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House of Lords Official Report Vol. 722 Tuesday No. 67 16 November 2010 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDER OF BUSINESS Royal Engagement Announcement Questions Women: Deaths in Custody Bovine Tuberculosis Department of Health: Arm’s-length Bodies Welfare Reform Business of the House Motions on Standing Orders Public Bodies Bill [HL] Order of Consideration Motion Interim Report: Leader’s Group on Members Leaving the House Motion to Take Note Redfern Inquiry Statement Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill Second Reading (2nd Day) Written Statements Written Answers For column numbers see back page £3·50 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. The bound volumes also will be sent to those Peers who similarly notify their wish to receive them. No proofs of Daily Reports are provided. 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THE INDEX to each Bound Volume of House of Commons Debates is published separately at £9·00 and can be supplied to standing order. WEEKLY INFORMATION BULLETIN, compiled by the House of Commons, gives details of past and forthcoming business, the work of Committees and general information on legislation, etc. Single copies: £1·50. Annual subscription: £53·50. All prices are inclusive of postage. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2010, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ 663 Royal Engagement[16 NOVEMBER 2010] Women: Deaths in Custody 664 Baroness Northover: My Lords, any death in prison House of Lords custody is tragic. The number and rate of self-inflicted deaths of women in custody has declined from a peak Tuesday, 16 November 2010. of 14 in 2003 to three in 2009. This year there has been one self-inflicted death in custody. We will continue to 2.30 pm work hard to reduce this further by focusing on care planning for each individual woman in custody and by Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Blackburn. seeking to ensure that all agencies concerned work effectively together. Royal Engagement Lord Sheldon: I thank the noble Baroness for that Announcement reply, because it is rather useful. But is it not unacceptable that the female prison population has increased by 2.37 pm 30 per cent over the past decade? In January 2009, The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Lord there were 4,199 women in custody, one-third of whom Strathclyde): My Lords, I am delighted to be able had no previous convictions at all. According to the to report to the House the announcement made by Corston review, there should be custody for women Clarence House this morning, which I am sure many only for serious and violent crimes and for threats to of your Lordships will have already heard, of the the public. In the 10 years to December 2009, there engagement of Prince William to Miss Catherine were 69 self-inflicted deaths of women in prison. Women Middleton. I understand that the wedding is due to are often imprisoned for minor offences and the impact take place in spring or summer of next year. I am sure is on their children. What action are the Government that the House will wish to have an opportunity in due taking to change this? course to convey a more formal message to Her Majesty Baroness Northover: My Lords, I thank the noble the Queen. In the mean time, your Lordships will, I Lord for that question and for ensuring that we focus know, wish to join me in conveying our heartfelt on this important issue. He is quite right: if you look congratulations and every good wish to Prince William at the sentencing pattern for women compared with and Kate Middleton. that for men, you will find that we are a law-abiding sex, it seems. Although only 5 per cent of prisoners are Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, I thank the women, they are in prison for lesser offences than are noble Lord for making that very brief Statement. I men. That, surely, is not how it should be. In many realise that there will be time in due course for official cases, those women are extremely vulnerable; there is a tributes but, for now, I just wish Prince William and high incidence of mental illness, drug abuse, other Miss Kate Middleton the warmest and heartiest substance abuse and so on. The noble Lord is also congratulations from these Benches also. right that they usually have dependent children. The previous Government took the Corston report forward Lord Alderdice: My Lords, there are few things and sought to address this. We will be doing as much more exciting in life than watching a young couple as we can to take that further forward. I point the make their public commitment to each other and step noble Lord in the direction of the sentencing review out in life together. We on these Benches very much that is shortly to come out. wish to be associated with the words of the Leader of the House in congratulations and very good wishes to Baroness Howe of Idlicote: My Lords, women prisoners the young couple. are over three times more likely to inflict self-harm as their male counterparts and have higher levels of The Lord Bishop of Blackburn: My Lords, from this psychological distress than male prisoners. What will Bench I should like to express our great delight at this the coalition Government be doing to deal with this wonderful news. We wish His Royal Highness and unacceptable situation and ensure that when women Miss Kate Middleton our very best wishes and assure enter prison—and we hope that far fewer will do so in them of our prayers not only today but in the months future—they are properly assessed for appropriate to come. treatment? Baroness D’Souza: My Lords, on behalf of the Baroness Northover: My Lords, the noble Baroness Cross-Benchers, I, too, would like to associate myself is right; there are high levels of self-harming among with the congratulations being offered. We also send women prisoners. I point her in the direction of my our warmest good wishes to the happy couple. previous answer. The first thing is to address the disproportionate sentencing of women to prison, and I hope that that can be looked at in the context of the Women: Deaths in Custody sentencing review. I hope that noble Lords, like the Question noble Baroness, will play a full part in looking at that and ensuring that it addresses the issue of self-harm. If 2.39 pm we can divert women from prison, that will be very Asked By Lord Sheldon helpful. For those who are in prison, there has been a positive shift to address the issue, led partly by the moves To ask Her Majesty’s Government what action of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, to ensure that they are taking to reduce the number of deaths of prisoners are covered by the National Health Service women in custody. rather than by the Prison Medical Service. There is a 665 Women: Deaths in Custody[LORDS] Bovine Tuberculosis 666 [BARONESS NORTHOVER] Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall: My Lords, in view mental health White Paper coming down the track of the pressure that the prison budget is liable to come from the Department of Health, and that too should under, can the Minister say whether the sorts of useful help to address the issue. interventions that come through education, and particularly the kind of education that comes through Baroness Linklater of Butterstone: My Lords, given the arts organisations in prisons, will be protected? It the high levels of social, psychiatric and emotional has a particularly beneficial effect on the sort of prisoners disorders among the women prison population, does she has been talking about. the Minister agree that much more needs to be done to improve the training of prison officers and people on Baroness Northover: The key thing is to cut reoffending the front line who are dealing with these girls on a and to rehabilitate. That is the best way to protect the daily basis? public and to redirect those women to other things. All Baroness Northover: Yes, that is the case. Quite a lot of these aspects will be looked at in terms of their of investment has gone into training prison officers; if efficacy. I can find the page in my brief, I will find how many have been trained. I seem to remember that something Bovine Tuberculosis like £600,000 has gone into supporting them and a Question large number of prison officers are now trained to look for the tell-tale signs.
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