LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY of ALBERTA [The House Met at 2:30
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May 6, 1976 ALBERTA HANSARD 1111 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ALBERTA MR. ADAIR: Mr. Speaker, it's my pleasure also to introduce some students from the great north coun• try, and particularly from the constituency of Peace Title: Thursday, May 6, 1976 2:30 p.m. River: 31 students from the Grade 7 class of the Rosary School in the town of Manning, accompanied by their teachers: Sylvia Pynglo, Wendell Derringer, [The House met at 2:30 p.m.] and Lucy Vant Erve; along with parents: Enid Simpson, Katherine Yasinski, Peter Dechant, and Ed Jaeger. I would ask that they stand and be recog• PRAYERS nized by this Assembly. DR. McCRIMMON: Mr. Speaker, it is my privilege today to introduce to you, and through you to the [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] members of this Assembly, 30 Grade 9 students from St. Augustine School in Ponoka, accompanied by their teacher, Mr. Norman Thackeray. They are head: PRESENTING PETITIONS seated in the public gallery. I would ask that they stand now and receive the recognition of the House. MR. KUSHNER: Mr. Speaker, I beg to present to this Legislature this petition with 1,000 signatures of DR. PAPROSKI: Mr. Speaker, I'm delighted to intro• concerned Albertans. Albertans to this Legislature. duce to you, and through you to members of the The Foothills Hospital in dismissing Dr. George Assembly, some 30 bright young students from Abouna without charging him with incompe• Westmount Junior High School located in the con• tence has denied the transplant patients the stituency of Edmonton Kingsway, accompanied, of surgeon of their choice. We request the Gov• course, by a bright young teacher, Mrs. H. Rogers. I ernment of Alberta reinstate Dr. Abouna imme• congratulate them for taking an interest in the legisla• diately in the Foothills Hospital. tive process and democracy in action, and welcome them to the Assembly. I would ask them to rise and be recognized. They are located in the members head: PRESENTING REPORTS BY gallery. STANDING AND SELECT COMMITTEES MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I have great pleasure in MR. HORSMAN: Mr. Speaker, as chairman of the introducing to you, and through you to hon. members Private Bills Committee, I hereby report that Standing of the Legislature, Mr. and Mrs. Tom Taylor of Order 77 concerning the publication of notice of Calgary, and Mrs. Taylor's mother, Mrs. Walter Frey application in The Alberta Gazette and newspapers of Josephburg. I would ask these visitors to stand has been complied with in respect to the following and be recognized. petitions: Of Northwestern Utilities Limited for an act respecting a certain agreement between the City head: TABLING RETURNS AND REPORTS of Edmonton and Northern Alberta Natural Gas Development Company Limited, and dated the DR. HORNER: Mr. Speaker, I'd like to table the 16th day of November 1915; response to Motion for a Return 159. Of the Mennonite Mutual Relief Insurance Company Limited for an act to amend The MR. GETTY: Mr. Speaker, I'd like to file copies of Mennonite Mutual Relief Insurance Company three research reports: first, the reconnaissance field Act; survey for potential forest nursery sites northeast of Of the Certified General Accountants Associa• Edmonton; secondly, Recommended Procedures for tion of Alberta for an act to incorporate the Forest Regeneration Surveys in Alberta; and thirdly, Certified General Accountants Association of Current Range Management on Forest Lands in Alberta. Alberta. The petition of the Alberta Real Estate Association for an act to incorporate the Real Estate Association MISS HUNLEY: Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the has been referred to the Private Bills Committee for answer to Motion for a Return 167. consideration pursuant to Standing Order 81(2). MR. LEITCH: Mr. Speaker, I wish to file copies of loan agreements between Canada-Cities Service Ltd., head: INTRODUCTION OF VISITORS Cities Service Company and the Government of Alberta, together with the debentures attached to the MR. NOTLEY: Mr. Speaker, I'm delighted today to loan agreements, both of which relate to the lending have the opportunity of introducing some 31 students of $100 million by the Government of Alberta with from St. Thomas More Separate School in Fairview. respect to the Syncrude project. They've come some 350 miles to visit the city of Mr. Speaker, I would also like to file similar Edmonton, and they are taking the afternoon to tour agreements and debentures between Gulf Oil Canada the Legislature building. They are accompanied by Limited and Her Majesty in Right of the Province of their teacher, Mr. Jim Olson, and they're seated in Alberta. The loan agreements have been executed by the public gallery. I would ask them to stand and be Gulf Oil Canada Limited. The debenture to which recognized by the members of the House. they refer has not, but will be executed within the 1112 ALBERTA HANSARD May 6, 1976 next while, Mr. Speaker. When it is, I will file the MR. MOORE: Mr. Speaker, I'm afraid I could not give executed copies of the debentures for information of a time frame. It's only been within the last week that members of the Assembly. the Executive Council has had an opportunity to Mr. Speaker, I would also like to file two letters to consider the recommendations of the Ag. Develop• me from A. E. Ames & Co., both dated April 23, 1976. ment Corporation in that regard. I'm not aware, and I One relates to the Gulf Oil debenture, and the other don't believe the Minister of Transportation is either, relates to the Canada-Cities Service debenture. when the whole subject of freight rates with respect These letters arise because we retained A. E. Ames & to oil and meal will be resolved. So I simply can't Co. as our advisors in connection with the negotiation answer that at this time. of the loan agreements and the debentures. The essence of the letters is that the debentures are MR. CLARK: Mr. Speaker, then a supplementary consistent with normal commercial practice. question to the Minister of Transportation. In light of For the assistance of members of the Assembly, I the most recent utterances by the federal Minister of would also like to call their attention to two or three Transport, is the minister in a position to shed any of the principal terms of the debenture. The first is light on where negotiations now stand between the the interest rate. With respect to the Gulf Oil three prairie provinces and the feds on this issue — debenture, that is 8.125 per cent. With respect to the not only the Sexsmith plant but also the Lloydminster Canada-Cities Service debenture, it is 8.375 per cent. situation? In addition, Mr. Speaker, the interest that accrues during the construction period will be cancelled in the DR. HORNER: Mr. Speaker, I might respond in this event that there is an exercise of the conversion way: I'm sure the hon. leader is aware of the privilege which the provincial government has under communique relative to this matter that was issued in the terms of the debenture. Medicine Hat. We have had a response from the The conversion privilege I just referred to, Mr. federal Minister of Transport that he has made public, Speaker, begins roughly at the time of production [at] as I understand, in the form of a telex to the premiers the plant and extends for a period of five years. This asking for a response to his considerations. is very important both as to the length of time and the We have had initial meetings, indeed today, with fact that it can be converted without penalty any time the crushers in this province. We will be following during that five years. that up with consultation with the ministers and the industry in both Saskatchewan and Manitoba to ascertain the various steps we intend to take in the MR. SPEAKER: In view of the explanation of the hon. next very short while. minister having been somewhat in the nature of a I might say that we're disappointed that the costing ministerial announcement, it might be appropriate to information which was promised to us arrived the day afford the Leader of the Opposition an opportunity to before the federal order in council was passed. comment at this time, if he wishes. That's not very useful consultation on behalf of the federal government. I think Mr. Lang should be aware that not only are we a little bit upset with the MR. CLARK: Mr. Speaker, in light of the complica• timing, but in fact the costing information we have tions and the long time it's taken the government to received has not been very good. We intend to go come to some agreement, I think we'll take the back to the CTC in a very definite way, with the opportunity to respond tomorrow or later in the co-operation of the industry, to get some firm facts session. relative to costing. We would hope also that Mr. Lang might make available to the industry the railways' costing infor• head: ORAL QUESTION PERIOD mation. If it is in the public interest, he can do so not only under the public information act passed relative Sexsmith Rapeseed Plant to costs, but in fact according to the Railway Act. My suggestion, Mr. Speaker, is that this whole matter is MR. CLARK: Mr. Speaker, I'd like to direct the first very much in the public interest at the moment. We'll question to the Minister of Agriculture. What is the be asking Mr.