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WWU Centennial History Western Washington University Centennial History Project This interview was conducted with Mr. Harold A. "Barney, retired director of Campus Planning at Western Washington University and former Washington State Senator. The interviewer is Steve Inge. The first interview takes place on April 1, 1999 at Mr. Goltz home in Bellingham, WA. The second interview of the series takes place on April 13, · 1999, also at Mr. Goltz home. A short piece of the first interview was misplaced and the second session recapitulates some of the earlier discussion, plus additional materials. Mr. Harold A. "Barney" Goltz April 1, 1999 1 WWU Centennial History SI-Today is April 1, 1999. We are talking with Harold A. "Barney" Goltz, who is retired from Western Washington University as dire~tor of campus planning and also a former state senator. The interviewer is Steve Inge. Barney, if you could tell us about your time at Western in the context of pla,nning and campus development. BG- I came to Western in 1957 to plan and to execute, as it were, the plan for the student union building, and I thought that would be the end of my planning responsibilities at Western. But when I started that project, it became obvious that Western was going to grow very rapidly in the 1960's and that something had to be done to prepare a plan for that growth. At that time the board of trustees was given a mandate from the governor to have Western Washington College ofEducation become a more comprehensive state college and to allow for considerable amount of growth. Enrollment was just over 2,000 in 1957 and the board of trustees set a goal of planning for a 6,000-student campus. At that time the campus was even more landlocked it seemed than it is today, because we didn't own any of the land south of what is now Carver Gymnasium, and the utilities weren't in in that area. There was no sewer line; there was no water line. In order for the campus to grow some of that infrastructure had to be prepared also. So, we had to do a lot of planning with the city. But the land was relatively cheap and easy to come by. The first thing that I sensed had to be done was to develop a comprehensive plan so that we would know exactly how we were going to accommodate 6,000 students on the campus. As we started that planning process, the board authorized the hiring of George Bartholick, a local architect, who had a reputation for being a very conscientious and competent planner. And it proved to be correct, that he was relatively, I would say a relative genius at this game of planning, because of one of the things that he was required to do under the mandate of the board was to draw up a plan that would be a pedestrian campus with no traffic running thought it and that meant changing the street patterns. Because the streets and alleys were already platted by the city on the south end of the campus, the college at that time had to seek vacation of those streets and alley rights of way, and we did it by trading the top of Sehome Hill to the city for the land below. That was done, I think as I recall, without even a public hearing. It was done sort ofby a handshake. But the city wanted the top of Sehome Hill for a communications site, and we wanted the bottom part of the city land for campus site, so it worked out very well. Anyway, it became very clear that the goal of 6,000 students was going to be too small, because we were growing by the rate of nearly a thousand students a year increase. So, we persuaded the board of trustees to enlarge their sights and to plan for a campus - I think we planned for a campus of 12,000. We had George Bartholick draw up the master plan, which included an academic quadrangle on the south end where all of those buildings are now already built and located. And we put in a utility corridor because the utilities that were there when we started this plan were just buried in the ground, running generally speaking from point A to point B, the closest way to get the steam lines to a building and so on. It made for a very (telephone interruption) Mr. Harold A. "Barney" Goltz April 1, 1999 2 · WWU Centennial History The board of trustees at the same time asked that future building projects should have art in public places as a part of every project. This was a time before the law was written to require it. But Westem's outdoor art collection started with Haggard Hall and the conditions for the outdoor art collection were really set then: that was that we should only have contemporary artists, living artists, that the artist had to come to the campus either to execute the work of art or to install it, or to participate with the faculty and students as the art was being installed so that we got an educational benefit with the artist at the same time. This process was accomplished by having the architect have an art allowance in the contract and the architect picked the art with the approval of the board. But there were no committees, no lengthy process, which eventually developed when Virginia Wright began to contribute heavily to the art. And she was - she became a contributor to the art at the time when Noguchi sculpture was added to Red Square. That was a project, which Ibsen Nelson was responsible for, because he knew oflbsen- Ibsen knew Noguchi and got him to perform a work of art for very little money. And we invited the Seattle art community to come to Western to meet Noguchi, and Virginia Wright was so impressed that she made a commitment on the spot to help Western continue its program, and it made a substantial contribution over the years to do that. The other thing that the board of trustees insisted upon was that we would not have uniform style of architecture. In other words, we would not try to develop a single architectural style, but that the architecture should blend and respect each other. We weren't completely successful in doing that, as Carver Gymnasium will testify. If Carver Gymnasium had had the brick facing that was planned for it, it would have been a little less conspicuous I think, but now its fairly well covered by landscaping, so if you can't win it one way, you try to do it another (laughter). SI - How did we find Ibsen Nelson? BG- Well, we found Ibsen Nelson probably through Fred Bassetti. Fred Bassetti was hired by the board for the student union building. This was after an architectural firm had started the planning for the student union building, but said they would not make changes in the plan, which I had recommended, and which the board agreed should be made. So, the firm of Bebb and Gould, I believe it was, that was doing the plan was really fired by the board of trustees, and Fred Bassetti was hired then in January of 1958 to start working on the plans for the student union building in accordance with the scheme that are committee.had developed. Fred Bassetti was hired on the strength, I think, of Marshall Forrest's recommendation. He had actually designed a house that Marshall Forrest lived m. SI - And still does? BG-No, not any longer. I think John Stewart lives there now. SI-The one up on the top of Highland ... Mr. Harold A. "Barney" Goltz April 1, 1999 3 WWU Centennial History BG-No, it's actually on Chuckanut. SI - Ok, I'm thinking of a different one. BG - Anyway, the board wanted different architects and wanted different architectural styles and Ibsen Nelson -well I guess Paul Thiry was the first architect after Fred Bassetti. And he got his reputation from the World's Fair in Seattle in 1962, planning for it. So he was a hot architect at the time. He did Higginson Hall and Highland Hall and Haggard Hall. These were largely concrete buildings, which, as we know, Haggard Hall has been sort ofre-designed. But Ibsen Nelson, Ralph Anderson, Henry Klein - we had, I think we must have had, over the years, 20 or more architectural firms doing work. Sometimes three or four of them working at the same time. But the major projects that were done early in the 1960's were done by Paul Thiry, Fred Bassetti, Ibsen Nelson and Henry Klein. SI-At this time did Bartholick have a guiding hand in here? Is he sort of the overall planner? BG- Yes. We had a committee, of course, and I was responsible for getting the committee to address the issues that were required to be addressed in the plan. And we had a space planner who came in at a certain point in the history of this planning to assist in determining how many square feet we would need for - we decided to have a campus of 12,000. The way it was approached was that you had to make assumptions, and you had to make assumptions about how many square feet of academic space you would have for a 12,000 student campus. This was a fairly easy square footage figure to come, because there is a lot of history in campuses around the country as to how many classrooms you need, how many labs, and so on.