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Parliamentary Debates (Hansard) Friday Volume 565 5 July 2013 No. 30 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Friday 5 July 2013 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2013 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1169 5 JULY 2013 European Union (Referendum) Bill 1170 that we set a time frame within which that must be done. House of Commons That is what the Bill does, and that is why I have introduced it. Friday 5 July 2013 Heather Wheeler (South Derbyshire) (Con): First, I The House met at half-past Nine o’clock congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate. Secondly, I totally agree that—and I think he will probably explore this—it is important that this will PRAYERS reinforce the hand of our marvellous Prime Minister in negotiations with Europe, and then give the public a [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] say. The public deserve a say. 9.30 am James Wharton: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con): I beg to This is about giving the public a real say—a real choice move, That the House sit in private. between the best possible deal that we can get from the Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 163), and European Union and, if the public so choose, leaving it, negatived. if that is what they want to do. That is what we on this side are offering the British public: I think that Members European Union (Referendum) Bill on the other side should consider their position very Second Reading carefully indeed, because at the next election the public will not forgive Members who do not trust them. 9.35 am James Wharton (Stockton South) (Con): I beg to Several hon. Members rose— move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. It is an honour to introduce a Bill that has at its heart James Wharton: I want to make a little progress, then the heart of our democracy. Power should reside with I will give way. the people. In introducing the Bill, I speak for many in There is—and we can see it already—a debate to be the House, but I speak for millions more outside the had about whether our national interest is best served House. by being inside the European Union or by coming out. That debate, however, is not for today. Nadhim Zahawi (Stratford-on-Avon) (Con): It is regrettable that the right hon. Member for Doncaster North (Edward Miliband) is not in the Chamber. Has Mr Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South) (Lab): Will my hon. Friend received representations from the leader the hon. Gentleman give way? of the Labour party, Len McCluskey, on what he thinks the position of the Labour party should be on this James Wharton: This is a debate about the Bill that is important issue? before—[Interruption.] James Wharton: I thank my hon. Friend for that Mr Speaker: Order. The hon. Gentleman is not giving ingenious intervention. I have not yet heard from way at the moment. I think that that is clear. Mr McCluskey, but I am sure that when the Labour party has decided what its position is on giving the British people a say on our relationship with the European James Wharton: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Union it will let us know. In introducing the Bill, as I This is a debate about the Bill that I am bringing said, I speak for many in the Chamber and for many forward and which I am proud to bring forward. The millions outside. It was in 1975 that a Labour Government Community that we joined all those years ago was gave the British people a say on our membership of the primarily one of free trade, though aspects of it even then European Community. How things have changed: then— politics has moved on, and the European Union has moved on. Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) (Con): The first time I voted was in 1974. My son and daughter Mr Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) (Lab): In 1971, I voted have never had the opportunity to make that democratic against the then Common Market, and I voted for a decision. Does my hon. Friend agree that that is what referendum in 1975. Sadly, the country did not follow we should be doing today? That is why I sponsored my my advice, or we would not be doing what we are doing hon. Friend’s Bill. today. However, the Bill is deficient in one respect: it does not ask for a referendum until 2017. What we need is a referendum before the next election. Will the hon. James Wharton: Of course I agree with my hon. Gentleman give that guarantee? Friend. She was lucky if she had the opportunity to vote. I was, as one hon. Member whispered in my ear as James Wharton: For the first time, I find myself agreeing she made her contribution, but a twinkle in an eye at with at least part of the hon. Gentleman’s comments. I that time. I did not have the opportunity to vote. wish more people had listened to him in 1975, and I am sorry that they are not going to do so now. Mr Lee Scott (Ilford North) (Con): Does my hon. As I shall come on to explore, it is important that we Friend agree that any party that does not trust the secure the best possible deal from the European Union British people does not deserve the trust of the British and put a real choice to the British people. It is sensible people? 1171 European Union (Referendum) Bill5 JULY 2013 European Union (Referendum) Bill 1172 James Wharton: My hon. Friend will be staggered, I large and complex Bill, it would be easier for him and am sure, to find that of course I agree with him. But his colleagues to slow its progress and wreck the chances what matters is not that I agree with him; it is that the of it getting through and delivering what the British people who are watching this debate, who care about people want. So although I hear what he says and I the issue, who want to have their say—the great British know he is deeply concerned about anything that will people—agree with him. They will make their views allow him at a later stage, should the Bill go forward very clear, come the next election. today, to slow it down and bog it down in parliamentary procedure, I hope he will resist the temptation and Mr Andrew Tyrie (Chichester) (Con): Does my hon. allow us to get it through so that his constituents and Friend agree that one of the most important reasons for mine can vote whichever way they want and have their the Bill has already been mentioned—that a whole choice and their say on such a fundamental issue. generation has not had a chance to have a say? But there We have already discussed the fact that the European is a second reason, which is that the EU is a fundamentally Community is not the same as the European Union. different creature from the one on which we voted in What we joined has changed. Those who voted yes in 1975, and it is on that issue that the country must have a 1975 believed that they had bought a ticket to a clear say. and certain destination—to a free trade area that would benefit Britain’s economy without undermining our James Wharton: My hon. Friend is right. That is a sovereignty. They did not buy a ticket for a never-ending fundamental point. The European Community that the journey to ever-closer union, destination unknown. British people voted to be a part of in 1975 is not the same as the European Union of today. Angie Bray (Ealing Central and Acton) (Con): I congratulate my hon. Friend on this excellent Bill. Does Mr Marsden: Will the hon. Gentleman give way? he agree that we have heard from many businesses in the form of Business for Britain, who have said that businesses James Wharton: I will give way, then I want to make in this country also want to see the terms of our some progress. membership of the EU renegotiated? They also believe that finally giving the public a vote on this massive issue Mr Marsden: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. will create more stability than there is at present. He is making his points more usefully than some of his Whips have done so far—[Interruption] butisheaware James Wharton: My hon. Friend is right. There are of the fact—[Interruption.] Tory Members should calm hundreds of businesses that support the campaign for a down. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that 40% of UK say on our membership of the European Union. An exports go to the EU tariff-free, and that business important point about the Bill, which I should make leaders in this country have said that it would be dangerously clear to Members on all sides, is that I am not arguing destabilising if a referendum were to go ahead. Does he today that we should be in or that we should be out. I think—[Interruption.] am putting forward an argument that we should trust the British people to make that decision and have a say. Mr Speaker: Order. There needs to be rather more calm in the Chamber.
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