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Case No. SCSL-2003-01-T THE PROSECUTOR OF THE SPECIAL COURT V. CHARLES GHANKAY TAYLOR WEDNESDAY, 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 9:30 A.M. TRIAL TRIAL CHAMBER II Before the Judges: Justice Teresa Doherty, Presiding Justice Richard Lussick Justice Julia Sebutinde Justice Al Hadji Malick Sow, Alternate For Chambers: Mr Simon Meisenberg Ms Carolyn Buff For the Registry: Ms Rachel Irura For the Prosecution: Mr Nicholas Koumjian Mr Alain Werner Mr Christopher Santora Ms Maja Dimitrova For the accused Charles Ghankay Mr Courtenay Griffiths QC Taylor: Mr Terry Munyard Mr Morris Anyah CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17054 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 Wednesday, 24 September 2008 2 [Open session] 3 [The accused present] 4 [Upon commencing at 9.30 a.m.] 09:18:08 5 PRESIDING JUDGE: Good morning. Mr Werner, appearances, 6 please. 7 MR WERNER: Good morning, your Honours. Good morning, 8 counsel opposite. So for Prosecution this morning, Nicholas H 9 Koumjian, Christopher Santora, Maja Dimitrova, myself Alain 09:29:38 10 Werner. 11 MR ANYAH: Good morning, Madam President. Good morning, 12 your Honours. Good morning, counsel opposite. For the Defence 13 it's myself this morning, Morris Anyah. 14 PRESIDING JUDGE: Thank you, Mr Anyah. Now we have a new 09:29:48 15 witness on the stand. 16 MR WERNER: Yes, your Honour. 17 PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Werner, the language, et cetera, if 18 you can just repeat them for purposes of record. 19 MR WERNER: Yes, your Honour. TF1-065, he is going to 09:30:03 20 testify in Krio and he is a Christian. 21 PRESIDING JUDGE: Please swear the witness. Thank you. 22 WITNESS: SAMUEL BULL [Sworn] 23 PRESIDING JUDGE: The Krio interpreters are in position? 24 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, your Honour. 09:30:52 25 PRESIDING JUDGE: That's fine. Please proceed, Mr Werner. 26 MR WERNER: Thank you, your Honour. 27 EXAMINATION-IN-CHIEF BY MR WERNER: 28 Q. Good morning, Mr Witness. 29 A. Good morning, sir. SCSL - TRIAL CHAMBER II CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17055 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 Q. Mr Witness, could you give your name to this Court? 2 A. Well, my name is Samuel Bull. 3 Q. And could you spell for this Court your family name? 4 A. It's B-U-L-L, Bull. 09:31:32 5 Q. And, Mr Witness, where were you born? 6 A. I was born in Motema Town, Kono District. 7 MR WERNER: Your Honour, Motema would be M-O-T-E-M-A: 8 Q. And do you know in which chiefdom is Motema? 9 A. Yes, it's in the Nimikoro Chiefdom. 09:32:00 10 MR WERNER: Your Honour, Nimikoro would be N-I-M-I-K-O-R-O: 11 Q. Mr Witness, do you know your date of birth? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Please tell this Court what is your date of birth? 14 A. I was born on 4 June 1960. 09:32:29 15 Q. And, Mr Witness, what is your level of education? 16 A. Well, I stopped in the fifth form. 17 Q. And which languages do you speak? 18 A. Well, I am a Kono by tribe, but I can speak Mende as well, 19 Krio and English. 09:33:04 20 Q. And could you write in English? 21 A. Yes, yes. 22 Q. And why did you choose to testify in Krio before this 23 Court? 24 A. I chose Krio because I knew I was coming to testify in the 09:33:31 25 presence of white people and I'm not used to their accent. I 26 wouldn't want to be asking questions to be repeating over and 27 again, so that's why I want to testify in Krio; because this 28 thing is very important and I can express myself better in Krio. 29 Q. And, Mr Witness, what is your actual occupation? SCSL - TRIAL CHAMBER II CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17056 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 A. Well, I'm a pastor. I'm a pastor in a ministry called IMC, 2 called international -- 3 THE INTERPRETER: Your Honours, can the witness repeat the 4 meaning of the -- 09:34:09 5 PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Witness, the interpreter asks that you 6 repeat the name of the church or the ministry to which you are 7 attached. 8 THE WITNESS: IMC, International Mission Church, Sierra 9 Leone. And I'm a facilitator in the Hope of Glory International 09:34:31 10 from the US, working with Mammy Peggy. 11 MR WERNER: 12 Q. And, Mr Witness, are you married? 13 PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Witness, you are not hearing the 14 interpreter? Mr Interpreter, it would seem that the witness is 09:34:56 15 not hearing your counterpart. 16 THE INTERPRETER: Could counsel please repeat his question. 17 MR WERNER: 18 Q. Are you married, Mr Witness? 19 A. Yes, I'm married. 09:35:06 20 Q. And do you have children? 21 A. Yes, yes, I have children. 22 Q. How many children do you have? 23 A. I have five children. 24 Q. Mr Witness, do you remember the month of May 1997? 09:35:26 25 A. Yes, I remember. 26 Q. And where were you at that time? 27 A. I was in Motema, Kono District. 28 Q. And during that month what, if anything, do you remember 29 happening in Kono District? SCSL - TRIAL CHAMBER II CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17057 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 A. Well, on that day, that is 25 May 1997, it was a Sunday, I 2 was in church teaching at the Sunday school. I heard a group of 3 soldiers coming and they were singing while coming and they were 4 dancing and the song was not favourable to the church and myself, 09:36:28 5 so we stopped the service to know what they were singing about. 6 PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Witness, you are going a little bit 7 fast as you speak. The interpreters are interpreting everything 8 you say and broadcasting it also and people are writing it down, 9 so can you speak a little bit more slowly and pause at the end of 09:36:50 10 each sentence. 11 THE WITNESS: Okay. So I said on 25 May 1997, and that was 12 on a Sunday, and I was in church teaching at the Sunday school, I 13 saw a group of soldiers coming from the Gaya Junction end which 14 was where the headquarters of the soldiers was and they were 09:37:34 15 singing while coming and dancing, but the song that they were 16 singing did not sound favourable to us. 17 MR WERNER: Your Honour, the witness gave a name, Gaya, I 18 think it's already in front of your Honours but for the record 19 it's G-A-Y-A: 09:38:04 20 Q. Now, Mr Witness, do you remember that song? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And would you be able to sing it for this Court? 23 A. Yes, I can sing it. 24 Q. Please do so, Mr Witness. 09:38:21 25 A. While they were coming they were singing saying, "Hey, hey, 26 hey. Eni bodi" -- 27 THE INTERPRETER: Your Honour, can I interpret or just 28 repeat it verbatim? 29 PRESIDING JUDGE: Mr Interpreter, please repeat it SCSL - TRIAL CHAMBER II CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17058 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 verbatim. Thank you. 2 THE INTERPRETER: Okay, your Honour. Can he repeat. 3 PRESIDING JUDGE: Please proceed, Mr Witness. Pick up 4 where you were saying, "Hey, hey, hey. Eni bodi --" Continue 09:38:51 5 from there. 6 THE WITNESS: "Hey, hey, hey. Eni bodi we no want soja wi 7 go kil yu leke fol. Eni bodi we no want soja wi go kil yu leke 8 fol." That is the song they sang. 9 MR WERNER: Your Honours, I'm going to clarify one word but 09:39:14 10 before that could the record demonstrate that the witness 11 actually sang the song. 12 PRESIDING JUDGE: Yes, the witness sang and it was 13 translated verbatim by the interpreter. Please proceed. 14 MR WERNER: 09:39:32 15 Q. Mr Witness, you said the song, "Anybody we no want soldier 16 we go kill you like a fowl". Could you explain that word? Could 17 you explain that word? 18 MR ANYAH: Madam President, it might be helpful if the 19 witness is asked to repeat the song but not sing it so a proper 09:39:59 20 record is made of the language used in the song. That is the 21 words that make up the song, because as it appears on the record 22 as he sang it it doesn't appear that it was translated in its 23 entirety and it's not clear as it appears on the record. 24 MR WERNER: I absolutely agree, your Honours. I am going 09:40:18 25 to ask the witness: 26 Q. Mr Witness, without singing the song, could you tell this 27 Court the words that were in this song, please, slowly? 28 A. Well, there was singing, the meaning of the song was that 29 anybody who did not want the soldiers, that person would be SCSL - TRIAL CHAMBER II CHARLES TAYLOR Page 17059 24 SEPTEMBER 2008 OPEN SESSION 1 killed like a chicken. 2 Q. Mr Witness, what happened after that, after you heard this 3 song? 4 A.