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PUBLIC SESSION MINUTES OF ORAL EVIDENCE taken before HIGH SPEED RAIL COMMITTEE On the HIGH SPEED RAIL (LONDON – WEST MIDLANDS) BILL Monday, 26 January 2015 (Afternoon) In Committee Room 5 PRESENT: Mr Robert Syms (Chair) Mr Henry Bellingham Sir Peter Bottomley Ian Mearns Yasmin Qureshi Mr Michael Thornton _____________ IN ATTENDANCE: Mr Timothy Mould, QC, Lead Counsel, Department for Transport Miss Lisa Busch, Junior Counsel, Department for Transport Witnesses: Mr Ian Briggs, Chairman, Long Itchington Parish Council, Mr Christopher Purser, Long Itchington Parish Council Mr Colin Baldwin, Ufton Parish Council Mr John Tayler, Ufton Parish Council Mr Ian Crowther, Ufton Parish Council Dr Dan Mitchell, Deputy Chair, Southam Action Group Mr Andrew Jamieson, Chair, Southam Action Group Dr Bransby Thomas, Southam Town Council Mrs Linda Tasker, Southam Town Council Mr Tim Smart, International Director for High Speed Rail, CH2M Hill Mr Rupert Thornely-Taylor, Managing Director, Rupert Taylor Ltd, acoustics and vibration expert Mr Peter Miller, Head of Environment and Planning, HS2 Ltd _____________ IN PUBLIC SESSION INDEX Subject Page Long Itchington Parish Council Submissions from Mr Briggs 3 Submissions from Mr Purser 6 Submissions from Mr Mould 10 Submissions from Mr Purser 13 Mr Smart, examined by Mr Mould 14 Ufton Parish Council Introduction by Mr Baldwin 21 Submissions from Mr Tayler 22 Submissions from Mr Crowther 25 Submissions from Mr Baldwin 28 Submissions from Mr Mould 30 Southam Town Council. Southam Area Action Committee EG Hancock and R MacPherson Introduction by Dr Mitchell 40 Submissions from Dr Thomas 41 Submissions from Mr Jamieson 44 Submissions from Ms Tasker 50 Further submissions from Dr Thomas 58 Submissions from Dr Mitchell 68 Submissions from Mr Mould 74 Mr Thornely-Taylor, examined by Mr Mould 76 Mr Thornely-Taylor, cross-examined by Dr Thomas 82 Mr Thornely-Taylor, cross-examined by Mr Jamieson 84 Summary from Mr Miller 85 Mr Miller, cross-examined by Dr Mitchell 86 Closing submissions from Mr Mould 90 Andrew Jamieson Submissions from Mr Jamieson 93 2 (At 14.00) 1. CHAIR: Welcome and good afternoon to the HS2 Committee. This afternoon we hear petitions from Southam. Later in the week we start to move into Northants, although on Thursday we hear from Warwickshire Wildlife Trust. Certainly, that is planned at the moment. We still have some of Warwickshire to wrap up next week owing to people’s availability. On that note we understand that coming before the Committee involves inconvenience and disruption to diaries, but we do hope that petitioners will be flexible since petitioning is such an important and one-off event. Month-long holidays and skiing holidays are starting to mess about with our timetable. 2. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: Not ours. 3. CHAIR: No – well, not yet. Long Itchington Parish Council 4. CHAIR: Okay, we start with Long Itchington Parish Council and Mr Christopher Purser. You are a petitioner? 5. MR PURSER: That is very kind. In fact, Ian Briggs, who is the Chairman of Long Itchington Parish Council, is going to kick off and with your permission we will do a double act. 6. CHAIR: We love double acts. 7. MR PURSER: I will follow him. The second half of the parish council will be Purser’s petition as well. 8. CHAIR: Could we have a map to remind us where you are? 9. MR BRIGGS: P3528. Are you happy for me to start? 10. CHAIR: We would be delighted. 11. MR BRIGGS: I just want to say thank you very much indeed to the Chairman and members of the Committee for hearing our petition. It is a very, very strongly felt issue in the community which I am called upon to represent. I think that members of the 3 Committee will be able to see, actually, from the map in front of them that the parish boundary, bounded in red, is quite a sizeable area around the ancient village of Long Itchington but our petition really extends to issues that go outside of the parish boundary. You can see that predominantly it is a rural or semi-rural community. What the map does not show, which I think is material to our deep concerns and our cause for the Committee to impress upon HS2 Limited, is that immediately to the west of the area are the large conurbations of Leamington Spa and Warwick. Many of these ancient B, D and C roads constitute very important longer cross-country community connectivity. 12. I should like to point out that the petition on behalf of Long Itchington falls into three thematic areas. First is the enormous environmental impact brought about actually by the construction and operation of HS2. Secondly, we really want to bring to the attention of the Committee our concerns about the negative social impact that this would bring about, and thirdly it will have potentially quite dire economic consequences, in particular to small enterprises and single operators within the locality. 13. Could we move to slide A726(2), please, just to reinforce some of the background issues which form the basis of our petition, which really is about the huge impacts that there will be to local infrastructure. We are deeply concerned in our community and the surrounding communities about the really pathetic approaches towards engagement with local communities, which is leading to quite severe anxiety being felt across the whole area. I will have to temper that and say that there are people in the community who are strongly supportive of investment in public transportation but who see no benefit to the community actually by HS2 being constructed. There is this lack of sensitivity to environmental damage in the area and, as I have already said, we have an impact on the local economic implications. 14. I would like also to bring to the attention of the Committee that our locality is under enormous pressure from developers. We currently stand as a community of just over 2000 people with a little over 950 houses but there is the very real prospect that during the construction phase, never mind the operating phase of HS2, that the community could indeed quadruple in size as we are appreciating that we are dealing with successive large scale developments, sometimes well in excess of 300 houses, which will all fall into the parish area irrespective of proposed developments around. 15. We can say that at the moment the local infrastructure finds it rather hard to cope 4 with road transport issues and that the potentially significant increase in the local population, the local demographic, compounded by the appearance of the construction of HS2 is one of the great sources of anxiety to the community. 16. Let me just move on very briefly, if I may, to irreparable environmental damage. You have already seen from the map the proposed green tunnel at Long Itchington Wood. We know locally that it is very extensively used as an area of amenity but it is also crucial in terms of the local ecosystem. We believe it to be highly dependent upon particular forms of flora and fauna which are pretty unique to the area. Even a small removal from and disturbance to this area will have very far reaching and really quite severe consequences on the local ecosystem. We will hear a little later on from Christopher about how we hope that the Committee can make impressions upon HS2 Ltd to move towards having some very, very adventurous and useful mitigation towards the loss of this areas, which is an SSSI. 17. Moving on briefly to just reinforcing some of the chronic impact on transportation, and the community connectivity, like many similar rural communities we have quite an aging population. We are quite attractive to people who will retire into the area after living in urban areas. Many people are highly dependent on social support and caring from families and loved ones who live outside the area and are very concerned about whether they will be able to get that care and support with road closures and major disruption to the area. We can see that access to schools is important, and I will again just reinforce the pressure that we have on our local infrastructure, particularly as far as education and health is concerned, given the fact that we will face a potential quadrupling of the population in the area. We cannot see how safe routes to schools and access to schools can be maintained during a period of road closures, construction and so forth. So, the massive impact that we see on the community is a matter of deep concern and pressure is placed upon me and my colleagues on the parish council to present it today to you to reinforce that strength and depth of feeling that exists within our local community. 18. Before I hand over to Christopher I would say that the negative social impact is something which I think is very easy to underestimate. I think that whilst we are actually talking about a lot of the implications for transportation, the cost and costs benefit analysis that has been undertaken and debated long and hard, that does not take 5 into account the fears that some of our local economic partners have, typically our small and medium enterprises such as camping grounds, pubs and restaurants, who are highly dependent, not just on the local community to thrive but actually on a wider community probably existing in a hinterland of maybe 20 or 30 miles around, who may feel that they cannot actually connect with us to sustain those businesses during the period of construction and the subsequent operation of HS2.