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Crown Copyright Catalogue Reference (c) crown copyright Catalogue Reference:CAB/128/2 Image Reference:0015 THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OP HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GQYERNMEN1 Printed for the Cabinet. December 1945. SECRET. Copy No. CM. (45) 62nd Conclusions. CABINET 62 (45). CONCLUSIONS of a Meeting of the Cabinet held at 10 Downing Street, S.W. 1, on Thursday, 13th December, 1945, at 10 a.m. Present: The Right Hon. C. R. ATTLEE, M.P., Prime Minister (in the Chair). The Right Hon. HERBERT MORRISON, The Right Hon. ERNEST BEVIN, M.P., M.P., Lord President of the Council. Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (except for Item 6). The Right Hon. ARTHUR GREENWOOD, The Right Hon. HUGH DALTON, M.P., M.P., Lord Privy Seal. Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Right Hon. Sir STAFFORD CRIFPS. The Right Hon. A. V. ALEXANDER, K.C., M.P., President of the Board M.P., First Lord of the Admiralty. of Trade. The Right Hon. LORD JOWITT, Lord The Right Hon. J. CHUTER EDE, M.P., Chancellor (Items 1 and 2). Secretary of State for the Home Department (Items 1 and 2). The Right Hon. VISCOUNT ADDISON, The Right Hon. LORD PETHICK- Secretary of State for Dominion LAWRENCE, Secretary of State for Affairs. India and Secretary of State for Burma. The Right Hon. G. H. HALL, M.P., The Right Hon. J. J. LAWSON, M.P., Secretary of State for the Colonies. Secretary of State for War. The Right Hon. G. A. ISAACS, M.P., The Right Hon. E . SHINWELL, M.P., Minister of Labour and National Minister of Fuel and Power. Service. The Right Hon. ELLEN WILKINSON, The Right Hon. ANEURIN BEVAN, M.P., M.P., Minister of Education. Minister of Health. The Right Hon. T. WILLIAMS, M.P., Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries. The following were also present: The Right Hon. JOHN WILMOT, M.P., The Right Hon. ALFRED BARNES, M.P., Minister of Supply and Aircraft Minister of War Transport (Items Production (Items 6-8). 6-8). The Right Hon. JAMES GRIFFITHS, The Right Hon. LORD WINSTER, Minister M.P., Minister of National Insurance of Civil Aviation (Item 8). (Item 2). The EARL OF LISTOWEL, Postmaster- The Right Hon. WILFRED PALING, M.P., General (Item 7). Minister of Pensions (Item 2). Sir HARTLEY SHAWCROSS, K.C., M.P., Sir FRANK SOSKICE, K.C., M.P., Solicitor- Attorney-General (Item 1). General (Item 1). Mr. JOHN STRACHEY, M.P., Parliamen­ The Right Hon. WILLIAM WHITELEY, tary Under-Secretary of State, Air M.P., Parliamentary Secretary, Trea­ Ministry (Items 8-9). sury (Items 1-5). Secretariat. Sir EDWARD BRIDGES. Mr. NORMAN BROOK. Mr. W. S. MURRIE. Mr. C. G. EASTWOOD. CABINET 62 (45). CONTENTS. Minute No. Subject. Page 1 Parliament 309 Crown. Select Committee on Offices of Profit under the 2 National Insurance Scheme .... 309 3 Parliament 312 Business in the House of Commons. 4 Syria and the Lebanon 312 5 Parliament 312 Motions of Gratitude to War Leaders 6 Coal 313 Coal Industry (Nationalisation) Bill. 7 Civil Service 315 Christmas Leave. 8 Civil Aviation .... 315 British Air Services. 9 Service Pay and Allowances .... 316 Parliament. 1. The Cabinet had before them a memorandum by the Lord. Select President (CP. (45) 336) proposing the appointment of a Select Committee Committee to deal with a number of cases in which Members of on Offices Parliament appeared to have exposed themselves to the risk of of Profit disqualification by retaining offices or places of profit. under the The Lord President said that the Lord Chancellor and the Law Crown. Officers had considered these cases and, while they inclined to the (Previous view that the Members were not disqualified, they had felt that the Reference: proper course was to appoint a Select Committee to investigate CM. (45)30th the position. The Committee should be appointed as soon . as Conclusions, possible, as the Members concerned had been advised to abstain from Minute 6.) attending Parliament until the Committee had reported. After consultation with the Clerk of the House, he suggested that the terms of reference of the Select Committee should be as follows :— " That a Select Committee be appointed to consider any cases which may be brought to their notice of Members of this House who may have been incapable of election to this House by reason of the fact that at the time of their election they held offices or places of profit under the Crown within the meaning of Section 24 of the Succession to the Crown Act, 1707, and to report whether any such Member was on that account incapable of election to this House; and if so what course should be adopted in any such case." In discussion there was general support for the proposal that a Select Committee should be appointed to consider these cases and any others which might subsequently come to light. It was, however, suggested that further consideration should be given to the possi­ bility of amending the law so as to bring it into line with modern conditions. Recommendations to this end have been made by the Select Committee on Offices or Places of Profit under the Crown, which had reported in 1941. Was it not desirable that legislation should now be introduced to give effect to those recommendations? The Cabinet­ (1) Authorised the Lord President to make arrangements for the appointment of a Select Committee to investigate particular cases of possible disqualification for election to Parliament by reason of the holding of an office or place of profit under the Crown (2) Invited the Lord Chancellor to consider and report to the Lord Presidents Committee on the possibility of intro­ ducing legislation to implement the recommendations of the Select Committee of 1941 on Offices or Places of Profit under the Crown. National 2. The Cabinet had before them a memorandum by the Lord Insurance Privy Seal (CP. (45) 331) reporting the results of the further Scheme. consideration which had been given, in the light of the Cabinets (Previous discussion on the 6th December, to the problems relating to the Reference: payment of unemployment benefit and the rate of retirement pension. CM. (45)60th j']le i,oT(i Privy Seal said that the Ministers to whom these Conclusions, problems had been referred had not been able to reach complete Mmute 4.) agreement on the question whether there should be a time-limit on the duration of unemployment benefit, and he had, therefore, set out the opposing arguments in paragraph 2 of CP . (45) 331. As regards retirement pensions, they had agreed to recommend a rate of 26s. a week for a single person, on the understanding that any pressure to increase this rate when the Bill was before Parliament would be resolutely resisted, and that the Bill would specifically provide that after a period of five years the rates of contribution would be increased in order to meet some part of the increasing burden of retirement pensions. As a consequence of the higher rate of retire­ ment pension proposed, it had been agreed that the inducement for deferred retirement should be an increase of Is. a week for a single person and 2s. a week for a couple for each six months by which retirement was postponed. Discussion turned primarily on the question whether unemploy­ ment benefit should be continuous or subject to a time-limit. It was urged, on the one hand, that the imposition of an automatic time-limit on the duration of benefit would mean that, after an unemployed man had exhausted his right to insurance benefit, he would receive further payments only after some form of enquiry into his needs. The imposition of such a condition on men who were unemployed for long periods through no fault of their own could not be justified. While, therefore, there might be a good case for transferring the burden of maintaining these men from the Insurance Fund to the Exchequer, this transference should not involve the imposition of a greater disability. The problem of married women, seasonal workers and other classes who could not properly be regarded as within the employment field, could be dealt with separately by regulations, and it was right that it should be so dealt with rather than by the application of an automatic time­ limit to all cases. On the other hand, it was argued that the principle should be maintained that insurance benefit was paid automatically to any claimant who satisfied the necessary conditions, and that if no time­ limit were imposed it would be impossible to maintain this principle. Moreover, while there was possibly room for some amendment of the conditions on which assistance would be given after the right to benefit was exhausted (for example, it might be possible to provide that assistance should be payable at the insurance rate so long as the claimant could prove that he needed any assistance at all), the Cabinet should not accept without further examination the proposi­ tion that after the right to benefit had been exhausted assistance should be payable without any regard whatever to need. After a full discussion, The Prime Minister said that the pre­ ponderant view in the Cabinet was that the National Insurance Bill should provide for a time-limit on the duration of unemployment benefit. At the same time, however, the Social Services Committee should examine further the question of the conditions on which claimants would be entitled to assistance after the exhaustion of their right to benefit, with a view to the submission to the Cabinet of a statement which the Minister of National Insurance might make on this point when the Bill was before Parliament.
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