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Volume 13 Cbs Ch 8/601-6/650 W19658VE CLAN BOYD, SECOND EDITION, VOL. 19 11/12/2018 PAGE 1 7/8/2018 CONTENTS Chapter NAMEPAGE No. W19658VE 19/971 BOYD OF Kilmarnock [17], Elizabeth Boyd & Mr Bankhead (CB17080) 02 19/972 BOYD OF Busbie, Par. of Kilmaurs, John Boyd & Janet Bankead 07 19/973 BOYD OF Dalrymple, Jean Boyd & William Fulton (CB17083) 08 19/974 BOYD OF Elizabeth Boyd & Thomas Reid (of Stevenston?) 09 19/975 BOYD OF Largs, Ayrshire, Elizabeth Boyd & John McIntyre 107 Spurs Drive Wellington Point QLD 4160 Brisbane Australia 30 November 2018 Dear Alastair In later September 2018, I was going another project, when I stumbled onto your family tree research on the electricscotland.com website. As I was leaving to go the USA for four weeks, in a few days’ time, I copied the data down and filed it. And last week, after I contacted Beth Gay Freeman, whom I meet again at Stone Mountain Games, she gave me your Email address, which I could not find on electricscotland, so I can now send the Family Tree I draft on your Boyd family from Largs. If I do not write this down, I will quickly forget what I said to you. One of my roles as Chairman of the Historical Committee of the House of Boyd Society is to try to find Boyd families wherever they are in the World and include them in Clan Boyd of Scotland. This is an effort to build a Clan Boyd Pyramid of its descendants from pre- 1,200. It will also add to the over 900 Boyd families (in over 10,000 pages) that I have collected so far and make it much easier to make connections. During my recent seven trips to Britain and the USA, I have found a further three thousand plus of new Boyd families but I have not had time to process these data into family trees yet. I have not yet sorted out my papers from this trip but assume that I will have found another 700 to 800 new Boyd families to turn into Family Chapters or 14 to 16 new Volumes of Clan Boyd of Scotland. I have been going to the USA annually since 2010 and manned a number of Boyd tents at Games in various States and normally during these Games I visit other tents to meet other Clans. (i) I have turned the data that you have on your website into Family Chapter 19/975 in FILE W19658VE.doc, starting on my page 39, under the title - 19/975 BOYD OF Largs, Ayrshire, Elizabeth Boyd & John McIntyre. (ii) When I finish this letter, I will post two queries to the AYRSHIRE net list about the Census from 1851 and the other one that you have cited in this website, to see if anyone is researching any of the other siblings to your direct Boyd family or might know anything about this Boyd Fisherman family. (iii) Have you been able to find anything out about where this Boyd family were buried in Largs? And were they buried with any other Boyd families? (iv) From what is known of our Boyd history, Simon the half-brother of Walter the first High Stewart came together and settled in Renfrewshire, but I do not know this date. (I have just written to the Chairman of Clan Stewart in America, with a number of questions about Boyd and Stewart history, along with a number of articles that I have written about Boyd history.) It is thought that they settled in the Barony of Gaven and Risk, which is east of Castle Semple Lock and has the A 737 running through it. I know that in the early 1700’s, when either the 3rd or 4th Earl of Kilmarnock were going to visit 13 tenants, that he called vassals. Which, when I saw it though was a strange term to us in the 1700’s. As I have never seen a map of this Barony, I am not sure if it may also include Boydtone, down near the Renfrewshire/Ayrshire border or not. Or if this was a second Boyd Barony. It is also known that after the Battle of Largs in 1263, where the Boyd got our Motto of “Confido”, as the King said that I trust Sir Robert Boyd (II) to do the task of defending Goldenberry Hill above Hunterston, (about 5 or 7 miles south of Largs) and that is also when we got the “hand” symbol as well, that the King gave Sir Robert Boyd lands in Cunninghame, Ayrshire, but not where. I think that some of this land was one or more of the Boyd estates listed in April 1467, when Thomas Boyd, Earl of Arran, married Princess Mary Stewart, that are listed just outside of Largs. Then at Bruce’s coronation in March 1306 at Scone, Sir Robert Boyd (IV), was listed as being a small landowner from Cunninghame, Ayrshire, but not where these lands were. He was the only Ayrshire landowner listed amongst the 21 named people at this coronation. (v) Over the years I have written a number of articles on various parts of our Boyd history. Would you like me to send you some of these? Some of these question the “common” statements that the Boyds came from Bute or that they were vassals of the de Morvilles in Ayrshire. (vi) While I am also trying to build data around a number of “questions on Boyd history” – such as 1. DNA shows 2. Stewart & Boyd Links with DNA 3. Simon Boyd's 6 children 4. First mention of the name Boyd - 1,111 5. 1205 Irvine - Scots Peerage, page 136. W19658VE CLAN BOYD, SECOND EDITION, VOL. 19 11/12/2018 PAGE 2 6. Vassals of the de Morville (Folder 08M #3A) - Not on list - check 2008 docs list 7. Battle of Largs, 1263, - 20 men!! 8. 1290's - Wallace's Second in Command. - Why did he not lead after Wallace's death? 9. Pre 1306 with Robert the Bruce, including Rathlin Island & attach on Arran Island 10. 1306 One of 24 names at Bruce's coronation (folder 08x #??) 11. 1306 lands given by Bruce - Balliol Lands 12. 1309 At Bruce first Parliament. 13. 1314 Bannockburn - said to be one of 24 Clans? 14. 1423 Hostages for King James II - who were the others - what links after? Marriages, Bonds, etc 15 William Boyd, Abott of Kilwinning (144?-1482) - How did he get appointed? - Why not an Montgomery? 16 Co - founded Glasgow University in 1451? - who were the other Co-founders. 17. Created Lord in 1454? 18. One of six Regents for King James III, 1460? - who were they? 19. Sole Regent 1466 - Why 20 Tanist by James II. 21. Creating modern boundaries for Scotland 22. Boyd links with the Kennedy's in 1460's 23. Fall in 1469 - Who became regents or members of the Privy Council? - who got the ear of King James III? 24. Thomas Boyd Earl of Arran 25. Boyd Lands in April 1467 26. Killing of James Boyd, second Lord Boyd in 1484 - who were involved? 27. Feud between Boyd's and Montgomeries from 1484 to 1560. 28. Why no Boyd's at Flodden in 1513? 29. Why was not Lord Hamilton called Earl of Arran after he married Princess Mary Stewart? 30. Battle of Langside 1568 First Cadet ship list of Boyds W19658VE CLAN BOYD, SECOND EDITION, VOL. 19 11/12/2018 PAGE 3 31. 5th Lord Boyd and Queen Mary of Scots (155x-1587?) 32. Other Topics Covenantors period Dean Castle not listed in the 1691 Hearth Tax list - Why not? Cromwell fining Lord Boyd - why wasn’t money repaid after King restored? - start of financial decline leading to 1746. 1661 Stones at Badenheath Castle/Tower Dr J H Round's paper of 1902, saying Simon is from Alan Fits Flaad's wife's second family (and so Stewart Males will not have the same DNA as Boyds) Not Jacobite’s in 1745 The Boyds are Norman and not Gaelic? I have written up some details that I have under some of these headings. I hope that in time, these and other topic/questions can be added to the History page of the House of Boyd Society webpage, so that they can become the starting point of a dynamic history of our clan. And allow others to add what material they might find to PROVE or DISPROVE, my statements and data that I have found in references. At present we only have a single page on Clan Boyd history, on our webpage, when it should be both generic and under the various Countries that Clan Boyd members migrated to from 1111 A. D. With some of that coming under the “heading” of Myth. (vii) When I was checking something else, I found Beth Gay’s article on electricscotland about the book Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopaedia, by George Way of Plean and Romilly Squire, in the third edition of 2017. Our Genealogical Society, only had the first edition of 1994 – which I copied last week – but I noticed that it a number of errors in regard to Clan Boyd. And our State Library only had the 2nd Edition of it. I think that my daughter will buy me the third edition for Xmas and I was advised by our Genealogical Society, a few days ago, that they will also buy a copy of this book as well. So hopefully, shortly, I can see this third edition to see what it now says about Clan Boyd. Although, I expect that I may have to correspond with Romilly about certain aspects of our Boyd history they have written.
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