assistance act on this important legislation. I believe the ‘‘(b) STAFF EDUCATION.—In carrying out the for mental illness. bill shows a clear compromise in our efforts to comprehensive program under this section, the ‘‘(j) PEER SUPPORT COUNSELING PROGRAM.— provide help to those in need. Secretary shall provide for mandatory training (1) In carrying out the comprehensive program, One of the most pressing issues facing our for appropriate staff and contractors (including the Secretary may establish and carry out a men and women is mental health care. I be- all medical personnel) of the Department who peer support counseling program, under which lieve that if we send our men and women off interact with veterans. This training shall cover veterans shall be permitted to volunteer as peer to war, we must, as a nation, do all we can information appropriate to the duties being per- counselors— to address their health care needs when they formed by such staff and contractors. The train- ‘‘(A) to assist other veterans with issues re- ing shall include information on— lated to mental health and readjustment; and return. We cannot ask them to fight and then ‘‘(1) recognizing risk factors for suicide; ‘‘(B) to conduct outreach to veterans and the forget them when they return from battle. Vet- ‘‘(2) proper protocols for responding to crisis families of veterans. erans suffer a higher risk of suicide than the situations involving veterans who may be at ‘‘(2) In carrying out the peer support coun- general population. The stress of combat, high risk for suicide; and seling program under this subsection, the Sec- combined with the stigma that exists for retary shall provide adequate training for peer ‘‘(3) best practices for suicide prevention. servicemembers and veterans seeking mental ‘‘(c) HEALTH ASSESSMENTS OF VETERANS.—In counselors. ‘‘(k) OTHER COMPONENTS.—In carrying out health care services can have disastrous con- carrying out the comprehensive program, the sequences. Secretary shall direct that medical staff offer the comprehensive program, the Secretary may mental health in their overall health assessment provide for other actions to reduce the incidence We must do everything possible to improve when veterans seek medical care at a Depart- of suicide among veterans that the Secretary the VA’s mental health services, and its ability ment medical facility (including a center estab- considers appropriate.’’. to detect, and help, those veterans most at (2) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sec- lished under section 1712A of this title) and risk. H.R. 327 will provide the important tools tions at the beginning of such chapter is amend- make referrals, at the request of the veteran ed by adding at the end the following new item: to assist the VA in strengthening suicide pre- concerned, to appropriate counseling and treat- ‘‘1720F. Comprehensive program for suicide pre- vention, education, and awareness programs ment programs for veterans who show signs or within the VA by mandating a comprehensive symptoms of mental health problems. vention among veterans.’’. (b) REPORT TO CONGRESS.— program for suicide prevention among vet- ‘‘(d) DESIGNATION OF SUICIDE PREVENTION (1) REPORT REQUIRED.—Not later than 90 days COUNSELORS.—In carrying out the comprehen- erans. after the date of the enactment of this Act, the sive program, the Secretary shall designate a I thank my colleague Mr. BOSWELL for intro- Secretary of Veterans Affairs shall submit to suicide prevention counselor at each Depart- ducing this bill, and I thank my colleagues for Congress a report on the comprehensive program ment medical facility other than centers estab- their support. under section 1720F of title 38, United States lished under section 1712A of this title. Each Code, as added by subsection (a). Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he counselor shall work with local emergency (2) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—The report shall may consume to the gentleman from rooms, police departments, mental health orga- contain the following: Iowa (Mr. BOSWELL). nizations, and veterans service organizations to (A) Information on the status of the imple- Mr. BOSWELL. I thank the chairman engage in outreach to veterans and improve the mentation of such program. for yielding. coordination of mental health care to veterans. (B) Information on the time line and costs for Mr. Speaker, this is a very important ‘‘(e) BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH.—In carrying complete implementation of the program within out the comprehensive program, the Secretary two years. moment for our veterans as we think of shall provide for research on best practices for (C) A plan for additional programs and activi- their service to our country. Of course, suicide prevention among veterans. Research ties designed to reduce the occurrence of suicide we all wouldn’t be here, I believe, I shall be conducted under this subsection in con- among veterans. think we would agree with that, if it sultation with the heads of the following enti- (D) Recommendations for further legislation wasn’t for our veterans, who have been ties: or administrative action that the Secretary con- willing to put it on the line. ‘‘(1) The Department of Health and Human siders appropriate to improve suicide prevention Mr. Speaker, as Chairman FILNER has Services. programs within the Department of Veterans Af- ‘‘(2) The National Institute of Mental Health. fairs. spoken here, this legislation came up after a very tragic thing. Joshua ‘‘(3) The Substance Abuse and Mental Health The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Services Administration. ant to the rule, the gentleman from Omvig, returning after an 11-month ‘‘(4) The Centers for Disease Control and Pre- tour, a good young fellow, a member of California (Mr. FILNER) and the gen- vention. the Grundy Center Volunteer Fire De- OOZMAN ‘‘(f) SEXUAL TRAUMA RESEARCH.—In carrying tleman from Arkansas (Mr. B ) each will control 20 minutes. partment, the Grundy Center Police out the comprehensive program, the Secretary Reserves, he was concerned about the shall provide for research on mental health care The Chair recognizes the gentleman for veterans who have experienced sexual trau- from California. safety of others, but because of the sit- ma while in military service. The research de- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield uation, he took his life. sign shall include consideration of veterans of a myself 5 minutes. I can’t help but be thoughtful of reserve component. Mr. Speaker, before I introduce the Ellen, his mother. ‘‘(g) 24-HOUR MENTAL HEALTH CARE.—In car- author of the legislation, I just want to b 1230 rying out the comprehensive program, the Sec- say in introduction, unfortunately, sui- retary shall provide for mental health care cide prevention has become a major She would like to have had more availability to veterans on a 24-hour basis. part of our responsibilities to both ac- training. She knew there was a prob- ‘‘(h) HOTLINE.—In carrying out the com- lem, and so did his dad. She was with prehensive program, the Secretary may provide tive duty and our veterans. It is a terrible statistic, Mr. Speaker, Josh when he went out to his pickup for a toll-free hotline for veterans to be staffed truck that day to go to work to try to by appropriately trained mental health per- but as many Vietnam veterans have sonnel and available at all times. now committed suicide as died in the talk to him, to try to help. And he took ‘‘(i) OUTREACH AND EDUCATION FOR VETERANS original war. That is over 58,000. We his life right in her presence. AND FAMILIES.—In carrying out the comprehen- have to do as a Nation a better job. The Well, they could have just kind of sive program, the Secretary shall provide for Army just announced recently that the backed off in their great grief and sor- outreach to and education for veterans and the suicide rate among active duty and re- row and done nothing, but we reached families of veterans, with special emphasis on cently discharged has now reached out to them and they reached back. providing information to veterans of Operation Vietnam proportions. So we have to do They want to participate in doing Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom something for others. And so out of and the families of such veterans. Education to a far better job and we intend to do promote mental health shall include information that. that came what is now known as H.R. designed to— The author of the original legisla- 327. It is pretty simple: Improve early ‘‘(1) remove the stigma associated with mental tion, Mr. BOSWELL from Iowa, saw this detection for incidence of suicide illness; very clearly and introduced this bill. among veterans, provide those veterans

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And it also were referred to a VA suicide preven- tention, and rightly so. underscores the importance for further tion coordinator, and there were 56 res- As a member of the House Veterans research, peer counseling, family edu- cues. Affairs’ Committee, we are seeing more cation and involvement, and education Mr. Speaker, H.R. 327, as amended, is servicemembers returning home with for all staff at the Veterans Adminis- important legislation that responds to these types of stress disorders. If not tration. There is an urgent need for the need to strengthen suicide preven- properly treated, those suffering from this bill to pass. tion, education and awareness pro- PTSD may turn to drugs or alcohol to You have heard the report that Mr. grams within the VA. I urge my col- cope. Some may even take their life. FILNER gave us. The statistics are as- leagues to support H.R. 327, as amend- That is why the Joshua Omvig Sui- tounding. Stress disorder has jumped ed. cide Prevention Act is such an impor- like 70 percent. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of tant piece of legislation. It ensures Also, I want to thank our two Iowa my time. when a veteran is having trouble with Senators, Senator HARKIN and Senator Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 any mental illness they have a place to GRASSLEY, for their support; and I es- minutes to the gentleman from Illinois turn. It ensures that at each VA med- pecially want to thank Randy and (Mr. HARE). ical facility there is a designated sui- Ellen Omvig, the mom and dad of Josh- Mr. HARE. Mr. Speaker, I rise today cide prevention counselor who will en- ua. They have suffered a lot over this, in strong support of H.R. 327, the Josh- gage in community outreach to vet- as we all would. But at the same time, ua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention erans and improve the coordination of they found the courage and strength to Act. mental health services. want to help others and want to reach I would like to express my heartfelt The bill also makes available mental out. They want to do anything they appreciation to the family of Joshua, health care 24 hours a day, 7 days a can possibly do to prevent this from both for their tireless efforts to pass week. There is also a toll-free hotline happening to another individual and this legislation and for their son’s for veterans staffed by appropriate another family. brave service to our Nation. mental health personnel. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, H.R. 327 It is almost with relief for me, Mr. Too many soldiers are returning from provides a necessary service to our Na- Speaker, that we are passing this today the battlefield with hidden injuries. tion’s veterans, and I would urge all of and moving it on because we know According to the Department of De- fense, 60,000 troops have been diagnosed my colleagues to support this measure. there are hundreds of other veterans Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 with posttraumatic stress disorder or out there who need help, and this ought minutes to the gentlewoman from Ne- to set that in motion. There is no traumatic brain injuries. Sadly, only a vada (Ms. BERKLEY). doubt there is more we can do, but this small number of our veterans receive Ms. BERKLEY. I thank the chairman is a good beginning. With that, I would or seek the help that they need. of the VA Committee for yielding me like to yield back and let other Mem- H.R. 327 strengthens cooperation be- this time. bers speak to this very important piece tween the Departments of Defense and I rise in strong support of H.R. 327, of legislation. Veterans Affairs, it creates a com- the Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield prehensive program to screen veterans Prevention Act. I listened to what Mr. myself such time as I may consume. for mental health and suicide risk fac- BOSWELL had to say. He is the prime Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. tors, and increases training for suicide sponsor of the bill. I heard him in com- 327, the Joshua Omvig Veterans Sui- prevention. mittee and I heard him again on the cide Prevention Act as amended by the This bill is the first step in ensuring floor, and I appreciate so much the fact Senate. I also want to thank Mr. BOS- that we treat the psychological wounds that he has brought this to Congress’ WELL for his hard work in bringing this of our troops by improving mental attention. And a special thank you to forward. health coordination and our outreach Joshua’s family and his parents. I am H.R. 327 was originally passed by the to veterans. I urge all of my colleagues not sure if my child had committed House unanimously in March. The leg- to join me in voting for H.R. 327. suicide after his service in Iraq that I islation was slightly modified by the Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 would have the strength to not only go Senate to ensure that referrals for minutes to the gentlewoman from on as they have, but to try to bring mental health counseling and treat- Florida (Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE). PTSD to the attention of the American ment considered the request of the vet- Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Flor- people and actually do something eran concerned. ida. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to ex- about it. Preventing suicide among our vet- press my overwhelming support for I want to share why this is important erans is a top priority of this Congress H.R. 327. This bill addresses a glaring to me and why I am supporting this and the Nation. The Veterans Health need for mental health support at the bill. More than 1,600 Nevada veterans Administration estimates there are Department of Veterans Affairs. have returned from serving in Iraq and 1,000 suicides per year among veterans Medical personnel easily identify and Afghanistan. Many of these brave men receiving VA health care, and as many treat physical injuries related to com- and women suffer from PTSD. Nation- as 5,000 per year among all living vet- bat. However, more difficult to identify ally, one in five veterans returning erans. These are alarming statistics. are those brave men and women that from Iraq and Afghanistan are suf- H.R. 327, as amended, establishes re- bear the mental scars of war. fering from PTSD; 35 percent have been quirements for a multifaceted VA sui- Posttraumatic stress disorder is a very diagnosed with some sort of mental cide prevention plan that strengthens real and potentially deadly condition if disorder. It is vital that our veterans early detection measures, staff edu- not properly treated. receive the help they need to deal with cation initiatives, and counseling and The reality is we as a Nation ask a this condition. treatment assistance to reach out and great deal of the men and women who A few years ago a constituent of help at-risk veterans to prevent sui- serve in our Armed Forces. They deal mine, Lance Corporal Justin Bailey, re- cides among those who have so bravely with extreme conditions, heavy body turned from Iraq with some physical served our Nation. armor and separation from their fami- injuries as well as a diagnosis of PTSD. VA has already begun to implement a lies. In addition, these soldiers are con- He struggled with addiction to legal national suicide prevention lifeline as stantly looking over their shoulders prescription and illegal drugs. After required by this legislation. The hot- not knowing when or where the next consultation with his parents, he line became operational in July of this attack or IED will come from. Many checked himself into the West L.A. VA year. Veterans experiencing thoughts times, they witness firsthand the facility where he was given five addi- of suicide can call 1–800–273–TALK deaths of those they serve beside. tional prescription drugs, including

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This devastating loss of life are at risk, we will alleviate some of quently the last people to know could have been and should have been these hardships. they’ve got a problem, and that’s why prevented. This is a systemic problem I urge my colleagues to support this this bill is so important, so that people in our VA system, and that’s why this legislation because of the critical serv- coming back and veterans who are suf- issue needs immediate attention. ice it will provide. Although we often fering from PTSD get the resources, One other quick story, if you can call have bitter debates in this House and the early screening and the early pre- it a story. About a month ago I called are deeply divided over issues like the vention and intervention necessary to a grandmother in Pahrump, Nevada. It war in Iraq, there is one issue that we make a difference in their lives and to is a small town outside of Las Vegas. all agree on and has the potential to save the next Joshua Omvig who faces Her grandson lived with her. He came unite us and this Nation, and that is this struggle without the necessary re- home from his first tour of duty in the care for our veterans. No one in sources and support. Iraq, and he was messed up mentally. this body questions the incredible sac- I’m proud to be part of this over- He was suffering from PTSD. It was ap- rifice each of the veterans has made on whelming bipartisan effort in the parent to anybody who spoke to him. behalf of the United States. And no one House of Representatives to take care He didn’t want to go back. He felt he questions the responsibility that we of our wounded veterans, our aging vet- couldn’t handle it. He was emotionally have in Congress to provide them with erans, and our new veterans coming and physically drained, and he begged the resources and the help necessary to back from Iraq and Afghanistan. not to go back. live healthy and prosperous lives. You’ve heard the statistics about the So the military’s response was they With this legislation, the 110th Con- overwhelming nature of this problem gave him Prozac because he was de- gress will again demonstrate its com- among current combat veterans. That’s pressed and they sent him back to the mitment on behalf of our veterans. why this bill is so important, and I ask front lines in Iraq. The day he got back Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I con- my colleagues to join me today. to Iraq, he blew his brains out. That is tinue to reserve the balance of my I rise to speak in support of H.R. 327, the Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention a very difficult thing to come to grips time. with if you are the grandmother of a Mr. FILNER. Other Members from Act. I am proud to be an original cosponsor of this crucial legislation, introduced by my friend grandson who begged you not to let the State of Iowa want to express sup- and colleague from Iowa, Congressman BOS- him go back to Iraq. port for the Iowa family that helped in- WELL, and I am very pleased that the Senate We have problems with PTSD. It is spire this legislation. I would yield 2 has acted and that the House is again passing imperative that we provide adequate minutes to the gentleman from Iowa mental health services for those who this bill today. (Mr. BRALEY). Named in honor of 22–year-old Joshua have and are currently sacrificing for (Mr. BRALEY of Iowa asked and was Omvig, an Army Reservist from Iowa who our great Nation. This bill takes a step given permission to revise and extend tragically took his own life after serving an 11– in the right direction in providing our his remarks.) month tour of duty in Iraq, this legislation is an veterans with the health care they b 1245 essential and overdue step in ensuring ade- have earned. quate mental health care for our troops who Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I re- Mr. BRALEY of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I return home from serving in combat zones. serve the balance of my time. thank the gentleman for the oppor- The need for this legislation could not be more Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 tunity to address this very important urgent, as more and more soldiers are return- minutes to Mr. WALZ of Minnesota. issue, and I want to congratulate and ing home from Iraq and Afghanistan suffering Mr. WALZ of Minnesota. Mr. Speak- thank my colleague and friend, Con- from PTSD, TBI, and other combat-related er, I thank Chairman FILNER for his gressman BOSWELL, for his persistence in seeing this bill to its conclusion and, mental health problems. strong support of this piece of legisla- This bill is very near to my heart, as I know again, thank the ranking member for tion and to all members of the com- Joshua’s parents, Randy and Ellen Omvig, the bipartisan support for this bill. mittee. Mr. BOOZMAN has been a strong very well. It is my hope that the passage of One of the most moving experiences supporter of our veterans, and I appre- this bill in the House today means that the I’ve had in this body is standing on the ciate the support for this piece of legis- tragic death of their son will not be in vain. floor when we first spoke about this lation. I would like to thank Congressman BOSWELL Mr. BOSWELL so clearly illustrated bill and heard overwhelming support for his leadership on this bill, and the Omvigs the need for this piece of legislation. I and great personal testimony from peo- for their tremendous advocacy and commit- urge my colleagues to stand in support ple on both sides of the aisle. ment. I urge all of my colleagues to vote in of this compromise that has come back I want to put a human face on the favor of this bill today, and I urge President from the Senate, and thank Senator bill we are talking about. This is Josh- Bush to swiftly sign this bill into law so that we HARKIN for moving it towards us. ua Omvig, and these are his parents, can give all of our returning veterans—who As I spoke on this piece of legislation Randy and Ellen Omvig. I’ve known have sacrificed so much for our country—the in March, the numbers show that vet- Randy and Ellen for almost 20 years. mental health care and treatment that they de- erans’ suicide and mental health issues They’re warm, caring, decent Iowans serve. are urgent issues that require Con- who loved their son and who are with Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I would gress’ immediate attention. Although us here in spirit as this bill makes its like to yield 2 minutes to another gen- veterans make up 10 percent of our final journey through Congress on its tleman from Iowa (Mr. LOEBSACK) to population, one in five people who com- way to the White House. add his support. mits suicide in the United States is a Joshua was a brave young man who Mr. LOEBSACK. Thank you, Chair- veteran. served in a military police unit in Dav- man FILNER, and thank you, Congress- A full 35 percent of our veterans re- enport, Iowa, which is in the First Dis- man BOSWELL, Congressman BRALEY, turning from Iraq are seeking coun- trict that I happen to represent, and and Congressman BOOZMAN, for your bi- seling for mental health issues within Joshua’s face has become a national partisan support on this bill. the first year. PTSD is fast becoming a face for the issue and the crisis that I rise today in strong support of H.R. signature injury of the wars in Iraq and brings us here today. 327, the Joshua Omvig Suicide Preven- Afghanistan, and the Veterans’ Affairs People who deal with post-traumatic tion Act. Committee has seen in countless hear- stress disorder, especially PTSD in- This bill was one of the very first ings that the need to expand care is volving veterans, will tell you this is bills that I cosponsored as a new Mem- there. the hidden combat wound. When these ber of Congress, and I did so because I

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Mr. Speaker, I rise in The incidence of suicide among our erans. support of H.R. 327, the Joshua Omvig Vet- Nation’s veterans is indeed staggering. I urge my colleagues to support H.R. erans Suicide Prevention Act. In fact, it has reached the highest rate 327. Mr. Speaker, the measures in this bill are in 28 years, and we’ve already heard Mr. LATHAM. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong designed to reduce the alarming incidence of about Joshua Omvig, himself one of support of the Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide suicides among our vets. According to a re- Iowa’s own. Prevention Act. I first want to thank my friend cent study conducted by Portland State Uni- By directing the VA to implement and colleague LEONARD BOSWELL for his serv- versity, male U.S. military veterans are twice screening, counseling, and other men- ice to our Nation, and his efforts to bring this as likely to commit suicide as men who tal health services for returning vet- legislation forward on behalf of Iowa veterans. haven’t served in the armed forces. The report erans, this legislation will reach those I was pleased to be an original cosponsor of is a painful reminder of why we must adopt who are most in need of our help. this legislation when it was introduced. the measures outlined in this bill to assist our I urge the passage of this legislation, The bill contains many important provisions military personnel returning from Afghanistan and I urge the President to quickly to ensure that the VA health system is better and Iraq. sign it into law so that these vital equipped to identify soldiers at risk for suicide The Portland State study followed 320,000 mental health services can reach our and respond with appropriate counseling and men over age 18 for 12 years collecting data Nation’s veterans. care. The bill also mobilizes federal govern- on those who participated in the National Mr. FILNER. We have no further ment agencies to pool their expertise on this Health Interview Survey. The researchers speakers except my closing, if the gen- issue in order to identify the best strategies for found that men who had served in the military tleman would like to close. suicide prevention. at some time between 1917 and 1994 were Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, again, I The bill is named in honor of SPC Joshua twice as likely to die from suicide than men in want to thank Congressman BOSWELL Omvig, who served his country as part of the the general population. In addition, veterans for his hard work in bringing this for- Army Reserve 339th Military Police Company who committed suicide were more likely to be ward, Chairman FILNER, Ranking Mem- from Davenport, IA. A little over a year after older, white, better educated, and married. But ber BUYER, Mr. MICHAUD, Mr. MILLER, his return from a tour in Iraq, Joshua Omvig the report offered few clear indicators for the all of them for reaching a compromise took his own life on December 22, 2005. high suicide rates. That in part is the purpose with the Senate as we go forward on While his death was tragic, we are grateful for of this legislation—to locate the root cause of this. his service to our Nation. the high suicide rates and to reverse the situa- I think this is a great example that Our soldiers encounter enormous stress and tion. out of a terrible tragedy something mental health challenges in the course of their There are approximately 25 million veterans good can happen, and we’ve heard the duties. We have a crucial obligation to do all in the United States, and 5 million veterans story of this young guy, and because of we can to ensure that our veterans are given who receive care within the Veteran’s Health his tragedy, because of that family’s proper care and to prevent such tragedies Administration (VHA). Based on CDC data, tragedy, hopefully in putting programs from occurring. VHA mental health officials estimate 1000 sui- like this in place we will help other No one has done more to secure our Na- cides per year among veterans receiving care families, other individuals, other serv- tion’s freedom than our veterans and military with VHA and as many as 5000 per year ice men not go through this and pre- personnel. Their sacrifice and service must be among all living veterans. vent future tragedies. matched with greater commitment to them on Representative BOSWELL’S bill is a bipartisan So, again, I urge my colleagues to our part. With that, I urge my colleagues to effort to get at the root of this troubling trend vote ‘‘yes’’ and urge the President to support H.R. 327. and to find solutions. sign this so that we can go forward Mr. EMANUEL. Mr. Speaker, today I rise in This bill requires the Veterans Administra- completely. strong support of H.R. 327, the Joshua Omvig tion to consider the special needs of veterans Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance Veterans Suicide Prevention Act. As our sol- who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder of my time. diers continue to defend our country’s freedom and mandates the development and imple- GENERAL LEAVE overseas, it is imperative that we at home mentation of a comprehensive program to re- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask continue to recognize their sacrifice by pro- duce the incidence of suicide among all vet- unanimous consent that all Members viding them with the support and services that erans. may have 5 legislative days in which to they have earned. The bill accomplishes this by requiring that revise and extend their remarks and in- H.R. 327 is named after an Iraq veteran appropriate Veterans Administration staff are clude extraneous material on H.R. 327, Joshua Omvig, a 22-year-old Army Reservist able to recognize risk factors for suicide and as amended. who served honorably in Iraq, but returned are aware of the proper protocols and best The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there home unable to cope with his memories of the practices for responding to crisis situations in- objection to the request of the gen- war. Only months after his return from Iraq, he volving veterans who may be at high risk. tleman from California? committed suicide. The legislation also requires the designation There was no objection. The story of Joshua Omvig is not an iso- of a suicide prevention counselor at each de- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I want to lated occurrence. In 2004, a study conducted partment medical facility and authorizes the thank Mr. BOSWELL for his ongoing by the New England Study of Medicine con- availability of 24-hour mental health care; a support. cluded that over 15 percent of veterans return- hotline, staffed with trained mental health per- As a Nation, in the name of Joshua ing from a year in Iraq met screening criteria sonnel; and expanded outreach and education Omvig and for his family and for all for major depression, generalized anxiety, or services for veterans and their families. the families who have suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. Today, our sol- We must put an end to this tragedy affecting suicide, we have got to do a better job diers are serving much longer than a single the many vulnerable men and women who as a Nation. We have just got to do a year and are returning from combat with se- have worn our country’s uniform and who better job. We know what will happen vere psychological trauma. serve this country proudly today. I believe this if we fail. H.R. 327 implements a comprehensive pro- legislation is an important step in that direc- Vietnam veterans have paid a heavy gram that takes into consideration the special tion, and I am happy to support it. price for our refusal to look at mental needs of veterans who are at high risk of de- Mr. SHULER. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in health as important as physical health, pression and experience high rates of suicide. support of H.R. 327, the Joshua Omvig Vet- for our refusal to look into the souls of By directing and training the staff of Veterans erans Suicide Prevention Act, which will ex- our young veterans and recognize that Affairs in the proper screening, monitoring, pand suicide-prevention services to our na- they are crying out for help. and tracking of veterans, this legislation will tion’s veterans. So we have to get this right, and this lead to earlier diagnosis for those who may be Joshua Omvig was an Army Reservist who is a good step in doing it. prone to suicide. committed suicide in 2005 after serving his

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I didn’t know he had veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress providing dental treatment for military this incredible career in the United disorder (PTSD) is a serious and pressing service dogs. States Army in the dental corps, and I problem facing our veterans’ community. Our (3) Captain Norwood provided dental, emer- will let you go through that, but it was Nation’s men and women returning from serv- gency medical, and surgical care for United a very incredible story of his devotion ice abroad deserve the highest quality care States personnel, Vietnamese civilians, and to our Nation. prisoners-of-war. We saw his heart and soul here. He that this Nation can provide, including access (4) Dr. Norwood provided military dental to top quality mental health programs. care at Fort Gordon, Georgia, following his always wanted to take care of vet- H.R. 327 directs the Secretary of Veterans service in Vietnam, then provided private- erans, and I’m pleased to support your Affairs to take a comprehensive approach to practice dental care for the next 25 years for motion to name the Department of combating the negative long-term effects of patients in the greater Augusta, Georgia, Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Au- PTSD. area, including care for military personnel, gusta, Georgia, as the Charlie Norwood Specifically, this Act requires the Secretary retirees, and dependents under Department Department of Veterans Affairs Med- of Veterans Affairs to develop a program that of Defense programs and for low-income pa- ical Center. tients under Georgia Medicaid. Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to includes screening for suicide risk factors for (5) Congressman Norwood, upon being veterans receiving medical care at all Depart- sworn into the United States House of Rep- offer my support of H.R. 1808, a bill to name ment facilities, referral services for at-risk vet- resentatives in 1995, pursued the advance- the VA Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia, erans for counseling and treatment, designa- ment of health and dental care for active after our former colleague, Charlie Norwood. tion of a suicide prevention counselor at each duty and retired military personnel and de- Charlie Norwood served as a Captain in the Department facility, a 24-hour veterans’ mental pendents, and for veterans, through his pub- United States Army from 1967 to 1969, begin- health care availability, peer support coun- lic advocacy for strengthened Federal sup- ning with an assignment to the U.S. Army seling, and mental health counseling program port for military and veterans’ health care Dental Corps at Sandia Army Base in Albu- programs and facilities. querque, New Mexico. In 1968 he was trans- for veterans who have experienced sexual (6) Congressman Norwood co-authored and trauma while in military service. helped pass into law the Keep our Promises ferred to the Medical Battalion of the 173rd I ask my colleagues to join me in supporting to America’s Military Retirees Act, which Airborne Brigade in Vietnam and served a this measure to improve suicide-prevention restored lifetime healthcare benefits to vet- combat tour at Quin Yon, An Khe, and LZ programs through the Department of Veterans erans who are military retirees through the English at Bon Son. Affairs. I commend the House and Senate creation of the Department of Defense During his tour, he participated in experi- Veterans’ Affairs Committee for their hard TRICARE for Life Program. mental military dental practices that are now work on this bill. (7) Congressman Norwood supported and standard procedure for the armed forces. Cap- helped pass into law the Retired Pay Res- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield tain Norwood was one of the first participants toration Act providing relief from the con- in the Army’s outreach program that delivered back the balance of my time. current receipt rule penalizing disabled vet- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The erans who were also military retirees. dentists to forward fire bases in lieu of trans- question is on the motion offered by (8) Throughout his congressional service ferring patients to rear treatment areas. He the gentleman from California (Mr. from 1995 to 2007, Congressman Norwood re- provided some of the first field-based dental FILNER) that the House suspend the peatedly defeated attempts to reduce Fed- treatment of military guard dogs, and assisted rules and concur in the Senate amend- eral support for the Department of Veterans in non-dental trauma care in Mobile Army Sur- ment to the bill, H.R. 327. Affairs Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia, gical Hospitals. and succeeded in maintaining and increasing The question was taken. In recognition of his service under combat Federal funding for the center. conditions, he was awarded the Combat Med- The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the (9) Congressman Norwood maintained a life opinion of the Chair, two-thirds being membership in the American Legion, the ical Badge and two Bronze Stars. After Viet- in the affirmative, the ayes have it. Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the Military nam, Captain Norwood was assigned to the Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, on that I Order of the World Wars. Dental Corps at Fort Gordon, Georgia, where demand the yeas and nays. (10) Congressman Norwood’s role in pro- he served until his discharge in 1969. The yeas and nays were ordered. tecting and improving military and veteran’s He remained a member of The American The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- health care was recognized by the Associa- Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the tion of the United States Army through the ant to clause 8 of rule XX and the Military Order of the World Wars until his presentation of the Cocklin Award in 1998, death. H.R. 1808 would name the Department Chair’s prior announcement, further and through his induction into the Associa- proceedings on this motion will be tion’s Audie Murphy Society in 1999. of Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Augusta, postponed. SEC. 2. DESIGNATION OF CHARLIE NORWOOD DE- Georgia, as the ‘‘Charlie Norwood Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center’’. f PARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS MEDICAL CENTER. Naming a VA facility after this hero and CHARLIE NORWOOD DEPARTMENT (a) DESIGNATION.—The Department of Vet- strong veterans advocate is a proper honor for OF VETERANS AFFAIRS MED- erans Affairs Medical Center located at 1 an honorable soldier. ICAL CENTER Freedom Way in Augusta, Georgia, shall Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of after the date of the enactment of this Act Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to be known and designated as the ‘‘Charlie my time. suspend the rules and pass the bill Norwood Department of Veterans Affairs Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, H.R. (H.R. 1808) to designate the Depart- Medical Center’’. 1808, a bill to designate the VA Medical ment of Veterans Affairs Medical Cen- (b) REFERENCES.—Any reference in any Center in Augusta, Georgia, as the law, regulation, map, document, record, or ter in Augusta, Georgia, as the ‘‘Char- ‘‘Charlie Norwood Department of Vet- other paper of the United States to the med- erans Affairs Medical Center,’’ would lie Norwood Department of Veterans ical center referred to in subsection (a) shall Affairs Medical Center’’. be considered to be a reference to the Charlie honor one of our colleagues who was The Clerk read the title of the bill. Norwood Department of Veterans Affairs taken from us all too soon. The text of the bill is as follows: Medical Center. Charles ‘‘Charlie’’ Whitlow Norwood, Jr., was born on July 27, 1941. A Geor- H.R. 1808 The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- ant to the rule, the gentleman from gia native, Charlie Norwood attended Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- Georgia Southern University in resentatives of the United States of America in California (Mr. FILNER) and the gen- Congress assembled, tleman from Arkansas (Mr. BOOZMAN) Statesboro, Georgia, and Georgetown SECTION 1. FINDINGS. each will control 20 minutes. University in Washington, and was a Congress finds the following: The Chair recognizes the gentleman dentist prior to serving in the House of (1) Charlie Norwood volunteered for service from California. Representatives. in the United States Army Dental Corps in a Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield Charlie Norwood served as a captain time of war, providing dental and medical myself such time as I may consume. in the United States Army from 1967 to

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He said, No, I Brigade in Vietnam, and served a com- publican’s Republican at times; but I will, and that’s the way I feel. bat tour at Quin Yon, An Khe, and LZ can say this, if it meant doing some- People understood that about Charlie English at Bon Son. During his tour, he thing he believed in, he would oppose Norwood, that he was a fighter for participated in experimental military the Republican Party. them, he was a fighter for the cause, dental practices that are now standard We all remember the Norwood-Din- and he literally did mean it. If I can procedure for the Armed Forces. In rec- gell bill which Charlie championed help you, I am going to do what I can ognition of his service under combat that was part of the patients’ bill of for you. conditions, Norwood was awarded the rights, and that was a bill which was I see we are about out of time on my Combat Medical Badge and two Bronze half of the program here, but I want to Stars. largely not supported by the Repub- lican Party. And yet Charlie just state some facts for the RECORD about After his discharge in 1969, he re- Charlie. Mr. BOOZMAN has outlined a charged away and said we’re going to mained a member of the American Le- lot of the specifics of his military ca- do this because it’s the right thing. gion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and reer, but it is substantial. He was a And he earned the respect of both sides the Military Order of the World Wars fighter over and over again for the vet- of the aisle by handling this. until his death. erans. Again, he would be with the Re- Mr. Speaker, Charlie Norwood served I remember him relating a story to publican Party or with the Democrat with us as a Member of Congress from me when the President of the United Party if it was in the best interests of January 4, 1995, until his untimely States called him and said, Charlie, the veterans. That’s why it’s so good to death on February 13, 2007. During his what can I do to get you to back off have such strong bipartisan support for congressional career, Norwood worked this bill a little bit and give us some this legislation today. to pass a patients’ bill of rights aimed flexibility? And I believe he said, Mr. We want to say, Charlie, we love you. at giving people better access to health President, not a thing. But if you know Gloria, and all the family, we certainly care and greater ability to sue insur- Charlie and you know the President, love you as well and support you. It’s ers, and spent his life supporting the that conversation probably has been going to be a proud day when we get overall well-being of veterans. cleaned up a little bit. But the whole this building renamed. He was quick to protect TRICARE time you could see both of them kid- As a soldier, Charlie earned both the Com- benefits, and he cosponsored legisla- ding back and forth because that was bat Medical badge and two Bronze stars while tion to address military survivor ben- the nature of Charlie Norwood. he served in Vietnam. He helped develop the efit plan inequities and to improve I remember one time I used to rep- Dental Corps standard operating procedures military pay raises. He was a tireless of delivering dentists to forward-fire bases. He advocate for our men and women in resent Emanuel County, and because of reapportionment, Charlie became the dutifully served and provided dental, emer- uniform and for our Nation’s veterans. gency medical and surgical care for both U.S. This legislation has the support of Representative. I said, Charlie, now, you’re from Augusta. These folks are personnel as well as Vietnamese civilians and the State veteran service organiza- prisoners-of-war. As a Congressman, he co- tions, as well as the entire Georgia del- rural. I need to go up and introduce you. They’re not going to take to you authored and helped pass into law the Keep egation. In the Senate, a companion our Promises to America’s Military Retirees easily. We were going to meet about bill has been introduced, S. 1026, which Act and was also a key Member in passing 7:30 in the morning in a local res- has the cosponsorship of both of the the Retired Pay Restoration Act. Year after taurant, a little diner, the epitome of Georgia U.S. Senators. year, he defeated attempts to reduce Federal what you always see on TV. And I got Mr. Speaker, I support honoring this support for the Augusta VA Center and helped there just a few minutes late, and I distinguished American by naming the maintain and increase funding for the center. thought, oh, man, Charlie has been sur- VA facility in Augusta, Georgia, the He received the Cocklin Award from the Asso- rounded by these farmers for a while Charlie Norwood Department of Vet- ciation of the U.S. Army in 1998. erans Affairs Medical Center. To honor now and I’ve embarrassed him by com- Over the past few months, we have re- our deceased friend and colleague in ing late and they’re looking at this Au- ceived letters from several veterans organiza- this manner is a tribute to his love of gusta city slicker whom they’ve never tions in support of this legislation. Here is a Nation and his contributions to our met before. sample of what some of them had to say: military and veteran community and I walked in and it was like inter- ‘‘We support this bill as Congressman Nor- as a Member of Congress. rupting somebody else’s family re- wood spent his life supporting the overall well Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of union. Charlie was sitting at a table being of veterans’’—Georgia Department of my time. surrounded by farmers, surrounded by Veterans Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I reserve rural folks, while Charlie spun one ‘‘He was a member of the Augusta MOAA the balance of my time. yarn after another about what was chapter and he would attend meetings unan- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 wrong in Washington, DC. They loved nounced to make sure he stayed in touch with minutes to the gentleman from Geor- him, and I hardly even got a place at Georgia veterans. He was always quick to gia (Mr. KINGSTON). the table, sort of nodded my head and protect TRICARE benefits, and he co-spon- Mr. KINGSTON. I thank the gen- said, Charlie, you take it from here and sored legislation to fix the military Survivor tleman from Arkansas. I thank the said to my former constituents, ‘‘You Benefit plan inequities, and improving military gentleman from California for your guys are in very, very good hands.’’ pay raises’’—Georgia Military Officers Asso- support of this legislation and your ciation of America kind words about Charlie Norwood. I remember one commercial that ‘‘Designating the Augusta VA after Charlie This bill, Charlie would really ap- Charlie had, and I had been elected the Norwood is the most appropriate act for a prove of it because it has three things term before Charlie. So I had a little great Congressman and a grateful commu- that Charlie loved dearly. He loved vet- bit to say here and there and Charlie nity’’—The American Legion, Department of erans; he loved Augusta, Georgia; and had actually never been in elected of- Georgia (Note: He was a life member of the he loved medicine and doctors giving fice. Many of us had served in the Geor- Georgia chapter) medicine and taking care of patients. gia General Assembly together, and ‘‘Renaming the Department of VA in mem- Probably the only things he loved more Charlie ran an ad that said, I’m going ory of Congressman Norwood would be very were his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ; to do what I can for you. I’m going to fitting and greatly appreciated’’—Veterans of his wife, Gloria, and their family; and, try to do my best, but I’ll tell you this, Foreign Wars, Department of Georgia indeed, the United States of America. if you’re from the 10th District of Geor- ‘‘Speaking with the veterans in Augusta, you Charlie was a happy warrior. We all gia, I don’t care who you are, I’m going can tell that most of them do not want to for- know Charlie. And whether you agreed to do anything I can to help you. get the great things that he has done for all

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During this Congress and his service to the country know the many Veterans who received care time he served in Vietnam. when he was in the military and served through Charlie’s many efforts would like to He practiced experimental military so nobly and ably in Vietnam. say thank you. He often reminded us, ‘we are dental practice that’s now standard op- I rise in strong support and hope we in fact defending our nation’s future’ by show- erating military procedure for the get unanimous support for this bill at ing young people the ‘level of importance we Armed Forces. He was one of the first the appropriate time. place on military service’’’. dentists to operate in the active com- I have had the pleasure of working with Former Congressman Bob Beauprez: bat zone in Vietnam. many great men and women in my 22 years ‘‘Charlie epitomized the phrase ‘servant lead- In recognition for his service in Viet- in the House, and I can say with all honesty er’. He went about his work daily without nam, Charlie was awarded the Combat that Charlie Norwood was one of the best. I thought of himself, building a legacy, or at- Medical Badge and two Bronze Stars. knew Charlie well, both as an outspoken tracting notoriety. Headlines he did not seek, After Vietnam, Charlie was assigned to member of the Energy and Commerce Com- and even in his battle with the disease that fi- the dental corps at Fort Gordon, the mittee and a good friend. His devotion to peo- nally took him from us, sympathy was never Army base just outside of Augusta, and ple of the Tenth District of Georgia was unde- his objective. He could make a decision and from then on, Charlie, Gloria and his niable, as was his passion for improving this he could argue passionately for a cause, but family made their home in Augusta, country’s healthcare and the lives of its vet- he also was one of the most caring, forgiving, Georgia. erans. decent, humble Christian men I ever met.’’ In 1994, Charlie became the first Re- Charlie Norwood’s service to his country President Bush: ‘‘Charlie was a good friend publican to represent Georgia’s 10th began long before his election to the House of and a strong, spirited legislator who always Congressional District since recon- Representatives. Charlie volunteered to serve stuck to his principles, remembering that his struction. This landmark election gave in the United States Dental Corp during the duty was to represent the best interests of the us a leader who tirelessly fought for Vietnam War. Captain Norwood provided den- citizens of his district.’’ immigration reform, including the tal, emergency medical, and surgical care for From the New York Times obituaries: ‘‘A Clear Act to eliminate sanctuary cit- United States personnel, Vietnamese civilians, feisty conservative who railed against govern- ies, and the patients’ bill of rights. I and prisoners-of-war. The Dental Corp oper- ment bureaucracy, Mr. Norwood was part of will never forget that. I was practicing ating procedures that he helped develop while the Republican wave that took control of Con- medicine in Marietta, Georgia, when in combat conditions have now become stand- gress in 1994. Mr. Norwood prided himself on Charlie brought forth that bill about 10 ard. serving his northeast Georgia district, pro- years ago and did such a great job with Upon returning stateside, Charlie settled in moting his success in cutting through federal reining in managed care. He is always the Augusta area and set up a private dental regulations a decade ago to allow a con- for smaller, fiscally conservative gov- practice serving local residents as well as pro- stituent to bring home a stuffed polar bear the ernment. viding care for military personnel, retirees, and man had killed on a hunting trip in Canada.’’ During this time, Charlie never for- dependents under Department of Defense pro- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I reserve got his fellow veterans. He remained an grams and for low-income patients under the balance of my time. active member of the American Le- Georgia Medicaid. His work on behalf of vet- Mr. BOOZMAN, if you need more time, gion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and erans and military personnel continued we will be happy to yield to you. the Military Order of the World Wars. throughout his twelve years in the House of Mr. BOOZMAN. Thank you, Mr. And throughout the BRAC process, Representatives. Chairman. Charlie’s constituents in Augusta could Throughout his congressional service from Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the rest easy knowing that Charlie was 1995 to 2007, Congressman Norwood repeat- gentleman Georgia (Mr. GINGREY). there fighting for Fort Gordon and the edly defeated attempts to reduce Federal sup- Mr. GINGREY. I thank the gen- Augusta area Veterans Affairs Medical port for the Department of Veterans Affairs tleman for yielding. Center. Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia. I think it I thank Chairman FILNER and Rank- Charlie Norwood was a strong Amer- only appropriate that we gather here today to ing Member BUYER, and certainly my ican who spent his life fighting for his honor the memory of this great man by plac- colleague, the author of the bill, Con- country, both at home and abroad. For ing his name on the institution that he fought gressman KINGSTON from Savannah. this reason I can think of no one more so hard for. I cannot think of a more fitting trib- I want to tell the Congressman that fitting after which to name the Depart- ute to Congressman Charlie Norwood. there are no city slickers in Augusta, ment of Veterans Affairs Medical Cen- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, how Georgia. I am an Augusta native. There ter in Augusta. much time do we have? are probably not any in Savannah ei- I urge all my colleagues to remember The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. ther. Maybe they are all in the Atlanta the selfless sacrifice of Charlie Nor- CAPUANO). The gentleman from Arkan- area. wood to America, his deep love for our sas has 81⁄2 minutes, and the gentleman Mr. Speaker, I do rise today in strong Nation, by voting in favor of H.R. 1808. from California has 19 minutes. support of H.R. 1808 to designate De- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 partment of Veterans Affairs Medical minute to the gentleman from Texas minute to the gentleman from Georgia Center in Augusta, Georgia, my home- (Mr. BARTON). (Mr. PRICE). town, as the Charlie Norwood Depart- (Mr. BARTON of Texas asked and (Mr. PRICE of Georgia asked and was ment of Veterans Affairs Medical Cen- was given permission to revise and ex- given permission to revise and extend ter. tend his remarks.) his remarks.) I am proud to stand here today as an Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, Mr. PRICE of Georgia. I thank my original cosponsor of the bill, not just I rise in strong support of H.R. 1808. I colleague for yielding. I am so pleased because Charlie Norwood was a great am proud to be the first non-Georgian to join my colleagues in support of this American who loved his country and sponsor of the bill after the entire resolution. found any way he could to serve, but Georgia delegation. Mr. Speaker, Charlie Norwood, Con- also because I had the honor and privi- I knew Congressman Norwood very gressman Norwood, was a dear friend lege to serve with him, to personally well. He was one of my very best to me, and he was a friend to this body. know Charlie and to count him as one friends in the House. I can think of no It’s wonderful that we have this oppor- of my close friends. better tribute than to name the Vet- tunity to recognize and honor him here Charlie, as has already been said, I erans Affairs Center at One Freedom today and forever with the commemo- am just proud to repeat a lot of this, Way in Augusta the Charlie Norwood ration and renaming of this veterans but Charlie was a native son of Geor- Medical Center. facility. gia, growing up in Valdosta. He grad- Congressman Norwood was a strong Congressman Norwood spent his en- uated from Georgia Southern Univer- advocate for veterans. He was a vet- tire life helping others. After serving

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After returning from full go ahead. The great story about his side, indispensably. Vietnam, Charlie continued to serve in the him in the Army was he changed the In Congress, Charlie Norwood was a Army Dental Corps at Fort Gordon in Augusta, way they were doing business, moving passionate supporter of our military GA. When he was discharged in 1969, he dentists to forward-fire bases. His com- and our veterans, and he never forgot began his dental practice in Augusta. mander called him and said, I want a for whom he was to work in Wash- I have enormous respect for Charlie Nor- daily report of what you are doing ington, his constituents. His leadership wood. I knew Charlie when he was first elect- there that is out of the ordinary. Char- on veterans issues and a broader con- ed to Congress in 1994. Throughout his 12 lie said to him, Well, I have got a chair servative vision for America are deeply years in Congress, he was a tireless advocate here. You come down here and set your missed. Anyone who knew Charlie for veterans, for the district, and for the entire own butt on it and write your own re- knew that he was as tough as they State of Georgia. He championed the Patients’ port. I just don’t have time. The colo- come, and he always stood on principle. Bill of Rights, worked to reform health care for nel did come down, and they changed His legacy in the House of Represent- veterans, and fought to secure our borders. the entire way the Army did business atives will be one of integrity, vigor Charlie and I shared the love of outdoors, of because of Charlie’s ideas. and loyalty. It’s fitting that we memo- hunting, and fishing. When I was an active When he got involved shortly there- rialize his life with this tribute today. member of the Safari club, I used to come to after in the Georgia Dental Associa- Thank you, Charlie. Washington to lobby for hunters’ rights and tion, he did the same thing. He just Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield gun owners’ rights, and Charlie was always took charge and became president. He 11⁄2 minutes to the gentleman from very supportive and helpful. I’ve always ad- traveled all over the State of Georgia Georgia (Mr. BROUN). mired his unwavering commitment to his prin- fighting for important things for pa- Mr. BROUN of Georgia. I thank the ciples. Throughout Charlie’s illness, I prayed tients’ welfare. His campaign in 1994 gentleman for yielding. that God would heal him. However, it seems was a joy to watch, just a joy to watch, Mr. Speaker, Congressman Charlie that God had a different plan. His passing was yard signs everywhere and him moving Norwood was a man of integrity and a great loss to us all. as fast as he could from one house to conviction who made immeasurable I hope that dedicating this facility will be a the next, from one hand to the next. He contributions to this Nation. comfort to the Norwood family for all that they was just a remarkably good cam- I knew Charlie when he was first have been through. I have tremendous appre- paigner. elected to Congress in 1994. He was a ciation for Charlie’s wife, Gloria, for the un- Then he came here and he introduced tireless advocate for veterans, for this wavering support that she gave to Charlie. a very important bill. I didn’t agree district, and for the entire State of Without her help, he could not have accom- with him on the bill, but he didn’t slow Georgia. Charlie and I shared the love plished so many wonderful things and touched down at all. of hunting and fishing. When I was an so many people’s lives. The fact that the House and the Sen- active member of the safari club, I used Charlie truly cared about people. He gave a ate did not sign the patients’ bill of to come to Washington to lobby for lifetime of public service to the people of this rights did not mean it wasn’t impor- hunters’ rights and gun owners’ rights. nation. After giving so much to his country, it tant. The changes it brought in the re- Charlie was always very supportive and is only fitting that we honor Charlie today by lationships between HMOs and patients very helpful. naming the VA Medical Center in Augusta are there today because of the pressure I have enormous respect for his un- after him. of that legislation and will be there wavering commitment to his prin- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 forever. Charlie was a remarkable ciples. Throughout Charlie’s illness, I minute to the gentleman from Georgia human being and one whom I have prayed that God would heal him. His (Mr. DEAL). loved for a very long time and will passing was a great loss to us all. I Mr. DEAL of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I miss. hope that dedicating this facility will thank the gentleman for yielding. You Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 be a comfort to the Norwood family have already heard the accolades about minute to the gentleman from Georgia and for all that they have been Charlie’s service as a decorated dentist (Mr. WESTMORELAND). through. in the Vietnam era and in Vietnam, in Mr. WESTMORELAND. I want to I have tremendous appreciation for country. thank the gentleman for yielding. Charlie’s wife, Gloria, for the unwaver- I didn’t know Charlie until he came Mr. Speaker, it is a great honor that ing support that she gave to Charlie. to Congress, but he and I became very I stand up and ask for the support on Without her help he could not have ac- close friends. We worked together on the renaming of this veterans center in complished so many wonderful things the Energy and Commerce Committee. Augusta for Congressman Charlie Nor- and touched so many people’s lives. He was always dedicated to the things wood. Charlie gave a lifetime of public serv- that he thought was for the best, espe- I told Charlie one time, I said, Char- ice to the people of this Nation. After cially for our veterans, for those who lie, you are my foxhole buddy. And he giving so much to his country, it is serve their country and who had sac- said, What do you mean by that? I said, only fitting that we honor Charlie rificed for our country. Well, I know that you are going to today by naming this medical center He was always somebody that you keep my back covered and that you are after him. knew exactly where he stood, and he going to be with me if you tell me that Mr. Speaker, I rise today to join my fellow wasn’t always partisan in where he you are with me until I get out of the colleagues in strong support of H.R. 1808, To stood. He simply took positions based foxhole or until they drag our dead designate the Department of Veterans Affairs on what he thought was right. In the bodies out. Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia, as the words of Charlie Norwood, I would That’s the kind of guy he was. If he ‘‘Charlie Norwood Department of Veterans’’ thank the gentleman who introduced told you that he was with you, then he Affairs Medical Center.’’ this resolution, and, as Charlie would was with you. That’s the type of thing Congressman Charlie Norwood was a man say, ‘‘you done good.’’ that he exerted towards the veterans of of integrity and conviction, who made immeas- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield this country is that he was with the urable contributions to this nation, and I can’t 11⁄2 minutes to the gentleman from veterans. I don’t think there could be think of anything more appropriate than to Georgia (Mr. LINDER). any greater honor on that veterans name the Augusta VA Medical Center after Mr. LINDER. I thank the gentleman building in Augusta than Charlie Nor- Charlie. for yielding. wood’s name, to let the veterans know Before serving in the House of Representa- Mr. Speaker, I was a friend of Char- and understand that he has always tives, Charlie volunteered for the Army, serv- lie’s for over 30 years. We met in the been with them, that he went through

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I just think it’s a VA Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia as the Upon returning stateside, Charlie settled in great honor that this body has voted, ‘‘Charlie Norwood Department of Veterans Af- the Augusta area and set up a private dental and I hope will continue to vote, to fairs Medical Center’’ which would honor one practice serving local residents as well as pro- make that the Charlie Norwood Vet- of our colleagues and one of my close friends viding care for military personnel, retirees, and erans Administration Medical Center. who passed away this Congress. dependents under Department of Defense pro- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, in clos- Charlie Norwood was born on July 27, 1941 grams and for low-income patients under ing, again, we have all heard what a and attended both Georgia Southern Univer- Georgia Medicaid. His work on behalf of vet- great asset Charlie Norwood was to sity in Statesboro, Georgia and Georgetown erans and military personnel continued this body, not only in helping us as University in Washington, DC. I have a close throughout his twelve years in the House of Members, but in the many, many ways affinity to Charlie who was a dentist, like many Representatives. that he served his country. in my family, prior to serving in the House of Throughout his congressional service from He and his wife, Gloria, also served Representatives. 1995 to 2007, Congressman Norwood repeat- us in the way of helping junior Mem- Charlie Norwood served as a Captain in the edly defeated attempts to reduce Federal sup- bers’ wives as they came on board, my United States Army from 1967 to 1969. He port for the Department of Veterans Affairs wife, in particular. Again, we are very, began his Army career with an assignment to Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia. I think it very grateful to his service. I can’t the U.S. Army Dental Corps at Sandia Army only appropriate that we gather here today to think of a more fitting honor than the Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and in honor the memory of this great man by plac- honor of naming this building. 1968, was transferred to the Medical Battalion ing his name on the institution that he fought Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam. He so hard for. I cannot think of a more fitting trib- of my time. served a combat tour at Quin Yon, An Khe, ute to Congressman Charlie Norwood. GENERAL LEAVE and LZ English at Bon Son. During his tour of Mr. WILSON of South Carolina. Mr. Speak- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask duty, he participated in experimental military er, I wish to take this opportunity to remember unanimous consent that all Members dental practices that are now standard proce- a friend and colleague; Charlie Norwood, and have 5 legislative days in which to re- dure for the Armed Forces. In recognition of to support H.R. 1808, a bill to designate the vise and extend their remarks and in- his service under combat conditions, Norwood Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center clude extraneous material on H.R. 1808. was awarded the Combat Medical Badge and in Augusta, Georgia, as the ‘‘Charlie Norwood The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there two Bronze Stars. After his discharge in 1969, Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Cen- objection to the request of the gen- he remained a member of the American Le- ter’’. tleman from California? gion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the Charlie dedicated his life to medicine and There was no objection. Military Order of the World Wars until his public service—as a captain in the Army as- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I just death. signed to the Army Dental Corps during Viet- heard from Charlie, and he said, in his Mr. Speaker, Charlie Norwood served with nam, a dentist in private practice, and as a typical way, I wish all those guys say- us as a Member of Congress from January 4, Member of Congress. During his 12 years in ing such nice things about me would 1995 until his untimely death on February 13, the House of Representatives, Charlie fought have voted for my patients’ bill of 2007. During his Congressional career, as a hard for conservative values, the military and rights. Member of the Energy and Commerce Com- our veterans, and remained dedicated to see- But naming a VA facility after this mittee, Charlie Norwood worked to pass a pa- ing a patients’ bill of rights passed into law. Al- hero and a strong veterans advocate is tients’ bill of rights, aimed at giving people bet- though this dream of his has not yet become certainly a proper honor for an honor- ter access to health care, and spent his life a reality, it is all too fitting that we name the able soldier and for a Congressman we supporting the overall well-being of veterans. VA Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia, after all loved. Serving as a Member of the National Guard one of that state’s favorite sons. Mrs. BLACKBURN. Mr. Speaker, I rise in and Reserve Caucus, which I co-chair, he was Our military veterans had no stronger advo- strong support of H.R. 1808, legislation to VA a tireless guardian of our military and worked cate in Congress than Charlie, and with the Medical Center in Augusta, GA as the ‘‘Charlie hard to protect TRICARE benefits, co-spon- passage of this bill, we will be honoring that Norwood Department of Veterans Affairs Med- sored legislation to address military Survivor legacy. Additionally, I want to thank his wife ical Center.’’ Benefit Plan inequities, and worked to get pay Gloria for her loving support and her service Simply put, there is no more fitting vehicle raises for our military members. as First Lady of Georgia’s Tenth Congres- to pay tribute and honor our friend and former Mr. Speaker, honoring his hard work, and sional District. colleague, Representative Charlie Norwood. dedication to the military and our nation’s vet- As an original co-sponsor of H.R. 1808, a As many of my colleagues have so elo- erans, as well as his love of nation by naming fellow veteran, a friend, and an admirer of quently noted, Dr. Norwood was first and fore- the VA Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia Charlie Norwood, I want to thank Representa- most a friend of the American veteran. Having the ‘‘Charlie Norwood Department of Veterans tive JACK KINGSTON for introducing this legisla- served in wartime conditions in the Republic of Affairs Medical Center’’ is a fitting tribute to tion, and I look forward to its passage. Vietnam in 1968, Captain Norwood helped de- our late colleague and friend. Mr. STEARNS. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to velop the Army Dental Corps operating proce- Mr. Speaker, I urge the full support of my support H.R. 1808, to name the VA Medical dures that is now the standard for delivering colleagues on this legislation. Center in Augusta, Georgia after my good dentists to forward-fire bases. Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Speaker, I have friend and colleague, Charlie Norwood. I In so doing, Captain Norwood provided had the pleasure of working with many great served with Representative Norwood for 12 quality dental care to his fellow combat serv- men and women in my 22 years in the House, years here in Congress, and was honored to icemen, and established standard practice that and I can say with all honesty that Charlie work alongside him. This principled man did continued to benefit servicemen long after he Norwood was one of the best. I knew Charlie not hesitate to stand up for his conservative left the Army. well, both as an outspoken member of the En- principles, even if it meant criticizing his party. That is an appropriate metaphor for Char- ergy and Commerce Committee and a good Charlie was an intelligent and respected lie’s career in the U.S. House. As a Member friend. His devotion to people of the Tenth man, both in this House and in his hometown who served his constituents passionately dur- District of Georgia was undeniable, as was his that he ably served. He was an amiable man ing more than 12 years of service, he dedi- passion for improving this country’s healthcare full of a love for life and with a wisdom that he cated his government service to ensuring ac- and the lives of its veterans. had earned through experience. I was never cess to quality healthcare for every American, Charlie Norwood’s service to his country surprised when in Committee he would com- and for guaranteeing veterans the benefits began long before his election to the House of ment on an issue with particular insight and and respect that they deserve. Representatives. Charlie volunteered to serve concern for the complexities involved. We all miss Charlie. But even though he is in the United States Dental Corps during the It is fitting that a VA Medical Center be no longer with us, the good doctor’s passion Vietnam War. Captain Norwood provided den- named after this courageous man, especially and dedication to American veterans is not tal, emergency medical, and surgical care for since he himself had served our country with

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He ferred to the Medical Battalion of the 173rd Huempfner Department of Veterans Affairs stormed the machine gun positions and Airborne Brigade in Vietnam, and served a Outpatient Clinic’’. Any reference to such engaged in hand-to-hand fighting with combat tour at Quin Yon, An Khe, and LZ medical center in any law, regulation, map, enemy troops. English at Bon Son. During his tour, he partici- document, record, or other paper of the When he was not protecting towns- United States shall be considered to be a ref- pated in experimental military dental practices erence to the Milo C. Huempfner Department people of Leignon, Milo would sneak that are now standard procedure for the of Veterans Affairs Outpatient Clinic. out of town to warn approaching armed forces. Charlie Norwood was one of the The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- troops, allied troops, that the enemy first participants in the Army’s outreach pro- ant to the rule, the gentleman from was nearby. He saved many American gram that delivered dentists to forward California (Mr. FILNER) and the gen- soldiers’ lives. firebases, instead of the previous practice of One evening, a freezing evening, the tleman from Arkansas (Mr. BOOZMAN) transferring patients to rear treatment areas. each will control 20 minutes. townspeople came to him and asked if Interestingly, he also provided some of the The Chair recognizes the gentleman he would go to church and protect first field-based dental treatment of military from California. them. The people wanted to go to guard dogs, and assisted in non-dental trauma Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield to church and he could not understand care in Mobile Army Surgical Hospitals. my distinguished colleague from Wis- why. Well, it happened to be Christmas In recognition of his service under combat consin (Mr. KAGEN) to speak about the Eve, they reminded him. And he stood conditions, Representative Norwood was bill which he has authored to name the outside armed only with a pistol to awarded the Combat Medical Badge and two outpatient clinic in Green Bay, Wis- protect them on Christmas Eve. As the Bronze Stars. After Vietnam, Charlie was as- consin, after this great hero. people of Leignon celebrated, he stood signed to the Dental Corps at Fort Gordon, Mr. KAGEN. Mr. Speaker, thank you guard as he stands guard now. On Georgia, where he served until his discharge for this opportunity to speak in sup- Christmas morning, Milo received his in 1969. He remained a member of the Amer- port of H.R. 2408, a bill to name the De- present when allied forces began their ican Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, partment of Veterans Affairs commu- counterattack and surrounded the and the Military Order of the WorId Wars until nity-based outpatient clinic in Green town. Milo didn’t stop. He sprang into his recent tragic death. Bay for Milo C. Huempfner, Brown action against a German artillery hid- I was honored to serve with this effective County, Wisconsin’s most highly deco- den in a barn, and 18 Nazis surrendered Representative from the 10th district of Geor- rated veteran of World War II, recipi- to him. When Milo finally met the al- gia, was strengthened to draw from this intel- ent of the Distinguished Service Cross, lied troops, they almost mistook him ligent individual’s wealth of knowledge and in- second only to the Medal of Honor, the for a German spy. They couldn’t be- sight, and have been blessed to know this vi- Bronze Star, and numerous other com- lieve that a single soldier could hold brant and caring man, Charlie Norwood, as a mendations. them off from this town and couldn’t friend. I support honoring his memory by this Having cared for thousands of vet- understand how a single American sol- designation, and urge my colleagues to join erans as their physician, and now as dier could bring so many enemy troops me in support of this bill. their elected Representative, I would into being captives. Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I have no For these deeds, Private Huempfner future requests for time, and I yield also like to thank the members of the was awarded the Distinguished Service back the balance of my time. leadership and the members of the Vet- Cross. The after-action report on Pri- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The erans’ Affairs Committee who worked question is on the motion offered by hard to bring this legislation to the vate Huempfner’s deeds ends with these the gentleman from California (Mr. floor today, especially Chairman FIL- words, and I quote: ‘‘His gallantry, in- trepidity and extraordinary heroism FILNER) that the House suspend the NER. Thank you. And thank you as well rules and pass the bill, H.R. 1808. to Ambassador Mark Green for begin- while operating within the very limits The question was taken. ning this good work. of the German units, without being or- The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the We need to remember Milo C. dered to do so, and when withdrawal opinion of the Chair, two-thirds being Huempfner. He was a hero. His bravery, could have been accomplished with in the affirmative, the ayes have it. his dedication to others and his self- honor and safety, reflect the highest Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, on that I lessness to serve is a beacon to guide standards and ideal of the military demand the yeas and nays. all of us today. service and favorably demonstrated to The yeas and nays were ordered. Milo served in one of the best trained the citizens of Leignon the courage and The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- units in the U.S. Army, the elite 551st daring of the American soldier.’’ ant to clause 8 of rule XX and the Parachute Infantry Battalion. It was a After the war, Milo Huempfner pre- Chair’s prior announcement, further unit where courage was common. Yet ferred not to talk about his experi- proceedings on this motion will be even in this company, Milo distin- ences. This was common for many sol- postponed. guished himself. diers in World War II. His own children f Milo Huempfner was literally a one- did not know any of what I just spoke man army. For 2 days in December of about until his funeral, when Milo’s b 1315 1944, Milo Huempfner was literally a comrades stepped forward to speak of MILO C. HUEMPFNER DEPART- one-man army. He singlehandedly their cherished comrade. MENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS waged war against a German tank col- Despite his silence, Milo remained a OUTPATIENT CLINIC umn in Belgium during the Battle of committed patriot and dedicated to the Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to the Bulge. men he served. Over the years between suspend the rules and pass the bill In that chaotic battle, Milo and a the war and his passing in 1985, Milo (H.R. 2408) to designate the Depart- colleague were separated from their attended the funerals of over 900 vet- ment of Veterans Affairs outpatient convoy with a truckload of ammuni- erans in Brown County, Wisconsin. He clinic in Green Bay, Wisconsin, as the tion. They were near the Belgian town used his dress uniform so frequently ‘‘Milo C. Huempfner Department of of Leignon when their truck slid off the that he wore it out. As a mark of re- Veterans Affairs Outpatient Clinic’’. road into a ditch. Milo was left behind spect and thanks, local veterans orga- The Clerk read the title of the bill. to guard the truck until a tow truck nizations paid to have it restored. The text of the bill is as follows: could return. He had instructions to By naming this temporary commu- H.R. 2408 destroy it if the Germans arrived. He nity outpatient clinic building in Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- turned down opportunities to leave. Green Bay after Milo Huempfner, we resentatives of the United States of America in When he heard an armed column of are paying respect to one of Wiscon- Congress assembled, Panzer tanks approaching, he burned sin’s great heroes.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 04:29 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00030 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.048 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11879 I would like to thank Milo GENERAL LEAVE rules were suspended and the bill was Huempfner’s children, Jackie, Wayne, Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I again passed. Geri and Milo, for their help and also ask unanimous consent that all Mem- A motion to reconsider was laid on his friend, Bernard Depry of Green Bay, bers may have 5 legislative days in the table. who brought this request to my atten- which to revise and extend their re- f tion and worked tirelessly over the marks and include extraneous material years to make this a reality. on H.R. 2408. CONDEMNING THE ACTIONS OF I encourage my colleagues to support The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there SEPTEMBER 7, 2007, RESULTING H.R. 2408. We are recognizing the deeds objection to the request of the gen- IN DAMAGE TO THE VIETNAM of a brave and noble man. tleman from California? VETERANS WAR MEMORIAL Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, H.R. There was no objection. Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to 2408, a bill to designate the VA out- Mr. FILNER. I want to thank Mr. suspend the rules and agree to the reso- patient clinic in Green Bay, Wisconsin KAGEN for bringing this story and his- lution (H. Res. 680) condemning the ac- as the Milo Huempfner Department of tory of a brave American and a great tions of September 7, 2007, resulting in Veterans Affairs Outpatient Clinic hero for Wisconsin. I wish your guys damage to the Vietnam Veterans War would honor an individual whose de- from Green Bay, whether they be quar- Memorial. meanor during combat in World War II terbacks or heroes, would have names The Clerk read the title of the resolu- exemplifies the concept of the army of we could pronounce. But we thank you tion. one. for telling us the story of Milo The text of the resolution is as fol- In 1944, Private First Class Huempfner, and we look forward to the lows: Huempfner was stranded in the small naming of the facility in Green Bay H. RES. 680 Belgian village of Leignon after his after him. Whereas the Vietnam Veterans Memorial truck was separated from its convoy Mr. Speaker, the Distinguished Service serves as a memorial to the 2,700,000 men and and slid off the road. While in hiding in Cross (DSC) was established in 1918 by women in the United States Armed Forces Leignon, Private First Class President Woodrow Wilson. It is the second who served in the designated war zone during Huempfner found that the village had highest military decoration of the United States the Vietnam Era; been overrun by German troops. He Army and surpassed only by the Medal of Whereas 58,256 men and women died while proceeded, over the next 4 days and Honor in order of precedence. serving in South East Asia or as a result of nights, to singlehandedly wage war their wounds or a service-connected dis- The DSC is awarded for extreme gallantry ability; against an entire German armored col- and risk of life and this extraordinary heroism Whereas on Friday evening, September 7, umn consisting of tanks, numerous must take place while the individual is en- 2007, the United States Park Police reported heavy gun emplacements, and hundreds gaged in an action against an enemy of the being notified of a light, oily, and unidenti- of soldiers. During this period of time, United States. The act of heroism must be so fied substance that was spilled over portions Private First Class Huempfner warned notable and involve risk of life so extraordinary of some of the names, panels, and paving off numerous American and British as to set the individual apart from his com- stones of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial; troops from Leignon, who otherwise rades. Whereas at least 14 of the 140 inscribed would have been slaughtered by the panels of the Memorial Wall were damaged; It is an honor for me to stand before you and Germans occupying the town. He re- today to talk about one such individual—Milo Whereas the National Park Service has de- peatedly refused to be evacuated on C. Huempfner. termined that the damage was the result of these occasions, staying to destroy ad- Mr. Huempfner was the most decorated an act of vandalism: Now, therefore, be it ditional German equipment, killing serviceman in Brown County during World Resolved, That the House of Representa- German soldiers in direct combat, and War II. In 1944, PFC Huempfner committed tives condemns all attacks upon the memory protecting the citizens of the occupied acts of extraordinary bravery and heroism dur- of veterans and their service to the United town. ing the final European campaign of World War States, as exemplified by the incident of van- Mr. Speaker, on Christmas Eve, Brit- II. dalism of September 7, 2007. ish forces dislodged German forces On December 20, 1944, in Belgium, PFC The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- using information collected by Private Huempfner was driving a truck loaded with ant to the rule, the gentleman from First Class Huempfner. After over 72 ammunition that went off the road. Sending his California (Mr. FILNER) and the gen- hours on his feet, under constant only comrade back to seek help and safety, tleman from Arkansas (Mr. BOOZMAN) threat and harassment from enemy Huempfner proceeded over the next 4 days each will control 20 minutes. forces, Private First Class Huempfner and nights to wage war, single-handedly, The Chair recognizes the gentleman retired to a household he had earlier against an entire German armored column. from California. defended. During this time, he warned off numerous Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield For all of these accomplishments he American and British troops from the area who myself as much time as I might con- was awarded the Distinguished Service otherwise would have been slaughtered by the sume. Cross in 1973. After the war, Private Germans occupying the area. I rise in strong support of this bill First Class Huempfner attended the fu- After his military service he remained heav- which condemns the action that re- nerals of as many veteran comrades as ily involved in veterans activities. sulted in damage to our Vietnam Vet- possible. Reports indicate that he par- H.R. 2408 would name the Department of erans Memorial. We all know that this ticipated in the burial of some 900 fel- Veterans Affairs Outpatient Clinic in Green memorial recognizes and honors the low comrades in arms over the years Bay, Wisconsin, as the ‘‘Milo C. Huempfner men and women who are veterans of since World War II, attending in full Department of Veterans Affairs Outpatient our Nation who served in one of Amer- dress uniform, honoring their service Clinic’’. ica’s most divisive wars. The memorial and repeatedly demonstrating his love Given his unselfish service to his country, it grew out of a need to try to heal the for our Nation by showing the brave is only fitting that we name a Veterans Affairs Nation’s wounds as America struggled veterans of Brown County the dignity Outpatient Clinic in his honor. to reconcile its different moral and po- and respect that they had earned. He Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague of Wis- litical points of view on this war. In continued attending these funerals consin, STEVE KAGEN, for introducing this bill fact, the memorial was conceived and until a week before his death in Octo- and I urge the support of my colleagues. designed to make no political state- ber 1985. Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance ment about the war. It was designed to Mr. Speaker, I support honoring this of my time. bring us together. It was designed as a brave American veteran by naming The SPEAKER pro tempore. The place where everyone, regardless of this facility the Milo C. Huempfner De- question is on the motion offered by their opinion of the war, could come partment of Veterans Affairs Out- the gentleman from California (Mr. together, remember and honor those patient Clinic. It is a fine tribute to a FILNER) that the House suspend the who served and those who made the ul- true patriot and true hero. rules and pass the bill, H.R. 2408. timate sacrifice in service of their Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance The question was taken; and (two- country. I think all of us, wherever we of my time. thirds being in the affirmative) the were during that terribly divisive time,

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Mr. Speaker, I yield As a Vietnam veteran, as many of about the senseless act of vandalism myself such time as I may consume. you are in this Chamber, many of our that happened earlier this year. Some- Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong colleagues, for me 20 years plus, I know one walked along that memorial with support of H. Res. 680, which condemns firsthand, a lot of us do, the sacrifices some type of oil applying it secretly on the actions of September 7, 2007, result- that servicemembers and their families the wall as they walked by. The un- ing in damage to the Vietnam Veterans make. known oil has done real damage to the War Memorial. This memorial does more than just polished granite surface. But it did Mr. Speaker, the Vietnam Veterans honor the brave men and women who more than damage the wall, Mr. Speak- War Memorial, commonly referred to gave their lives for this great Nation. as ‘‘The Wall,’’ serves as a memorial to er. It damaged the respect we have for It also serves as a reminder to all the 2.7 million men and women in the our Nation’s veterans and their sac- Americans the price of freedom. United States Armed Forces who rifice, damaging the healing process; The Vietnam Veterans Memorial served in Vietnam. It is a memorial and it takes us, as a Nation, back to a serves as a resting place for our breth- that has many different meanings to time when we did not honor or take ren who were unable to come home. those who lived through that era and care of our returning Vietnam vet- And I will bet some of the rest of you, serves as an especially poignant re- erans. as I, have wondered how come our minder of the cost of that war and the It takes us back to a time when name wasn’t on that wall. We know it ultimate sacrifice made in any con- many people in this country confused could have been. And for somebody to flict. desecrate that is just unacceptable. I the war and the warrior. If you did not Americans come from all across the hope the park service will be able to like the war, you said to heck with the country each year to reflect on the sac- warrior. That was a deep mistake on rifices of the 58,256 names inscribed on find these criminals and swiftly bring our part, Mr. Speaker, a tragic mis- the 140 panels of black granite. Wheth- them to justice. I would like to give special thanks to take, and one, as a Nation, we still suf- er it is a family member looking for all of our troops and all those of them fer from today. the name of a loved one or a comrade We did not provide these veterans the in arms honoring a foxhole buddy or a who have given the ultimate sacrifice. care they needed. We didn’t welcome young child searching for the name of We cannot forget them. With the passage of this legislation them back with honor and dignity and a relative they never knew, every today, it is one more example of what respect, and we’re paying a price today. American who visits the wall leaves a More than half of the homeless on the changed person. It is fitting that the Congress has done to fulfill our Na- streets throughout America tonight, Memorial for our most divisive war has tion’s obligation to servicemembers, are Vietnam vets, over 200,000. Others become a place of solace and coming their families, and all veterans. I am proud to stand here as a cospon- still suffer from post-traumatic stress together. disorder, substance abuse, other ail- Mr. Speaker, regardless of who is re- sor of this bill, and I encourage the ments. And as I said earlier, as many sponsible for the recent attack on the House to pass H. Res. 680 today. Vietnam veterans have now committed Vietnam Wall, that cowardly act was Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 suicide as died in the original war. We, an affront to every American. In an ap- minutes to the sponsor of the legisla- as a Nation, have to rectify this wrong. parent act of vandalism, 14 panels were tion, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. We have to take care and provide the defaced with a light, oily substance CARTER). health care, the treatment and the sup- that damaged names, panels, and pav- Mr. CARTER. I thank the gentleman port that our Vietnam veterans deserve ing stones of the Vietnam Veterans for yielding. And I would also like to and need. We have to say that we are Memorial. thank Ranking Member BUYER and sorry for the treatment that they re- While I am thankful that it appears Chairman FILNER for bringing this for- ceived when they came home, and that the substance was removed and ward today. I think this is an impor- honor these courageous men and the Memorial has been restored to its tant resolution. women for their sacrifice to this Na- pristine condition, I believe it is impor- When I heard about the fact that tion. tant for us in Congress to show someone had defaced the Vietnam Me- Anything that subtracts from this Congress’s support for one of our Na- morial, I just didn’t really know what healing process is an outrage to the tion’s most sacred sites. to think about it. It wasn’t a front honor and memory of these brave vet- Mr. Speaker, I also urge my col- page item; it was a back page item. But erans who fought and died for our leagues to join me between November 7 to me it was just a shock. So I went country. And that is exactly what the through November 10 to read some of down to the park to take a look at it. senseless, needless act of vandalism the 58,256 names on the Vietnam Vet- And as I walked along there, and I that was perpetrated on the Vietnam erans Memorial. This will only be the know some others have done this too, Veterans Memorial does. It rubs salt fourth time that this reading has oc- you could see where this substance had into the wounds of our veterans that curred here in Washington, and it coin- cast what looked like a shadow across are still healing, and dishonors those cides with the 25th anniversary of the the names that were printed on por- that deserve nothing less than our Na- Vietnam Veterans Memorial. tions of this wall. And it brought back tion’s honor and gratitude. I thank my colleague Representative to me a memory of the time when the CARTER for introducing this resolution traveling wall came to the town I am b 1330 and Chairman FILNER and Ranking from in Round Rock, Texas, and was So, Mr. Speaker, through this resolu- Member BUYER for bringing it to the put up out in the park, and I went out tion we condemn this act. We condemn floor today. there with one of my good friends and those who are responsible. The oil is Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of one of the lawyers who worked in my not just a stain on a piece of granite; it my time. court who was a true Vietnam veteran is a stain on the fabric of our Nation, a Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield and a hero, and we walked up to ap- Nation still healing from a divisive war such time as he may consume to an- proach that wall. And it was sitting up but a Nation that honors the sacrifices other hero of the Vietnam War, a man on a hill in our park, and he got about of its soldiers and veterans. who served two tours in Vietnam, the 75 or 50 yards from the wall and he just Maya Ying Lin, who designed the Me- gentleman from Iowa (Mr. BOSWELL). stopped. And I said, Mike, are you morial, said, ‘‘ . . . this Memorial is for Mr. BOSWELL. Mr. Speaker, I thank going up there? And he said, Not right all those who have died, and for us to Chairman FILNER for yielding and what now. And then he stood there and remember them.’’ he is doing here for veterans. stared at that wall and cried. And it

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For those of us someone to go out and deface the honor Vietnam for nearly 7 years, and I was who served in Vietnam, however, the of these fallen heroes whose names there for two tours too, Mr. BOSWELL names on the wall hold an even strong- were carved on that wall is intolerable. and I both, I find this vandalism uncon- er significance. Those names bolster I too hope the Park Service finds these scionable and un-American. Why on our sometimes failing memories of the people and prosecutes them to the full Earth would someone want to reignite friends and comrades who didn’t return extent of the law because this is a the pains of the past? with us. shame. It’s not only a shame to our na- Defacing the wall was the ultimate It is with these memories in minds tional monument, which is against the act of cowardice. Why anyone would that I express my complete, my total, law, but it is a shame to our national want to destroy a sacred monument in utter outrage at this recent desecra- honor that this happened. And that is Washington, DC. is beyond me. tion. The person or persons who did why I brought this bill forward. Even though I did two tours in Viet- this have violated a sacred trust, and I I want to note that there are others nam, I spent most of my time in cap- consider their actions deplorable. Their who feel the same way, and many of tivity. I didn’t get to know a lot of the cowardice, yes, their cowardice, stands them are here today and I am thankful brave men and women who died in ac- in sharp contrast to the bravery and for them. The Gathering of Eagles and tion, those who have their names valor of those for whom this memorial the AMVETS posted a $5,000 reward to etched into the shiny, marble dark was erected, and we as a country will try to find out who did this defacing of wall. simply not tolerate such behavior. Just the wall. That’s how much it means to But I did get to know a great Amer- as we honor and pay tribute to those them. ican very well. His name is Ron Storz, who served and sacrificed so much, so This act of vandalism cannot be tol- a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force too must we condemn, we as a Con- erated, should not be tolerated. And by and a fellow fighter pilot. gress, we as a people, we as a Nation, passing this resolution, we will reaf- Originally from New York, Ron was those who would denigrate that sac- firm to our veterans who fought the shot down on April 28, 1965. I was shot rifice through such cowardly actions. war in Vietnam that they did it with down barely a year later, on April 16, If there are those who applaud or honor, they did it with principle, and 1966. somehow justify this desecration, I we respect them as our warriors who Because our captors tried to blame a would only remind them of the hypoc- did their job and should have been handful of us for overthrowing the Vi- risy of their beliefs and their actions. treated accordingly with honor when etnamese Government, they labeled us Our freedom was won and maintained they came home. We need to continue diehards. They threw 11 of us in soli- by brave men and women such as those to honor our Vietnam vets. That’s why tary confinement in adjacent cells. Of honored on this wall, and we should all I feel this resolution is so important. the 11 of us, only 10 came home. Our hold them reverently in our hearts. And I hope it will be passed unani- captors killed Ron Storz after he went Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my col- mously by this House. on a hunger strike. league Mr. CARTER for bringing this The Vietnam Veterans Memorial serves as It breaks my heart to think that important resolution to the floor, to a memorial to the 2,700,000 men and women someone would senselessly harm and the chairman and ranking member of in the United States Armed Forces who deface the names, the honors, the leg- the committee for bringing it to the served in the designated war zone during the acies of great patriots like Ron. floor. Vietnam Era. You can find Ron’s name on panel 1 I encourage my colleagues to support While serving in Southeast Asia or as a re- of the east wall. this bill. Let’s support it unanimously. sult of their wounds or a service-connected I deeply hope and pray the loved ones Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 disability, 58,256 men and women died. of those men and women memorialized minutes to the gentlewoman from On Friday evening, September 7, 2007, the on the wall know we remember their Florida (Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE). United States Park Police reported being noti- Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Flor- selfless family members and thank fied of a light, oily, and unidentified substance ida. I thank the gentleman. them for their dedicated service and ul- that was spilled over portions of some of the Mr. Speaker, I rise to join my col- timate sacrifice. These men and women names, panels, and paving stones of the Viet- leagues today to condemn in the listed on the wall all demonstrate why nam Veterans Memorial. harshest terms possible the vandalism At least 14 of the 140 inscribed panels of America is the land of the free and the that scarred the Vietnam Veterans Me- the Memorial Wall were damaged. home of the brave. These valiant war- morial a few weeks ago. The National Park Service has determined riors fought to protect and defend this My district in Florida is home to the that the damage was the result of an act of great Nation, and we should not allow second most veterans of any Member of vandalism. someone to tarnish their good names, this body, with more than 105,000 vet- Thank the Gathering of Eagles organization and we must condemn this vandalism. erans and their dependents residing and AMVETS for bringing attention to this I thank you both. there. crime through the $5,000 reward they are of- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I reserve b 1345 fering and by spreading the word to their the balance of my time. members. Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I am I also serve on the House Veterans’ Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I look for- pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gen- Affairs Committee. So many brave sol- ward to hearing the words of our great tleman from Minnesota, Colonel KLINE. diers, marines, Navy men, airmen who Vietnam hero, Mr. JOHNSON, who was, Mr. KLINE of Minnesota. I thank the fought with bravery over in the South- of course, a POW in Vietnam for many, gentleman for yielding. east to stop the spread of communism many years. But I will let Mr. BOOZMAN I, like my colleagues, have come here and to protect American interests live introduce him. today to condemn in the strongest pos- in my district. For those brave troops Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of sible terms the actions which damaged throughout our great Nation who per- my time. the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. ished in the line of fire, their names Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I am And as always when I am in the same are forever marked on the Vietnam proud to yield 3 minutes to the gen- room with my colleague Mr. JOHNSON Veterans War Memorial here in Wash- tleman from Texas (Mr. SAM JOHNSON), from Texas, I am humbled to be in the ington, DC. That anyone would deface a true American hero who certainly presence of a real hero of the Vietnam the wall and desecrate the memory of can speak with authority on this sub- War. And I don’t know that I can add these fine soldiers is beyond anyone’s ject. to the passion and to the caring that he comprehension. Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas. Thank has already conveyed for us, but I just As someone who grew up in the Viet- you, Mr. BOOZMAN, and thank you, have to say that I can’t remember nam era and someone whose brother

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Yet the ished in the jungles of Vietnam and to Mr. FILNER, chairman of the Vet- law says there is no proof that agent had their names inscribed on the wall, erans’ Affairs Committee, and Ranking orange caused Parkinson’s or Lou tens of thousands more came home to Member BUYER, in expediting it and Gehrig’s disease, and so they’re shut their families and loved ones. These are getting it on the floor. out. That’s a shame. They served us; the people who deserve to be the most With that, Mr. Speaker, I yield back we should serve them. Let’s grant all outraged by the vandalism that took the balance of my time. these agent orange claims. place, the families, friends and fellow GENERAL LEAVE And we ought to, according to the soldiers of the deceased, who make pil- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask representatives at the convention, give grimages to the wall to pay respects unanimous consent that all Members the status of ‘‘mandatory’’ or ‘‘assured and honor those who gave the ultimate may have 5 legislative days in which to funding’’ to the health care for our vet- sacrifice for our great Nation. revise and extend their remarks and in- erans. Right now, health care in our I commend Judge CARTER for bring- clude extraneous material on H. Res. budget is called ‘‘discretionary.’’ We ing this resolution to the floor today. 680. fight over it every year, Democrats, And I thank him for doing his part to The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there Republican, House, Senate, VA Com- honor the memory of those who fought objection to the request of the gen- mittee versus everybody. We should and died in Vietnam. tleman from California? not play politics with veterans health We all hope that the individuals who There was no objection. care, and we should have a guaranteed Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I thank perpetrated this crime will be caught mandatory budget. Mr. CARTER. I thank all the Members and prosecuted to the full extent of the Those are the things that would real- who spoke on this legislation. It is an law and that, clearly, something like ly tell our Vietnam vets that we care important bill. But I must say, we this would never happen again. about them. So let’s pass this resolu- ought to go further than this resolu- Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I am tion. The wall is, as we’ve heard today, tion. pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gen- so important to our memories, to our Mr. POE said voting for this resolu- healing, to those brave men who fought tleman from Texas (Mr. POE). tion means we’re standing up for our Mr. POE. I thank the gentleman for for us. But let’s go further and really troops. Well, I just spoke recently to yielding. give the Vietnam vets a thank you and the Annual Convention of the Vietnam General Westmoreland said: ‘‘I do not pass legislation that will not only end Veterans of America. I’ll tell you what believe that the men who served in uni- homelessness and grant the agent or- they define as standing up for our form in Vietnam have been given the ange claims, but give mandatory fund- troops—and there will be legislation credit they rightfully deserve. It was a ing for the VA health care budget. embodying all of this soon. It would Mr. BUYER. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in difficult war against an unorthodox mean that we would look at the 200,000 enemy.’’ I agree with General West- strong support of H. Res. 680 condemning the Vietnam vets who are on the street act of vandalism on the Vietnam Veterans Me- moreland, especially in light of those homeless tonight and solve that moral events when, last month, Vietnam vet- morial last month. On the evening of Sep- blot on our record. tember 7th vandals dumped an oily substance, erans were dishonored when outlaw Most of us go to Stand-Downs every vandals desecrated the memorial. which damaged 14 of the 140 black granite year, where the whole community panels commemorating the lives of more than I want to thank my colleague, Judge comes around for 3 days and provides CARTER, for introducing this resolution 58,000 men and women killed or missing dur- security and comfort, medical atten- ing the war. The substance has been cleaned that deplores this despicable act. I’m tion, dental health, legal assistance, glad to be a cosponsor of it. up, however I believe it is important for the clothes for the homeless vets in that American people to know what happened to It has also been said that in this war, community. The community comes to- Vietnam War, ‘‘all gave some, and this sacred shrine. gether and has a holistic approach of Mr. Speaker, while no one has yet been some gave all.’’ And the Vietnam Vet- drug and alcohol abuse and job coun- connected with the vandalism, anti-war pro- erans War Memorial lists the names of seling. So we know what to do for testers earlier this year defaced other Wash- over 58,000 Americans who gave all for those 3 days. But the last five or eight ington landmarks. In January, protesters spray their country. And of course the men Stand-Downs that I’ve addressed I said, painted a Capitol terrace. Protesters later de- and women who sacrificed their lives in I’m tired of coming to Stand-Downs. filed the Lone Sailor statue at the United Vietnam deserve better than what hap- We should have Stand-Downs 365 days a States Navy Memorial. This pattern of attacks pened to the memorial that honors year. That’s what the Veterans Admin- is a national disgrace. them. istration ought to do. With a $100 bil- When I stand before the Wall and look on The thugs who desecrated the wall lion budget, you would think we could those names, I feel great humility in the pres- ought to be tracked down and be take care of the Vietnam vets who are ence of what this memorial represents. These brought to justice because justice is homeless. That would be standing up men and women died so that our very way of the one thing we should always find. I for the troops. freedom might endure. I call upon the coward certainly know what I would do to In addition, many of them have been or cowards who defiled this shrine to come them if I were still on the bench, and fighting for decades to get compensa- forward and accept responsibility, or go back I’m sure Judge CARTER would like to do tion for an agent orange disability. under the rock from which they came. It is an the same if he caught them. Be that as And the law, while we have extended obscene perversion that others would creep it may, they should be brought before the areas to which presumption applies out in the dark of night to deface the memory the bar of justice. and give these brave veterans health of heroes. The memory of these patriots en- Many of the friends that I grew up care and disability compensation, there dures in our hearts, whatever hateful attacks with in Texas served in Vietnam, and is still too many areas that are not vandals may attempt. there are five of their names on that awarded a claim. I would like to thank my colleague Rep- wall. We can honor them today by At this stage (I would like to talk to resentative JOHN CARTER of Texas for intro- passing this resolution and demanding Mr. JOHNSON later about this), I would ducing this important legislation, and I thank justice. say all these agent orange claims, if the House leadership for bringing it to the It has been said that in the Vietnam they have medical backing and help by floor. War it cost our troops everything, and a veteran service officer, are presump- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I yield it cost the American public almost tive, and have them stop fighting after back the balance of my time. nothing. It’s time for the American all these decades and get the care and The SPEAKER pro tempore. The public, by standing up for this resolu- attention that they need. question is on the motion offered by

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:18 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00034 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.070 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11883 the gentleman from California (Mr. United States Armed Forces and after com- freedoms that they have to be in school FILNER) that the House suspend the pleting their service; and and to be all that they want to be. rules and agree to the resolution, H. (3) requests that the President issue a This year, as Chair of the Congres- Res. 680. proclamation each year in connection with sional Hispanic Caucus, I have worked the observance of Veterans Day calling on The question was taken; and the the people of the United States to observe closely with Hispanic veterans and the Speaker pro tempore announced that that day with appropriate ceremonies and Medal of Honor veteran winners from the ayes appeared to have it. activities. World War II until today. The stories Mr. CARTER. Mr. Speaker, on that I The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- of courage and sacrifices I’ve heard demand the yeas and nays. ant to the rule, the gentleman from from them were nothing short of amaz- The yeas and nays were ordered. California (Mr. FILNER) and the gen- ing. They deserve to be recognized and The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- tleman from Arkansas (Mr. BOOZMAN) thanked, as well as every veteran who ant to clause 8 of rule XX and the each will control 20 minutes. has served our country. Chair’s prior announcement, further The Chair recognizes the gentleman I also believe a special thanks is nec- proceedings on this motion will be from California. essary to the veterans and military postponed. Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I would families that are left behind. Too often f yield for as much time as he may con- we forget about the families and vet- sume to the author of this legislation, erans who are left behind. They have SUPPORTING AND ENCOURAGING an Army veteran of the Vietnam era, sacrificed so much for their loved ones GREATER SUPPORT FOR VET- the gentleman from California (Mr. and for America, for America that we ERANS DAY EACH YEAR BACA). stand up with, America that we have Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I move to Mr. BACA. Mr. Speaker, I rise in sup- always been with. You are the support suspend the rules and agree to the reso- port of H. Res. 237. system and the backbone for all of lution (H. Res. 237) supporting and en- I want to thank Representative FIL- these veterans. couraging greater support for Veterans NER for his commitment to this resolu- On November 11, on Veterans Day, do Day each year. tion in support of our veterans. And I not forget those who are the true he- The Clerk read the title of the resolu- say ‘‘the support of our veterans.’’ As a roes of this country. Reflect on the tion. veteran myself who served in both the true meaning of Veterans Day, and re- The text of the resolution is as fol- 101st and 82nd Airborne Division, I am member the sacrifices made by so lows: proud to stand with our brave men and many proud American sons and daugh- H. RES. 237 women. ters that we will honor on that day. Today, there are over 23 million vet- I urge my colleagues to support this Whereas veterans of service in the United States Armed Forces have served the Nation erans living in the United States; resolution. Veterans Day is about our with honor and at great personal sacrifice; 165,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan. In my heroes. Whereas the American people owe the se- district, we have over 32,000 veterans. Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield curity of the Nation to those who have de- There are also many veterans who myself such time as I may consume. fended it; serve in Congress, and I want to thank Mr. Speaker, I take great pleasure in Whereas on Memorial Day each year, the those Members who have served this urging my colleagues to support House Nation honors those who lost their lives in country. And I salute each and every Resolution 237, urging all of America service to the Nation; one of the Members who have served to make a special effort to honor Whereas on Veterans Day each year, the Nation honors those who have defended de- our country. America’s veterans on November 11, in- mocracy by serving in the Armed Forces; To my fellow veterans, I commend troduced by a veteran of the Vietnam Whereas the observance of Memorial Day you for your service. When our troops War, the Honorable JOE BACA. and Veterans Day is an expression of faith in commit to serve our country, they This resolution reminds each of us of democracy, faith in American values, and make a promise to serve and to protect the debt we owe to those whose sac- faith that those who fight for freedom will this country. rifices have made America the beacon defeat those whose cause is unjust; We also have a moral responsibility of freedom throughout the world. Whereas section 116(a) of title 36, United to protect the returning veterans and America’s holidays remind us of impor- States Code, provides that ‘‘The last Monday their families. Veterans returning from in May is Memorial Day’’ and section 116(b) tant events and persons in our Nation’s of that title requests the President to issue Iraq and Afghanistan must receive the history. It is significant that veterans a proclamation each year calling on the peo- best treatment. Sadly, for the last few are honored with two holidays that ple of the United States to observe Memorial years, I don’t believe that our govern- recognize the important role of those Day by praying, according to their indi- ment has held its end of the bargain. who wear the uniform. vidual religious faith, for permanent peace, The conditions at Walter Reed show us 1400 designating a period of time on Memorial that in many cases our veterans are b Day during which the people may unite in not receiving the care they deserve. Veterans have assaulted heavily de- prayer for a permanent peace, calling on the This resolution reminds us that Vet- fended beaches, jumped from aircraft people of the United States to unite in pray- erans Day is not just a day off from under heavy fire, shivered in frozen er at that time, and calling on the media to foxholes, slogged through malaria-rid- join in observing Memorial Day and the pe- school or work. This is a special day of riod of prayer; reflection to honor those who have de- den jungles, and endured horrible Whereas section 4 of the National Moment fended our country. abuses as prisoners of war. Veterans of Remembrance Act (Public Law 106–579) I visited Israel a few years ago. There have survived incredible hardships, provides, ‘‘The minute beginning at 3:00 p.m. I learned how truly they respect and they have suffered wounds, and far too (local time) on Memorial Day each year is honor veterans in that country. Israel many have paid the ultimate price of designated as the ‘National Moment of Re- calls for 1 minute of silence across the freedom. They have often experienced membrance’’’; and whole country. The country’s emer- long separations from families, and Whereas Section 6103(a) of title 5, United they serve in the outposts of freedom States Code, provides that ‘‘Memorial Day, gency siren goes off at 10 a.m., and all the last Monday in May’’ and ‘‘Veteran’s TV and radio stations are also inter- while their fellow citizens enjoy the Day, November 11’’ are legal public holidays: rupted and programs sounding the fruits of everyday life in America. Now, therefore, be it alert. Everyone then stops whatever Each of them, from the Army or Ma- Resolved, That the House of Representa- they are doing, working, driving, any- rine infantrymen on patrol, to the sail- tives— thing else, and stands in silence for or deep in the bowels of an aircraft car- (1) encourages Americans to demonstrate those heroes who have served their rier, to the airmen miles above the their support for veterans on Veterans Day country. That’s paying respect. ground sets an example for the rest of each year by treating that day as a special My resolution also encourages us. day of reflection; (2) encourages schools and teachers to edu- schools to educate our young people Mr. Speaker, I think it is important cate students on the great contributions vet- about the contributions of our veterans to recall how Veterans Day came to be. erans have made to the country and its his- to this country because they ulti- In 1921, an unknown World War I Amer- tory, both while serving as members of the mately have made the sacrifice for the ican soldier was buried in Arlington

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Well, zens from attack from foreign powers, unknown soldier was buried in each of while those are all impressive, none are and today from attacks from terror- the nation’s highest place of honor, in more impressive than our brave men ists. England West Minster Abby, in France and women in uniform. I think, in fact, Mr. Speaker, I encourage every the Arc de Triomphe. I know, they are our greatest military American to adopt the spirit of this These memorial gestures all took asset. The men and women who serve resolution in celebrating Veterans Day place on November 11, giving universal our Nation are the best educated, and show our veterans how much we recognition to the celebrated ending of trained and equipped fighting force in appreciate their sacrifice and the time World War I fighting at 11 a.m., No- the world. Because of this, I am proud served. May God bless our soldiers and vember 11, 1918, the 11th hour of the to stand with my colleague (Mr. BACA) our veterans. 11th day of the 11th month. The day be- and all the rest of you to encourage Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I reserve came known as Armistice Day. The communities and schools around the the balance of my time. first celebration using the term ‘‘Vet- country to recognize the contributions Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, in clos- erans Day’’ occurred in Birmingham, veterans have made to our country and ing, again, I encourage everyone, cer- Alabama, in 1947. to our history. tainly we are all anxiously awaiting to Raymond Weeks, a World War II vet- It is often said, but we will say it get to vote ‘‘yes’’ on this very, very im- eran, organized National Veterans Day, again, a grateful Nation will always re- portant resolution. I want to thank Mr. which included a parade and other fes- member those who sacrifice so much in BACA for bringing this to our attention tivities to honor all veterans. The preserving our freedom. If we are to and doing the work that it took to get event was held on November 11, then continue to have the very best of our it on the floor. A special thanks to designated Armistice Day. Later, U.S. Nation serve, we must continue to give Chairman FILNER, Mr. BUYER, again, Representative Edward Rees of Kansas them assurances that their service will for working together and getting all of proposed a bill that would change Ar- not be forgotten. By granting all vet- the bills that we have done today on mistice Day to Veterans Day. In 1954, erans who served before them the rec- the floor. I think it represents a tre- Congress passed the bill that President ognition, care and respect promised, mendous amount of work. As always, I Eisenhower signed proclaiming Novem- tomorrow’s veterans will have the reas- want to thank the staffs on both sides ber 11 as Veterans Day. Raymond surance in knowing their future needs who worked so hard in preparing these Weeks received the Presidential Citi- will be addressed. things and actually getting it to fru- zens Medal from President Reagan in I am very proud to stand here to co- ition. November 1982. Weeks’ local parade and sponsor this bill today and encourage So with that, again, I yield back the ceremonies are now an annual event the House to pass H. Res. 237. Honor balance of my time. celebrated nationwide. Veterans Day. It’s something we have a GENERAL LEAVE Mr. Speaker, I again suggest this privilege to do. Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask most fitting of resolutions is worthy of Mr. BOOZMAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 unanimous consent that all Members unanimous support for my colleagues. minutes to the gentlewoman from may have 5 legislative days in which to As Mr. FILNER said in the previous bill, Florida (Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE). revise and extend their remarks and in- we need to go further. Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Flor- clude extraneous material on H. Res. Mr. Speaker, there is no better way ida. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong 237. to honor our veterans on Veterans Day support of the resolution offered by The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. than to ensure funding for their med- Representative BACA of California. I BLUMENAUER). Is there objection to the ical care and other benefits. That is applaud him for bringing this resolu- request of the gentleman from Cali- why I call on my friends on the other tion to the floor today and I am very fornia? side of the aisle to appoint conferees proud to support his efforts. There was no objection. for the Military Construction and VA With a district with so many vet- Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, this is an appropriations bill. erans, I can honestly stand here today important resolution, and we have We are almost a month into the new and tell you that Veterans Day in my heard the many reasons why, and I fiscal year and there is no practical district is on par with the love of God, thank Mr. BACA for bringing this reso- reason that this bill cannot pass and mom and apple pie. Almost every town lution to the floor. But after we give become law. It won’t be long before and municipality in the eight counties our speeches on Veterans Day, after we this apparent political ploy will begin that make up my congressional district have given all the tributes, let’s come to affect the care our Nation’s warriors goes out of their way to hold a public back and do some real work that we receive. Let’s appoint conferees and en- event celebrating the accomplishments have to do to really honor our vet- sure that the VA can continue to give of our Nation’s veterans. erans. our veterans the excellent care that Traveling around my district, I have I agree with the gentleman from Ar- they deserve. met literally thousands of men and kansas. Let’s pass that appropriations Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of some women who recount their stories bill. If you add the money that is in the my time. of military service with pride and with appropriations bill for 2008 with the Mr. FILNER. Mr. Speaker, I would joy. They tell of the bravery of their continuing resolution we did earlier yield such time as he may consume to comrades, of the sacrifices to protect this year and the supplemental resolu- our Vietnam aviator, Mr. BOSWELL of the innocent and the weak and the tion we did earlier, we have added more Iowa. memories of those killed in action. than $13 billion for the health care of Mr. BOSWELL. Thank you, Chair- The resolution before us, House Reso- our veterans for this year over last man FILNER, and all of you who have lution 237, is a good sense of the House year. That is a 30 percent increase. worked on veterans events this day and that encourages the celebration of Vet- That is unprecedented in the history of these last several months. We appre- erans Day. Veterans Day is not just an- the VA and will put in place all the ciate it very much. other day to go to the mall or look for programs that many of us want and Mr. Speaker, as veterans we know Veterans Day sales but, rather, to know that they are needed, deserved the sacrifice that our servicemembers honor those who have served our coun- and earned. pay each day. Whether currently de- try. But let’s go further than that. Let’s ployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, or These brave soldiers fought for our pass together a GI Bill for the 21st cen- wherever they might be around the freedoms and the liberties of our Na- tury, a bill that not only increases the world, serving on active duty or serv- tion around the world, including benefits to a realistic fashion for edu- ing in the Army Reserves or on the Na- France, England, Poland, Vietnam, cation and home loans, but brings in

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We cannot form in defense of this country. programs under the Higher Education neglect mental health, PTSD (post As a nation, we have a sacred pact with all Act of 1965, and for other purposes. traumatic stress disorder), and other those who served in uniform and we owe The Clerk read the title of the bill. mental conditions. While we can deal them a debt of gratitude. The text of the bill is as follows: with the visible wounds a lot easier, we Our country is founded on the principles of H.R. 3927 cannot forget the invisible ones. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- Let us work together to end that democracy, American values and faith that those who fight for freedom will defeat those resentatives of the United States of America in atrocious claims backlog. Over 600,000 Congress assembled, whose cause is unjust. claims for disability compensation are SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. I know I speak for the Nation when I say pending at the VA. People have died This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Third High- while waiting for their claim to be ad- that we stand united behind our courageous er Education Extension Act of 2007’’. judicated. Others have lost their home men and women in uniform. SEC. 2. EXTENSION OF PROGRAMS. because they didn’t have the income. We must be united in seeing that every sol- Section 2(a) of the Higher Education Ex- We can cut through that bureaucracy, dier, sailor, airman and marine is welcomed tension Act of 2005 (Public Law 109–81; 20 not just add, as the budget has, 1,000 back with all the care and compassion this U.S.C. 1001 note) is amended by striking ‘‘Oc- more people, but really look at a whole grateful Nation can bestow. tober 31, 2007’’ and inserting ‘‘April 30, 2008’’. new way, a nonadversarial way of deal- No other group of Americans has stood SEC. 3. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION. ing with the claims for disability. We stronger and braver for our democracy than Nothing in this Act, or in the Higher Edu- can do that. our troops and veterans. cation Extension Act of 2005 as amended by For too many people, VA means Veterans Day should not be observed just this Act, shall be construed to limit or oth- ‘‘veterans adversary.’’ VA should mean erwise alter the authorizations of appropria- once a year—our Nation’s heroes must be tions for, or the durations of, programs con- ‘‘veterans advocate’’. We can do that. celebrated, honored and remembered for their tained in the amendments made by the High- Let us make sure that every young service to our Nation—the whole year through. er Education Reconciliation Act of 2005 (Pub- man and woman that comes back from Veterans have kept their promise to serve lic Law 109–171) and the College Cost Reduc- Iraq and Afghanistan is diagnosed for our Nation—and we, as a free and democratic tion and Access Act of 2007 (P.L. 110–84) to both traumatic brain injury and PTSD, country, must keep our promises to our vet- the provisions of the Higher Education Act post traumatic stress disorder. We are erans. of 1965 and the Taxpayer-Teacher Protection Act of 2004. going to let tens of thousands of young As Chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Com- men and women out of the service mittee, it is my honor to serve the veterans of The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- without adequately understanding this Nation and I encourage my fellow Ameri- ant to the rule, the gentleman from these wounds, some of whose symptoms cans to do the same. Texas (Mr. HINOJOSA) and the gen- are invisible for some time. They are tleman from Florida (Mr. KELLER) each I encourage all Americans to reach out to ticking time bombs that, coming back will control 20 minutes. veterans. Thank them and their families for to society, will create enormous prob- The Chair recognizes the gentleman their amazing sacrifice. Learn more about their lems for our social structure. So let’s from Texas. great contributions to our country and gain the diagnose it. Let’s treat it early. Let’s wisdom of their personal stories of our nation’s GENERAL LEAVE bring the family in. Let’s make sure history. Mr. HINOJOSA. Mr. Speaker, I ask that we have treated the mental illness Americans have learned, again, the truth unanimous consent that all Members that is so prominent in a war like this have 5 legislative days within which to that we are unfortunately pursuing. behind the inscription on the Korean War Me- morial—‘‘Freedom is not free.’’ And no one revise and extend their remarks and in- Let us end homelessness for our vet- clude extraneous material on the bill erans in America. We can do this. This has paid a higher price and sacrifice for our freedom than our veterans. under consideration. is not rocket science. We know what it The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there takes. We have all, as I said earlier, Pause to remember the noble service and objection to the request of the gen- been to Stand-Downs. We know how to high sacrifices of those who have worn this tleman from Texas? bring the community together to give Nation’s uniform. There was no objection. homeless veterans the support they On Veterans Day and the whole year Mr. HINOJOSA. Mr. Speaker, I yield need to reintegrate. And I tell you, we through, join me and take the time to show myself such time as I may consume. are already seeing the problems that your gratitude to those who have answered Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support we saw in Vietnam. We have suicide the call to duty. of H.R. 3927, a bill to extend the Higher rates of our current vets that are the Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance Education Act through April 30, 2008. highest rates since Vietnam. We have of my time. This bill is very straightforward. It homeless Iraqi vets on the street. So ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE simply extends the current programs let us not make the same mistake The SPEAKER pro tempore. The again that we did in Vietnam, but let authorized under the Higher Education Chair would remind all persons in the Act until April 30, 2008, giving us the us remember we have both new vet- gallery that they are here as guests of erans and older veterans. We have to time to fully consider and complete the the House, and that any manifestation reauthorization. serve both. This Nation can do it, we of approval or disapproval of the pro- should do it, and working together, we Mr. Speaker, we are making progress. ceedings or any audible conversation is With bipartisan support and the Presi- will do it. in violation of the rules of the House. Each year on Veterans Day, Americans dent’s signature, we are making a his- The question is on the motion offered come together to honor our Nation’s heroes: toric investment in student financial the 25 million veterans that have served our by the gentleman from California (Mr. aid in the College Cost Reduction and country. FILNER) that the House suspend the Access Act. We have also laid the House Resolution 237 encourages Ameri- rules and agree to the resolution, H. groundwork to reauthorize the other cans to demonstrate their support for vet- Res. 237. core higher education programs, in- erans. It is important to let these heroes know The question was taken; and (two- cluding teacher preparation, devel- that this grateful Nation honors their service to thirds being in the affirmative) the oping and strengthening institutions, our country. rules were suspended and the resolu- college readiness and outreach pro- On this 88th Veterans Day, I urge all Ameri- tion was agreed to. grams, international education pro- cans to take the time to show appreciation to A motion to reconsider was laid on grams, graduate education, and many those who have answered the call to duty. the table. others.

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I look forward to order: critical that the 110th Congress and the working with Ranking Member Concurring in the Senate amendment stakeholders in the higher education MCKEON and Chairmen MILLER and to H.R. 327, by the yeas and nays; community take a fresh look at the HINOJOSA and all of my colleagues on H.R. 1808, by the yeas and nays; law and the recommendations to im- the Education and Labor Committee in H. Res. 680, by the yeas and nays. prove it. completing our work in the coming The vote on H.R. 1955 will be taken We have held a series of congres- months. In the meantime, however, I later today. sional hearings covering the core issues urge my colleagues to join with me in The first electronic vote will be con- of access, affordability, college prepa- supporting this extension. ducted as a 15-minute vote. Remaining ration, teacher preparation, and insti- Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of electronic votes will be conducted as 5- tutional capacity. We put out a call for my time. minute votes. recommendations and received over 85 Mr. HINOJOSA. Mr. Speaker, as my responses from individuals and organi- colleague RIC KELLER pointed out, the f zations from across the Nation. I am last reauthorization took place back in JOSHUA OMVIG VETERANS looking forward to working with all 1998. If we are able to get it done this SUICIDE PREVENTION ACT my colleagues to produce a strong re- year, it will have been almost 10 since authorization that will earn broad sup- that reauthorization. For me, having The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- port. served 11 years in Congress, I have had finished business is the vote on the mo- Mr. Speaker, I would also like to quite a learning curve. I have learned tion to suspend the rules and concur in thank Congressman MCKEON, the rank- the importance by listening to presi- the Senate amendment to the bill, H.R. ing member of the full committee. I dents and chancellors of many of the 327, on which the yeas and nays were would like to thank Congressman RIC institutions of higher learning and re- ordered. KELLER, the ranking member of the alize the importance of us getting this The Clerk read the title of the bill. Subcommittee on Higher Education, job done this session. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Lifelong Learning and Competitive- question is on the motion offered by ness. Also, I wish to thank Chairman Mr. Speaker, it is extremely impor- tant because we are trying to raise the the gentleman from California (Mr. GEORGE MILLER for working together number of students who will be college FILNER) that the House suspend the with all of us to expedite this exten- rules and concur in the Senate amend- sion. I urge all my colleagues to sup- ready. We must have programs that are going to fill the need that we have in ment to the bill, H.R. 327. port this legislation, H.R. 3927. The vote was taken by electronic de- Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of our country for teachers, for scientists, for mathematicians, for all of the dif- vice, and there were—yeas 417, nays 0, my time. not voting 15, as follows: Mr. KELLER of Florida. Mr. Speak- ferent fields that are necessary for our er, I yield myself such time as I may country to enjoy its prosperity. [Roll No. 987] consume. I am working hard with my colleague YEAS—417 Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of H.R. RIC KELLER so that the Higher Edu- Abercrombie Brown (SC) Davis (IL) 3927, a measure to extend programs cation Act is completed on a timely Ackerman Brown, Corrine Davis (KY) Aderholt Brown-Waite, Davis, David under the Higher Education Act, which basis, and one that is going to serve us Akin Ginny Davis, Lincoln are set to expire at the end of this for the next 6 years. Alexander Buchanan Davis, Tom month, for an additional 6 months. With that, I reserve the balance of Allen Burgess Deal (GA) Altmire Burton (IN) DeFazio This is a clean extension. This will my time and would like to ask the gen- Andrews Butterfield DeGette simply change the date required to re- tleman from Florida if he has some Arcuri Buyer Delahunt authorize this law from October 31, other speakers. Baca Calvert DeLauro 2007, until April 30, 2008. I thank my Bachmann Camp (MI) Dent Mr. KELLER of Florida. Mr. Speak- Bachus Campbell (CA) Diaz-Balart, L. committee colleagues, Chairman MIL- er, I have no other speakers and I am Baird Cannon Diaz-Balart, M. LER, Chairman HINOJOSA, and Ranking prepared to close at this time. Baker Cantor Dicks Member MCKEON, for their work on Baldwin Capito Dingell Mr. Speaker, I just want to urge all Barrett (SC) Capps Doggett this bill, as well as their consistent ef- of my colleagues to vote ‘‘yes’’ on H.R. Barrow Capuano Donnelly forts on behalf of our Nation’s college 3927. We believe that a college edu- Bartlett (MD) Cardoza Doolittle students and their families. cation opportunity is the passport out Barton (TX) Carnahan Doyle Mr. Speaker, while I support the ex- Bean Carney Drake of poverty for so many worthy young Becerra Carter Dreier tension of the Higher Education Act, I people. I urge my colleagues to support Berkley Castle Duncan also believe that we need to get on this extension and then later to work Berman Castor Edwards Berry Chabot Ehlers with it at this point and reauthorize together in a bipartisan manner to re- this important law. The last time this Biggert Chandler Ellison authorize the Higher Education Act. Bilbray Clarke Ellsworth law was authorized was when President Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance Bilirakis Clay Emanuel Bill Clinton was in office back in 1998, Bishop (GA) Cleaver Emerson of my time. and it expired in 2004. Bishop (NY) Clyburn Engel We need to work in a bipartisan way Mr. HINOJOSA. Mr. Speaker, I yield Blackburn Coble English (PA) back the balance of my time. Blumenauer Cohen Eshoo to finally reauthorize the Higher Edu- Blunt Cole (OK) Etheridge cation Act. Republicans on the House The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Boehner Conaway Everett Education Committee recently took a question is on the motion offered by Bonner Conyers Fallin the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Bono Cooper Farr positive step in this direction by intro- Boozman Costa Fattah ducing H.R. 3746, The College Access HINOJOSA) that the House suspend the Boren Costello Ferguson and Opportunity Act of 2007. This bill rules and pass the bill, H.R. 3927. Boswell Courtney Filner The question was taken; and (two- Boucher Cramer Flake is an updated version of H.R. 609, the Boustany Crenshaw Forbes Higher Education reauthorization bill thirds being in the affirmative) the Boyd (FL) Crowley Fortenberry that passed the House last Congress rules were suspended and the bill was Boyda (KS) Cuellar Fossella but was not taken up by the Senate. passed. Brady (PA) Culberson Foxx Brady (TX) Cummings Frank (MA) H.R. 3746 would strengthen the Pell A motion to reconsider was laid on Braley (IA) Davis (AL) Franks (AZ) Grant program by providing for year- the table. Broun (GA) Davis (CA) Frelinghuysen

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00038 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.085 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11887 Gallegly Lungren, Daniel Ross Jindal Paul Snyder Giffords Mack Roybal-Allard Garrett (NJ) E. Roybal-Allard Johnson, E. B. Reyes Wilson (OH) Gilchrest Mahoney (FL) Royce Gerlach Lynch Royce McKeon Rothman Young (FL) Gillibrand Maloney (NY) Ruppersberger Giffords Mack Ruppersberger Gingrey Manzullo Rush Gilchrest Mahoney (FL) Rush ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE Gohmert Marchant Ryan (OH) Gillibrand Maloney (NY) Ryan (OH) The SPEAKER pro tempore (during Gonzalez Markey Ryan (WI) Gingrey Manzullo Ryan (WI) the vote). Members are advised there Goode Marshall Salazar Gohmert Marchant Salazar Goodlatte Matheson Sali Gonzalez Markey Sali are 2 minutes remaining in this vote. Gordon Matsui Sa´ nchez, Linda Goode Marshall Sa´ nchez, Linda Granger McCarthy (CA) T. Goodlatte Matheson T. b 1449 Graves McCarthy (NY) Sanchez, Loretta Gordon Matsui Sanchez, Loretta Green, Al McCaul (TX) Sarbanes Granger McCarthy (CA) Sarbanes Mr. HALL of New York changed his Green, Gene McCollum (MN) Saxton Graves McCarthy (NY) Saxton vote from ‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’ Grijalva McCotter Schakowsky Green, Al McCaul (TX) Schakowsky So (two-thirds being in the affirma- Hall (NY) McCrery Schiff Green, Gene McCollum (MN) Schiff tive) the rules were suspended and the Hall (TX) McDermott Schmidt Grijalva McCotter Schmidt Hare McGovern Schwartz Gutierrez McCrery Schwartz Senate amendment was concurred in. Harman McHenry Scott (GA) Hall (NY) McDermott Scott (GA) The result of the vote was announced Hastert McHugh Scott (VA) Hall (TX) McGovern Scott (VA) as above recorded. Hastings (FL) McIntyre Sensenbrenner Hare McHenry Sensenbrenner Hastings (WA) McMorris Serrano Harman McHugh Serrano A motion to reconsider was laid on Hayes Rodgers Sessions Hastings (FL) McIntyre Sessions the table. Heller McNerney Sestak Hastings (WA) McMorris Sestak Hensarling McNulty Shadegg Hayes Rodgers Shadegg f Herseth Sandlin Meek (FL) Shays Heller McNerney Shays Higgins Meeks (NY) Shea-Porter Hensarling McNulty Shea-Porter CHARLIE NORWOOD DEPARTMENT Hill Melancon Sherman Herger Meek (FL) Sherman OF VETERANS AFFAIRS MED- Hinchey Mica Shimkus Herseth Sandlin Meeks (NY) Shimkus Hinojosa Michaud Shuler Higgins Melancon Shuler ICAL CENTER Hirono Miller (FL) Shuster Hill Mica Shuster The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- Hobson Miller (MI) Simpson Hinchey Michaud Simpson Hodes Miller (NC) Sires Hinojosa Miller (FL) Sires finished business is the vote on the mo- Hoekstra Miller, Gary Skelton Hirono Miller (MI) Skelton tion to suspend the rules and pass the Holden Miller, George Slaughter Hobson Miller (NC) Slaughter bill, H.R. 1808, on which the yeas and Holt Mitchell Smith (NE) Hodes Miller, Gary Smith (NE) nays were ordered. Honda Mollohan Smith (NJ) Hoekstra Miller, George Smith (NJ) Hooley Moore (KS) Smith (TX) Holden Mitchell Smith (TX) The Clerk read the title of the bill. Hoyer Moore (WI) Smith (WA) Holt Mollohan Smith (WA) The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Hulshof Moran (KS) Solis Honda Moore (KS) Solis question is on the motion offered by Inglis (SC) Moran (VA) Souder Hooley Moore (WI) Souder Inslee Murphy (CT) Space Hoyer Moran (KS) Space the gentleman from California (Mr. Israel Murphy, Patrick Spratt Hulshof Moran (VA) Spratt FILNER) that the House suspend the Issa Murphy, Tim Stark Inglis (SC) Murphy (CT) Stark rules and pass the bill, H.R. 1808. Jackson (IL) Murtha Stearns Inslee Murphy, Patrick Stearns This will be a 5-minute vote. Jackson-Lee Musgrave Stupak Israel Murphy, Tim Stupak (TX) Myrick Sullivan Issa Murtha Sullivan The vote was taken by electronic de- Jefferson Nadler Sutton Jackson (IL) Musgrave Sutton vice, and there were—yeas 417, nays 0, Johnson (GA) Napolitano Tancredo Jackson-Lee Myrick Tancredo not voting 15, as follows: Johnson (IL) Neal (MA) Tanner (TX) Nadler Tanner Johnson, Sam Neugebauer Tauscher Jefferson Napolitano Tauscher [Roll No. 988] Jones (NC) Nunes Taylor Johnson (GA) Neal (MA) Taylor YEAS—417 Jones (OH) Oberstar Terry Johnson (IL) Neugebauer Terry Jordan Obey Thompson (CA) Johnson, Sam Nunes Thompson (CA) Abercrombie Brown, Corrine Davis, David Kagen Olver Thompson (MS) Jones (NC) Oberstar Thompson (MS) Ackerman Brown-Waite, Davis, Lincoln Kanjorski Ortiz Thornberry Jones (OH) Obey Thornberry Aderholt Ginny Davis, Tom Kaptur Pallone Tiahrt Jordan Olver Tiahrt Akin Buchanan Deal (GA) Keller Pascrell Tiberi Kagen Ortiz Tiberi Alexander Burgess DeFazio Kennedy Pastor Tierney Kanjorski Pallone Tierney Allen Burton (IN) DeGette Kildee Payne Towns Kaptur Pascrell Towns Altmire Butterfield Delahunt Kilpatrick Pearce Tsongas Keller Pastor Tsongas Andrews Buyer DeLauro Kind Pence Turner Kennedy Payne Turner Arcuri Calvert Dent King (IA) Perlmutter Udall (CO) Kildee Pearce Udall (CO) Baca Camp (MI) Diaz-Balart, L. King (NY) Peterson (MN) Udall (NM) Kilpatrick Pence Udall (NM) Bachmann Campbell (CA) Diaz-Balart, M. Kingston Peterson (PA) Upton Kind Perlmutter Upton Bachus Cannon Dicks Kirk Petri Van Hollen King (IA) Peterson (MN) Van Hollen Baird Cantor Dingell Klein (FL) Pickering Vela´ zquez King (NY) Peterson (PA) Vela´ zquez Baker Capito Doggett Kline (MN) Pitts Visclosky Kingston Petri Visclosky Baldwin Capps Donnelly Knollenberg Platts Walberg Kirk Pickering Walberg Barrett (SC) Capuano Doolittle Kucinich Poe Walden (OR) Klein (FL) Pitts Walden (OR) Barrow Cardoza Doyle Kuhl (NY) Pomeroy Walsh (NY) Kline (MN) Platts Walsh (NY) Bartlett (MD) Carnahan Drake LaHood Porter Walz (MN) Knollenberg Poe Walz (MN) Barton (TX) Carney Dreier Lamborn Price (GA) Wamp Kucinich Pomeroy Wamp Bean Carter Duncan Lampson Price (NC) Wasserman Kuhl (NY) Porter Wasserman Becerra Castle Edwards Langevin Pryce (OH) Schultz LaHood Price (GA) Schultz Berkley Castor Ehlers Lantos Putnam Waters Lamborn Price (NC) Waters Berman Chabot Ellison Larsen (WA) Radanovich Watson Lampson Pryce (OH) Watson Berry Chandler Ellsworth Larson (CT) Rahall Watt Langevin Putnam Watt Biggert Clarke Emanuel Latham Ramstad Waxman Lantos Radanovich Waxman Bilbray Clay Emerson LaTourette Rangel Weiner Larsen (WA) Rahall Weiner Bilirakis Cleaver Engel Lee Regula Welch (VT) Larson (CT) Ramstad Welch (VT) Bishop (GA) Clyburn English (PA) Levin Rehberg Weldon (FL) Latham Rangel Weldon (FL) Bishop (NY) Coble Eshoo Lewis (CA) Reichert Weller LaTourette Regula Weller Blackburn Cohen Etheridge Lewis (GA) Renzi Westmoreland Lee Rehberg Westmoreland Blumenauer Cole (OK) Everett Lewis (KY) Reynolds Wexler Levin Reichert Wexler Blunt Conaway Fallin Linder Richardson Whitfield Lewis (CA) Renzi Whitfield Boehner Conyers Farr Lipinski Rodriguez Wicker Lewis (GA) Reynolds Wicker Bonner Cooper Fattah LoBiondo Rogers (AL) Wilson (NM) Lewis (KY) Richardson Wilson (NM) Bono Costa Ferguson Loebsack Rogers (KY) Wilson (SC) Linder Rodriguez Wilson (SC) Boozman Costello Filner Lofgren, Zoe Rogers (MI) Wolf Lipinski Rogers (AL) Wolf Boren Courtney Flake Lowey Rohrabacher Woolsey LoBiondo Rogers (KY) Woolsey Boswell Cramer Forbes Lucas Ros-Lehtinen Wu Loebsack Rogers (MI) Wu Boucher Crenshaw Fortenberry Lungren, Daniel Roskam Wynn Lofgren, Zoe Rohrabacher Wynn Boustany Crowley Fossella E. Ross Yarmuth Lowey Ros-Lehtinen Yarmuth Boyd (FL) Cuellar Foxx Lynch Rothman Young (AK) Lucas Roskam Young (AK) Boyda (KS) Culberson Frank (MA) Brady (PA) Cummings Franks (AZ) NOT VOTING—15 NOT VOTING—15 Brady (TX) Davis (AL) Frelinghuysen Bishop (UT) Feeney Hunter Braley (IA) Davis (CA) Gallegly Carson Gutierrez Jindal Bishop (UT) Cubin Hastert Broun (GA) Davis (IL) Garrett (NJ) Cubin Herger Johnson, E. B. Carson Feeney Hunter Brown (SC) Davis (KY) Gerlach

VerDate Aug 31 2005 04:52 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00039 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.023 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11888 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 McKeon Reyes Wilson (OH) Gilchrest Mack Royce Jindal Paul Wilson (OH) Paul Snyder Young (FL) Gillibrand Mahoney (FL) Ruppersberger Johnson, E. B. Reyes Young (FL) Gingrey Maloney (NY) Rush McKeon Snyder ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE Gohmert Manzullo Ryan (OH) The SPEAKER pro tempore (during Gonzalez Marchant Ryan (WI) ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE the vote). Members are advised there Goode Markey Salazar The SPEAKER pro tempore (during are 2 minutes remaining in this vote. Goodlatte Marshall Sali the vote). Members are advised there Gordon Matheson Sa´ nchez, Linda are 2 minutes left in this vote. Granger Matsui T. b 1458 Graves McCarthy (CA) Sanchez, Loretta b 1505 So (two-thirds being in the affirma- Green, Al McCarthy (NY) Sarbanes Green, Gene McCaul (TX) Saxton So (two-thirds being in the affirma- tive) the rules were suspended and the Grijalva McCollum (MN) Schakowsky tive) the rules were suspended and the bill was passed. Gutierrez McCotter Schiff The result of the vote was announced Hall (NY) McCrery Schmidt resolution was agreed to. as above recorded. Hall (TX) McDermott Schwartz The result of the vote was announced Hare McGovern Scott (GA) as above recorded. A motion to reconsider was laid on Harman McHenry Scott (VA) Hastert McHugh A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. Sensenbrenner Hastings (FL) McIntyre Serrano the table. Hastings (WA) McMorris f Sessions Stated for: Hayes Rodgers Sestak Heller McNerney Mr. BONNER. Mr. Speaker, due to an error, CONDEMNING THE ACTIONS OF Shadegg Hensarling McNulty I failed to cast a vote on rollcall 939. Had I SEPTEMBER 7, 2007, RESULTING Shays Herger Meek (FL) cast a vote, I would have voted ‘‘yea’’ on roll- IN DAMAGE TO THE VIETNAM Herseth Sandlin Meeks (NY) Shea-Porter VETERANS WAR MEMORIAL Higgins Melancon Sherman call 989. Shimkus Hill Mica f The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- Hinchey Michaud Shuler Shuster finished business is the vote on the mo- Hinojosa Miller (FL) PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION tion to suspend the rules and agree to Hirono Miller (MI) Simpson Hobson Miller (NC) Sires OF H.R. 1011, VIRGINIA RIDGE the resolution, H. Res. 680, on which Hodes Miller, Gary Skelton AND VALLEY ACT OF 2007 the yeas and nays were ordered. Hoekstra Miller, George Slaughter The Clerk read the title of the resolu- Holden Mitchell Smith (NE) Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, by di- tion. Holt Mollohan Smith (NJ) rection of the Committee on Rules, I Honda Moore (KS) Smith (TX) call up House Resolution 763 and ask The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Hooley Moore (WI) Smith (WA) question is on the motion offered by Hoyer Moran (KS) Solis for its immediate consideration. the gentleman from California (Mr. Hulshof Moran (VA) Souder The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- Inglis (SC) Murphy (CT) Space lows: FILNER) that the House suspend the Inslee Murphy, Patrick Spratt rules and agree to the resolution, H. Israel Murphy, Tim Stark H. RES. 763 Res. 680. Issa Murtha Stearns Resolved, That upon the adoption of this This will be a 5-minute vote. Jackson (IL) Musgrave Stupak resolution it shall be in order to consider in Jackson-Lee Myrick The vote was taken by electronic de- Sullivan the House the bill (H.R. 1011) to designate ad- (TX) Nadler Sutton ditional National Forest System lands in the vice, and there were—yeas 418, nays 0, Jefferson Napolitano Tancredo State of Virginia as wilderness or a wilder- not voting 14, as follows: Johnson (GA) Neal (MA) Tanner Johnson (IL) Neugebauer ness study area, to designate the Kimberling [Roll No. 989] Tauscher Johnson, Sam Nunes Taylor Creek Potential Wilderness Area for even- YEAS—418 Jones (NC) Oberstar Terry tual incorporation in the Kimberling Creek Jones (OH) Obey Abercrombie Brown-Waite, Davis, Lincoln Thompson (CA) Wilderness, to establish the Seng Mountain Jordan Olver Thompson (MS) and Bear Creek Scenic Areas, to provide for Ackerman Ginny Davis, Tom Kagen Ortiz Thornberry the development of trail plans for the wilder- Aderholt Buchanan Deal (GA) Kanjorski Pallone Tiahrt Akin Burgess DeFazio Kaptur Pascrell ness areas and scenic areas, and for other Tiberi Alexander Burton (IN) DeGette Keller Pastor purposes. All points of order against consid- Tierney Allen Butterfield Delahunt Kennedy Payne eration of the bill are waived except those Towns Altmire Buyer DeLauro Kildee Pearce arising under clause 9 or 10 of rule XXI. The Tsongas Andrews Calvert Dent Kilpatrick Pence Turner amendment in the nature of a substitute rec- Arcuri Camp (MI) Diaz-Balart, L. Kind Perlmutter Baca Campbell (CA) Diaz-Balart, M. Udall (CO) ommended by the Committee on Natural Re- King (IA) Peterson (MN) sources now printed in the bill shall be con- Bachmann Cannon Dicks King (NY) Peterson (PA) Udall (NM) Bachus Cantor Dingell Kingston Petri Upton sidered as adopted. The bill, as amended, Baird Capito Doggett Kirk Pickering Van Hollen shall be considered as read. All points of ´ Baker Capps Donnelly Klein (FL) Pitts Velazquez order against provisions of the bill, as Baldwin Capuano Doolittle Kline (MN) Platts Visclosky amended, are waived. The previous question Barrett (SC) Cardoza Doyle Walberg Knollenberg Poe shall be considered as ordered on the bill, as Barrow Carnahan Drake Kucinich Pomeroy Walden (OR) Bartlett (MD) Carney Dreier Walsh (NY) amended, to final passage without inter- Kuhl (NY) Porter vening motion except: (1) one hour of debate Barton (TX) Carter Duncan LaHood Price (GA) Walz (MN) Bean Castle Edwards Lamborn Price (NC) Wamp equally divided and controlled by the chair- Becerra Castor Ehlers Lampson Pryce (OH) Wasserman man and ranking minority member of the Berkley Chabot Ellison Langevin Putnam Schultz Committee on Natural Resources; (2) the Berman Chandler Ellsworth Lantos Radanovich Waters amendment printed in the report of the Com- Berry Clarke Emanuel Larsen (WA) Rahall Watson mittee on Rules, if offered by Representative Biggert Clay Emerson Larson (CT) Ramstad Watt Bilbray Cleaver Engel Waxman Goodlatte of Virginia or his designee, which Latham Rangel shall be in order without intervention of any Bilirakis Clyburn English (PA) LaTourette Regula Weiner Bishop (GA) Coble Eshoo Lee Rehberg Welch (VT) point of order (except those arising under Bishop (NY) Cohen Etheridge Levin Reichert Weldon (FL) clause 9 or 10 of rule XXI) or demand for divi- Blackburn Cole (OK) Everett Lewis (CA) Renzi Weller sion of the question, shall be considered as Blumenauer Conaway Fallin Lewis (GA) Reynolds Westmoreland read, and shall be separately debatable for Blunt Conyers Farr Lewis (KY) Richardson Wexler Boehner Cooper Fattah ten minutes equally divided and controlled Linder Rodriguez Whitfield by the proponent and an opponent; and (3) Bono Costa Ferguson Wicker Lipinski Rogers (AL) one motion to recommit with or without in- Boozman Costello Filner LoBiondo Rogers (KY) Wilson (NM) Boren Courtney Flake Loebsack Rogers (MI) Wilson (SC) structions. Boswell Cramer Forbes Lofgren, Zoe Rohrabacher Wolf SEC. 2. During consideration of H.R. 1011 Boucher Crenshaw Fortenberry Lowey Ros-Lehtinen Woolsey pursuant to this resolution, notwithstanding Boustany Crowley Fossella Lucas Roskam Wu the operation of the previous question, the Boyd (FL) Cuellar Foxx Lungren, Daniel Ross Wynn Boyda (KS) Culberson Frank (MA) Chair may postpone further consideration of E. Rothman Yarmuth the bill to such time as may be designated by Brady (PA) Cummings Franks (AZ) Lynch Roybal-Allard Young (AK) Brady (TX) Davis (AL) Frelinghuysen the Speaker. Braley (IA) Davis (CA) Gallegly NOT VOTING—14 The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Broun (GA) Davis (IL) Garrett (NJ) Brown (SC) Davis (KY) Gerlach Bishop (UT) Carson Feeney tleman from California is recognized Brown, Corrine Davis, David Giffords Bonner Cubin Hunter for 1 hour.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00040 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.022 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11889 Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, for the Mountain Bicycling Association and across this Jefferson National Forest purposes of debate only, I yield the cus- local bear hunters also support this in Virginia. tomary 30 minutes to the gentleman bill. Besides the private land owners and from Texas, my friend, Mr. SESSIONS. Finally, I would like to thank Chair- homeowners adjacent to this land, All time yielded during the consider- man RAHALL and Mr. BOUCHER for their other losers created by this legislation ation of the rule is for debate only. dedication and hard work in bringing include a number of animal species GENERAL LEAVE this legislation to the floor today so covered by the Endangered Species Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I ask that we can ensure that America’s Act, including bats and bears. Cur- unanimous consent that all Members most treasured resources are protected rently, several of the proposed wilder- have 5 legislative days within which to once again for future generations. ness areas added by this legislation are revise and extend their remarks on Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of professionally managed to maintain House Resolution 763. my time. threatened endangered and sensitive The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there Mr. SESSIONS. I thank the gen- species habitat. By passing the legisla- objection to the request of the gen- tleman from California for yielding me tion under this rule, Congress will be tleman from California? time. preventing the Forest Service from There was no objection. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to using the equipment that they need to Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I yield this structured rule and to a number of comply with the Endangered Species myself such time as I may consume. provisions included in the underlying Act. House Resolution 763 provides for provision in its current form. I oppose This makes no sense, Mr. Speaker. It consideration of H.R. 1011, the Virginia this legislation because it substitutes makes absolutely no sense why this Ridge and Valley Act of 2007, under a the deliberate and long-studied rec- new Democrat majority throws aside structured rule. The rule provides for 1 ommendation of well-trained Forest not only the expressed opportunities hour of general debate equally divided Service professionals with a purely po- that the Forest Service have given us and controlled by the chairman and litical congressional action by desig- to understand proper management, but ranking member of the Committee on nating 27,000 additional acres, which they will override professionals who Natural Resources. are land in the Forest Service today, as have studied this and do this for a liv- The rule makes in order the sub- wilderness, beyond the Forest Service ing. stitute reported by the Committee on recommendation of 16,000 acres in Perhaps worst of all, Mr. Speaker, be- Natural Resources and makes in order southwestern Virginia’s Jefferson Na- cause this draconian ‘‘wilderness’’ des- the amendment from the gentleman tional Forest. ignation prevents any road or trails from Virginia (Mr. GOODLATTE), the This means that despite having spent from being improved in these areas, a only amendment which was submitted millions of congressionally appro- number of our Nation’s most vulner- to the Committee on Rules for consid- priated tax dollars and investing tens able populations such as the elderly eration on this rule. of thousands in on-the-ground Federal and disabled will be effectively pre- The rule waives all points of order employee hours on studying this issue, vented from accessing and enjoying against consideration of the bill, ex- the Democrat leadership will simply this piece of America under this bill. It cept for clause 9 and 10 of rule XXI. Fi- override the Forest Service’s well-rea- absolutely makes no sense, Mr. Speak- nally, the rule provides one motion to soned decision to force this additional er. recommit with or without instructions. acreage into wilderness status. This I’m sorry we’re having to be on the The bill before us today, H.R. 1011, also, despite the fact that many of the floor today to take this position, be- designates 43,000 acres as wilderness areas proposed in this legislation do cause the Republican Party is in favor and nearly 12,000 acres as national sce- not meet the standards of the 1964 Wil- of our national parks, is in favor of nic areas in the Jefferson National For- derness Act, including roads, utility people utilizing our national parks, and est in southwestern Virginia. The areas corridors, mountain biking areas, and a we view these areas as very historic in the Jefferson National Forest that Federal Aviation Administration areas that we want to preserve and are protected by this bill are some of tower. These should not be considered make right and keep them. the most beautiful areas of the coun- within wilderness area, and yet, today, Mr. Speaker, this is bad public pol- try. The areas offer numerous rec- that’s exactly what is happening. icy. I oppose this structured rule and reational activities, including fishing, Today’s bill makes private land- the underlying legislation. hunting, hiking, camping, canoeing, owners to the area vulnerable to the I reserve the balance of my time. horseback riding and skiing. These Jefferson National Forest Plan ulti- Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 areas are virtually priceless and pro- mate goal of obtaining all private minute to the gentlewoman from Cali- vide much-needed opportunities for lands within these expanded wilderness fornia, an esteemed environmentalist visitors and families to spend time in boundaries, including 722 total acres of and champion for our national re- the great outdoors and enjoying Amer- outstanding privately held mineral sources, the Speaker of the House, Ms. ica’s natural beauty. rights. PELOSI. H.R. 1011 ensures that critical habi- What is even worse is that thousands Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, I thank tat for bears, song birds, wild turkeys, of acres in this proposed wilderness the gentleman for yielding, and I thank brook trout, and other species, in addi- area are at high risk for wildfire and him for bringing this rule to the floor tion to preserving countless stands of require mechanical thinning for proper that will enable us to vote for this im- old growth, a 45-foot cascading water- fire risk mitigation. Many of these portant bipartisan bill which has broad fall, and breathtaking scenic views areas are next to the small commu- support, H.R. 1011, the Virginia Ridge that encompass wide areas. Preserving nities that will be placed at even great- and Valley Act of 2007. this habitat is also critical for the er risk of catastrophic wild fires if this I commend our colleague, Mr. BOU- economy, as tourism is the fattest land is not managed properly. CHER, for his persistent and relentless growing industry in the region. leadership on this legislation. In ad- Each of these areas contained in H.R. b 1515 vancing this, Mr. BOUCHER, you have 1011 were either recommended as part So even as the threat posed by advanced the cause of protecting our of the Jefferson National Forest plan wildfires to American communities all existing wilderness, and all of us who or have been endorsed by the relevant across this country is fresh on our care about the wilderness and our park county boards of supervisors in the minds, as we watch with great concern lands are deeply in your debt. local areas. The bill has broad bipar- and sympathy the unbelievable damage As we come to the floor, though, tisan support from five other Rep- these wildfires are inflicting on South- today, Mr. Speaker, I do want to call resentatives from Virginia, both Vir- ern California, nonetheless, the Demo- additional attention of my colleagues ginia Senators, Governor Tim Kaine crat leadership of this House has de- that as we gather here this afternoon, and four county boards of supervisors. cided that the best course of action is wildfires are raging in my home State Local businesses and State organiza- to extremely limit and outright pro- of California. The President has de- tions, faith groups, the International hibit commonsense reduction activities clared an emergency. I hope that it will

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00041 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.094 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11890 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 be limited to that. But the way the fire tle and save the property and the lives have problems when you’re not able to is raging, I’m afraid it may come to the in California. take care of the endangered species point of a major disaster. The Governor Mr. Speaker, for perhaps the same that are in there and properly protect of California, Governor Schwarzeneg- reason that the gentlewoman from them, because it will have that wilder- ger, has just reported that 750 homes California has come down to join in ness designation. have been totally destroyed, 68,000 this discussion today, perhaps with an And so with great respect for the homes are endangered; 250,000 acres of opposite result, I, too, am down on the same purpose that the gentlewoman land, an area the size of the entire City floor to talk about how wise manage- from California came to notify us and of New York, has been devastated by ment of our natural resources, of our to remember what America’s paying the fire, much of it wilderness areas. Parks Service, is important. You don’t attention to today, the wildfires in And in addition to that, 365,000 people have to go back really as far as Teddy California, I would say we need that have been evacuated from their homes. Roosevelt to understand what Teddy same sort of vision to avoid what could In any consideration of what is hap- Roosevelt saw, that this great Nation be in the time of drought or in the time pening there, it’s very important to sa- had the abundance of beautiful wood- of misdeed because of perhaps a light- lute our firefighters for their courage lands, hills, mountains, streams, the ning storm, something that’s an unin- and their tireless, tireless effort to end acreage included within that, the beau- tended consequence, and that is to take this fire, which is a tough battle be- tiful animals, the birds, the fish, the this area and to move it into wilder- cause of the winds and, hopefully, they wolves that were a part of our land- ness means that it will not receive or will die down soon. It is possible that if scape. And that’s why national parks be able to receive the same kind of reg- the fire continues to rage, we may have were created. National parks were cre- ular work that happens to protect to appeal to the President to declare ated with an opportunity for the Fed- these wilderness areas and national this a major disaster and therefore eral Government to have a chance to parks from destruction of a fire. I eliminate any capping of support that allow people to come and see this great think it’s a bad idea. we would have for California, and that country, to see the beautiful country I think it’s also a bad idea any time would have implications, as we know, that we had. politicians in Washington, D.C. for po- for other fires that may occur in our As a young man growing up and litical purposes decide to overrule com- country. scouting, I remember well the oppor- mon sense. So this is when the American people tunity that I had to not only visit na- Mr. Speaker, at this time I would look to government to step up to the tional parks, but a chance to get what like to yield 5 minutes to the ranking plate and to be there for them. The is called the Forestry Merit Badge. And member of the Rules Committee, the firefighters are doing their share. The even back in 1965 or 1966, when I was re- gentleman from San Dimas, California people are acting in a very responsible ceiving this badge, I remember, this is (Mr. DREIER). way in the evacuations. The local gov- not the term that was used, best prac- (Mr. DREIER asked and was given ernment is doing well, according to tices, but one has become used as a permission to revise and extend his re- what the Governor says and, of course, term of best practice and that is, wise marks.) the State of California has this as an management of our forests to not only Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I thank emergency of the highest, highest sustain them, but to protect them, and my friend from Dallas for yielding. order. So far they have been able to to protect the animals and all that Mr. Speaker, I come to the well for avail themselves of whatever is avail- lives and counts on that forest sur- the exact same reason that our Cali- able from the Federal Government. We viving. We’ve learned these wise man- fornia colleague, the distinguished may have to expand on that if the fires agement techniques, not just in scout- Speaker of the House, Ms. PELOSI, has continue to rage. ing to get the Forestry Merit Badge, taken time, and that is to talk about But to those who have suffered per- but we have learned them through the what many have described as probably sonal losses, whether it’s the loss of a years. We’ve learned that sometimes the worst fire that has ever hit South- loved one, personal injury, loss of their unwise management and doing things ern California. homes and their communities, I extend to our park system, in fact, caused I was just talking to the dean of our the deepest sympathy and the fullest more damage than it did good. delegation, Mr. LEWIS, who is going to support as Speaker of the House of I remember back with the fires that be returning to California. I know a Representatives. we had in Yellowstone, how the Na- number of our colleagues have gone With that, again, I urge my col- tional Park Service said just let it now. He represents the Lake Arrow- leagues to support Mr. BOUCHER’s bi- burn, it is a fire created by an act of head area where Governor partisan legislation to protect the Vir- God. But they really, as a result of Schwarzenegger and other elected offi- ginia wilderness, and in advance of any that, learned that they had to learn a cials are looking at this situation. needs that we may have for the better practice to save millions of As the Speaker pointed out, 365,000 wildfires in California, inform my col- acres and millions of animals that people have been evacuated from their leagues of the extent of the damage could be destroyed. homes, and literally hundreds of thou- that we know to date and the need that Well, part of that best practice is sands of acres have been burned. And we have for support. This compact be- what the National Park Service is at- Mr. LEWIS just reminded me that one tween the people and the Federal Gov- tempting to do right now and has been of the things that we can be extraor- ernment is never called upon more attempting to do in this national park dinarily grateful for is that we have strongly than in time of a natural dis- today. It is against their recommenda- been able to learn from previous fires aster of this kind. tion that politically we override the how to deal with this. For example, Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. Speaker, I appre- best practices, the best thoughts and we’ve had an increase in the number of ciate the gentlewoman from Califor- ideas that people have who manage our what are known as the Mobile Airborne nia’s words about the tragedies that park system, who do see the balance, Firefighting System aircraft, the are occurring. Not only for the past few who are there every day with the care- MAFS, which are going to be coming days, but also, as always, anytime ful consideration. from other States. And we, as Califor- there’s a wildfire, people who get in the By designating this area, an exten- nians, are very grateful for the fact way, the brave men and women of the sive amount of area, as wilderness, it that other States are working with us National Park Service and others who means that arbitrarily, we’re taking to deal with California’s challenge in go to help fight those fires, I know the something that would never qualify this time of need. Nation is at this time very focused on under the intended statutes and add it There are other environmental issues the lives and the property and the ef- in. I think this is unwise. This is how with which we’ve had to contend, the fort that is going on in California. you do have problems. This is how you bark beetle that Mr. LEWIS just men- With great respect, I too, join the do have fires that burn out of control tioned, and making sure that we are gentlewoman from California for ex- when you’re not able to come in and able to go in and clean up areas which pressing our sincere appreciation for protect the forest properly as a result create the potential for fire. And so the firefighters who are trying to bat- of this designation. This is how you we’ve learned a lot from the horrible

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00042 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.095 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11891 circumstances that we have faced in At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would the wilderness areas, recreational ac- the past. And I’m convinced, Mr. like to yield 4 minutes to the gen- tivities such as hunting, fishing, camp- Speaker that we will, in fact, learn tleman from Virginia (Mr. MORAN). ing, canoeing, kayaking, swimming, from this tragedy as well. Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Speak- picnicking, backpacking, bird watch- Our thoughts and prayers are with er, I thank my colleague Mr. CARDOZA ing, horseback riding, cross-country those who have lost their homes. And if from California for yielding. skiing, snowshoeing, spelunking, rock there is any kind of silver lining, when I also want to express solidarity with climbing, and so many other outdoor you think about the fact that 365,000 the concerns and expressions of sym- activities are allowed and, in fact, en- people have been evacuated, hundreds pathy expressed by the Speaker for the couraged. So it is not that the public of thousands of acres, countless struc- residents of California who are so af- can’t be fully and actively engaged in tures in the hundreds have been oblit- flicted by this terribly uncontrollable enjoying this land. But motorized traf- erated, and yet the report now is that act of nature. I know the entire Con- fic will be permitted only in certain there is only one loss of life. And obvi- gress, if they had the opportunity, circumstances in the 12,000 acres that ously there are a number of firefighters would want to stand up and speak out have been designated as national scenic who have been injured. According to a on behalf of those very same senti- areas. report I just saw on the television, an- ments. This legislation, though, will protect other 25 individuals have been injured, We hope they can get that fire under the recreational, historic, and natural and our thoughts and prayers are with control and that the people that have resources in the delineated areas in a them. But we are very grateful for been displaced are able to find other manner that is generally similar to the those who have stepped up. housing and some safety. It’s certainly protections wilderness status affords. one of the worst natural disasters. b 1530 By finding consensus, this bill has won None of us can imagine what it would the endorsement of all the local gov- Governor Schwarzenegger just, Mr. be like to be in the line of fire. ernments and the counties that it Mr. Speaker, my primary purpose for Speaker, talked about the fact that at would affect. It is supported by a broad rising today is to express support for this time of need, calling on those in array of businesses and chambers of the legislation that has been intro- the grocer industry and a wide range of commerce and enjoys broad support duced by my good friend and Virginia others coming in and providing water, from conservation organizations. colleague Congressman RICK BOUCHER. diapers, baby formula, other foodstuffs So I encourage all of my colleagues It’s an extraordinary proposal for what that are necessary for those who have on both sides of the aisle to support it accomplishes in the way of conserva- been evacuated and those who are en- this bill. It’s a fine bill, and I congratu- tion and wilderness protection but also gaged in firefighting is something that late Mr. BOUCHER for bringing it for- for the collaborative effort it rep- has really been remarkable, as our ward. resents to bring different public land Governor just said. Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. Speaker, as the uses together to the table and craft a And, Mr. Speaker, I have to tell you entire country is focused upon Cali- proposal that almost everybody can that one of the things that I have been fornia fires, the disasters that are oc- and does support. In fact, Republican struck with is that, while some people curring and the heroic efforts of the Senator JOHN WARNER, the dean of our try to make things like this partisan, firefighters, the people who live in delegation, has sponsored it over on we are coming together as a State dele- California are working together, com- gation to deal with this. As I said, a the Senate side. The Virginia Ridge and Valley Act munity activities, the entire country number of our colleagues have already will protect nearly 43,000 acres of the has been called into action. And I’m gone to California. I know some mem- Jefferson National Forest in south- sure every single one of us, as not only bers of the San Diego delegation, be- western Virginia as wilderness or wil- Members of Congress but just as proud cause that area has been hit particu- derness study areas and another 12,000 Americans, want to respond in a way larly hard, have already gone. acres as scenic areas. that is appropriate. So, Mr. Speaker, I would simply like Today, wilderness designations are The gentleman who represents a vast to express my appreciation to those often very controversial. That’s be- area that is included within those who are on the front lines and to say, cause our public lands are visited more wildfires is with us now. He’s the gen- as our Governor has, again, we have all frequently by a much more diverse and tleman from California (Mr. LEWIS). I come together to try to provide assist- engaged public, a public that now holds would like to yield him 10 minutes at ance, and the one thing we need to do very different views oftentimes and ex- this time. now is pray for an improvement in pectations on how the public land Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Speak- both the wind and create the potential should be used. As a result, we have er, I very much appreciate my col- for some rain, if that’s at all possible, seen fewer and fewer wilderness des- league’s yielding me the time. to help provide some kind of relief, and ignations work their way through Con- I will not use anywhere near 10 min- to again state that at this time of dis- gress. That’s unfortunate because sav- utes. But let me say that my col- aster we want every level of govern- ing some of our last pristine public leagues have already expressed their ment as well as individuals to continue lands from resource extraction is an support for the phenomenal work that to work together, and I am convinced obligation and should, in fact, be a leg- has taken place over the recent years that we will be able to. acy we can pass on to future genera- as we have learned from past tragedies Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I would tions. like this. The law enforcement offi- like to say that I share the comments My colleague from Virginia, however, cials, local government, the State peo- of our prior speakers. Both the Speaker is a very persistent colleague. And the ple with the Forestry Service in Cali- of the House and the gentleman from time that he and the conservation com- fornia, and the U.S. Forestry Service California spoke eloquently about the munity have invested to find middle have been truly phenomenal. We have disasters that are happening in our ground and build a consensus to sup- learned an awful lot. But I would men- home State. It is certainly a time of port this legislation is a model that tion two things. great need and a great need for us to other conservation groups around the The first is that in terms of man- come together to figure out how we country should look to to enact wilder- aging our forests, we usually find our proceed from here to battle this rage. ness legislation. It can be done, but it way very quickly to develop those dol- I see Mr. LEWIS in the audience, and takes that kind of commitment, per- lars that are necessary following a fire I have been to his district at a hearing sistent dedication that Mr. BOUCHER to respond to the immediate tragedy. about this very topic, and I know the has shown. Those dollars seem to flow almost upon serious nature of some of the forest This legislation will protect the sce- our call. The dollars that, on the other management issues that are around his nic and undisturbed character of pris- hand, are much more difficult are those district and we have discussed it on nu- tine areas of the Jefferson National that involve managing the forest long merous occasions. And our sympathies Forest. term. It is so important that we recog- are with you and those of your con- Now, while all terrain and four- nize that the U.S. Forestry Service stituents, Mr. LEWIS. wheel-drive vehicles are prohibited in does all that they can, but they know

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00043 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.097 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11892 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 full well that the great difficulty of that I may amend the rule to have pointment of conferees, the Conference Com- getting the money for managing that Speaker PELOSI, in consultation with mittee, or passage of a Conference Report? We are now in the new fiscal year with no which makes up the ground fire that Republican Leader BOEHNER, imme- idea when the Mil Con-VA appropriations can destroy a forest, literally can oblit- diately appoint conferees to H.R. 2642, will be passed. If history repeats itself, this erate this territory when we are look- the Military Construction and Vet- standoff may last well into the second quar- ing, must be a part of our Federal re- erans Affairs Appropriations bill for ter of the fiscal year. This uncertainty is dis- sponsibility. 2008. turbing to not only The American Legion There is little doubt that we will Yesterday a number of news publica- and other veterans’ and military service or- overcome this tragedy. Hundreds and tions, including Roll Call, reported ganizations, but to every veteran who is de- hundreds of homes lost in my own dis- that the Democrat leadership intends pendent on VA for timely access to quality health care, earned benefits, and other serv- trict in and around Lake Arrowhead, to hold off sending appropriations bills ices provided by a grateful nation. California, tragedies for each of those to President Bush so that they can use Madam Speaker, the newest generation of families. But I would say beyond re- an upcoming anticipated veto of the wartime veterans are reporting to VA med- membering that we must find the Labor-HHS appropriations bill to serve ical facilities every day as troops are return- money for managing the forests. We as ‘‘an extension of their successful ing from deployments to Iraq and Afghani- also should talk to our constituents public relations campaign on the State stan. Some will be determined to be service- about the fact that when faced with a connected disabled because of medical condi- Children’s Health Insurance Program.’’ tions incurred or aggravated while on active- fire tragedy, the first thing that all of While the Democrat leadership plays duty. Others may very well have invisible our people should do is to respond to politics on this issue, however, our Na- scars that need attention as soon as possible. those warnings that suggest, when they tion’s veterans are paying the price. As VA welcomes new patients, the existing are called to evacuate, to evacuate. For every day that the Democrats patient population cannot be ignored nor One life lost is too many, and the dan- allow the veterans funding bill to lan- should their health care be rationed due to ger of attempting to overcome a fire guish without conferees for their own limited available resources. There are vet- near your home, indeed, is a critical political agenda, our Nation’s veterans erans dependent on VA as their life-support system. decision. I would urge all of our citi- lose $18.5 million, which could be used The American Legion represents 2.6 mil- zens who are faced with this difficulty for veterans health care, veterans lion wartime veterans, but also speaks for to respond to those calls for evacu- housing, and other important support the 24 million veterans of the United States ation. activities for veterans and their fami- Armed Forces and their families. With that, I appreciate very much lies. Please continue the appropriations proc- my colleagues’ response to our tragedy I would like to repeat that. Every ess—name conferees, convene the Conference and I appreciate very much their help. Committee, and pass the Conference Report. single day there is $18.5 million that is Sincerely, Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I yield lost for our veterans and their families. Marty Conatser, National Commander; myself such time as I may consume. On October 18, the American Legion Thomas L. Burns, Jr. (DE), National I just wish to again give my deepest National Commander Marty J. Vice Commander; Randall A. Fisher condolences to the folks who have lost Conaster, five national vice com- (KY), National Vice Commander; David their property in your district, Mr. manders, and all 55 Legion National A. Korth (WI), National Vice Com- LEWIS. As you have said, we have trav- Executive Committee members sent mander; James L. Van Horn (AK), Na- tional Executive Committeeman; Ross eled there and had hearings, and, Speaker PELOSI a letter pleading with Rogers (AK), National Executive Com- frankly, with all the dry timber that her to put partisanship aside and pro- was left behind there, we were fearful mitteeman; Peggy G. Dettori (AK), Na- vide this funding now for our veterans tional Vice Commander; Donald Hay- that that would have happened a cou- and troops. den (MN), National Vice Commander; ple of years ago, and I understand it’s b 1545 Floyd W. Turner (AL), National Execu- happening as we speak. And hopefully tive Committeeman; Julius Maklary we will not lose any more lives. And At this time, I will insert this letter (AZ), National Executive Committee- our hopes and prayers are with the peo- into the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. man; James W. Hackney (CA), National ple that habitat that region in and THE AMERICAN LEGION, Executive Committeeman. around Lake Arrowhead. Indianapolis, IN, October 18, 2007. Jeff Luginbuel (CO), National Executive With regard to the bill at hand, H.R. Hon. NANCY PELOSI, Committeeman; John J. Jackson (DE), Speaker, House of Representatives, National Executive Committeeman; 1011, I would just like to say, as has Washington, DC. Robert J. Proctor (FL), National Exec- been said before, that this measure is DEAR SPEAKER PELOSI: Today ends the Fall utive Committeeman; Ray Hendrix supported by the members of the Vir- meeting of The American Legion’s National (GA), National Executive Committee- ginia delegation. We will be offering, Executive Committee, at The American Le- man; Cleve Rice (ID), National Execu- the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. gion’s National Headquarters in Indianap- tive Committeeman; W. Darrell Hansel GOODLATTE), the only amendment that olis, Indiana. The National Executive Com- (IN), National Executive Committee- was proposed under this rule. It’s sup- mittee consists of an elected leader from man; David O. Warnken (KS), National ported by all the local boards of super- each of The American Legion’s 55 Depart- Executive Committeeman; Charles D. ments (50 States, the District of Columbia Aucoin (LA), National Executive Com- visors as well as Senator WARNER, Gov- and four foreign countries). In accordance mitteeman; Dr. Gordon B. Browning ernor Kaine. with The American Legion’s National Con- (MD), National Executive Committee- And, in fact, we have listened to the stitution and By-laws, the National Execu- man; Richard W. Anderson (CT), Na- community. And Mr. SESSIONS is right. tive Committee serves as The American Le- tional Executive Committeeman; Paul The local officials and local commu- gion’s governing body. H. lll, for Walter W. Norris (DC), nity leaders, citizens of a region should The National Commander Marty Conatser National Executive Committeeman; be consulted when we designate one of briefed The National Executive Committee William E. Marshall (France), National these wilderness areas. And, in fact, on an array of issues to include the status of Executive Committeeman; Andrew W. this bill does incorporate those sugges- the VA budget for FY 2008. The fiscal activi- Johnson (HI), National Executive Com- ties of the 110th Congress—the FY 2007 Con- mitteeman; Kenneth J. Trumbull (IL), tions and comments of the local com- tinuing Resolution, the Budget Resolution National Executive Committeeman; munity. They desire this wilderness for FY 2008, and the passage of the Military Michael E. Wanser (IA), National Exec- designation for their area. And it is Construction, Veterans’ Affairs and Related utive Committeeman; Randall Coffman truly going to be a national treasure. Agencies Appropriations for FY 2008 were re- (KY), National Executive Committee- It already is, and it will be preserved viewed. man; Robert A. Owen (ME), National for our children and for their children. However, in trying to grasp why such a bi- Executive Committeeman; James F. Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of partisan bill, which passed overwhelmingly Army (MA), National Executive Com- my time. in both chambers, still hasn’t moved in over mitteeman. a month is rather difficult, especially since John E. Hayes (Mexico), National Execu- Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. Speaker, I yield the President has already said he would not tive Committeeman; Virgil V. Persing myself such time as I may consume to veto the bill, even though it exceeds his rec- (MN), National Executive Committee- close at this time. ommendations. Understanding why the ap- man; David N. Voyles (MO), National Mr. Speaker, I will be asking Mem- propriations process has come to a complete Executive Committeeman; Michael J. bers to oppose the previous question so halt is difficult. What is preventing the ap- Landkamer (NE), National Executive

VerDate Aug 31 2005 01:19 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00044 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.100 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11893 Committeeman; John E. Neylon (NH), prompt agreement on the conference report the future, we must pass veterans funding National Executive Committeeman; on the FY2008 Military Construction and now. From FY 2001 the total VA budget rose Bruce Jorgensen (NM), National Execu- Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act (H.R. from $48 billion to approximately $70 billion tive Committeeman; Jerry L. Hedrick 2642). Few issues are more important than in FY 2006, a 46 percent increase. This year, (NC), National Executive Committee- adequate funding for our nation’s veterans. the House voted to increase funding by $6 man; Carl W. Swisher (OH), National The leadership in the House cannot allow billion dollars over FY07, one of the largest Executive Committeeman; Charles E. this critically important funding to fall vic- in the 77 year history of the Department of Schmidt (OR), National Executive tim to the usual partisan wrangling which Veterans Affairs. Because we have asked so Committeeman; Gerald N. Dennis (MI), occurs all too often in Washington. much of our brave men and women in uni- National Executive Committeeman; Veterans should not be used as tools for form during the War on Terror we must up- Charles E. Langley (MS), National Ex- political bargaining and gamesmanship. hold our commitment to veterans upon their ecutive Committeeman; Bob O. Beals Both the House and Senate passed the FY08 return home. (MT), National Executive Committee- MilCon-Veterans appropriations with over- Earlier in the year, the new Majority man; Ron Gutzman (NV), National Ex- whelming majorities because our commit- agreed they would continue the trend of sig- ecutive Committeeman; William A. ment to veterans rises above partisan squab- nificant increases in veterans funding begun Rakestraw, Jr. (NJ), National Execu- bling. Tragedies such as the recent revela- by the Republican Congress. We ask you to tive Committeeman; Paul Mitras (NY), tions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center honor that agreement and see the commit- National Executive Committeeman; must never be repeated. The findings of in- ment we made to our veterans is upheld. Curtis O. Twete (ND), National Execu- sufficient care at Walter Reed and other fa- We must never forget the sacrifice of our tive Committeeman; Bobby J. cilities should be seen by Congress as a man- veterans. As members of Congress, we have a Longenbaugh (OK), National Executive date to finish the work and live up to the solemn obligation to fulfill our promises to Committeeman; Alfred Pirolli (PA), promises we have made to our veterans. them. We ask you to look past the height- ened partisanship of our times and unite us National Executive Committeeman. After decades of flat funding, total VA on this issue by making it a first priority to William J. Kelly (Philippines), National budget rose from $48 billion in FY 2001 to ap- bring a stand-alone veterans appropriations Executive Committeeman; Ernest proximately $70 billion in FY 2006, a 46 per- bill through conference so the Congress may Gerundio (RI), National Executive cent increase. This year, the House voted to present the President with a bill no later Committeeman; Paul A. Evenson (SD), increase funding by $6 billion dollars over than October 12, 2007. National Executive Committeeman; FY07, one of the largest in the 77 year his- Ronald G. Cherry (TX), National Exec- tory of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Mr. Speaker, I will ask all of my col- utive Committeeman; Leslie V. Howe Both the Senate and House versions received leagues to support this motion to de- (VT), National Executive Committee- overwhelming majority support passing by a feat the previous question so that we man; William F. Schrier (WA), Na- vote of 409–2 in the House and 92–1 in the can put partisanship aside and move tional Executive Committeeman; Ar- Senate. this important legislation forward. thur D. Herbison (WI), National Execu- Earlier in the year, the new Majority Mr. Speaker, this is a very important tive Committeeman; Carlos Orria-Me- agreed they would continue the trend of sig- nificant increases in veterans funding begun vote for each of the Members of Con- dina (PR), National Executive Com- gress to decide whether we are going to mitteeman; Billy W. Bell (SC), Na- by the Republican Congress. We ask you to tional Executive Committeeman; Jen- honor that agreement and see that the com- move forward for the best interest of nings B. Loring (TN), National Execu- mitment we made to our veterans is hon- our military and veterans, or whether tive Committeeman; William E. ored. we are going to play partisan politics. Christoffersen (UT), National Execu- We must never forget the sacrifice of our I ask unanimous consent to insert tive Committeeman; Rob R. Gordon, veterans. As members of Congress, we have a the text of the amendment and extra- solemn obligation to fulfill our promises to Jr. (VA), National Executive Com- neous material in the RECORD just mitteeman; William W. Kile (WV), Na- them. We ask for you to look past the prior to the vote on the previous ques- tional Executive Committeeman; ——— heightened partisanship of our times and unite us on this issue by making it a first tion ———, for Irvin A. Quick (WY), Na- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there tional Executive Committeeman. priority to quickly bring a stand alone Vet- erans appropriations bill through conference objection to the request of the gen- On the same day, the commander in so the Congress may present the President tleman from Texas? chief of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, with a bill by October 1, 2007. There was no objection. George Lisicki, also asked Speaker We stand ready to assist you in reaching Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. Speaker, I yield PELOSI and the Democrat leadership to this goal. back the balance of my time. put partisanship aside for the benefit of Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I yield our Nation’s veterans and troops. CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, myself such time as I may consume to These pleas from the American Legion Washington, DC, October 4, 2007. close. and the VFW follow on the heels of re- OFFICE OF THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, Mr. Speaker, I want to start by say- U.S. Capitol, quests from Republican Members to Washington, DC. ing that I couldn’t disagree more with both Speaker PELOSI and Democrat DEAR MAJORITY LEADER REID: We write the gentleman’s last comments. What I Senate Majority Leader HARRY REID on today to ask you to keep the Senate in ses- heard just does not even make any September 17 and October 4 urging sion the week of October 8, to help pass this sense to me, having spent the last 5 them to begin conference work on the year’s veterans appropriations. Now that we years of my life sitting here watching Veterans Appropriations bills. Unfortu- are already into the new fiscal year, it is im- this House debate veterans issues. nately, it appears as though all these perative that the House and Senate reach a The first 4 years that I was here, we commonsense requests have fallen on prompt agreement on the conference report saw the Republican Congress that was on the FY2008 Military Construction and in power at that time refuse to take up deaf ears, and our Nation’s veterans Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act (H.R. are being forced to pay the price for 2642). a number of measures that were continued Democrat partisanship and It is unfortunate the Senate has been un- brought forward by the Democratic mi- lack of leadership on this issue. able to act upon many of its Constitu- nority at that time. In fact, there were At this time, I will insert into the tionally mandated appropriations bills. several discharge petitions that laid CONGRESSIONAL RECORD these two let- While the House continues to wait upon the languishing at that desk for weeks and ters so that everyone watching today’s Senate to complete its work, we call upon weeks on end until they finally died at debate across the country can see the you to quickly move veterans appropriations the end of the session because they efforts that have been made by the Re- through conference so a final version of the never got the attention of the Repub- bill may be passed and presented to the publican Party to end this impasse on President. We believe that veterans issues lican majority at that time. In fact, an important issue of providing ade- rise above the partisan divisions of Wash- this year, since we have taken back the quate funding for those who have sac- ington which is evident by the passage of the House and we have become a Demo- rificed so much on behalf of our coun- FY08 MilCon-Veterans appropriations with cratic majority, we have been cham- try. overwhelming majorities in both Houses, pions of veterans issues. And to say CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, 501–3 combined. that they want to now lay letters upon Washington, DC, September 17, 2007. The Senate cannot allow this critically im- the table that they’re demanding of the portant funding to continue to fall victim to OFFICE OF THE SPEAKER Speaker’s attention, we have been put- U.S. Capitol, the usual partisan wrangling which occurs Washington, DC. all too often in Washington. If tragedies such ting attention on this issue for a num- MADAM SPEAKER: We write to urge you in as the recent revelations at Walter Reed ber of years. And not only are we tak- the strongest possible terms to reach a Army Medical Center are to be diverted in ing care of our veterans now for the

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A vote against or- ant to clause 8 of rule XX, further pro- giving them the respect they deserve. dering the previous question is a vote And I will tell you that this House, against the Democratic majority agenda and ceedings on this question will be post- by a vote of 409–2, passed the Veterans a vote to allow the opposition, at least for poned. appropriations bill. And, yes, we do the moment, to offer an alternative plan. It f is a vote about what the House should be de- need to go to conference; but we will do PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION that when the conferees are appointed bating. Mr. Clarence Cannon’s Precedents of the OF H.R. 1483, CELEBRATING in the Senate, when it is appropriate to House of Representatives, (VI, 308–311) de- AMERICA’S HERITAGE ACT do it. We have passed, this year, an ad- scribes the vote on the previous question on ditional appropriation of $3.4 billion to the rule as ‘‘a motion to direct or control the Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, by direc- take care of our Nation’s veterans. We consideration of the subject before the House tion of the Committee on Rules, I call will, in fact, make sure that all the being made by the Member in charge.’’ To up House Resolution 765 and ask for its veterans are taken care of. In fact, on defeat the previous question is to give the immediate consideration. opposition a chance to decide the subject be- November 11 of this year we will cele- The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- fore the House. Cannon cites the Speaker’s lows: brate tremendous respect for our Na- ruling of January 13, 1920, to the effect that tion’s veterans and will, in fact, do ev- ‘‘the refusal of the House to sustain the de- H. RES. 765 erything that we have promised to do, mand for the previous question passes the Resolved, That upon the adoption of this and more. control of the resolution to the opposition’’ resolution it shall be in order to consider in the House the bill (H.R. 1483) to amend the We just saw today three bills taken in order to offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the majority party of- Omnibus Parks and Public Lands Manage- up by the Veterans’ Committee to, in fered a rule resolution. The House defeated ment Act of 1996 to extend the authorization fact, take care of the needs of our Na- the previous question and a member of the for certain national heritage areas, and for tion’s veterans. And I am highly of- opposition rose to a parliamentary inquiry, other purposes. All points of order against fended by the insinuation that we are asking who was entitled to recognition. consideration of the bill are waived except in some way acting in a partisan way Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said: those arising under clause 9 or 10 of rule XXI. not to take care of our Nation’s vet- ‘‘The previous question having been refused, The amendment in the nature of a substitute the gentleman from New York, Mr. Fitz- erans. recommended by the Committee on Natural gerald who had asked the gentleman to yield Resources now printed in the bill, modified Mr. Speaker, with regard to H.R. to him for an amendment, is entitled to the by the amendment printed in the report of 1011, this bill is, in fact, an important first recognition.’’ the Committee on Rules accompanying this bill to protect the natural resources of Because the vote today may look bad for resolution, shall be considered as adopted. the State of Virginia, a vital area for the Democratic majority they will say ‘‘the The bill, as amended, shall be considered as vote on the previous question is simply a our country. Mr. BOUCHER and the dele- read. All points of order against provisions of vote on whether to proceed to an immediate the bill, as amended, are waived. The pre- gation from Virginia have done a fabu- vote on adopting the resolution . . . [and] lous job in crafting this proposal. It is vious question shall be considered as ordered has no substantive legislative or policy im- on the bill, as amended, to final passage plications whatsoever.’’ But that is not what a bill that preserves tens of thousands without intervening motion except: (1) one they have always said. Listen to the defini- of acres of pristine wilderness in Jeffer- hour of debate equally divided and controlled tion of the previous question used in the son National Forest. It is necessary by the chairman and ranking minority mem- Floor Procedures Manual published by the that these beautiful, natural land- ber of the Committee on Natural Resources; Rules Committee in the 109th Congress, scapes remain protected and untouched (page 56). Here’s how the Rules Committee and (2) one motion to recommit with or so that they may be enjoyed by our described the rule using information from without instructions. children and our grandchildren for Congressional Quarterly’s ‘‘American Con- SEC. 2. During consideration of H.R. 1483 years to come. It deserves the strong gressional Dictionary’’: ‘‘If the previous pursuant to this resolution, notwithstanding question is defeated, control of debate shifts the operation of the previous question, the support of all the Members on the floor Chair may postpone further consideration of today. to the leading opposition member (usually the minority Floor Manager) who then man- the bill to such time as may be designated by That is the bill that we will be mov- ages an hour of debate and may offer a ger- the Speaker. ing the previous question on. Mr. mane amendment to the pending business.’’ The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Speaker, I urge a ‘‘yes’’ vote on the Deschler’s Procedure in the U.S. House of tlewoman from Ohio is recognized for 1 rule and on the previous question. Representatives, the subchapter titled hour. The material previously referred to ‘‘Amending Special Rules’’ states: ‘‘a refusal to order the previous question on such a rule Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, for the by Mr. SESSIONS is as follows: [a special rule reported from the Committee purpose of debate only, I yield the cus- AMENDMENT TO H. RES. 763 OFFERED BY MR. on Rules] opens the resolution to amend- tomary 30 minutes to the gentleman SESSIONS OF TEXAS ment and further debate.’’ (Chapter 21, sec- from Washington (Mr. HASTINGS). All tion 21.2) Section 21.3 continues: Upon rejec- At the end of the resolution, add the fol- time yielded during consideration of tion of the motion for the previous question lowing: the rule is for debate only. on a resolution reported from the Committee I yield myself such time as I may SEC. 3. The House disagrees to the Senate on Rules, control shifts to the Member lead- amendment to the bill, H.R. 2642, making ap- ing the opposition to the previous question, consume. I also ask unanimous consent propriations for military construction, the who may offer a proper amendment or mo- that all Members be given 5 legislative Department of Veterans Affairs, and related tion and who controls the time for debate days in which to revise and extend agencies for the fiscal year ending Sep- thereon.’’ their remarks on House Resolution 765. tember 30, 2008, and for other purposes, and Clearly, the vote on the previous question The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there agrees to the conference requested by the on a rule does have substantive policy impli- Senate thereon. The Speaker shall appoint objection to the request of the gentle- cations. It is one of the only available tools woman from Ohio? conferees immediately, but may declare a re- for those who oppose the Democratic major- cess under clause 12(a) of rule I for the pur- ity’s agenda and allows those with alter- There was no objection. pose of consulting the Minority Leader prior native views the opportunity to offer an al- Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, House to such appointment. The motion to instruct ternative plan. Resolution 765 provides for consider- conferees otherwise in order pending the ap- Mr. CARDOZA. Mr. Speaker, I yield ation of H.R. 1483, the Celebrating pointment of conferees instead shall be in back the balance of my time, and I America’s Heritage Act. The rule pro- order only at a time designated by the vides 1 hour of general debate con- Speaker in the legislative schedule within move the previous question on the res- two additional legislative days after adop- olution. trolled by the Committee on Natural tion of this resolution. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Resources and makes in order the sub- question is on ordering the previous stitute reported by the Committee on (The information contained herein was question. Natural Resources. provided by Democratic Minority on mul- The question was taken; and the The rule also contains a self-exe- tiple occasions throughout the 109th Con- Speaker pro tempore announced that cuting provision to the base text con- gress.) the ayes appeared to have it. sisting of a technical correction that

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:58 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00046 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.103 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11895 inserts a map reference for a map that Canalway and other heritage areas in- twice as many, Mr. Speaker, as the pre- was not completed yet by the National cluded in this legislation will continue vious Republican-controlled Congress Park Service prior to filing the re- to play central roles in their commu- did at the same point in the session. ported bill. The rule also provides for nities and equally important roles in So they didn’t just break their prom- one motion to recommit with or with- our national heritage. ise, Mr. Speaker, they have shattered out instructions. Similarly, Mr. Speaker, in addition it. Most troubling of all is that this Mr. Speaker, before I begin to ad- to the Ohio and Erie National Heritage rule would prevent Representatives dress the rule and the underlying bill, Canalway, the Celebrating America’s from offering amendments to adjust I want to also extend my feelings of Heritage Act will provide support to and alter the bill out of concerns di- empathy and concern for those out in the National Coal Heritage Act in West rectly affecting the districts and peo- California dealing with the fires that Virginia, the Tennessee Civil War Her- ple that those Representatives were are plaguing that area of our country. itage Area, the Augusta Canal and Na- elected to represent. We are all watching and we are all, in tional Heritage Area in Georgia, the The Celebrating America’s Heritage spirit, hoping that the fire ravaging Steel Industry American Heritage Area Act authorizes $135 billion to be spent will end. We appreciate the hard work in Pennsylvania, the Essex National over the next 15 years for nine already and the fearless dedication of our fire Heritage Area in Massachusetts, the established National Heritage Areas service and our firefighters, and we South Carolina National Heritage Cor- and six new National Heritage Areas. hope that that situation is under con- ridor, America’s Agricultural Partner- One of the new National Heritage trol in the very, very near future. ship in Iowa, and the Hudson River Areas created in the bill is the Journey Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support Valley National Heritage Area in New Through Hallowed Ground National of this rule and the underlying bill. At York. Heritage Area, which includes land in the outset, I would like to commend This legislation will also recognize Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia my Republican colleague and neighbor, and bring the benefits of heritage areas and Virginia. Mr. BARTLETT of Mary- Congressman REGULA, for his leader- to six new communities throughout the land and Mr. GOODE of Virginia have ship in sponsoring this bipartisan piece Nation: Journey Through Hallowed expressed concerns that the land in the of legislation. Ground Heritage Area in Virginia, Ni- districts they represent is included in This bill will provide additional sup- agara Falls National Heritage Area in this new National Heritage Area and port to nine national heritage areas New York, Muscle Shoals National that this bill does not guarantee local and allow for the designation of six Heritage Area in Alabama, Freedom’s residents will be allowed to participate new heritage areas, making them eligi- Way National Heritage Area in Illinois, in decisions affecting the area in their ble for Federal support. and Santa Cruz Valley National Herit- districts. If Congress is going to dictate I am proud that the Ohio and Erie age Area in Arizona. how land is to be used, we must make National Heritage Canalway is among And it’s important to note, Mr. sure that those who are directly af- these nine national heritage areas. And Speaker, that this legislation specifi- fected by such designations are, in fact, I can tell you from firsthand experi- cally includes language that protects supportive of the legislation. ence that I’ve had with the Ohio and private property rights. And the bill I believe that all Members should be Erie National Heritage Canalway, that makes clear that a national heritage afforded an opportunity to have their these heritage areas are an invaluable area designation does not alter existing voices heard on behalf of those they asset, both to the local communities regulations or land use plans. represent when their district is di- and to our Nation, from the preserva- This is a good bill that will help com- rectly impacted. It was remarked yes- tion of local culture and history, to in- munities and our country celebrate our terday in testimony before the Rules creasing tourism, and as centerpieces heritage and use our history for future Committee by Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, for economic growth. prosperity and collective pride. I urge ‘‘That is just good government.’’ What The designation of heritage areas my colleagues to support it. he was referring to obviously was to provides for a partnership approach to I’m proud to be a cosponsor of this have a Member talk about issues that heritage development, allowing the bipartisan legislation. And, again, I affect their district. Unfortunately, if sites to be locally managed with a would like to thank Congressman adopted, this 39th closed rule of the local organization coordinating in RALPH REGULA from my home State of year will deny Mr. BARTLETT and Mr. partnership with local residents. Ohio for introducing this bill and for GOODE and, in fact, all Members of the These areas provide unique opportu- being a champion of Ohio’s heritage. House, the opportunity to bring forth nities to understand the larger context I urge all of my colleagues to support their concerns to attempt to amend— of these regions’ traditions, landscapes this important bipartisan legislation. to perfect this bill. Although National and people, and the heritage of this Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of Heritage Areas typically do not create great country. my time. additional Federal lands, the Federal The Ohio and Erie National Heritage Government can significantly impact b 1600 Canalway is not a traditional park. It’s the use of the land in and surrounding a lived-in region where the national, Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. National Heritage Areas. cultural, historic and recreational re- Speaker, I want to thank the gentle- Mr. Speaker, coming from an area in sources combine to form a nationally woman from Ohio (Ms. SUTTON) for my area in central Washington that is significant landscape that celebrates yielding me the customary 30 minutes. 40 percent federally owned, I want to the significance of the Ohio and Erie I yield myself such time as I may con- take this opportunity to discuss my Canal and its contribution to the re- sume. concerns with future actions that could gion, the State of Ohio, and the United (Mr. HASTINGS of Washington asked lead to additional Federal lands. As I States. and was given permission to revise and have said many times before on this The Ohio and Erie Canal helped con- extend his remarks.) floor, I believe Federal land manage- nect the Ohio frontier with New York Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. ment agencies simply have too much and New Orleans in the early 19th cen- Speaker, I rise in opposition to this land to manage effectively. Federal tury, playing a key role in linking a closed rule and urge my colleagues to land agencies continue to struggle to previously isolated Ohio with economic oppose it as well. Mr. Speaker, this maintain trails and facilities on public centers east and south. And the canal rule is the 39th closed rule the House lands as well as to manage unnaturally was crucial to the development of will be considering this year. The high fuel loads that can lead to cata- Ohio’s economy, attracting businesses Democrats have not just broken their strophic wildfires. We had that discus- to the area and providing a viable promise to the American people to co- sion on the previous rule; yet, year transportation route for emerging in- operate in an open and honest manner, after year we are spending precious tax dustries. they are actually doing it in a record- dollars to buy up more private prop- Mr. Speaker, I am confident that setting manner. In fact, this Democrat- erty to take off local tax rolls. with increased Federal support, the controlled Congress has considered There are far more pressing issues af- Ohio and Erie National Heritage more than twice as many closed rules, fecting public lands management that

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:58 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00047 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.106 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11896 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 we could be considering today. For ex- Valley will protect private property islative days after adoption of this res- ample, Mr. Speaker, we should be dis- rights and public use of this federally olution. In other words, Mr. Speaker, cussing the extension of payments to managed land. we can act on this as quickly as we forested counties for rural schools and So I support this bill. I urge a ‘‘yes’’ possibly can. roads or for development of clean en- vote on the rule and the underlying bill By defeating the previous question, ergy on public lands. These are far to support preserving Arizona’s Na- the House will send a strong message more pressing issues, and they are not tional Heritage. to our veterans that they have our going to go away. I believe the House Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. commitment to write a final bill pro- should act quickly in a bipartisan man- Speaker, I yield myself the balance of viding them the funding and increase ner to address them. my time. they need, deserve and were promised. Mr. Speaker, this is a closed rule, as Mr. Speaker, for the past several Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous con- I mentioned in my opening remarks. In weeks, my colleagues on the Rules sent to have the text of the amendment closing, I would like to read a quote Committee and I have highlighted and extraneous material inserted into from the distinguished majority leader loopholes in the House rules related to the RECORD prior to the vote on the (Mr. HOYER) from Congress Daily PM earmark transparency. While this is an previous question. on December 5, 2006, a little more than important issue that still must be ad- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. 10 months ago. He said, Mr. Speaker, dressed, there is still a more pressing DOYLE). Is there objection to the re- ‘‘We intend to have a Rules Committee issue that the House must act on im- quest of the gentleman from Wash- that gives opposition voices and alter- mediately. ington? native proposals the ability to be heard Mr. Speaker, it has now been 130 There was no objection. and considered on the floor of the days, 130 days, since the veterans fund- Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. House.’’ ing bill was approved by the House. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to op- Mr. Speaker, the distinguished ma- The Senate passed a similar bill. Mr. pose the previous question on the 39th jority leader said that a little bit more Speaker, contrary to what was said in closed rule the House is considering than 10 months ago. Unfortunately, the the debate in the last bill, the Senate this year, and I yield back the balance Democrat majority is once again not has appointed their conferees over 6 of my time. living up to the promises they made to weeks ago. Sadly, the Democrat leader- Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, I only Americans just less than a year ago. ship in the House has refused to move wish the same commitment and tenac- We are shutting out the people and the forward on this bill and name conferees ity on behalf of veterans that is being Representatives who are directly im- and instead has chosen to put partisan- expressed here today continues into pacted by this legislation with this ship and politics ahead of ensuring our the future, and I wish that it had been closed rule. veterans’ needs are met. Every day the a little bit more at the surface in the Mr. Speaker, accordingly, I urge my Democrats choose not to act to move past. colleagues to vote against this, the this bill forward, our Nation’s veterans As you know, Mr. Speaker, the 39th closed rule of the year. lose $18.5 million. Democrats, when they came into the I reserve the balance of my time. Last week, Republican Leader majority in this House, passed the big- Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield BOEHNER took a positive step toward gest increase for veterans health care myself such time as I may consume. naming House Republican conferees. in history. They passed in the Military Mr. Speaker, I just want to remind Now, Speaker PELOSI must follow suit Construction and Veterans Affairs ap- my colleague from Washington that and take the steps necessary to ensure propriations bill $6.7 billion above the this legislation does not affect private that work can begin on writing the fiscal year 2007 budget, which, by the property rights. The bill makes it clear final veterans funding bill that can be way, was the largest single increase in that a National Heritage Area designa- enacted into law. the 77-year history of the VA, $3.8 bil- tion does not alter existing regulations I might add, Mr. Speaker, this is one lion above the President’s request. So or land use plans, either. of those bills that enjoys strong bipar- we are indeed on the same page in With that, I reserve the balance of tisan support. It is troubling to me terms of protecting our Nation’s vet- my time. that Democrat leadership chose to con- erans, and we are working diligently, Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. sider a simple resolution today sup- not just with our words, but with our Speaker, I reserve my time. porting and encouraging greater sup- votes and with our actions to make Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 port for Veterans Day each year, but sure that we live up to the promise minutes to the gentlewoman from Ari- thus far, has refused to demonstrate that we make to our veterans. zona (Ms. GIFFORDS). meaningful support for our Nation’s Returning to the legislation and the Ms. GIFFORDS. Mr. Speaker, I rise veterans by working on this final fund- rule at hand, Mr. Speaker, the Cele- today to support this rule and the un- ing bill. Our veterans, and all Ameri- brating America’s Heritage Act would derlying bill, H.R. 1483, amending the cans, want us to put partisanship and provide support for some of our Na- Omnibus Parks and Public Lands Man- politics aside and work together to do tion’s cultural treasures and will ex- agement Act. what is in the best interests for our Na- pand support to additional heritage Early this year, I introduced the tion’s veterans. areas. I cannot overstate the impor- Santa Cruz Valley National Heritage Mr. Speaker, I see no better time tance of many of these areas, not only Area Act with Congressman GRIJALVA. than right now. Therefore, I will be to the local communities and the re- I am pleased that our bill has been in- asking my colleagues to vote ‘‘no’’ on gions in which they exist, but to pre- cluded in H.R. 1483. the previous question so that I can serving the history of the United By designating the Santa Cruz Valley amend the rule to allow the House to States, that history that those vet- as a National Heritage Area, this beau- immediately act to go to conference erans fought for, by the way, and these tiful and thriving region will receive with the Senate on H.R. 2642, the Mili- heritage areas stand out for national modest Federal support for promoting tary Construction and Veterans Affairs parks and they are overseen by a coali- the area’s history, cultural resources funding bill and appoint conferees. tion of local leaders, community mem- and indigenous wildlife habitat. We are The amendment to the rule I am of- bers and local organizations all with an ensuring that the Santa Cruz Valley fering would allow the Speaker to de- interest in the preservation in their visitors can experience the unique wa- clare a recess for the purpose of con- areas’ traditions and culture and in the tershed and diverse societies it has sup- sulting with the minority leader prior continued vitality of their commu- ported, Native American tribes, de- to the appointment of conferees. Fur- nities. These heritage areas play a key scendants of Spanish ancestors, Amer- ther, it would provide that the motion role in spurring economic development, ican pioneers, and, now, members of to instruct conferees otherwise in order which serve as a bridge to the future our diverse Sonoran Arizona commu- pending the appointment of conferees for communities as well as a constant nities. instead shall be in order only at a time reminder of our past and the cumu- Widely supported from Marana, Ari- designated by the Speaker in the legis- lative history that has led to where we zona, to Patagonia, the Santa Cruz lative schedule within 2 additional leg- are today.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:58 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00048 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.107 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11897 I know what the Ohio and Erie Na- (page 56). Here’s how the Rules Committee ing the previous question on House tional Heritage Canalway means to described the rule using information from Resolution 763, on which the yeas and northeast Ohio, and I know what in- Congressional Quarterly’s ‘‘American Con- nays were ordered. gressional Dictionary’’: ‘‘If the previous creased Federal support will do to help question is defeated, control of debate shifts The Clerk read the title of the resolu- it continue serving our community and to the leading opposition member (usually tion. our Nation. the minority Floor Manager) who then man- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Mr. Speaker, I urge a ‘‘yes’’ vote on ages an hour of debate and may offer a ger- question is on ordering the previous the previous question and on the rule. mane amendment to the pending business.’’ question. The material referred to previously Deschler’s Procedure in the U.S. House of The vote was taken by electronic de- Representatives, the subchapter titled by Mr. HASTINGS of Washington is as ‘‘Amending Special Rules’’ states: ‘‘a refusal vice, and there were—yeas 225, nays follows: to order the previous question on such a rule 190, not voting 17, as follows: AMENDMENT TO H. RES. 765 OFFERED BY MR. [a special rule reported from the Committee [Roll No. 990] HASTINGS OF WASHINGTON on Rules] opens the resolution to amend- YEAS—225 At the end of the resolution, add the fol- ment and further debate.’’ (Chapter 21, sec- Abercrombie Green, Gene Napolitano lowing: tion 21.2) Section 21.3 continues: Upon rejec- tion of the motion for the previous question Ackerman Grijalva Neal (MA) SEC. 3. The House disagrees to the Senate Allen Gutierrez Obey amendment to the bill, H.R. 2642, making ap- on a resolution reported from the Committee Altmire Hall (NY) Olver propriations for military construction, the on Rules, control shifts to the Member lead- Andrews Hare Ortiz Department of Veterans Affairs, and related ing the opposition to the previous question, Arcuri Harman Pallone agencies for the fiscal year ending Sep- who may offer a proper amendment or mo- Baca Hastings (FL) Pascrell tember 30, 2008, and for other purposes, and tion and who controls the time for debate Baird Herseth Sandlin Pastor Baldwin Higgins Payne agrees to the conference requested by the thereon.’’ Clearly, the vote on the previous question Bean Hill Perlmutter Senate thereon. The Speaker shall appoint on a rule does have substantive policy impli- Becerra Hinchey Peterson (MN) conferees immediately, but may declare a re- cations. It is one of the only available tools Berkley Hinojosa Pomeroy cess under clause 12(a) of rule I for the pur- Berman Hirono Price (NC) for those who oppose the Democratic major- pose of consulting the Minority Leader prior Berry Hodes Rahall ity’s agenda and allows those with alter- to such appointment. The motion to instruct Bishop (GA) Holden Rangel native views the opportunity to offer an al- conferees otherwise in order pending the ap- Bishop (NY) Holt Richardson ternative plan. Blumenauer Honda Rodriguez pointment of conferees instead shall be in Ms. SUTTON. Mr. Speaker, I yield Boren Hooley Ross order only at a time designated by the Boswell Hoyer Rothman Speaker in the legislative schedule within back the balance of my time, and I Boucher Inslee Roybal-Allard two additional legislative days after adop- move the previous question on the res- Boyd (FL) Israel Ruppersberger tion of this resolution. olution. Boyda (KS) Jackson (IL) Rush The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Brady (PA) Jackson-Lee Ryan (OH) (The information contained herein was Braley (IA) (TX) Salazar question is on ordering the previous Brown, Corrine Jefferson Sa´ nchez, Linda provided by Democratic Minority on mul- question. Butterfield Johnson (GA) T. tiple occasions throughout the 109th Con- The question was taken; and the Capps Jones (OH) Sanchez, Loretta gress.) Speaker pro tempore announced that Capuano Kagen Sarbanes THE VOTE ON THE PREVIOUS QUESTION: WHAT Cardoza Kanjorski Schakowsky the ayes appeared to have it. Carnahan Kaptur Schiff IT REALLY MEANS Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Carney Kennedy Schwartz This vote, the vote on whether to order the Speaker, on that I demand the yeas Castor Kildee Scott (GA) previous question on a special rule, is not and nays. Chandler Kilpatrick Scott (VA) merely a procedural vote. A vote against or- Clarke Kind Serrano The yeas and nays were ordered. Clay Klein (FL) Sestak dering the previous question is a vote The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- against the Democratic majority agenda and Cleaver Kucinich Shea-Porter ant to clause 8 of rule XX, further pro- Clyburn Lampson Sherman a vote to allow the opposition, at least for ceedings on this question will be post- Cohen Langevin Shuler the moment, to offer an alternative plan. It Conyers Lantos Sires is a vote about what the House should be de- poned. Cooper Larsen (WA) Skelton bating. f Costa Larson (CT) Slaughter Mr. Clarence Cannon’s Precedents of the Costello Lee Smith (WA) House of Representatives, (VI, 308–311) de- b 1615 Courtney Levin Snyder scribes the vote on the previous question on Cramer Lewis (GA) Solis ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER Crowley Lipinski Space the rule as ‘‘a motion to direct or control the PRO TEMPORE Cuellar Loebsack Spratt consideration of the subject before the House The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Cummings Lofgren, Zoe Stark being made by the Member in charge.’’ To Davis (AL) Lowey Stupak defeat the previous question is to give the ant to clause 8 of rule XX, proceedings Davis (CA) Lynch Sutton opposition a chance to decide the subject be- will resume on questions previously Davis (IL) Mahoney (FL) Tanner fore the House. Cannon cites the Speaker’s postponed. Davis, Lincoln Maloney (NY) Tauscher ruling of January 13, 1920, to the effect that Votes will be taken in the following DeFazio Markey Taylor DeGette Marshall Thompson (CA) ‘‘the refusal of the House to sustain the de- order: Delahunt Matheson Thompson (MS) mand for the previous question passes the Ordering the previous question on DeLauro Matsui Tierney control of the resolution to the opposition’’ House Resolution 763, by the yeas and Dicks McCarthy (NY) Towns in order to offer an amendment. On March nays; Dingell McCollum (MN) Tsongas 15, 1909, a member of the majority party of- Doggett McDermott Udall (CO) Adopting House Resolution 763, if or- Donnelly McGovern Udall (NM) fered a rule resolution. The House defeated dered; the previous question and a member of the Doyle McIntyre Van Hollen Ordering the previous question on Edwards McNerney Vela´ zquez opposition rose to a parliamentary inquiry, House Resolution 765, by the yeas and Ellison McNulty Visclosky asking who was entitled to recognition. Ellsworth Meek (FL) Walz (MN) Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R–Illinois) said: nays; Emanuel Meeks (NY) Wasserman ‘‘The previous question having been refused, Adopting House Resolution 765, if or- Engel Melancon Schultz the gentleman from New York, Mr. Fitz- dered; and Eshoo Michaud Waters gerald, who had asked the gentleman to Suspending the rules and passing Etheridge Miller (NC) Watson yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to H.R. 1955. Farr Miller, George Watt Fattah Mitchell Waxman the first recognition.’’ The first electronic vote will be con- Filner Mollohan Weiner Because the vote today may look bad for ducted as a 15-minute vote. Remaining Frank (MA) Moore (KS) Welch (VT) the Democratic majority they will say ‘‘the electronic votes will be conducted as 5- Giffords Moran (VA) Wexler vote on the previous question is simply a minute votes. Gillibrand Murphy (CT) Woolsey vote on whether to proceed to an immediate Gonzalez Murphy, Patrick Wu vote on adopting the resolution . . . [and] f Gordon Murtha Wynn Green, Al Nadler Yarmuth has no substantive legislative or policy im- PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION plications whatsoever.’’ But that is not what OF H.R. 1011, VIRGINIA RIDGE NAYS—190 they have always said. Listen to the defini- AND VALLEY ACT OF 2007 Aderholt Bachus Bartlett (MD) tion of the previous question used in the Akin Baker Barton (TX) Floor Procedures Manual published by the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- Alexander Barrett (SC) Biggert Rules Committee in the 109th Congress, finished business is the vote on order- Bachmann Barrow Bilirakis

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:58 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00049 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.109 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11898 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 Blackburn Granger Pitts This will be a 5-minute vote. Chabot Johnson, Sam Pryce (OH) Blunt Graves Platts The vote was taken by electronic de- Coble Jones (NC) Putnam Boehner Hall (TX) Poe Cole (OK) Jordan Radanovich Bonner Hastings (WA) Porter vice, and there were—yeas 228, nays Conaway Keller Ramstad Bono Hayes Price (GA) 191, not voting 13, as follows: Crenshaw King (IA) Rehberg Boozman Heller Culberson King (NY) Pryce (OH) [Roll No. 991] Reichert Boustany Hensarling Putnam Davis (KY) Kingston Renzi Brady (TX) Herger Radanovich YEAS—228 Davis, David Kirk Reynolds Broun (GA) Hobson Davis, Tom Kline (MN) Ramstad Abercrombie Grijalva Oberstar Rogers (AL) Brown (SC) Hoekstra Deal (GA) Knollenberg Regula Ackerman Gutierrez Obey Rogers (KY) Brown-Waite, Hulshof Dent Kuhl (NY) Rehberg Allen Hall (NY) Olver Rogers (MI) Ginny Inglis (SC) Diaz-Balart, L. LaHood Reichert Altmire Hare Ortiz Rohrabacher Buchanan Johnson (IL) Diaz-Balart, M. Lamborn Renzi Andrews Harman Pallone Ros-Lehtinen Burgess Johnson, Sam Doolittle Latham Reynolds Arcuri Hastings (FL) Pascrell Roskam Burton (IN) Jones (NC) Drake LaTourette Baca Herseth Sandlin Pastor Royce Buyer Jordan Rogers (AL) Dreier Lewis (CA) Baird Higgins Payne Ryan (WI) Calvert Keller Rogers (KY) Duncan Lewis (KY) Baldwin Hinchey Perlmutter Sali Camp (MI) King (IA) Rogers (MI) Ehlers Linder Bean Hinojosa Peterson (MN) Saxton Campbell (CA) King (NY) Rohrabacher Emerson LoBiondo Becerra Hirono Pomeroy Schmidt Cannon Kingston Ros-Lehtinen English (PA) Lucas Berkley Hodes Price (NC) Sensenbrenner Cantor Kirk Roskam Everett Lungren, Daniel Berman Holden Rahall Sessions Capito Kline (MN) Royce Fallin E. Berry Holt Rangel Carter Knollenberg Ryan (WI) Ferguson Mack Shadegg Bishop (GA) Honda Regula Castle Kuhl (NY) Sali Flake Manzullo Shays Bishop (NY) Hooley Richardson Chabot LaHood Saxton Forbes Marchant Shimkus Blumenauer Hoyer Rodriguez Coble Lamborn Schmidt Fortenberry McCarthy (CA) Shuster Boren Inslee Ross Simpson Cole (OK) Latham Sensenbrenner Fossella McCaul (TX) Boswell Israel Rothman Smith (NE) Conaway LaTourette Sessions Foxx McCotter Boucher Jackson (IL) Roybal-Allard Smith (NJ) Crenshaw Lewis (CA) Shadegg Franks (AZ) McCrery Boyd (FL) Jackson-Lee Ruppersberger Davis (KY) Lewis (KY) Frelinghuysen McHenry Smith (TX) Shays Boyda (KS) (TX) Rush Davis, David Linder Gallegly McHugh Souder Shimkus Brady (PA) Jefferson Ryan (OH) Davis, Tom LoBiondo Garrett (NJ) McMorris Stearns Shuster Braley (IA) Johnson (GA) Salazar Deal (GA) Lucas Gerlach Rodgers Sullivan Simpson Brown, Corrine Jones (OH) Sa´ nchez, Linda Dent Lungren, Daniel Gilchrest Mica Tancredo Smith (NE) Butterfield Kagen T. Diaz-Balart, L. E. Gingrey Miller (FL) Terry Smith (NJ) Capps Kanjorski Sanchez, Loretta Diaz-Balart, M. Mack Gohmert Miller (MI) Thornberry Smith (TX) Capuano Kaptur Sarbanes Doolittle Manzullo Goode Miller, Gary Tiahrt Souder Cardoza Kennedy Schakowsky Drake Marchant Goodlatte Moran (KS) Tiberi Stearns Carnahan Kildee Schiff Dreier McCarthy (CA) Granger Murphy, Tim Turner Sullivan Carney Kilpatrick Schwartz Duncan McCaul (TX) Graves Musgrave Upton Tancredo Castor Kind Scott (GA) Ehlers McCotter Hall (TX) Myrick Walberg Terry Chandler Klein (FL) Scott (VA) Emerson McCrery Hastert Neugebauer Walden (OR) Thornberry Clarke Kucinich Serrano English (PA) McHenry Hastings (WA) Nunes Walsh (NY) Tiahrt Clay Lampson Sestak Everett McHugh Hayes Pearce Wamp Tiberi Cleaver Langevin Shea-Porter Fallin McMorris Heller Pence Weldon (FL) Clyburn Lantos Sherman Ferguson Rodgers Turner Hensarling Peterson (PA) Weller Cohen Larsen (WA) Shuler Flake Mica Upton Herger Petri Westmoreland Conyers Larson (CT) Sires Forbes Miller (FL) Walberg Hill Pickering Whitfield Cooper Lee Skelton Fortenberry Miller (MI) Walden (OR) Hobson Pitts Wicker Costa Levin Slaughter Fossella Miller, Gary Walsh (NY) Hoekstra Platts Wilson (NM) Costello Lewis (GA) Smith (WA) Foxx Moran (KS) Wamp Hulshof Poe Wilson (SC) Courtney Lipinski Snyder Franks (AZ) Murphy, Tim Weldon (FL) Inglis (SC) Porter Young (AK) Cramer Loebsack Solis Frelinghuysen Musgrave Weller Johnson (IL) Price (GA) Young (FL) Crowley Lofgren, Zoe Space Gallegly Myrick Westmoreland Cuellar Lowey Spratt Garrett (NJ) Neugebauer Whitfield NOT VOTING—13 Cummings Lynch Stark Gerlach Nunes Wicker Davis (AL) Mahoney (FL) Stupak Bilbray Hunter Paul Gilchrest Pearce Wilson (NM) Davis (CA) Maloney (NY) Sutton Bishop (UT) Issa Reyes Gingrey Pence Wilson (SC) Davis (IL) Markey Tanner Carson Jindal Wilson (OH) Gohmert Peterson (PA) Wolf Davis, Lincoln Marshall Tauscher Cubin Johnson, E. B. Goode Petri Young (AK) DeFazio Matheson Taylor Feeney McKeon Goodlatte Pickering Young (FL) DeGette Matsui Thompson (CA) ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE NOT VOTING—17 Delahunt McCarthy (NY) Thompson (MS) DeLauro McCollum (MN) Tierney The SPEAKER pro tempore (during Bilbray Hastert Moore (WI) Dicks McDermott Towns the vote). Members are advised 2 min- Bishop (UT) Hunter Oberstar Dingell McGovern Tsongas Carson Issa utes remain in the vote. Paul Doggett McIntyre Udall (CO) Cubin Jindal Reyes Donnelly McNerney Udall (NM) Culberson Johnson, E. B. Wilson (OH) Doyle McNulty Van Hollen b 1649 Feeney McKeon Edwards Meek (FL) Vela´ zquez So the previous question was ordered. b 1641 Ellison Meeks (NY) Visclosky Ellsworth Melancon Walz (MN) The result of the vote was announced So the previous question was ordered. Emanuel Michaud Wasserman as above recorded. The result of the vote was announced Engel Miller (NC) Schultz The SPEAKER pro tempore. The as above recorded. Eshoo Miller, George Waters question is on the resolution. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Etheridge Mitchell Watson Farr Mollohan Watt The question was taken; and the question is on the resolution. Fattah Moore (KS) Waxman Speaker pro tempore announced that The resolution was agreed to. Filner Moore (WI) Weiner the ayes appeared to have it. A motion to reconsider was laid on Frank (MA) Moran (VA) Welch (VT) Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. the table. Giffords Murphy (CT) Wexler Gillibrand Murphy, Patrick Wolf Speaker, on that I demand the yeas f Gonzalez Murtha Woolsey and nays. Gordon Nadler Wu The yeas and nays were ordered. PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION Green, Al Napolitano Wynn OF H.R. 1483, CELEBRATING Green, Gene Neal (MA) Yarmuth The SPEAKER pro tempore. This will be a 5-minute vote. AMERICA’S HERITAGE ACT NAYS—191 The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- The vote was taken by electronic de- Aderholt Blackburn Buchanan vice, and there were—yeas 231, nays finished business is the vote on order- Akin Blunt Burgess ing the previous question on House Alexander Boehner Burton (IN) 186, not voting 15, as follows: Resolution 765, on which the yeas and Bachmann Bonner Buyer [Roll No. 992] Bachus Bono Calvert nays were ordered. Baker Boozman Camp (MI) YEAS—231 The Clerk read the title of the resolu- Barrett (SC) Boustany Campbell (CA) Abercrombie Baca Berkley tion. Barrow Brady (TX) Cannon Ackerman Baird Berman The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Bartlett (MD) Broun (GA) Cantor Allen Baldwin Berry Barton (TX) Brown (SC) Capito Altmire Barrow Bishop (GA) question is on ordering the previous Biggert Brown-Waite, Carter Andrews Bean Bishop (NY) question. Bilirakis Ginny Castle Arcuri Becerra Blumenauer

VerDate Aug 31 2005 00:58 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00050 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.030 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11899 Boren Hodes Pascrell Hastert McCrery Royce Blumenauer Franks (AZ) Mack Boswell Holden Pastor Hastings (WA) McHenry Ryan (WI) Blunt Frelinghuysen Mahoney (FL) Boucher Holt Payne Hayes McHugh Sali Boehner Gallegly Maloney (NY) Boyd (FL) Honda Perlmutter Heller McMorris Saxton Bonner Garrett (NJ) Manzullo Boyda (KS) Hooley Peterson (MN) Hensarling Rodgers Schmidt Bono Gerlach Marchant Brady (PA) Hoyer Pomeroy Herger Mica Sensenbrenner Boozman Giffords Markey Braley (IA) Inslee Price (NC) Hill Miller (FL) Sessions Boren Gilchrest Marshall Brown, Corrine Israel Rahall Hobson Miller (MI) Shadegg Boswell Gillibrand Matheson Butterfield Jackson (IL) Rangel Hoekstra Miller, Gary Shays Boucher Gingrey Matsui Capps Jackson-Lee Regula Hulshof Moran (KS) Shimkus Boustany Gohmert McCarthy (CA) Capuano (TX) Richardson Inglis (SC) Murphy, Tim Shuster Boyd (FL) Gonzalez McCarthy (NY) Cardoza Jefferson Rodriguez Johnson, Sam Myrick Simpson Boyda (KS) Goode McCaul (TX) Carnahan Johnson (GA) Ross Jones (NC) Neugebauer Smith (NE) Brady (PA) Goodlatte McCollum (MN) Carney Johnson (IL) Rothman Jordan Nunes Smith (NJ) Brady (TX) Gordon McCotter Castor Jones (OH) Roybal-Allard Keller Pearce Smith (TX) Braley (IA) Granger McCrery Chandler Kagen Ruppersberger King (IA) Pence Souder Broun (GA) Graves McDermott Clarke Kanjorski Rush King (NY) Peterson (PA) Stearns Brown (SC) Green, Al McGovern Clay Kaptur Ryan (OH) Kingston Petri Sullivan Brown, Corrine Green, Gene McHenry Cleaver Kennedy Salazar Kirk Pickering Tancredo Brown-Waite, Grijalva McHugh Clyburn Kildee Sa´ nchez, Linda Kline (MN) Pitts Terry Ginny Gutierrez McIntyre Cohen Kilpatrick T. Knollenberg Platts Thornberry Buchanan Hall (NY) McMorris Conyers Kind Sanchez, Loretta Kuhl (NY) Poe Tiahrt Burgess Hall (TX) Rodgers Cooper Klein (FL) Sarbanes LaHood Porter Tiberi Burton (IN) Hare McNerney Costa Kucinich Schakowsky Latham Price (GA) Turner Butterfield Harman McNulty Costello Lampson Schiff LaTourette Pryce (OH) Upton Buyer Hastert Meek (FL) Courtney Langevin Schwartz Lewis (CA) Putnam Walberg Calvert Hastings (FL) Meeks (NY) Cramer Lantos Scott (GA) Lewis (KY) Radanovich Walden (OR) Camp (MI) Hastings (WA) Melancon Crowley Larsen (WA) Scott (VA) Linder Ramstad Walsh (NY) Campbell (CA) Hayes Mica Cuellar Larson (CT) Serrano LoBiondo Rehberg Wamp Cannon Heller Michaud Cummings Lee Sestak Lucas Reichert Weldon (FL) Cantor Hensarling Miller (FL) Davis (AL) Levin Shea-Porter Lungren, Daniel Renzi Weller Capito Herger Miller (MI) E. Reynolds Westmoreland Davis (CA) Lewis (GA) Sherman Capps Herseth Sandlin Miller (NC) Mack Rogers (AL) Whitfield Davis (IL) Lipinski Shuler Capuano Higgins Miller, Gary Manzullo Rogers (KY) Wicker Davis, Lincoln Loebsack Sires Cardoza Hill Miller, George Marchant Rogers (MI) Wilson (NM) Davis, Tom Lofgren, Zoe Skelton Carnahan Hinchey Mitchell DeFazio Lowey Slaughter McCarthy (CA) Rohrabacher Wilson (SC) Carney Hinojosa Mollohan DeGette Lynch Smith (WA) McCaul (TX) Ros-Lehtinen Young (AK) Carter Hirono Moore (WI) Delahunt Mahoney (FL) Snyder McCotter Roskam Young (FL) Castle Hobson Moran (KS) DeLauro Maloney (NY) Solis Castor Hodes Moran (VA) Dicks Markey Space NOT VOTING—15 Chabot Hoekstra Murphy (CT) Dingell Marshall Spratt Bilbray Hunter McKeon Chandler Holden Murphy, Patrick Doggett Matheson Stark Bishop (UT) Issa Musgrave Clarke Holt Murphy, Tim Donnelly Matsui Stupak Carson Jindal Paul Clay Honda Murtha Doyle McCarthy (NY) Sutton Cubin Johnson, E. B. Reyes Cleaver Hooley Musgrave Edwards McCollum (MN) Tanner Feeney Lamborn Wilson (OH) Clyburn Hoyer Myrick Ellison McDermott Tauscher Coble Nadler Ellsworth McGovern Taylor ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE Hulshof Emanuel McIntyre Thompson (CA) Cohen Inglis (SC) Napolitano The SPEAKER pro tempore (during Cole (OK) Inslee Neal (MA) Engel McNerney Thompson (MS) the vote). Members are advised they Eshoo McNulty Tierney Conaway Israel Neugebauer Etheridge Meek (FL) Towns have 2 minutes to record their vote. Costa Jackson (IL) Nunes Farr Meeks (NY) Tsongas Courtney Jackson-Lee Oberstar Fattah Melancon Udall (CO) b 1657 Cramer (TX) Obey Filner Michaud Udall (NM) Crenshaw Jefferson Olver Frank (MA) Miller (NC) Van Hollen So the resolution was agreed to. Crowley Johnson (GA) Ortiz Giffords Miller, George Vela´ zquez The result of the vote was announced Cuellar Johnson (IL) Pallone Gillibrand Mitchell Visclosky Culberson Johnson, Sam Pascrell as above recorded. Cummings Jones (NC) Pastor Gonzalez Mollohan Walz (MN) A motion to reconsider was laid on Gordon Moore (KS) Wasserman Davis (AL) Jones (OH) Payne Green, Al Moore (WI) Schultz the table. Davis (CA) Jordan Pearce Green, Gene Moran (VA) Waters Davis (KY) Kagen Pence Grijalva Murphy (CT) Watson f Davis, David Kanjorski Perlmutter Gutierrez Murphy, Patrick Watt Davis, Lincoln Kaptur Peterson (MN) Hall (NY) Murtha Waxman VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND Deal (GA) Keller Petri Hare Nadler Weiner HOMEGROWN TERRORISM PRE- DeFazio Kennedy Pickering DeGette Kildee Pitts Harman Napolitano Welch (VT) VENTION ACT OF 2007 Hastings (FL) Neal (MA) Wexler Delahunt Kilpatrick Platts Herseth Sandlin Oberstar Wolf The SPEAKER pro tempore. The un- DeLauro Kind Poe Dent King (IA) Pomeroy Higgins Obey Woolsey finished business is the vote on the mo- Hinchey Olver Wu Diaz-Balart, L. King (NY) Porter Hinojosa Ortiz Wynn tion to suspend the rules and pass the Diaz-Balart, M. Kingston Price (GA) Hirono Pallone Yarmuth bill, H.R. 1955, as amended, on which Dicks Kirk Price (NC) the yeas and nays were ordered. Dingell Klein (FL) Pryce (OH) NAYS—186 Doggett Kline (MN) Putnam The Clerk read the title of the bill. Donnelly Knollenberg Radanovich Aderholt Burton (IN) Duncan The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Doolittle Kuhl (NY) Rahall Akin Buyer Ehlers question is on the motion offered by Doyle LaHood Ramstad Alexander Calvert Emerson Drake Lamborn Rangel Bachmann Camp (MI) English (PA) the gentleman from Mississippi (Mr. Dreier Lampson Regula Bachus Campbell (CA) Everett THOMPSON) that the House suspend the Edwards Langevin Rehberg Baker Cannon Fallin rules and pass the bill, H.R. 1955, as Ehlers Lantos Reichert Barrett (SC) Cantor Ferguson Ellison Larsen (WA) Renzi Bartlett (MD) Capito Flake amended. Ellsworth Larson (CT) Reynolds Barton (TX) Carter Forbes This will be a 5-minute vote. Emanuel Latham Richardson Biggert Castle Fortenberry The vote was taken by electronic de- Emerson LaTourette Rodriguez Bilirakis Chabot Fossella vice, and there were—yeas 404, nays 6, Engel Lee Rogers (AL) Blackburn Coble Foxx English (PA) Levin Rogers (KY) Blunt Cole (OK) Franks (AZ) not voting 22, as follows: Eshoo Lewis (CA) Rogers (MI) Boehner Conaway Frelinghuysen [Roll No. 993] Etheridge Lewis (GA) Ros-Lehtinen Bonner Crenshaw Gallegly Everett Lewis (KY) Roskam Bono Culberson Garrett (NJ) YEAS—404 Fallin Linder Ross Boozman Davis (KY) Gerlach Ackerman Bachmann Becerra Farr Lipinski Rothman Boustany Davis, David Gilchrest Aderholt Bachus Berkley Fattah LoBiondo Roybal-Allard Brady (TX) Deal (GA) Gingrey Akin Baird Berman Ferguson Loebsack Royce Broun (GA) Dent Gohmert Alexander Baker Berry Filner Lofgren, Zoe Ruppersberger Brown (SC) Diaz-Balart, L. Goode Allen Baldwin Biggert Forbes Lowey Rush Brown-Waite, Diaz-Balart, M. Goodlatte Altmire Barrow Bilirakis Fortenberry Lucas Ryan (OH) Ginny Doolittle Granger Andrews Bartlett (MD) Bishop (GA) Fossella Lungren, Daniel Ryan (WI) Buchanan Drake Graves Arcuri Barton (TX) Bishop (NY) Foxx E. Salazar Burgess Dreier Hall (TX) Baca Bean Blackburn Frank (MA) Lynch Sali

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00051 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\A23OC7.029 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11900 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 Sa´ nchez, Linda Snyder Visclosky lish the Seng Mountain and Bear Creek which shall be known as the Hunting Camp T. Solis Walberg Scenic Areas, to provide for the devel- Creek Wilderness. Sanchez, Loretta Souder Walden (OR) opment of trail plans for the wilderness ‘‘(14) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- Sarbanes Space Walsh (NY) tional Forest, which comprise approximately Saxton Spratt Walz (MN) areas and scenic areas, and for other 3,291 acres, as generally depicted on the map Schakowsky Stark Wamp purposes, and ask for its immediate Schiff Stearns entitled ‘Hunting Camp Creek and Garden Wasserman consideration. Schmidt Stupak Schultz Mountain’ and dated February 2007, and Schwartz Sullivan Waters The Clerk read the title of the bill. which shall be known as the Garden Moun- Scott (GA) Sutton Watson The text of the bill is as follows: tain Wilderness. Scott (VA) Tancredo Watt ‘‘(15) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- Sensenbrenner Tanner H.R. 1011 Waxman tional Forest, which comprise approximately Serrano Tauscher Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- Weiner Sessions Taylor 5,476 acres, as generally depicted on the map Welch (VT) resentatives of the United States of America in Sestak Terry entitled ‘Mountain Lake Additions’ and Weldon (FL) Congress assembled, Shadegg Thompson (CA) dated February 2007, and which are hereby Shays Thompson (MS) Weller SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE AND TABLE OF CON- incorporated in the Mountain Lake Wilder- Shea-Porter Thornberry Westmoreland TENTS. ness designated by section 2(6) of the Vir- Shimkus Tiahrt Wexler (a) SHORT TITLE.—This Act may be cited as ginia Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98– Shuler Tiberi Whitfield the ‘‘Virginia Ridge and Valley Act of 2007’’. Wicker 586; 98 Stat. 3105). Shuster Tierney (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS.—The table of con- ‘‘(16) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- Simpson Towns Wilson (NM) tents for this Act is as follows: Sires Tsongas Wilson (SC) tional Forest, which comprise approximately Skelton Turner Wolf Sec. 1. Short title and table of contents. 308 acres, as generally depicted on the map Slaughter Udall (CO) Wu Sec. 2. Designation of additional National entitled ‘Lewis Fork Addition and Little Smith (NE) Udall (NM) Wynn Forest System lands in Jeffer- Wilson Creek Additions’ and dated February Smith (NJ) Upton Yarmuth son National Forest, Virginia, 2007, and which are hereby incorporated in Smith (TX) Van Hollen Young (AK) as wilderness or a wilderness the Lewis Fork Wilderness designated by Smith (WA) Vela´ zquez Young (FL) study area. section 2(3) of the Virginia Wilderness Act of NAYS—6 Sec. 3. Designation of Kimberling Creek Po- 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105). tential Wilderness Area, Jeffer- ‘‘(17) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- Abercrombie Duncan Kucinich son National Forest, Virginia. Costello Flake Rohrabacher tional Forest, which comprise approximately Sec. 4. Designation of Seng Mountain and 1,845 acres, as generally depicted on the map NOT VOTING—22 Bear Creek Scenic Areas, Jef- entitled ‘Lewis Fork Addition and Little Barrett (SC) Davis, Tom Paul ferson National Forest, Vir- Wilson Creek Additions’ and dated February Bilbray Feeney Peterson (PA) ginia. 2007, and which are hereby incorporated in Bishop (UT) Hunter Reyes Sec. 5. Trail plan and development. the Little Wilson Creek Wilderness des- Carson Issa Sherman SEC. 2. DESIGNATION OF ADDITIONAL NATIONAL ignated by section 2(5) of the Virginia Wil- Conyers Jindal Wilson (OH) FOREST SYSTEM LANDS IN JEFFER- derness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Cooper Johnson, E. B. Woolsey SON NATIONAL FOREST, VIRGINIA, Stat. 3105). Cubin McKeon AS WILDERNESS OR A WILDERNESS Davis (IL) Moore (KS) ‘‘(18) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- STUDY AREA. tional Forest, which comprise approximately ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE (a) DESIGNATION OF WILDERNESS.—Section 1 2,249 acres, as generally depicted on the map The SPEAKER pro tempore (during of Public Law 100–326 (102 Stat. 584; 16 U.S.C. entitled ‘Shawvers Run Additions’ and dated the vote). Members have less than 2 1132 note), as amended by Public Law 106–471 February 2007, and which are hereby incor- (114 Stat. 2057), is further amended— minutes to vote. porated in the Shawvers Run Wilderness des- (1) in the matter preceding paragraph (1), ignated by paragraph (4). b 1706 by striking ‘‘System—’’ and inserting ‘‘Sys- ‘‘(19) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- tem:’’; tional Forest, which comprise approximately Mr. ABERCROMBIE changed his vote (2) by striking ‘‘certain’’ at the beginning from ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ 1,203 acres, as generally depicted on the map of paragraphs (1) through (8) and inserting entitled ‘Peters Mountain Addition’ and Mr. PENCE and Mr. LOEBSACK ‘‘Certain’’; dated February 2007, and which are hereby changed their vote from ‘‘nay’’ to (3) by striking the semicolon at the end of incorporated in the Peters Mountain Wilder- ‘‘yea.’’ paragraphs (1) through (6) and inserting a pe- ness designated by section 2(7) of the Vir- So (two-thirds being in the affirma- riod; ginia Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98– tive) the rules were suspended and the (4) by striking ‘‘; and’’ at the end of para- 586; 98 Stat. 3105). graph (7) and inserting a period; and bill, as amended, was passed. ‘‘(20) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- (5) by adding at the end the following new tional Forest, which comprise approximately The result of the vote was announced paragraphs: as above recorded. 263 acres, as generally depicted on the map ‘‘(9) Certain lands in the Jefferson National entitled ‘Kimberling Creek Additions and A motion to reconsider was laid on Forest, which comprise approximately 3,769 Potential Wilderness Area’ and dated Feb- the table. acres, as generally depicted on the map enti- ruary 2007, and which are hereby incor- f tled ‘Brush Mountain and Brush Mountain porated in the Kimberling Creek Wilderness East’ and dated February 2007, and which designated by section 2(2) of the Virginia GENERAL LEAVE shall be known as the Brush Mountain East Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I ask Wilderness. Stat. 3105).’’. unanimous consent that all Members ‘‘(10) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- (b) DESIGNATION OF WILDERNESS STUDY tional Forest, which comprise approximately may have 5 legislative days to revise AREA.—Section 6(a) of the Virginia Wilder- 4,794 acres, as generally depicted on the map ness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. and extend their remarks and include entitled ‘Brush Mountain and Brush Moun- 3108) is amended— therein extraneous material on H.R. tain East’ and dated February 2007, and (1) by striking ‘‘certain’’ at the beginning 1011. which shall be known as the Brush Mountain of paragraphs (1) through (4) and inserting The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there Wilderness. ‘‘Certain’’; objection to the request of the gen- ‘‘(11) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- (2) by striking the semicolon at the end of tleman from West Virginia? tional Forest, which comprise approximately paragraphs (1) and (2) and inserting a period; There was no objection. 4,223 acres, as generally depicted on the map (3) by striking ‘‘; and’’ at the end of para- entitled ‘Seng Mountain and Raccoon graph (3) and inserting a period; and f Branch’ and dated February 2007, and which (4) by adding at the end the following new VIRGINIA RIDGE AND VALLEY ACT shall be known as the Raccoon Branch Wil- paragraph: OF 2007 derness. ‘‘(5) Certain lands in the Jefferson National ‘‘(12) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- Forest, which comprise approximately 3,226 Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, pursuant tional Forest, which comprise approximately acres, as generally depicted on a map enti- to House Resolution 763, I call up the 3,270 acres, as generally depicted on the map tled ‘Lynn Camp Creek Wilderness Study bill (H.R. 1011) to designate additional entitled ‘Stone Mountain’ and dated Feb- Area’ and dated February 2007, and which National Forest System lands in the ruary 2007, and which shall be known as the shall be known as the Lynn Camp Creek Wil- State of Virginia as wilderness or a Stone Mountain Wilderness. derness Study Area.’’. ‘‘(13) Certain lands in the Jefferson Na- (c) MAPS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— wilderness study area, to designate the tional Forest, which comprise approximately (1) FILING.—As soon as practicable after Kimberling Creek Potential Wilderness 8,470 acres, as generally depicted on the map the date of the enactment of this Act, the Area for eventual incorporation in the entitled ‘Hunting Camp Creek and Garden Secretary of Agriculture shall file with the Kimberling Creek Wilderness, to estab- Mountain’ and dated February 2007, and Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and

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Forestry of the Senate and the Committee (3) AVAILABILITY.—The map and legal de- have the same force and effect as if included on Natural Resources and the Committee on scription referred to in paragraph (1) shall be in this Act, except that the Secretary of Ag- Agriculture of the House of Representatives on file and available for public inspection in riculture may correct clerical and typo- a map and legal description of each wilder- the Office of the Chief of the Forest Service. graphical errors in the maps and descrip- ness area designated or expanded by the (c) MANAGEMENT.—Except as provided in tions. In the case of any discrepancy between amendments made by subsection (a) and of subsection (d) and subject to valid existing the acreage specified in subsection (a) and the Lynn Camp Creek Wilderness Study Area rights, the Secretary of Agriculture shall the corresponding map filed under paragraph designated by the amendment made by sub- manage the potential wilderness area as wil- (1), the map shall control. section (b). derness pending its incorporation in the (3) AVAILABILITY.—The maps and legal de- (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The maps and legal Kimberling Creek Wilderness. scriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall descriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall (d) ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION.— be on file and available for public inspection have the same force and effect as if included (1) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of ecological in the Office of the Chief of the Forest Serv- in this Act, except that the Secretary of Ag- restoration (including the elimination of ice. riculture may correct clerical and typo- non-native species, removal of illegal, un- (c) PURPOSES OF SCENIC AREAS.—The scenic graphical errors in the maps and descrip- used, or decommissioned roads, and any areas are established for the purposes of— tions. In the case of any discrepancy between other activities necessary to restore the nat- (1) ensuring the protection and preserva- the acreage specified in the amendments ural ecosystems in the potential wilderness tion of scenic quality, water quality, natural made by subsection (a) or (b) and the cor- area), the Secretary of Agriculture may use characteristics, and water resources; responding map filed under paragraph (1), motorized equipment and mechanized trans- (2) protecting wildlife and fish habitat, the map shall control. port in the potential wilderness area until consistent with paragraph (1); (3) AVAILABILITY.—The maps and legal de- its incorporation in the Kimberling Creek (3) protecting areas that may develop char- scriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall Wilderness. acteristics of old-growth forests; and be on file and available for public inspection (2) LIMITATION.—To the maximum extent (4) providing a variety of recreation oppor- in the Office of the Chief of the Forest Serv- practicable, the Secretary shall use the min- tunities, consistent with the preceding para- ice. imum tool or administrative practice nec- graphs. (d) ADMINISTRATION.— essary to accomplish ecological restoration (d) ADMINISTRATION.— (1) NEW WILDERNESS AREAS.—Subject to with the least amount of adverse impact on (1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Agri- valid existing rights, the Secretary of Agri- wilderness character and resources. culture shall administer the scenic areas in culture shall administer the lands in the Jef- (e) WILDERNESS DESIGNATION.—The poten- accordance with this section and the laws ferson National Forest designated as a new tial wilderness area shall be designated as and regulations generally applicable to the wilderness area by the amendments made by wilderness and incorporated in the National Forest System. In the event of con- subsection (a) in accordance with this sec- Kimberling Creek Wilderness on the earlier flict between this section and other laws and tion and the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et of— regulations, this section shall take prece- seq.), except that, with respect to such lands, (1) the date on which the Secretary of Ag- dence. any reference in the Wilderness Act to the riculture publishes in the Federal Register (2) CONSISTENT USE.—The Secretary shall effective date of that Act shall be deemed to notice that the conditions in the potential only allow such uses of the scenic areas as be a reference to the date of the enactment wilderness area that are incompatible with the Secretary finds will further the purposes of this Act. the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.) for which the scenic areas are established. (2) EXPANDED WILDERNESS AREAS.—Subject have been removed; or (e) MANAGEMENT PLAN.—Within two years to valid existing rights, the Secretary of Ag- (2) the date that is five years after the date after the date of the enactment of this Act, riculture shall administer the lands in the of the enactment of this Act. the Secretary of Agriculture shall develop a Jefferson National Forest designated as wil- (f) ADMINISTRATION.—Subject to valid ex- management plan for the scenic areas con- derness and incorporated into an existing isting rights, upon incorporation of the lands sistent with this section. The management wilderness area by the amendments made by designated as wilderness under subsection (e) plan shall be developed as an amendment to subsection (a) in accordance with this sec- in the Kimberling Creek Wilderness, the Sec- the land and resource management plan for tion, the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et retary of Agriculture shall administer the the Jefferson National Forest, except that seq.), and other laws applicable to that wil- lands in accordance with the Wilderness Act nothing in this section requires the Sec- derness area, except that, with respect to (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.) and other laws appli- retary to revise the land and resource man- such lands, any reference in the Wilderness cable to that wilderness area, except that, agement plan for the Jefferson National For- Act to the effective date of that Act shall be with respect to such lands, any reference in est pursuant to section 6 of the Forest and deemed to be a reference to the date of the the Wilderness Act to the effective date of Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning enactment of this Act. that Act shall be deemed to be a reference to Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 1604). (f) ROADS.—After the date of the enact- SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF KIMBERLING CREEK the date on which the lands are designated POTENTIAL WILDERNESS AREA, JEF- as wilderness under subsection (e). ment of this Act, no roads shall be estab- FERSON NATIONAL FOREST, VIR- SEC. 4. DESIGNATION OF SENG MOUNTAIN AND lished or constructed within the scenic GINIA. BEAR CREEK SCENIC AREAS, JEF- areas, except that this prohibition shall not (a) DESIGNATION.—In furtherance of the FERSON NATIONAL FOREST, VIR- be construed to deny access to private lands purposes of the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 GINIA. or interests therein in the scenic areas. et seq.), certain lands in the Jefferson Na- (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—The following Na- (g) VEGETATION MANAGEMENT.—No timber tional Forest, which comprise approximately tional Forest System lands in the State of harvest shall be allowed within the scenic 349 acres, as generally depicted on the map Virginia are hereby designated as National areas, except as the Secretary of Agriculture entitled ‘‘Kimberling Creek Additions and Scenic Areas (in this section referred to as finds necessary in the control of fire, insects, Potential Wilderness Area’’ and dated Feb- the ‘‘scenic areas’’): and diseases and to provide for public safety ruary 2007, are designated as a potential wil- (1) Certain lands in the Jefferson National and trail access. Notwithstanding the pre- derness area for eventual incorporation in Forest, which comprise approximately 6,455 ceding sentence, the Secretary may engage the Kimberling Creek Wilderness designated acres, as generally depicted on the map enti- in vegetation manipulation practices for by section 2(2) of the Virginia Wilderness Act tled ‘‘Seng Mountain and Raccoon Branch’’ maintenance of existing wildlife clearings of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105). and dated February 2007, and which shall be and visual quality. Firewood may be har- (b) MAP AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— known as the Seng Mountain National Sce- vested for personal use along perimeter roads (1) FILING.—As soon as practicable after nic Area. under such conditions as the Secretary may the date of the enactment of this Act, the (2) Certain lands in the Jefferson National impose. Secretary of Agriculture shall file with the Forest, which comprise approximately 5,128 (h) MOTORIZED TRAVEL.—Motorized travel Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and acres, as generally depicted on the map enti- shall not be permitted within the scenic Forestry of the Senate and the Committee tled ‘‘Bear Creek’’ and dated February 2007, areas, except that the Secretary of Agri- on Natural Resources and the Committee on and which shall be known as the Bear Creek culture may authorize motorized travel Agriculture of the House of Representatives National Scenic Area. within the scenic areas— a map and legal description of potential wil- (b) MAPS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— (1) as necessary for administrative use in derness area. (1) FILING.—As soon as practicable after furtherance of the purposes of this section; (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The map and legal the date of the enactment of this Act, the (2) in support of wildlife management description referred to in paragraph (1) shall Secretary of Agriculture shall file with the projects in existence as of the date of the en- have the same force and effect as if included Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and actment of this Act; and in this Act, except that the Secretary of Ag- Forestry of the Senate and the Committee (3) on Forest Development Road 9410 and riculture may correct clerical and typo- on Natural Resources and the Committee on 84b during deer and bear hunting seasons. graphical errors in the map and description. Agriculture of the House of Representatives (i) FIRE.—Wildfires in the scenic area shall In the case of any discrepancy between the a map and legal description of each of the be suppressed in a manner consistent with acreage specified in subsection (a) and the scenic areas. the purposes of this section, using such map filed under paragraph (1), the map shall (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The maps and legal means as the Secretary of Agriculture con- control. descriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall siders appropriate.

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(j) INSECTS AND DISEASE.—Insect and dis- (1) in the matter preceding paragraph (1), by ‘‘(20) Certain lands in the Jefferson National ease outbreaks may be controlled in the sce- striking ‘‘System—’’ and inserting ‘‘System:’’; Forest, which comprise approximately 263 acres, nic areas to maintain scenic quality, prevent (2) by striking ‘‘certain’’ at the beginning of as generally depicted on the map entitled tree mortality, reduce hazards to visitors, or paragraphs (1) through (8) and inserting ‘‘Cer- ‘Kimberling Creek Additions and Potential Wil- protect private lands. tain’’; derness Area’ and dated February 2007, and (k) WATER.—The Secretary of Agriculture (3) by striking the semicolon at the end of which are hereby incorporated in the shall administer the scenic areas so as to paragraphs (1) through (6) and inserting a pe- Kimberling Creek Wilderness designated by sec- maintain and enhance water quality. riod; tion 2(2) of the Virginia Wilderness Act of 1984 (l) MINING WITHDRAWAL.—Subject to valid (4) by striking ‘‘; and’’ at the end of para- (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105).’’. existing rights, all federally owned lands in graph (7) and inserting a period; and (b) DESIGNATION OF WILDERNESS STUDY (5) by adding at the end the following new the scenic areas are withdrawn from loca- AREA.—Section 6(a) of the Virginia Wilderness tion, entry, and patent under the mining paragraphs: Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3108) is ‘‘(9) Certain lands in the Jefferson National laws of the United States and from leasing amended— Forest, which comprise approximately 3,769 claims under the mineral and geothermal (1) by striking ‘‘certain’’ at the beginning of acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled leasing laws of the United States, including paragraphs (1) through (4) and inserting ‘‘Cer- ‘Brush Mountain and Brush Mountain East’ amendments to such laws. tain’’; and dated February 2007, and which shall be (2) by striking the semicolon at the end of SEC. 5. TRAIL PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT. known as the Brush Mountain East Wilderness. (a) TRAIL PLAN.—The Secretary of Agri- ‘‘(10) Certain lands in the Jefferson National paragraphs (1) and (2) and inserting a period; (3) by striking ‘‘; and’’ at the end of para- culture shall establish a trail plan for Na- Forest, which comprise approximately 4,794 tional Forest System lands described in this acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled graph (3) and inserting a period; and (4) by adding at the end the following new subsection in order to develop the following: ‘Brush Mountain and Brush Mountain East’ paragraph: (1) Hiking and equestrian trails on the and dated February 2007, and which shall be ‘‘(5) Certain lands in the Jefferson National lands in the Jefferson National Forest des- known as the Brush Mountain Wilderness. ignated as wilderness by the amendments ‘‘(11) Certain lands in the Jefferson National Forest, which comprise approximately 3,226 made by section 2(a), in a manner consistent Forest, which comprise approximately 4,223 acres, as generally depicted on a map entitled with the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled ‘Lynn Camp Creek Wilderness Study Area’ and seq.). ‘Seng Mountain and Raccoon Branch’ and dated February 2007, and which shall be known (2) Nonmotorized recreation trails within dated February 2007, and which shall be known as the Lynn Camp Creek Wilderness Study the Seng Mountain and Bear Creek Scenic as the Raccoon Branch Wilderness. Area.’’. Areas designated by section 4. ‘‘(12) Certain lands in the Jefferson National (c) MAPS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— ILING (b) CONSULTATION.—The Secretary of Agri- Forest, which comprise approximately 3,270 (1) F .—As soon as practicable after the culture shall establish the trail plan in con- acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary sultation with interested parties. ‘Stone Mountain’ and dated February 2007, and of Agriculture shall file with the Committee on (c) IMPLEMENTATION REPORT.—Not later which shall be known as the Stone Mountain Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry of the Sen- than two years after the date of the enact- Wilderness. ate and the Committee on Natural Resources ment of this Act, the Secretary of Agri- ‘‘(13) Certain lands in the Jefferson National and the Committee on Agriculture of the House culture shall submit to Congress a report on Forest, which comprise approximately 8,470 of Representatives a map and legal description the implementation of the trail plan, includ- acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled of each wilderness area designated or expanded ing the identification of priority trails for ‘Hunting Camp Creek and Garden Mountain’ by the amendments made by subsection (a) and development. and dated February 2007, and which shall be of the Lynn Camp Creek Wilderness Study Area (d) TRAIL REQUIRED.—The Secretary of Ag- known as the Hunting Camp Creek Wilderness. designated by the amendment made by sub- riculture shall develop a sustainable trail, ‘‘(14) Certain lands in the Jefferson National section (b). using a contour curvilinear alignment, to Forest, which comprise approximately 3,291 (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The maps and legal provide a continuous connection for non-mo- acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled descriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall torized travel between County Route 650 and ‘Hunting Camp Creek and Garden Mountain’ have the same force and effect as if included in Forest Development Road 4018 in Smyth and dated February 2007, and which shall be this Act, except that the Secretary of Agri- County, Virginia. known as the Garden Mountain Wilderness. culture may correct clerical and typographical ‘‘(15) Certain lands in the Jefferson National errors in the maps and descriptions. In the case The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Forest, which comprise approximately 5,476 of any discrepancy between the acreage speci- ant to House Resolution 763, the acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled fied in the amendments made by subsection (a) amendment in the nature of a sub- ‘Mountain Lake Additions’ and dated February or (b) and the corresponding map filed under stitute printed in the bill is adopted 2007, and which are hereby incorporated in the paragraph (1), the map shall control. and the bill, as amended, is considered Mountain Lake Wilderness designated by sec- (3) AVAILABILITY.—The maps and legal de- read. tion 2(6) of the Virginia Wilderness Act of 1984 scriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall be The text of the bill, as amended, is as (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105). on file and available for public inspection in the follows: ‘‘(16) Certain lands in the Jefferson National Office of the Chief of the Forest Service. Forest, which comprise approximately 308 acres, (d) ADMINISTRATION.— H.R. 1011 as generally depicted on the map entitled ‘Lewis (1) NEW WILDERNESS AREAS.—Subject to valid Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rep- Fork Addition and Little Wilson Creek Addi- existing rights, the Secretary of Agriculture resentatives of the United States of America in tions’ and dated February 2007, and which are shall administer the lands in the Jefferson Na- Congress assembled, hereby incorporated in the Lewis Fork Wilder- tional Forest designated as a new wilderness SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE AND TABLE OF CON- ness designated by section 2(3) of the Virginia area by the amendments made by subsection (a) TENTS. Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; 98 in accordance with this section and the Wilder- (a) SHORT TITLE.—This Act may be cited as Stat. 3105). ness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.), except that, the ‘‘Virginia Ridge and Valley Act of 2007’’. ‘‘(17) Certain lands in the Jefferson National with respect to such lands, any reference in the (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS.—The table of con- Forest, which comprise approximately 1,845 Wilderness Act to the effective date of that Act tents for this Act is as follows: acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled shall be deemed to be a reference to the date of Sec. 1. Short title and table of contents. ‘Lewis Fork Addition and Little Wilson Creek the enactment of this Act. Sec. 2. Designation of additional National For- Additions’ and dated February 2007, and which (2) EXPANDED WILDERNESS AREAS.—Subject to est System lands in Jefferson Na- are hereby incorporated in the Little Wilson valid existing rights, the Secretary of Agri- tional Forest, Virginia, as wilder- Creek Wilderness designated by section 2(5) of culture shall administer the lands in the Jeffer- ness or a wilderness study area. the Virginia Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law son National Forest designated as wilderness Sec. 3. Designation of Kimberling Creek Poten- 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105). and incorporated into an existing wilderness tial Wilderness Area, Jefferson ‘‘(18) Certain lands in the Jefferson National area by the amendments made by subsection (a) National Forest, Virginia. Forest, which comprise approximately 2,249 in accordance with this section, the Wilderness Sec. 4. Designation of Seng Mountain and Bear acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.), and other laws ap- Creek Scenic Areas, Jefferson Na- ‘Shawvers Run Additions’ and dated February plicable to that wilderness area, except that, tional Forest, Virginia. 2007, and which are hereby incorporated in the with respect to such lands, any reference in the Sec. 5. Trail plan and development. Shawvers Run Wilderness designated by para- Wilderness Act to the effective date of that Act SEC. 2. DESIGNATION OF ADDITIONAL NATIONAL graph (4). shall be deemed to be a reference to the date of FOREST SYSTEM LANDS IN JEFFER- ‘‘(19) Certain lands in the Jefferson National the enactment of this Act. SON NATIONAL FOREST, VIRGINIA, Forest, which comprise approximately 1,203 SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF KIMBERLING CREEK PO- AS WILDERNESS OR A WILDERNESS acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled TENTIAL WILDERNESS AREA, JEF- STUDY AREA. ‘Peters Mountain Addition’ and dated February FERSON NATIONAL FOREST, VIR- (a) DESIGNATION OF WILDERNESS.—Section 1 2007, and which are hereby incorporated in the GINIA. of Public Law 100–326 (102 Stat. 584; 16 U.S.C. Peters Mountain Wilderness designated by sec- (a) DESIGNATION.—In furtherance of the pur- 1132 note), as amended by Public Law 106–471 tion 2(7) of the Virginia Wilderness Act of 1984 poses of the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et (114 Stat. 2057), is further amended— (Public Law 98–586; 98 Stat. 3105). seq.), certain lands in the Jefferson National

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Forest, which comprise approximately 349 acres, acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled (h) MOTORIZED TRAVEL.—Motorized travel as generally depicted on the map entitled ‘‘Seng Mountain and Raccoon Branch’’ and shall not be permitted within the scenic areas, ‘‘Kimberling Creek Additions and Potential Wil- dated February 2007, and which shall be known except that the Secretary of Agriculture may au- derness Area’’ and dated February 2007, are as the Seng Mountain National Scenic Area. thorize motorized travel within the scenic designated as a potential wilderness area for (2) Certain lands in the Jefferson National areas— eventual incorporation in the Kimberling Creek Forest, which comprise approximately 5,128 (1) as necessary for administrative use in fur- Wilderness designated by section 2(2) of the Vir- acres, as generally depicted on the map entitled therance of the purposes of this section; ginia Wilderness Act of 1984 (Public Law 98–586; ‘‘Bear Creek’’ and dated February 2007, and (2) in support of wildlife management projects 98 Stat. 3105). which shall be known as the Bear Creek Na- in existence as of the date of the enactment of (b) MAP AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— tional Scenic Area. this Act; and (1) FILING.—As soon as practicable after the (b) MAPS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.— (3) on Forest Development Roads 9410 and 84b date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary (1) FILING.—As soon as practicable after the during deer and bear hunting seasons and on of Agriculture shall file with the Committee on date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary that portion of Forest Development Road 6261 Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry of the Sen- of Agriculture shall file with the Committee on designated on the map referred to in subsection ate and the Committee on Natural Resources Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry of the Sen- (a)(2) as ‘‘open seasonally’’ during deer and and the Committee on Agriculture of the House ate and the Committee on Natural Resources bear hunting seasons. of Representatives a map and legal description and the Committee on Agriculture of the House (i) FIRE.—Wildfires in the scenic area shall be of potential wilderness area. of Representatives a map and legal description suppressed in a manner consistent with the pur- (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The map and legal of each of the scenic areas. poses of this section, using such means as the description referred to in paragraph (1) shall (2) FORCE AND EFFECT.—The maps and legal Secretary of Agriculture considers appropriate. have the same force and effect as if included in descriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall (j) INSECTS AND DISEASE.—Insect and disease this Act, except that the Secretary of Agri- have the same force and effect as if included in outbreaks may be controlled in the scenic areas culture may correct clerical and typographical this Act, except that the Secretary of Agri- to maintain scenic quality, prevent tree mor- errors in the map and description. In the case of culture may correct clerical and typographical tality, reduce hazards to visitors, or protect pri- any discrepancy between the acreage specified errors in the maps and descriptions. In the case vate lands. in subsection (a) and the map filed under para- of any discrepancy between the acreage speci- (k) WATER.—The Secretary of Agriculture graph (1), the map shall control. fied in subsection (a) and the corresponding shall administer the scenic areas so as to main- (3) AVAILABILITY.—The map and legal de- map filed under paragraph (1), the map shall tain and enhance water quality. scription referred to in paragraph (1) shall be on control. (l) MINING WITHDRAWAL.—Subject to valid ex- file and available for public inspection in the (3) AVAILABILITY.—The maps and legal de- isting rights, all federally owned lands in the Office of the Chief of the Forest Service. scriptions referred to in paragraph (1) shall be scenic areas are withdrawn from location, (c) MANAGEMENT.—Except as provided in sub- on file and available for public inspection in the entry, and patent under the mining laws of the section (d) and subject to valid existing rights, Office of the Chief of the Forest Service. United States and from leasing claims under the the Secretary of Agriculture shall manage the (c) PURPOSES OF SCENIC AREAS.—The scenic mineral and geothermal leasing laws of the potential wilderness area as wilderness pending areas are established for the purposes of— United States, including amendments to such its incorporation in the Kimberling Creek Wil- (1) ensuring the protection and preservation laws. derness. of scenic quality, water quality, natural charac- SEC. 5. TRAIL PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT. (d) ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION.— teristics, and water resources; RAIL LAN (1) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of ecological (a) T P .—The Secretary of Agriculture (2) protecting wildlife and fish habitat, con- shall establish a trail plan for National Forest restoration (including the elimination of non- sistent with paragraph (1); native species, removal of illegal, unused, or de- System lands described in this subsection in (3) protecting areas that may develop charac- order to develop the following: commissioned roads, and any other activities teristics of old-growth forests; and necessary to restore the natural ecosystems in (1) Hiking and equestrian trails on the lands (4) providing a variety of recreation opportu- in the Jefferson National Forest designated as the potential wilderness area), the Secretary of nities, consistent with the preceding para- Agriculture may use motorized equipment and wilderness by the amendments made by section graphs. 2(a), in a manner consistent with the Wilderness mechanized transport in the potential wilder- (d) ADMINISTRATION.— ness area until its incorporation in the Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.). (1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Agriculture (2) Nonmotorized recreation trails within the Kimberling Creek Wilderness. shall administer the scenic areas in accordance (2) LIMITATION.—To the maximum extent Seng Mountain and Bear Creek Scenic Areas with this section and the laws and regulations designated by section 4. practicable, the Secretary shall use the minimum generally applicable to the National Forest Sys- tool or administrative practice necessary to ac- (b) CONSULTATION.—The Secretary of Agri- tem. In the event of conflict between this section culture shall establish the trail plan in con- complish ecological restoration with the least and other laws and regulations, this section amount of adverse impact on wilderness char- sultation with interested parties. shall take precedence. (c) IMPLEMENTATION REPORT.—Not later than acter and resources. (2) CONSISTENT USE.—The Secretary shall only (e) WILDERNESS DESIGNATION.—The potential two years after the date of the enactment of this allow such uses of the scenic areas as the Sec- Act, the Secretary of Agriculture shall submit to wilderness area shall be designated as wilder- retary finds will further the purposes for which ness and incorporated in the Kimberling Creek Congress a report on the implementation of the the scenic areas are established. trail plan, including the identification of pri- Wilderness on the earlier of— (e) MANAGEMENT PLAN.—Within two years (1) the date on which the Secretary of Agri- ority trails for development. after the date of the enactment of this Act, the culture publishes in the Federal Register notice (d) TRAIL REQUIRED.—The Secretary of Agri- Secretary of Agriculture shall develop a man- that the conditions in the potential wilderness culture shall develop a sustainable trail, using a agement plan for the scenic areas consistent area that are incompatible with the Wilderness contour curvilinear alignment, to provide a con- with this section. The management plan shall be Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.) have been removed; tinuous connection for non-motorized travel be- developed as an amendment to the land and re- or tween County Route 650 and Forest Develop- source management plan for the Jefferson Na- (2) the date that is five years after the date of ment Road 4018 in Smyth County, Virginia. tional Forest, except that nothing in this section the enactment of this Act. The SPEAKER pro tempore. After 1 (f) ADMINISTRATION.—Subject to valid existing requires the Secretary to revise the land and re- source management plan for the Jefferson Na- hour of debate on the bill, as amended, rights, upon incorporation of the lands des- it shall be in order to consider the ignated as wilderness under subsection (e) in tional Forest pursuant to section 6 of the Forest the Kimberling Creek Wilderness, the Secretary and Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning amendment printed in House Report of Agriculture shall administer the lands in ac- Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 1604). 110–403 if offered by the gentleman cordance with the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. (f) ROADS.—After the date of the enactment of from Virginia (Mr. GOODLATTE) or his 1131 et seq.) and other laws applicable to that this Act, no roads shall be established or con- designee, which shall be in order with- wilderness area, except that, with respect to structed within the scenic areas, except that this out intervention of any point of order prohibition shall not be construed to deny ac- such lands, any reference in the Wilderness Act or demand for division of the question, to the effective date of that Act shall be deemed cess to private lands or interests therein in the scenic areas. shall be considered read, and shall be to be a reference to the date on which the lands debatable for 10 minutes, equally di- are designated as wilderness under subsection (g) VEGETATION MANAGEMENT.—No timber (e). harvest shall be allowed within the scenic areas, vided and controlled by the proponent except as the Secretary of Agriculture finds nec- SEC. 4. DESIGNATION OF SENG MOUNTAIN AND and an opponent. BEAR CREEK SCENIC AREAS, JEF- essary in the control of fire, insects, and dis- The gentleman from West Virginia FERSON NATIONAL FOREST, VIR- eases and to provide for public safety and trail (Mr. RAHALL) and the gentleman from access. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, GINIA. Alaska (Mr. YOUNG) each will control the Secretary may engage in vegetation manipu- (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—The following National 30 minutes. Forest System lands in the State of Virginia are lation practices for maintenance of existing hereby designated as National Scenic Areas (in wildlife clearings and visual quality. Firewood The Chair recognizes the gentleman this section referred to as the ‘‘scenic areas’’): may be harvested for personal use along perim- from West Virginia. (1) Certain lands in the Jefferson National eter roads under such conditions as the Sec- Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I yield to Forest, which comprise approximately 6,455 retary may impose. the gentleman from Virginia (Mr.

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National Forest Plan or have been en- Once this bill becomes law, our con- Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of H.R. dorsed by the local board of supervisors stituents, your constituents, may find 1011, the Virginia Ridge and Valley Act of of the relevant county. All the areas of that they may not be able to burn wood 2007, introduced by my colleague from Vir- H.R. 1011 are located within the dis- in their fireplaces that keep them ginia’s Ninth Congressional District, Congress- trict of Representative BOUCHER, who warm in the winter because their qual- man RICK BOUCHER. I am proud to have been has been a true leader and fighter for ity of wilderness must be protected, or an original cosponsor of this important con- this legislation and deserves the com- that a new school or hospital can’t be servation legislation in this Congress and in mendation of us all. built because the view shed for the wil- the last Congress and I commend Congress- All are located within his District, as derness could be affected. People are man BOUCHER for all his hard work on this bill I said, with the exception of a 555 wil- even talking about ‘‘smellscapes’’ when over the years. derness-acre addition that I am proud it comes to wilderness areas, so enjoy This bipartisan bill will protect approximately to note is in my congressional district your Weber grill right now while you 54,000 acres of the Jefferson National Forest in Monroe County, West Virginia. Wil- can. in Virginia through the designation of addi- derness designation is not new to this The committee should also know tional wilderness areas and the creation of portion of Virginia. In addition to des- that H.R. 1011 designates nearly 27,000 new National Scenic Areas. Although mecha- ignating six new wilderness areas, the acres of wilderness above what was rec- nized traffic and equipment would be prohib- legislation provides for additions to six ommended by the Forest Service. This ited in much of these areas, recreational ac- existing wilderness areas. is contrary to the recently revised Jef- tivities would be permitted and encouraged The people of this area are well ac- ferson National Forest Plan, which throughout these new designations contrib- quainted with wilderness, and H.R. 1011 took 11 years, millions of dollars, and uting to the local economy of Southwest Vir- reflects their desire to preserve these extensive public involvement to create. ginia. Protecting these additional acres of pris- natural treasures. By designating wil- We asked for this study. They followed tine forest will ensure that future generations derness, the Congress has long recog- the rules, but now we are ignoring the will be able to enjoy the natural beauty of nized that there are some places that professional land managers. Southwest Virginia. We must also be vigilant should be left to the management of In addition, H.R. 1011 will endanger in protecting environmentally sensitive areas Mother Nature and that the all-know- citizens living near this proposed wil- by promoting responsible land use plans, ing Creator’s careful handiwork is derness area by tying the hands of the which this bill does. something worth conserving and cher- Forest Service, who need to perform The bill before us today was reported out of ishing. proactive treatments that could reduce the Natural Resources Committee by voice H.R. 1011 is a well-crafted and meri- the risk of wildfires. Wildfires, I keep vote, is endorsed by the U.S. Forest Service, torious measure that has broad support stressing that because we are seeing and is supported by Virginia Governor TIM for those who live in the area and their what is happening in California. If they KAINE, members from both parties in the Vir- elected officials. cleared off those forests around those ginia delegation, both of Virginia’s Senators, Mr. Speaker, I urge adoption of the homes, they would not be burning JOHN WARNER and JIM WEBB, the Board of Su- bill in the House today. today, but that was prohibited. pervisors in Bland County, Craig County, I reserve the balance of my time. Nonqualifying areas are now being Montgomery County, and Smyth County, and Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Speaker, I actively managed for endangered various environmental organizations, including come from a State which has more of threatened species protection, and this the League of Conservation Voters, the Gar- its land locked up in wilderness than could come to an end. den Club of Virginia, the Natural Resources any other State, 58 million acres. This The amendment filed by Mr. GOOD- Defense Council, the Sierra Club, the Wilder- is larger than the entire State of New LATTE helps mitigate some of these ness Society, and the Virginia Wilderness York and accounts for 56 percent of all issues, and I will strongly support the Committee. the wilderness in the United States, so amendment. Most notably, the amend- Mr. Speaker, this bill is vitally important to I think I know wilderness. I know that ment will remove 26 acres which con- conservation efforts in the Commonwealth of a lot of wilderness in Alaska is des- tain a power line and remove 1,263 Virginia and to guaranteeing that future gen- ignated for reasons that have little to acres from the proposed designation to erations of Americans can experience the nat- do with the stated goals of the Wilder- allow continued use of the Barton Gap ural wonder and beauty of Southwest Virginia. ness Act. Motorized trail and Wildlife Habitat I applaud Congressman BOUCHER and his The designations have blocked vital Management in key areas. staff for all of their hard work on this bill. I en- uses of these lands and blocked access I could go on and on about this. I just courage my colleagues to support the legisla- to State and private resources that we want to warn people, it is not the area tion and I encourage each of them to experi- Alaskans were promised when we en- we are talking about; it is the Wilder- ence firsthand the pristine natural beauty of tered statehood. There have been and ness Act itself, and it should be up- Southwest Virginia. still are major consequences for what graded. I encourage my chairman to do Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I yield Congress did in 1980. In the East, where so so that we can address those prob- myself such time as I may consume. most of you come from, that is not al- lems that can occur from the designa- H.R. 1011, the Virginia Ridge and Val- ways the case. tion of wilderness, taking care of gypsy ley Act, was introduced by my friend All I can say is that if this is what moths, taking care of the fires, taking and neighboring colleague, Representa- Mr. BOUCHER and his constituents want care of the ability to access and to tive RICK BOUCHER. in Virginia, then good luck. I can guess have the availability of the area for The bill designates nearly 40,000 acres that one day, I think that one day they public use. If we do not do that, then I in the Jefferson National Forest as wil- will regret this action. Given Virginia’s think we are doing ourselves a great derness and nearly 12,000 acres as Na- population growth, the severe risk of mistake. tional Scenic Areas. These natural forest fires, such as they are in Cali- I do not live in this area. I am not af- spaces represent some of the true wild fornia today, caused by sustained fected by it. That’s why, very frankly, gems of the Commonwealth of Virginia drought, I believe all but two counties I am not raising some of the objections and my State of West Virginia. have been declared disaster areas by that I should have raised to it. H.R. 1011 is a strong bipartisan meas- the Governor last week, problems with I think you will learn, though, in the ure that is cosponsored by several gypsy moths and other agricultural long run, you are not doing yourselves other representatives from Virginia. threats to this area and the dampening a favor. The Forest Service themselves H.R. 1011 also has broad support from effect that wilderness restrictions can can manage this land in a manner that Governor Tim Kaine, both Virginia have on the development of adjacent will take and provide for the people. It

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Mr. Speaker, in 1964 have to revise it. the permanent protection that will Congress created the Wilderness Preservation Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of then be afforded will further enhance System to recognize and protect pure, my time. our region’s travel economy. These des- untarnished areas of land. With a wilderness b 1715 ignations also protect old-growth tim- designation, the land is off-limits to develop- ber, wildlife habitat, and our region’s ment, natural resource extraction and most Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I’m very clean water resources. forms of mechanized activity. Congress cre- proud to yield 5 minutes to my dear Virginia has a long and proud history ated this system as they witnessed these nat- friend and the very powerful sub- of resource conservation and protec- ural splendors continuing to disappear. Forty committee Chair of Energy and Air tion of our diverse ecosystems. We years later, lands remain eligible for such a Quality, Mr. BOUCHER. have continual awareness of the unique designation, but Congress has failed to pro- (Mr. BOUCHER asked and was given role that our natural landscape plays vide them protection. permission to revise and extend his re- in our culture and in our State’s his- These areas are rarer today than ever be- marks.) tory. That awareness is reflected in the fore. Failure to protect them now would leave Mr. BOUCHER. Mr. Speaker, I want bipartisan support for this measure in them vulnerable to actions that could jeop- to thank the gentleman from West Vir- both our House and Senate delegations. ardize the inherent qualities that make them ginia (Mr. RAHALL) who, with such dis- It is reflected in the endorsement of eligible to be classified as wilderness. tinction, chairs the Committee on Nat- this bill by local governments in my With passage, the House will designate ural Resources, for his leadership and congressional district, and it is re- 43,000 acres of the Jefferson National Forest his very able assistance in bringing flected in the endorsements for the bill as wilderness and add 12,000 acres to the this measure to the House floor today. of numerous civic organizations and National Scenic Areas inventory. With this ac- Earlier this year, I introduced the literally of scores of local businesses. tion we will ensure our nation’s children and legislation, along with other members With thanks to the six Virginia co- grandchildren visiting our great Common- of Virginia’s House delegation. In fact, sponsors, and all who have assisted us, wealth in the years to come, will have the original cosponsors of this legislation and particular thanks to Chairman RA- same access to pristine lands as was avail- comprise a majority of Virginia’s HALL of the Natural Resources Com- able to us and those who preceded us. House delegation, and it is a bipartisan mittee, and his outstanding staff, I The solitude that can be found in these majority of that delegation. And I urge passage of the Virginia Ridge and areas is something every American should ex- want to express my appreciation to our Valley Act. perience. It harkens back to the founding of colleagues from Virginia, Representa- Over the last several weeks, I have this great nation and provides an insight into tives WOLF, DAVIS, SCOTT and MORAN been engaged in discussions with my the minds of those gone by. for coauthoring the bill, along with me, friend and colleague, the gentleman As we continue to experience economic and for their strong support of this ef- from our neighboring Sixth Congres- gains, we can also expect continued popu- fort. I would also note, Mr. Speaker, sional district in Virginia (Mr. GOOD- lation growth, sprawl and strain on our envi- that the legislation was coauthored by LATTE) regarding the possibility of ad- ronment. With these combined factors, our our recently departed colleague, Mrs. justing the boundaries of some of the untarnished lands grow increasingly vulner- Davis as well. areas receiving protection in this legis- able, but they also grow increasingly valuable. Again, on a bipartisan basis, Vir- lation. Let us act to protect them now. Protect ginia’s United States Senators have in- Mr. GOODLATTE will be offering an them for their beauty. Protect them for their troduced a measure identical to the amendment shortly that reflects our purity. Protect them for our children. bill that is under consideration today. conversations and our agreement to ad- Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I yield The Virginia Ridge and Valley Act just some of those boundaries. I’ll be back the balance of my time. offers needed protection to 53,000 acres urging the adoption of Mr. GOOD- The SPEAKER pro tempore. All time of national forest land in the congres- LATTE’s amendment when that amend- for debate on the bill has expired. sional district that I have the privilege ment is offered later this afternoon. AMENDMENT NO. 1 OFFERED BY MR. GOODLATTE of representing. It extends protection I, again, thank the gentleman from Mr. GOODLATTE. Mr. Speaker, I to approximately 550 acres of the Jef- West Virginia for yielding this time to have an amendment at the desk. ferson National Forest situated in our me. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The neighboring State of West Virginia, in Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. Mr. Speaker, I Clerk will designate the amendment. the congressional district represented appreciate the gentleman that just The text of the amendment is as fol- by Chairman RAHALL. spoke and his presentation. I just, lows: Of the total acreage protected, 43,000 again, wish that people would under- Amendment No. 1 printed in House Report acres will receive the wilderness des- stand it’s not the wilderness itself; it’s 110–403 offered by Mr. GOODLATTE: ignation, and 10,000 acres will become how the act has been written. And if Page 3, line 20, strike ‘‘3,769 acres’’ and in- new national scenic areas. These des- you think you’re going to make a liv- sert ‘‘3,743 acres’’. ignations confer both economic and en- ing off of coffee shops and tourism, Page 3, line 22, strike ‘‘February’’ and in- vironmental benefits that are of great these are low-grade paying jobs. I’ve sert ‘‘October’’. Page 12, line 23, strike ‘‘6,455 acres’’ and in- importance to our region. seen it happen. I’ve seen my town of sert ‘‘5,192 acres’’. Virginia’s national forest provides an Ketchikan. We created a forest that we Page 12, line 25, strike ‘‘February’’ and in- excellent outdoor experience with our can’t harvest and we took $80,000 jobs sert ‘‘October’’. State’s highest mountains, fast-flowing now down to the minimum wage. That Page 18, beginning line 6, strike subsection rivers and superb hunting, camping, will happen too. So I just, and it’s too (d) and insert the following new subsection: fishing, backpacking, winter sports and late, it’s your district. You believe in (d) TRAIL REQUIRED.—The Secretary of Ag- other activities. what you say, and I commend you for riculture shall develop a sustainable trail, using a contour curvilinear alignment, to Our existing wilderness areas are it. But this is not the economy which I provide for non-motorized travel along the treasured by a growing number of trav- see, serving those that come from the southern boundary of the Raccoon Branch elers who collectively are boosting Vir- larger urban areas, the elitists, as I Wilderness established by section 1(11) of ginia’s tourism economy. In fact, tour- call it. Public Law 100–326, as added by (2)(a) of this ism is among the fastest growing of all And this area, by the way, was Act, connecting to Forest Development Road the industries in my congressional dis- farmed at one time, as you know, and 49352 in Smyth County, Virginia. trict; and our existing wilderness timbered and mined. People had jobs The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- areas, which are a haven for outdoor that provided and produced. We are ant to House Resolution 763, the gen- activities and recreation of various rapidly becoming a Nation of consump- tleman from Virginia (Mr. GOODLATTE)

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Mr. Speaker, I rise over 100 technical meetings and re- is my intention to urge that the today to offer an amendment which ceived over 15,000 public comments. amendment be adopted. represents an agreement just ref- This local approach is what Congress Under the amendment, 26 acres will erenced by my friend and colleague, intended when it established the na- be removed from the Brush Mountain Mr. BOUCHER, and myself regarding tional forests. Instead of resisting this East Wilderness Area in order to en- some of the concerns with regard to localized process, H.R. 1011 tells the sure that an existing power line is not H.R. 1011, the Virginia Ridge and Val- professional land managers and the within the wilderness boundary. ley Act. And I’d like to thank Con- public participants that the forest plan Another adjustment is of 1,263 acres, gressman BOUCHER and congratulate is not important. It says that no mat- and that is in the Seng Mountain Sce- him for his hard work on this legisla- ter how much discussion and com- nic Area, which will carve out a motor- tion over a number of years, and thank promise goes on at the local level, or cycle trail and an area appropriate for him for working with me to address how good the science is, Congress bear habitat management. some of these important issues. knows best how to manage the na- Another portion of the amendment H.R. 1011, the Virginia Ridge and Val- tional forest. provides greater flexibility for the For- ley Act, creates over 40,000 acres of wil- Mr. Speaker, this is not the best way est Service regarding trail construc- derness, wilderness study, and poten- to manage the Nation’s public forests. tion adjacent to the Raccoon Branch tial wilderness and over 11,000 acres of And that’s why I have worked with my designated area. national scenic areas in the Jefferson colleague, Mr. BOUCHER, to try to rec- And as I indicated, these changes im- National Forest in southwest Virginia. tify these concerns. Until this bill is prove the legislation, and I urge adop- Mr. BOUCHER and I share the Jeffer- more reflective of the local perspec- tion of the amendment which makes son National Forest between our dis- tives and expert opinions in the forest them. tricts. Although this bill affects only plan, I will continue to have concerns As for the underlying bill, I would national forest land within Mr. BOU- with H.R. 1011. point out that this is truly a bipartisan CHER’s district, any change in how the I urge my colleagues to vote ‘‘yes’’ measure. It is cosponsored in this body forest is managed will impact my dis- on this amendment, however, because I by a majority of Virginia’s House dele- trict. do think that the gentleman has been gation, including three original Repub- My amendment addresses three very forthcoming in working with us lican sponsors, three original Demo- areas. First, it modifies the boundary and hearing our concerns. And I hope cratic sponsors. of the Brush Mountain East Wilderness that that will continue as this process In the other body, both of Virginia’s Area, removing 26 acres containing a moves forward, and I would hope that United States Senators, on a bipartisan power line which is not consistent with the chairman of the Resources Com- basis, have introduced the identical wilderness qualities. mittee would work with us as well to measure. And so the construction of Second, the amendment changes the continue to address concerns that we this legislation arises from a deep bi- boundaries of the Seng Mountain Na- have as the bill moves through the partisan conversation that has pro- tional Scenic Area, removing 1,263 other body. ceeded over a number of years. acres from the area to allow continued Again, I thank the gentleman from It also strongly reflects the desires of use of the Barton Gap Motorized Trail Virginia for his hard work on this leg- the people in the district that I have and to allow for wildlife habitat man- islation, for his willingness to work the privilege of representing. It is true agement. with me in addressing these concerns. I that some of the areas added for pro- Finally, the amendment changes the wish more had been addressed, but I tection in this measure go beyond what trail language for the Raccoon Branch thank him for where he has come. the forest plan devised by the Jefferson Area, allowing the Forest Service more I reserve the balance of my time. National Forest management had rec- flexibility when building the trail. Mr. BOUCHER. Mr. Speaker, I rise to ommended. While I’m pleased to offer this claim the time in opposition to the b 1730 amendment, it does not resolve all the amendment. concerns I have with the bill. The fact The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the But nowhere is it written that Con- still remains that this bill ignores the gentleman opposed to the amendment? gress making ultimate public policy is recommendations of the professional Mr. BOUCHER. I would say to the in some way disabled from adding areas land managers working in the Jeffer- Speaker that I rise for purposes of for protection that go beyond what the son National Forest by designating claiming the time in opposition, al- agency suggests it would like to see. 15,000 additional wilderness acres not though I will not actually oppose the We have incorporated the rec- recommended in the forest plan. amendment. ommendations made in the forest plan, When the House Agriculture Com- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without and we have added selected additional mittee held a hearing on H.R. 1011 ear- objection, the gentleman from Virginia acreages that have been endorsed by lier this month, several witnesses high- is recognized for 5 minutes. the local governments, by the elected lighted serious concerns with these ad- There was no objection. boards of supervisors that reflect the ditional wilderness areas. These ex- (Mr. BOUCHER asked and was given will of the people and the counties perts noted forest health and wildfire permission to revise and extend his re- where these added areas are situated. risks, increased recreation conflicts, marks.) I would also note that large numbers lack of suitability as wilderness and Mr. BOUCHER. Mr. Speaker, I want of civic organizations and scores of lo- wildlife management needs. to thank the gentleman from Virginia cally owned businesses have endorsed Mr. Speaker, there is a reason why (Mr. GOODLATTE) for the good work the passage of this measure. And it Congress mandated that each national that we have been able to do together clearly, given that broad base of sup- forest create a forest plan. Forest plans on the amendment that he offers this port, bipartisan here, and among elect- help the land management agencies afternoon. I want to thank him for the ed representatives, local businesses, find a balance among all the con- time that he and I have expended in civic organizations, and others in the flicting interests in national forests conversations about the subject matter district that I represent, clearly rep- and factor in the latest science and cite the amendment addresses, and for the resents the will of what the people in specific qualities unique to each forest. considerable amount of time that his that part of Virginia would like to Professional land managers then use very capable staff and mine have also have. this information to chart a path for expended on this matter. The staffs So, Mr. Speaker, I hope that our col- managing each forest for the coming have focused on it a bit more than we leagues will join us in approving this years. have. legislation and in adopting the amend- The Jefferson Forest Plan, finalized Collectively, I think we’ve done a ment offered by the gentleman from in 2004, was developed over a 12-year very good job in addressing a range of Virginia.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00058 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.127 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11907 Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance areas in response to health and safety vague. It should not have to be the case of my time. emergencies. The provision in the Wil- where a Forest supervisor has to go get Mr. GOODLATTE. Mr. Speaker, I derness Act dealing with health and attorneys and call the lawyers to say, yield the balance of my time to the safety issues is in parentheses and does In this case, here’s the situation: Is a gentleman from Alaska (Mr. YOUNG). not clearly define what types of motor- boat okay or do we have to use horse- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. ized vehicles may be allowed for emer- back or can we go on foot? It’s just DOYLE). The gentleman has 30 seconds. gencies. simply not clear enough. Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. I thank the The fact is that health, safety, and Mr. RAHALL. Reclaiming my time, gentleman for yielding. fire concerns merit more than a single Mr. Speaker, I would respond to the And I do thank both the gentlemen phrase in parentheses, as is the case in gentleman that if such were necessary, from Virginia. This is a good amend- the Wilderness Act of 1964. There are I would think that the Forest Service ment. I urge the passage of this amend- 3,600 words in the Wilderness Act. A would come to us making these rec- ment. It does help the bill somewhat, mere 15 words are devoted to health ommendations. But we have not re- and I think my colleagues would be and safety. ceived such recommendations from the wise to vote for it. The bill we are considering, H.R. 1011, Forest Service, and, therefore, the lan- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- designates 15,000 more wilderness acres guage is not necessary. ant to House Resolution 763, the pre- than what the Forest Service rec- Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance vious question is ordered on the bill, as ommended in the Jefferson National of my time. amended, and on the further amend- Forest. This is far more than what For- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without ment by the gentleman from Virginia est Service professionals think is war- objection, the previous question is or- (Mr. GOODLATTE). ranted. So the bigger the area, the big- dered on the motion to recommit. The question is on the amendment ger the potential fire, the harder it is There was no objection. offered by the gentleman from Virginia to find a missing child, for instance, The SPEAKER pro tempore. The (Mr. GOODLATTE). when an Amber Alert is issued. question is on the motion to recommit. The amendment was agreed to. We cannot stand by and risk even a The SPEAKER pro tempore. The The question was taken; and the single human life, which is why we Speaker pro tempore announced that question is on the engrossment and must begin to update the law to state third reading of the bill. the noes appeared to have it. clearly that a wilderness designation Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, on that The bill was ordered to be engrossed does not stop motorized access from and read a third time, and was read the I demand the yeas and nays. being used for emergencies. The cur- The yeas and nays were ordered. third time. rent ambiguity in the language, which The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- MOTION TO RECOMMIT OFFERED BY MR. this motion to recommit fixes, is just ant to clause 9 of rule XX, the Chair LAMBORN simply unacceptable, Mr. Speaker. will reduce to 5 minutes the minimum Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, I offer This amendment does not threaten time for any electronic vote on the a motion to recommit. the wilderness designation. It just puts question of passage. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is the our priorities in the proper order. The vote was taken by electronic de- gentleman opposed to the bill? Human life must always be first. vice, and there were—yeas 236, nays Mr. LAMBORN. Yes, in its current Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance 178, not voting 18, as follows: form. of my time. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I rise in [Roll No. 994] Clerk will report the motion to recom- opposition to the motion to recommit. YEAS—236 mit. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Aderholt Crenshaw Heller The Clerk read as follows: tleman from West Virginia is recog- Akin Cuellar Hensarling Mr. Lamborn moves to recommit the bill Alexander Culberson Herger nized for 5 minutes. Altmire Davis (KY) Herseth Sandlin H.R. 1011 to the Committee on Natural Re- Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, the gen- sources with instructions to report the same Bachmann Davis, David Hill tleman from Colorado’s amendment Baker Deal (GA) Hobson back to the House forthwith with the fol- would appear to be a restatement of Barrett (SC) Dent Hodes lowing amendment: Barrow Diaz-Balart, L. Hoekstra At the end of section 2, add the following what current law already is. And read- Bartlett (MD) Diaz-Balart, M. Hulshof new subsection: ing from that current law, it says, ‘‘Ex- Barton (TX) Dicks Inglis (SC) (e) MOTORIZED ACCESS IN EMERGENCIES.— cept as specifically provided for in this Biggert Donnelly Jefferson The designation of lands as wilderness or a act, and subject to existing private Bilirakis Doolittle Johnson (IL) wilderness study area by an amendment Bishop (GA) Drake Johnson, Sam rights, there shall be no commercial Blackburn Dreier Jones (NC) made by this section does not prohibit the enterprise and no permanent road Blunt Duncan Jordan use of motor vehicles, motorized equipment, within any wilderness area designated Boehner Edwards Kagen or motorboats or the landing of aircraft or Bonner Ehlers Kaptur other forms of mechanical transport, on the by this act and, except as necessary to Bono Ellsworth Keller designated lands when required in connec- meet minimum requirements for the Boozman Emerson King (IA) tion with an emergency involving the health administration of the area for the pur- Boren English (PA) King (NY) and safety of persons, including search and pose of this act (including measures re- Boustany Eshoo Kingston Boyda (KS) Everett Kirk rescue efforts or the response to an Amber quired in emergencies involving the Brady (TX) Fallin Klein (FL) Alert. health and safety of persons within the Brown (SC) Ferguson Kline (MN) The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- area), there shall be no temporary Brown-Waite, Flake Knollenberg Ginny Forbes Kuhl (NY) ant to the rule, the gentleman from road, no use of motor vehicles, motor- Buchanan Fortenberry LaHood Colorado is recognized for 5 minutes in ized equipment,’’ et cetera, et cetera. Burgess Fossella Lamborn support of his motion. So there are exceptions in current Burton (IN) Foxx Lampson Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, the law for health and safety of persons. So Buyer Franks (AZ) Latham Calvert Frelinghuysen LaTourette Wilderness Act is currently unclear as I would say to the gentleman that the Camp (MI) Gallegly Lewis (CA) to when motorized access may be used gentleman’s recommittal motion is re- Campbell (CA) Garrett (NJ) Lewis (KY) for health and safety reasons in a wil- dundant with current law. Cannon Gerlach Linder derness area or in a wilderness study Cantor Giffords LoBiondo Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, will the Capito Gilchrest Lucas area. gentleman yield? Cardoza Gillibrand Lungren, Daniel This motion to recommit removes Mr. RAHALL. I yield to the gen- Carney Gingrey E. any ambiguity regarding the legality tleman from Colorado. Carter Gohmert Mack Castle Goode Mahoney (FL) of responding to health and safety Mr. LAMBORN. Mr. Speaker, I thank Chabot Goodlatte Manzullo emergencies within the wilderness area the gentleman for yielding. Chandler Granger Marchant designated by this bill. Just briefly in response, I would like Coble Graves Marshall Current law does not specifically au- to say that the parenthetical phrase Cole (OK) Hall (TX) Matheson Conaway Hastert McCarthy (CA) thorize the use of motorized or me- ‘‘including measures required in emer- Costa Hastings (WA) McCaul (TX) chanical equipment within wilderness gencies’’ is, I believe, unacceptably Cramer Hayes McCotter

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Members are advised 2 min- At the end of section 2, add the following Miller (MI) Rogers (MI) Thompson (CA) utes remain in this vote. new subsection: Miller, Gary Rohrabacher Thornberry (e) MOTORIZED ACCESS IN EMERGENCIES.— Mitchell Ros-Lehtinen Tiahrt b 1807 The designation of lands as wilderness or a Moore (KS) Roskam Tiberi wilderness study area by an amendment Moran (KS) Ross Turner Messrs. JACKSON of Illinois, COHEN, HARE, ELLISON, SIRES, made by this section does not prohibit the Murphy (CT) Royce Upton use of motor vehicles, motorized equipment, Murphy, Tim Ryan (OH) Walberg STUPAK, WU, HOYER, GORDON of or motorboats or the landing of aircraft or Musgrave Ryan (WI) Walden (OR) Tennessee, COURTNEY, VAN other forms of mechanical transport, on the Myrick Salazar Walsh (NY) HOLLEN, LINCOLN DAVIS of Ten- Neugebauer Sali Wamp designated lands when required in connec- Nunes Saxton Welch (VT) nessee, RUSH, HALL of New York, tion with an emergency involving the health Pastor Schmidt Weldon (FL) OLVER, PASCRELL, LEVIN, CON- and safety of persons, including search and Pearce Sensenbrenner Weller YERS, CARNAHAN, RANGEL, MIL- rescue efforts or the response to an Amber Pence Sessions Westmoreland LER of North Carolina, and FARR, Alert. Perlmutter Sestak Whitfield The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Peterson (PA) Shadegg Wicker Mrs. MALONEY of New York, Ms. Petri Shays Wilson (NM) BERKLEY, Ms. CLARKE and Ms. CAS- question is on the amendment. Pickering Shea-Porter Wilson (SC) TOR changed their vote from ‘‘yea’’ to The amendment was agreed to. Pitts Shimkus Wolf ‘‘nay.’’ The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Platts Shuler Young (AK) Messrs. BROWN of South Carolina, question is on the engrossment and Poe Shuster Young (FL) Porter Simpson KAGEN, CHANDLER, PETERSON of third reading of the bill. Pennsylvania, BOREN, KING of Iowa, The bill was ordered to be engrossed NAYS—178 KLEIN of Florida, EDWARDS, and read a third time, was read the Abercrombie Hall (NY) Ortiz THOMPSON of California, LAMPSON, third time, and passed, and a motion to Ackerman Hare Pallone MURPHY of Connecticut, DICKS, reconsider was laid on the table. Allen Harman Pascrell RYAN of Ohio, SALAZAR, ROSS, Andrews Hastings (FL) Payne WELCH of Vermont, CRAMER, f Arcuri Higgins Peterson (MN) BISHOP of Georgia, and Ms. ESHOO Baca Hinchey Pomeroy HONORING NORTHWEST GEORGIA changed their vote from ‘‘nay’’ to Baird Hinojosa Price (NC) YWCA Baldwin Hirono Rahall ‘‘yea.’’ Bean Holden Rangel So the motion to recommit was (Mr. GINGREY asked and was given Becerra Holt Reichert agreed to. permission to address the House for 1 Berkley Honda Richardson The result of the vote was announced minute and to revise and extend his re- Berman Hooley Rodriguez Berry Hoyer Rothman as above recorded. marks.) Blumenauer Inslee Roybal-Allard PERSONAL EXPLANATION Mr. GINGREY. Mr. Speaker, I rise Boswell Israel Ruppersberger Mr. HALL of New York. Mr. Speaker, to- today to honor the Young Women’s Boucher Jackson (IL) Rush Christian Association, or YWCA of Boyd (FL) Jackson-Lee Sa´ nchez, Linda night, as part of consideration of the Virginia Brady (PA) (TX) T. Ridge and Valley Act of 2007, the minority of- Northwest Georgia for their efforts to Braley (IA) Johnson (GA) Sanchez, Loretta fered a motion to recommit forthwith with the eliminate the epidemic of domestic vio- Brown, Corrine Jones (OH) Sarbanes proclaimed intent of clarifying the cir- lence that transcends all ethnic, racial, Butterfield Kanjorski Schakowsky age, gender and socioeconomic bound- Capps Kennedy cumstances under which motorized vehicles Schiff aries. Capuano Kildee Schwartz can enter wilderness areas. However, I am Carnahan Kilpatrick Scott (GA) concerned that the language of the motion The YWCA of Northwest Georgia, Castor Kind Scott (VA) may actually work at cross purposes with that under the leadership of Executive Di- Clarke Kucinich Serrano rector Holly Comer, has made it their Clay Langevin goal. Sherman The MTR stated that: ‘‘The designation of mission to bring the issue of domestic Cleaver Lantos Sires Larsen (WA) violence to the forefront and to edu- Clyburn Slaughter lands as wilderness or a wilderness study Larson (CT) Cohen Smith (WA) area by an amendment made by this section cate Georgians on ways to prevent Conyers Lee Snyder does not prohibit the use of motor vehicles, abuse and violence within the home. Costello Levin Solis Courtney Lewis (GA) motorized equipment, or motorboats or the Mr. Speaker, the YWCA of Northwest Space Crowley Lipinski landing of aircraft or other forms of mechanical Georgia is not only the sole domestic Spratt Cummings Loebsack Stark transport, on the designated lands when re- violence shelter located in the heart of Davis (AL) Lofgren, Zoe Stupak quired in connection with an emergency in- my 11th District in Cobb County, but Davis (CA) Lowey Sutton has also taken a leadership role in Davis (IL) Lynch volving the health and safety of persons, in- Tauscher Davis, Lincoln Maloney (NY) cluding search and rescue efforts or the re- combating domestic violence through- Thompson (MS) Davis, Tom Markey out the State of Georgia. Tierney sponse to an Amber Alert.’’ DeFazio Matsui Towns I don’t know anyone who believes that we It was, in fact, the YWCA of North- DeGette McCarthy (NY) Tsongas shouldn’t be able to use motorized equipment west Georgia that open the very first Delahunt McCollum (MN) DeLauro McDermott Udall (CO) in a wilderness to react to an emergency. It’s shelter for victims of domestic violence Dingell McGovern Udall (NM) common sense, and that’s why it’s already in- in the State of Georgia. Through the Doggett McNulty Van Hollen ministry of Cobb Shelter, the YWCA Vela´ zquez cluded in the underlying statute. In fact, the Doyle Meek (FL) underlying law makes the allowance for motor- has worked together with victims, fam- Ellison Meeks (NY) Visclosky Emanuel Michaud Walz (MN) ized equipment in a health or safety emer- ilies, social service providers, and Engel Miller (NC) Wasserman gency without enumerating specific types of criminal justice officials to stop the Etheridge Miller, George Schultz equipment or circumstances, giving the widest spread of domestic violence Waters Farr Mollohan possible scope of interpretation. I am con- Mr. Speaker, I ask that my col- Fattah Moore (WI) Watson Filner Moran (VA) Watt cerned that by listing specific pieces of equip- leagues join me in recognizing YWCA Frank (MA) Murphy, Patrick Waxman ment and circumstances, the motion offered of Northwest Georgia and similar Gonzalez Murtha Weiner tonight could have caused more confusion and groups throughout the country for Gordon Nadler Wexler possibly limited the ability to respond to emer- their contributions toward making our Green, Al Napolitano Wu Green, Gene Neal (MA) Wynn gencies, despite any good intentions. For this Nation’s homes safer places for our Grijalva Oberstar Yarmuth reason, I voted against it. children and families. Gutierrez Olver

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It is because of that poral Jeremy Burris, 22, was buried Jim Bates’s two decades of service trust that when I was chosen to be the last week in Liberty, Texas, after being represents the longest tenure of any Budget Committee’s ranking Repub- killed in Iraq. This young marine was Budget Committee staffer. He served in lican last December, my first and easi- honored at a funeral by the entire town various capacities during this time, in- est decision was keeping Jim as the for his heroism. cluding those of minority counsel, chief of staff. He was and still is simply But a few days after his funeral, out- chief majority counsel and deputy irreplaceable. laws desecrated Jeremy’s grave site. chief of staff before rising to the top Mr. Speaker, let me close simply by Some reports indicate the suspected slot in late 2004. In each of those roles saying that there aren’t a lot of people criminals may have been antiwar he demonstrated a singular dedication. in this town who really understand how He came to be known as a true be- peaceniks that commit violence in the the Budget Committee works, how this liever in the value of congressional name of peace. They disrespect and dis- budget process works, let alone people budgeting; a stickler for adhering to honor the dead by their vandalism. who really know the best ideas and the budget disciplines written in law But whoever committed such das- ways of making it work better. Jim and in convention; and a thoroughly tardly deeds should be quickly cap- Bates is one of the handful of people in convinced proponent of the institution tured by the local sheriff. After these this town who knows this. You can of the Budget Committee. He is as grave-desecrating criminals are con- count the people on one hand who real- closely identified with the committee victed, they should be sentenced to ly know the Budget Act, know how to as is the Congressional Budget Act serve time at Gitmo prison in Guanta- make it work and know how to make it itself. It is nearly impossible to think namo Bay. After all, that is where work better. Jim Bates is one of those. of one without the other. This institution, this Congress, both America houses other war criminals. Mr. Speaker, you can’t go back over from the Democrat side and the Repub- So, Mr. Speaker, those that commit the last 20 years and look at the en- lican side, owe a large debt of gratitude crimes against the graves of our fallen forcement of the Budget Committee, for the service of this fine servant, Jim war dead are nothing more than war the preservation of the Budget Act, Bates. criminals and should be treated as without thinking of Jim Bates. such, because justice is the one thing f Jim started with the committee in The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a we should always find. January of 1988, a time when the Re- And that’s just the way it is. previous order of the House, the gentle- publican minority offices were across woman from Michigan (Ms. KIL- f Highway 395, on the second floor of the PATRICK) is recognized for 5 minutes. b 1815 Ford Office Building, then simply (Ms. KILPATRICK addressed the called Annex Two. He worked initially House. Her remarks will appear here- SPECIAL ORDERS as a budget analyst, covering Income after in the Extensions of Remarks.) and Social Security, but before long he The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under f the Speaker’s announced policy of Jan- found his real niche as committee uary 18, 2007, and under a previous counsel. Here, he mastered the intri- STATEMENT ON JULY 8 order of the House, the following Mem- cate details and subtleties of the Budg- AGREEMENT bers will be recognized for 5 minutes et Act; he vigorously protected the The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a each. committee’s jurisdiction, and, when previous order of the House, the gen- f possible, expanded it. He also developed tleman from Maryland (Mr. SARBANES) The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a a unique understanding of budget is recognized for 5 minutes. previous order of the House, the gen- arcana, something I can clearly testify Mr. SARBANES. Mr. Speaker, I rise to, such as the Gramm-Rudman base- today to commend my colleagues for tleman from Texas (Mr. POE) is recog- nized for 5 minutes. line or the pay-as-you-go rule. passing H. Con. Res. 405, which pro- Here are some highlights of his con- (Mr. POE addressed the House. His motes the United Nations’ sponsored gressional career: he participated in remarks will appear hereafter in the efforts to bring about a negotiated re- the famous Andrews Air Force Base ne- Extensions of Remarks.) unification of Cyprus. The division of gotiations that produced the budget Cyprus has endured for 33 years, far too f agreement of 1990. In 1993, he coordi- long by any measure. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a nated drafting the narrowly defeated Today, I met with Alexis Galanos, previous order of the House, the gen- Penny-Kasich amendment. In 1997, he the distinguished mayor of Famagusta, tleman from North Carolina (Mr. anchored the legislative language for Cyprus, which prior to the Turkish in- JONES) is recognized for 5 minutes. the Balanced Budget Act, which a year vasion was the main town of the second (Mr. JONES of North Carolina ad- later produced the first budget surplus largest district of Cyprus, both in dressed the House. His remarks will ap- in nearly four decades. Shortly there- terms of its population and surface pear hereafter in the Extensions of Re- after, he developed a bipartisan plan area. marks.) for the first comprehensive budget A few weeks after the initial invasion f process reform since the Budget Act on August 14, 1974, Turkish military was created in 1974. forces bombarded Famagusta relent- IN RECOGNITION OF JAMES T. In 2005, he oversaw the staff work lessly. Greek Cypriots were forced to BATES that led to that year’s Deficit Reduc- flee their homes in fear and terror, ren- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a tion Act, the first in a long time. In dering Famagusta a ghost city. Turk- previous order of the House, the gen- 2006, he was immensely helpful to me ish forces then sealed off the area with tleman from Wisconsin (Mr. RYAN) is in writing the Legislative Line Item barbed wire fences; 45,000 inhabitants recognized for 5 minutes. Veto Act, designed to allow the Presi- of Famagusta became refugees in their Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. Mr. Speaker, dent to strike individual spending own country. They lost their land, I rise to acknowledge an extraordinary items without violating Congress’s their properties, their homes and busi- staff member who has moved on after constitutional prerogatives. nesses and many of their own people. 20 years with the House Budget Com- Jim is an avid fisherman, which The city and the mayor elected by its mittee, Jim Bates. shows a greatness of soul. He is a fan of displaced residents who can’t go home James T. Bates, the Committee’s Re- the renowned author Ray Bradbury, have now become a symbol of the injus- publican chief of staff, recently accept- which reflects a creative mind. He tice that persists in the occupied re- ed a position as associate program di- might misplace his car keys or his gion. The two waves of the invasion by

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00061 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.134 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11910 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 the Turkish troops forced nearly 200,000 (Mr. BURTON of Indiana addressed mentioned, when these bills come to Greek Cypriots, over one-quarter of the the House. His remarks will appear the floor, the committee report will ac- Cypriot population at the time, from hereafter in the Extensions of Re- company the bill. It will only come a their homes, making them refugees in marks.) few days before the bill passes, and we their own country. The equivalent in f aren’t given a real opportunity to vet the U.S. would be around 80 million these earmarks and look at them. people. For the last 33 years, 36.2 per- LIMITING EARMARKS ON APPROPRIATIONS BILLS Let me read a few of them. For exam- cent of the island continues to be under ple, $300,000 goes to the American Air occupation by 43,000 Turkish forces. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Power Museum in Farmingdale, New The July 8, 2006, agreements reached previous order of the House, the gen- York, for exhibits and educational pro- under the auspices of the United Na- tleman from Arizona (Mr. FLAKE) is grams. This may be a great museum, tions Under Secretary General Ibrahim recognized for 5 minutes. but why the Federal taxpayer should Mr. FLAKE. Mr. Speaker, in a couple Gambari, by President Tassos be on the hook to fund it, I don’t know. of weeks, it is likely that we will be ad- Papadopoulos and Turkish-Cypriot And $200,000 in this bill goes to the dressing the Labor-HHS bill. We have leader Mehmet Ali Talat establishes a American Jazz Museum in Kansas City, set of negotiating principles that will passed the bill in the House. I believe they have passed the bill in the Senate, Missouri, for exhibits and education lead to a unified Cyprus. programs. It may be a great museum, The July 8 agreement supports the but conferees have not been named. We will be asked to approve a large bill but why is the Federal taxpayer paying Greek and Turkish-Cypriot efforts to for? find common ground for the peaceful that I believe is over the President’s $200,000 for the American West Herit- reunification of their country within budget. But, more significantly, this is age Center in Wellsville, Utah, for a the framework of a federal bi-zonal and the first test of actually doing a con- lifelong learning initiative. bi-communal nation state. These ference under the new earmark rules. $125,000 for the Children’s Museum in agreements call for the implementa- We had new earmark rules passed at Indianapolis, Indiana, for exhibits and tion of specific confidence-building the beginning of the year that provide equipment. measures, starting with the practical a little more transparency than we steps of establishing bi-communal have had before, and that is a good $200,000 for a Children’s Museum in working groups and technical commu- thing; but it hasn’t done much to cut Los Angeles for exhibits and edu- nities to examine and discuss issues af- down the number or dollar value of ear- cational programs. fecting the day-to-day lives of the peo- marks, because we haven’t gotten $150,000, College Park Aviation Mu- ple of Cyprus. through the process now. seum in College Park, Maryland. Mr. Speaker, there is no viable jus- Some people have said in the House If you are recognizing a theme here, tification for the continued division of we have fewer earmarks, the dollar the Federal Government is funding a Cyprus. The people of Cyprus have value is down, and that is a good thing. lot of museums. Why is this the case? every reason to seek out reconcili- Certainly it is a good thing. But we are Why, when we are running massive ation. They aspire to a reunified home- only halfway through the process. deficits, when we have a big debt and Typically, when you get to the con- land. In the last 4 years, there have other obligations that are crying out ference process, that is where a lot of been more than 13 million peaceful to pay down the debt, to lower the def- the mischief happens, where earmarks crossings across the Green Line by icit, why are we funding programs like are added in the middle of the night Greek and Turkish-Cypriots, a remark- this? Why are we on the hook for these and you aren’t given a chance to vote able achievement for an island whose programs yet again? You have to re- on them. You simply vote on the bill, total population is less than 800,000 member, whenever you are funding a either up or down. museum, because we have a deficit, we people. Turkish-Cypriots cross into the Just to give you a flavor of what is in Republic of Cyprus to go to work every are borrowing money to do that. this Labor-HHS bill, the House bill in- $250,000 for the Discovery Center in day. Approximately 35,000 Turkish- cluded about 1,342 earmarks. These ear- Idaho. This is in Boise, for a science Cypriots have applied for and received marks were added in the conference re- center. passports from the Republic of Cyprus. port of the bill that came to the House. $350,000 for an aerospace museum in On the ground, there is clear momen- They were added just days before the McClellan, California, for exhibits. tum for peace and a desire on both bill came to the house. We had very lit- sides to work together. tle opportunity to actually look at the $350,000 for the George and Eleanor Today, Cyprus has evolved into a dy- earmarks to find out which Member McGovern Library in Dakota Wesleyan namic country, endowed with a robust had offered them and to offer amend- University in Mitchell, South Dakota. economy and incredible democratic in- ments to strike those earmarks. A few $75,000, Monterey Bay Aquarium in stitutions. Its qualitative capacities amendments were offered here on the Monterey, California. are showcased by its recent entry to floor, but that is hardly a process that Here is another theme. We fund a lot the European Union and its imminent can pass for due diligence to actually of aquariums. There are great aquar- membership in the Eurozone. Located see what is in these earmarks. iums that educate a lot of people, but off the western shores of the Middle Now, I hasten to add that this is not why we are doing it at the Federal East, Cyprus has the capacity to be a a partisan issue. There are both Repub- level, I don’t know. vigorous participant in the wider lican and Democrat earmarks in this $350,000 for the Museum of Aviation NATO security architecture. bill. When Republicans were in charge Foundation in Warner Robins, Georgia, For us in the United States, there- of this body, typically Republicans got for educational programs. fore, there is great purpose in facili- about 60 percent of the earmarks, the Let’s pay attention to the Labor- tating peace and unification beyond Democrats got about 40 percent. Now HHS bill as it comes along. any moral and altruistic imperatives. that has switched. As expressed by the House last week, But, really, I wish it were a partisan f the July 8 agreement lays the ground- issue. I wish, as one of my side of the work for accomplishing this goal. aisle, that Republicans were right on b 1830 I commend the House for its passage and Democrats were wrong on. But we of H. Con. Res. 405 and implore our gov- haven’t seen that. We have seen both The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. ernment to continue its support for the parties continue to earmark in this MITCHELL). Under a previous order of full and immediate implementation of fashion. the House, the gentlewoman from the July 8, 2006, agreements. There are 1,342 earmarks in the Texas (Ms. JACKSON-LEE) is recognized f House bill. Let me just read through a for 5 minutes. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a few to give people a flavor of what is (Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas ad- previous order of the House, the gen- there. dressed the House. Her remarks will tleman from Indiana (Mr. BURTON) is I wish we didn’t have to do this. I appear hereafter in the Extensions of recognized for 5 minutes. wish there was another way. But as I Remarks.)

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They came home last week colleagues, later on this week or per- day experience discrimination because to find their home smoldering and torn haps early next week, this House will of their gender identity. apart. The phrase ‘‘rats must be embark on the latest chapter in our Susan Stanton spent 14 years as the killed’’ and the word ‘‘snitch’’ crossed Nation’s history of extending the civil Largo, Florida city manager; 14 years, out with Xs spray painted on their rights that all Americans should be en- obviously doing a good job, rehired, re- walls. titled to to one other group. We will be appointed. Susan was once Steve Stan- The couple’s oldest daughter has considering the Employment Non- ton. When he started hormone therapy been in custody since July for her role discrimination Act. It is an effort to and planned to become a woman, was in a robbery of a taxicab driver earlier make sure that people are not discrimi- fired. this year. Apparently, her co-conspira- nated against in their workplace be- Diane Schroer, 25 years of distin- tors believe she is cooperating with law cause of their sexual orientation, be- guished service in the Army as David. enforcement on some level. Gang activ- cause of their gender identity. It is Recorded 450 parachute jumps, received ity also appears to be involved. The something that is intuitive to so many the Defense Superior Service Medal, word ‘‘blood’’ appeared on various Americans, and, frankly, the over- hand picked to lead a classified na- parts of the house. whelming number of Americans. And it tional security operation. Retired and Needless to say, the family will not is an example of how sometimes we in was offered a job with a private home- be returning to their home. This is an this House lead on civil rights issues land security consulting firm. The offer innocent, hardworking family trying and sometimes we follow. was rescinded when Schroer explained simply to live in peace. They deserve so In this case, it is a little bit of each. he was transgender and wanted to much better. Under ENDA, we will be following to a begin the job as a woman. Unfortunately, when people are will- large degree. Hundreds of companies, But the question has come up: If we ing to cooperate with the police in Bal- including virtually all of the Fortune can’t include gender identity in this timore City and other jurisdictions 50 and Fortune 500 companies, already bill, should we do anything at all? throughout our country, sadly, it has recognized fundamentally that it is Should we take half a loaf. become customary for their homes to good business to judge people by the My colleagues, I think the answer is be firebombed or for them to be threat- quality of their work, their intellect, no. I think we cannot toss this element ened, attacked or even killed. their drive, by what they bring to the of an important civil rights coalition No one can forget the tragedy sur- business, not what their sexual ori- to the side. We have to make sure, par- rounding the death of Angela and entation or gender identity is. ticularly in the context of us doing Carnell Dawson and their five children. Overwhelming numbers of companies, what is largely symbolic, there is no The entire family was incinerated in and not just companies that you would sense that the Senate is going to act on October 2002 in the middle of the night describe as being progressive, but com- this, and certainly no sense that the when their home was firebombed in re- panies from all across the political President of the United States and this taliation for Ms. Dawson’s repeated spectrum, financial services groups administration is going to. Maybe what complaints to police about recurring like American Express and J.P. Morgan we should say is we are in this to- drug trafficking in her east Baltimore and Lehman. You have companies like gether. neighborhood. Clear Channel Communication, Coca- If we are going to make a symbolic Just 2 years ago, the home of com- Cola, Nationwide Insurance, Nike, stand, the symbolic stand should be munity activist Edna Abier survived a Microsoft. These are all companies let’s pass a one House bill with only firebomb attack that was launched just that, when they write the contracts for part of the protections. Let’s let the because of her attempts to rid her their other workers, it is fundamental symbolic message be that we are stick- neighborhood of drug dealers. Just a to them that there will be no discrimi- ing together, that when we say few weeks ago, I had an opportunity to nation based on someone’s sexual ori- ‘‘GLBT,’’ we mean it. And we should do meet with another couple whose home entation or gender identity. something else. We should also make it had been firebombed because they were For these companies and for the 90 very clear to those watching this dis- simply trying to cooperate with police. percent or so of American people that cussion that we are not going to nego- Finally, Carl Lackl was murdered responded to a Gallup poll in 2007, em- tiate against ourselves. We are not outside of his home with chilling cal- ployment nondiscrimination based on going to say if we toss this element or culation just days before he was sched- gender identity and based on sexual that element off to the side, maybe we uled to testify as a witness in a murder orientation is obvious; it is not even an will be able to get what we need. There case. His murderers lured him out of innovation. are some things that are immutable, his home under the premise of looking But we are going to be leading in some civil rights that are immutable. at his used car that he was trying to some important ways. There are still This is one of them. sell. about 30 percent of people who respond We are going to stick together and Violent crime in the United States is to polls who are members of the les- pass an inclusive ENDA, or we are on the rise nationwide, as is drug-re- bian, bisexual and transgender commu- going to come back again and do it lated gang activity. However, if wit- nity who say that they experience dis- right. nesses are too afraid to come forward, crimination at the workplace regu- f criminals cannot be prosecuted and our larly. Some of them, 25 percent, say justice system has no credibility and they experience it on a regular basis. WITNESS SECURITY AND cannot stand. Why should that be? Is that an Amer- PROTECTION ACT OF 2007 This is why I introduced H.R. 933, the ican value? Is it an American value to The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Witness Security and Protection Act of say we should discriminate on someone previous order of the House, the gen- 2007, which authorizes $270 million over based on the sense of who they love or tleman from Maryland (Mr. CUMMINGS) the next 3 years to enable State and how they express it? Of course not. is recognized for 5 minutes. local prosecutors who demonstrate a So, for those men and women Mr. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, I have need for the funds to protect witnesses throughout all 50 States, we will be stood before the House many evenings in cases involving gangs or other vio- leading later on this week when we to discuss the problems associated with lence to establish short-term witness pass the Employment Nondiscrimina- witness intimidation and its detri- protection programs. tion Act. But it is very important that mental impact on our judicial system Improving protection for State and we also realize that we are leading on and our communities. local witnesses will move us one step

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The idea of having to construct a per- f f fect defense in and of itself is not con- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a ceivable. However, this is where the previous order of the House, the gentle- previous order of the House, the gentle- role of intelligence comes into primary woman from the District of Columbia woman from New York (Mrs. MALONEY) focus. Developing a homeland security (Ms. NORTON) is recognized for 5 min- is recognized for 5 minutes. strategy must not be considered in iso- utes. (Mrs. MALONEY of New York ad- lation. Intelligence collection overseas (Ms. NORTON addressed the House. dressed the House. Her remarks will is the crucial element in any strategy Her remarks will appear hereafter in appear hereafter in the Extensions of to secure the homeland. Otherwise, we the Extensions of Remarks.) Remarks.) fall prey to what I refer to as the Magi- f f not syndrome. You remember the Ma- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a b 1845 ginot line. That is where the French previous order of the House, the gen- FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE learned a terrible lesson concerning the tleman from Mississippi (Mr. THOMP- SURVEILLANCE ACT folly of relying on the idea that they SON) is recognized for 5 minutes. could protect themselves with a focus (Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi ad- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under on massive defense perimeter. Much dressed the House. His remarks will ap- the Speaker’s announced policy of Jan- more is required and, again, intel- pear hereafter in the Extensions of Re- uary 18, 2007, the gentleman from Cali- ligence collection targeting non-U.S. marks.) fornia (Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN) is rec- persons can extend our homeland de- f ognized for 60 minutes as the designee fense perimeter overseas. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a of the minority leader. Brian Jenkins of the RAND Corpora- previous order of the House, the gen- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- tion, a noted expert on terrorism, has fornia. Mr. Speaker, there is no other tleman from Texas (Mr. AL GREEN) is stressed that our intelligence capa- recognized for 5 minutes. issue more central to the core responsi- bility is a key element in our effort to (Mr. AL GREEN of Texas addressed bility of government than the duty to protect our homeland. As he says, in the House. His remarks will appear protect the safety and security of the the terror attacks since 9/11 we’ve seen hereafter in the Extensions of Re- American people. The right not to be combinations of local conspiracies in- marks.) killed is foundational to all other spired by, assisted by, and guided by al rights. The actions we take with re- f Qaeda’s central leadership. It is essen- spect to the Foreign Intelligence Sur- tial that while protecting the basic The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a veillance Act, better known as FISA, rights of American citizens we find previous order of the House, the gentle- will reflect the level of seriousness ways to facilitate the collection and woman from California (Ms. WATERS) is with which we have assumed this fun- exchange of intelligence across na- recognized for 5 minutes. damental obligation. tional and bureaucratic borders. (Ms. WATERS addressed the House. While I take a backseat to no one So how do we make sense out of what Her remarks will appear hereafter in when it comes to the protection of civil is taking place in this House with re- the Extensions of Remarks.) liberties, it is essential to understand spect to our consideration of FISA, the f the proper context of the issue by us. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act? The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Mr. Speaker, the focus of the debate Foreign intelligence surveillance, I’d previous order of the House, the gentle- here relates to overseas intelligence, like to underscore. woman from California (Ms. WOOLSEY) the implications for the privacy rights The manner in which we address this is recognized for 5 minutes. of Americans, talked about so loudly crucial national security question is a (Ms. WOOLSEY addressed the House. on the floor last week by our col- clear measure of our level of serious- Her remarks will appear hereafter in leagues on the other side of the aisle, ness about the threat posed to our Na- the Extensions of Remarks.) the implications for privacy rights of tion from another terrorist attack. The f Americans where surveillance targets bottom line question to be asked is The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a of non-U.S. persons overseas is mini- whether or not we are safer as a result previous order of the House, the gen- mal to nonexistent. of the action taken by this House con- tleman from New York (Mr. HINCHEY) This debate over FISA must not be cerning the collection of overseas in- is recognized for 5 minutes. morphed into an ideological crusade by telligence. (Mr. HINCHEY addressed the House. those who have such a visceral dislike As in the game of football, you’re ei- His remarks will appear hereafter in for President Bush that any perceived ther advancing the ball or you are los- the Extensions of Remarks.) defeat for this administration is in ing yardage. Does our action make some perverse way chalked up as a vic- America safer or does it impose obsta- f tory. The debate is not about President cles in the path of the intelligence The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a Bush; it is about protecting the lives of community which make their job more previous order of the House, the gen- those who have sent us here to rep- difficult? In making this determina- tleman from Oregon (Mr. BLUMENAUER) resent them. tion, I would suggest that the line of is recognized for 5 minutes. And it is serious business. In my esti- scrimmage should be drawn with the (Mr. BLUMENAUER addressed the mation, this is perhaps the most im- Protect America Act. That is the act House. His remarks will appear here- portant issue that we will face here in we passed in early August, on a bipar- after in the Extensions of Remarks.) the 110th Congress. tisan basis, responding to the request f It has been my privilege to serve on of Admiral McConnell, the Director of The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a both the Homeland Security and Judi- National Intelligence. previous order of the House, the gen- ciary Committees. It is my belief that We should understand that that act tleman from Oregon (Mr. DEFAZIO) is we have made progress in protecting represented a compromise reflecting recognized for 5 minutes. the homeland since 9/11. Under the what Admiral McConnell, the Director (Mr. DEFAZIO addressed the House. leadership of both parties on the Home- of National Intelligence, identified as His remarks will appear hereafter in land Security Committee, there have absolutely necessary, absolutely nec- the Extensions of Remarks.) been disagreements about the particu- essary to the task of protecting the

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It will be one thing were we con- is how best we can protect the Amer- ice to our Nation, I would suggest we sidering the other elements of a larger ican public from al Qaeda and others should take his considered opinion package which General Hayden and Ad- who seek to kill us. with the seriousness that it deserves. miral McConnell presented to us back Surveillance of foreign persons out- As a career naval officer, former head in April, but that’s not the case. side the United States is a central part of the National Security Agency under Rather, the leadership of this body is of that effort, and the bill they pre- President Clinton for 4 years, and the retreating from the provisions of the sented on the floor last week, the so- current Director of National Intel- Protect America Act, which Admiral called RESTORE Act, changed what we ligence, Admiral McConnell has had a McConnell told us he needs in order to had done in August to make it dif- distinguished career in his service to do his job. The so-called RESTORE Act ficult, in some cases impossible, to our Nation. undoes core provisions of this com- gain that information. Even if it is Admiral McConnell and General Hay- promise that we were told was nec- Osama bin Laden on the line calling den came to the Congress with a larger essary to close the gaps in our intel- into the United States, under the package of needed changes to the For- ligence. terms of the bill that was presented on eign Intelligence Surveillance Act last That’s why I call the RESTORE Act the floor, we couldn’t use information April. However, in order to close what the Repeal Effective Surveillance gathered from that conversation Admiral McConnell described as gaps Techniques Opposing Real Enemies against Osama bin Laden unless we in our intelligence, that is, an inability Act, because that’s what it does. It went to a court for a court order, un- for us to be able to actually find the takes away the techniques that we al- less the Attorney General could specifi- dots that were out there, we had to act lowed under the law that we passed cally show that information was lead- immediately. A compromise was, last August in response to requests ing to the death of a particular indi- therefore, reached by this body this from Admiral McConnell based on his vidual. past August. considered judgment that he was not Now, I’ve said this on the floor before He defined the concept of ‘‘gap’’ to able to do the job to protect the Amer- and I will say it again: that’s just plain mean this: foreign intelligence infor- ican people from the threat abroad. nuts. There’s no other way to explain mation that we should have been col- Admiral McConnell affirmed that it. There is absolutely no other way to lecting. In fact, Admiral McConnell in- prior to the Protect America Act the explain it; and perhaps with an ability dicated that prior to the enactment of intelligence community attempted to to explain this kind of thinking on the our Protect America Act in August, we work under the law as interpreted by floor, I would yield to the gentlelady were not collecting somewhere between the court. Unfortunately, he found that from Tennessee to enlighten us as to one-half and two-thirds of the foreign as a result of working under those re- her observations as to what is taking intelligence information which would strictions his agency was prohibited place on the floor on this important have been collected were it not for the from successfully targeting foreign issue. Mrs. BLACKBURN. Well, I thank the recent legal interpretations of FISA conversations, foreign conversations, gentleman for yielding and I thank him which required the government to ob- that otherwise would have been tar- for his leadership on the security issues tain prior FISA warrants for overseas geted for possible terrorist activity. Admiral McConnell has made it clear that affect our great Nation. surveillance. In many cases, we And, Mr. Speaker, as the gentleman that although there remains elements couldn’t obtain them. You have to have from California knows, national secu- of the larger package which would fur- evidence to reach a standard that, rity is one of the major issues that we ther enhance our ability to conduct frankly, at that stage you cannot hear about every single day. Our con- surveillance against al Qaeda and other reach. stituents want to be certain that Secondly, the volume of number of terrorist groups, the Protect America America, that our interests, that our Act, that act that we passed in August targets and the paperwork and, more communities are safe, and certainly, as which is now the law, has provided us than the paperwork, the intellectual we are looking at FISA, this is an issue with the tools, as he said, to close gaps work, the cost in time by taking ana- that is coming before us. lysts off the job of analyzing, to work- in our foreign intelligence collection. One of the things that we hear regu- ing up these requests for warrants, ba- Then why are we seeking to make larly from constituents is, what are sically made it impossible for us to be these critical changes in the Protect you doing about it? What are you doing able to go after these targets, which America Act before the ink is barely about tracking down these terrorists? we’d always been able to go after in the dry? Well, one thing is certain: the im- What are you doing about finding those context of FISA as it was passed in mediate reviews by the leftist that want to kill us? What are you 1978. blogosphere were hardly positive. Al- doing? What’s the problem? The problem is though Admiral McConnell has worked Well, we did some good things last that a definition of electronic surveil- for both President Clinton and for year. As the gentleman from California lance constructed almost 28 years ago President Bush, much of the criticism mentioned, the provisions that we certainly has not kept pace with of the act in the wake of its passage passed, Admiral McConnell’s rec- changes in technology. Ironically, seemed to stem from these objections, ommendations, the pathway forward when FISA was enacted, almost all now, listen to this, that the White for us, how we were to proceed to be international communications were House was trying to influence the out- certain that we could use the informa- wireless. Most local calls at that time come of the negotiations which took tion that we had. And now the RE- were on a wire and fell within the defi- place prior to its enactment. Imagine STORE Act, and I do like the acronym nition of electronic surveillance requir- that. that he is using, Repeal Effective Sur- ing a warrant. When Admiral McConnell appeared veillance Techniques Opposing Real Today, it’s just the reverse. Almost before our Judiciary Committee, he Enemies. That is an appropriate acro- all international communications are faced questions along the lines of what nym for the bill that they brought for- transmitted by wire. Thus, inter- did the White House know and when ward. national communications not intended did they know it. Now, think of this: And I think, Mr. Speaker, that our to be covered by the warrant require- the idea that the White House would colleagues across the aisle forget that ment in the 1978 act are now inadvert- seek to have input on issues relating to it is FISA. Maybe they think it is the ently covered because of the change in the national security of the United U.S. Intelligence Surveillance Act, or technology. This was never ever the in- States is about as startling as the dis- USISA. They forget that it is FISA, tention in Congress. covery that gambling, yes, gambling, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Again, the act we passed in August was taking place in Joe’s bar during We do seek to find those who would closed the resulting national security the movie ‘‘Casablanca.’’ seek to do us harm and end our way of gaps. However, less than 3 months This should not be the issue. Again, life. That is something we should be later, here we are in the House of Rep- it’s not about George Bush, whether about every single day. resentatives, the leadership of this you dislike him, love him or are indif- Now, we’ve heard from lots of people House is now trying to reinvent the ferent to him. The only valid question on the FISA issue, and the gentleman

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We are from the Republican Study Committee, the aisle’s response to this problem, going now through these fiber-optic ca- and they’re going to bring their exper- you see what they have done is they bles and through these tremendous tise to bear on this. have elevated the judiciary to the pri- switching networks; is that correct? I want to touch on one quick point. mary role in these decisions. That is, Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- The gentleman from California high- in my judgment, a complete misunder- fornia. Correct. lighted some of Admiral McConnell’s standing of the proper role of the Mr. AKIN. Now, does the current law recommendations and procedures that courts. allow us to do the same thing on those we took to be certain that we closed Look, since Marbury v. Madison, the as we do on a transmitted signal? the terrorist loophole. And the meas- eminent case basically saying that the Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- ure that the liberal leadership brought Supreme Court gets the last say on fornia. The law, prior to our change in forward, the RESTORE Act, would re- constitutional issues, there has been a August, did not permit us to, at least open the terrorist loophole. The Demo- misunderstanding by some that that as determined by the FISA Court last crat FISA bill creates a process by means that the Supreme Court, the ju- year. Mr. AKIN. Now we are getting to the which a court order is required for U.S. dicial branch, is somehow superior to problem. The problem is that the gov- persons who are outside the United the other two branches of government. ernment is getting in the way and the States. That is not the case in the area of Democrats are getting in the way of us As the gentleman from California war-making capacity or carrying out a collecting intelligence to protect our mentioned, if a foreign target oper- war. If you look at the Constitution, you will see very, very clearly that the constituents. ating overseas, such as Osama bin Now, the lady from Tennessee, you Constitution specifies specific powers Laden, has either had contact with a talked about some common sense, and in article I to Congress and in the exec- U.S. person or called a U.S. number, the common sense of the matter is utive branch in article II, and the our intelligence officials would be re- some of us remember September 11, United States Supreme Court has al- quired, if this bill passed, to obtain a and these people are not nice people; ready told us that there are some mat- FISA court order to listen to those right? communications. ters, believe it or not they have said, Mrs. BLACKBURN. The gentleman Well, in Tennessee, we would say better suited for disposition by the from Missouri is exactly right. that just doesn’t make good sense, and elected branches of government. These are people who do not seek to it doesn’t, Mr. Speaker; and it is fright- The War Powers Act, or, excuse me, do us well. They seek to do us harm. ening to think that there are those the war power, the right to declare That, we have to keep in mind. among us who may want to deal with war, given to the Congress; powers of As the gentleman from Missouri terrorists more delicately than they the purse, given to the Congress. The mentioned, we have had tremendous would handle the welfare and well- President possesses authority relating technological changes with how our being of our communities. to his constitutional status as Com- signals are transmitted when you are I would also highlight the New York mander-in-Chief as well as all execu- dealing with telephones, with cell Post and a comment that they had as tive authority. phones, with satellite phones, with we were working through the FISA So these are very, very distinct. voice, video and data, with those com- overhaul and looking at these situa- What we have seen on the other side of munications. tions dealing with these cumbersome the aisle is an elevation to the altar of Things have changed, and we are not legal requirements. The New York Post judicial determination in these cases. focused on the end use; we are more fo- quotes in an October 15, 2007, article: This is not just the only thing. The cused on the technology and the ‘‘A search to rescue the men was quick- leaders on the other side want to take changes that we sought in August ly launched. But it soon ground to a now and give habeas corpus rights to would allow, and that we gained in Au- halt as lawyers obeying U.S. strict those people we have at Guantanamo, gust allowed our intelligence commu- laws about surveillance cobbled to- those people we have taken off the bat- nity to be able to exercise a little bit gether the legal grounds for wire- tlefield. more leeway in obtaining these com- tapping the suspected kidnappers. For Mr. AKIN. One of the problems of munications from those who would an excruciating 9 hours and 38 minutes being as competent and technical as seek to do us harm. searchers in Iraq waited as U.S. law- you are is there are some of us, people Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- yers discussed legal issues and ham- like me from Missouri, as an engineer, fornia. If I could just respond to that, mered out the ‘probable cause’ nec- like to try to put things in plain simple let’s remember, we are not talking essary for the Attorney General to terms. about domestic terrorists. We are not grant such ‘emergency’ permission.’’ The first thing I would like to ask, talking about domestic criminals. We We know the emergency. We know because you are the expert, but I have are not talking about American citi- the probable cause. Men were under at- a little bit of a sense of what’s going on zens. We are talking about non-Ameri- tack and they needed to be found. We here, and first of all the problem is cans not in the United States. That’s are in a time of war. The terrorists are that we are trying to collect intel- what we are talking about, and the there to end our way of life. We have to ligence on terrorists that are trying to American people need to understand stay a couple of steps in front of them, kill our citizens. Is that what we are that. Mr. Speaker; and as the gentleman dealing with? Mrs. BLACKBURN. I want to bring from California has so eloquently said, Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- the attention back to the poster that is the way we do this is with a common- fornia. That’s a very basic thing we are on the floor there. Just as he would sense approach and very thoughtful ap- dealing with, foreign intelligence. say, this is the Foreign Intelligence proach to our intelligence surveillance Mr. AKIN. I want to keep it simple. Surveillance Act. that we have on our foreign enemies. So we are dealing with collecting intel- As I said earlier, it is not USISA. It ligence on these terrorists. is not the United States Intelligence b 1900 Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- Surveillance Act. This is the Foreign Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- fornia. Right. Intelligence Surveillance Act. fornia. I thank the gentlelady for her Mr. AKIN. We have a format that was That is so important that we keep comments. She mentioned a particular put into law years ago, as I understand this in mind. As the gentleman said, instance in which we brought lawyers it, that when a signal is transmitted these are people who are not U.S. citi- into a situation that if you looked at it into the air that we can tap into that zens who are seeking to do us harm. from the outside doesn’t make much and listen for terrorist talk; is that Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- sense; you stop battlefield operations correct? fornia. Let me also explain one bill. If

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00066 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.160 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11915 you look at the bill that the Demo- and according to Admiral McConnell, makes calls. We don’t know who he is cratic majority brought to the floor, we are now able to do those things. going to call. He calls his mother. He they say, we take care of this problem. We now have the agility to do those calls his barber. He calls the guy who They say, if it’s foreign to foreign, you things. If we were to adopt the bill that delivers pizza. don’t need a warrant. was on the floor last week, we couldn’t Because he talks to that other person Here is the problem that Admiral do it. The American people have to un- who was not the target, the legal tar- McConnell explained to us. When you derstand, no matter what they say get, doesn’t mean that we cannot use put a tap, or you somehow capture the about it, the expert on it tells it, we that information against the legal tar- communications, you only know the would not be able to do it. get. We can’t use it against that person front end of the communications; that Mr. AKIN. So my understanding, if that person is someone we then find is, Osama bin Laden is calling some- with the bottom line, with the bill that is a person of interest, and we would where and communicating in some has been proposed, we would lose about become a target. Then we have to go way. You don’t know where in the 60 percent or more of our intelligence get a warrant against that person. world he is going to end up on the leads that we are collecting through That’s all that we are saying we ought other side of the communication. If, in electronic surveillance needs; is that to do with the law and, in fact, that is fact, you have to say ahead of time, we correct? what you would do with the law that can guarantee that none of those con- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- you passed. versations will ever reach into the fornia. That is the absolute testimony As a result, we have really put hand- United States or to an American any- of the experts who actually do it. cuffs in our ability to deal with ter- Mr. AKIN. Sixty percent of our intel- where, you couldn’t get a prior war- rorism far much more than people ligence-gathering capability is going to rant, because you can’t guarantee that. would argue that we would do in terms be hobbled? What you need to do is to do it the of law enforcement. way Admiral McConnell suggested and Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- the way we put it in the law before. If fornia. Against terrorist targets inter- Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I thank it’s a target that is a foreigner in a for- nationally, absolutely. In the process, the gentleman for clarifying that, be- eign country, for foreign intelligence we will grant more protection under cause I think it’s an important provi- purposes, as defined under the law, if the law to Osama bin Laden than we do sion, and I think it is being added into that’s the case, you don’t need a war- to an American citizen accused of a what is being called the RESTORE Act rant. crime in the United States. That is the very late in the game before it was If, as you collect the communications utter insult in the whole process. pulled from the House floor last week. in some way, you find that inadvert- Mr. AKIN. Yet in the State of Mis- It is a provision that is deadly dan- ently a communication went into the souri we don’t call that common sense. gerous to the security of this country. United States or is with an American Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- The Foreign Intelligence Surveil- citizen, you do what we call, under the fornia. I don’t think anybody could call lance Act was set up to protect the law, minimization, which means, if it that common sense. Only on the floor civil liberties of Americans, and it has has nothing to do with that individual of the House of Representatives would done that effectively. But because of on the other end that implicates that one dare to call that common sense. I changes in technology over the last individual in any way, you don’t use it. am not one person who dares, nor are decade in particular, there are more But you do use it against Osama bin my two colleagues here. and more conversations that are for- Laden. Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I want eign conversations, international con- What they put in the bill was, very to make sure I understand something versations that happen to transit the specifically, if we inadvertently cap- here, because I think you said some- United States. Under the old law, be- ture a communication that involves an thing that’s important. If the United fore we fixed this in early August, you American on the other side, guess what States Government inadvertently col- needed a warrant to touch a wire inside we have to do? We cannot use it. We lects a phone call that involves an the United States even if the person cannot disclose it. We cannot use it for American, if Osama bin Laden himself you are targeting is overseas. any purpose, and we cannot keep it for calls into the United States on a new Earlier this year, because of some more than 7 hours unless we go to a phone line, and we had no idea, we court decisions, this became com- court and get another court order for a didn’t expect him to call in to America, pletely unmanageable, and the Foreign warrant. and he has got a new phone number, he Intelligence Surveillance Court became Mr. AKIN. But if the gentleman has got one of those disposable phones, almost completely nonfunctional, with would yield, what I understand the he calls in and we get lucky and we backlogs, with requests for warrants, Democrat solution is saying, that you pick it up, and that phone call says to people who couldn’t develop probable can’t do that. That as soon as Osama one of his cells in the United States, cause, because, you think about this, bin Laden lights up his computer, we ‘‘Tomorrow is the day. Blow up the you have got some guy on the Horn of don’t know where he is calling to, and, Sears Tower in Chicago,’’ is it my un- Africa that you suspect of being affili- therefore, we have got to get some derstanding that under this bill they ated with al Qaeda. It’s not as if the judge to give us permission to tap into. have put forward the intelligence FBI can go and talk to their neighbors Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- agents couldn’t even tell law enforce- and develop probable cause for a war- fornia. Let’s understand what we are ment about that? They would be pro- rant in order to touch a wire in the talking about. I presume Osama bin hibited from that? United States, and yet our intelligence Laden is sharp enough to realize that Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- capability is much enhanced if we can maybe he ought to have more than one fornia. Unless that cell had already touch that wire in the United States. phone line. You know what we have been identified by us, we knew who with bad guys in the United States, they were, we had already gotten legal b 1915 they use cell phone after cell phone permission to do that, we wouldn’t be after cell phone. They use it for maybe able to do that. So you have an odd situation where a day. They throw it away. They use Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. So we we’re having intelligence agents take another one. get the intelligence tip of a lifetime to tremendous risks to try to collect in- Don’t you think the bad guys trying be able to prevent the next terrorist at- telligence overseas, while we’re tying to kill us are as smart as that? We tack, and this bill, the RESTORE Act, our own hands here in the United have to be able to be sharp enough to would prevent us from protecting States. The law that we passed in early find this stuff and turn on this infor- American citizens? August addresses this problem. mation in a timely fashion to save us. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- The act that was pulled from the We have to have the agility to do that. fornia. Absolutely. Let me tell you floor, so-called RESTORE Act, last What has happened with the law we what happens in a criminal case. Let’s week would only have restored the passed in August, according to the say we have a legitimate wiretap on a ability of terrorists to plot to kill NSA, and I was out there yesterday, member of the Mafia, and that person Americans. It would be suicide for the

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00067 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.162 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11916 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 United States to intentionally, inten- Now, the fact of the matter is that These are his words. If you have to tionally cut off our ability to try to lis- was picked up from language that’s pre-determine that it’s foreign-to-for- ten to the communications of the ter- currently in FISA that has nothing to eign before you do it, it is impossible. rorists who are trying to kill Ameri- do with this, that has to do with inad- That’s the point. You can only target cans or anybody else. vertent communications gained in an- one. If you’re going to target, you have I would be happy to yield to my col- other context. So I don’t know whether to program some equipment to say, I’m league from New York. it was inadvertent, it was bad drafts- going to look at number 1, 2, 3, so tar- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- manship, or it was intentional. But the geting, in this sense, if you are tar- fornia. Let me just reclaim my time fact of the matter is, on its face, that geting a phone number that is foreign. for a moment. And remembering last is exactly what it does, and that’s why So that’s the target. The point is that week when we had this bill on the floor I can stand here and say, without fear you have no control over who that tar- and we went before the Rules Com- of contradiction, that it gives greater get might call or who might call that mittee to ask for an opportunity for protection to Osama bin Laden in that target. amendment and debate on our impor- instance than we give to an American Mr. NADLER. Will the gentleman tant issues and we were denied that by charged with a crime in the United yield at this point? a gag rule, I would like to yield to the States. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- gentleman for purposes of a short de- Again, I don’t know what the purpose fornia. I’ll be happy to yield in one sec- bate, because I think this is what we was in drafting it that way. That’s one ond. I found that I did have the specific should engage in and why I was so dis- of the problems when you bring a bill language to which I referred a moment appointed last week on the rule. to the floor and you have a closed rule ago. This is the proposed language in Mr. NADLER. I appreciate the gen- that doesn’t even allow us to question the bill: ‘‘If electronic surveillance tleman yielding to me. And I wasn’t the language, to attempt to deal with concerning foreign-to-foreign commu- planning to debate this; I just hap- it. And the gentleman can say it nications inadvertently collects a com- pened to be walking through the Cham- doesn’t say that. I would suggest the munication in which at least one party ber and I heard what you were saying. gentleman go back and look at the spe- to the communication is located inside People are entitled to their opinions, cific language, because I was astounded the United States or is a United States but they’re not entitled to misquote when I first read it. I first looked at it person, the contents of such commu- what the bill does, which is what I’ve and said, this can’t possibly be the nication shall be handled in accordance been hearing. way. I presented it to the Rules Com- with minimization procedures adopted First of all, it is quite correct, as the mittee. Not a single person on the by the Attorney General.’’ If that’s all gentlelady from New Mexico said, that Rules Committee or a member of your it said, that would be fine. But then it the FISA law needed to be updated. side of the aisle on the Judiciary Com- says: ‘‘That require that no contents of Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- mittee or the Intelligence Committee any communication to which a United fornia. Well, if I could take back my contradicted what I had to say. No one States person is a party shall be dis- time, if the gentleman would specifi- pointed to where that was wrong. That closed, disseminated or used for any cally say where we misstated, I would happens to be in the bill. Now, if you purpose or retained for longer than 7 love to respond to that. But the gen- want to change it, we ought to change days, unless a court order is obtained tleman can get his own time to talk it. But the fact of the matter is that’s or unless the Attorney General deter- about other things. where it is. mines that the information indicates a Mr. NADLER. I will say two things. Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. If the threat of death or serious bodily in- Number one, the RESTORE Act, the gentleman would yield, the issue of for- jury.’’ bill that was pulled from the floor, eign-to-foreign communications is in Reading that, as it is written, if number one takes care of that techno- the bill. But here’s the problem. We Osama bin Laden, in a conversation, logical problem, just as the bill that can put in law that you don’t need a communication or whatever to some- was passed in August does, by updating warrant to listen to foreign-to-foreign one who happens to be a U.S. person or and making clear that foreign-to-for- communications, but you’re never tar- is in the United States that is not then eign communications that come geting a communication between two a target, under the regime that we through a server in the United States points. You’re always looking at one have, doesn’t implicate that individual do not need a warrant. So that’s not an target. And if I am targeting you in Af- whatsoever, but in the course of the conversation, reveals where he is, issue because this bill does it. ghanistan, I don’t know who you’re Second of all, let me just make the going to pick up the phone and call where he’s going to be, we cannot act on that information under this specific two points. And second of all, I think I next. If it is a felony to listen to a con- language unless the Attorney General heard you say, both of you, somebody versation between a foreigner and a determines the information indicates a here, that if you were tapping some U.S. person without a warrant, as soon threat of death or serious bodily in- terrorist abroad and he called into the as that foreigner picks up the phone jury. Telling where he is doesn’t indi- United States and you heard him talk and dials an American number, you’ve cate a threat of death to anybody or se- about terrorism with somebody in the created a situation where an intel- rious bodily injury to anybody. United States, that you could not tap ligence agent is a felon. As a result, if That’s the language that your side that, you could not use that informa- you have that provision in the bill, has presented on the floor as a fait tion. That’s simply not true. they must get warrants on every for- accompli. We could not amend it. We Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- eigner. And that is the situation we couldn’t even discuss amending it on fornia. I will reclaim my time. The fact were in earlier this year that com- the floor because we had a gag rule. of the matter is that is true. I hope to pletely crippled our intelligence collec- And the gentleman is a distinguished get the language here in a moment. In tion. attorney. He knows how to use words the manager’s amendment, in the sec- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- very, very well. You can’t change the ond major paragraph of the amend- fornia. Let me just reclaim my time to words that are on the printed page. ment, it specifically refers to inad- specifically quote Admiral McConnell Let me yield to my friend from Mis- vertent capture of a conversation in- on this point. He said in testimony be- souri before I yield to the gentleman volving an American on one end. And fore the Judiciary Committee: ‘‘When from New York. in those cases it specifically said, if you are conducting surveillance in the Mr. AKIN. Now, there was one proce- that is the case, you may not use it for context of electronic surveillance, you dure that the Republicans were allowed any purpose, you may not disclose it, can only target one end of the con- to do, and that’s called the recommit; and you may not keep it for more than versation. So you have no control over is that correct? We couldn’t make any 7 days, unless you get a specific war- who that number might call or who amendments. We couldn’t discuss it. rant with respect to that, or the Attor- they might receive a call from.’’ He Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- ney General makes a specific finding then said specifically: ‘‘I’m talking fornia. Motion to recommit, yes. that the information itself relates to about foreign-to-foreign and whether Mr. AKIN. And so on the motion to the death of an American. that takes care of the problem.’’ recommit, we did the best thing we

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I don’t know implicate the American whatsoever, something to the effect that nothing in what we’re doing now. I’m not part of does not indicate a threat of death or this bill will prevent us from trying to the leadership. And as I said, I just serious bodily injury to anybody else, capture bin Laden or prevent us from happened to be walking here. I don’t but reveals where he is, you are prohib- gathering information on al Qaeda, and know why the bill isn’t back here now. ited from dealing with that. they’re attacking this country, some- But I know it will be in the next week The gentleman from New York, I ap- thing to that effect. or so. preciate it. But you know, the great Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- political philosopher, Don Meredith, fornia. Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or fornia. So it’s the gentleman’s state- once said: ‘‘If if and buts were candy other terrorist groups and prevent at- ment that you’re willing to accept the and nuts, everyday would be Christ- tacks on the United States or Ameri- motion to recommit, and your side is mas.’’ Now you may wish it. You may cans. That was the language. And I the leadership. hope it. You may think it. These are Mr. NADLER. Yes. The language was might say to the gentleman, it was the words that your side presented to unobjectionable. never offered, we never got to that Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- us as a fait accompli. That’s what it point. But rather than have a gag rule fornia. Well, that’s good to hear. Then says. You can’t get around it. And the or follow the leadership we got from we will expect to see that language in gentleman, as a distinguished attor- the Democratic side, of a gag rule, we the bill when it returns. ney, knows that when you go into also showed it to the other side way Mr. NADLER. Had it said forthwith, court you’ve got to look at the words. ahead of time. And the reaction was it would have been, and I shouldn’t We’re not going to put people at risk in what? To pull the bill, or at least to speak for the leadership but that’s the CIA, in the FBI and the NSA, in all stop in mid-debate on the bill, and we what they were saying at the time, we of those other agencies in the Depart- will bring it back. would have accepted it. But because it ment of Justice based on the fact that Mr. AKIN. It was in such a hurry said promptly, which the Parliamen- we ought to read these, as I think the that we didn’t have time for any tarians have told us would entail a con- gentleman said once before in debate, amendments. siderable delay. in a commonsense way. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- b 1930 fornia. Well, let me yield to the gen- fornia. I’m sure glad we’re not delaying tleman from New York. Perhaps the now. But go ahead. There is no commonsense exception gentleman from New York can tell us Mr. NADLER. Well, we found out, by to this provision in the law. when the bill is coming back to the the way we thought the Senate was I would be happy to yield to the gen- floor. going to pass the bill the next day. It tlewoman from New Mexico. Mr. NADLER. I can’t because I don’t turns out they haven’t got their act to- Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. One of know that. I don’t know that. Presum- gether, so we have a little more time. the things my colleague from New ably sometime in the next 2 weeks. But Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- York said was, well, there are these would you yield now? fornia. The Senate was going to pass a minimization procedures, and that’s Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- bill. Not that bill. true. There are minimization proce- fornia. I’d be happy to yield to the gen- Mr. NADLER. Yes, it was going to dures under current law, which means tleman. pass a different bill. We wanted to pass that if you gather information that in- Mr. NADLER. Thank you. Two a bill before they did, so that’s why we volves innocent people, you mask their points. One, what was just said about were in a hurry. identity, you don’t disseminate things that motion to recommit, the contents But getting back to the point we said that don’t matter, and you protect peo- of the motion to recommit, that noth- a few minutes ago, I don’t have the ple’s privacy. If it only went that far, ing shall be construed as barring, tap- benefit of the language. I know you that would be fine. The problem is the ping or wiretapping, whatever the lan- have it there from the manager’s rest of the paragraph that my col- guage was, bin Laden, Osama bin amendment which I haven’t seen, or league from California mentioned, Laden, al Qaeda, et cetera, was com- the context. But I do know the fol- which actually prohibits dissemination pletely unobjectionable. Indeed, it was lowing: The whole point, Admiral of information that could be critical to totally superfluous. Had that motion McConnell is quite correct when he this country. said the motion is to recommit the bill says, obviously, if you’re tapping who- It is astounding to me that we might to committee to amend it to include ever in a foreign country, you don’t actually intercept a conversation in- these words, and to report the bill back know who he’s going to call. You’re volving Osama bin Laden himself that forthwith so we could have continued tapping that one point. You’re tapping reveals where he is going to be tomor- the debate, we would have accepted Mohammed in Karachi because you row and we would prohibit our intel- that amendment. We would have said know that he, you suspect he’s a ter- ligence agencies from telling the mili- fine. It doesn’t change anything. Fine. rorist that’s involved. If he calls some- tary where he is so they could target But, as you know, the amendment one else abroad no one thinks you need him. said report back promptly, which a warrant or anything else. Under the Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- would have entailed at least a 2-week bill, if he calls someone in the United fornia. Reclaiming my time, not only delay. That’s why the bill was pulled, States, either you hear it, you can’t could we not disseminate, but this is not because of the subject matter, but help hearing it. Either that conversa- the language: ‘‘or used for any pur- because of the word ‘‘promptly.’’ tion is innocent or it’s involved with pose.’’ That’s pretty broad, I would say. Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- something that makes you suspicious Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. Abso- fornia. If I might take my time on that of terrorism. If it’s innocent, you have lute prohibition. point. Promptly means it goes back to to engage in minimization procedures And I think we need to get back to committee. It doesn’t say it can’t come so you don’t unduly and inadvertently some basics here, which is, number back for 2 weeks. It goes back to com- violate the privacy of some American one, the current law requires that you mittee. for an innocent conversation. If it’s not need a warrant to wiretap a U.S. person Now, we have some rules here that innocent, then you, with that informa- for the purposes of collection of foreign require a few days. We also have some- tion, you can continue listening and if intelligence. That’s what the whole thing called waiver of rules that has necessary you can get a warrant. And Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act happened virtually on every rule that that’s the general design of the amend- was about. But it also makes clear we’ve had here, presenting a bill to the ment. under the law that we passed in the

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We do an operation to repair a faulty valve in there has to take the test and pass or everything we can to find out what your heart, and before you make the they can’t be involved in the program. their plans and capabilities and inten- decision, you have to go to a judge to They have new training in the author- tions are so we can prevent another get permission to follow the doctor’s ity and the competency test. They un- terrorist attack. That is what our in- order. I don’t think that’s what I would derstand the legislative changes, the telligence community does. And to want to do. documentation and the termination. somehow tie this up in red tape with a Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. Will They have spot checks and audits to bunch of lawyers and judges makes no the gentleman yield? assess compliance. They have some- sense to me at all when we are trying Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- body else come out within their organi- to find out the secrets they are des- fornia. I would be happy to yield. zation and check up on individuals. Mrs. WILSON of New Mexico. I know perately trying to protect from us. And then they have an assessment of we are coming to the end of this hour, I have to say, there is a question, management controls. but I think there is something impor- how many lawyers should it take to be In other words, they have multiple allowed to listen to Osama bin Laden? tant for Americans to understand. We all remember where we were the reviews on a regular basis of what’s The answer should be zero. That’s what morning of 9/11. We remember what we going on there. And in addition, what the answer should be. We shouldn’t in- were wearing, what we had for break- they have done is they are subjected to volve lawyers and judges in trying to fast, whom we were with, and that is oversight by the Office of the Director intercept his communications, even if seared into our memories. of National Intelligence and the De- he is talking to an American. Very few Americans remember where partment of Justice every 14 days, Mr. AKIN. Will the gentleman yield? they were when the British Govern- every 30 days, and every 60 days. And Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN. I would ment arrested 16 people who were with- then on top of that, they have the Con- be happy to yield after I make this one in 48 hours of walking onto airliners at gress that can look at things. statement in reference to what the Heathrow and blowing them up simul- That, the American people should un- gentlewoman just said. taneously over the Atlantic. We don’t derstand, is the seriousness with which Judge Richard Posner of the Seventh remember it because it didn’t happen. the agency is undertaking their respon- Circuit Court of Appeals put it this And it didn’t happen because Amer- sibility to protect Americans from ter- way: ‘‘The aim of national security in- ican, British, and Pakistani intel- rorists overseas and to make sure there telligence is to thwart attacks by ligence were working together to dis- is no inadvertent violation of the civil enemy nations or terrorist groups rath- rupt the plot and prevent the terrorist liberties of Americans. er than to punish the perpetrators attack. Mr. AKIN. Will the gentleman yield? after an attack has occurred. The That is what matters here. We want Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- threat of punishment is not a reliable to stop those memories from being cre- fornia. Yes, I would be happy to yield. deterrent to such attacks, especially ated before the event happens. Mr. AKIN. I believe that what you when the attackers are fanatics who Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- have described is pretty much what we place a low value on their own lives fornia. Mr. Speaker, I would just like worked out last summer. Just going and when the potential destructiveness to say, because we keep hearing that back to last summer when this problem of attacks is so great that even a single we are not concerned about civil lib- reared its ugly head, we were approach- failure of deterrence can have cata- erties and so forth and that courts ing September 11. The Democrats had strophic consequences. That is why,’’ ought to look at this rather than mak- been unwilling to deal with it. We had the judge says, ‘‘when the government ing decisions by the President of been going back and forth and back is fighting terrorism rather than ordi- United States, many people fondly re- and forth. And as I recall, we basically nary crime, the emphasis shifts from member Justice ‘‘Whizzer’’ White on told the other party we are not leaving punishment to prevention.’’ the United States Supreme Court, an for summer break until you get this The judge has put it fairly well in al- appointee of President John F. Ken- thing fixed because our Nation is ex- most understandable terms, as the gen- nedy. And in the seminal case in the posed. We are not collecting the infor- tleman from Missouri would say. Supreme Court dealing with the ques- mation that we need and we have to And I yield to the gentleman from tion of privacy and wiretapping called deal with that. So at the last minute, Missouri, who would not like to be de- Katz versus U.S., he said this: ‘‘We we passed a 6-month, if you will, patch scribed as an attorney. should not require the warrant proce- that takes us to February; is that cor- Mr. AKIN. Well, I appreciate the good dure and a magistrate’s judgment if rect? work that attorneys do, Mr. Speaker, the President of the United States or Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- and I particularly like different attor- his chief legal officer, the Attorney fornia. That is correct. ney jokes. And this one particular joke General, has considered the require- Mr. AKIN. So until February we are is the only one I have heard that isn’t ments of national security and author- able to do this collection at this point, funny, and that is, how many attorneys ized electronic surveillance as reason- but we have to deal with this problem. does it take to collect intelligence on able.’’ Because the fourth amendment Now, the gentlewoman from New our enemies? And the answer, exactly talks about protection against unrea- Mexico made reference to September as the lady said, should be zero. There sonable searches and seizures and we 11, and I think each of us have our own should be no doubt about this. never hear on this floor that qualifica- memories. But mine was being at the Now, you have talked about some- tion. It is reasonable. site in New York City and seeing that what subtle or finer points of law, but So how do we protect American citi- wall along the side of a city block, the bottom line is there is an agency zens in this? The process of minimiza- four-by-eight sheets of plywood. Cov- that is charged with following the law tion that we talked about that is fol- ering over the wall was a piece of that and protecting our citizens. Now, the lowed by everybody in the NSA. And I kind of slick, greasy plastic that’s wa- opinion of that agency on this point is would just show this to the gentleman. terproof, and it had little dots of mist what is critical, isn’t it? Because if This chart shows the procedures al- because it was a misty day. And under- they believe they can’t do the collec- ready put into place at the NSA, Na- neath it were pictures. Some black and tion, then there is going to be 60 per- tional Security Agency, to implement white, some in color, a picture of a guy cent or more of intelligence gathering the Protect America Act and ensure with his dog, a husband and wife. And that is going to be hobbled. They are that Americans’ civil liberties are pro- as I looked at those pictures, it re- not going to have that capability. And tected by minimization. minded me of the many times in the

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Mr. Speaker, I thank the gen- broader issue of it is impacting the 60 percent of their intelligence gath- tleman for his words. people who live on the land, who pro- ering is un-American, it is something And let me just finish on these vide our food and fiber in this country. that we will not tolerate in this Cham- words. Justice Robert Jackson of the This area has been the hardest hit. And ber, and until we get it right, I will U.S. Supreme Court once said, ‘‘The it’s a broad area, as you can see here. never be quiet on this subject. And I Constitution is not a suicide pact.’’ It’s in the State of Arkansas, Mis- know the gentleman feels as strongly f sissippi, Alabama, Georgia, North as I do. Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of Cali- b 1945 Virginia, and even parts of Maryland. fornia. I appreciate the gentleman’s DROUGHT CONDITIONS IN THE In North Carolina, Governor Easley sentiments. And I would just say I SOUTHEAST has issued a state-wide ban on burning, don’t think there is anybody in this and he has asked citizens to halt all Chamber that depreciates the experi- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. nonessential water use. Just this week ences of 9/11 nor the threat that cur- MITCHELL). Under the Speaker’s an- he took another step, and he asked our rently faces this country. That does nounced policy of January 18, 2007, the citizens to reduce their water use by 50 not excuse anybody in this Chamber or gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. percent by Halloween. And this us collectively for making either ill-in- ETHERIDGE) is recognized for 60 min- drought has affected our farmers to an formed decisions or just wrongheaded utes as the designee of the majority extent so great that it is now affecting decisions. And when we have the expert leader. rural communities across North Caro- experience and judgment of people like Mr. ETHERIDGE. Mr. Speaker, I rise lina. And I’m sure, as my colleagues Admiral McConnell, who told us of the tonight to begin this hour to put a come this evening, they will share with threat that we are currently facing and great spotlight on what is occurring in you what’s happening in their State his inability to do the job that he has the southeastern region of the United across the Southeast. sworn an oath to do, and when we re- States. I don’t know if my colleagues can see sponded in a way which he said works, You know, when you look at the sta- here, but certainly North Carolina is it is totally beyond belief that we tistics and you look at the effects, predominantly red because now, and I would want to change that now. there is only one word that can de- will talk about it in a few minutes, al- And the other thing is, is there any- scribe the drought that has gripped the most every county, almost all 100 coun- body in this Chamber that believes the southeastern United States, and that is ties are in what’s called the ‘‘extreme threat is only until February or is only ‘‘tragic.’’ drought,’’ and I will talk about that; for 2 years, as was in the bill that was If you look at this map to my right, but my congressional district falls 100 presented to us? This is a long-term you see that the Southeast is this large percent in the extreme drought area. threat which necessitates a long-term red area. And you also have some of And it does have an effect on rural commitment on the part of the Amer- the same effects in some parts of the communities, but it also affects subur- ican people, on the part of the Con- west coast, and we’ve seen the effects ban and urban communities. Plants are gress, on the part of the entire Federal of what’s happening there with the ter- having their production levels cut to Government. And we have an obliga- rible fires that are now taking place save water. Several communities have tion to make sure that that takes out in California. only a few months of water supply re- place. Otherwise, the American people Mr. Speaker, this is a disaster, not maining. And I just talked about one have every right to say to us you have like a tornado or a hurricane or even that has no more than 60 days. It has not done the job. any major catastrophic event. When now cut production in one of the plants So I would hope that when we have you have a big storm or you have an that employs roughly 2,000 people; it this bill on the floor we have an oppor- earthquake, it’s over, you come in and has cut their production back to 3 and tunity to make it permanent so that put things back together, you’re able 4 days. They’re hauling water in water we can tell our adversaries we will to start sorting people’s lives out. But tankers just to keep operating. I know throw everything at you, not to con- a drought of the magnitude of the one that this is the case in several of these vict you after a perpetration of an at- that is now gripping the Southeast is other States as well, and I look forward tack on us but to prevent it in the first sort of a continual process. It started to hearing from my colleagues. place. The American people don’t want well over a year ago. We had a dry win- What we really need is a good rain. prosecution. They want prevention ter, we had a dry fall, last year a dry Members of Congress think they can do first and foremost. winter, this past year, and now this a lot of things, but they can’t do a Mr. AKIN. If I could just interrupt year. And I will talk about it more as whole lot about rain. We can talk for a minute, I don’t think any of us the evening goes on. about it, we can pray for it, we can want to impugn anybody’s motives. We have places in my home State and wish we were able to get it; but the Our objective here is and the reason we in other places of the Southeast where truth is we can’t do anything about it. were sent here by our constituents is to we are 20 inches of rain below normal. And when we can’t do that, what we solve problems, which you have out- And I will talk about that and will can do is help in ways we can help. lined is a reasonable balance between have more to say about it as the In my district, the Second District of the privacy rights of Americans and evening goes on. But this impact adds North Carolina, as I’ve said, the entire the necessity of the government to do up over time. It impacts every person district is virtually in the exceptional what it is number one tasked to do, in the Southeast. It impacts animals, drought area. That is the most serious which is to protect our citizens. But it impacts vegetation, and it certainly category of drought you can have. when we get that balance wrong and has an impact on the land. Farmers have had to struggle all year the director of the people that have to This drought, frankly, is the worst in this very difficult situation. collect that intelligence say that we one that people who are now living can The crisis that this drought is is un- have got to have judges, you are going remember. And in some places in my derlined by the two critical variables to knock out more than half of our in- State, people who are approaching 100 that seem to be working against us. telligence-gathering capability, then it years of age say they have never seen First is the self-sustaining cycle that a says we need to get back to the draw- anything this bad. We know that this drought of this magnitude can trigger. ing board and get this thing done the entire region has had, in some places, For this region to recover any time right way. 10 inches less rain, others plus-20. And soon, we will need at least an addi- I certainly appreciate your attention I was on the phone just today with one tional foot of precipitation. We’re not to the details to looking at the lan- of our small towns working with the likely to get that. This late in the

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The House this summer, and little to no rain since fall, most crops are already too far Agriculture Committee is holding a then have brought about dead and gone for it to make a difference at this hearing on Thursday to help shine the dying crops, soybeans, corn, hay, cot- point. spotlight on this growing disaster, and ton and nursery crops, in particular. What these folks need now is disaster it really is a disaster of large propor- During my travels around southeastern assistance to help them pay their bills, tion. North Carolina, both the summer and to make sure that they can remain on I wrote a letter to the President ask- this fall, I met with many farmers their farms and get ready to plant ing for assistance. This letter was about this issue. Back in August, dur- again in the spring. It is also impor- signed by 54 of my colleagues, both ing our recess, I met with farmers then tant for all of us, as communities and Democrat and Republican. I assume it who feared the worse, and now here we as citizens, to realize that this is going takes a long time for a letter to get to are months later and unfortunately to affect all of us beyond the farms Pennsylvania Avenue. I haven’t heard their nightmares are coming true. If we into our very homes. And now people anything from him. I assume that had not experienced significant rainfall are realizing that with preventative Pony Express will show up one day, by the Labor Day weekend, we were measures they’re having to do to avoid maybe it went with Turtle Express, but going to have even worse problems and, wasting water. I do hope to hear. We have asked that indeed, we have. Where lush green It’s imperative that we support our some money be included in the supple- fields of corn once stood, ragged brown farmers during this dire time so that mental that the President requests. stalks, beat down by the sun, now dot we may ensure a safe and abundant And I understand he sent a supple- our rural landscape; constant remind- food supply for which we, in America, mental down, but there was no request ers of how devastating this drought is are known and which is important to in it. I hope he will reconsider because proving to be. all American citizens. We need help, these farm families may not be able to During August, I met with and talked and we need it now. And let me just say that this drought make it another year. with farmers from several counties. I They pay taxes when they have asked North Carolina Governor Mike reaches, indeed, beyond the farm to citizens throughout regions now across money. They’re God-fearing people. Easley, on behalf of our area’s farmers, the country. Restrictions on watering They help in their communities. And to request a disaster declaration as se- lawns and washing cars have now they deserve, when they have tough vere drought conditions existed in turned into calls to even reduce shower times, for their government to help most areas, and I know my colleagues times. And public schools and some them because they’ve helped others have done the same. places now have started to switch to when they’ve had tough times. I also wrote then-Secretary of Agri- paper plates to conserve water. Farmers are some of the most re- culture Mike Johanns and the Presi- Our Governor now has called on even sourceful, ingenious, productive people dent to request their assistance. And greater restrictions in North Carolina. around; but there is not much you can subsequently, upon the return to Wash- And there are great concerns that we do to grow crops or raise livestock or ington after the August recess, I then not only need rain to help the farmers, produce poultry and pork without some also asked the leadership of both par- but this drought has affected every cit- of the essential things you need, and ties here in the House to help us to izen, and our supply of water for all rain is one of those things. And you help those in need because, indeed, this needs, in industry, in home, in schools, need feed. is not an issue about political parties. and throughout all sectors of society. Mr. Speaker, this is why we’re here This is an issue of economic survival, We must all begin to think about tonight, and this is why we all work to- and ultimately, it’s going to affect ev- long-term strategies to conserve water gether. And we’re going to work to cre- erybody. and protect the vital water supplies of ate an awareness to this problem. And You know, Mr. Speaker, and to my countless communities through, not we’re going to put a fire under our col- friend, Congressman ETHERIDGE, and only North Carolina, but, indeed, the leagues, if necessary, and we’re going those others who are joining us here rest of the southeastern U.S. With me- to do the same at the White House if it tonight that you will hear from short- teorologists now calling for continued takes that because our farmers and ly, this is something that affects warm, dry weather, the urgency of ad- rural communities desperately need as- everybody’s pocketbook. We all depend dressing this worsening drought con- sistance. It is my hope that we can on food and fiber for our very survival. tinues to rise, and the need for finan- pass a relief package and that the And this is an issue that is now going cial assistance is greater than ever. President will sign it into law. to affect all of us here in our neighbor- The time is now to act. I thank my These are good Americans. They hoods back home, in our communities, colleague for helping us bring atten- don’t live someplace around the world; indeed, across our State of North Caro- tion to this tonight in this time we they live here in the United States of lina and throughout the Southeast, and have. And I know several colleagues America. As I said earlier, they’re tax- ultimately across this Nation. from not only throughout North Caro- paying citizens when they have money. According to USDA loss estimates, 85 lina, but across the South, are going to Now, let me yield to my good friend of our State’s 100 counties have re- be speaking tonight on the floor. We from North Carolina, MIKE MCINTYRE, ported excessive agriculture losses due must act. We must stand in one voice. who also understands this problem. His to drought for at least one significant We must stand across party lines. And district is caught in the red area also. crop. And major losses have been re- we must give the assistance that is So I yield to him for whatever time he ported already on corn, cotton, to- needed now. may consume. bacco, soybeans, pastures, hay and pea- Mr. ETHERIDGE. I thank the gen- Mr. MCINTYRE. Thank you, Mr. nuts. And those numbers continue to tleman. ETHERIDGE. And I want to thank my rise, Mr. Speaker, as farmers harvest I have just changed the map here for colleague, BOB ETHERIDGE, for request- what’s left of their crops. my good friend, Mr. SPRATT from ing this time tonight. Indeed, we all I also joined my friend, Congressman South Carolina, to give a little bit bet- stand together, knowing that the se- ETHERIDGE, in signing a letter to the ter view of the South Carolina area vere drought which is gripping the President as well when we returned that his district falls in. And it southeastern United States has already from our recess. reaches, of course, into North Carolina, destroyed millions of acres of valuable Now, for many families in our dis- South Carolina, Virginia, as I said ear- crops, Mr. Speaker, not only in our trict, farming is their sole source of in- lier, Tennessee, Kentucky, all the way home State of North Carolina, but come, and any significant loss of yields down to Alabama.

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From the moun- water our lawn, wash your car, take a lows disaster relief and other forms of tains to the coast in North Carolina. long shower is an inconvenience; but if relief to farmers who have suffered South Carolina probably faces some of you’re a farmer and you don’t have the from natural disasters, provided that the same challenges in terms, and if water for your crops, it’s catastrophic. they planted their crops or harvested you look at the crop conditions, and Because you not only have an oppor- their crops before February 28, 2007. this was over a month ago, cotton, very tunity to lose your livelihood; you Unfortunately, that applies to very few poor and poor to fair, 80-some percent; could lose your means of future liveli- of our farmers in the crops that they pastures, 99 percent either fair, poor or hood if you ultimately lose your land plant. Consequently, they have next to very poor. I share that on pastures be- and the equipment that you till it no coverage, next to no protection cause there are a lot of cattle in South with. from disaster relief that some farmers Carolina as there are in North Caro- So I would yield such time as he may in other parts of the country would lina. The price of cattle at the auction consume to my good friend from South enjoy. market has dropped $15 a pound since Carolina, the gentleman, Mr. SPRATT. Basically what we would like simply early summer. Now farmers are being forced to sell because of no hay, no b 2000 to see happen is for our farmers to be cut into the same program of relief grazing for the winter, and guess what Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Speaker, I thank that other farmers are enjoying by vir- is happening? They are getting hit my good friend for yielding and thank tue of existing agriculture law. That is twice. They are buying hay to feed the all of you for participating in this Spe- what we are asking for. And there’s cattle that they have left, and the ones cial Order tonight. You know, we tend several different ways to do it. they are selling they get less money. to think of ourselves as urbanized, even Supplementals will be coming through Now, the people in the Midwest faced in the Southeast these days. But in here with capital improvements in var- this several years ago. This is some- South Carolina, my State, and even ious parts of the world, Iraq, Afghani- thing we haven’t faced before. I will go more so in North Carolina, agriculture stan; we could afford something in through the others later. But at this is critically important as part of our those bills for our own farmers. The time, my colleague from eastern North total economy. In South Carolina, farm bill itself will be coming back Carolina, where he is facing some of 46,000 full- and part-time jobs are sup- here in conference report. Maybe there the same drought areas, one of the ported by agriculture. That is 22 per- is some way we can adjust it to provide heaviest agricultural areas in North cent of all the jobs in our State; $15.1 for us. The Agriculture appropriations Carolina, my good friend, G.K. billion in income is attributable to ag- bill has not yet been passed. There are Butterfield, I yield to you such time as riculture, 17 percent of the State’s lots of opportunities. you may consume. total income. We are here tonight to say we need Mr. BUTTERFIELD. I want to thank I could go on to show that even now the help of everyone, beginning with my friend, Congressman ETHERIDGE, for in the 21st century, we in the Carolinas the administration. The Bush adminis- yielding me this time. This is a very and throughout the Southeast still tration could initiate this process by important issue for North Carolina, have a lot of agriculture, and we are requesting in the next supplemental and I want to thank him for allowing critically dependent upon it. Our farm- some sort of assistance for these farm- me to come to this floor tonight to add ers and our people throughout the ers, as was done and should have been my comments to this subject. Also I Southeast are faced with just about the done for the farmers suffering from want to thank my good friend MIKE worst drought I have seen in I don’t wild fire on the west coast and, by MCINTYRE. He spoke just a few minutes know when. And it keeps getting worse golly, that will be a big first step and ago. MIKE and Congressman ETHERIDGE and worse. I went to Marlboro County, help us finish the process, carry the both are dynamic leaders of the Agri- probably one of the most agricultural ball across the goal line here in Con- culture Committee. They both serve as counties in the 14 counties I represent. gress. chairmen of subcommittees on the I couldn’t believe what I saw. And it We are here tonight from all over the Committee on Agriculture, and they hasn’t gotten any better since then. Southeast to bring the same message are leading the way. I want to thank Soybeans that never develop. There is to the Congress, to the country and to them publicly for their extraordinary no pod. Cotton that is barely worth the Bush administration. We are hurt- leadership. getting out of the fields. Hay, peanuts, ing, hurting bad. And if we don’t get But, Mr. Speaker, I have come to the pastures, you name it, they are all suf- some sort of relief, it is going to be floor tonight to, again, talk about this fering. It is basically at the level of devastating for our farmers. serious drought. My colleagues are ab- being catastrophic unless we can help Thank you very much for the time solutely correct. North Carolina is ex- and help soon. In Marlboro, back in you have yielded. periencing its worst drought in 50 long September, the threshold for the De- Mr. ETHERIDGE. I thank the gen- years. In fact, nearly three-quarters of partment of Agriculture in declaring a tleman, and he is absolutely correct. North Carolina’s 100 counties, that is 75 crop or an area a disaster area is 33 Let me share some numbers, and I or more counties, are experiencing an percent crop loss. Marlboro County in think the same could be said for South exceptional drought, the most severe September, 2 months ago virtually, at Carolina as in North Carolina. This is category listed by the Drought Man- least 6 weeks ago, had 67 percent of its from the National Government, and agement Advisory Council. The council crop already damaged. It is worse by this map here was actually from the also lists the remaining counties as ex- now I am sure. I represent 14 counties, U.S. Department of Drought Moni- periencing extreme drought or severe small-town counties, proud counties, toring and it is dated October 16. It is drought conditions. This is very seri- but still dependent on agriculture, and worse today than it was on the 16th be- ous for North Carolina. 13 of those 14 counties were included cause we have had no rain. The conditions have been so severe recently in a disaster declaration from Let me just share some numbers, and that several of our communities have the Secretary of Agriculture. That is it will be the same that is true in as little as 3 months of water left re- how widespread the disaster situation South Carolina, Georgia and all these maining. If North Carolina does not see is. regions that we see in red. For in- significant rain, some areas face pros- Our Commission of Agriculture esti- stance, as a State as a whole in North pects of water rationing. Yes, water ra- mates that in South Carolina alone, Carolina, just talking about topsoil tioning, or potentially running out of the losses are going to equal $500 to moisture, 73 percent short, very short, water entirely. The climate data shows $600 million. Now, most people don’t 21 percent short. Translated, what that that this spring and summer was the know it, but most farmers today, re- really means Statewide is you can’t area’s driest period since 1948.

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I was on a program a few by the Drought Monitoring Council in acres of watermelons. nights ago with the Speaker of our the Department of Agriculture, if you Now for the people who go to the gro- House of Representatives in North look at North Carolina specifically, cery store, they are going to feel that Carolina, Speaker Joe Hackney, and I North Carolina is still reporting more impact because not having products told Speaker Hackney that I would be drought impact than any other State produced close to home, that they on the House floor tonight with our from the mountains to the coast. Now, don’t have a lot of transportation in, friend BOB ETHERIDGE and we will be all these in the Southeast are hurting. that they know where it comes from, talking about the drought. The Speak- But in North Carolina, as one farmer they get a good, fresh product at a rea- er of my House told me, ‘‘Congressman, said to me the other day, and I men- sonable price. That won’t be there. He with all due respect, you need to talk tioned this earlier, he said, ‘‘You know, said, All of our ponds ran out of water about more than the drought. You need if you can’t water your lawn, that is an in both the watermelon and the canta- to provide resources for the farmers inconvenience. If you can’t wash your loupe fields even though we only used and others who are affected by the car, you can drive it a little dirty. You drip irrigation. You say, Why would drought.’’ can cut back on the shower. But my the water run out? Because we had the This is very serious. As anyone can ponds are empty, so I can’t irrigate my hottest summer on record. When you imagine, the effects on agriculture fields. So I am facing the forces of na- have a hot summer, you get a lot of have been brutal. Congressman ture, and I could lose everything I have evaporation. If you get no rain, you get ETHERIDGE talked about it a few min- got.’’ That’s a sad situation to be in. no opportunity to replenish it. utes ago and Congressman MCINTYRE But it is a reality. When that happens, He said, Our cantaloupe crop wasn’t and my friend Congressman SPRATT, you know, farmers are the last ones to hurt much more than 25 percent to- they all talked about it. The effects sort of stand up and say, ‘‘We want the tally. However, a 25 percent loss starts have been absolutely brutal. It is esti- government to help us.’’ They usually to eat up our profit when you have over mated that peanut production is down want to say, as you well know, ‘‘If you 300 acres of cantaloupes that were about 20 percent from this time last just leave us alone, we can get our jobs early. Pumpkins. We experienced 100 year. Hay production has been cut done.’’ But this is one of those times percent loss on our 100 acres of pump- nearly in half, and soybean production that many of them won’t make it with- kins. Even though we were able to irri- is down by more than a third. My col- out help. And it is certainly true in gate some of them, we ran out of leagues, that is serious. In many parts your area as it is in mine. water. The excessive heat caused very of my district, and Congressman Mr. BUTTERFIELD. Mr. ETHERIDGE, poor pollination, which resulted in no ETHERIDGE has the map there with him are you beginning to hear from our fruit set. in the well of the Chamber, these con- farmers across North Carolina? Are Now, for those who are listening this ditions are so dry that the soil at the they calling your office like they are evening here in the Chamber and those bottom of drainage ditches has started calling my office? who may be watching on C–SPAN, to crack, and water in streams and Mr. ETHERIDGE. They are. what they are really talking about is Mr. BUTTERFIELD. I discern a sense creeks has ceased to even move. For you have to pollinate those flowers, of desperation among our farmers. many, the water table has also dropped and if they don’t get pollinated and They are looking to their Federal Gov- to the point where there is virtually no don’t set, you get no fruit. So all of a ernment for a response. Is that what water in the ground. The drought also sudden, after all the work he put in, you are finding? means that there is less water avail- Mr. ETHERIDGE. I am. I thank the the expensive inputs, there’s no money able for our cattle and horses and other gentleman for yielding. I do. And it is at the end of the year. He said his wheat crop was about a 65 uses. At this point, some farmers will one of those things where, as I said ear- percent loss due to the drought condi- likely have to abandon their crops, par- lier, it didn’t start this year. It really tions as far back as February and ticularly our peanut farmers. The con- started last year, as you remember. We March. Remember, I said earlier we sequences will be even more serious if had a dry winter, then a late frost that had a dry fall last year, it went into there is no significant rainfall between hurt the spring crops, and then we had the winter, and then we had the early now and February. a dry summer that led into the fall, Our U.S. Department of Agriculture frost that hit the wheat and the oats and now they can’t plant the fall crops declared 85 North Carolina counties and a lot of our late grains. So he because there is no ground moisture. disaster areas last month, making winds up with a 65 percent loss there. So there is a level of desperation that farmers eligible for low-interest emer- Then his other crops, and this is just I can’t remember having seen in my gency loans. And we are certainly one farmer, and I will share with you lifetime. Certainly we are hearing from thankful for that. But our farmers still in a minute what these products mean farmers on a daily basis just saying, need more help, and that is what Con- in terms of dollars just in North Caro- ‘‘What can we do? What kind of help gressman ETHERIDGE was talking about lina. I could use other States, but since can we get to get through this?’’ be- a few minutes ago. We are facing the North Carolina is my home, I am going cause they know they have no ability kind of disaster that could push many to use that State. It has an impact be- to make it rain. of our farmers out of business and off cause roughly 25 percent of North Caro- of their farms. Congress must move b 2015 lina’s gross domestic product is really quickly to avoid worsening this nat- Mr. BUTTERFIELD. If we don’t do it, tied up in agriculture. Peanuts. Our ural disaster. it won’t happen. loss ranged anywhere from 30 percent So, I am confident, I am extremely Mr. ETHERIDGE. That’s exactly to 75 percent below normal yields due confident that the Democratic major- right. If we don’t get it done, it won’t to drought. That was just a plain lack ity will rise to the occasion. We will get done. I appreciate you being here of rainfall. certainly encourage the leadership to tonight. Thank you for coming and Now, some of you might say, Well, do that. We will make the resources joining us. why would the rains be so great be- available for our citizens. And I pray, According to the National Drought tween 30 percent and 75 percent for a Mr. Speaker, that the President of the Monitor Center, North Carolina is still farmer who had peanuts. You have got United States would not veto that leg- reporting, as I said, the largest drought to understand, the rain, what little islation, that he will sign it into law. impact in the United States at this rain we got this year, and, remember, I Thank you, Mr. ETHERIDGE, for your time. The crop conditions are dev- said earlier it rains, depending on extraordinary leadership, and thank astating. where you were in the State, 10 inches you for what you mean to North Caro- Let me just share with you an exam- below normal, to as much as 20. If you lina. ple of a farmer from Autryville, North happened to be in one of those 20-plus

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You know, you can though we haven’t started harvesting gross loss will be somewhere between be in Washington and you can come soybeans yet, there is nothing there to $115,000 and $200,000 on his fall harvest. into this nice building and you can harvest. We have 500 acres of soybeans. He is a large operator. He might weath- have plenty of food every day, but one So those of you who don’t have an idea er it. But it will take him years to re- of these days, if we don’t take care of how much 500 acres is, I will just share cover, because the machinery he uses the people who provide food and fiber, with you that if you had a good yield has got a year’s use on it and it is get- we might face that challenge too. on 500 acres, and you yielded say 40 ting worn out and he has no money to So I hope my colleagues understand bushels an acre, you can figure it up make it happen. He said, I hope we can how serious this situation is, and I right quick if soybeans are $7 a bushel. salvage some of it. We will try to save hope the people at the White House un- You can see how much prospective in- what we can. And I just say thank God derstand. I pray that the President will come you have just lost. You have al- for people like him and other farmers send a request to help not only our ready got all the expenses of getting who are willing to continue to get up folks in the Southeast that are going your land ready, buying the seed, put- early in the morning, work in the hot to take a long time to recover, but also ting the chemicals on it if you had to sun, and take the huge risk that it those on the west coast that we see on spray it for pesticides or something. takes to provide food and fiber for all TV tonight, and it looks like it is going This year they probably wouldn’t be- of us in America. to be awhile, who have lost a great deal cause it was so dry. Any time you have Let me share with you something as well. a dry year, you’re more likely to have about what is happening with what we These things, if they do not deserve pests eat it. That is a real problem. call the ‘‘green industry.’’ The green an emergency appropriation, I pray Just this past Monday I was in the industry, of course, is our nursery in- ask, what does? If we can’t help the field with a gentleman who actually dustry and a host of those things tied people in this country, who can we farms in Johnston in Wake County. Mr. to it. These numbers are for North help? When can we help them, if we Jordan carried us into one of his grain Carolina. can’t help them when they are hurting? fields of soybeans, showed us his sweet The green industry contributes more Mr. Speaker, almost 85 percent of the potatoes. Let me just read to you what than $8.6 billion to the economy of land area of my State is now des- he said when I visited him. He is a North Carolina. The green industry ignated as being either extreme or ex- hardworking guy. He has farmed all of alone employs roughly 151,000 people. ceptional drought. To my knowledge, his life. His dad farmed the land; his Due to the drought thus far this year, that has never happened in my life- son is now with him. the green industry has laid off 30 per- time. I have talked with people who are He said, I just had a third of a crop of cent of their labor force and revenues almost 100 years old, and they never re- sweet potatoes come in, and the ones are down 40 percent. Let me repeat member it. we harvested, and for those of you who that again: 40 percent. Fifty-four percent of the land area is know what I’m talking about, number Now, that will be felt not just this in the exceptional category. That is up one potatoes are the ones you get your year. That is going to be felt for a from 38 percent just last week. And, as money for, and the others don’t turn number of years, because that means, I said, all of the State is in at least se- out too good. They’re good potatoes, number one, you can’t expand. Number vere drought, with the last three coun- but people go to the grocery shelf and two, you can’t buy new equipment, and ties in the moderate category now they may not buy them. Most of them all of those people that they buy moving into severe. were not number ones. trucks, tractors and equipment from, On October 18, the North Carolina Then we went to his soybean field, they are going to feel it. Drought Management Advisory Council and in that field, and I grew up on a As you can see from the map here, as Web site listed the number of North farm, my son still farms, I participate I said earlier, the situation in North Carolina counties in each category as in it a little, and I would venture to Carolina and the entire region is dire. follows: D–4, that is exceptional, 71; D– say we opened some pods on some of Fifteen more counties were just moved 3, extreme, 18; and D–2, severe, 11. the soybeans, and those of you who into the worst category of drought, ex- ever had a BB gun know how big a BB ceptional, this week. We talked about b 2030 is, and a soybean is supposed to be a lot 85 already. Fifteen more have been We talked earlier about the challenge bigger, like a pea. And they were like moved into it. We hope to get some we face with water. And water is im- BBs. rain this weekend. Every time we get portant to sustain life. I mentioned Of course, when they go through and promised rain, it tends to split and get earlier about Siler City. I want to talk harvest, they will go right through the away. We hope we do. But more is about that again because that county harvest and wind up back on the needed to make it. When you have as has probably suffered as much or more ground. They are great to help the much area having drought as we do, it as any county in the district, agri- birds a little bit, but it’s going to be just seems that it gets tougher and culturally as well as the city of Siler devastating for Mr. Jordan and farmers tougher. City. They are down to 60 days of like him. He said, The heat has been as Let me share with you one other water. Tonight I want to thank the big a factor as the drought. Of course, thing. I think it was my good friend Governor of our State, Mike Easley, all of you know the heat contributes to Mr. BUTTERFIELD was talking about and his staff and some of the folks from the drought, because it was the hottest how he saw streams that were crack- USDA who have worked together to try summer on record in the State of ing. I was up toward Siler City about a to make sure that the town has water. North Carolina and in the Southeast. month ago in the Upper Piedmont, They have been hauling water with He went on to say he has cattle. He western part of my district. It was the trucks to keep roughly 1,500 to 2,000 said there is not enough hay to cut to first time in my lifetime I have seen people working. As I said when I began justify running the machinery, so we trees along streams that were dead. to speak, they are now down to 3 or 4 are to spend a lot of money for feed to Not the leaves falling off, trees were days a week. It looks like they are help these cows get through the winter. dead, because the streams had long going to break ground, because of the We have farmers in North Carolina since dried up. And anyone who knows hard work of the Governor’s staff, on a hauling hay great distances, others anything about forestry, a tree near a waterline that will hopefully get them that cannot even buy it, hay that was stream tends to have its roots fairly over the hump. But we still need rain $20 and $25 for a big bale has now gone shallow and in the water or close to it. and we need help. from $40 to $50, and in some cases they These streams had been dry so long, These two plants, Pilgrim’s Pride and can’t even get it. This is why they are the trees didn’t have deep roots so Townsend, provide a lot of jobs, but

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They just want to go to the The situation is dire. calling this Special Order and for his meat counter and have good, safe, plen- The gentleman from North Carolina dogged persistence in looking out for tiful, affordable food supply. (Mr. ETHERIDGE) who serves so well on our farm communities, but also under- Mr. Speaker, to do that it is incum- the Agriculture Committee and also standing the implications of this dis- bent upon every Member who took the the Homeland Security Committee, has aster for the economy as a whole. oath of office in this Chamber and the done us a service in organizing this Mr. ETHERIDGE. Let me thank the other body across the hall and the Special Order tonight and bringing this gentleman and thank you for your President of the United States, if we serious problem to the attention of our leadership not just on this, but other can get together a bill, pass it, and we colleagues and to the attention of the issues as well. North Carolina is one of should, for him to sign it, to make sure country. those States, I couldn’t help but think that these folks continue to make it. If anyone has spent any time at all in as you were going through the list, as I saw on Monday the sad com- the Southeast this summer and fall, it you talk about the drought, and over mentary of what a major drought can would be difficult for the enormity of the years being here talking about do. I was on our farm with our son Sat- the drought not to catch your atten- floods and hurricanes because North urday. We spent an hour or two and tion. We see it daily during our time in Carolina, as folks can see on this map, were going to put a cover crop in. We North Carolina. We are not simply we sort of stick out in the Atlantic and actually put some in last Saturday. He talking about brown suburban lawns or we get whacked by hurricanes and we said to me I probably made a mistake; needing to take shorter showers, al- have had floods. I thank the gentleman it might not come up. He is probably though both of those are realities. The for his leadership over the years. He right. This Saturday we decided not to hot and dry conditions of the past sev- has taken the leadership on the Appro- plant anything because the ground was eral months have dried up our lakes priations Committee, and we will lean so dry it wouldn’t germinate. and killed our crops. They are threat- on your broad shoulders again as we I happen to believe our food supply is ening the water supply of many com- work through this because it is impor- part of our national defense. It is part munities, and they are irreparably tant. of our homeland defense, and Members damaging this year’s agricultural out- Let me share with my colleagues in of Congress I think will rally. Farmers put. the little time we have remaining what face some of the toughest perils that I It is that damage to agriculture that Brian Long, who is a spokesman for the can imagine when they invest their brings us here tonight. North Carolina State Department of Agriculture and money in the spring and depend on boasts one of the most diverse arrays Consumer Services had to say. He said, weather to make it. Make no mistake of agricultural products in the Nation, ‘‘We cringe a little more each month about it, somewhere in America almost yet crop yields in North Carolina and because it is going from bad to worse.’’ every year there is some catastrophic other southeastern States are down And I say that because every day event tied to agriculture. Some of it is across the board. There is not a crop that it doesn’t rain it gets drier, and tied to our beaches with hurricanes. It that is not affected. every day that it gets drier, it means is tied to tornadoes in the Midwest. It Last month, following our Governor’s that more and more farmers move clos- is tied to earthquakes. It is tied to a recommendation, the U.S. Department er to the edge. Don Nicholson, a State lot of things. We have always re- of Agriculture designated 85 of North regional agronomist, said: ‘‘It’s the sponded. We have always helped, and Carolina’s 100 counties as disaster worst I’ve ever seen. My mother is 76. we should. Now is the time, Mr. Speak- areas, and all 85 of these counties have She talks about how bad it was in the er, to help the people in the Southeast lost at least 35 percent of at least one early fifties. That is the only reference at a time when we have the toughest major crop. point that I have.’’ And what he was drought that we have ever faced. Such losses are not confined to farm- saying was fifties were bad, but 2007 is And I am pleased that we are now ing in rural areas. They may hit the worse. joined by my colleague from Wake smallest farming communities the Mr. Speaker, as I close out tonight, I County who understands this. He rep- hardest, but they inflict serious pain want to thank my colleagues for com- resents some of the agricultural area, on the entire economy of an agricul- ing and joining me to talk about this but we are very fortunate to have him tural State like ours. They are felt issue, to call attention at the national chairing the Appropriations Sub- throughout the country, seriously af- level because truly this is a problem of committee on Homeland Security, and fecting the Nation’s food supply and national proportion. As the gentleman he certainly understands that our agri- prices. from North Carolina (Mr. PRICE) said, cultural production is part of our na- This may be a regional drought, a it may now only affect the Southeast, tional security as much as protecting disaster that is centered in the South- but it really is a national issue. It is our homeland. If we can’t have cotton east and in North Carolina in par- national in that we are all in this to- and corn and soybeans and those things ticular, but there is no doubt it is a na- gether, and it is national in that this we enjoy having on our table, then we tional problem and that national at- will ultimately affect the table of fami- are challenged. And I yield to the gen- tention is called for. We need to focus lies across this country in one way or tleman from North Carolina (Mr. attention on this challenge in this another, because if cotton production PRICE). He can see from the map as body. is down, it will have an impact. And for well how North Carolina is the worst of Congressional attention and action all of the fruits and vegetables, it will all of the southeastern States by the are demanded. That is why we signed a have an impact. And soybeans and corn drought monitor. letter to the President requesting that over the long haul, because if you have Mr. PRICE of North Carolina. I he include disaster assistance in any to pay more for feed for pigs and poul- thank my colleague for yielding. That supplemental appropriations request. I try, it is reflected on the tables of map before us is an all too familiar am disappointed that yesterday’s re- American consumers and people around scene, I’m afraid. We have seen the quest failed to do so. I know my col- the world. drought areas growing and growing league shares that disappointment, and Mr. Speaker, I trust we can get a bill each week in the newspaper depictions I suspect he has talked about it a good through and I trust that ultimately the of our weather pattern. It is very, very deal tonight already. President will send us a request in one dry up and down the eastern seaboard. I am hopeful that the Appropriations of the supplementals where he is ask- In the Washington, D.C. area, this is a Committee will pay attention to to- ing for additional money from this serious situation as well. But my col- night’s remarks and understand the Congress. And if not, that we will put

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The DREAM Act, Mr. Speaker, you resident student. will remember is an act that’s been And by anecdote, I can tell you that f pushed for several years here in the in California the numbers are compara- DREAM ACT IS AMERICAN United States Congress and also pushed tively about $3,000 a year to go to NIGHTMARE at the State level. What it is about, it school at a California institution if is a bill with a wonderful name, and you’re a resident, and I believe it’s The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. once you read through it and think about $23,000 a year if you’re a non- MITCHELL). Under the Speaker’s an- about the ramifications, it’s not such a resident. You pay that kind of pre- nounced policy of January 18, 2007, the wonderful bill. It has actually meant mium if you come from out of state to gentleman from Iowa (Mr. KING) is rec- the demise of a number of public fig- go to school in-state. Each State sets ognized for 60 minutes. ures. People who have served in this their own policies. These numbers Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, as al- Congress, people that have served in aren’t hard; but, conceptually, they’re ways, I very much appreciate the privi- the State legislatures and people who accurate numbers, Mr. Speaker. lege to address you here on the floor of have aspired to serve in this Congress So the out-of-state student, the non- the United States House of Representa- have found themselves enamored by resident student, pays a premium to go tives. the wonderful name, the DREAM Act, to college at an institution in a State Having sat here and listened to the but also trapped up in and captured in that they’re not a resident of. That’s discussion that was presented by our the pitfalls of the reality of what’s be- been a longstanding practice so that gentlemen from the Carolinas and hind this DREAM Act. the State can encourage, foster, and talking about the drought in the So, Mr. Speaker, if you will permit, I subsidize the education of their resi- Southeast, I am quite interested in the will describe what the DREAM Act dents in the hopes that they have high- map that they have laid out for us to does, and that is, it provides, let me ly educated students that will stay at see. say it this way, an opportunity for in- home and grow the economy of the Coming from an agriculture State state tuition discounts to go to people State that pays the taxes to support and district myself, I will say I have who are otherwise unlawfully present those institutions of higher learning. significant empathy for the drought in the United States, usually younger But that’s a little too convoluted, plight in that part of the country. That people that have graduated from high Mr. Speaker. I’ll just say that States huge area of bright red tells me how school. It gives them in-state tuition want to help their own residents. So tough it must be down there where it discounts, or allows the States to do they’ve set these policies, and that’s hasn’t rained very much in a long time so, and then gives them a conditional why it costs more money to be an out- and gives me a sense before how long it legal status in the United States pro- of-state student going to school in an- will be before you can see green again vided they enter into college or enter other State than it does to go to school in your part of the country, Mr. into the uniform services, not always in your own State, a longstanding ETHERIDGE. We have lived through that our military, but some type of uniform practice. in past years, and I can tell you, it goes services. The DREAM Act turns that all on its deeper than just looking at a picture. This sounds good over the top of head, and for illegal alien students who It goes to the very lives of the people things, but it works out to be this: it have come into the United States in you represent. defies a current Federal law. In fact, it violation of the law, whom if ICE, Im- I yield to the gentleman. has to amend a current Federal law, a migration and Customs Enforcement, Mr. ETHERIDGE. I thank the gen- law that’s been defied by at least 10 were to be required to deliver this in- tleman for yielding. States, and it’s a law that was in the state tuition discount, let’s call it a I remember when we went out to 1996 Immigration Reform Act, spon- voucher, it’s not, it’s a discount, but if South Dakota and through Iowa and sored by now-ranking member of the they had to deliver it in the form of how tough it was when it was dry. I Judiciary Committee, LAMAR SMITH of check or a voucher and if ICE had to will always remember with my good Texas. deliver that, Immigration and Customs friend, JERRY MORAN, we flew into Kan- This legislation in 1996, current Fed- Enforcement, they would be compelled sas last year to do a hearing on the ag eral law, Mr. Speaker, prohibits a to pick up that prospective student and bill. Lo and behold, when we flew in, it State and institutions of higher learn- send them back to the country from was raining like the dickens. I said, ing from granting residency in-state which they came so that they could be ‘‘JERRY, you have been talking about tuition discounts, breaks on the costs legally residing in their home country. how dry it has been for so long.’’ of the education, to students who are That’s the law, Mr. Speaker, and the He said, ‘‘Yes, and all of a sudden we unlawfully present in the United Dream Act turns this on its head. It got plenty of water.’’ Hopefully we will States, that’s a nice word for illegal grants people who are here illegally, get back there, but you do understand. aliens, Mr. Speaker, unless those uni- all the way up to age 30, if they will Thank you for your help. I think this is versities and those States that set that enter into a school and start their an issue where we have to pull together policy grant that same tuition dis- studies on a 2-year study program or if and help. I thank you for your leader- count to all students who are lawfully they will go into the uniform services, ship and help on the Agriculture Com- present in the United States not necessarily our armed services, mittee, too. I appreciate that. wheresoever they might reside. then they get conditional residency or Mr. KING of Iowa. And I thank you. So let me just draw an example, conditional legal status in the United We will work together on this issue. being from Iowa. Let’s just say, for ex- States. And then, if they keep their There is nothing your producers can do ample, that there is a student that nose clean, they get a green card which when it doesn’t rain. Perhaps we can grows up on the east side of the Mis- is lawful, permanent residence, and it’s have a hearing down there and it will sissippi River and a resident of Illinois about 5 years to citizenship. And the bring rain like it did in Kansas. who wants to go to college at Iowa formerly illegal immigrants have ac- Mr. ETHERIDGE. That would be State University. And if Iowa had the cess then to all the chain migration great. Thank you. DREAM Act as a policy, and they de- tools that anyone else has who comes Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I feated it in the State legislature a cou- here legally for those who have re- wanted to express those sentiments, ple or 3 years ago, actually let it die in spected our laws. but I come to the floor tonight to dis- committee as I recall. But if that stu- Now, that means they can bring in cuss a different subject matter. dent who grows up and goes to a high their siblings. It means they can bring

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Yes, if your view is that with the policy that’s there that’s zenship to people who are eligible for simplistic, Mr. Speaker, if that’s all called family reunification, and it deportation. And I say supercitizen- the view is, isn’t it better for the kids looks like about one legal immigrant ship, Mr. Speaker, because this super- that would be beneficiaries of this? The can bring in about 277 family members citizenship path, by the way, grants answer is yes. by the time you go out through the more rights, special rights to illegal But we could grant in-state tuition chain of the family tree. That would aliens to go to school in our institu- discount to every kid in this country, also be true for an illegal immigrant tions of higher learning at a tuition and in my State it would cost several who would be granted amnesty under discount. hundred million dollars. The State leg- the DREAM Act. For example, if you have a legal islature is not willing to do that. The So in-state tuition discounts, am- alien, someone who has applied for a current law is, if you grant that in- nesty for illegal aliens, put this bill, student visa or has lawful, permanent state tuition discount to students who this bill that if the cloture as has been status, lawful permanent residency are illegal, then you grant that same filed and if it successfully passes to- here in the United States, a green card, discount to everyone in the United morrow, then the Senate will go to a and they’re going to school at an out- States, wherever their residency might vote on the DREAM Act. If they do of-state institution, they have to pay be. And so all of those students that that and the House should take up the the out-of-state tuition rate. If some- are paying out-of-state tuition, that same bill and then the President one comes in from Korea or Guatemala $16,000 in Iowa, would end up getting should sign it, you will have illegal or let’s say Russia, Poland, comes into the $6,000 annual education as opposed aliens who will be sitting in desks in the United States legally, student visa to the $16,000 education. A $10,000 pre- the institutions of higher learning or under a green card, maybe even in a mium that’s there that’s levied against within our States studying, going to path to citizenship, and they have a all of those students that come from college at the expense of the taxpayers residency in New Jersey, they can’t go other places around the country and and at the expense of the Federal tax- to school in New York with an in-state the world would all be level down to payers because we do appropriate funds tuition discount, and they sure in the $6,000. that go into these institutions. world can’t go to school in California They can do that today if they As you know, Mr. Speaker, there are for $3,000 because they’ll be considered choose, Mr. Speaker; but they will not only so many desks in a classroom. an out-of-state resident and they will do that because the boards of regents There are only so many slots in our in- be. and the State legislatures across this stitutions of higher learning, and That’s the way it is for American land don’t want to take the financial that’s why we have admissions require- citizens, both naturally born and natu- hit. They don’t want to level the pre- ments. That’s why you apply and you ralized. That’s the way it is for people mium. They don’t want to give this put in your grades and all of the other who have followed and respected and kind of benefit to all American citi- qualifications that are there, and very honored our immigration laws, wheth- zens. They don’t want to give this kind tough decisions are sometimes made by er they’re on a student visa or whether of benefit to the sons and daughters of these universities to allow people to they’re here on lawful permanent resi- our military. They don’t want to give come in and study there or to cut them dency, a green card. They all have to this benefit to those who are legally out. follow the laws of this country, and emigrating here into the United You will remember some high-profile they all have to pay the going rate States. And they don’t want to give cases. For example, the affirmative ac- that reflects their residency of their this benefit to those who are on a path tion cases at the University of Michi- State. to citizenship here in the United States gan and at the University of Michigan And consider, Mr. Speaker, if you provided they’re not residents of the Law School. There are only so many will, consider the children of military institution in question. desks that are available. Imagine families, whether or not they’ve lost a No, sir, Mr. Speaker. This is all about granting an in-state tuition discount parent in this global war on terror. special right, special treatment for to someone who came across the border Those children move around a lot, and people, for students that are unlaw- and into the United States illegally some of them don’t qualify necessarily fully here; and the numbers break out and someone who is getting a $6,000 for the in-state tuition discount maybe to be something like this. A million, education, when the student sitting in anywhere, and they would be paying a more, we don’t know. There’s not a cap the desk right next to them is a United premium as a son or a daughter of our on it, but the best estimates say more States citizen, naturalized or born in military veterans, sitting next to a than a million; and we know that when the United States, whose mother or fa- desk of someone who before this act you grant benefits, it attracts more ther has served perhaps in Iraq or Af- would be passed today will be unlaw- people. And there will be people that ghanistan, who has perhaps been killed fully present in the United States, sub- will come into the United States ille- over there to defend our freedom, and ject to deportation who would end up gally and present themselves to go to that poor student without a father or a getting a discount for the tuition. college at a tuition discount, and they mother has given their life for our free- This is the bill, Mr. Speaker, that the will say, oh, yes, I’ve been here that 5 dom is paying out-of-state tuition Senate proposes to bring up tomorrow years or so that the Senate bill re- prices to go to school at their preferred with their cloture vote; and if they quires that I’m here; and by the way, I institution, sitting in a desk next to vote cloture, and we’ll have this debate have these falsified utility bills and someone who is unlawfully present in on the floor of the United States Sen- rent canceled checks and things of that the United States and would be de- ate, and you’re going to be able to, Mr. nature that say that I’ve been here so ported if it weren’t for this DREAM Speaker, look across over to the Sen- I meet the minimum standards. Give Act that grants them amnesty. ate and be able to evaluate the set of me that tuition discount, too. Now, that sets up a friction in this values that the United States Senate That’s the view and the strategy, the society, Mr. Speaker, that’s illogical. brings to the table and this set of val- special extra citizenship rights that It’s irrational. It rewards the wrong ues that produces supercitizenship, come with it for more than a million thing, and in the end, it would not be superaccess to citizenship for illegals. people. And we know also, Mr. Speaker, tolerated by the public if they begin to I recall some of the debates that that whenever you open the door up understand what this really means. we’ve had here on the floor of this and you count the numbers, the num- The Department of Homeland Secu- House. Discussions and speeches, I bers get greater, not smaller. Ronald rity, Michael Chertoff’s DHS, under should say, rather than debates; and I Reagan said, what you tax you get less this DREAM Act would not be able to recall how easy it is for some of the of; what you subsidize you get more of.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00078 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.177 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11927 And we are here talking about open- DREAM Act and apply to go to school, were born here and naturalized here ing the door to subsidizing signifi- under a super discount, we will give are being bumped from those jobs by il- cantly a two-thirds discount, a 66 or 67 you conditional lawful status here in legal aliens who are taking those jobs percent discount, on college tuition for the United States. That’s amnesty. It’s cheaper. people who are eligible for deportation. also a path to citizenship, and it opens Of course they can. In fact, they have to, because some of the job market b 2100 the door for family reunification, the chain migration that we talk about. It they can’t compete in, in the legiti- I think it’s breathtaking how far does all of those things. That’s am- mate part of the job market. So they they are seeking to reach over in the nesty. all come in and work cheaper, but on United States Senate. I think the peo- Amnesty, to define it for the benefit the other hand they don’t have the risk ple understand this. I think they un- of those who have heard a lot of dif- of liabilities that go along with steady derstand that this is a super amnesty ferent definitions, the consistent defi- employment like a citizen does with a plan. Whatever your heart says, can we nition of amnesty that addresses this is regular address who has the obligations just please engage our brains for a lit- the definition that we have used in the to make their contributions to the tle bit and think about what this Judiciary Committee over and over Federal Government, to the State gov- means; what it means if we give in- again. In our debates as we mark up ernment and to the local government. State tuition discounts to people who immigration bills, in our hearings as It’s not to say that many of the are unlawfully present in the United we cross-examine the witnesses on im- illegals don’t pay taxes, but here is States, those who, as I said earlier, if migration, to grant amnesty is to par- where it comes to me this way. Some- ICE, Immigrations and Customs En- don immigration lawbreakers and re- one who presents a Social Security forcement, had to deliver the paper- ward them with the objective of their number, that’s often someone else’s, work that said here is your tuition dis- crimes, to pardon immigration and sometimes it’s just a made-up count, they would be compelled to pick lawbreakers and reward them with the number. They then have been consist- these students up and send them home objectives of their crimes. That’s am- ently hired to go to work through a again. Some of these students up to the nesty. That’s what the DREAM Act number of different professions; most, I age of 30 are taking advantage of the does. That’s what’s moving, that’s will say, many of the professions. They soft heart of Americans. what’s cooking, that’s what is shaking will often record the maximum number So extend this on out, what’s the mo- over in the Senate. of dependents with the H.R. team tive? Some is driven by the churches, I By the way, the beneficiaries of this that’s there for the company so that understand. I appreciate the ministry act don’t have to finish their college they get the highest amount of take- that they provide. You know, I am a education. All they have to do is en- home pay and the least amount taken strong proponent and adherent to the gage in it for a couple of years. That out for their Federal and their State values that come from our churches starts the ball rolling. As I said earlier, income tax in the States that have in- and the good movements in America they don’t have to serve in the mili- come tax, and that’s almost all. that come from the pulpit. But if the tary; they just have to serve in the uni- If you have someone come in, and churches from America believe that we formed services. There are many holes let’s just say they are making $10 an should be providing in-State tuition in this act. hour, and let’s say it’s 40 hours a week, discounts for those people that the law Let me take this, if I can, back to an- and it’s simple math, and I am just says need to be sent home, can you other subject matter that’s associated doing it as I stand here, so that’s $400 please pass the collection plate. Don’t with this, and that’s the subject matter a week. The withholding that would be come here to Congress and ask that we that also threatens to find its way into there for the State taxes at $400 and for squeeze that out of the sweat of the legislation that we expect will be mov- the Federal tax at $400 a week, if you taxpayers, because they are the ones in ing in the United States Senate, and would claim a number of dependents, the end that pay the price, and the that’s AgJOBS. AgJOBS is a bill that let’s just say six or seven or eight, you American citizens that won’t have a grants amnesty to people that are un- are already in the category at that desk in a classroom, because that desk lawfully here that are working in the kind of wage where you wouldn’t have is already filled by somebody who gets agriculture industry, people that are any withholding for Federal income a cheaper rate than they can get. picking lettuce, as Senator MCCAIN has tax, you wouldn’t have any with- There is only so much room. There so well illustrated. And the AgJOBS holding for State income tax. You are only so many benefits. We can help bill says if you have been here for 5 would still have to pay the payroll tax, in the foreign countries better than we years and you apply under this Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. can open our doors here for an unlim- AgJOBS, we will grant you a lawful That gets sacrificed to the no-match ited amount of people coming in. When status here in the United States. That Social Security file, of which there are we undermine the integrity of our im- also is amnesty. hundreds of thousands of no-match So- migrations system, when we do so, we The AgJOBS bill that looks like it’s cial Security numbers on record. The take away the options that are con- most likely to emerge in the United deposits that go in on those keep grow- stitutionally bestowed upon this Con- States Senate gives a path to citizen- ing in the Social Security trust fund. gress. The Constitution directs us to ship, provides immediate lawful pres- Now, that’s a whole different speech, set the immigration policy here. ence here in the United States, a path but the sacrifice is made on the part of I recognize that we have a legal and to citizenship, a reward to immigration those illegals who are working on an appropriate right to deal with acts like lawbreakers, a pardon to immigration assumed Social Security number, not the DREAM Act. We ought to shoot it lawbreakers and the reward of the ob- their own, obviously. They sacrifice down. We ought to vote it down. We jective of their crime, which is, we pre- the payroll taxes, Social Security, should defeat it. We should not let it sume, in most cases their objective was Medicare and Medicaid because it’s slide its insidious policy across the to get jobs here in the United States. cheaper to do that and it’s possible to halls here between the Senate and the I would point out that the low-skilled do that. House of Representatives. It should not jobs here in the United States have the Their take-home pay is their gross be passed. highest level of unemployment. It’s not earnings minus the payroll tax, Social In fact, the Senate has three times the other way around. There is no sta- Security, Medicare and Medicaid, 15 here in the 110th Congress, three times tistical data that supports that this percent of that, half of that, and the just this year, voted to defeat the country is starved for low-skilled employer matches the other half, but DREAM Act because they understood workers. no withholding for Federal and for the political repercussions from the When we look at the low-skilled State. American people who understood what workers, the unemployment rates go I get from the parking lot of some amnesty is. This bill grants amnesty. over 10 percent, well over 10 percent. the companies that I represent the This bill says, it says that if you are American citizens are being bumped check stubs from these workers. Amer- here unlawfully, if you are subject to from jobs, those jobs. Low-skilled, icans will pick them up off the parking deportation, but if you apply for this undereducated American citizens who lot where they get torn off and left in

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Check stub after check stub, not have a man who is a very modern per- b 2115 a dollar withheld for Federal income son with the most modern equipment tax, not a dollar withheld for State in- in the upper Midwest who markets his And I hear scare stories coming out come tax. Of course, the payroll tax grain and does his purchases, very, of the Wall Street Journal, out of Wall has been paid. At least the names are very astute, on the Internet, profes- Street, out of, I don’t know how to de- not on those check stubs, and I don’t sional in his field, very well respected, scribe the words here, kind of a nou- recall if there are Social Security num- active in the professions that had to do veau aristocracy in America that bers on them. That’s the kind of thing with the ag industry. But when the ec- seems to think somehow they have a that’s going on all over the country. onomics dictate that you can hire 96 birthright to cheap labor and a birth- The taxes that are paid from sales people with a hoe for $3 to $4 a day and right to somebody to take care of their tax, the contributions that go to prop- it’s cheaper than putting a machine lawn and their garden and their man- erty tax, yes, there is a tax contribu- out in the field where you put a man on sions, and that they will raise their tion, but there is a tax evasion that’s the machine and you buy the fuel and children in a gated community and there, and it’s obvious. To turn in no- provide the repairs and you have to send them off to an Ivy League school, match Social Security numbers and go buy some spray in order to kill the and so they’ll never really be burdened to work under those standards is a weeds in that cotton, when the math by this growth of the lower class that standard practice. The AgJOBS compo- works out that stoop labor is cheaper they are promoting, and they think nent of this is amnesty. It does grant a than mechanized labor, that tells you they have a birthright to that. pardon to immigration lawbreakers, something about what happens when But I would submit this: that’s not and it does reward them with the ob- labor is cheap. It slows the growth of what America is about, Mr. Speaker. jective of their crime, and it rewards our society. It slows the development The strength of America has been an an industry that’s grown more and of our society. It inhibits the develop- ever-broadening middle class, a middle more dependent upon illegal labor. ment of our technology and puts us in class that’s ever been more and more You know, I understand that when a situation where we actually de-adopt prosperous. We don’t want to shrink you have got a crop in the field, you the technology. You park the 16-row this middle class. We don’t want to need to get that crop out. When you planter, that’s only figuratively speak- suppress their growth and their im- plan for this, you have to also plan for ing, and you put the people in the field provement. We want to broaden the the labor. I also recognize that there with the hoe. That’s literally hap- middle class and we want to lift it up. has been a growth in the labor-inten- pening. It’s not just happening there; And by the way, we don’t want to ex- sive agriculture in this country, be- it’s happening on thousands and thou- pand the middle class, Mr. Speaker, cause there has been an easy and a sands of farms in the areas in the world from the ranks of the upper middle steady and a ready supply of cheap, il- where labor is cheap. class. We want to expand the middle legal labor to come in and do that work Our idea here in the United States is class from the ranks of the lower class. in the fields. So it’s inhibited us from we don’t have enough cheap labor. I But for the first time in the memories developing the machinery that we would look back through history and of living Americans today, and maybe might otherwise develop to more me- challenge anywhere over here on the for the first time in the history of this chanically plant the crop and harvest other side of the aisle to rise and ask if country, we are seeing the lower class the crop and maintain that crop during I will yield, I would be happy to yield, expand, the middle class shrink and the the growing season and to transport it. if you can give me an example, if you aspirations of middle-class Americans If the labor is cheap, you are not can give me a single example of a soci- diminish. going to develop those things, you are ety, a culture or a nation that has Now, if we look at young people that not going to do the bioengineering that failed or collapsed due to a lack of grow up in Middle America that decide has been done with the tomato plant cheap labor. I would submit it’s the a college education is not for me, I just that makes it mechanically harvest- other way around. Societies have been want to get my high school degree and able. I can make a more clear example undermined from within because they go to work at the plant, punch the that would be something like this. didn’t have enough higher education or clock and earn a pretty good wage, I have a constituent, whom I have technological background to keep up maybe earn a living wage, and go home great respect for, that is a very modern the paces or keep up with the times. and take care of my family, my kids, agriculture producer. I believe he has If you look at the States that are play ball with the kids, cut the grass, at least a 16-row planter that he puts highly educated and highly skilled. go fishing, take time off on the week- the crop in with in my part of the They have the highest income, the ends and live this life of this American country. I also understand that he has highest average income. They have the Dream, buy a modest house and pay for bought land in Brazil where they raise highest household income. They are it, send the kids to college if they want cotton and soybeans. When I ask what the most prosperous people. And this to go. Does any child that gets that kinds of chemicals he uses to control Nation should be about raising the av- high school degree and doesn’t aspire the weeds in the cotton, he says, ‘‘I erage annual productivity of its people. to a higher education have a hope of don’t use any.’’ I said, ‘‘Well, how can So one might submit, what are we being able to do those things in today’s you raise cotton without herbicide?’’ going to do for the labor, how are we economy, Mr. Speaker? And I’ll argue, Well, he says, ‘‘I have 96 people, each going to harvest, how are we going to it can be done. It’s unlikely that it will with a hoe, that go down through the harvest that lettuce if we don’t have happen, because the wages of the lower rows of cotton that hoe that cotton. enough people who are willing to go skilled and lower educated have been When they get down to the other end, down and pick that lettuce? How are so suppressed by the ranks of illegals they turn around and they come back we going to do the celery? How are we and unskilled lower skilled illegals who to the field in a different row.’’ Ninety- doing to go into the peppers, the straw- have come into this economy. six people paid $3 a day cultivate that berries, the tomatoes? We have that a And I’m hearing from the people on cotton with a hoe. little more mechanized now. How do we Wall Street and in the Wall Street Now, the only thing that has changed do all of that? Journal that this country can’t survive in that technique since the dawn of ag- If everyone woke up tomorrow morn- economically if we don’t have that 12 ricultural time was we have a metal ing in the country where they can le- to 20 million people to do this work hoe instead of perhaps a bone or a gally reside, not ICE doing their job, that ‘‘Americans’’ won’t do. All work wooden hoe. That technology that has but if just miraculously that magic Americans will do, and there’s not a been there has been there for hundreds wand, poof, caused that to happen job in this country you can’t find an

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That’s the standard numbers down. I believe, Mr. Speaker that we low-skilled labor, as we have, we will we’ve been working with. I think it’s would recover in a heartbeat from that see unemployment rates in the lower- more than 20 million, but this propor- kind of a transition. skilled ranks, the lower-skilled jobs go tion works out in any case. And that’s presuming, Mr. Speaker, up, as we have. Unemployment rates of Out of the 6.9 million working that that 2.2 percent of the work force over 10 percent in some of the lowest- illegals, that’s part of, that’s 4.7 per- that’s being done by illegal labor is all skilled jobs. Those rates go up. And cent of a work force that is 142 million. essential work. And if we look across that shouldn’t be a surprise to any of So 4.7 percent of 142 million, and if you at some of that work, some people are us. do the math I think it comes out to 6.9 taking care of lawns. Some garden. But it might be a surprise to some of million. That’s how many working Some are cleaning the houses. There’s the elitists who have a different view of illegals we have. Okay. That represents work out there that we could find a this country than I have. I grew up in 4.7 percent of the work force. But way to recover from. Like somebody Middle America, small town and rural they’re only doing 2.2 percent of the said to me, oh you want to enforce a America, a place where we understand work, Mr. Speaker, because we meas- law, but who is going to flip your the value of hard work, a place where ure the annual output under the gross steak? Who’s going to cut your grass? our parents, our grandparents, our an- domestic product of our workers. Well, Mr. Speaker, I cut my own grass, cestors, if they were here in this coun- And because those who are here un- and I flip most of my own steaks, and try long enough, goes back always to lawfully working in this economy are, if I had to flip every one of my steaks drive a stake out in the ground and on average, lower educated and lower to preserve the rule of law in America, homestead the land and make your liv- skilled, their production, even though I’d be very happy to do that. ing out of that and start your business they’re 4.7 percent of the work force, is That’s really the essential pillar here and grow your community and your only 2.2 percent of the work, Mr. that we’re talking about with the im- family and your churches and work Speaker. And so if you have a work migration issue in the United States, with your neighborhoods and make force that’s doing 2.2 percent of the and that is, what are you willing to do this place a better place than it was work, and let’s just say it’s a factory to preserve the most essential pillar of when you came, and earn that with the that has 1,000 people in it, everybody American exceptionalism, the rule of sweat of your brow, and work hard, but working diligently, and that factory law? Are you willing to cut your own work smart and build for the future does all their work in an 8-hour day, grass? Are you willing to flip your own generations. and you went to work as the CEO at steaks? Are you willing to shorten your That’s the roots that I represent 7:30 in the morning, sat down at your coffee break up for a little while, by 51⁄2 from the middle part of America. We desk, and a memo hit your desk that minutes, morning and afternoon, or 3 respect hard work. We respect honesty. said you’re going to lose 2.2 percent of minutes a shift out of a 3-shift day if We respect integrity. We respect the your work force today, they’re not you’re working 24/7? Are you willing to values of faith and family. And yet we showing up. do those things? Would you notice the are sons and daughters of immigrants. Now, say that’s at 7:30, and yet you difference if you didn’t? Would the non- And, in fact, I remember walking into need to meet your production quota by essential work in the United States a community building in one of the 5:00 that night when everybody clocks shrink if we didn’t have economical il- small towns that I represent, and this out. They clock in at 8. They clock out legal labor to do that work? is a very German community. There at 5. They need to get 1,000 widgets Mr. Speaker, if you bring me 100 peo- were about 400 to 450 people in there for made that day, and you have to figure ple that will work for a dollar an hour, a benefit auction for a friend of mine. out how you’re going to solve that I guarantee you I can figure out a way And I began to ask the question, how problem as a CEO when 2.2 percent of to make a living with that. I can find many people in here grew up in a Ger- your work doesn’t show up. And I’ll a way to put them to work where man-speaking home or else their par- submit, here’s the answer. Any CEO they’re going to return four, five or six ents did? It was almost everyone in can figure this out easily. They’d sit or seven or $8 an hour to me. And so that building, and yet they fly the flag, down and do the math and say, well, the cheaper labor gets, the more de- they are some of the most self-sacri- we’ve got to get our production up. So mand there is. And yet we have people ficing patriots this country has pro- people aren’t going to show up till 8:00, that are considered otherwise to be duced. They understand these Amer- that’s all right. When they get here at wise, economic gurus who seem to, ican values and they understand the 8:00 we’re going to let them know that well, I will say just flat advocate that rule of law. They came here legally. we’re going to cut their coffee break in we should set the immigration flow They have great pride that they have the morning by 51⁄2 minutes. We’re into the United States, legalize all of adapted themselves to the American going to cut their coffee break in the those who would want to come here, le- society and culture and prospered and afternoon by 51⁄2 minutes. That adds up galize every willing traveler, Mr. handed to their children and their to 11 minutes out of the 8-hour day; 11 Speaker, as long as there’s a demand grandchildren the things they dreamed minutes out of an 8-hour day is 2.2 per- for their labor. for their children and grandchildren, cent of the overall day. And I will submit that the more but in a society that was not just in- And so the illegal work force in labor there is, the lower the price will tact with the rule of law with respect America, if you look at the United be. The lower the price there is, the for the rule of law, but one that was ac- States as one huge macrocompany, and more demand there will be. Labor, Mr. tually strengthened by their adherence if that work force just stopped pro- Speaker, is a commodity like any other and respect for the rules and for the ducing for that day, you would be los- commodity in that the value of it is de- law. ing 2.2 percent of that day’s produc- termined by supply and demand in the And here we are, in my opinion, the tion. If we did all of our work in this marketplace. Labor is a commodity. central pillar of American country in an 8-hour day instead of a Corn, beans, gold, oats, crude oil, you exceptionalism is the rule of law. If we 24-hour day, that’s 11 minutes out of 8 name it, Mr. Speaker, you name it, don’t respect the laws of this country, hours. And if it’s a 24-hour day, you’ve they’re all commodities. And the value then what foundation have we? got about a little over 3 minutes out of of those commodities are determined And I will always make the argument each shift is all that it amounts to. by supply and demand in the market- that our rights come from God, and I can’t be convinced, Mr. Speaker, place. Corn’s up, beans are up. Can’t that they’re passed through the hands that this economy would come to a get the cotton out of the field, I heard and the minds of our Founding Fathers

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:20 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00081 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.183 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11930 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 who, I believe, were guided, they were over a million. And 2 million, 3 million, Imagine what 20 million beneficiaries guided by God to put down for us the 5 million, we know how these things of an amnesty would be. A mass lob- parameters of this free Nation to be a go. It always gets out of hand. It’s 11⁄2 bying group for family reunification, guiding light for the freedom for the million under AgJOBS, those who have chain migration. Bring in your unlim- world. And who are we to trail in the been working illegally in our fields. ited number of family members di- dust the golden hopes of men if we But that 11⁄2 million is for starters and rectly in here under that path and then aren’t willing to defend this rule of it goes on and on. And when we get to have them all. Not just those who re- law, this rule of law that preserves our the full amnesty package that the Sen- ceived amnesty but those who were property rights, our freedom of speech, ate three times has voted down now beneficiaries of the chain migration religion, press, assembly, all of the and now wants to give us the compo- from those who received amnesty. freedom from double jeopardy and the nents of their amnesty plan, their com- They turn into the tens of millions and list of all of those rights that were in prehensive amnesty bill, one bitter pill perhaps more, maybe more than 100 the Bill of Rights. Who are we to trail at a time, things that have bad bills million and on up who have little re- that all in the dust because what, be- with good names, slip them to us one spect for the rule of law, who have been cause we have an emotion that over- at a time, put them in a package into rewarded for breaking the law, who comes our intellect, because we’ve sev- the Senate and send them over there in have now come to believe that if a law ered ourselves from the thing that a must-pass bill. Plan that strategy, is inconvenient and enough other peo- we’ve inherited from the Greeks, the and as this amnesty number grows ple don’t respect and honor that law, age of reason. from a million under the DREAM Act, eventually Congress will capitulate and 1 We’ve lost our reason and lost our 1 ⁄2 million under the AgJOBS piece to change the law to accommodate your way if we believe that a good name for the next component and the next com- behavior. a bad bill supersedes the rule of law. ponent and the next component of am- The DREAM Act is a good name. I wish nesty, and we end up granting, as the That is no kind of a Nation to have; I’d thought of that. I’d have stuck it on Senate advocated, a comprehensive not when you have a Nation like this something too, only it would have been amnesty plan to not 6.9 million or 12 Nation, the unchallenged greatest Na- a good bill underneath the title. This is million, but everyone who is here ille- tion in the world. We are beneficiaries not a good bill under the DREAM Act. gally right now. That number some say of the sacrifice and the vision of our This is a bill that directly undermines is 12 million. I think it is more than 20 Founding Fathers, and we are charged the rule of law. It rewards law break- million. We grant amnesty to them, with defending those values and hand- ers, Mr. Speaker, and when we do that, and they will do as those recipients of ing this country over to the next gen- we can’t hope to sustain the rule of law the 1986 amnesty bill did. They will be eration in better condition than when in America any longer. If we have 12 the strongest advocates for another we found it. Not worse. Not digressing million, 20 million people who are amnesty plan. into anarchy where the law is granted amnesty, maybe under the And if you will notice, no one here in disrespected and where it has no value DREAM Act it’s only a million for the House of Representatives, Mr. and no teeth. Not turning us into a starters. That will grow, and the chain Speaker, and no one over across the class envy society. Not turning us into migration will grow from that, and Rotunda to the United States Senate a society where we are pitted against your one million could conceivably and has said, well, this comprehensive am- each other, a society of victimology. I don’t think literally it could happen nesty plan is an amnesty to end all am- Not that. Not a society where we point but it could conceivably go out to more nesties. They haven’t said that. First, our finger at people and call them than 200 million. they are still in denial about it being names rather than make an empirical That’s how the stats map it out. And amnesty, and yet not one of them will argument. We need to be rational we know that’s pretty unlikely that it define amnesty unless they have found human beings. We’re the beneficiaries would go that far. But if it’s one mil- a way to define it around where their of the Age of Reason in Greece where lion people going to 2 million or 3 mil- bill is exempted, but it isn’t an objec- they actually built a culture around lion under the DREAM Act and we tive definition. They won’t stand up the idea that they could think ration- grant amnesty there, and then we have and tell you to grant amnesty is to ally and connect their thoughts in a ra- the AgJOBS component of this that pardon immigration lawbreakers and tional fashion and defend the conclu- grants amnesty to people who are here reward them with the objective of their sions that they had drawn by the se- illegally, working illegally for about crimes. But those 12 or 20 million quence of the deductive reasoning that 1.5 million for starters, and then, we would be advocating the same way that got them there. That is a foundation work with this myopic idea that if the 1 million who were to be the recipi- for our science, the theorem, the there’s a demand, that must indicate ents of the amnesty to end all amnes- hypotheses, a number of other ap- how many we need, even though the ties in 1986 that turned out to be more proaches to Western thought that was more cheap labor you have, the more like 3 million who were the recipients founded in the Greek society 2 and 3,000 demand there will be for more cheap of the 1986 amnesty. They were advo- years ago that found its way across and cheaper labor. And it makes a sim- cates of more amnesty. They say, well, through Europe and had a pretty good ple economic equation. The unions that’s been good for me and it’s been stay in France during the Age of En- used to understand this, Mr. Speaker. good for my family, so we need more of lightenment. And as the Western civili- They used to understand that they that. And all of them who advocate for zation, the core of it, the dynamic wanted a tight labor supply. And so I’ll more amnesty are undermining the moving force rolled out from France in go back to that. rule of law. the Age of Enlightenment over into the But the DREAM Act is a bad bill that And they are a smaller number by United States and arrived here at a grants amnesty for a million or more comparison. It started out by being 1 time when we had a continent that was people that would do the chain migra- million. It turned out to be 3 million or just begging to be settled, full of nat- tion for their families, attract more, more. The 2 million difference was ural resources, and a free enterprise and more would be signed up. mostly fraud, counterfeit documents, economy with property rights and low people that came in here and took ad- and sometimes no taxation and low and b 2130 vantage of the sympathetic nature of often no regulation, and we had a peo- By the way, there is no cap on this. the American people. And so with 3 ple that set about the manifest destiny There is no deadline. The way this bill million advocates for amnesty, 2 mil- to settle this continent from the Atlan- is written, applications for in-State lion of them beneficiaries of fraud, and tic to the Pacific ocean and did so in tuition discounts, special super citizen- 1 million were actually the target of record time, in an historical blink of ship rights for illegal aliens goes on the 1986 amnesty bill that Ronald an eye. We were able to do many of and on. It never ends. It isn’t that just Reagan at least had enough integrity those things because we had also the people that are here right now to declare it to be the amnesty bill to learned the talents and the skills and today, but it’s the people that would end all amnesties, they have been advo- had built within our culture that abil- forever apply. So the number clearly is cates for more amnesty. ity to deductively reason.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:31 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00082 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.184 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE October 23, 2007 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H11931 And today we have people who ber of other schools within those two this amnesty. We need to preserve the emote, people who feel. We have col- States and eight other States that are central pillar of American lege professors who teach their stu- defying Federal law. And we are still exceptionalism, the rule of law. dents never say anything except ‘‘I taking this through the courts. And f feel’’ or you can say ‘‘I believe,’’ but if the DREAM Act, Mr. Speaker, invali- you say ‘‘I think this,’’ your thoughts dates all lawsuits that have been LEAVE OF ABSENCE can be challenged, but your feelings brought forward to enforce the Federal By unanimous consent, leave of ab- cannot. So I feel, and then someone law which establishes the requirement sence was granted to: will tell you I feel we should pass the that these States grant the same tui- Mr. REYES (at the request of Mr. DREAM Act. I feel we should pass tion discount to residents of other HOYER) for today and October 22 on ac- AgJOBS because I feel for the bene- States that they might to illegal aliens count of a death in the family. ficiaries of this program. And, by the in the desks in their own schools in Mr. POE (at the request of Mr. way, I feel that we need more cheap their own States. BOEHNER) for today until 2 p.m. on ac- labor in this country, and I feel that AgJOBS, another amnesty plan. count of official business. food would be more expensive, and I AgJOBS says if you worked in this Mr. YOUNG of Florida (at the request feel that there is work Americans country and worked in agriculture, of Mr. BOEHNER) for today until 4 p.m. won’t do, and I feel we ought to bring worked for the preponderance of, and on account of family illness. people in here or those who came here that is my word, not the bill’s word, 5 f in here and legalize them because they years, we are going to grant you provi- SPECIAL ORDERS GRANTED will do the work that Americans won’t sional legal status here in the United do. So in the end, even though there States. Legal status under the DREAM By unanimous consent, permission to isn’t any data out here that supports Act, legal status under the AgJOBS address the House, following the legis- my irrational feelings, I just feel this, act. You add them up, and by their lative program and any special orders and therefore you ought to follow my numbers, that’s 21⁄2 million who get heretofore entered, was granted to: feelings. amnesty. They won’t call it amnesty, (The following Members (at the re- How can a Nation, Mr. Speaker, how obviously, Mr. Speaker. But we know quest of Mr. SARBANES) to revise and can a Nation meet the challenges of those numbers would be significantly extend their remarks and include ex- this global, modern 21st Century if we larger. traneous material:) are going to be guided by these feelings And then when one grants the special Mr. CUMMINGS, for 5 minutes, today. that trump rational thought and em- status, the special conditional legal Ms. KILPATRICK, for 5 minutes, today. pirical data? residence in the United States to these Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, for 5 min- I will submit, Mr. Speaker, that one people, what’s the argument to deny it utes, today. of the foundations, one of the pillars of to anyone else? What’s the argument Ms. NORTON, for 5 minutes, today. American exceptionalism, the central to deny a reward of the objective of Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi, for 5 pillar is the rule of law, but one of the their crimes to all who have broken minutes, today. pillars is this culture, this unique immigration laws except perhaps those Mr. AL GREEN of Texas, for 5 min- American culture was the recipient of who are convicted felons and those who utes, today. the work of the Age of Reason from the have conducted themselves in other- Ms. WATERS, for 5 minutes, today. Greeks and a recipient of the enlight- wise abhorrent fashion? Ms. WOOLSEY, for 5 minutes, today. enment from Western Europe and pri- This is irrational, Mr. Speaker. The Mr. HINCHEY, for 5 minutes, today. marily from France that came here at American people often don’t under- Mr. BLUMENAUER, for 5 minutes, the dawn of the Industrial Revolution stand what this legislation is. That’s today. with all the natural resources. And we why there is such a concerted effort to Mr. DEFAZIO, for 5 minutes, today. grew this Nation, yes, on a Christian- strategize on how we name a bill here Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, for 5 Judeo foundation, a work ethic, called in this Congress, how this bill is minutes, today. a Protestant work ethic until they named, because that is all that people Mr. WEINER, for 5 minutes, today. found out that Catholics did pretty hear is the name of the bill. They don’t Mr. SARBANES, for 5 minutes, today. well with that work ethic too. We un- get to read it. Most Members don’t Mrs. MALONEY of New York, for 5 derstand some of the things that made read the legislation that comes minutes, today. (The following Members (at the re- this a great Nation. But letting our through this place. But the public quest of Mr. WALDEN of Oregon) to re- feelings rule our thoughts is not one of doesn’t read the bill, and if they did, vise and extend their remarks and in- those pillars of American they don’t really have the opportunity clude extraneous material:) exceptionalism. That is an example of to examine the components of it. So to Mr. FLAKE, for 5 minutes, today. American intellectual weakness, that critique the legislation, they have to Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, for 5 minutes, we can’t confront these issues with our rely on somebody else. So the practice today. minds, with our reason, with our data, is give it a nice sounding name, and Mr. POE, for 5 minutes, October 30. because with that data we can see then when I do my press conferences Mr. DAVIS of Kentucky, for 5 min- where this can take us. and talk to the press, they will ask me, utes, October 25. The DREAM Act, the act that grants Here’s a list of one, two, three, four, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, for 5 in-State tuition discount to people who five really nice sounding pieces of leg- minutes, October 30. are eligible for deportation. Now, I just islation. You voted against all five of Mr. BILIRAKIS, for 5 minutes, October cannot rationally get to a conclusion them, Mr. KING. Why did you do that? 24. that that is the best way that we can And my answer is it is a nice sounding spend taxpayers’ money or send a mes- title, but it is a horrible bill. And you f sage to the broader society. I believe will see that happen often, especially BILL PRESENTED TO THE we need to adhere to the rule of law. I since the gavels have changed hands in PRESIDENT believe we need to stand on the rule of here in the 110th Congress, Mr. Speak- Lorraine C. Miller, Clerk of the law, and we need to enforce the rule of er. House reports that on October 23, 2007, law. And it needs to be respected by So I reiterate to you and to the peo- she presented to the President of the the States, the States like California ple that are overhearing this conversa- United States, for his approval, the fol- and Kansas and about eight others who tion that we must draw the line. We lowing bill. have decided to defy the Federal law need to pick up the phones and call the H.R. 1495. Water Resources Development and grant in-State tuition discounts to United States Senate again. We need to Act of 2007. illegals within their State institutions shut down their telephones in the f but charge out-of-State tuition pre- switchboards in the United States Sen- miums to the residents of other States ate and tell them we don’t want a ADJOURNMENT who might want to go to UC Berkeley DREAM Act. We need that killed in the Mr. KING of Iowa. Mr. Speaker, I or the University of Kansas or a num- United States Senate. We need to cease move that the House do now adjourn.

VerDate Aug 31 2005 03:27 Oct 24, 2007 Jkt 069060 PO 00000 Frm 00083 Fmt 7634 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\K23OC7.185 H23OCPT1 ccoleman on PROD1PC71 with HOUSE H11932 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE October 23, 2007 The motion was agreed to; accord- garding the proposed license for the manu- to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on ingly (at 9 o’clock and 43 minutes facture of defense equipment to the Govern- Natural Resources. p.m.), the House adjourned until to- ment of Australia (Transmittal No. DDTC 3843. A letter from the Director, Office of 050-07); to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. Surface Mining, Department of the Interior, morrow, Wednesday, October 24, 2007, 3832. A letter from the Secretary, Depart- transmitting the Department’s final rule — at 10 a.m. ment of Transportation, transmitting the Indiana Regulatory Program [Docket No. IN- f Semiannual Report of the Office of Inspector 156-FOR, Administrative Cause No. 06-046R] General for the period ending March 31, 2007, received October 15, 2007, pursuant to 5 EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. app. (Insp. Gen. Act) U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- ETC. section 5(b); to the Committee on Oversight ural Resources. Under clause 8 of rule XII, executive and Government Reform. 3844. A letter from the Director, Office of communications were taken from the 3833. A letter from the White House Liai- Surface Mining, Department of the Interior, Speaker’s table and referred as follows: son, Department of Justice, transmitting a transmitting the Department’s final rule — report pursuant to the Federal Vacancies Re- Kentucky Regulatory Program [KY-251-FOR] 3823. A letter from the Deputy Under Sec- form Act of 1998; to the Committee on Over- received October 17, 2007, pursuant to 5 retary for Logistics and Material Readiness, sight and Government Reform. U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- Department of Defense, transmitting a re- 3834. A letter from the Assistant Secretary ural Resources. port on the Deprtment’s Program for Plan- for Administration and Management, De- 3845. A letter from the Acting Director Of- ning, Managing, and Accounting for Civilian partment of Labor, transmitting a report fice of Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, Na- Contractor Services and Contractor Per- pursuant to the Federal Vacancies Reform tional Oceanic and Atmospheric Administra- sonnel during Contingency Operations, pur- Act of 1998; to the Committee on Oversight tion, transmitting the Administration’s final suant to Public Law 109-364, section 815; to and Government Reform. rule — Fisheries of the Northeastern United the Committee on Armed Services. 3835. A letter from the Assisant Secretary States; Summer Flounder Fishery; Commer- 3824. A letter from the Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management, De- cial Quota Harvested for Massachusetts for Reserve Affairs, Department of Defense, partment of Labor, transmitting a report [Docket No. 061020273-7001-03] (RIN: 0648- transmitting an interim report on the activi- pursuant to the Federal Vacancies Reform XC05) received September 10, 2007, pursuant ties of a working group tasked with identi- Act of 1998; to the Committee on Oversight to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on fying the needs of National Guard and Re- and Government Reform. Natural Resources. serve Members Returning From Deployment 3836. A letter from the Archivist of the 3846. A letter from the Director Office of In Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation En- United States, National Archives and Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- during Freedom, pursuant to Public Law 109- Records Administration, transmitting the anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- 364, section 676; to the Committee on Armed Administration’s third quarter committee mitting the Administration’s final rule — Services. report for Fiscal Year 2007, including a sum- Fisheries of the Northeastern United States; 3825. A letter from the Secretary, Depart- mary income and expense statement to cover Scup Fishery; Commercial Quota Harvested ment of the Treasury, transmitting a six the period October 1, 2006 through June 30, for 2007 Summer Period [Docket No. month periodic report on the national emer- 2007, pursuant to Public Law 106-58; to the 061020273-6321-02] (RIN: 0648-XC70) received gency with respect to the Democratic Repub- Committee on Oversight and Government October 10, 2007, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. lic of the Congo that was declared in Execu- Reform. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Natural tive Order 13413 of October 27, 2006, pursuant 3837. A letter from the Senior Associate Resources. to 50 U.S.C. 1641(c); to the Committee on General Counsel, Office of the Director of 3847. A letter from the Director Office of Foreign Affairs. National Intelligence, transmitting a report Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- 3826. A letter from the Assistant Secretary pursuant to the Federal Vacancies Reform anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, Act of 1998; to the Committee on Oversight mitting the Administration’s final rule — transmitting pursuant to Section 42(b) of the and Government Reform. Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Zone Arms Export Control Act, notification that 3838. A letter from the Administrator, Off Alaska; Pollock in Statistical Area 620 in the Government of Egypt has requested that Small Business Administration, transmit- the Gulf of Alaska [Docket No. 070213032-7032- the United States Government permit the ting the Administration’s strategic plan for 01] (RIN: 0648-XC90) received October 16, 2007, use of Foreign Military Financing for the fiscal years 2008 through 2013 in compliance pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- sale and limited coproduction of 125 M1A1 with the Government Performance and Re- mittee on Natural Resources. Abrams Tank kits; to the Committee on For- sults Act of 1993 (GPRA); to the Committee 3848. A letter from the Acting Director Of- eign Affairs. on Oversight and Government Reform. fice of Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, Na- 3827. A letter from the Assistant Secretary 3839. A letter from the Chief Administra- tional Oceanic and Atmospheric Administra- for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, tive Officer, transmitting the quarterly re- tion, transmitting the Administration’s final transmitting pursuant to section 3(d) of the port of receipts and expenditures of appro- rule — Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Arms Export Control Act, certification re- priations and other funds for the period July Zone Off Alaska; Pollock in Statistical Area garding the proposed transfer of major de- 1, 2007 through September 30, 2007 as com- 630 in the Gulf of Alaska [Docket No. fense equipment from the Government of piled by the Chief Administrative Officer, 070213032-7032-01] (RIN: 0648-XC91) received Thailand (Transmittal No. RSAT-03-07); to pursuant to 2 U.S.C. 104a Public Law 88-454; October 16, 2007, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. the Committee on Foreign Affairs. (H. Doc. No. 110-67); to the Committee on 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Natural 3828. A letter from the Assistant Secretary House Administration and ordered to be Resources. for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, printed. 3849. A letter from the Director Office of transmitting pursuant to section 36(c) of the 3840. A letter from the Acting Assistant Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- Arms Export Control Act, certification of a Secretary for Fish, Wildlife and Parks, De- anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- proposed license for the export of defense ar- partment of the Interior, transmitting the mitting the Administration’s final rule — ticles and services to the Republic of Korea Department’s final rule — Endangered and Fisheries of the Economic Exclusive Zone (Transmittal No. DDTC 087-07); to the Com- Threatened Wildlife and Plants; Designation Off Alaska; Shallow-Water Species Fishery mittee on Foreign Affairs. of Critical Habitat for Ceanothus ophiochilus by Vessels Using Trawl Gear in the Gulf of 3829. A letter from the Assistant Secretary (Vail Lake ceanothus) and Fremontodendron Alaska [Docket No. 070213032-7032-01] (RIN: for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, mexicanum (Mexican flannelbush) (RIN: 0648-XC88) received October 16, 2007, pursuant transmitting pursuant to section 36(c) of the 1018-AU77) received September 27, 2007, pur- to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Arms Export Control Act, certification of a suant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- Natural Resources. proposed license for the export of defense ar- mittee on Natural Resources. 3850. A letter from the Director Office of ticles and services to the Governments of 3841. A letter from the Acting Assistant Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- Denmark, the Netherlands, and Belgium Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks, anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- (Transmittal No. DDTC 052-07); to the Com- Department of the Interior, transmitting the mitting the Administration’s final rule — mittee on Foreign Affairs. Department’s final rule — Migratory Bird Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Zone 3830. A letter from the Assistant Secretary Hunting; Final Frameworks for Late-Season Off Alaska; Pollock in Statistical Area 630 of for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, Migratory Bird Hunting Regulations (RIN: the Gulf of Alaska [Docket No. 070213032-7032- transmitting pursuant to section 36(c) of the 1018-AV12) received September 27, 2007, pur- 01] (RIN: 0648-XC89) received October 16, 2007, Arms Export Control Act, certification of a suant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- proposed license for the export of defense ar- mittee on Natural Resources. mittee on Natural Resources. ticles and services to the Government of 3842. A letter from the Assistant Secretary 3851. A letter from the Director Office of Japan (Transmittal No. DDTC 080-07); to the for Fish and Wlidlife and Parks, Department Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- Committee on Foreign Affairs. of the Interior, transmitting the Depart- anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- 3831. A letter from the Assistant Secretary ment’s final rule — Migratory Bird Hunting; mitting the Administration’s final rule — for Legislative Affairs, Department of State, Late Seasons and Bag and Possession Limits Fisheries of the Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, transmitting pursuant to section 36(d) of the for Certain Migratory Game Birds (RIN: 1018- and South Atlantic; Snapper-Grouper Fish- Arms Export Control Act, certification re- AV12) received September 27, 2007, pursuant ery of the South Atlantic Region; Closure

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A letter from the Director Office of (RIN: 0648-XC55) received October 1, 2007, for a period to be subsequently determined Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- by the Speaker, in each case for consider- anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- mittee on Natural Resources. ation of such provisions as fall within the ju- mitting the Administration’s final rule — 3860. A letter from the Corporation Agent, risdiction of the committee concerned. Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Zone Legion of Valor of the United States of By Ms. CLARKE: Off Alaska; Atka Mackerel With Gears Other America, Inc., transmitting a copy of the Le- H.R. 3933. A bill to amend the Internal Rev- than Jig in the Eastern Aleutian District gion’s annual audit as of April 30, 2007, pur- enue Code of 1986 to permanently extend the and the Bering Sea Subarea in the Bering suant to 36 U.S.C. 1101(28) and 1103; to the election to include combat pay as earned in- Sea and Aleutian Islands Management Area Committee on the Judiciary. come for purposes of the earned income tax [Docket No. 070213033-7033-01] (RIN: 0648- credit and penalty-free distributions from re- XC56) received October 1, 2007, pursuant to 5 f tirement plans to individuals called to active U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS duty, and for other purposes; to the Com- ural Resources. mittee on Ways and Means. 3853. A letter from the Acting Director Of- Under clause 2 of rule XII, public By Mr. CROWLEY (for himself, Mr. fice of Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, Na- bills and resolutions were introduced BRADY of Texas, Ms. BEAN, Mrs. tional Oceanic and Atmospheric Administra- and severally referred, as follows: BIGGERT, Ms. BERKLEY, Mr. BOOZMAN, tion, transmitting the Administration’s final By Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CARTER, Mr. rule — Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic (for himself, Mr. MCKEON, Mr. BOREN, Mr. CONAWAY, Mrs. BOYDA of Zone Off Alaska; Northern Rockfish for HINOJOSA, and Mr. KELLER): Kansas, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsyl- Catcher Processors Participating in the ˜ H.R. 3927. A bill to temporarily extend the vania, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. FORTUNO, Rockfish Limited Access Fishery in the Cen- programs under the Higher Education Act of Mr. CLAY, Mr. GARRETT of New Jer- tral Regulatory Area of the Gulf of Alaska 1965, and for other purposes; to the Com- sey, Mr. CUELLAR, Mr. SAM JOHNSON [Docket No. 070213032-7032-01] (RIN: 0648- mittee on Education and Labor. considered of Texas, Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, XC47) received October 1, 2007, pursuant to 5 and passed. Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- By Mr. MURPHY of Connecticut (for LEWIS of Kentucky, Ms. HOOLEY, Mr. ural Resources. himself, Mr. WELCH of Vermont, Mr. MCCAUL of Texas, Mr. MATHESON, 3854. A letter from the Director Office of WAXMAN, Mr. LYNCH, Mr. Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- MCDERMOTT, Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, Mr. WELLER, Mr. MEEKS of New York, Mr. anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- HODES, Mr. HALL of New York, and GALLEGLY, Mr. RODRIGUEZ, Mr. mitting the Administration’s final rule — Mr. OLVER): TIAHRT, Mr. TOWNS, Mr. MORAN of Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Zone H.R. 3928. A bill to require certain large Kansas, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. Off Alaska; Pollock in Statistical Area 630 of government contractors that receive more ROSKAM, Mr. MOORE of Kansas, and the Gulf of Alaska [Docket No. 070213032-7032- than 80 percent of their annual gross revenue Mr. BUTTERFIELD): 01] (RIN: 0648-XC22) received October 1, 2007, H.R. 3934. A bill to amend the Harmonized from Federal contracts to disclose the names pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- Tariff Schedule of the United States to mod- and salaries of their most highly com- mittee on Natural Resources. ify the tariffs on certain footwear; to the pensated officers, and for other purposes; to 3855. A letter from the Deputy Assistant Committee on Ways and Means. the Committee on Oversight and Govern- Administrator for Operations, NMFS, Na- By Mr. DAVIS of Illinois: ment Reform. tional Oceanic and Atmospheric Administra- H.R. 3935. A bill to extend the time limit of By Mr. MCGOVERN (for himself, Mr. tion, transmitting the Administration’s final the authority of the Frederick Douglass Gar- DELAHUNT, Mr. FILNER, Mr. rule — Pacific Coast Groundfish Fishery dens, Inc., to establish a memorial and gar- GRIJALVA, Mr. GENE GREEN of Texas, [Docket No. 070323069-7117-02; I.D. 031907A] dens on Department of the Interior lands in Mr. GONZALEZ, Mr. HASTINGS of Flor- (RIN: 0648-AV46) received October 1, 2007, the District of Columbia or its environs in ida, Mr. HINCHEY, Ms. ZOE LOFGREN of pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- honor and commemoration of Frederick California, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. SHAYS, mittee on Natural Resources. Douglass, and for other purposes; to the Mr. WOLF, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. SCHIFF, 3856. A letter from the Deputy Assistant Committee on Natural Resources. Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. SERRANO, Mr. Administrator for Operations, NMFS, Na- By Mr. DEAL of Georgia: tional Oceanic and Atmospheric Administra- FRANK of Massachusetts, Mr. ROTH- H.R. 3936. A bill to designate the facility of tion, transmitting the Administration’s final MAN, and Mr. CAPUANO): the United States Postal Service located at rule — Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic H.R. 3929. A bill to amend titles 23 and 49, 116 Helen Highway in Cleveland, Georgia, as Zone Off Alaska; Allocating Bering Sea/Aleu- United States Code, concerning length and the ‘‘Sgt. Jason Harkins Post Office Build- tian Islands Fishery Resources; American weight limitations for vehicles operating on ing’’; to the Committee on Oversight and Fisheries Act Sideboards [Docket No. Federal-aid highways, and for other pur- Government Reform. 0612242886-7464-03; I.D. 041307D] (RIN: 0648- poses; to the Committee on Transportation By Ms. DELAURO: AU68) received October 1, 2007, pursuant to 5 and Infrastructure. H.R. 3937. A bill to amend the Federal U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- By Mr. PEARCE: Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to ensure the ural Resources. H.R. 3930. A bill to provide for a land ex- safety of imported food; to the Committee on 3857. A letter from the Deputy Assistant change involving State land and Bureau of Energy and Commerce. Administrator for Regulatory Programs, Land Management land in Chavez and Dona By Mr. DINGELL: NMFS, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Ana Counties, New Mexico, and to establish H.R. 3938. A bill to repeal the Authoriza- Administration, transmitting the Adminis- the Lesser Prairie Chicken National Habitat tion for Use of Military Force Against Iraq tration’s final rule — Fisheries of the Exclu- Preservation Area, and for other purposes; to Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243) and to sive Economic Zone Off Alaska; Pacific Cod the Committee on Natural Resources. require the withdrawal of the United States Allocations in the Bering Sea and Aleutian By Mr. BAKER (for himself, Mr. Armed Forces in Iraq; to the Committee on Islands Management Area [Docket No. HENSARLING, and Mr. ROYCE): Foreign Affairs, and in addition to the Com- 0612242903-7445-03; I.D. 112006I] (RIN: 0648- H.R. 3931. A bill to protect investors by fos- mittee on Armed Services, for a period to be AU48) received October 1, 2007, pursuant to 5 tering transparency and accountability of subsequently determined by the Speaker, in U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Committee on Nat- attorneys in private securities litigation; to each case for consideration of such provi- ural Resources. the Committee on Financial Services, and in sions as fall within the jurisdiction of the 3858. A letter from the Director Office of addition to the Committee on the Judiciary, committee concerned. Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- for a period to be subsequently determined By Mr. DOOLITTLE (for himself and anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- by the Speaker, in each case for consider- Mr. SALAZAR): mitting the Administration’s final rule — ation of such provisions as fall within the ju- H.R. 3939. A bill to increase the safety for Fisheries of the Exclusive Economic Zone risdiction of the committee concerned. crew and passengers on an aircraft providing Off Alaska; Reallocation of Pacific Cod in By Mr. BERRY (for himself, Mr. HIN- emergency medical services; to the Com- the Bering Sea and Aleutian Islands Manage- CHEY, Mr. FARR, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. mittee on Transportation and Infrastruc- ment Area [Docket No. 070213033-7033-01] WEXLER, Ms. LINDA T. SA´ NCHEZ of ture. (RIN: 0648-XC55) received October 1, 2007, California, Mr. KANJORSKI, Mr. By Mr. ELLISON (for himself, Ms. pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 801(a)(1)(A); to the Com- MCNULTY, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BISHOP MCCOLLUM of Minnesota, Mr. OBER- mittee on Natural Resources. of New York, Mr. NADLER, Mr. MAR- STAR, Mr. WALZ of Minnesota, and 3859. A letter from the Director Office of SHALL, Mr. SERRANO, Mr. HALL of Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota): Sustainable Fisheries, NMFS, National Oce- New York, and Ms. SCHAKOWSKY): H.R. 3940. A bill to amend the Deficit Re- anic and Atmospheric Administration, trans- H.R. 3932. A bill to amend title XVIII of the duction Act of 2005; to the Committee on En- mitting the Administration’s final rule — Social Security Act to deliver a meaningful ergy and Commerce.

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By Mr. FLAKE (for himself, Mr. WAMP, H.R. 3948. A bill to amend the Internal Rev- H.R. 897: Mr. LANTOS, Mr. BISHOP of New Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. enue Code of 1986 to establish a temporary York, Ms. MATSUI, and Mr. VAN HOLLEN. KLINE of Minnesota, Mr. WALBERG, surtax to offset the current costs of the Iraq H.R. 926: Mr. KLINE of Minnesota. Mr. HENSARLING, Mr. FRANKS of Ari- war; to the Committee on Ways and Means. H.R. 953: Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania. zona, and Mr. TOWNS): By Mr. STUPAK: H.R. 1014: Mr. FORTUN˜ O and Mr. SERRANO. H.R. 3941. A bill to amend title 23, United H.R. 3949. A bill to amend the Internal Rev- H.R. 1074: Mr. ALLEN. States Code, to authorize a State that has a enue Code of 1986 to allow distilled spirits to H.R. 1078: Mr. FATTAH, Mrs. DAVIS of Cali- structurally deficient bridge within its be produced in dwelling houses, other con- fornia, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, and boundaries to obligate funds made available nected structures, and certain other prem- Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania. to carry out a high priority project for any ises; to the Committee on Ways and Means. H.R. 1092: Mr. CUMMINGS and Mr. HONDA. project or activity eligible for assistance By Mr. TANCREDO: H.R. 1188: Ms. SUTTON. under title 23, United States Code; to the H.R. 3950. A bill to approve a final rule of H.R. 1198: Mrs. MALONEY of New York. Committee on Transportation and Infra- the Department of Homeland Security relat- H.R. 1216: Ms. BALDWIN. structure. ing to employers who receive a ‘‘no-match’’ H.R. 1279: Mr. MANZULLO, Mr. WEXLER, Ms. By Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts: letter from the Commissioner of Social Secu- LINDA T. SA´ NCHEZ of California, Mr. WYNN, H.R. 3942. A bill to amend title XVIII of the rity; to the Committee on the Judiciary, and Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. COURTNEY, Mr. HASTINGS Social Security Act to permit the disabled in addition to the Committee on Education of Florida, and Mr. WILSON of South Carolina surviving spouse of an individual to elect to and Labor, for a period to be subsequently H.R. 1283: Mr. GONZALEZ and Mr. MILLER of retain private health insurance as the pri- determined by the Speaker, in each case for North Carolina. mary payor of health insurance benefits consideration of such provisions as fall with- H.R. 1295: Mr. BOOZMAN. under the Medicare Program; to the Com- in the jurisdiction of the committee con- H.R. 1320: Mr. WALSH of New York. mittee on Energy and Commerce, and in ad- cerned. H.R. 1352: Mr. TOWNS, Ms. HIRONO, and Mr. dition to the Committee on Ways and Means, By Mr. WICKER (for himself and Mr. SHAYS. for a period to be subsequently determined TIM MURPHY of Pennsylvania): H.R. 1353: Mrs. BOYDA of Kansas. by the Speaker, in each case for consider- H. Res. 766. A resolution supporting the H.R. 1363: Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, ation of such provisions as fall within the ju- goals and ideals of National Infection Pre- Ms. CASTOR, Mr. LYNCH, and Mr. WELCH of risdiction of the committee concerned. vention Week; to the Committee on Energy Vermont. By Mr. HERGER (for himself, Mr. and Commerce. H.R. 1386: Ms. HARMAN, Mr. FILNER, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. WELLER, Mr. By Mr. BOEHNER: ALLEN, Mr. SALAZAR, and Mr. CASTLE. RAMSTAD, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. H. Res. 767. A resolution raising a question H.R. 1422: Mr. WALZ of Minnesota and Mr. TIBERI, Mr. NUNES, and Mr. SAM of the privileges of the House. FRANK of Massachusetts. JOHNSON of Texas): By Ms. SHEA-PORTER: H.R. 1428: Mr. WALDEN of Oregon. H.R. 3943. A bill to amend the Trade Act of H. Res. 768. A resolution honoring the life H.R. 1497: Mr. VAN HOLLEN and Ms. MATSUI. 1974 to reauthorize the trade adjustment as- of Thomas ‘‘Tommy’’ Makem; to the Com- H.R. 1570: Mr. LATHAM. sistance for workers program, and for other mittee on Education and Labor. H.R. 1576: Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, Mr. GEORGE purposes; to the Committee on Ways and By Ms. FOXX (for herself, Mr. KUHL of MILLER of California, Mr. LATHAM, and Mr. Means. New York, Mr. WHITFIELD, Mr. MCINTYRE. By Mr. HONDA (for himself, Mr. DENT, GUTIERREZ, and Mr. COHEN): H.R. 1609: Mr. ROSS, Mr. DENT, Ms. LEE, Mr. SCHIFF, Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. H. Res. 769. A resolution congratulating and Mr. WELLER. TOWNS, and Mr. GERLACH): the government and people of Turkey as H.R. 1621: Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania. H.R. 3944. A bill to amend the Public they celebrate Republic Day, and for other H.R. 1746: Mr. SHERMAN. Health Service Act to direct the Secretary of purposes; to the Committee on Foreign Af- H.R. 1772: Mr. CLAY. Health and Human Services to establish, pro- fairs. H.R. 1820: Mr. PASTOR and Mr. SHAYS. mote, and support a comprehensive preven- By Mr. PORTER (for himself, Mr. H.R. 1834: Mr. ROTHMAN. tion, education, research, and medical man- BOEHNER, Mr. HOYER, Mr. KIND, Ms. H.R. 1843: Mr. SESTAK and Mr. SIMPSON. agement program that will lead to a marked WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, and Mr. WAMP): H.R. 1971: Ms. SOLIS. reduction in liver cirrhosis and a reduction H. Res. 770. A resolution expressing support H.R. 2021: Mrs. CHRISTENSEN, Mr. BRADY of in the cases of, and improved survival of, for designation of a National Veterans His- Pennsylvania, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mrs. MCCARTHY liver cancer caused by chronic hepatitis B in- tory Project Week to encourage public par- of New York, Mr. SIRES, and Mr. CARNEY. fection; to the Committee on Energy and ticipation in a nationwide project that col- H.R. 2045: Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. BRALEY of Commerce. lects and preserves the stories of the men Iowa, and Mr. TOWNS. By Mr. ISRAEL: and women who served our nation in times of H.R. 2049: Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York and H.R. 3945. A bill to provide for the estab- war and conflict; to the Committee on Vet- Ms. CLARKE. lishment by the Secretary of Energy of a erans’ Affairs. H.R. 2066: Mr. SERRANO. program of Federal support for local govern- By Mr. SENSENBRENNER: H.R. 2165: Ms. BALDWIN. ments and school districts to implement H. Res. 771. A resolution supporting the H.R. 2188: Mr. COOPER. clean energy projects; to the Committee on goals and ideals of Down Syndrome Aware- H.R. 2233: Mrs. CHRISTENSEN, Mr. ABER- Education and Labor. ness Month; to the Committee on Energy CROMBIE, and Mr. FILNER. By Mr. JEFFERSON (for himself, Mr. and Commerce. H.R. 2236: Mr. SNYDER. MELANCON, Mr. SCOTT of Virginia, H.R. 2343: Mr. COOPER. Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. PAYNE, and f H.R. 2365: Mr. HOBSON. Ms. CLARKE): ADDITIONAL SPONSORS H.R. 2406: Ms. WOOLSEY, Ms. GIFFORDS, Mr. H.R. 3946. A bill to provide for a temporary MILLER of North Carolina, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. waiver under part B of title III of the Higher Under clause 7 of rule XII, sponsors LAMPSON, Mr. BAIRD, Mr. ROSS, Mr. KAN- Education Act of 1965 for undergraduate his- were added to public bills and resolu- JORSKI, and Mr. MELANCON. torically black colleges and universities lo- tions as follows: H.R. 2417: Mr. SESTAK. cated in an area affected by a Gulf hurricane H.R. 25: Mr. ALEXANDER. H.R. 2464: Mr. TOWNS, Mr. BARROW, Mr. disaster; to the Committee on Education and H.R. 71: Mr. KLINE of Minnesota. DAVID DAVIS of Tennessee, and Ms. CASTOR. Labor. H.R. 82: Mrs. MYRICK. H.R. 2514: Mr. MILLER of North Carolina By Mr. LARSON of Connecticut (for H.R. 92: Mr. MARSHALL. and Ms. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. himself, Mr. CAMP of Michigan, Mrs. H.R. 138: Mr. TERRY. H.R. 2567: Mr. SARBANES. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. BURTON H.R. 275: Mr. WU and Mr. BURTON of Indi- H.R. 2580: Mr. COLE of Oklahoma. of Indiana, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsyl- ana. H.R. 2606: Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. vania, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. H.R. 460: Mr. TOWNS. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania, Mr. HINOJOSA, and LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. PAUL, Mr. H.R. 491: Mr. MCCOTTER. Mr. MOORE of Kansas. RAMSTAD, Mr. SESTAK, and Mr. H.R. 579: Mr. WALDEN of Oregon. H.R. 2694: Mr. AL GREEN of Texas and Mr. SOUDER): H.R. 601: Mr. DAVID DAVIS of Tennessee. MCGOVERN. H.R. 3947. A bill to amend the Internal Rev- H.R. 621: Mr. SALI. H.R. 2744: Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. BACA, and Mr. enue Code of 1986 to provide for a H.R. 636: Mr. DUNCAN. DOYLE. carryforward of unused benefits in health H.R. 718: Mr. MCHENRY. H.R. 2802: Ms. MATSUI. flexible spending arrangements; to the Com- H.R. 725: Mr. SMITH of Nebraska. H.R. 2818: Mr. BRADY of Texas. mittee on Ways and Means. H.R. 758: Mr. ROGERS of Michigan. H.R. 2821: Mr. HASTERT. By Mr. OBEY (for himself, Mr. MUR- H.R. 826: Mr. FORBES. H.R. 2840: Mr. DOGGETT. THA, Mr. MCGOVERN, Ms. MCCOLLUM H.R. 829: Mr. MCHUGH. H.R. 2894: Mr. WOLF. of Minnesota, Ms. BALDWIN, Mr. H.R. 854: Mr. JACKSON of Illinois. H.R. 2905: Mr. ALTMIRE. STARK, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, H.R. 887: Mr. AL GREEN of Texas. H.R. 2915: Ms. ZOE LOFGREN of California. Mr. MORAN of Virginia, and Mr. H.R. 891: Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland and H.R. 2933: Mr. BARROW, Mr. BOOZMAN, Mr. ELLISON): Mr. BROWN of South Carolina. HAYES, and Mr. ROTHMAN.

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H.R. 2942: Ms. SOLIS. H.R. 3793: Mr. HINCHEY, Mr. KIND, Mr. BOYD H. Res. 537: Mrs. CUBIN. H.R. 2949: Mr. SHERMAN. of Florida, Mr. LOBIONDO, Mr. HILL, Mr. H. Res. 542: Ms. GIFFORDS, Mr. JOHNSON of H.R. 2951: Mr. AL GREEN of Texas and Ms. MATHESON, Mr. HIGGINS, and Mr. SALAZAR. Illinois, Mr. LAMBORN, and Mr. INGLIS of KILPATRICK. H.R. 3796: Mr. HARE, Mr. SARBANES, Ms. South Carolina. H.R. 2994: Mr. GORDON, Mr. HINCHEY, and LINDA T. SA´ NCHEZ of California, and Ms. H. Res. 573: Mr. SHERMAN. Mr. MARSHALL. HIRONO. H. Res. 617: Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN. H.R. 3012: Mr. LUCAS and Mr. MANZULLO. H.R. 3797: Ms. SCHWARTZ and Mr. OLVER. H. Res. 618: Ms. WATERS, Mr. CUMMINGS, H.R. 3026: Mr. BURTON of Indiana and Mr. H.R. 3810: Mr. ARCURI, Mr. HINCHEY, Mrs. and Ms. WATSON. SKELTON. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. MCHUGH, Mr. H. Res. 669: Mr. HOBSON and Mr. KIRK. H.R. 3042: Mrs. CUBIN and Ms. HERSETH MCNULTY, and Mr. CONAWAY. H. Res. 684: Mrs. JONES of Ohio. SANDLIN. H.R. 3815: Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania. H. Res. 705: Mr. FORTU˜ NO, Mr. DONNELLY, H.R. 3045: Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. H.R. 3816: Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania. Mr. ROSKAM, and Mr. TANCREDO. FRANK of Massachusetts, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. H.R. 3818: Mr. JORDAN, Mr. DUNCAN, and H. Res. 708: Mr. DOYLE. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. FARR, Mr. Mr. GALLEGLY. H. Res. 715: Ms. GRANGER, Mrs. DRAKE, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. KUCINICH, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. H.R. 3827: Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania. REYNOLDS, and Mr. PETERSON of Minnesota. HASTINGS of Florida, and Mr. SERRANO. H.R. 3846: Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Res. 726: Mr. PITTS, Ms. HIRONO, Mr. INGLIS ´ H.R. 3053: Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Mr. Texas, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, of South Carolina, and Mr. WYNN. SALAZAR, and Mr. CLAY. and Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi. Res. 727: Mr. SHADEGG. H.R. 3058: Mr. REICHERT, Mr. HASTINGS of H.R. 3847: Mr. MCHENRY. H. Res. 754: Mr. MORAN of Virginia and Mr. H.R. 3864: Mr. MCCOTTER, Mr. DAVIS of Washington, Mr. HERGER, Mr. BISHOP of LEWIS of Georgia. Kentucky, and Mr. COLE of Oklahoma. Utah, Mr. MICHAUD, and Mr. DOOLITTLE. H. Res. 759: Mr. KAGEN. H.R. 3877: Mr. WU. H.R. 3119: Mrs. MALONEY of New York. H. Res. 760: Ms. LINDA T. SA´ NCHEZ of Cali- H.R. 3881: Mrs. MALONEY of New York. H.R. 3167: Ms. WATSON and Mr. HILL. fornia, Mr. EDWARDS, Mr. WALZ of Min- H.R. 3882: Mr. HILL, Ms. HERSETH SANDLIN, H.R. 3204: Mr. AL GREEN of Texas and Mr. nesota, Mr. ALTMIRE, Mr. HASTINGS of Flor- Mr. FILNER, Mr. HARE, Mr. KAGEN, Mr. STARK. ida, Mr. MCNERNEY, Mr. LOEBSACK, Mr. MEEK SALAZAR, Mr. EDWARDS, Mr. STUPAK, Mr. H.R. 3219: Mr. ROTHMAN. of Florida, Mr. ROSS, Mr. BERRY, Ms. MAT- MURTHA, Mr. DONNELLY, Mr. BUYER, Mr. MIL- H.R. 3298: Mr. BLUMENAUER. SUI, Mr. SHULER, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mrs. LER of Florida, Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. H.R. 3326: Mr. ORTIZ and Mr. GORDON. LOWEY, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. LARSON of Con- POMEROY, Mr. HALL of New York, Mr. H.R. 3329: Mr. SIRES. necticut, Mrs. BOYDA of Kansas, Ms. RODRIGUEZ, and Mr. KING of Iowa. H.R. 3334: Mr. SESTAK. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Mr. FRANK of Massa- H.R. 3887: Mr. CHABOT, Mr. BURTON of Indi- H.R. 3348: Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. CARTER, Ms. chusetts, Mrs. CAPPS, Ms. WATSON, Mr. HIN- ana, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Mr. GRANGER, Mrs. CUBIN, and Mrs. MYRICK. CHEY, Mr. WELCH of Vermont, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. FORTENBERRY, Ms. SOLIS, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. H.R. 3429: Mr. KAGEN and Mr. PETERSON of ETHERIDGE, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. DOGGETT, Mr. BERMAN, and Mr. SIRES. Minnesota. EMANUEL, Mr. HODES, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, H.R. 3888, Mr. COLE of Oklahoma and Mr. H.R. 3461: Mr. ROSS, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Ms. Ms. BERKLEY, Mr. STUPAK, Mr. LANGEVIN, KNOLLENBERG. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Mr. YARMUTH, and Ms. Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. SCOTT of Virginia, Mr. H.R. 3895: Mr. BLUMENAUER. MATSUI. LYBURN UTTERFIELD ILPATRICK H.R. 3905: Mr. RANGEL. C , Mr. B , Ms. K , H.R. 3484: Mr. GRIJALVA and Ms. DELAURO. H.R. 3908: Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. POE, Mr. Mr. WATT, Mr. RUSH, Mr. WYNN, Mr. COHEN, H.R. 3485: Mr. HALL of New York, Ms. ZOE NEUGEBAUER, and Mr. AKIN. Mr. CLEAVER, Ms. HOOLEY, Ms. HIRONO, Ms. LOFGREN of California, Ms. BORDALLO, and H.R. 3920: Ms. WOOLSEY, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Ms. GIF- Ms. DELAURO. ETHERIDGE, Mr. ALTMIRE, and Mrs. FORDS, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. MCCAUL of Texas, H.R. 3533: Mrs. EMERSON and Mr. MAR- GILLIBRAND. Mr. HALL of Texas, Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN SHALL. H.R. 3921: Mr. SERRANO. of California, Mr. PEARCE, Mr. DEAL of Geor- H.R. 3541: Ms. HOOLEY. H.R. 3923: Mr. HILL. gia, Mr. BROUN of Georgia, Mr. WALSH of New H.R. 3543: Mr. THOMPSON of Mississippi and H.J. Res. 6: Mr. BILBRAY and Mr. SULLIVAN. York, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. POE, Mr. PRICE of Mr. SAXTON. H.J. Res. 54: Mr. PITTS, Mr. YOUNG of Flor- Georgia, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. CONAWAY, Mrs. H.R. 3548: Mr. HILL, Mr. EMANUEL, and Mr. ida, Mr. HELLER, and Mrs. MYRICK. MCMORRIS RODGERS, Mr. HERGER, Mr. DOO- MAHONEY of Florida. H. Con. Res. 81: Ms. BORDALLO, Mr. DAVIS LITTLE, Mr. HOEKSTRA, Mr. UPTON, Mr. KUHL H.R. 3582: Mr. WAXMAN. of Illinois, Mr. DELAHUNT, and Mr. MCNULTY. of New York, Mr. ROGERS of Michigan, Mrs. H.R. 3609: Ms. WOOLSEY. H. Con. Res. 215: Mr. PAUL, Mr. BOOZMAN, WILSON of New Mexico, Mr. WALDEN of Or- H.R. 3629: Mr. WALZ of Minnesota. Mr. GILCHREST, Mr. BACHUS, Mrs. BIGGERT, egon, Mr. MATHESON, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Mr. H.R. 3631: Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. COURTNEY, Ms. Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. HILL, Mr. YARMUTH, Mr. MURPHY of Con- ZOE LOFGREN of California, and Ms. CRENSHAW, Mr. CULBERSON, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. necticut, and Ms. DEGETTE. SCHAKOWSKY. WELDON of Florida, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsyl- H. Res. 761: Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. H.R. 3633: Mr. CARNAHAN. vania, Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN, Mr. UPTON, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. MCCOTTER, and Mr. H.R. 3641: Mr. PAUL. GERLACH, Mr. PETRI, Mr. CASTLE, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona. H.R. 3654: Mr. LARSEN of Washington, Mr. MCCOTTER, Ms. PRYCE of Ohio, and Mr. CROWLEY, Mr. UDALL of Colorado, Ms. BEAN, ENGEL. f Mr. DONNELLY, Ms. HERSETH SANDLIN, Ms. H. Con. Res. 230: Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsyl- GIFFORDS, and Mr. PLATTS. vania, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. H.R. 3660: Mr. ROYCE, Mr. MCNERNEY, and CONGRESSIONAL EARMARKS, LIM- LAMBORN, and Mr. BUYER. ITED TAX BENEFITS, OR LIM- Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland. H. Con. Res. 234: Mr. CALVERT, Mr. WU, Mr. H.R. 3663: Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. FILNER, Ms. SIRES, Mr. INGLIS of South Carolina, and Mr. ITED TARIFF BENEFITS SCHAKOWSKY, and Mr. FRANK of Massachu- SHERMAN. Under clause 9 of rule XXI, lists or setts. H. Con. Res. 235: Mr. JORDAN, Mr. SOUDER, statements on congressional earmarks, H.R. 3680: Mr. PAUL, Mr. INSLEE, and Ms. and Mr. HENSARLING. limited tax benefits, or limited tariff HERSETH SANDLIN H. Res. 111: Mr. HALL of Texas, Mr. POR- benefits were submitted as follows: H.R. 3684: Mr. SHULER. TER, Mr. WALBERG, Mr. SOUDER, and Mr. H.R. 3691: Mr. STARK and Mr. SESTAK. NEUGEBAUER. The amendment to be offered by Rep- H.R. 3697: Mr. OBERSTAR and Mr. KAN- H. Res. 146: Mr. MEEKS of New York, Mr. resentative FLAKE or a designee to H.R. 505, JORSKI. ENGEL, Ms. GIFFORDS, and Ms. WATSON. the Native Hawaiian Government Reorga- H.R. 3700: Mr. MCGOVERN. H. Res. 163: Mr. WELCH of Vermont, Mr. nization Act does not contain any congres- H.R. 3705: Mr. GRIJALVA and Mr. COHEN. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Ms. MATSUI, Mr. sional earmarks, limited tax benefits, or lim- H.R. 3724: Mr. JEFFERSON. MCNULTY, and Mr. CLAY. ited tariff benefits as defined in clause 9(d), H.R. 3725: Mr. CAMPBELL of California and Res. 335: Mr. EHLERS, Mr. KUHL of New 9(e), or 9(f) of rule XXI. Mr. FEENEY. York, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. WAXMAN, and Mr. The amendment to be offered by Rep- H.R. 3757: Mr. BAIRD. HOBSON. resentative GEORGE MILLER of California or a H.R. 3758: Ms. GIFFORDS. H. Res. 338: Mr. BAIRD. designee to H.R. 3685, the Employment Non- H.R. 3779: Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey. H. Res. 356: Mr. HARE. Discrimination Act of 2007, does not contain H.R. 3780: Mr. COHEN. H. Res. 373: Mr. SIRES. any congressional earmarks, limited tax H.R. 3781: Mr. SKELTON. H. Res. 435: Mr. RAMSTAD and Mr. SHER- benefits, or limited tariff benefits as defined H.R. 3784: Ms. LEE. MAN. in clause 9(d), 9(e), or 9(f) of rule XXI.

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