An Interview with Fred Hellerman Part II May 26, 2016 in This Interview Fred Is Joined by His Wife, Susan Lardner. Ken Edgar
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An Interview with Fred Hellerman Part II May 26, 2016 In this interview Fred is joined by his wife, Susan Lardner. Ken Edgar: We are now back in Fred Hellerman's living room and we're continuing our conversation with Fred. We are joined today by Susan Lardner, Fred’s wife, who herself has a very interesting background and career. Together they are going to help us remember their lives in Weston, starting in around 1970. Susan, welcome to the show. When we last left our story we had talked about your arrival in Weston and how Harold Leventhal, the Weaver's manager, had purchased a home near Cobb's Mill and was influential in bringing you up here. As a result, you became interested in Weston and eventually bought the house in which we are sitting today. Susan: I checked with one of Harold's daughters and found out that he had bought his house in 1968 and Fred bought this house in 1969. Although Fred had been up here before visiting other people, he had not been in the house purchasing business. Fred Hellerman: Yeah, coming up there for a weekend. I just fell in love with that immediately. It was a very important place for me. Ken: In the summer of 1970, you two were married right here on this property. Fred: From here, yeah, at this house. Susan: Under the tree, by Euclid Shook. [A Weston artist a justice of the peace. –ed.] Ken: The New York Times did a very interesting description of your wedding. Susan: It was written up because we were the vanguard of the new Charlotte Curtis New York Times social page. She decided to jazz it up. [The article, “Susan Elizabeth Lardner Wed to Fred Hellerman” appeared in the August 9, 1970 edition. –ed.] Ken: We were honored [laughs] here in Weston to have been part of that. The description is somewhat colorful. Fred: Oh, it was a wonderful, wonderful wedding. Susan: There were a couple errors in that New York Times story. I won't specify. Fred: Yeah, it was very well described in the newspapers at the time. Ken: Is the rumor that the number of your guests went skinny dipping naked after the wedding, is that factually correct? Susan: No, absolutely not. Harold Leventhal wouldn’t do that. [Harold Leventhal, manager of The Weavers and Fred’s close friend. –ed.] Fred: No. but it a swell wedding. Susan: It was a respectable bunch. Fred: Alan Arkin was there... Susan: That's right, and my uncle and aunt, Ring Lardner Jr. and Francis, and my sister and brother. Fred: We had all kinds of other people there, I can't remember. Ken: How did you know Alan Arkin? Fred: We knew him through his singing. Actually I knew Alan from the time he was living in California. He wasn't an actor then. He wasn't a singer then. He wasn't anything then. He was a 17 year-old or 15 year-old living there. It was just a few years later that he came to New York and you know, the beginning of a... Susan: Was it Almanac Singers, or what group was it? Fred: I'm not exactly sure what he came into, but he did end up at Bennington College because of the drama school up there and they had no male actors. They were all girls, so they needed a male singer, Alan got a job. [laughs] Ken: He was originally a singer? Fred: He was a would-be actor. Susan: At some point in his life he was part of a singing group, The Babysitters. A very successful singing group.1 Ken: You mentioned that your uncle, Ring Lardner Jr., was there also.2 Susan: Yes, they had bought a house over in Stonybrook. It was very nice to have them here.2 Fred: Yes, it was very nice having them here. Susan: They had lived in New Milford for a while during the time he was blacklisted. Fred: That's after he got out of jail. Susan: But they were basically New Yorkers and they moved here. Fred: They moved because we were here and they would come and visit us. They knew a lot of people here, a lot of actors and a lot of people. It was a wonderful place for us to have them here all the time. Ken: You mention that you still miss Ring Jr. Fred: Yes, yes. They were very wonderful people. I played tennis with Ring a lot. Susan: We have a picture out there of the whole family gathering for Ring and Frances' 80th birthday party. Ken: I wanted to go back a little bit with you, Susan, and just trace your steps toward coming here....You had a career of your own. [How did you happen to end up in] Weston with Fred? Susan: I would say the main incentive was that I reached a point in my life when I wanted to have children. I happened to know Fred at that time. [laughter] We had met around '66 or '67 and what with one thing and another, we decided to go for that. Fred wanted sort of an unparalleled thing; that is, to have a country house. He did some looking around, including at some in Stockbridge, where he had worked with Arlo Guthrie on the “Alice’s Restaurant” movie [Fred wrote some of the music and later produced Arlo’s hit record. --ed.] But he eventually started coming down here because of Harold. I was prepared to move. I wanted to have a baby and that was it. I moved here because Fred moved here. We didn't get married for a while because his mother was sick and we were waiting. We were four months pregnant. She was recovered enough so that she could come to the wedding. Anyway, that's how I landed here and sometimes I say, "What am I doing here?" because I still think of myself as a New Yorker. I go to New York. My doctors are in New York. My dentist, my sister. I'm less of a Westonite than Fred is. Ken: Obviously, you were indirectly affected by the blacklisting [because of your brother]. And Fred, of course, was affected big time. Was that a coincidence? Susan: Obviously, Fred and I are generally on the same wavelength politically, but the blacklist is not really a connection. Well, it is a connection, but an accidental one. Ken: Let’s move on to Weston around 1970 when you all joined hands and were here. Tell us a little bit about Weston in that time. For example, Town Center was a little different than it is today. Susan: I don't remember the market at all from those days, but I remember that on the corner, maybe, where the bank is now, there was a beauty parlor and there was a drug store. Who was running it at that time, I can't remember, but the drugstore had a soda fountain. Behind the fountain was Ethel Keene. I think Keene Park over on the river is named after her. [It is. –ed.] The only other thing I remember was the hardware store that was run by two brothers; I don’t think they were twins. Fred: That little field on River Road became a little park. Susan: Playground. Children's playground. Ken: They named it in her honor. Susan: For whatever reason I don't know. I remember her as somebody behind the fountain. Ken: Did you take your kids there? Susan: We did. Fred: We did? Susan: Yeah. Not a lot. Ken: How about the famous Lunch Box? Was that there at that time? Susan: Yes, there was a Lunch Box. The dry cleaner was in a different place. That was where the market is, on the corner across from the liquor store. I remember the beauty parlor because it seems so strange now. [laughter] I never went to it, though. [laughter] Ken: How about Weston schools? Did your kids go to the Weston schools? Susan: Yes, the kids went to Weston schools. The first place we went to was the Westport-Weston Coop, the pre-school at the Unitarian Church. It’s still there. They both went there. With Simeon, when he was three, I had to spend a year in the corner [of his classroom]. He was happy as long as I was just over there in the corner, but I could not leave without creating chaos. It was a great place. And then yes, they did go to the Weston schools until 9th grade. Then we decided, Fred and I, that there was a bigger world out there and that when you become a teenager in Weston, you're pretty limited. We decided that they should go to Andover, which made them quite miserable. Of course, at the age of 12 or so you have a lot of friends and attachments. We had to battle them, but they went, and enjoyed it, and did well. Ken: Were they commuting, or were they boarding? Susan: The boarding school. One of the things I remember about the schools here in Weston was running a carpool. This was I think, either for the nursery school or the elementary. I drove a Volkswagen Beetle. I had four or five children packed into it. I smoked. [laughter] I picked up kids along Good Hill Road, and one on Steep Hill, I remember. I can't remember his name now.