Patrick Caulfield Interviewed by Andrew Lambirth
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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES ARTISTS’ LIVES Patrick Caulfield Interviewed by Andrew Lambirth C466/64 This transcript is copyright of the British Library Boar d. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] This transcript is accessible via the British Library’s Archival Sound Recordings website. Visit http://sounds.bl.uk for further information about the interview. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk IMPORTANT Access to this interview and transcript is for private research only. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. 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Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators ( [email protected] ) © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C466/64 Digitised from cassette originals Collection title: Artists’ Lives Interviewee’s surname: Caulfield Title: Interviewee’s forename: Patrick Sex: Male Occupation: Dates: b 29.1.1936 Dates of recording: 27.03.1996; 17.7.1996; 21.4.1997; 25.08.1998 Location of interview: Interviewee’s home Name of interviewer: Andrew Lambirth Type of recorder: Marantz CP430 and two lapel mics Recording format: TDK C60 Cassettes F numbers of playback cassettes: F6302-6307; F6851 Total no. of digitised tracks : 14 Mono or stereo: Stereo Additional material at the British Library : Copyright/Clearance: Full clearance. © The British Library Interviewer’s comments: © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Patrick Caulfield C466/64/01 F6302A Page 1 F6302 Side A [INAUDIBLE] I’ve got some... Do you know I had my 60 th birthday... In February, in January. No no, end of January. And, people came, and Janet said there was only going to be fifty to sixty people coming. I said, that’s OK, that’s... I really wanted thirty. Anyway, she said, ‘Don’t worry,’ she said, ‘a lot of people simply won’t come because people cancel,’ and so on and so forth. And, anyway 90 people, nearly 90 people came, after, the morning[??] afterwards. And I looked at the hallway, and we had asked people to leave presents just on the hallway. There’s no point in anything like opening every present. And, there were nineteen bottles of very good whisky, so which, and I’ve got lots left as you might imagine. And one, I think, now I can’t move can I to show you because I’m trapped by this. But let me see that violin case on the sort of, it’s a violin case, it’s actually a rather solid violin case, but inside is a bottle of whisky and a bottle of water and a glass. What an excellent idea. One of the presents. What? Who was that from? A friend of mine who I’ve known since I was eleven years old at school, again. And when he came in, I thought, oh, because Janet had hired a jazz pianist to play on that piano you see, and I thought, God! he knows about it, he wants to join in. Because he... [TELEPHONE RINGING] Oh gosh, this is..... [BREAK IN RECORDING] © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Patrick Caulfield C466/64/01 F6302A Page 2 Patrick Caulfield talking to Andrew Lambirth on the 27 th of March 1996, in Belsize Square. Patrick, you were talking about your 60 th birthday. That takes us back in a sense to 60 years ago, when you were, right from the beginning, when, you were born where, in Acton? Yes, I was born in Acton, South Acton, you have to be specific. Acton has got very different areas. South Acton, where I was born, was known as ‘Bagwash City’, because, as you walked along the streets where I was born, you smell the smell of damp laundry, because people used to do these...they were like...they looked like garages from the front but they were... It sounds as though I’m not talking to you. They were laundries, and in fact there was one my mother worked in, one of those laundries. Sounds a bit like Zola[ph] but it... Anyway. Were they cottage, like a cottage industry, or...? I suppose they were. I mean they were a small scale, but, they were cottage, but they weren’t cottage in any cosy sense that a cottage evokes, you know. But it wasn’t in people’s back gardens? No. Well, my memory is quite, again as I have just been warned[??]. They were, as I say they were like, I suppose if you had a big enough space you somehow washed people’s sheets and so on and so forth. I don’t know how they did it technically, but it was...they were all like big garages really, so they weren’t cottage industries in that sense, sense of scale. Now what sort of house were you born in? Or were you born in a hospital? I was born in a hospital. But the house we lived in was just two storey, semi-detached – no, row house. Terraced? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Patrick Caulfield C466/64/01 F6302A Page 3 Yes. And we just had the top flat. And was it just you and your parents? And my elder brother, yes The four of you? Yes. And what did your father do? At that time, I don’t actually know what he was doing. He was working in a factory somewhere. Well there are two possibilities. He could be working in a factory, or he could be working on the railways as a labourer, you know, doing stuff with the lines, I don’t know. Those were the two occupations that he had? Possibly at that time. He did different things. I can’t remember actually. What sort of factory, do you remember? Oh no, I can’t remember, no. It would have been vaguely engineering, you know, it would be working a lathe or something like that. I mean, I don’t... But locally, I mean around Acton? Yes, oh definitely, yes, quite locally. Do you remember anything about that flat, I mean the physical aspects of it, what the colour of the walls were? © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Patrick Caulfield C466/64/01 F6302A Page 4 No. The only thing I remember about it was, of being stung by a bee in there, which was... That really sticks in my...I mean, it stick in my mind, well it stuck in my arm or wherever, at that time. But it seemed very, God! very serious to me at the time. I mean, because, this was my first association with nature I suppose, stung by the bee. But, no, it looked on...I think it looked out onto a green space, scrubby sort of green space. It doesn’t...the place doesn’t exist any more, they’re all pulled down and there are blocks of flats. How long were you living there, do you have any idea? It can’t have been very long, because then we went up to Bolton, which is where my parents were born. How old would you have been roughly? I can’t...I really don’t know. About two or three years old I suppose, very... So what is the first memory you have of living anywhere, not really there then, in Acton? No no, it is the first memory I have. Yes, the bee. That...well I have that memory of the bee. Yes. Do you think it’s to early to have a memory of the bee? No not at all, but you don’t have any sort of physical memories of the place, besides the bee, so it didn’t make that much impression on you. Well the laundries. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Patrick Caulfield C466/64/01 F6302A Page 5 Yes. I mean, I’m so confused. What age do you start to turn them around, about...? Two or three, yes. Yes. I remember there was a sweet shop round the corner that had chicken wire across the counter. I don’t think it would have been across all the counter but it...why it was there I don’t know, unless it was like a sort of, stop people stealing things. Sounds like a very primitive way of keeping them out of the off-licence bit. Exactly, it was a bit like that. So what happened when you went to Bolton? Well, I...well I suppose I eventually went to school there. And... What was the reason for moving back? I suppose in retrospect it must have been to do with the war. I don’t think my family had anything really going for them being in London, I don’t know what ambition they had being in London. I never asked questions of my parents, why they did things. But... You wouldn’t have talked about it naturally? No. Well, certainly not at that time, I mean never since.