Tuesday Volume 538 10 January 2012 No. 245

HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD)

Tuesday 10 January 2012

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MEMBERS OF THE CABINET

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PRIME MINISTER,FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY AND MINISTER FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE—The Rt Hon. David Cameron, MP DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL—The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg, MP FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH AFFAIRS—The Rt Hon. William Hague, MP CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER—The Rt Hon. George Osborne, MP LORD CHANCELLOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR JUSTICE—The Rt Hon. Kenneth Clarke, QC, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR DEFENCE—The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR BUSINESS,INNOVATION AND SKILLS—The Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WORK AND PENSIONS—The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE—The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HEALTH—The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley, CBE, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EDUCATION—The Rt Hon. Michael Gove, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT—The Rt Hon. Eric Pickles, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR TRANSPORT—The Rt Hon. Justine Greening, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ENVIRONMENT,FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS—The Rt Hon. Caroline Spelman, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT—The Rt Hon. Andrew Mitchell, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND—The Rt Hon. Owen Paterson, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR SCOTLAND—The Rt Hon. Michael Moore, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WALES—The Rt Hon. Cheryl Gillan, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR CULTURE,OLYMPICS,MEDIA AND SPORT—The Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt, MP CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY—The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander, MP LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER—The Rt Hon. Lord Strathclyde MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO—The Rt Hon. Baroness Warsi

DEPARTMENTS OF STATE AND MINISTERS Business, Innovation and Skills— SECRETARY OF STATE AND PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRADE—The Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. David Willetts, MP (Minister for Universities and Science) John Hayes, MP (Minister for Further Education, Skills and Lifelong Learning) § Mark Prisk, MP The Rt Hon. Greg Clark, MP § Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint (Minister for Trade and Investment) PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Edward Davey, MP Edward Vaizey, MP § Baroness Wilcox Cabinet Office— MINISTER FOR THE CABINET OFFICE AND PAYMASTER GENERAL—The Rt Hon. Francis Maude, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Oliver Letwin, MP PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARIES— Mark Harper, MP Nick Hurd, MP Communities and Local Government— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Eric Pickles, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Greg Clark, MP § The Rt Hon. Grant Shapps, MP (Minister for Housing and Local Government) PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Andrew Stunell, OBE, MP Robert Neill, MP Baroness Hanham, CBE ii HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont.

Culture, Media and Sport— SECRETARY OF STATE FOR CULTURE,OLYMPICS,MEDIA AND SPORT—The Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— John Penrose, MP Hugh Robertson, MP (Minister for Sport and the Olympics) Edward Vaizey, MP § Defence— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond, MP MINISTER OF STATE—Nick Harvey, MP (Minister for the Armed Forces) PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Gerald Howarth, MP The Rt Hon. Andrew Robathan, MP Peter Luff, MP Lord Astor of Hever, DL Duchy of Lancaster— LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER—The Rt Hon. Lord Strathclyde Education— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Michael Gove, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Sarah Teather, MP Nick Gibb, MP John Hayes, MP (Minister for Further Education, Skills and Lifelong Learning) § PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Tim Loughton, MP Lord Hill of Oareford Energy and Climate Change— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Charles Hendry, MP Gregory Barker, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—Lord Marland Environment, Food and Rural Affairs— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Caroline Spelman, MP MINISTER OF STATE— The Rt Hon. James Paice, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Richard Benyon, MP Lord Taylor of Holbeach, CBE Foreign and Commonwealth Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. William Hague, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Jeremy Browne, MP The Rt Hon. David Lidington, MP (Minister for Europe) The Rt Hon. Lord Howell of Guildford PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Henry Bellingham, MP Alistair Burt, MP Government Equalities Office— MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP § MINISTER FOR EQUALITIES—Lynne Featherstone, MP § Health— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley, CBE, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Paul Burstow, MP Simon Burns, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Anne Milton, MP Earl Howe Home Office— SECRETARY OF STATE AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP § MINISTERS OF STATE— Damian Green, MP (Minister for Immigration) The Rt Hon. Nick Herbert, MP (Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice) § Lord Henley (Minister for Crime Prevention and Antisocial Behaviour Reduction) PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Lynne Featherstone, MP (Minister for Equalities) § James Brokenshire, MP HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont. iii

International Development— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Andrew Mitchell, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Alan Duncan, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—Stephen O’Brien, MP Justice— LORD CHANCELLOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Kenneth Clarke, QC, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Lord McNally The Rt Hon. Nick Herbert, MP (Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice) § PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Crispin Blunt, MP Jonathan Djanogly, MP Law Officers— ATTORNEY-GENERAL—The Rt Hon. Dominic Grieve, QC, MP SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Edward Garnier, QC, MP ADVOCATE-GENERAL FOR SCOTLAND—The Rt Hon. Lord Wallace of Tankerness, QC Leader of the House of Commons— LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND LORD PRIVY SEAL—The Rt Hon. Sir George Young, MP PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY—David Heath, CBE, MP Northern Ireland— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Owen Paterson, MP MINISTER OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Hugo Swire, MP Privy Council Office— DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL—The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg, MP Scotland Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Michael Moore, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. David Mundell, MP Transport— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Justine Greening, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Theresa Villiers, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Norman Baker, MP Mike Penning, MP Treasury— PRIME MINISTER,FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY AND MINISTER FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE—The Rt Hon. David Cameron, MP CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER—The Rt Hon. George Osborne, MP CHIEF SECRETARY—The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander, MP FINANCIAL SECRETARY—Mark Hoban, MP EXCHEQUER SECRETARY—David Gauke, MP ECONOMIC SECRETARY—Chloe Smith, MP COMMERCIAL SECRETARY—Lord Sassoon PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY—The Rt Hon. Patrick McLoughlin, MP LORDS COMMISSIONERS— Michael Fabricant, MP Angela Watkinson, MP Jeremy Wright, MP Brooks Newmark, MP James Duddridge, MP ASSISTANT WHIPS— Philip Dunne, MP Stephen Crabb, MP Robert Goodwill, MP Shailesh Vara, MP Bill Wiggin, MP Norman Lamb, MP Mark Hunter, MP Greg Hands, MP iv HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont.

Wales Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Cheryl Gillan, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—David Jones, MP Work and Pensions— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Chris Grayling, MP Steve Webb, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Maria Miller, MP Lord Freud Her Majesty’s Household— LORD CHAMBERLAIN—The Rt Hon. Earl Peel, GCVO, DL LORD STEWARD—The Earl of Dalhousie MASTER OF THE HORSE—Lord Vestey, KCVO TREASURER—The Rt Hon. John Randall, MP COMPTROLLER—The Rt Hon. Alistair Carmichael, MP VICE-CHAMBERLAIN—The Rt Hon. Mark Francois, MP CAPTAIN OF THE HONOURABLE CORPS OF GENTLEMEN-AT-ARMS—The Rt Hon. Baroness Anelay of St Johns, DBE CAPTAIN OF THE QUEEN’S BODYGUARD OF THE YEOMEN OF THE GUARD—The Rt Hon. Lord Shutt of Greetland, OBE BARONESSES IN WAITING—Baroness Garden of Frognal, Baroness Northover, Baroness Rawlings, Baroness Stowell, Baroness Verma LORDS IN WAITING—Earl Attlee, Lord De Mauley, TD, Lord Wallace of Saltaire

§ Members of the Government listed under more than one Department

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THE SPEAKER—The Rt Hon. John Bercow, MP

CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—Lindsay Hoyle, MP FIRST DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—Nigel Evans, MP SECOND DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—The Rt Hon. Dawn Primarolo, MP

PANEL OF CHAIRS Mr David Amess, MP, Hugh Bayley, MP, Mr Joe Benton, MP, Mr Clive Betts, MP, Mr Peter Bone, MP, Mr Graham Brady, MP, Annette Brooke, MP, Martin Caton, MP, Mr Christopher Chope, MP, Katy Clark, MP, Mr David Crausby, MP, Philip Davies, MP, Jim Dobbin, MP, Nadine Dorries, MP, Sir Roger Gale, MP, Mr James Gray, MP, Mr Mike Hancock, MP, Mr Dai Havard, MP, Mr Philip Hollobone, MP, Mr Jim Hood, MP, The Rt Hon. George Howarth, MP, Mr Edward Leigh, MP, Dr William McCrea, MP, Miss Anne McIntosh, MP, Mrs Anne Main, MP, Sir Alan Meale, MP, Sandra Osborne, MP, Albert Owen, MP, Mrs Linda Riordan, MP, John Robertson, MP, Andrew Rosindell, MP, Mr Lee Scott, MP, Jim Sheridan, MP, Mr Gary Streeter, MP, Mr Andrew Turner, MP, Mr Charles Walker, MP, Mr Mike Weir, MP, Hywel Williams, MP SECRETARY—Simon Patrick

HOUSE OF COMMONS COMMISSION The Rt Hon. The Speaker (Chairman), Sir Paul Beresford, MP, Mr Frank Doran, MP, Ms Angela Eagle, MP, John Thurso, MP, The Rt Hon. Sir George Young, MP SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION—Dorian Gerhold ASSISTANT SECRETARY—Joanna Dodd

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LIAISON COMMITTEE The Rt Hon. Sir Alan Beith, MP (Chair), Mr Graham Allen, MP, The Rt Hon. James Arbuthnot, MP, Mr Adrian Bailey, MP, The Rt Hon. Kevin Barron, MP, Dame Anne Begg, MP, Mr Clive Betts, MP, The Rt Hon. Malcolm Bruce, MP, Mr William Cash, MP, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, MP, Mr Ian Davidson, MP, DavidTCDavies, MP, The Rt Hon. Stephen Dorrell, MP, Mrs Louise Ellman, MP, Natascha Engel, MP, Dr Hywel Francis, MP, The Rt Hon. Sir Alan Haselhurst, MP, The Rt Hon. Margaret Hodge, MP, Mr Bernard Jenkin, MP, The Rt Hon. Greg Knight, MP, Miss Anne McIntosh, MP, Andrew Miller, MP, Mr George Mudie, MP, Richard Ottaway, MP, Mr Laurence Robertson, MP, Mr Graham Stuart, MP, Mr Robert Syms, MP, John Thurso, MP, Mr Andrew Tyrie, MP, The Rt Hon. Keith Vaz, MP, Joan Walley, MP, Mr John Whittingdale, MP, Mr Tim Yeo, MP CLERKS—Andrew Kennon, Philippa Helme

MANAGEMENT BOARD Robert Rogers (Clerk of the House and Chief Executive), David Natzler (Clerk Assistant and Director General, Chamber and Committee Services), John Pullinger (Director General, Information Services), Andrew Walker (Director General, HR and Change), John Borley, CB (Director General, Facilities), Myfanwy Barrett (Director of Finance), Joan Miller (Director of Parliamentary ICT) (External Member), Alex Jablonowski (External Member) SECRETARY OF THE MANAGEMENT BOARD—Matthew Hamlyn

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10 January 2012

THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT

IN THE FIRST SESSION OF THE FIFTY-FIFTH PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND [WHICH OPENED 18 MAY 2010]

SIXTIETH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH II

SIXTH SERIES VOLUME 538 TWENTY-NINTH VOLUME OF SESSION 2010-2012

great work for patients and the hospital. What financial House of Commons assistance is available to hospitals to support these volunteering projects? Tuesday 10 January 2012 Paul Burstow: I very much agree with the hon. Lady about the need for NHS trusts to consider their stance The House met at half-past Two o’clock on volunteering. Indeed, I suspect Members of all parties have visited hospitals and worked with friends organisations over the Christmas period and have seen PRAYERS the good work that volunteers do in our hospitals. Our aim is to make sure that NHS trusts and commissioners [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] of health and social care have the tools and information they need to make good judgments about investing in volunteering. That was the purpose of the volunteering Oral Answers to Questions strategy that we published last year. Graeme Morrice (Livingston) (Lab): We all recognise the huge contribution that volunteers make to the NHS, so will the Minister take this opportunity to recognise HEALTH the contribution of Clive Peedell, the co-chair of the NHS Consultants Association, who is taking part in The Secretary of State was asked— Bevan’s run today, highlighting concerns among the medical profession about the impact of the dreadful Health and Social Care Bill? Hospital Volunteers

1. Mary Macleod (Brentford and Isleworth) (Con): Paul Burstow: I would certainly wish that gentleman What his policy is on the use of volunteers in hospitals. well with his run. I am sure that the contribution he [88266] makes through that charitable act is one that will stand us all in good stead in due course. The Minister of State, Department of Health (Paul Burstow): The coalition Government recognise the Sir Bob Russell (Colchester) (LD): Is there a conflict tremendous contribution that volunteers play in enhancing between the big society, volunteers and localism if major quality and experience in health and social care, including retail stores are brought into hospitals to the detriment within hospitals. We are working with partners, including of friends organisations? the National Association of Voluntary Service Managers, to strengthen this role during service reform. Paul Burstow: My hon. Friend raises an important point. I am aware that it is a matter of concern that over Mary Macleod: Mr Speaker, may I wish you and the a number of years some hospitals have chosen not to House a very happy and healthy new year? use the WRVS or friends organisations’ services. These I thank the Minister for his response. I recently attended decisions have to be made by local NHS trust boards, the local volunteering awards in the West Middlesex but the purpose of the strategy we published last year is hospital in my constituency. Almost 400 volunteers do very much to make sure that when the boards make 3 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 4 these decisions they are focused on the benefits—the with the industry the shape of value-based pricing from benefits of volunteering for the volunteer, the organisation January 2014, the purpose being to ensure that we fund and the patients. the value associated with new medicines: the therapeutic value to patients, the innovative value—which will highlight Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op): the UK as a base for research and development—and What is the Minister’s assessment of the number of the societal value. unpaid interns working in the NHS? Paediatric Cardiac Services Paul Burstow: As far as I am aware, no assessment has been made to analyse the number of unpaid interns. What is very clear, however, is that when NHS organisations 3. Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con): If he will are using people to provide services as volunteers, that take steps to ensure that the safe and sustainable review is clearly separate from what would be regarded as paid of paediatric cardiac services is fully inclusive. [88268] employment. That is clear in the strategy we set out last year and clear in the advice and guidance provided by The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon the Cabinet Office as well. Burns): The review of children’s congenital heart services is a clinically led NHS review, independent of Government. Access to Drugs In conducting it, the Joint Committee of Primary Care Trusts has aimed to be as inclusive as possible in relation 2. Graham Evans (Weaver Vale) (Con): What recent to all issues. representations he has received on access by NHS patients to drugs invented and developed in UK Jason McCartney: The Minister will be aware that laboratories; and if he will make a statement. [88267] the review has been called into question because the consultation has not encompassed other medical conditions The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): such as respiratory problems. Will he intervene so that a Representations received have strongly supported the consensus approach can now be taken? Government’s “Strategy for UK Life Sciences”, which was published on 5 September. Speeding up clinical Mr Burns: As I have said, the review is clinically led trials approval, enabling the unique NHS clinical databanks and independent of Government, and I am afraid that to support research, the early adoption of new medicines it would not be appropriate for me, or my colleagues, to and other initiatives will bring NHS patients the fullest intervene. Moreover, the review is the subject of legal benefit from innovation and will promote growth in proceedings. It will be for the Joint Committee of Primary UK biosciences. Care Trusts, on behalf of local commissioners, to decide the future pattern of children’s heart services on the Graham Evans: What steps are being taken towards basis of the best available evidence. closer collaboration between the NHS, industry and our world-class universities to drive improvement and Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West) (LD): It seems innovation in the NHS for the benefit of current and nonsensical to deal with the provision of surgical services future NHS patients? for adult and child congenital cardiac patients in separate reviews. Given the delay in the review of children’s Mr Lansley: I am grateful to my hon. Friend. He services, does the Minister not agree that it is time to rightly highlights an area where we are clear that innovation consider including them in the forthcoming review of can be considerably supported, and not only by the adult services? academic health science centres, which were established under the last Government. As the life sciences strategy set out in early September made clear, we want to create Mr Burns: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for academic health science networks across the NHS so his suggestion, but I am afraid that I do not share his that higher education, industry and the NHS can work view. As he knows, there will be a review of adult together to bring about the greatest possible innovation services, but it has always been considered most appropriate to the benefit of patients. to deal with paediatric cardiac services before adult care, and that is what we will continue to do. Mr Kevin Barron (Rother Valley) (Lab): The current pharmaceutical price regulation scheme is able to recognise Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con): Although the fact that pharmaceutical companies based here and the paediatric heart unit at Southampton general hospital developing drugs here should be paid a little bit more is rated the best in the country outside London, it was for their drugs by the NHS on the basis of their worth included in only one of four options under the review. for the general economy. Will the Secretary of State tell In the past, the Minister has helpfully hinted he might us whether his proposals for value-based prices will not be confined to considering only those four options. affect that? Can he expand on that?

Mr Lansley: The right hon. Gentleman will be aware Mr Burns: I can expand on it by saying that it will not that the existing PPRS does not in any sense directly be me who considers the options. As I have told my fund innovation in the United Kingdom. Although it hon. Friend before, this is an independent review. However, takes account of expenditure on innovation, it cannot as he suggests, the JCPCT may decide on four, six or identify that expenditure in the United Kingdom as a seven possible sites. It all depends on what the consultation beneficiary through pharmaceutical pricing. As the right produces, and the clinical decision on what is the most hon. Gentleman knows, we are continuing to discuss appropriate number of sites, which will happen eventually. 5 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 6

I congratulate my hon. Friend on his championing of the scope of the cancer drugs fund to include such Southampton general hospital as the local Member of drugs that are critical in cancer patients’ care, in addition Parliament. to their other uses?

Cancer Drugs Fund Mr Lansley: I should be grateful if my hon. Friend would write to me about that. The cancer drugs fund is focused on an identified lack of access to cancer medicines, 4. Mr David Evennett (Bexleyheath and Crayford) but if a drug is of particular benefit to a cancer patient, (Con): What recent representations he has received on such as in the instance he describes, it should be possible access to the cancer drugs fund; and if he will make a for SHA panels to include it within the scope of the statement. [88269] fund. The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): Valerie Vaz (Walsall South) (Lab): Will the Secretary We have received a number of supportive representations of State confirm whether those receiving treatment regarding the cancer drugs fund. Indeed, the Rarer under the cancer drugs fund will also be guaranteed Cancers Foundation recently praised the fund for making treatment under the new scheme? additional cancer drugs available to almost 10,000 patients in England since October 2010. It contrasted that access to medicines in England with the lack of such access in Mr Lansley: The intention is that from January 2014 Wales. as new medicines are introduced through the value-based pricing system, the reimbursement price in the NHS will reflect their value and therefore, by extension, they Mr Evennett: My right hon. Friend has cited the view will all be available through the NHS. of the Rarer Cancers Foundation. Does he agree that this policy has put patients and doctors back at the heart of decision making, and has transformed the Access to Drugs ability of cancer patients to obtain clinically effective treatment so that they can gain precious extra time with 5. Stephen Metcalfe (South Basildon and East Thurrock) their families? (Con): What steps he is taking to ensure drugs approved by the National Institute for Health and Mr Lansley: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. In Clinical Excellence are made available to all patients in the summer of 2010, we learnt from Sir Mike Richards’s the NHS. [88270] review that patients in this country were less likely to have access to the latest cancer medicines within five The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): years of their introduction than those in many other The NHS is required to fund drugs and technologies European countries. I am proud that so far the coalition recommended in NICE technology appraisals, in line Government have been able, through the cancer drugs with the NHS constitution. The NHS chief executive’s fund, to help 10,000 patients to gain access to the latest report “Innovation, Health and Wealth” sets out plans cancer medicines. for the introduction of a compliance regime to ensure rapid and consistent implementation of NICE technology Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): I thank the Minister appraisal recommendations throughout the NHS. for that response. Last year, Cancer Research UK revealed that cancer deaths were down 20% since 1985 and Stephen Metcalfe: I greatly welcome the Government’s survival rates have doubled in the last 40 years. Does the recent announcement on swift and proper implementation Minister agree that we must continue to research proactively of NICE guidance that allows patients access to innovative and thereby continue to reduce deaths and ensure continuity treatments. In order for cost-effective treatments to of life? secure NICE guidance approval, in the first instance will the Secretary of State ensure that NICE’s methodology Mr Lansley: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, review reinforces the importance of appraisal appropriately and he is absolutely right about that, of course. He will reflecting clinical practice when assessing new treatments? also be aware that Cancer Research UK highlighted not only the progress that had been made, but the variation Mr Lansley: I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who in progress on different cancers. Harking back to the clearly understands that NICE is responsible for the earlier point about innovation, we must focus on how methods it uses in the development of its guidance and some of these innovations will enable us to deliver that it is undertaking a review of its appraisal methods. improved survival rates for specific cancers, and I announced I expect that that will be published for consultation this last month that we would be funding additional scanner year. NICE should issue final guidance only after careful facilities in this country—proton beam therapy scanning consideration of the evidence and public consultation interventions—in order to enable some of the most with stakeholders, including patient and professional difficult cancers, such as brain cancers in children, to be groups. treated in this country effectively. John Healey (Wentworth and Dearne) (Lab): It is Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD): A cancer patient sometimes hard to follow the Secretary of State as he in my constituency faces an avoidable further round of can get lost in his own jargon. Just to be clear: if NICE chemotherapy having waited for the strategic health says that a drug should be available to patients on the authority to make an individual funding request decision NHS wherever they live and whatever their clinical on the drug Plerixafor, which is not included in the commissioning group, will they get it? Can he give that cancer drugs fund. Will the Minister consider broadening guarantee today? 7 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 8

Mr Lansley: The right hon. Gentleman knows perfectly Fuel Poverty well that that did not happen under the last Government. The NHS chief executive’s innovation report of early 6. Nick Smith (Blaenau Gwent) (Lab): What discussions December made it clear that we will make certain that he has had with ministerial colleagues on the effects of when NICE gives a positive appraisal for a medicine, fuel poverty on health. [88271] it is automatically included in formularies, and also that we will establish an effective compliance regime in The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health respect of NICE appraisals and establish a new NICE (Anne Milton): I and my officials have worked closely implementation collaborative to make it happen. As the with the Department of Energy and Climate Change on right hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well, the legislation the development and implementation of the cold weather is clear: when NICE gives a positive appraisal, a medicine plan for England, which aims to reduce the health should be available across the NHS. That was not impacts of cold weather on vulnerable people. We have achieved under his Government. We will achieve that, also put £30 million into the warm homes healthy and the NHS chief executive is setting out to show how people fund to fund local authority projects to reduce that will happen in the future. the impact of cold weather.

Mr Marcus Jones (Nuneaton) (Con): Under the current Nick Smith: The Marmot report confirmed that cold regime of primary care trust commissioning, my homes are bad for our health. My local newspaper has constituents in Warwickshire often complain to me that highlighted the case of a low-income working family drugs approved by NICE are not always available locally who have to choose between food and heat every day, but are available in neighbouring commissioning areas. with no help from their energy provider. Will the Minister What steps are being taken to ensure that new NHS ensure that energy companies do more to tackle fuel commissioning boards and local commissioning groups poverty, so that the NHS does not have to foot the bill promote the NHS constitution and the right of patients for their profit? to access NICE-approved drugs? Anne Milton: As I said, my colleagues in DECC are Mr Lansley: My hon. Friend makes exactly the right working closely with the energy companies. I point out point, in that what the last Government said happened to the hon. Gentleman that this coalition Government did not happen: such medicines were not available, and are the first to put in place the cold weather plan to there was a postcode lottery in accessing many of them. reduce those 27,000 excess winter deaths. Perhaps his That, among other reasons, is why the chief executive of local paper would like to contact the Welsh Assembly the NHS published his report, which will introduce the Government to see what they are doing. NICE compliance strategy. We will require all NICE technology appraisals to be incorporated automatically Dr Daniel Poulter (Central Suffolk and North Ipswich) in the local drug formularies, and the NICE implementation (Con): Fuel poverty clearly shows the link between collaboration will support the prompt implementation housing, health care and well-being. Last week, the of NICE guidance. Prime Minister called for a merger of health and social care. Does the Minister agree with me that if we are to have a true merger of health and social care, housing— Fiona Mactaggart (Slough) (Lab): Last week in my through health and wellbeing boards and other constituency, a community pharmacist refused to issue mechanisms—has to be a key ingredient of that? a blind patient with dosage packs unless they paid an additional fee. What redress will such patients have in Anne Milton: Of course, my hon. Friend is absolutely the newly reorganised NHS regarding actions such as right that the integration of health and social care is this by community pharmacists, which in my view are critical, particularly for issues such as this. The changes against the Disability Discrimination Act? we are making to public health and the movement of public health into local authorities will only ensure better Mr Lansley: I should be grateful if the hon. Lady integration, so that we can reduce those 27,000 excess wrote to me about that case and gave me the opportunity deaths. to look at it, which I would be pleased to do. From my point of view, we do not countenance such requirements, Suicide Prevention through charging, denying patients access to any NHS treatment. 7. Mrs Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) (Lab): What research his Department has undertaken on the prevention of suicide. [88272] David Tredinnick (Bosworth) (Con): In addition to approving drugs, NICE has also approved acupuncture The Minister of State, Department of Health (Paul for lower back pain. Should this not be widely available Burstow): The Department of Health funds the national on the health service now? confidential inquiry into suicide and homicide by people with mental illness. The Department is funding an Mr Lansley: Of course, my hon. Friend will know investigation of self-harm, and the National Institute very well that choice of treatment is a shared decision for Health Research is funding a range of further research between patients and their clinicians. NICE appraisals relevant to suicide prevention. are about whether treatments are available in the NHS and giving information to clinicians about their relative Mrs Moon: The Minister will be aware that core clinical and cost-effectiveness, not prescribing that funding for research into the causes, effects and geographical treatments should be available in specific circumstances. spread of suicide and its frequent precursor, self-harm, 9 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 10 is essential. More than 200,000 people present at accident Fiona Bruce: I thank the Secretary of State for that and emergency with self-harm. I am very concerned to reply, and indeed innovative schemes in my constituency hear that the ongoing funding for the multi-centre study and across the Cheshire East council area, such as of self-harm is potentially at risk. Will he agree to meet DemenShare, are already using this technology. But me and the research project leads to discuss this and what other schemes and advances will the Government ensure that that research continues? introduce for an area that has the highest level of elderly people per population head in the north-west of Paul Burstow: The hon. Lady chairs the all-party England and where the number of over-65s will grow by group on suicide and self-harm prevention. She does a 50% and the number of over-85s is set to more than lot of important work in this House in that regard, and double by 2025? I would be only too happy to talk to her about research priorities in this area. The Government are examining Mr Lansley: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for her the research priorities to support the new strategy, question. She rightly talks about this increasing number which we plan to publish in the near future. of older people in the community and rightly says that we want to support them to be independent and to improve their quality of life. Mr James Gray (North Wiltshire) (Con): I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon), who has The whole system demonstrator programme was the done fantastic work on the prevention of suicide. It is largest trial of telehealth systems anywhere in the world. not the Department of Health’s job to regulate the In the three pilot areas of Kent, Cornwall and Newham, worldwide web, but what work has the Department it demonstrated a reduction in mortality among older done on examining the link between the watching of people of 45%; a 21% reduction in emergency admissions; violent websites—and, indeed, looking at websites that a 24% reduction in planned admissions to hospital; and promote or facilitate suicide—and the actual carrying a 15% reduction in emergency department visits. Those out of suicide? are dramatic benefits, which is why we are so determined to ensure, over the next five years, that we reach out to older people who are living at home with long-term Paul Burstow: My hon. Friend makes a very important conditions and improve their quality of life in this way. point, which has been raised by a number of charities, including Papyrus, during the consultation on the draft Group B Streptococcus strategy. It is important to stress that the internet industry has been willing to engage in positive initiatives, not the least of which is Facebook and Google’s work with the 9. Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): If he will Samaritans to make sure that whenever anyone types in consider proposals to introduce a national screening “suicide” a link to the Samaritans always appears first. programme to detect group B streptococcus in pregnant However, more needs to be done and we need the women. [88274] industry to tackle those darker sides of the internet to make sure that they do not prey on vulnerable people The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and do not peddle suicide. (Anne Milton): The UK National Screening Committee is reviewing the evidence for screening for group B streptococcus carriage in pregnant women, and I am Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South) (Lab): Given sure that my hon. Friend will be pleased to hear about the crucial role that the chief coroner was to have had that. The committee will review the international literature, in monitoring and advising the Department of Health and a public consultation on the results will open in on the incidence of suicide across the nation, will the spring 2012. Minister liaise with the Lord Chancellor to ensure that a chief coroner is appointed speedily and that powers Mr Hollobone: Group B streptococcus is the UK’s are put in place quickly to make sure that this work can most common cause of life-threatening infection for be done? newborn babies. Will my hon. Friend agree to meet me and Group B Strep Support, the excellent campaign Paul Burstow: I will certainly pass on the hon. Gentleman’s group, to see how calls for a national screening programme request. might best be advanced?

Telecare and Telehealth Services (Congleton) Anne Milton: I am certainly happy to meet my hon. Friend. I should point out that the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists is updating its guidelines 8. Fiona Bruce (Congleton) (Con): When he expects and that NICE is also developing guidance. The issue is residents in Congleton constituency to benefit from complex, however, and even testing is not 100% effective. investment in telehealth and telecare services by the Women who produce a positive result during pregnancy NHS. [88273] might be negative during labour and, more importantly, those who are negative during pregnancy might be The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): positive during labour. It is important that we get the I am pleased to say that patients in Congleton who have most up-to-date evidence and ensure that we reduce the health conditions such as heart failure or chronic respiratory tragic consequences of this infection. disease can already benefit from these technologies. I am committed to supporting the use of telehealth and Dame Joan Ruddock (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab): I telecare services by working with industry to improve welcome the Minister’s statement, but may I urge her to the lives of 3 million people across the country who are consider carefully the kind of testing, as the false negatives living at home with long-term conditions. and positives to which she refers come with the current 11 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 12 testing and there are better tests? About 340 babies are Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish) (Lab): Figures affected every year of which one in 10 dies and one in revealed to the Opposition under freedom of information five is permanently disabled. This is a very serious procedures show that GPs will receive up to £115 an matter and I hope she will do all she can to deal with it. hour for commissioning health care services on top of their existing salary. It makes no sense at all to take GPs Anne Milton: I will certainly do all I can to deal with away from patient care to become part-time accountants. it. As the right hon. Lady says, the consequences are When the NHS needs every penny it can get, patients tragic but this is a complex area that has changed quite will be astounded to hear that the Government plan to rapidly. I think the US is now at a similar level of pay GPs twice. This comes at a time when 48,000 nursing infection to us, but what remains a challenge is ensuring posts are being axed and £3.5 billion is being set aside that we have an effective test that does not produce false for the Minister’s bureaucratic upheaval. Will he now positive or, more seriously, false negative results and accept that the NHS can ill afford for money to be that we have effective treatment that works in 100% of wasted on a top-down reorganisation that few want? Is cases. it not now time for him to scrap the Bill?

NHS Reorganisation Cost Mr Burns: It is nice that the hon. Gentleman got the mantra in at the end—I have been expecting it all 10. Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak) (Lab): through this Question Time. He is wrong; what is important What recent estimate he has made of the cost to the and what this modernisation has at its heart is the need public purse of NHS reorganisation. [88275] for GPs to commission care for patients, because GPs are best equipped to know the needs of their patients. The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon That is the way forward. Also, we are cutting bureaucracy Burns): The cost of the NHS modernisation is estimated and administration by 45% so that we can reinvest that to be between £1.2 billion and £1.3 billion. That will money in front-line services. We want to spend money save £4.5 billion over this Parliament, and £1.5 billion on health care and on improving outcomes, not on per year thereafter. We will reinvest every penny saved managers and bureaucracy. in front-line services. John Pugh (Southport) (LD): May I congratulate the Steve McCabe: I am grateful for that answer. The Secretary of State and the Prime Minister on the productive Minister will be aware that the figure he has given is ward initiative? The NHS document “Top Tips for about half what the primary care trusts believe they are spreading The Productive Ward” says: required to keep back to fund the reorganisation: they “Set a realistic time scale. Take your time and do not rush. put it at £3.4 billion. Given his answer today, will he Take small steps and complete them before moving on to the write to South Birmingham primary care trust to tell it next.” that it no longer has to hold back £25 million for that Is this advice generally applicable to NHS reform? purpose and that it can use that money to cut the 18-week waiting list, which has risen by 36% since he Mr Burns: As the hon. Gentleman recognised at the assumed office? beginning of his question, this is important and excellent advice for nurses and other health care professionals to Mr Burns: May I say, in the nicest possible way, that I give care, consideration and attention to all patients so think the hon. Gentleman is a tiny bit confused? I think that they can be looked after in an appropriate and he is confusing the one-off costs of the modernisation caring way. That is the way forward to making the with the 2% hold-back figures used by the PCTs, which health service more responsive to the needs of patients put aside money—a process instigated by the right hon. and to the improvement of health outcomes. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham), which we carried on—that can be used if a PCT gets into financial Seema Malhotra (Feltham and Heston) (Lab/Co-op): problems. If it does not get into financial problems, it What assessment has the Minister made of the impact can then use the money to invest in front-line services. of the NHS reorganisation on waiting times?

Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con): The Mr Burns: The hon. Lady raises an extremely important Conservative-led coalition should be congratulated on point. The whole purpose of the modernisation of the introducing a measure that will get rid of red tape and NHS is to enable it to meet the challenges of an ageing bureaucracy by getting rid of strategic health authorities population, an increased drugs bill and new medical and primary care trusts. Do the Labour Opposition not procedures, so that we can ensure that patients get their look like dinosaurs when they try to defend those treatments, within the responsibilities of the NHS bodies? constitution, and do not have to wait undue lengths of time for treatment. Mr Burns: I am very grateful to my hon. Friend and I am always reassured when he congratulates the coalition Health and Social Care Bill Government, as it suggests to me that we are getting something right. My hon. Friend is absolutely right. As 11. Chris Ruane (Vale of Clwyd) (Lab): What recent everyone who understands health policy in this country representations he has received on the Health and recognises, the NHS must evolve to meet changing Social Care Bill. [88276] needs and we are improving effectiveness and efficiency and saving money by cutting out administration and The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon bureaucracy so that we can reinvest in front-line services Burns): The Government have listened to representations to look after the health interests of all our constituents. throughout the passage of the Health and Social Care 13 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 14

Bill. In addition to the consultation on the White Paper, Mr Burns: May I say a happy new year to the right the NHS Future Forum has undertaken two engagement hon. Gentleman as well? I believe that his analysis of exercises. The first involved 6,700 people directly and the support for the Bill is flawed, because there are a received more than 28,000 comments and e-mails, and number of areas where a number of organisations the second involved more than 12,000 people at more warmly welcome its contents. For example, the BMA than 300 events. Ministers have also continued to meet voted in favour of GP commissioning at its special and to receive representations from a range of interested general meeting last year. parties on a regular basis, and we will continue to do so. On the question of 49%, the shadow Secretary of State has been uncharacteristically forgetful, because of Chris Ruane: I thank the Minister for that response. course he will appreciate that the cap applies only to May I ask what specific representations he has had on foundation trusts, not to non-foundation trusts, and children’s well-being? Is he aware that the Children’s that is no different today from what it will be after the Society will this Thursday publish its 2012 “Good modernisation—and it was a policy that his Government Childhood” report, which will include a specific report brought in. on how central and local government could improve and promote positive well-being among children? Will Andy Burnham: No, it was not. That policy would the Minister and the Secretary of State meet the Children’s never, ever have come forward under a Labour Society to discuss that important report? Government—and I know that the right hon. Gentleman has not denied it. We, the Opposition, will now make it Mr Burns: Throughout the consultation process there our business to tell every single patient in England have been comments and responses to proposals across about his plans for the NHS. People can finally see the the whole of the health area, including on children’s Bill for what it is: a privatisation plan for the NHS. health and well-being. Obviously, I cannot comment on England’s hospitals will never be the same again if the a report that will not be published until later this week, Bill gets through: an explosion of private work; longer but I or one of my ministerial colleagues would be more waits for NHS patients; profits before patient care. Will than happy to meet the Children’s Society once the not the only choice on offer for patients be the old Tory report has been published if the society thinks that a choice in the NHS: wait longer or pay to go private? meeting to discuss the report’s contents would be worth while. Mr Burns: I am afraid that the shadow Secretary of State is just totally wrong. This Government have no Mr Stephen Dorrell (Charnwood) (Con): Against the intention to, and will not privatise the national health background of the recommendation of the NHS Future service. We want to improve patient outcomes and the Forum that a key priority for the future is greater patient experience. The right hon. Gentleman should integration between health care and social care—a priority look again at the 49% that he talks about, because we that was explicitly endorsed last week by the Prime are not changing the situation, particularly because it Minister—does my right hon. Friend agree that the key does not apply to trusts at the moment; it is only for opportunity in the Bill, through the health and wellbeing foundation trusts. boards, is to drive that agenda, which has been much talked about for many, many years now, and actually to Andy Burnham: That is garbage. start to deliver on that rhetoric? Mr Burns: The right hon. Gentleman says it is garbage. Mr Burns: My right hon. Friend is absolutely right; I think that is confusing from him, because I remind of course, when he was Secretary of State he did a him that of course it was in the Labour party manifesto considerable amount of work to lay the ground rules for at the last general election to remove the private patient the move towards greater integration, because that is cap. the way forward. My right hon. Friend makes a very valid point: it is the way forward and we fully recognise that. We are deeply committed to achieving that aim, Bowel Cancer Screening and that is why my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has added an extra £150 million to the existing 12. Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): What steps he £300 million, to facilitate progress towards it. has taken to implement a flexiscope bowel cancer screening test. [88278] Andy Burnham (Leigh) (Lab): May I tell the Secretary of State and the Minister that he will receive more The Minister of State, Department of Health (Paul representations on his Bill later this week from two Burstow): The IT system to support the pilots of flexible hospital doctors who, early this morning, began a 160 mile sigmoidoscopy screening is under development and local run to protest against his Bill, from Bevan’s statue in bowel screening programmes will be invited to become Cardiff to his Department? [Interruption.] The Secretary pilot sites shortly. We remain determined to deliver our of State should listen. Let me remind him why people cancer outcomes strategy commitment of 60% coverage are so angry. Nobody voted for the Bill. It was ruled out across England by March 2015. by the coalition agreement, and it is now the unelected House deciding the future of the NHS, passing amendments Guy Opperman: The Government rightly chose two that he was too scared to table in this House. out of the three pathfinder sites to be in the north-east, Will the Minister today have the courage to admit at South of Tyne and Tees. When will the date be given that it is now the Government’s intention to allow NHS for local screening centres to be invited to bid to become hospitals to make 49% of their income, effectively devoting pilot sites and have patients as a future part of that half of their beds, from the treatment of private patients? bowel cancer screening programme? 15 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 16

Paul Burstow: We debated these issues before Christmas. like to congratulate the SOS Save Our Services group in I can confirm that advice to local bowel screening Bassetlaw, which in the past two months has overturned programmes on bidding to become pilot sites will be the proposals to downgrade A and E and maternity published shortly and the process of recruiting pilots services at Bassetlaw hospital? Is that not a good example will start this month. of the real big society?

NHS Reorganisation Cost Mr Burns: As the hon. Gentleman knows, on 20 May 2010 my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State brought 13. Mr Frank Field (Birkenhead) (Lab): What estimate in the four conditions that had to be met for reconfiguration, he has made of the cost to the public purse of NHS which included paying attention to the views of local reorganisation in (a) Birkenhead constituency and stakeholders and the medical profession. So, as the hon. (b) England. [88279] Gentleman rightly says, the decision has been taken not to proceed with the changes at Bassetlaw hospital. No The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon doubt he also welcomes the £900,000 that is being Burns): The cost of the NHS modernisation is estimated invested to expand and improve Bassetlaw hospital’s A to be between £1.2 billion and £1.3 billion. That will save and E facility. £4.5 billion over this Parliament, and a further £1.5 billion each year thereafter. [HON.MEMBERS: “It is a different Mr Jamie Reed (Copeland) (Lab): The whole House question.”] It is the same question. We do not have a will note that the moratorium on hospital and ward local breakdown of these figures, as that will depend on closures has clearly ended, but as my hon. Friend the local decisions. Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann) rightly said, the NHS risk registers held by regional and local health Mr Field: Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman will ask boards around the country clearly showed the risks the House of Commons Library for the answer so that associated with closures and the downgrading of hospital he can give it to me next time, and also look at the wards. The Government’s Health and Social Care Bill increase in the number of managers in Wirral over the poses risks to the safety and quality of services, yet the past five years. The number has gone up by more than a Secretary of State has appealed against the Information quarter. With that size increase, why are those staff not Commissioner’s ruling that the NHS national risk register being used to pilot his reorganisation? should be published. Members of both Houses may be denied the opportunity to scrutinise the real risks that Mr Burns: The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely the Bill poses to the NHS before they are asked to vote right. There was a significant increase in managers in on it for a final time. Will the Minister give a binding the NHS in the last two or three years of his Government. commitment that the risk register produced by his Since we came to power, there are just under 15,000 fewer Department will be published in full before the Bill managers and administrators, and 3,700 extra doctors. returns from the Lords?

Patrick Mercer (Newark) (Con): The Minister is well Mr Burns: The right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy aware of the reforms to the NHS in my English Burnham) did not publish a risk register during his constituency, but many of my constituents question tenure. His predecessor, the right hon. Member for whether they are getting value for money in view of the Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle (Alan Johnson), expansion of population in Newark over the next couple did not publish the risk register on two occasions during of years. Will he look again, please, at the Newark his tenure. The bits relevant to the Health and Social health care review? Care Bill have been made public, but we will not be publishing the risk register because, as the hon. Gentleman Mr Burns: If my hon. Friend would be kind enough knows, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State is to write to me with specifics on the situation in Newark, appealing, as he is entitled to do, against the Information I would be more than happy to look into it in detail and Commissioner’s decision—[Interruption.] We have a respond to him. right of appeal, which we are exercising, and we will have to wait until that decision has been reached on A and E and Maternity Departments appeal. Until then, no we will not be publishing the risk register, because it is not necessary or appropriate. 14. John Mann (Bassetlaw) (Lab): How many (a) accident and emergency departments and (b) maternity Early Intervention units he expects will be (i) downgraded and (ii) closed between May 2010 and May 2015. [88280] 15. Mr Graham Allen (Nottingham North) (Lab): What steps his Department is taking to prevent ill The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon health and its associated costs through early intervention. Burns): The reconfiguration of local health services, [88281] including A and E and maternity services, is and will remain a fundamentally local process. What matters is The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health that decisions about service changes are clinically driven, (Anne Milton): The public health reforms have at their and that patients and the public are involved in those very heart the prevention of ill health and its associated changes to ensure that they get the highest quality care. costs, and the hon. Gentleman in his question clearly recognises the critical impact that intervening early can John Mann: I refer to the answer that the Minister have. The health visitor work force are an important just gave to the hon. Member for Newark (Patrick part of early intervention. We picked up a very demoralised Mercer). The buck stops with the Minister. Would he and depleted health visitor work force, so I am pleased 17 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 18 to report that training commissions for health visitors matters, which is why we are doing it. I am just sorry are up 200%, and we plan to double the number of that the previous Government did not take the action family nurse partnerships available by 2015. We are also that was needed. developing a vision for school nursing. Topical Questions Mr Allen: The introduction of the family nurse partnership and the enhancement of the amount of money available to it is a great credit to the previous T1. [88291] Margot James (Stourbridge) (Con): If he Labour Government and the current coalition Government. will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities. It enables single teen mums to get one-to-one help from a health visitor. Given the economic circumstances, The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): does the Minister accept that we need to be a bit more My responsibility is to lead the NHS in delivering inventive to ensure that that very good scheme goes improved health outcomes in England, to lead a public even further? Will she discuss with the city of Nottingham health service that improves the health of the nation and its health service a payment-by-results system to and reduces health inequalities, and to lead the reform extend the family nurse partnerships further? of adult social care, which supports and protects vulnerable people. Anne Milton: Yes, we are supporting the development of social investment and outcome-based funding models, Margot James: My right hon. Friend will be aware and I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman has raised that a significant number of private clinics that fitted the issue of being innovative about how we do that, women with Poly Implant Prothese breast implants are because it is important. We had a rather static situation no longer in business. Will he advise the House on how previously, so I welcome his interest in developing and he plans to strengthen not just the regulation of clinics testing a payment-by-results scheme in Nottingham, offering cosmetic surgery, but the products that they and we will be interested to see his detailed proposals use? and how that develops locally soon. What matters are the results that we get from the schemes. Mr Lansley: I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I not only laid before the House a written statement this Mr Graham Stuart (Beverley and Holderness) (Con): morning, but will, with permission, make a statement I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Nottingham on the subject tomorrow. We have been very clear about North (Mr Allen) for his work on early intervention the support the NHS will give to women who have had and applaud the efforts made by the Minister to recruit implants through the NHS, and we expect private more health visitors, but when will the Government be companies to do the same. Not all will do so, and to able to deliver the additional health visitors on the that extent I make it clear that the NHS is there to ground, trained and in service, in order to reverse the support women in their clinical needs, whatever their cuts in the health visitor service under the previous circumstances. Government? Ms Diane Abbott (Hackney North and Stoke Newington) Anne Milton: My hon. Friend is right; we picked up a (Lab): The Secretary of State will be aware that thousands very depleted and demoralised health visitor work force. of women are worried and frightened about this issue. We have 26 health visitor early-implement sites and, as I The statements he has made are welcome, but what said, a 200% increase in planned training commissions practical help can he offer women whose private providers for health visitors. Turning this round takes a long time. have not yet committed to offering free replacements? I am sorry that we could not get started on it earlier, but this will have the critical impact: 4,200 health visitors by Mr Lansley: This is important, as the hon. Lady says. the end of this Parliament will give us the results that we All the way through we have wanted to be absolutely need in turning round the fortunes of some of the most clear that any woman who is worried should be able to vulnerable families in this country. go to her general practitioner. The NHS is there to support any women in their clinical needs, whatever Liz Kendall (Leicester West) (Lab): Early intervention their circumstances. I have made it clear that I expect can transform health for children and young people and private providers to match the NHS support through prevent bigger and more expensive problems down the information and access to specialist advice, imaging and line, yet the Government have cut funding for early investigation, as necessary, and through the removal of intervention programmes, including Sure Start, teenage implants if it is decided that that is necessary. If private pregnancy and mental health in schools, by 11% this providers will not do that, let me be clear, as I will year and 7.5% next year. Is not the reality that it is this explain further tomorrow, that the NHS remains available Government who are depleting and demoralising the to support women in their clinical needs. health visitor work force, and that their short-sighted, short-term policies will make it harder to prevent poor T5. [88295] Karl McCartney (Lincoln) (Con): Does my health and cost us all more in the long run? hon. Friend the Minister believe that the Government’s aim of stopping people smoking is in any way helped Anne Milton: The reality is that the Government are by the chairman of the all-party group on smoking and picking up a very depleted health visitor work force. health, thehon. Member for Bristol West (Stephen School nurses, health visitors and the family nurse Williams), using a private letter that I sent to him, and partnership are all critical. We picked up a very sorry copied to the Minister, to castigate me and make untrue state of affairs. The hon. Lady is right; early intervention allegations in my local newspaper last Thursday? 19 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 20

Mr Speaker: Order. I was doing my best to listen Mr Lansley: I do indeed agree with the Prime Minister, attentively—it is very difficult to hear clearly when there but I would not characterise what he said in the way is so much noise. If there is to be a reference to another that the hon. Gentleman does. I was very interested to right hon. or hon. Member, advance notice of it should see a number of letters in The Times just this morning be provided. These courtesies must be observed. They that highlighted that in the past, under patient and are there for a good reason. public involvement forums and community health councils, there was a direct public interest in seeing what happened The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health in hospitals and in inspection. Through the Health and (Anne Milton): I remind my hon. Friend that smoking Social Care Bill and the establishment of HealthWatch, kills over 80,000 people a year in the UK. We have we will enable the public—representatives of patients—to published our tobacco control plan, are implementing be involved directly in assessing the quality of the the display ban and hope to consult soon on the future environment in which patients are looked after. They of plain packaging. The important thing to remember will not supervise nurses. Nurses will be responsible for about improving public health is that it is not a party the experience and care of patients, but the public have political issue. I cannot comment on the specifics of the a right to be participants in inspection— case he mentions, but this is a matter that interests everyone across the House. Mr Speaker: Order. I am grateful to the Secretary of State. T2. [88292] Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab): The people of Newcastle are more likely to die Andrew George (St Ives) (LD): When the Government early from cancer, health disease and stroke. On introduced the Health and Social Care Bill a year ago, average, a child born in Newcastle today is expected to they did so with the claim that the NHS fails in comparison die five years before a child born in the Secretary of with its European counterparts with regard to patient State’s constituency, so why is he changing the health outcomes. Now we know that that is not the case, will funding formula so that in Newcastle we will lose the Government withdraw the Bill? 2.5% of our funding, whereas his constituency will see a rise of 2.1%? Mr Lansley: I do not agree with that characterisation of why we instituted the Health and Social Care Bill or Mr Lansley: Let me remind the hon. Lady—she of the current situation. For example, the OECD published might not have noticed this—that before the Christmas in October its latest assessment of health in a number of recess I announced funding for the next financial year countries. In too many respects—for example, in relation for all primary care trusts in England, and the increase to serious respiratory disease—we have very poor outcomes for all primary care trusts is 2.8%. In contrast to the relative to other countries. What we are setting out to previous Government, we are setting out to reduce do in any case is to deliver continuously improving health inequalities, not least by focusing resources on outcomes and to get among the best in the world. In too public health on the basis of an objective measurement many respects we are not yet among the best in the of disparities in health outcomes. world.

Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con): A BBC Essex T4. [88294] Karl Turner (Kingston upon Hull East) investigation into Rushcliffe’s Partridge care home in (Lab): If the Prime Minister really wants to help nurses my constituency has uncovered shocking allegations of to focus on patient care, should the Secretary of State abuse and neglect. Will the Minister urge the Care not listen to those nurses and drop this barmy, Quality Commission to step in now with an inquiry and unnecessary Health and Social Care Bill? take whatever legal action is necessary to protect the elderly residents? Will he meet me and my constituent, Lesley Minchin, who has a relative who has suffered as Mr Lansley: It is precisely because the Prime Minister a result of what has been going on in the care home? and I listen to nurses that we met them and made it clear that we will support best practice. The hon. Gentleman and his colleagues should support nurse leadership on The Minister of State, Department of Health (Paul the wards. Nurses can see—through best practice, if Burstow): I certainly share my hon. Friend’s concerns. they talk to patients about their experience every hour—that BBC Essex’s reports of abuse and degrading treating in they can deliver better care. We will support nurses to that care home are cause for concern. The CQC is due deliver better care; he should support us in doing so. to publish a report shortly and I am certainly happy to meet my hon. Friend to discuss the matter further. The Government are determined to shine a light on abuse Dr Sarah Wollaston (Totnes) (Con): I know the Secretary wherever it is found and to root it out of the system to of State cares deeply about outcomes in health. Will he ensure that people are treated with dignity and respect add his support to the campaign for a minimum price and get the care they need. for alcohol in England and Wales?

T3. [88293] Alex Cunningham (Stockton North) (Lab): Mr Lansley: The Government will shortly publish Does the Health Secretary agree with the Prime our alcohol strategy, which will set out how we hope to Minister that our nurses need greater supervision by deliver continuing success in the reduction of alcohol patients’ groups on the ward to ensure that they are consumption and abuse. doing their jobs correctly, or does he recognise the tremendous job that they and their professional clinical T6. [88296]Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South managers are doing despite the huge cuts that the and East Cleveland) (Lab): In a written answer on Health Secretary has forced on their numbers? 12 December, the Minister of State, Department of 21 Oral Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Oral Answers 22

Health, the hon. Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul messaging. What is frustrating is that, sometimes, Burstow), who has responsibility for care services, told appointments are missed because patients have not me that the Government felt that: been adequately contacted by hospitals. As for people “Local community hospitals provide a vital community resource who abuse the NHS, I hope we will give them no excuses to support patients in need of rehabilitation, recuperation and for not meeting their obligation to attend appointments. respite care”—[Official Report, 12 December 2011; Vol. 537, c. 560W.] Mike Gapes (Ilford South) (Lab/Co-op): Can the What steps will the Government take to prevent the Secretary of State intervene with those involved with closure of the Chaloner Ward at Guisborough hospital the health for outer north-east London programme to and financially secure that hospital’s vital future? get them to allow the Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust to use the births and Mr Lansley: I am grateful for that question. I will maternity capacity at King George hospital to take certainly be happy to write to the hon. Gentleman on pressure off Queen’s? Guisborough hospital—I will not delay the House with the detail. I have those details, and will be happy to Mr Lansley: As the hon. Gentleman knows, following correspond with him. the independent reconfiguration panel report, which I accepted in full, the Barking, Havering and Redbridge Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) (Con): Trust is looking to manage safely its maternity services, The Prime Minister speaks of the “health and safety while improving the quality at Queen’s. It is doing that monster”; does the Minister believe it is right that in close co-operation with NHS London and, indeed, advertising for personal injury lawyers should be displayed with the advice of the Care Quality Commission, following in hospital A and E departments, which many might the commission’s inspections. I will continue to be closely think would feed the monster and make it bigger? involved in that, and we will continue to support the Barking, Havering and Redbridge Trust in improving The Minister of State, Department of Health (Mr Simon services for the hon. Gentleman’s constituents and others. Burns): I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that, because it is an important issue. As he might be Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): In north aware, there are rules and regulations: it is not acceptable Northamptonshire in 2010-11, there were 6,164 alcohol- for that sort of advertising in NHS hospitals. I would related hospital admissions. That is four times the number hope that any trusts behaving in that way immediately just eight years before. What more can be done to tackle review their procedures. this horrendous increase in booze drinking?

T8. [88299] Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab): Mr Lansley: Time does not permit me to mention all Yesterday, I had a meeting with Patricia Osborne, the the things that could be achieved, but let me just say chief executive of the Brittle Bone Society, a UK-wide that we are clear about the need, for example, to tackle organisation that is headquartered in my constituency. below-cost selling of alcohol, and we are doing that; to It was made clear to me that given the current funding stimulate more community alcohol partnerships, and squeeze across the voluntary sector, the society is we are doing that; and to accelerate public understanding concerned about its ability to provide the vital services of the consequences of alcohol abuse, and we are doing that it currently provides. Also troubling the society is that, not least through Change4Life, additionally, during the lack of support for adult sufferers of osteogenesis this year. There is more, but we will say much more in imperfecta. What can the Secretary of State tell me our alcohol strategy soon. about the Government continuing to support that important society, and what more can they do to Hazel Blears (Salford and Eccles) (Lab): When the support adults with that condition? Secretary of State, together with the Prime Minister, visited Salford Royal hospital last week to praise the Mr Lansley: The hon. Gentleman will know that the nurse leadership, was he aware that the hospital has cut Department of Health continues to support the voluntary 200 posts this year and is about to cut a further 200 posts sector considerably through section 64 funding and over the next two years as a result of having to take related support. If he wishes to write to me about the 15% out of its budget? Does he not agree that nurse specific circumstances of the Brittle Bone Society, I will leadership is important, but that we also need the nurses be glad to reply to him. on the wards to be able to deliver effective patient care?

Chris Skidmore (Kingswood) (Con): I recently made Mr Lansley: Of course I had an opportunity to talk a freedom of information request to all 170 acute trusts to the chief executive, the nursing director and others at asking for the estimated total cost of missed out-patient Salford Royal, and I was tremendously impressed, as and surgery appointments. So far, 61 have come back to was the Prime Minister, by the quality and leadership of me, and the cost is already over £1 billion. Will the the nursing, which demonstrated what he was saying Secretary of State seriously consider what we can do to about nursing—that there is best practice inside the tackle the enormous cost of missed appointments in the NHS, and we need to spread it. The right hon. Lady is NHS? confusing a cost-improvement programme with a cut. I think Members on both sides of the House understand Mr Lansley: Yes. My hon. Friend makes an important that the NHS is having to make efficiency savings, point, and it is something the NHS must focus on. which involves shifting some resources from the acute There are considerable opportunities through new sector and hospitals into the community. Right across technologies substantially to reduce the extent of missed the NHS, we have an increase of over £3 billion this appointments, including through things such as text year; next year, we have a 2.5% or 2.8% increase everywhere. 23 10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 24

High-speed Rail is happening again. We are ready for a new chapter in Britain’s transport history—one designed to boost our economy and our country just as the first coming of the 3.39 pm railways or the motorways did for previous generations. The Secretary of State for Transport (Justine Greening): That is why I have given the green light to HS2. In This morning, I made a written statement to the House spite of the challenges of rising demand, our railways announcing my decision to give the go-ahead to High have been a huge success since privatisation. Passenger Speed 2—a national high-speed rail network. With the demand is growing year on year, particularly in the exception of High Speed 1—a 68-mile stretch of line—it inter-city market. I recognise, however, that further will be the first major national railway line to be built in rounds of upgrades to our major north-south lines, Britain since the Grand Central line opened to passengers even if they offer apparently good value for money, can in 1899. I would like to provide Members with further only provide a short-term fix—one that is incapable of detail of the substance of, and rationale for, my decisions. meeting the long-term challenge. In truth, they could I weighed up the evidence after one of the largest add only limited further capacity; they could not offer public consultations in our history. We wrote to more the step change in performance that passengers wish than 172,000 people living or working near the proposed and need to see. line from London to the west midlands, visited communities What is more, upgrades would consign rail passengers along the 140-mile route and held 41 days of roadshows and the vitally important rail freight industry to years, attended by almost 30,000 people over the five-month if not decades, of future engineering disruption, delay consultation period. Almost 55,000 responses were received and unreliability—something that users of the west from individuals, businesses and organisations across coast main line will remember only too well. The question, the country representing a wide spectrum of views. therefore, is not, “Do we build new lines?” but, “What Many of those views were expressed strongly both in type of line should we build?” And when we weigh up favour of and against high-speed rail, and I have considered the economic and social rewards, there is only one them carefully in making my decisions. answer: high-speed rail. A high-speed line will deliver Since becoming Secretary of State for Transport, I £6.2 billion more in benefits to the country than a line have examined all the available evidence, including the running at conventional speeds, at an extra cost of only work undertaken by my right hon. Friend the Member £1.4 billion. Therefore, by slashing journey times, as for Runnymede and Weybridge (Mr Hammond) and by well as providing the step change in rail capacity that we the previous Labour Administration in developing the need to keep the country moving, a high-speed line will consultation proposals, the evidence submitted during give a return on the additional investment of more than the consultation, and the further work undertaken by my four to one. A modern, reliable and fast service between Department and HS2 Ltd. My decision had to consider our major cities and international gateways, as befitting not only the full environmental impact of HS2 but its the 21st century, will transform the way we travel, and benefits to our economy, jobs and our competitiveness promote Britain’s economic and social prosperity. not just today but decades into the future. HS2 will be built in two phases, to ensure delivery of its benefits at the earliest possible opportunity. Phase 1 I also had to be clear about the implications of not will link London to the west midlands, as well as investing in high-speed rail—about how it would affect delivering a direct connection to the continent through our leading cities, and how that would affect the road the channel tunnel via High Speed 1. Even in the first network and aviation. Generating growth, helping people phase, cities and towns off the HS2 network—such as back to work and supporting Britain’s companies and Stockport, Warrington, Liverpool, Preston and Glasgow— wealth creators so that they can compete and win in the will be served by trains able to use both HS2 and global marketplace are at the top of the Government’s inter-city lines, saving over half an hour on journeys to priority list, and, from day one in office, the coalition London. Phase 2 will provide onward legs to Manchester has had a laser focus on investing in and modernising and Leeds, with intermediate stations in the east midlands our country’s transport infrastructure with unprecedented and South Yorkshire, plus a direct connection to our levels of investment. international hub, Heathrow airport. HS2 will also When it came to HS2, I could have made the easy mean substantial time savings between Britain’s cities, choice: I could have gone for the short-term option, reducing Birmingham-to-Leeds journeys from two hours relying on a patch-and-mend approach and leaving our to just 57 minutes, and Manchester-to-London journeys rail networks overstretched, overburdened and less resilient. from two hours eight minutes to only one hour eight But let us be clear: the price for that would have been minutes. Edinburgh and Glasgow will benefit from a paid in lost business, lower growth, fewer jobs and more three-and-a-half hour journey time from London, misery for passengers on a network without the capacity encouraging modal shift from short-haul flights to high- to cope. We would have failed future generations depending speed rail. on us to create the prosperous country that they will In delivering HS2, I look forward to working with the want to live in. Scottish Government and others to identify and evaluate Good government is about acting in the long-term options for developing the high-speed network and national interest and about taking decisions, however further reducing journey times. However, I want to difficult, to improve people’s quality of life and the emphasise to the House that in making my decisions, country’s economic prospects not just for the next four I have been particularly mindful of our responsibility to or five years but for the next four or five decades. Our safeguard the countryside and its wildlife, and to protect Victorian predecessors would have been immensely local communities as far as possible. I have worked hard proud to see their railways providing massive benefit today to look at more tunnelling, to lower the route into —more than 100 years later—but as a result of today’s cutting to reduce visibility, and to move the route away announcement the railway revolution that they started from homes wherever viable. I have looked hard at how 25 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 26 we can better protect our landscape, our wildlife and binding promise that HS2 will be permanently responsible our heritage. For that reason, my engineers have carefully for resolving any related settlement or subsidence issues. re-examined the route in the light of all the evidence. I There will be also be a refreshed hardship-based property can therefore announce a package of alterations that purchase scheme, and, finally, we will work constructively, I believe will significantly reduce the railway’s impact. and in a structured way, with local authorities along the Those improvements include a longer, continuous line of route to minimise the negative consequences of tunnel under the Chilterns from Little Missenden to the HS2 and maximise the benefits. M25, and a new 2.75-mile bored tunnel along the Having made the decision to press on with HS2, my Northolt corridor to avoid major works to the Chiltern intention is to drive it forward as fast as is practicable, line and impacts on local communities in the Ruislip so that we can gain from its benefits as early as possible area. Of the 13 miles through the Chilterns area of and end the unwelcome uncertainty for those affected. outstanding natural beauty, less than 2 miles will be at A key part of this will be to engage fully and actively or above the surface. The rest will be in deep cutting or with organisations, communities and individuals along tunnel. There will also be a longer green tunnel past the whole route of the Y network. People presented Chipping Warden and Aston le Walls, and another legitimate concerns in the consultation and, even though longer green tunnel to reduce impacts around Wendover, we have made significant improvements, I am keen to as well as an extension to the green tunnel at South work hard with local communities so that as many Heath. There will also be a green tunnel past Greatworth. concerns as possible are properly addressed. Those are just a few examples from the suite of I have instructed HS2 Ltd to undertake a range of improvements detailed in full in the Command Paper activities to prepare for and deliver both phases of the that I presented to the House this morning. network. It is my intention to introduce a hybrid Bill in The changes will bring significant benefits to communities the House by the end of 2013, including a detailed and the environment. Compared with the consultation environmental impact assessment to provide the necessary route, there will be a more than 50% increase in tunnel powers to construct and operate the line from London or green tunnel, now totalling around 22.5 miles. In to Birmingham. I have instructed HS2 Ltd to deliver addition, around 56.5 miles will be partially or totally this project at pace, but within milestones that will hidden in cutting, as a key way of helping to reduce stand the test of time and with regular reporting to me noise in neighbouring communities, and 10 miles less on progress. The Major Projects Authority, which this track along viaduct or embankment. In all, that means Government launched last March to improve the that around 79 miles—more than half the route—will performance of major Government projects in delivering be mitigated by tunnel or cutting. The revised tunnel on time and in budget, will provide critical support and alignment through the Chilterns will avoid an important oversight. water aquifier—[HON.MEMBERS: “Aquifer.”]—aquifer— This spring, we will consult on the draft directions for significantly reducing impacts on water. You see, safeguarding the proposed route from London to the Mr Speaker, I am always happy to listen to people when west midlands, as well as separately consulting on detailed they see a better way of doing things. compensation proposals. I aim to bring final safeguarding There will also be a reduction in the impacts on directions and an agreed compensation policy into effect ancient woodlands and heritage sites. Communities affected later in the year. In March this year, HS2 Ltd will advise will benefit from the changes, with a near 50 % reduction me on the route and station options to Manchester and in the number of dwellings at risk of land take, and the Leeds, and in autumn 2012, we will start an engagement number of households experiencing noticeably increased programme on a preferred route to discuss local views. noise levels reducing by a third, to just over 3,000 properties. I warmly welcome the political consensus on HS2, on I have always been clear in my mind, however, that, the basis that it will help to ensure that the planning and whatever the mitigation measures, there can be little construction of this transformational scheme are carried comfort to someone in knowing that the country will through to completion. HS2 matters to the long-term benefit enormously from HS2 when it is their house, or success and prosperity of the whole of Britain. It will their business, that has to be knocked down to make help to create jobs, support growth and regenerate our way for it. The meeting that I had with MPs earlier last regions. It will better connect communities and improve year allowed many of those representing communities people’s opportunities, and, with its potential to attract along the proposed route to communicate the views of people and freight on to trains and away from long-distance their constituents to me directly. road journeys and short-haul flying, combined with the So, to help people, we will bring in a package of increasing decarbonisation of the grid, HS2 will be an compensation measures over and above those that affected important part of transport’s low-carbon future. homeowners are already entitled to under law. These Britain has faced such challenges before. The Victorian include: a streamlined purchase scheme to simplify the railway pioneers had the vision to build a rail network statutory blight process for property owners; a sale and that has promoted growth and created jobs for more rent back scheme to give homeowners within the than a century.Those innovators transformed this country’s safeguarded area more flexibility; a streamlined small fortunes. Our industries flourished, our exports multiplied, claims scheme for any construction damage; and a and our economy grew wealthy. Half a century later, package of measures to reinforce confidence in properties another generation had the vision to start building above tunnels. the motorway network. Post-war planners developed Homeowners will be offered before and after surveys, the motorway network, connecting major cities and a thorough assessment of the impact of similar tunnels, transforming the capacity of our road network. Half a an explanation of the measures that will be taken to prevent century on again, we now need to do for our Victorian perceptible vibration impacts, financial compensation railway what previous generations did for our road for the compulsory purchase of subsoil, and a legally network. The time has come again to seize the moment, 27 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 28

[Justine Greening] again on the issue of using a single piece of legislation to make HS2 possible all the way to the top of the Y to be ambitious and to show the world that this is a route. At the very least, will the Secretary of State agree, can-do country. The lesson from history—and the lessons as a minimum, to follow the Transport Select Committee’s from our global competitors—is that no matter how recommendation to include a “purpose clause” in the hard times are, we cannot stop planning for the future hybrid Bill that she plans, providing statutory force to or investing in our infrastructure if we want Britain to the commitment to continue the scheme to Manchester flourish. HS2 will be the backbone of a new transport and Leeds? system for the 21st century, offering the vital capacity Turning to other issues in the statement, the Secretary that we need to compete and grow as a country. It will of State says that there will be “direct links to Heathrow transform the economic shape and balance of our country, airport and the continent via the HS1 line”. There will linking our major cities to a level previous generations be disappointment that the Government have not accepted could only dream of. By backing HS2, this Government the case—not least in her own team—to build a transport are backing Britain, and I commend this statement to hub at Heathrow, enabling a direct connection between the House. the airport, HS2, Crossrail and the Great Western mainline at one site. The Minister of State, Department for Several hon. Members rose— Transport, the right hon. Member for Chipping Barnet (Mrs Villiers) is on record as saying that Mr Speaker: Order. I thank the Secretary of State for her statement, which was nevertheless significantly in “failing to take high speed rail through Heathrow…would be a big mistake”. excess of the allotted time for ministerial statements. An allowance for that will be made in the response from This is a failure to learn the lessons of successful the shadow Secretary of State. The House can rest high-speed rail schemes across the world. When the assured, as it can always rest assured, that I have the Government claim this route would cost more, they fail interests of Back Benchers at heart. They need not to include the cost of building the spur; and when the worry; if they want to get in, they will be heard. Government claim it would increase journey times, they fail to make clear that this hub would be instead of Old Maria Eagle (Garston and Halewood) (Lab): May I Oak Common and would allow for non-stopping services. begin by thanking the Secretary of State for advance Can the Secretary of State confirm the cost of building sight of her statement? I welcome her decision today. As the separate spur to Heathrow? Can she confirm that the right hon. Lady was generous enough to say, it was the Government’s intention is to enable at least the the previous Labour Government who started us on the possibility of direct services between Heathrow and the journey that has now reached this important milestone. continent at the end of phase 2? Can the right hon. I pay tribute to the former Prime Minister, my right Lady tell the House what discussions she has had with hon. Friend the Member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath the European Commission over the potential for EU (Mr Brown) for having the boldness to set out a vision funding towards the costs of HS2? Is it correct that the for a new high-speed rail line to address the capacity decision not to take the route via Heathrow and the issues on our existing mainlines while cutting journey concerns over the planned link to HSl mean that such times across Britain. This is a vital project for the support is less likely to be forthcoming? country, and I welcome the decision to give the green In respect of Scotland, the Secretary of State has said light to this investment in the face of considerable that HS2 opposition—not least from many of the Secretary of State’s own colleagues, including from inside the Cabinet. “will form a foundation for a potentially wider high speed network in years to come.” Labour Members believe that it is vital that the new high-speed line is built—not just between London and Can she confirm that the Government still intend to Birmingham, but on to Manchester and Leeds. So while begin discussions with the Scottish Government on the I welcome the commitment given today to the whole future development of the network to Scotland during HS2 scheme, there will be disappointment that the the next Parliament? When do they expect to start work Government’s announcement has stopped short of on the business case for further extensions beyond committing to legislating for the entire route to Manchester the Y? and Leeds in this Parliament. That was always Labour’s As for what the Secretary of State said about mitigation intention, as confirmed by the former Transport Secretary and costs, I welcome the steps that she has taken to Lord Adonis in his evidence to the Transport Select address some of the concerns that led the Labour party Committee—a position the Select Committee said had to propose its alternative route, although none of these merit. measures addresses the impact on the Chilterns as Of course it is right that a single Bill would need to effectively as would a route via Heathrow. It is the await completion of preparatory work for the second Government’s own stubbornness that has forced them phase of the route. However, by introducing it later in to commit themselves to significant additional spending this Parliament and carrying it over to the next, as we to prevent a Cabinet resignation. did with the legislation for Crossrail, we would secure Will the Secretary of State tell us what the extra cost Parliament’s approval for the whole route at an earlier of each of the new mitigation proposals that she has date than under the Government’s plans. That would, announced today will be, and whether those costs will of course, open up the possibility, if it proved feasible, be met within the existing cost envelope for HS2? What of beginning construction in the north as well as the assessment of value for money has she made in respect south—something that the Transport Select Committee of the costs of these measures, compared with those of urged the Government to consider. The Secretary of offering greater protection to the Chilterns through a State should do so and the Government should think different alignment? I welcome the mitigation measures 29 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 30 proposed for London, although there remains a significant in Birmingham that goes direct to Heathrow. The hon. impact on the area around Euston station. Will the Lady raised the question of whether HS2 should go Secretary of State assure the local community in Camden directly via Heathrow. The last Labour Transport Secretary that she will listen to their concerns, and will take of State, Lord Adonis, looked at that, and he concluded— appropriate steps to mitigate the impact of the as did I and my predecessor, my right hon. Friend the redevelopment of Euston station? What discussions has Member for Runnymede and Weybridge (Mr Hammond) she had with Transport for London on how best to —that that is not the most cost-effective or line-effective address the concerns that have been raised about the route for the line to take. It would be a longer line, and it impact of the very large increase in the numbers arriving would be more expensive. at Euston on HS2? The hon. Lady asked whether we will seek EU funding. There has been considerable debate about the affordability The business case we have presented to the House today of building the line, but not about the affordability of is based on a working assumption that the £32 billion using it once it opens. I note that the Secretary of State cost of this railway will come from the rail budget—that had nothing to say about that in her statement. Does it will be taxpayer-funded. The business case would she agree with us that now is the time to move the improve if we were able to get private sector and EU debate from whether we should build to discussing the funding. We believe that this is a high-value project and type of high-speed rail network that we want to see in we will look to see whether we can secure such contributions, this country? Her predecessor as Secretary of State—I especially from the private sector, and they would make am pleased to see that he is present—told the Transport that business case even stronger than it already is. Committee: I am keen to talk with the Scottish Government “If you are working in a factory in Manchester you might about their aspirations for high-speed rail further north. never get on HS2, but you will certainly be benefiting from it if Their desire to see this project go ahead underlines its the salesman and sales director of your company is routinely strategic value to the entire UK, not just the London-to- hopping on it to go and meet customers, to jet around the world Birmingham part of our country. from Heathrow in a way that brings in orders that keep you On mitigation, the hon. Lady raised the important employed.” question of how we tackled the issue of the line going Is that not precisely the wrong approach to high-speed through an area of outstanding natural beauty in the rail? Does the Secretary of State agree that we need a Chilterns. I want to emphasise that I looked very hard high-speed rail network that is affordable for the many along the entire line. I understood the specific concerns and not the few—a network that is not a “rich man’s people had in respect of this AONB, and I took them toy” or simply a business class service? very seriously, but I looked at the whole line to see how Today we have reached an important stage in the we could mitigate its impact on local communities development of high-speed rail in this country, a process wherever possible, because that is important and the begun by Labour. I hope that the Secretary of State will right thing to do. The changes in the Chilterns that we consider the issues that we have raised. This is a major have made will result in that stretch of the line costing scheme which deserves proper scrutiny. We have raised in the region of £250 million to £300 million less, questions with the clear intention of ensuring that we because the engineering solutions we have found will have the best possible high-speed rail network, one that involve less use of deep cutting. That will mean that we the country needs and deserves. We strongly support have less spoil, and the removal of spoil is often what the building of HS2. [HON.MEMBERS: “Hurray!”] I said causes huge expense. I hope that provides some reassurance that in the first sentence of my reply. I look forward to to the hon. Lady. For some parts of this route, improving working on a cross-party basis with the Secretary of the line is good not only for local communities but for State and her colleagues to ensure that parliamentary the business case for the line. approval is secured, and that this vital project can move The hon. Lady also raised the question of the ahead and become a reality. redevelopment of Euston station that will happen as part of HS2’s phase 1 proposal. We believe the line Justine Greening: I am delighted to hear that the coming into Euston can be part and parcel of the Labour party supports our high-speed rail proposals. regeneration of the Euston area. We must ensure that As I think even Labour Members would have to admit, Euston makes the most of the investment that will go the original proposal did indeed come from my party. I into Euston station. I fully understand that two-thirds must point out that high-speed rail did not feature in of the homes that will be demolished will be next to the Labour Government’s 2007 White Paper setting out Euston station, and we will work very closely with the 30-year vision for the railways. However, we are Camden council. A number of statutory processes are pleased that Labour has belatedly seen the real potential already in place to provide safeguards for tenants who of a high-speed rail network in Britain. will be affected, but I can assure the House that I will work very closely with Camden council in considering The hon. Member for Garston and Halewood (Maria how we can minimise the impact of the redevelopment Eagle) asked about legislation for the full Y network. I of Euston station on current residents. I will, of course, am considering whether it is possible for us to build that also be delighted to work with the Mayor in considering into the hybrid Bill, but I can give a categorical assurance traffic flows on the tube and how high-speed rail will that I have decided that we should go ahead with the interact with our tube network. full Y network. I have also announced today the final The hon. Lady asked about affordability and pricing, decision on the route of phase 1 of that network. and I agree that that is very important. The business The hon. Lady asked about Heathrow, which has case we have done assumes a pricing level that is the clearly been an important aspect of the issue. HS2 will same as the standard pricing on the current network. go directly to Heathrow. That will happen as part of That has been the presumption. As we get closer to the phase 2. People will be able to get on a high-speed train finalisation of the route and its development, I am sure 31 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 32

[Justine Greening] Justine Greening: The right hon. Gentleman raises the wider point that we will need a broad-based strategy we will look at the pricing, but I can assure the hon. if HS2 is to come into Euston—the broader regeneration Lady that the success of this high-speed railway network of Euston that I believe can take place alongside HS2 will be based on its being used by many people, not a and the redevelopment of Euston station. I am absolutely few. I have no doubt that the pricing of the tickets will committed to doing whatever I can: to work with Camden be set in order to achieve that. council, and to meet the right hon. Gentleman separately to talk about what we can do to minimise the disruption Several hon. Members rose— to local residents while HS2 is being built and in the years beforehand. There are statutory processes that I Mr Speaker: Order. Given the intense interest, I am very happy to talk through with him in detail, and appeal for brevity, led by one of its exemplars, Mr John I look forward to doing that. Redwood. Andrea Leadsom (South Northamptonshire) (Con): Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): Will the My right hon. Friend has been very patient in hearing Secretary of State tell us how much the Government from me many times about the concerns of my constituents, propose to spend on the project during this Parliament, many of whose communities will be blighted by this and will she confirm that no construction contracts will high-speed rail line. She is also well aware of my concerns be let during this Parliament? about the economics of the project. How sure is she that the actual costs in their entirety will be kept to the Justine Greening: No construction contracts will be amounts we have been talking about, and how realistic let during this Parliament, and my understanding is that is it for Britain to afford this project at this very difficult the spend over the course of this Parliament will be in time economically? the region of a couple of hundred million pounds. Justine Greening: I would argue that we cannot afford Mr Bob Ainsworth (Coventry North East) (Lab): As not to do this. The cost to the taxpayer will start once the city closest to the first non-London station, the Crossrail has finished. On the overall costs, High Speed 1 potential investment benefits to Coventry are considerable. was brought in on time and on budget, and our costing Is the Secretary of State prepared to meet a delegation includes a substantial allowance for so-called optimism to discuss the links between the city and that first bias, because we know that such projects tend to grow station, so that Coventry maximises the benefits from in cost. If anything, I would aim to bring it in under the HS2? amount we have budgeted for, but we have allowed for some optimism bias, as we do for these projects. Justine Greening: The short answer to that is an absolute yes. Glenda Jackson (Hampstead and Kilburn) (Lab): While thanking the right hon. Lady for switching on the Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD): The Liberal green light, I note that she referred in her statement to Democrats were the first party to push for high-speed “a package of measures to reinforce confidence in properties rail, back in 2004—[Interruption.] I realise that the above tunnels”. That issue affects many of my constituents. Opposition may not appreciate the fact. I am delighted When and to whom should my constituents make that the coalition is going ahead with this, and I congratulate representations to have their concerns calmed? the Transport Secretary on that decision. Phases 1 and 2 will bring great benefits, and the news about phase 2 Justine Greening: I will be writing today to all the going to Manchester and Leeds is very welcome. Can people affected directly by HS2, and that will include she say something about her future aspirations for the making sure that people in areas that will have tunnels connection through to Scotland? underneath them will receive all the details they need to understand how this process will work. Justine Greening: As I said, we are very keen to ensure that we progress phases 1 and 2 as quickly as possible, Kwasi Kwarteng (Spelthorne) (Con): Will my right and I will be in discussions with the Scottish Government hon. Friend say a few words about the massive capacity about the future development of the line that they have that is going to be added to freight lines, so that we can aspirations for, as well. encourage greater use of the railway in transporting freight around the country? Frank Dobson (Holborn and St Pancras) (Lab): I am sorry, Mr Speaker, if I break into this aura of unanimity. Justine Greening: One of the things we have seen in I represent people living around Euston, 350 of whom recent years is freight switching from road to rail. HS2 will lose their homes, and up to now they have received will have the advantage of freeing up the capacity on no guarantees whatever from Ministers, the Department the conventional railway network, which will see that or the HS2 project team. The area has already seen the renaissance continue. We hope that it will have even abandonment of the intended rebuilding of a Roman more force behind it than it has had already. Catholic convent school, part of the site of which will be taken, and a large number of small businesses will be Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield) (Lab): Today’s put out of business as a result of this. Also, Euston will announcement is very good news for Birmingham. May be even more overcrowded when the new line comes in, I say to the right hon. Lady that two things are just as and there are no proposals whatever to improve the important as our connectivity to London? The first is connections, by tube or bus, to Euston station to take connectivity to the north, so I ask her to act on the the extra traffic. optimistic noises she has made about possibly changing 33 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 34 the hybrid Bill to include the second phase. The second up its books and shares the information about the range is to ensure, as my right hon. Friend the Member for of options it is considering for the link at the earliest Coventry North East (Mr Ainsworth) said, that HS2 stage? unlocks potential in the local transport network in and around Birmingham and the wider west midlands. Will Justine Greening: One of the things that we have she take that on board? Those are the things that will always tried to balance is getting assurance about what really maximise the benefits of HS2 to the midlands. our lead proposals are so as not to cause unnecessary blight and trying to share information with residents as Justine Greening: I will take both those things on soon as possible. I believe that we will be able to start board, and indeed I will be in Birmingham tomorrow. informally consulting local groups later this year and in When we look at high-speed rail in other countries, we 2013. We will do the formal consultation—the sort that see that the countries that have had the most success the hon. Gentleman has seen on the first phase of this with it are those that have looked at projects more route—in 2014. broadly, so we must ensure that HS2 provides broader connectivity than just to the areas it drops in at. Stephen Hammond (Wimbledon) (Con): I commend my right hon. Friend on her statement. Will she assure me that she was aware that the chief executive of Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster) (Con): Manchester city council said last week that this was a It is fair to recognise that the right hon. Member for most significant decision for the north of England’s Holborn and St Pancras (Frank Dobson) makes a valid economy? Will she confirm that she still expects the point about Euston station and the rail capacity of that monetised value of the scheme overall to be in the order particular area. Has the Secretary of State given any of £50 billion? particular thought to the idea that there should be a nodal link at Old Oak Common, which would link up Justine Greening: I can confirm that when we look at Crossrail and HS2, thereby ensuring that a large amount the key people pushing for this scheme, we notice that of the traffic that would otherwise get caught up in the key economies and great cities in the north will see Euston is enabled to go through central London via a the benefits. The monetised total value is upwards of different route? £40 billion, even £50 billion. Ultimately, however, we must recognise that that calculation takes place over a Justine Greening: I think that is such a good idea, 60-year time frame. Anybody building the railways back which is precisely why it is part of the plan. in Victorian times would never have counted the benefit we get from them today, which is very real, and the Mrs Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside) (Lab/Co-op): potential benefit of HS2 is significant. It is essential that the UK has a high-speed rail network, and I welcome today’s statement as it helps to achieve Mr Dave Watts (St Helens North) (Lab): Does the that. The Secretary of State said that she was considering Secretary of State really think that people will believe how to include in the hybrid Bill a commitment to the the costings she has set out, given the past history of whole of the Y network. Will she tell us more about building railways and Government schemes? Will she that? Will she assure us that the money that goes to give an assurance that the route will be extended to the funding the very important high-speed rail network will north-west as, frankly, most people believe that they not be at the expense of essential investment in the have more chance of travelling on the Tardis than HS2? existing classic line to develop both passenger and freight services? Justine Greening: In terms of costs, there is safety in two things. High Speed 1 was delivered on time and on Justine Greening: I am actively examining how we budget by the last Conservative Government. I aim to can provide more legal assurance in relation to the full have a much better performance than we saw from the Y network. However, we ultimately have to recognise Labour Government on the west coast main line, where that if this high-speed rail line is going to happen, it will a £2 billion planned upgrade mushroomed to £9 billion. need political will above all else. What I am saying is Finally, I can assure the hon. Gentleman that his that the Government have the political will to go ahead constituents will see the benefit of phase 1 from day with this Y network and that is the thing that matters one. In many cases, the HS2 trains will be through-running most. I can assure the hon. Lady that I intend to make trains that, having saved that time on the high-speed sure that we continue to see that level of investment that network, will continue their journey further north on our current railways so badly need. conventional lines. I think that will benefit far more cities than just London and Birmingham. Steve Baker (Wycombe) (Con): I was delighted to Mark Pawsey (Rugby) (Con): May I advise the Secretary hear that additional protections for the Chilterns will of State that today’s announcement will be heard with reduce costs. Will the Secretary of State consider tunnelling concern in Rugby? We currently have an excellent service the entire width of the Chilterns? to London on the recently upgraded west coast main line, but we will be completely bypassed by High Speed 2. Justine Greening: Yes, I did that. That approach What steps will be taken to ensure that cities and towns would have cost £1.2 billion and I believe it is unaffordable. on the legacy line will retain the speed and frequency of their existing rail links? John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) (Lab): Because the Heathrow link will be in phase 2 of the project, my Justine Greening: High Speed 2 is critical for places constituents will not know their futures until late 2014. such as Rugby, which have been so constrained by Will the Secretary of State ensure that HS2 Ltd opens capacity on the conventional line. One of the benefits of 35 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 36

[Justine Greening] Mrs Anne Main (St Albans) (Con): I have serious concerns about this planned project, particularly regarding HS2 is that it will free up capacity for better connectivity the business case. Will the Secretary of State comment to places on existing lines, just like Rugby. on the comparisons that can be drawn with the high-speed rail links in Spain and France? In France, it was the Alison Seabeck (Plymouth, Moor View) (Lab): major hub city of Paris that grew, rather than Lyon, and Warrington gets its journey cut by half an hour—lucky in Spain, it was Seville that was caused expense as a Warrington. Plymouth is a bigger city than Warrington price of the growth of Madrid city. There is concern in and we have no high-speed link to the south-west. As this country that the north might not get the projected regards the concern raised by my hon. Friend the Member benefit and that instead it might be London that grows for Liverpool, Riverside (Mrs Ellman), the Chair of the and benefits. Transport Committee, will the Secretary of State confirm that top-slicing will not happen to other budgets and Justine Greening: I have huge respect for my hon. that the south-west main line down to Penzance will still Friend and I normally agree with her on most things, get further investment? but I have looked at this case incredibly carefully. Let me say two things. First, cities such as Lyon and Lille Justine Greening: We are about to continue the process have massively benefited from high-speed rail in France. on the high-level output specification, or HLOS2, and Secondly, let us see what the north thinks. Manchester that will consider future investment in lines such as the thinks this project is vital, Birmingham thinks this great western line, which will be connected to HS2 via project is vital, Leeds thinks this project is vital and the Old Oak Common interchange. That will benefit Sheffield thinks this project is vital. It is time to make it the hon. Lady’s part of the country as well as everybody happen. else’s. Ms Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston) (Lab): Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): I welcome The Secretary of State will get a very warm welcome in the Transport Secretary’s commitment to high-speed Birmingham tomorrow, but that welcome might be rail and the fact that she is keen to have discussions with even warmer if she gave a clear commitment to a the Scottish Government about extending the route to purpose clause in the hybrid Bill and if she could bring Glasgow and Edinburgh, which would bring additional that Bill forward to 2012 rather than 2013. economic benefits of some £25 billion and carbon reductions from more modal shift from air to rail. What Justine Greening: I do not think I can add anything does she see as the main barriers to making high-speed further to my comments about my commitment to the rail to and from Scotland a reality and how can we best Y network. In terms of the time it will take us to overcome them? develop the hybrid Bill, we are doing it as fast as we can. I want to make sure that the Bill comes to the House in Justine Greening: There are always barriers and challenges a proper and robust state, and that means doing a in dealing with such significant infrastructure problems, proper environmental impact statement and working not least money and ensuring that finance is in place. As with local communities, which will take some time. This we have seen with phase 1, we must be incredibly careful is a big project and we are going to get on with it, but I that the route minimises the impact on local communities will make sure that it has the time that all that will take. while maximising the economic impact that communities At the moment, it looks as though the Bill will come to can get out of it. There is a long process to go through the House in late 2013. as regards talking with the Scottish Government, but I am keen to engage with them on it. David Mowat (Warrington South) (Con): With a benefit-cost ratio of over 2.5, HS2 is a much better Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton) (Lab): business case than Crossrail, which has just been accelerated. The Secretary of State’s statement will be welcomed Will the Secretary of State consider accelerating phase 2 throughout the whole of the north of England, as the of this scheme so that it can reach the north before chief executive of Manchester city council said, but 2032? there will be a worry in the back of some people’s minds that we were promised trains through to Paris when the Justine Greening: I am looking at all the ways in channel tunnel legislation was agreed but we did not get which I can progress this project as fast as possible. At them and that the same thing will happen again. It is the moment, it looks as though the 2032-33 time frame not just a matter of political will. People in the north is the fastest by which we can bring it to fruition. I hope would be reassured if the Secretary of State gave a that the House has seen today my desire to get on with commitment to align stations and resources to build the this project and I will continually look at ways in which routes to Manchester and Leeds as soon as possible. we can deliver it faster.

Justine Greening: I can give the hon. Gentleman that Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab): Can commitment. I certainly am not going to take any the Secretary of State say what impact the proposal will longer than we need to take to progress the full Y have on the frequency of services from Birmingham to network. One aspect of the first phase that I have not Euston? mentioned yet is that it will connect HS2 through to HS1, so there will be that link directly to the channel Justine Greening: I think we will see a huge improvement. tunnel and the European high-speed rail network, which Not only will more capacity be released on the conventional will be hugely beneficial. lines, but the high-speed line will serve those stations. 37 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 38

Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con): The previous will continue their impressive record of investment in Secretary of State for Transport is now running Defence, the classic network, to meet demand in the period where we are implementing major cuts in each of the before HS2 starts? armed services. Does this Secretary of State understand why those of us who are concerned about other areas of Justine Greening: I can tell my hon. Friend that there Government wonder whether these priorities are not will be 106 extra carriages serving his stretch of line, rather perverse in the present economic situation? and I think that shows that this Government are committed to making sure that we get investment in our railways in Justine Greening: I absolutely want to see the investment the short and medium term as well as the long term. in our armed forces that we need for our country, but we also have to make sure that we look to the future for our Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): I am as keen on the transport system and the role that it plays in helping our Secretary of State for Wales as anybody else is, and I am economy to prosper, grow and create jobs. That is what delighted that the Secretary of State for Transport has today’s announcement is all about. done so much to keep her in her job, but can she be precise about the amount of money that is being spent Hugh Bayley (York Central) (Lab): The map that the on tunnelling in the constituency of the Secretary of Secretary of State published today shows the network State for Wales, because the total amount being spent in continuing north of Leeds to join the east coast main Wales on the railways this year is just £500 million? line. Is she considering joining that at York, and is she aware that there is a major development site right next Justine Greening: I would have thought the hon. to York station? If that is her intention, she needs to Gentleman would be pleased, because the route that I state it early to make sure that the land is available. announced today will see us spend less money in my right hon. Friend’s part of the country. The way in Justine Greening: I am very grateful to the hon. which he has turned what I took to be the incredibly Gentleman for flagging up that opportunity. I have no serious issue of this line impacting local communities in doubt that over the coming weeks and months he will an area of outstanding natural beauty into a pure want to set out some of those ideas in more detail. Over political point is a disgrace. The Secretary of State for the course of this Parliament, we will be putting significant Wales, alongside other MPs, has done a damn good job effort into developing High Speed 2—I think we will in representing her constituents, and I think she has spend something like £750 million in total—and I am probably been a lot more effective than he has been in sure the hon. Gentleman will want to ensure that he the past. puts his views forward. Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes) (Con): I welcome the Rehman Chishti (Gillingham and Rainham) (Con): Secretary of State’s announcement. Many of my Can the Minister clarify and confirm that real concern constituents work at Tata Steel in Scunthorpe, where was expressed prior to the introduction of High Speed 1 rail production is one of their most profitable lines. Can in Kent, but since then there has been real economic she give me a categorical assurance that everything regeneration and growth in the south-east and Kent? possible will be done to ensure that the procurement procedures favour British-based companies? Justine Greening: I absolutely agree with my hon. Justine Greening: My hon. Friend will know that one Friend, and I think it shows that we are right to get on of the things I am committed to doing in my role is to with this project today, but we are also right to work bring about a more strategic relationship, in terms of with local communities, and they can see huge benefits our procurement, with suppliers in the UK, and non-UK from high-speed rail when it comes to their communities. suppliers. I think that puts companies in production in the UK in a good position. There is unprecedented Katy Clark (North Ayrshire and Arran) (Lab): I investment going into the railways at the moment. I welcome the Minister’s statement. Elsewhere in Europe, have just announced the biggest railway infrastructure high-speed rail has been kept affordable by keeping it in project that this country has seen in over a century. I the public sector. Will she make a commitment that this think that is good news for Britain, but also good news will be kept in the public sector in this country? for jobs and good news, hopefully, for companies like Tata. Justine Greening: I cannot make that commitment. We are just at the business of assessing what the line Mr Andy Slaughter (Hammersmith) (Lab): The Secretary route is—I made my decision on that today, and will of State dismisses in one sentence the Select Committee’s continue to develop the phase 2 route. I think decisions recommendation that the London terminus should be about how the train service will be operated are ones for at Old Oak rather than at Euston. Will she look at that further in the future, but of course we will look to do again, or at least publish the evidence on which she what we think is best value for the taxpayer and the bases that view, and will she assure us that the mitigation travelling passenger. will apply at least as much to Labour seats in west London as Tory seats in the Chilterns? Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) (Con): The long-term benefits that High Speed 2 will bring to my Milton Justine Greening: We looked very carefully at where Keynes constituents will be welcome, by freeing up the HS2 line should terminate when it got to London. capacity on the existing line. However, there is overcrowding Our decision was that it was far better to terminate it in now, which will get worse before High Speed 2 opens. London than, as it were, at Old Oak Common, which Will my right hon. Friend assure me that the Government would have seen people then have to transfer again. 39 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 40

[Justine Greening] Justine Greening: I have, and that is why I am cracking on with it today. [Interruption.] The hon. Gentleman says Crossrail, but of course they would have to transfer on to Crossrail. Nadhim Zahawi (Stratford-on-Avon) (Con): Today’s That is an added advantage that they will have, but we announcement has been welcomed by the business believe it is far better for HS2 to come in to Euston. community in my constituency, including the chairman I can assure the hon. Gentleman that I worked as of the Coventry and Warwickshire local enterprise hard looking at mitigation elsewhere on the line as I did partnership, but many people are rightly concerned looking at it in the AONB in the Chilterns, and I am about the countryside. Does my right hon. Friend agree committed to making sure that I continue to do that that it is vital to safeguard the countryside and its throughout this entire process. wildlife as far as possible for all the people who are living there today, as well as for those who will be living Dan Byles (North Warwickshire) (Con): The Transport there tomorrow? Committee’s detailed report raised a number of serious questions about the business case and the technical Justine Greening: I thoroughly agree. I have had a assumptions behind HS2. It also made the clear clear priority to look at how we can minimise the recommendation that the Secretary of State should not impact of this project on people, but in addition to that make a decision on HS2 until she had addressed those I have been careful to look at how we can minimise the questions. Can she explain why she has chosen to ignore impact more broadly on both the environment and of that clear recommendation? course wildlife, and I will continue to do that. The environmental impact statement process that we can now Justine Greening: I think my hon. Friend would be begin will enable us to do that in a far more detailed the first person to agree that the Transport Committee’s way. That is very welcome. overall comment on HS2 was that it was a good value- for-money project. The engineers have looked in detail Stephen Timms (East Ham) (Lab): I welcome the at every aspect of HS2. I encourage my hon. Friend to statement. Greengauge 21 has pointed out that if some look at the plethora of reports that we have put out commuter services that currently run into Euston could today, many of them giving technical detail. I hope that be diverted on to Crossrail when High Speed 2 opens, will provide him with the confidence that he needs. that would create new through-services, which would be very welcome, could significantly reduce the demand Mr Speaker: I appeal to the Secretary of State to look for extra platform capacity at Euston, addressing one of at the House so that we can all hear her answers. the problems that has been raised in this exchange, and would also open up the possibility of a much better Mr Mike Weir (Angus) (SNP): We welcome the interconnection between High Speed 1 and High Speed 2 commitment to HS2 and note what the Secretary of than the single-track proposal that is on the table at State said about the impact on Scotland, but will she present. Is the Secretary of State looking at that idea for now widen the remit of HS2 to allow immediate planning improving the position? for extension further north and link-up with development in Scotland, rather than waiting the several years that it Justine Greening: We have reached a conclusion on will take the hybrid Bills to go through this place? phase 1, which I have announced, and we have looked at such proposals. Network Rail is now able to look at the Justine Greening: It is fair to say that our focus must possibilities arising from the released capacity on be on making sure that the Y network and, in particular conventional lines. That has the potential to address at this point, phase 1 of that network happens. I am some of the points that the right hon. Gentleman happy to discuss with the Scottish Government their raised. proposals and ideas for how we broaden that network further in the future. Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (The Cotswolds) (Con): I welcome today’s announcement on an important piece Angie Bray (Ealing Central and Acton) (Con): I very of our national infrastructure. As such, will my right much welcome the statement, particularly confirmation hon. Friend consider all of us who represent constituencies that the station at Heathrow will go through in phase 2. west of Heathrow and make sure that the connectivity Does the Secretary of State agree that when phase 2 is from the west into the new network is as good as completed and there is a direct link from the north to possible? Heathrow, that should make a significant contribution to reducing the pressure of domestic flights at Heathrow? Justine Greening: Yes, I will. We are always looking at ways to improve that, and I welcome the chance to talk Justine Greening: I agree with that. We have estimated to my hon. Friend about it. that around 4.5 million air flights a year will transfer on to high-speed rail as a result of this. Barry Gardiner (Brent North) (Lab): The Secretary of State has rightly spoken of the need to offset biodiversity Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak) (Lab): I loss and mitigate environmental impacts on wildlife, welcome the right hon. Lady’s brave decision today. but will she go one stage further and take this unique Like others, I am a little worried that if the legislative opportunity to look at developing migratory corridors timetable is too long, the project may lose impetus and that will give species that need to migrate northwards as she may be a victim of election trimming. Will she a result of climate change the connectivity in the landscape reflect on those risks? to enable them to do so? 41 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 42

Justine Greening: The hon. Gentleman raises an Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con): I thank the Secretary important point, and I will be keen to look at the of State for her statement. The plans published today environmental opportunities presented by the project as do not include any stops on the Y between Birmingham well as the environmental challenges. and Manchester, whereas there are two between Birmingham and Leeds. Businesses in north Staffordshire Nigel Mills (Amber Valley) (Con): This will be even believe that a stop is essential to the development of the more popular in Derbyshire if the trains are built at regional economy. Can she confirm that it is still under Bombardier. When will we know the detail of the serious consideration? location of the station for the east midlands and the route for the track, which is of some concern to my Justine Greening: I will be very happy to talk to my constituents? hon. Friend about his desire for high-speed rail in his area, and then we can discuss those precise issues. Justine Greening: My hon. Friend will have been pleased, over Christmas, to see that Bombardier won Susan Elan Jones (Clwyd South) (Lab): I congratulate the contract to produce train carriages for Southern the Secretary of State and thank her for her commitment Rail. We will be getting some initial views on the route to HS2 today. She will, of course, be aware that there later this year, and that is when we would like to see has been a great deal of support from members of the regions, areas and communities trying to reach some public and from businesses in Wales on this. Can she consensus on where those interim stations should be. confirm whether the Secretary of State for Wales, in her capacity as Secretary of State for Wales, made Tom Greatrex (Rutherglen and Hamilton West) (Lab/ representations in favour of this, thus reflecting widespread Co-op): I welcome the statement and the accompanying opinion in Wales? Command Paper in relation to talk about the foundation for subsequent phases and extensions arising from the Justine Greening: The Secretary of State for Wales Y route. In her discussions with the Scottish Government, did her job both as a Welsh Secretary and as a constituency will she look specifically at the business case, and start MP in talking to me about the benefits of the project, to do so now, so that the vital impetus to ensure that and I thoroughly agree with her that we have ended up HS2 benefits Scotland is not lost? with the right line, with the right mitigation.

Justine Greening: We are getting on with our discussions. Damian Collins (Folkestone and Hythe) (Con): My The Under-Secretary of State for Transport, my hon. constituents in east Kent, who already benefit from Friend the Member for Hemel Hempstead (Mike Penning), High Speed 1, will be pleased to hear that there will be will be going to Scotland tomorrow, and I have no direct through services on High Speed 2 to the north doubt that those conversations will start right now. and the midlands. Has the Secretary of State considered the economic benefit to Kent, East Sussex and east Chris White (Warwick and Leamington) (Con): Does London of better connectivity with the major centres of my right hon. Friend work on trains when she is travelling the north and the midlands? around the country, and if she does, along with hundreds of thousands of others, does she not believe that that Justine Greening: Part of our business case for phases 1 factor undermines a major plank of the business case and 2 is looking at the wider economic impacts. It is for HS2? always difficult to monetise those properly, but I believe that they will include some of those positive impacts, Justine Greening: No, I do not. The fact the people and that over time we will see the benefit of a larger rightly complain when they get delayed on a train and high-speed network nationally, bringing benefits not stuck in traffic shows intuitively that people place a only to constituencies like my hon. Friend’s, where the huge value on their time, and rightly so. We use robust network already exists, but to other cities across the methods to value time in the business case, and they are country. absolutely correct. Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) Mr Brian H. Donohoe (Central Ayrshire) (Lab): (PC): I would be intrigued to learn how it is cheaper to Timetables are important to railways. When does the develop a railway by digging a tunnel. How can the UK Secretary of State expect to see the first high-speed Government justify that decision, which it is reported train into Glasgow Central station running on high-speed will cost £500 million, made to keep the Secretary of rails? State for Wales in post, while refusing even to electrify the main line to Swansea? Justine Greening: In theory it should be in 2026, when the high-speed line from London to Birmingham is Justine Greening: May I just correct the hon. Gentleman’s complete and trains will continue up the west coast facts? Tunnelling under the Chilterns will save between main line, and no doubt arrive in Glasgow. I know that £250 million and £300 million, rather than costing the hon. Gentleman’s underlying question was when the £500 million. I hope that that provides him with some high-speed network will make it up to Scotland, and as reassurance that this will in fact be less expensive that it I said on a number of occasions during the statement, I would otherwise be. am very happy, indeed keen, to talk to the Scottish Government about their proposals for that in the future. Greg Mulholland (Leeds North West) (LD): All of us In the meantime, the good news today is that we are involved in the cross-party, cross-sector and cross-riding getting on with phases 1 and 2. That has to happen in campaign for a high-speed rail line to Yorkshire are order for his desire to be fulfilled as well. absolutely delighted by the announcement. Because it is 43 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 44

[Greg Mulholland] they feel is needed in the network, and I will continue to look at those opportunities. He emphasises the continued so important that it gets to the northern cities, can the need for investment in the current conventional line Secretary of State assure us that in the legislation she while we get on with our proposals on high-speed rail. will ensure not only that the line will be guaranteed to go to Sheffield, Manchester and Leeds, but that the two Gavin Barwell (Croydon Central) (Con): I warmly Ys will be built no more than six years after phase 1, as welcome my right hon. Friend’s announcement on what currently planned? will be a significant improvement in national infrastructure. May I ask her about Old Oak Common in relation to Justine Greening: My hon. Friend is right to urge me the connectivity to Crossrail and the Great Western to push on with that, which is precisely what I will do. I line? Would she also look at the possibility of connecting do not think that I can add anything to my earlier the high-speed line to the West London line so that comments on my desire to provide a concrete assurance people living in south London and the south-east can that the Y will happen, but I reiterated on many occasions access HS2 without having to use the London underground? in my statement my intention to see the full Y network built. Justine Greening: My hon. Friend raises the right point, which is that the plans for HS2 that we have Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde) (Lab/Co-op): announced and confirmed today will in future present I commend the Secretary of State for her decision. broader opportunities to us and our transport system. I Many of the arguments for High Speed 2 cited reduced will be happy to discuss those with him in the coming journey times, which are obviously important, but I weeks and years. have always thought that the arguments about capacity are equally compelling, particularly as investing in classic Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab): The rail services would provide only two thirds of the capacity Secretary of State’s announcement will be warmly welcomed that we will get with high-speed rail. How great a factor in the Sheffield city region, particularly the fact that was that in her decision? consultation on the route north of Birmingham will begin this autumn. However, at that time blight will Justine Greening: One of the most important parts of begin for households and businesses. Will she therefore the decision was looking at the alternatives to see whether give an assurance that the decision on the route will be they could answer the critical capacity question that, as made as quickly as possible afterwards? When will the hon. Gentleman points out, we face. High Speed 2 is compensation arrangements be in place for those affected? the best answer to that question. I urge other Members who have asked themselves that question, but who have Justine Greening: What will happen later this year is perhaps not done quite as much research as he has, to the start of an informal discussion with stakeholders in look at the Network Rail report published over the that region on where the route might go. The formal weekend, because it gives a compelling and robust consultation is scheduled for 2014, precisely so that we assessment of some of the alternatives and sets out can, I hope, minimise blight. As I think I have said very precisely why they would not have delivered the capacity clearly to the House today, we will consult on a final that we so badly need. package of property and blight compensation and mitigation later in the spring, which will help to provide Mark Menzies (Fylde) (Con): Businesses across some assurance to the hon. Gentleman’s constituents Lancashire will welcome today’s announcement on High that there is a structure in place to ensure that there is a Speed 2. When will the Secretary of State be in a package of support for people who are directly affected position to lay before the House details of the region- by High Speed 2 as it goes into phase 2. by-region economic gain that HS2 will bring to the north? John Howell (Henley) (Con): I welcome my right hon. Friend’s decision and the measures that she has Justine Greening: We have already looked at the wider announced, which will benefit the Chilterns as a whole, economic impact, but I will see whether it is possible to but will she say a little more about the commitment that break it down by region. There is no doubt that the she has made about giving the public more opportunities broad overall economic impact of HS2 will be substantial. to get involved as the project proceeds?

Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): HS2 will not Justine Greening: Broadly, two things will happen. resolve the urgent need for additional rail freight capacity. First, as I have said, we will consult on the compensation To achieve significant modal shift for freight traffic and blight package in spring. Secondly, we will set up we need a new route, built to UIC gauge C, enabling structured working with local authorities and community continental rail wagons and lorries on trains to be groups on the environmental, planning and community transported up and down Great Britain and to and from challenges, to ensure that we can make the most of HS2 the continent. Will the Secretary of State look at the and take advantage of some of the opportunities for the case for a dedicated rail freight route from the channel environment as well as mitigating some of the downsides tunnel to Glasgow, for which a carefully designed scheme of going ahead with the project. is already available? Stephen Pound (Ealing North) (Lab): Further to the Justine Greening: The hon. Gentleman is right to question from my hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield raise the critical issue of freight. I visited Felixstowe South East (Mr Betts), commencement is a long way port earlier last year and talked to people there about down the line, but the contemporary concern in my the sorts of challenges they face and the investment that constituency is blight and the fear of blight. The right 45 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 46 hon. Lady has said that discussions on the details of cities so that we may press the argument for its inclusion, mitigation will take place possibly this year and possibly which is amazingly and incredibly important to the next year. With respect, that is not good enough for whole north of England? Northolt, Greenford and Perivale. Will she tell me something today so that I can explain to those people Justine Greening: I shall be happy to meet the hon. that they will have their voices heard, particularly and Lady. On that agenda, I would also like us to discuss specifically on mitigation? some of the benefits that HS2 can bring to communities such as hers—one that I, of course, know very well. Justine Greening: Yes, I can. The hon. Gentleman will obviously be aware of the bored tunnel under Ruislip, which will significantly help his area. I would also direct Stuart Andrew (Pudsey) (Con): Coming from Yorkshire, him to look at the document that we have issued today may I enthusiastically welcome the Secretary of State’s setting out our review of property issues. It talks in very announcement? Does she agree that if we are to rebalance clear terms about the next steps, and what will happen the economy from the south-east to the midlands and when. the north, constituencies such as mine, and the wider city of Leeds, need to become more attractive for business Karen Lumley (Redditch) (Con): Will the Secretary of to invest in? Fundamental to that is ensuring that we State reassure the residents of Redditch that High Speed 2 deal with the overcrowding problems on our existing will come in on budget, and that it will bring massive rail services. HS2 is the solution, and it is good for economic benefits to constituencies in the west midlands? Britain.

Justine Greening: I hope that I can provide reassurance. Justine Greening: It certainly is, whether in terms of We have certainly developed the calculations on costs in providing more seats for passengers in the future or line with Treasury guidance, which is very conservative. relieving the huge pressures on the existing rail network. Of course I will be aiming, if at all possible, to have the HS2 is a direct line for growth in our country, and I am project come in under budget, although I suspect that absolutely delighted that we have been able to announce there will also be others who will have to manage the today that it is going ahead. costs over the coming years. Julie Hilling (Bolton West) (Lab): I very much welcome Phil Wilson (Sedgefield) (Lab): I commend the Secretary the Secretary of State’s announcement, as well as of State’s statement this afternoon. Is she aware that the her commitment to the Y network and the ongoing High Speed 2 announcement could bring benefits to the improvement of the classic network. However, the northern north-east of England almost straight away? Hitachi hub is essential if we are to ensure connectivity so that Rail Europe, which wants to build its train factory in local services are not disadvantaged by HS2. Will the Newton Aycliffe in my constituency, has announced Secretary of State commit to the full funding of the full that it will bid for the rolling stock to be made there northern hub project? when the time comes, which could bring jobs to Durham, the Tees valley and the north-east of England. Justine Greening: We have already announced the electrification of the trans-Pennine railway line, which Justine Greening: The hon. Gentleman points out the is a key part of how we can start to deliver some of the very welcome investment from Hitachi in his area. northern hub agenda. I am very happy about that, and Combined with the unprecedented investment that the we are indeed looking at what it means for the rest of Government are making in our railways today and in the northern hub proposal as part of the HLOS2 review future, which I have announced today, that bodes well process, which is happening right now. for creating more jobs building rolling stock in the UK.

Stephen Mosley (City of Chester) (Con): I warmly Mr Marcus Jones (Nuneaton) (Con): Fast services on welcome my right hon. Friend’s statement today, which the west coast main line to Nuneaton were drastically will deliver massive long-term benefits for the north of reduced under the previous Government in 2008, much England. However, during the construction phase of to the displeasure of many of my constituents. Will my High Speed 2, it is likely that there will be significant right hon. Friend explain whether HS2 will make the disturbance to the existing west coast main line, in provision of fast services for my constituents better or particular because of work at Euston station. Has she worse? considered how to ensure that existing services are protected during construction? Justine Greening: I certainly hope that it will give us the potential to make them better, and Network Rail Justine Greening: We will work in a very detailed is looking at precisely what the opportunities for the fashion to make sure any disruption is minimised. The conventional rail network will be if we have capacity disruption will be significantly less than the disruption elsewhere via high-speed rail and High Speed 2. The that there would have been if we had had a strategy of problem we have at the moment is that the more constrained upgrades to lines, including the west coast main line. capacity is on the network, the more we have to prioritise where to connect to on the network to maximise passenger Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge) (Lab): benefit, and that has, of course, caused pressure to The Secretary of State gave a helpful hint earlier, when reduce the network’s connectivity. One of the best things she said that she was considering covering the whole about HS2 is that it starts to open up some real Y-shaped network in forthcoming hybrid legislation. opportunities on the existing network to connect people Will she agree to meet a delegation of MPs from northern better with the railway. 47 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 48

Jonathan Ashworth (Leicester South) (Lab): I welcome journey times that persist as they continue their journey the Secretary of State’s statement on high-speed rail. further north. That is really good news for people in She will presumably agree—certainly with regard to that area. phase 1—that commuters travelling from Leicester train station in my constituency will see no direct advantage, Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) (Lab): Did I hear the although I appreciate that phase 2 may be different. She Secretary of State aright? Did she say that the Chilterns will be aware that many of those commuters have been tunnel would cost £250 million to £300 million less than hoping for the electrification of the midland main line. the cost would be without it? That raises the question Given her remark that she is ruling out short-term fixes, why, if it is cheaper to tunnel, she is not burying the is she now saying there is no possibility whatever of entire line. Will she please give us the true figure for electrification of the midland main line in the foreseeable building the tunnel? future? Justine Greening: It will cost £250 million to £300 million Justine Greening: No, I am not. We have the HLOS2 less. The hon. Gentleman asked why we cannot tunnel process, by which we can consider all such things. the whole way under the Chilterns. Of course that is Again, I would encourage the hon. Gentleman to look predominantly an engineering question concerning the at the Network Rail report, which is very clear-cut amounts of spoil and the geographical nature of the about some of the pressures there will be on the midland land that we are going through. It is quite a complex main line if we do not go ahead with High-Speed 2. question but the brief answer is yes, it really is more cost-effective. Graham Evans (Weaver Vale) (Con): I am delighted to welcome the Secretary of State’s statement. This is the right decision for the whole country and will tackle John Stevenson (Carlisle) (Con): The Secretary of the capacity challenge, create jobs in the midlands and State said that the hybrid Bill could include phase 2. the north and equip our economy for the 21st century. Would it not be sensible, if we have a hybrid Bill before Will my right hon. Friend confirm that High Speed 2 us, to take the route all the way to Glasgow and Edinburgh, will reduce carbon emissions, as well as switching people which would reassure those of us who live beyond from road to rail? Manchester and Leeds that there will be a high-speed network there at some point in the future? Justine Greening: We hope that it can. It will result, on average, in about 4.5 million short-haul flights a year Justine Greening: The short answer is no. If we did and about 9 million road journeys a year transferring to that, we would have to go through the laborious process high-speed rail. Both those things will be good for the that we had to go through to sort out phase 1 of the environment. route. It is better to get on with that and then initiate the process of finalising the route as it goes further north. Sheila Gilmore (Edinburgh East) (Lab): Despite warm words from the Secretary of State about Scotland, I Graeme Morrice (Livingston) (Lab): The disadvantage remain unclear about whether she is prepared to extend of being one of the last Opposition Members to be the remit of the HS2 company to include detailed route called is that people have already asked my question. planning for Scotland. If she is, when will it happen? But I will give it another go. I certainly broadly welcome the Secretary of State’s statement and recognise her Justine Greening: I ask the hon. Lady to give me a comments about the project’s economic benefits for the chance to get up to Scotland and meet the Scottish entire United Kingdom—so long as the kingdom remains Government. I will be happy to meet her and other MPs united, of course. I noted her reference to phases 1 and representing Scottish constituencies to discuss the 2 of the project. Obviously, there was no specific mention opportunities for the broader high-speed network. As of a phase 3 and the line’s extension to Edinburgh and she demonstrates so clearly, in countries that get on Glasgow in Scotland, although I accept the Government’s with high-speed rail, once one bit of the line is done aspirations in that regard. I also noted that on several there is pressure to do more of it. That is because it is occasions she told hon. Members that there would be incredibly successful and people can really see the benefits. discussions with the Scottish Government and Scottish MPs. I believe that such discussions, being long term and prolonged, should be structured. Will she publish a Esther McVey (Wirral West) (Con): Having worked timetable for those discussions? closely with the north west business leadership team, I would like to welcome High Speed 2 on its behalf, given the arguments that have been made over many years Justine Greening: I will consider how we can take about unlocking the potential of businesses in the north, forward discussions with the Scottish Government. Perhaps assisting the rebalancing of the economy, and proper I can set out a few more details for the House in the connectivity between the north and south. This is a near future. national scheme in two phases but will the Secretary of State clarify the benefit to the north of England from Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con): HS2 has the phase 1? potential to tear down the north-south divide. With that in mind, does my right hon. Friend agree that support Justine Greening: The principal benefit will be not for, and confidence in, the project in the north of just the high-speed link between London and Birmingham England would be massively enhanced if the building of but the fact that it could connect to the west coast main the Manchester and Leeds legs began as soon as possible, line, which means that people will benefit from shorter at the same time as the London to Birmingham leg? 49 High-speed Rail10 JANUARY 2012 High-speed Rail 50

Justine Greening: We cannot do that, but for all the Justine Greening: This Government have a laser-like right reasons—because we have to go through the rigorous focus on ensuring that our country becomes more process of ensuring that we have got the line of route competitive and creates more jobs. We are now back in right. However, I can assure my hon. Friend that we will the top 10 nations in the World Economic Forum go through that process as fast as we can—but get it ranking for the first time in many, many years. I believe right—and then crack on with the rest of the Y-shaped that our companies are well placed to take advantage of network. the investment that we are making, and that is certainly what I want to see happen. Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): In the north-east and Newcastle this decision is welcomed, both by business Kris Hopkins (Keighley) (Con): I welcome this important leaders and because it is good for the economy. Can the announcement. Will my right hon. Friend ensure that Secretary of State identify to what extent HS2 will free high-quality engineering and construction companies up existing rail capacity on lines to and from the north-east? in the north of England have a fair chance of bidding for some of the £33 million, and that it does not become Justine Greening: We believe that it will have the just an opportunity to refill southern coffers? potential to free up significant capacity. As for the potential that this will create for the conventional rail network on new routes and new station stops, Network Justine Greening: I have no doubt that companies in Rail has been asked to do that work and will report to my hon. Friend’s part of the country will be extremely me later in the year. I look forward to reading that work well placed to bid as well as anybody else, in any other with interest, and to sharing it with the House. part of the country, to take advantage of some of the economic benefits coming from this project. Christopher Pincher (Tamworth) (Con): My right hon. Friend will be aware that many people believe the Mr Ben Wallace (Wyre and Preston North) (Con): I present exceptional hardship scheme to be inconsistent think that I am on the slow line, Mr Speaker. I warmly and unfair. Can she confirm that her proposed refreshed welcome my right hon. Friend’s announcement today hardship scheme will be consistent and will ensure that about High Speed 2. As a good northern girl, she will anybody affected by blight who wishes to move will be know that the north of England does not start and stop properly compensated? Those people should not be at Leeds and Manchester. On the route map published penalised for living in the wrong place at the wrong today, it seems that High Speed 2 on the north-west line time. extends further north than Manchester, perhaps to what looks like Preston. Will she give serious consideration Justine Greening: I have been keen to look at what we to ensuring that Preston is included in phase 2, so that can do to improve the effectiveness of the hardship Lancashire and one of the hubs of British manufacturing scheme. My hon. Friend will know that we have received get direct access to the south? around 240 applications from people. With the finalised line of route, some of those will obviously be from people in areas that will now see real mitigation. The Justine Greening: I am delighted to tell my hon. point of the consultation, which will happen in the Friend that places such as Preston will gain from phase 1, spring, is to ensure that we finalise those details. I very in terms of connectivity between the west coast main much urge him and his constituents to respond to the line and HS2. I am as passionate as he is about ensuring consultation, so that we can reach a final version of the that his area has excellent railway links, and we are scheme that delivers what we want, which is a fair deal looking at developing the HLOS2 proposal for shorter for the people affected. and medium-term funding in our railways. I have no doubt that he will continue to represent his constituents’ Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): In commissioning needs to us as powerfully as he just did, and I will HS2, will my right hon. Friend avoid the mistakes of continue to pay very close attention to them. the previous Government in drawing up the contract tender specifications for the last Bombardier contract, Mr Speaker: Seventy-four hon. Members have been and do all in her power to ensure that as much of the able to question the Secretary of State in 59 minutes of materials, construction work and rolling stock for High exclusively Back-Bench time, so I thank colleagues for Speed 2 as possible is provided by British firms, providing the succinctness of their questions, and the Secretary of British jobs for British workers? State for the succinctness of her answers. 51 10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 52

Scotland’s Constitutional Future The consultation paper that I am publishing today sets out different ways to deliver a legal, fair and decisive 5.9 pm referendum. It explains how the powers for a referendum The Secretary of State for Scotland (Michael Moore): could be devolved under the section 30 order-making With permission, Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a provisions in the Scotland Act 1998, which is our preferred statement on Scotland’s constitutional future in the approach. It also invites views on devolving the powers United Kingdom. using other legislation, including the current Scotland Bill, and seeks opinions on the possibility of running In May 2011, the Scottish National party won a the referendum directly. significant electoral victory—a victory that this Government have openly acknowledged. The SNP has consistently Given the clear legal problem that exists, we want to campaigned for Scottish independence, and its 2011 work with the Scottish Government to provide the manifesto included a pledge to hold an independence answer. This is not about the mandates of Scotland’s referendum. As a Scot, I think that it is vital that the two Governments, or about who calls the shots. It is Scottish people make a clear decision about our future about empowering the people of Scotland to participate within the United Kingdom: a decision made in Scotland, in a legal referendum. That means that the UK Government by the people of Scotland. At present, however, there is are willing to give the Scottish Parliament the powers to a lack of clarity about the referendum, its outcome, and hold a referendum, which it cannot otherwise do legally. what the implications of that outcome would be, all of As well as being legal, however, a referendum must be which creates economic uncertainty. That is bad for fair and decisive. For those reasons, the rules of the jobs and investment. referendum must be demonstrably above board. The referendum should be overseen by those who have neutrality Since last year’s election, we have been asking the and the proven expertise to inspire confidence in the Scottish Government to set out their plans for a referendum, fairness of the process, such as the Electoral Commission. but so far they have not done so. In particular, they have not said anything more about their legal power to These issues are not for politicians alone to consider. deliver a referendum. This is not an issue that can be That is why the consultation process that starts today ducked. To legislate for a referendum on independence, will let people express their views on when a referendum the Scottish Parliament must have the legal power. It is should be held, what question should be asked, who this Government’s clear view that the Scottish Parliament should be entitled to vote and how the campaign should does not have that legal power. be run. It will be open to all people in Scotland—and, indeed, outwith Scotland—to make their views clear, Scotland’s future within the UK will be the most rather than rely on the opinions of politicians. It is in important decision we, as Scots, take in our lifetime. It everyone’s interests that the two Governments take on is essential that the referendum is legal, fair and decisive. board the needs of Scotland and the opinions of its As a Government, we have been clear since May 2011 people, work together, and deliver the legal, fair and that we will not stand in the way of a referendum on decisive referendum that is in our common interests. independence, but neither will we stand on the sidelines and let uncertainty continue. Any referendum must let The Government believe passionately in the United all of us in Scotland determine our future clearly and Kingdom. For over 300 years our country has brought decide whether to stay part of the longest, most successful people together in the most successful multi-national partnership of nations in history. That is why we are state the world has known. This Government are clear publishing a consultation to seek views on how to that independence is not in the interests of Scotland. deliver a legal, fair and decisive referendum. For a The United Kingdom brings strength to Scotland; Scotland referendum to take place, legislation is required. That brings strength to the United Kingdom. We recognise will ensure that any referendum, on any issue, is subject that this is not a view shared by all, but politicians from to detailed consideration and debate, and to clear and both sides of the debate owe it to everyone in Scotland consistent regulation. to ensure that the referendum is delivered in a legal, fair In 2010, the Scottish Government published plans to and decisive way. legislate for a referendum on independence. We have The future of Scotland must not be worked out in considered those plans carefully against the devolution secret, behind closed doors, nor determined by wrangling settlement in Scotland as set out in the Scotland Act 1998. in the courts. It is my task to ensure that this referendum The 1998 Act is clear: the Scottish Parliament cannot is made in Scotland by the people of Scotland for the legislate on matters reserved to this Parliament. Among future of Scotland. I commend this statement to the House. the issues that are reserved is the constitution, including “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England”. Margaret Curran (Glasgow East) (Lab): I thank the Any Act of the Scottish Parliament that “relates to” a Secretary of State for sight of the statement before its reserved matter is quite simply “not law”. Whether or announcement this afternoon. As a consequence of the not a Bill “relates to” a reserved matter depends on its result of the Scottish elections in May, we accept that purpose and effect. We are clear that the Scottish the Scottish National party has a clear mandate to ask Government’s purpose in bringing forward a referendum the people of Scotland whether they want to remain is to secure independence. Their intended effect is to part of the United Kingdom. There is absolutely no secure a mandate for negotiating this. Both purpose and doubt that this referendum will take place; what all the effect relate directly to the reserved matter of the Union. political parties must now do is work together to make Any distinction between a binding or advisory referendum sure that the referendum is fair, legal and commands the is artificial. As the law stands, an independence referendum complete authority of the Scottish people. Bill is outside the competence of the Scottish Parliament. In the light of the Secretary of State’s statement, we Such a Bill could be challenged in court, and it is our have some further questions and concerns that I hope view that the Scottish Government would lose. he will address in his response. I begin by asking the 53 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 54

Secretary of State how he plans to take forward his clear from the fact that I made the statement today—I proposals and his plans for consultation on the section 30 will lead for the Government, working with all my order. colleagues. Secondly, I understand that without publishing any As I acknowledged in my statement, the Scottish of their own legal advice, the Scottish Government are National party secured an important victory in the contesting the authority of the legal advice held by the elections last year. It had set out its clear intention of Secretary of State. What assurances can he give the holding a referendum, but what was not so clear was Scottish people that the advice he holds rests on a sound how it would do that. As I have said, we believe the legal foundation—a foundation that is robust and authoritative position to be that the Scottish Parliament does not on this issue? To ensure maximum transparency, does have the power to conduct any kind of referendum, and he plan to publish his legal advice, and would he recommend it is therefore important for us to work with the Scottish that the Scottish Government do the same? Government to ensure that we can get on with this Thirdly, Scottish Labour is clear that any question on historic decision. separation must be a straight yes or no choice. We The hon. Lady asked how we would consult. The therefore welcome yesterday’s acknowledgement by the consultation document offers people throughout Scotland Deputy First Minister of the Scottish Government that the opportunity to write and involve themselves in the this is also the preference of the Scottish National process. I will of course be going out and about in party. Will the Secretary of State confirm that this is the Scotland myself, and I am sure that many others will position of the coalition parties, too? If so, it is important also involve themselves in the debate. It is important to recognise that, in respect of Scotland, all four major that everyone in Scotland is able to feel part of the political parties are in agreement that there should be a process. straight choice of a yes-no referendum. That is a highly The hon. Lady will be aware of the ministerial code significant development. and the convention followed by successive Governments Fourthly, will the Secretary of State confirm with that legal advice is neither acknowledged nor published. absolutely clarity today whether the UK Government However, I ask her to look carefully at the consultation support the involvement of the Electoral Commission document and to note the authority that we are bringing in the conduct of the referendum? The Electoral to bear, namely sections 29 and 30 and, in particular, Commission has overseen referendums in Wales and schedule 5 of the Scotland Act. I believe that careful the rest of the United Kingdom this very year, and it examination of those documents will lead to only one has the highest level of confidence and respect in overseeing clear conclusion: that there is no legal authority for any the referendum as a non-partisan arbiter. We are of the referendum. We must ensure that that issue is resolved. opinion that it is the body best placed to oversee the The hon. Lady asked whether I, like her, support a referendum. Does the Secretary of State share that view? simple, straightforward yes-no question on Scotland’s Which Minister will lead the consultation? Will it be place in the United Kingdom. That is indeed what we the Secretary of State himself, or will it perhaps be the are recommending. As for the issue of oversight, I think Chancellor? The United Kingdom Government appear it entirely fair and reasonable for the process of a to have sent out the wrong signal by allowing the referendum to be overseen by a body that has widespread Chancellor, rather than the Secretary of State for Scotland, experience, is neutral, and is seen to be above and to take the lead on a vital Scottish issue in the Cabinet. beyond the fray. The Electoral Commission seems to me to fit the bill, but I look forward to hearing the As the First Minister asserted last May, the sooner reactions of others during the consultation. the vote on the future of Scotland is held, the better. Scotland’s economy is flatlining. One in four young Scottish men is out of work. We are told that Scotland Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con): What do the now faces record levels of child and family poverty. Government propose should happen to the shared debts What we cannot afford to do is spend the next four and the shared membership of the European Union years obsessing about the process of a referendum. were Scotland to leave the Union? Now is the time for parties to work together, get on with the debate, and get on with deciding where Scotland’s Michael Moore: The right hon. Gentleman asks an best future lies. important question. I am sure that it is one of many that will be at the heart of the debate about Scotland’s The Scottish people face a momentous decision in the future when we come to the referendum itself, but for referendum. What Labour will not do is sit back and now I want to ensure that we can get on with the proper support a process that turns into a petty fight between substantive debate. the two elements that Scotland rejects—separation and the Tories. Scotland deserves better than politicians bickering about the process. We must move as quickly Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab): May I pick up on as possible to a debate of substance that puts Scotland’s the important point made by the right hon. Member for people and Scottish interests first. Wokingham (Mr Redwood)? During the referendum campaign, there will be claim and counter-claim about the adverse or beneficial effects for the people of Scotland, Michael Moore: I entirely agree with what the hon. and by extension for the people of the other parts of Lady has just said about the need for us get on with the the United Kingdom, of separation or retention of the debate, and to ensure that the Scottish people and Union. Will the Secretary of State consider, in consultation Scottish interests, not the interests of politicians in with all the parties, drawing on the experience of the different political parties, are at the heart of it. Office for National Statistics, the Statistics Authority I am delighted to confirm that—as the hon. Lady and the Office for Budget Responsibility and deciding will see if she reads the consultation paper, and as is whether a body should be set up to provide authoritative 55 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 56

[Mr Jack Straw] Michael Moore: I do not know how often I have to acknowledge the SNP’s victory of last year before the factual information about the consequences of separation hon. Gentleman hears me say it, but I am happy to and union, so that when there is an argument it is at repeat that I recognise its victory of last year. I am least an argument on a common currency? surprised that he has such a problem with the law, however, because I am sure that an independent Scotland Michael Moore: The currency question will, of course, would want to be governed under the rule of law. also be an issue in the referendum debate. The right Therefore, I think it is in all our interests to ensure that hon. Gentleman draws on a lot of experience of the the legal basis of any referendum is clear. I am saying to relevant legislation, and he makes an important point. him that it is not there—it is not possible to have a legal When we hold the substantive debate—which must referendum. It does not matter whether it is “advisory”, happen sooner rather than later—it is important that “legally binding” or whatever one calls it: a referendum we can turn to agreed sources of information. We can has to be legal, and the authority is not there. What I consider that issue at a later date, but I accept the point am offering the hon. Gentleman, the First Minister and the right hon. Gentleman makes. all his party is a way by which all of us in Scotland can get on with this decision without needing to have it Sir Menzies Campbell (North East Fife) (LD): I am made by the courts, rather than by people going to the well aware of the convention that Governments do not ballot box. publish legal advice, but, as my right hon. Friend has The hon. Gentleman referred to the terms on which pointed out, this is a decision that can almost be described we might do this. I repeat: we are consulting. We are as unique because it would bring to an end hundreds of asking people across Scotland—and those elsewhere years of history. May I therefore urge him to reconsider who may have an opinion—to tell us what they think of whether the advice received by the Government should our proposals. We want to do this together, between the be published so as to achieve the clarity that the right two Governments, and I hope he will encourage his hon. Member for Blackburn (Mr Straw) spoke about in colleagues there to get alongside us and work with us. relation to statistics? I welcome today’s announcement, especially because As far as the date is concerned, there is no date in the political, economic and social uncertainty for the next consultation paper and the draft section 30 order that two years would be deeply damaging to the people of we are publishing. Regarding the ballot paper, I heard Scotland. Does my right hon. Friend join me in wondering the Deputy First Minister say yesterday that she preferred why those who are so confident of the case for independence having a single question, so it is quite useful to get on are so unwilling to countenance a referendum now? and do what she, as well as the rest of us, wants to do. Could it be that the bravehearts are no longer quite so On the franchise, we are suggesting that the same brave as before? franchise that was the right basis on which the First Minister and all his colleagues in the Scottish Parliament Michael Moore: My right hon. and learned Friend were elected should be used to determine this historic makes an important point: over the past few months decision. As far as 16 and 17-year-olds participating is they have been strangely quiet about the need to get on concerned, there is an entirely fair debate about their with this referendum on an issue for which they have role in the electoral system generally, but it should not campaigned over many generations. be focused around a single electoral event to suit one I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend party or another. Let us just get on with the debate on for welcoming today’s announcement. In respect of the the fairest of terms; that is what we are offering. legal advice, may I advise him to look carefully at the consultation paper and the clear view about the authority Mr Bernard Jenkin (Harwich and North Essex) (Con): in the Scotland Act? I am absolutely certain that that I welcome my right hon. Friend’s statement, simply opinion is right, and as a result we need to ensure that because it is high time that the debate about Scottish the Scottish Parliament has the authority to pass a nationalism that has been raging in Scotland should be referendum Bill and get on with addressing this most debated here in Westminster, too. However, does he important decision. agree that there can be no question of holding a referendum that is legal, fair and decisive unless the proposal on the Angus Robertson (Moray) (SNP): I am grateful to the ballot paper is absolutely clear? Generally, I have to say Secretary of State for his timeous sharing of the statement I favour post-legislative referendums. in advance of his making it today. Last year, the Scottish National party won an historic Michael Moore: It is important that we have a legal landslide victory on a platform to hold a Scottish referendum that is conducted fairly, and that is decisive. independence referendum in the second half of the I would like to see it sooner, rather than later. It is Scottish Parliament. The Conservative party, the Liberal damaging to Scotland and its economy, affecting jobs Democrats and the Labour party opposed an independence and investment, if we simply have a long delay. I want to referendum, and each one of those parties lost heavily ensure that we have a proper debate about when that in the election, so why are this Westminster Government should be, and in this consultation we set out the way trying to dictate terms about the referendum to the we can sort the date of the referendum, by agreement. democratically elected Scottish Government, who have a mandate on this issue? Specifically, why are the Ann McKechin (Glasgow North) (Lab): There has Westminster Government seeking to dictate the date of already been a great deal of noise as a result of this the referendum and the questions on the ballot paper, afternoon’s statement, but it is very clear that the people and why are they seeking to exclude 16 and 17-year-olds of Scotland will not take to people playing games with from this important and historic referendum? their constitutional future. They will expect both 57 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 58

Administrations to work together to find a solution to Malcolm Bruce (Gordon) (LD): Further to that point, the problem that the Secretary of State has indicated does my right hon. Friend accept that the dynamic of today. Will he provide us with more information about transferring power from Scotland to England is something how he will consult and negotiate with the Scottish for which our party, the Liberal Democrats, has fought Government? Will this matter be referred to the joint for decades and has delivered for Scotland, that that ministerial council and, if required, be subject to its process can continue only within the dynamics of the dispute procedure? United Kingdom and that it should not be used to confuse a question about whether the people of Scotland Michael Moore: I am grateful to the hon. Lady for can decide whether to stay in the United Kingdom? her welcome for this. I absolutely agree that people in Does he welcome, as I do, the indication from the SNP Scotland will not thank any of us, from any political that finally it will stop confusing the electorate of Scotland party—whether we were elected in Scotland to serve and give us a straight question: are we going to stay in here in the House of Commons, or to serve in the the UK or not? Scottish Parliament—playing politics with this most important process, leading to the most important decision Michael Moore: I absolutely agree with my right hon. we will ever take as a country. I therefore agree with her Friend. Various suggestions about “devo max” have that it is important, as I have set out in my statement been thrown around without any definition of what it today and as we say in the consultation paper, that the might be and nobody has been willing to stand up and two Governments work together. I spoke earlier this say that it is actually what they want to put forward afternoon to the First Minister and asked him to consider themselves. Of course I agree with him that the Liberal carefully what is in the consultation paper. I look forward Democrats have proudly proposed ways to modernise to meeting him early on to discuss it further. the United Kingdom constitution, and all parties in this House will continue to do that. What matters for now Mark Lancaster (Milton Keynes North) (Con): Given is that we get on and have a clear and decisive decision the economic implications of an independent Scotland about our future, and I welcome the Deputy First for my constituents, when will the English finally get a Minister’s comments yesterday. say on the future of the Union? Anas Sarwar (Glasgow Central) (Lab): I broadly Michael Moore: I have to say to my hon. Friend that welcome the Secretary of State’s statement. Clearly the it is important that the people of Scotland decide their SNP won a mandate for a referendum, but now that it place in the United Kingdom. I am confident that when has won that mandate it is no longer the SNP’s or Alex they do so they will vote to stay within the United Kingdom. Salmond’s referendum, but Scotland’s referendum, because Scotland’s political future is way more important that Michael Connarty (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (Lab): any political party or individual politician. So does the May I commend the Secretary of State for the balance Secretary of State agree that all political parties, and with which he has approached this, unlike the leader of civic society, must come together in the best interests of the sulking six from the SNP on my left? It is very the people of Scotland and decide when that referendum important that we get it clear that this is not the end of should take place? the debate about the powers for Scotland; this is only Michael Moore: First, may I congratulate the hon. about the referendum on being in or out, which I Gentleman on his new role within the Scottish Labour happen to think is 13 years too late, as it should have party? I am sure that he will be travelling the length and been on the ballot paper in the first devolution referendum. breadth of the country to make the case that he was just Is it clear that we can continue with the debate, for some making, among other things. As for his central point, of us aspire to give more powers to Scotland within the I agree that it is important that all parties, and those of United Kingdom? none, get involved in this debate, so that all the people Michael Moore: I absolutely agree that there is a of Scotland are engaged in resolving the process and legitimate debate to be had about the powers that then getting on with the real debate. Scotland has within the United Kingdom. We have Mrs Eleanor Laing (Epping Forest) (Con): Given spent a long time on this in this House and their the astounding arrogance of the SNP in refusing to lordships will now consider the Scotland Bill, which will acknowledge that the Scottish Government simply do significantly enhance the powers of the Scottish Parliament, not have the legal power to hold a referendum, is the creating much greater financial accountability and giving Secretary of State aware that most people, in all parts of it much greater economic powers. I believe that the this United Kingdom, welcome the fact that he and the debate on devolution will continue; all of our parties, be Prime Minister have taken the initiative to allow a it the Labour party, the two parties in the coalition or referendum and let the voice of the Scottish people be the SNP, will continue to debate it. However, when we heard—not at some historically sentimental point in the have extended the powers of the Scottish Parliament it future but as soon as the consultation is cancelled—because has always been on the basis of a vigorous debate, Scotland and the UK need clarity and certainty now? where parties set out their stalls, there is a coming together as we develop consensus, as we did in the Michael Moore: My hon. Friend expresses her constitutional convention and in the Calman commission, disappointment in her usual characteristic style. I, too, and then legislation based on that consensus. That hope that the Scottish National party and the Scottish offers the best model for giving further powers to the Government will engage constructively and recognise Scottish Parliament, but we now have huge uncertainty the fact that it is in the interests of people across because of this prospect of an independence referendum. Scotland that the two Governments work together, get I want to get rid of the uncertainty. Let us get on with rid of this legal problem and get on with having the the debate about Scotland’s place in the United Kingdom. referendum on Scotland’s place in the United Kingdom. 59 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 60

Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP): which we can get on with the referendum and ensure Will the Secretary of State please pass on our most that all people across Scotland can make this most sincere and deepest gratitude to his right hon. Friend historic of decisions. I believe that when they do, they the Prime Minister, because his clumsy and inappropriate will decide to stay within the United Kingdom. steps into the constitutional question have led to thousands of people giving their support to the SNP and the Mr William Cash (Stone) (Con): Given that Scotland independence cause? There are lots of the Secretary of is in the European Union by virtue of a United Kingdom State’s friends on the Front Bench and lots of his Tory treaty as implemented by the Westminster European friends on the Back Benches—will he encourage them Communities Act 1972, does the Secretary of State to come to Scotland? The yes to independence cause accept that if there were to be an independence yes vote, needs to hear from the Conservatives. that would require a referendum of the United Kingdom as a whole? Michael Moore: There was me hoping that the new year would bring a generous new spirit from the hon. Michael Moore: Until almost to the end of that Gentleman but, as ever, I am to be disappointed. I love question, I thought that for once I might be in agreement the fact that he wants to get on with the debate—that with my hon. Friend on a matter to do with Europe. He would make a refreshing change from where the SNP is right to raise the issue of Europe because Scotland’s has been for the past seven months. membership of the European Union, were we to become an independent country, could not be taken for granted. Mark Menzies (Fylde) (Con): As the Secretary of There would have to be a process for getting into the State will no doubt be aware, a number of respected EU, which is vital for our economy. On that basis, I economic institutions, including Citigroup, have highlighted hope we will find common cause. that the prolonged uncertainty over Scotland’s future is costing investment and, ultimately, jobs in Scotland. Mr Brian H. Donohoe (Central Ayrshire) (Lab): I When the Secretary of State next meets the First Minister seek an assurance from the Secretary of State regarding of Scotland, will he ask him what he is feart of in the uncertainties that arise by virtue of the time being putting the decision in front of the people of Scotland taken to get to the point where we have a referendum, now? which are very damaging for inward investment possibilities. Right now I am trying to get inward investment of Michael Moore: I might put it slightly differently. some size into my constituency, but it is highly probable I have already suggested to the First Minister—and I that as a consequence of all this the high levels of intend to continue this discussion—that whatever our unemployment in my constituency will remain. Can he differences about the future of Scotland, it is important assure me that this process will take place sooner rather that we have a proper debate. I believe Scotland is far than later? stronger as part of the United Kingdom and that the United Kingdom is much the stronger for having Scotland Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman makes a really as part of it, whether we think about the economy, our important point about his constituency. I am aware that defence, our welfare system and our international clout huge decisions are being contemplated not just for his as Scots within the United Kingdom. I hope that we part of Ayrshire but for all parts of Scotland, and will get on with that debate, but in the meantime let us investors do not like uncertainty. We have seen the get a legal, fair and decisive referendum in progress. Citigroup report and the observations of the CBI and the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. It is bad for Mrs Anne McGuire (Stirling) (Lab): Over the past Scotland and for the UK to have this uncertainty. I 30 or so years, the one constant in constitutional want to see the referendum sooner rather than later and development in Scotland has been the fact that the we will do everything in our power to ensure that we can Scottish National party has held to the position that its do that. only position is independence for Scotland. Does the Secretary of State agree that it is faintly surreal that Mrs Anne Main (St Albans) (Con): I am really pleased now that the Administration in Edinburgh have been that my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has grasped offered the opportunity to have a legal basis on which this particular thistle. If there is an intention to build to hold a referendum that might give them their life’s HW2, or Hadrian’s Wall 2, surely we need to know ambition, they now appear to be rejecting it? Is that not because many large projects will stop short of Scotland an utterly bizarre position for a party that has not should the Scots not wish to be part of the Union. participated in the constitutional development of Scotland over the past 30 years? Michael Moore: I do not know how many questions the Secretary of State for Transport took on High Michael Moore: The right hon. Lady makes an important Speed 2, but that was a clever and ingenious further point. In all the discussions over many decades about question. My hon. Friend is entirely right to highlight enhancing Scotland’s powers within the United Kingdom, that for High Speed 2 to get to Scotland, everybody the SNP has set its face against being part of that would need to work together, but with an independent process. Occasionally, late in the day, it has joined in, Scotland who knows what they might think of that. Let but it has mostly turned its back. That is one thing, us not forget that it is not just High Speed 2 that is but to turn its back on a process that would enable a relevant. Lots of defence projects in Scotland are hugely referendum on its life cause and its entire mission in dependent and are part of the Scottish economy, whether politics is very odd indeed. I hope that when SNP they are on the Clyde or in Fife. For many reasons members reflect carefully on the proposition, they will I think that Scotland should continue to be within see that it is very reasonable and sets out a fair basis on the UK. 61 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 62

Ian Lucas (Wrexham) (Lab): Is it the UK Government’s Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con): I knew that position that the referendum should take place within would be the case. Does the Secretary of State believe 18 months of today? that there is any danger of the SNP boycotting a legitimate referendum, and if so, what would be the Michael Moore: No. If the hon. Gentleman looks at outcome if the vote were in favour of remaining in the the consultation paper, he will see that no date was set United Kingdom? in the consultation. I certainly believe it should be sooner rather than later and I hope to persuade the Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman invites me to Scottish Government and people across Scotland that consider a hypothetical question, which I do not believe we should have it as soon as possible. However, 18 months will be the reality. I think it is important—and I believe is not the position of the Government and is not in the it would be very strange if the Scottish Government did consultation document. not—that they engage in the process of discussing this and that they consider the aspects that we are putting Mr Alan Reid (Argyll and Bute) (LD): I welcome the forward in the consultation today about providing a statement. The Electoral Commission is independent legal basis for a referendum and having a fair process and is the only body with the expertise to oversee this and a decisive outcome. I think that that is important, referendum. Does my right hon. Friend agree that it and it would seem very strange if the Scottish Government would be an outrage if the referendum proceeded as per were to turn round and say they did not want to be part the SNP’s draft Bill whereby it would be overseen by a of that process. body that would not be independent of the Scottish Government? The SNP has a mandate to hold a referendum Mr Jamie Reed (Copeland) (Lab): Deciding about not to rig a referendum. independence is, of course, the sovereign right of the Scottish people and has consequences for the rest of the Michael Moore: I absolutely agree that it is vital that citizens of the United Kingdom. Will the Secretary of people can have confidence in the referendum process, State raise with the Scottish Government the precise that it has a legal basis, that it is fair and that it will get a date upon which the radioactive materials from Scotland clear, decisive outcome. The role of a body such as the stored in my constituency will be returned to Scotland Electoral Commission will be vital because only through in the event of independence? [Interruption.] its neutrality, independence and experience can we get the necessary confidence so that the process and rules Michael Moore: A colleague says from a sedentary are not an issue. I hope that as we discuss and debate position that that is a toxic question. The hon. Gentleman this issue across Scotland people will agree that the raises one of many issues that we have had sight of this commission is the right body to oversee the referendum. afternoon that perhaps need to be debated when we get on to the referendum. What I am trying to do is make Dr Eilidh Whiteford (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): The sure that, reasonably and quickly, we get on to that very Secretary of State has already responded to a question referendum. this afternoon about the eligibility of 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in the referendum. I have only had a chance to Louise Mensch (Corby) (Con): Corby is the fastest- have a fairly cursory look at the draft order attached to growing town in England and it boasts one of the his consultation paper, but perhaps he can clarify whether largest concentrations of people of Scottish heritage it will be the case that European citizens living in and descent south of the border. I am grateful to my Scotland will be eligible to vote in a referendum but right hon. Friend for saying that people outwith Scotland 16 and 17-year-olds will not. I understand the pressures will be consulted during the consultation, but will he of government, but will he support his own party’s assure me that Scots who live outside of Scotland will policy—it has been a long-standing proponent of 16 and get the chance to have their voices heard? 17-year-olds having the vote—and support the rights of 16 and 17-year-olds to vote? Michael Moore: We will not restrict this consultation to people who consider themselves Scots. Wherever Michael Moore: What we are proposing is the same they might live—in Monaco or elsewhere—they will be franchise as was good enough for the First Minister and entitled to take part in this consultation. When it comes every MSP in the Scottish Parliament. I find it slightly to the vote, I think that, following internationally agreed strange that people would argue that was not somehow precedents, it would be important that it is the people in a legitimate franchise on which to be elected. As to my Scotland who make that decision. own party’s position, I was clear about that earlier on, but I also made the point—I hope the hon. Lady would Lindsay Roy (Glenrothes) (Lab): What approaches accept this—that we can argue about the role of 16 and has the Secretary of State made so far to discuss referendum 17-year-olds in the democratic process legitimately for issues with the Scottish Government, and what has all elections and all referendums and electoral events; been their response? to pick it out on one moment and to apply it in these particular circumstances would, I think, be wrong. But Michael Moore: As I mentioned, I spoke to the First let us have the debate; let us see what people across Minister earlier this afternoon, and I hope we will be Scotland believe. able to meet soon to discuss the proposals that we have set out in the consultation. We have, of course, for some Mr Speaker: Seeking now single supplementary questions time been discussing with colleagues in the Scottish of stunning succinctness, my eyes look no further than Government when they were going to bring forward Dr Julian Lewis. their own proposals on a referendum. None has been 63 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 64

[Michael Moore] Mr James Clappison (Hertsmere) (Con): Can my right hon. Friend confirm that the UK opt-out from the forthcoming, although I hear that today they might be single currency is an opt-out for the UK, and that new hurrying that up. We have provided the basis for a candidate countries for the European Union are committed, discussion, and I hope the two Governments can work as a matter of law, to sign up to the introduction of well together for the people of Scotland. the euro?

John Thurso (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman makes a very (LD): My right hon. Friend and a number of other hon. important point. Members have referred to the uncertainty, particularly over jobs and investment. Can I tell my right hon. Cathy Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab/Co- Friend that mature opinion in the far north, whether it op): There has been a great deal of speculation in be in favour of the United Kingdom or in favour of advance of this statement about so-called sunset clauses. independence, recognises that uncertainty and wishes to Will the Secretary of State make it absolutely clear see it resolved. Will he therefore ensure that his consultation whether he has completely ruled out setting a date or goes to those of mature political opinion throughout setting some time scale within the order that transfers Scotland and ignores the bleatings of those in the responsibility to the Scottish Government? nationalist playpen opposite? Michael Moore: The hon. Lady makes an important Michael Moore: I think everybody in Scotland, whatever point. We have said in the consultation paper—I have their temperament, will be welcomed to be part of the said it many times already—that we want this sooner consultation, but I agree with my hon. Friend that rather than later. We have shown in the draft section 30 many from both sides of the debate want the clarity and order that it would be possible to include a date by the legal certainty that we are offering and to get on which this should be completed. What we have not done with the debate—which, after all, has been the reason is say what that date should be, or the time period the SNP has existed for decades. I still am not sure why leading up to that from the point when we debate it. So it is resisting a way forward. I hope that when we discuss we will get on with that process, but it is important that the detail, it will agree with us and we will resolve this we agree that. and get on and have the referendum. Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): My constituency is Ian Paisley (North Antrim) (DUP): I welcome the in Beckenham in Kent, but I am a Scot, and I am forthright and determined approach that the Government surrounded by Scots. I have got a Stewart there, my are taking to ensure that the most important constitutional hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border issue to affect our nation is being taken by the scruff of (Rory Stewart), and a Stewart there, my hon. Friend the the neck, quite frankly, and driven by those on the Member for Milton Keynes South (Iain Stewart). I am Front Bench. Does the Minister accept that uncertainty a Stewart; I am half a Stewart; and I have got a about the Union in Northern Ireland caused decades of half-Scot beside me in the Father of the House. We are economic hardship, and that the sooner we get this very interested in what happens in Scotland, and I matter resolved for the rest of the kingdom, the better; would like to ask the Secretary of State how we can put and that it is absolutely essential that the Government our views forward properly about what happens to our harness all the support from across the House—on the ancestral homeland. [Interruption.] Opposition Benches as well as the Government Benches— and from our colleagues in Scotland to ensure that, Mr Speaker: Order. Having heard the question from together, we maintain the Union? the hon. Member for Beckenham (Bob Stewart), I am all ears; I want to hear the Secretary of State’s answer. Michael Moore: May I, with all due deference to the hon. Gentleman, say that I would not, for very obvious Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman was right to say reasons, draw a comparison necessarily between the the Stewarts have a proud tradition in Scotland, as do experience in Northern Ireland and the really sensitive many, many others—I do not wish to get into a battle challenges that Northern Ireland has faced over a very of the clans. I encourage the hon. Gentleman to take a long period and the experience in Scotland and the rest copy of the consultation, and I look forward to his of the United Kingdom. Where I would agree with the contribution to it. hon. Gentleman is that uncertainty is bad for business; it is bad for Scots and others in the UK planning their Gordon Banks (Ochil and South Perthshire) (Lab): lives and their future. I want to get that uncertainty We have already heard this afternoon about the SNP’s resolved and get on with the actual referendum, during preference for 16 and 17-year-olds to be able to vote in which I am confident Scotland will vote to continue to this one-off referendum. Can the Secretary of State tell be part of the United Kingdom. me whether there has been any impediment, over the past five years, to the SNP Government in Holyrood Several hon. Members rose— lowering the voting age to 16 or 17 for Scottish council elections? Mr Speaker: Order. I am keen to accommodate the interest of colleagues, as always, but time is pressing Michael Moore: The Scottish Parliament can determine and we do have a Second Reading of an important Bill, all the appropriate arrangements on devolved matters. so I appeal again for brevity from Back and Front What I have said clearly today is that it cannot do that Benchers alike. on a referendum about independence. It is important 65 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 66 that we sort this out, but I agree that we should judge a fair process beyond reproach and that we get a clear-cut this by how people have acted rather than by what they outcome. That is in all our interests and I welcome the complain about now. principle that we should all meet to talk.

Mr Ben Wallace (Wyre and Preston North) (Con): Sir Robert Smith (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) Some 1.9 million Scots voted for Unionist parties in (LD): Surely the clear message today from the statement 2010, compared with 480,000 who voted for the Scottish is to the Scottish Government to engage in the consultation, National party. Westminster Scottish MPs have every because it gives the clearest opportunity for the people right to speak for Scotland with an equal, if not greater, of Scotland to have clarity in a debate that is based on mandate. Has my right hon. Friend given any consideration the issues and not one that is dragged through the courts. to the tens of thousands of service personnel working in Scottish regiments or in the British Army, posted Michael Moore: I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. abroad or in England, and whether they will be allowed a vote or a say in the future of the United Kingdom? John Robertson (Glasgow North West) (Lab): A good new year to you, Mr Speaker, and to all Members of the Michael Moore: My hon. Friend has, of course, House. represented people in both Scotland and England and Fuel poverty is rising, child poverty is rising and pensioner he speaks with authority on these matters. I entirely poverty is rising. We have seen from the arrogance of take his point about mandates. He raises an important Members on the Scottish National party Benches that point about the involvement of defence personnel and this matter is going to end up in court. How much will I look forward to his contribution to the consultation. the consultation and the referendum cost the British taxpayer? Mr Tom Harris (Glasgow South) (Lab): I welcome today’s statement. What discussions has the Secretary Michael Moore: I reciprocate the wishes of the hon. of State had with Ministers about the possibility of a Gentleman for a happy new year and hope we may all clarity Act, which might be seen as a somewhat less be in a good mood throughout it. Of course there will heavy-handed mechanism to force our nationalist friends be a cost to any democratic process, but it is clear that to ignore their own base instinct and to offer the Scottish we have a major historic decision to make. I am keen people the fair and honest referendum we deserve? that we get on with that and that we do it in a clear, fair and decisive way. Michael Moore: Nobody here intends to be heavy-handed or to force anything. What we want to do is find Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) (Con): During agreement that will enable us here at Westminster to the consideration of the Scotland Act 1998 in this place, ensure that the Scottish Parliament has the powers to the then Scottish Secretary, Donald Dewar, said: conduct the referendum and that it does so in a fair and “A referendum that purported to pave the way for something decisive way. We are starting a consultation period that was ultra vires is itself ultra vires.”—[Official Report,12May today. I look forward to everybody contributing to it. 1998; Vol. 312, c. 598.] In the absence of his being able to publish legal advice, James Wharton (Stockton South) (Con): The Secretary does my right hon. Friend agree that that statement of State has indicated that he believes that only those makes it perfectly clear where the law stands? who are on the electoral register in Scotland should get to vote in any referendum. Does that extend to registered Michael Moore: As ever, my hon. Friend has been overseas voters who remain on the Scottish register? If assiduous in his homework, for which I commend him. it does, will he look at the possibility of extending that Indeed, the late sadly lost leader, Donald Dewar, when facility to those Scots who find themselves living not he debated it from the Dispatch Box all those years ago, abroad, but elsewhere in the United Kingdom? set out clearly what he believed would or would not be allowable within the law. I think the Act was well Michael Moore: As I have said on a number of written. It is clear and I invite everybody to scrutinise it. occasions, we are proposing that the franchise should I believe that when they do, they will come to the same be that which elects the Scottish Parliament. conclusion as we have. Therefore we need to get on and provide a legal basis for the referendum. Gemma Doyle (West Dunbartonshire) (Lab/Co-op): The leader of the Scottish Labour party called today for Stewart Hosie (Dundee East) (SNP): The Scottish cross-party talks in Scotland on issues including the Secretary made great play of what he called uncertainty date of the referendum. I know that the Secretary of threatening business investment, so he will be aware of State has already welcomed cross-party talks. Can he the Wood Mackenzie report today, which shows record confirm that the Liberal Democrats would be willing to North sea investment planned for 2012 and consistently participate, and that he in his role as Secretary of State high investment going beyond 2014, which rather gives would participate in such talks? the lie to the allegation that he made. Will he come clean with the House? Can he name one company that has Michael Moore: I am sure the new Scottish Labour threatened not to invest, or will he finally do the right leader will be talking to our colleague, Willie Rennie, thing and apologise for his scaremongering? the leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, but I agree with the principle. We should all be talking together Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman is not usually so that we can ensure that we get the right process for so churlish. He should understand better than almost the referendum, we make it legal, we ensure that there is anyone else, because he studies these things carefully, 67 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 68

[Michael Moore] in Scotland to hold a referendum as late as possible is an indication of their inability to answer the many, that businesses take decisions on a very long time scale. many questions that have been put to them by the They are looking for certainty. They want confidence in Scottish people on separatism? the future, and as we have seen with the Citigroup report, the Institution of Mechanical Engineers and Michael Moore: As I have said a few times this the CBI, which the last time I looked spoke for many afternoon and many times elsewhere, it is a real curiosity businesses across Scotland and the UK, uncertainty is for a party that has always existed for one purpose to be bad for business and bad for jobs. Let us get rid of that so reticent about getting on with the debate about uncertainty. I cannot understand why the hon. Gentleman Scotland’s future within the United Kingdom or as a and his friends do not want to resolve this and get on separate country. I hope that we will now get a proper, with the real debate. constructive, reasonable engagement where we can get on with that real debate. David Mowat (Warrington South) (Con): The Secretary of State will have seen today’s press reports which say Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford) (Con): Does my right hon. that apparently, as of this week, the Scottish First Friend agree that a referendum should not involve a Minister is applying the finishing touches to his own sterile discussion of costs and benefits or political advantage, referendum plans and will publish them in the next but the great strengths that Scotland brings within the month. If that turns out to be the case, would the United Kingdom and that being part of the United Secretary of State agree that at last we were making Kingdom brings to Scotland? some progress? Michael Moore: I absolutely agree with my hon. Michael Moore: I hope that on the basis of the early Friend. conversation that we have had and the intent on my part that we should have further discussions, we will be able Mr Mike Weir (Angus) (SNP): In answer to an earlier to consider the proposals that we have set out in detail question, the Secretary of State again went on about the this afternoon. It makes common sense and it is the uncertainty caused by the lack of a referendum, but most reasonable proposition on earth that we should when the Prime Minister’s spokesman was asked about get the two Governments working together to provide a this this morning, the only thing he could refer to was a legal, certain basis for the referendum, and then we can Citigroup report, the same one that the Secretary of get on and have this most profound debate about our State referred to, which is specifically on renewables. future in Scotland. But if he looks at it he will know that Gamesa, SG, Doosan Babcock, Mitsubishi, Aquamarine Power, EDP Sheila Gilmore (Edinburgh East) (Lab): I welcome Renewables and Repsol— the commitment from the Secretary of State to the broadest negotiation and widest discussion within Scotland on the subject, but I hope he will agree that it is unwise Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): Order. to conduct the debate through statements made in the The statement has been going on a long time already media or on television programmes, even by people as and Members still wish to speak. The hon. Gentleman exalted as the Prime Minister. knows very well that he should be brief.

Michael Moore: Over the coming weeks we will have Michael Moore: The hon. Gentleman needs to pay many different ways of contributing to the debate, attention to people at the CBI and others and recognise whether we are politicians or people across Scotland. I that it is self-evident that when there is uncertainty look forward, whether in my own constituency or any about the constitutional future of Scotland, investment other part of Scotland, to people looking at the decisions will become difficult. I want to get all question consultation, engaging with the issues and giving us of uncertainty removed from the debate. I cannot their views. It is not about politicians. It is about the understand why they seem so reluctant to get on with it. people of Scotland. Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): The SNP at Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire) (Con): Relentless Holyrood has a political mandate to hold a referendum debate in Scotland led by the Scottish Government on independence, so I welcome my right hon. Friend’s about Scottish independence causes great uncertainty plans to devolve the powers so that it can be held legally throughout the United Kingdom, including in Wales. and fairly, but does he agree that page 28 of the SNP We cannot afford this distraction. Does my right hon. manifesto clearly shows that that mandate is for a Friend agree that the issue should be dealt with as simple yes-no question, so that there is no confusion, no quickly as possible to ensure that Governments throughout legal chaos, just a decisive result, decided by the voters, the United Kingdom, including devolved Governments, not the courts? concentrate and focus on growth, jobs and the things that we really need? Michael Moore: There have been a number of months where the prospect of two questions has been bandied Michael Moore: Yes. around, although when pressed Ministers were unable to answer how one would determine which result to pay Mr Iain McKenzie (Inverclyde) (Lab): It will come as heed to if both were given yes votes, particularly if no surprise that I welcome and agree with the Secretary independence got, say, 51% and extra powers got 80%. of State’s desire to hold a referendum as soon as possible. Apparently, independence would have won. We need a Does he agree that the desire of the SNP Government single, clear question, and I am glad that after many 69 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 70 months of skirting around this, the Deputy First Minister a way by which we can devolve that power on a fair and yesterday conceded that point and said she wanted a reasonable basis that will ensure that we get a clear and single question herself. decisive outcome.

Graeme Morrice (Livingston) (Lab): I welcome the Katy Clark (North Ayrshire and Arran) (Lab): The Secretary of State’s statement. Could he therefore confirm Secretary of State will be aware that the SNP is putting that if the UK Government devolve the power to hold a a significant amount of effort into fundraising, given referendum on separation, as he has said, to the Scottish that this is basically everything that they are all about. Government, Alex Salmond would have no excuses left What does he think his role should be in ensuring that whatsoever for not getting on this year, or next year at there is a full debate in Scotland? Does he agree that the very latest, with holding a referendum on Scotland’s many people in Scotland have not really given proper future? consideration to the arguments for and against separation?

Michael Moore: I want that referendum to take place Michael Moore: The hon. Lady gets to the heart of sooner rather than later. We are offering to fix a problem the issue about how we would conduct the referendum that exists and make sure that we can get on and when it takes place and the need for it to be done on a conduct that referendum in a reasonable way. I hope basis that is recognised and not challenged by people that we will be able to work together with the Scottish who are either participants or voters. It is important Government to get those issues resolved and get on that spending limits and all other aspects of the rules of with that debate. the process are clear. It is for that reason that we are suggesting that the Electoral Commission might be, or would be, the appropriate way to oversee the process. I Mary Macleod (Brentford and Isleworth) (Con): I hope that as we debate this people will agree on that welcome the statement and congratulate the Government point. on their leadership on this important matter to Scotland and the UK. What reassurance has the Secretary of State had from the Scottish National party and the Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): My constituents First Minister that they will work with the UK Government in Kettering deserve a say on the future make-up of the on this and accept a fair, legal and decisive referendum? United Kingdom just as much as the Secretary of State’s constituents in Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk. The way to overcome the legal challenge is not to Michael Moore: I hope that the Scottish National devolve the powers to the Scottish Government, but to party will engage with this. I am pretty sure that it will hold a UK-wide yes or no referendum with the result because when it gets the chance to study the detail, it announced in two parts, one the result from Scotland will see that what we are offering is a very reasonable and second the result from everywhere else, because it process by which we can get rid of the legal uncertainty may well be that Scotland votes to stay, but the rest of and have a fairly conducted and decisive referendum. the country invites Scotland to leave.

Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab): Further to an Michael Moore: If I may say so, I regret the slightly earlier question about the manifesto, is the Secretary of discordant tone of my hon. Friend’s observation. I have State aware that nowhere in the SNP manifesto, as far answered the point several times already. It is important as I am aware, does it say that a referendum will take that we follow the democratically appropriate route and place in the second part of the Parliament? It says only the internationally recognised way of doing this and that a referendum will take place. It constantly tells us allow for self-determination within Scotland on this that it has an overwhelming mandate to hold a referendum important issue. in the second half of the Parliament; that is strictly not true. Dr William McCrea (South Antrim) (DUP): I welcome the Secretary of State’s statement. Can he assure me Michael Moore: The manifesto was clear. It was about that this Government will be robust in its defence of the a straightforward question on independence, not about Union? the timing. We believe this should happen sooner rather than later, and I look forward to the responses that we Michael Moore: I am absolutely committed to Scotland get from people across Scotland. remaining part of the United Kingdom. When we can get on to that debate, I will be clear in arguing the case Fiona Bruce (Congleton) (Con): Given the references on that, day in and day out. At the moment we have to that we have heard in the public debate on this matter to get to that debate, and today we have offered a reasonable legally binding referendums and consultative referendums, and straightforward way that we might do that. does the Secretary of State agree that that is a totally false distinction? Mr Russell Brown (Dumfries and Galloway) (Lab): My hon. Friend the Member for Dundee West (Jim Michael Moore: My hon. Friend has put her finger McGovern) is exactly right. The SNP manifesto last right at the heart of the issue. There is no distinction in year made no reference whatsoever to the second half the legal status of referendums in Scotland between one of the Parliament, but does the Secretary of State feel that might be considered advisory or consultative on that if the legal powers are transferred and the SNP has the one hand, and a so-called legally binding one on the a good showing in May’s local government elections, other. The Scottish Parliament does not have the power the First Minister might just take a gamble, ignore the to have a referendum on independence. We are offering second half of the Parliament and go for a snap referendum? 71 Scotland’s Constitutional Future10 JANUARY 2012 Scotland’s Constitutional Future 72

Michael Moore: I am not going to speculate on the Michael Moore: I anticipate that the debate over the election results in May, but I agree that we should get a timing of the referendum will continue for a long time clear basis for the referendum and get it sooner rather unless we resolve the legal basis on which a referendum than later. might take place. At the moment, no referendum initiated by the Scottish Parliament could take place. We are Mr Angus Brendan MacNeil (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) determined to ensure that we give the Scottish Parliament (SNP): The Secretary of State has made a big issue of a that power in the appropriate way so that we can get on point of law, but in June last year, Professor Stephen with the debate as soon as possible. Tierney, professor of constitutional theory at Edinburgh university, said: Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) (Lab): More Welsh “The Scottish Parliament has the authority to stage a referendum.” Members are left until the end, Madam Deputy Speaker. Does the Secretary of State agree that Scotland’s democratic Is not the SNP wrong to say that there have never been Parliament does not need Westminster’s permission for binding referendums in the UK before? Was not the a self-determination referendum, although a generous unsuccessful referendum on the alternative vote that the spirit from the Westminster Government would indeed Government held last year a binding referendum? be welcome? Michael Moore: It is not a question of whether the Michael Moore: I am afraid that for reasons that should referendum is binding, consultative, advisory or whatever now be obvious I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman. other adjective the hon. Gentleman cares to apply. At the present time, the Scottish Parliament could not Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab): The Secretary of State bring forward a referendum on a legal basis. We want to will be aware that in Wales a convention process took ensure that it can do so, and are offering the way that place before the referendum on further powers. Can he that can be done through the consultation. explain exactly how we will ensure the fullest possible participation by trade unions, the business community Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): It is not just the euro and a genuinely representative cross-section of civic that an independent Scotland would have to sign up to society in the consultation that he has announced? if it wanted to join the European Union, is it? It would also have to sign up to the Schengen agreement, because Michael Moore: The consultation is open to everyone European law makes it absolutely clear that that would in Scotland and across the United Kingdom, and indeed have to happen. Would we be considering setting up elsewhere, should they wish to offer their opinions. I am border controls between England and Scotland? confident that we will get a good response, and I hope that we will then be able to chart a way to getting a Michael Moore: As the Member of Parliament who legal, fair and decisive referendum and a proper decision represents the longest stretch of that border, I hope that on Scotland’s place in the United Kingdom. we will never be in a position in which such barriers might exist. I am confident that when we get to the Mr Wayne David (Caerphilly) (Lab): I understand proper debate, that will not be the way it ends up. that the Scottish First Minister has announced that there will be a referendum in the autumn of 2014. Will Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): Secretary the Secretary of State give his reaction to that indication, of State, thank you. Some 57 Back-Bench Members and tell us whether it is correct? participated in the statement. 73 10 JANUARY 2012 74

Points of Order Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing) Motion for leave to bring in a Bill (Standing Order 6.22 pm No. 23) Mr Gareth Thomas (Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op): On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. As you will 6.24 pm be aware, in accordance with our parliamentary duties, all Members at one time or another table written questions, Stephen Gilbert (St Austell and Newquay) (LD): I and inevitably expect a reasonable delay before they are beg to move, answered. I have four written questions that have not That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make provisions to been answered by the Department for Environment, require owners of park home sites to undergo a fit and proper Food and Rural Affairs, the earliest of which was tabled person test; to introduce a national licensing scheme for individual on 13 October 2011. Another was tabled on 17 October owners of park home sites; and for connected purposes. and the remaining two on 27 October. Will you advice The Bill would help to increase protections for some me on whether there are any devices I can exploit in of the most vulnerable in our communities—those who order to encourage the Secretary of State to ensure that live on park home sites—by introducing a national I receive answers to those questions? licensing regime and a fit and proper person test for those who seek to own such sites. As hon. Members will Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): As the know, park homes are modern bungalow-style residential hon. Gentleman will know, that is not strictly a matter properties, usually sited on private estates. The park for the Chair, but he has successfully exploited one of home industry is a billion pound business and there are the mechanisms whereby Members can draw a matter more than 2,000 park home sites across the UK, primarily to the attention of the Leader of the House, who is in but not exclusively in rural areas such as Cornwall. his place. The quality of answers from Ministers is not the responsibility of the Chair, but I am sure that the For the vast majority of the quarter of a million Leader of the House will ensure that the appropriate residents on park home sites, their park home constitutes message is conveyed to the Department. their only home. Many residents are elderly, with a number of park home sites setting a minimum near- Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) (Lab): On a point of retirement age as a condition of residence. Indeed, the order, Madam Deputy Speaker. You and Mr Speaker industry heavily markets itself to property-rich, but are always very generous in accommodating Back-Benchers cash-poor, senior citizens. The advertising paints a picture during ministerial statements, but Mr Speaker had to of like-minded individuals forming idyllic communities speak to a Minister earlier about the length of the in which they will live out their twilight years in comfort initial statement that was made. Would you advise us on and contentment, made all the better by the equity what advice is given to Ministers on how long their release that moving to a park home brings. Almost all initial statements should be? the sites are privately owned and run as profit-making businesses. Madam Deputy Speaker: Nice try, Mr Brennan. Strictly Most sites are owned by individuals, and although speaking, that is a matter for whoever is in the Chair at some site owners own a single park, others might own the time and the Minister. As Mr Speaker has made 20 or more. Park owners with a single site will tend to clear on a number of occasions, particularly when a manage it themselves, but those with multiple sites large number of Members wish to participate, the Chair’s might employ site managers to run individual sites on expectation is that the Minister at the Dispatch Box will their behalf. Sites can be bought and sold at the whim of take due note and make a contribution of an appropriate an individual. Anyone can own a park home site, and as length to ensure that everyone gets in. things currently stand, a long criminal history or prior evidence of malpractice within the industry is no barrier to an individual buying and running a site. The current residents of a site have no say whatever about it being sold, or who purchases it. I want to be absolutely clear that the majority of park home site owners conduct themselves in a professional manner and serve the people they accommodate well. However, the actions of a small but significant number of site owners who harass often vulnerable and elderly people can no longer be ignored. My Bill proposes one way of addressing this bad practice within the industry, by bringing in a national licensing regime for the owners of park home sites and a fit and proper person test. I do not believe that those measures alone will address all the problems faced by some residents, but they will be a step towards the greater protections that are desperately needed. We should be clear that the majority of park home site owners have absolutely nothing to fear from a fit and proper person test, which in my opinion would help to drive up standards across the industry, but we need to take steps to secure a thriving and well-run park 75 Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing)10 JANUARY 2012 Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing) 76

[Stephen Gilbert] the site owner through the court process. In addition, the length of time that it would inevitably take for that home sector that continues to provide people with sites process to be completed would no doubt result in the on which they want to live, and opportunities for investment loss of that prospective purchaser. for others. I believe that a national licensing system will The Park Home Owners Justice campaign, ably led maintain standards, root out bad practice and ensure by Sonia McColl, reports that rouge site owners visit that sites are safe, well planned and well managed, and local estate agents who market park homes to tell them have appropriate facilities and services. that they will not allow any homes on their site to be Indeed, the previous Government said in their March sold. Rogue site owners also intercept prospective purchasers 2010 document “Park homes site licensing reform” that visiting the site to put them off, by rubbishing either the they were committed to home or even the site in general, and they bully residents ‘a comprehensive licensing regime which ensures that only “fit by telling them their homes are defective in some way, and proper” persons are engaged in the management of park and threaten to evict them from the site unless their homes sites and which is backed by effective enforcements tools’. homes are brought up to standard. This Government’s Housing Minister said in a written It is reported that rogue owners tell residents that ministerial statement in February last year that he was improvements to their park homes are illegal when they “announcing my intention to consult on a further package of are not. Many park home residents report being subject measures that could improve and modernise the licensing regime to harassment, intimidation, abuse, and, in the worst that applies to caravan and park home sites to enable local cases, arson of their park homes. Through such abuses, authorities to more effectively monitor and enforce licences and, a site owner effectively traps residents in their homes therefore, better protect the many thousands of older households while creating a climate of fear. Many residents are frail who live in this sector.”—[Official Report, 10 February 2011; and vulnerable, and their physical and mental health Vol. 523, c. 15WS.] can be easily impacted on. Eventually, the suffering That was welcome news in 2010, as it was the year after, reaches the extent that, desperate to get out, the resident but so far there has been little sign of a consultation will sell to the site owner for a fraction of the park emerging from the Government. I am delighted that my home’s market value. There is evidence of rogue site right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Communities owners then buying further sites where the same tactics and Local Government is in his place to hear me tell the of abuse are brought to bear on a different group of House that the one thing that park home residents luckless residents. across the country are saying to us is that they need the My Bill seeks to create additional protections for Government to get on with this. residents of park homes by creating a two-tier licensing In the absence of further action by the Government, regime. In an era of localism, it is right that local my Bill seeks to help the two in every three park home authorities should be responsible for issuing and monitoring residents who report living in unacceptable conditions. the site licence, which would cover such matters as the Almost half of all residents report living under the site’s suitability, amenities and services. In line with the regime of an unscrupulous park owner. It aims to build recommendation from the trade and the two national on the work of hon. Members from both sides of the residents associations in response to the previous House in raising this important issue, notably my hon. Government’s consultation, there should be a national Friends the Members for Mid Dorset and North Poole licensing authority, the role of which would be to decide (Annette Brooke) and for Romsey and Southampton whether an applicant to own a park home site was a North (Caroline Nokes). I am delighted that the Bill “fit and proper person”, and suitable to manage the has attracted cross-party support, and note that other accommodation of others. I suggest that that responsibility Members—such as my hon. Friend the Member for could sit with the newly empowered residential property Wyre and Preston North (Mr Wallace)—also wanted tribunal service. If so, the national authority would to have their names on the Bill, but could not be issue a personal licence. If the applicant were refused a accommodated. It is clear that there is a desire on both licence, he would not be able to manage any park home sides of the House to sort out the problems that for too site anywhere. long have bedevilled the park homes industry. It is that two-tier approach, as part of a package of Problems in the park homes sector occur because the other measures that I expect from the Government, that current system of regulation and the industry’s economics I wish to commend to the House. Those of us who have make it an attractive proposition to a number of rogue significant numbers of park homes in our communities site owners who are intent on making substantial sums know only too well that budget pressures mean local of money. When taking over a site of, say, 30 park homes, authorities often do not resource park home issues a rogue site owner only needs to replace 10 existing properly at the moment. We also know that many homes with new ones to make a significant profit. Of environmental health officers do not have the expertise course, the problem for the rogue site owner in achieving in legal and financial matters in the context of park that is that there might not be 10 individuals who want homes, and are not best placed to assess someone’s to leave the site. Rogue owners then begin a process of suitability to own and manage a site. A national regime forcing residents to leave, or to sell their park homes to would remove the chance of duplication in the work of the site owner on advantageous terms. local authorities, and therefore reduce the costs of Practices that are, sadly, commonplace include the introducing additional protection for park home residents, vetoing of all sales of homes within the site, including as well as ensure a consistent level of national protection any that are part way through. Although regulations for all residents of park homes. allow home owners to challenge the unreasonable rejection I am sure that all hon. Members agree that we need to of prospective purchasers, the reality is that most do ensure that everybody can enjoy their home unfettered, not have the emotional or financial resources to take and I commend my Bill to the House. 77 Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing)10 JANUARY 2012 Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing) 78

6.34 pm I suggest that, like many ideas that come before the Mr Christopher Chope (Christchurch) (Con): I just House, this idea would mean introducing disproportionate want to put down a marker. Not everybody in the and heavy-handed regulation to address a problem. House thinks that the solution to this problem, which How would the idea of a fit and proper person test, the hon. Member for St Austell and Newquay (Stephen which is at the core of the hon. Gentleman’s proposal, Gilbert) rightly identifies, is the one that he proposes. work in practice? Are we saying that only people with criminal records would be excluded from becoming As chairman of the all-party parliamentary group on park home site owners, or would exclusion be extended mobile homes, I am well aware of the problems with more widely? How will we deal with corporate bodies park homes, particularly regarding their sale. Indeed, and companies? We know that many rogue directors I introduced the Sale of Park Homes Bill, which sadly run companies up and down the country. How would has not yet received a Second Reading. Not only that, we deal with them? Would his solution of a fit and but it has not even been printed, because I have been proper person test address that? waiting until I have seen the consultation paper that the Government said they would publish last year. The I am urging on the hon. Gentleman the idea that Minister for Housing and Local Government is sitting there might be better ways to address the problem than on the Front Bench, and I hope that that consultation having the knee-jerk reaction of saying, “Let’s have paper, which he has promised, will be published very more regulation, and a new fit and proper person test soon. When it is, I anticipate that it will show that the that everybody must go through.” In my submission, solution— that test has not been properly analysed. I shall not press the motion to a Division tonight, but the Bill Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): Order. might be printed, and then he might see that the consultation Mr Chope, are you speaking in opposition to the ten-minute paper has a better solution, along the lines I have rule Bill? suggested. That could be the way forward. Mr Chope: Yes, Madam Deputy Speaker, I am speaking I will not speak any longer, because there is a lot of against the Bill because the hon. Member for St Austell pressure on the time of the House, but I thought it and Newquay does not have the right solution to the would be wrong to allow this proposal to go through on problem. He has identified a problem that exists in the nod just because everybody agrees that there is a many hon. Members’ constituencies, but that does not problem to be addressed. Hon. Members must be assured mean that any legislation that purports to address it will in their own minds that the solution proposed is the deliver. That is why I am speaking against the Bill. I am right one. putting down a marker on the Bill, but at the same time Question put and agreed to. encouraging the Minister to produce the consultation paper. My feeling is that the problem would be better addressed Ordered, by focusing on the sale of park homes rather than by That Stephen Gilbert, Mr Robert Buckland, Andrew introducing an inevitably bureaucratic and heavy-handed George, Stephen Lloyd, Tessa Munt, Sheryll Murray, licensing system. As the hon. Gentleman said, a very Caroline Nokes, Dan Rogerson, Mr Adrian Sanders, large proportion of park home site owners are reasonable Heather Wheeler, Dr Sarah Wollaston and Gordon Banks and supported by local residents. Why should those present the Bill. good park home site owners be put through that hoop? Why should they have an extra bureaucratic burden Stephen Gilbert accordingly presented the Bill. placed upon them, which ultimately must be paid for by Bill read the First time; to be read a Second time on the hard-pressed residents to whom he referred? Friday 30 March, and to be printed (Bill 268). 79 10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 80

Local Government Finance Bill The Bill paves the way to repatriating business rates. Second Reading We want to give councils a greater proportion of the rates they raise locally. Every council that grows its 6.40 pm business rate base can be sure that it will see an increase The Secretary of State for Communities and Local in its income, compared to the status quo. Putting in Government (Mr Eric Pickles): I beg to move, That the place the right incentives gives every council every possible Bill be now read a Second time. reason to go for growth, which creates the potential to raise more cash overall to invest in local services and It is a relief to be called after all that waiting, Madam local community priorities. Of course, we have heard a Deputy Speaker. few grumbles already. The coalition agreement committed the Government to supporting sustainable growth and enterprise, balanced Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab): I spent across the country. It also pledged the radical devolution nearly 12 years in local government, and I accept that it of power and greater financial autonomy to local is an important catalyst for encouraging local economic government. This Bill delivers on those promises. It development, but it is not the only one. There is a huge aims to introduce much-needed reforms to make England’s disadvantage in all this for my constituents, compared, local government finance system more effective at for example, with constituents in south-east England. supporting local jobs, local firms and local enterprises. Surely, in any consideration of local government finance, This is not just about redistributing a pot of cash the disparities between the economies of such areas differently; it is about providing the best possible chances should be taken into account. to foster more growth, generate more cash and make a bigger pot. Mr Pickles: Frankly, I am amazed by that contribution, The case for change is widely recognised. The OECD because Durham will be one of the big beneficiaries of has called the English local government finance system the scheme. Had this system been in place, Durham one of the most centralised in the world. The Labour would undoubtedly have more money in its coffers. I Government knew that, but failed to deliver on reform. strongly urge the hon. Gentleman, for whom I have There were Green Papers, White Papers, the “Balance enormous respect and affection, to talk up Durham, of Funding” report, the Lyons inquiry and, if that was because it will do very well under this scheme. not enough, the Labour party manifesto at the last general election boldly pledged another commission on Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab): I am afraid local government finance. What little reform was introduced, the Secretary of State’s view is not shared by Durham such as the so-called local authority business growth county council, which believes it will lose £100 million, incentive scheme, was timid, inconsistent and ineffective. in contrast to the City of London, which we all understand The only thing Labour managed to do was to double council will see its business rate take increase 140%. tax and halve local services, such as bin collections—pay Mr Pickles: The hon. Lady needs to look at the facts. more and get less. Durham will be a beneficiary. The level of support it Where others have failed to deliver, however, the will get in terms of top-up—in terms of its actual growth coalition is ready to act. Nowhere is the need for change —will increase, and that will give the people of Durham more apparent than in relation to business rates. Currently, considerable respect and pride. councils collect rates for local businesses, but they are Let us just deal with some of these grumbles. Some no more than the agents for central Government. No are worried that the reforms might lead to polarisation sooner is the cash in than Whitehall whisks it away. and that deprived areas might fall behind. I can entirely Whitehall feeds the figures into a very complex formula. understand—we have seen examples of this today—that Each council waits with bated breath to see how much it people are reluctant to see change. It is always hard to will get back. The 160-page local government finance let go of a security blanket, but we have been clear that report requires a detailed knowledge of multiple regression we will ensure the hardwiring of safeguards for the to fathom it out. most vulnerable in these reforms. Protections, including The system creates a perverse regime of incentives. a system of tariffs and top-ups, will ensure that councils Councils that work hardest to boost local businesses do that start from a low business rate can still meet people’s not see their efforts reflected in the state of their finances. needs. We will have a levy on authorities that see a In fact, local economies that become more successful disproportionate benefit, with a safety net for authorities can effectively see their central Government grant cut. that see their business rates fall significantly. The regime actively encouraged councils to talk down their area, to mask their success and to amplify their Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster) (Con): deprivation; it breeds a begging-bowl mentality and a I very much welcome the principle of allowing local race to the bottom. Surely, now more than ever, we authorities to retain a proportion of their business rate. should welcome growth and reward incentives. That is a very positive move. My right hon. Friend has There is some criticism that Labour failed to deliver made the case that he is being rather pragmatic, but on its election pledges. Well, we are here to help. In the perhaps he will go into a little detail about two areas Localism Act 2011, we introduced a general power of where I am concerned he is perhaps being overly pragmatic: competence, implementing a pledge in the 1983 Labour growth for inflationary reasons and growth where there party manifesto. However, we have now moved on to has been a revaluation. As he knows, there has been the 1997 Labour party manifesto, and we are moving significant revaluation in recent years, so why cannot towards the localisation of business rates. The Government some of that revaluation, where a substantial part has believe that councils should have every possible incentive been in a particular local authority area, be used as an to encourage local business, support local jobs and element of growth for the purposes of the business rate create the conditions for the local economy to thrive. adjustment that is being brought into play? 81 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 82

Mr Pickles: Of course, in that process of revaluation, it in front of me. How very helpful! This is marvellous. we would seek to adjust the multiplier so that it had a Bob always comes up trumps. This quote comes from neutral effect on the amount. What we are talking the London Councils’ report, “Four Block Muddle”: about is ensuring that, between periods of revaluation, “The current formula grant system…lacks transparency and is an authority that grows above the national average can inherently unstable and unpredictable, generating fluctuations in actually bank that. However, some authorities will clearly grant allocation that defy logic… Even finance experts, let alone get a disproportionately large increase, and we have a members of the public, struggle to understand the working of this levy, through which we seek to take that sum away and complex system.” to apply it to the safety net. So here we are introducing a much better system, and, to coin a phrase, I would have expected local councils Alok Sharma (Reading West) (Con): I welcome these to rejoice, rejoice, rejoice. reforms, which will incentivise local authorities and local government to encourage growth, but will the Mr Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich) (Lab) Secretary of State confirm that they will not allow some rose— local authorities to raise business rates on already struggling businesses? Mr Pickles: I give way to the right hon. Gentleman, the architect of our present system. Mr Pickles: I am happy to confirm that fact to my hon. Friend, because he raises an important point about Mr Raynsford: I am grateful to the Secretary of State local businesses needing a degree of certainty. Of course, but I have to say that many other people besides me the Secretary of State—the person holding my position— were architects of the existing system. However, given will set the multiplier and the sum. that doubts are being expressed by many local authorities There is something strange about all the objections, about whether the provisions in the Bill will achieve the some of which we have heard already, in that they objectives that the Secretary of State has set out, will he, betray a lack of faith in the people whom we represent. in words of one syllable and in plain English, explain No one area has a monopoly on the formula for growth. the provisions in the first seven clauses of the Bill, Economic success is not a southern phenomenon. which to most people are absolutely incomprehensible gobbledegook? Mr Kevan Jones: Yes, it is. Mr Pickles: I feel a little stung because I have always Mr Pickles: I do not know whether colleagues were been most helpful to the right hon. Gentleman. listening but I heard an Opposition Member say that Clause 1 deals with the local retention of the non-business economic success was a southern phenomenon. If that rate and provides for the framework of the rate retention is what Opposition Members think, they should seriously scheme in England by inserting a new schedule 7B into consider whether they are doing their electorate a service. the Local Government Finance Act 1988. Clause 2, on If our reforms had been in place over the past five the revenue support grant, gives effect to schedule 2, years—since the last revaluation cycle—places such as dealing with the amendment of provisions about revenue Liverpool, Doncaster, Durham and north and south support grant in England. Clause 3, on additional Tyneside would have benefited, because their growth in grant, amends the 1988 Act to remove the provision for business rates outstripped the national average. the Secretary of State to pay additional grant to local authorities in England. It also makes consequential Most of all, however, the grumblers have missed the amendments to the Local Government Finance Act 1992 key point. This is not simply about redistributing the and the Greater London Authority Act 1999. Clause 4, proceeds of growth. If these reforms lead to every on the local government grant, amends section 100 of council working as hard as possible to help business to the 1999 Act so that from 1 April 2013 the Secretary of thrive, there is the potential to increase overall growth. State may pay a general grant to the Greater London authority for a financial year but will not be required to Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse) (Lab): As do so. I think that that covers the point, although we part of the south-east phenomenon—the area that I could go through the entire Bill—there are only 16 clauses. represent covers Canary Wharf and the London borough of Tower Hamlets—my constituency would naturally, I Bob Blackman (Harrow East) (Con): I thank my right assume, be a winner from these reforms. Has the Secretary hon. Friend for giving way on this key issue. One of the of State seen the briefing issued today by London key concerns for people raising additional business Councils to London MPs? It welcomes the retention of rates in the future will be that they gain from the benefit part of the business rate but then states: of that growth. I welcome that proposal. However, “However, the Bill as drafted creates a fiendishly complex there is another problem. Will he confirm that if a system in which the level of the business rate incentive is uncertain major employer or site of employment closes down and unpredictable”. within the first two years of operation, the local authority Will he respond to that concern from London Councils? will not lose the business rate income?

Mr Pickles: Yes, of course. The idea is to give the Mr Pickles: My hon. Friend raises an important maximum incentive to councils. That is how the system point about the very nature of business rates. There is a is being devised. However, it is much simpler than the high degree of buoyancy within the system and there existing system, which is just about impenetrable. Indeed, can be sudden movements, particularly where firms London Councils considered that point some time ago move out and following claims for revaluation, which is when it described the four—[Interruption.] Ah,Ihave why we have built into the system adjustments to iron 83 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 84

[Mr Pickles] will encourage local authorities to work together on TIFs and pool their resources—I think I recall the right out those things. We have suggested to local authorities— hon. Gentleman speaking about this some time ago—which but it will be entirely a matter for them—that they pool will be enormously liberating for them. their resources in order to get over those fluctuations. The Bill also sets out a replacement for council tax I shall move from the incentive effect to another benefit, which is essential in supporting those who, aspect of the Bill: the introduction of tax increment through no fault of their own, struggle to pay their finance. This was recommended in the 2006 Barker council tax bills. However, rather than having a national, report and promised in the 2009 pre-Budget report but one-size-fits-all scheme, designed and directed by Whitehall, never delivered by Labour. For the first time, councils we propose that councils themselves should set up council will have the ability to borrow safely and sustainably tax support at the local level. We will give them the against the anticipated increase in business rates. That flexibility to design schemes that reflect local priorities. will give them a new means by which to fund infrastructure, Tailor-made approaches will also be essential to making attract investors and secure jobs for local people. the 10% saving, which is an important component of We are determined that the transition to the new the plan for reducing the deficit inherited from Labour. system should be effective, fair and workable. Over the Some councils are already considering how they might summer, we consulted widely, and we heard loud and exercise the new powers and discretions. Westminster clear that small firms, charities and voluntary groups, city council, for example, is looking into the idea of which play such an important role in local life, should social contracts, such as linking council tax benefit with not face adverse changes to their bills. Local firms can obeying the law, actively seeking employment and rest assured that this is not a means of increasing their undertaking voluntary work. That is fundamentally no bills by stealth; rather it is a measure to help local different from councils such as Manchester and Newham, businesses. The Bill also proposes a replacement for which are seeking to prioritise individuals in work for council tax benefit. council house waiting lists, ending the “something for nothing” culture while providing a safety net for the John Healey (Wentworth and Dearne) (Lab): I am vulnerable. I believe that benefits should provide the grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way on the right incentive to get people back to work and to reward point about tax increment financing schemes, of which social responsibility. I have been a strong supporter from the outset. Will he confirm that the area and rate take in the TIFs area will Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab): The be ring-fenced and protected from levies and any reset? reality, surely, is that on day one councils will receive Without that confirmation, there will not be the confidence what they are currently paying out in council tax benefit, and certainty about the revenue stream necessary to minus 10%. They will have no choice about where that allow the borrowing to take place for the up-front 10% comes from, because pensioners will be protected—we investment. might support that—as will people in work, because councils have to observe the 65% tapers under the universal credit. In the end, therefore, the totality of Mr Pickles: The right hon. Gentleman makes an those cuts will fall on the unemployed of working age, important point. He will know, because he has taken an leading to probably up to 20% to 30% of their benefit interest, that we are offering two types of TIF. TIF 1 being withdrawn. If unemployment goes up and more will be subject to the levy and the top-up, but TIF 2 people claim council tax benefit, that will mean either would not be subject to either, so it would be possible to money drawn from other services to fund it or further borrow over a longer period than the reset. cuts for those on council tax benefit who are unemployed.

John Healey rose— Mr Pickles: The hon. Gentleman makes a reasonable point, but I would put it this way: Mr Pickles: Before the right hon. Gentleman responds, “Beveridge would have wanted determined action from government I would like to add something else. I can see that we are to get communities working once again, not least to bring down going to have one of these really interesting discussions—we that benefits bill to help pay…the national debt…He would have might even get on to hereditaments in a little while. wanted reform that was tough-minded, and asked everyone to Because TIF 2 would affect the levy pot, as well as the work hard to find a job.” level of public borrowing, we will clearly need a degree That seems a very reasonable way to express it; indeed, of Treasury co-operation, but authorities can proceed those are the very words of the shadow Secretary of with TIF 1 straight away. State for Communities and Local Government, in his article in The Guardian last week. I am pleased that that John Healey: I wish the Secretary of State good luck approach was also endorsed by the Leader of the in seeking that Treasury co-operation. He will understand Opposition on the “Today” programme this morning, that the time horizon for TIFs stretches beyond one so frankly, I am not entirely sure that I understand the decade, and sometimes beyond two. He said that TIF 2 points being made by Opposition hon. Ladies and would be ring-fenced and protected from the levy; can Gentlemen. he also say whether it will be ring-fenced and protected from any reset? Mark Field: I very much support the idea of innovation and flair, and allowing for inventiveness, which will Mr Pickles: The whole point about TIF 2 is that it certainly apply positively to Westminster city council goes beyond a reset. That is why there needs to be a and all who live in the area. However, my right hon. degree of co-operation from Treasury colleagues. The Friend will be aware that, in the case of some local period for TIF 1, of course, is potentially 10 years. We authorities that try to adopt the new powers, the scheme 85 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 86 will perhaps work somewhat less well. Will there be any crime that such houses cause. Currently, even when residual power in the hands of the Department or the houses have been left empty for many months, councils Secretary of State to intervene where such local authorities can charge no more than the normal rate of council tax. fail to provide the lead that we would all wish for? We propose that councils should have the option of charging a higher rate of council tax when homes have Mr Pickles: Local authorities are statutorily obliged been empty for more than two years. That will provide a to deliver a scheme, and that scheme needs to be approved, stronger incentive for the owners to bring such homes but we need to have confidence in them. We are talking back into use and end empty property blight. about a substantial and significant effect of localism. Alongside the Bill, we have consulted on other proposed We took the decision to give more powers to local changes to council tax—changes that do not require authorities, and we need to be able to trust them. primary legislation. They include reforms to council tax However, hon. Ladies and Gentlemen opposite have on second homes. Currently, councils are obliged to been saying that their leader did not say those words. I charge a reduced rate on second homes, of between 10% happen to have a transcript from the “Today”programme. to 50%. We propose to allow authorities to remove this He was asked a question about welfare, and this is what special tax break completely, treating everyone equally the right hon. Gentleman said: there do need to be “big and fairly. Taken together, those flexibilities on council changes”, with a tax have the potential to reduce families’ council tax “greater sense of responsibility in the system...Anybody who can bills by £20 a year. work should work”. Some have asked whether it is time to review other We have to discounts and exemptions. The Intergenerational “have sanctions in our system…I…see…a minority…of people Foundation, endorsed by the shadow Minister for London, on benefits” called for an end to the single-person discount, which who have been given a would tax the elderly out of their homes. We have looked at the case for ending the single-person discount, “false sense of security…The Beveridge system was about saying and we have rejected it. This Government have no people should be rewarded…for contributions.” intention of imposing a new stealth tax on 8 million The right hon. Gentleman said that there should always single persons; nor will we increase the tax on hard-working be a safety net, and that people who pay their taxes, who save and who invest in “In housing…need matters, but…you should also be rewarded their homes. with extra points…if you…work or volunteer,” The Bill stands alongside the action that this Government saying that some have taken to make local finance fairer and more effective, “councils…are starting to do this…I am not against a cap” including the two-year freeze on council tax, the cancellation on benefits. My word, how out of touch hon. Ladies of any council tax revaluation, the abolition of the new and Gentlemen opposite are with what their leader is bin taxes, and the introduction of new rights for residents saying! to veto excessive council tax rises. The measures that we are introducing today will build on those improvements. Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) After years of indecision and inaction by Labour, these (PC): Will the Secretary of State give way? measures represent a positive and practical step forward. The Bill will help to create the right conditions for Mr Pickles: In a moment. growth, reward councils that boost the economy, and make local government finance more effective and fairer Part of the Opposition now concedes that the housing for all. I commend it to the House. benefit bill is too big and needs reform. I hope that they would accept that the sister benefit—council tax benefit— should also be reformed. The reform must take place to 7.11 pm help reduce the budget deficit. As the shadow Secretary Hilary Benn (Leeds Central) (Lab): I should like of State for Defence conceded last week, a credible begin by wishing the Secretary of State—and, indeed, Opposition should reject “shallow and temporary” you and all other Members, Madam Deputy Speaker—a populism and accept the need for spending reductions. happy new year. I am sure that our return to the House I am very sorry that Labour Members seem to have has been looked forward to with even greater anticipation rejected that advice and that of their leader, given so than usual, given that the first piece of legislation that recently. we are to address is the Local Government Finance Bill. We should all agree that reforms must also offer The Secretary of State touched on the fact that local proper protection for vulnerable groups who cannot government funding has long been debated and much return to work. We will therefore be putting in place argued over. At the heart of the matter is the age-old special safeguards for low-income pensioners, who will question, which was highlighted by the Layfield report continue to be eligible for support. As championed by in the 1970s, of whether central or local government the Royal British Legion, this Bill will make council tax should take the decisions. That question has never been support a rebate—a discount—rather than a benefit. fully resolved because the answer depends on the decisions The previous Government changed the law to rename involved and on what we are trying to achieve. Partly council tax benefit, but never enacted their own provisions. for that reason, Bills proposing fundamental changes to The Bill also allows changes in council tax to help local government finance have not come along very reduce bills for hard-working families and pensioners. often. The previous two were the Bill that brought in the Homes left empty for the long term can be a blight on a poll tax, which should stand as a warning of what neighbourhood. It is immensely frustrating for people happens when a Conservative Government get things who desperately need housing to see houses sitting idle, spectacularly wrong, and the one that replaced it with and for communities to have to tolerate the eyesore and the council tax. That experience should remind all of us 87 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 88

[Hilary Benn] Many of us, however, are in favour of as much localisation as possible, and, in principle, of allowing that how we fund local authorities and the services that councils genuinely to benefit from business rate growth. they provide to all our communities is a matter of the However, those who put forward these proposals have greatest importance. an obligation to come up with a system that meets a The Secretary of State reminded us of what the number of tests. Those tests must determine whether coalition agreement said about a radical devolution of the proposals will actually put more power into the power and giving greater financial autonomy to local hands of the councils, whether they will provide the government. Indeed, he also referred to his words of right incentives, and whether resources will be distributed last July, when he said that councils would no longer fairly. They must also determine whether councils will have to come to him with a begging bowl. He has set a be reasonably certain about the money that they will very high bar against which his Bill is going to be get, and whether they will get the right help to enable judged. them to meet local need and changing circumstances. Let me start by examining the way in which the Bill is The problem with the Bill, and the reason that we will being handled, which is the subject of tonight’s programme oppose it tonight, is that it does not give the reassurance motion. The local government resource review was first that many people are looking for on those five fundamental announced in the summer of 2010. The terms of reference principles, either on local government funding or on the were published in March last year. I recognise that there localisation of council tax benefit. There is no guarantee has been consultation on the proposals, but that consultation that any council will not be worse off, except in the first has simply not been carried through into the consideration year. It is unclear exactly how much incentive will be of the Bill. The Bill was published on 19 December, just offered. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Greenwich before the Christmas recess. We are having the Second and Woolwich (Mr Raynsford) suggested, the Bill will Reading debate today, just two sitting days later, and we replace one complicated system with another that is, in did not start the debate until 20 to 7 in the evening. the words of London Councils, “fiendishly complex”. One might think that that body would be arguing The Government seem determined to take all the stages strongly in favour of these measures, given its position of the Bill on the Floor of the House, not because of on business rates. Lastly, the Bill will give the Government the nature of the Bill but, as everyone knows, because a huge amount of control over how the money is the business managers are desperately trying to fill up distributed and the how the system works, even though time in the Chamber following their mishandling of the they claim that they want to devolve power. long parliamentary Session. They are not scheduling it in this way as a matter of precedent. Neither the Act When we read the Bill, which is supposed to be about that created the poll tax nor the one that replaced it putting local authorities in charge, what is really striking with the council tax—the two Acts that this Bill, in the it is the amount of power that it puts in the hands of the main, amends—had their Committee stages on the Secretary of State. Floor of the House; they went into Committee. This Bill should also go into Committee. That is why we will Ben Gummer (Ipswich) (Con): Will the right hon. vote against the programme motion. Gentleman give way? By not allowing the Bill to go into Committee— [Interruption.] No, I hope that the Under-Secretary of Hilary Benn: Will the hon. Gentleman bear with me State for Communities and Local Government, the for a moment? hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Robert Under the Bill, the Secretary of State will determine Neill) will listen to me. If the Bill is not allowed to go the baseline for every local authority, including, in into Committee, there will be no opportunity for wider effect, what he thinks every council needs to spend. He scrutiny of what the Bill—as opposed to the consultation will decide how much business rate income central —says. There will be no pre-legislative scrutiny of the Government will take and how much will be left with Bill, and there will be no evidence sessions. Nor have we local authorities. He will be able to change the central seen any of the regulations in draft. This is a pretty share from year to year, and to specify the tariff or shoddy way for a Government who say that they support top-up payment for every local authority in England. pre-legislative scrutiny and evidence sessions to deal He will also decide how much any council must pay him with the scrutiny of a Bill. in levy in respect of disproportionate gains in business On the substance of the Bill, the Secretary of State rate income—and he will decide what “disproportionate” has advanced three main reasons for the changes—namely, means. that the present system is too complex, that it gives Governments too much power and that it does not Mr Kevan Jones: Will my right hon. Friend give way? provide sufficient incentive to local councils to develop their economies. I want to address each of those points Hilary Benn: Will my hon. Friend bear with me for a in turn. moment? I accept that the current system is complex, but the The Secretary of State will determine safety net payments, truth is that any system will have a degree of complexity and decide how much of the remaining balance in the if it is to take account of the differing needs and levy account may be distributed to one or more authorities. circumstances of different communities. That is why we He will determine how much billing authorities must have complexity in the system. The alternative would be pay to major precepting bodies. He will designate pooling to leave councils and communities to sink or swim, areas, and decide which groups of people must receive a saying, “Right—you take what you can in council tax council tax reduction. He will decide which classes of and business rates; the Government will not get involved dwelling cannot be charged extra council tax, taking at all.” I do not support that. account of the characteristics and circumstances of any 89 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 90 person liable—whatever that means. He will decide tax. If we look back at the debates when the poll tax which areas are to be enterprise zones, and issue regulations was being argued for, we find Ministers arguing that to designate TIF areas. And in case all that is not this was the most wonderful thing. The people who enough, in clause 14(2) he gives himself a Henry VIII have really made a mess of local government financing power that will allow him to amend, repeal or revoke in this country are the Conservatives. Local government any legislation he wants. That does not sound like would much prefer to have the resources they had under localisation to me. the 13 years of the Labour Government than what they are experiencing under the current Government. Mr Kevan Jones: I agree with my right hon. Friend The point is this. It is not about whether we trust about the centralisation of powers. The one power that local councils or local communities. The question people is being given away to local authorities is the administration looking at this Bill will be asking themselves—and, to of council tax benefit, where local councils will have the judge by the consultation, they are—is whether they invidious task of cutting council tax benefit to individuals. trust this Government and whether they trust this Secretary The Secretary of State is basically giving away the of State to use all these powers in a fair way. To judge by unpopular decisions, making sure that local people get what has been done so far, there is not much room for the impression that local councils and not the Secretary confidence. We know that this Bill is being introduced of State are to blame for the cuts. at a time when local authorities are facing unprecedented cuts. Cuts do have to be made—[Interruption.] Well, I Hilary Benn: My hon. Friend is absolutely right, have said that on a number of occasions, but there is no anticipating one or two points I intend to make later in excuse, no rationale and, so far, no justification for why my speech. these cuts are being applied in such an unfair way to communities. George Hollingbery (Meon Valley) (Con): The right As the House knows, one shocking statistic from hon. Gentleman really must make his mind up. On the SIGOMA—special interest group of municipal authorities one hand, he rejects a system red in tooth and claw; on —tells us everything we need to know about this the other, he wants the system to be incredibly fair. Can Government’s idea of fairness. It is the fact that the 10% he explain by what mechanism he and his party would most deprived upper-tier authorities are facing a reduction make the system fair, other than by some central in their spending power that is nearly four times greater interference? than that faced by the 10% least deprived authorities. Let us take just one example from figures produced Hilary Benn: I would merely say this. First, if councils by Newcastle city council. For every local authority, it had a choice between the system under the last Labour looked at the cuts for 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13, transition Government and the resources made available then, and council tax freeze grant and the provisional new and the cuts imposed over the last two years and the homes bonus allocations. The figures show that Basingstoke system offered now, I suspect that they would say, “We and Deane authority will see a cumulative gain of prefer the old system.” Secondly, the Secretary of State £6.30 per person, whereas Knowsley will see a cumulative argues that this is all about giving away power and loss of £227.35 per person. If that is not balancing the responsibility, but I am pointing out—I can understand books on the backs of the poor, I do not know what is. why the hon. Gentleman and his colleagues get irritated— What possible justification can there be for such unfairness? the huge number of powers that he is keeping for When I asked the right hon. Gentleman about it at himself to shape the whole system and how it works. Communities and Local Government questions recently, Given that the Secretary of State has all this power, all he could do was bluster, so how can councils have I gently say that I doubt very much whether the local any confidence that they are going to be treated fairly authority begging bowl is going to disappear any time under the Bill, particularly for communities where there soon. The right hon. Gentleman has form on this, is a great deal of deprivation, communities with fewer however. In his equally misnamed Localism Bill, he opportunities for business rate growth and communities took for himself more than 100 powers. He says that he where a lot of people cannot find a job? is passing down the levers of power, but the truth is that he is hanging on to them very tightly. Mr Marcus Jones (Nuneaton) (Con): The right hon. Ben Gummer: The right hon. Gentleman professes to Gentleman extols the virtues and fairness that there be in favour of localism and to want to see it in local seem to be have been in the local government finance government, but he was a prominent member of the regime during the period of the Labour Government. previous Government who for 13 years produced numerous Can he explain, then, why the gap between rich and White Papers, manifesto commitments, and the entire poor widened during those 13 years? Lyons report, which took three years to compile—yet nothing was produced or brought before this House Hilary Benn: That is not true in relation to local over that period to localise business rates. He nevertheless authorities such as my authority. For example, the stands up here and complains about what is being done. number of children in poverty across the country was reduced by 600,000, while this Government is in the Hilary Benn: First of all, if we are talking about process of increasing child poverty, as the hon. Gentleman centralisation, the hon. Gentleman needs to think about knows, so I am not taking any lectures from him about who nationalised business rates. It was his party. Who how to tackle inequality and unfairness. was it who abolished London-wide government and The truth is that councils are worried that under this who made a mess of the poll tax? In all honesty, I say Bill, as SIGOMA warns, that making a change in haste in the wrong way is done “the gap between more prosperous and less well-off authorities at one’s peril. The warning of that is provided in the poll will widen as a result of the policy”. 91 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 92

[Hilary Benn] “we will ensure that no one will be worse off when the new system is introduced than they would have been under the old system.”— Local Government Yorkshire and Humber fears that [Official Report, 18 July 2011; Vol. 531, c. 663.] “the Government’s proposals are...likely to favour urban over That sounds reassuring, but it is only valid for twelve rural areas and retail development over manufacturing growth…we months. What about years 2, 3 and 5? Can the Secretary could easily lose out.” of State guarantee that no council will be worse off then Those are the concerns that the Secretary of State must as a result of the change he wants the House to bring address. in? These are really important assurances, for which councils are still looking. As the Secretary of State’s Let me deal with the second argument we have heard— colleague Sir Merrick Cockell, chairman of the LGA, that the changes will incentivise economic development. put it, Here, I have a request for the Secretary of State. It would be really helpful if he could clear up the confusion “Reform must…ensure that those areas that do not have the capacity to raise huge amounts of funding through business rates he has created about the Government’s view on whether do not lose out.” local authorities want to see economic growth in their areas. SIGOMA has asked why Ministers have decided not to restore resource equalisation to its 2010-11 cash I ask that because in paragraph 1.16 of his Department’s level, which could have been used as a baseline for response to the consultation on business rate retention, future grant allocation. it says: What guarantee has been given to councils that the “We know that local authorities are keen to grow their local economies.” tariff and top-up mechanism will produce a fair result, especially given the coalition’s track record? Why do the I agree with that, which is exactly what councils up and Government think—or, to be strictly accurate, have down the country want and seek. So can the right hon. the “aspiration”—that resets should happen only every Gentleman explain why the impact assessment published 10 years? We think that they should be more frequent, by his Department at the very same time on the very as do most of those who responded to the consultation. same day says the very opposite—that What about the circumstances, which were mentioned “local authorities are generally reluctant to....promote economic growth”? earlier, in which councils lose a major employer, and hence business rate income? That is a very serious These are two completely contradictory statements— matter. How quickly will such councils be given help, “keen to grow their local economies” how much will help will they be given, and how long in one document, and will it last? “reluctant to promote economic growth” What about the perverse incentives in the business in the other. They cannot both be true, so which one rate system that encourage retail units and gyms more represents the Government’s view? I am happy to give than manufacturing, and encourage warehouses employing way to the Secretary of State for him to explain. Well, few staff more than factories employing a large number there is no answer. It would be helpful if documents of workers? were read a bit more carefully before they were published. Then there is the levy mechanism. Last July the On the question of incentives, I note that business Secretary of State told the House: rate localisation—the term that used to be used—has “There will be no cap on the amount of business growth from now become business rate retention. No doubt that is which such councils can benefit. A council will be better off as because it has become clear that the Government will a result of growth”. —[Official Report, 18 July 2011; Vol. 531, take a proportion of business rate income in the form of c. 663.] the central share payment. In effect, it will allow the Yet the Bill gives the Secretary of State power to decide Government to top-slice such income and, as the Secretary how much of any growth in business rate income a of State has said, to control local government spending. council can keep. He alone will decide what constitutes a disproportionate benefit. That is the reverse of the Before anyone on the Government Benches says that localisation that he promised. The retention of business all that money will be returned to local government, the rates is clearly not all that it seems. House needs to be aware that although that sounds good, the money is of course fungible across Government. If the purpose of the levy is only to fund safety Using that income from retained business rates to pay nets—and that is not clear—why does paragraph 28(1) for other grants to local government will, in effect, of schedule 1 make it possible for only part of any create a saving for the Government because it will surplus balance in the levy account to be given back to relieve the Treasury of having to find the money from one or more local authorities? Does that mean that, in elsewhere. So, in effect, we have set-aside by another effect, a second top-slicing mechanism is being created name and in another form. by the back door? We do not yet know what size of share the Government All that makes clear that no one can say at this stage intend to take either in the first year or in subsequent what the incentive from keeping some business rate years. Nor has any promise been made—I did not hear income growth will be. That is why London Councils it tonight—that the share will not change from year to said, in its briefing on the Bill, year. It is, in the words of the Local Government “’the business rate incentive is uncertain and unpredictable”. Association, one of the many detailed points that “remain What is more, in some cases there could actually be a unresolved”. As this is, in the main, an enabling Bill, we disincentive. Under the current system, if a council will not see that detail until later. decides to engage in a big redevelopment and regeneration Thirdly, I turn to the question of fairness. The Secretary scheme in the centre of its town or city, such as rebuilding of State is on record as saying: that centre, the loss of business rates for an extended 93 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 94 period is not a problem, because it does not affect the thing, but are on low incomes. Those are the people resources that the council receives. Under the Bill, however, who he said, less than a year ago, that he was determined it could well be a problem. It may cause the council to to protect, but now he wants us to vote for a measure conclude that it is not sure whether it wishes to proceed that could, in some instances, wipe out all the benefit of with the scheme, although the Bill is supposed to be all the council tax freeze. Furthermore, the cuts are being about encouraging growth. introduced at the very moment when more people are Let me now deal with the other main part of the Bill, going to need help with their council tax bills. Why? which concerns council tax benefit localisation. It constitutes Because unemployment is rising. Why do we know that? a step backwards towards a time when different areas Because the Chancellor has told us so. gave different help to people in need. The big question is Costs could also rise because of increased take-up. this: why are the Government making this change, and What account have the Government taken of that—and why, if they are determined to do so, have they not what about higher unemployment? How are councils linked it to universal credit, as was suggested by many expected to cope with that? Given that they will possibly people in the consultation? The fact that they have not end up designing different schemes, there is a risk that done that will lead to a great deal of confusion. people will decide to move from one council area to Rent is one cost that people face in order to live another because of the different levels of council tax somewhere, and council tax is another. In the first case benefit. And what about the collection costs? As the there will continue to be a national scheme to provide Conservatives learnt when they introduced the poll tax, help; in the other the national scheme is to be abolished, when councils start trying to collect money from people and councils will be left to decide what benefit should who do not have a lot of money, they have a problem. be provided. However, the Government intend to legislate People who are poor must make decisions about what to protect certain council tax payers, while at the same bills to pay, and in what order. What assessment have time imposing a 10% cut in the amount that goes to the Government made of the practicality of collecting local government to meet the cost of paying the benefit. the money? What about all the other benefit changes In areas where there is a lot of need—for different that will affect the same group of people at exactly the authorities have different needs and different circumstances same time? I hope that the Secretary of State realises —that will constitute an additional cut on top of the that that when a lot of people discover that they are existing reduction in local authority resourcing of over being hit with increases in their council tax—for that is 19% in the last two years. what his Bill does—there will be a great many appeals. Because the Bill will rightly give continuing protection How much will that cost? to pensioners, it is inevitable that, unless councils try Finally, there is the timetable for the implementation to reduce benefit for those who are out of work, people of the change. The decision to implement it from April who work but are on low incomes will be hit the next year was widely criticised by respondents to the hardest. Indeed, that is what the Government’s own consultation, and the Select Committee on Communities impact assessment says. The House of Commons Scrutiny and Local Government has called for a delay to allow Unit has made an estimate of the impact of the 10% cut councils time to put their schemes, software and with protection for pensioners which suggests that non- administration in place. pensioners—people of working age, whether working or not—will face an average cut of 16% in their council We do not support this change, just as we do not tax benefit support. Of course, in areas where the support the Bill. It does not pass the tests of fairness, number of pensioners is higher than average, the cuts incentive, certainty, and helping councils to meet local facing everyone else will be even bigger. need. It does nothing to deal with the unfair way in which the Government have imposed the largest cuts on The New Policy Institute, which has also looked the least well-off communities. The Secretary of State into the effects of the cut, has found that five of the claims to be the great champion of localism, but he has 10 hardest-hit local authorities are among the top 10 most presented the House with a Bill that gives him all the deprived areas, according to the 2007 indices of multiple power to determine what happens, including the power deprivation: Hackney, Newham, Liverpool, Islington to take and keep a top slice of business rates. No and Knowsley. Meanwhile, according to the same indices, wonder the LGA said in its briefing for today’s debate: the two least affected areas, Hart and Wokingham, are also the two least deprived. Does that sound familiar? “That is not a localising policy and goes against the Government’s Of course it does. Once again, cuts are being imposed stated commitment to localism.” unfairly by the coalition Government. Moreover, the Say one thing and do another: that is the story of this Government’s policy is completely incoherent. The coalition, and that is why the right thing to do is to Department for Work and Pensions says, “Hey! We reject this Bill. want to make work pay!” but here is a policy that will end up doing the very opposite. Several hon. Members rose— The Secretary of State has a completely inconsistent attitude when it comes to protecting people from council tax increases. When he announced the council tax freeze Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): Order. in March last year, he declared resoundingly: Twenty-six Back Benchers have indicated that they wish “we are determined to protect hard-working families...This is to speak in the debate, which is due to end at 10 o’clock, about giving real and immediate help to families struggling with with the wind-ups starting at 20 minutes to 10. We shall the daily cost of living.” therefore start with a limit of five minutes on each Yet here he is now, proposing a policy that will result in Back-Bench speech, from now on. There is nothing else a significant increase in council tax bills for some people, that I can do to give more Members an opportunity to particularly those who work and try to do the right contribute to the debate. 95 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 96

7.39 pm 7.45 pm Henry Smith (Crawley) (Con): It was a great privilege Mr Clive Betts (Sheffield South East) (Lab): I am a to speak in last year’s Second Reading of what is now localist. I believe that this country is too centralist and the Localism Act 2011 and to serve on the Bill Committee, that, in order to further localism, local authorities need but I always considered that legislation to be only a part to have more control over their own finances. of the overall programme of localisation that this In 2004, the Select Committee that I now chair produced Government are, happily, determined to introduce. In a report on local government revenue in which it concluded the financing of any system, the old truism still holds that business rates income should return to local authorities, that he who holds the purse strings controls the power. where it was raised. I have no problem in principle with The way in which local government is funded is an measures that seek to give local authorities more incentives important aspect of localism. That is why I am pleased to encourage development in their areas and that allow that we are completing early in this Parliament the process them to retain more of the finance raised in their areas, of radically shifting the balance of power in this country but let us look at what the situation was in 2004. The from central Government towards local government, components of local government finance then were local communities and individuals. The Localism Act council tax, which councils kept, and business rates, was a significant contribution to that move, and this Bill which were taken to the centre and then redistributed, completes it. and about one third of local government revenue came For seven years I was a county council leader operating in the form of central Government grant and was under the system we are seeking to remove. My right distributed according to the resources of councils and hon. Friend the Secretary of State rightly noted that, as their needs. Under the Bill’s proposals, there will be a the OECD has said, it is incredibly complex and completely fundamental change. When they are introduced in 2013-14 lacks transparency. Worst of all, it is incredibly subjective. local government finance will, essentially, come from Ministers have therefore been able to use this complex only council tax and business rates; the Government system to fund parts of the country that they favour grant element will go completely. politically. I witnessed that several years ago when I was The Government therefore face a problem. They a council leader. The funding formula produced for propose that the council tax will be left as it currently West Sussex county council—an authority that covers stands, so they have two objectives for business rates. more than 750,000 people and 770 square miles, and On the one hand, they want local authorities to retain with a capital and revenue budget of about £1 billion—was them so they can provide an incentive for development an increase of just £6,000. At the same time under that in their areas and have more control over their own formula, Birmingham city council received an increase financial futures. On the other hand, the Government of £12 million. West Sussex county council tried to find want business rates to be used as a mechanism for out how the funding formula was calculated, but there redistribution—for taking from areas with higher resources was a complete lack of transparency. The central and giving to areas with greatest needs. That is the Government Department did not want to tell the authority fundamental conflict at the heart of the Government’s how it was worked out. We then invoked the Freedom proposals. They are trying to do two conflicting things of Information Act, and an obscure measure from with the one tax of business rates. 1947—the Statistics of Trade Act 1947—was used to That is why the proposal is not for a simple retention explain why we could not be told what the funding by local government that everyone could understand, formula was. The system desperately needs reform, whereby money raised in an area is kept in that area. therefore. Instead, we have a complicated system in order to try to I welcome the retention of the business rates scheme, ensure that one tax addresses two conflicting priorities. which will localise business rates. Most people are perplexed That is why we will now have a complicated system, and about why business rates currently go straight to Whitehall one that further centralises power by giving more powers in an inefficient way and are then inefficiently redistributed to the Secretary of State. This is centralised localism around the country. once again. The proposal fails to achieve what the Gatwick airport lies within my constituency. It is a Secretary of State says he wants, which is to ensure that massive economic driver. It would be nice if we could authorities with great needs have the same amount of keep all the business rates. If so, I do not know whether resources to spend as previously. All the information we we could quite pave the streets with gold, but we could have received suggests that authorities in the greatest probably fill in a few potholes with gold. It is right to need will lose out. have a system whereby central Government can redistribute I welcome the Secretary of State’s proposal not to in order to support less economically buoyant areas put council tax into the universal credit, as I think it around the country, but it is also right that we localise a should be kept at the local level. My problem is with the large proportion of business rates and thereby allow 10% savings authorities are meant to make. Rightly, local authorities to be much more responsive and to pensioners will be protected from many of the cuts that encourage economic growth. That is good not only for that 10% saving will impose. However, if authorities localism, but for economic growth in each local area—and take account of the tapers under universal credit, so therefore for the economic growth of the country as a there cannot be reductions for those in work claiming whole and for our deficit reduction programme, which council tax benefit, the total burden will fall on the is so important to the well-being of the country. unemployed of working age who claim council tax I wholeheartedly support the Bill. It is good for our benefit. Up to 30% of their benefit could be taken away, local communities and for council tax payers. Finally, and if unemployment rises there will be a further reduction I thank the Secretary of State for working with our in income so authorities will have to cut either other local authorities to freeze council tax for another year; services or, again, the benefits of the unemployed who it rose by 128% in Crawley between 1997 and 2010. are of working age. 97 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 98

There is a further issue. Council tax has been a stable consequences. We have heard mention of the incentives source of income for local authorities over the years. It to promote large warehouse developments. They will is not like a sales tax or an income tax, in that revenue yield the business rates, but perhaps not the same incentives from it does not tend to fall at times of economic to promote SMEs. SMEs may well be more job-creating, difficulty. Now, however, for the first time local authorities which is all important for the local area. We have a great will find that their main source of income, council tax, deal of careful scrutiny to do there in order to avoid will go down at a time of economic difficulty. That will such distortions. create instability at the heart of local government finance. On set-aside, there is a degree of centralisation. It is a The Select Committee looked into this issue. It is impossible first step. In the longer run, I, as a Liberal Democrat, to believe that bringing in a system in a matter of a few think there is a lot more scope for local decision making. months—consulting on it, designing it, bringing in all Taking a purely localist view, the localisation of council the new technology required to implement it—will not tax benefit should be welcomed and I certainly welcome result in any disasters caused by a failure to implement the theory, but I do have concerns about the practicalities. things properly, and such disasters will cause genuine The 10% reduction in the overall budget and the centralised hardship for people. I do not think this proposal can be decision to retain existing benefits for pensioners, right delivered with certainty within the time period. as it may be, does put constraints on each council People whose income changes will also find that they devising its own scheme. It also raises genuine concerns have to go to one office for council tax benefit changes about whether it will be possible to protect all vulnerable and another office for housing benefit changes, which groups of working age adequately. will add further confusion. The Bill does not take that In order to implement a local scheme, each local into account. council will have to use different software, so there are many practicalities that need to be looked at. 7.50 pm On empty homes, there is a real opportunity to drive Annette Brooke (Mid Dorset and North Poole) (LD): this agenda further than in the past. With 300,000 homes As is declared in the Register of Members’ Financial being vacant for more than six months, I am excited by Interests, I am a part-owner of a very small business. the Bill’s proposal to go further than just giving more First, I welcome the general thrust of the Bill: to discretion to local authorities, and to introduce an devolve greater financial powers and freedoms to councils, empty home premium after a property has been empty which is very important to me. On business rates, I for two years. One of my own local authorities is not believe the case for reform is overwhelming. The proposals very keen on this, arguing that an empty home cannot in the Bill will move us away from a complex, non- be defined. I am astonished by this response to the transparent, centralised system, which offered no built-in consultation—I thought we had gone beyond the days incentives for councils to drive economic growth. when we said what was furnished and what was not, Of course, it is difficult and I think brave of the and so on. Secretary of State to propose such a radical overhaul of I want to touch briefly on council tax, which is dealt the existing system, and it is easy to focus on all the with mainly in the consultation and not in the Bill. I fears, which have to be addressed in our subsequent welcome the fact that we can perhaps have a higher tax discussions. In utopia—if there are such things as taxes on second homes. Some 7.29% of homes in part of there—perhaps we could draw up a system where all Purbeck, which I represent, are second homes. This decisions are taken locally, where all business rates are issue is important, and I would like to examine the case retained locally, where there are real incentives for local for a second home premium, similar to the empty authorities to promote economic growth, where there is homes premium. I would also be interested in considering a perfectly fair outcome for all, and where there are not allowing the billing authority to keep some of the extra unpredictable changes in business activity or devastating revenue. If we can do that for the business rates, which impacts from structural changes in our economy. I I welcome—obviously, in a two-tier authority the district rather doubt that, but it is clear that in the real world council will be the driving authority—why cannot— we have to take a pragmatic approach and achieve a balance between the objectives of localism, fairness Madam Deputy Speaker (Dawn Primarolo): Order. and incentivisation, while providing a safety net and I call Jonathan Reynolds. transparency. Incentivisation must be balanced with protection of appropriate resources for all areas, especially 7.55 pm those with the greatest needs. This needs to be done equitably, effectively and transparently for all. Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde) (Lab/Co-op): The Government have made the commitment that there The Government’s promise today is that the measures will be a fair starting point, so that no council is worse contained in the Bill will encourage local economic off at the outset of the scheme. Tariffs and top-ups are growth, and in these times there cannot be a Member proposed, but with provision for councils to benefit on either side of the House who would not back legislation from growth in their business rates. Of course, the devil that would do that. Over Christmas, many of my will be in the detail; we have a lot of scrutiny to do. constituents told me that it already feels like the bad There are safety net provisions, with a levy to tap into old days of the 1980s are back—and not just at the disproportionate gains. Personally, I would like to see cinema. They want us, as a Parliament, to do something local government playing a full role in operating these about it. equalisation mechanisms, along with central Government. Encouraging enterprise and enabling local councils There is a need to provide clear incentives for individual to promote growth are good policies that I support in local authorities to gain from additional local development, principle. I have always believed, particularly during my but I do have some concerns about possible unintended time as a councillor, that local authorities should have 99 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 100

[Jonathan Reynolds] stems from an acknowledgement that the authorities in a city region must have strategies that are complementary, more tools at their disposal to tailor policies to their not competitive. area. However, I am not convinced that the measures in Successful business growth in the centre of Manchester this Bill will deliver these aims. is good for my area, because the people who work in At the heart of the Bill are plans to localise both those businesses may move out to Stalybridge or Hyde, council tax and business rates, but as time is limited where they will get a bigger house and more open I will concentrate on the collection and distribution countryside for their money. However, if we localise the of business rates. As we have heard, under these business rate in the wrong way, that collaboration is proposals councils will retain the business rates they broken, to the detriment of everyone concerned. collect, which will then be subject to a top-up or a tariff. Greater Manchester’s councils are among the most Clearly, the Government intend that those authorities innovative in promoting business and growth on a local where the economy is booming in excess of expectation and regional basis, but successful as they are, they are will benefit financially through the increased collection not the sole determining factor of economic growth in of business rates. As a result, residents in those areas an area. Indeed, official figures from SIGOMA, reported may find their streets a little cleaner, the flowerbeds in the Financial Times last week, suggest that 80% of in the parks better stocked and their libraries open the factors relating to promoting business growth in a longer; but underneath those plans the cost of the given area are nothing to do with local government. better services in the booming areas will be met by areas Particularly in this era of economic difficulty, there are where economic growth has faltered. In these areas, factors that impact on local economic growth that are where deprivation and unemployment are increasing, way beyond the control of local councils. Implementing councils will not benefit from the additional funding, a system that would penalise hard-working and innovative no matter how desperately it is needed. It is these councils when external factors come into play would be residents who will suffer the loss of vital council services wrong. The Government may feel they are justified in as a result. recognising economic growth in this way, but if they are The measures in the Bill are likely to lead to a rewarding areas for circumstances beyond their control, growing divide between “winners” and “losers”, risking this is no more than a lottery. some areas spiralling into decline while others continue We have very little time to discuss this important Bill to grow. Already the Government’s own figures have today. Those who are not involved in local government shown that their spending cuts have disproportionately finance may consider it an unimportant technicality; impacted on areas such as Greater Manchester. The however, it will have a serious impact on our local unfairness was so pronounced that last year the Manchester authorities, and I will vote against it today. Evening News began a campaign against it. The Government should have taken more notice of that 8pm campaign and campaigns like it. Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) (Con): I understand that the changes in the Bill will use the I welcome this Bill as yet another example of this already announced spending allocations from 2012-13 Government’s commitment to localism, private sector as a starting point for the new scheme, but in doing so business growth, local democracy and local accountability. they will build a system on unfair foundations. What For too long, councils have not had sufficient incentive the Government propose will exacerbate that unfairness. to drive business growth in their boroughs and districts. It is the job of the Government to mitigate the impacts The proposals will mean that councils that have been of the recession, not compound them by leaving those unwelcoming to the private sector and job creation, or in trouble to fend for themselves. I appreciate that the even those that treat the private sector with antipathy, Bill does mention top-ups, tariffs and safety nets in will be found out. They will be answerable for their order to prevent this, but there is no indication that actions or for their inaction, and will risk punishment at these measures will be robust enough. In fact, there are the ballot box, where they will rightly be held accountable no estimates as yet of the impact the changes will have by their electorates. on individual local authorities. I do not believe the At this point, I should declare an interest. Nine years Bill should be allowed to progress until there are ago, I relocated my business. I wanted to grow the stringent mechanisms in place to ensure equity in resource business and create more employment in a district which allocation. is now the constituency that I represent. The unhelpful The Bill also fails to recognise that the actions taken nature of the then Labour-controlled local authority by a council are not the sole determinant of economic meant that the project took eight years—it took eight growth in an area, no matter how effective it is. I am years to go through planning and construction, and the intensely proud of Tameside council, my local council, issue was resolved only when it dropped on Tony Blair’s which has always played an activist role in the local desk as the worst case of red tape and bureaucracy economy. It has always been forward-thinking and willing holding back a small or medium-sized business in Great to use the private sector or anyone else to try to make Britain. Since the eventual relocation, in 2003, the company services better. Tameside is of course one of the 10 Greater has created more than 150 new jobs for the district, and Manchester councils that have worked together to develop has paid just under £3 million in corporation tax and one of the most successful systems of city region governance £1 million in business rates. We will never know how in the country: first, through the Association of Greater much more the company could have done if it had not Manchester Authorities, and now the Greater Manchester been so mired in bureaucracy for so long. Happily for Combined Authority. The Government should recognise residents and businesses in North West Leicestershire, that this successful collaboration, which includes councils the district council is now Conservative-controlled, and under the political leadership of all the main parties, has been since 2007, and only last week, I was discussing 101 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 102 with the council leadership how the authority will be notes, which he read out in a rather tedious way, because focusing this year on creating jobs and business it is impossible for the lay reader to understand the opportunities in our district. clauses. They are phrased entirely in terms of amendments If we examine the words of the shadow Secretary of to existing legislation. Interestingly—this is perhaps State today, we find that they reveal the real beliefs of why he was unwilling to rise to the challenge—the very the Labour party about business and democracy, and first piece of legislation referred to, in clause 1, is the go some way to explaining why Labour is not supporting Local Government Finance Act 1988. Some people will the measures in the Bill. Interestingly, the Opposition know what that was—it was the Act that introduced the now agree with the need for reform, but that raises poll tax. So the people responsible for the poll tax are the question of why they failed to act for 13 years in back with us again, only this time they have the Liberals government. The facts suggest to me that they ignored on board with them. the need for reform because of the central command The Bill is incomprehensible as legislation and it is and control that the current system gives the Treasury contradictory in that its effects will be very different or, alternatively, they simply did not have a clue what from what it claims to do. It talks the language of do—perhaps it was a combination of both. What I localism but, as my right hon. Friend the Member for would say is that we need to move away from the Leeds Central (Hilary Benn) ably pointed out from the dependency mindset in local government, which leads Front Bench and as was equally highlighted by my hon. to councils investing much of their effort in lobbying Friend the Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts), central Government for funding by demonstrating the Chair of the Select Committee on Communities and deprivation. Instead councils should be investing in Local Government, it is actually a deeply centralising local growth, in a system where they can raise more measure that gives huge powers to the Secretary of than 80% of their revenues locally, which gives them a State to determine what amounts of local revenue can tangible stake in supporting local shops and local enterprise. be retained by individual local authorities and, crucially, Such an approach is in stark contrast to the command-like how much will be clawed back by the Treasury. One of structure that the previous Labour Government favoured. the key provisions, which the Chair of the Select Committee The shadow Secretary of State has said: highlighted, is the erosion of grant support from the “The proposals don’t sufficiently incentivise councils to get Government to local authorities. The main source of growth going”. revenue to local authorities will now be business rates Yet Labour left a legacy of no incentive for local councils but authorities are not even going to have the benefit of to go for growth, and so the stance could be construed retaining all those rates because of the claw-back provisions as hypocritical. in the Bill. The Bill is a deeply flawed, centralising Another concern that the shadow Secretary of State measure that does not do what it says on the tin; it expressed was that there is no guarantee that some covers itself in the language of localism but is a profoundly councils will not lose out, and so we get to the nub of centralising measure. real Labour party thinking. I believe that Conservative-led Let us address the part of the Bill that deals with councils will do rather well out of this policy, but that is council tax benefit, which is a nasty little piece of not because the proposals give an unfair advantage at legislation and which does not just cut 10% from the the beginning. The starting point has been explained, benefits of people who depend on this for support with and it is transparent and fair. Councils will have a set the cost of their council tax. There are large numbers of baseline and those already above it will pay a tariff to these people—almost 6 million—and, on average, they the Government, while those below it will get an individually are getting about £15 a week, or £800 a year. A very assessed top-up from the Government. So it is fair to large number of vulnerable people depend on this revenue, say that all councils will start on a level playing field. I some of whom will have all of it taken away and some would therefore say that a fear of democracy, transparency of whom will have some of it taken away. We do not and a loss of central control is driving the Labour know what the consequences will be, because the Government party’s opposition to this Bill. In a nutshell, the current have not yet set out the detailed rules. Therefore, local system encourages councils to take part in a race to the authorities, which are expected to introduce the provision bottom in order to get funding, whereas our proposals in just a year’s time—they are to have the scheme in will incentivise a race to the top. place by the end of January 2013—do not know how to I warmly welcome this Bill as another step towards begin to plan the scheme because they do not know creating the growth we need to deal with both the what the Government’s reserve requirements are. financial and democratic deficit left by the previous I must say to the Government that the approach Administration. This Government are proving, yet again, being taken is horrifyingly reminiscent of another disaster their commitment to devolving decision-making powers of the 1980s: the introduction by the then Conservative to local people and making them both responsible and Government of housing benefit. The Conservatives like accountable for their actions. to forget or obscure the fact that it was the Thatcher Government who introduced housing benefit and were 8.4 pm responsible for the scheme which Conservatives are now Mr Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich) (Lab): attacking, criticising and saying needs reforming. Its First, may I draw attention to my interest, as declared in introduction was done in just the same way that the the register? current Government are proposing to introduce these The Bill speaks volumes about the Government changes: in a rush, without adequate consultation and responsible for introducing it. First, it is largely with a lot of the detail unavailable until very much the incomprehensible, and I challenged the Secretary of State, last minute. The consequence then was administrative when he was in his place, to explain, in plain English, chaos, which was described by some of the country’s the meaning of the first seven clauses. Of course he most respected newspapers as the immediately had to rush to get a copy of the explanatory “biggest administrative fiasco in the history of the welfare state.” 103 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 104

[Mr Nick Raynsford] afterwards and 2011, there were only two years when 50% or less of the funding was provided by central I have to say to this Government that they are on Government. The result is threefold: we have a declining track to repeat that experience now. They are rushing calibre of councillor and officer from parties represented ahead with a highly complex scheme without giving in every part of this Chamber; we have a rupture in the local authorities the time to prepare properly, and they relationship between business and councils that has are going to do it in a way which imposes steep cuts and stifled economic growth, especially in our provincial therefore affects the living standards of people who towns and cities; and we have falling participation and depend on this benefit for their welfare. The approach is democratic interest from the electorate. profoundly irresponsible and I sincerely hope that the The Bill does an enormous amount to start to turn Government will at least use one of the powers that the clock back to a position in which local authorities they have given the Secretary of State in this Bill and, by have responsibility for growth and can reap the benefits order, amend the date on which this scheme can be of seeing businesses start up, employ people and create introduced. I sincerely hope that they will listen to the prosperity and wealth in their areas. Importantly, it also good advice of the Select Committee and defer what includes the downside risk, and this is where I welcome otherwise promises to be an administrative fiasco that the Government’s reform of council tax benefit. Councils will cause immense hardship. must feel the heat under their feet that will caused by the fact that if they do not get local economies going, 8.9 pm they will have to bear the consequences of dealing with Ben Gummer (Ipswich) (Con): It was said at the the result, which is joblessness. It is important that they beginning of the debate that we live in one of the most do everything in their power to ensure that companies centralised states in Europe, if not the world. Only can prosper and employ, creating jobs and growth. Malta, according to the Government, has a more centralised The much-stated aim of councils is that they want to system of local government. The Netherlands, in my work with businesses, but frankly, as we know, they understanding, is the only other country that collects often pay just lip service to that. I ask the Government less of its tax locally than Britain. That is bad not just in to look even further at tax competition between local itself but because it goes against the Government’s authorities, so that we can have a genuine fight for jobs, stated objectives of localising as far as possible, not just prosperity and growth in the towns and cities across our down to local government but from local government country. to communities, from the European Union to national Governments and so on. 8.14 pm The shadow Secretary of State, the right hon. Member John Healey (Wentworth and Dearne) (Lab): The Bill for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn), put the debate in the brings about the most fundamental change in local context of Layfield and the broader history of local government funding since the poll tax. Like the poll tax, government finance, and correctly so, but we cannot it is a big change that is being forced through too fast speak about local government and its relationship with and, like the poll tax, there is no consensus of support business without thinking about why we have many of behind it. This reform and this Bill build in unfairness our local authorities and why they were successful 100 years like a ratchet. ago or 150 years ago in creating the great towns and At the moment essential local services are funded on cities that many of us are profoundly lucky to represent. the basis of need. After this legislation is passed, they The hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central (Tristram will be funded on the basis of the ability to raise tax and Hunt) has written eloquently on this subject and I feel pay locally. Ninety years ago, 30 councillors from Poplar that, as he sits on the Opposition Benches, we almost went to prison to establish the principle of equalisation have the ghost of Joseph Chamberlain with us—a man in local government funding. That equalisation means who showed that the union of business and local authority, that we now have a system of funding that enables each through municipalism and corporatism, could create council to provide services to residents to a similar urban spaces that were good for every type of person in standard. That is why the current formula for grant to that authority, creating wealth, prosperity and growth local councils takes into account population, need and and the great civic buildings of our towns and cities. the capacity to raise funds through the local council tax. That approach created the urban growth that made It takes account of the fact that there are more than wealth and prosperity possible in the latter half of the three times more looked-after children in Newcastle 19th century, with the first great slum clearances, the than in Surrey. It takes account of the fact that Bexley provision of a good water supply and all the things on and Barnsley have similar populations, but Bexley raises which we still depend today. more than £37 million more in council tax each year The way in which we have gone from that position to than Barnsley does. where we are now, when, if we are honest with ourselves, The Bill ends the equalisation that George Lansbury councils represent in many cases a desiccated, demoralised and his Labour councillors in Poplar fought for just and often moribund arm of the state, is a profoundly after the first world war. With council tax frozen or sorry story and one for which responsibility is shared, capped by referendums, the increased funding for increased as the shadow Secretary of State so correctly said, by spending and increased need must be met through Governments over many years. It started a long time increased business rates. The problem for the future is ago, in 1835, which was the first time that central that the opportunities to grow the business rate are Government took a precept from local taxation. Even unevenly spread across the country, as is the business by the 1870s, 90% of taxation was still raised locally base. Kensington and Chelsea has a smaller population and that figure did not fall beneath 70% until the 1950s. than Barnsley or Rotherham, yet it raises more than The decline fell to the point at which, between the three and a half times the business rates of Rotherham period covered by 1993-94 and the 16 years that came and more than five times the rates that we raise in Barnsley. 105 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 106

The local government finance system is, as the Secretary many other large metropolitan areas—to see private, of State said, complex and incomprehensible. The Bill local and locally generated ways of creating regeneration. will make it more complex and less comprehensible. It Given the lack of central funds at the moment to has, in my view, four big flaws. First, from year one the promote more regeneration, the pooling of business gap between affluent and less affluent areas will grow. rates, of ideas, of enterprise zones and of TIFs across a The affluent areas with the higher business tax base whole local area creates a genuine way forward. That is start with an advantage that will just get bigger and the another reason why I am excited by the proposals. system of tariffs and top-ups will reduce but not remove On TIFs, there was some disagreement among those those disparities as otherwise they would remove the who replied to the consultation about options 1 and 2 incentives to grow, too. and about enterprise zone issues. Should we have small Secondly, the idea that the legislation will localise limited schemes that are not subject to the tariff and business rates is largely an illusion. As my right hon. top-ups regime or should there be ring-fencing to ensure Friend the Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn), that longer-term schemes can be put together? The the shadow Secretary of State, said so clearly, some of Government listened and both those options are available. the most critical decisions about how the system will be Clearly, option 2 could create a drain on the overall designed and operated will be made by central Government business rates pool and might therefore have to be and not local government. limited. I think we all understand how that works. Thirdly, local government’s certainty about funding Likewise, we need to be able to have a more flexible, for the future and therefore long-term planning will be shorter-term version of the TIF pool to ensure that badly undermined by the new system because business smaller local councils, perhaps in better financed areas, rates income is volatile and hard to predict. The Secretary can also get shorter-term projects enabled. That is why of State’s decisions about the design of the system will, I welcome the flexibility being built in. it seems to me, inevitably have to be made annually, On empty properties and second homes, it is right undermining the ability of local government to plan for that people who own second homes should pay full the long term. council tax. After all, they rely on the value of their Fourthly, business growth is not the same as business houses being backed up by an enabled local council that rates growth, so the incentives to councils to see and allows rubbish to be taken away and planning decisions support the economic growth of their area might prove to be made. It therefore seems quite proper that they to be weak or even perverse under the new system. should be asked to make a full contribution to the Business rates are levied on buildings—the bigger the rateable value of their houses. I also strongly welcome better—so supermarkets, gyms and warehouses are good, the potential to charge those who have long-term empty but small starter units with high-tech design and properties in their possession a premium on council tax. manufacturing are bad. Given that there are 400,000 long-term empty homes in Britain, the Government must do everything they possibly Finally, the changes this Bill makes to council tax can to get those houses back into occupation. benefit are a hospital pass to local government. Many people in Rotherham benefit from that support by I want to spend a little more time on the issue of about £15 a week. That will be cut by £2 million in council tax benefit localisation, with which I have some 15 months’ time, and although pensioners will be protected, issues in principle. I was on the Welfare Reform Bill other groups will find the cut is even bigger. This is a Committee and it seemed unusual to me to single one bad Bill and we must oppose it. benefit out of all the benefits being put into universal credit and put it to one side. That made no great 8.20 pm intellectual sense to me. I understand that there is a perfectly reasonable argument about localisation and George Hollingbery (Meon Valley) (Con): I should about local councils being able to create local schemes like to draw Members’ attention to my entry in the for their local areas to reflect local circumstances, but Register of Members’ Financial Interests. this issue added another layer of complexity and it It is a challenge to follow the two very thoughtful came out of a Bill that was meant to create simplicity. speeches of the right hon. Member for Wentworth and For me, the argument did not stack up. However, we are Dearne (John Healey) and my hon. Friend the Member whereweare. for Ipswich (Ben Gummer). The historical context they I have some questions for the Minister to answer later gave is very useful, but I cannot help but be persuaded today or in Committee. Is there any reason why we that localising business rate collection and incentivising should not have an official pooling of council tax local councils to grow their own areas in terms of the benefit schemes across my area in Hampshire, for example? economy has to be the right thing to do. I met the cabinet Why cannot all district councils in an area get together of Havant borough council, which is not a wealthy to create some sort of agreed pool? That would allow council by any manner of means, on Friday to explain some flexibility in under-collection and over-collection the implications of the Bill, and those members were and would stop some of the perverse incentives that genuinely excited by what they heard. They said, “That there might be in the scheme that would push people, means we are going to have to rethink everything we do. particularly those in social housing and where there is a No longer are we going to be pleading for funding—we joint housing register, to move into one of the areas on are actually going to go out there and find it for that register. There is a potential problem with this issue ourselves.” That is an exciting development. and a county-wide scheme in two-tier authorities might I particularly welcome pooling. The Select Committee be very useful. on Communities and Local Government, under the On parishes, I noticed in the response to the consultation chairmanship of the hon. Member for Sheffield South that in chapter 5 there had been some discussion about East (Mr Betts), went to Manchester. There is a huge parishes. If there is to be a grant to local government to appetite in that part of the world—and, I suspect, in be distributed as a council tax discount, what will be the 107 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 108

[George Hollingbery] be offered if in Plymouth, hypothetically, the dockyard failed and the naval base closed, after the scheme had status of parish council precepts given that they are not been established by the individual authority? How would part of the same authority? Will there be a legal system it cope with the additional council tax benefit burden by which parish councils can be compensated for the and the loss of business rates—a double whammy, and lack of collection of council tax? I am not sure that has at present with no specified safety net? We have talked been wholly resolved. In my part of the world, certainly, generally about a safety net; the detail is not there. this issue will be very important. Where will the baseline for these changes be set? Is it Finally, discussions on clause 107 of the Welfare possible that it could have perverse outcomes if set in Reform Bill suggested that the single fraud investigation the wrong place? What assessment have the Government service would deal with all benefit investigations. That made of the potential cut-off points, and are those is on the record in the Hansard of the Bill Committee’s public? Can the Minister answer the SIGOMA queries proceedings. However, chapter 8 of the consultation that we have heard in the debate? This is complex document and response suggests that this will now be territory and it is not an area where things should be the province of local councils. I would welcome some rushed through, unless we want to see further delays to clarification on that. this legislation as it starts to unravel under scrutiny. I am sure the other place will take a close interest in that. 8.25 pm On business rates, does the Minister not accept that Alison Seabeck (Plymouth, Moor View) (Lab): I draw we could see a postcode lottery on a grand scale, where the House’s attention to my indirect interests in the services vary markedly from one authority to another, Register of Members’ Financial Interests, as previously which could threaten the very ability of some councils stated in other debates. in areas of low economic growth to deliver necessary The Bill covers a number of areas including the services? That, of course, leads to a downward spiral in non-domestic rating of council tax with specific reference those areas, which certainly would not be attractive to to changes to council tax benefit and additional taxation inward investment. for empty homes. I should have liked to spend more What is the role of the local enterprise partnerships time on the empty homes proposal but unfortunately in all this? None of that is clear, particularly in relation time does not allow that. I will simply say that although to pooling, as we have heard. Will the pooling arrangements sticks are welcome, the clauses on this issue are poorly be allowed to cut across LEP boundaries, and if so, how drafted and will leave opportunities for smart operators and where does the risk lie? They will certainly have an to find their way around the additional charge. For interest in that. The hon. Member for Ipswich (Ben example, the allowance that the property must be Gummer) talked about councils feeling the fire at their substantially unfurnished could leave considerable room feet, but does he understand what will happen if one of for argument. the other Government Departments does not do its On the section relating to the localisation of council job? Let us take transport for example and look at the tax benefit, the Government might package this as far south-west—how will those local authorities be able being about passing down powers to councils, but the to invest in new roads, new rails, new airports? They reality, as my right hon. Friend the Member for Wentworth simply cannot do it. It is unfair. The Bill is not about and Dearne (John Healey) said, is that it is a hospital local choice; it is about local cuts. pass to many communities and that the Secretary of State would continue to pull many of the strings. Cuts 8.29 pm will come—there is no doubt about that—because if the Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) (Con): I shall pensioner element is effectively protected then, as we focus my comments on the business rate proposals, and have heard, the 10% reduction in income will have to be I should like to share with the House the example of my shared out among the remaining groups. local authority, Milton Keynes council, to show how In Plymouth, about 25,000 people are currently in the Bill will benefit growth and help deliver better receipt of council tax benefit. Of those, a significant infrastructure in the local area. number will have a child dependant, will be single At present, Milton Keynes loses out pretty badly people in low-paid work or will be disabled, but there is under the current system. According to figures that I no mention in the Bill of protection for people with got from the Library this morning, in the current financial disabilities. This reform is dressed up as providing discretion year businesses in Milton Keynes are due to contribute and choice, but all it will do is localise cuts and target £132.5 million in business rates, yet Milton Keynes pain on those who are least able to cope. Unless Plymouth authority will get back about half of that—just under city council can find the money from elsewhere in its £70 million. Opposition Members may think that Milton budget to make up the lost 10%, it will have no choice Keynes is a very affluent place, part of the golden but to cut the amount paid to people or to find cuts south-east, but there is fairly significant deprivation from other services that have already taken quite a hit and very often we lose out in our share of the funding and that will see further reductions in the coming years formula, be it for local authorities or for the health of the current comprehensive spending review. service. What we want is our fair share. I quite accept Plymouth has also seen an increase of over 36% in the principle of fiscal sharing of revenues across a the last five years in the take-up of council tax benefit, country; any western country has that. The more affluent as compared with an England average of 25%. Answers areas will contribute more to help those that are less so. given to Members of the House who have asked I am not saying that we should move away from that parliamentary questions reveal significant disparities in principle, but the history of Milton Keynes shows that take-up in different areas, and I am not clear from the we have not had our fair share over the years, and I very documents that I have seen that the Government have much welcome the proposals that will give us that fair taken that into consideration. What protection would share. 109 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 110

Milton Keynes is a fast-growing area; it has developed 1870 to 1914. This was when our great urban centres enormously in recent decades, but I do not believe that were civilised: Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester, Stoke- in terms of business growth we have realised our full on-Trent and even London under the London county potential. Certainly there has been huge housing growth council. This was the age of museums and parks, town in recent years, but that has not necessarily been halls and swimming pools, schools and hospitals. There underpinned by the necessary business growth and the was a widespread belief in the virtue of local government necessary infrastructure to support those new houses. and its capacity to deliver real change for the life The measures in the Bill, coupled with those that have chances of the poorest in Britain. The London county been introduced by the Localism Act 2011, will make us councillor and dockers leader John Burns described “a more masters of our own destiny, and I think in my revived municipal ideal”, the goal of which was local area we will seize that opportunity, and help “to do for all what private enterprise does for a few. It is the develop Milton Keynes and grow it into what we want it conscious ordering of the city, through ownership of public to be. services, of its own comfort, happiness, and destiny”— The measures on business rates are warmly welcomed in fact, pretty much everything that this Government by the local business community. This morning I was in are opposed to. contact with Colin Fox, the new chief executive of the local chambers of commerce. He endorsed the view that But of course this cost money. There was extensive local businesses very much support them, and that they borrowing by local authorities—I welcome provisions want business to be a genuine partner of the local to allow for extra borrowing by local authorities—and authority in boosting growth and developing the there was expenditure. In 1905, local authorities accounted infrastructure that underpins that business growth in for more than 50% of total Government expenditure, the future. I believe that, whatever mechanism the local a figure which has come down to around 18% today, a authority has to work with business, that should be clear indication of the decline of local authority power. decided by the local authority. There is potential for a We are all guilty in that process—inter-war demands for very good partnership to develop our local place. national efficiency, post-war demands for centralisation, I finish by giving just one example of how I believe demands for rationalisation in the 1970s, and privatisations the Bill’s measures can work, particularly the power in the 1980s. that it will give to borrow against future revenue streams, At the heart of this story is finance. The capacity of which is not currently permitted. Just before Christmas, local authorities to raise funds and be responsible for the Chancellor announced the building of the east-west their allocation has been crippled. Today far too many railway line, which will go through my constituency—a local authorities seem overly dependent on car parking very welcome announcement. One addition to that charges, for example, rather than any other income which is not currently part of the scheme but which stream. This is in stark contrast to the situation in some people locally have promoted is the building of a America and on the European continent. The lack of a rail freight terminal in Milton Keynes to encourage plural funding base has undermined our councils’ ability more transport of freight by rail rather than road. If the to deliver for local communities, and made them overly local authority could borrow against its projected business dependent on the decisions of Whitehall, rather than rate revenue, it would help develop that project and town hall. So councils need the power which comes enhance the scope of the scheme that is already in place from financial autonomy, all of which makes the Bill so and is already worth while. I offer that up as one disappointing. example of how the measures could really drive the On the issue of liberty and equity, on the freedom of local economic growth that we all want to see, and I am councils to act, as set against the broader need for social very happy heartily to endorse the Bill. justice across the country, the Secretary of State’s Bill 8.34 pm fails. The Government’s system of tariffs and top-ups Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab): It is a will see a wholly unacceptable loss of income for those great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Milton local authorities with less business rate income than Keynes South (Iain Stewart). their peers. This is, Mr Deputy Speaker, as you will know, a north-south issue. We have spoken of Knowsley I am instinctively in favour of some of the reforms v. Basingstoke, of Bexley v. Barnsley. On the Government’s that we are discussing. Undoing the damage which the plans—for all their talk of recouping disproportionate previous Tory Government did to local authorities always incomes—there will be a massive boon for high-performing seems to me a good idea. It would have been nice to cities in the south-east and marked loss of incomes for hear a slightly longer and deeper apology about John struggling cities in the north. Major’s decision to nationalise the business rates, but we cannot have everything. What is more, the reset mechanism and support The reason why I am instinctively in favour of the funds do not properly account for the loss of a major thinking behind the Bill is that the past 100 years have employer—a dock, for example—and as we have heard, witnessed, as the hon. Member for Ipswich (Ben Gummer) there are perverse incentives in the business rate model suggested, a relentless emasculation of local government that encourage services over manufacturing when we power and autonomy. As this place has found less and are meant to be rebalancing the British economy, and less to do with questions of war, empire and global large square-footage over intensive employment. affairs, it has concentrated on and interfered relentlessly It is even unclear from the Government’s own ambitions with the powers of local government, most of all in the how these plans will stimulate growth when the Treasury field of local government financing. top-slice takes away the incentive. It is uncertain, it is Perhaps you will allow a little history, Mr Deputy unpredictable and it is fiendishly complex. This will not Speaker. The great age of local government—of municipal benefit Stoke-on-Trent, which we all want to see benefit socialism, of gas and water socialism—was the period from Government legislation. In fact, it will be hard hit 111 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 112

[Tristram Hunt] than two years. That, together with the incentive to get existing properties back into use through the new homes in the ensuing years, which is why I urge Ministers to bonus, will have a hugely positive effect on getting our think again about the Bill. We believe in some of its properties back into use. propositions, but I will be voting against it. There are many more matters that I would like to speak about in some depth, but I will not do so on this 8.39 pm occasion. I welcome the fact that the Bill will come before a Committee of the whole House rather than a Mr Marcus Jones (Nuneaton) (Con): I give my broad Bill Committee, which will give Back-Bench Members support to the Bill and its Second Reading this evening. an opportunity to raise their concerns about some of It will enable the start of the journey away from central the minutiae of the Bill at that point. control of council funding, and will give councils more autonomy both to raise local funding and to set spending The Bill aligns with the coalition agenda to move on local community priorities, rather than the perceived communities from a culture of dependency to one of priorities of Whitehall. Pursuing the latter over a number greater-self reliance, but provides the safety net to bridge of years has created a perverse system whereby councils the gap where communities have the problems that have constantly been looking to the next Whitehall make it difficult to achieve that self-reliance. I will initiative and the next Government grant. That system therefore support the Bill this evening. has let down some of our most deprived communities, as despite external and formula grants increasing in real 8.43 pm terms for more than a decade from 1998 onwards, the Heidi Alexander (Lewisham East) (Lab): Given the gap between rich and poor actually widened during that time constraints, I will focus my remarks on part 1 of period. the Bill, which deals with local business rate retention. I In the scramble to get funding into local authorities, have concerns about the localisation of council tax those prescriptive grants would quite often not match benefit, but I will save those for another day. the priorities of an area, of if they did, they would often Earlier today we had a lecture from the Secretary of overlap with the current authority provision because State on how councils need to be financially incentivised the grant criteria could not be tailored to local need. to encourage business growth and start-ups. We were Services could often not be integrated, leading to very told that the current arrangements, whereby central poor value for money and a continuous bolt-on of Government redistribute national business rate income services, which councils then had to make very difficult to councils based on local need, is a complex and decisions on, in terms of deciding whether to retain opaque system that does little to encourage an authority them or not, once the grant funding from Government to foster economic growth. But the reality is that the expired. Pursuing the former and moving away from a partial business rate retention scheme that the Bill proposes central grants system will allow councils to make clearer will simply replace one complex system with another. It long-term decisions based on the priorities of the will not boost economic growth as the Minister claims. communities that they serve. It is the wrong policy at the wrong time. I wholeheartedly welcome the mechanisms in place in The idea that a council’s ability to fund child protection the Bill to ensure that no council is worse off at the or elderly care should be determined by the number of outset of the changes. That, together with a system of businesses it boasts is not right. The idea that councils top-ups and tariffs, will ensure fairness. I also welcome will act to improve their area’s economic fortunes only the concept of the retention of future local business if they stand to gain some direct benefit for their coffers rates. I believe that that will make councils, particularly is insulting, and the idea that this policy is the correct planning authorities, think far more carefully about one at a time when businesses are paying off debt rather creating a good mixture of commercial development than investing in new facilities goes to show how desperate and housing in their local plans. Many of my constituents the Government are. I am not suggesting that councils feel that any plans for new housing must be matched by do not have a role to play in local economic development— the creation of new employment to ensure that communities far from it—but I am realistic enough to know that the are sustainable and cohesive, and not just commuter actions of an individual council will only ever be one belts for the larger conurbations, with poorly thought part of the jigsaw. out, over-intensive housing developments. Let us take Lewisham as an example. Lewisham has It is also vital that the Government address the one of the smallest business bases in London, as 70% of problem of empty dwellings, which the Bill does. As a its working population leave the borough every day to Conservative I am a firm believer in a property-owning go to work. The police station in the heart of the town democracy and therefore the right of an individual to centre is the borough’s ninth largest business rate payer, use a property in any way they wish within the rule of the other large rate payers being supermarkets and law, but I am acutely aware of the situation that we now schools. It is a densely populated residential borough. face with huge numbers of long-term vacant properties— There are pockets of prosperity, but there is also high nearly 280,000 in England last year alone—and the unemployment. Before becoming an MP I was Lewisham councils covering my constituency have 1,100 such council’s cabinet member for regeneration. Despite what properties. With such a housing shortage, and with the Government Ministers might think, I did not sit around proposal of new housing developments across the country, twiddling my thumbs and thinking that if only we could it is morally right that we try to correct the failure of the retain growth in future business rates we would do X, Y market in this case and get those long-term empty or Z to stimulate development. Funnily enough, I remember properties back into use. Therefore I welcome the doing quite a lot to try to grow the local economy, not Government’s move to allow councils to charge additional because it would mean money for Lewisham council, but council tax where a property has been vacant for more because it was the right thing to do for Lewisham people. 113 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 114

A huge amount has been done to try to stimulate problems that Opposition Members have spoken about, local economic development, but Lewisham’s business which is why that is not what is set out in the Bill. A rate growth over the past few years has been modest, totally nationalised system would be totally centralised, from a small base. The biggest business rate payer is a taking business rates completely away from local authorities. media company based in offices above Lewisham’s bowling What is proposed instead is a very simple and powerful alley. It is paying £2.8 million in business rates this year, idea: giving local authorities, in a fair way, the power to an increase of over £2.7 million from the £80,000 it paid retain some of the business rates they collect, creating a in 2008. Why the sudden growth? What did Lewisham much more physical link between them and the local council do to encourage that growth? The honest answer business community. When we talk to constituents, we is very little. The business did not undergo development, often find that they think that that happens anyway. expand its occupation or intensify the use of its site. Some are surprised to learn that business rates are Basically, the company had to pay business rates on the simply passed up the chain, and that the link between fibre-optic cables it had laid across London. Its offices the local business community and the local authority is in Lewisham are the biggest it has in London, so not there to the extent that it used to be. Lewisham collects the £2.8 million. What does that That link will help councils to develop proactive experience tell me? It exemplifies how an increase in strategies on regeneration beyond those they have at the business rate income may have very little to do with the moment, and to develop better relationships with their actions of the local authority and that, although economic major employers, so that they can work together to see growth might be encouraged by a council, unless a how they can foster business growth. Although these range of other positive factors coalesce, businesses may are difficult economic times, some businesses are looking not grow and start-ups may not emerge. to expand. I see them in my local authority, and the Old Street’s silicon roundabout was always more council is having discussions with them on what it can likely to develop in Old street than, say, Catford. Why? do. The business community wants a greater sense of Old Street is on the tube map and Catford is not. urgency on the part of local authorities—even local Extend the Bakerloo line to Lewisham and on to Catford authorities that have a good relationship with their and we might have more of a chance. Even if we businesses—in planning decisions and consultations, regenerate Catford town centre, would we be able to and in working together and saying, “What can we do woo those high-tech start-ups from Shoreditch? I suspect to help you to grow your business?” not, because businesses like to locate next to other I agree with the hon. Member for Lewisham East similar businesses—the agglomeration economies we (Heidi Alexander) that it is difficult to see how growth all learnt about in our geography lessons—and success can be stimulated in local authorities where there are breeds success. pockets of deprivation and low business activity. Such I believe that councils have differing potential to problems have existed in Folkestone harbour and the attract and grow business in their areas, and I do not east end of Folkestone since the departure of the channel understand why that gives local authorities the right to ferry business and the closure of the traditional port. grow their resources in order to be able to provide extra There, a private investor and philanthropist has invested services to their local population. The factors that determine to create a new business community based around the growth in an area’s business rate income will sometimes arts and creative industries. I wholeheartedly support have little to do with what a council is or is not doing. It that scheme, which has been driven by big private will never bear any relation to the number of elderly investment, but the challenge is to ask what the local people who require care packages or the number of authority can do alongside that to help drive the process children who require child protection plans. Linking the forward, rather than simply taking planning decisions two, albeit through a convoluted system with all manner and having a friendly relationship. Can the local authority of supposed checks and balances built in, does not seem look to invest alongside that development, to create a right to me. I cannot help but think that this is another new raison d’être for that local economy that will attract case of the Government trying to pass the buck and other businesses? shift the blame for their own failings. Councils are not In that respect, the tax increment financing powers the reason why the economy is flatlining, but they might are interesting and important, because they create a be part of the solution. The ultimate responsibility lies mechanism whereby local authorities can borrow to with the Government. invest to improve business infrastructure to attract business. We know that in areas of market failure, market forces 8.48 pm on their own are not enough to drive regeneration. Damian Collins (Folkestone and Hythe) (Con): In the There are fundamental reasons why the business base in short time available I wish to focus my remarks on that area has collapsed, and it needs special help and business rates and tax increment financing. I will pick support. The tax increment financing powers in the Bill up on an issue that has been raised throughout the can deliver that, and the incentives for local authorities debate, particularly by Opposition Members, which is to grow their business rates. They will know that doing that the partial retention of business rates is unbelievably so gives them more money to spend on local resources. complicated and that it is somehow a centralising step; The powers will also give local authorities an argument it is anything but that. The fundamental principle is to make to local people when they are considering incredibly simple: it is about creating a mechanism planning applications for business expansion. They can whereby there is a greater degree of common cause say, “The community gets something back from the between business growth in the business community local authority’s proactive relationship with the local and the decisions a local authority might take. business community and from seeing business rates grow.” I have heard no one in the debate support a totally Tax increment finance powers enable local authorities localised system, with councils keeping every single to behave in the way that a major commercial landlord penny of business rates. That would exacerbate the of a large estate would behave. In most parts of the 115 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 116

[Damian Collins] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government (Andrew Stunell): country, town centres are not dominated by a single Does the hon. Gentleman recognise that in the past five landlord, but we find that situation in the centre of years Sefton has had an annual increase in its business London. Such a commercial landlord will invest heavily rate of 6.1%, and Liverpool has had an annual increase in improving the quality of the business stock and of 8.2%? business infrastructure, in the knowledge that they will gain when the higher rents come in. Bill Esterson: I am glad the Minister made that Some landlords that operate in central London, such comment, because it gives me the chance to make the as the Grosvenor estate, which operates a mixed commercial point that that was before the massive cuts in Sefton, and residential portfolio, invest in commercial areas Liverpool and other metropolitan boroughs made it and give discounted rates to make the community a unlikely that such developments will continue. It is very nicer place to live, knowing that they can recoup the likely that we will see a reduction in business growth as discount through the residential income they get from a result of the impact on the economy. rent on their properties. They take a view on investing in their estate and getting the money back. In areas of the country where no single dominant landlord can do that, Andrew Stunell: It’s the same old record. taking such a view is a role for local authorities. With the new relationship with the business rates and the Bill Esterson: The Minister says it is the same old powers of tax increment financing, we give local authorities record—but it is the same old Tories doing the same old a way to develop a local plan for regeneration that will things to the most deprived communities. be better and more targeted than any Government Department could ever devise for that community. The Government’s proposals in the Bill are unfair and hit the poorest communities hardest. They also ignore the reality that, as my hon. Friend the Member 8.53 pm for Lewisham East (Heidi Alexander) said, councils Bill Esterson (Sefton Central) (Lab): I shall speak have a limited role in promoting growth. Only authorities about the business rates proposals, the many gaps in the that grow business rates above the level of the Government’s Bill and the unanswered questions. The councils that national assumption will benefit, while the others will have faced the biggest cuts will lose most from the lose, so the gap between the most prosperous and the proposed changes to business rates. The impact of the less well-off will widen. local government cuts on businesses will take many The Secretary of State retains many of the powers years to work their way through, because there will be relating to business rates. The centralising tendency is less money in the economy where the cuts in the public very much in evidence, and the more the Bill is scrutinised, sector are greatest. In Sefton the cuts are already affecting the clearer it becomes that localism will be dished out businesses that rely for much of their trade on the in very small doses, at the bidding of the Secretary of public sector. The economy in Sefton, Liverpool and State. The Treasury is to take a cut of any growth in across the north-west will face greater pressures than business rates. That undermines the stated aim of the areas where the cuts have been far smaller. incentivising local councils, and it risks limiting the likely take-up by the vast majority of councils—a point Steve Rotheram (Liverpool, Walton) (Lab): Would being made by many local authority leaders. my hon. Friend be surprised to hear that when I asked the Secretary of State, in this very House on 18 July, I am aware of the many concerns about the plans for whether he would the local retention of business rates. Many questions still need to be answered. The Government plan to “guarantee that Liverpool will not see a real-terms cut in its funding” reward councils that exceed national growth expectations, so they will, by definition, artificially punish areas that in the first two years following the changes, he said: have low growth, such as rural areas or areas where “Yes, it is going to do better out of this system”?—[Official major industries have recently shut down. Report, 18 July 2011; Vol. 531, c. 670.] The measures will also penalise areas such as Sefton, Bill Esterson: I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who is where there is a shortage of available industrial land, absolutely right. The Secretary of State made similar and where there are limits on the potential for economic remarks in his speech today, and I will explain why he is development. Sefton is in the process of putting together completely wrong. its core strategy, and it is struggling to find the development The reality is that even if the starting point for land needed to benefit from the Secretary of State’s business rate retention is after the main element of the proposals. I hope he will take on board the very real cuts has gone through, some businesses will struggle to concerns not only of council leaders, but of businesses survive in areas where the cuts have been greatest. that face the problem of being unable to create growth Councils in those areas will therefore experience falling because they do not have land available. business rates, with a further impact on the services that Given the Government’s record in applying the current can be provided by the councils that have faced the cuts unfairly, there is no confidence that they will not do biggest cuts. Areas such as Sefton and Liverpool have the same with business rates localisation. Incentives for some of the most deprived communities in the country. local councils to generate economic activity are one The scale of the Government’s cuts has already hit thing, but a system that undermines local authorities those communities harder than the more prosperous serving deprived communities and boosts those in least parts of the country, and that includes the loss of need is not the way forward. The Secretary of State services to some of the most vulnerable. should think again. 117 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 118

8.58 pm borrowing through some of these schemes it could open up new development plans to business. It is looking Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con): forward to being able to close the north-south divide. At this stage of the debate we always try not to double up on what others have said, but the hon. Member for My support for the reforms is based on the need to Sefton Central (Bill Esterson) said it would be fine if achieve growth. Like many Government and Opposition the present local government finance scheme had actually Members, week after week I meet businesses in the dealt with the differences between authorities. Many north-west, particularly in my constituency, that have Opposition Members have talked about perverse incentives the potential to grow but just want a little extra support. and about a lot of history, but let me explain some That might mean doing up the road on the industrial history. estate or providing a bit of extra shedding so that they can meet their orders. With these changes, councils will I spent 17 years as a Conservative member of Hackney finally have an interest in encouraging that business. council, which the shadow Secretary of State referred to [Interruption.] Opposition Members might scoff, but as one of Britain’s poorest boroughs. When I joined the as was pointed out, in particular by my hon. Friends the council as a Conservative—as Members can imagine, Members for Ipswich (Ben Gummer) and for Milton there were not many Conservatives on Hackney council—it Keynes South (Iain Stewart), the problem is that local used to proclaim itself Britain’s poorest borough for a councils, for good or ill, have divorced themselves—or reason. There was almost a perverse incentive for it to have been divorced by the system—from any real interest do so. I am not saying that Labour councillors did not in encouraging and supporting economic growth. want to see the council and its tenants better off, but it was in their interests, given the funding regime, to The best councils have wanted to encourage growth. I exaggerate how badly off Hackney was. It meant that take my hat off to those such as the hon. Member for they could get more from the rate support grant. Lewisham East (Heidi Alexander), whom I have met before in relation to this matter, for all the work that That perverse incentive has continued. I shall give they have done to encourage that growth, but the fact is, another example from those days and my early learning as we all recognise, that some councils and council experiences in local government in the 1980s. I used to officers have seen little benefit in going out there to sit on the housing committee, and once while discussing support and encourage business because it has not housing benefits I made what I thought was a stirring directly affected their income. These changes will at speech on behalf of Hackney’s tenants when the Labour least start to address that situation. party wanted to increase rents by 6.8%. I was complimented I shall finish on a point that I have raised elsewhere. afterwards on the standard of my speech. Members I think—I might be wrong—that under paragraph 37 of might not believe it but I was a new young councillor schedule 1 the Secretary of State could allow new types then. But I was told, “Actually Eric, it doesn’t matter. of enterprise zones. Why are we not encouraging university They’re all on benefits so we can just put up the rents.” campuses to have their own enterprise zones? I know We are not saying—although I understand that the that that would cause problems with Treasury mandarins Opposition have tried to say it—that the change proposed and their calculations, but we seem to have missed a by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State is a trick, because we are talking about something that massive revolution along the lines of the community could be the very basis for creating and developing new charge, but, as other Government Members have said, it businesses, albeit not on such a large scale. Once those will mean that we can begin to provide councillors with businesses got that extra bit of employment, they would a way of raising extra money by entering a bargaining have to move off by definition, because of the nature of system with business. The main thing that counts when university campuses. That would mean getting the turnover encouraging business growth is a person’s ability to put that we want and would deal with the criticism of the their own money on the table. At the moment, though, old enterprise zones—that businesses moved in from there is little in the system to give councillors that other areas and stayed there. ability. I believe that these reforms are the first step along that road. 9.5 pm Members have mentioned the north-side divide. I Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab): I am pleased represent a part of the north, and my district councils to follow the hon. Member for Lancaster and Fleetwood are looking forward to these reforms. For example, (Eric Ollerenshaw), who is living in cloud cuckoo land if Lancaster council can now envisage finally being able to he thinks that this Bill will suddenly drop pennies from raise money off its own back, go into partnership with heaven on to his constituency and the north of England, local businesses and perhaps open that third bridge. to regenerate his and other areas. What we have before us today is an extension of this Government’s local Mr Kevan Jones: Does the hon. Gentleman realise government policy, which is about cutting local government that his council will also have to take responsibility for finance, but giving the impression that the tough decisions council tax benefit, which will come with a 10% cut, so that local councils are having to make are not the that although it could end up raising money locally it Government’s responsibility, but the responsibility of might have to use that to subsidise council tax benefits? those very councils. Yesterday, for example, the council in Doncaster cut wages by 4%. The Government are Eric Ollerenshaw: From what I hear from my councils, saying, “Well, it’s your decision.” They are giving councils that is not the prospect that they are looking forward to. the baby and letting them decide how they slice it up. Lancaster council wants finally to build a third bridge, I take exception to what Government Members have for which Lancaster has been waiting years. Wyre district said about how local government is somehow not interested council has been waiting years to open a railway line to in regeneration. I spent 10 years on Newcastle city Fleetwood, where a railway line currently exists, and by council, serving my final years as chair of the economic 119 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 120

[Mr Kevan Jones] is in fact a way of ensuring that prosperous Conservative seats will benefit from the measures at the expense of development committee. It was a council that put a some of the poorest communities in Britain. hell of a lot of effort into regenerating both inner-city I want to turn now to the scandalous situation relating Newcastle and surrounding areas. Likewise, Durham, to the localisation of council tax benefit. This measure my current county council, is making a tremendous comes with a 10% reduction from day one, and it will effort, and has done for several years, to try to encourage disproportionately affect constituencies such as mine, business into County Durham, but it has been hamstrung. and more deprived areas with larger numbers of people Some of the things that the Government have done in receipt of that benefit. Listening to the Secretary of recently, such as abolishing the RDAs, have made State talking earlier, it sounded as though he thought it virtually impossible for the council to spend nearly that those people were the feckless poor. I must remind £140 million of European regional development fund him that a lot of low-paid workers, who are working money. It is sitting there, ready for development, but blooming hard every day of the week to keep a roof because of the constraints put on the council by this over their heads, rely on council tax benefit. Over a Government, no one can access the money. period of time, those people will get the impression that The point about the proposals on business rates is these decisions are nothing to do with the Secretary of that, yes, local government can have an impact on State, and that it is the local council that decides how regeneration; but it is a damn sight harder in County to divide the money up. This measure will have a Durham, even with the tremendous efforts of local disproportionate effect on those areas with a large business and the county council to secure inward investment, number of people in receipt of council tax relief. than it is in Canary Wharf or other prosperous parts of south-east England. We are not dealing with a level Mr Pickles: I am sure that the hon. Gentleman playing field from day one; indeed, local councils are suggested only inadvertently that I was talking about not even the only driver for getting inward investment. the feckless poor and the like. May I respectfully remind It is far easier for people to make investment decisions him that I was quoting the Leader of the Opposition down here—we only have to look at the investment and and the shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions? the number of cranes going up in the east end of It is with them that he should take up this matter, not London now, in a recession, in hard times. We can only me. Do not put words into my mouth; those were their dream of that kind of investment in parts of the north-east. words. Every single inward investment decision that has been taken for the north-east has been hard fought for. Mr Jones: I was not putting words into the right hon. The idea is that this small change will somehow make Gentleman’s mouth, but I have to say that he is continuing a real difference, but it will not. We will end up with a the mistaken idea that every person in receipt of council two-stage Britain, where this measure will be good news tax relief is unemployed and useless. They are not; they for local councils in the south-east of England—I accept are hard-working, low-paid families—[Interruption.] that certain parts of the south-east of England are depressed and deprived—because, frankly, they will not have to work very hard to get inward investment and an Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle): Order. Those increase in business rates, whereas that will not be the on the Government Front Bench need to come to order. case in more deprived areas. Over time, we will clearly I think that the Under-Secretary of State for Communities see a disparity, which will lead to a two-speed Britain, and Local Government, the hon. Member for Bromley with things made even harder by this Government, who and Chislehurst (Robert Neill) is getting carried away. have abolished things such as the RDA in north-east England. Mr Jones: The proposals are going to affect many low-paid families in my constituency and elsewhere in Steve Rotheram: Does my hon. Friend agree that all the north in particular. The idea is to encourage people this is the continuation of a policy, which was tried out into work, but this will act as a disincentive to people, in the ’80s by Thatcher and Howe, of managing the hard working though they might be. decline of northern cities, especially areas such as Liverpool? Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): Will the hon. Mr Jones: It is exactly. Let us look at what this Gentleman give way? Government and this Secretary of State have done on local government. I take my hat off to him, because he Mr Jones: Unfortunately I cannot, as I have very little is rewarding his friends and his councils in the Tory time left. heartlands. The idea is that we can somehow just write Let us not be conned by the Secretary of State’s off great cities such as Liverpool and Newcastle, or strategy. In the name of localism, he is pushing decisions other north-east cities, as if it does not matter. Do the down to local government, but cutting grants at the Government actually care? No, I do not think they do. same time. He will then try to say to local people, “It’s The Secretary of State said in response to my intervention nothing to do with me, guv. It’s your local council that is that Durham would gain under the new proposal. I doing this.” That strategy was used by the Conservatives would like to see the figures showing how Durham will in Canada in the 1990s, and it is clear that this Government gain, because the county council has seen from its own have learned from that play book and want to ensure figures—he is using 2011-12 as the baseline—that it will that local people do not blame them but instead blame lose out. This is being rushed, and it will become clear, their local council, which will have been hamstrung by over time, that it is not the radical approach to local the grant cuts. It is about time that people saw through government reorganisation that some people suggest. It this bluster from the Secretary of State. 121 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 122

9.12 pm benefit from disproportionate growth. I am quite interested to hear more detail about this. As I have said, Thurrock Jackie Doyle-Price (Thurrock) (Con): I would like to is already a substantial net contributor in respect of give an enthusiastic welcome to the provisions in the business rates. That contribution looks set to increase. Bill, unlike the previous speaker, the hon. Member for We have massive inward investments by Dubai Ports; North Durham (Mr Jones). It is surely right to expect the port of Tilbury is expanding after an already successful local authorities to support and nurture the business 125 years; and, of course, the Lakeside shopping centre interests of their localities. I believe strongly that the is building on its existing success. I am therefore interested provisions of the Bill will act as a powerful incentive to in how the Government intend to operate the levy when local authorities to consider what they can do to facilitate a local authority receives a disproportionate increase in business and economic growth. It is also clear that, if revenue, and in how to make sure that this is handled localism is to have any meaning, we must re-establish fairly. In particular, I remind Ministers that in supporting the link between local authorities and their local business business growth, there are consequences for the locality. communities. If we are to encourage local authorities to use tax It is my view that the Bill will also make local government increment financing and borrowing against their future finance fairer, and I would like to illustrate that point returns, they need to be clear about just how much they with reference to my own local authority. The hon. will get from the expansion. Member for North Durham might be interested to note In finalising the provisions for the levy, I hope that that my local authority is Labour-run, which might help Ministers will bear in mind the strong principle that to scotch the myth that it is only rich Tory boroughs local authorities must receive a significant stake in that will benefit from the measures. Thurrock is a net return for encouraging additional investment. Ultimately, contributor to the national pot, as we have a strong we need to make it easier for contributing authorities to non-domestic rate base. At present, Thurrock collects contribute even more to the Exchequer through business some £98 million, but retains only £52.2 million. growth and, as my right hon. Friend the Secretary of That is not to say that Thurrock is a rich locality, State said in his opening remarks, to make the pot of however. As a borough, it does not score highly on non-domestic rates even bigger. indices of affluence; indeed, we have a number of communities that score highly on indices of social 9.17 pm deprivation. The ward of West Thurrock and South Stifford has some communities that are in the lowest Alex Cunningham (Stockton North) (Lab): With about 10%, for example, yet it generates some £64.2 million in 186,000 people and two MPs, the Stockton borough is non-domestic rate income, which is more than is retained one of the smallest unitary authorities in the country. It by the whole borough of Thurrock. That ward is clearly is also one of the best—it was recently council of the making a significant net contribution to the Exchequer year, and for several years in a row, it has been in the top through all kinds of taxes. It is therefore fair and six authorities for its management of resources. appropriate that some of those companies’ business For all its small size and success in managing resources, rates should be retained for use in the local community, some 500 council jobs have gone since the coalition and I am pleased that the community will benefit from Government came to power. Still more will doubtless the growth in that area in the future. go as the attack on local government and the services it We should note, however, that there are consequences provides continue with this Bill. The lost jobs are adding for a local area that enjoys a vibrant business community. hugely to increasing unemployment in an area where In Thurrock, for example, high volumes of heavy goods the jobless rate is already much higher than at any time vehicle traffic and road congestion cause a nuisance for under the Thatcher and Major Governments when residents. If we expect local authorities to take a more areas such as Teesside and the wider north-east England balanced approach to leading and managing the interests economy were left on their knees. of the whole of their localities, they must have a stake in Now we have a grand statement from the Government: the economic success of that locality. Without it, there “Transparency, economic growth, flexibility, making is simply no incentive to think beyond short-term electoral communities masters of their own economic destinies”—all advantage. this is promised by the Local Government Finance Bill. I am quite clear that the current system does not These are fancy words that we know, and the Government encourage local authorities to take a balanced view. It must know, are an attempt simply to be upbeat in the actively encourages local authorities to ignore the needs face of a dire and failing economic policy that is in of the local business community. After all, they have no danger of driving our country back into recession. The votes. At best, local authorities take local business for jobs lost in my borough are reflected many times over granted. At worst, they view it as an inconvenience. I across the country, and the charging white horse of the have certainly received representations from the business reform of business rates will not matter a jot—well, not community in my constituency to the effect that the for the worst hit areas in the economy. The reverse will local authority does not understand their needs and is be the case. unsympathetic to them. Businesses may not have votes, What Government Members fail to acknowledge is but their needs are important if we are to build strong that local authorities cannot all be equally alluring to and successful communities and a successful economy. business—however hard they try.Business taxation revenue This Bill will encourage local authorities to be more varies hugely from place to place. In 2010-11, Westminster responsive to the business needs of their communities collected 33 times more than my neighbouring borough and, in so doing, they will promote growth and jobs—and of Middlesbrough. The changes will widen the gap who can argue with that? between authorities capable of promoting growth—mainly The Bill proposes that the Government should be in the south—and those where growth is slow or non- able to retain some of the funding where local authorities existent. 123 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 124

[Alex Cunningham] 9.22 pm Bob Blackman (Harrow East) (Con): I believe that Far from there being, to quote the exact words of the the first three years of the coalition Government will be Secretary of State, remembered for three things: constitutional reform, “no motivation for councils to support local firms or create new dealing with the economic mess bequeathed by the jobs”, Labour party, and localism. The Localism Act 2011 local authorities have embarked on economic development gave local authorities, and also local people, power to in their area for countless years on the basis that this determine what happens to them. However, we have a will attract jobs and so benefit their area. It is the right hideously fiendish system of local government finance thing for local authorities to do. to deal with the money that is spent on supplying services, and I am delighted that we are finally dealing I have been disgusted this evening by the denigration with that. of local authorities, their members and their officers. I am not a stranger to the proposal that business rates That the Secretary of State could make such an insulting should be retained by local authorities. I advanced it at statement shows how little he understands, despite his the 1994 Conservative party conference in Bournemouth. long service in local government, the way in which it Sadly I could not persuade the Conservative Government works. The idea that there could be some overnight of the day to implement it, but I am delighted that we entrepreneurial revolution is sheer fantasy. are taking the first steps towards ensuring that business I am particularly shocked that Ministers should believe rates raised locally are retained locally, because that is that the 10% cut in council tax benefit will somehow an ideal way of providing incentives for local decision- magically reduce the number of people who need it. In making. fact, it will be squeezed at precisely the point at which Of course, retaining business rates at local level will there is the most need for help among low-income require a complicated system, from which there will be households. Pensioners and vulnerable households may gainers and losers. Let me give two examples relating be protected from the cuts, but that means that the to a local authority of which I was a member for some whole of the 10% saving that local authorities must 24 years. When Wembley stadium was demolished and make will fall on the unprotected group that consists taken out of the business rate pool, £1 million a year mainly of the working poor. was effectively taken out of the income from business rates. That could have a disproportionate effect. Had Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): Will not the 10% the new system been operating at the time, the local reduction also mean more poverty and homelessness? authority would have lost the money for five years—some How will that affect the hon. Gentleman’s community? £5 million of income. Therefore, if an employer goes out of business there must be some means of compensating the local authority to address any fall in income. The Alex Cunningham: I have no doubt that communities provision encouraging local authorities to promote business such as mine, and perhaps the hon. Gentleman’s, will be in their communities is important. affected. I believe that we will see more poverty as There has also been an issue in the suburbs. The last people try to cope with much lower incomes. Labour Government encouraged—almost promoted— In many instances, the gains that the Government businesses closing down and sites being turned over to suggest will be made by the working poor as a result of housing. As a result, in the suburbs business rate income the £1,000 increase in the personal allowance for income has dropped, and it continues to fall. We must take tax will be wiped out by the reduction in council tax account of that as we encourage local authorities to benefit. The theoretical 10% reduction will equate to a promote business in their areas. loss of £1.7 million for the Stockton authority area, Local authorities have almost done away with promoting £1.2 million of it in my constituency. Given the exclusion economic development as a main means of operating. of pensioners from the change, those affected are likely The Bill will transform that. Local authorities will need to be hit by a 20% reduction, which will contribute to a to become business-friendly and promote business and further increase in poverty. The Government’s proposals jobs in their local areas. That is clearly the right way to merely transfer one of the national costs of rising proceed. unemployment to councils and local taxpayers, creating Local authority finance has changed greatly. Housing a serious risk that every resident will face further cuts in benefit comprises almost one third of the money going services that are already under threat. through most local authorities’ books. Rightly, that will I do not often find myself sharing many opinions be taken away. The administrative costs of housing with Government Members, but I simply could not benefit were outrageous. However, I have concerns about disagree with the Under-Secretary of State for Communities the implementation of the council tax benefit in such a and Local Government, the hon. Member for Bromley brief time scale and the local impact of that. Almost and Chislehurst (Robert Neill), when he said: everyone who is in receipt of housing benefit receives council tax benefit as well. Now that housing benefit “Those in greatest need ultimately bear the burden of paying will be administered through the Department for Work off the debt”.—[Official Report, 10 June 2010; Vol. 511, c. 450.] and Pensions, it makes sense for council tax benefit to As it is, the Bill tees up the poorest to bear the greatest be similarly administered. The situation currently proposed burden. It neuters local authorities other than those in is bizarre, to put it mildly. the most affluent areas, preventing their development, Turning to tax increment financing schemes, many and it will lead to further job losses throughout the local authorities have huge historical debts, which were country, with no consolation for the nation as a whole. incurred as a result of the development of housing 30 or I will oppose the Bill tonight. 40 years ago. Are we going to allow local authorities 125 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 126 with such huge historical debts to borrow against future Sheila Gilmore: It is people in work who will suffer in business rate income, and thereby incur yet further particular. Of course, this localising Government are debt, in order to build more housing or undertake other not prepared to leave even their own local authorities to projects within their local authority control? That would decide how the new council tax benefit should be distributed, add hugely to their debt and to the amount of interest because they want to insist that pensioners be protected. they are going to have to pay, and it will have a That is all very worthy, but protecting pensioners creates disproportionate effect on their total budgets. We must a greater burden on other people. There has even been look at this, and make sure things are administered the somewhat vague suggestion that some other vulnerable fairly and properly. groups will be protected. The definition is not quite This Bill is a welcome step, but the devil is in the clear, but if other people are to be protected—which detail and I look forward to debating that as we take it may not be a bad thing—the burden on those who are through its various stages to becoming an Act. in low-paid work will be increased even further. This is the direct opposite of what the Government 9.28 pm say they want to do in incentivising work, and I do not believe that making such a change will alter the way Sheila Gilmore (Edinburgh East) (Lab): I want to talk local authorities work. In fact, I do not think we need to about council tax benefit. The hon. Member for Harrow do that. This Government are very good at tilting at East (Bob Blackman) is one of the few Government windmills, and the windmills are creations in their own Members to have raised concerns. Another Government head. We have heard about one from various speakers Member who raised concerns served with me on the today, and it runs like a thread through the consultation: Welfare Reform Bill Committee, where we discussed the suggestion that local government is not interested in this issue extensively. He, too, expressed considerable creating jobs or encouraging development and industry. doubts about the council tax benefit proposal, especially I do not recognise that feature of local government. as another Government Department, the DWP, has a Indeed, during my 16 years as a councillor, we were project for universalising benefits under one umbrella— more often accused of favouring business over local which might not be as easy as it thinks. Why keep people at various times. We created a large office park council tax out of that? development in the city, which would not have happened That is a very good question. One of the main had the local authority not put together the land assembly reasons that the Government give for making such a and the infrastructure and encouraged that to happen. huge change in welfare law in this country is to incentivise That happened without having our local business rates work and to make sure there are not the kind of in our own hands. perverse incentives that they think arise as a result of I simply do not recognise this false stereotype. It things such as different tapers on different benefits. shows that a Government who say they believe in localism There are, indeed, different tapers at present for tax actually have a very poor attitude to local government benefits and housing benefit, but if we create a situation and those who serve it. This Bill will be unhelpful in a whereby everything apart from council tax goes into lot of ways, not least because it will make the working universal credit, we will immediately recreate an anomaly. relationship between Government and local government That will have a work disincentive unless it is very worse, not better. There is no respect in it for the very carefully worked out. We must question why two major hard work that local authorities are putting in. We Departments do not seem to be talking to each other should not be perpetuating such a factless myth when about that. we are trying to encourage localism. The 10% reduction is a substantial reduction in the It is not too late. One Government Member suggested money available to local authorities to provide assistance that it is somehow too late to deal with the council tax to people on low incomes who need help. It should not benefit, but even the Welfare Reform Bill has not yet simply be seen as something quite minor. I thought, passed into law. It is not too late for the Secretary of particularly having worked on the Welfare Reform Bill, State and his colleague in the DWP to get together and that this was primarily about saving money, but having find a better system. read a lot of the comments in the consultation about this Bill, I realise that it is part and parcel of the 9.34 pm Government’s view of local authorities: that they are James Morris (Halesowen and Rowley Regis) (Con): not trying hard enough to get people into work. The Britain has one of the most centralised systems of local Housing Minister said to the Select Committee on government finance in the developed world, which is Communities and Local Government that the 10% why I support this Bill in beginning the process of reduction would encourage local authorities to make removing that centrally controlled straitjacket. It is also sure that business parks got off the ground and that why I welcome the provisions for the relocalisation of people got into jobs—because of course, if people had the business rate as a significant step forward in achieving jobs they would not then need council tax benefit. the devolution of financial power. I have been a strong Actually, that is not true. advocate for relocalisation for a long time, in my capacity as chief executive of Localis, the local government Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish) (Lab): My think tank, because I believe that relocalisation of the hon. Friend is making a really interesting point about business rate will provide a significant incentive for the perverse incentives that the Bill will introduce. Does local authorities to drive business growth. It will also, as she accept that in fact, it will really clobber hard-working the Secretary of State said, significantly change the families who are struggling to make ends meet on culture, so that local government will no longer be low-paid work, and who rely on council tax relief to looking upwards to the centre for grant funding but will ensure that they can afford to work? In areas such as be looking for locally driven solutions to issues of mine, it is those low-paid jobs that people will give up. economic development. 127 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 128

[James Morris] that the retention of business rates could become an additional incentive to grant planning permissions for I recognise, as others have done, the important developments that are not necessarily in the most contribution that tax increment finance can also play in appropriate locations. I hope that that concern will be providing a new and innovative mechanism of funding addressed by a robust commitment to town centres first for local authorities, and I very much welcome the Bill’s in the final draft of the NPPF, as the Select Committee provisions on TIFs. Dudley metropolitan borough council, report suggested. one of the local authorities in my constituency, is already I welcome the Bill. It is consistent with the Government’s looking at projects that it might be able to convert into decentralisation and localism provisions, it is a step TIF-funded infrastructure development, which is critical. change away from the dependency culture we have had I welcome both those central provisions. up until now, and it pursues a strong localism agenda I also particularly welcome the opportunity for enterprise that will prioritise economic growth, which I will always zones to retain a proportion of the uplift in business support. growth and in business rates, because that is going to be a good way of incentivising and developing local enterprise 9.40 pm partnerships and offering them a long-term income Helen Jones (Warrington North) (Lab): This has stream. I very much welcome the Bill as a significant been an interesting debate, marked by a number of step forward and major milestone in the Government’s contributions from people with real expertise in local approach to localism. It is a very important first step in government finance and real concern—from those on moving towards a genuine devolution of financial power, the Opposition Benches—about what the Bill means for so I very much support the provisions and welcome the their communities. I do not have time to do justice to Bill strongly. them all, but my right hon. Friends the Members for Wentworth and Dearne (John Healey) and for Greenwich 9.37 pm and Woolwich (Mr Raynsford), both distinguished former Mark Pawsey (Rugby) (Con): I thank my hon. Friend Ministers, made some serious points, as did my hon. the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Friend the Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts), Morris), a fellow member of the Select Committee on the Chair of the Communities and Local Government Communities and Local Government, for keeping his Committee, supported by my hon. Friends the Members remarks so brief in order to enable me to make one or for Stalybridge and Hyde (Jonathan Reynolds), for two comments of my own. Plymouth, Moor View (Alison Seabeck), for Stoke-on-Trent Allowing local authorities to retain part of the business Central (Tristram Hunt), for Lewisham East (Heidi rate is a key part of the Bill and I wish to speak from the Alexander), for Sefton Central (Bill Esterson), for North perspective of a business owner, which is what I was for Durham (Mr Jones), and for Stockton North (Alex 25 years before arriving in this place. Business rates Cunningham). They were all united in their deep suspicion were a significant cost to my business, as they are to of the Government’s motives and they are right to be, every other business, being the third largest tax we paid. because as usual the Government began with grandiose They cost several thousand pounds a year, and they declarations about what they intended to do, but that increased as my business grew and moved to larger ended in failure. premises. As a business man, it came as a bit of a shock There has been a failure to look properly at local to me, before getting involved in politics, to realise that government finance as a whole, a failure to consider the business rate bill that I paid to my local authority need and a real failure to accept the Government’s own was not spent by my local authority in pursuit of role in promoting economic development. We have ended services in the area in which I was based, but went into a up with a deeply flawed Bill in which we are asked to central pool. It is entirely right that a proportion will in write a blank cheque for the Secretary of State. He will future be retained by the local authority, because promoting decide the tariffs and top-ups, he will decide the amount growth is a key role for local authorities. It is also very of the levy and he will decide who gets a safety net important to business owners, because that growth develops payment. He is rapidly becoming the Del Boy of local new customers and new clients for businesses and provides government finance, selling us all dodgy schemes while a better situation for staff. he sits there, rubbing his hands and saying, “You know I wish to discuss one issue not covered by the Bill, it makes sense.” We are not buying, and we are not which is vacant commercial rates. There was an opportunity buying because we know his record. We saw how in the to extend relief to businesses that own vacant premises. so-called Localism Act 2011 he gave himself 100 more The rating of those premises is causing hardship to the powers. We have seen him design a local government business community and it is making it difficult to finance settlement to centralise power and devolve the encourage business growth, because there is currently blame. That is exactly what the Government are up to no speculative building of business units and it has now, and it was clear from the moment of their consultation, encouraged the demolition of vacant older industrial when they said that buildings so that the tax can be avoided. I wish to “local authorities can be reluctant to allow commercial development distinguish that approach from the provision on empty and promote economic growth”. homes, because the housing market is distinctively different I ask the Government, as I have asked them before, to from the commercial property market. I welcome the name one such local authority. I know of no local empty homes premium, because we have 700,000 vacant authority—certainly no Labour local authority—that is homes and it is important that we provide an incentive not desperate to attract jobs and growth. It is not local to bring them into use. councils that have stalled the economy, but this Government, I wish to discuss a final point about the influence of who inherited an economy that was growing faster than planning permissions. We await the outcome of the the EU average and faster than that of the United national planning policy framework, but there is a risk States, and who destroyed it with a slash-and-burn 129 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 130 approach to public spending. Of course, the Secretary The scheme will ensure that the people who are hit of State is a true believer in that. He began in 2010 with hardest will be the working poor—the people who go in-year cuts to specific grants, which by their very out every week to earn their poverty—and this from the nature target the most deprived communities. He then Government who say they want to make work pay. designed a local Government finance settlement that we Another big thing that is missing from the Bill is any are asked to accept as the baseline for business rate assessment of need. This Government with a Cabinet redistribution and that is breathtaking in its unfairness. stuffed full of millionaires do not care about those who One need only look at the heat maps to see where the need local services. I know the Secretary of State is cuts fall: the north-east, Yorkshire, the north-west, parts going to tell me that he is not a millionaire, but he of inner London and parts of the midlands. As a result hardly represents the squeezed middle, does he? The of the Secretary of State’s settlement, by 2012-13 Liverpool Government have nothing to say about areas such as will have lost spending power of £235 per person, Liverpool, which has seen a 73% increase in special Hartlepool £183, Newcastle £144 and Wokingham—the guardianship orders since 2009, or Durham, where Government’s favourite council—just £1. That is what nearly 2.5 times as many people require home care as in we are asked to accept as the baseline—a baseline, Surrey. They have nothing to say about areas such as moreover, that includes the new homes bonus and the Halton, where 24% of the population have a limiting 2011-12 council tax freeze grant. That all gives advantages long-term illness. In future, those services cannot be to authorities with a high tax base over those with a low safeguarded if business rates fall because the Bill introduces tax base. The system starts from inequality and it will a postcode lottery in services and benefits. No longer go on to entrench it further. will a person’s entitlement depend on their situation; it There is nothing in the Bill about the infrastructure will depend on where they live. that many areas need to allow them to develop and It is for that reason that we oppose the Bill. It will there is nothing about the surplus capacity in many of increase the disparity between rich and poor; it will hit our cities. Liverpool has empty office space that is the poorest areas most; and it will in the end ensure, as already subject to rates, which could create 15,000 jobs my hon. Friend the Member for North Durham said, a if brought back into use, but hardly any extra income two-tier, two-speed economy in Britain. For that reason, for the local authority. An area such as Halton has I urge my hon. Friends to oppose the Bill in the Lobby 22.3% of its business property with an empty rating tonight. assessment. Again, that could create more jobs but hardly any extra income for the local authority. 9.49 pm The big black hole in the Government’s Bill is any recognition of their own responsibility to promote growth The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for and help weaker economies to grow. It is not surprising Communities and Local Government (Robert Neill): Some then that they have even failed to address where business 26 Members have spoken in the debate, and I too rates are a proper measure of economic growth at all. apologise if I cannot follow every one of the interventions Commercial and retail premises generate far more business in detail. I appreciated the contributions of my hon. rate than manufacturing and small businesses. Small Friends the Members for Crawley (Henry Smith), for business start-ups, internet businesses and sectors such Mid Dorset and North Poole (Annette Brooke), for as tourism are vital to our economy but generate little in North West Leicestershire (Andrew Bridgen), for Ipswich business rate. Nationally, we need those businesses. We (Ben Gummer), for Meon Valley (George Hollingbery), need the skills they bring, the innovation they develop for Milton Keynes South (Iain Stewart), for Nuneaton and the exports they gain. It is typical of the Government’s (Mr Jones), for Folkestone and Hythe (Damian Collins), muddled thinking that they claim to support manufacturing for Lancaster and Fleetwood (Eric Ollerenshaw), for and small businesses but then design a scheme with a Thurrock (Jackie Doyle-Price), for Harrow East (Bob built-in incentive for retail. No wonder the Secretary of Blackman), for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James State has been told by the leaders of local authorities in Morris) and for Rugby (Mark Pawsey), all of whom manufacturing areas that the Bill gives preference to spoke from experience in local government and also, retail over manufacturing. significantly and importantly, often from experience in The Bill also gives preference to the rich over the business too, because one of the Bill’s objectives is to poor. Under the scheme, the gap between rich and poor re-establish a proper link between local councils and the areas and between north and south will widen—even if businesses that they serve and the communities who top-ups and tariffs grow by the retail prices index. It will benefit from growth. widen even if all local authorities generate the same It has been in other respects, I confess, a classic curate’s increase in business rates and council tax, because another egg of a debate, with some thoughtful and considered thing that the Government have failed to consider is the speeches and some of quite breathtaking banality. When different tax base of local authorities, particularly the I listened, with every respect, to the hon. Member for different council tax base, which is not in the Bill at all. Warrington North (Helen Jones) talking about a golden They have nothing to say about areas such as the legacy left by the previous Government, I realised we north-east, where 56% of properties are in band A and had finally entered the realms of illusion. While I bring 86% are in bands A to C. They have nothing to say the hon. Lady back to reality—and talking of experience— about the difference between those areas and Surrey, for let me just tell her that this grandson of a London example, where 75% of properties are in band D or docker is not going to take any lectures on need from above. They have nothing to say about it because they the party of Tony Blair. do not want to address the problem of inequality. The reality is that the Bill is a necessary measure to The same is also true of the Government’s suggestion clear up the mess that the Labour party made of about the localisation of council tax benefit, which we Government finance in 13 years. Two of the Ministers will need to discuss in much more detail in Committee. responsible have done their very best to defend a local 131 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 132

[Robert Neill] meant that there was no longer direct payment of those moneys to local authorities. Our Bill makes that point, government finance system which they regard as so but also gives local authorities the ability to design wonderful that it should almost be a listed building, but those savings in a way that reflects their needs and their which has been described by dispassionate observers as priorities—which, as we all heard from the debate, vary incomprehensible, complex, unfair and unable to provide from locality to locality. The unwillingness of Opposition a proper means of distribution. Members to face that simple reality speaks volumes It was interesting to hear references to the Lyons about the shoddiness of their analysis. review, which the Labour Government sat on for three It is remarkable that, with one or two honourable years, doing nothing. Lyons said: exceptions, no attempt was made to pursue some of the “there are no coherent or systematic financial incentives that important measures which have been put in place to encourage growth either for” safeguard the underpinning of the business rate retention councils system. Not only will there be a baseline to ensure that “or, more importantly for their communities.” no local authority loses out at the start, but the system of tariffs and top-ups will be uprated according to the Labour did nothing; we are doing something. retail prices index so that the vast bulk of local authorities’ “The current English model of equalisation is recognised as income will be protected, and at the same time, local one of the most complex in the world” authorities that are incentivised to encourage growth said the Lyons review, which Labour set up and ignored will always see some benefit coming through. Similarly, when it did not give them the answers they wanted. We the hon. Lady referred to infrastructure, but she poured are doing something about it. scorn upon the introduction of tax increment financing, The university of Plymouth—the hon. Member for which is exactly the means of unlocking some of that Plymouth, Moor View (Alison Seabeck) spoke earlier—said: infrastructure—a model called for by all dispassionate “the four-block model is deeply flawed and generates an inequitable observers, and for many years by Members of all parties, allocation of this major source of local authority revenue.” and but consistently ignored by the Opposition. They The Labour Govt did nothing about that, although seem to be stuck in— they had the information; we are putting it right. Helen Jones rose— Secondly, it is shameful— Robert Neill: I have given way once and I shall not Mr Dave Watts (St Helens North) (Lab): Will the give way again. I am sure the hon. Lady will have plenty Minister give way? of opportunity to raise these matters when we debate the Bill in Committee on the Floor of the House. I find Robert Neill: There has been little time, and I intend it amazing that the shadow Secretary of State complained to make a few points, if I may. about that. It says it all that the first comment that the Secondly, and particularly regrettably, there was the shadow Secretary of State could make was a debating simplistic analysis and the misleading attempt in the point that it was objectionable that we should take such debate to create a false north-south divide—particularly business on the Floor of the House, where every Member disgraceful, it might be thought, when one has only to can participate, since every one of their local authorities look at the facts and observe that over the last five-year is affected by the proposal. That suggests that the revaluation period, when the average business rate growth Opposition had very few other arguments to deploy. It in England was 5%, the following authorities had business is a little like the consistent trotting out of the inaccuracy rate growth above the average, and therefore would have in the growth figures across the UK. When we are benefited more than average had our proposed system reduced to a sort of political re-run of “Z Cars”, we been in place: Doncaster, Durham, Greenwich, Hull, know we have won the argument because the Opposition Liverpool, Manchester, North Tyneside, South Tyneside, have nothing else to put into the equation. Sunderland, Sefton, Stockton, Middlesbrough— The reality is that for the first time the Government [Interruption.] No, I am not prepared to take any have taken steps to redress the balance in a system that lectures from Labour Members when they cannot get is recognised across the world as not working. There is the facts right. I will give way once, briefly. not an adequate linkage with local authorities. I believe there are local authorities of all parties that want to do Helen Jones: Would the hon. Gentleman like to tell us the best by their community, but they lack the tools and how much was invested in those regions by the Labour the mechanisms to create that by encouraging growth in Government to promote that growth—investment which their areas. We are replacing a flawed system with one has now been cut under his Government? which gives them the scope for growth. I had hoped that Members in all parts of the House would applaud that. Robert Neill: That confirms my view that there is an However, we get a degree of churlishness and carping, illusion that the racking up of debt is somehow beneficial indicating that because the Opposition did not come up to this economy, and that is the reason why, I am afraid, with the plan, they regard it as unworkable. in one aspect of the Bill, it is necessary for us to deal We will talk through the details of the Bill as we with the required deficit reduction in relation to council examine it in Committee, but it is worth noting that tax benefit—precisely because the only way in which we very many of the independent responses to the consultation will get sustainable long-term growth in any parts of favoured this reform. It is worth bearing in mind the this country is by reducing the deficit that we inherited. fact that in 2008-09 the Communities and Local In tackling that important issue, the Bill seeks to Government Committee said that relocalisation would meet the concerns of local government that the reform give local government an additional tool to purse local of the benefits system into universal benefit might have recession-proofing policies, and it is worth recognising 133 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 134 that the new local government network, not normally George, Andrew Lidington, rh Mr David associated with the coalition side of the House, said Gibb, Mr Nick Lilley, rh Mr Peter that it recognised the potential that the growth incentive Gilbert, Stephen Lloyd, Stephen presents to create new private sector jobs and prosperity. Glen, John Lopresti, Jack Goldsmith, Zac Lord, Jonathan Hon. Members ought to wake up to reality and Goodwill, Mr Robert Loughton, Tim recognise that what is being put forward is an important Gove, rh Michael Luff, Peter and valuable reform. I hoped that rather than voting Graham, Richard Lumley, Karen against it, they would have endorsed it and worked with Grant, Mrs Helen Macleod, Mary us to make sure that we have a lasting system of finance Gray, Mr James Main, Mrs Anne for the future. Green, Damian Maude, rh Mr Francis Question put, That the Bill be now read a Second Grieve, rh Mr Dominic May, rh Mrs Theresa time. Griffiths, Andrew Maynard, Paul Gummer, Ben McCartney, Jason The House divided: Ayes 332, Noes 232. Gyimah, Mr Sam McCartney, Karl Division No. 414] [9.59 pm Hague, rh Mr William McCrea, Dr William Halfon, Robert McIntosh, Miss Anne Hames, Duncan McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick AYES Hammond, Stephen McPartland, Stephen Adams, Nigel Cash, Mr William Hancock, Matthew Mensch, Louise Afriyie, Adam Chishti, Rehman Hands, Greg Menzies, Mark Aldous, Peter Chope, Mr Christopher Harper, Mr Mark Mercer, Patrick Amess, Mr David Clappison, Mr James Harrington, Richard Metcalfe, Stephen Andrew, Stuart Clark, rh Greg Harris, Rebecca Miller, Maria Arbuthnot, rh Mr James Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth Hart, Simon Mills, Nigel Bacon, Mr Richard Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Harvey, Nick Milton, Anne Baker, Steve Coffey, Dr Thérèse Hayes, Mr John Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew Baldry, Tony Collins, Damian Heald, Oliver Mordaunt, Penny Baldwin, Harriett Colvile, Oliver Heath, Mr David Morgan, Nicky Barker, Gregory Crockart, Mike Heaton-Harris, Chris Morris, Anne Marie Barwell, Gavin Crouch, Tracey Hemming, John Morris, David Bebb, Guto Davey, Mr Edward Henderson, Gordon Morris, James Beith, rh Sir Alan Davies, David T. C. Hendry, Charles Mosley, Stephen Bellingham, Mr Henry (Monmouth) Herbert, rh Nick Mowat, David Benyon, Richard Davies, Glyn Hinds, Damian Mulholland, Greg Beresford, Sir Paul Davies, Philip Hoban, Mr Mark Mundell, rh David Berry, Jake Davis, rh Mr David Hollingbery, George Munt, Tessa Binley, Mr Brian de Bois, Nick Hollobone, Mr Philip Murray, Sheryll Birtwistle, Gordon Dinenage, Caroline Hopkins, Kris Murrison, Dr Andrew Blackman, Bob Dodds, rh Mr Nigel Horwood, Martin Neill, Robert Blackwood, Nicola Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M. Howell, John Newmark, Mr Brooks Blunt, Mr Crispin Dorrell, rh Mr Stephen Hughes, rh Simon Newton, Sarah Boles, Nick Dorries, Nadine Huhne, rh Chris Nokes, Caroline Bone, Mr Peter Doyle-Price, Jackie Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy Norman, Jesse Bottomley, Sir Peter Drax, Richard Hunter, Mark Nuttall, Mr David Bradley, Karen Duddridge, James Huppert, Dr Julian O’Brien, Mr Stephen Brady, Mr Graham Duncan, rh Mr Alan Hurd, Mr Nick Offord, Mr Matthew Brake, rh Tom Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain Jackson, Mr Stewart Ollerenshaw, Eric Bray, Angie Dunne, Mr Philip James, Margot Opperman, Guy Brazier, Mr Julian Ellis, Michael Javid, Sajid Ottaway, Richard Bridgen, Andrew Ellison, Jane Jenkin, Mr Bernard Parish, Neil Brine, Steve Elphicke, Charlie Johnson, Gareth Patel, Priti Brokenshire, James Eustice, George Johnson, Joseph Paterson, rh Mr Owen Brooke, Annette Evans, Graham Jones, Andrew Pawsey, Mark Browne, Mr Jeremy Evans, Jonathan Jones, Mr David Penning, Mike Bruce, Fiona Evennett, Mr David Jones, Mr Marcus Penrose, John Bruce, rh Malcolm Fabricant, Michael Kawczynski, Daniel Percy, Andrew Buckland, Mr Robert Fallon, Michael Kelly, Chris Phillips, Stephen Burley, Mr Aidan Farron, Tim Kirby, Simon Pickles, rh Mr Eric Burns, Conor Featherstone, Lynne Knight, rh Mr Greg Pincher, Christopher Burns, rh Mr Simon Field, Mark Kwarteng, Kwasi Poulter, Dr Daniel Burrowes, Mr David Foster, rh Mr Don Lancaster, Mark Prisk, Mr Mark Burstow, Paul Fox,rhDrLiam Lansley, rh Mr Andrew Pugh, John Burt, Lorely Francois, rh Mr Mark Latham, Pauline Raab, Mr Dominic Byles, Dan Freeman, George Laws, rh Mr David Randall, rh Mr John Cable, rh Vince Freer, Mike Lee, Jessica Reckless, Mark Cairns, Alun Fullbrook, Lorraine Lee, Dr Phillip Redwood, rh Mr John Campbell, Mr Gregory Fuller, Richard Lefroy, Jeremy Rees-Mogg, Jacob Campbell, rh Sir Menzies Gale, Sir Roger Leigh, Mr Edward Reid, Mr Alan Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair Garnier, Mr Edward Letwin, rh Mr Oliver Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm Carmichael, Neil Garnier, Mark Lewis, Brandon Robathan, rh Mr Andrew Carswell, Mr Douglas Gauke, Mr David Lewis, Dr Julian Robertson, Hugh 135 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 136

Robertson, Mr Laurence Teather, Sarah Cunningham, Alex Jones, Mr Kevan Rogerson, Dan Thurso, John Cunningham, Mr Jim Jones, Susan Elan Rosindell, Andrew Timpson, Mr Edward Cunningham, Tony Jowell, rh Tessa Rudd, Amber Tomlinson, Justin Curran, Margaret Joyce, Eric Ruffley, Mr David Tredinnick, David Dakin, Nic Kendall, Liz Russell, Sir Bob Truss, Elizabeth Danczuk, Simon Khan, rh Sadiq Rutley, David Turner, Mr Andrew Darling, rh Mr Alistair Lammy, rh Mr David Sanders, Mr Adrian Tyrie, Mr Andrew David, Mr Wayne Lavery, Ian Sandys, Laura Uppal, Paul Davies, Geraint Lazarowicz, Mark Scott, Mr Lee Vaizey, Mr Edward Denham, rh Mr John Leslie, Chris Selous, Andrew Vara, Mr Shailesh Dobbin, Jim Lloyd, Tony Shannon, Jim Vickers, Martin Dobson, rh Frank Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn Shapps, rh Grant Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa Docherty, Thomas Long, Naomi Sharma, Alok Walker, Mr Charles Donohoe, Mr Brian H. Love, Mr Andrew Shelbrooke, Alec Walker, Mr Robin Doran, Mr Frank Lucas, Caroline Shepherd, Mr Richard Wallace, Mr Ben Dowd, Jim Lucas, Ian Doyle, Gemma MacShane, rh Mr Denis Simmonds, Mark Walter, Mr Robert Simpson, David Dugher, Michael Mactaggart, Fiona Ward, Mr David Simpson, Mr Keith Eagle, Ms Angela Mahmood, Shabana Watkinson, Angela Skidmore, Chris Eagle, Maria Malhotra, Seema Weatherley, Mike Smith, Miss Chloe Edwards, Jonathan Mann, John Webb, Steve Smith, Henry Efford, Clive Marsden, Mr Gordon Smith, Julian Wharton, James Elliott, Julie McCabe, Steve Smith, Sir Robert Wheeler, Heather Ellman, Mrs Louise McCarthy, Kerry Soames, rh Nicholas White, Chris Esterson, Bill McClymont, Gregg Soubry, Anna Whittaker, Craig Evans, Chris McDonagh, Siobhain Spencer, Mr Mark Wiggin, Bill Farrelly, Paul McDonnell, John Stanley, rh Sir John Willetts, rh Mr David Field, rh Mr Frank McFadden, rh Mr Pat Stephenson, Andrew Williams, Mr Mark Fitzpatrick, Jim McGovern, Jim Stevenson, John Williams, Roger Flello, Robert McGuire, rh Mrs Anne Stewart, Bob Williams, Stephen Flint, rh Caroline McKechin, Ann Stewart, Iain Williamson, Gavin Flynn, Paul McKenzie, Mr Iain Stewart, Rory Willott, Jenny Francis, Dr Hywel McKinnell, Catherine Streeter, Mr Gary Wilson, Mr Rob Gapes, Mike Meacher, rh Mr Michael Stride, Mel Wollaston, Dr Sarah Gardiner, Barry Meale, Sir Alan Stuart, Mr Graham Wright, Jeremy Gilmore, Sheila Mearns, Ian Stunell, Andrew Wright, Simon Glass, Pat Michael, rh Alun Glindon, Mrs Mary Miller, Andrew Sturdy, Julian Yeo, Mr Tim Swales, Ian Godsiff, Mr Roger Mitchell, Austin Young, rh Sir George Swayne, rh Mr Desmond Goggins, rh Paul Moon, Mrs Madeleine Zahawi, Nadhim Swinson, Jo Goodman, Helen Morden, Jessica Swire, rh Mr Hugo Tellers for the Ayes: Greatrex, Tom Morrice, Graeme (Livingston) Syms, Mr Robert Stephen Crabb and Green, Kate Morris, Grahame M. Tapsell, rh Sir Peter Norman Lamb Greenwood, Lilian (Easington) Griffith, Nia Munn, Meg NOES Gwynne, Andrew Murphy, rh Mr Jim Hain, rh Mr Peter Murphy, rh Paul Abbott, Ms Diane Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben Hamilton, Mr David Murray, Ian Abrahams, Debbie Brennan, Kevin Hamilton, Fabian Nandy, Lisa Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob Brown, rh Mr Nicholas Hancock, Mr Mike Nash, Pamela Alexander, rh Mr Douglas Brown, Mr Russell Hanson, rh Mr David O’Donnell, Fiona Alexander, Heidi Bryant, Chris Harris, Mr Tom Onwurah, Chi Ali, Rushanara Buck, Ms Karen Havard, Mr Dai Osborne, Sandra Allen, Mr Graham Burden, Richard Healey, rh John Owen, Albert Anderson, Mr David Burnham, rh Andy Hendrick, Mark Pearce, Teresa Austin, Ian Byrne, rh Mr Liam Hepburn, Mr Stephen Perkins, Toby Bailey, Mr Adrian Campbell, Mr Alan Heyes, David Pound, Stephen Bain, Mr William Campbell, Mr Ronnie Hillier, Meg Qureshi, Yasmin Banks, Gordon Caton, Martin Hilling, Julie Raynsford, rh Mr Nick Bayley, Hugh Chapman, Mrs Jenny Hodgson, Mrs Sharon Reed, Mr Jamie Beckett, rh Margaret Clark, Katy Hoey, Kate Reeves, Rachel Begg, Dame Anne Clarke, rh Mr Tom Hood, Mr Jim Reynolds, Emma Bell, Sir Stuart Clwyd, rh Ann Hopkins, Kelvin Reynolds, Jonathan Benn, rh Hilary Coaker, Vernon Howarth, rh Mr George Riordan, Mrs Linda Benton, Mr Joe Connarty, Michael Hunt, Tristram Robertson, John Berger, Luciana Cooper, Rosie Irranca-Davies, Huw Robinson, Mr Geoffrey Betts, Mr Clive Corbyn, Jeremy Jackson, Glenda Rotheram, Steve Blackman-Woods, Roberta Crausby, Mr David James, Mrs Siân C. Roy, Mr Frank Blears, rh Hazel Creagh, Mary Jamieson, Cathy Roy, Lindsay Blenkinsop, Tom Creasy, Stella Jarvis, Dan Ruane, Chris Blomfield, Paul Cruddas, Jon Johnson, rh Alan Ruddock, rh Dame Joan Blunkett, rh Mr David Cryer, John Jones, Helen Sarwar, Anas 137 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 138

Seabeck, Alison Turner, Karl 6. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously Sharma, Mr Virendra Twigg, Derek concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption Sheerman, Mr Barry Twigg, Stephen on the day on which those proceedings are commenced. Sheridan, Jim Umunna, Mr Chuka Programming committees Shuker, Gavin Vaz, rh Keith 7. Standing Order No. 83B (Programming committees) shall Skinner, Mr Dennis Vaz, Valerie not apply to the proceedings on the Bill in Committee of the Slaughter, Mr Andy Watts, Mr Dave whole House, to any proceedings on Consideration or to proceedings Smith, rh Mr Andrew Whitehead, Dr Alan on Third Reading. Smith, Angela Wicks, rh Malcolm Other proceedings Smith, Nick Williams, Hywel Smith, Owen Williamson, Chris 8. Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings Spellar, rh Mr John Wilson, Phil on consideration of Lords Amendments or on any further messages Straw, rh Mr Jack Winnick, Mr David from the Lords) may be programmed.—(Jeremy Wright.) Stringer, Graham Winterton, rh Ms Rosie The House divided: Ayes 321, Noes 234. Stuart, Ms Gisela Woodcock, John Division No. 415] [10.15 pm Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry Woodward, rh Mr Shaun Tami, Mark Wright, David AYES Thomas, Mr Gareth Wright, Mr Iain Thornberry, Emily Tellers for the Noes: Adams, Nigel Clappison, Mr James Timms, rh Stephen Yvonne Fovargue and Afriyie, Adam Clark, rh Greg Trickett, Jon Jonathan Ashworth Aldous, Peter Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth Amess, Mr David Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Andrew, Stuart Coffey, Dr Thérèse Question accordingly agreed to. Arbuthnot, rh Mr James Collins, Damian Bill read a Second time. Bacon, Mr Richard Colvile, Oliver Baker, Steve Crabb, Stephen Baldry, Tony Crockart, Mike Baldwin, Harriett Crouch, Tracey Barker, Gregory Davey, Mr Edward LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL Barwell, Gavin Davies, David T. C. (PROGRAMME) Bebb, Guto (Monmouth) Motion made, and Question put forthwith, (Standing Beith, rh Sir Alan Davies, Glyn Order No. 83A(7)), Bellingham, Mr Henry Davies, Philip That the following provisions shall apply to the Local Government Benyon, Richard Davis, rh Mr David Finance Bill: Beresford, Sir Paul de Bois, Nick Berry, Jake Dinenage, Caroline Committal Binley, Mr Brian Dorries, Nadine 1. The Bill shall be committed to a Committee of the whole Birtwistle, Gordon Doyle-Price, Jackie House. Blackman, Bob Drax, Richard Proceedings in Committee Blackwood, Nicola Duncan, rh Mr Alan Blunt, Mr Crispin Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain 2. Proceedings in Committee of the whole House shall be completed in three days. Boles, Nick Dunne, Mr Philip Bone, Mr Peter Ellis, Michael 3. The proceedings shall be taken in the order shown in the first Bottomley, Sir Peter Ellison, Jane column of the following Table. Bradley, Karen Elphicke, Charlie 4. The proceedings shall (so far as not previously concluded) Brady, Mr Graham Eustice, George be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second Brake, rh Tom Evans, Graham column of the Table. Bray, Angie Evans, Jonathan Table Brazier, Mr Julian Evennett, Mr David Bridgen, Andrew Fabricant, Michael Time for conclusion of Proceedings proceedings Brine, Steve Fallon, Michael Brokenshire, James Farron, Tim Clause 1, Schedule 1, Clause The moment of interruption Brooke, Annette Featherstone, Lynne 2, Schedule 2, Clauses 3 to 5, on the second day. Browne, Mr Jeremy Field, Mark Schedule 3, Clauses 6and 7, Bruce, Fiona Foster, rh Mr Don new Clauses relating to Bruce, rh Malcolm Fox,rhDrLiam nondomestic rates, new Buckland, Mr Robert Francois, rh Mr Mark Schedules relating to non- Burley, Mr Aidan Freeman, George domestic rates. Burns, Conor Freer, Mike Clause 8, Schedule 4, The moment of interruption Burns, rh Mr Simon Fullbrook, Lorraine Clauses 9 to 16, new Clauses on the third day. Burrowes, Mr David Fuller, Richard relating to council tax, new Burstow, Paul Gale, Sir Roger Schedules relating to council Burt, Lorely Garnier, Mr Edward tax, remaining new Clauses, Byles, Dan Garnier, Mark remaining new Schedules, remaining proceedings in Cable, rh Vince Gauke, Mr David Committee. Cairns, Alun George, Andrew Campbell, rh Sir Menzies Gibb, Mr Nick Consideration and Third Reading Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair Gilbert, Stephen 5. Any proceedings on Consideration shall (so far as not Carmichael, Neil Glen, John previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before Carswell, Mr Douglas Goldsmith, Zac the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings Chishti, Rehman Goodwill, Mr Robert are commenced. Chope, Mr Christopher Gove, rh Michael 139 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 140

Graham, Richard Lumley, Karen Sandys, Laura Turner, Mr Andrew Grant, Mrs Helen Macleod, Mary Scott, Mr Lee Tyrie, Mr Andrew Gray, Mr James Main, Mrs Anne Selous, Andrew Uppal, Paul Green, Damian Maude, rh Mr Francis Shapps, rh Grant Vaizey, Mr Edward Grieve, rh Mr Dominic May, rh Mrs Theresa Sharma, Alok Vara, Mr Shailesh Griffiths, Andrew Maynard, Paul Shelbrooke, Alec Vickers, Martin Gummer, Ben McCartney, Jason Simmonds, Mark Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa Gyimah, Mr Sam McCartney, Karl Simpson, Mr Keith Walker, Mr Charles Hague, rh Mr William McIntosh, Miss Anne Skidmore, Chris Walker, Mr Robin Halfon, Robert McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick Smith, Miss Chloe Wallace, Mr Ben Hames, Duncan McPartland, Stephen Smith, Henry Walter, Mr Robert Hammond, Stephen Mensch, Louise Smith, Julian Ward, Mr David Hancock, Matthew Menzies, Mark Smith, Sir Robert Watkinson, Angela Hancock, Mr Mike Mercer, Patrick Soubry, Anna Weatherley, Mike Hands, Greg Metcalfe, Stephen Spencer, Mr Mark Webb, Steve Harper, Mr Mark Miller, Maria Stephenson, Andrew Wharton, James Harrington, Richard Mills, Nigel Stevenson, John Wheeler, Heather Harris, Rebecca Milton, Anne Stewart, Bob White, Chris Hart, Simon Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew Stewart, Iain Whittaker, Craig Hayes, Mr John Mordaunt, Penny Stewart, Rory Wiggin, Bill Heald, Oliver Morgan, Nicky Streeter, Mr Gary Willetts, rh Mr David Heath, Mr David Morris, Anne Marie Stride, Mel Williams, Mr Mark Heaton-Harris, Chris Morris, David Stuart, Mr Graham Williams, Roger Hemming, John Morris, James Stunell, Andrew Williams, Stephen Henderson, Gordon Mosley, Stephen Sturdy, Julian Williamson, Gavin Hendry, Charles Mowat, David Swales, Ian Willott, Jenny Herbert, rh Nick Mulholland, Greg Swayne, rh Mr Desmond Wilson, Mr Rob Hinds, Damian Mundell, rh David Swinson, Jo Wollaston, Dr Sarah Hoban, Mr Mark Munt, Tessa Swire, rh Mr Hugo Wright, Jeremy Hollingbery, George Murray, Sheryll Syms, Mr Robert Wright, Simon Hollobone, Mr Philip Murrison, Dr Andrew Tapsell, rh Sir Peter Yeo, Mr Tim Hopkins, Kris Neill, Robert Teather, Sarah Young, rh Sir George Horwood, Martin Newmark, Mr Brooks Thurso, John Zahawi, Nadhim Howell, John Newton, Sarah Timpson, Mr Edward Hughes, rh Simon Nokes, Caroline Tomlinson, Justin Tellers for the Ayes: Huhne, rh Chris Norman, Jesse Tredinnick, David James Duddridge and Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy Nuttall, Mr David Truss, Elizabeth Norman Lamb Hunter, Mark O’Brien, Mr Stephen Huppert, Dr Julian Offord, Mr Matthew NOES Hurd, Mr Nick Ollerenshaw, Eric Jackson, Mr Stewart Opperman, Guy Abbott, Ms Diane Burnham, rh Andy James, Margot Ottaway, Richard Abrahams, Debbie Byrne, rh Mr Liam Javid, Sajid Parish, Neil Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob Campbell, Mr Alan Jenkin, Mr Bernard Patel, Priti Alexander, rh Mr Douglas Campbell, Mr Gregory Johnson, Gareth Paterson, rh Mr Owen Alexander, Heidi Campbell, Mr Ronnie Johnson, Joseph Pawsey, Mark Ali, Rushanara Caton, Martin Jones, Andrew Penning, Mike Allen, Mr Graham Chapman, Mrs Jenny Jones, Mr David Penrose, John Anderson, Mr David Clark, Katy Jones, Mr Marcus Percy, Andrew Austin, Ian Clarke, rh Mr Tom Kawczynski, Daniel Phillips, Stephen Bailey, Mr Adrian Clwyd, rh Ann Kelly, Chris Pickles, rh Mr Eric Bain, Mr William Coaker, Vernon Kirby, Simon Pincher, Christopher Banks, Gordon Connarty, Michael Knight, rh Mr Greg Poulter, Dr Daniel Bayley, Hugh Cooper, Rosie Kwarteng, Kwasi Prisk, Mr Mark Beckett, rh Margaret Corbyn, Jeremy Lancaster, Mark Pugh, John Begg, Dame Anne Crausby, Mr David Lansley, rh Mr Andrew Raab, Mr Dominic Bell, Sir Stuart Creagh, Mary Latham, Pauline Randall, rh Mr John Benn, rh Hilary Creasy, Stella Laws, rh Mr David Reckless, Mark Benton, Mr Joe Cruddas, Jon Lee, Jessica Redwood, rh Mr John Berger, Luciana Cryer, John Lee, Dr Phillip Rees-Mogg, Jacob Betts, Mr Clive Cunningham, Alex Lefroy, Jeremy Reid, Mr Alan Blackman-Woods, Roberta Cunningham, Mr Jim Leigh, Mr Edward Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm Blears, rh Hazel Cunningham, Tony Letwin, rh Mr Oliver Robathan, rh Mr Andrew Blenkinsop, Tom Curran, Margaret Lewis, Brandon Robertson, Hugh Blomfield, Paul Dakin, Nic Lewis, Dr Julian Robertson, Mr Laurence Blunkett, rh Mr David Danczuk, Simon Lidington, rh Mr David Rogerson, Dan Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben Darling, rh Mr Alistair Lilley, rh Mr Peter Rosindell, Andrew Brennan, Kevin David, Mr Wayne Lloyd, Stephen Rudd, Amber Brown, rh Mr Nicholas Davies, Geraint Lopresti, Jack Ruffley, Mr David Brown, Mr Russell Denham, rh Mr John Lord, Jonathan Russell, Sir Bob Bryant, Chris Dobbin, Jim Loughton, Tim Rutley, David Buck, Ms Karen Dobson, rh Frank Luff, Peter Sanders, Mr Adrian Burden, Richard Docherty, Thomas 141 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 142

Dodds, rh Mr Nigel Long, Naomi Straw, rh Mr Jack Watts, Mr Dave Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M. Love, Mr Andrew Stringer, Graham Whitehead, Dr Alan Donohoe, Mr Brian H. Lucas, Caroline Stuart, Ms Gisela Wicks, rh Malcolm Doran, Mr Frank Lucas, Ian Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry Williams, Hywel Dowd, Jim Mactaggart, Fiona Tami, Mark Williamson, Chris Doyle, Gemma Mahmood, Shabana Thomas, Mr Gareth Wilson, Phil Dugher, Michael Malhotra, Seema Thornberry, Emily Winnick, Mr David Eagle, Ms Angela Mann, John Timms, rh Stephen Winterton, rh Ms Rosie Eagle, Maria Marsden, Mr Gordon Trickett, Jon Woodcock, John Edwards, Jonathan McCabe, Steve Turner, Karl Woodward, rh Mr Shaun Efford, Clive McCarthy, Kerry Twigg, Derek Wright, David Elliott, Julie McClymont, Gregg Twigg, Stephen Wright, Mr Iain Ellman, Mrs Louise McCrea, Dr William Umunna, Mr Chuka Tellers for the Noes: Esterson, Bill McDonagh, Siobhain Vaz, rh Keith Yvonne Fovargue and Evans, Chris McDonnell, John Vaz, Valerie Jonathan Ashworth Farrelly, Paul McFadden, rh Mr Pat Field, rh Mr Frank McGovern, Jim Fitzpatrick, Jim McGuire, rh Mrs Anne Question accordingly agreed to. Flello, Robert McKechin, Ann Flint, rh Caroline McKenzie, Mr Iain LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL Flynn, Paul McKinnell, Catherine Francis, Dr Hywel Meacher, rh Mr Michael (MONEY) Gapes, Mike Meale, Sir Alan Queen’s recommendation signified. Gardiner, Barry Mearns, Ian Motion made, and Question put forthwith (Standing Gilmore, Sheila Michael, rh Alun Order No. 52(1)(a)), Glass, Pat Miller, Andrew Glindon, Mrs Mary Mitchell, Austin That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Local Godsiff, Mr Roger Moon, Mrs Madeleine Government Finance Bill, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of— Goggins, rh Paul Morden, Jessica Goodman, Helen Morrice, Graeme (Livingston) (a) any expenditure incurred by the Secretary of State in Greatrex, Tom Morris, Grahame M. consequence of the Act, and Green, Kate (Easington) (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable Greenwood, Lilian Munn, Meg under any other Act out of money so provided.— Griffith, Nia Murphy, rh Mr Jim (Jeremy Wright.) Gwynne, Andrew Murphy, rh Paul The House divided: Ayes 314, Noes 189. Hain, rh Mr Peter Murray, Ian Hamilton, Mr David Nandy, Lisa Division No. 416] [10.29 pm Hamilton, Fabian Nash, Pamela Hanson, rh Mr David O’Donnell, Fiona AYES Harris, Mr Tom Onwurah, Chi Adams, Nigel Brokenshire, James Havard, Mr Dai Osborne, Sandra Afriyie, Adam Brooke, Annette Healey, rh John Owen, Albert Aldous, Peter Browne, Mr Jeremy Hendrick, Mark Pearce, Teresa Amess, Mr David Bruce, Fiona Hepburn, Mr Stephen Perkins, Toby Andrew, Stuart Bruce, rh Malcolm Heyes, David Pound, Stephen Arbuthnot, rh Mr James Buckland, Mr Robert Hillier, Meg Qureshi, Yasmin Bacon, Mr Richard Burley, Mr Aidan Hilling, Julie Raynsford, rh Mr Nick Baker, Steve Burns, Conor Hodgson, Mrs Sharon Reed, Mr Jamie Baldry, Tony Burns, rh Mr Simon Hoey, Kate Reynolds, Emma Baldwin, Harriett Burrowes, Mr David Hood, Mr Jim Reynolds, Jonathan Barker, Gregory Burstow, Paul Hopkins, Kelvin Riordan, Mrs Linda Barwell, Gavin Burt, Lorely Howarth, rh Mr George Robertson, John Bebb, Guto Byles, Dan Hunt, Tristram Robinson, Mr Geoffrey Beith, rh Sir Alan Irranca-Davies, Huw Rotheram, Steve Bellingham, Mr Henry Cable, rh Vince Jackson, Glenda Roy, Mr Frank Benyon, Richard Cairns, Alun James, Mrs Siân C. Roy, Lindsay Beresford, Sir Paul Campbell, Mr Gregory Jamieson, Cathy Ruane, Chris Berry, Jake Campbell, rh Sir Menzies Jarvis, Dan Ruddock, rh Dame Joan Binley, Mr Brian Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair Johnson, rh Alan Seabeck, Alison Birtwistle, Gordon Carmichael, Neil Jones, Helen Shannon, Jim Blackman, Bob Carswell, Mr Douglas Jones, Mr Kevan Sharma, Mr Virendra Blackwood, Nicola Chishti, Rehman Jones, Susan Elan Sheerman, Mr Barry Blunt, Mr Crispin Chope, Mr Christopher Jowell, rh Tessa Sheridan, Jim Boles, Nick Clappison, Mr James Joyce, Eric Shuker, Gavin Bone, Mr Peter Clark, rh Greg Kendall, Liz Simpson, David Bottomley, Sir Peter Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Khan, rh Sadiq Skinner, Mr Dennis Bradley, Karen Coffey, Dr Thérèse Lammy, rh Mr David Slaughter, Mr Andy Brady, Mr Graham Collins, Damian Lavery, Ian Smith, rh Mr Andrew Brake, rh Tom Colvile, Oliver Lazarowicz, Mark Smith, Angela Bray, Angie Crabb, Stephen Leslie, Chris Smith, Nick Brazier, Mr Julian Crockart, Mike Lloyd, Tony Smith, Owen Bridgen, Andrew Crouch, Tracey Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn Spellar, rh Mr John Brine, Steve Davey, Mr Edward 143 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 144

Davies, David T. C. Hollingbery, George Neill, Robert Spencer, Mr Mark (Monmouth) Hollobone, Mr Philip Newmark, Mr Brooks Stephenson, Andrew Davies, Glyn Hopkins, Kris Newton, Sarah Stevenson, John Davies, Philip Horwood, Martin Nokes, Caroline Stewart, Bob de Bois, Nick Howell, John Norman, Jesse Stewart, Iain Dinenage, Caroline Hughes, rh Simon Nuttall, Mr David Stewart, Rory Dodds, rh Mr Nigel Huhne, rh Chris O’Brien, Mr Stephen Streeter, Mr Gary Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M. Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy Offord, Mr Matthew Stride, Mel Dorries, Nadine Hunter, Mark Ollerenshaw, Eric Stuart, Mr Graham Doyle-Price, Jackie Huppert, Dr Julian Opperman, Guy Stunell, Andrew Duncan, rh Mr Alan Hurd, Mr Nick Ottaway, Richard Sturdy, Julian Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain Jackson, Mr Stewart Parish, Neil Swales, Ian Dunne, Mr Philip James, Margot Patel, Priti Swayne, rh Mr Desmond Ellis, Michael Javid, Sajid Paterson, rh Mr Owen Swinson, Jo Ellison, Jane Jenkin, Mr Bernard Pawsey, Mark Swire, rh Mr Hugo Elphicke, Charlie Johnson, Gareth Penning, Mike Syms, Mr Robert Eustice, George Johnson, Joseph Penrose, John Teather, Sarah Evans, Graham Jones, Andrew Percy, Andrew Thurso, John Evans, Jonathan Jones, Mr David Phillips, Stephen Timpson, Mr Edward Evennett, Mr David Jones, Mr Marcus Pickles, rh Mr Eric Tomlinson, Justin Fabricant, Michael Kawczynski, Daniel Pincher, Christopher Tredinnick, David Fallon, Michael Kelly, Chris Poulter, Dr Daniel Truss, Elizabeth Farron, Tim Kirby, Simon Prisk, Mr Mark Turner, Mr Andrew Featherstone, Lynne Knight, rh Mr Greg Pugh, John Tyrie, Mr Andrew Field, Mark Kwarteng, Kwasi Raab, Mr Dominic Uppal, Paul Foster, rh Mr Don Lancaster, Mark Randall, rh Mr John Vaizey, Mr Edward Francois, rh Mr Mark Lansley, rh Mr Andrew Reckless, Mark Vara, Mr Shailesh Freeman, George Latham, Pauline Redwood, rh Mr John Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa Freer, Mike Lee, Jessica Rees-Mogg, Jacob Walker, Mr Robin Fullbrook, Lorraine Lee, Dr Phillip Reid, Mr Alan Wallace, Mr Ben Fuller, Richard Lefroy, Jeremy Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm Walter, Mr Robert Gale, Sir Roger Leigh, Mr Edward Robathan, rh Mr Andrew Ward, Mr David Garnier, Mr Edward Letwin, rh Mr Oliver Robertson, Hugh Watkinson, Angela Garnier, Mark Lewis, Brandon Robertson, Mr Laurence Weatherley, Mike Gauke, Mr David Lewis, Dr Julian Rogerson, Dan Webb, Steve George, Andrew Lidington, rh Mr David Rosindell, Andrew Wharton, James Gibb, Mr Nick Lilley, rh Mr Peter Rudd, Amber Wheeler, Heather Gilbert, Stephen Lloyd, Stephen Ruffley, Mr David White, Chris Glen, John Lopresti, Jack Russell, Sir Bob Whittaker, Craig Goldsmith, Zac Lord, Jonathan Rutley, David Wiggin, Bill Goodwill, Mr Robert Loughton, Tim Sanders, Mr Adrian Willetts, rh Mr David Gove, rh Michael Luff, Peter Scott, Mr Lee Williams, Mr Mark Graham, Richard Lumley, Karen Selous, Andrew Williams, Roger Grant, Mrs Helen Macleod, Mary Shannon, Jim Williamson, Gavin Gray, Mr James Maude, rh Mr Francis Shapps, rh Grant Willott, Jenny Green, Damian Maynard, Paul Sharma, Alok Wilson, Mr Rob Grieve, rh Mr Dominic McCartney, Jason Shelbrooke, Alec Wollaston, Dr Sarah Griffiths, Andrew McCartney, Karl Simpson, David Wright, Jeremy Gummer, Ben McCrea, Dr William Simpson, Mr Keith Wright, Simon Gyimah, Mr Sam McIntosh, Miss Anne Skidmore, Chris Yeo, Mr Tim Hague, rh Mr William McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick Smith, Miss Chloe Zahawi, Nadhim Halfon, Robert McPartland, Stephen Smith, Henry Hames, Duncan Mensch, Louise Smith, Julian Tellers for the Ayes: Hammond, Stephen Menzies, Mark Smith, Sir Robert James Duddridge and Hancock, Matthew Mercer, Patrick Soubry, Anna Norman Lamb Hancock, Mr Mike Metcalfe, Stephen Hands, Greg Miller, Maria NOES Harper, Mr Mark Mills, Nigel Harrington, Richard Milton, Anne Abbott, Ms Diane Bell, Sir Stuart Harris, Rebecca Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew Abrahams, Debbie Benn, rh Hilary Hart, Simon Mordaunt, Penny Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob Benton, Mr Joe Harvey, Nick Morgan, Nicky Alexander, rh Mr Douglas Berger, Luciana Hayes, Mr John Morris, Anne Marie Alexander, Heidi Betts, Mr Clive Heald, Oliver Morris, David Ali, Rushanara Blackman-Woods, Roberta Heath, Mr David Morris, James Allen, Mr Graham Blears, rh Hazel Heaton-Harris, Chris Mosley, Stephen Austin, Ian Blenkinsop, Tom Hemming, John Mowat, David Bailey, Mr Adrian Blomfield, Paul Henderson, Gordon Mulholland, Greg Bain, Mr William Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben Hendry, Charles Mundell, rh David Banks, Gordon Brennan, Kevin Herbert, rh Nick Munt, Tessa Bayley, Hugh Brown, rh Mr Nicholas Hinds, Damian Murray, Sheryll Beckett, rh Margaret Brown, Mr Russell Hoban, Mr Mark Murrison, Dr Andrew Begg, Dame Anne Bryant, Chris 145 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 146

Buck, Ms Karen Jones, Mr Kevan Tami, Mark Wicks, rh Malcolm Burnham, rh Andy Jones, Susan Elan Thomas, Mr Gareth Wilson, Phil Byrne, rh Mr Liam Joyce, Eric Thornberry, Emily Winnick, Mr David Campbell, Mr Alan Khan, rh Sadiq Timms, rh Stephen Winterton, rh Ms Rosie Campbell, Mr Ronnie Lammy, rh Mr David Trickett, Jon Woodcock, John Caton, Martin Lavery, Ian Twigg, Derek Wright, David Chapman, Mrs Jenny Lazarowicz, Mark Twigg, Stephen Wright, Mr Iain Clark, Katy Leslie, Chris Umunna, Mr Chuka Clarke, rh Mr Tom Lloyd, Tony Vaz, rh Keith Tellers for the Noes: Clwyd, rh Ann Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn Watts, Mr Dave Yvonne Fovargue and Coaker, Vernon Long, Naomi Whitehead, Dr Alan Jonathan Ashworth Connarty, Michael Love, Mr Andrew Cooper, Rosie Lucas, Caroline Question accordingly agreed to. Corbyn, Jeremy Lucas, Ian Crausby, Mr David Mactaggart, Fiona Creagh, Mary Mahmood, Shabana LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL Creasy, Stella Malhotra, Seema (WAYS AND MEANS) Cruddas, Jon Mann, John Cryer, John Marsden, Mr Gordon Motion made, and Question put forthwith (Standing Cunningham, Alex McCabe, Steve Order No. 52(1)(a)), Cunningham, Tony McCarthy, Kerry That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Local Dakin, Nic McClymont, Gregg Government Finance Bill, it is expedient to authorise— Danczuk, Simon McDonagh, Siobhain (1) the payment of sums to the Secretary of State in respect of David, Mr Wayne McDonnell, John non-domestic rating, and Davies, Geraint McFadden, rh Mr Pat (2) the payment of those sums into the Consolidated Fund.— Dobbin, Jim McGovern, Jim (Jeremy Wright.) Dobson, rh Frank McGuire, rh Mrs Anne Docherty, Thomas McKechin, Ann The House divided: Ayes 312, Noes 175. Donohoe, Mr Brian H. McKenzie, Mr Iain Division No. 417] [10.42 pm Dowd, Jim McKinnell, Catherine Doyle, Gemma Meacher, rh Mr Michael AYES Dugher, Michael Meale, Sir Alan Eagle, Ms Angela Mearns, Ian Adams, Nigel Burns, Conor Eagle, Maria Michael, rh Alun Afriyie, Adam Burns, rh Mr Simon Efford, Clive Miller, Andrew Aldous, Peter Burrowes, Mr David Elliott, Julie Moon, Mrs Madeleine Amess, Mr David Burstow, Paul Ellman, Mrs Louise Morden, Jessica Andrew, Stuart Burt, Lorely Esterson, Bill Morrice, Graeme (Livingston) Arbuthnot, rh Mr James Byles, Dan Evans, Chris Morris, Grahame M. Bacon, Mr Richard Cable, rh Vince Farrelly, Paul (Easington) Baker, Steve Cairns, Alun Fitzpatrick, Jim Munn, Meg Baldry, Tony Campbell, Mr Gregory Flello, Robert Murphy, rh Mr Jim Baldwin, Harriett Campbell, rh Sir Menzies Flint, rh Caroline Murray, Ian Barker, Gregory Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair Flynn, Paul Nash, Pamela Barwell, Gavin Carmichael, Neil Francis, Dr Hywel O’Donnell, Fiona Bebb, Guto Carswell, Mr Douglas Gapes, Mike Onwurah, Chi Beith, rh Sir Alan Chishti, Rehman Gardiner, Barry Owen, Albert Bellingham, Mr Henry Chope, Mr Christopher Gilmore, Sheila Perkins, Toby Benyon, Richard Clappison, Mr James Glass, Pat Pound, Stephen Beresford, Sir Paul Clark, rh Greg Glindon, Mrs Mary Qureshi, Yasmin Berry, Jake Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Godsiff, Mr Roger Raynsford, rh Mr Nick Binley, Mr Brian Coffey, Dr Thérèse Goggins, rh Paul Reynolds, Emma Birtwistle, Gordon Collins, Damian Goodman, Helen Reynolds, Jonathan Blackman, Bob Colvile, Oliver Greatrex, Tom Riordan, Mrs Linda Blackwood, Nicola Crabb, Stephen Green, Kate Rotheram, Steve Blunt, Mr Crispin Crockart, Mike Griffith, Nia Roy, Mr Frank Boles, Nick Crouch, Tracey Gwynne, Andrew Roy, Lindsay Bone, Mr Peter Davey, Mr Edward Hamilton, Mr David Ruane, Chris Bottomley, Sir Peter Davies, David T. C. Hanson, rh Mr David Seabeck, Alison Bradley, Karen (Monmouth) Harris, Mr Tom Sharma, Mr Virendra Brady, Mr Graham Davies, Glyn Havard, Mr Dai Sheridan, Jim Brake, rh Tom Davies, Philip Healey, rh John Shuker, Gavin Bray, Angie de Bois, Nick Hendrick, Mark Skinner, Mr Dennis Brazier, Mr Julian Dinenage, Caroline Hilling, Julie Slaughter, Mr Andy Bridgen, Andrew Dodds, rh Mr Nigel Hodgson, Mrs Sharon Smith, rh Mr Andrew Brine, Steve Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M. Hoey, Kate Smith, Angela Brokenshire, James Dorries, Nadine Howarth, rh Mr George Smith, Nick Brooke, Annette Doyle-Price, Jackie Irranca-Davies, Huw Spellar, rh Mr John Browne, Mr Jeremy Duncan, rh Mr Alan James, Mrs Siân C. Straw, rh Mr Jack Bruce, Fiona Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain Jamieson, Cathy Stringer, Graham Bruce, rh Malcolm Dunne, Mr Philip Jarvis, Dan Stuart, Ms Gisela Buckland, Mr Robert Ellis, Michael Jones, Helen Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry Burley, Mr Aidan Ellison, Jane 147 Local Government Finance Bill10 JANUARY 2012 Local Government Finance Bill 148

Elphicke, Charlie Johnson, Joseph Phillips, Stephen Sturdy, Julian Eustice, George Jones, Andrew Pickles, rh Mr Eric Swales, Ian Evans, Graham Jones, Mr David Pincher, Christopher Swayne, rh Mr Desmond Evans, Jonathan Jones, Mr Marcus Poulter, Dr Daniel Swinson, Jo Evennett, Mr David Kawczynski, Daniel Prisk, Mr Mark Swire, rh Mr Hugo Fabricant, Michael Kelly, Chris Pugh, John Syms, Mr Robert Fallon, Michael Kirby, Simon Raab, Mr Dominic Teather, Sarah Farron, Tim Knight, rh Mr Greg Randall, rh Mr John Thurso, John Featherstone, Lynne Kwarteng, Kwasi Reckless, Mark Timpson, Mr Edward Field, Mark Lancaster, Mark Redwood, rh Mr John Tomlinson, Justin Foster, rh Mr Don Lansley, rh Mr Andrew Rees-Mogg, Jacob Tredinnick, David Francois, rh Mr Mark Latham, Pauline Reid, Mr Alan Truss, Elizabeth Freeman, George Lee, Jessica Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm Turner, Mr Andrew Freer, Mike Lee, Dr Phillip Robathan, rh Mr Andrew Tyrie, Mr Andrew Fullbrook, Lorraine Lefroy, Jeremy Robertson, Hugh Uppal, Paul Fuller, Richard Leigh, Mr Edward Robertson, Mr Laurence Vaizey, Mr Edward Gale, Sir Roger Letwin, rh Mr Oliver Rogerson, Dan Vara, Mr Shailesh Garnier, Mr Edward Lewis, Brandon Rosindell, Andrew Vickers, Martin Garnier, Mark Lewis, Dr Julian Rudd, Amber Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa Gauke, Mr David Lidington, rh Mr David Ruffley, Mr David Walker, Mr Robin George, Andrew Lilley, rh Mr Peter Russell, Sir Bob Wallace, Mr Ben Gibb, Mr Nick Lloyd, Stephen Rutley, David Walter, Mr Robert Gilbert, Stephen Lopresti, Jack Sanders, Mr Adrian Ward, Mr David Glen, John Lord, Jonathan Scott, Mr Lee Watkinson, Angela Goldsmith, Zac Loughton, Tim Selous, Andrew Weatherley, Mike Goodwill, Mr Robert Luff, Peter Shannon, Jim Webb, Steve Gove, rh Michael Lumley, Karen Shapps, rh Grant Wharton, James Graham, Richard Macleod, Mary Sharma, Alok Wheeler, Heather Grant, Mrs Helen Maynard, Paul Shelbrooke, Alec White, Chris Gray, Mr James McCartney, Jason Simpson, David Whittaker, Craig Green, Damian McCartney, Karl Simpson, Mr Keith Wiggin, Bill Grieve, rh Mr Dominic McCrea, Dr William Skidmore, Chris Willetts, rh Mr David Griffiths, Andrew McIntosh, Miss Anne Smith, Miss Chloe Williams, Mr Mark Gummer, Ben McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick Smith, Henry Williams, Roger Gyimah, Mr Sam McPartland, Stephen Smith, Julian Williamson, Gavin Halfon, Robert Mensch, Louise Smith, Sir Robert Willott, Jenny Hames, Duncan Menzies, Mark Soubry, Anna Wilson, Mr Rob Hammond, Stephen Metcalfe, Stephen Spencer, Mr Mark Wollaston, Dr Sarah Hancock, Matthew Miller, Maria Stephenson, Andrew Wright, Jeremy Hancock, Mr Mike Mills, Nigel Stevenson, John Wright, Simon Hands, Greg Milton, Anne Stewart, Bob Yeo, Mr Tim Harper, Mr Mark Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew Stewart, Iain Young, rh Sir George Harrington, Richard Mordaunt, Penny Stewart, Rory Zahawi, Nadhim Harris, Rebecca Morgan, Nicky Streeter, Mr Gary Hart, Simon Morris, Anne Marie Stride, Mel Tellers for the Ayes: Harvey, Nick Morris, David Stuart, Mr Graham James Duddridge and Hayes, Mr John Morris, James Stunell, Andrew Norman Lamb Heald, Oliver Mosley, Stephen Heath, Mr David Mowat, David NOES Heaton-Harris, Chris Mulholland, Greg Hemming, John Mundell, rh David Abbott, Ms Diane Brennan, Kevin Henderson, Gordon Munt, Tessa Abrahams, Debbie Brown, rh Mr Nicholas Hendry, Charles Murray, Sheryll Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob Brown, Mr Russell Herbert, rh Nick Murrison, Dr Andrew Alexander, rh Mr Douglas Bryant, Chris Hinds, Damian Neill, Robert Alexander, Heidi Buck, Ms Karen Hoban, Mr Mark Newmark, Mr Brooks Ali, Rushanara Burnham, rh Andy Hollingbery, George Newton, Sarah Austin, Ian Byrne, rh Mr Liam Hollobone, Mr Philip Nokes, Caroline Bailey, Mr Adrian Campbell, Mr Alan Hopkins, Kris Norman, Jesse Bain, Mr William Campbell, Mr Ronnie Horwood, Martin Nuttall, Mr David Banks, Gordon Caton, Martin Howell, John O’Brien, Mr Stephen Bayley, Hugh Chapman, Mrs Jenny Hughes, rh Simon Offord, Mr Matthew Beckett, rh Margaret Clark, Katy Huhne, rh Chris Ollerenshaw, Eric Begg, Dame Anne Clarke, rh Mr Tom Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy Opperman, Guy Benn, rh Hilary Clwyd, rh Ann Hunter, Mark Ottaway, Richard Benton, Mr Joe Coaker, Vernon Huppert, Dr Julian Parish, Neil Berger, Luciana Connarty, Michael Hurd, Mr Nick Patel, Priti Betts, Mr Clive Cooper, Rosie Jackson, Mr Stewart Paterson, rh Mr Owen Blackman-Woods, Roberta Crausby, Mr David James, Margot Pawsey, Mark Blears, rh Hazel Creagh, Mary Javid, Sajid Penning, Mike Blenkinsop, Tom Creasy, Stella Jenkin, Mr Bernard Penrose, John Blomfield, Paul Cruddas, Jon Johnson, Gareth Percy, Andrew Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben Cryer, John 149 Local Government Finance Bill 10 JANUARY 2012 150

Cunningham, Alex Khan, rh Sadiq Smith, Angela Vaz, rh Keith Cunningham, Tony Lammy, rh Mr David Smith, Nick Watts, Mr Dave Dakin, Nic Lavery, Ian Spellar, rh Mr John Whitehead, Dr Alan Danczuk, Simon Lazarowicz, Mark Straw, rh Mr Jack Wicks, rh Malcolm David, Mr Wayne Leslie, Chris Stringer, Graham Wilson, Phil Davies, Geraint Lloyd, Tony Stuart, Ms Gisela Winnick, Mr David Dobbin, Jim Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry Winterton, rh Ms Rosie Dobson, rh Frank Long, Naomi Tami, Mark Woodcock, John Docherty, Thomas Lucas, Ian Thomas, Mr Gareth Wright, David Donohoe, Mr Brian H. Mahmood, Shabana Thornberry, Emily Wright, Mr Iain Dowd, Jim Malhotra, Seema Timms, rh Stephen Doyle, Gemma Mann, John Twigg, Derek Tellers for the Noes: Dugher, Michael Marsden, Mr Gordon Twigg, Stephen Yvonne Fovargue and Eagle, Ms Angela McCabe, Steve Umunna, Mr Chuka Jonathan Ashworth Eagle, Maria McClymont, Gregg Efford, Clive McDonagh, Siobhain Question accordingly agreed to. Elliott, Julie McDonnell, John Ellman, Mrs Louise McGovern, Jim Esterson, Bill McGuire, rh Mrs Anne LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL Evans, Chris McKechin, Ann (CARRY-OVER) Farrelly, Paul McKenzie, Mr Iain Fitzpatrick, Jim McKinnell, Catherine Motion made, and Question put forthwith (Standing Flello, Robert Meacher, rh Mr Michael Order No. 80A(1)(a)), Flint, rh Caroline Meale, Sir Alan That if, at the conclusion of this Session of Parliament, proceedings Flynn, Paul Mearns, Ian on the Local Government Finance Bill have not been completed, Gapes, Mike Michael, rh Alun they shall be resumed in the next Session.—(Jeremy Wright.) Gardiner, Barry Miller, Andrew The Speaker’s opinion as to the decision of the Question Gilmore, Sheila Morrice, Graeme (Livingston) being challenged, the Division was deferred until Wednesday Glass, Pat Morris, Grahame M. 11 January (Standing Order No. 41A). Glindon, Mrs Mary (Easington) Godsiff, Mr Roger Munn, Meg Goggins, rh Paul Murphy, rh Mr Jim Business without Debate Goodman, Helen Murray, Ian Greatrex, Tom Nash, Pamela BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Green, Kate O’Donnell, Fiona Griffith, Nia Onwurah, Chi Ordered, Gwynne, Andrew Owen, Albert That at the sitting on Wednesday 11 January paragraph (2) of Hamilton, Mr David Perkins, Toby Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments) shall apply to Hanson, rh Mr David Pound, Stephen the Motions in the name of Edward Miliband as if the day were Havard, Mr Dai Qureshi, Yasmin an Opposition Day.—(Jeremy Wright.) Healey, rh John Raynsford, rh Mr Nick Hendrick, Mark Reynolds, Emma Hilling, Julie Reynolds, Jonathan DELEGATED LEGISLATION (COMMITTEES) Hodgson, Mrs Sharon Riordan, Mrs Linda Ordered, Hoey, Kate Rotheram, Steve That the Policing Protocol Order 2011 (S.I., 2011, No. 2744), Howarth, rh Mr George Roy, Mr Frank dated 15 November 2011, be referred to a Delegated Legislation Irranca-Davies, Huw Roy, Lindsay Committee.—(Jeremy Wright.) James, Mrs Siân C. Ruane, Chris Jamieson, Cathy Seabeck, Alison Jarvis, Dan Sharma, Mr Virendra Mr Speaker: Before the right hon. Member for Blackburn Jones, Helen Sheridan, Jim (Mr Straw) opens his Adjournment debate, may I appeal Jones, Mr Kevan Shuker, Gavin to Members who are, unaccountably, leaving the Chamber Jones, Susan Elan Skinner, Mr Dennis to do so quickly and quietly, so that the rest of us can Joyce, Eric Smith, rh Mr Andrew hear what he has to say? 151 10 JANUARY 2012 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 152 and Manchester) Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn and Significant sums have been spent on station Manchester) improvements. In 2000, Railtrack replaced the old and decaying train shed at Blackburn station with well-designed Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House new station facilities, which were part of a £5 million do now adjourn.—(Jeremy Wright.) regeneration project. That set of improvements has been augmented in the past few months by new buildings 10.55 pm on platform 4 at Blackburn station, which were made Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab): Thank you very necessary by the increased demand for rail services on much for that, Mr Speaker, and for the opportunity you both the east-west and north-south lines. Much needed have given me to raise this important local issue of rail improvements at Darwen station will be completed in services between Clitheroe, Blackburn and Manchester April and regional growth fund moneys for the Todmorden in my first Adjournment debate at least in this century curve, enabling direct services from Burnley to Manchester, and going back a good part of the previous one. have just been agreed. Office of Rail Regulation data show that there has With the Transport Secretary’s key announcement been a 90% increase in rail travel within the north-west earlier this afternoon of the Government’s commitment in the 12 years from 1995-96 to 2007-08, exceeding by to press ahead with the High Speed 2 line, today will go 20 percentage points the overall growth in all rail passenger down as a day of great significance in the development journeys in Great Britain over the same period. The of public transport in the United Kingdom. Of course data also show that east Lancashire has been part of I welcome that announcement, as I welcomed the earlier that extraordinary growth in local rail services in the announcements to extend electrification to the Manchester- north-west. There has been a 27% increase to 1.2 million Liverpool and Manchester-Preston rail corridors. HS2 in the number of passengers going through Blackburn will not, however, be completed until at least 2026, and station a year in the five years from 2004-05 to 2009-10 the north-west electrification schemes will not be completed and an astonishing 46% increase in the number of until at least 2016. So this evening I want to make the passengers going through Darwen railway station, which case for the pressing and much more immediate is now 250,000 a year. improvements needed in the north-south rail services Overall, the north-south Clitheroe to Manchester from Clitheroe, which run through Blackburn and Darwen, line is forecast to be used by 1.7 million passengers this and into Manchester. I also want to seek the advice and financial year, the highest patronage ever enjoyed by the guidance of the Minister on how we can break out of route. The service developments that are already taking an apparent Catch-22 that is in the way of those place at Manchester Victoria will put more stress on the improvements, whose benefits for existing and future service as connections become even easier to a larger rail passengers, and for the wider economy of east range of destinations, including Manchester airport. Lancashire and the north-west, will, we believe, be significant. The irony is that alongside that catalogue of significant improvements, the one service that cannot be significantly The campaign for improvement in the services is improved at the moment is the line under consideration. supported by all the Members of Parliament for the The reason is very simple: the track between Blackburn area, all the political parties and all the local authorities and Bolton was singled in the 1960s. The result is that affected. My constituency neighbour, the hon. Member the maximum level of service that is possible to run on for Rossendale and Darwen (Jake Berry), is in his place that line is that run today—basically, an hourly service and will speak immediately after me, and the hon. with a half hourly service in the morning and evening Member for Ribble Valley (Mr Evans) would be vocal peaks. Even maintaining that pattern of service is difficult in his support for this cause but for the fact that, as a as, because of the long sections of single track, delays Deputy Speaker, he can take no part in debates. become amplified, sometimes throughout the day. Let me set the scene. Rail services in our area run Overcrowding on the services can be intense, as all of us east-west and north-south, with the main interchange who use it can bear witness, and the quality of the being at Blackburn. When I became its Member of rolling stock is poor on the whole—it is made up of the Parliament in 1979, these services in east Lancashire old Pacers and Sprinters of the 1970s and 1980s—despite were, like those elsewhere, in the shadow of Dr Beeching’s the best efforts of Northern Rail, the train operating axe, and they were in a process of what appeared to be company. Essentially, other areas’ cast-offs are “cascaded” terminal decline. Some lines had been closed altogether —I think that is the polite term—as new stock is or had had their passenger services ended. On other brought in not in east Lancashire but elsewhere. lines, double tracking had been replaced by single tracks, The solution to that systemically unsatisfactory situation and service frequencies had been greatly reduced—that is obvious: to double track some, although not all, of is the fundamental problem on the line under consideration. the line between Blackburn and Bolton, to lengthen In the 33 years since I became an MP, there have been trains and to improve the quality of the rolling stock. A some significant improvements in rail services. In the great deal of technical work has been undertaken already early 1980s, the Copy Pit line to west Yorkshire was on the key issue of doubling the track. The north-west reopened for passenger services. There is now an hourly rail utilisation strategy for 2007 put the “anticipated fast service across the Pennines that, combined with a cost” of the necessary infrastructure improvement at local stopping service to Colne, gives a half hourly “over £20 million”. east-west service throughout the day. In 1994, following The consultants commissioned by the local authorities, a great campaign by rail groups in the Ribble Valley, Faber Maunsell, concluded in their 2007 report that a with the support of the MP for that constituency and “positive business case is achievable for some of the options” the county council and district councils, passenger services under consideration. That said, the scheme has not so and stations from Clitheroe to Blackburn were reinstated. far scored highly enough on the standard cost-benefit The new service has proved immensely popular. analysis tools to feature in Network Rail’s confirmed 153 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 10 JANUARY 2012 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 154 and Manchester) and Manchester) investment programmes. The frustration that we all line we are discussing is vital to servicing that development. feel—the Catch 22—is that we know as a fact that there It passes through Salford Central, which is the nearest has been a huge increase in ridership even given the less station to MediaCity. than satisfactory frequency, reliability and comfort of Why would people in east Lancashire want to go to the current service and we are convinced that pretty Manchester for jobs? It is simply about economics. modest improvements in the scale of things would People who work in Manchester are more highly paid enable there to be dramatic improvements in reliability, than people who have a job within the borough. If we frequency and ridership, with major benefits to the want those high salaries to be brought back into our local economy. We see proposals elsewhere in the region borough by people bringing their money home at the and in the country whose intrinsic benefits appear to be end of the day to spend in our local economy, we need a no greater being more successful in the competition for regular rail service and a rail link that can be relied on. funds, yet the formulae used do not appear satisfactorily That, I hope, will be the Darwen dividend for growth. to capture the economic and social benefits that we are Finally, I urge the Minister to take a close look at the sure will accrue from this investment. So, we look scheme. As I have said, it is affordable and the cost forward with optimism and anticipation to the advice would be outweighed by the social, economic and leisure from the Minister on how we can break away from the benefits for all the residents of east Lancashire. We are circular trap we are in and progress this scheme. in a unique position in that our roads are among the most clogged up in the country. Indeed, the M66 was 11.4 pm identified in the latest edition of The Sunday Times as Jake Berry (Rossendale and Darwen) (Con): Let me the most congested road in Britain. We rely on our rail start by congratulating the right hon. Member for system and we need it to be improved. I hope the Blackburn (Mr Straw) on securing this very important Minister will give that point some consideration. Adjournment debate, which is vital to his constituency and mine. The railway link between Manchester, Darwen 11.9 pm and Blackburn needs to be improved. As we have heard, The Minister of State, Department for Transport the current service is infrequent and suffers from chronic (Mrs Theresa Villiers): I start by congratulating the overcrowding. Despite those problems, it is heavily used. right hon. Member for Blackburn (Mr Straw) on securing Indeed, I was astounded to learn that there has been a this debate on, as he says, a very auspicious day for the 46% increase in the number of people catching the train rail network in the United Kingdom. While the focus from Darwen into Manchester in the past five years. for many today has been on the big project, which is This evening, the right hon. Gentleman and I ask the going to be high-speed rail, it is also very important to Minister for advice on how we can proceed as local MPs continue to improve services on our existing rail network, in partnership with our local authorities and on a including local services of the sort that we have been cross-party basis to achieve the doubling of parts of the discussing this evening. I know how much importance line between Darwen and Bolton so that we can have a the right hon. Gentleman places on that, as do the other regular half-hourly service that is reliable not only at hon. Members who are present today and want to make rush hour but throughout the day. Other works will also their arguments heard. be required to improve the service, including the lengthening The Government fully appreciate the economic benefits of platforms to enable longer trains to ease the chronic that improving our transport system can generate. That overcrowding problems. In terms of public infrastructure, is why we have placed a priority on improving our rail the improvements we seek are relatively affordable. network, even though our budgets are limited due to the Independent estimates have costed them at around need to deal with the deficit. So as well as going ahead £20 million. with high-speed rail, we have embarked on the biggest I do not want you to think that this is just the Jake programme of rail improvements to our existing network and Jack line, Mr Speaker. Improvements would also since the Victorian era, and that ambitious programme benefit many other hon. Members of the House and includes a number of very important projects in the would help residents in Salford, Bolton, Darwen, Blackburn north-west, which I may have time to cover briefly at the and Clitheroe. My major concern is the Darwen dividend, end if time allows. as the local MP, and I want improvements in the line for We recognise that capacity has been an issue for a my constituents. I draw the Minister’s attention to the considerable time on commuter train services into overwhelming demand for an improved service, which Manchester, including services from Clitheroe and has already been demonstrated by the increased use. Blackburn. The passenger growth figures that the right Clearly, demand already exists. hon. Gentleman and my hon. Friend the Member for Why is the improvement we seek necessary? Even Rossendale and Darwen (Jake Berry) have referred to with the current overcrowded and often unreliable service, are indeed striking, and that pattern is reflected on 10% of the borough’s work force from Blackburn and many other parts of the rail network, which is why we Darwen commute to Greater Manchester to work. As a have undertaken the programme of capacity expansion Liverpudlian, it pains me greatly to admit that Manchester that we have. It was welcome news, therefore, when is the north-west’s superpower, but unfortunately I have funding for the HLOS—high-level output specification— to say that that is correct. Independent estimates suggest programme of additional carriages on the whole network that about 60,000 new jobs will be created in Greater was confirmed by the Chancellor in the comprehensive Manchester over the next 10 years. That jobs and growth spending review. That programme included extra carriages dividend must be shared across Blackburn and Darwen, for the Clitheroe-Blackburn-Manchester line. Since July with my constituents, and across the entire borough. We 2010, three of the seven peak services on that route have want this growth dividend in east Lancashire, which has been lengthened, providing a 20% increase in the number some deprived areas. We need it. Some of the growth in of seats, and platforms have been lengthened at four jobs and industry will be linked to MediaCity, and the stations. 155 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 10 JANUARY 2012 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 156 and Manchester) and Manchester) [Mrs Theresa Villiers] if a reliable half-hourly service were to be introduced in both directions throughout the day. My hon. Friend I recognise, however, as do the Government, the local mentioned the idea of doubling the line. Network Rail support for other proposals to improve rail services concluded that a longer passing loop at Darwen and an between east Lancashire and Manchester. We recognise increase in line speed capability at Turton crossing were the support for the half-hour all day service from Blackburn the appropriate improvements, and work is going on to to Manchester, which many have expressed support for establish how much they are likely to cost. and which is under discussion tonight. That is why the Since this is a service generating primarily local benefits, Department for Transport has engaged at considerable it is for the local authority to identify a funding source length with Blackburn with Darwen council, Burnley for the investment needed to make it possible, but one borough council and Lancashire county council on possible source of funding would be the next major finding a way to deliver the service improvements that local transport schemes budget. This is the kind of those local authorities and the local communities want. project for which it is well worth putting forward a bid I have been asked this evening to give advice on to that funding stream. Consistent with our wider localism taking forward an improvement programme. The first agenda, we are currently considering how we might stage has already been achieved—obtaining the support enlarge the participation of local and sub-national bodies of the relevant local authorities. It is only when a in the decisions that are taken on how to allocate that commitment is made by the local authorities to prioritise major local transport fund, and we continue to engage these things locally that they have any chance of getting with key stakeholders on our proposals. We will give off the ground. It has become clear over recent years further information shortly about the whole major local that rail service improvements between east Lancashire scheme that we envisage working in the future. We hope and Manchester have become a high priority locally, that there will be a bigger say for the local and regional and the work that the councils have commissioned stakeholders in the decisions. from Network Rail to carry out studies as part of their If the proposal to introduce half-hourly services on GRIP—governance for rail investment—process to identify the line were awarded funding under this budget, I am infrastructure requirements is another important advised that a scheme could conceivably be implemented precondition for a credible proposal to enhance by December 2016, which might tie in well with the infrastructure and services. So again we are seeing this north-west electrification programme and the Ordsall process being taken very seriously and important steps Chord, which we expect to have been completed by that being taken, which are essential if there is to be a date. Consistent with the approach taken by the previous successful conclusion along the lines that the right hon. Government, if additional off-peak services require an Member for Blackburn would like. ongoing subsidy, that would need to be funded by the The local authorities, I understand, have also been local authorities for at least the first three years of working with Northern Rail to carry out demand operation. It is not clear whether in the long term these forecasting and to estimate operating costs. That kind services would require additional subsidy, but many of foresight and commitment from local authorities has such local services tend to require subsidy, certainly in meant that they have been able to take advantage of the early years. If the additional services continued to some of the funding opportunities that have emerged demonstrate a good business case after a three-year over the last couple of years in relation to east Lancashire period of local subsidy, the Government would consider services. The most striking example of that has already funding them if funds are available. The local authorities been mentioned this evening: subject to due diligence, will need to look at that to identify the funding to Burnley borough council has secured the funding from subsidise for three years any enhanced service that they the regional growth fund for the Todmorden curve to seek to take forward. enable through trains to run between Accrington, Burnley As a further relevant matter, I should mention that and Manchester. That will provide a considerable boost we plan soon to issue a consultation document on the for regeneration of the Weavers Triangle area, as well as decentralisation of decision making in relation to our important benefits for businesses and for commuters to railways generally. This could provide an opportunity access those important job opportunities in Manchester, for local authorities and PTEs to have a greater say in about which my hon. Friend the Member for Rossendale policy and decisions on local rail services, such as the and Darwen addressed the House. I congratulate the Clitheroe-Blackburn-Manchester service. Decisions on borough and county councils on their success. That this obviously await the consultation and its outcome, demonstrates that such projects can get off the ground but services such as the ones that we have been discussing if the right work is done. might be appropriate for devolution to a local body, playing a bigger role in relation to important aspects of The Clitheroe-Blackburn-Manchester line currently the rail service and how the subsidy of those services is has an hourly service. We have heard this evening that allocated within a particular area. But even without there is concern locally that that is not frequent enough. further devolution, a process is in place that could It is supplemented by additional services at peak times enable local authorities to take a scheme forward to between Blackburn and Manchester. I am aware that enhance the Clitheroe to Manchester service. It does introducing at least a half-hourly service to Blackburn mean that they may have to make choices about whether throughout the day is supported by Blackburn with the scheme is a higher priority than other transport Darwen council, Lancashire county council and Transport choices in their area, but I can assure the right hon. for Greater Manchester, as well as right hon. and hon. Gentleman and my hon. Friend that we will continue Members who have spoken this evening. to provide help and advice to the local authorities as As we have also heard, much of the route between they work with the rail industry further to develop the Blackburn and Bolton is single track. That means that scheme and identify the funding needed if it is to go infrastructure improvements would need to be delivered forward. 157 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 10 JANUARY 2012 Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn 158 and Manchester) and Manchester) I want to put this debate in the context of the benefits across the north of England, particularly in the Government’s wider improvements to rail in the north-west. north-west, revitalising the Manchester economy to the In 2010, as the right hon. Gentleman mentioned, we benefit of the surrounding areas, including, of course, confirmed the electrification of the so-called north-west east Lancashire. triangle of routes, namely Manchester to Liverpool, As well as cutting journey times and reducing costs, Liverpool to Wigan North Western and Manchester to the improvements that we have announced and our Preston via Bolton. This programme of electrification programme of electrification will release diesel trains will result in faster journey times on these routes. The for use elsewhere on the network, making expansion of first stage, between Manchester and Earlestown, is due services on other lines easier to deliver. We will be to be completed by December 2013, and the whole considering further improvements to our railways in the scheme should be finished by December 2016. north of England and other elements of the northern In March 2011, the Chancellor announced the go-ahead hub package in the high level output specification, for a major element of the northern hub package—the which we will be publishing in the summer, on improvements construction of the Ordsall Chord. This important that can be funded by the Government between 2014 stretch of new line will enable trains from Manchester and 2019. In the meantime, Network Rail is undertaking airport to Leeds and the north-east to serve Manchester further development work on each element of the package Victoria alongside trains from Liverpool, which will be to establish with greater clarity how much they would diverted from their present route to operate via the cost and to gauge the strength of the business case. more direct Chat Moss route. This will substantially Our priority is to reduce the budget deficit, but we reduce journey times between Manchester and Leeds fully recognise the need to invest in improving our and release capacity at Piccadilly station for additional transport network, because of the regeneration and job services from the south and east of the city. All those opportunities that it can deliver. We are also pressing measures should help to open up job opportunities in forward with a programme of reform on our railways so the way that my hon. Friend referred to and enable that we can reduce the cost of running them to give more people to take advantage of the economic vitality better value for money for taxpayers and fare payers, of Manchester. and also make it more realistic and viable to deliver the In his autumn statement the Chancellor announced kind of improvements to services that hon. Members that the route between Manchester, Leeds and York have called for tonight. would be electrified. This announcement, coupled with Question put and agreed to. the Ordsall Chord and a programme of other line speed improvements already funded, will cut journey times between Liverpool and Newcastle by up to 45 minutes. 11.23 pm We believe that those improvements will deliver significant House adjourned.

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more balanced economy in the nations and regions of Westminster Hall the state that does not squeeze out the private sector. The claim—the theory, at least—is that depressing public Tuesday 10 January 2012 sector wages where they are currently higher than those in the private sector will lead to the brightest and best choosing a private sector career over public service and [MR CHRISTOPHER CHOPE in the Chair] that such an approach will boost the private sector. What are the Treasury’s intentions? Is it considering a Regional Pay (Public Sector) system that extends the London weighting, or is it Motion made, and Question proposed, That the sitting considering something altogether more far-reaching? In be now adjourned.—(Angela Watkinson.) June 2008, the Minister for the Cabinet Office was quoted in the Financial Times as saying that it is the 9.30 am intention of the new UK Government to lower rates of pay in the civil service outside London. That is on top Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) of redundancies and a two-year pay freeze, with the (PC): Diolch, Mr Chope. It is a pleasure to serve under autumn statement freezing public sector pay at 1% for a your chairmanship this morning and to have the honour further two years. May I remind Ministers that a pay of beginning the first Westminster Hall debate of 2012. freeze at 1% is essentially a further real-terms pay cut I thank right hon. and hon. Friends for making the for the next two years? My fear is that the Treasury’s effort to come here on the first morning of Parliament’s proposals are all about saving costs. I therefore cannot return. see it topping up payments for public sector workers in The topic of regional pay will increasingly dominate more affluent areas of the state or reallocating resources. relations between the UK Government and the public My concern is that the Government’s intention is to sector over the coming year, perhaps even more than reduce pay in the poorest parts of the state across the the still unsolved dispute over public sector pensions. public sector and to introduce market conditions into Back in November, I labelled the autumn statement a public sector workers’ pay and remuneration. panicked response to worsening economic forecasts, The Institute for Fiscal Studies reported that the rising unemployment and increasing deficit payments. public sector pay bill for 2009 was around £182 billion, The statement included many interventionist measures which represents around 30% of UK Government for which my party had been calling, particularly increased expenditure and around 13.1% of UK national income. capital infrastructure investment. The signature policy However, based on the 2010 comprehensive spending of the statement was the capital investment programme, review, we know that the public wage bill will be significantly which seems remarkably similar to my party’s proposals reduced by the projected reduction of 400,000 public at the last Welsh general election. I hope that the sector jobs by 2017. In winding up today, it would be £25 billion of funds to be raised from pension funds helpful if the Minister informed us what the savings will over the coming years will be shared equitably across be of the Office for Budget Responsibility’s new projections the nations and regions of the state. of more than 710,000 public sector job losses by 2017. The fine print of the autumn statement contained a At the risk of offending my friends in the Labour deeply worrying request for pay review bodies to investigate party, based on the policy direction of the previous how public sector pay can be made Government, the Treasury should have the full support “more responsive to local…markets”, of Her Majesty’s official Opposition. What strikes me with the aim that they should report in July this year. about politics in this place is that, despite the sporadic After the flurry of announcements that we heard at the changing of the guard at No. 10 Downing street, more beginning of the autumn statement, it took a while for things stay the same. The previous Prime Minister had the significance of that announcement to sink in. What obviously spent too much time in his former post at the the Chancellor was announcing was a wholesale review Treasury, as he was an avid exponent of regional pay. of the introduction of regional pay in the public sector Indeed, the previous Labour Government introduced to be introduced as early as the 2013-14 pay round. I do regional pay for court workers and the Prison Service. not want to accuse the Chancellor of being deliberately antagonistic— In the teeth of the trade union movement’s opposition over the coming months to these proposals, the Treasury will justifiably be able to say that the previous Labour Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab): Oh, why Government introduced the principle of differential not? pay, using the Courts Service as a pathfinder for its wider introduction across the whole public sector. Indeed, Jonathan Edwards: Well, it is the first day back. the Chancellor made that point repeatedly to the Treasury However, the fact that that announcement was made on Committee during the evidence session on the autumn the eve of the biggest industrial strike in the UK since statement last month. To the Public and Commercial 1926 smacks of deliberate bad timing. If the Government Services Union’s credit, it warned exactly of that during think that the proposals for public sector pensions have the debate surrounding the proposals for the Courts got state employees and their representatives worked Service in 2007. It said at the time: up, they have not seen anything yet. As the debate rages over such proposals, I fear that we are likely to witness “There was a need for a pay and regrading review as workers increased industrial strife. from the magistrates’ courts have recently been brought into the civil service. But the Department of Constitutional Affairs has After making the announcement in the autumn gone for the cheapest possible option. If the government brings statement, the Chancellor explained that the review regional pay in here, it will try to implement it in the rest of the would be a significant step towards the creation of a civil service, and then across the public sector.” 3WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 4WH

[Jonathan Edwards] has been supported by about 18 Members to date. I urge those Members who support the campaign on this I would be grateful to the Minister if she informed hon. issue to sign that early-day motion at the very least. Members about the Government’s assessment of the Public sector workers are facing real-term cuts and impact on recruitment and quality of service in south-east that is before we consider the impact on the private England of introducing regional pay in the Courts sector. In many places, the private sector is reliant on Service. More importantly from my constituents’ the trade generated by the public sector and the money perspective, what has been the impact on recruitment, circulated through public sector employees. In constituencies performance and, crucially, morale in those areas where such as mine, where more than 30% of people work in lower rates of pay are offered? the public sector, there is a direct correlation between their wages and the cash circulating in the local economy. Helen Goodman: The hon. Gentleman is in general making an excellent case this morning, and I congratulate Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) (DUP): I him on securing the debate. Does he agree that there is a congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing the debate. real problem surrounding the quality of public services Surely, his point about the direct correlation between as a result of the fact that, for example, doctors might socio-economic difficulties in geographical areas— come out of university with five, six or seven years of particularly those that are some distance from the south-east debt and be paid less in regions such as the north-east such as Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and the or Wales than in London? north of England—and the high dependency on public sector employment is key. Many of those areas have Jonathan Edwards: The hon. Lady makes an excellent only managed to get through the recession at the moment point, and I thank her for that intervention. I will come because of their high dependency on the public sector. on to talk about the brain-drain element and the If we were to go down this route now, we would find polarisation of wealth across the British state. that the problem would be multiplied even more. I say to the Minister that, with the policy in operation Jonathan Edwards: The hon. Gentleman makes an across some parts of the public sector already, the excellent point. We should be considering not depressing Treasury should have the information about its impact the public sector in those areas where the economy is at its disposal. That leads us to ask why the autumn weakest, but improving the private sector. statement pledged to hold an investigation into the issue. There is already a wealth of evidence from trade Since the general election, we have heard a lot about unions about the problems of the policy in the courts the UK Government’s ambition to geographically rebalance and prison services. the economy. They have the full support of my party, including the national insurance holiday proposals for Without having sight of the Minister’s speech, I small businesses, which I think shows the Treasury’s presume that her counter-argument might include saying intent, despite the evidence showing a lack of success. that it is the Government’s intention to equalise the The policy indicates that the Treasury, at long last, standard of living for public sector workers. Such an realises that countervailing measures are required to argument might go along the lines that a teacher working address the so-called north-south economic divide. We in Carlisle or Carmarthenshire has more disposable will, however, need a far more comprehensive approach income than a colleague working in Reading, because than we have seen to date. My fear is that this policy on of the difference in the cost of living and that that is regional pay goes in a completely different economic morally unjustifiable. Superficially, that seems a seductive direction. and attractive argument, but it is essentially a policy aimed towards a race to the bottom. One of our major criticisms of UK Governments of whatever colour in the past 30 years has been that the I hope that the Government do not embark on a emphasis has been far too concentrated on one small divide-and-rule strategy and play public sector workers geographical part of the state. Successive Governments off against each other, as they have during the public have been guilty of allowing regional and individual sector pensions debate. Under the proposals, both public wealth polarisation at an incredible rate. The average and private sector workers in the regions and locations gross value added per person in inner London is 10 times concerned would be losers. The impact of such a policy that of workers in the Gwent valley. Inner London is would not be a geographical or sectoral rebalancing of the richest part of the European Union, whereas the the economy; it would be a sobering experience, with communities that I represent—only a few hours down public sector workers already in fear of their jobs the M4; longer on the train—qualify for the highest having their pockets picked for pension payments and form of European convergence aid. Such are the imbalances suffering a prolonged period of wage freezes and real-term in the British state that it is now by far the most unequal cuts. of all EU member states. Considering the unification Hywel Williams (Arfon) (PC): Does my hon. Friend legacy in Germany, that is a damning indictment of all agree that the arguments about differential costs of successive Governments. living in some areas are sometimes bogus? He will know Far from addressing that record of shame, these as well as I do that, for example, transport costs in rural proposals will further depress those economies that are areas are astronomical. People might have to run two in desperate need of investment. It is no surprise to cars, as they struggle to maintain a lifestyle that involves anyone that the fiscal consolidation pursued by the UK travelling to two jobs in different directions. Government will hit the poorest parts of the state most. The statement by the Prime Minister that we are all in Jonathan Edwards: My hon. Friend makes an excellent this together is rivalled in its degree of preposterousness argument. Indeed, following the autumn statement, he only by the previous Prime Minister’s assertion, when tabled an early-day motion on the topic, which I think Chancellor, that he would abolish boom and bust. My 5WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 6WH country has the lowest average gross weekly wages in Returning to some of the arguments used to promote the whole UK. On average, workers in Wales earn the idea, the notion that depressing public sector pay approximately £519.40, compared with £629.10 in the would lead to the brightest and the best leaving the south-east of England and £826.40 in London. Take public sector to generate wealth seems a slightly strange away the consistency of public sector pay—a point one. Public sector workers often make a lifetime made by many hon. Members in interventions to date—and commitment to joining a profession and to public service. those discrepancies will be far worse. Rather than seeking work in the local private sector, they are far more likely to seek similar employment in other areas where they will receive a better pay. That Grahame M. Morris (Easington) (Lab): I thank the will result in speeding up the brain drain that has hon. Gentleman for giving way and for securing the caused so much damage to the communities that I debate. Aside from the unfairness, will he tell hon. represent. Members whether the ability of the fire service, for example, to be resilient in the event of major incidents There are a number of technical problems with the such as terrorist threats—or flooding, which happens in introduction of regional public sector pay. One obvious my region—is likely to be undermined by such a national problem is how to calculate pay. Is the idea to link it pay structure? Remember, fire fighters will often cross with private sector pay? If so, the huge disparities in pay borders to help brigades in other areas. in the private sector between different parts of the UK would be replicated in the public sector. Generally, private sector wages in Wales are only half those in Jonathan Edwards: The hon. Gentleman makes a London. Are we seriously saying that a public sector valid point about morale and about where public sector worker in Southwark, who does exactly the same job as workers choose their profession as a vocation. They do an individual in Carmarthenshire, should be paid twice so as a lifetime commitment and are more likely to the rate? move to areas where they will get better pay. This is a pressing issue about the effect that this proposal will How many different regions will there be? How will have on the quality of our public services in those areas boundaries be set, and how often will pay and boundaries where we need to be pumping up the public sector be reviewed? In an unusual sign of activity, the First because there are problems with the economy. Minister of Wales announced within hours of the autumn statement that, if the UK Treasury introduced the It would be indefensible, considering that public policy, the Welsh Government would seek to assume expenditure per head is far higher in London than other responsibility for public sector pay. I remember being parts of the state, for the Treasury to introduce a policy interviewed by the BBC on the steps of St Stephen’s that further exacerbates the wealth divide. The spending entrance on my response to the autumn statement. I power of people in the poorest parts of the state is was asked to respond to the First Minister’s comments, obviously far lower, and that has an impact on private which I had not heard previously, that regional pay was sector growth in those areas. In the communities that I represent, more than 30% of the population work in the “a code for cutting pay in Wales”. public sector. Their disposable income correlates directly He continued: to cash circulating in the local economy. The move “Ultimately we may have to look at taking overpay and conditions towards regional pay, therefore, is deeply worrying, as it here in Wales. It’s not as easy as it sounds. There are real issues in will institutionalise lower pay in poorer areas. It will terms of how that’s done. But if we’re forced into that situation, entrench those deeply socially divisive economic variances better that than have people’s pay cut by the UK Government in that exist within the British state and fundamentally London.” undermine a supposed key objective of the current UK That sort of fighting talk, with an alternative course of Government. action, is extremely unlike the current Welsh Government. We normally get a pile of hot air based on Labour-Tory Tom Blenkinsop (Middlesbrough South and East tribalism, but with even the Welsh Government awakening Cleveland) (Lab): I congratulate the hon. Gentleman from its slumber, perhaps Ministers here in London on securing the debate, because this is a very important should be very wary of the strength of opposition that issue. What would have been the consequence if regional these proposals will generate. pay had already been instituted and police officers from my area in Cleveland were sent down to London, Susan Elan Jones (Clwyd South) (Lab): As usual, my Birmingham or Manchester during last year’s summer Plaid friends always make the case better when they do riots? What would have been the consequences for the not mention the word “independence”. Going back to pensions of those police officers if their annual pay was the better part of the hon. Gentleman’s argument, we reduced in certain regions of the country? have a Secretary of State for Wales who happens to represent a Buckinghamshire constituency. Surely, if these proposals were considered logically, the rate of Jonathan Edwards: The hon. Gentleman makes a pay for that Secretary of State—if she is still Secretary very informative intervention, which shows some of the of State at the end of the week—would be rather problems. He is right to point to the recent riots in different if she represented a Welsh seat. That would be London, because police forces from his area and mine absolute nonsense, and it illustrates how nonsensical were sent down to London to deal with those problems. this policy is. What would the morale in the police force be if there was differential pay in different parts of the British state? In fact, I cannot think of many other policy Jonathan Edwards: That is a fantastic intervention, if interventions that would undermine completely attempts I am honest. Obviously, if we were to think this policy to rebalance the economy geographically. through rationally, it would mean that Members of 7WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 8WH

[Jonathan Edwards] grow through tax breaks, Government support for specific industries and infrastructure improvements. My party Parliament should receive differential pay, and I can has been championing such intervention in response to imagine how that might go down with hon. Members if the economic turmoil of the financial crisis in the past we had to vote on it. four years. I need not remind hon. Members that the Welsh economy under Plaid Cymru was growing faster Hywel Williams: To return to the practical problems than in any other part of the UK when we left office. that we have in Wales, we share a long land border with Sharp cuts in the pay available to public sector workers England that is rather different from Scotland. There is would have a hugely negative impact upon their ability much less traffic. I am very glad to see that link with to spend in the private sector and would probably lead England and both sides should profit from it, but it to a vicious downward spiral, with job losses in the means that public sector pay in the Courts Service in private sector and then a further downward impact Mold, for example, is different from that in Chester, upon public sector pay to again re-align. This is what which is just a few miles down the road, and that is Blanchflower calls a “death spiral”. The effect of regional ludicrous. pay may be to institutionalise lower pay and create employment ghettos. I am concerned that, despite such Jonathan Edwards: That is one of the practical problems significant problems, the twin siren calls of saving money that will come from this policy. and dismantling the public sector may be too much for As a Welsh nationalist, I of course welcome the the Chancellor to ignore. I hope that I am wrong. statements of the Government of my country that they Diolch yn fawr. will look into devolving public sector pay and conditions. Let us hope that if the UK Government continue with 9.53 am this policy, they match their words with actions. My only word of warning is: how will the Welsh Government Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire) (Con): Thank you, fund this policy, given that they are reliant on block Mr Chope, for calling me to speak on this complex, grant funding, which has been depressed by the Treasury, interesting issue. This is the first time that I have spoken and that they are paralysed by an inability to raise their under your chairmanship, and it is a great pleasure to own revenue? If we go down this road, we will have to do so. I congratulate my good friend, the hon. Member reform the funding formula, which the Labour party for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards). was previously cautious about doing. We have discussed this matter once, briefly, on Welsh Every hon. Member will acknowledge that the cost of radio, and I said then that I wanted to speak in this living—particularly housing—for public sector workers debate. The gist of what I said then, and shall say now, in some parts of the UK is a problem. The chasm is that we are facing a complex issue. It is difficult to between private sector and public sector wages in London, understand how the hon. Gentleman could be so definitive for example, needs to be addressed. That is why my about a response. party previously made the case for a maximum wage to There are serious issues here. On 29 November, the tackle the ridiculous earnings and bonuses paid to Chancellor announced a review of the case for regional people in the square mile that do so much to inflate pay. We are talking about an announcement that there prices for ordinary working people in both public and will be an inquiry reviewing the case; that is not sufficiently private sectors. We must consider introducing innovative definitive to be described as proposals. A number of ideas, such as rent caps, as in New York, to reduce the hon. Members who intervened mentioned proposals, housing benefit bill and ensure that public sector workers but we are considering something that could have a are not priced out of housing. damaging effect and could distort local markets. Rather than take such bold measures, the UK The issue is not new. I first became involved in it Government prefer to hammer hard-working people in 30 years ago, and it was a chastening experience. I am the poorest parts of the state in an attempt to remedy talking about the general, in-principle case for looking the problems caused by the obsession of successive at regional pay. I had just become chairman of Westminster Governments with the economic elite here Montgomeryshire district council, and had very little in London. That policy response, based on dealing with experience of public work; I had probably been put in the consequences of macro-economic policy, has led to that position a little earlier than I should have been. I such imbalances across the state, rather than tackling was a local farmer—a small businessman—and it seemed the causes of those imbalances. The argument is that, to me that the local authority was distorting the local through regional pay, the differences between public market. It was paying a significantly higher rate than and private sector pay will disappear, but that claim the local market. People were being transferred, and comes about through looking at problems through the local businesses were complaining about losing their wrong end of the microscope. That is the same perspective best staff. from which people argued that cutting public sector I went to a conference in Kensington town hall; I was jobs would lead automatically to their replacement with very green and new. My chief executive, who came with private sector jobs—and that has since been proven me, put me down to speak. When I was on the platform, quite wrong, especially in areas such as the one that I I made what I thought was an entirely rational point, represent. but I was booed off the platform. I was an independent In Wales, as in other parts of the UK, the private chairman; I was speaking with a local businessman’s sector is undoubtedly too small, and that is sometimes logic about how we could run the business—the local misrepresented by people saying that there is too large authority—more efficiently and not distort local markets, a public sector, but that is not the case. The private but I was booed off. That was more than 30 years ago, sector in Wales needs to be given encouragement to so there is nothing new about this debate. 9WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 10WH

I have read some quotes made by the previous Prime Glyn Davies: I thank the hon. Gentleman for that Minister when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, intervention, and as the Parliamentary Private Secretary and they were incredibly positive about regional pay. I to the Secretary of State for Wales, I reassure him that am sure that when we have this debate in July after the all the issues that I am involved with in the House inquiry reports, which will be the obvious time to discuss feature in our discussions. When I am asked tomorrow what might then be considered proposals, his quotes what I have been doing since Christmas, I will certainly will be mentioned; there are legions of them, strongly point to the debate that I am involved in today. I hope supporting regional pay and saying how vital it is for that that satisfies him on his request. the future of our economy. The only point that I want to make in my contribution is that the debate is too early. We need to have it in July, Helen Goodman: Labour Members are concerned and we will. It will be an issue for the Floor of the that there is not an open inquiry, but a collecting of House—an important and possibly contentious issue; I arguments for doing something that the Chancellor do not know. We will have to wait and see what the already wants to do. Will the hon. Gentleman say who report says. It is possible that the issue will be contentious, is on the commission, who is undertaking the review, but we must wait to see any proposals. In principle, I do and whether the trade unions are involved with it? not have any objection to the idea of a flexible labour market. Clearly, however, it must work and must not have a negative impact, and that can be decided only Glyn Davies: No, I cannot say. when we see the results of the inquiry, and information on which we can base a proper judgment. Hywel Williams: The hon. Gentleman says that the debate is on a long-standing, old question from 30 years ago. I thought that the Conservative position on it in 10.1 am Wales was made clear in a debate on 30 September Hywel Williams (Arfon) (PC): I am grateful for the 2008, when Mr William Graham—some hon. Members opportunity to speak in this debate, which is important might not know that he is a senior Conservative Assembly for my constituency and that of my hon. Friend the Member—said: Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan “First Minister, you will know that the Welsh Conservatives Edwards), in that we have large numbers of public firmly oppose the introduction of regional pay for civil servants.” sector workers. I am glad that my hon. Friend was What has changed? successful in securing the debate, and I draw hon. Members’ attention to my early-day motion. Glyn Davies: I am sure that Mr William Graham will Regional pay would institutionalise lower pay in countries be extremely honoured to be quoted in a debate in this and regions of the UK such as Wales compared with House. I will tell him about that when I speak to him London and south-east England, and it would magnify later today, as I have arranged to do—[Interruption.]—not the unfairness of the current economic situation. Whether on this issue, but on another one that will be of particular it is called zonal pay, local pay or regional pay, in the interest to Welsh Members across the board. present constitutional position and economic climate, it would go completely against the supposed policy of the This issue has the potential to distort local markets. UK Government to rebalance the UK economy, which That was my view 30 years ago, and I still see that is sorely needed. Regional pay would badly impact on potential now. I should have thought that I would have Wales and other countries and regions with a weaker found a measure of agreement with the hon. Member private sector, which is certainly the case in my constituency, for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr in our discussions on as well as in other parts of Wales, the north-east and Sunday morning, because there are significant questions north-west of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. about the difficulty of transferring from one area to When the Government refer to rebalancing, they are another, for example, and whether inflexibilities will be referring to something different from what my party introduced into the market. There are a host of other means by rebalancing. When the UK Government refer issues to consider, too. to rebalancing, they are referring to growth in the We need an inquiry. I understand that one or two south-east, as we have seen from the implementation of Opposition Members feel that the inquiry may not look various policies such as the huge high-speed rail proposal, across the board. I would be disappointed if that were which will be outlined today, the Olympics or a number so. We need an inquiry that will bring forward the of others, which I will not go into this morning. information that all of us, including the Chancellor, Our version of rebalancing is to increase support to need to make a balanced judgment. The appropriate sectors of industry and locations that have not benefited time for to happen that will be in six months. in the past from Government benevolence and support, which means support for countries and regions that Owen Smith (Pontypridd) (Lab): Will the hon. Gentleman have lost out over previous decades. As my hon. Friend undertake to speak to his boss, the Secretary of State has said, the economic situation has led to the growth of for Wales, and perhaps even the Chancellor, because, as the financial sector in the City of London to the cost of he just learned from my hon. Friend the Member for other industries; in Wales, we look in particular at the Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman), there is not a decline of manufacturing. We have a much more fragile review? A series of letters have been sent to the national and non-diversified economy because of the centralisation pay review bodies, asking them to consider the matter. of the UK economy on London, which has produced Will he take up the challenge and tell the Chancellor the overheating of housing costs and pressures in and that there ought to be a public review, and that trade around London. Anyone who lives in the south-east unions and other bodies absolutely ought to be involved? knows what I mean, and we have seen an increase in 11WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 12WH

[Hywel Williams] Edwards) for securing the debate. As well as depressing salaries in the public sector and therefore in the private inequality between London and the south-east of England sector, and given that many of the people affected are compared with the rest of the UK. If the proposals go already not well paid, will not regional pay cost the state through—if they are discussed and decided upon—I more in working tax credit, housing benefit and the fear that that inequality will be exacerbated. other benefits with which we subsidise low-paid workers? The annual survey of hours and earnings published by the Office for National Statistics last month showed Hywel Williams: The hon. Lady makes a fine point. that Welsh workers are already among the lowest paid As so often with the policies of this Government and at in the UK, while workers in many parts of London and times, I fear, of her own Government previously, there the south-east earn double our average salary. I would is no apparent understanding that the system is such be the first to complain about the large pockets of that if we cut off a large branch, the tree itself will be inner-city poverty that I come across when down here in affected. I agree with her entirely. London, and they are scattered throughout the inner cities of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, Helen Goodman: The hon. Gentleman is absolutely but generally we have seen the north and west of the right. In the north-east, the proposal has the potential UK suffering, while the south-east has benefited. That to take between £500 million and £1 billion out of our leads me to what might be a soundbite but which has a regional economy every year, and yet the switch in certain truth: we have regional pay already, but in capital to our regional economy under the Chancellor’s favour of the south-east. In part, that is because we autumn statement was 0.1% or £4.1 million, which is have too weak a private sector, which needs support and completely unbalanced. investment to develop, as we in Plaid recommended in our economic renewal plan. Hywel Williams: Indeed. The hon. Lady’s point is Support for the private sector in Wales may seem a pertinent to the debate. peculiar position for a lefty nationalist to take, and I When cuts were made to wider public sector budgets, can see some eyebrows rising around the Chamber the effects were largely on the public sector, of course, already. Unlike the Unionist parties, however, we see no but also on the para-private sector—companies that long-term benefits in being continually tied to fiscal have contracts with the public sector—which is integral transfers from London. That is not the position in to local economies. Similarly, those whose livelihoods which we want to see our country. We want to be as depend on services to those in employment will be at successful as any other part of the UK or of Europe. It risk from the proposals. As well as the local economy, a is a mark of the failure of the current unionist settlement whole host of small companies that service the public that parts of Wales have a gross value added that is low sector in our regions will be affected. enough to take advantage of European convergence funding. Many parts of Wales have a GVA of less than I have great sympathy with Labour Members—I am 75% of the average, so we get large transfers from pleased to see some of them here today—but I appreciate Brussels. Such transfers are welcome, but we do not that they will be fighting the proposals with one hand want to be in that position at all. That situation is the tied behind their backs. It does not please me to make result of the major economic decisions made in London, the point about the introduction of regional pay by the where the main economic levers are held. To thrive, the previous Government, but the Labour Government private sector in Wales needs support for it to grow. We promoted the idea. They floated it in 2003, and they need much better infrastructure and the Government to introduced it in the Courts Service in England and give the support and advantages that will allow companies Wales in 2008, when it was not entirely successful. The the opportunity to develop. That has not happened over Public and Commercial Services Union has told me a long period, and it requires a broad mix of government that regional and local pay in the Ministry of Justice policy and a fair economic wind. has not been a success, and that with the introduction of local pay in the Courts Service in 2007, there were Chopping back the public sector in all the guises problems with regional pay zones in the Ministry of introduced by the Government—real-terms pay cuts, Justice. The policy created inequalities and tensions, 710,000 job cuts according to the Office for Budget and it was ultimately unsuccessful and had to be reformed. Responsibility, and the pickpocketing of pension I hope that lessons have been learned, but I worry that contributions—will not improve the private sector in the wrong ones might have been learned. Wales one jot. Clearly, as anyone who has looked locally at the economy in Wales or elsewhere knows, there is a I conclude by saying that the effect of regional pay strong relationship between the public sector in our will be far-reaching and negative and that it will not areas and the private sector. Cut the public sector and improve the private sector. There is a strong likelihood the private sector is hit hard. that it will lead to institutionalisation of low pay in some places, and it will certainly make it much more The effect of any regional pay policy would be to difficult to attract new workers, as my hon. Friend the depress wages in the public sector throughout Wales, Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr has said. which will have a strong knock-on effect on the private The Treasury must reconsider its stance, and I will sector, because families will have less disposable income. certainly contribute to the debate as it develops, as will Families with less income will purchase fewer goods my hon. Friend and my right hon. Friend the Member and services locally, therefore providing less circulation for Dwyfor Meirionnydd (Mr Llwyd). of income for the local private sector. I apologise if my final point sounds light. I am Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab): I pleased to see that Conservatives in Wales are thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way and the hon. represented here. The comments of the hon. Member Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan for Montgomeryshire (Glyn Davies) were interesting. 13WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 14WH

I appreciate that Scottish Tories may have problems in We may disagree about the exact causes of the financial mustering manpower. It has been said that there are crisis, and where the blame for it should lie, but I think more pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs, and if the we all agree that the poorest people in the country did London Conservative and Liberal Democrat Government not cause it, so why are Government policies again push the regional pay issue through, Tory MSPs in targeting the poorest people? The poorest people will Edinburgh will be rarer than polar bears on the Clyde. pay because, as the hon. Member for Arfon said, depressing wages at the lower end of the public sector will inevitably Mr Christopher Chope (in the Chair): Order. Some have an impact on the private sector. Indeed, in their hon. Members have indicated to me informally that proposals, the Government intend to reduce salaries in they wish to participate in the debate. However, I will the public sector, which must have a knock-on effect on not call anyone if they do not rise and seek to catch my the private sector. eye. This is the new year, a time to exercise the muscles We should remember that salaries at the lower end of and become fitter, so perhaps hon. Members who wish the public sector, as in the private sector, are not those to speak will rise in their place. on which a family—or often even an individual—can live. The minimum wage is not a living wage, and for 10.13 am that reason, Newcastle city council is working towards a Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab): living wage in the most difficult economic circumstances. It is a pleasure to speak under your chairmanship, Low-wage and minimum-wage employers often have to Mr Chope. I congratulate the hon. Member for Carmarthen be subsidised by the state, in that working tax credit and East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards) on securing this housing benefit are needed to enable their employees to debate, and on the many excellent points he made in his live decently, so depressing private sector salaries will introduction. Other excellent points were made by my cost the state more in benefits. hon. Friends the Members for Bishop Auckland (Helen Let us consider how the private sector will react. Goodman), for Easington (Grahame M. Morris), and We know that the ideological basis of much of the for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland (Tom Government’s approach to the economy is that destroying Blenkinsop), and by the hon. Member for Arfon (Hywel the public sector will provide space for the private Williams). I do not intend to speak for long, or to sector to leap in, create jobs and new opportunities, and repeat the many points made about the implications for drive the economic recovery forward. I believe that the regional pay and the regional economy. I intend to economic recovery must come from a growth in private focus on what the plans say about the economic policies sector jobs, but it is clear, after more than a year and a of this Tory-led Government. half of this Government, that the private sector cannot The Tory-led Government talk a good talk about the create the necessary jobs and growth without the support key challenges facing our economy: the rebalancing and partnership of an active public sector, which, by its away from the service sector towards manufacturing, very nature, includes experienced, well-paid and secure and away from the south and London towards the employees who are able to support private sector activities. regions, including the north-east, where my constituency I speak regularly to local businesses in my constituency, is. Those challenges are important because of the huge and they all want to play a part in driving forward consequences of the financial crisis, which was brought growth and creating a resurgence of jobs in the region. about by an over-focus and over-concentration of the People tell me not that wages are too high, but that they economy on financial services. It will be remembered need: more public sector support in areas such as skills; that when we went into the financial crisis, we had the investment in shared resources, infrastructure, and transport; second lowest deficit in the OECD, but we suffered and measures to increase confidence and buying power more greatly because of over-dependence on financial among the public. Reducing the salaries of public sector services. workers in Newcastle will reduce people’s confidence What do the proposals mean for the economy, and and lessen the prospect of private sector employers particularly for rebalancing it towards manufacturing increasing employment and stoking growth. and the regions? My hon. Friends have made some How can the Minister justify targeting the poorest excellent points about driving higher-paid workers in people in our society to pay back a deficit that is due to the public sector away from the regions, and about the a crisis caused by a rampant financial sector? We have impact on the ability of the regions to attract higher-paid had 18 months of an ideological experiment, on a private sector workers. I want to focus on what the national basis, that clearly has not worked. Depressing proposals will mean for those on lower pay. local wages will not only drive out more skilled constituents, The evidence shows that the disparity between public but will hit the private sector in regions that are already and private sector wages, such as it is, is focused on the vulnerable and most greatly affected by public sector lower section. The Policy Exchange, in its analysis, cuts. This ideological experiment has run its course, and admits that the pay advantage, as it calls it, is not evenly the Government’s proposal yet again takes it too far. distributed and is higher in lower grades, particularly among the bottom 10% of public sector workers. From 10.22 am my experience of working in the public sector as a chartered engineer, I know very well that at the higher Phil Wilson (Sedgefield) (Lab): It is a pleasure to end, professional engineers, for example, are much better serve under your chairmanship, Mr Chope, and I paid in the private sector than in the public sector. congratulate the hon. Member for Carmarthen East Seeking to equalise pay rates in the private and public and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards) on securing the debate. sectors in the regions will inevitably reduce the wages of The issue of regional pay is important for people living the poorest-paid. What does that say about the in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and in regions Government’s policies and intentions? such as the north-east of England. 15WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 16WH

[Phil Wilson] In north-east England, average pay is £19,000 per year, but it is only that high because of public sector I spoke about regional pay, or the localisation of pay, workers in the area. How low does the Minister want in a debate on 6 December 2011, and the issue has been pay in north-east England to be? Public sector workers on the agenda for Governments since at least the 1980s, maintain the average salary at £19,000; without them it when I was a civil servant in Durham. The Megaw would be much lower. The differential in rates of pay is report wanted to devolve public sector pay in the civil not a reason for cutting pay or suspending pay rises in service on a regional basis, but that proposal did not get the public sector. Instead, we should see how we can anywhere. Introducing local rates of pay is difficult. The increase pay in the private sector. previous Government looked at the issue with regard to the public sector, and a Treasury guidance note from Tom Blenkinsop: Again, my hon. Friend makes an 2003 stated: excellent point, and it would be good to see the Minister thank and congratulate north-east England: although “At the extreme, local pay in theory could mean devolved pay…to local bodies. In practice, extremely devolved arrangements in the rest of the country the manufacturing economy is are not desirable. There are risks of workers being treated differently in the doldrums, the north-east is bucking that trend. for no good reason. There could be dangers of leapfrogging and Workers in the steel and chemical processing industries parts of the public sector competing against each other for the would undoubtedly be affected by any reduction in best staff.” public sector pay. That is the basic, fundamental reason why devolution of levels of pay in the public sector has not been Phil Wilson: My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and introduced. those workers will soon be joined by workers in the train building sector, in the factory in Newton Aycliffe. This is a time of austerity. Public sector pay has been As I understand, the north-east exports more manufacturing restricted and will not be increased for two years, and goods than it imports. then it will increase by just 1% for two years. Let us look at markets in the north-east of England; if we had The private sector has a major role to play, and we devolved local pay bargaining, people might say that need an increase in private sector jobs. At the moment, pay should be frozen in that region for another year however, 67,000 public sector jobs have been lost in because of the difference between the public and private north-east England, and unemployment has risen to sectors. Do the Government believe that public sector 11.6%. Where are the private sector jobs? How can we workers in some parts of the country should have a pay say that the public sector is crowding out private sector rise, while those in other places should not receive one, jobs when unemployment is rising and there is no because, according to Government analysis, the pay growth to make up for the loss of 67,000 public sector difference between the public and private sectors is jobs? Figures from the third quarter of last year show too big? that the number of private sector jobs in the UK increased by only 5,000. Many regions such as the We should not look at only one region. The difference north-east are losing out. in pay in the north-east and in the south-east of England I am very worried about what will happen. There is a is 10%, and we should try to decrease that. Why is it big pay differential between the south-east and the rest right for a nurse working at St Thomas’ hospital, across of the country. The differential between regions other the way from here, to be on a different pay rate from a than the south-east is minor; it is only 1% or 2%, nurse who works at the university hospital of North depending on what goods we compare. We talk about Tees in my constituency, or in Bishop Auckland or social mobility, and about people getting on and wanting Hartlepool? I cannot see how that can be right if both to move to different parts of the country; how will that nurses are doing the same job. Many private sector be possible if pay rates are so different across the companies, especially supermarkets and some banks country? such as Santander, have national pay agreements. There may be some flexibility within those agreements, but Also, we will not create regions as we know them; we they have national pay systems. To say that some public will create silos. If people work in the public sector in sector workers should suffer austerity measures for the north-east, that is where they will have to work, longer than others because of where they live is divisive. because if they want to move to south-east England or How can we encourage a public sector worker to move somewhere else, they probably will not be able to afford from south-east England to the north-east to do exactly to buy a house there. There is great difficulty with that the same job if the rates of pay in the north-east are at the moment. Let us not forget that in London, where completely different from those in London? there is London weighting, there is a big problem with recruitment in the public sector as well. Tom Blenkinsop: My hon. Friend makes an excellent The proposal is a knee-jerk reaction that has not been case. There are institutionalised national bodies that thought through. I know that the Chancellor of the survey and assess prices in supermarkets. How on earth Exchequer has said that this will not be regional pay as would regionalised public sector pay work in an economy perhaps it was outlined in the past, and that it will be with five or six big supermarkets that are supposed to based on zones or localities. That may be so, and it may have national rates for pricing their goods? have been tried out in the Courts Service; let us say that it has been tried there. The fundamental point is that Phil Wilson: My hon. Friend raises an important the previous Government did not want to implement it point. One reason why the previous Government did anywhere else, because they knew about the inherent not introduce such measures is because the complexity contradictions involved in doing that. of having different pay bodies, boards and regions North-east England is a great place to live. I have would create unnecessary bureaucracy, which any lived there all my life. I see it as a region of the country Government should want to keep to a minimum. with a great identity. I do not want it to become a silo, 17WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 18WH such that if people work there in the public sector, they changes in public sector pensions; and 710,000 public cannot work anywhere else. I do not want public sector sector workers, up from the 400,000 previously admitted workers in north-east England to have to face extended to, are waiting to see whether they will be in a job at the periods of austerity because they happen to be working end of this spending period. in the wrong part of the country. Against that backdrop, there was the bombshell in We need to look at the private sector. I want private the Chancellor’s autumn statement that regional pay sector jobs to come to the north-east of England, and I will be re-examined. The Chancellor said that the evidence want those private sector jobs to have good pay rates. suggests that regional pay should be considered, because This week and over the weekend, every party has been there are disparities between pay bands in the public going on about high pay among senior executives. Okay, sector across the UK. As we know, the Chancellor is let us consider that, but let us also consider low pay in very keen on evidence-based policy, so I thought that I the private sector and not just in the public sector, would assess the evidence in respect of regional pay to because private sector workers make up the majority of date, because we have some experience of it. workers in the country. The answer to the problem is not regional pay or localised pay—it is a living wage for London weighting is well established. It is a means of all our people. trying to deal with the problems, particularly in respect of housing, for people working in London on lower public sector wages. The previous Government sought 10.32 am to expand that by looking at key worker status and Owen Smith (Pontypridd) (Lab): It is a pleasure to further help for key workers in London. As several hon. speak under your chairmanship for the first time, Members have said today, and as the Chancellor said Mr Chope; happy new year. repeatedly when he appeared before the Select Committee on the Treasury, we also have the experience of the I, too, offer my congratulations to the hon. Member Courts Service. However, the Chancellor has been slightly for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards) less than fair with the facts in respect of the Courts on securing this important debate, which, as he has Service. The fact is that the Courts Service changes that rightly pointed out, will be one of the defining debates were introduced in 2008—the previous Labour Government in respect of economic policy over the coming period. introduced zonal pay and five zones across the UK—were He made a series of telling and well argued points. It a significant improvement on the disparities that existed was slightly ironic to hear a nationalist Member of the hitherto. The Courts Service came together in 2005. House arguing in effect in favour of collective bargaining There was a merger involving the magistrates courts, on a national, British basis right across the UK. the county courts, the Crown court and the Supreme Nevertheless, it was a very interesting point. Court. Before that point, more than 50 rates of pay were being applied across the Courts Service, so we Jonathan Edwards: I make no apologies for what I went from 50 to five. The reality is that despite protestations said, because at the moment sovereignty over these by some of the unions at the time, most members issues resides in this place, and as someone who has happily opted into that service; indeed, more than 95% been sent here to represent the ordinary working people did so. of Carmarthenshire, I will continue to do so as long as that is the case. Opposition Members, who believe in evidence-based policy, would like the Government properly to review the experience of workers in the Courts Service. They Owen Smith: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for should consider retention, rates of pay and the way in that intervention and pleased that he makes no apologies which the system has facilitated movement or otherwise for what he said. I entirely agree with the arguments across the country, and bring that to the table as part of that he made in respect of solidarity and collaboration the evidence for the current proposal. right across the UK for people who have similar interests across Britain, whichever area of the country they live in. I wholeheartedly share his views about that, which is Glyn Davies: It has become fashionable for Opposition why I am a Unionist, not a nationalist, on today of all Members to disown the policies of the previous days. Government and, in fact, to disown their own policies I congratulate the hon. Member for Arfon (Hywel at the start of this Government. I have listened to the Williams), my hon. Friends the Members for Newcastle hon. Member for Pontypridd (Owen Smith), who has upon Tyne Central (Chi Onwurah) and for Sedgefield discussed the five regional zones and evidence-based (Phil Wilson), who made a powerful speech, and of policy. He has described the current proposal as a course the hon. Member for Montgomeryshire (Glyn bombshell, which indicates to me that he has no interest Davies), who I am delighted is taking up the challenge in the results of the inquiry. All we are hearing is of telling the Secretary of State for Wales and the knee-jerk opposition to make a point before we have Chancellor of the Exchequer that we need a proper even heard the facts. review to address this very complex issue—as he described it—as opposed to a couple of private letters to the Owen Smith: For the third time, I have to tell the hon. heads of the national pay review bodies. Member for Montgomeryshire that there is no inquiry. Public sector workers must wake up every morning A couple of letters have gone from the Chancellor to wondering what this Government will do to them next. the heads of the pay review bodies asking them to come We have seen the continuing pay freeze; we have seen forward with evidence on how local pay might reflect additional cuts in wages when inflation is taken into local market conditions, which is not an open inquiry. I account for the next two years; we have seen the 3% thought that the hon. Gentleman had taken up the additional effective cut in wages as a result of the challenge to appeal for an inquiry. 19WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 20WH

[Owen Smith] Let us look at what happened at the Courts Service and consider where we go from here, because there are The world has changed since the policies were significant risks. At the time, the Government, and implemented in 2008 on the Courts Service, which took certainly the Treasury, understood that there were risks. place in an economy that was growing right across the My hon. Friend the Member for Sedgefield has mentioned UK. The world has changed. When the facts change, we the Treasury paper in 2004-05, which stated that reconsider our views, and we are doing that right now. “extremely devolved arrangements are not desirable. There are We are thinking about the meaning of the Government’s risks of workers being treated differently for no good reason. proposals on regional pay and what the evidence shows There could be dangers of leapfrogging and parts of the public us. We will come to a considered view when we know sector competing against each other for the best staff.” what the Government are proposing, but let us look at That takes us to the motive: why have the Government the evidence. now decided to bring this forward? If it was not a good Of course, it was a previous Tory Chancellor, in the idea a few years ago, why is it a good idea now? The 1990s, who first talked about introducing regional pay reason is, of course, found in the two issues that they on a much wider scale. What happened in the NHS? have with the public and private sectors. First, they Local bits of the NHS were given the right to conduct believe in a totally outmoded, almost Manichean split—the local bargaining, but they lacked the necessary experience public sector is bad, bloated and inefficient and the and were unable properly to assess local market conditions. private sector is good, lean, hungry and eager to work. As a consequence, there was more than a year’s delay That is their understanding. before regional pay bands were set. When regional pay Secondly, the Government have a thoroughly outmoded bands were set, the differential across the country was notion that cutting the public sector and effectively 0.1%. The rationale for that was, of course, that managers forcing people to transfer to the private sector—through understood that, given the problems and complexity actively cutting jobs, as we heard was the strategy in the that widespread differentials would throw up, a collective Budget, or through reducing regional pay, as we now agreement right across the country was the best possible hear might be the strategy—will somehow inflate the option. The Chancellor agreed, and a year later he took private sector. There is absolutely no evidence to support back the power, concerned that there might have been that. It is a totally misguided prescription, and one I spiralling costs had the situation continued. fear that the Government will repeat. The Treasury has said that the reason for looking at Hywel Williams: Will the hon. Gentleman give way? getting rid of national pay bargaining is to produce “an economic reform to boost regions of the economy that are Owen Smith: I will give way in a moment. over-dependent on the public sector. All the evidence is that NHS trusts have the capacity to engage in a greater flexible public sector pay to reflect local labour market conditions degree of differentiation, but by and large they do not will allow the private sector to flourish.” do so, because they accept that it would be unfair and Show us the money and show us the evidence, because lead to unintended consequences. We saw some such we cannot see it at the moment. We can see a pamphlet unintended consequences when the police looked into with a lot of inflammatory language about the Manichean regional pay. In the London Metropolitan area, there split between the fat public sector and the lean and was an agreement a few years ago to offer a much hungry private sector from a think-tank which is pretty higher rate of pay to Metropolitan police officers. The close to the Prime Minister and which some would say unintended consequence was that officers transferred in is a free-market, right-wing organisation, but apart droves from the areas around central London, and from that I do not see a lot of evidence to support the outer metropolitan boroughs consequently had to set position. higher rates themselves. Such a policy leads to unintended I suspect that the Minister will come out with some consequences and involves significant risks, so the inflammatory comparisons, but I hope that she will not. Government need to think carefully before they We have heard so often about paramedics earning 16% pursue it. more in the public sector than in the private sector, and I hope that we will not hear such unnecessary and Hywel Williams: I do not want dwell on the policies unfair comparisons now. As the Institute for Fiscal of the previous Government, because I think that those Studies itself has said, such comparisons do not take of the current one are infinitely more damaging, but into account the fact that there are invariably older and before we leave 2008, will the hon. Gentleman confirm more experienced workers with better qualifications in that the previous Government were not considering the public sector. When such factors are taken into regional pay in any other part of the public sector apart account, the differential between the public sector and from HM Courts Service? Was it just the Courts Service? their private sector counterparts is perhaps only 2%.

Owen Smith: The hon. Gentleman knows that I was Jonathan Edwards: The hon. Gentleman makes a not in the House in 2008, but as far as I am aware, we very important point. This morning, the Bevan Foundation introduced the policy in the Courts Service and there responded to the debate by stating that the IFS figures was further consideration. The former Prime Minister, do not compare like with like and that it is deeply my right hon. Friend the Member for Kirkcaldy and misleading to use the figures in that way. Cowdenbeath (Mr Brown), certainly talked about regional pay, but we did not introduce it in other areas. At the Owen Smith: I entirely agree. The evidence is shaky end of our period in government, there had been some and a leap of faith is required—just as we were meant to experimentation in respect of the Courts Service, but believe that cutting the public sector would lead to a we did not introduce the policy elsewhere. flourishing private sector. As we have heard, there is no 21WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 22WH reasonable basis for making that leap of faith. On job could be within local areas. That has a knock-on effect creation in the public versus private sector, we learned on what the public sector can do with its remaining that in the last quarter, for every 13 jobs lost in the budget, which has a further knock-on effect on the public sector, only one was created in the private sector. number of jobs that the public sector can support. That is the reality of what is happening in the economy. Hywel Williams: To the contrary, given the problems We should not take, with any degree of faith, the of mobility of public service workers, which would Government’s reassurances that changing regional pay inevitably arise with regional pay, what consideration will make a key difference. are the Government giving to the direction of labour in On both sides of the House, we have come to understand the public sector? that fairness is an important theme in modern politics. In politics, we seem to be tussling daily over who can be Miss Smith: If I have understood that correctly, it is the fairest, and the Government have to stand against about what definition the Government are giving to the test of fairness on this issue. They need to answer labour in the market. I beg the hon. Gentleman’s pardon— the question whether it is fair to target public sector Hywel Williams: The direction of labour. It is a good workers once more to pick up the bill for a crisis in our old-fashioned socialist policy. economy that they did not cause. Is it fair for the Government to implement a policy that will once more Miss Smith: Absolutely—which I am clearly not ready impact disproportionately on less affluent areas that for at 10 to 11 on a Tuesday morning. have greater health problems due to the legacy of heavy The point that I was going to make, which is the most industry and other issues? Is it fair to implement a important one that I want to leave behind in this debate, policy that will suck demand out of their economies is that the Government have set out no detailed proposals and further reduce the incomes of people living there? at this stage. As I think all hon. Members know, the proposal that has been made so far, through the autumn The Government have a manifestly failing economic statement and subsequently, is only to ask the experts strategy to reduce the deficit that has led, on their how public sector pay might better reflect local markets. admission, to an increased level of borrowing— I, for one, do not have a problem with that being done £158 billion extra is being borrowed as a result of the by letter. I hear what hon. Members have said about their policy. That is why they are thrashing around that. However, I am also particularly delighted that the looking for extra savings and why they are countenancing hon. Member for Pontypridd changes his mind when further unfair and destructive measures. They need to facts change. I hope that in this case also he will wait for think hard about the policy, conduct a proper review the evidence. and provide evidence to substantiate their dangerous claims. Owen Smith: Does the Minister accept that the Chancellor has clearly indicated that he is in favour of the reform? He spoke before the Treasury Committee, 10.47 am and no one can be in any doubt that he thinks it is a The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Miss Chloe good idea. Smith): Happy new year, Mr Chope. I am sure that it is Miss Smith: It is perfectly possible to think that an honour for us all to take part in the first debate of something is a good idea and then to ask experts how it 2012, so let us enjoy ourselves for that reason. I thank could happen. the hon. Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards) for securing what has been a thorough Helen Goodman: Does the Minister therefore accept and interesting debate. It might not be a new debate, as that all that has happened is that the Chancellor has my hon. Friend the Member for Montgomeryshire (Glyn asked how the idea could be implemented and how it Davies) said, but it is extremely important none the less. would work and that no consideration is being given to The policy is not about saving money—I shall pause the proposal’s overall economic impact? for the hon. Member for Pontypridd (Owen Smith) to Miss Smith: The best possibility of dealing with the draw breath—but about supporting economic growth, overall economic impact will be when facts and data and I will go through the reasons why the Government have been received. That is the point of the process that believe that the policy could do that. A simple fact of the Chancellor has laid out. life that needs to enter the debate is that public and To move on to the content that we need to get private sector organisations compete for employees in through, hon. Members should be in no doubt about different markets across the UK. There is no way around how important the public sector is and about the fact that fact. Equally, there is no way around the fact that that the Government share that view and the desire for private sector pay is, on the whole, set locally and that all parts of the economy to do well in the coming years. public sector pay is usually set nationally. I will set out However, fiscal consolidation is a vital precondition for two effects that those differences can have before going growth and part of the sustainable foundation that will on to the meat of the debate. let all sectors and all parts of industry do well and do The differences can do three things. First, they can what they need to. It is also part of achieving even hurt private sector businesses that have to compete in growth across the country. It is right that public sector certain places with higher public sector wages. Secondly, pay restraint should play a part in that fiscal consolidation. they can also lead to unfair variations in the quality of Public servants do a crucial job in delivering the high-quality public services—something on which I am sure that we services that we all look for, and it is right that we would all have more to say, had we another hour and continue to offer the kind of rewards that attract the half in which to debate it. Thirdly—this is crucial—if a most skilled people to the public sector. However, it is higher than locally desirable wage bill is set, public incontrovertible that public sector wages on average sector money is not always allocated as effectively as it continue to compare extremely generously to those of 23WH Regional Pay (Public Sector)10 JANUARY 2012 Regional Pay (Public Sector) 24WH

[Miss Chloe Smith] for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman). I shall be absolutely clear about who will be included in the scope private sector workers. The Institute of Fiscal Studies, of the relevant body: it will be the NHS, excluding which has already featured in the debate, suggested that doctors and dentists—again, to respond to a point there is on average a 7.5% premium to working in the made by the hon. Lady—and it will include teachers, public sector over comparable jobs in the private sector. prison officers and the senior civil service. To respond That makes a strong case for public sector pay bill to the hon. Member for Middlesbrough South and East restraint. Cleveland (Tom Blenkinsop), it will not include the I want to discuss the rationale for the policy suggestion police, who, as he knows, will be subject to the Winsor that has been made and the Chancellor’s effort to seek review. views on how it can be carried out. We must ensure that The Minister for the Cabinet Office will co-ordinate public sector pay is set at the right level for each labour and assist Secretaries of State in exploring how local, market in the long term. I want to make it clear again market-facing pay could be introduced in civil service that the proposals are not about generating savings, but Departments. As to the devolved Administrations, public about supporting economic growth by ensuring that sector pay in devolved areas is a matter for them, except wages are set at the level in individual localities. Indeed, for those areas where workers are covered by a national a significant reason for the disparity between public and pay review body. That said, we are keen to see local private sector pay is due, as I have mentioned, to the market-facing pay introduced across the UK, and we difference between pay that is set locally and pay that is urge all devolved Administrations to consider issuing set nationally. Typically, private sector pay is more separate remits for the relevant pay review bodies within subject to the rates paid by local competitors, the local devolved areas. cost of living and perhaps, in some cases, local turnover The hon. Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr rates. However, public sector pay is usually set on a asked me about an impact assessment on how the one-size-fits-all basis nationally. Accordingly, public sector approach taken in the Courts Service turned out. Very workers can often be paid more than private sector speedily, I can offer him a couple of points about what workers in similar jobs in the same area. That has happened across that experience. First, staff adoption potentially damaging consequences for the economy. was at 97% over a year later. Secondly and more broadly, For example, private sector businesses, perhaps such as analysis conducted after the reforms showed that the the one that my hon. Friend the Member for majority of locations had a healthy turnover and that Montgomeryshire once ran, which are looking for staff the Ministry of Justice was able to recruit and retain to help them to set up or grow, need to compete with staff throughout the country. He also asked me about much higher public sector wages in the same area. That the Office for Budget Responsibility costs of the public is the ultimate crowding-out argument within the debate. sector work force. If he would let me have that question I want to refer briefly to the system of zonal pay in in writing, in more detail, so that I can answer him as the Courts Service, which has been mentioned. It accurately as I can, I would be happy to do so; but I demonstrates that it is possible for pay to be responsive must finish a couple of other points in a very short time. to local labour markets within a national bargaining Public sector pay restraint and reforms to local pay framework. Of course, those zones did not simply conform policy are a key step to supporting local economic to regional boundaries, but took into account the local recovery and growth. Indeed, supporting regional private economy by, for example, putting Norwich, Exeter and sector growth has been at the heart of the Government’s Newcastle in the same zone. The debate has a misnomer growth strategy. Hon. Members may want to consider, at its heart. In the autumn statement, the Chancellor for example, the £30 billion of investment in infrastructure announced local pay, not regional pay, so we are not projects across the UK set out in the autumn statement, talking about something that might take effect at the enterprise zones and the regional growth fund. We need level of Wales. We are talking about something that to look at the aims and the areas and communities that may, depending on what the experts say, happen at a are dependent so far on the public sector to support lower level. them in making the transition to private sector-led growth and prosperity. Phil Wilson: How local is local? Hon. Members have rightly talked about the need for fairness. As we all know, many families face difficult Miss Smith: I will just have to repeat myself on this prospects. That is why the Government have taken point: depending on what the experts say, it will be at a practical steps to provide support, including—as the more local level. That is what I, for one, look forward to hon. Member for Newcastle upon Tyne Central (Chi from those experts, as, no doubt, do all those people Onwurah) will welcome—having gained more from a who like facts. tax on bankers every year than the previous Government The Government are not setting out detailed and did in a single year. She will also welcome the protections prescriptive proposals. The hon. Member for Sedgefield for the lowest paid during the public sector pay freeze, (Phil Wilson) would no doubt like me to give a quote, the deferring of January’s scheduled fuel duty increase but I shall not give him that pleasure this morning. and the decisions that have lifted more than 1 million Public sector work forces have a variety of pay structures, out of income tax altogether. as has been mentioned. The Chancellor has therefore The Government have already taken considerable written to the independent pay review bodies to ask action to achieve strong, sustainable and balanced growth them to consider how to make public sector pay more that is more evenly shared across the country. By moving responsive to local labour markets. They will report towards local public sector pay, we can ensure that we back with interim findings by July. That will include have high-quality public services across the UK and do union evidence, to answer the question of the hon. Member not crowd out private sector recovery. 25WH 10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 26WH

History Teaching Chris Skidmore: I was going to get on to another figure. In 159 schools, not a single pupil is being entered for history GCSE, which includes academies and 11 am comprehensives—it is roughly balanced between the two. We must have an honest debate about the curriculum. Chris Skidmore (Kingswood) (Con): I thank the Speaker The national curriculum in the 1990s intended to make for selecting this subject for debate and am grateful to history compulsory to 16, and we should be looking to have a second opportunity to talk about history in do that in academies, comprehensives and all other schools. When I raised the topic during the Christmas schools. Adjournment debate, I said that if I were to choose one Christmas present, it would be to make history compulsory Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): Is it my hon. Friend’s to the age of 16 in schools. I might have been a bit too intention to make sure that every student studies history hasty in making that wish, however, because the national until GCSE level? If students are taking GCSEs, which curriculum review is set to continue for another two presumably most of them are, they will therefore take years. history at GCSE, which is something that I totally Today is a good opportunity for Members to discuss support. the teaching of history in schools and whether it should be compulsory to the age of 16, as it is in most other Chris Skidmore: I want history to be compulsory in countries in Europe. As I said in the Adjournment some form to 16. I will come on to the important issue debate, it is a mark of shame that we, along with of the qualification later. Just as maths, English and Albania, are the only European country that does not science are compulsory in all schools, so too should teach history in some form beyond the age of 14. history. Education is about not simply providing skills, In the Adjournment debate, I mentioned a report knowledge and requirements for jobs, professions and that I have written, “History in Schools: A School universities—or whatever route or career a pupil may Report”. I am happy to give a copy to any Member who decide to take—but creating a canon of knowledge. I is interested in reading it; the Minister already has one want every pupil to leave school not only with the basics to hand. Essentially, my report highlights the state of but with an understanding of the basic principles of our history in schools today, and it does not seek to make constitution and history. They should have a rounded party political points. In 1997, a paltry 36% of pupils education and history plays a vital role in that. studied history GCSE. Last year, the number dropped below 30% to 29.5%. Those figures, however, hide what Kevin Brennan: By what mechanism would the hon. is happening with history across the country. Instead of Gentleman like to make history compulsory in academies, uniting us as one nation and allowing us to have a given that academies are exempt from the national coherent national identity, the subject has divided us curriculum? into two nations of haves and have-nots. In my report, I break down all the figures by local Chris Skidmore: I am startled by the hon. Gentleman’s authority and show the number of pupils taking and response. He was a Minister once. passing history at GCSE. In 77 local authorities, fewer than one in five pupils is passing history GCSE. However, Kevin Brennan: And a teacher. the situation is even worse than that. In local authorities such as Knowsley, fewer than 8% of pupils are passing history GCSE. Chris Skidmore: The hon. Gentleman knows very well that although academies are exempt from other subjects in the national curriculum, pupils still have to Sir Bob Russell (Colchester) (LD): The hon. Gentleman study maths, English and science. Those subjects are has given us the headlines. Does he share my concern compulsory, and academies are bound by law in academy that at local history level, the figures are even worse? frameworks and agreements to provide them. Under my Pupils do not know what has gone on historically in proposals, history would be included in the same way. their own local areas. Kevin Brennan: In the agreement? Chris Skidmore: I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and I will come on to that topic later. First, as a good Chris Skidmore: Yes. Let me take a few more historian, I want to set out a narrative of what has gone interventions. on in the country so far and then to debate what we should do about it. I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman that local history should feature more prominently in Rehman Chishti (Gillingham and Rainham) (Con): I the curriculum, but more on that anon. congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this very important debate. I studied history at A-level. Let me suggest In 77 local authorities, fewer than one in five pupils is where we should go from here. Certain schools, such as passing history GCSE. In one local authority, Knowsley, Chatham grammar school where I am currently a governor, the figure has gone down to 8%, with just four pupils have now brought in the E-bac system in which the out of 2,000 passing history A-level. humanities, history or geography, have to be taken by students up to the age of 16 for GCSE. That is the way Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) (Lab): Let me understand forward. Under this Government, people are being what the hon. Gentleman is proposing. Does he think pushed to take history and there is a recognition of its that the teaching of history post-14 should be compulsory importance in our curriculum and in our understanding in academies? of our country. 27WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 28WH

Chris Skidmore: The E-bac is a welcome development, pupils themselves history will only be as good as the but we must go further. When looking at grammar teachers who teach it, which is obviously a crucial issue. schools and selective schools, it is interesting to look We all remember our great teachers when we were at beneath the statistics. In comprehensive schools in 1997, school. I had great history teachers, which was one 169,298 pupils took history GCSE. That figure has now reason why I ended up on the road to becoming a dropped to 155,982. [Interruption.] The hon. Member historian before I entered this place. for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman) is chuntering. The Ofsted report, “History for all”, showed that Would she like to say something? history teaching was “good” or “outstanding” in 63 out of the 83 primary schools that Ofsted assessed, and Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab): Will the “good” or “outstanding” in 59 out of 83 secondary hon. Gentleman tell us why there has been this decline schools that it assessed. Nevertheless, the report expressed in the study of history? What is his analysis of why this genuine concerns about the quality of the subject training has come about? Is it to do with the interest of the for teachers. pupils? Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): I congratulate the Chris Skidmore: The decline has been a slow one. I do hon. Gentleman on bringing this issue to Westminster not wish to make party political points during this Hall today. As he has said, history is not just about debate. David Cannadine’s excellent new book, “The dates and events, because it is about more than those Right Kind of History”, shows that these debates have things. It is also about learning the lessons of lives that been going round in circles since the early part of the were well lived and the lessons of lives that were poorly 20th century and that lamenting the decline of history lived, and perhaps about telling the difference between is nothing new. What is new is that we are competing in the two. Does he agree that education in history is much an international market against other countries, the more important than just teaching the facts, figures and pupils of which are being rigorously taught and assessed dates of history? in all subjects and are driving forward in a way that our pupils are not. Chris Skidmore: One of the reasons why I wanted to There are some schools in which pupils take history secure this debate was to try to get some form of to 16. My hon. Friend the Member for Gillingham and agreement and to have a discussion about more than the Rainham (Rehman Chishti) has mentioned a grammar nature of history. We can talk about “what” history or school in his constituency. It is of interest to me that “whose”history—whether it is local or national history— while the numbers taking history GCSE have been and we need to talk about history in terms of the declining in comprehensive schools, they have been curriculum and examinations, but let us start from a increasing in grammar schools since 1997. Although we baseline that we can never deny, namely “why” history. have 29.5% of pupils in comprehensive schools taking Historians have probably come at things from the wrong history GCSE, we have 55% of pupils in grammar end, in that they are, as Isaiah Berlin would have put it, schools taking history and 48% in independent schools. foxes rather than hedgehogs. We often focus on the The gap between grammar schools and comprehensive minutiae, and so we start focusing on what should be in schools in terms of the proportion of pupils who are the curriculum and how we should frame it without taking history GCSE has increased from 17.4% in 1997 coming to an agreement that we should have history to to 24.9% in 2010, which is a real problem. The growing 16, as most other countries in the world do. That is divide in education is no longer just about standards in where I want to get to, and then let us fill out things and different parts of the country but about the subjects colour in the blanks. that we choose to take at school. I worry how that will affect our national identity. Rehman Chishti: I want to follow the question put by the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon). With Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con): I regard to teaching history, it is linked to the use of thank my hon. Friend for securing this debate and essays, in promoting critical thinking, vocabulary and pursuing the topic. Does he agree that part of the one’s communication skills. Nowadays, however, modern decline began in the 1970s? Let me declare an interest assessments are much shorter and therefore essays are here; I was a teacher in the 1970s. History teachers were not used, so the communication skills and increased almost compelled to change the nature of what they vocabulary that a student would otherwise have got were teaching to encompass what is known today as the from writing history essays are not there. schools history project. Instead of teaching the narrative, teachers were forced to try to teach 11, 12 and 13-year-olds Chris Skidmore: That is a very good point. When we to become historians. What happened then was a loss of look at the curriculum and the historical content that is confidence and interest in what history teachers were being taught, at the moment history teaching obviously trying to do. finishes for most people at 14. The problem with that approach is that trying to fit into the syllabus the broad Chris Skidmore: When we look at the nature of the span of British history becomes almost impossible and curriculum itself, we see that there have been historical in fact we get a situation where, instead of having a problems. My hon. Friend was a secondary school narrative and chronological approach, there is a sort of history teacher before he entered this House and therefore “Dr Who” time travel fantasy of going from the Tudors has a wealth of experience—probably more than me—of back to ancient Egypt, forward to the Romans and then what actually happens in schools with teaching history. to the Victorians. As a Tudor historian myself, I know He also knows that, although we may talk about the that the wars of the roses are rarely taught in schools. curriculum and assessment and examination structures, Equally, I see that we have a civil war historian in our if we are going to make history compulsory to 16, for midst today, the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central 29WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 30WH

(Tristram Hunt), and he will probably agree that the year! This is the first debate for me in this new parliamentary protectorate is rarely taught in schools and neither is term. We should come to a common conclusion and the Glorious Revolution. Unless students have some common ground, so that we can discuss what should be broad form of a chronology, it is impossible for teachers in the history curriculum and what type of examination to get across a genuine interest in history. If history is we should have. We cannot deny that there is a serious taught in bite-sized chunks, we are not only doing problem in our nation. As I said earlier, a subject that history a disservice but history students, because they should unite us as one nation is becoming a subject for cannot understand the very framework of history itself. two nations—the haves and have-nots, or whatever one We need to look at that issue, and I believe that wants to call them. In certain areas of the country, making history compulsory to 16 would aid that process history is becoming a dead subject in schools. I want of creating a chronology, because for the first time we that situation to end, and I therefore propose that would then be able to integrate key stage 3 and key history should be compulsory in schools until the age stage 4. When we were at school, we actually learned of 16. more British history in key stage 3 and even in key stage 2 than we did later on. At the moment, I am 11.17 am writing a book about the battle of Bosworth, an event that is a compulsory part of the curriculum in key Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab): Thank stage 2; students have to learn the dates, the framework you very much indeed, Mr Chope, for allowing me to and what happened then. However, the battle of Bosworth speak. I congratulate the hon. Member for Kingswood is not part of key stage 3; instead, in key stage 3 (Chris Skidmore) on securing this valuable debate, which students go back again to the mediaeval period. I think has really put into practice his excellent skills of research, that key stage 3 covers the iron age to mediaeval times, data analysis, econometrics and geography. All those with no reference to the Anglo-Saxons or to the Vikings. skills have been brought together today, showing that he We need to look at that issue. We should leave the detail is a superb historian. up to the national curriculum review within the framework It seems to me that what we are discussing today is of history being compulsory up to the age of 16. not really geography; we are discussing the two-nation divide in terms not of the north and south, but of a Helen Goodman: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman class divide, based on the traditional Disraelian notion for giving way to me for a second time. I am interested of two nations. in the examples that he has given, because the interesting I agree with the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim thing about Britain and our modern identity is surely Shannon) that history has a particular locus and place the fact that, for the past four centuries, our history has within schools. In many ways, I was opposed to the been an imperial one and that is one of the most push under the last Government for citizenship teaching, important things about Britain. I am not denying that because it seemed to me that, first, citizenship teaching 1066 matters, but the hon. Gentleman did not mention took a chunk out of the syllabus and more often than that whole imperial period, and he needs to foreground it. not history teachers were forced to teach citizenship and that, secondly, we should teach citizenship through Chris Skidmore: Yes—absolutely. I now want to talk history. A study of the past is the best mechanism for about the GCSE itself with that point in mind, because understanding one’s role in the present. Obviously, one we currently have a situation where students stop studying can divert into the constitution, the judiciary and all the history as a compulsory subject at the end of key rest in terms of the modern world, but in terms of stage 3, and then some pupils start their history GCSE understanding both our place as citizens and the role as an option. However, the GCSE itself does not necessarily of Britain, it seems to me that history is the best place to focus on British history; often it focuses on the Third do that. At one point, we actually had a review that said Reich and Stalin’s Russia. There is also the schools we should teach history as part of citizenship, which history project, which is the history of medicine, but seemed to me to get things slightly the wrong way round. that is a very narrow subject to be assessed on. As we have heard, history is also a very effective Although we can debate what should be in the academic subject. The Education Secretary likes to curriculum, we cannot get away from the fact that in draw on the case of Mark Zuckerberg studying ancient our age examination and assessment drive learning in Hebrew and then founding Facebook, but one can also schools. In addition to history being made compulsory point to many innovative entrepreneurs, successful public to 16, what we need is a narrative British history GCSE servants and business people who studied history and that teaches the whole span of British history, and our benefited from the rigours that studying history brings. imperial history to boot, right up to whatever we would It seems to me that the subject is not necessarily in like to call the cut-off period of history. Such a GCSE crisis. The hon. Member for Kingswood mentioned would give pupils the option to study in depth every David Cannadine’s new book, which points to this period of British history and to be assessed on their perpetual debate about the nature of history and, without knowledge of those periods. Again, I do not want to say being too partisan on the first day back after the break, what the exact nature of the exam for such a GCSE I suggest that this is a crisis within the Conservative would be, and a lot of work would need to go into party. The party likes to talk about the teaching of preparing it. However, the GCSE in its current form Britishness and of British history and our understanding does not allow narrative British history to be taught. of it, partly because of its own various problems with So, in addition to making history compulsory to 16, we the nature of modern Britain, and it retreats into a also need qualification reform. debate about the teaching of British history often, it I will conclude now, as I am sure that other Members seems, as a vehicle for other more contemporary debates. want to speak in this debate; I am delighted to see so Of course, historically, the role of history is to retreat many Members in Westminster Hall today—happy new into the past to analyse the present. 31WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 32WH

[Tristram Hunt] national cohesive story from if every school tells a different story about history and if every school is Figures for the take-up of history at GCSE level encouraged to talk to its own student make-up? The hover around 30% to 35%. The percentage has gone up Government have an interesting tension between a and down over the years, and I think it stands at around traditional conservative belief in a national narrative 33% at the moment. and their open-market approach to schools and what they teach. Chris Skidmore: I will send the hon. Gentleman a The problem is not the syllabus. Key stage 3 teaches copy of my report, so that he has the accurate figures. I empire, industrialisation and a narrative story of British came to this debate not wanting to make party political history. It is pretty a good syllabus if it is done well and, points, but the percentage has not hovered; it has gone crucially, if it is given the time, but the average 13-year-old down consistently every year in comprehensive schools in a British school gets only one hour a week to study since 1997, and it has just gone below 30%, which was history, and with such timetabling—only 33 or 34 hours partly the trigger for my calling this debate and writing a year—it might not be possible to develop the skills, the report. understanding and narrative. There are cries about there being no Nelson, Wellington or Churchill in the syllabus. Tristram Hunt: I am grateful for that intervention. I That is not true, but there needs to be the space and was referring to the national figures, and let me now context within which those characters and their history come on to the specificities of the hon. Gentleman’s can be taught. debate. History teachers do not regard the syllabus as the There seems to be a class divide—a worrying schism problem, and the old divide between skills and narrative in what our children are taught. As the hon. Gentleman is not so much the problem anymore either, because the suggested, it is more than the loss of an academic best history teachers combine them—one of the advantages subject; it is the loss of a patrimony and of a broader of modern information technology and teaching understanding of citizenship and identity. By not teaching mechanisms. It is exciting if teachers can get kids to use history in many of our disadvantaged communities, we the internet to look at mediaeval roles, the Magna Carta could be losing some brilliant future historians. We are or the Bill of Rights, and that also teaches a narrative very good at history in this country. Indeed, we are history. often accused of being too obsessed with the past, but we produce a good number of scholars, often from Chris Skidmore: Ofsted’s “History for all” report disadvantaged backgrounds. found that the quality of subject training for teachers Over the past 10 to 15 years, we have faced an was inadequate in one in three schools and that teachers unacceptable shunting of children from disadvantaged in those schools did not fully appreciate progression in communities away from academic subjects and, more historical thinking. often than not, on to semi-vocational ones. That has boosted grades for schools but has sold these kids, who Tristram Hunt: The hon. Gentleman makes a very have wanted to go on to sixth form and university, a good point. We all know that inspired and inspiring pup. There has been an ethos that in certain communities teachers are key. With numeracy and literacy over the such subjects are too difficult, and that has presaged past 10 years, it seems that in certain circumstances league table results. teachers got bored and that children could sense it. If We can all relate anecdotes of young people being teachers are not inspired and children are not inspired pushed away from subjects that they should be encouraged by them, we do not get the learning, and we need much to take up. We need a rethink. We are all in favour of more focus on ensuring that teachers are inspired and proper training in vocational subjects, but it should that they are up to date with the latest scholarship and come after a detailed and solid academic training. That understand progression. is the German model, and the Alison Wolf report In Stoke-on-Trent, I would like to get Keele and importantly suggested that we should get the grounding Staffordshire universities together with the local teachers right and then allow young people to make the decision to ensure that the latter are up to date with the scholarship about which way to go, with either businesses taking on and are still inspired by it. As my hon. Friend the the training or it being continued in schools. Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan) said, if a We should not shunt children from disadvantaged teacher is inspiring—as he was in his classroom—the communities off academic subjects; nor should we allow children come alive, and are passionate and interested schools to merge history and geography into a humanities in the subject. subject in which pupils appreciate no element of the I will end here because I know that many other discipline. That is particularly a problem in certain Members want to speak, and I apologise for doing so, academies, and Ministers are slightly shifty on the because I have to meet a constituent later this morning. subject, not least because it is very difficult to get data I am still in two minds about the push towards compulsory out of the academies about what is being taught. I have history to 16. I have an open mind about it. We risk tabled endless questions, which have been answered in damaging interest in pursuing the subject if we make it different ways, but it seems that in the push for league compulsory for huge swathes of children who are simply table results certain academies are disfranchising children. not interested. That will affect learning in the classroom. This also raises an interesting point about the ambition I appreciate the broader issue about history’s role in of the Secretary of State for Education for a national citizenship. I also understand the point about learning story of Britain and Britishness. If the Government’s and over-learning certain elements of our national past, policy is for ever greater pluralism in educational provision, such as the Third Reich and dictators. That has much to with free schools and academies, where will we get the do with the commerce of education. Once we have 33WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 34WH history textbooks and the machinery of learning, it is dates as though they were times tables. It is like having a difficult to get out of the rut of learning and teaching wardrobe full of coat hangers with no clothes hanging the same things over and again. It is challenging to get on them. I am not sure that I could recite the kings and undergraduates who are almost trauma victims, having queens of England with any great accuracy. studied the Third Reich three times, to appreciate broader Sir Lewis Namier identified elections as the locks on European or British history. the great canal of British history. He was right, but there is no point in being able to recite every significant Jim Shannon: When I was at school, I had the general election if we cannot talk about the water that opportunity to learn Irish history, which is probably flowed through those locks and the changes that came most unusual for a person from a Unionist tradition. It with them. I would love to see Sir Lewis Namier applying did not make me any less of a Unionist; indeed, it his comparative biography techniques to the current cemented my Unionism and made me stronger in my Government and Opposition Front Benchers. He might beliefs. That is an example. I learned something else, but show some interesting comparisons with what we remained a Unionist. occasionally read in the press. Nor should history be only about entertainment— Tristram Hunt: Those of us who are privileged to horrible histories, blood and gore, and who killed whom have read W. E. H. Lecky’s “A History of Ireland in the in the Tower of London. That is entertaining, but what Eighteenth Century” will know that, although we might does it teach us? I am not sure that it teaches us much, think that studying the history of Ireland will push us other than how to have fun. History is not about one way, it can take us in a very different direction. teleology, a national story or just a narrative, and it is I conclude by paying tribute to the hon. Member for certainly not about emoting. I despair when students Kingswood for his research and for bringing the matter who visit the House of Commons are asked to write to national prominence. Class and social division are an essays about what it might have felt like to be a roundhead, issue. We must ensure that schools in disadvantaged a cavalier or a soldier in the trenches and so on, but have communities and areas allow their pupils the opportunity no idea of the context of what they are being asked to to study history in all its wonderful manifestations. empathise with. If they are writing as a soldier in the trenches, they do not know why they are there, what led them there or the end result; it is all about empathising. 11.32 am I sometimes suspect that it is almost an excuse to go on Paul Maynard (Blackpool North and Cleveleys) (Con): a day trip to the Imperial War museum. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood History can be a useful tool. It should not just be (Chris Skidmore) on his well-chosen topic to start off about great men and personalities. I hold my hand up as the year. I am slightly in awe of the two fantastic being guilty of studying Weimar Germany for GCSE, historians in the room. It makes me rather nervous to A-level and my degree. By the time I took my degree, I offer any contribution, but in for a penny, in for a could almost recite the name of every Reichstag member pound is the only attitude to take. in 1932. That was not exactly helpful; it simply showed People with an interest in history cannot help realising that it is possible to end up as an anorak, knowing more that discussions about why we study it and what we and more about less and less. should study inspire more vitriol among the historian What we admire in good history writing or a good community and more ink on the pages of our opinion university history course is not necessarily what we magazines and newspapers than almost any other subject. should admire in a school syllabus. Often, it is hard to My hon. Friend has set his topic commendably wide, throw off what we acquired in our later years when but rather than rehearsing the undergraduate essays on thinking what we should be trying to achieve in our “Why study history?” that I wrote for my Oxbridge school system. I spent a happy Christmas indulging preparations, I will focus on why and how we should myself in the 24-hour existence of Carpatho-Ruthenia, study it. which lasted for most of my Boxing day reading. Although We all have a personal view on what history is, why it is a fantastic piece of historical research from Norman we study it and why we learn it. After 10 years of Davies, it is not something that I would want to inflict studying it, just as I was about to leave university, it on a group of 11-year-olds. finally taught me how to think properly—a useful lesson The question then becomes: should we compel certain that I like to think that I have carried with me into this periods or topics on a history syllabus? Do we believe place, although opponents may disagree. History is also that history has a didactic purpose? It is fair to say that a study of the consequences of human nature. As a many people who teach history have strong, often political subject, it is not unique in teaching us how to think views and that, naturally, part of what they want to properly, form an argument and judge and assess communicate to their pupils is an enthusiasm for the evidence—other topics can do that, too—but it brings topic and the period. I cannot remember a single one of an additional benefit: it comes with a body of knowledge my history teachers who did not allow a slight degree of that allows us to understand why we are where we are, political opinion to sneak out in whatever period they which is fundamental. were teaching. Perhaps that is understandable, and it is I realise that there are some, perhaps wishing to make not always a bad thing, but there are dangers in trying mischief, who define the Conservative party as a bunch to use school history teaching to communicate values. of conservatives with a small c obsessed by our narrative That is my big fear. Ultimately, history is not about history and constantly seeking that golden thread. That communicating values; it is about communicating skills. does not interest me. I would far rather focus on what The first, last and only time that I ever studied history should not consist of. I have no desire to see Anglo-Saxon history was during my first week at secondary children sitting in a classroom chanting their regnal school, when we spent a week trying to work out who 35WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 36WH

[Paul Maynard] As ever, however, we cannot look at just the baubles on the Christmas tree. There is no point in teaching was buried at Sutton Hoo. I think I came down in children about the things that interest and entertain favour of King Raedwald. I was probably wrong; we them unless they understand those lock gates on the still have no idea, I am sure. I have no desire to go back canals of both British and European history. Until we and read anything more about Anglo-Saxon history, understand how it all links together, I do not believe but that one week reminded me that what we are trying that history will achieve the goal that it should be to do is assess evidence, reach conclusions and construct setting itself. We should interest people, but we should an argument. Those are the basic and essential skills not exclude them from fully understanding what makes that we must absorb when we teach history in schools. the country in which they live what it is today. Rehman Chishti: I support my hon. Friend’s point. In society now, a fundamental concern is the failure in 11.42 am literacy over the years. Does he agree that history provides Sir Bob Russell (Colchester) (LD): I congratulate the a vital opportunity to develop a sustained, lengthy hon. Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore) on securing argument, which helps improve literacy? the debate and on setting the scene, along with the other Paul Maynard: I entirely agree. One of my great two previous speakers. Following on from my intervention, frustrations in life is that I discovered how to write an I want to emphasise the importance of local history. We essay only in my last term at university. Unfortunately, have just heard the hon. Member for Blackpool North it came a bit too late to enhance fully my learning and Cleveleys (Paul Maynard) say that although his experience during my entire education. area has only been in existence for some 200 years, it has its own rich, distinct history. I represent Britain’s oldest We have to be careful that we do not turn our history recorded town. Indeed, parts of the western boundary lessons and our final history exams—after all, what of my constituency are ancient earthworks that predate matters ultimately is what we test—into some sort of the Roman invasion. quiz or series of multiple choice questions. I have grave reservations about some A-levels. It is to my eternal I pay tribute to all those schools and history teachers shame that I got a grade A at A-level politics by just who enthuse young people; the issue is that too few do. I walking in off the street and sitting the exam. I failed to want to place on record my appreciation for my history study the subject during the sixth form; I just took it for teacher at St Helena school 55 years ago, Mr Brian the fun of it and thought I might get a grade E. It Barton, who for some reason was known to his seemed like a fun thing to do. I shocked both myself contemporaries as Dick Barton, and who, 55 years and the school’s head of politics by getting an A, largely later, is a tour guide in Colchester. He is not the only because the exam was based entirely on general knowledge one. We are blessed with contemporary historians, such as far as I could make out. It asked questions like, “Tick as Andrew Phillips and Patrick Denney, and Philip next to the date of the last general election,” but I do Crummy of the Colchester Archaeological Trust, who not think that that was something that needed to be bring history alive. Two thousand years ago, we had the studied. only Roman chariot circus in Britain; Philip Crummy discovered its remains only in November 2004. That is I think that the skills that history teaches us should local history in a national context, and in the context of be made compulsory up to the age of 16. I support my the Roman empire. I want such aspects of local history hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood entirely on to be introduced in schools throughout the country, that point. It is a tragedy that far too many children because I passionately believe, as the hon. Member for miss out on the opportunity to study history. We do not Blackpool North and Cleveleys said, that if we can need to make history frightening or scary, or obsess enthuse young people about local history they are more about the clichés and the grand narrative of the golden likely to develop an interest in history as a whole. I thread of British history. share the concern that linking history and geography I represent two seaside towns, the history of which, if under the heading of humanities dilutes both. we tried to comprise the whole of British history, would My town is bidding for city status, so perhaps I will not start until 1800, because before that not much was be allowed the opportunity to fly its flag. Colchester built on Blackpool North and Cleveleys, other than a was the first capital of Roman Britain, and it is the only few mud huts here or there. The hon. Member for city of the Roman era that is not a city today. There is Stoke-on-Trent Central (Tristram Hunt) is pulling a no record of that city status ever having been removed, face at me as though to say that I am wrong—that so I hope that Parliament will conclude that we should would not surprise me—so perhaps the correct date is keep it. 1730. None the less, there is immense enthusiasm in Blackpool for local history. We have community heritage Rehman Chishti: On history, places and future city champions who, although they are often older people status, Medway was home to Lord Nelson, and the who did not have the chance to study history in the way flagship Victory was built in the historic dockyard in that we would all perhaps like to do so, get really excited Gillingham. There is a lot of responsibility not only on at the chance to learn new oral history techniques. schools to promote local history, but on local authorities My constituency has a Jewish cemetery. We no longer to promote it in partnership with those schools. Does have a Jewish community to speak of, but people are the hon. Gentleman accept that, along with Colchester, fascinated by the cemetery and what it tells them about there are other richly historic places, such as Medway? the sort of people who were active in Blackpool in its heyday. It would be a fantastic tool for local children to Sir Bob Russell: There are indeed. I am grateful for learn about the area in which they live. I am a strong that intervention. If I were a Norfolk MP, I would point supporter of using local history as a way of making out that Nelson came from the royal county of Norfolk history interesting for those who study it. long before he ended up in Kent. 37WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 38WH

I am concerned that, in my home town, not everybody 11.50 am is aware of our patron saint, St Helena, whose badge I proudly wear, or indeed of the history behind her; that Gareth Johnson (Dartford) (Con): I add my is a bit of local history. We are also the home of the congratulations to those given to my hon. Friend the fictional character, Moll Flanders—a local girl who did Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore) for securing quite well. In fact, she came from the very part of the debate. It is certainly a very interesting subject, and Colchester in which I grew up, Mile End. I think it is it has given rise to different opinions around the Chamber. time that my home town promoted Moll Flanders, We have heard about people’s experiences with their because she was a lively lass and I think she would history teachers, and how teaching particular subjects attract tourism to the town. can create the opposite effect to that intended. Perhaps I should prefix my speech by saying that I was taught Another local historian, Joan Soole, unearthed incredible not only history but politics by my local Labour party Colchester connections with the battle of Waterloo, and leader. Consequently, I am a Conservative Member of those local connections brought alive the history of that Parliament who knows very little about history. It is battle for a completely new generation. We are a famous perhaps surprising that although we are in the most garrison town and one of the four super-garrisons, but historic place in the United Kingdom, we are having to before we became a garrison town, we had a strong remind ourselves about the importance and relevance Royal Navy connection with that famous battle. We are of history in education. It is something of a cliché, but I also the town in which the world’s most famous nursery strongly feel that it is only by learning from the past that rhyme was written. In 1805, the Taylor sisters wrote we can understand the present and plan for the future. “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star”. Again, these things should be promoted locally. Every community has local Much has been said about the approaches of different history to promote. countries. My hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood talked about the teaching of history in Albania and other countries. It is right for history to be taught in Chris Skidmore: I am enjoying the hon. Gentleman’s different ways in different countries, because that enables brief potted history of Colchester, but with respect, I each country to see history from its own perspective. It called for this debate to talk about whether history is therefore right that we should learn history from a should be compulsory in schools at age 16 or not. I do British perspective. Unfortunately, the hon. Member not know about the views of other Members, but I for Stoke-on-Trent Central (Tristram Hunt) is no longer would appreciate it if the hon. Gentleman would stick in this Chamber, but I take issue with his concerns to the subject. about the patriotism that Conservative MPs often display when talking about history. It is not just Conservative MPs who take a sense of pride in their British heritage; Sir Bob Russell: As the three previous speakers have it cuts across right across the political spectrum. Britain said, the point that needs to be made is that we need to has the richest history in the world. If any country instil enthusiasm in our young people and get the needs to prioritise history teaching, it is ours, because education system to embrace history, because I regret to an understanding of history helps us to formulate national say—the hon. Gentleman’s statistics prove this, and it identity, pride and confidence in who we are. has not been denied—that interest in history has declined over the past 30, 40 or 50 years. I was lucky with my school teachers, first in my Mile End primary school Kevin Brennan: I am as patriotic as the next man, but and then at secondary school, and with my parents. It is does the hon. Gentleman not see that the statement that all to do with giving encouragement, and getting teachers Britain has the richest history in the world is ludicrous to be enthusiastic about teaching history. and would not be made by anyone who knew anything about history?

Tristram Hunt: There is an important point to make Gareth Johnson: No, I do not agree it is ludicrous at about how we attract primary school and early secondary all. More than any other country, Britain has had school pupils to the subject, so that they have a passion influence across the entire globe; the fact that English is about the past. At its best, local history is not parochial; spoken in more countries than any other language it goes from a local story to a national and then international demonstrates the influence that this country has had story, but it is very difficult to begin to tell and teach throughout history. Some of that history is good, and children an international story without those building we are very proud of it, and some of it we perhaps do blocks. Colchester seems a good example of a story not talk about as much as we should. However, nevertheless, about a global imperium. we should be proud of our heritage because it is very distinct. It is certainly the richest of any country I have Sir Bob Russell: I will conclude in a moment, because ever studied and it has influenced more countries than with one intervention, the hon. Gentleman, to whom that of any other nation. I am grateful, has embraced precisely the point that I Yet it is right to say that the teaching of history in this have been trying to make. We can have anything we like country is patchy. In some areas, more than three quarters in post-14 or post-16 history, but unless the foundations of students do not learn history after they are 14 years are there, the rest will not happen. It is up to the of age. We heard about the difference between classes Government to provide the enthusiasm and direction. that some people claim exists in relation to the teaching Since my education, experience has shown me that of history. Certainly there are differences between, for many teachers can be enthused and are enthusiastic. example, grammar schools and some comprehensive They provide that enthusiasm, and they must not be schools; the teaching levels are not comparable. The stopped. teaching of history varies around the countries, too. 39WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 40WH

[Gareth Johnson] to embrace history as seen from a British context, because we will fully understand ourselves only when Although more people are passing GCSE history, fewer we learn where we have come from. National identity is students are taking up the subject, which is a great incredibly important, and much of that identity is shame. determined by our history. The treatment of the subject is less patchy around Europe; it is compulsory in most European countries. 11.58 am As I said, my hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood mentioned Albania. That keeps cropping up, because it John Pugh (Southport) (LD): I congratulate the hon. appears to be the only country in Europe that takes a Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore) on initiating similar approach to England with regard to history the debate. He rather gallantly tried to separate two teaching. I do not know whether it is a fair comparison, issues: first, how much history should be taught and, but it certainly seems that there is less mandatory teaching secondly, what is taught. However, I do not think he can of history in England than anywhere else in Europe. do that because the case for more time must be related The rest of the UK fares little better. to the subject’s inherent value and the contribution that it makes to pupils. Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) (DUP): When I was a young man, I had a passionate interest Does the hon. Gentleman agree that part of the problem in history; in fact, it was the only subject that I was is trying to ensure that history is relevant to young particularly good at in school. I lost my enthusiasm people? Often the teaching of the subject leaves young when I discovered that the more facts that I managed to people either ostracised or simply feeling that it is not acquire to settle historical disputes, the less availing relevant to them today. This is not an either/or. Local they were as they were assimilated to different theories. history needs to be taught, based on its relevance to I became generally interested in theory and fact, lost my young people, so that they can understand their place in passion for history and acquired a passion for philosophy. the national psyche and get a grasp of history. I never taught history when I was a teacher, although I might have had the opportunity to do so, but I was Gareth Johnson: The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent appalled by what I saw and the narrowness of the point. It is a case of ensuring that students understand curriculum. One of my sordid secrets is that I taught for that history, and what has gone on in the past, is many years in an independent school. Lots of people relevant to what they are doing now. I think that we did history. They just did the Third Reich over and would all accept that history at its best is the most again. Therefore, what a subject contains has a lot to do fascinating subject on the educational spectrum. However, with whether it should be taught or taught to everyone. at its worst, it can be one of the dullest. A lot depends The reasons for that were quite crude in many respects. on the person in the classroom, and whether they can Putting the Third Reich on the syllabus meant more inspire pupils and convince them that history is to pupils and more sets. The headmaster often found that relevant to them, as the hon. Gentleman correctly points there were better results, too. Therefore, there was an out. incentive that had nothing to do with teaching history; it was all to do with the promotion of teaching careers, [JIM SHERIDAN in the Chair] if I can put it as crudely as that. As a result, some people who have done history leave To be fair, the Department for Education is doing a school knowing very little history. They know very little lot of good work. The academy innovation goes from about the development of their own culture and the strength to strength. We have more protection and nation’s culture, and have to pick it up through TV or support for teachers, with regard to the anonymity that books later on in life. There is an enormous and insatiable is extended when there are unfounded allegations; also, appetite out there for history as a form of there has been a withdrawal of the requirement to give entertainment—we all know that there is a history notice of periods of detention. In addition, spelling channel—but it is regrettable that people who study tests are coming back, and we are allowing grammar history can do very little on the Tudors and Stuarts, do schools to be expanded. nothing on the 18th century and have the most prejudiced I would like “more history teaching” to be added to views about the mediaeval period. that list of achievements. However, I am the first to I think that we all have to accept that, within the accept that the Department for Education faces a dilemma, space of a school year, people need to be selective. because it rightly does not wish to be too prescriptive There has to be a selection about which bits of history about the curriculum. One of the Department’s aims is will be taught. Any full story will, perforce, be something to make the curriculum more streamlined. Clearly, the of an outline, but I am concerned about the principles challenge is for the Department to give good schools as that dominate selection in the school curriculum. Selection much autonomy as it can while ensuring a structured is often done on dubious grounds. We moved, slightly, education system for children. Therein lies the future on to that ground in the previous contribution. It can difficulty for the Department in relation to history be done simply to reflect a nation’s favoured narrative teaching. of itself. History then becomes, to some extent, an The desire for more British history teaching is not exercise in self-justification. History can be a bit like about misplaced patriotism; there is no xenophobic autobiography—just a representation of what one would agenda. However, we should not shy away from teaching like the world and oneself to believe about the past. British history with a sense of pride. For example, the Many Governments in the world fall into the trap of history of the British empire should not be taught with sanitising their history curriculum, so that it becomes a any sense of shame or vitriol. We should allow students very pleasing narrative about how all the things great 41WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 42WH and good came from their nation. I am sure that if we the lesson and giving a A.J.P. Taylor-type lecture. The were in the French Parliament talking about history, second half of the lesson consisted of our writing down we would have similar perceptions—different perceptions, the notes that he dictated into those green exercise but similar kinds of perception. books. I sometimes wonder whether that is what the Moving away from the Nazis and the Third Reich, Minister with responsibility for schools has in mind therefore, does not necessarily solve what should be in when he talks about the sorts of changes he would like the curriculum. I have concerns about bolting back to to see in our schools and whether, in his mind’s eye, he what I was familiar with in my school days—the Whig sees rows of pupils sitting down at their individual narrative of history, where British history is represented desks in their short trousers writing down whatever it is as a seamless path to freedom, starting with Magna that the teacher has asked them to copy down off the Carta, which, regrettably, very few people have actually board—perhaps in the manner in which the hon. Member read. When one actually studies it, it entrenches baronial for Blackpool North and Cleveleys (Paul Maynard) privileges to provide their own courts and armies. A deprecated in his speech of copying down facts about case was made in those days for choice and diversity. the kings and queens of England from the board. I There was choice and diversity in who could provide the accept that that is a parody, but the reason why I love army, or who could provide the court, and that is found history, and I think the reason why a lot of people love within Magna Carta. History can be selective in omitting history, is not because of rote learning, but because of all sorts of things that we would rather not touch on, the interest in finding out that people in the past were such as the British role in slavery, or working-class just like us. history—the worst aspects of the industrial revolution. The idea that a diet of key facts and an officially They are touched on, but they can be omitted, if we sanctioned version of state history will inspire people or choose to do so, from the curriculum. serve their interests is fanciful. We need to ensure that There are therefore inherent dangers in being too we do not go back to the approach taken when I was prescriptive about what sort of narrative falls into the learning history at A-level in the 1970s. It was not the curriculum. It may be unusual for me in this context, regurgitation of facts that caught my imagination about but that is why I genuinely favour choice and diversity history, but the fascination of how people in the past, in the history curriculum and making children self-conscious who were exactly the same as us biologically, acted in about the whole process of the writing of history—how the face of the beliefs, culture, values and political these stories come about and how we reflect our narrative. power structures of the time, and what that told us History is very rarely written by the losers. The history about ourselves now. For me, that was the reason to of the mediaeval period was written by the Church and study history. therefore those kings who gave the Church a bad time— As has been said, by the time I came to do a PGCE in King John is a classic example—got a very bad press. history in 1984, the subject had changed a lot, which History should contain an outline, but it should also has been reflected in today’s debate. The Oxford history contain opportunities for intelligent history teachers project and various other initiatives that were taken at who care for their subject to choose selectively in a way the time involved talking about the skills needed to be a that both suits their candidate interest and aptitudes, historian, assessing the reliability of evidence and, even but also covers what they think good history should be. for young pupils, thinking about what being a historian I am in favour of making children, through the history involves—being a kind of detective of the past. All curriculum, critically sceptical. If it does that, it is no those initiatives had come into the teaching of history, bad thing. which was for the good. I looked recently at a careers guidance page for the university of Kent. One interview question for potential history teachers asked how they 12.4 pm felt about a skills-based approach versus a factual approach Kevin Brennan (Cardiff West) (Lab): What an interesting to teaching history. That question, which seems to seminar we have had this morning on teaching history dominate a lot of the debate about the teaching of in schools. There has been a very high standard, as one history in our schools at the moment, is fairly ludicrous, might expect with so many eminent historians and hon. because teaching history cannot be skills versus facts. It Members present here to debate the subject. As was has to be about having the skills to be able to learn, revealed earlier, it is true that I taught history, alongside understand and interpret the facts. There is a legitimate economics, in a comprehensive school for 10 years. In concern about a loss of the sense of the narrative of fact, I tweeted that I was going to participate in this history, which has been picked up in several of the debate and one of my former pupils, Cerys Furlong, contributions today. However, it would be a big mistake who is now a Labour councillor in Cardiff—she was to turn history teaching into the dissemination of a indoctrinated well when I was teaching history—tweeted patriotic narrative. It is interesting that there was not back that she remembered the days when I was an unanimity between colleagues from all parties on that. actual history teacher. We should not look at history as a way to mould our I took O-level—as it was in those days—history back citizens into compliant people. We need to go beyond a in 1976, and I took A-level history in 1978. I always simple glorification of the past, which I felt the hon. remember one teacher saying to me that I would prefer Member for Dartford might have suggested. We need A-level to O-level because it is about not only regurgitating students to be able critically to engage with the past and facts, but understanding, interpretation and so on. I understand how it affects them now, as individuals, and still have, in a cupboard at home, several green exercise their community and country. In respect of studying books containing the notes from my history A-level history, the emphasis should not be placed on a particular lessons, which consisted mainly of our teacher—I will narrative based merely on a political agenda. We should not name him unfairly—standing up for the first half of study history to have a sense of identity beyond race 43WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 44WH

[Kevin Brennan] Parents and their children will look at schools offering high-quality examinations and at the standard that is and religion and understand something of a common achieved in those examinations. This relates to my point culture, so that we learn about the past and ourselves as about creating a narrative of British history GCSE, individuals and members of British society. because I believe that that would be the lever by which parents would be able to look at all schools offering Sir Bob Russell: I was hoping that the hon. Gentleman history GCSE—just as they can in respect of GCSE would touch on local history, because clearly national maths, English and science, which all schools have to exams will only deal with national history. Where does offer. If history joined that cadre and we were able to he think that local history fits into the teaching of ensure that all pupils studied the equivalent of a western history in schools, bearing in mind that we are a diverse canon, instead of a GSCE that focuses only on the country and within a county there will be different local Third Reich or Stalin’s Russia, we would have one that history characteristics? allowed pupils to study the narrative of British history.

Kevin Brennan: I agree with much of what the hon. Kevin Brennan: The hon. Gentleman is right. Many Gentleman said, and with what my hon. Friend the parents will do what he described, but not all of them Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central (Tristram Hunt), will. That is why education itself is compulsory: it will who is no longer here, said: local history is a way of not happen just through exhortation or because the engaging the interest of pupils and students and enables Government say that they would like it to happen, or them to spread out beyond that into a much wider even by the Government employing little nudge historical context. Like the hon. Member for Colchester, mechanisms, such as the English baccalaureate. I come from a town—in south Wales—where there are I am reserving judgment on whether history should powerful remnants of the Roman empire, including an be taught compulsorily up to 16, because I, too, have a amphitheatre and a barracks of the second Augustan fairly open mind about that. History has never been legion based at the Roman town of Isca, which is now compulsory. When I was 14 years of age, we had to do Caerleon. Some 5,000 Roman troops were stationed either history or geography, and we could not opt for there in a town that probably does not have a population both because of the tightness of the options in the as large today. It was fascinating for me, as a young school that I attended. person, to think about what it must have been like 2,000 years earlier in the area in which I grew up. Sir Bob Russell indicated assent. Although the title of the debate is not, “Should we make history compulsory to 16”, I think that is what the Kevin Brennan: That was common, as I can see from hon. Member for Kingswood wanted to focus on in his the reaction of the hon. Member for Colchester. speech. I congratulate him on securing the debate and on raising that important subject. Gareth Johnson: Will the hon. Gentleman give way? One problem with, and paradox of, the Government’s approach to this matter is revealed, in a sense, by what the hon. Gentleman and the hon. Member for Dartford Kevin Brennan: I took a long intervention and do not said. The Government say that they are seeking to want to eat into the Minister’s time. I apologise to the decentralise education and to have schools that are hon. Gentleman for not being able to give way one more effectively autonomous and exempted, with choice time. about what they teach, and if the Government get their The Third Reich came up quite a bit during our way, by the end of this Parliament most schools will debate. I confess that teaching that subject started during be exempt from a national curriculum. Yet they are the time when I was teaching history. I taught up to undertaking a review of the national curriculum and about the end of 1994 and even back then the Third will, presumably, at some point, advance detailed proposals Reich was a major component of O-level history, which about the national curriculum. Some interim information then became GCSE during the time I was teaching. It on that has been provided by the Government. However, seems to have generated itself into a kind of educational by the end of this Parliament, if the Government proceed industry over that period. My daughter, who is doing in the way that they are going at the moment, most A-level history, is studying the Third Reich, having schools will not be compelled to teach the national studied it at GCSE as well. I share the frustration of curriculum. If the hon. Gentleman is advocating, on other hon. Members about that. Really, schools should top of that, that more subjects should be made compulsory not be doing that. I understand why they do it—teachers up to 16—in this case, history—I do not understand the gain expertise and resources, and so on, and want to transmission mechanism by which his ambition might give their pupils the best opportunity to pass exams, be achieved. Exultation is fine, as are nudge-theory which is only natural—but it should not be studied over approaches, such as the English baccalaureate, but ultimately and over, as hon. Members have described. the hon. Gentleman will not achieve his aim of making I shall conclude, because I want to give the Minister history compulsory if it is not possible to implement a an opportunity to respond. We have had an interesting transmission mechanism to compel schools to teach debate with some excellent contributions. First, I am that subject. interested to hear the Minister set out his plans and say whether he has any intention of making teaching history Chris Skidmore: On transmission—I agree in part compulsory up to 16. If that is not his intention, perhaps with the hon. Gentleman on the curriculum—the point he will make it clear. Secondly, what is the transmission of the curriculum is secondary to assessment, which is mechanism by which he is going to get the national increasingly becoming the driver of standards in schools. curriculum taught if most schools are exempt from it? 45WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 46WH

12.17 pm For example, nearly 20% more pupils in the independent The Minister of State, Department for Education sector study history than pupils in maintained schools. (Mr Nick Gibb): I congratulate my hon. Friend the My hon. Friend’s report also highlighted the links to Member for Kingswood (Chris Skidmore) on securing deprivation reflected in the take-up of history at GCSE. this debate, which has been of high quality throughout. For example, in 2010 only 25% of black pupils took All contributions to it were valuable. My hon. Friend is history GCSE compared with 31% of white pupils; a firm supporter of recognising the importance of history only 18% of pupils eligible for free school meals studied in schools and has played an active role in highlighting the subject at GCSE level, which is 13% less than the some key issues relating to this subject, including in his percentage take-up for pupils overall, at 31%. The decline excellent recent report, which paints a worrying picture in the study of history has also been reflected in further of the decline of history in our schools. and higher education, with the proportion of students opting for A-level history remaining static for a number I strongly agree with my hon. Friend’s view that of years. Enrolments in history at university are well teaching history should form a key part of a child’s below the average compared with other subjects. education. As young people develop, taking on the rights and responsibilities of adulthood, they need a I agree with my hon. Friend that the current history good understanding and appreciation of how and why curriculum does not give pupils a grasp of the narrative our systems of democracy and justice were developed of the past. Last year’s Ofsted survey of history teaching and established. They also need to understand the in schools, to which he referred, supports that view. It aspirations and values that motivated our predecessors found that in primary schools, although pupils generally to create the society in which we live today. had good knowledge of particular topics and episodes in history, chronological understanding and the ability I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Blackpool to make links across the knowledge gained were significantly North and Cleveleys (Paul Maynard), who made an weaker. It is also clear that many schools are spending excellent, gripping contribution to this debate, that less time teaching history. In the recent Historical history is a body of knowledge that allows us to understand Association survey of secondary school history teachers, where we are. The study of history is also an important lack of teaching time was the most frequently cited academic discipline in primary schools and at key stages 3 issue that teachers raised about key stage 3, which the and 4 at secondary school. As well as providing knowledge, hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent Central, who I am as my hon. Friend the Member for Gillingham and glad to see is back in the Chamber having met his Rainham (Rehman Chishti) set out in interventions, it constituent, mentioned in his excellent contribution. helps to develop pupils’ skills at reading, précising text Part of the problem is that GCSE history is too narrowly and essay writing, which cannot just be left to the focused, with exam choices clustering around certain English curriculum in a school. It is about developing topics such as the American west 1840 to 1895 or the the skills of scholarship, which are important in a Third Reich, which has been referred to by many hon. school career. Members. Exams have a significant influence over what My hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood has is taught, so it is no surprise that pupils have huge gaps written a number of excellent history books, including in their knowledge of our national story and a disconnected studies of Edward VI and Queen Elizabeth I. He would sense of narrative. therefore have been as shocked as me to find that, in a survey of history undergraduates entering a Russell There are also issues with teacher training. Last group university, only one in three knew who the monarch year’s Ofsted report also cited that in most of the was during the armada. In the same survey, almost 90% primary schools visited, there was not enough subject- of the undergraduates could not name a single British specific expertise or professional development to help Prime Minister from the 19th century.Professor Matthews, teachers to be clearer about the standards expected in who conducted the survey, said that the students were the subject. I hope that we agree that it is fundamental that a greater emphasis is needed on knowledge and “studying at one of the Russell group of universities, on courses content in the current school curriculum, which is why where the entry requirement is an A and two Bs at A level, which probably places them in the top 15% of their generation in terms we have launched a review of the national curriculum. of educational qualifications. This implies that, all things being equal, 85% of my undergraduates’ age group know even less than John Pugh: The Minister has mostly outlined the they do. In other words, we are looking at a whole generation that decline in history as taught in all sorts of schools. Will knows almost nothing about the history of their (or anyone else’s) he touch on the causal factors? He has not explained country.” what appears to be an appreciable decline, as documented As my hon. Friend highlighted in his report, the by the hon. Member for Kingswood. decline in the number of pupils taking history GCSE in this country is a matter of concern. In 1995, more than 223,000 pupils, representing nearly 40% of pupils, were Mr Gibb: There are all kinds of reasons why the taking history GCSE. By 2010, this figure had dropped decline has happened. It could be, for example, because by more than 25,000, so it is now only 31% of pupils, or of the move to a more skills-based approach. History just less than a third, taking the subject. If we scrutinise might be regarded as a tougher subject in which to that decline further, as my hon. Friend has, we see a achieve the grades that a school feels that it needs to worrying trend around the clear divisions in GCSE achieve to maintain or increase its position in the school take-up between different types of school and pupil league tables. We have had a concern for a number of background and in whether they are eligible for free years about the move to what are called softer subjects school meals. As the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent in order to boost league table positions, and history Central (Tristram Hunt) said, a potential class divide is could well have been a victim of that process. being created in this country with the subjects that are The new national curriculum will be based on a body being studied. of essential knowledge that children should be expected 47WH History Teaching10 JANUARY 2012 History Teaching 48WH

[Mr Gibb] past. They have also attempted a greater number of A-levels and achieved better results. We are also committed to acquire in key subjects during the course of their to restoring confidence in GCSEs as rigorous and valued school career. It will embody for all children their qualifications. We will reform GCSEs to ensure that cultural and scientific inheritance, and it will enhance they are more keenly focused on essential knowledge in their understanding of the world around them and those key subjects, and with exams at the end of the expose them to the best that has been thought and course to support good teaching and in-depth study. written. We are engaging with a wide range of academics, To refer to the questions of the hon. Member for teachers and other interested parties to ensure that the Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan), what we want to achieve new national curriculum compares favourably with those from the national curriculum review is a curriculum of the highest performing countries in the world. that is so good that the academies will want to adopt it, albeit not being compulsory. The national curriculum Sir Bob Russell: As yet there has been no reference to also does feed in to statutory testing, in maths and the importance of local history being taught in our English at the end of key stage 2 and the GCSE schools. How will that fit in, when schools are clearly specifications. being directed towards history that fits the exams? Kevin Brennan: Is the Minister considering writing Mr Gibb: Those are precisely the issues for consideration into funding agreements the requirement that academy by the national curriculum review. schools should teach the national curriculum? I know that my hon. Friend the Member for Kingswood would like history to be compulsory to 16, which is one Mr Gibb: No, that would obviate some of the freedoms of the things that the national curriculum review will and the whole essence of academy schools. The funding consider. As I said at the outset, it is clear that some agreements require the teaching of maths, science and subjects, such as history, which all pupils should have a English to 16, thus making them compulsory, but the good grasp of, have been less popular choices at GCSE. application of the national curriculum is not compulsory The Government therefore want to encourage more for academies, although it feeds into the specification children to take up history beyond the age of 14, that determines what is tested and assessed through the particularly among disadvantaged pupils and certain GCSE system. In that sense, there is an imperative for ethnic groups. That is why we introduced the English schools to teach those subjects. baccalaureate, which will recognise the work of pupils The essence of the national curriculum review is to who achieve an A* to C in maths, English, two sciences, produce a curriculum that is on a par with the best in a language and either history or geography, to encourage the world, based on evidence of what is taught in those more widespread take-up of those core of subjects, jurisdictions that have the best education systems and which provide a sound basis for academic progress. against whom graduates from this country’s schools The English baccalaureate has already had a significant will be competing for jobs in the future. The national impact on the take-up of history: according to a NatCen curriculum, which will be published and available to survey of nearly 700 schools, 39% of pupils sitting parents, will be of such a quality that it will become the GCSEs in 2013 in the schools responding will be taking norm and the benchmark against which parents will history GCSE, up eight percentage points and back to judge the quality of their schools. the 1995 level of history up-take. There are clear benefits Finally, I want to touch on the part that teachers play to pupils in taking the subjects combined in the E-bac. in our school systems as far as history is concerned. Pupils who have achieved that combination of subjects have proved more likely to progress to A-level than Jim Sheridan (in the Chair): Order. We now come to those with similar attainment in different subjects in the the next debate. 49WH 10 JANUARY 2012 Millennium Development Goals 50WH

Millennium Development Goals the Government are doing to drive progress towards meeting the education millennium development goals. 12.30 pm Some countries have achieved all the millennium Mr Gareth Thomas (Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op): I development goal targets, and others will have made secured this debate because I am interested in finding significant progress by 2015. Clearly, not all countries out: what the Government are doing to help galvanise will achieve all the goals, and some of the poorest—usually international action to secure a global development but not exclusively those that are, or have been, affected agreement for 2015 onwards; what they are doing to by conflict—are a long way from achieving them. Significant engage European Governments, not least through the shortfalls remain in the delivery of international upcoming EU budget negotiations; and their view of commitments to support the achievement of the goals. the process proposals and goal ideas in circulation at However, a joint report by the Overseas Development the moment. Institute and the Millennium Campaign on progress on I understand that a task team of senior technical the MDGs concluded that although it is not uniform experts from the United Nations Development Programme across all countries, and the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs “the rate of progress in reducing poverty and in increasing access have begun preparing work on the UN’s vision and to basic health, education, water, and other essential services is road map for post-2015. Similarly, I understand that the unparalleled in many countries’ histories.” UN Secretary-General is expected to appoint a high-level Britain undoubtedly played a significant role in panel of eminent people to advise on the post-2015 galvanising the progress made towards meeting the framework, so the agenda is likely to gather momentum MDGs through its ministerial support for, and engagement in New York. Next year, Britain will chair the G8. With in, the process that saw the MDGs adopted. It maintained the UN millennium review summit due in September pressure for progress up to and beyond the 2005 G8 2013, which is arguably the key moment for agreeing summit at Gleneagles, and in the UN General Assembly a post millennium development goals agreement, UK discussions in 2008 and 2009. That support has continued Ministers will bear a heavy responsibility for progress—or in more recent years, and I acknowledge the role that a lack of progress—on achieving a post-MDGs accord. the Minister and his colleagues have played while in Thus far—I say this gently—there has been little sign office. from the Government of serious political leadership or Britain played a crucial role in keeping European aid engagement on the issue. directed at achievement of the millennium development As the Government’s policies are putting a considerable goals, with the European development framework clearly squeeze on family incomes in the UK, and as Ministers targeted at the needs of the poorest. are so obviously out of touch with the consequences, a debate about poverty in poor countries—and particularly Chris White (Warwick and Leamington) (Con): I about whether new targets for tackling poverty overseas congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this debate. are required—will seem to some people to be misplaced. In the spirit of co-operation that he has shown in his However, tackling poverty in the world’s poorest countries work with me on my private Member’s Bill, does he is surely not just morally right, but fundamental to agree that four years is a very short time in international Britain’s long-term interests. We live in an interdependent politics, and that it is crucial that the UK starts to lead world, and jobs in the UK, the level and types of the debate on the formation of post-2015 goals for disease in Britain, and migration patterns to the UK are global development, and particularly on putting more all affected by what happens to the world’s poorest emphasis on millennium development goal 8? people. Indeed, the rise of the Taliban and their decision to shelter al-Qaeda in Afghanistan is a powerful example of what can happen when progress in tackling poverty Jim Sheridan (in the Chair): Order. That is a long is going in the wrong direction, when states are fragile, intervention. Does the hon. Gentleman have a question? and when those for whom poverty is an irrelevance are what passes for being in charge. Chris White: Does the hon. Member for Harrow The millennium development goals have been remarkably West (Mr Thomas) agree that particular attention should successful in galvanising political leaders, civil society be paid to goal 8, which is specifically about creating organisations, parts of the private sector, trade unions better governance so that we maximise the impact of and donors in the pursuit of tackling poverty. They aid spending and ensure that the gains that we make are were launched back in 2000 and are due to be achieved not undermined by poor planning and corruption? by 2015, and it is likely that the headline goal of halving extreme poverty will be achieved. There has been substantial Mr Thomas: I agree with the hon. Gentleman. progress in many countries towards achieving many of Governance is crucial, and I believe strongly that it the individual goals. needs to be part of a post-MDGs framework. The key question for this debate is what comes after the millennium Tony Cunningham (Workington) (Lab): Does my hon. development goals, from 2015 onwards. Where do Ministers Friend agree that a key to those goals is education? It is stand on that agenda? Do they support the UN Secretary- difficult for young people in developing countries to get General’s ambition for a new generation of sustainable an education. It is more difficult for a girl, and almost development goals, and if they do, what action are they impossible for disabled people. We must get to grips taking to make such an agenda happen? with the issue. The Minister will be cautious, understandably, about Mr Thomas: My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I saying today what should be included among a new set hope that the Minister will take advantage of his of international goals, but Ministers could help to intervention to bring the House up to date with what galvanise the process of agreeing an accord by supporting 51WH Millennium Development Goals10 JANUARY 2012 Millennium Development Goals 52WH

[Mr Thomas] of state governments in the US. A Sri Lankan economist has proposed a series of consumption goals to target and encouraging international debate on what a post- under-consumption by the poorest countries and over- MDGs agenda might look like. To date, we have heard consumption in richer countries. The Colombian remarkably little from the Secretary of State on this Government have proposed a series of sustainable issue. Has a policy team of civil servants been set up development goals that I understand also have the within the Department to corral ideas, and to engage support of Brazil. Those are due to be discussed at the with those in civil society, the UN and other national forthcoming Rio plus 20 meeting in June, and focus on Governments, particularly in Europe, to drive the UK’s addressing global climate change and development. I involvement in the preparation of such an agenda? would be interested to know what the Minister thinks Elsewhere in the UK, among the Catholic Fund for about those ideas. Overseas Development, the Overseas Development Institute, The Overseas Development Institute has suggested the Institute for Development Studies, Christian Aid, three principles for a new post-MDGs agreement. First, and the Beyond 2015 coalition of non-governmental the principle of universality and inclusiveness goes with organisations, there has been real interest in the question. the grain of existing anti-poverty measures in developing Indeed, the Beyond 2015 coalition has published an countries such as Mexico, Kenya or Sierra Leone that interesting and thoughtful set of essential must-haves deal with social protection, education and health care. for a new global development framework, focusing on Such measures create minimum standards of provision how a process might work and stressing the importance that are now within range of many more developing of the MDGs review summit next year, and the Rio countries than was the case when the MDGs were plus 20 process in June this year. That interest in UK originally conceived. civil society is mirrored by a growing interest throughout civil society in developing countries. The ODI’s second principle is that of building resilience and reducing vulnerability. That could provide a focus Both CAFOD and the excellent Overseas Development for the use of renewed G8 and G20 development interest Institute have noted how significant the “how” will be in growth and infrastructure to help tackle inequality in reaching an agreement, and the importance of “what”— and address issues such as capital flight and tax avoidance, that is, what such an agreement should contain. I would as well as other critical environmental issues such as welcome hearing how the Minister thinks an agreement climate change, which reduce a community’s resilience could be reached, and what he plans to do to assist. and increase vulnerability. Finally, the ODI suggests a Civil society interest is clearly key in framing debate, principle of building national economies—a key concern and in involving those in developing countries and of Governments in developing countries, and one that developed countries, but Governments must reach increasingly reflects debate in many developed countries agreement. Vital to that is active dialogue within about what should be the priorities for overseas aid. Government, between Governments and their civil society groups and, crucially, at intergovernmental level. That Perhaps the most interesting specific proposals come is where the British Government could do more. Although from the International Committee of the Red Cross in recent years the G20 has become more prominent, and the Centre for International Governance Innovation. discussions between G8 leaders still matter hugely. Britain They have proposed 12 new goals that seek to build on will chair the G8 next year in the run-up to the review existing MDGs while reflecting the changed international summit, and it could put a post-MDGs agreement at context, and they include new methods for devising the centre of the debate between the richest nations in targets and accounting for progress. As well as arguing the world. for the inclusion of further indicators to improve the living standards of the poor, reduce diseases, eradicate International negotiations require considerable time hunger and ensure access to safe water supplies, they and effort, and they make progress only when leaders also suggest new indicators concerning access to and and national politicians are engaged. A G8-driven agenda quality of education—that point will be of interest to to replace MDGs is likely to stir up scepticism and my hon. Friend the Member for Workington (Tony concern, so any agreement must be—and I believe will Cunningham). They urge a new focus on the reduction be—UN-led. It would, however, be a mistake to think of violence, particularly against women and children, that an agreement will be reached without the richest the promotion of gender equality, and better access to nations on board. As a result of its record and its basic infrastructure, such as energy, information and forthcoming role, Britain is uniquely placed in the G8 to financial services. They also support indicators of support the UN more visibly in working towards a environmental sustainability, access to justice, trade post-MDGs accord. rules and the transparency of Government budgets—that There have been a series of initiatives to consider the will be of interest to the hon. Member for Warwick and post-2015 framework. Early suggestions included the Leamington (Chris White). roll-over of existing MDGs to 2020 or 2025, or an At the moment, that list contains too many suggestions “MDG plus” agreement that could take some existing to achieve the simplicity that has helped to drive the core goals in education, health or nutrition, and add continuing appeal of the MDGs, and there is perhaps three or four new, locally defined, goals. The so-called not enough focus on job creation and growth. In my one world approach would have new goals based on view, however, the proposals merit further serious debate issues such as resilience and climate change. More recent and attention, and in that spirit, I commend them to the proposals include a gross national happiness index, House. such as that currently used by Bhutan, for measuring national progress; the UN General Assembly has expressed Time is ticking, and a new post-MDGs agreement qualified interest in that. Measuring happiness has begun would be a huge prize, with regard to our efforts to to be of interest in the UK and in France, and in a series tackle global poverty and improve sustainability. Britain 53WH Millennium Development Goals10 JANUARY 2012 Millennium Development Goals 54WH could—and I believe should—once again occupy a pivotal Tony Cunningham rose— place in the debates, and I look forward to hearing the Minister’s plans to achieve that goal. Mr O’Brien: I will not give way, as I want to make 12.45 pm some progress and there is a lot to get through. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Tremendous progress with MDGs has been made International Development (Mr Stephen O’Brien): I thank globally. As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State the hon. Member for Harrow West (Mr Thomas) for for International Development and the USA’s Raj Shah securing this debate on an important topic. Securing showed in the MDG countdown event at the UN last global agreement on a framework that updates the September, countries such as Brazil, Zambia, Peru and millennium development goals is a major priority for Nepal have demonstrated how political commitment, the coalition Government and the Secretary of State for good policies and targeted resources can make a real International Development. We are now in 2012, and I difference to the lives of the poorest people. welcome the chance to begin talking more openly about the key leadership role that the UK is playing—and will Over the next four years, we will continue to showcase continue to play—on that agenda. Just as MDGs are at and celebrate the successes that have been achieved. Of the heart of Government development policy, a successor course, that is very important in building and maintaining framework should be central to all that we do, which broad public confidence and consent. However, in 2015, means shaping it to ensure that any future global agreement millions of people around the world will still be living in reflects what we know about achieving results in the conditions of extreme poverty. It is important that we fight against global poverty. As one of the leading do not lose the momentum created by the MDGs: 2015 countries on development issues and with the legitimacy will be the moment to update the framework, building that comes from the coalition Government’s commitment on the success of the current one, so that it can reflect to spend 0.7% of gross national income on overseas the new challenges and opportunities that we face in a development from 2013, the UK will play a leading role. world that has changed dramatically since 2000. The process of building global consensus on that updated The MDGs set a benchmark for global development framework is starting now. policy, and over the past decade they have helped to galvanise efforts to improve the lives of millions of the The MDGs have played an important role in generating world’s poorest people. The coalition has augmented global political consensus on development and worked and built on the previous Government’s commitment to well as a communication and advocacy tool, both with put the achievement of MDGs at the centre of the UK’s the UK public and internationally. The framework, development efforts. with its tightly focused set of targets and indicators, has also helped to strengthen the availability of data in Tony Cunningham: We have spoken a lot about developing countries and thereby made it easier to put a international dialogue and my hon. Friend the Member greater focus on results. However, the MDG framework for Harrow West (Mr Thomas) mentioned the G8 and has had its limitations. G20. Will the Minister touch on our relationship with Europe and the European Union? Europe has a key role A number of critical themes and issues were not to play and the dialogue between the UK and the included—the importance of economic growth or conflict European Union will be crucially important. and fragility, for instance. There are concerns that in some cases the poorest and most vulnerable have been Mr O’Brien: I do not plan to talk about Europe on neglected and not even explicitly referred to or focused the basis that the hon. Member for Harrow West—quite on. An example is people with disabilities—another rightly—focused the debate on the UN. This is an point mentioned by the hon. Member for Workington. international issue. There will, of course, be continuing There are concerns that the plight of the poorest and discussions vis-à-vis Europe, but the primary focus most vulnerable has often been masked by the average must be on the UN and driven by the broad international success rates in countries where progress has been very community, not least because of the focus on moving to uneven. the post-MDG world and the emerging powers and other bodies that can be brought into a greater international Ownership of the MDGs at country level has been political consensus to help in the battle against poverty. patchy and has not always been closely linked to a country’s own plans and objectives. In some cases, the The coalition is making every effort to accelerate framework has also created perverse incentives. For progress with the current set of eight MDGs and example, it has incentivised a focus on measuring school particularly with those most off track. The UK’s aid attendance, rather than the quality of education or effort has been designed, particularly over the past retention of students in education. It has also made it 18 months, to deliver the following key results by 2015, more difficult to deal with critical problems that are the first of which is to secure schooling for 11 million best tackled multi-sectorally. children—more than we educate in the UK but at 2.5% of the cost. That aim is particularly important for girls, An updated framework will need to deal with the as noted by the hon. Member for Workington. Other weaknesses, while capitalising on the strengths of the aims include vaccinating more children against preventable current MDGs, ensuring that we retain the simplicity of diseases than there are people in the whole of England; the current goals, intensifying the political imperative to providing access to safe drinking water and improved focus on poverty reduction and building on the progress sanitation to more people than live in Scotland, Wales achieved so far. An updated framework needs to reflect and Northern Ireland; saving the lives of 50,000 women the new global context. Of course, the world has changed in pregnancy and childbirth; stopping 250,000 newborn since the original MDGs were created: it is no longer as babies from dying needlessly; and helping 10 million easy to divide the world into countries that we would more women get access to modern family planning. classify as either developed or developing. 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[Mr O’Brien] to the all-party consensus on the 0.7% and the UK’s broader credibility and status on development issues, has more poor people than all of sub-Saharan Africa, we have the potential to play a critical leadership role but India faces rich-world and poor-world problems at on this agenda internationally. the same time. The Secretary of State has spoken to the UN Secretary- An updated framework will need to resonate with the General, indicating our readiness to continue to play a Governments and citizens of emerging powers such as leadership role. The Rio plus 20 sustainable development India, as well as dealing with the needs of low-income conference in June will provide a key occasion for the countries. Moreover, in parts of the world, aid is likely UK to further the debate. We are seeking opportunities to become a much smaller share of external financing on every occasion to develop consensus on a post-MDG for development in the future. As aid dependence falls framework. We are doing that with others in the UN in certain countries, a development framework that and the G8, with other Governments, with foundations focuses mainly on targeting aid will be less relevant. and with the private sector. The principles for an updated framework are fourfold, so people are not being quite as cautious as the hon. Mr Thomas: I specifically asked the Minister what Member for Harrow West feared. Four principles seem discussions he has had with colleagues in Europe. Let to be emerging from the discussions about post-MDGs. me ask him even more specifically whether European The Secretary of State is considering whether those International Development Ministers, at the regular principles would help to take forward the revision of formal meetings that take place, have discussed the the framework. I can confirm that we have already set post-MDGs summit and whether a British Minister up a team of officials in the Department for International from the Department for International Development Development’s policy division. That involves the most will go to Rio plus 20. One would expect someone from senior officials. Ministers are already having regular the Department of Energy and Climate Change to go, discussions with international counterparts on the post- but surely a Minister from DFID should attend as well. MDG question. The first principle is that the process to agree an Mr O’Brien: Of course, discussions have been happening updated framework needs to involve new powers and both at the formal level and in the informal like-minded engage citizens, especially those who are most vulnerable group—the hon. Gentleman will be aware that those and marginalised. Last time, the OECD-led process are also very important meetings. They are broad meant that ownership at country level was weaker than discussions, but in relation to establishing the principles it should have been. for the post-MDG framework, the primary focus has been on the more international, UN-driven bodies. Of Secondly, there is a need to retain a simple set of course, he is right to identify—to some degree, this global goals, but to enable greater ownership and answers the point raised by the hon. Member for accountability at national level, allowing nationally defined Workington—that discussions are going on around Europe, indicators and targets. National targets should still link but as yet it has not become a critical focus. It is into a global agenda that enables us to get a sense of something that we are trying to lead and push on, as we overall progress. have those various meetings. To pick up one of the ODI points referred to, the Particularly with regard to the UN, it is important to third principle is universality. There is a strong view recognise that the discussions are held with other bilaterals, that, after 2015, we will need goals that resonate with groups of countries and key Governments such as the aspirations and challenges of citizens in emerging Brazil to ensure that the interest in the sustainable powers and OECD countries, as well as those in poor development goals, to which the hon. Member for countries. However, there is also the view that we need Harrow West referred, and the post-MDG agenda are to seek universal outcomes to ensure that the poorest brought together. That is a cross-Government agenda and most vulnerable are not neglected and, indeed, that involving DFID, the Department for Environment, Food inclusiveness applies. and Rural Affairs and the Foreign and Commonwealth Fourthly, an updated framework must incentivise Office. Given that cross-Government basis, the hon. action beyond aid. Goals should recognise that we are Gentleman is quite right: of course there will be ministerial talking not only about aid transfers, but about all attendance at Rio. I am not in a position at the moment financial flows, including domestic public and private to confirm which of the Ministers will attend—that revenues—a framework that incentivises better resource would be premature—but I can certainly assure the allocation and helps to measure results. That is vital to hon. Gentleman that the matter is being given the very the points on governance and anti-corruption measures high importance that he would expect. that my hon. Friend the Member for Warwick and We hope that there will be broader engagement by all Leamington (Chris White) rightfully highlighted. It is a interested parties, the UK public, the private sector and useful point to make that the international Open others to help us to define the agenda for international Government Partnership, which the UK is chairing development for the next generation, not least because with Brazil, will provide opportunities to build alliances the MDGs were very useful in setting not just the to ensure that governance and transparency are incentivised advocacy but the aspirational drivers that supported it as part of the successor framework to the MDGs. politically. The discussions about what should happen to the The four principles that I articulated, which are the MDGs after 2015 are getting going on the international key to ensuring that the post-MDGs are framed in the stage. We are in the early stages of the process, but the correct way, are the ones that the Secretary of State in coalition Government are already actively engaging particular and personally is taking forward. Those principles with old and new partners to shape the debate. Thanks are that the updated framework on development needs 57WH Millennium Development Goals 10 JANUARY 2012 58WH to be legitimate, that it needs to balance better the School Transport relationship between the global and the national, that there needs to be universality and inclusiveness and that the updated framework must incentivise action that will 1pm be owned at country level. Nicky Morgan (Loughborough) (Con): It is a pleasure I am thinking about the example that the hon. Member to lead today’s debate under your chairmanship, for Workington gave about education. Looking at education Mr Sheridan. After my question to the Minister in in relation to the post-MDGs, we will want to build on November on school transport, I am sure that he was the dramatic progress on enrolment, but also to shift the not entirely surprised to see my name associated with focus on to incentivising learning outcomes. This is not the topic today, and I am pleased that he is here to just about retention and particularly getting girls into answer this afternoon’s debate. school and enabling them to sustain their education to If all politics is local, nowhere does that seem to be secondary level, but about ensuring the quality of education more true than on the vexed issue of home-to-school and the attendance of the teachers and ensuring that transport. My interest in school transport policy arises that is sustained throughout. I do not know whether the from the decision of Leicestershire county council on hon. Member for Workington would like to make a the provision of a bus service to take pupils from the short intervention now; there is about two seconds village of Sileby to Humphrey Perkins school in Barrow to go. upon Soar in my constituency. A smaller number of families in Mountsorrel are also affected, but I will Tony Cunningham: I wanted the Minister to deal with particularly focus on Sileby today. The objection in my the issue of disabled children; that was all. case arises from the council’s view that the proposed walking route from Sileby to Barrow is safe and the Mr O’Brien: I covered the disablement point, which strongly held view of almost everyone else that it is not. was one of the few notable absences in the original Before I dwell on local matters, I feel duty bound to drafting of the MDGs. I hope that that can be rectified explore why the Minister and the Department for Education in the post-MDG framework, with a focus on the most should have an interest in the subject despite the fact vulnerable and the poorest. All of us who have travelled that the assessment of walking routes and decisions around various countries in the poorest parts of the about the provision of home-to-school transport and world will know that one of the hidden but great on appeals made by affected families are all matters for concerns relates to the access to services that disabled local authorities. I firmly believe in localism and that children have. local authorities and elected local members should make decisions about school transport routes—as long as they are made fairly and transparently. National legislation, namely the Education Act 1996, as amended, governs the duties and powers of local authorities in England to provide home-to-school transport. In addition, case law on school transport and “Home to School Travel and Transport Guidance”, published by the then Department for Education and Skills in 2007, contains detailed guidance on the provision of school transport. In March 2011, the Department for Education commissioned a review of efficiency and practice in the procurement, planning and provision of school transport across England. Section 509 of the 1996 Act states: “A local education authority shall make such arrangements for the provision of transport and otherwise as they consider necessary, or as the Secretary of State may direct, for the purpose of facilitating the attendance of persons not of sixth form age receiving education…at schools”. The 1986 case of Rogers v. Essex County Council was one of the most significant brought in recent years on available walking routes. In its ruling, the House of Lords stated that for a route to be available within the meaning of the 1996 Act, it must be a route “along which a child accompanied as necessary can walk and walk with reasonable safety to school”. A route does not fail to qualify as “available” because of dangers that would arise if the child remained unaccompanied, but the Court also held that a route is available even if the child would need to be accompanied along the route, as long as it is reasonably practicable for the child to be accompanied. Local education authorities can therefore take into account parents’ capacity to accompany their child. Following that judgment, the law was changed so that in considering whether local education authority is required to make arrangements 59WH School Transport10 JANUARY 2012 School Transport 60WH

[Nicky Morgan] exception routes will continue to receive free transport until September 2012. The Sileby to Barrow route is not in relation to a particular pupil, it shall have regard to, an historic exception. among other things, the age of the pupil and the nature of the route or alternative routes that they could reasonably Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) (Con): I be expected to take. thank my hon. Friend and neighbour for securing the Hon. Members must forgive me, because I am afraid debate on school transport, which is also a major issue that I am showing my background as a lawyer, but the in my constituency. Does she agree that under current history is helpful. In George v. Devon county council guidelines common sense sometimes appears to go out 1988, the High Court took the view that the window? In my constituency, there have been instances “For an ordinary child whose home is within walking distance, of older children retaining free bus passes, while younger but who applies under” children in the same household are asked to walk to the relevant section school. Does she appreciate how frustrating it can be when a household is judged to be outside the three-mile “a local education authority should consider: the age of the child limit and gets free bus travel, but the next-door neighbour and the nature of the route which he could reasonably be expected to take; the question should the child be accompanied on the is judged to be within the limit and their children are route or alternative routes? If the answer is ‘no’, then normally asked to walk to school? Surely we need discretion and there” common sense in such cases. is “no case for free transport. If the answer is ‘yes’, then” Nicky Morgan: I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. Common sense has been lost as part of the debate and the next question is in reviewing the routes. I have exactly the same situation “whether the nature of the route or alternative routes is dangerous in Mountsorrel, where apparently older children already for the child if accompanied. If the answer is ‘yes’, then normally at the Humphrey Perkins school will continue to receive there would be a case for free transport. If the answer is ‘no’, free bus passes and younger children starting at the then: the question” school will not. is In undertaking the review, the scrutiny review panel “whether it is reasonably practicable for the child to be accompanied. was asked to have regard to the financial, environmental If the answer is ‘no’, then normally there would be a case for free and health implications of any proposed changes to transport.” existing policies in the context of the legal obligations Consequently, local education authorities must consider placed on the county council. The overall review was section 509, together with the various legal rulings, in conducted as part of the council’s medium-term financial defining their policies on the provision of school transport strategy. The panel did not consider the Sileby to Barrow and the eligibility of individual pupils for free transport. route and nobody with an interest in the route, such as Pupils, parents and families are encouraged to turn to the headmaster, the families or local councillors, was the Directgov website for views on national policy. It asked to give evidence to the panel. In reaching its states on its home-to-school transport page that conclusions, the panel decided that the width of a “Safe walking routes are those which usually include road footpath and the lighting of a route did not need to be crossings, good lighting and well maintained pavements and considered when a route is assessed, which is where footpaths. LAs are required to assess the suitability of walking common sense has gone out the window. routes.” In May 2011, parents of pupils in Sileby and Mountsorrel Having set out the national policy background, I will due to start at Humphrey Perkins school in September turn to my local issue. Leicestershire county council 2011 were written to and told that free school transport stated its view on the Directgov approach in a letter to would be available for their child. Imagine their surprise, me dated 20 July 2011 from the assistant director of and the surprise of the head teacher, who also knew transport: nothing about this, when in late June last year they and “‘Safe’ is a very absolute term and it is not possible to guarantee the families of children already receiving free transport, that anything is absolutely safe, so it is an unreasonable stipulation. because the route was deemed to be unavailable, received The law requires that a walking route be ‘available’ for a child a letter saying that that would no longer be the case and accompanied as necessary by a responsible adult and it is this that because they lived less than three miles from the criterion that we apply.” school and there would now be an available walking As I have mentioned, however, a route also has to be route, they would not be eligible for free transport and reasonably safe, and therefore the dangers of a particular instead would have to pay for a school bus service. It route should be taken into account. was at that point that a campaign group was formed In February 2011, a Leicestershire county council and I was made aware of the problems that the 53 scrutiny review panel reported to the council’s cabinet parents in Sileby face. on the council’s home-to-school transport policy. The panel was asked to consider, first, how available walking Annette Brooke (Mid Dorset and North Poole) (LD): routes are assessed and the appropriateness of the current I congratulate the hon. Lady on securing the debate. We method of assessment, and, secondly, what are known have many problems in Dorset, and I want briefly to in Leicestershire as “historic exceptions” and whether share some similar stories. I consider age to be a vital such services are still justified. Historic exceptions are factor, in so far as a 13-year-old would not wish to be bus services provided free to children despite the route accompanied, so it is not a matter of the availability of length being under the statutory distance and despite a somebody to accompany them. A rural lane with fast route having subsequently been assessed as available for traffic is incredibly unsafe. I hope that she will expand children to walk. Children using services on those historic on the point that notifying parents at the last possible 61WH School Transport10 JANUARY 2012 School Transport 62WH moment or halfway through a sixth-form course, given Priti Patel (Witham) (Con): Does my hon. Friend that a choice will have been based on previous information, agree, having touched on the safety of children going to is unacceptable. school, that parents of children with special educational needs, in particular, are deeply worried? A case of mine concerns Melanie Green, whose 7-year-old son Aaron Nicky Morgan: I entirely agree with my hon. Friend Green is given no support in going to school. I would and congratulate her on the early-day motion on the welcome it if the Minister were to look at that case. In topic, which has been signed by hon. Members from modern Britain, with our children’s changing needs, the across the House. She is right that the safety of routes area in question is one that must be considered thoroughly. has not been considered and another frustrating point Local authorities in particular must pay more attention is the manner in which notifications have been sent out. to it. As I have said, a campaign group was formed in Sileby. To cut a long story short, the council admitted Nicky Morgan: I entirely agree. I am sure that the shortly afterwards that insufficient notice of the change Minister has heard and will hear representations about had been given. The decision to withdraw transport was the particular case that my hon. Friend has mentioned. postponed for a term, and I was promised that a new She is right about the need to return to a common-sense assessment of the route would be conducted once the approach and consider the needs of individual families, clocks had gone back in the autumn. whether it is the parents or pupils who are affected. Why do we all consider the route to be dangerous? There are parents with disabilities who cannot accompany My hon. Friend the Member for Mid Dorset and North their children to school, because they just do not have Poole (Annette Brooke) has mentioned some of the the physical ability to do so, yet somehow they are dangers of such routes, but much of the Sileby to deemed to be able to accompany their children. This is a Barrow route has a footpath on only one side of the huge issue for many hon. Members, across the House, road, so that children—and adults—returning from and I am glad to have the opportunity to allow them to school have their back to oncoming traffic. The footpath express their frustrations and views today. is narrow and there are several pinch points where everyone has to walk in single file—we are talking George Freeman (Mid Norfolk) (Con): Does my hon. about 11-year-old children not messing about on the Friend agree that at the heart of the question is the issue way to and from school. The speed limit along the road of one size not fitting all, and legislation not working in is 40 mph, and it is regularly exceeded. There are rural areas in the same way that it does in urban ones? industrial estates, a deep ditch and a conveyor belt for a In cities, many of us will have seen happy gangs of nearby quarry. The road is also so narrow at points that schoolchildren walking and cycling safely to school in a if two large vehicles pass each other the wing mirrors morning. In rural areas, increasingly both members of overhang into the footpath at head height. couples are working, and at rush hour families who commute are affected by the cost of fuel and the higher Alas, the promise to wait for the next assessment to speed of traffic. There is much more traffic on rural be conducted after British summer time ended and roads, and many people in mid-Norfolk live more than before any further decisions were taken was not fulfilled, two or three miles from a local school. School rush hour and parents received further letters in October to say in rural areas is a real problem. Norfolk now provides that as the necessary cutting back of vegetation had 24,000 free journeys a day, which has been described as now happened along the walking route the free bus the tip of the iceberg. That is a problem across rural service would no longer be offered to them from this areas, and I urge the Minister to see whether the criteria month. Meanwhile, despite my urging the county council can be reviewed to take account of the important to work with the school to examine alternative services, change that has taken place in the past 40 years. no contact was made with the headmaster between July and late October 2011. The council has since then had contact with the school about an alternative service, but Nicky Morgan: My hon. Friend is right. He is concerned that would be at almost double the cost of the service for parents, I am sure, across the country, but rural now procured by the headmaster. The council has also areas are particularly badly hit. My constituency example indicated that, when the school becomes an academy, involves two villages and the route between them, which home-to-school transport will no longer be its concern. is rural and unlit. I shall discuss working hours as well, I hope that the Minister can address that point. On a and I am sure that the Minister has taken my hon. practical level, today, on the second day of term, the Friend’s comments on board. service for children living less than three miles from the As I mentioned at the start of the debate, the school has been withdrawn, and some will now be using Leicestershire county council test is that the train to get from Sileby to Barrow. I expect that “a route is available if it is a route which a child, accompanied as others will be driven to school, which will increase necessary, can walk with reasonable safety to school.” congestion, and some will walk that route. We have talked about the reasonable safety point, and I The walking route that some children will have to use will not labour it, in view of the time, but I want to deal remains, in my opinion, highly dangerous and therefore with the question of the child being accompanied. To not “available” as the legislation requires, because even assume that children will be accompanied is surely to an accompanied child cannot walk along it with reasonable ignore the reality of much of family life— many parents safety. The real question for us, as a national legislature, now work—and the way in which the school day interacts is whether the national legislation and guidance reflects with the working day. To walk three or more miles to a the realities of modern Britain, or whether the safety of school will take an adult at least 45 minutes. When I our children is at risk, when a route can be deemed to be walked the Sileby to Barrow route with the head teacher, available when it is clearly unsafe. the local PCSO, a parent, the leader of the county 63WH School Transport10 JANUARY 2012 School Transport 64WH

[Nicky Morgan] Other hon. Members presented their points well. My hon. Friend the Member for North West Leicestershire council and local councillors, it took us more than an (Andrew Bridgen) described the inconsistencies over hour, and we had no children with us. The policy the three-mile limit and different treatment of people in therefore assumes that the relevant adult has between the same family and said that common sense was required. three and four hours spare walking time a day to That is a fair point. accompany the child. Clearly that is totally unachievable. The point about late notification made by the hon. My example in Leicestershire is not an isolated one. Member for Mid Dorset and North Poole (Annette The Campaign for Better Transport has revealed that Brooke) is particularly relevant. I have come across that 38% of councils are reviewing or cutting transport to problem in my constituency, when parents have been faith schools, and 46% are reviewing or cutting transport told at the very end of term that, from the following to schools other than faith schools. I fully understand term, the bus will not be available. We must do a lot the need to make savings in light of the appalling better on that front. economic legacy left by the previous Government and My hon. Friend the Member for Witham (Priti Patel) the tough choices that that means for our local authorities, mentioned considerations about special educational needs, but there are some changes in services that have potentially which I shall discuss if I have time. We need greater devastating consequences. flexibility there. There are examples of local authorities I want to ask the Minister to address the following that will pay or subsidise parents, where they can, to points: first, will he update the Chamber on the progress provide the transport for those children themselves, made on his Department’s review of efficiency and rather than using expensive chaperoned taxis or school practice in the procurement, planning and provision of buses. Certainly flexibility is a requirement with SEN. school transport across England? Depending on the My hon. Friend the Member for Mid Norfolk (George stage that has been reached, will the review team consider Freeman) also talked about considerations in rural how the safety of travelling children is being assessed by constituencies in particular and the one-size-fits-all councils? approach, which clearly will not work. We must ensure Secondly, will the Minister, perhaps in conjunction that we have a school transport system that reflects with the Department for Communities and Local people’s lifestyles in the 21st century, as well as changes Government, consider whether there is scope for issuing in education and educational establishments. advice or guidance on how local authorities should By saying all that, I have eaten into my time. My hon. handle decision making around the withdrawal of transport Friend the Member for Loughborough has asked for services? In particular, I think there should be advance clarity on four key points, and I will endeavour to consultation requirements, minimum notice periods and provide that during my response. I agree with the broad an obligation on local authorities to work with schools thrust of her remarks. First, school transport is one of and colleges in relation to the provision of alternative those areas where local decisions really do affect local services before services are withdrawn or fundamentally people, and it should not be for Whitehall to dictate changed. such decisions. Thirdly, what is the position of those schools that Secondly, in my position as Minister for Children, I become academies? Does conversion mean that an LEA hear from parents that the safety of their children is one is relieved of all its obligations in relation to home-to-school of their paramount concerns. I have been holding transport? discussions with my colleagues from the Department Finally, will the Minister, perhaps as part of his for Transport, particularly with the Under-Secretary of consideration of the responses to the review, consider State for Transport, the hon. Member for Lewes (Norman whether the time has come for a clearer statutory test on Baker), because we have a joint interest in this matter. whether a route is or is not available? In particular, is it This is clearly an area in which more work needs to be time to drop the assumption that children will be done, and this debate will be a useful addition to the accompanied, and should not child safety be considered wider discussion. I shall include hon. Members who are above all other factors when considering whether a present today and others in the work that we will walking route is now available? undertake in the coming weeks and months. I am grateful to all the hon. Members who have Thirdly, local authorities are having to make difficult attended today for their attention and for their support. decisions and to prioritise the services that they provide, but that cannot and should not be at the cost of the safety of children and young people. 1.18 pm In responding to my hon. Friend’s points, I intend to The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Education set out the legal basis for home-to-school transport, (Tim Loughton): I have barely 12 minutes in which to including the status of guidance available from Government. take up all those questions, and I have a horrible feeling I want to give details on how it is funded, what routes of that I am not going to finish what is a fairly long and redress are available to parents and others and briefly to technical speech. If that happens, I shall give my unsaid update the rather slow progress of the review of efficiency comments to my hon. Friend the Member for and practice commissioned by the Department. Loughborough (Nicky Morgan). I congratulate her on We are debating the Government’s policy on home-to- bringing this important subject to the Chamber. I agree school transport. Like many areas of education policy with all the considerations that she raises. She made that we have inherited, this policy has grown over the some important points, and I pay tribute to the way that past 20 years into a bureaucratic, costly source of she has rolled up her sleeves and seen the situation in frustration for many parents. Local authorities are now her constituency, as a good MP should. spending well in excess of £1 billion a year, yet some are 65WH School Transport10 JANUARY 2012 School Transport 66WH not able to say exactly how many pupils they support or school because of their special educational needs, mobility whether that support is meeting the needs of the children problems or where they cannot reasonably be expected who need it most. to walk because the nature of the route. Certain children As communities have grown and evolved, the links from low-income families are also eligible under schedule between schools, transport and communities have, if 35B. Such provisions are often referred to as the extended anything, become more fragmented. yet I do not wish rights. to paint too bleak a picture. Some authorities have risen Section 508C of the Education Act 1996 provides above the challenges and are making savings to their local authorities with discretionary powers to make budgets, but without the fuss and furore described by travel arrangements for those not covered in 508B and my hon. Friend and other colleagues in the Chamber make financial provision, in full or in part, for travel today. The East Riding of Yorkshire, a predominantly under such arrangements. Those provisions apply rural authority, has developed an in-house software irrespective of whether the school the child attends is a system combined with Ordnance Survey’s geographical maintained school, a foundation school, or as my hon. information system to review the efficiency of all its bus Friend has asked, an academy. routes. The resulting efficiencies arising from the planning and rerouting of a number of existing services, over I have told hon. Members that my contribution would three years, led to more than £1 million of savings. be technical, so I will have to continue at this pace. How is this duty funded? Without going into copious details, The Department decided to start a review to identify local authority transport duties are funded through a and promulgate those very learning points from and for combination of revenue support grant and local generated local authorities. Before launching the external review, council tax. In respect of the extended rights, the Secretary officials from the Department undertook a review of of State for Education provides an additional funding the legal position to examine whether it required any stream which for 2011-12 and 2012-13 amounts to amendment. The coalition has at its heart an ambition £85 million. As this funding is not ring-fenced, it allows to reduce the inequalities in attainment that we still see local authorities to work with their communities and set in our education system. Too many young people’s their priorities accordingly. destiny is governed by their family background and too few quality places are available to all parents. Only As my hon. Friend has stated, local authorities have when every school is a good school can parents feel that already begun to tackle their spending. However, not all they have a real choice from which to express a preference. have approached it in the same methodological manner, Obviously, school choice is relevant to the transport and I have had a number of letters from concerned issue, especially for people who do not live in urban families who say that bus routes have been changed or areas. cut and that they have to find, in relative terms, quite Increasing the supply of good places is paramount to significant sums of money. Many decisions are driven the coalition, which is why we have expanded the academies’ solely by financial constraints, but there are examples programme and established the free schools programme, where the local authority has saved money, managed with the first 24 schools now operational. The theory is the communications well and established a sustainable quite simple: rather than bus the child to the school, process for future changes. Departmental officials are bring the school to the child, and give parents and now working hard to finalise the report and shine a teachers the power to establish a school in their community light on those case studies. It is clear from the review and reduce the reliance on transport as far as possible. that local authorities must make savings and can do so With that rather simple mantra, we concluded that the without the effects on provision that many of us have current legislative basis, while not perfect, is sufficient seen and heard about. to meet the Government’s policy ambitions. Our decision Leicestershire’s allocations were £640,000 in 2011-12 was further strengthened by the experience in Northern and £795,000 this year. Those are not insignificant Ireland, where changes such as revising the statutory sums. I am aware that in some authorities this non-ring- walking distances were considered but not proceeded fenced funding is proving to be generous, and having with on the basis that they would have significant met their statutory responsibilities, some authorities are funding implications—communications, assessments and using their discretion in how they meet any demands so on. Given our economic situation, we were not that they face. That has included making transport willing to commit to such a cost. arrangements for children who are not entitled to free The legal basis of school transport remains unchanged. transport. Local authorities must provide free home to school I also want to set out the legal basis in respect of transport where a child is attending a school beyond the safety. I want it to be clear that responsibility for road statutory walking distances of two miles for pupils safety, even in school transport, actually rests with my below the age of eight and three miles for those aged ministerial colleagues at the Department for Transport. eight and over and no suitable arrangements have been We are as one in our determination to make our roads made by the local authority for the child to attend a as safe as possible, while ensuring that common sense is school closer to their home. applied. There is a statutory duty on local authorities to The Education and Inspections Act 2006 amended ensure that suitable travel arrangements are made for the legislative framework by inserting a number of eligible children for the purpose of facilitating their transport provisions into the Education Act 1996. Of attendance at school. We are quite clear in our statutory relevance for today’s debate are sections 508B and 508C guidance that local authorities are under a duty to make and schedule 35B of the Act. Section 508B places a travel arrangements where the nature of the route is duty on local authorities to provide transport for eligible such that children cannot walk along it in reasonable children. Eligible children are defined in schedule 35B. safety—accompanied as necessary—where the distance They include those children who are unable to walk to is within the statutory walking limit. 67WH School Transport10 JANUARY 2012 School Transport 68WH

[Tim Loughton] changes are unlikely. The guidance will continue to reflect both case law and education legislation requirements. In assessing route availability, authorities are obliged It will be amended to be easier to use and follow and to to conduct an assessment of the risks that children may accommodate legislation changes, but there will be no encounter on the route. They include the volume and additional pressure on assessors to make walking routes speed of traffic along roads, overhanging trees or branches available. and ditches, rivers and so on. The age of the children In conducting an assessment of a walking route, must also be considered and any assessment should there will be an element of subjectivity, given the wide take place at the time of day that children are expected range and mix of roads and surrounding terrain. That to use the route. That is common sense, but it does not makes it difficult to advise on every eventuality and always happen. Many local authorities follow the guidelines capture the subtleties in a definitive statutory instruction. provided by Road Safety GB, which is the national However, Road Safety GB considers that the guidance organisation that represents local government road safety sets the parameters appropriately, drawing on case law teams across the UK and works with them in fulfilling and education legislation, so that any personal judgment their statutory role. required by assessors is not too great. In the light of While ensuring that children remain safe, local authorities those safeguards, further intervention by the Government should, quite properly, take advantage of improved into assessment practice will simply be a bureaucratic measuring technology and route availability that takes burden, which is something that we are actively trying into account new building and infrastructure developments, to resist. in identifying new and suitable walking routes where On the subject of local consultation and local decisions, previously there was no right of way. That is where the I understand that when proposing changes there is a use of new technology, such as the public sector mapping need for sensitivity and reassurance over children’s safety agreement, which provides authorities with free digital and that there is an opportunity for parents to challenge geographic mapping data, has resulted in authorities and debate with the authority. That is why the statutory being able to plan more efficient walking and school guidance states that local authorities should consult bus routes. That has led to significant efficiency savings widely on proposed policy changes and that at least without authorities having to withdraw services. The 28 days, in term time, should be set aside for the process draft report will recommend better use of freely available to be completed. Local authorities should also have in public sector data to build a picture of service provision place, and publish, a robust appeals procedure for parents and use. to follow should they have a disagreement with regard to the provision of transport. As I am not satisfied that The processes followed by Road Safety GB are accepted we have such a procedure, I will take the matter away as the industry norm, and that best practice has been and reconsider it. built up over many years. Indeed, Road Safety GB is in the process of refreshing its guidance, and although we Jim Sheridan (in the Chair): Order. We must move on await the final outcome, I am informed that substantial to the next debate. 69WH 10 JANUARY 2012 Deregulation 70WH

Deregulation particularly enamoured of how much regulation the single market has brought to our shores. In particular, I am thinking of aspects of certain environmental directives, 1.30 pm such as the habitats directive or the water directive. Dr Thérèse Coffey (Suffolk Coastal) (Con): Thank In a recent statement, the Chancellor said that we you, Mr Sheridan, for calling me to speak. It is a want to review quite a lot of those directives, not only to pleasure to serve under your chairmanship in this important check that they are having the desired effects—the UK debate about Government policy on deregulation. Government would not have signed up to them if they I secured this debate partly to publicise the Government’s did not wish to see a more general approach in particular desire to slash red tape for businesses—and, indeed, in areas—but to ask whether we are being over-zealous in every walk of life—but also to encourage businesses to our interpretation of the directives. Are we getting the be very specific, and to participate in the review of red balance right between what is in the interests of people tape so that we do as much as we can to get rid of the and what is in the interests of nature? Are we getting red tape that is strangling parts of our industry. the balance right between consumer and producer? It If I were giving a termly report, I would say to the is critical that we ensure that we have a harmonised Minister and his colleagues, “Good progress so far, but approach to understanding how directives should be could do even better.” I agree with others that many implemented; we certainly should not gold-plate them huge strides have been made. Understandably, the topic in their implementation. of red tape has the full attention of the Prime Minister Just last week, I met farmers from my community and No. 10 Downing street, but it is important that it who are worried about the water directives, how they has the attention of all Departments, covering every have been implemented, and the risk that implementation industry possible. causes in terms of abstraction. That matters because My challenge to the Minister and his colleagues is to Suffolk is a great producer of many of the crops that we go further and faster, because in many cases deregulation all enjoy around the UK. Suffolk has three potato is free; in fact, it will often save businesses and Government seasons a year, and it also produces other root vegetables. money. Even more importantly, however, we all know If Suffolk was not producing that quantity and quality that regulation often drives cost. That relates not only of food, we would basically have to start importing a lot to implementation by businesses of measures such as more food. We must ensure that we get the balance the waste electrical and electronic equipment directive, right. Elements of food security matter, but so does the but the bureaucracy, including inspection to check that environment. We have to respect the environment, sustaining measures have been implemented. Regulation is a self- it for the future, and our own farmers know that better perpetuating industry. We know that the forces of than anybody else; they do not want to put themselves conservatism are entrenched when it comes to ensuring out of business overnight. A balanced, sensible, common- that we have good regulation, which often means a lot sense approach, which involves farmers as much as of regulation. However, the Minister and I know, as do possible, is needed. many other Members, that it is not a case of having no regulation; often, it is a case of having better regulation There is another community initiative in my area that and less regulation. has recently been affected by regulation. Plans for a It will take great will-power to wrench aspects of community transport bus are being frustrated at the bureaucracy into the post-bureaucratic age. Take a simple moment because of a restriction that means that people thing like the requirement for companies to keep six who passed their driving test after 1995 can carry only a years’ accounts or VAT records. If there are not going certain amount of weight. That is another European to be tax losses, why do we not trim that requirement directive that was probably common sense when it was down to two or three years? There is a desire by Government introduced, but it has meant that fewer and fewer to make sure that companies have information, just in people can volunteer to be drivers, or can get their case. There are other aspects of administration that expenses back. That is because the allowable driving require businesses to provide information constantly to weight limit was set some time ago. Of course, those the Government, whether it is to the Office for National who drive people in wheelchairs, or something similar, Statistics or other bodies. Frankly, all those things add around will know that those pieces of equipment have very little value to a business in its own microcosm; often since become heavier as more technologies are basically, they provide information for free to the installed in them. As a consequence, fewer people than Government; they are a way of generating data. In the we would like are able to fill the important role of macro-economic sphere, they may seem good, but if volunteer driver. businesses are employing people just to generate statistics Of course, it is not only European directives that we or other information for the Government, just in case it have put into our regulation; many directives are home- is needed, or to comply with a policy, or to satisfy an grown, and they often come about in reaction to particular insurer, and so on, the risk is that businesses will use events. Dare I say that the “something must be done” that talent and those resources not seeking to grow, but brigade see something happen, and may react by saying, seeking to comply. “Something must be done about it; let’s regulate to try Of course the European Union has been a huge and change this behaviour”? We all know that it is not source of the regulations that have been brought into necessarily possible to change behaviour by legislating. British law. The majority of the regulations imported We can try to criminalise certain activities, but what is from the EU have been generated as a result of the really important is having more positive indications of single market and the EU continuing to issue directives. how we want people, companies and indeed our own Although I think that we are all great supporters of councils to behave, rather than simply having a rule the single market, I am sure that many of us are not whereby they must do something. 71WH Deregulation10 JANUARY 2012 Deregulation 72WH

Elizabeth Truss (South West Norfolk) (Con): Does drafting simpler legislation, but a lot of it is about not my hon. Friend agree that quite often the regulations trying to regulate for every possible scenario. One of the that we are discussing have a disproportionate effect on challenges that our country has been facing—this is no small businesses? For example, farmers in South West criticism of the people involved—is that an openness to Norfolk who are struggling with the natural habitats having everything in regulation means that measures directive have had to have endless meetings with the can become a lawyers’ picnic, with everything open to local council, Natural England and the Department for judicial review. The constant desire to put everything in Environment, Food and Rural Affairs to sort things statute is a huge challenge, because people almost cannot out, which is a huge burden on their administrative turn for the risk of being taken to court or to judicial time. Moreover, quite often, large businesses, particularly review. That is not to say, of course, that people should in the banking and energy sectors, lobby Government not have recourse to action when something is patently and support them in introducing more regulation, because unfair, but we all, as Members of Parliament, need to they see regulation as a barrier to entry for smaller consider whether we will end up with lawyers and businesses that are trying to enter those important judges deciding what is right and wrong, rather than markets. Parliament deciding on that through better laws.

Dr Coffey: My hon. Friend makes a fair point, and Priti Patel (Witham) (Con): I congratulate my hon. on the subject of energy, the energy red tape challenge Friend on securing the debate. Businesses, certainly in will close in less than an hour, according to the Twitter my constituency but also across the country, definitely feed on the red tape challenge. welcome the Government’s agenda of deregulating much more, but does she agree that small and medium-sized I understand my hon. Friend’s point completely. There businesses are still deeply sceptical and concerned about is an interesting balance to be struck in legislating for the constant battles they face, including legal judgments safety by introducing regulations. I agree with her that and even with local authorities, which seem to think we do not want unnecessary regulations introduced to they know best, when it is the businesses themselves try to keep cartels or oligopolies going. Whether it is in that know how to get on and make the right decisions to response to the REACH—registration, evaluation, thrive and grow? authorisation and restriction of chemicals—directive or the herbal products directive, which we are busy trying Dr Coffey: My hon. Friend makes an excellent point, to implement at the moment in response to European especially about the role of local authorities. With her laws that have been passed, there is an argument for pedigree in a family business and through her subsequent allowing people to make their own decisions and choices, work, she knows about the challenges that people in our rather than having regulation decide things for them. constituencies face every day. I will mention one case. I also wanted to refer to my hon. Friend’s work on To my surprise, my local district council has responded child care. She has done quite a lot of policy work about in an over-the-top way to a deemed health and safety the cost of child care, and how costs that have been risk. In one part of the country, problems were identified driven into the industry mean that child care becomes with a commercial building’s liquefied petroleum gas exceptionally expensive for parents who want to go to tank, and that led to a measure, across the country, to work, but who sometimes cannot afford to, or for investigate every such LPG tank. That led to a series of whom work seems only to pay for the costs of child visits, and to changes having to be made. Tanks have care. The question is rightly being asked: what is driving not exploded and no risk has been identified, but the that cost? Looking after children of course takes skill, tanks must now have cages and there must be a clearing but it need not take a graduate degree. Over the years, away from the site. There was also a two-page detailed we have ended up with various regulations, leading to a submission by the council officer, essentially telling situation in 2009 when two police officers were told that people that they had to provide details, written instructions, they could not look after each other’s children for more training, and a sign to explain how to call the emergency than so many hours at a time because, as they were not services, instead of allowing our local pub to use common registered as child minders, the activity was deemed sense: “If there’s a fire, I’ll tell you what: you just call illegal. The Government looked into the matter, but this 999.” I was told: “Well, that business might not have is another example of common sense being replaced by mainly English-speaking people working in it.” For some bright spark’s desire to ensure that children are God’s sake, let us use our common sense, so that council looked after only by child minders, rather than by their officers are talking to their businesses and not issuing parents’ friends or colleagues. two-page template instructions about how to dial 999. Another issue that comes up regularly is the portability I appreciate that setting out laws represents an of the Criminal Records Bureau check. Someone going ambition—a way of ensuring that we do things in a into a school might need five different CRB checks, certain manner—but I encourage the Government to depending on the activity they want to do. I know that try to not only take the scissors to red tape, as they are the Government are looking into such issues but, as I already doing, but to get out the shears and really start said at the start of my speech, I encourage them to go hacking back. This is about supporting common sense much further, much faster. Not only will that help their and having simpler legislation. I have every confidence constituents, but it will free up Government time to in the Minister, but please, let us go for as short a focus on what really matters—assisting people at home haircut as we can. and helping businesses to grow and to employ people. The Prime Minister is reported to have said in the 1.45 pm past few days that he is looking for Ministers to ensure The Minister of State, Department for Business, Innovation that their Bills pass the U-turn test—in other words, to and Skills (Mr Mark Prisk): I certainly need a haircut. I ensure that there are no U-turns. Some of this is about congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Suffolk 73WH Deregulation10 JANUARY 2012 Deregulation 74WH

Coastal (Dr Coffey) on securing this debate and on her one-in, one-out system has had the effect of rejecting excellent contribution. In particular, I accept the argument, many of those measures and forcing Whitehall to change “Good progress, could to better,” not because I am its habits, and by the end of last year, we had got to the unambitious, but because it is important to be realistic. point of only 89 new measures being agreed, only 19 of Businesses have heard a lot of rhetoric from politicians which would impose any cost on business. of all parties on this issue, but the reality on the ground In the first year—I say this with caution—one-in, has often been of a lesser degree, so wanting to ensure a one-out has started to have an impact on the flow of consistent approach has been crucial to our stance. new regulations, although it is far from perfect. I want This issue has vexed Governments for many years— to ensure that the message from the Better Regulation throughout my lifetime, in fact. The previous Administration Executive and me, as the Minister with responsibility, is had a strong rhetoric on the issue, but in the end were clear. We have made an encouraging start, but, as my delivering the equivalent of six new regulations every hon. Friend the Member for Suffolk Coastal rightly working day, which is a daunting inheritance. As my said, we could do better. We need to strengthen and hon. Friend rightly pointed out, the problem lies partly enhance that. in that natural tension between the wider social and There have been substantial changes in some areas. political agenda of any Government and how we deregulate. One-in, one-out has helped to get Departments to think It is true that when a tragedy occurs—my hon. Friend about the picture in the round. For example, the Department alluded to this when she talked about something needing for Business, Innovation and Skills has launched its to be done—the public pressure on parliamentarians own employment law review. There has been a package and Government can often be overwhelming, even when, of changes on employment tribunals, on commissioning looked at objectively, evidence for new laws is thin. This an independent review of managing sickness absence, debate is constantly held in Government. which is a critical issue for business and on launching an We as a Government have taken a different approach. employers’ charter to rebalance the agenda. Rather than find 200 or 300 regulations that we should We have agreed to create a universally portable Criminal get rid of and leave it at that, we are trying to be Records Bureau check that employers can view online systematic. Our approach recognises the tension between instantly, thus reducing the duplication in the process the wider goals of any Government and the purpose and making it easier to access. Naturally, it will maintain of deregulation and seeks to change the very culture of the minimum check that we want to ensure that children Whitehall, so that regulation becomes the last resort are safe, but it will reduce the ridiculous paperwork and not the first option. To do that, we first sought to embroiled in the process. establish a system to cap the cost of new domestic regulation—the one-in, one-out system, which I will Similarly, on health and safety, we intend to implement discuss in a moment. We then matched it with a systematic all Professor Löfstedt’s recommendations, which include review of all existing regulations, through the red tape exempting up to 1 million self-employed people from challenge, which I will update Members on in a moment. many health and safety rules designed for multi-nationals. Those policies are supplemented by an intention to My hon. Friend the Member for South West Norfolk sunset new regulations, to establish a regulatory moratorium (Elizabeth Truss) made an excellent point about rules on micro-enterprises—that addresses the point made by being set, possibly conveniently for large businesses, my hon. Friend the Member for Witham (Priti Patel)—and that are disproportionate for the self-employed and for by our recently announced review of regulators and smaller firms. local enforcement. I will come on to that as well, The red tape challenge and the question of Europe because very often it is not the legislation but how it is are related. The red tape challenge matches the wish of enforced that drives the small business crazy. Alongside the one-in, one-out policy to examine systematically that domestic agenda, we have sought to reduce the what is already on the statute book. It is not easy to be burden of regulation coming from Brussels, first by exact, but we think that the statute book incorporates ending the routine habit of gold-plating everything that approximately 21,000 measures, 11,000 or so of which comes from there and, secondly, by actively seeking an have a direct bearing on business. It is a mammoth task, exemption from EU legislation for small businesses, as Members will appreciate. We intend systematically to and I would like to update Members on that point. review and cull unnecessary, burdensome or ineffective I shall look at each element, to bring the core points regulations. together and to answer some of the points raised by my We have grouped regulations into themes to make it hon. Friend the Member for Suffolk Coastal. Turning easier to see the picture in the round. The website has to new regulations, last January we introduced the featured 13 themes, and the Star Chamber, which goes one-in, one-out system to cap their cost, so Ministers through regulations item by item with civil servants have to balance the cost of new regulations by making a from all the relevant Departments, has examined five commensurate reduction in the existing regulatory burden. themes completely. The environmental themes, to which We think, as businesses have to, about the picture in the my hon. Friend the Member for Suffolk Coastal referred, round, not just about the single measure that we have are before us at the moment. The points that she made been charged with getting through Westminster. That is have been mirrored in many of our discussions. I welcome important, because when running a business it is not the her contribution. If she wants to add to it after the single measure that breaks one’s back but the cumulative debate, I shall be happy to ensure that her comments burden of regulations. are incorporated into the process. When we began the process in January of last year, Of the 1,200 measures that we have considered so far, 157 regulations were in preparation, 119 of which would more than half will be either scrapped or substantially have imposed a cost on business, and many more have improved. On 15 December last year, 84 defunct regulations come through the system in the past 12 months. The were removed from the statute book by the House. The 75WH Deregulation10 JANUARY 2012 Deregulation 76WH

[Mr Mark Prisk] it does mean that the Minister in question will have to bring it before their Cabinet colleagues to justify why. process in law has begun in Westminster, not just in That is an important deterrent. Whitehall. To reverse the situation, we must ensure that We also need to go back further in the policy-making the sausage machine is put into reverse and that we process in Europe. That is why, last March, the Prime regularly remove measures from the statute book. Key Minister wrote to President Barroso and Herman Van measures include overhauling employment tribunals, Rompuy, the President of the European Council, calling replacing 12 sets of consumer rules and laws with a for new burdens on business to be offset by savings single consumer bill of rights, implementing a wholesale elsewhere. Members can see that the principle of the deregulation of entertainment licensing and simplifying cumulative burden has been introduced. Since then, we poisons licensing. Some of the most serious poisons are have secured a commitment from the European on the same list as fly spray. My hon. Friend rightly Commission to reverse the burden of proof when including described the rather crude way in which significant and micro-businesses in the scope of EU legislation. The minor risks are lumped together, sometimes for all the EU must justify why a micro-business should be included, wrong historical reasons. That must be addressed, and rather than assuming that it should. That is an important poisons are a classic example. first principle. To illustrate, we have agreed with EU We are cutting the number of different sets of food Ministers to exempt micro-businesses from certain EU labelling regulations from a rather dazzling 31 to 17, accounting rules. We think that that will save UK small and maybe we need to do a little more. We are removing businesses approximately £150 million to £300 million needless energy rules that currently tie up the process of in annual costs. That is an important shift, and it sets a short-term holiday letting, which is important in East precedent. Once it is seen that that can be done in that Anglia. We are also scrapping 80 of the 107 regulations field, there is no reason why it cannot be explored considered in the hospitality, food and drinks sector. elsewhere. Those are important changes. It is not just the Commission or the Council with which we must concern ourselves; often, it is also the We have incorporated the habitat and wildlife directive European Parliament, where there are also strong voices into our consideration of environmental law under the similarly in favour of saying “Something must be done.” red tape challenge. How could we not? However, the red That is why, working with Members of the European tape challenge cannot rewrite set European legislation. Parliament across the coalition, we have secured the What we can do is ask ourselves, “Are we implementing European Parliament’s agreement that it will conduct this in a minimal way and a way that is reasonable for independent impact assessments on its substantive those whom we seek to regulate? Is the information that amendments. It has also set up a specific unit to consider we seek from those organisations in a form and of a that work. In other words, when a measure is introduced, scale that it is reasonable to expect them to fulfil?” It is the European Parliament can now say, “Hang on a easy for a large department of 2,000 people not to moment. What will that cost?” The cost can be judged realise that a three-person business finds it a heck of a independently. That is an important start, although we challenge to fill in endless survey forms and still earn need to go a lot further. Now that we have those a living. matrices, the next step is to ensure that they are On Europe, we recognise that we need to deal with implemented. the issue fundamentally. That is why we started last year In conclusion, rather than just finding 50 popular with a new set of guiding principles. The first was to end measures to get rid of and leaving it at that, we have the routine gold-plating of EU laws. My hon. Friend tried to address the root problem. During the next week the Member for South West Norfolk is absolutely right or so, I will set out for the House the details of what we that large, well-established lobbying voices can argue did in 2011, so that people can see measure for measure, that it would be really good for Britain to have enhanced item for item and cost for cost exactly what has gone, rules—just slightly more than the minimum standard, what is going and what will stay. Over the past 12 months, as they might describe it, in Europe. “It would be good, we have sought to turn the oil tanker around, change Minister,” they say, “to make things crystal clear by direction and ensure that we not only cap the cost of setting out all 74 possible circumstances in legislation. new regulation and reduce the burden of existing That would be really helpful. Clarity would be brought.” regulations, but tackle the burden of EU regulations That is the natural argument presented. and how the UK implements them. Together, those things will make a good start, but as my hon. Friend the To prevent that, we have put in place a principle Member for Suffolk Coastal rightly said, we recognise saying that the default position is that we will simply that there is much more to be done. copy what is in the agreed directive into UK law unless Question put and agreed to. that would clearly affect UK interests adversely. That is a fundamental shift from the default position. It does 1.59 pm not mean that no measure will ever be gold-plated, but Sitting adjourned. 1WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 2WS

many councils have room for manoeuvre with their Written Ministerial finances that can help them deliver more efficient local services in future years. Statements Local audit arrangements Following the decision to abolish the Audit Commission, Tuesday 10 January 2012 the Government sought views last year on a new, more transparent and accountable local public audit framework that would reduce the cost of public audit and maintain TREASURY high standards of scrutiny over public money. On 4 January, my Department published proposals Finance Bill for its next steps for the audit of local public bodies. The new framework will free local bodies to appoint their own independent auditors from an open and The Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury (Mr David competitive market. It will be based on the private Gauke): The Finance Bill will be published on Thursday sector audit model with transparent regulation overseen 29 March. by the Financial Reporting Council and the National Explanatory notes on the Bill will be available in the Audit Office. Separate arrangements will be developed Vote Office and the Printed Paper Office and placed in for smaller bodies like parish councils. the Libraries of both Houses on that day. Copies of the The Government intend to bring forward legislation explanatory notes will be available on the Treasury’s to formally close down the Audit Commission and website. introduce the new framework as soon as parliamentary time allows. A draft Bill will be published for pre-legislative scrutiny in the spring. COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT Supporting home ownership In November 2011, my Department published an Department’s Work (Christmas Recess) ambitious housing strategy to tackle the housing shortage, boost the economy, create jobs and give people the opportunity to get on the housing ladder. The Secretary of State for Communities and Local The housing strategy included an announcement of Government (Mr Eric Pickles): I would like to update our plans to increase the right to buy. Right to buy can hon. Members on the main items of business undertaken promote opportunity and boost social mobility for by my Department since the House rose for Christmas social housing tenants but restrictions on discounts in recess on 20 December 2011. recent years have limited the impact of the scheme. To Community budgets ensure that there is no reduction in the supply of affordable Decentralisation of funding and ensuring greater value homes any additional home bought under the right to for taxpayers’ money are key goals for my Department. buy will, for the first time, lead directly to the provision On 21 December, my Department announced 14 new of a new affordable home for rent on a one-to-one basis. community budget areas that will be able to combine On 22 December the Department published our proposals resources into a locally co-ordinated funding pot with to increase the discount cap under the right to buy greater local control that will help improve services for scheme to £50,000, making it easier for social tenants to local people. buy their homes. Four “whole place” pilots will create a joint team Also on 22 December, my Department announced with local partners to establish devolved budget proposals further details of the £420 million get Britain building with decision-making structures for a locally run operation fund. The fund will help builders with planning permission during this year. This will help achieve significant public get back onto housing sites that have been shut down sector savings, cut red tape and improve policy making. because of problems accessing development finance. Ten “neighbourhood level”areas have also been selected Over the next two years, this £420 million fund is to develop smaller scale community budgets that will expected to unlock up to 16,000 homes on sites that are give residents a micro-local level say over the services currently stalled, and help create up to 30,000 jobs in they want and use. The local community will play a construction and related industries. leading role, working with councils and professionals, The Government want to see investment and to shape local services so they work from a customer’s support right across the housing sector to improve the perspective. rental market and opportunities for homeownership. Council reserves On 23 December, my Department confirmed that Reflecting our commitment to greater local government Sir Adrian Montague will lead a review of barriers to transparency, on 29 December, my Department published investment in rented homes. The review will examine detailed figures for council budget reserves based on how best to encourage greater investment in rental revenue budget forecast returns for 2011-12 provided by properties—helping support the rapid growth of the local authorities. Overall, English local authorities expect private rented sector by increasing the supply of affordable to be holding £10.8 billion in reserves on 31 March homes. 2012. Their forecasts a year ago on 31 March 2011 Social housing totalled £11 billion. On 5 January, my Department published new allocations Determining the level and use of reserves is a matter guidance for consultation that will release councils and for individual local authorities, taking into account housing associations from the shackles of the current local challenges and priorities. However, this demonstrates tick-box approach for allocating social homes. 3WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 4WS

The new freedoms will ensure councils and housing own homes, or in care homes. This is in addition to associations can reward achievement and encourage work already underway to look at new and innovative housing mobility—so scarce and precious social homes ways in which elderly people can fund their future care go to people who genuinely need and deserve them the needs without having to resort to selling their property. most, such as hard working families and ex-servicemen Traveller sites and women. On 7 January 2012, my Department announced the At the same time, housing providers will be able to successful outcome of bids for £60 million of funding tackle the tenants who are able to work but do not take that will provide new authorised pitches and better up opportunities for jobs. For too long there has been a facilities for travellers on official sites. The Homes and sense of unfairness over who gets to live in social Communities Agency have completed their assessment housing, with a common belief that tenancies only go of bids and have recommended offers that will deliver to those who know how to play the system. over 750 new and improved pitches at a cost of £47 million. Several councils have already indicated they want to The remaining fund will continue to be considered and introduce a new flexible approach to manage allocations— the agency will help those who did not see their bids Westminster, Southend and Manchester councils will approved to resubmit improved offers. prioritise those who show responsibility and make an This support for official traveller pitches goes hand in effort to find work, and in Wandsworth those tenants hand with action against unauthorised traveller sites. on new flexible contracts who do not make an effort to Through the Localism Act, the Government are introducing find work will risk losing their tenancy. stronger powers for councils to tackle the abuse of Homelessness retrospective planning permission. These strengthened powers are helping councils tackle any form of unauthorised On 21 December, my Department announced an development. The new authorised travellers’ sites will additional £20 million to provide single people facing provide help to reduce the number of unauthorised homelessness more housing options to ensure they do sites, which create tensions between travellers and the not have to spend time on the streets. This funding is in settled community. addition to the £400 million preventing homelessness grant. The last Government’s approach was ineffective because traveller site funding was allocated but often remained A new programme will also be introduced to help unspent. By imposing top-down targets for traveller local authorities improve their homelessness prevention sites, local councils were compelled to encroach onto process for single people. the green belt and open countryside, harming community Some £8 million from the homelessness transition relations and further leading to an increase in the fund, which was set up to help support the national number of unauthorised sites. rough sleeping strategy, has been allocated to Flag flying regulations 19 communities across England to support a national On 6 January, my Department set out proposals to roll out of London flagship “No Second Night Out”. allow a much wider range of flags to be flown without The initiative works with local communities to help the need for planning permission. Under current planning provide the accommodation and support for rough rules, only a select group of flags can be flown without sleepers. express permission from councils and a fee of up to Helping the elderly £335. Under the new rules, people will be able to fly a On 3 January, the Department for Health announced much wider range of flags including the flags of football a one-off additional £150 million will be allocated to and cricket teams or towns and villages. It will also primary care trusts in England, for immediate transfer allow communities to show support for our armed to local authorities for investment in social care services forces by easing rules on flying local regimental flags. which also benefit the health system. For those needing If people want to celebrate something that is important adaptations to their homes, the Government have confirmed to them by flying a flag they should be able to do so an additional £20 million for disabled facilities grants— without having to fill in forms or paying town hall bringing the total to £200 million for 2011-12 alone. officials for the privilege. This will make it easier for We are also providing £51 million towards home people to celebrate their allegiance to a cause, a county improvement agencies, who will provide help and advice or a local organisation if they choose to do so. including: I am placing the press notices and documents associated with these announcements in the Library of the House. housing advice, including help to move to more suitable accommodation if needed; handyperson services, including small home repairs, home safety and security adaptations; CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT energy efficiency advice; and arranging for adaptations and home repairs to be made, including grab rails, stair-lifts and major work such as ground Youth Sport Strategy floor extensions. These agencies also offer hospital discharge services— The Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media ensuring older people leaving hospital care are given the and Sport (Mr Jeremy Hunt): Today I am announcing a support they need to be able to recuperate in the comfort new youth sport strategy, designed to create a sporting of their own homes. habit for life among young people. We are also providing £1.5 million funding for FirstStop, This Government are committed to creating a lasting which provides independent advice to older people looking sporting legacy from the Olympic and Paralympic games to plan their future housing needs—whether in their and making good on the original promise to use the 5WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 6WS

London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic games to inspire Our response has been justifiably robust. The Uruguayan a new generation and create a deep and lasting legacy of ambassador was formally summoned to the FCO and I sports participation in every community. spoke twice to the Uruguayan Foreign Minister to However, since 2005 when we won the bid to stage the underline how seriously we regard this development. games, participation rates in sport in England have Our ambassadors in the region were instructed to call fallen, particularly among young people. Our new approach on their host Governments to express our strong objection aims to arrest this decline and will have a strong focus to the Mercosur statement and to assess the practical on providing the necessary opportunities and infrastructure implications for vessels operating between the Falklands for young people to develop a sporting habit for life. and south America. Over the next five years £1 billion of lottery and Exchequer We made it clear that the decision to close ports to funding will be invested to ensure that young people are ships flying the Falklands flag has no legal basis, and regularly playing sport and continuing their participation that it would be unacceptable and unbecoming for any in sport into their adult life. This investment has been Latin American democracy to collaborate in Argentina’s made available through the Government’s lottery reforms attempts to economically blockade the Falkland Islands. that have resulted in more lottery money going to sport. We reiterated our strong support for the rights of the We are seeking consistent increases in the proportion islanders to determine their political future, and also of people regularly playing sport and, in particular, we made clear that any attempts to coerce them through want to raise the number of 14 to 25 year olds who take economic or other pressures would be resisted by the up sport as a habit for life. British Government. Such actions are inconsistent with the principles of the United Nations charter and the We will do this, in partnership with Sport England, rights of the Falkland Islands people to trade openly by building a lasting legacy of competitive sport in and without hindrance. schools through the school games; improving links between community sports clubs and schools, further education While we do not accept that the decision to refuse colleges and universities—with the five biggest sports entry to vessels flying the Falklands flag has any basis in (football, rugby league, rugby union, cricket and tennis) international law, our priority has been to ensure that leading the way; working with the sports national governing the trade and commercial links between the Falklands bodies (NGBs) and ensuring that they focus their funding and south America are not compromised by this political on activities that promote sport as a habit for life declaration. We have had productive and honest discussions among young people; putting significant investment with Uruguay, Chile and Brazil. All three countries into new and upgraded sports facilities, including funding have said that they have no intention of participating in schools to enable them to open up their sports facilities an economic blockade of the Falkland Islands and that to the public; and working with local authorities, voluntary all Falklands-related commercial shipping will continue and community groups and clubs to make the broadest to enjoy access to their ports, in accordance with domestic possible sporting offer to young people. and international law, if they are flying the red ensign or another national flag when docked. We will institute a new performance management regime, with a strict payment-by-results system. For I hope that others in the region will continue to sports that do not deliver on their ambitions, funding recognise that differences of opinion over UK sovereignty will be withdrawn; for those that are delivering well, of the Falkland Islands can not justify collusion in they will be able to access more funds in order to efforts to intimidate an innocent civilian population expand their good work. Value for money will be a key through economic pressure. The British Government consideration and NGBs will need to demonstrate how will always ensure that the Falkland Islanders’ right to they will have an impact on participation at the local determine their political future is respected. level. NGBs must also meet high standards of governance More broadly, we will continue to strengthen our and financial control. All public funding allocated will engagement of Latin America, as I set out in my Canning be published and meet Government transparency guidelines. House speech in November 2010. The UK has considerable political, economic and security interests in the region, with high potential for future economic growth through partnership with Latin America. I am confident that FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE this important agenda is consistent, and indeed mutually reinforcing, with our desire to ensure that the interests and wishes of the Falkland Islanders are protected. Falkland Islands

The Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth HEALTH Affairs (Mr William Hague): I would like to update the House on the British Government’s response to statements made in south America regarding the Falkland Islands NHS Future Forum during the Christmas recess. On 15 December the Government of Uruguay declared that they would deny access to their ports to ships flying The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): the Falklands flag. This was followed five days later by a The Department of Health commissioned the independent statement from the summit of the Mercosur group of NHS Future Forum in the summer to conduct a second countries (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, listening exercise on a series of key issues for health and with associate members including Chile) that echoed care. The NHS Future Forum submitted its report to the Uruguayan announcement. the Department on 20 December and it has been published 7WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 8WS today. The report contains a series of recommendations “Smaller Government: Shrinking the Quango state” for Government and for key bodies in the system in the setting out the coalition’s plans for reforming the public areas of: bodies sector. It includes the requirement to undertake integration; triennial reviews of executive and advisory non- information; departmental public bodies (NDPBs). the NHS’s role in improving the public’s health; and The Legal Services Act 2007 established the Legal education and training. Services Board (LSB) as the oversight regulator for the The Department is pleased to be able to accept all the legal profession and the Office for Legal Complaints forum’s recommendations for Government and has today (OLC), to administer a new, independent and fair published its response to the report. ombudsman scheme for service complaints against Also published today is “Liberating the NHS: Developing authorised persons. The LSB and the OLC were established the Healthcare Workforce, From Design to Delivery”, in January 2009 and July 2009 respectively. which sets out the Government’s policy for a new education To deliver the coalition Government’s commitment and training system, and details how the Government to transparency and accountability the LSB and the are addressing the forum’s recommendations on education OLC will be subject to individual, but linked triennial and training. reviews. The Ministry of Justice, as the sponsoring All documents published have been placed in the Department, has today launched a consultation which Library. Copies are available to hon. Members from the will last for a period of 12 weeks inviting views. In line Vote Office and to noble Lords from the Printed Paper with Cabinet Office guidance the reviews will consider Office. the following for each body: the continuing need for the LSB and the OLC—both their PIP Silicone Gel Breast Implants functions and their form; and where it is agreed that either or both should remain, to The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): review the control and governance arrangements in place Approximately 40,000 women in the UK have had to ensure that the public body is complying with recognised implants manufactured by the French manufacturer principles of good corporate governance. Poly Implant Prosthèse (PIP). These implants were In conducting the triennial reviews, officials will be made of a non-medical grade silicone gel, which was engaging with a broad range of stakeholders and users withdrawn from use across Europe on 30 March 2010 of both bodies. The reviews will be aligned with guidance following investigations at the PIP plant in France. published by the Cabinet Office: “Guidance on Reviews The recommendation of the French Government on of Non-Departmental Public Bodies”. The final reports 23 December that these should be removed has caused and findings will be laid in this House. understandable worry for women affected. My primary concern is for safety and well-being, which is why I asked the NHS medical director, Sir Bruce Keogh to convene an expert advisory group to review the available TRANSPORT data on PIP implants. My Department published the interim report of the Blue Badge Improvement Service expert advisory group on Friday 6 January 2012. It also published a letter from the NHS chief executive, Sir David Nicholson, to the chief executives of all NHS The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport bodies and from the chief medical officer, Dame Sally (Norman Baker): I am today providing an update on Davies, to all general practitioners and other relevant implementation of the blue badge reform programme health professionals. that I announced in February 2011. Taken together, these documents provide authoritative One of the key reforms to the blue badge scheme is advice to women and clinical professionals about the the blue badge improvement service. This service has risks associated with PIP implants. The expert advisory been developed in close consultation with disabled people group concluded that there is not enough evidence to and local authorities. It is a major initiative aimed at recommend routine explantation of the implants, although tackling rising levels of badge fraud and abuse, helping they also recognised this is a worrying time for women to ensure that disabled people receive improved customer with PIP implants. The documents therefore set out the service and ensuring that the scheme remains sustainable model of care to be provided to NHS patients, and the in the long term for those who rely on it most. expectation that the private sector would follow suit. The blue badge improvement service became operational These documents have been placed in the Library. on 1 January 2012. I am pleased to say that every local Copies are available to hon. Members from the Vote authority in England has signed up to use the service Office and to noble Lords from the Printed Paper and I would like to thank them all for their support in Office. I will keep the House updated. helping to deliver important and necessary changes that are vital for the future sustainable operation of the blue JUSTICE badge scheme. The service should also help them to realise efficiency savings of up to £20 million per year. Legal Services Board and Office for Legal Complaints In an innovative move by the Department for Transport, Triennial Reviews the capital costs of the service are being met through private sector investment from Northgate Information The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice Solutions who will deliver the secure web-based service, (Mr Jonathan Djanogly): In March 2011 the Government and Payne Security who will print, supply and distribute responded to the Public Accounts Committee report the newly designed badge. 9WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 10WS

The service establishes a common store of key Midlands and South Yorkshire. There will also be direct information on badges and badge holders that will links to Heathrow Airport and to the continent via the enable verification checks to be made quickly and easily. HSl line. It will form a foundation for a potentially To counter fraud, the design of the blue badge was wider high speed network in years to come. changed in regulations that came into force on 1 December HS2 will be built in two phases to ensure that the 2011. The old-style cardboard badges have been replaced benefits of high speed rail are realised at the earliest by new ones made from a fused and bonded hard possible opportunity. The line from London to the West plastic material and which contain a number of overt Midlands and the connection to HSl are expected to and covert security features. open in 2026, followed, in 2032-33, by the onward legs For the first time, people can now apply for a blue to Manchester and Leeds and the connection to Heathrow. badge using a national system that is available on Directgov. The capital cost at 2011 prices of building the complete This should result in a quicker turnaround time for Y network is £32.7 billion. At present values, it will people re-applying for badges whose circumstances are generate benefits of up to £47 billion and fare revenues not going to change. Those who use the online application of up to £34 billion over a 60-year period. form will only be asked to complete those sections that The benefits of HS2 will extend beyond the network are relevant to the eligibility under which they are itself; links to current lines will enable direct trains to applying. They can also sign up for text and email run to cities such as Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow and reminders at re-application time, track the progress of Edinburgh and, with long-distance services transferring their application and there will be an eligibility checker to the new network, space will be freed up for new for those who want to find out if they are eligible for a commuter, regional and freight services on other lines, badge. From 1 April 2012, badge holders will be able opening up new opportunities for Britain’s existing to report lost and stolen badges and update changes to railways. Links to key urban transport networks, such their details online. as Crossrail, will help to spread the benefits further still. There is a new national helpline for general enquiries HS2 is entirely consistent with the Government’s about blue badges that will signpost callers to the objectives for carbon emissions. Electrified rail is a relevant local authority. However, local authorities will comparatively low-carbon mode of transport, especially still be in charge of administering the blue badge scheme, with the continued decarbonisation of the grid. Speed making decisions about whether applicants are eligible increases power consumption, but also makes HS2 more and issuing badges. attractive to those currently flying or driving. The faster journeys on HS2—Edinburgh and Glasgow will be just High Speed Rail 3.5 hours from London—could transfer around 4.5 million journeys per year who might otherwise have travelled by air and 9 million from the roads. HS2 will also create The Secretary of State for Transport (Justine Greening): more rail capacity on existing conventional speed lines The consultation “High Speed Rail: Investing in Britain’s for freight—removing lorries from our busy trunk roads. Future” was one of the largest national consultations HS2 is therefore an important part of transport’s low- ever undertaken by the Department for Transport. A carbon future. total of 54,909 responses were received, from individuals, In securing these benefits for our country, I am businesses and organisations across the country. It is committed to developing a network with the lowest clear from the consultation that a national high speed feasible impacts on local communities and the natural rail network—High Speed 2—generates strong feelings, environment. I have been mindful that we must safeguard both in favour and against the scheme. the natural environment as far as possible, both for the Since becoming Secretary of State for Transport I benefit of those enjoying our beautiful countryside have taken time to consider all aspects of the consultation today and for future generations. proposals and the evidence arising from both consultation People living along the line of route highlighted responses and further work undertaken or commissioned particular concerns and provided constructive and by my Department and HS2 Ltd. This statement thoughtful comments about the London to West Midlands summarises my decisions. route proposed at consultation. Following careful study I have decided Britain should embark upon the most by my engineers I can announce a package of alterations significant transport infrastructure project since the to further reduce the route’s impacts. The changes mean building of the motorways by supporting the development that more than half the route will now be mitigated by and delivery of a new national high speed rail network. tunnel or cutting and there will also be a reduction in By following in the footsteps of the 19th century railway the impacts on people and communities, ancient woodlands pioneers, the Government are signalling their commitment and important heritage sites. to providing 21st century infrastructure and connections— The changes include: laying the groundwork for long-term, sustainable economic growth. A longer, continuous tunnel from Little Missenden to the M25 through the Chilterns; High Speed 2 (HS2) is a scheme to deliver hugely enhanced rail capacity and connectivity between Britain’s A new 2.75 mile (4.4 km) bored tunnel along the Northolt corridor to entirely avoid major works to the Chilterns line major conurbations. It is the largest transport infrastructure and impacts on local communities in the Ruislip area; investment in the UK for a generation, and, with the A longer green tunnel past Chipping Warden and Aston le exception of High Speed 1 (HSl), is the first major new Walls, and to curve the route to avoid a cluster of important railway line since the Victorian era. heritage sites around Edgcote; and, The HS2 Y network will provide direct, high capacity, A longer green tunnel to significantly reduce impacts around high speed links between London, Birmingham, Leeds Wendover, and an extension to the green tunnel at South and Manchester, with intermediate stations in the East Heath. 11WS Written Ministerial Statements10 JANUARY 2012 Written Ministerial Statements 12WS

The revised route offers considerable improvements tunnels, an explanation of the measures that will be taken to to communities, with the number of dwellings at risk of prevent perceptible vibration impacts, financial compensation land take almost halving and the number experiencing for the compulsory purchase of subsoil, and a legally binding increased noise levels reducing by a third. Despite these promise that HS2 will be permanently responsible for resolving any related settlement or subsidence issues; and, improvements to limit the negative impacts of the line, HS2 will inevitably affect some homeowners, communities A refreshed hardship-based property purchase scheme. and businesses. To help those affected, we will bring in a Finally, we will work constructively with local authorities package of measures, which are over and above what along the line of route to minimise the negative affected homeowners are already entitled to under law. consequences of HS2 and maximise the benefits. These include: In November I announced the triennial review of A streamlined purchase scheme to simplify the statutory HS2 Ltd, and in making my decision I have accepted blight process for property owners; the finding that HS2 Ltd is the appropriate body to A sale and rent back scheme to give homeowners within the continue undertaking this work. safeguarded area more flexibility; Today I have presented to Parliament a full account A streamlined small claims scheme for construction damage which will allow individuals and businesses who are entitled of my decisions titled “High Speed Rail: Investing in to compensation under existing law to claim it more quickly Britain’s Future—Decisions and Next Steps”. My and simply; Department has published a series of supporting documents A package of measures to reinforce confidence in properties which set out in further detail the basis on which I have above tunnels. Homeowners will be offered before and after reached my decisions. All of this material is available at: surveys, a thorough assessment of the impact of similar www.dft.gov.uk/highspeedrail 1P Petitions10 JANUARY 2012 Petitions 2P

EDF submitted an application to the Infrastructure Petitions Planning Commission for development consent for a new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point in October Tuesday 10 January 2012 2011. The IPC are now considering the application. When they have completed their examination they will make a recommendation to me as Secretary of State for OBSERVATIONS Energy and Climate Change and I will make the final decision. But it is the IPC’s role to consider the application and Stop Hinkley, or anyone else wanting to make representations about the application, should register ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE with the IPC their wish to do so.

Alternatives to a Nuclear Power Station at Hinkley Point (Somerset) TRANSPORT The Petition of supporters of the Stop Hinkley campaign, Keynsham Railway Station Access Declares that the Petitioners strongly oppose the plan The Humble Petition of residents of North East Somerset, by EdF (Electricite de France) to construct a new Sheweth, nuclear power station at Hinkley Point in Somerset and declares that as an alternative, the Petitioners believe that the Petitioners believe that there are inadequate that a Government-backed programme of energy saving facilities for disabled people who wish to use Keynsham and clean renewable energy would combat climate change railway station. and avoid the risks of catastrophic accidents and dangers Wherefore your Petitioners pray that your Honourable to health resulting from the storage of highly radioactive House urges the Secretary of state for Transport to waste at Hinkley for 160 years. encourage First Group plc to provide adequate facilities The Petitioners therefore request that the House of for disabled people at Keynsham railway station. Commons urges the Government to commit to an And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever energy policy based on energy saving and clean renewable pray, &c.—[Presented by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Official energy, in which new nuclear power stations play no Report, 9 November 2011; Vol. 535, c. 410.] part. [P000980] And the petitioners remain, etc.—[Presented by Tessa Observations from the Secretary of State for Transport: Munt, Official Report, 14 December 2011; Vol. 537, c. 892.] The Department is aware of the accessibility issues at Keynsham station and that First Group has plans to [P000991] provide facilities for disabled passengers at this station. Observations from the Secretary of State for Energy The Department received a bid from First Group for and Climate Change: Access for All Mid-tier funding to develop step-free Hinkley is one of the eight sites listed on the Nuclear access to platform 1 at Keynsham station. The delivery National Policy Statement as potentially suitable for the of this scheme will complete the provision of step-free building of new nuclear power stations before the end access to both platforms by the construction of a ramp of 2025. The Nuclear NPS was approved by the House from the existing footbridge to the platform. in July 2011 The NPS reflects the Government’s view The outcome of the bidding process for this funding that there is an urgent need for new energy infrastructure, was announced on 6 December. The bid for Keynsham including nuclear but also renewables, as well as for station was successful and the Department has offered increased energy efficiency, as part of a secure low-carbon £415,000 towards the project which will be completed energy mix. later this year.

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Patrick Mercer: To ask the Secretary of State for Questions Defence how many Commonwealth service personnel of each country of origin in UK forces have been (a) killed and (b) seriously injured in (i) Afghanistan since Tuesday 10 January 2012 2001 and (ii) since Iraq since 2003; and what the (A) regiment and rank and (B) date of death or injury was in each case. [87080] DEFENCE A400M Aircraft Nick Harvey: UK forces personnel are individually asked, but not required, to declare their nationality on Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Joint Personnel Administration system. These data Defence what estimate he has made of the cost to the are the main basis of the information contained in the public purse of the effect of changes in exchange rates following tables. It is therefore not a complete record, although it is likely to give a broadly accurate indication on the cost of purchasing A400M aircraft. [85590] of the proportion of fatalities and casualties who were Peter Luff: The multinational A400M design and Commonwealth citizens, and has been cross-referenced production phase acquisition contract is priced in euros, against other centrally held information from the Office so exchange rate variations will have a bearing on the for National Statistics. More detailed data on individuals’ cost, and the effect of any such change is dealt with as nationality is not held centrally and could be provided part of the planning round process. I am, however, only at disproportionate cost. withholding the precise figures as their disclosure would, Of those service personnel who died in Afghanistan or would be likely to, prejudice commercial interests of since 2001, 15 had declared nationality of a non-British Airbus Military, and A400M Partner Nations, because Commonwealth country. Of those who died in Iraq it would disclose financial information about how much since 2003, four had declared nationality of a non-British each country is paying for their individual aircraft and Commonwealth country. Also shown are all individuals would therefore give information valuable to Airbus who declared a nationality from a non-Commonwealth Military’s competitors. country and those where no nationality could be confirmed.

Table 1: Fatalities in Afghanistan Date of death Rank Nationality Regiment/Corps

27 June 2006 Sergeant Not documented Naval Service 1 September 2006 Private Fijian Royal Irish Regiment 2 September 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 2 September 2006 Flight Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Right Lieutenant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Sergeant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 2 September 2006 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 19 October 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 5 December 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 12 December 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 27 December 2006 Lance Corporal South African Royal Regiment of Artillery 13 January 2007 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 15 January 2007 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 21 February 2007 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 21 February 2007 Marine Not Documented Royal Marines 3 March 2007 Lance Corporal South African Royal Regiment of Artillery 8 September 2007 Private South African Mercian Regiment 13 April 2008 Senior Aircraftman Not documented RAF 2 May 2008 Trooper Fijian Household Cavalry 4 September 2008 Private Irish Royal Irish Regiment 4 November 2008 Rifleman Nepalese Royal Gurkha Regiment 12 November 2008 Marine Irish Royal Marines 15 November 2008 Staff Sergeant Nepalese Royal Gurkha Regiment 3W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 4W

Table 1: Fatalities in Afghanistan Date of death Rank Nationality Regiment/Corps

7 May 2009 Corporal Nepalese Royal Gurkha Regiment 22 May 2009 Fusilier Fijian Royal Regiment of Fusiliers 16 July 2009 Rifleman Fijian Rifles 7 February 2010 Private Canadian Royal Regiment of Scotland 1 March 2010 Rifleman South African Rifles 15 June 2010 Corporal Fijian Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment 15 June 2010 Kingsman Fijian Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment 13 July 2010 Corporal Nepalese Royal Gurkha Regiment 1 August 2010 Lance Sergeant (Corporal) Jamaican Foot Guards 12 August 2010 Rifleman Nepalese Mercian Regiment 13 August 2010 Sapper Nepalese Corps of Royal Engineers 2 October 2010 Rifleman Nepalese Royal Gurkha Regiment 5 December 2010 Private New Zealander Parachute Regiment 1 January 2011 Private Fijian Royal Regiment of Scotland 16 July 2011 Lance Corporal South African Royal Armoured Corps 5 August 2011 Marine British Hong Kong Royal Marines 15 October 2011 Rifleman Not documented Royal Gurkha Regiment 8 December 2011 Sapper Not documented Corps of Royal Engineers

Table 2: Fatalities in Iraq Date of death Rank Nationality Regiment/Corps

21 March 2003 Major Not documented Royal Marines 21 March 2003 Captain Not documented Royal Marines 21 March 2003 Warrant Officer Class 2 Not documented Royal Marines 21 March 2003 Colour Sergeant Not documented Royal Marines 21 March 2003 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 21 March 2003 Able Rating Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 22 March 2003 Lieutenant (RN) Not documented Naval Service 23 March 2003 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 23 March 2003 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 30 March 2003 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 30 March 2003 Major Not documented Royal Marines 6 April 2003 Guardsman Zimbabwean Foot Guards 6 April 2003 Lance Corporal Irish Foot Guards 8 May 2003 Senior Aircraftman Not documented RAF 19 May 2003 Corporal Not documented RAF 31 October 2003 Corporal Not documented Royal Marines 19 July 2004 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 8 November 2004 Private Fijian Royal Regiment of Scotland 30 January 2005 Chief Technician Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Flight Sergeant Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Corporal Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Sergeant Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Squadron Leader Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Flight Lieutenant Not documented RAF 30 January 2005 Master Aircrew Not documented RAF 6 May 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 6 May 2006 Lieutenant Commander Not documented Naval Service 13 May 2006 Private Fijian Royal Anglian Regiment 12 November 2006 Corporal Not documented Royal Marines 12 November 2006 Marine Not documented Royal Marines 6 July 2007 Rifleman Fijian Rifles 19 July 2007 Senior Aircraftman Not documented RAF 7 August 2007 Leading Aircraftman Not documented RAF 5W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 6W

For injured personnel, it is not appropriate to release categories shown as follows without doing so, and I am information which could lead to their identification. It therefore withholding this information. is not possible to break down the figures beyond those

Table 3: Afghanistan: UK armed forces seriously injured casualties by year and nationality, 7 October 2001 to 30 November 2011 Number Country of nationality All 2001-06 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

All 544 41 63 65 157 154 64 Great Britain 443 0 54 59 141 130 59 Other Commonwealth 19 0 11764 Non Commonwealth 36 0 7 5 7 16 1 Unknown 46 41 10220

Table 4: Iraq: UK armed forces seriously injured casualties by year and nationality, 1 January 2003 to 21 May 2011 Number Country of nationality All 2001-06 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

All 222143699100 Great Britain 51 0 42 8100 Other Commonwealth 0 0 00000 Non Commonwealth 1 0 10000 Unknown 170 143 26 1000

Air Force: Ammunition Source of Site contamination Action Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for DARA Luminised Artefacts Working with current owners Defence whether WE.177 munitions have been stored Almondbank to undertake remediation at (a) RAF Kinloss, (b) RAF Lossiemouth, (c) RAF Stirling Forthside Luminised Artefacts Remediation undertaken Leuchars and (d) RAF Machrihanish. [86833] Land Quality Assessment (LQA) reports for each of Peter Luff: Due to the length of time that WE.177 the sites will be placed in the Library of the House. munitions have been out of service, a search of archived The cost to the public purse of remediating contaminated records is required. I will write to the hon. Member sites is not held centrally and could be provided only at when this search is complete. disproportionate cost. However as at December 2011 Air Force: Radiation Exposure the MOD has spent in excess of £500,000 on remediation.

Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Aircraft Carriers Defence (1) what assessment his Department has made of the primary source of radium contamination at (a) Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for RAF Kinloss, (b) RAF Machrihanish, (c) RNAS Defence what assessment he has made of the current Donibristle, (d) DARA Almondbank and (e) Stirling catapult and trap design for the Queen Elizabeth class Forthside; and if he will make a statement; [86834] aircraft carriers and the compatibility of the F-35C (2) if he will place in the Library the most recent aircraft with its main 7.1 foot landing gear to arrestor copy of the Land Quality Assessment reports for (a) hook distance. [87594] RAF Kinloss, (b) RAF Machrihanish, (c) RNAS Donibristle, (d) DARA Almondbank and (e) Stirling Peter Luff: Our investigations into the conversion of Forthside; and if he will make a statement; [86835] the operational Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier (3) what steps are being taken to clean up radioactive are still ongoing, but it remains our intent that the contamination at (a) RAF Kinloss, (b) RAF catapult and arrestor gear equipment to be installed will Machrihanish, (c) RNAS Donibristle, (d) DARA be fully compatible with the more capable F-35C strike Almondbank and (e) Stirling Forthside; [86836] fighters. (4) if he will estimate the cost to the public purse of cleaning up radioactive contamination at each contaminated Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for site in Scotland for which his Department is responsible Defence what comparison he has made of the size of the traps planned for the (a) Queen Elizabeth class and in each of the next five years; [86837] (b) Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. [87595] Mr Robathan: Information on the source of the contamination and actions undertaken are as follows: Peter Luff: Our investigations into the conversion of the operational Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier Source of are still ongoing, but at this stage, the arrangement and Site contamination Action size of the arrestor gear system is the same as that used in the Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier. However, the RAF Kinloss Luminised Artefacts LQA process ongoing exact arrangement of components and sub-systems will RAF Machrihanish Luminised Artefacts Remediation undertaken differ due to the differences in ship size and compartment RNAS Donibristle Luminised Artefacts Remediation undertaken layout. 7W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 8W

Alison Seabeck: To ask the Secretary of State for Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence Defence whether he has received an interim report on what procedures exist to ensure that drivers of the carrier variant conversion investigation; and if not, ammunition lorries are not under the influence of when he expects to receive such a report. [88562] alcohol while at work. [87514]

Peter Luff: Investigations into the conversion of the Peter Luff: The Ministry of Defence (MOD) regards Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carrier to operate the the issue of driving while under the influence of alcohol Carrier Variant of the Joint Strike Fighter are due to very seriously. MOD policy prohibits the consumption conclude in December 2012. The project team is continuing of alcohol while on duty, including those periods when to mature and develop information, in conjunction with ″on call″. UK industry, which will be used to inform decisions on Policy requires that all drivers reporting for duty are the final conversion solution. Ministers are routinely assessed by their line manager for fitness to drive and updated on the progress of this investigation. only if they meet the necessary standards are they As part of the Ministry of Defence approvals process, allowed to take charge of a vehicle. Ministers will be presented with the Department’s full findings to allow them to consider the conversion options Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence and take final decisions. when the last review of arrangements for the security of ammunition transported by road was conducted. [87515] Ammunition: Transport Peter Luff: The Ministry of Defence (MOD) conducts Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence regular reviews of policy to ensure full compliance with what assessment he has made of the security of ammunition national and international legislation. The reviews are timed to coincide with the release of the legislative when transported by (a) road and (b) rail. [87512] amendments to the transport of dangerous goods regulations. Peter Luff: Statutory Instrument 1348—The Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure MOD policy for the transport of dangerous goods by Equipment Regulation—details the security requirements road was last reviewed in November 2011. for the transport of ammunition by road. Ministry of Defence (MOD) policy for the transport of dangerous Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence goods by road and rail is contained in Joint Service (1) whether civilian personnel have been used in place Publication (JSP) 800 Volume4B—Transport of Dangerous of (a) Ministry of Defence Police and (b) military Goods by Road, Rail and Sea. JSP 800 incorporates the personnel to escort ammunition convoys from any UK requirements of SI 1348 and includes additional security military base in each of the last five years; and if he will measures for the transport of those goods that have make a statement; [87626] been assessed by MOD security to be attractive to (2) what training he requires for escorts employed for criminal and terrorist organisations. the transport of ammunition by road; [87627] Each transport operation, including those conducted (3) if he will introduce regulations to ensure that by approved contractors, is assessed and conducted in ammunition lorries are escorted by trained Ministry of accordance with these requirements. MOD policy is Defence Police or military personnel; and if he will reviewed regularly to ensure that it remains in line with make a statement. [87628] legislation and all units and establishments involved in the transport of dangerous goods are audited to ensure Peter Luff: The training requirements for personnel compliance. involved in the transport of ammunition by road are contained in Statutory Instrument (SI) 1348—The Carriage Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure whether he is considering the introduction of any new Equipment Regulations and ADR (Agreement Concerning security measures for the transportation by road of the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by projectile ammunition; and if he will make a statement. Road). This Statutory Instrument also requires that all [87513] carriers and consignors engaged in the carriage of “High Consequence” dangerous goods (including ammunition) Peter Luff: Responsibility for policy on the transport adopt, implement and comply with a security plan. of dangerous goods by road rests with the Secretary of The Ministry of Defence (MOD) policy for the security State for Transport, my right hon. Friend the Member of ammunition during transport is contained in Joint for Putney (Justine Greening), not the Secretary of Service Publication (JSP) 440—Defence Manual of Security State for Defence, my right hon. Friend the Member for and JSP 800 Volume 4B—Transport of Dangerous Runnymede and Weybridge (Mr Hammond). The safety Goods by Road, Rail and Sea, which incorporates the and security requirements are laid down in Statutory requirements of SI 1348 and ADR. JSP 800 sets out the Instrument 1348—The Carriage of Dangerous Goods awareness and functional training that personnel, including and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations. escorts, who are involved in the transport of Dangerous The Ministry of Defence fully complies with the Goods need to undertake. The training provided includes security requirements for the transportation of ammunition function specific, safety and security competences. by road and rail and in addition, conducts a full risk The requirement for the provision of Attendants assessment for each transport operation in accordance (escorts) when transporting ammunition was removed with the extant security alert state. from legislation in 2009. The MOD has chosen as a 9W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 10W policy decision to retain the requirement for Attendants One swaledale ram (escorts) to ensure the security of those goods assessed Two Shetland ponies as being attractive to criminal and terrorist organisations Information related to the cost of maintaining these during transport operations. animals is not held centrally and could be provided only Where the transport operation is conducted utilising at disproportionate cost. MOD owned vehicles, the drivers and escorts are either serving military personnel or civil servants employed by Armed Forces: Education the MOD. Where the transport operation is conducted utilising Lindsay Roy: To ask the Secretary of State for commercial contractors, the contractor is selected from Defence what discussions his Department has had with a MOD maintained list of approved hauliers. These Fife Council on any requirement for additional school hauliers are subject to Section 5 of the Firearms Act places in the Leuchars area when the Army takes up its and have been cleared for the transport of ammunition. base there. [88351] The MOD has no plans to mandate the use of MOD Police or military personnel to escort vehicles transporting Mr Robathan: Preliminary discussions have taken ammunition, however, where there is any change to the place with a number of local authorities affected by the extant security alert state the requirement for commercial Basing Review programme. It is too early at this time to carriers to be escorted by military personnel is assessed. comment on any specific issues.

Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence Alex Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for on what occasions lorries loaded with ammunition Defence how many (a) Army personnel and (b) Army have been involved in (a) collisions and (b) major personnel who had enlisted under the age of 18 undertook mechanical breakdowns in the last 10 years. [87629] GCSE English or mathematics qualifications during (i) their Phase Two training or (ii) subsequently; and how Peter Luff: During the past 10 years, there have been many achieved these qualifications at Grades A* to C in 34 recorded incidents of collisions involving vehicles the latest period for which figures are available. [88556] carrying ammunition. The vast majority of these were low impact or low speed workplace collisions. In all Mr Robathan: The information requested is not held cases the ammunition had been prepared, packed, loaded centrally and could be provided only at disproportionate and secured in accordance with the applicable transport cost. regulations and the incidents had no effect on the However, the Army encourages and supports a ammunition being transported. It is not possible to programme of personal continuous improvement provide accurate details of the number of major mechanical throughout Army careers and aims for personnel to breakdowns involving vehicles carrying ammunition. achieve at least Level 1 (GCSE Grade D to G) within This information is not held centrally and could be three years of enlistment. provided only at disproportionate cost. Under Ministry of Defence policy and process/measures are in place to ensure that, in the event of a breakdown, the vehicle is Armed Forces: Food recovered to a place of safety for supervised and controlled cross loading, where necessary. Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how much Single Food Supply expenditure Animals was incurred by his Department for personnel not on military operations in 2010-11. [87921] Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how many dogs have been employed by his Peter Luff: In financial year 2010-11 the cost of food Department in the last year; what their duties were; and provision under the Single Food Supply contract for what the cost of such employment was; [88317] armed forces personnel who were not on military operations (2) how many animals of each species were employed was approximately £65 million. by his Department in 2011; and what the total cost to the public purse was; [88340] Armed Forces: Military Decorations (3) how many horses were employed by his Department in 2011; for what purposes; and at what Martin Horwood: To ask the Secretary of State for cost to the public purse. [88341] Defence what assessment he has made of the case for allowing more medals to be worn by armed forces Mr Robathan: As at 1 November 2011 the following personnel which have been awarded by Commonwealth animals were employed by the Ministry of Defence: countries; and if he will make a statement. [88345] 992 working dogs, of which 324 were search dogs, 409 were guard dogs and 259 were “multipurpose” (ie search and guard). Mr Robathan: The Government recognise that the 499 horses, all of which were in a ceremonial role. rules on the award of medals have not always been 13 falcons, utilised by the Royal Navy for runway clearance. applied consistently. The Committee of the Grant of Honours, Decoration and Medals recently recommended In addition, the following animals act as official to Her Majesty the Queen that holders of the Pingat mascots: Jasa Malaysia Medal should be allowed to wear it. In Two drum horses order to address concerns expressed in both Houses of Three dogs Parliament and by members of the public the Government Three mountain goats have agreed to a fresh review of the rules governing the 11W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 12W award of military medals. This will be conducted by an Armed Forces: Training independent reviewer involving full consultation with interested parties. Alex Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many and what proportion of all new Martin Horwood: To ask the Secretary of State for recruits enlisting in (a) the armed forces and (b) the Defence what recent assessment he has made of the Army undertook Phase One training at (i) AFC Harrogate case for a National Defence Medal; and if he will make and (ii) AFTC Winchester in 2010-11. [88337] a statement. [88346] Nick Harvey: The Army Foundation College Harrogate Mr Robathan: I am aware of the campaign for a and the Army Technical Foundation College Winchester National Defence Medal. It remains our policy that are phase 1 training units for junior entry soldiers. medals should not be awarded just for service. Nevertheless, Recruits enlisting in the Royal Navy or the Royal Air the Government have recently agreed to a fresh review Force do not attend either of these colleges. of the rules governing the award of military medals. During the period September 2010 to September This will be conducted by an independent reviewer 2011, a total of 9,770 recruits enlisted in the Army of involving full consultation with interested parties. The which 2,114 (21.6%) undertook phase 1 training at the terms of reference and further details will be released in Army Foundation College Harrogate and 950 (9.7%) the near future. undertook phase 1 training at the Army Technical Foundation College Winchester. Martin Horwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Alex Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what assessment he has made of the case Defence how many and what proportion of recruits for the Honours and Decorations Committee to accept undertaking Phase One training at (a) the Army representations in person from veterans; and if he will Foundation College in Harrogate and (b) the Army make a statement; [88347] Technical Foundation College in Winchester successfully (2) whether he has considered the case for the Honours attained (i) Level 1 functional skills in literacy, (ii) Level and Decorations Committee to meet in public; and if he 1 functional skills in numeracy, (iii) a Level 2 ITQ will make a statement; [88687] diploma, (iv) Level 2 functional skills in literacy and (v) (3) whether he has considered reconstitution of the Level 2 functional skills in numeracy in the most recent Honours and Decorations Committee under an period for which figures are available. [88555] independent chair; and if he will make a statement. Nick Harvey: All recruits training at the Army [88688] Foundation College Harrogate undertake vocational qualifications. All soldiers are enrolled on a level 2 Mr Robathan: The Committee on the Grant of Honours apprenticeship for IT users which consists of the level 2 Decorations and Medals (known generally as the HD iTQ diploma for IT users along with functional skills Committee) is a sub-committee of the Cabinet and as (FS) in literacy and numeracy at level 1. All those who such the Ministry of Defence has made no assessment achieve level 1 FS in literacy and numeracy during the of the proposal to accept representations in person programme have the additional opportunity to achieve from veterans, or other aspects of its operation. those skills at level 2. The HD Committee is chaired by the Cabinet Secretary The number of junior soldiers enrolled on the Army and has representatives from several Government apprenticeship at the Army Foundation College Harrogate Departments. It is a permanent standing advisory on the last intake for which figures are available (September committee to which the Sovereign looks for independent 2010 to August 2011) was 536. The numbers and percentage and informed advice on policy concerning honours, of those achieving the qualifications requested are as decorations and medals. It was established in 1939, has follows: no direct ministerial involvement and reports directly to Her Majesty the Queen. Percentage of Qualification Number of passes enrolled However, we recognise that the rules applicable to the award of medals have not always been applied consistently. Literacy level 1 521 97 As a result the Government have recently agreed to a Numeracy level 1 456 87 fresh review of the rules governing the award of military Level 2 iTQ diploma 536 100 medals. This will be conducted by an independent reviewer Literacy level 2 281 52 involving full consultation with interested parties. Numeracy level 2 262 49

Armed Forces: Recruitment The purpose of phase 1 education at the Army Technical Foundation College Winchester is to set in place the academic foundation that the recruits will require in Alex Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for order to succeed at their chosen apprenticeships in Defence how many and what proportion of recruits phase 2. Most recruits upon enlisting at the Army who enlisted in the Army under the age of 18 joined the Technical Foundation College Winchester already hold infantry in the latest period for which figures are qualifications at level 1 in literacy and numeracy. available. [88554] The numbers and percentage of those recruits taking and achieving the qualifications requested while attending Mr Robathan: In financial year 2010-11 the total the last intake at the Army Technical Foundation College number of recruits enlisting in the Army under the age Winchester for which figures are available (March to of 18 was 2,310 of which 1,050 (46%) joined the Infantry. September 2011) are as follows: 13W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 14W

Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Number of Percentage of Qualification Numbers taking passes passes Defence how many of his Department’s officials at each grade are working on the arms trade treaty negotiations; Literacy level 1 58 28 48 whether there has been any change in the personnel Numeracy level 1 31 20 65 leading on this matter; and whether he expects any Literacy level 2 156 16 10 further changes to be made before July 2012. [88061] Numeracy level 2 36 17 47 Nick Harvey: Two officials from the Department’s The level 2 iTQ diploma is not undertaken at the Arms Control and Counter-Proliferation branch cover Army Technical Foundation College Winchester. arms trade treaty issues and are active members of the cross-Whitehall team which is led by the Foreign and Arms Trade Commonwealth Office. These officials are able to call upon other specialist advice Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for from within the Department as required. There have Defence what (a) bi-lateral and (b) multi-lateral been no changes to the personnel leading on this matter meetings (i) he and (ii) his officials have had with their since June 2011 and it is not expected that there will be international counterparts to discuss the agreement of any changes to personnel before July 2012. a robust arms trade treaty in preparation for the final Preparatory Committee in February 2012. [88050] Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what contribution his Department has made Nick Harvey: The Secretary of State for Defence, my to policy development on including small arms, light right hon. Friend the Member for Runnymede and weapons and ammunition within the terms of the arms Weybridge (Mr Hammond), fully supports efforts to trade treaty. [88614] secure an arms trade treaty (ATT). He and other Ministers are fully engaged in developments on ATT and have Nick Harvey: The UK supports a comprehensive discussed this issue with their counterparts in the course scope for an arms trade treaty (ATT), including small of normal Defence business. arms, light weapons and ammunition. Ministry of Defence officials, as part of a cross-Whitehall team on ATT, Her Majesty’s Government, led by the Foreign and have held a number of technical meetings on different Commonwealth Office, is working closely with international aspects of the treaty, including on the treaty’s scope, counterparts to secure an ATT and Ministry of Defence and these meetings will continue as we approach the officials have contributed to this work where appropriate. UN conference in July 2012.

Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what steps his Department is taking to ensure Defence which representatives from his Department a transparent reporting mechanism and effective have attended each of the UN Preparatory Committee monitoring and verification procedures are part of any meetings for the international arms trade treaty; and agreement on the arms trade treaty. [88052] which representatives from his Department will attend the meeting in February 2012. [88618] Nick Harvey: The UK already reports details of exports across a number of treaties and regimes, including Nick Harvey: Representatives from the Department’s the Wassenaar Arrangement; the UN Register of Arms Control and Counter Proliferation branch have Conventional Arms; and the Annual Review of Strategic attended previous preparatory committee meetings on Export Controls. Ministry of Defence officials are working the arms trade treaty. The exact size and make-up of the closely with their colleagues in other Government UK delegation for the preparatory committee meeting Departments to argue for effective and transparent in February 2012 will be finalised shortly. reporting mechanisms as part of an arms trade treaty, including procedures on monitoring and verification. Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for These issues are regularly raised in meetings with other Defence what steps his Department is taking to ensure states and during the UN negotiations. negotiations for an arms trade treaty in 2012 include representatives from civil society, non-governmental Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for organisations and the defence industry. [88619] Defence what contribution his Department is making to developing policy on the inclusion of import, export, Nick Harvey: Civil society and non-governmental re-export, transit, transhipment, brokering activities and organisations have played a crucial role in the progress the gifting, loan or lease of arms within the terms of the made on an arms trade treaty (ATT) so far, including arms trade treaty. [88056] through regular meetings with UK officials engaged on ATT. Ambassador Moritan of Argentina, the Chair of Nick Harvey: The UK supports an arms trade treaty the UN process on ATT, has ensured that civil society (ATT) with a broad scope that covers a range of activities retained a voice during the negotiations, and the Ministry and transfers. Ministry of Defence officials, as part of a of Defence, as part of the UK’s negotiation team will cross-Whitehall team on ATT, have held a number of continue to support this approach at the UN conference technical meetings on different aspects of the treaty, in 2012. including how different types of transfer and activity could be dealt with by an ATT, and these meetings will Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for continue as we approach the UN conference in July Defence whether his Department provides (a) training 2012. and (b) detailed briefings on the Arms Trade treaty to 15W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 16W staff working in overseas posts; and what steps he is Defence: Inflation taking to ensure that the treaty is raised in all relevant bi-lateral meetings. [88695] Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what information his Department holds on the Nick Harvey: The UK maintains a leading global average rate of inflation in the defence industry in each position on an Arms Trade treaty (ATT). Updates and year since 2006. [86827] briefings on the treaty are regularly provided to, overseas Defence posts and senior officials in co-ordination with Peter Luff: The Ministry of Defence (MOD) publishes the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. ATT is regularly an annual estimate of defence inflation. This is based raised in bilateral and multilateral meetings with states on data relating to inflation within defence contracts, and this outreach will intensify as we approach the military and civilian personnel labour costs, and cash crucial Negotiating Conference in July 2012. office expenditure. The following table draws on these published data to Challenger Tanks show the estimated defence inflation between 2005-06 and 2010-11. Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what his policy is on deploying Challenger 2 tanks in Defence inflation in the UK, 2005-06 to 2010-11 2 3,4 combat operations before the outcome of the review of All Defence (UK) Contracts 1,4 the CHARM3 weapon system under Article 36 of Weights 1,000 644 Additional Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions of Financial year Index and growth rate 1949. [87757] 2004-05 100.0 — 100.0 — Nick Harvey: CHALLENGER 2 tanks will be deployed 2005-06 104.1 4.1% 103.4 3.4% in combat operations as and when the security situation 2006-07 107.6 3.4% 106.9 3.4% demands. 2007-08 111.8 3.9% 110.9 3.7% 2008-09 116.5 4.2% 115.5 4.2% Challenger Tanks: International Law 2009-10 120.2 3.2% 118.4 2.5% 2010- 125.2 4.2% 122.9 3.8% Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence 112 what contingency plans have been put in place in the 1 These weights apply to the 2010-11 measure. Due to chain-linking, event that the outcome of the review of the legality of weights reflect the expenditure pattern within the base year not the reference year, e.g. the CHARM3 weapon system under Article 36 of for the 2010-11 inflation measure weights reflect expenditure in Additional Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions of 2009-10. 1949 concludes that its use could breach international 2 From 2010-11, the methodology for estimating inflation in military humanitarian law. [87758] labour costs was reviewed and improved following availability of new data sources. The change in methodology means direct comparisons of 2010-11 defence inflation rates with historical estimates are not Nick Harvey: CHARM3 provides our armed forces possible. with a unique anti-armour capability which cannot be 3 Inflation in defence contracts represents inflation in the expenditure provided by other munitions. Consequently there are no by the Department on contracts, major equipment projects and such contingency plans in place. payments. 4 In 2009-10, 64% of defence expenditure was on contracts: with a Debt Collection further 34% on labour costs and 2% on cash offices. The MOD does not collect data or publish inflation within the defence industry. It does produce statistics Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for relating to inflation in defence contracts, at the following Defence how many times his Department has used the web address: services of debt recovery companies since May 2010; which companies were used; and if he will make a http://www.dasa.mod.uk/index.php?pub=INFLATION statement. [88365] Departmental Manpower Mr Robathan: The Ministry of Defence does not use debt recovery agencies. Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many people were working in his Defence Department on (a) 11 May 2010 and (b) 8 December 2011. [87343] Alison Seabeck: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence which of his Department’s contractors (a) he Mr Robathan: The information for dates requested is and (b) his officials have met to discuss his proposed not held, but the figures compiled on the closest available Defence White Paper since July 2011. [88561] dates are as follows:

Peter Luff: Ministry of Defence Ministers and officials Headcount have regular meetings with industry representatives. In 1 May 2010 1 November 20111 recent months this has included discussion over the UK armed forces forthcoming White Paper on technology, equipment full-time and support. In particular there have been meetings of Trained strength21178,400 1173,830 the Defence Suppliers Forum on 14 July 2011 and of its Civilian 89,770 79,240 SME group on 16 September 2011. personnel3 17W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 18W

Finance should be a member of the new Defence Board, chair its Headcount Investment Approvals Committee and set standards and policy 1 May 2010 1 November 20111 for financial management across Defence. Responsibility and

1 1 accountability should be aligned for all TLB holders, with Total personnel 268,170 153,070 responsibility and budgets for detailed capability planning passing 1 Denotes provisional—May 2010 Service personnel figures are to the Service Chiefs and Commander Joint Force Command.” ‘provisional’ due to poor data quality which is currently under review. There is no separate record of savings achieved. 2 Full-time trained strength comprises trained UK regular forces, trained Gurkhas and elements of the full-time reserve service Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for (PTRS) that may be deployed overseas, including Full Commitment Defence which contracts his Department has renegotiated (FC), Limited Commitment (LC), Home Commitment (HC) personnel. Figures do not include mobilised reservists, Long Term following the Strategic Defence and Security Review; Absentees and untrained personnel. what estimate he has made of the savings to the public 2 Civilian personnel includes all full and part-time, permanent and purse arising from each contract renegotiation; and casual personnel employed within MOD Core TLBs, Trading Funds, what legal costs were incurred in each case. [87590] Royal Fleet Auxiliary and Locally engaged civilians. Notes: 1. Numbers have been rounded to the nearest 10, numbers ending in Peter Luff: The Ministry of Defence (MOD) was “5” have been rounded to the nearest multiple of 20 to prevent required to review approximately 500 extant contracts systematic bias. across 100 equipment programmes with a total value of 2. November 2011 civilian figures are ‘provisional’ due to non- in excess of £10 billion over the comprehensive spending availability of some locally engaged civilian data. review (CSR) period as a result of decisions taken in the Further details in respect of service personnel can be Strategic Defence and Security Review. Initial focus has found via the following link: been on the contracts that will deliver the highest savings http://www.dasa.mod.uk/applications/newWeb/www/ in the early years of the CSR period. The MOD has index.php?page=48&thiscontent=160&date=2011-12- already renegotiated around 30 contracts relating to the 01&PublishTime=09:30:00 Nimrod and Harrier programmes. Considerable effort is proceeding within the MOD on this activity and we Departmental Pay expect the process of renegotiating these contracts to continue well into 2012. Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether any senior staff in (a) his Department and (b) It would be inappropriate to comment on specific its Executive agencies and non-departmental public contracts, as the details of each negotiation are commercial bodies are paid by means of payments to a limited in confidence. company in lieu of a salary; and if he will publish his policy on such payments. [85081] Departmental Publications Mr Robathan [holding answer 5 December 2011]: I can confirm that none of the senior staff in the Ministry Mrs Moon: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence of Defence, its Executive agencies or non-departmental what structure his Department uses for the security public bodies are paid by means of payments to a classification of documents; when it was last reviewed; limited company in lieu of a salary. and if he will make a statement. [87724] Departmental Procurement Mr Robathan: The Ministry of Defence uses the David Simpson: To ask the Secretary of State for Government Protective Marking Scheme for the security Defence what procedures his Department has put in classification of its documents as mandated in the Cabinet place to ensure value for money on purchases; and what Office’s Security Policy Framework . The current scheme savings have been realised through use of such procedures was issued in March 2009. in the last year. [83640] Peter Luff: Obtaining value for money is an integral Departmental Recruitment part of any purchasing decision. The strategic defence and security review, the planning round, defence reform Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for and particularly defence acquisition reform have all Defence how much his Department spent on been part of the process of promoting value for money recruitment agencies in each month since September in defence spending. In addition, internal guidance for 2011. [88005] personnel on purchasing emphasise the key objective of obtaining value for money, and ensure that the business Mr Robathan: External recruitment to the Ministry cases required for any significant expenditure set out of Defence (MOD) for grades below the senior civil the value for money implications of the proposal. For service (SCS) is carried out by Defence Business Services the most significant categories of expenditure, decisions Civilian HR (formerly known as the People Pay and are taken on the orders of the Investment Approval Pensions Agency). Where external recruitment for SCS Committee, which is chaired by the Department’s director posts is required, recruitment agencies may be asked to general of finance, and which has a firm focus on value carry out an initial search for suitable candidates. In the for money.In addition, the Defence Financial Management months in question, the MOD spent the following Reform team are currently pursuing work to strengthen amounts on recruitment agency fees in connection with the Department’s financial management, based on key SCS level recruitment: recommendation from Lord Levene’s Review that: “Financial management throughout the Department should 2011 £ be considerably strengthened and there should be a widely-shared culture of managing Defence within available resources and realistic September 7,998.00 assumptions about the longer-term budget. At the centre, the DG October 9,989.90 19W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 20W

Figures for travel arranged outside the Defence travel 2011 £ contract are not held but most air and rail travel is November 3,938.28 booked through the contract. We have made substantial Note: savings in the amount of travel made first-class in the All figures are inclusive of VAT. past few years, comparable figures for 2009-10 being Departmental Redundancy Pay £230,000 (estimated) for first-class air travel and £5.6 million for first-class rail travel. Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence Ministers do not travel first-class by air and Defence how much redundancy pay was paid to civil MOD staff are not permitted to travel first-class by air. servants in his Department in each month between In exceptional circumstances, first-class accommodation September and November 2011. [88003] on an aircraft may be authorised for medical evacuations, on medical advice, or for compassionate reasons where Mr Robathan: No redundancy payments have been there is no practical alternative to first-class accommodation. made to Ministry of Defence civil servants who left First-class travel by rail is permitted only in exceptional between September and November 2011 in response to circumstances. Such travel must be authorised in advance the savings required by the strategic defence and security by a senior officer or official, taking account of any review. The Department’s aim is that, so far as possible, management benefit or the needs of staff with disabilities, the necessary savings will be made without recourse to in accordance with the civilian or service regulations as compulsory redundancy. We have, however, made appropriate. compensation payments as follows to 2,503 civil servants Where first-class air or rail travel is proved to contravene over that period who have left the Department under departmental rules, we will take appropriate disciplinary our voluntary early release scheme, launched in February. action.

Compensation (£ 2011 Staff numbers million) Departmental Voluntary Work

September 46 1.78 October 1,608 47.79 Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what volunteering (a) he and (b) other Ministers in his November 849 25.86 Department have undertaken as part of the One Day Challenge; what the nature of the work undertaken Departmental Responsibilities was; on what dates it took place; and what the names were of the organisations assisted. [76244] Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what steps his Department is taking to ensure social Mr Robathan: Ministers carry out their duties in line value is included when services are commissioned by with the Ministerial Code. Any volunteering activities (a) his Department and (b) its public bodies; and if he in a personal capacity are a private matter for them. will make a statement. [85654] Relevant interests, which may include voluntary activities, are published by the Cabinet Office in the List of Peter Luff: The Ministry of Defence, and its public Ministers’ Interests. bodies, commission services on the basis of value for money, which is defined as the optimum combination of Ex-servicemen: Employment quality and through life costs to meet the requirement. Our policy is that social value may be included in the requirement provided it is consistent with ensuring value Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for for money for the taxpayer, is relevant to the subject of Defence pursuant to the answer of 12 December 2011, the contract, delivers a benefit to the contracting authority Official Report, column 472W, on ex-servicemen: and complies with the principles of EU procurement law. employment, how many of those who secured employment within six months of leaving retained that employment Departmental Travel for six months or longer. [87928]

Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Robathan: This information is not collected by Defence how much his Department has spent on first the Ministry of Defence as it would require former class travel by (a) air, (b) boat and (c) train since May service personnel to notify the Department when they 2010. [75533] have obtained or changed employment.

Mr Robathan: Expenditure incurred by the Ministry Ex-servicemen: War Pensions of Defence (MOD) on first-class travel booked through the Defence travel contract has been as follows: Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many war pensions were paid to nuclear £ test veterans in each of the last six years. [88314] 2011-12 (to end 2010-11 September) Mr Robathan: The information requested could be Air 31,201 4,518 provided only at disproportionate cost. The war pensions Boat 1— 1— computer system does not have the facility to uniquely Rail 226,154 30,087 identify people who participated in nuclear tests and 1 Not recorded discretely. who receive a war disablement pension. 21W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 22W

Compensation in the form of a war disablement Military Aircraft pension is available to all former members of HM forces who suffer disablement which is attributable to service Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for prior to 6 April 2005, including nuclear test veterans. Defence when he expects to take delivery from Lockheed The causal link may be with any part of their service. Martin of the three joint combat aircraft with serial There are currently 140,000 war pensions in payment. numbers (a) BK-1, (b) BK-2 and (c) CF-17; and where these aircraft will undergo initial operational testing and evaluation. [87400] Gurkhas: Pensions Peter Luff: Subject to both aircraft completing production Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for at Lockheed Martin and undergoing satisfactory acceptance Defence (1) how many Gurkha recipients of UK service checks we expect to take delivery of the UK’s first two pensions who until May 2009 received those pensions in Joint Strike Fighter aircraft (BK-l and BK-2) in May Nepal, now receive them in the UK; [88071] 2012. CF-17 is the designation for a United States (2) how many former Gurkhas have been in receipt Marine Corps aircraft which we have agreed in principle of a UK service pension in Nepal in each year since to exchange for the UK’s BK-3 aircraft. We have yet to 2004. [88072] finalise the details of this exchange with the US. CF-17 is likely to be re-titled CK-1. Mr Robathan: Details of how many former Gurkhas Initial operational testing and evaluation will be have been in receipt of a UK service pension in Nepal in conducted jointly with the US services at Edwards Air each year since 2004 and those who, until May 2009, Force Base in California, following pilot and maintainer received their pensions in Nepal but now receive them training at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. in the UK, are not held. Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) when the first Airbus 330-200 Voyager will Japan Tobacco be delivered to RAF Brize Norton; and when he expects it to be fully operational; [87587] Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (2) what the payment schedule is for the Future whether any (a) Ministers and (b) special advisers in Strategic Tanker Aircraft programme; [87588] his Department have received hospitality from Japan (3) what technical issues were observed during the Tobacco International since May 2010. [87600] in-flight refuelling test between the Tornado GR.4 and Airbus A330-200. [87589] Mr Philip Hammond: Information about hospitality received by Ministers and special advisers is published Peter Luff: The first Airbus 330-200 Voyager aircraft quarterly by Departments. Information for the period was dispatched to the AirTanker Ltd facility at RAF 13 May 2010-30 June 2011 can be accessed on the Brize Norton on 22 December 2011. This will allow the Ministry of Defence website at the following address: company to undertake the work required to register the http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/ aircraft; obtain the Civilian Aviation Authority Certificate CorporatePublications/FinancialReports/Expenses/ of Airworthiness; prepare for handover and undertake Information for 1 July 2011 onwards will be published familiarisation training for its staff. in due course. The in-service date for the programme is May 2014 when nine aircraft are available for Air-Air-Refuelling. The Voyager payment mechanism ensures the Ministry Jordan Bancroft of Defence only pays for the service delivered. Payments are made against availability (number of aircraft booked Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for per day) and usage. Defence what assessment he has made of his Department’s Ground and Air-Air-Refuelling trials between the treatment of the parents of deceased soldier Jordan Voyager aircraft and Tornado GR.4 are continuing and Bancroft. [87586] progress has been made. During a trials programme, issues emerged on the stability of the hose and fuel Mr Robathan: The Ministry of Defence regrets any leakage. Such incidents are not unusual in trials. Engineering unintended insensitivity on its part and a complete solutions for these issues have been identified and are review of all the correspondence undertaken by the being developed. Service Personnel and Veterans Agency with bereaved families has been instigated. Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for It is departmental policy never to ask the families of Defence what assessment he has made of recent reports those killed in service to pay money back. Our aim is concerning the (a) Helmet mounted display system, always to ensure families receive the right amount of (b) structural airframe and (c) fuel tank venting and money as quickly as possible and to conduct a reconciliation arrestor hook system on the F-35C aircraft. [87593] of their pay accounts as soon as we have all the information available to us. We do not collect any money from the Peter Luff: We continue to closely monitor all aspects families of deceased personnel, but we do adjust future of the Joint Strike Fighter development programme. payments to ensure families receive all the money to The Ministry of Defence is fully aware of the issues which they are entitled; this includes a payment for any referred to by the hon. Member and believes that such unspent days of leave. issues are to be expected during a complex development 23W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 24W programme. Corrective action, led by the US programme Pakistan, Poland, Portugal (non resident, accredited team and at no extra cost to the UK, is under way for from London), Qatar, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, each of the issues and there are no indications of any Serbia, Sierra Leone, Singapore, South Africa, Somalia fundamental design risks. (based in Kenya), Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United States of America Mr Spellar: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (with a further attaché to the UK Mission to UN New if he will publish his Department’s policy including York), Uzbekistan, Yemen and Zimbabwe. legal assessment on the use of strike-equipped drone Between them these attachés and advisers cover a aircraft. [87950] further 74 countries through the process of non-resident accreditation. Those countries are: Albania, Angola, Nick Harvey: A range of capabilities is available to Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, UK forces operating in Afghanistan including the Reaper Bahamas, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Botswana, British armed Remotely Piloted Aircraft System. The UK Reaper Virgin Islands, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cape Verde Islands, system does not have the capability to deploy weapons Cayman Islands, Congo, Cuba, Djibouti, Dominica, autonomously and can only release its weapons when East Timor, Eritrea, Fiji, Finland, Gabon, Grenada, commanded to do so by the fully trained and qualified Guinea, Guyana, Iceland, Ivory Coast, Kyrgyzstan, flight crew operating on the ground. The policy governing Latvia, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malawi, the use of Reaper is identical to that for conventionally Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mexico, Moldova, Monaco, piloted combat aircraft operating in Afghanistan. UK Mongolia, Montenegro, Montserrat, Mozambique, Puerto forces in Afghanistan come under the command of the Rico, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Romania, NATO International Security and Assistance Forces Rwanda, Seychelles, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, Senegal, (ISAF) and in doing so operate in accordance with Sri Lanka, Somalia, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, International Humanitarian Law (IHL) (also known as The Gambia, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, the Law of Armed Conflict) and UK Rules of Engagement. Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Uruguay, Military lawyers based in Afghanistan advise on all Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam and Zambia. aspects of operations and the selection and prosecution We keep the location of defence attachés under review. of all ISAF targets is the subject of a rigorous process that is compliant with IHL. In 2010-11 the total costs of provision of defence attaché and adviser cover to these countries was £43,623, Military Attachés 976, of which £31,828, 619 was attaché costs and £11,803,356 Foreign and Commonwealth Office charges Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for for provision of service accommodation. Defence which countries have British defence attachés; It is expected that costs for the year 2011-12 will be of and what the cost of these was to his Department in a very similar order. 2011. [88339] Military Bases Mr Gerald Howarth: As the hon. Member knows, defence attachés are appointed to Diplomatic Heads of Sir Menzies Campbell: To ask the Secretary of State Missions’ staff as the Chief of the Defence Staff’s for Defence pursuant to the Answer to the hon. Member representative and Head of the Defence Section to for Edinburgh West of 5 September 2011, Official Report, represent the Ministry of Defence and UK armed forces. column 91W, on military bases: Kirknewton, on what They work closely with their host governments to pursue basis Kirknewton was assessed as offering best value for close bilateral defence relationships, build partnerships money; and if he will make a statement. [86641] between our armed forces and provide bespoke military support to Her Majesty’s Government’s policy priorities Nick Harvey: On 18 July 2011, Official Report, columns to protect and promote the UK’s influence and interests. 643-45, the previous Secretary of State for Defence, the Defence attachés’ unique relationships and access deliver right hon. Member for North Somerset (Dr Fox), set disproportionate soft power projection and influence. out the basis for the decisions made during the Basing They work to promote British values and regional Review. policies, advance regional development and prevent conflict. They deliver significant effect to counter terrorism, A key aim for the review was to set out a geographical support conflict resolution in fragile states and where footprint for Army units returning from Germany that appropriate, provide specialist knowledge and influence delivered the operational and personnel requirements, to assist to build UK prosperity. and made the most efficient use of the existing Defence estate. The UK has defence attachés and advisers in 71 countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina, Australia, We therefore outlined a broad strategy of changing Austria Hub (covering Croatia, Hungary, Macedonia, the usage of under-used sites, including making Kirknewton Kosovo, Slovenia, Slovakia and Switzerland,), Bahrain, an Army barracks, and realising receipts from the sale Baltic States (Estonia), Bangladesh, Bosnia and of high-value sites no longer required. Detailed value Herzegovina, Brazil, Brunei, Canada, Chile, China, for money assessments will be made only as specific Colombia, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Cyprus, decisions are taken and changes made. Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Ethiopia, France, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, India, Indonesia, Sir Menzies Campbell: To ask the Secretary of State Iraq, Ireland (non resident, accredited from London), for Defence whether the Defence Basing Review Team Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, was provided with estimates of the cost of building new Korea, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Nepal, barracks at Kirknewton, West Lothian prior to 18 July Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, 2011. [86644] 25W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 26W

Nick Harvey: The Defence Basing Review included a Number ’rough order of magnitude’ estimate for the cost of construction required at Kirknewton to make it ready Landing Platform Helicopter 12 for use by part of a Multi Role Brigade. Landing Platform Dock 2 Motorways: Fires Type 45 Destroyer 3 Type 42 Destroyer 3 Paul Flynn: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence Type 23 Frigate 13 what the (a) date and (b) location was of each Hunt Class Mine Counter 8 Measures Vessel incident on motorways and approaches to motorways Sandown Class Mine Counter 7 involving fires in vehicles carrying ammunition in each Measures Vessel of the last five years. [86953] River Class Offshore Patrol 3 Vessels Peter Luff [holding answer 19 December 2011]: The River Class Offshore Patrol 1 Ministry of Defence (MOD) has no record of any Vessels (Helicopter) incident on motorways, or approaches to motorways, P2000 Patrol Boats 18 that have involved fires in MOD vehicles carrying Ocean Survey Vessels 1 ammunition during the last five years. There was however Coastal Survey Vessels 3 a commercial vehicle moving ammunition on behalf of fee Patrol Ship 1 the MOD that suffered a brake fire in the cab unit. The Ships Submersible Ballistic 4 incident happened on the morning of 22 August 2011 at Nuclear the Crown Lane roundabout on the A4042. The fire Ship Submersible Nuclear 7 brigade was called, but before they arrived on scene the 1 HMS Illustrious is now operating in the Landing Platform driver and escort of the lorry had de-coupled the cab Helicopter role, as well as HMS Ocean. unit from the trailer and extinguished the fire. The vehicle was compliant with UK and EU regulations on As at 15 December 2011, 23 Royal Navy vessels are the movement of dangerous goods. currently at sea. This figure changes on a daily basis. Navy Each of these units will be progressing through different readiness states in response to our operational needs, Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for together with maintenance and training programmes, Defence which Royal Navy ships are (a) at sea, (b) and the harmony requirements of their ships’ companies. ready for deployment, (c) at reduced readiness and (d) The Royal Navy categorises the readiness of its ships in mothballed; and if he will make a statement. [86825] accordance with the following table which is taken from the National Audit Office report ‘Assessingand Reporting Peter Luff: The number of Royal Navy vessels available Military Readiness’, published on 15 June 2005, which for active service are detailed in the following table: is available in the Library of the House.

Readiness category Abbreviation Description

Immediate Readiness RO Force elements ready to deploy, appropriately manned, equipped and supported Extremely High Readiness R1 At 2 days notice Very High Readiness R2 At 5 days notice R3 At l0 days notice High Readiness R4 At 20 days notice R5 At 30 days notice Medium Readiness R6 At 40 days notice R7 At 60 days notice R8 At 90 days notice Low Readiness R9 At 180 days notice Very Low Readiness R10 At 365 days notice R11 More than 365 days notice

We do not reveal the readiness level of individual Nimrod Aircraft ships as to do so would enable deductions to be made about the condition and preparedness of units and of Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Navy. This would therefore be prejudicial to the Defence what electronic equipment from the (a) safety of individual units and to national security. Nimrod MR2 and (b) Nimrod MR4A has been installed on (i) aircraft and (ii) naval vessels. [87596] As the term “mothballed”is not used by the Department for the condition of a ship, I have interpreted your Peter Luff: No complete Nimrod MR2 or Nimrod question as referring to very low readiness. As of December MRA4 electronic system has been installed on other 2011, the Royal Navy has no ships in this category. aircraft or naval vessels. However, a number of platforms have benefited from being able to utilise elements of HMS Endurance remains a Royal Navy asset, although electronic systems from Nimrod MR2 and Nimrod not operational. MRA4. 27W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 28W

Warships: Wrecks Mr Vaizey: Arts Council England does not collect data on the cinema presentation facilities of their regularly Mr Andrew Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for funded organisations, though does support such facilities Defence if he will make it his policy not to sell the as the Foundation for Art and Creative Technology in wrecks of Royal Navy ships on which there was loss of Liverpool and the Brewery Arts Centre in Kendal, life. [86945] which do have cinema presentation facilities.

Mr Robathan: Decisions on disposals of Royal Navy BBC: Expenditure wrecks are taken on a case by case basis, having regard to the circumstances of the individual vessels. A major Alun Cairns: To ask the Secretary of State for factor in any such decision would be whether or not the Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will consider remains of a ship, sunk with loss of life, were considered encouraging the BBC to publish all invoices in excess of as the last resting place of those who gave their lives. It £500. [85511] is not current Ministry of Defence practice either to sell such wrecks or to issue salvage licences in respect of Mr Vaizey [holding answer 8 December 2011]: The them. Government encourages the BBC to be transparent in its financial matters and to take due account of the Written Questions: Government Responses relevant Government guidance in this area.

Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for BBC: Licensing Defence when he plans to answer question (a) 70848, (b) 70850 and (c) 70851, on procurement contracts, Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for tabled on 5 September 2011 for answer on 7 September Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what proportion 2011; and if he will make a statement. [86839] of revenue collected from the BBC licence fee is paid in Scotland. [88150] Peter Luff: I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave on 14 December 2011, Official Report, column Mr Vaizey: The Department does not hold this 796W. information. The collection of TV licence fee revenue is the responsibility of the BBC but the BBC does not calculate revenue received by nation.

CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT Broadband Arts Council England Nia Griffith: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many households have Chris Kelly: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, new broadband connections as a result of the Government Olympics, Media and Sport (1) what recent assessment working with house builders. [88714] he has made of the value for money of the funding provided for The Public Arts Centre; [88657] Mr Vaizey: The Government have made no assessment (2) if he will assess the findings of the report by of the number of new broadband connections as a Anthony Blackstock entitled The Public: Lessons result of working with house builders. The Publicly learned by Arts Council England. [88658] Available Specification: Next Generation Access for new build homes (PAS 2016) published in December Mr Vaizey: Arts Council England (ACE) commissioned 2010 is intended to provide developers and house builders Anthony Blackstock’s report ‘The Public: Lessons learned with the information they need to make informed decisions by Arts Council England’, the contents of which have on how to ensure homes are best-equipped for next been noted by this Department. ACE has adopted generation connectivity. measures that significantly reduce the level of risk for future projects and its new capital programme reflects Nia Griffith: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, the recommendations made in the report. ACE’s response Olympics, Media and Sport what discussions he has to the report is publicly available at: had with BT on the provision of super-fast broadband http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/media/uploads/pdf/Alan_ to the third of the UK population in hard-to-reach Davey_response_to_The_Public_report_31111.pdf communities. [88716] ACE funds projects at arm’s length from Government and it is not for Government to intervene in individual Mr Vaizey: BT is one of the companies bidding to be funding decisions. ACE continues to monitor and assess part of the Broadband Delivery UK (BDUK) framework the visitor numbers and building use of The Public Arts contract and has been included in all the dialogue Centre. phases of the framework process.

Arts Council England: Finance Broadband: Scotland

Mr Sanders: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for Olympics, Media and Sport how many organisations Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport (1) what recent with cinema presentation facilities are regularly funded assessment he has made of the progress of the roll-out organisations of Arts Council England. [87103] of super-fast broadband in Scotland; [88148] 29W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 30W

(2) if he will consider what additional funding can be John Penrose: The Department has not engaged any made available to ensure that all communities in Scotland debt recovery companies in the period since May 2010. have access to broadband. [88149] However, the recovery of grants made up to 1994 by the former English tourist board under section 4 of the Mr Vaizey: The Government remain committed to Development of Tourism Act 1969 is handled as part of completing the UK broadband delivery programme by a grant-management contract with Stephen Lewis 2015. The Government therefore welcome the commitment Consultancy. ‘Section 4 grants’ may become recoverable in the Scottish Government’s Infrastructure Investment by the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media Plan 2011 to add £50 million of Scottish Government and Sport, my right hon. Friend the Member for South funding and £25.5 million from the European Regional West Surrey (Mr Hunt), on the sale of a grant-aided Development Fund (ERDF) to the UK Government’s property or if the grant recipient goes into liquidation. £68.8 million allocation for Scotland that was announced in August The Government also look forward to seeing Departmental Advertising the Scottish Government’s plans in the early part of 2012. Mr Crausby: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, The Government recognise the particular technical Olympics, Media and Sport what public information and geographical challenges facing broadband roll-out advertising campaigns his Department ran in (a) 2008-09, in the more remote parts of Scotland and have proposed (b) 2009-10 and (c) 2011-12 to date; and what the cost that a joint working group of officials from the Department was of each campaign. [87397] for Culture, Media and Sport and the Scottish Government look at these issues. Depending on the outcome of this John Penrose: The Free Swimming toolkit in 2008-09 work, the Government will be prepared to consider was a marketing and branding pack for participating increasing the funding allocated to broadband in Scotland local authorities to use to promote free swimming in on the basis of a match funded approach, and subject their areas. It cost the Department £47,166.10. to affordability. There has been no other public information advertising campaign funded by this Department in 2009-12 although Co-operatives departmental bodies such as Visit Britain and Visit England also run marketing campaigns in partnership Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, with the tourism industry as a core part of their role. Olympics, Media and Sport what steps (a) his Department and (b) those bodies for which his Department is Departmental Apprentices responsible are taking to mark UN Yearof the Co-operative 2012; and if he will make a statement. [88594] Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, John Penrose: The Department has no plans to mark Olympics, Media and Sport how many apprentices were the UN Year of the Co-operative 2012. employed by each public body for which his Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 and March 2011 The Department does not collate this information for and (b) April and December 2011; and how many its arm’s length bodies centrally. It is for each body to apprenticeships he expects each public body to sponsor choose whether and how they mark the year. between (i) January and March 2012 and (ii) April 2012 and March 2013. [88743] Copyright: Music John Penrose: The Department does not collate centrally Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for the number of apprentices employed by each of its Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what discussions arm’s length bodies (ALBs), and to do so would incur his Department has had with the Performing Rights disproportionate cost. Society on ensuring that the royalty payment formula Accordingly, I have asked their chief executives to takes account of market barriers for UK-based minority write to the hon. Member for Streatham. Copies of the language artists and provides adequate recompense for replies will be placed in the Libraries of both Houses. their cultural and linguistic contributions. [88434] There are no expectations as to the number of future apprenticeships that each of the Department’s ALBs Mr Vaizey: This is a matter that needs to be resolved will sponsor. These decisions are at the discretion of through discussions between the Performing Rights each body, and we do not hold a central record of these. Society for music and their members. The Government do not have any role in this matter since collecting Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, societies are independent commercial entities whose Olympics, Media and Sport how much funding from collecting society functions are not specifically regulated the public purse has been allocated to sponsor by the Government. apprenticeships in each of the public bodies for which his Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 Debt Collection and March 2011, (b) April 2011 and March 2012 and (c) April 2012 and March 2013. [88744] Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many times John Penrose: The Department does not collate centrally his Department has used the services of debt recovery this information for our arms-length bodies. Accordingly, companies since May 2010; which companies were I have asked their chief executives to write to the hon. used; and if he will make a statement. [88374] Member for Streatham. 31W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 32W

Copies of the replies will be placed in the Libraries of John Penrose: This Department has not spent on both Houses. recruitment agencies between September and November 2011. Departmental Catering Departmental Redundancy Pay Huw Irranca-Davies: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how much his Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Department spent on food purchased through its food Olympics, Media and Sport how much redundancy pay and catering services in the last 12 months for which was paid to civil servants in his Department in each figures are available. [86996] month between September and November 2011. [88009]

John Penrose: The Department does not have its own John Penrose: The following table shows the total food and catering service, following the closure of the amount of redundancy payments made to civil servants staff canteen in December 2009. in this Department in each month between September However, we have spent £40,200.44 on hospitality and November 2011 provided by catering contractors Baxter Storey, during October 2010 to October 2011. We are unable to separately 2011 Redundancy (£) identify food costs from the overall figure. September 202,284.63 October 75,665.53 Departmental Equality November 225,954 Total 503,904.16 Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what equality impact Departmental Temporary Employment assessments his Department has carried out since May 2010; and for what purpose in each case. [88577] Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for John Penrose: The Equality Act 2010 removed the Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many need to produce equality impact assessments and instead temporary staff have been recruited to his Department introduced an equality duty. Nonetheless DCMS has between September and November 2011. [88010] carried out an equality assessment on key areas of its work, including the October 2010 spending review when John Penrose: Between September and November we considered all potential impacts of any resource 2011, five temporary staff were recruited to this Department. reduction on particular groups, regions and the new appraisal system in April 2011. Diamond Jubilee 2012: District Councils

Departmental Manpower Nicola Blackwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport whether his Department plans to offer financial support to (a) Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for district councils and (b) town and parish councils to Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many people cover additional logistical costs incurred by them as a were working in his Department on (a) 11 May 2010 result of the diamond jubilee celebrations. [88547] and (b) 8 December 2011. [87351] Hugh Robertson: It is expected that diamond jubilee John Penrose: The information requested is set out in celebrations will reflect the current economic climate the following table: and be funded within existing budgets wherever possible. Local communities can and will mark the diamond Date Headcount jubilee as they wish in any number of different ways, 11 May 2010 480 many of which will involve no additional costs for 8 December 2011 487 district councils, or town and parish councils. The Department for Communities and Local Government The figures include staff temporarily on loan and has asked local authorities to be flexible and supportive secondment from other Government Departments for wherever possible of local celebrations. the Olympics. The Department will downsize further after the Olympic Games. Diamond Jubilee 2012: Medals The Department launched a voluntary redundancy scheme in September 2010 and 68 permanent employees Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for have left between March 2011 and December 2011. In Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what estimate he April 2011, 58 employees transferred from BIS to DCMS has made of the number of recipients of the Queen’s under the machinery of government changes. diamond jubilee medal; and what the cost to the public purse will be. [88319] Departmental Recruitment Hugh Robertson: We expect that between 400,000 and Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for 450,000 medals will be produced. Production will be Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how much his based on a unit cost of around £16 per medal, and we Department spent on recruitment agencies in each therefore estimate that the total cost to Government month since September 2011. [88011] could be in the region of £7 million to £8 million. 33W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 34W

Digital Technology or competition. This has included detailed discussion with industry to gather support for the changes, minimize Nia Griffith: To ask the Secretary of State for implementation costs and risks and identify the full Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what progress has consequence of change. been made towards the installation of a digital hub in In February 2012, Ofcom expects to consult on detailed every community by 2015. [88715] proposals intended to overhaul the regulation of non- geographic calls. The mobile industry will be directly Mr Vaizey: The local broadband plans being developed engaged in the consultation process. Ofcom’s proposals by local authorities will contain coverage details for include the recommendation that 080 should be free stimulating private investment in broadband connectivity from all phones (fixed and mobile); and that there and plans to deliver a digital hub in their communities. should be clear pricing rules for revenue sharing ranges, There are currently eight in procurement and over 30 including 118, which will allow price comparison between more in preparation. 118 providers and restrict the mobile companies’ ability Infrastructure to exploit consumer confusion.

Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for Mobile Phones: Health Hazards Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how much of the sum allocated by his Department for e-infrastructure Alun Cairns: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, has been allocated to each region. [88098] Olympics, Media and Sport (1) what assessment he has made of the additional number of mobile telephone Mr Vaizey: The Government are investing £530 million masts required to deliver national mobile coverage over in the UK’s broadband network: existing spectrum in the 800 MHz band; [87834] http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/news_stories/7502.aspx (2) whether he proposes that open access obligations The allocations of funding were published in the summer will be applied to service providers that benefit from of 2011, the details can be found on the Department for public investment in mobile telephone masts. [87835] Culture, Media and Sport’s website, or by using the following links: Mr Vaizey: The aim of the Mobile Infrastructure England and Scotland Project is to improve 2G mobile coverage and quality http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/news_stories/8389.aspx for the 5% to 10% of consumers in areas of the UK and where existing coverage is poor or non-existent, with the goal of extending coverage to 99% of the UK http://www.culture.gov.uk/images/publications/BDUK- population. We are working with Ofcom and. other Funding-Allocation-16-08-11.pdf stakeholders to determine how best to fill the gaps in Northern Ireland current coverage, whether through construction of masts http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/news_stories/8385.aspx or other appropriate infrastructure. Wales The coverage of mobile services at 800 MHz is a http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/8289.aspx matter for Ofcom, who in March consulted on a range Local Broadcasting of matters regarding the auction of 800 MHz and 2.6 GHz spectrum, including coverage obligations. We Mr Sheerman: To ask the Secretary of State for understand that Ofcom are expecting to consult again Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he is on revised proposals shortly taking to support local and community media. [86761] It is anticipated that there will be open access to this infrastructure for all mobile network operators. The Mr Vaizey: The Government’s response to the conditions applying to the use of the infrastructure are consultations on the Framework for Local TV consultation yet to be determined through discussion with the operators, and Pioneer Locations was published on 13 December but they will be designed to ensure delivery of an 2011. This includes details of the first locations that effective and sustainable network. Ofcom expects to invite applications for local TV licences and confirms the legislative proposals. The Government Museums and Galleries expect this will grow the local media market and offer new opportunities for existing businesses and new entrants. Steve Rotheram: To ask the Secretary of State for Mobile Phones: Fees and Charges Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many (a) museums, (b) art galleries and (c) theatres have been Mrs Glindon: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, built in Liverpool since 1997. [87039] Olympics, Media and Sport if he will encourage mobile telephone operators to review their charges for (a) Mr Vaizey [holding answer 19 December 2011]: This 0800, (b) directory enquiries and (c) other non-geographic Department does not hold information on the total calls. [87838] number of new museums, art galleries and theatres to be built in Liverpool since 1997. Mr Vaizey: This is an operational matter for Ofcom, National Museums Liverpool, one of the DCMS the independent regulator. national museums, has built one new museum, the Ofcom is currently engaged in a review of non-geographic Museum of Liverpool. This was the largest new museum calls, which includes 0800 and directory inquiries and is in over 100 years and opened in Liverpool in July 2011. of the view that regulatory change is needed as the It also opened the International Slavery museum in existing market structure does not encourage transparency 2007 which was developed from an existing building. 35W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 36W

Arts Council England has supported 40 capital projects Hexham constituency to discuss preparations for the in the Liverpool local authority area by eight organisations London 2012’s Olympics and the local community’s since 1997. These are: Empire Theatre, Foundation for involvement in a mini East Tynedale Olympics. [87885] Art and Creative Technology, Great Georges Community Cultural Project Ltd, Liverpool and Merseyside Theatres Hugh Robertson: Neither the Secretary of State for Trust, Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts, The Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport, my right hon. Bluecoat, Unity Theatre Company and Valley Community Friend the Member for South West Surrey (Mr Hunt), Theatre. Additionally, in October this year the Everyman nor I have specific plans to visit Hexham constituency Theatre received an Arts Council England lottery grant to discuss preparations for the London 2012 Olympics. towards its £35 million upgrade. However, the Secretary of State will be visiting the north-east in January as part of his regional tourism Official Hospitality tour, and preparations for the School Games. The Government and the London Organising Committee Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, of the Olympic and Paralympic Games (LOCOG) (a) Olympics, Media and Sport whether any Ministers established the Nations and Regions Group to ensure (b) and special advisers in his Department have UK-wide engagement and to maximise the legacy from received hospitality from Japan Tobacco International London 2012. This group works directly with representatives since May 2010. [87610] from each of the nations and English regions to realise the sporting, economic, and cultural benefits of the John Penrose: Ministers and special advisers in this 2012 Games. Department have not received any hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May 2010. Olympic Games 2012: National Lottery Olympic Games 2012 Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Robert Halfon: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport pursuant to the Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will discuss answer to the hon. Member for Harrow West of with Transport for London and the Mayor publishing 15 December 2011, Official Report, column 832W, on in advance dates around the London 2012 Olympic the Olympic Games 2012: National Lottery, whether he Games when routine maintenance work is planned on has plans to ensure that countries and regions of the UK which have received fewer legacy benefits from the London Underground. [87815] hosting of the London 2012 Olympics will receive Mrs Villiers: I have been asked to reply on behalf of preferential treatment from future Lottery funding. the Department for Transport. [88636] Transport for London (TfL) publish all planned John Penrose: The distributing bodies for national engineering work in advance. Details about tube line lottery grants—rightly—make their funding decisions and station closures over the next six months are available independently of Government, and against their published on their website. London Underground is planning criteria for particular programmes. This process will not ahead to seek to minimise the work carried out during change after the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic the games period. This means that no planned closures games. Increased lottery ticket income means that are to take place on the tube network between 17 July considerably more lottery funding should be available and 14 September 2012. for good causes throughout the United Kingdom in Olympic Games 2012: District Councils future. Olympic Games 2012: North East Nicola Blackwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport whether his Guy Opperman: To ask the Secretary of State for (a) Department plans to offer financial support to Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he is (b) district councils and town and parish councils taking to ensure that the north- east plays an active role which are on the route of the Olympic Torch. [88548] in the London 2012 Olympics ceremonies. [87884]

Hugh Robertson: The Department has no plans to Hugh Robertson: The London 2012 Organising offer financial support to district councils or town, and Committee (LOCOG) is responsible for staging a variety parish councils on the route of the Olympic Torch relay. of formal ceremonies as part of hosting the Olympic Each community on route or host authority for an and Paralympic Games. This includes the opening and evening celebration has entered into an agreement with closing ceremonies, athlete welcome ceremonies, torch the London 2012 Organising Committee (LOCOG) to handover and arrival ceremony; torch relay evening deliver the services required to support the relay and celebrations and victory ceremonies. entered into such agreements at their own discretion, accepting the responsibilities entailed. The Department There is a wide range of opportunities for the north-east will continue to engage with local authorities, sharing and the whole of the UK to be involved. Business best practice to support them as they prepare for the contracts to deliver goods and services for the ceremonies relay. are being won by firms from across the UK via Competefor. Volunteers from across the UK will work and perform Olympic Games 2012: Hexham at all these ceremonies. There will be four Olympic Torch relay evening celebrations held at Alnwick, Newcastle, Guy Opperman: To ask the Secretary of State for Durham and Middlesbrough as the Olympic flame Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will visit travels across the north-east from 15 to 20 June. 37W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 38W

The London 2012 Live Site network (including in Ofcom confirms that in its view there continues to be Middlesbrough) will broadcast a number of the ceremonies. sufficient spectrum to meet historic peak demand in Athletes will take centre stage in the ceremonies, including this sector. those from the north-east in Team GB and ParalympicsGB. Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Olympic Games 2012: Plastic Bags Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what recent progress has been made on ensuring that the 800MHz band is clear of existing users by October 2012; and if Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for he will make a statement. [88641] Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport pursuant to the answer of 15 December 2011, Official Report, column Mr Vaizey: Ofcom’s most recent update on 7 October 832W, on the Olympic Games 2012: plastic bags, 2011, confirmed that it continued to expect the 800MHz whether the London 2012 Sustainable Sourcing Code band to be available from early 2013 (although not provides that LOCOG’s sponsors and suppliers should nationwide until later in 2013). We understand work is not supply single-use or short-life plastic bags. [88515] on track to achieve this. In particular, digital switchover of television broadcasting Hugh Robertson: The latest edition of LOCOG’s is progressing to plan and—in relation to channels 61 Sustainable Sourcing Code is online at and 62 which are the more recent additions to the http://www.london2012.com/documents/locog-publications/ spectrum to be cleared—this work has been completed sustainable-sourcing-code.pdf as part of planned switchover in Yorkshire, Central and This makes clear that, where practicable, all products STV Central regions. In 2012, 800-MHz clearance will and packaging at the games (whether from LOCOG, take place as part of planned switchover in London, sponsors or suppliers) will be able to be reused, recycled Meridian (partial), Tyne Tees and Northern Ireland. or recovered. It links to specific Packaging Guidelines We understand remaining regions are on track to be which make clear that carrier bags should only be cleared of channel 61 and 62’s use by the end of 2013. produced if they are intended to be re-useable or made out of materials which can be widely recycled. Sign Language

Radio Frequencies Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what assessment his Department has made of the proposal to designate Alun Cairns: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, British Sign Language as an indigenous minority Olympics, Media and Sport what consideration he has language in the UK. [87585] given to liberating femtocells on the 190 MHz spectrum in areas where there is a lack of competition for use in a Mr Vaizey: The Department for Culture, Media and similar way to WiFi on the ISM spectrum. [85509] Sport has made no assessment of whether British Sign Language should be designated as an indigenous minority Mr Vaizey [holding answer 8 December 2011]: The language in the UK. matter raised is an operational one for the independent regulator, the Office of Communications (Ofcom). Sikhs Accordingly, my officials spoke to Ofcom, who advised: In March of this year Ofcom consulted on proposals for the Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for award of rights to use the 800 MHz and 2.6 GHz spectrum bands. Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will have One option on which Ofcom consulted was the reservation of discussions with the Sikh Council UK and Sikh part of the 2.6 GHz band for shared low-power use, to promote Federation (UK) on policy matters relating to the Sikh competition and innovation. Ofcom received a number of responses community. [87196] from stakeholders on this proposal, some of which suggested that Ofcom’s objectives would be better met if part of this band were reserved for this type of use on a licence exempt basis, similar to John Penrose: The Secretary of State for Culture, WiFi. Ofcom will shortly be publishing a further consultation on Olympics, Media and Sport, my right hon. Friend the these issues. This will provide stakeholders with a further opportunity Member for South West Surrey (Mr Hunt), has regular to provide views and evidence as to the benefits and costs of such discussions with a significant number of bodies on a an approach. Ofcom will take all such views and evidence into wide range of subjects. It would be helpful if the hon. account before deciding whether or not to implement such an Gentleman could write with details of the topics which approach. he wishes to discuss so we can consider how best to address them. Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many channels Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for of radio spectrum are available for use by wireless Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps his microphone operators; and if he will make a statement. Department has taken to ensure practising Sikhs are [88640] able to wear articles of faith such as the Kirpan when visiting UK tourist attractions. [87197] Mr Vaizey: It is not possible to give a single figure for the number of available channels because availability of John Penrose: VisitEngland, the national tourist board, radio spectrum for wireless microphone use varies by is not aware of any instances where articles of faith such geographic location. JFMG, which manages spectrum as the Kirpan have not been permitted to be worn at a in this area on behalf of Ofcom, can advise on availability UK tourist attraction. If the hon. Gentleman has evidence of frequencies at any particular site. As a general point, of occasions when this has occurred I would encourage 39W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 40W him to send details either to me or to VisitEngland, made of the effect on consumers of delays to Ofcom together with information on what steps (if any) were regulation affected by the telecoms appeals framework. taken to raise the issue with the attraction owners at the [87841] time. Mr Vaizey: The Department is concerned about the Telephone Services impact of lengthy and costly appeals against Ofcom on its ability to regulate for the benefit of consumers. For Mrs Glindon: To ask the Secretary of State for that reason, we have held two consultations on the Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will discuss telecoms appeal framework. The first in autumn 2010, with Ofcom the (a) progress of, (b) reasons for the as part of a consultation on implementing changes to time taken for and (c) timescale for implementation of the electronic communications framework, and the second its review of non-geographic call services. [87837] in August 2011 (closed October 2011). The Department is currently considering what action to take as a result Mr Vaizey: Ofcom started their review of non-geographic of responses received. call services in March 2010 and sought comments from stakeholders. This was followed by a strategic consultation Telephone Services: Fees and Charges in December 2010 in which broad options for wholesale change of the market were canvassed. The options in part relied on expected changes to the Communications Mrs Glindon: To ask the Secretary of State for Act (from the transposition of changes to the EC Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what assessment Telecommunications Framework) which were made at he has made of the financial effects on consumers of the end of May 2011. non-geographic call prices from (a) mobile telephones and (b) landlines. [87839] Now that the changes have been made to the Communications Act, Ofcom expects to consult, in Mr Vaizey: This is an operational matter for Ofcom, February 2012, on detailed proposals to overhaul the the independent regulator. relevant regulation. This should conclude in September 2012, when Ofcom will set out the transition timetable, Ofcom’s current review of these services has identified which could extend to 2013-14. The consultation process problems with the transparency of call charges, which needs to be thorough; the market is worth £1.5 billion has led to clear evidence of market failure with the per annum and changes will impact on almost every result that the charges faced by consumers probably do organisation in the UK and consumers. Any change not reflect the value placed on them and that the made will lead to a redistribution of costs and charges, providers of services are unable to compete effectively and in some cases will be beneficial to consumers. There to offer better value and innovation to potential customers. are risks of unintended consequences such as making Ofcom’s analysis suggests that the financial impact of services uneconomical, which need to be assessed and the charges is likely to be unevenly distributed. Higher solutions identified. Doing this effectively takes time prices of some mobile services are likely to lead to lower and I am satisfied with Ofcom’s timetable in this regard. prices for others in a competitive market. However, for However, the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, more vulnerable consumers, who more regularly require Media and Sport, my right hon. Friend the Member for access to socially important services, particularly if they South West Surrey (Mr Hunt), will discuss with them to are in a mobile only household, there is evidence of ensure that their current timings can be met. significant consumer disadvantage. Therefore, Ofcom is reviewing the market for these services and will be Mrs Glindon: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, setting out its proposals for an overhaul of the regulations Olympics, Media and Sport what assessment he has in February 2012. made of the adequacy of the telecoms appeals framework in enabling Ofcom to make timely regulatory interventions UK Sport: Disability in accordance with its statutory duties. [87840] Damian Collins: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Vaizey: The Department has held two consultations Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how much UK on the telecoms appeal framework. The first in autumn Sport spent on the development of disabled weightlifting 2010, as part of a consultation on implementing changes in each of the last five years; and how much it has to the electronic communications framework, and the allocated to supporting existing athletes in the latest second in August 2011 (closed October 2011). The period for which figures are available. [88064] Department is now considering what action to take as a result of the responses received. Hugh Robertson: The following table provides the investment made by UK Sport to both the Powerlifting Mrs Glindon: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, National Governing Body and directly to Powerlifting Olympics, Media and Sport what assessment he has athletes.

£ Financial year World Class Programme Direct to Powerlifting athletes Total

April 2011 to November 2011 120,112 22,224 142,336 April 2010 to March 2011 219,867 40,507 260,374 April 2009 to March 2010 237,325 41,067 278,392 April 2008 to March 2009 316,245 46,073 362,318 41W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 42W

£ Financial year World Class Programme Direct to Powerlifting athletes Total

April 2007 to March 2008 99,138 23,316 122,454 April 2006 to March 2007 49,744 15,612 65,356 Total 1,042,431 188,799 1,231,230

ELECTORAL COMMISSION COMMITTEE Joint Ministerial Committee on the European Union

Electoral Register Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Prime Minister pursuant to the answer of 19 December 2011, Official Report, columns 909-10W, which Members of the Cabinet Chris Ruane: To ask the hon. Member for South West represented the UK Government at the most recent Devon, representing the Speaker’s Committee on the Joint Ministerial Committee sub-committee meeting on Electoral Commission, what information the Speaker’s Europe. [88514] Committee holds on the effectiveness of electoral registration campaigns operated by the Electoral The Prime Minister: It is longstanding practice under Commission. [88093] successive administrations not to disclose information relating to ministerial meetings, including the proceedings Mr Streeter: The Speaker’s Committee publishes annually of Cabinet and Cabinet committees, as to do so would the reports by the Comptroller and Auditor General on put at risk the public interest in the full and frank the economy, efficiency and effectiveness of the Electoral discussion of policy by Ministers. Commission. The most recent such report (the Committee’s First Report 2011) included an assessment of the Electoral Commission’s expenditure on public awareness campaigns, LEADER OF THE HOUSE to inform people how to register to vote, to encourage them to do so and to make sure people know how to Legislation cast their vote. The report found that the Commission is doing well in fulfilling its legislative responsibilities and Mr David Hamilton: To ask the Leader of the House evaluating its performance in promoting public awareness. whether he plans to publish a Draft Legislative An earlier report on the Commission’s work on public Statement for the next Session of Parliament. [87917] awareness was published as the Committee’s First Report 2006. Sir George Young: I have no plans to publish a draft Both reports are available via the Committee’s webpage legislative statement for the next Session. Work is under at: way to plan a full legislative programme for the second Session, which will be announced in the Queen’s Speech www.parliament.uk/scec in the spring.

PRIME MINISTER COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT Affordable Housing Departmental Email Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of Jon Trickett: To ask the Prime Minister what State for Communities and Local Government what guidance his Department provides to Ministers, special steps his Department has taken to deliver affordable advisers and officials on the use of personal email housing within mixed sustainable communities. [87669] accounts to conduct official business. [88535] Grant Shapps: The draft National Planning Policy The Prime Minister: I refer the hon. Member to the Framework says local planning authorities should plan answer I gave to the hon. Member for Birmingham, for a mix of housing based on current and future Erdington (Jack Dromey) on 17 October 2011, Official demographic trends, market trends and the needs of Report, column 603W. different groups in the community; identify the size, type, tenure and range of housing that is required in Festivals and Special Occasions particular locations, reflecting local demand; and where they have identified affordable housing is required, set policies for meeting this need on site, unless off-site Robert Halfon: To ask the Prime Minister if he will provision or a financial contribution of broadly equivalent publish the guest list of his recent Eid event. [87860] value can be robustly justified and the agreed approach contributes to the objective of creating mixed and balanced The Prime Minister: Information on official and charity communities. The consultation on the draft framework receptions held at 10 Downing street is published by has closed and we are now considering all the responses. means of an annual list as soon as it is ready at the end Overall, the Government are investing £4.5 billion to of the financial year. provide up to 170,000 new affordable homes by 2015. 43W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 44W

Cleveland Fire Brigade Compulsory Purchase

Tom Blenkinsop: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government what (a) funding Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for and (b) advice his Department has provided to Cleveland Communities and Local Government how many Fire Brigade on establishing a separate, for-profit compulsory purchase orders have been issued in each community interest company; and what the cost to the local authority area in each of the last five years. [88026] public purse was of any such advice. [87798]

Robert Neill: Cleveland Fire Brigade have discussed Robert Neill: The following table sets out during each their proposals for the establishment of a separate, of the last five years, the number of compulsory purchase for-profit community interest company, informally with orders which have either been confirmed by the Secretary the Department. The Department has not offered any of State for Communities and Local Government, or funding or formal advice on this issue. returned to the local authority for their own confirmation.

1 April 2011 to 1 April 2010 to 1 April 2009 to 1 April 2008 to 1 April 2007 to Local authorities 23 December 2011 31 March 2011 March 2010 31 March 2009 March 2008

Arun — — 1 1 — Ashfield — — — 1 — Babergh — — — 1 — Barking and Dagenham — 1 — — 4 Barnet — 4 — — 1 Barnsley UA 1 — 1 — 1 Barrow-in-Furness — 1 — — 1 Basildon — — 1 — — Bedford borough council — 1 1 — — Birmingham UA 2 2 5 11 4 Blackburn with Darwen borough 14212 council UA Blackpool UA 1——— 1 Bracknell Forest UA — — — 1 — Brent 53213 Brentwood — — — 1 — Brighton and Hove UA 1 — — 1 — Bristol (City and County of) UA —432— Broadland 11111 Bromley — — 7 — 1 Burnley —1773 Bury UA — — 2 1 1 CalderdaleUA———— 1 Cambridge — — 1 — — Cannock Chase — — — 1 — Canterbury ———— 1 Carrick — — — 1 — Charnwood — — 2 — — Cherwell 1———— Cheshire West and Chester council 1———— City of Bradford Metropolitan 11—22 District council UA City of Westminster 1 — 1 — 1 Congleton — — — 2 — Corby — — — 1 1 Cornwall CC 1 — 1 — — Coventry UA — 1 — — — Croydon — — — 1 — Derby City UA — 2 — 1 — Derbyshire CC 1 — — 1 — DevonCC 1—— 1— Doncaster UA — — 1 4 1 Ealing —1112 Easington — — 1 — — East Riding of Yorkshire UA 2 1 1 — — East Sussex CC — — — 1 — Enfield 1544— Epping Forest ———— 1 Fenland ———— 1 45W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 46W

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Gloucestershire CC 1———— Gosport 1———— Great Yarmouth 13227 Greater Manchester CC — — 2 1 — Greenwich —111— Hackney — — 1 1 2 HaltonUA ———— 1 Haringey — — 4 — — Harrow 1———— Hartlepool UA 1 1 — — — Hastings 5 — — 1 — Havering 4 1 — — — Herefordshire County District — 1——— council UA Hounslow ———— 1 Hyndburn — — — 2 — Ipswich — — 1 — — IsleofWightUA———— 1 Islington 1 1 1 — — Kent CC — — 3 — — King’s Lynn and West Norfolk 1 1 1 — — Kingston upon Hull (City and —— 1— 2 County of) UA Kirklees UA — 1 1 — 1 Lambeth ———— 4 Lancashire CC — 1 — — — Leeds UA —3821 Leicester City UA 1 3 — — 1 Lewisham 1 — 1 2 — Lichfield ———— 1 Liverpool UA 11241 Luton UA — 2 — — — Maidstone — 3 — — 1 Manchester UA 1 — — 5 7 Mansfield — 2 1 — — Merton — — 1 — — Mid Devon 1 — — 1 — Middlesbrough UA — — — 1 1 Mid Suffolk 1 1 — — — Newcastle-under-Lyme —111— Newcastle upon Tyne UA — 5 — — 3 Newham 153411 North East Derbyshire — — 1 1 — North East Lincolnshire UA — 1 5 — — North Hertfordshire — 1 — — — Northumberland 1———— Norwich 1 2 — — — Nottingham (City of) UA — — 1 2 3 Nuneaton and Bedworth — 1 1 — — Oldham UA — — 2 — 2 Oxford — — — 1 — Peak National Park ———— 1 Pendle — 2 — 4 1 Plymouth UA — — 1 — 1 Portsmouth UA ———— 1 Purbeck — — 1 — — Reading UA — 2 — — — Ribble Valley — 1 — 1 — Rochdale UA — 1 1 — — Rochford — 1 — 2 — Rossendale 1———— Rotherham UA — — 1 — 1 Rugby ———— 1 Runnymede 1——— 1 47W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 48W

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Rushmoor — 1 — 2 — SalfordUA 13222 Sandwell UA 11121 Sedgefield — 1 — 2 — SeftonUA 2——— 1 Sheffield UA — — 2 2 2 Shrewsbury and Atcham — — — 1 — Slough UA — 2 — — — Solihull UA — — 2 2 1 South Holland — 1 1 — — South Norfolk — 1 — — — South Northamptonshire 1 — — 1 1 Southampton UA — 2 — 2 1 Southwark 11112 St Edmundsbury — 1 — — — StHelensUA—2112 Stafford — 1 — — — Stockport UA — 1 1 — — Stockton-on-Tees UA — 1 4 — 1 Stoke-on-TrentUA21451 Stroud 1———— Sunderland UA 1 — 1 — — Sutton 1 1 1 — 1 Tameside UA — 1 — 3 4 Taunton Deane 2 — — 2 — Telford and the Wrekin District ———— 1 council UA Thanet 1 3 — 1 — Thurrock UA — — 1 — — Tower Hamlets —2211 TraffordUA—11—1 Tunbridge Wells — — — 1 1 Uttlesford 1———— WakefieldUA 1——— 1 WalthamForest———— 2 Wandsworth — — 1 1 1 Watford ———— 1 Waveney ———— 1 Wellingborough — — — 2 — Welwyn Hatfield ———— 1 West Berkshire District council UA — — 1 1 1 WiganUA —1—63 Windsor and Maidenhead UA — 2 — 1 — WirralUA —— 1—— Wolverhampton UA 22167 Worcester ———— 1 Wychavon ———— 1 Wyre Forest — — — 1 1

Co-operatives The Mutuals Taskforce has recently indicated it will play a co-ordinating role for Departments to support Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for the International Yearof Co-operatives, with Co-operatives Communities and Local Government what steps (a) UK leading the Taskforce’s work in this area. his Department and (b) those bodies for which his Department is responsible are taking to mark UN Year Council Tax: Non-Payment of the Co-operative 2012; and if he will make a statement. [88606] Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government if he will estimate Robert Neill: Departments will work closely with the number of people made bankrupt by local authorities Cabinet Office, the Mutuals Taskforce and with for non-payment of council tax in each of the last three Co-operatives UK to develop and take full advantage years; and if he will make a statement. [88525] of opportunities to celebrate the achievements of co-operative organisations during the United Nations Robert Neill: The information requested is not held International Year of Co-operatives. centrally. 49W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 50W

Debt Collection http://www.communities.gov.uk/corporate/foi/disclosure-log/ disclosurelog2011/jul2011/expenditureoncatering/ Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.communities.gov.uk/corporate/foi/disclosure-log/ Communities and Local Government how many times disclosurelog2011/november2011/expenditureoncatering/ his Department has used the services of debt recovery They give a breakdown on food expenditure, defined companies since May 2010; which companies were as hospitality, on a monthly basis, from April 2010 until used; and if he will make a statement. [88370] September 2011 (18 months). These replies also contain a link to the response to a parliamentary question Robert Neill: The Department for Communities and giving hospitality expenditure for 2009-10. Local Government has not used any debt recovery Departmental Responsibilities companies since May 2010. Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Departmental Apprentices Communities and Local Government what steps his Department is taking to ensure social value is included Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for when services are commissioned by (a) his Department Communities and Local Government (1) how many and (b) its public bodies; and if he will make a statement. apprentices were employed by each public body for [85652] which his Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 and March 2011 and (b) April and December Robert Neill: The Best Value guidance for local 2011; and how many apprenticeships he expects each authorities, which includes social value, can be found at: public body to sponsor between (i) January and March http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/localgovernment/ 2012 and (ii) April 2012 and March 2013; [88741] pdf/1976926.pdf (2) how much funding from the public purse has been In his foreword, the Secretary of State for Communities allocated to sponsor apprenticeships in each of the and Local Government, my right hon. Friend the Member public bodies for which his Department is responsible for Brentwood and Ongar (Mr Pickles), said between (a) April 2010 and March 2011, (b) April “I am not asking councils to do anything that I wouldn’t ask of 2011 and March 2012 and (c) April 2012 and March my Department or any other. That is why, reaffirming our 2013. [88742] commitments under the Compact, all central government departments are also signing up to the same fair standards set out in the Robert Neill: Information about the appointment of guidance.” sponsored apprenticeships is not recorded centrally. Departmental Written Questions Departmental Catering Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government how many Huw Irranca-Davies: To ask the Secretary of State parliamentary questions for written answer on a named for Communities and Local Government how much his day by his Department were answered (a) on time, (b) Department spent on food purchased through its food five days late, (c) 10 days late, (d) 20 days late and (e) and catering services in the last 12 months for which over 30 days late in each month since May 2010. figures are available. [86995] [79586]

Robert Neill: I refer the hon. Member to these entries Robert Neill: The information requested, based on on my Department’s freedom of information disclosure the month in which parliamentary questions were tabled, log which can be found at: is as follows:

Answered within: Number of named day questions Answered on time 1 to 5 days1 6 to 10 days1 11 to 20 days1 21 to 30 days1 Over 30 days1

May 2010 17 16 1 — — — — June 2010 91 77 12 1 1 — — July 2010 122 109 11 1 1 — — September 2010 33 27 5 — 1 — — October 2010 86 76 8 1 1 — — November 2010 70 62 7 1 — — — December 2010 61 50 8 — 2 — 1 January 2011 43 35 6 2 — — — February 2011 66 56 8 1 1 — — March 2011 71 50 18 — 2 1 — April 2011 24 18 4 1 1 — — May 2011 48 38 6 2 2 — — June 2011 71 56 5 4 3 2 1 July 2011 55 40 14 1 — — — August 2011 7 7 — — — — — September 2011 24 14 7 3 — — — October 2011 60 40 17 3 — — — 1 Sitting days including non-sitting Fridays. 51W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 52W

The Government have committed to providing the I also refer the hon. Member to my Department’s Procedure Committee with information relating to written press notice of 5 October 2011, a copy of which is in the parliamentary question performance on a sessional basis Library of the House, which outlines the Government’s and will provide full information to the Committee at plans to release disused public sector land and buildings the end of the Session. Statistics relating to Government to help build new homes, and outlines the new Community Department’s performance for the 2009-10 Parliamentary Right to Reclaim Land to help get disused public land Session were previously provided to the Committee and back into use. are available on the Parliament website. Government Procurement Card Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government how many and Mr Marcus Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for what proportion of questions for ordinary written Communities and Local Government pursuant to the answer received a substantive response within (a) 10, answer of 7 September 2011, Official Report, column (b) 20, (c) 30 and (d) more than 30 sitting days in the 647W, on the Government Procurement Card, which of the listed transactions for withdrawing cash were made 2010-12 Session to date. [85926] by cards held by a member of a Ministerial private Robert Neill: 78 of the 3,005 ordinary written questions office; and what the name of each such Minister was. (around 2.5% of the total) tabled to the Department [81662] between the 2010 general election and 31 October 2011 Robert Neill: The following cash withdrawals were were not answered within 10 sitting days (including made by the Department’s private offices from April non-sitting Fridays) of the due date for answer. It would 2006 to March 2010: involve disproportionate cost to provide the further breakdown requested. £ The Government have committed to providing the Procedure Committee with information relating to written 24 April 2006 235.10 parliamentary question performance on a sessional basis 8 September 20061 351.42 and will provide full information to the committee at 8 September 20061 -351.42 the end of the Session. Statistics relating to Government 8 September 2006 402.64 Department’s performance for the 2009-10 parliamentary 4 November 2008 190.68 Session were previously provided to the committee and 9 December 2008 49.64 are available on the Parliament website. 1 The transaction for £351.42 on 8 September 2006 was cancelled and immediately reimbursed. Empty Property Records of private office transactions are not held in a form which allows them to be readily ascribed to Shabana Mahmood: To ask the Secretary of State for individual Ministers’ offices. Communities and Local Government what discussions Oliver Colvile: To ask the Secretary of State for he has had with local authorities regarding the use of Communities and Local Government pursuant to the empty public buildings prior to decisions to build new answer to the hon. Member for Great Yarmouth, of 3 property being made. [76559] November 2011, Official Report, column 782W, on the Government Procurement Card, which of the Robert Neill: We have had no discussions with local transactions under the heading of (a) restaurants and authorities about the use of empty public buildings bars and (b) leisure activities in the Government prior to decisions to build new property being made. Procurement Card transaction data for (i) 2008-09 and In July 2011, we published a draft new National (ii) 2009-10, were made using card held by the private Planning Policy Framework. This states that planning office of (A) each Minister in his Department and (B) policies and decisions should enable the reuse of existing the permanent secretary; and what the name is of the resources such as through the conversion of existing associated Minister or permanent secretary in each buildings. The 12-week consultation period on the draft case. [81675] framework closed on 17 October. We will now carefully consider all of the submissions that have been made Robert Neill: I refer my hon. Friend to the answer and then publish the revised text. given to my hon. Friend the Member for Burton (Andrew Additionally we have been working with 11 pathfinders Griffiths) on 20 July 2011, Official Report, columns across the country to ensure better use of public sector 1102-1106W. assets. The following transactions were made under the heading http://www.communities.gov.uk/localgovernment/ of ’restaurants and bars’ and ’leisure activities’ using a decentralisation/capitalassets/ card held by the permanent secretary in 2008-09:

Transaction Cardholder Transaction date Merchant Town Spend category amount (£)

Sir Peter Housden, former 14 October 2008 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 19.13 permanent secretary 27 November 2008 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 29.25 9 December 2008 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 29.25 9 January 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 23.63 53W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 54W

Transaction Cardholder Transaction date Merchant Town Spend category amount (£)

15 January 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 67.50 6 February 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 30.38 6 February 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 52.31 10 February 2009 Refreshment Dpt Micros London Sw1p Restaurants and Bars 49.60 10 February 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 24.19 3 March 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 23.06 6 March 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 20.25 10 March 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 18.00 24 March 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 18.56

The following transactions were made under the heading of ‘restaurants and bars’ and ‘leisure activities’ using a card held by the permanent secretary’s private office in 2008-09:

Transaction Cardholder Transaction date Merchant Town Spend category amount (£)

Private office 24 October 2008 Brasserie Forty 4 Leeds Restaurants and Bars 200.00 Private office 13 March 2009 The Portland Spa Ltd Portland Leisure Activities 155.32

The following transactions were made under the heading of ’restaurants and bars’ and ’leisure activities’ using a card held by the permanent secretary in 2009-10:

Transaction Cardholder Transaction date Merchant Town Spend category amount (£)

Sir Peter Housden, former 28 April 2009 Shepherd’s London, Sw1p Restaurants and Bars 78.19 private secretary 28 April 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 33.19 1 December 2009 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 24.19 6 January 2010 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 63.00 26 March 2010 The Cinnamon Club London Restaurants and Bars 24.19

The following transactions were made under the heading of ’restaurants and bars’ and ’leisure activities’ using a card held by the permanent secretary’s private office in 2009-10:

Transaction Cardholder Transaction date Merchant Town Spend category amount (£)

Private office 22 June 2009 Leiths At The Cent London Sw1p Restaurants and Bars 90.16

The Government Procurement Card spend categories than under the last Administration, and has strengthened depend on how the vendor classifies their business. The the checks and balances to ensure protection of taxpayers single transaction listed under ’leisure activities’ relates money. to hotel accommodation. Records are not held in the names of individual Charlie Elphicke: To ask the Secretary of State for Ministers or permanent secretaries, other than the specific Communities and Local Government pursuant to the transactions listed above in the name of the then permanent answer of 10 October 2011, Official Report, column secretary. It would involve disproportionate cost to 13W, on the Government Procurement Card, which provide the information requested in this form. Ministers received hospitality funded from the public purse in each case. [82149] My Department is committed to greater transparency over the use of the Government Procurement Card Robert Neill: For the events held at the Wolseley on 2 December 2008 and 5 June 2009, and the Boisdale on 55W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 56W

3 April 2008, I refer my hon. Friend to my answer of New Homes Bonus ensures that the benefits of growth 24 October 2011, Official Report, column 62W. are reaped by the communities where housing stock has The event held at the SHH Yong An Xianqiangfang increased. Local authorities and their communities are in Shanghai on 4 November 2008 was attended by the free to spend New Homes Bonus revenues according to hon. Member for Hartlepool (Mr Wright). I am informed local wishes. that it was a roundtable organised by the British consulate Housing: Greater London in Shanghai, as part of the World Urban Forum. The hon. Member for Hartlepool (Mr Wright) visit Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for to China is recorded on the Cabinet Office website for Communities and Local Government how many new overseas visits made by all Ministers in 2008-09, available dwellings for (a) shared ownership, (b) owner-occupation, at: (c) council tenancy and (d) housing association tenancy http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ he estimates will be completed in each London borough and in (i) 2011-12 and (ii) 2012-13. [88383] http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/226022/travel_ 2008_2009.pdf Andrew Stunell: The Department does not forecast No Ministers attended the other events. levels of future house building, and delivery will be determined by local housing plans. High Street Review: Parking London has been allocated 27% of the 80,000 new affordable homes through the new Affordable Homes Oliver Heald: To ask the Secretary of State for Programme. In addition to existing commitments, these Communities and Local Government with reference to will be delivered over the years 2011-15. the Portas Review, if he will ask local authorities to Details about homes to be delivered and funded review their parking strategies. [87869] through the Affordable Homes Programme by local authority area are not yet available. Grant Shapps: I refer my hon. Friend to the answer given by my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Under-Secretary Housing: Sales of State for Communities and Local Government (Bob Neill), to the hon. Member for Westminster North (Ms Hilary Benn: To ask the Secretary of State for Buck), of 7 December 2011, Official Report, columns Communities and Local Government what estimate he 342-43W. has made of the proportion of houses bought in The Government expect to respond to the Portas England by people resident outside the UK in the last Review in the spring. year for which figures are available. [88512]

Housing Benefit: Greater London Andrew Stunell: Other than the figures given to the right hon. Member in response to his question of Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for 6 December 2011, Official Report, columns 243-46W, Communities and Local Government what research his the Department does not hold any data on houses Department is undertaking on the effects of changes in bought in England by people resident outside of the housing benefit rules in London; and how many people UK. he estimates have (a) moved and (b) been made homeless as a result of those changes. [88551] Japan Tobacco

Grant Shapps: The Department for Work and Pensions Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities (DWP) has commissioned an independent consortium and Local Government whether any (a) Ministers and of academics and research organisations to evaluate the (b) special advisers in his Department have received effects of the recent local housing allowance changes. hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May The Department for Communities and Local Government, 2010. [87608] along with the Scottish Government and Welsh Assembly Government, is working in close partnership with DWP Robert Neill: Information about hospitality received on this and is contributing to the costs of the research. by Ministers and special advisers is published quarterly by Departments. Information for the period 13 May Housing: Berkshire 2010 to 30 June 2011 can be accessed on departmental websites. Information for 1 July onwards will be published Alok Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for in due course. Communities and Local Government what assessment he has made of the effects of the introduction of the Local Government Association: Finance New Homes Bonus in (a) Berkshire, (b) Reading and (c) Reading West constituency. [87238] Hilary Benn: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government what funding his Grant Shapps: On 1 December we announced provisional Department provides to the Local Government New Homes Bonus allocations for 2012-13. The Bonus Association; and for what purposes. [86986] is based on the number of additional homes and those brought back into use, with a premium for affordable Robert Neill: The Local Government Association is homes. Reading Unitary Authority and West Berkshire provided with improvement support funding of Unitary Authority will receive £1,242,883 and £921,033 £116.75 million from the revenue support grant top-slice. respectively. The funding is used to support improvement which 57W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 58W includes themes such as: tackling underperformance; Grant Shapps: The Government will respond to the identifying productivity gains; transforming the way Portas review in the spring. That notwithstanding, I services and the work force are organised; supporting would note that the power to provide discounts is not councils to create strong local economies; improving yet available to local authorities. It will be from 1 April councillors’ skills; and, reviewing and challenging 2012. From that point authorities will be able to grant performance. business rates discounts entirely as they see fit within DCLG has also provided £1 million to enable the the limits of the primary legislation and European rules Local Government Association to perform its role as on state aid. selector for Sustainable Communities Act cases. Business rates in Wales is a devolved matter. The allocations for each year are set out in the following table. Non-Domestic Rates: Retail Trade

£ million Toby Perkins: To ask the Secretary of State for Budget 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 Total Communities and Local Government what proportion of business rates revenue was paid by companies in the Revenue 32.5 29.25 27.5 27.5 116.75 retail sector in each of the last five years. [87934] Support Grant top-slice Sustainable 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.25 1.0 Robert Neill: This information is not held centrally. Communities Act Parking: Fees and Charges

The grant is for use on behalf of the local government Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for sector as a whole, not just Local Government Association Communities and Local Government if he will give members. consideration to publishing a parking league table giving comparative information on the parking charges Local Government Ombudsman imposed by local authorities. [88028]

Nicky Morgan: To ask the Secretary of State for Grant Shapps: The Government expect to respond to Communities and Local Government what plans he has the Portas Review in the spring. to extend the remit of the Local Government Ombudsman Parking: Urban Areas to cover (a) parish and (b) town councils. [87879]

Robert Neill: As I informed the House in my response Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for Communities and Local Government what assessment Winchester (Steve Brine) on 20 June 2011, Official he has made of the effect of the imposition of car Report, column 54W, we are open to representations on parking charges in town centre locations on the this matter, in particular in the context of our current commercial viability of high streets. [88096] consideration of a new and different role for ombudsmen with a focus on consumer choice as proposed in the Robert Neill: I refer the hon. Member to the answer Open Public Services White Paper. of 7 December 2011, Official Report, columns 342-43W, which outlines my Department’s stance on the issue of car parking charges and supporting local high streets. Non-Domestic Rates The Government will also be responding in spring 2012 to the Mary Portas review, which made a number Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for of policy recommendations on this topic. Communities and Local Government what steps he is taking to encourage local authorities to use the income Planning Permission from business rates to provide better support for small businesses and independent retailers. [88029] Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government if he Grant Shapps: The Government will respond to the will list the local planning authorities that have made Portas review in the spring. That notwithstanding, I submissions to his Department’s consultation on the would note that the Government’s proposals to allow draft National Planning Policy Framework. [87672] the local retention of business rates from April 2013 will provide further incentives for local authorities to work Greg Clark: I refer the hon. Member to the answer I with local businesses to help create a positive climate to gave her on 1 December 2011, Official Report, column enable local growth. The Government have also doubled 1029W. small business rate relief for two and half years, which will include the whole of the 2012-13 financial year. Planning Permission: Rural Areas Business rates in Wales is a devolved matter. Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for State for Communities and Local Government what Communities and Local Government what assessment assessment his Department has made of whether there he has made of the use made by local authorities of should be a separate definition of the sustainability of their discretionary powers to give rate concessions to development in rural areas in the National Planning new local businesses. [88030] Policy Framework. [87671] 59W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 60W

Greg Clark: Policies in the draft National Planning Retail Trade: Empty Property Policy Framework were developed taking into account both rural and urban areas. Before finalising the document Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for we will also take into account the issues raised as a Communities and Local Government (1) what his policy result of the consultation exercise. is on tackling empty shops; and if he will consider introducing empty shop management orders; [88031] Planning: Property (2) what consideration he has given to imposing a duty on local authorities to produce a public register of Joan Ruddock: To ask the Secretary of State for high street landlords; [88032] Communities and Local Government when he (3) what his policy is on the recommendation by the proposes that the formal consultation on the review of Portas review that empty shop management orders be the Use Classes Order will begin. [88530] introduced; [88033] (4) what steps his Department has taken to discourage Robert Neill: We are considering the thoughts and landlords from leaving shopping units vacant; [88034] ideas received in response to our Issues Paper on how change of use should be handled in the planning system. (5) what assessment he has made of the contribution Its purpose was to stimulate debate and was part of a of a clean urban environment to the commercial wider call for evidence on this subject which also included viability of high streets. [88101] discussions with key partners and other Government Departments. We are now reflecting on the issues on Grant Shapps: The Government commissioned Mary which we may wish to consult in the future. Portas to do an independent review of the future of the high street. She has identified many issues for Government, Planning: Urban Areas business and local authorities to consider. These include empty shop management orders, the introduction of a public register of high street landlords, disincentives to Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for prevent landlords from leaving shop units vacant, and Communities and Local Government if he will ensure the contribution a clean urban environment can make that the revised National Planning Policy framework to the commercial viability of high streets. will contain a presumption in favour of town centre The Government will consider these and other development. [88027] recommendations of the review carefully and respond in detail in spring 2012. Greg Clark: We remain committed to the town centre first approach set out in current policy, which we have included in the draft National Planning Policy Framework. Right to Buy Scheme Local authorities should recognise town centres as the heart of their communities and the draft Framework Patrick Mercer: To ask the Secretary of State for makes clear that they should pursue policies to support Communities and Local Government whether he plans their viability and vitality. The consultation on the draft to introduce an exception from the right to buy scheme Framework has closed now and we are considering all in cases where it is demonstrable that (a) sales would the responses. create a negative net present value in the Housing Revenue Account Business Plan and (b) the units are Renewable Energy required to meet housing need within the locality. [87706] Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of Grant Shapps: We have announced our intention to State for Communities and Local Government what reinvigorate the right to buy scheme by significantly assessment his Department has made of the likely impact increasing discounts. upon neighbourhood plans of the Government’s commitment to ensure that renewable sources will generate In our consultation paper ″Reinvigorating Right to 15 per cent. of the UK’s energy by 2020. [87670] Buy and one for one replacement″ published on 22 December 2011, we propose that the council may deduct, Greg Clark: The Localism Act gives communities from its right to buy receipts, an amount sufficient to new powers to plan for the future of their areas through cover the housing debt supportable from the income on neighbourhood planning. These are powerful new additional right to buy sales. The aim is that the Housing opportunities for communities to shape the development Revenue Account receives a capital receipt equivalent of their local areas. to the amount of debt that the property could support under the self-financing methodology. This is to ensure It is for communities to decide whether they wish to the continued viability of the council’s landlord business use neighbourhood development plans or orders to by compensating for the lost value of the property. deliver energy from renewable sources, provided the plans or orders meet the basic conditions set out in the Our proposals for calculating the amount of housing Localism Act. debt that should be cleared are set out in Annex C of the consultation paper. Our proposals strike the right balance by ensuring that neighbourhood planning proposals are in general Every additional home sold under right to buy will be conformity with strategic planning policies, while giving replaced with a new home for affordable rent. communities the flexibility to determine those issues We have no plans to extend the range of exemptions that are rightly dealt with at community level. from the right to buy. 61W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 62W

Mr Blunkett: To ask the Secretary of State for chargeable passengers and the revenue declared are Communities and Local Government pursuant to the published on a monthly basis on HMRCs UK Trade answer of 12 December 2011, Official Report, column 486W, Info website at: on right-to-buy scheme, from which budget he proposes www.uktradeinfo.com/index.cfm?task=bulletins funding will be made available to meet the difference between the income raised from the 50 per cent. discounted Banks: China sale of social housing and the cost of the land and construction of a one for one replacement dwelling. Mr Spellar: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer [87856] with reference to the answer of 10 January 2006, Official Report, column 524W, on banking system Grant Shapps: The receipts only have to meet part of (China), if he will provide an updated assessment of the cost of a replacement property. Social landlords the stability of the banking system in China. [87948] generally meet the costs of new homes from borrowing against the future rental income from letting the home, Mr Hoban: HM Treasury continually monitors the a contribution from their own resources, including land, stability of financial systems around the world and and grant funding from the Government. In the Right their effects on the UK economy. The outlook for UK to Buy replacement scheme, receipts from sales will economy was set out in the autumn statement. On 14 substitute for grant funding. November 2011, the IMF published the findings from its first detailed assessment of China’s financial sector, Right to Buy Scheme: Reading (Berkshire) as part of its Financial Sector Assessment programme (carried out every five years on systemically important Alok Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for financial systems). It concluded that “China has made Communities and Local Government how many remarkable progress in its transition toward a more homes in Reading were sold under the right to buy commercially-orientated and financially-sound scheme in each of the last 20 years. [87313] system”, while highlighting the key short-term risks facing the sector and the build-up of longer-term Grant Shapps: The number of sales of local authority vulnerabilities. Full details can be found here: stock under the Right to Buy scheme in each year are http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/cat/longres.cfm?sk=25350.0 given in live table 648 on the Department’s website at: As part of the UK-China Economic and Financial http://www.communities.gov.uk/housing/housingresearch/ Dialogue (EFD), we have significantly increased our housingstatistics/housingstatisticsby/socialhousingsales/ technical and policy collaboration with China on livetables/ financial sector reform issues, as highlighted in Housing associations may also sell their stock through paragraphs 4 to 15 of the policy outcomes paper from Preserved Right to Buy where the tenant is eligible the 2011 EFD: under this scheme. Data on Preserved Right to Buy is http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/int_ukchina_pop.htm collected by the Tenant Services Authority in their Regulatory and Statistical Return but this does not Britain Building Investment Fund separately identify Preserved Right to Buy sales at local authority level. Ed Balls: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what he has made of (a) the level of take-up and (b) Temporary Accommodation the effectiveness of the Get Britain Building investment fund. [87640] Ms Buck: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government what the median Danny Alexander [holding answer 20 December cost was of providing temporary accommodation to 2011]: The Government published a prospectus for the homeless households in each bedroom size unit, in each Get Britain Building fund on 22 December. region, in each of the last five years. [87683] Expressions of interest are requested by 27 January 2012. Our analysis suggests there are 133,000 stalled Grant Shapps [holding answer 20 December 2011]: sites in England, of which, 90,000 units have not The Department does not collect the requested information. started and are classified as on hold or shelved.

Business: Loans

TREASURY Rachel Reeves: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer how he plans to monitor whether the Air Passenger Duty cheaper funding received by the banks under the National Loan Guarantee Scheme is passed through to Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Chancellor of the smaller businesses. [87799] Exchequer how much airport passenger tax was collected at each airport in each of the last three years. Mr Hoban: The Government will put in place [88174] rigorous monitoring and audit processes to ensure that banks pass on the benefit of cheaper funding to smaller Miss Chloe Smith: HM Revenue and Customs businesses. (HMRC) does not collect information on air passenger duty (APD) revenues by each airport in the UK. For Rachel Reeves: To ask the Chancellor of the each destination band under APD, the numbers of Exchequer when he expects that businesses will start to 63W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 64W receive investment through his Business Finance Miss Chloe Smith: The legislative timetable for Partnership. [87800] implementation of proposed changes for higher rate taxpayer households in receipt of child benefit will be Mr Hoban: I refer the hon. Member to the answer announced in due course. given on 19 December 2011, Official Report, column 976W. Combined Heat and Power: Feed-in Tariffs The Government intend to commit their first funding through the Business Finance Partnership in Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Chancellor of the spring 2012, but the month in which the first loans will Exchequer what discussions (a) he and (b) his officials be made to businesses by these funds will depend upon have had with the Department for Energy and Climate the length of time taken for fund managers to confirm Change on support for micro combined heat and private sector co-investment, and to identify suitable power through the feed-in tariff. [83666] lending opportunities. Miss Chloe Smith: Treasury Ministers and officials Rachel Reeves: To ask the Chancellor of the meet with a wide range of other Ministers and officials Exchequer when he expects that businesses will start to from other Government Departments as part of the receive loans supported by his National Loan usual policy making process. As was the case with Guarantee Scheme. [87801] previous Administrations, it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of all such meetings. Mr Hoban: The National Loan Guarantee Scheme is expected to be up and running early this year. Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will meet representatives of the heating Rachel Reeves: To ask the Chancellor of the and hot water industries to discuss micro combined Exchequer what estimate he has made of the (a) net heat and power and the feed-in tariff. [83667] and (b) gross change in bank lending to (i) all businesses and (ii) small and medium-sized enterprises Miss Chloe Smith: Treasury Ministers receive arising from his credit easing policy in each month of numerous requests to meet with representatives from 2012. [87802] industry and consider them on a case-by-case basis. The Department of Energy and Climate Change is the Mr Hoban: The National Loan Guarantee Scheme Government Department responsible for the Feed-in will improve the flow of credit to smaller businesses by Tariff programme. reducing the cost of borrowing. The Business Finance Company Liquidations Partnership is initially expected to make at least £2 billion of finance available for mid-sized businesses. Andrea Leadsom: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps he is taking to ensure that HM Carbon Sequestration: Finance Revenue and Customs has the flexibility to delay demands for payment to prevent businesses going into Rachel Reeves: To ask the Chancellor of the liquidation. [88689] Exchequer what the status is of the £1 billion allocated for the carbon capture and storage programme in Mr Gauke: HMRC is committed to adopting a 2016-17; and if he will make a statement. [87962] sympathetic approach to businesses that have genuine short term difficulties in paying the tax they owe. Miss Chloe Smith: The Government remain HMRC does not take winding up action lightly and if committed to making £1 billion available for carbon there is a prospect of imminent payment HMRC will capture and storage (CCS). The Department of Energy work closely with the customer to facilitate payment to and Climate Change is in the process of designing a the Exchequer. This process is made easier if taxpayers competition for a CCS programme; the outcome of experiencing temporary difficulties in meeting their tax this will determine the allocation of that budget. obligations contact HMRC early. Debit Cards: Fees and Charges Charitable Trusts Graeme Morrice: To ask the Chancellor of the Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer Exchequer when he plans to publish the Government’s what plans he has to amend the use of the fit and response to the Office of Fair Trading’s proper persons test for charity trustees used by HM recommendations on debit card surcharges; and if he Revenue and Customs. [88443] will make a statement. [87452]

Miss Chloe Smith: There are no plans to amend the Mr Hoban: The Government announced on 23 fit and proper persons test for charity trustees. December 2011 that they will take action to tackle excessive card surcharges that are opaque, misleading Child Benefit and prevent consumers getting a good deal. The Government will consult on draft legislation in early Chris Leslie: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer 2012. when he plans to publish draft legislation to implement I have written to the director general of the Office of his proposed changes for higher rate taxpayer Fair Trading setting out the details. A copy of my letter households in receipt of child benefit. [88566] has been deposited in the Library of the House. 65W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 66W

Debt Collection Excise Duties: Fuels

Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Chancellor of the how many times his Department has used the services Exchequer what discussions he has had on the of debt recovery companies since May 2010; which introduction of a fuel duty rebate in rural areas of companies were used; and if he will make a statement. Wales. [88019] [88362] Danny Alexander: Treasury Ministers routinely Miss Chloe Smith: Since May 2010 the Treasury has discuss a range of issues with colleagues and not used the services of any debt recovery companies. stakeholders. I refer the hon. Member to the answer the Economic Secretary to the Treasury, the hon. Member Departmental Redundancy Pay for Norwich North (Miss Smith) gave to the hon. Member for Skipton and Ripon (Julian Smith) on 5 December 2011, Official Report, column 69W. Jon Trickett: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much redundancy pay was paid to civil servants in his Department in each month between September and Excise Duties: Tobacco November 2011. [87991] Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Chancellor of the Miss Chloe Smith: The Treasury did not incur any Exchequer what steps he has taken to tackle the illicit spending on compulsory redundancies during the trade in non-UK duty paid cigarettes. [87751] period in question. However, the Treasury is in the process of managing a small number of voluntary exits Miss Chloe Smith: The Government are committed from the organisation in line with the Civil Service to tackling the illicit trade in non-UK duty paid Compensation scheme. cigarettes and in April 2011 published a comprehensive Spending was incurred on voluntary exits amounting new strategy for HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to £198,000 during the period comprising £24,000 in and the UK Border Agency (UKBA): “Tackling September, £101,000 in October and £73,000 in Tobacco Smuggling—building on our success”. It is November. available online at: www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/tackling-tobacco.htm Departmental Risk Assessment This is a risk-based, intelligence-led strategy which is applied across the UK, including in Leicestershire and Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer the east midlands. Domestically, HMRC works in what risk registers are held by the public bodies for collaboration with other enforcement agencies to which his Department is responsible; and if he will maximise impact using the full range of powers and make a statement. [85712] sanctions available, and to develop and apply joined-up approaches to localised problems of illicit activity. Miss Chloe Smith: In line with good planning and risk management, UK Financial Investments Ltd and Housing Revenue Accounts: Wales the Office for Budget Responsibility maintain risk registers. Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations he has received from Departmental Temporary Employment the Welsh Government on retaining within Wales the monies accrued under the Housing Revenue Account Jon Trickett: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer Subsidy Scheme since May 2011. [88021] how many temporary staff have been recruited to his Department between September and November 2011. Danny Alexander: Treasury and Welsh Government [87992] Ministers meet from time to time to discuss matters of common interest including the Housing Revenue Miss Chloe Smith: HM Treasury recruited 13 Account Subsidy Scheme. temporary staff (five fixed term appointments; eight agency staff) between 1 September and 30 November Income Tax 2011. Mr Laws: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer Devolution: Finance what estimate he has made of the average personal income tax (a) burden and (b) rate on the top (i) 1 per Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Chancellor of the cent. and (ii) 10 per cent. of income earners in each Exchequer what Barnett consequential funding will be year between 1985 and 2010; and if he will make a made available to each devolved Administration as a statement. [86445] result of the allocation of funding to assist troubled families. [88173] Mr Gauke: Estimates of total income tax liabilities, total income assessable for tax and so average rates of Danny Alexander: This measure is being funded from tax for the top 1% and 10% of taxpayers by total within existing resources. There are consequently no income in the period 1999-2000 to 2010-11 are additional Barnett consequentials. provided in the following table. 67W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 68W

Table 1. Income tax liabilities and average tax rate for top 10% and Estimates prior to 1999-2000 and further analyses of top 1% of taxpayers, 1999-2000 to 2010-11 taxpayers, taxpayer incomes and tax liabilities in this Top 10% Top 1% period are available in “Inland Revenue Statistics, 1992 Taxpayers Income Total Average Income Total Average and 2000”. tax income rate tax income rate (£ (£(percentage) (£ (£(percentage) Income Tax: Overpayments billion) billion) billion) billion)

1999-2000 46.8 175.6 26.7 19.9 58.5 34.0 Mr Burley: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer 2000-01 54.3 200.2 27.1 23.5 68.3 34.3 on how many occasions HM Revenue and Customs has 2001-02 55.5 204.2 27.2 23.3 68.1 34.1 received overpayments of income tax paid by PAYE in 2002-03 56.0 206.3 27,2 22.8 67.3 33.9 each of the last five years. [87631] 2003-04 56.3 208.1 27.1 23.0 68.7 33.6 2004-05 63.2 231.9 27.2 26.4 77.9 33.9 Mr Gauke: The information requested is unavailable. 2005-06 73.0 263.5 27.7 31.4 92.5 33.9 However, HMRC publishes all details of any income 2006-07 80.0 287.5 27.8 35.1 104.2 33.7 tax overpayments (including those collected via PAYE) 2007-06 88.4 313.4 28.2 39.6 116.6 34.0 in its annual accounts. Details are found at: 2008-09 85.5 309.1 27.7 39.0 115.2 33.8 www.hmrc.gov.uk 2009-10 81.8 301.9 27.1 37.7 111.7 33.8 Inland Revenue: Gifts and Endowments 2010-11 89.5 305.3 29.3 42.7 108.7 39.3 Mr Gray: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer These estimates are based on successive Survey of from what date Inland Revenue required its employees Personal Incomes (SPI) datasets up to 2007-08. to register all hospitality and gifts received. [87475] Estimates for 2008-09 onwards are based on the 2007-08 SPI projected using OBR’s Budget 2011 Mr Gauke: The requirement for staff to make entries economic and fiscal assumptions. in a hospitality and gifts register has existed in the Inland Revenue, and subsequently in the merged These estimates are consistent with statistics Department of HM Revenue and Customs, for a published in Table 2.4 shares of total income tax period in excess of 10 years. The original date of liability: introduction is unknown. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/ Non-domestic Rates: Appeals menu.htm#liabilities Published estimates of shares of total income tax Mr Umunna: To ask the Chancellor of the liabilities for the top 1% and 10% of taxpayers by total Exchequer how many business rates appeals have been income in the period 1990-91 to 2010-11 are provided (a) received and (b) cleared by the Valuation Office in the following table. Corresponding estimates of total Agency in each (i) region and (ii) local authority in income and average rates of tax for these groups prior each month in 2010-11. [87851] to 1999-2000 were not published and are not available. Mr Gauke: The number of proposals (a) received Table 2. Shares of total income tax liability and (b) cleared by the Valuation Office Agency in each Share of total income tax (i) region and (ii) administrative area in each month for Taxpayers Top 10% Top 1% Total income 2010-2011 financial year are shown in two sets of four tax (£ billion) tables placed in the Library. 1986-87 39.0 14.0 42.8 Personal Savings 1990-91 42.0 15.0 60.2 1991-92 43.0 16.0 63.3 1992-93 44.0 16.0 60.7 Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Chancellor of the 1993-94 44.0 16.0 61.4 Exchequer what estimate he has made of the rate of 1994-95 45.0 17.0 66.3 growth in the amount of savings held by UK nationals [88787] 1995-96 45.0 17.0 72.0 in each financial year since 2007-08. 1996-97 48,0 20.0 73.7 Mr Hoban: The Wealth and Assets Survey provides 1997-98 48.0 20.0 79.5 an estimate of aggregate financial household wealth, 1998-99 49.0 21.0 88.0 including savings, surveyed in the period 2006-08. 1999-2000 50.3 21.3 93.2 2000-01 51.4 22.2 105.5 The report can be found here: 2001-02 51.9 21.8 107.0 http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/was/wealth-in-great-britain/ 2002-03 51.5 21.0 108.8 main-results-from-the-wealth-and-assets-survey-2006-2008/ index.html 2003-04 50.9 20.8 110.6 2004-05 51.4 21.4 123.0 The next release of this data, based on the period 2005-06 52.9 22.7 138.1 2008-10, is due this year and will provide an estimate of the change in aggregate financial wealth between 2006-07 53.5 23.5 149.5 2006-08 and 2008-10. 2007-08 54.3 24.4 162.7 2008-09 54.6 24.9 156.7 The Family Resources Survey collects data annually, 2009-10 54.3 25.0 150.6 and provides data regarding the savings and 2010-11 55.6 26.6 160.9 investments of households in each year since 1998. This resource can be used to estimate how the value 69W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 70W and distribution of household savings has changed therefore difficult to provide an indication, at this stage, over time. These releases can be found here: as to the worth of each contract. http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/frs/ Graeme Morrice: To ask the Chancellor of the Public Expenditure: Housing Exchequer to what taxpayer information staff employed by the private companies who have been Ms Ritchie: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer awarded the contracts in the HM Revenue and what the Barnett consequentials for the Housing Plan Customs contact centres at Bathgate and Lillyhall will for England are. [82710] have access; and what steps his Department has taken to ensure that data security procedures are adhered to. Danny Alexander: The Barnett consequentials [87382] arising from the housing package are set out in the following table: Mr Gauke: Advisers handling customer calls to HMRC helplines will normally have access to a range £ million of information held by HMRC. This information is 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 needed to handle the customer’s reason for calling and to complete any necessary follow up action. Scotland 26.0 17.6 -1.4 The integrity and confidentiality of customer Wales 15.0 10.1 -0.8 information is, as ever, an absolute priority. HMRC will Northern 8.7 5.9 -0.5 do nothing that compromises the Department’s data Ireland security standards. Public Sector: Pensions The third party suppliers will be acting on behalf of HMRC and will be bound by exactly the same legal obligations. They will also be subject to the same Mr Raab: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer penalties and sanctions regarding unlawful disclosure pursuant to the answer of 9 November 2011, Official as HMRC and its directly employed staff. Additionally, Report, column 340W, on public sector: pensions, HMRC will also, as it does for all third party suppliers, whether it is possible to quantify in cash terms the include strict and robust data protection requirements additional cost to the public purse arising from the within the contract. Staff recruited for this work will be increase in accrual rates for public sector pensions subject to the same checks as are carried out in respect announced on 2 November 2011. [81720] of staff recruited to HMRC. Danny Alexander [holding answer 23 November 2011]: Reforms to public service pensions will save the Revenue and Customs: Redundancy Pay taxpayer tens of billions of pounds over the next few decades and significantly improve the long-term fiscal Stephen Barclay: To ask the Chancellor of the sustainability of this country. The Office for Budget Exchequer how many special severance payments HM Responsibility will provide a forecast of the savings in Revenue and Customs has made in each of the last its next Fiscal Sustainability Report. three years; and what estimate he has made of the monetary value of such payments for each of those Jessica Morden: To ask the Chancellor of the years. [88190] Exchequer what the average public sector pension is in Wales. [84299] Mr Gauke: HMRC has made no special severance payments during the last three years. Anyone who has Danny Alexander [holding answer 1 December 2011]: left HMRC with a severance package during the last The Independent Public Service Pensions Commission three years has done so under the terms of the Civil found that the median public service pension in Service Compensation Scheme (CSCS) as part of an payment to retired public servants is £5,600 a year, and exit scheme which has been approved by the Cabinet the mean £7,800 a year. More detailed information is Office. The severance package received by those available from the Departments responsible for the individuals has been in line with their entitlement individual schemes. under the CSCS.

Revenue and Customs: Contracts Stamp Duties

Graeme Morrice: To ask the Chancellor of the Chi Onwurah: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much each company awarded a Exchequer (1) what steps he is taking to reduce the contract for handling calls on tax credits in the HM legal avoidance of stamp duty on property sales Revenue and Customs contact centres in Bathgate and through company structures; [88329] Lillyhall will receive in payment. [87381] (2) what recent estimate his Department has made of Mr Gauke: The contracts with the third party the cost to the Exchequer of the legal avoidance of suppliers, which have yet to be signed, will run for a stamp duty on property sales through company maximum of 12 months. There are contract review structures; [88330] points at the six and nine month stages when a decision (3) what representations he has received from the will be made as to whether to continue to the next property sales industry on the legal avoidance of stamp break point in the contract. The value of each supplier duty on property sales through company structures. contract will depend on a number of variables. It is [88331] 71W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 72W

Miss Chloe Smith: Stamp duty applies to transfers of PAYE information with the Department for Work and stock and marketable securities via a stock transfer Pensions for the calculation of universal credit; and if form. he will make a statement. [88185] There is no liable person for stamp duty and no statutory compulsion to present a document for Mr Gauke: The legislative changes required to enable stamping. So it is not appropriate to refer to HM Revenue and Customs to share real time PAYE “avoidance” in this context. information with the Department for Work and Pensions are contained within the Welfare Reform Bill However, stamp duty land tax (SDLT) is charged on which has passed the House of Lords Committee stage a land transaction. SDLT is payable by the purchaser in and is now in the middle of the Lord’s Report stage. the usual way when a company acquires or disposes of property. As companies may own or sell property for a VAT: Overpayments variety of different reasons it is not possible to make a reliable estimate of the kind requested. Mr Hanson: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer The Treasury receives representations on all aspects if he will review arrangements for the refunding of of SDLT, including avoidance. These representations overpayments of VAT paid by individuals to companies come from a wide range of individuals and which have subsequently gone into liquidation. [88646] organisations. Mr Gauke: I refer the right hon. Member to the Chi Onwurah: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer answer given on 22 November 2011, Official Report, what advice his Department provides to (a) small business column 233W. There are no plans for a review. estate agents and (b) other small businesses considering promoting the legal avoidance of stamp duty on property Working Tax Credit sales through company structures. [88564] Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer Miss Chloe Smith: HM Revenue and Customs (1) how many couples with children receive working tax (HMRC) publishes a series of guides, known as credit in respect of employment of between 16 and 24 “Spotlights”: hours per week in each parliamentary constituency; www.hmrc.gov.uk/avoidance/spotlights.htm [88172] which provide a consumer protection message aimed at (2) how many children live in households in receipt of deterring people from entering into tax avoidance. working tax credit including a couple working 16 hours Spotlights no. 6, published in June 2010, makes it clear and 24 hours per week in each parliamentary constituency; that where HMRC finds property sale arrangements and what estimate he has made of the total amount of that have been artificially structured to avoid paying working tax credit (a) paid to such couples in working the correct amount of stamp duty land tax (SDLT), tax credit in (i) 2010 and (ii) 2011 and (b) which will be these will be actively challenged, including through the paid to such couples in 2012. [88178] courts where appropriate. Mr Gauke: The requested information as of Trading Funds December 2011 has been deposited in the Library of the House. Total amount of working tax credit paid is Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer not available at the constituency level. what plans he has to further regulate the sale of exchange traded funds, including synthetic traded funds, to retail investors; and if he will make a statement. [88523] FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE Adam Werritty Mr Hoban: Exchange traded funds are regulated by the Undertakings for Collective Investments in Transferable Caroline Lucas: To ask the Secretary of State for Securities (UCITS) directives. UCITS provides a Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the harmonised EU regulatory framework for collective answer to the hon. Member for Islington North of investment schemes designed to ensure these products 31 October 2011, Official Report, column 374W, on are appropriate for retail investors. Adam Werritty, how many meetings in his official capacity The Government are aware of the recent Mr Matthew Gould has attended at which Mr Adam developments in the exchange traded funds industry Werritty was present since the commencement of and the concerns around the suitability of some of Mr Gould’s employment at his Department in 1993. these products for retail investors. The Government [87577] believe that it is important for the UCITS brand that products sold under the UCITS directive are suitable Mr Lidington: The Department does not hold for retail investors. We are working closely with the information listing all meetings held by officials. However, Financial Services Authority and Bank of England to based on diary records in this case, we are aware of analyse the risks associated with these products and Mr Matthew Gould attending four meetings in his consider what regulatory responses may be necessary. official capacity (8 September 2009, 16 June 2010, 1 September 2010, and 27 September 2010) at which Universal Credit Mr Adam Werritty was present. In addition to this, though they were not meetings, Mr Gould also attended Stephen Timms: To ask the Chancellor of the the Herzliya conference in February 2011 and, as listed Exchequer whether legislative change is required to in the Cabinet Office report on the allegations against enable HM Revenue and Customs to share real time my right hon. Friend the Member for North Somerset 73W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 74W

(Dr Fox) of 18 September 2011, attended a dinner on Arms Trade 6 February 2011. Mr Werritty was present at these events. Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs who will lead the Algeria: Christianity UK negotiating delegation (a) in preparation for and (b) at the next UN Preparatory Committee for the International Arms Trade Treaty in February 2012. Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what [88036] representations he has made to the Algerian authorities Alistair Burt: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office on the religious freedom of Christians in that country. (FCO) is the lead Government Department on an arms [87877] trade treaty, with the head of the FCO’s Counter Proliferation Department acting as the head of the UK Alistair Burt: The Secretary of State for Foreign and delegation. Commonwealth Affairs, my right hon. Friend the Member for Richmond (Yorks) (Mr Hague), discussed the Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for importance of reform with the Algerian authorities Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what (a) bi-lateral during his visit in October. and (b) multi-lateral meetings (i) he and (ii) his officials have had with their international counterparts to discuss We are aware that the Algerian authorities have closed the agreement of a robust Arms Trade Treaty in preparation some places of worship which have not been registered, for the final Preparatory Committee in February 2012. including those of Christian groups, since new regulations [88048] governing religion in Algeria came into effect in May 2007. I discussed the situation with a delegation of Alistair Burt: Securing a robust and effective arms Algerian Christians when I met them on 26 October. trade treaty (ATT) is a priority for the Government. The British Government raises the issue of human Foreign and Commonwealth Office officials regularly rights, including freedom of religion and belief, with the raise the treaty with their international counterparts, Government of Algeria through a variety of mechanisms, both bilaterally and multilaterally, to highlight the including the EU-Algeria Association Agreement, which importance of an ATT and to understand the positions came into force in September 2005. Following a recent of other states. visit by Mr Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy, the Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for EU and the Algerian Government have increased dialogue Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps his on these issues, by establishing a sub-committee on Department is taking to ensure a transparent reporting political dialogue, security and human rights. Freedom mechanism and effective monitoring and verification of Religion, including for Christian groups, was discussed procedures are part of any agreement on the Arms at the first meeting which was held in October. Trade Treaty. [88053] Alistair Burt: The Government’s commitment to Algeria: Religious Freedom transparent export controls is demonstrated through the publication of the UK’s annual report on strategic Sammy Wilson: To ask the Secretary of State for export controls. The UK continues to argue for effective Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations transparency mechanisms within an arms trade treaty, he has made to the Algerian government on Ordinance both on the treaty’s application and its implementation, 06-03 on freedom of religious expression in that country. and regularly raises the issue in its meetings with other [87883] states and during the UN negotiations. Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Alistair Burt: The Secretary of State for Foreign and Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps his Commonwealth Affairs, my right hon. Friend the Member Department is taking to ensure a transparent reporting for Richmond (Yorks) (Mr Hague), visited Algeria in mechanism and effective monitoring and verification October 2011 where he discussed the importance of procedures are part of any agreement on the Arms reform measures, including freedom of expression. Trade Treaty. [88054] We are aware that the Algerian authorities have closed Alistair Burt: The Government’s commitment to some places of worship which have not been registered, transparent export controls is demonstrated through including those of Christian groups, since new regulations the publication of the UK’s annual report on strategic governing religion in Algeria came into effect in May export controls. The UK continues to argue for effective 2007. I discussed the situation with a delegation of transparency mechanisms within an arms trade treaty, Algerian Christians when I met them on 26 October. both on the treaty’s application and its implementation, The British Government raises the issue of human and regularly raises the issue in its meetings with other rights, including freedom of religion and belief, with the states and during the UN negotiations. Government of Algeria through a variety of mechanisms, including the EU-Algeria Association Agreement. The Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for EU and the Algerian Government have increased dialogue Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what contribution on these issues by establishing a sub-committee on his Department is making to developing policy on the political dialogue, security and human rights. Freedom inclusion of import, export, re-export, transit, transhipment, of Religion, including for Christian groups, was discussed brokering activities and the gifting, loan or lease of at the first meeting which was held in October. arms within the terms of the Arms Trade Treaty. [88057] 75W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 76W

Alistair Burt: The UK supports an arms trade treaty Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for (ATT) with a broad scope that covers a range of activities Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent discussions and transfers. The cross-Whitehall team on ATT has (a) he has had and (b) his officials have had with their held a number of technical meetings on different aspects EU counterparts on the EU position on the arms trade of the treaty, including how different types of transfer treaty. [88624] and activity could be dealt with by an ATT, and these meetings will continue as we approach the UN conference Alistair Burt: The EU is strongly supportive of efforts in July 2012. to secure a robust and effective arms trade treaty (ATT). The EU and its member states regularly co-ordinate Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for activity in support of the treaty at a dedicated EU ATT Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many of his sub-group, attached to the COARM working group, Department’s officials at each grade are working on the and in EU co-ordination meetings before and during Arms Trade Treaty negotiations; whether there has UN negotiations in New York. been any change in the personnel leading on this matter; and whether he expects any further changes to Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for be made before July 2012. [88062] Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps his Alistair Burt: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s Department is taking to ensure that negotiations on the (FCO) Counter Proliferation Department lead on the arms trade treaty in 2012 include representatives from negotiation of an arms trade treaty (ATT) and are civil society and non-governmental organisations. supported by many other departments and posts across [88625] the FCO’s extensive network. The FCO does not keep records on the different grades of officials working on Alistair Burt: Civil society and non-governmental the issue. The head of the FCO’s Counter Proliferation organisations have played a crucial role in the progress Department lead’s the UK delegation on ATT. made on an arms trade treaty (ATT) so far, including through regular meetings with UK officials and by Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for providing a representative on the UK ATT team. Alongside Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he has Ambassador Moritan of Argentina, the Chair of the asked the National Security Council to discuss the UN process on ATT, the UK has worked to ensure that Arms Trade Treaty. [88611] civil society retain a voice in the UN Preparatory Committee meetings, and we will continue to support this approach Alistair Burt: The National Security Council has not at the UN conference in 2012. discussed an arms trade treaty (ATT). The UK has a cross-Whitehall team, with representatives from the Foreign Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for and Commonwealth Office, Ministry of Defence, Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs which representatives Department for International Development and the from his Department have attended each of the UN Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, working Preparatory Committee meetings for the International on ATT, with additional expertise supplied by other Arms Trade treaty; and which representatives from his Government Departments as required. Department will attend the meeting in February 2012. [88628] Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what contribution his Department has made to policy development on Alistair Burt: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office including small arms, light weapons and ammunition (FCO) is the lead Government Department on an Arms Trade treaty. The head of the UK delegation is the head within the terms of the arms trade treaty. [88621] of the FCO’s counter proliferation department. The Alistair Burt: The UK supports a comprehensive UK delegation also includes other representatives from scope for an arms trade treaty (ATT), including small the FCO’s counter proliferation department, its UK arms and light weapons and ammunition. The cross- mission in Geneva, as well as representatives from cross- Whitehall team on ATT has held a number of technical Whitehall Departments. This representational approach meetings on different aspects of the treaty, including on will continue at the Preparatory Committee meeting in the treaty’s scope, and these meetings will continue as February 2012. we approach the UN conference in July 2012. Bahrain: Human Rights Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether his Department provides (a) training and (b) detailed Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for briefings on the arms trade treaty to all staff working in Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what (a) contacts overseas posts; and what steps he is taking to ensure and (b) meetings the UK embassy in Bahrain has had that the Treaty is raised in all relevant bi-lateral meetings. with human rights groups in the last 12 months; and if [88623] he will make a statement. [88380]

Alistair Burt: The UK maintains a leading global Alistair Burt: Our embassy in Bahrain has been in position on an arms trade treaty (ATT), and regularly contact with various human rights groups over the past provides updates and briefing on the treaty to overseas 12 months, both from Bahrain and the international posts and senior officials. ATT is regularly raised in community. This has included organisations such as the bilateral and multilateral meetings with states, and this Human Rights Defenders, Pen International, the Bahrain outreach will intensify as we approach the crucial Human Rights Society and the Bahrain Transparency negotiating conference in July 2012. Society, among others. 77W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 78W

We expect the Bahraini Government to meet all its number of areas where progress is essential for a lasting human rights obligations by ensuring its citizens can peace, such as on the new Land and Victims’ Law and exercise the universal human rights and freedoms to in tackling drug trafficking. which they are entitled. Debt Collection British Nationals Abroad: Kidnapping Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many times Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what support his his Department has used the services of debt recovery Department provides to relatives of British nationals companies since May 2010; which companies were kidnapped overseas. [87563] used; and if he will make a statement. [88361]

Mr Jeremy Browne: Foreign and Commonwealth Office Mr Lidington: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office staff maintain regular contact with the relatives of (FCO) has used the services of a debt recovery agency British nationals kidnapped overseas, ensuring they are (Clarke Willmott) on one occasion in the UK since May kept up to date with any developments. The exact level 2010. of support depends on the individual cases, but includes Overseas, finances within the FCO are devolved to regular welfare phone calls and family meetings. If our network of nearly 270 posts and details of any debt appropriate, we also put families in touch with other recovery agencies used could be provided only at specialist agencies such as Hostage UK. In some cases, disproportionate cost. British police forces appoint a family liaison officer. Departmental Apprentices Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many British Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for citizens have been kidnapped abroad in each of the last Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many five years. [87564] apprentices were employed by each public body for which his Department is responsible between (a) April Mr Jeremy Browne: We do not have an exact figure as 2010 and March 2011 and (b) April and December not every case is brought to our attention, but our 2011; and how many apprenticeships he expects each records show the number of kidnaps involving British public body to sponsor between (i) January and March nationals abroad in the past five years is shown in the 2012 and (ii) April 2012 and March 2013. [88731] following table. Mr Bellingham: Foreign and Commonwealth Office Total (FCO) Services, a trading fund of the FCO which provides secure services worldwide, has run an 2007 71 apprenticeship scheme since the 1960s. New apprentices 2008 83 are taken once a year in September, and the programme 2009 47 lasts for three years. Run in conjunction with Milton 2010 59 Keynes college, the programme runs in line with the 2011 40 academic calendar and the figures shown in the following table represent the total number of people enrolled on the scheme. Colombia: Armed Conflict Total number of people enrolled on Robert Flello: To ask the Secretary of State for the scheme Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps he is April 2010 until September 2010 40 taking to encourage the government of Colombia and September 2011 until September 2012 29 the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia to reach September 2012 until September 2013 129 a politically negotiated solution to the conflict in 1 Planned. Colombia. [87458] None of the other public bodies for which the FCO is responsible reports any apprenticeship schemes over the Mr Jeremy Browne: Colombia’s president, Juan Manuel specified period. Santos has stated, including during his visit to the United Kingdom in November, that he would like to Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign return peace to Colombia. His government has set out and Commonwealth Affairs how much funding from clear conditions for initiating a political peace process the public purse has been allocated to sponsor with the Revolutionary armed forces of Colombia. apprenticeships in each of the public bodies for which These include the release of all hostages, an end to the his Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 recruitment of child soldiers and stopping the use of and March 2011, (b) April 2011 and March 2012 and anti-personnel mines. We have told the president that he (c) April 2012 and March 2013. [88732] has the British Government’s full support in his wish to find a lasting solution to Colombia’s armed conflict. Mr Bellingham: Foreign and Commonwealth Office We agree that a political process is an essential part of (FCO) Services, a trading fund of the FCO which reaching that end and remain content to provide support provides secure services worldwide, has run an to a formal peace process in response to any formal apprenticeship scheme since the 1960s. New apprentices request from the Colombian Government. We already are taken once a year in September, and the programme work closely with the Colombian Government in a lasts for three years. Run in conjunction with Milton 79W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 80W

Keynes college, the programme runs in line with the Mr Lidington: The question numbers were UIN21457, academic calendar and the figures shown in the following UIN21467, UIN54582 and UIN54598. table represent the cost of the scheme to FCO Services as a business. Diplomatic Service Expenditure on the programme is as follows: Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign April to March each year £ and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment his (a) 2010-11 1,056,000 Department has made of the effectiveness of its (b) 2011-12 1962,000 provision of consular services in each overseas country; (c) 2012-13 2— and if he will make a statement. [87472] 1 Estimated. 2 Figure not known but will be in line with current financial year. Mr Jeremy Browne: Our consular services are described In the second and third year of the programme, in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) apprentices can work on live projects in order to gain publication “Support for British nationals abroad: A the necessary skills and experience. This means that guide” which is available on the FCO website at: some of the costs can be recovered where work is www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/2855621/support-for-british- chargeable. nationals-abroad.pdf None of the other public bodies for which the FCO is This includes a customer charter containing targets for responsible reports any spending on apprenticeship schemes services such as issuing emergency travel documents over the specified period. and contacting British nationals in hospital or detention. Our internal management information allows us to Departmental Equality measure performance against these targets in each country. We also actively encourage British nationals to provide Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign feedback on our services through a customer satisfaction and Commonwealth Affairs what equality impact survey which is available online and in paper format at assessments his Department has carried out since May our embassies and consulates. We use customer feedback to inform us about the quality of our services and 2010; and for what purpose in each case. [88582] identify areas for improvement. In addition, we take Mr Bellingham: The Foreign and Commonwealth account of feedback from Members of Parliament, the Office (FCO) considers equality issues in exercising its travel industry and our non-governmental organisation functions, to comply with equality legislation and to partners. ensure it understands how its activities will affect different people. Information about the number of such documents Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign published by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office is and Commonwealth Affairs what criteria his not held centrally and could be obtained only at Department uses to determine what forms of consular disproportionate cost. However, equality impact assessments service it provides in overseas countries; and if he will carried out since May 2010 include those to evaluate: make a statement. [87473] the UK Estate Reform programme; changes to the system of promotion for administrative assistants and Mr Jeremy Browne: Our consular services are described administrative officers; changes to the policy on the in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) provision of accommodation for staff serving overseas; publication “Support for British nationals abroad: A a proposed reduction in the number of overseas postings guide” which is available on the FCO website at: at administrative officer and executive officer level; and www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/2855621/support-for-british- the e-learning training service. nationals-abroad.pdf We have four major areas of activity: Departmental Redundancy Pay (i) We help British nationals who are in difficulty abroad in a range of situations including: victims of crime, hospitalisations, deaths, detentions, forced marriages, child abductions, missing Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for people and kidnapping. Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how much (ii) We respond to major crises affecting British nationals redundancy pay was paid to civil servants in his abroad. Department in each month between September and (iii) We issue emergency travel documents and provide notarial [88015] November 2011. and documentary services. (iv) We also provide travel advice and other information in Mr Bellingham: The Foreign and Commonwealth order for British nationals to avoid trouble and stay safe overseas. Office has not made any redundancy payments to civil servants between September and November 2011. We consulted widely in shaping our consular strategy for 2010-13—available on the FCO website at: Departmental Written Questions www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/publications We commissioned research in order to improve our Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign understanding of our customers, their requirements and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the answer of and how best to provide services to them. 12 December 2011, Official Report, column 602W, on We also take account of what British nationals, both departmental written questions, what the question number travellers and residents; tell us about our services in is of each written parliamentary question which was response to our customer satisfaction survey or through answered after 30 sitting days. [88152] complaints and compliments. 81W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 82W

We listen to the feedback we receive from Members We see the sanctions as appropriate, proportionate, and of Parliament, non-governmental organisations and others. carefully targeted to prevent any negative humanitarian As a result, our efforts are focused on providing the impact. The Prime Minister wrote to President Isaias highest quality assistance to the most vulnerable people on 20 September about the Eritrean refutation of the in the most difficult situations, working with partners if UN Somalia-Eritrea Monitoring Group’s allegations they are best placed to provide the service. For example, that the Eritrean leadership had committed multiple during 2011, we have enhanced the support provided to violations of Security Council resolutions. I raised families bereaved by a murder or manslaughter abroad, allegations about Eritrea’s involvement in the Addis working in partnership with the Victim Support National Ababa bomb plot with Mr Saleh on 21 September and Homicide Service. have corresponded with Mr Saleh on UN sanctions Employment Agencies policy. The issue has also been discussed at official level. Ethiopia: Politics and Government Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how much his Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for Department spent on recruitment agencies in each Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent month since September 2011. [88017] discussions he has had with the Government of (a) Somalia and (b) Ethiopia on the Ogaden and its Mr Bellingham: The Foreign and Commonwealth people; and if he will make a statement. [88552] Office has spent a total of £26,128.14 on recruitment agencies since September 2011. Mr Bellingham: There have been no recent meetings The monthly spend is: with the Transitional Federal Government in Somalia on the Ogaden and its people. £ I discussed the Ogaden with Regional President, Abdi September 14,114.64 Mohammed Omar, when I visited Ethiopia’s Somali October 0 region in late July 2011. The British embassy in Addis November 6,337.20 Ababa also regularly discusses the Ogaden region with December 5,676.30 Ethiopian Federal and Regional Government. The issue was discussed most recently by the chargé d’affaires and This figure covers recruitment for UK-based members Hailemarian Dessalegn, the Ethiopian Deputy Prime of staff only. It excludes recruitment undertaken by Minister, in late November. In these discussions we overseas posts advertising for local staff positions as the stressed the importance of ensuring that the response to figures for this are not held centrally. All of the positions the region’s genuine security concerns is proportionate for which external recruitment campaigns were held and avoids causing suffering to the civilian population, during this period were approved for external recruitment and have highlighted the need for humanitarian agencies as either business critical or a front line service, in to have adequate access to the region. accordance with the terms of the Government-wide We welcome the two peace agreements in 2010 between recruitment freeze. the Ethiopian Government and the United Western Eritrea: Politics and Government Somali Liberation Front and one faction of the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF). We hope that Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for meaningful progress towards peace will be achieved Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what discussions through the effective implementation of these agreements he has had with the Government of Eritrea on (a) its and through further dialogue between Ethiopia and the human rights observance and (b) the UN sanctions remaining faction of the ONLF. policy; and if he will make a statement. [88550] Falkland Islands Mr Bellingham: The information requested is as follows: Derek Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for Human rights Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment We regularly discuss the importance of human rights he has made of the level of staff resource allocated to observance with the Government of Eritrea at both the team within his Department with responsibility for official and ministerial level. Most recently, I expressed the Falkland Islands. [87370] concerns to the Eritrean Foreign Minister Osman Saleh in a meeting on 21 September last year. I raised a Mr Jeremy Browne: Overall responsibility for Falkland number of specific cases including the case of the Islands policy in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office ‘G11’group of opposition figures detained without charge (FCO) sits with the Overseas Territories Directorate, since 2001. On 23 September, the 10th anniversary of working in close co-operation with others in London as the arrest of the G11, I issued a statement offering well as with staff in Stanley and Buenos Aires and solidarity to all those Eritreans engaged in the struggle elsewhere in Latin America. for human rights. The British ambassador in Asmara Our current staff resource is appropriate, but as with regularly raises human rights issues with the Eritrean the rest of FCO staffing levels is periodically reviewed Government. Human rights concerns are also regularly so we have the flexibility to respond to operational raised between the EU and the Eritrean Government. demand. UN Sanctions UN Security Council Resolution 2023 on the extension Derek Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for of sanctions on Eritrea was adopted by majority vote Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what reports he by the UN Security Council on 5 December last year. has received of an attempted economic blockade of the 83W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 84W

Falkland Islands by Argentina; and what steps he is Mr Jeremy Browne: The Foreign and Commonwealth taking to ensure that (a) ships have a right of passage Office does not collate data on the number of forced and (b) there is freedom of air access to and from the marriages that have occurred in the UK in each of the Islands. [87371] last five years. However, the number of instances where the Forced Marriage Unit (FMU) has provided advice Mr Jeremy Browne: We reject Argentina’s attempts to or support related to a possible forced marriage is as intimidate the Falkland Islands population through follows: economic pressure. 2010: 1,735 reports of forced marriage. We do not consider Argentina’s Presidential Decree 2009: 1,682 reports of forced marriage. 256, passed in February 2010, to be compliant with international law and have repeatedly protested it in 2008: 1,618 reports of forced marriage. private and in public, including in letters circulated at Prior to 2008 the FMU only collated data on cases the United Nations General Assembly. The decree does where direct assistance was provided, which comprised not appear to have had a practical impact on the the following: passage of vessels between the Falkland Islands and 2007: 262 cases of forced marriage. South America. 2006: 197 cases of forced marriage. On 15 December the Government of Uruguay declared that it would deny access to its ports to ships flying the Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Falkland Islands flag. This was followed four days later Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many forced by a statement from the summit of the Mercosur group marriages the Forced Marriage Unit has prevented in of countries (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, each of the last five years. [87813] with associate members including Chile) that echoed the Uruguayan announcement. We have protested strongly Mr Jeremy Browne: The Forced Marriage Unit (FMU) this development and held productive and honest does not hold data on the number of forced marriages it discussions with Uruguay, Chile and Brazil about the has prevented in each of the last five years. However, practical implications. All three countries have said that the number of instances where the FMU has provided they have no intention of participating in an economic advice or support related to a possible forced marriage blockade of the Falkland Islands and that all Falklands- is as follows: related commercial shipping will continue to enjoy access to their ports, in accordance with domestic and international Reports of forced marriage law, if they are flying the Red Ensign or another national flag while docked. 2010 1,735 The British Government maintain twice weekly flights 2009 1,682 between the Falkland Islands and the UK and continue 2008 1,618 to monitor and support other air access routes to and Prior to 2008 the FMU only collated data on cases from the Islands. This includes LAN Chile’s weekly where direct assistance was provided: flight between Punta Arenas and Port Stanley, which President Kirchner threatened in a speech to the United Cases of forced marriage Nations General Assembly in September. We have stressed that support for this or any other move to intimidate an 2007 262 innocent civilian population through economic pressure 2006 197 would be unacceptable and unbecoming for any Latin American democracy. We are not aware of any further Forced Marriage: Young People action by Argentina to give effect to Mrs Kirchner’s threat and continue to monitor developments very closely. Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Derek Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many victims Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent of forced marriages were (a) women, (b) men and (c) reports he has received on relations between Argentina under the age of 16 years in each of the last five years. and British companies wishing to work in the Falkland [87814] Islands. [87372] Mr Jeremy Browne: In 2010, the Forced Marriage Mr Jeremy Browne: Many British companies operate Unit (FMU) provided advice or support in 1,735 cases successfully in Argentina, but Argentina prohibits by law of possible forced marriage. Of these, 1,388 cases (86%) any company operating there if it is connected to the involved female victims and 243 cases (14%) involved hydrocarbons sector in the Falkland Islands. The Falkland male victims. The FMU provided direct assistance in Islanders have the right to trade openly and without 469 cases. Of these 240 were British nationals in need of hindrance. The British Government support unreservedly assistance abroad, or victims in the UK; and 229 were the right of any company to work on the Falkland the reluctant sponsor in an entry clearance application. Islands, including those from the United Kingdom, and Of the 240 assistance cases, 11 cases involved minors rejects Argentina’s attempts to restrict this. under the age of 16. Forced Marriage In 2009, the FMU provided advice or support in 1,682 cases of possible forced marriage. Of these, 1,447 Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for cases (86%) involved female victims and 235 cases (14%) Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many forced involved male victims. The FMU provided direct assistance marriage cases have occurred in the UK in each of the in 377 cases. Of these 240 were British nationals in need last five years. [87812] of assistance abroad, or victims in the UK; and 137 were 85W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 86W the reluctant sponsor in entry clearance applications. Of Lancaster House: Energy Performance Certificates the 240 assistance cases, 15 cases involved minors under the age of 16. Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for In 2008, the FMU provided advice or support in Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what the energy 1,618 cases of possible forced marriage. Of these, 1,375 performance certificate rating is of Lancaster House. cases (85%) involved female victims and 243 (15%) [88445] involved male victims. The FMU provided direct assistance in 430 cases. Of these, 222 were British nationals in need Mr Lidington: Lancaster House does not have an of assistance abroad, or victims in the UK; and 208 the energy performance certificate (EPC) as it has not been reluctant sponsor in entry clearance applications. Of constructed, sold or rented since the introduction of the 222 assistance cases, 12 cases involved minors under EPCs. It has a display energy certificate (DEC). Its the age of 16. DEC operational rating is 65 Band C. Prior to 2008 the FMU only collated data on cases Laos: Diplomatic Service where direct assistance was provided:

Cases of forced marriage Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether his Department 2007 262 plans to provide a permanently staffed consular service 2006 197 in Laos. [87474]

Haiti: Reconstruction Mr Jeremy Browne: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office has no plans at present to open a UK post in Laos. Consular services in Laos are provided by our Mark Menzies: To ask the Secretary of State for embassy in Bangkok and the Australian embassy in Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether the Vientiane. Government has taken steps within the UN to seek a change in the UN mandate in Haiti from one of Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign peacekeeping to one of reconstruction. [88545] and Commonwealth Affairs what consular services his Department provides to British citizens in Laos; and if Mr Bellingham: The role of the UN Stabilisation he will make a statement. [87476] Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH) is to maintain peace and security, and to provide an enabling environment in Mr Jeremy Browne: Our consular services are described which civilian UN and other international development in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) agencies such as the World Bank, Inter-American publication “Support for British nationals abroad: A Development Bank and European Union can work guide” which is available on the FCO website at: with the Haitian authorities to achieve their reconstruction and development goals. Peacekeepers should not be www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/2855621/support-for-british- tasked to undertake reconstruction or development roles nationals-abroad.pdf that others are better able to perform. We have argued Consular services for British nationals in Laos are at the UN Security Council that development of the provided by our embassy in Bangkok and the Australian Haitian National Police should be MINUSTAH’s first embassy in Vientiane. priority and have called on the Government of Haiti to Libya: Assets engage fully in what needs to be a joint capacity building effort. While this is underway. Haiti will require the continued support of MINUSTAH and international Patrick Mercer: To ask the Secretary of State for donors to bolster the capacity of its rule of law and Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether his security institutions. Department plans to apply to the UN Sanctions Committee to release some or all of the Libyan assets Ilois: Resettlement frozen in the UK. [87705] Alistair Burt: Working with the Libyan authorities, Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for the UK led the way in securing the removal of UN Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what the total sanctions from the Central Bank of Libya and the legal costs have been incurred to date by his Department Libya Arab Foreign Bank, which was agreed by the UN in defending actions brought by the Chagos Islanders; Sanctions Committee on Friday 16 December. Once the and what the cost to date to the public purse is of the EU has passed the relevant regulations in response to case before the European Court of Human Rights. this UN decision around £6.5 billion of assets held in [88553] the UK will be unfrozen. We will continue to work with the Libyan Government and other nations to agree the Mr Bellingham: Legal costs incurred by the Foreign steps required to remove the remaining sanctions, so and Commonwealth Office in defending cases brought that Libya’s assets can be used for the benefit of its by Chagossians are £1,757,390.92, inc VAT, since 2001. people. We do not hold easily accessible figures for the Vencatassen case brought in 1975. Libya: Politics and Government Additionally, the costs to the public purse related to the European Court of Human Rights case are £32,377 Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for ex VAT. These figures do not include legal aid to the Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what access to plaintiffs. security information held by the (a) current government 87W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 88W and (b) previous regime in Libya has been offered to has previously found that the West Bank is held in UK officials inquiring into the cases of those forcibly belligerent occupation. And the International Court of returned to Libya before April 2011. [88384] Justice has held that the West Bank and East Jerusalem are occupied territories and that the Fourth Geneva Alistair Burt: It is the policy of successive British Convention applies. The legal arguments for that finding Governments not to comment on security and intelligence can be found in the full record of the advisory opinion. matters. Sikhs Nigeria: Equality Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) if he will have Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) what steps his discussions with the Sikh Council UK and Sikh Department is taking to promote equality in Nigeria; Federation (UK) on policy matters relating to the Sikh [87569] community; [87195] (2) whether he has held discussions with his Nigerian (2) what plans he has to met the Sikh Federation counterpart on the subject of equality. [87566] (UK) to discuss Italian airport security checks on British Sikhs; [87198] Mr Bellingham: The British Government address the (3) what discussions he has had with the Italian problems of inequality, poverty, gender, inter-communal Government on airport security checks on British violence, treatment of minorities and human rights in Sikhs. [87199] Nigeria in a number of different ways. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office works alongside other Government Mr Lidington: The Department for Communities and Departments, especially the Department for International Local Government (DCLG) leads on engagement with Development (DFID), to implement effective programmes faith communities. I do not currently have plans to meet in these areas. DFID spends an average of £250 million the Sikh Federation (UK). DCLG have been facilitating per year in Nigeria, working to reduce poverty and discussions between the Department for Transport and establish sustainable solutions to the divisions in Nigerian a range of bodies representing British Sikhs on security society, working towards a peaceful, democratic and checks at European airports. Officials from the Foreign prosperous Nigeria. The Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Office have also been in contact and Commonwealth Affairs, my right hon. Friend the with the Sikh Federation (UK). Member for Richmond (Yorks) (Mr Hague), has not I understand that the Italian authorities confirmed in had specific discussions with his Nigerian counterpart June that Sikhs would no longer be required to remove on equality, however, through our high commission in their turbans at airports. Furthermore, officials in the Abuja, we continue to deliver messages to the Nigerian Department for Transport have been in contact with Government, at all levels, about the importance of officials in the Italian embassy in London and have met equality and protection of human rights in underpinning with Sikh representative organisations over the course a strong, democratic society. of 2011. The Prime Minister visited Nigeria in July, and agreed communiqué with President Goodluck Jonathan setting Somalia: Conferences out the direction of the UK/Nigeria relationship. Both leaders expressed their commitment to ensuring a strong Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for democratic base in Nigeria and sustainable economic Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs who will attend growth. The Prime Minister outlined the UK’s commitment the International Conference on Somalia in London in to development assistance so as to create this positive February 2012. [88381] environment. Mr Bellingham: The London Conference on Somalia Occupied Territories: Housing on 23 February 2012 will seek to deliver a new, action- oriented international approach to Somalia building on Guto Bebb: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign the progress being made on the ground. and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the contribution The attendance list is being finalised. Governments of the Minister for Europe of 14 December 2011, and multilateral organisations that are active and influential Official Report, column 304WH, on Israel, under which on Somalia, as well as representatives from Somalia international laws settlements are illegal. [88406] itself, have been invited to the conference. We will also organise a number of events in January Alistair Burt: Settlements are illegal under the Fourth and February to ensure that civil society and Somali Geneva Convention of 1949, to which Israel is a state Diaspora representatives have an opportunity to contribute party. Articles 47-78 of this convention impose substantial to the conference outcomes. obligations on occupying powers. As well as numerous provisions for the general welfare of the inhabitants of Sri Lanka: Armed Conflict an occupied territory, an occupier may not forcibly deport protected persons, or deport or transfer parts of Mike Gapes: To ask the Secretary of State for its own civilian population into occupied territory (Art.49). Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs with reference to The Occupied Palestinian Territories were not lawfully the recent publication in Sri Lanka of the report of the part of the state of Israel at its creation or at any point Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission, what thereafter, and we consider that the level of control that recent representations he has made to his Sri Lankan Israel retains over the territories amounts to occupation counterparts concerning investigation of enforced under international law. The Supreme Court of Israel disappearances in that country. [88066] 89W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 90W

Alistair Burt: The Sri Lankan Lessons Learnt and Alistair Burt: There have been no meetings between Reconciliation Commission report states the issue of Foreign and Commonwealth Office officials and members missing persons is a matter which needs urgently to be of the United Nations Secretary-General’s Panel of addressed. We look forward to hearing from the Sri Experts. There are no current plans for any meetings in Lankan Government how they intend to do this. According the foreseeable future. to local Sri Lankan media there were 13 incidents of extrajudicial killings or disappearances between November Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State and December. Most cases of past disappearances remain for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment unresolved and our high commission in Colombo regularly he has made of the (a) comprehensiveness and (b) raises concerns with relevant authorities in Sri Lanka accuracy of the report of the Sri Lankan Government’s regarding disappearances. Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission. [88087]

Mike Gapes: To ask the Secretary of State for Alistair Burt: We have been studying the Lessons Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s report in detail answer of 12 December 2011, Official Report, and intend to make a statement shortly. We look forward column 607W, on Sri Lanka: politics and government, to the Sri Lankan Government acting upon the what assessment he has made of whether the recent recommendations. report of the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission demonstrates Sri Lanka’s commitment to Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State (a) national reconciliation and (b) accountability. for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what meetings [88067] he (a) has had and (b) plans to have with his counterpart in (i) in Sri Lanka and (ii) elsewhere on the Alistair Burt: We have been studying the Lessons report of the Sri Lankan Government’s Lessons Learnt Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s report in detail and Reconciliation Commission. [88088] and intend to make a statement shortly. We look forward to the Sri Lankan Government acting upon the Alistair Burt: Officials from our high commission in recommendations. Colombo attended the briefing session that Sri Lankan Foreign Minister, GL Peiris, gave on 19 December. I Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State spoke to Foreign Minister Peiris on 6 January. for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what his policy Officials discuss the situation in Sri Lanka with is on the establishment of an international international partners on a regular basis. investigation into alleged wartime abuses in Sri Lanka; and if he will make a statement. [88084] Mr Virendra Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what consideration Alistair Burt: Since the end of the military conflict, he has given to the recommendations contained in the the UK and other members of the international community Sri Lankan Government’s Lessons Learnt and have consistently called for an independent, thorough Reconciliation Commission report. [88376] and credible investigation into the allegations that war crimes were committed by both sides. Alistair Burt: We have been studying the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s report in detail Under international law it is the primary responsibility and intend to make a statement shortly. We look forward of the state concerned to investigate and, where necessary, to the Sri Lankan Government acting upon the prosecute credible allegations of violations of international recommendations. humanitarian and human rights law. Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make representations he has received from (a) the International it his policy to support an international investigative Crisis Group, (b) Amnesty International and (c) Human mechanism into the Sri Lankan conflict; and if he will Rights Watch on the Sri Lankan government’s Lessons make a statement. [88085] Learnt and Reconciliation Commission report. [88528]

Alistair Burt: Since the end of the military conflict, Alistair Burt: We have received no direct representations the UK and other members of the international community from International Crisis Group (ICG), Amnesty have consistently called for an independent, thorough International (AI) or Human Rights Watch (HRW). I and credible investigation into the allegations that war am however aware of the statements that have been crimes were committed by both sides. made by ICG, AI and HRW following the publication We believe that the process of reconciliation between of the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s Sri Lanka’s communities has a greater chance of success report. if investigations are Sri Lankan led rather than externally imposed. Mr Virendra Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the Siobhain McDonagh: To ask the Secretary of State contribution by the hon. Member for North East for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what meetings Bedfordshire of 15 September 2011, Official Report, officials of his Department (a) have had and (b) plan column 1291, on human rights in the Indian Subcontinent, to have with members of the United Nations Secretary- what assessment he has made of whether Sri Lanka’s General’s Panel of Experts to discuss the report of Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission report the Sri Lankan Government’s Lessons Learnt and sets out clear steps towards accountability in respect of Reconciliation Commission. [88086] allegations of war crimes. [88544] 91W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 92W

Alistair Burt: We have been studying the Lessons Syria: Christianity Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s report in detail and intend to make a statement shortly. We look forward Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State to the Sri Lankan Government acting upon the for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recommendations. representations to the Syrian government he has made arising from reports of the persecution of Christians in Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Syria; what other steps he has taken in response to such and Commonwealth Affairs what recent assessment his reports; and if he will make a statement. [87880] Department has made of the adequacy of the witness protection mechanisms of Sri Lanka’s Lessons Learnt Alistair Burt: We make clear in our contacts with the and Reconciliation Commission. [88664] Syrian regime our deep concerns about ongoing human rights abuses in Syria and the need for the regime to Alistair Burt: Sri Lanka does not have a functioning stop the violence against its own people. witness protection system and the Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC) did not establish The Assad regime has demonstrated that it is unwilling any separate procedures. Unidentified plain-clothed to protect the rights, freedoms and interest of Syrians. individuals reportedly photographed civilians who testified We believe President Assad’s actions include a deliberate during its public hearings, which ran from August 2010 attempt to ferment sectarian tensions across Syria, especially to March 2011. Despite this, a number of affected in Homs where we have seen an increase in level of civilians gave evidence. The majority were concerned violence. The regime’s actions continue to undermine about locating disappeared and missing relatives. Our the stability and security of Syria and therefore endanger high commission in Colombo has raised concerns with all of Syria’s citizens, including religious minorities. the Sri Lankan Government over witness protection for President Assad has lost legitimacy and should step those appearing before the LLRC on a number of aside. occasions. We are encouraging Syrian opposition groups to reach out and engage with minority communities, including Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Christians, and to maintain a clear commitment to a and Commonwealth Affairs what recent discussions he peaceful and non-sectarian approach. They should reassure has had with his international counterparts on all Syrians that they are working towards a Syrian state implementation of the recommendations in the UN which is democratic, inclusive, representative, respectful Panel of Experts report on Sri Lanka. [88666] of its ethnic and religious minorities and which adheres to international human rights conventions. Alistair Burt: We have urged the Sri Lankan Government Following his meeting with members of Syria’s to respond constructively to the UN Panel’s report. opposition on 21 November, the Secretary of State for Officials discuss the situation in Sri Lanka with international Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, my right hon. partners on a regular basis. Friend the Member for Richmond (Yorks) (Mr Hague), made a statement which urged opposition representatives Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign to unite around a common political platform that will and Commonwealth Affairs what recent assessment he enable the people of Syria to see a pathway to a clear has made of Sri Lanka’s Lessons Learnt and alternative to dictatorship and repression. He particularly Reconciliation Commission report. [88797] stressed the importance of respecting the rights of minorities, so that all Syria’s citizens are protected and Alistair Burt: We have been studying the Lessons have a stake in the future of the country. Learnt and Reconciliation Commission’s report in detail and intend to make a statement shortly. We look forward Syria: Opposition to the Sri Lankan Government acting upon the recommendations. Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for Sri Lanka: Politics and Government Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what diplomatic recognition he has given to representatives of the Chris Evans: To ask the Secretary of State for Syrian opposition. [87697] Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what his most recent assessment is of the political situation in Sri Alistair Burt: The UK Government have not given Lanka. [87210] diplomatic recognition to any representatives of the Syrian opposition. It is not for the UK to recognise the Alistair Burt: The UK wants to see Sri Lanka achieve Syrian opposition, it is for the Syrian people. We believe a lasting and equitable peace through an inclusive political it is vital for the many groups that form the Syrian solution that addresses the underlying causes of the opposition to work together to define a plan for a conflict and takes into account the legitimate grievances transition to a more open political system in Syria. We and aspirations of all Sri Lankan communities. Progress encourage them to maintain their peaceful and non- in the last two years has been mixed. We continue to sectarian approach, and to work towards a Syria which press all key players to do more. will be democratic, inclusive, representative, respectful The Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission, of its ethnic and religious minorities and adheres to a Government appointed commission to examine events international law. relating to the civil war from 2002 to 2009, published its The Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth report on 16 December 2011. We are studying the Affairs, my right hon. Friend the Member for Richmond report and intend to make a statement shortly. (Yorks) (Mr Hague), last saw members of the Syrian 93W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 94W opposition on 21 November 2011, including Dr. Burhan Unmanned Air Vehicles Ghalioun, the Chairman of the largest opposition umbrella group, the Syrian National Council (SNC). The Secretary Mr Spellar: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign of State urged the opposition representatives to unite and Commonwealth Affairs if he will publish his around a common political platform that would enable Department’s policy on the provision of intelligence to the people of Syria to see a pathway to a clear alternative facilitate attacks by drone aircraft. [87949] to dictatorship and repression. The Secretary of State also appointed Frances Guy, an ambassador-level official, to take forward Her Majesty’s Government’s discussions Alistair Burt: We do not comment on intelligence with the Syrian opposition. matters. All activity, whether in support of UK or allied forces, is authorised and in strict accordance with UK policy and law. Syria: Politics and Government Drone strikes are a matter for the US and Pakistan. Both are key allies, who are facing a shared and dangerous threat from violent extremists who also threaten the Rehman Chishti: To ask the Secretary of State for UK. There is a need for effective action, and for Pakistani Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what reports he ownership of the fight against violent extremism. It is has received on how many refugees have left Syria for important that Pakistan and the international community (a) Turkey, (b) Jordan and (c) Lebanon in 2011 to continue to work together to combat this common date. [87792] threat, and we expect all concerned to act in accordance with international humanitarian and human rights law. Alistair Burt: The Turkish Government and the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) are reporting that there are 8,400 refugees remaining in Yemen: Politics and Government Turkey. In Jordan the UNHCR reported on 15 December Mike Gapes: To ask the Secretary of State for that 1,832 Syrian’s had registered with them since the 1 Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the March. answer of 2 November 2011, Official Report, columns 665-66W, on Yemen, what assessment he has made of The UNHCR have also recently reported that the whether units of the Yemani security forces trained by number of registered Syrian refugees in Lebanon is now the UK have been involved in human rights violations 4,500. against protesters. [87946] We have made clear our condemnation of the situation in Syria and called upon the Syrian Government to end Alistair Burt: There have been credible reports that the violence against civilians immediately. some elements of the Yemeni security forces may have committed human rights violations to control and disperse crowds of protesters, raising concern and condemnation Lindsay Roy: To ask the Secretary of State for from the international community including the United Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent Nations. The Secretary of State for Foreign and assessment he has made of the political situation in Commonwealth Affairs, my right hon. Friend the Member Syria. [88353] for Richmond (Yorks) (Mr Hague), and I have publicly expressed our serious concern at the use of lethal force, Alistair Burt: The United Nations estimates that over and called for restraint and for those responsible to be 5,000 people have been killed, including 300 children, brought to justice. The UK has actively supported work since protests started in March 2011. British Government by the UN Security Council, leading to Resolution Ministers have made clear our concern about the situation 2014, and discussions at the Human Rights Council in Syria and our condemnation of violence and repression and the successfully adopted resolution in September. against civilians by the Syrian regime security forces. It is well known that the UK has been working with We support the efforts of the Arab League to put the Yemeni Government for some years to increase the pressure on the Syrian regime to end the violence and capability of its armed forces to tackle the threat posed its current observer mission. We are deeply concerned by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and to help that the Syrian regime has not implemented the Arab develop a non-lethal public order capability within the League plan to which it agreed on 2 November 2011. Yemeni Security forces. All training supporting the This set out that the Syrian regime would end the Yemeni Central Security Force and Coastguard was violence; to withdrawal of troops from the streets of suspended in spring last year due to the deteriorating Syria; to release detainees and to engage in a meaningful security situation. All training was delivered in accordance dialogue with oppositionists. We encourage the Syrian with UK values and international human rights standards. oppositionists to work together to define a united, Before providing any military support or training to peaceful vision for the future of Syria. We have intensified Yemeni forces, the UK Government seek assurances our engagement with Syrian opposition by appointing that these forces will not be deployed on operations an ambassador-level contact. outside their mandate or in breach of human rights. The bomb attacks in Damascus on 23 December While we know of reports of various units of the 2011 and 6 January 2012 are a worrying sign of the Yemeni security forces exercising disproportionate levels increasing instability in Syria. We have made clear our of force against unarmed protesters, we are not aware belief that President Assad should step aside in the best of reports confirming the participation of units which interests of Syria and the unity of its people. have received UK-delivered training. 95W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 96W

WALES Debt Collection

Business Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales how many times her Department has used the services Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales of debt recovery companies since May 2010; which what steps the Government are taking to help small companies were used; and if she will make a statement. and medium-sized enterprises in Wales to grow. [86298] [88360]

Mrs Gillan: Economic development is devolved in Mr David Jones: The Wales Office has never used Wales so it is for the Welsh Government to take a debt recovery companies. leading role in helping small and medium-sized enterprises. Departmental Manpower In the last 16 months, the Government have announced a number of measures intended to help businesses across Wales to grow: Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales how many people were working in her Department additional expenditure on important infrastructure including on (a) 11 May 2010 and (b) 8 December 2011. [87353] electrifying the Great Western Mainline to South Wales; creating a superfast broadband network with £57.9 million Mr David Jones: There were 59 staff working in the allocated to Wales and additional funding committed to Cardiff as a super-connected city; Wales Office on 11 May 2010, and 51 staff working there on 8 December 2011. cutting corporation tax, reforming the tax system and simplifying our tax codes; Departmental Redundancy Pay a national insurance contributions holiday for new start-ups outside London, the south east and the east of England, worth Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales up to £5,000 for each of the first ten employees hired in the first year; how much redundancy pay was paid to civil servants in her Department in each month between September and reducing regulation and stopping new unnecessary legislation being brought in; and November 2011. [87973] securing agreement with four of the UK’s biggest high street banks to lend £76 billion to small and medium-sized enterprises Mr David Jones: No redundancy pay was paid to civil this year—£10 billion or 15% more than was lent in 2010. servants in the Wales Office during this period. And in last month’s autumn statement, we announced Departmental Secondment further measures to help businesses, including SMEs across Wales such as: Huw Irranca-Davies: To ask the Secretary of State deferring the January fuel duty increase and cancelling the for Wales what secondments there have been to her August inflation rise; Department from (a) industry and (b) the third sector Implementing credit easing measures to benefit small and since May 2010; what the (i) purpose and (ii) duration medium-sized enterprises; and is of each secondment; and whether each secondment a range of measures to support an increase in SME exports. was to a policy development role. [86146] We remain committed to working with the Welsh Government for the benefit of the Welsh economy. Mr David Jones: There have been no secondments to the Wales Office during this period from either industry Christmas or the third sector. Departmental Temporary Employment Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales whether her Department plans to hold a (a) Christmas carol concert and (b) Christmas party for its staff in Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales how many temporary staff were recruited to her 2011. [86296] Department between September and November 2011. Mrs Gillan: The Department did not hold a carol [87974] concert, but the Under-Secretary of State for Wales, my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd West (Mr Jones), Mr David Jones: One member of staff was recruited and I hosted a small party for the staff in London and to the Wales Office on a temporary basis during this Cardiff in December 2011 at our personal expense, to period. thank them for their efforts over the year. Devolution

Coal Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales on what date she last met the Chair of the Commission on Dr Francis: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales Devolution in Wales. [86261] what recent discussions she has had with (a) the First Minister of the Welsh Government and (b) representatives Mrs Gillan: I met the Chair on 4 November 2011. of the coal industry in Wales; and if she will make a statement. [88109] Domestic Visits

Mrs Gillan: I have regular discussions with the First Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales Minister and with industry leaders on a range of issues how many nights she has spent in North Wales on affecting Wales. official business since May 2010. [86268] 97W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 98W

Mrs Gillan: We have defined North Wales to include State and I also met with all Welsh Vice-Chancellors the following constituencies—Ynys Mon, Arfon, and Higher Education Wales on 11 May 2011. Aberconwy, Clwyd West, Vale of Clwyd, Delyn, Alyn and Deeside, Wrexham and Clwyd South. On that basis University Visits Meetings I have spent five nights in North Wales on official business since May 2010. University of Wales — 18 November 2010

Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales Cardiff University 7 March 2011 4 October 2010 how many visits to Wales she (a) made in 2011 and (b) — 16 February 2011 expects to make in 2012. [86275] — 30 June 2011

Mrs Gillan: I made around 60 official visits to Wales Swansea University 7 June 2010 15 November 2011 in 2011. Diary arrangements are not finalised for 2012. — 5 December 2011 Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales when she last visited (a) Cardiff, (b) Swansea, (c) Bangor University 24 February 2011 — Newport, (d) Bangor, (e) Anglesey, (f) Blaenau Gwent, (g) Merthyr Tydfil, (h) Pontypridd, (i) Pembrokeshire, Aberystwyth 4 August 2010 3 February 2011 (j) Carmarthen, (k) Monmouthshire, (l) the Vale of University Glamorgan and (m) Llanelli. [86304] Glamorgan University — — Mrs Gillan: The Under-Secretary of State for Wales, my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd West (Mr Jones), University of Wales, 24 February 2011 6 June2011 and I make regular visits across Wales in both an Newport official and political capacity. The information requested is as follows: Glyndwr University 4 May 2011 15 August 2010 (a) 6 December 2011; — 5 July 2011 (b) 12 December 2011; — 24 October 2011 (c) 23 June 2011; (d) 26 August 2010; Cardiff Metropolitan 7 March 2011 30/06/2011 (c) 26 August 2010; University (f) 18 November 2010; 8 April 2011 — (g) None; (h) 12 July 2010; Domestic Visits: Schools (i) 1 July 2011; (j) 28 February 2011; Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales (k) 18 August 2010; how many (a) schools and (b) hospitals she has visited (1) 18 August 2010; in Wales since May 2010. [86267] (m) 9 October 2011. Mrs Gillan: Responsibility for schools and hospitals Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales in Wales is devolved to the Welsh Government. how many official visits she has made to (a) Wales and (b) North Wales since May 2010. [86305] Employment Agencies

Mrs Gillan: I have made over 100 visits to a wide Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales range of destinations in Wales since being appointed how much her Department spent on recruitment Secretary of State for Wales. agencies in each month since September 2011. [87975]

Domestic Visits: Higher Education Mr David Jones: The Wales Office has spent the following amounts on recruitment agencies for agency Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales how staff: many times she has (a) visited and (b) met representatives of (i) the university of Wales, (ii) Cardiff university, (iii) £ Swansea university, (iv) Bangor university, (v) Aberystwyth September 2011 3,267.74 university, (vi) Glamorgan University, (vii) the university October 2011 2,829.60 of Wales, Newport, (viii) Glyndwr university and (ix) November 2011 1,685.18 Cardiff metropolitan university since May 2010. [86266] December 2011 3,436.50 Mrs Gillan: The information requested is shown in the following table which includes visits and meetings Social Fund undertaken by both myself and the Under-Secretary of State for Wales, my hon. Friend the Member for Clwyd Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales (1) West (Mr Jones), who I have asked to take lead responsibility on what dates she last met the First Minister to discuss for universities. The Parliamentary-Under Secretary of the ending of the Social Fund; [86299] 99W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 100W

(2) on what dates she last met the First Minister to Departmental Recruitment discuss the future provision of childcare support in Wales; [86300] Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for (3) what meetings (a) she and (b) Ministers in her Northern Ireland how much his Department spent on Department have had with representatives of the Welsh recruitment agencies in each month since September Government to discuss preparations for severe winter 2011. [87981] weather; and what steps her Department has taken to co-ordinate its response to severe winter weather with Mr Paterson: During this period, my Department that of the Welsh Government. [86301] spent the following amounts on recruitment agencies:

Mrs Gillan: Meetings are frequently held between the 2011 £ Government and the Welsh Government at ministerial September 2,724.67 and official levels to discuss a number of topics. In line with the practice of successive administrations, information October 5,329.27 relating to inter-administration discussions is not normally November 5,469.88 disclosed. Departmental Redundancy Pay

Tourism Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how much redundancy pay was paid Dr Francis: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales to civil servants in his Department in each month what recent discussions she has had with the First between September and November 2011. [87979] Minister of the Welsh Government on the future of the tourist industry in Wales; and if she will make a Mr Paterson: There were no redundancy payments statement. [88106] made to civil servants in my Department during this period. Mr David Jones: The Secretary of State for Wales, my Departmental Temporary Employment right hon. Friend the Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs Gillan), has regular meetings with the First Minister to discuss a range of issues affecting Wales. Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many temporary staff were Wales continues to be a popular tourist destination recruited to his Department between September and with 9.6 million overnight visitors in 2010 bringing November 2011. [87980] nearly £1.8 billion into the Welsh economy and employing almost 190,000 people. Mr Paterson: The Northern Ireland Office recruited This year’s celebrations for Her Majesty the Queen’s one temporary member of staff during this period. diamond jubilee and the Olympic and Paralympic games will provide unprecedented levels of international attention Japan Tobacco International: Ministerial Policy on the UK and we are working to ensure that all parts Advisers of Great Britain including Wales share the benefits of this. Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether any (a) Ministers and (b) special Welsh Conservative Group advisers in his Department have received hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May 2010. [87602] Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales on what date she last met the Leader of the Welsh Mr Paterson: Information about hospitality received Conservative Group in the National Assembly for by Ministers and special advisers is published quarterly Wales in an official capacity. [86399] by Departments. Information for the period 13 May 2010 to 30 June 2011 can be accessed on departmental Mrs Gillan: I hold regular meetings with the leader of websites. Information for 1 July onwards will be published the Conservative Group in the Assembly. in due course.

SCOTLAND NORTHERN IRELAND Banks: Regulation

Departmental Manpower Ann McKechin: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland what discussions he has had with the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the potential effect on Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for the Scottish economy of the Government’s proposals Northern Ireland how many people were working in his for banking regulation. [88118] Department on (a) 11 May 2010 and (b) 8 December 2011. [87354] David Mundell: The Secretary of State for Scotland, the right hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Mr Paterson: On 11 May 2010, there were 177 people Selkirk (Michael Moore), meets regularly with the working in the Northern Ireland Office. On December Chancellor of the Exchequer, my right hon. Friend the 2011 the figure was 170. Member for Tatton (Mr Osborne), to discuss a wide 101W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 102W range of issues of relevance to the Scottish economy, Cost (£) including the implications of the Government’s proposed reforms to the system of banking regulation in the UK. September 0 The Government’s own economic analysis has found October 0 that the proposed reforms will deliver significant net November 816.27 benefits to the UK economy and taxpayer. In taking forward implementation of the proposed reforms, the Departmental Redundancy Pay Government will continue to engage with banks, industry representatives and other interested groups. Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland how much redundancy pay was paid to civil Ann McKechin: To ask the Secretary of State for servants in his Department in each month between Scotland what assessment he has made of the likely September and November 2011. [87982] effect of proposed legislation on banking on levels of employment in the financial sector in Scotland. [88119] David Mundell: The Scotland Office does not employ staff directly. All of its staff are on secondment from David Mundell: The Secretary of State for Scotland, other public bodies, mainly the Ministry of Justice and the right hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and the Scottish Government. Redundancy issues are a Selkirk (Michael Moore), and I both agree with the matter for these parent bodies. Government’s assessment that the proposed reforms will deliver significant net benefits to UK financial Departmental Temporary Employment stability, and improve competition in the banking sector. We expect this to support employment in Scotland’s Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for financial sector in the longer term. Scotland how many temporary staff were recruited to Debt Collection his Department between September and November 2011. [87983]

Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for David Mundell: Two temporary members of staff Scotland how many times his Department has used the were appointed between September and November 2011 services of debt recovery companies since May 2010; to cover vacancies while substantive recruitment was which companies were used; and if he will make a completed. statement. [88373] Devolution David Mundell: The Scotland Office has not used the services of any debt recovery company since May 2010. Miss McIntosh: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland what recent devolution issues the Advocate Departmental Equality General has considered; and if he will make a statement. [88705] Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland what equality impact assessments his David Mundell: The hon. Member asked a similar Department has carried out since May 2010; and for question on 26 October 2010, Official Report, column what purpose in each case. [88589] 175W. Since 26 October 2010, the Advocate-General for David Mundell: No equality impact assessments have Scotland has received a total of 1,443 minutes notifying been undertaken since May 2010. him of devolution issues of which 39 relate to civil matters. Departmental Manpower Employment Schemes: Young People Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland how many people were working in his Ann McKechin: To ask the Secretary of State for Department on (a) 11 May 2010 and (b) 8 December Scotland what discussions he has had with (a) the Scottish 2011. [87352] Government, (b) Scottish colleges, (c) the Scottish Trades Union Congress, (d) the Convention of Scottish David Mundell: On 11 May 2010 there were 59 people Local Authorities, (e) the Federation of Small Businesses working in the Scotland Office, and on 8 December in Scotland and (f) CBI Scotland on the operation in 2011 there were 59 people working in the Scotland Scotland of the proposed Youth Contract. [88120] Office. David Mundell: Prior to the launch of the Youth Departmental Recruitment Contract representatives from the Scottish Government, Scottish colleges, the Scottish Trades Union Congress, Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, the how much his Department spent on recruitment agencies Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland and CBI in each month since September 2011. [87984] Scotland have participated in the series of youth unemployment seminars which the Secretary of State David Mundell: The Scotland Office spend on recruitment for Scotland, the right hon. Member for Berwickshire, agencies in each month since September 2011 was as Roxburgh and Selkirk (Michael Moore), is hosting in follows: areas of Scotland where this problem is prevalent. 103W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 104W

The Department for Work and Pensions is in contact Departmental Equality with the Scottish Government concerning areas of shared interest in the operation of the Youth Contract in Mr Thomas: To ask the Attorney-General what Scotland. equality impact assessments the Law Officers’ Japan Tobacco International: Ministerial Policy Departments have carried out since May 2010; and for Advisers what purpose in each case. [88573] The Attorney-General: HMCPSI carried out an Equality Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland Impact Assessment in January 2011 in relation to changes whether any (a) Ministers and (b) special advisers in to HMCPSI’s management structure. his Department have received hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May 2010. [87605] The Treasury Solicitor’s Department (TSol), has conducted the following Equality Impact Assessments David Mundell: Information about hospitality received since May 2010: by Ministers and special advisers is published quarterly Government Legal Service—Qualified Lawyer Recruitment by Departments. Information for the period 13 May The purpose was to assess proposed changes to recruitment 2010 to 30 June 2011 can be accessed on departmental selection arrangements. websites. Information for 1 July onwards will be published Government Legal Service—Legal Trainee in due course. The purpose was to review the use of the Guaranteed Judicial Review Interview Scheme. Flexible Working Mr Jenkin: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland The purpose was to consider a proposal to restrict some for what reason his Department did not apply for costs flexible working arrangements to staff below grade 7. against Derek Traynor and James Fisher following Central guidance on Additional Paternity Leave their unsuccessful application for judicial review. The purpose was to consider any TSol-specific elements of an [87282] Equality Impact Assessment produced by Civil Service Employee Policy. David Mundell: Following the court’s dismissal of the Central guidance on Major Travel Disruption petitions for judicial review, the prisoners lodged appeals. The purpose was to consider any TSol-specific elements of an The appeals were then sisted to allow the prisoners to Equality Impact Assessment produced by Civil Service Employee apply for further legal aid. Policy. Where an appeal is lodged it is usual practice to delay The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) does not have seeking expenses from the first instance proceedings a centrally held list of completed equality impact until the outcome of the appeal is known. assessments and could not provide this information In these cases, the appeals are still sisted, but remain without incurring a disproportionate cost. extant. The Attorney-General’s Office and the Serious Fraud Railways Office have not undertaken any equality impact assessments since May 2010. Mark Lazarowicz: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has had discussions with the First E-mail Minister for Scotland on the future of cross-border rail services. [88529] Jon Trickett: To ask the Attorney-General what guidance the Law Officers’ Departments provide to David Mundell: There is regular discussion on cross- Ministers and officials on the use of personal email border rail services with the Scottish Government at accounts to conduct official business. [88534] ministerial and official level. I most recently discussed High Speed Rail with the Scottish Transport Minister The Attorney-General: The Ministerial Code, the Code in November 2011. of Conduct for Special Advisers, and the Civil Service Code set out how Ministers, officials and special advisers should conduct Government business. ATTORNEY-GENERAL Cyber Crime: Business Japan Tobacco Mike Weatherley: To ask the Attorney-General what assessment he has made of the effectiveness of the Mr Hain: To ask the Attorney-General whether any current system for prosecuting cyber crime against Ministers in the Law Officers’ Departments have received hospitality from Japan Tobacco International businesses. [88404] since May 2010. [87606] The Attorney-General: There is not a specific offence of cyber crime and a number of offences may involve The Solicitor-General: My wife and I were among a the use of a computer or a network in the commission number of Conservative and Labour MPs invited to the of or as a target of crime. The Crown Prosecution Chelsea Flower Show on 24 May 2011 by Japan Tobacco Service and Serious Fraud Office have prosecutors with International. This engagement was not undertaken in the skills and knowledge to conduct effective prosecutions a ministerial capacity and was recorded on the Register for crimes involving information technology when required. of Members’ Interests on 31 May 2011. 105W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 106W

HEALTH Access to Drugs NHS Reorganisation Cost 20. Mr Marcus Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what steps he is taking to ensure drugs 16. Julie Hilling: To ask the Secretary of State for approved by the National Institute for Health and Health what estimate he has made of the cost to the Clinical Excellence are made available to all patients in public purse of NHS reorganisation in (a) Bolton the NHS. [88286] West constituency and (b) England. [88282] 21. John Howell: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Simon Burns: The cost of the national health Health what steps he is taking to ensure drugs service modernisation is estimated to be between £1.2 approved by the National Institute for Health and billion and £1.3 billion. This will save £4.5 billion over Clinical Excellence are made available to all patients in this Parliament, and £1.5 billion per year thereafter. We the NHS. [88287] do not have a local breakdown of these figures, as this will depend on local decisions. Mr Lansley: The national health service is required to Early Access Scheme fund drugs and technologies recommended in National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) technology appraisals, in line with the NHS Constitution. 17. Mel Stride: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what recent representations he has received on The NHS chief executive’s report, “Innovation, Health the effect of the early access scheme on cancer patients and Wealth”sets out plans to ensure rapid and consistent implementation of NICE technology appraisal for whom there are no alternative treatments. [88283] recommendations throughout the NHS. 23. Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what recent representations he has received Excess Winter Deaths on the effect of the early access scheme on cancer patients for whom there are no alternative treatments. 22. Mike Freer: To ask the Secretary of State for [88289] Health what steps he has taken to ensure the NHS has a strategy to prevent excess winter deaths. [88288] Mr Lansley: There is significant interest in early access to medicines generally arid, in line with the Anne Milton: In November we published the first commitment in the Life Sciences Strategy launched on ever Cold Weather Plan for England. 5 December 2011, we will shortly bring forward proposals for consultation on such a scheme. We look forward to The Cold Weather Plan sets out a series of clear hearing the views of all interested parties. actions to minimise the health impact of severe winter weather, to be taken by the national health service, Maternity Provision: Outer North East London social care and other public agencies and advice for people who interact with those most at risk from cold weather. It is supported by the Warm Homes Healthy 18. Mike Gapes: To ask the Secretary of State for People Fund of £30 million to reduce death and morbidity Health what assessment he has made of maternity due to cold housing this winter. provision in outer north-east London. [88284]

Anne Milton: NHS London is working closely with Patient Data cluster and acute trusts to manage maternity services following the Care Quality Commission’s (CQC) 24. Hywel Williams: To ask the Secretary of State for investigation and recommendations. The CQC continues Health when he expects to reach agreement with the to monitor progress. The Secretary of State for Health, NHS on the governance arrangements for use of my right hon. Friend the Member for South Cambridgeshire patient data for research purposes in all constituent (Mr Lansley), has asked NHS London with the local parts of the UK. [88290] national health service, to provide him with further reports in due course on delivering improvements to Mr Simon Burns: The Government’s plans and timetable quality of care. for establishment of the Clinical Practice Research Datalink were published in October 2011. Arrangements for Whistleblowing collaboration between the home countries are planned to commence in August 2012 and be concluded as soon 19. Karl McCartney: To ask the Secretary of State for as practicable. Health what steps he is taking to encourage whistleblowing in the NHS. [88285] A and E Departments Paul Burstow: We expect all national health service contracts of employment to include a right to raise Dr Phillip Lee: To ask the Secretary of State for concerns. The amended NHS Constitution will enhance Health which NHS hospitals do not have a type one existing legal rights and pledge employers support to (major) accident and emergency department; and whistleblowers. Where NHS and social care staff, or which NHS hospitals have (a) gained and (b) lost employers, need whistleblowing advice we are supporting such a department since 1997. [87071] them through a Government funded free-phone whistleblowing helpline. Mr Simon Burns: This information is not held centrally. 107W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 108W

The most relevant data relates to the number of “internal recruitment pool” comprising the Department’s type 1 departments per national health service trust, arm’s length bodies, the Department, strategic health and is only available from quarter 2 of 2003-04. authorities and primary care trusts. A copy of the earliest and most recently available Carers: Finance data have been placed in the Library. Alcoholic Drinks: Scotland Tony Baldry: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how much he has allocated to investment in carers Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for services within the baseline allocations for primary care Health what discussions he has had with the Scottish trusts in 2012-13; and how much he plans to allocate in Government on the pricing of alcohol and its effect on (a) 2013-14 and (b) 2014-15. [87960] health. [88157] Mr Simon Burns: Primary care trust (PCT) allocations Anne Milton: Health Ministers have not discussed the for 2012-13 were announced on 14 December. These pricing of alcohol with their Scottish Government allocations provide PCTs with £91.6 billion to spend on counterparts since May 2010. There are regular contacts the local front-line services that matter most, an increase between officials on all current policy issues. of £2.5 billion, or 2.8%. This means that despite the financial situation, we have ensured that all PCTs receive The Home Office has lead responsibility within the a reasonable uplift. United Kingdom Government for alcohol pricing issues. The Home Office published the Government’s review of The spending review made available funding of £400 alcohol pricing in January 2011. million between 2011 and 2015, to support the provision of breaks for carers, reflecting a priority of the Coalition Brain Cancer Agreement. The funding is currently included in PCT allocations, and we recommend that PCTs pool budgets Brandon Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for with local authorities to provide carers’ breaks, with Health how much his Department has spent on spending plans made available to local carers’organisations. funding for brain cancer research in each year since However, individual PCT revenue allocations are not 2006. [87723] broken down by service or policy area. It is for PCTs to commission services to meet the health care needs of Paul Burstow: Expenditure by the Department on their local populations, taking account of local and brain cancer research through research programmes, national priorities. research centres and units, and research training awards This will be the last round of allocations made to is shown in the following table: PCTs, as subject to the passing of the Health and Social Care Bill, the NHS Commissioning Board would take £ million over responsibility for the allocation of resources from the Department for 2013-14 onwards. Also from 2013-14, 2006-07 0.1 the Department will allocate a ring-fenced public health 2007-08 0.1 grant to local authorities. 2008-09 0.1 2009-10 0.3 Computer Sciences Corporation 2010-11 0.9 Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for Health In addition, the National Institute for Health Research how many contracts his Department has awarded to Clinical Research Network (CRN) is currently hosting the Computer Sciences Corporation since May 2010; 17 trials and other well-designed studies in cancers of and what the (a) purpose, (b) monetary value and (c) the brain and nervous system that are in set-up or net worth was of each contract. [87703] recruiting patients. Details can be found on the United Kingdom CRN portfolio database at: Mr Simon Burns: The Department has not awarded http://public.ukcrn.org.uk/search any contracts to the Computer Sciences Corporation Data for spend on brain cancer research through the since May 2010. CRN cannot be disaggregated from total CRN expenditure. Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Care Quality Commission: Recruitment what services the Computer Sciences Corporation (a) provides to the NHS and (b) will provide to the NHS Mr Anderson: To ask the Secretary of State for up to the end of 2013. [87704] Health for what reasons external applicants are unable to apply for jobs with the Care Quality Commission. Mr Simon Burns: Computer Sciences Corporation [88760] (CSC) is the local service provider for the delivery of the North Midlands and East of England programme for Mr Simon Burns: External applicants are able to Information Technology. The scope of the contract is to apply for jobs with the Care Quality Commission (CQC) implement a patient centric electronic patient record subject to the Government’s efficiency controls. The (NHS Care Records Service) in national health service CQC, like other public sector organisations, is subject trusts across the region. In providing this, CSC is offering to the recruitment freeze on external recruitment announced a number of strategic and interim solutions along with by the Government on 25 May 2010. External recruitment key services that include the planning, design, development, is only permissible by exception where a post is frontline testing, implementation and ongoing support for the or business critical and has not been filled from the duration of the contract. The Department and Cabinet 109W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 110W

Office are however currently in discussions with CSC Departmental Apprentices over the contract and its associated costs. These discussions have not yet concluded. Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Debt Collection how many apprentices were employed by each public body for which his Department is responsible between Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Health (a) April 2010 and March 2011 and (b) April and how many times his Department has used the services December 2011; and how many apprenticeships he expects of debt recovery companies since May 2010; which each public body to sponsor between (i) January and companies were used; and if he will make a statement. March 2012 and (ii) April 2012 and March 2013. [88367] [88729]

Mr Simon Burns: Since May 2010, the Department Mr Simon Burns: Numbers of apprentices employed, has used the debt recovery services of CCI Legal Ltd on or expected to be employed, by departmental arm’s two occasions, via NHS Shared Business Services. length bodies (ALBs) are shown in the following table.

Number of apprentices Number of Number of Number of employed between apprentices employed apprenticeships expected apprenticeships expected April 2010 and between April and to be sponsored between to be sponsored between ALB March 2011 December 2011 January and March 2012 April and March 2013

Health Protection Agency 2 2 2 2 National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence 1 0 0 0 NHS Blood and Transplant 114 61 20 120

The Care Quality Commission workforce plans include Disability: Children looking into the possible introduction of modern apprenticeship and graduate training schemes. The Health Mr Buckland: To ask the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care Information Centre are examining how how many statemented deafblind or multi-sensory impaired they might integrate them into their planning towards children have been provided with intervention support the end of 2012. in the latest period for which figures are available; and if he will make a statement. [88386] Departmental Redundancy Pay Sarah Teather: I have been asked to reply on behalf of Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Health the Department for Health. how much redundancy pay was paid to civil servants in The school census collects information on pupils his Department in each month between September and with different types of special educational need. It November 2011. [87994] includes a category for “multi-sensory impairment”, but not a separate category for “deafblind”. Mr Simon Burns: The Department has paid a total of £524,929 to civil servants as redundancy payments between In January 2011, the school census showed that there September and November 2011. We are unable to break were 510 pupils with multi-sensory impairment as their this down into individual months without the risk of primary type of need who were receiving support through identifying individuals. a statement of special educational needs. Information on the specific type of support provided, Departmental Temporary Employment including intervenor support is not held centrally.

Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Doctors: Retirement how many temporary staff were recruited to his Department between September and November 2011. Rachel Reeves: To ask the Secretary of State for [87995] Health what the average retirement age was of (a) a hospital consultant and (b) a GP in the latest period Mr Simon Burns: Between 1 September and 30 November for which figures are available. [88065] 2011 there were 17.3 full-time equivalent temporary civil servants recruited to the Department and 97.9 Mr Simon Burns: Data from the Government Actuaries full-time equivalent temporary workers (agency staff Department on the average retirement age of general and contractors) were engaged from external suppliers. practitioners is calculated at 62 (covering the period This information is contained in the following table. 2004 to 2008). Temporary staff recruited into the Department of Health 1 September Data for hospital consultants are not available separately. to 30 November2011 Status Total number Drugs: Licensing

Temporary civil servants 17.3 Barry Gardiner: To ask the Secretary of State for Temporary workers (agency staff 97.9 and contractors) Health in respect of applications to the Medicines and Total 115.2 Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency for a licence for the importation of medicines from other EU 111W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 112W member states to the UK, what the average interval was (2) what account specialised commissioning groups between the application and the granting of a licence in take of (a) clinical severity and (b) costs and benefits each of the last 12 months. [88377] when deciding whether to fund treatments. [88643]

Mr Simon Burns: The gross time in months for approval Mr Simon Burns: This is primarily a matter for the of parallel import licence applications is shown in the local national health service. following table. Gross time includes waiting time for Specialised Commissioning Groups (SCGs) are information from other member states and from the accountable to their primary care trusts (PCTs) on all applicants responding to questions from the Medicines matters of governance including their financial concerns. and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency: SCGs will consider the cost and clinical effectiveness, the potential health gain and the opportunity costs and Median time for approval benefits of any proposal. As. joint committees of PCTs Month of approval (months) they will need to keep in mind the duty not to exceed 2010 spending limits. December 6.4 Electro-convulsive Therapy 2011 January 8.0 Jim Dobbin: To ask the Secretary of State for Health February 6.5 what information his Department holds on the number March 6.7 of times that electro-convulsive therapy has been April 9.0 administered in NHS facilities in each of the last three May 9.4 years. [87385] June 9.3 July 8.1 Paul Burstow: The information requested is presented August 8.3 in the following table: September 9.0 Total procedures/interventions October 5.7 November 5.6 2008-09 7,026 2009-10 7,954 Barry Gardiner: To ask the Secretary of State for 2010-11 6,787 Health what medicines subject to licensing by the Source: Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory The NHS Information Centre for Health and Social Care Agency are medicines of which there is currently a This information is from the national health service shortage in the UK market. [88653] (NHS) Information Centre’s HESonline website, which includes activity in English NHS hospitals and English Mr Simon Burns: Medicines shortages can occur at NHS commissioned activity in the independent sector. short notice, for a number of reasons, including Further breakdowns of the data on electro-convulsive manufacturing or regulatory problems. At any one time therapy procedures and interventions by age and gender the Department of Health may be aware of a number of are available at: shortages, and we do not hold a list of such drugs as any www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ such list, if compiled, might not be accurate or complete. ContentServer?siteID=1937&categoryID=210 The Department also receives reports of medicines subject to supply problems that may be attributed to General Practitioners parallel exports. A list of products where there are known problems with supply is published on the Dr Phillip Lee: To ask the Secretary of State for Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee’s website Health what the average cost to the public purse of a at: GP consultation has been since 1997 in (a) walk-in www.psnc.org.uk/pages/problem_medicines_list.html centres and (b) all other GP practices. [87072] Dystonia Mr Simon Burns: No central data are held on the Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for average cost of a consultation at a national health Health (1) what the funding policies are for each of the service walk-in centre. 10 specialised commissioning groups in relation to deep Figures relating to average consultation costs in general brain stimulation for severe dystonia; [88642] practice are set out in the following table.

General practitioner (GP) average surgery consultation costs

Former GP contract to 2003-04 New GP contract from April 2004

1999- 1997-98 1998-99 2000 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09

Qresearch estimated 220.7 219.9 218.9 225.3 239.0 246.2 259.4 264.9 283.2 291.5 291.9 303.9 volume of consultations (Million) 113W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 114W

General practitioner (GP) average surgery consultation costs Former GP contract to 2003-04 New GP contract from April 2004 1999- 1997-98 1998-99 2000 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09

GP contract total spend 3,033 3,158 3,420 3,623 3,734 4,060 4,623 6,103 6,851 6,943 7,051 7,145 net of dispensing (£ billion) Average cost per 13.74 14.36 15.62 16.08 15.62 16.49 17.82 23.04 24.19 23.82 24.16 23.51 consultation (£) Sources: Former GP contract 1997-98 to 2003-04 spend taken from the 2005 departmental report, Chapter 7 Activity, Performance and Efficiency—table figure 7.3Key Statistics on General and Personal Medical Services (GPMS) England discretionary and non-discretionary final audited spend 2004-05 to 2008-09 new GP contract spend taken from final audited FIMS(FHS)4 nGMS contract spend as reported by all primary care trusts in England net of dispensing doctor spend. All consultation figures are taken from Qresearch-Trends in Consultation Rates in General practice 1995 to 2009—table 12 by financial year.

Health Services: North East Information on the actual number of health visitor training commissions in 2011-12 can be obtained from NHS North of England. Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what assessment he has made of the potential Herbal Medicine effect on recruitment and retention of NHS staff in the North East region of the Government’s forthcoming review of regional pay in the public sector; and if he Simon Reevell: To ask the Secretary of State for will make a statement. [88379] Health (1) what estimate he has made of the number of herbal medicinal products on sale in the UK which exceed the daily dose approved for traditional herbal Mr Simon Burns: The Chancellor of the Exchequer, medicinal products; and if he will make a statement; my right hon. Friend the Member for Tatton (Mr Osborne), asked pay review bodies to look at local job [88773] markets, the difference between public and private sector (2) what steps the Medicines and Healthcare products salaries, how this is implemented on a geographic basis Regulatory Agency has taken in respect of black cohosh and the need to ensure that public sector organisations products that exceed the daily dose approved for traditional are able to recruit, retain and motivate the right numbers herbal medicinal products in the last six months; and if of staff with the right skills to deliver and help improve he will make a statement. [88795] public services. Mr Simon Burns: The classification of products as It would be premature to make any statement prior to medicines is made on a case-by-case basis by the Medicines the NHS Pay Review Body (NHS PRB) and Senior and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). Salaries Review Body (SSRB), making their own Companies are not required to notify the MHRA that recommendations to Government in July 2012. they are placing a product on the market or to have it The Department will, as part of its evidence to the pre-vetted, so the MHRA does not hold information on NHS PRB and SSRB, consider carefully the impact of how many herbal products are on the market at higher recruitment and retention of market facing pay right strengths than registered herbal medicines. The MHRA across England. has taken regulatory action against one black cohosh product and the status of a further 15 products is currently under investigation. Any which are in breach Health Visitors: North West of legislation will be subject to regulatory action. The MHRA is currently considering how effective, proportionate enforcement action can best ensure that the intended Mr Frank Field: To ask the Secretary of State for benefits of the legislation for consumers and for companies (a) (b) Health what the target and actual number of compliant with the legislation are achieved. health visitor training commissions in the North West Strategic Health Authority was in 2011-12; what steps the Government is taking to ensure that the North Injuries: Dogs West Strategic Health Authority meets its target for health visitor training commissions by 2015; and if he Glyn Davies: To ask the Secretary of State for Health will make a statement. [88354] how many people were admitted to hospital as a result of being bitten by a dog in England and Wales in each Anne Milton: The Health Visitor Implementation of the last three years. [87903] Plan, published in February 2011, set out action to expand and strengthen health visiting services. The plan Mr Simon Burns: The following table shows a count of finished admission episodes (FAEs)1 with a cause includes a commitment to employ an extra 4,200 health 2 visitors (against a May 2010 baseline of 8,092). Also in code of bitten or struck by dog for the years 2008-09 to February, the Department wrote to strategic health 2010-11 in England only. Data for Wales is not held as authorities setting out indicative growth trajectories for this is the responsibility of the Welsh Assembly. 2011-12 training commissions. The indicative number Activity in English national health service hospitals and English NHS of commissions for the north-west region in 2011-12 is commissioned activity in the independent sector 206. England Number Both a copy of the plan and letter have been placed in 2008-09 5,221 the Library. 2009-10 5,837 115W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 116W

Activity in English national health service hospitals and English NHS The MHRA has made a number of staff redundant commissioned activity in the independent sector during the period 1 December 2010 to 30 November England Number 2011, all as a result of the requirements of the Government 2010-11 6,005 efficiency programme. During this period a total of 27 1 Finished admission episodes staff were given notice of redundancy and 16 of those A finished admission episode (FAE) is the first period of in-patient have left as a result of redundancy. The remaining 11 care under one consultant within one healthcare provider. FAEs are members of staff are due to leave between 1 December counted against the year in which the admission episode finishes. 2011 and mid 2012. These are listed as follows: Admissions do not represent the number of inpatients, as a person may have more than one admission within the year. Date of leaving 2 Cause code A supplementary code that indicates the nature of any external cause December 2010 0 of injury, poisoning or other adverse effects. Only the first external cause code which is coded within the episode is counted in Hospital January 2011 0 Episode Statistics (HES). February 2011 0 Cause code used: W54: Bitten or struck by dog. March 2011 0 Notes: April 2011 0 1. Assessing growth through time May 2011 0 HES figures are available from 1989-90 onwards. Changes to the figures over time need to be interpreted in the context of improvements June 2011 0 in data quality and coverage (particularly in earlier years), improvements July 2011 1 in coverage of independent sector activity (particularly from 2006-07) August 2011 4 and changes in NHS practice. For example, apparent reductions in September 2011 3 activity may be due to a number of procedures which may now be October 2011 7 undertaken in outpatient settings and so no longer include in admitted patient HES data. November 2011 1 2. Data quality Total 16 HES are compiled from data sent by more than 300 NHS trusts and primary care trusts in England and from some independent sector December 2011 7 organisations for activity commissioned by the English NHS. The NHS Information Centre for health and social care liaises closely with January 2012 1 these organisations to encourage submission of complete and valid February 2012 0 data and seeks to minimise inaccuracies. While this brings about March 2012 0 improvement over time, some shortcomings remain. April 2012 2 Source: May 2012 0 Hospital Episode Statistics (HES), The NHS Information Centre for health and social care. June 2012 0 July 2012 1 Japan Tobacco Total 11 Mental Health Services Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Health (a) (b) whether any Ministers and special advisers in Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for his Department have received hospitality from Japan Health what estimate he has made of the number of Tobacco International since May 2010. [87619] people in each age group under 25 years of age who have received mental health treatment in the last 10 Anne Milton: No Minister or special adviser has years. [87927] received hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May 2010. Paul Burstow: The majority of mental health treatment Details of all hospitality received by Ministers and is given in primary care settings, for example, treatment special advisers are published, quarterly in arrears on for depression. This information is not routinely collected the Department’s website. Data from 1 January 2010 up from primary care settings. to the end of June 2011 can be found at: Accordingly, only information on treatment in secondary http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Aboutus/MinistersandDepartment care can be provided. The Mental Health Minimum Leaders/Departmentdirectors/DH_110759 Dataset (MHMDS) covers secondary mental health services for adults arid a small group of patients under Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency: 16-years-old who have accessed adult services. Redundancy The following tables, from the “Mental Health Bulletin MHMDS annual returns, 2011”, present the number of Barry Gardiner: To ask the Secretary of State for adults using national health service funded secondary Health (1) how many redundancies have been mental health services by treatment, gender, and age for announced in the Medicines and Healthcare products each of the years for which figures are available: Regulatory Agency in each of the last 12 months; and Number of people using adult NHS funded secondary mental health services by how many people have been made redundant; [88378] gender and five year age band, 2010-11 Non- (2) whether his Department imposes a limit on the Admitted admitted No care1 Total number of staff employed at the Medicines and [88654] Total 106,719 1,094,138 86,873 1,287,730 Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. number of people Mr Simon Burns: There are no limits placed on the amount of staff employed at the Medicines and Healthcare Male 56,058 479,606 37,269 572,933 products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). Under 15 10 2,499 222 2,731 117W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 118W

Number of people using adult NHS funded secondary mental health services by Number of people using adult NHS funded secondary mental health services by gender and five year age band, 2010-11 gender and five year age band, 2010-11 Non- Non- Admitted admitted No care1 Total Admitted admitted No care1 Total

15 to 19 1,751 20,283 2,414 24,448 15 to 19 1,651 27,287 3,336 32,274 20 to 24 3,169 41,000 5,018 49,187 20 to 24 4,863 33,749 3,589 42,201 1 ‘No care’ refers to an open spell of care but there was no evidence of contact with services. This may include inappropriate referrals, people who did not attend for appointments and people whose treatment is yet to start. Female 50,625 614,159 49,542 714,326 Source: Under 15 19 1,787 179 1,985 Health and Social Care Information Centre MHMDS) 2010-11 annual returns

Number of people using mental health services by gender and age, 2006-07 to 2010-11 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11

Total 1,151,260 1,190,542 1,222,365 1,270,731 1,285,594

Male 517,373 528,372 542,835 562,669 571,567 Under 16 16,801 12,579 7,644 4,331 3,697 16 to 17 7,730 7,684 8,604 7,856 8,038 18 to 35 152,222 152,584 156,395 159,578 159,887

Female 631,378 659,245 677,102 706,381 713,571 Under 16 11,517 9,129 6,010 3,772 3,452 16 to 17 9,718 10,597 11,745 10,979 11,380 18 to 35 160,465 166,100 170,394 177,395 177,483 Source: Health and Social Care Information Centre MHMDS 2006-07 to 2010-11 annual returns

Muscular Dystrophy Paul Burstow: We welcome the National Audit Office report on services for people with neurological conditions. Alok Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for The report is now being studied carefully and the Health what plans he has to (a) provide integrated care Government note the report’s recommendations. We processes and (b) establish managed clinical networks will respond to the report at the Public Accounts Committee for neuromuscular conditions; and if he will make a hearing on 18 January 2012. statement. [87237] Julian Sturdy: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what assessment he has made of the role of the Paul Burstow: During 2010-11, the 10 regional specialised National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence commissioning groups (SCGs) and the national specialised clinical guidelines in the convergence of commissioning commissioning team (NSCT) collaborated to produce a policies for specialised neurosurgery across England. detailed work plan for neuromuscular services. [88638] This neuromuscular workstream is led by East of England SCG, working with the individual SCG/NSCT Paul Burstow: The National Institute for Health and neuromuscular leads. In July, a more formal group was Clinical Excellence has published a number of clinical established and the existing work plan was enlarged to guidelines which have impacted on the delivery of specialised include communications and engagement. neurosurgery including those for head injury, epilepsy, back pain, metastatic spinal cord compression, Parkinson’s A workshop to which patients, carers and support Disease, stroke and the Improving Outcomes Guidance organisations were invited was held in December 2011. for Central Nervous System tumours. Each of these At this workshop the SCGs presented draft service include standards of care which will be included in a specifications for neuromuscular services and for wheelchair national commissioning specification for specialised services. These service specifications, which set out the neurosurgery from April 2013. The performance against standards of service that all neuromuscular patients in these standards will be assessed using service specific England should expect to receive, will be consulted on quality measures. and then finalised by April 2012, when the SCGs will NHS start to implement them. At this workshop it was also announced that a national Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for lead for specialist neuromuscular care would be appointed. Health what assessment he has made of the performance of early implementer (a) health and wellbeing boards Neurology and (b) local healthwatch organisations in encouraging (i) children and young people and (ii) people with mental health problems to contribute to shaping local Karl McCartney: To ask the Secretary of State for NHS services. [87911] Health with reference to the report by the National Audit Office on Services for people with neurological Paul Burstow: Health and wellbeing boards will increase conditions, HC 1586, what steps he plans to take to the influence of local people in shaping services, so that ensure that people with neurological conditions are local services can better meet local needs. They will have supported in the community and avoid unnecessary a duty to involve local people in the Joint Strategic hospital stays. [88563] Needs Assessment and joint health and wellbeing strategy. 119W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 120W

HealthWatch organisations must be inclusive and Mr Simon Burns: The following figures are pension fully representative of all those in the communities they payments made to pensioners, widows and dependants. serve, including the interests of children and young people and those with mental health problems. £ billion

It is for health and wellbeing boards and HealthWatch 2008-09 4.173 organisations to establish their own local arrangements 2009-10 4.567 to meet these expectations and to engage effectively 2010-11 4.852 with local people. We are working with early implementer health and wellbeing boards through a National Learning Network, and with HealthWatch pathfinders, to support The data has been provided by the NHS Pensions them as they establish how best to do this. Agency and the totals do not include lump sum payments.

NHS: Drugs Rachel Reeves: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how much was paid in contributions to the NHS Pension Scheme by NHS (a) employees and (b) Mr Holloway: To ask the Secretary of State for employers in 2008-09. [88077] Health what steps he is taking to ensure drugs approved by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence are made available to all patients in Mr Simon Burns: Contributions made to the NHS the NHS. [88277] pension scheme in 2008-09 by employees were £2.547 billion and employer contributions were £5,007 billion. Mr Lansley: The national health service is required to This data was provided by the NHS Pensions Agency. fund drugs and technologies recommended in National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) technology appraisals, in line with the NHS Constitution. NHS: Redundancy Pay The NHS chief executive’s report, “Innovation, Health and Wealth” sets out plans to ensure rapid and consistent implementation of NICE technology appraisal Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for recommendations throughout the NHS. Health what the total cost of redundancy payments to NHS staff was in 2011. [87907] NHS: ICT Mr Simon Burns: The information is not collected in the format requested. Information from the Audited Mr Chope: To ask the Secretary of State for Health NHS (England) Summarised Accounts for the financial (1) what steps he is taking to ensure that NHS trusts year 2010-11 shows that the total resource cost of staff procure third generation Picture Archiving and exit packages for strategic health authorities, primary Communications Systems; [88111] care trusts and national health service trusts in the (2) what estimate he has made of the cost of the (a) 2010-11 financial year was £219.6 million. This figure second and (b) third generation Picture Archiving and includes £87.7 million for compulsory redundancies Communications Systems. [88112] and £131.9 million for other departures. The figure for other departures includes early retirements (excluding Mr Simon Burns: Re-procurement of Picture Archiving those because of ill-health). It is not possible to separately and Communications System (PACS), Radiology identify this cost, or the cost of voluntary redundancies Information System (RIS) and imaging archives for from the data collected. when the original Local Service Provider (LSP) contracts The disclosure in the accounts reports the number expire are the responsibility of the local national health and value of exit packages taken by staff leaving in the service trusts, in line with the Government’s localisation year. The expense associated with these departures may agenda. The Department is providing support to trusts have been recognised in part or in full in a previous as they enter this process including provision of a set of period. NHS defined core requirements that trusts can use to develop their own locally tailored requirements. These The Department does not collect data from NHS requirements combine the best features of the current foundation trusts. Where an NHS trust obtains foundation systems with innovative options that were not available trust status part way through any year, the data provided when the LSP contracts were originally let, and will is only for the part of the year the organisation operated enable trusts to procure more innovative and updated as an NHS trust. technology according to local needs. The re-procurement decisions for PACS, RIS and image archives are made by the local NHS trusts so a Out of Area Treatment: Scotland national estimate of costs has not been made. Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for NHS: Pensions Health how many patients ordinarily resident in Scotland have had elective surgery in hospitals in Rachel Reeves: To ask the Secretary of State for England in each of the last five years. [88158] Health how much was paid in pension payments from the NHS pension scheme in (a) 2008-09, (b) 2009-10 Mr Simon Burns: The information requested is shown and (c) 2010-11. [87956] in the following table: 121W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 122W

Number of finished admission episodes where the patient is resident in local discretion to decide how to use their overall allocation Scotland and treated by the national health service (in England) for to commission services, including radiotherapy services, elective surgery, 2006-07 to 2010-11 to meet the health care needs of their local populations. Activity in English NHS hospitals and English NHS commissioned For the future, the national health service will be held to activity in the independent sector account for the delivery of improved outcomes and, in. Current strategic health authority of order to achieve them, commissioners will need to residence 2010-11 2009-10 2008-09 2007-08 2006-07 ensure that patients have access to radiotherapy where appropriate. The recommendations in the report Scotland 3,580 3,102 2,927 2,750 2,717 ‘Radiotherapy: developing a world-class service for England’ Source: by the National. Radiotherapy Advisory Group (NRAG), Hospital Episode Statistics (HES), The NHS Information Centre for published in May 2007, remain relevant to ensuring that health and social care patients have appropriate access to radiotherapy treatment. Pain: Clinics The recommendations included collecting data nationally so that the public, the NHS and the Department can see Mrs Riordan: To ask the Secretary of State for radiotherapy activity. The Radiotherapy Dataset (RTDS) Health with reference to the Annual Report of the is now fully implemented and ‘Improving Outcomes: A Chief Medical Officer 2008, what steps he is taking to Strategy for Cancer’, published earlier this year, made increase the availability of specialist pain clinics in the the commitment to undertake a detailed analysis of the NHS. [87952] RTDS to ensure that metrics in the NRAG report remain meaningful and current. Paul Burstow: We are putting front-line clinicians in The National Radiotherapy Implementation Group charge of the commissioning of the services needed for supported by the National Cancer Action Team has their local populations, including specialist pain worked with cancer networks and radiotherapy centres management services. Clinical guidance to support to help them plan to meet the capacity and activity commissioners is already available from the National recommendations in the NRAG report of 2007. Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) and from professional organisations, and a series of The Health and Social Care Bill, subject to parliamentary clinical pathways for pain management is being developed approval, proposes that commissioning for specialised by the British Pain Society. We have also asked NICE, services at both a regional and national level will be in subject to further scoping work, to develop one or more future directly commissioned by the NHS Commissioning Quality Standards for pain management which will set Board (NHSCB), from April 2013. No decisions have out the standards of care to which all national health yet been taken on which services will be directly service organisations should aspire. The recently published commissioned by the NHSCB from April 2013. Atlas of Variation, drawing on information from the National Pain Audit, will give commissioners an indication Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Health of where pain management services may in particular (1) pursuant to the answer of 6 September 2011, Official need to be improved. Report, column 587W, on radiotherapy, what his policy Radiotherapy is on penalties for commissioners who do not follow the guidance issued by the National Radiotherapy Implementation Group on providing access to stereotactic Tessa Munt: To ask the Secretary of State for Health radiotherapy body treatment to cancer patients; [87719] (1) pursuant to the answer of 10 October 2011, Official Report, column 312W, on radiotherapy, what steps he (2) pursuant to the answer of 5 December 2011, plans to take to ensure that primary care trusts can Official Report, column 127W, on radiotherapy, if he only use funding to expand radiotherapy capacity in will publish the evidential basis for his statement that 2012-13 for that purpose; [87718] stereotactic body radiotherapy treatment is available to (2) pursuant to the answer of 2 November 2011, NHS patients in a quarter of all radiotherapy centres in Official Report, column 637W, on radiotherapy, if the England. [87739] recommendations made in the National Radiotherapy Advisory Group report, Radiotherapy: developing a Paul Burstow: The National Institute for Health and world-class service for England, are the benchmark for Clinical Excellence (NICE) has not issued any guidance providing patients with appropriate access to on the use Stereotactic Body Radiotherapy (now known radiotherapy treatment; [87737] as Stereotactic Ablative Radiotherapy, SABR). Any (3) if he will impose penalties on commissioners who funding decisions in the absence of NICE guidance do not develop plans which ensure that local should be made by local primary care trusts based on populations have appropriate access to radiotherapy an assessment of the available evidence and taking treatment. [87738] account of individual circumstances. The National Radiotherapy Implementation Group report provides Paul Burstow: Additional funding for the expansion useful information in the absence of NICE guidance. of radiotherapy capacity, as well as existing funding for There are no penalties for commissioners who do not radiotherapy, is included in overall primary care trust follow this type of guidance. (PCT) baseline allocations which amount to around The Department does not monitor the availability, of £85 billion nationally. this treatment. However, the National Cancer Action The Secretary of State for Health, the right hon. Team (NCAT) undertook an informal survey of Member for South Cambridgeshire (Mr Lansley), does radiotherapy centres at the end of 2010. This survey not mandate how much PCTs are to spend on particular concluded that SABR was available in a quarter of all services within these overall allocations. PCTs have centres. NCAT estimates that there are 20 or more 123W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 124W machines capable of delivering SABR and that for Treatment Centres: Runcorn Stereotactic Radiosurgery (mainly for cranial lesions) availability is greater. Derek Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for Health when he plans to make a decision on the future Stem Cells use of the Cheshire and Merseyside Treatment Centre in Runcorn. [88531] Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what recent discussions he has had on the Mr Simon Burns: Decisions regarding the future use future use of stem cells. [87742] of individual independent sector treatment centres are taken by national health service bodies locally in the Anne Milton: The Department keeps developments in context of their overall plans for commissioning local stem cell science under routine review in order to assess services. the potential for improved health care treatments. A period of public consultation has recently ended. Following a review of current national health service NHS Halton and St Helens is exploring options for the stem cell transplant services the report “Future of Unrelated future utilisation of the building. Donor Stem Cell Transplantation in the UK”was published in December 2010. A copy has already been placed in Tuberculosis: Drugs the Library. £4 million was made available for improving United Kingdom stem cell services in this financial year. Also, in July 2011, we published, with the Department Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for of Business, Innovation and Skills, a document entitled Health what recent discussions he has had with his “Taking Stock of Regenerative Medicine in the United European counterparts on the implementation of the Kingdom”, which included consideration of future stem action plan on multi-drug resistant and extremely drug cell therapies. A copy has been placed in the Library. resistant tuberculosis. [88332] Discussions have taken place between the Department and others to agree an appropriate response to the Anne Milton: Although we have had no recent discussions recent European Court of Justice ruling on patenting with other European Ministers on the World Health human embryonic stem cells. Organization’s (WHO) action plan, the European Union’s Strategic Action Plan to tackle antimicrobial resistance published in November 2011 reinforces international Sugar commitment to implementing WHO’S action plan. The Department is actively working with the EU to take Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for Health forward the range of recommendations in their Strategic what discussions he has had on the merits of Action Plan. introducing a responsibility deal relating to drinks with added sugar or artificial sweeteners. [87701] University College Hospital Anne Milton: Ministers have held no discussions on the merits of introducing a responsibility deal relating Mr Cash: To ask the Secretary of State for Health to drinks with added sugar or artificial sweeteners. what the cost to the public purse was of (a) building However, Ministers have held discussions through the and (b) demolishing the hybrid operating theatre at High Level Steering Group of the Public Health University College Hospital; what the cost to the public Responsibility Deal Food Network on developing a purse was of transferring functions for vascular procedures calorie reduction pledge, which could encompass relevant of the hybrid operating theatre at University College action on such drinks. Hospital to the Royal Free Hospital; and what the cost was of employment of consultants as a result of transfer Telemedicine: Care Homes of functions. [87639] Mr Simon Burns: This is a matter for the chair of Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Health what assessment his Department has made of Trust. We have written to the Foundation Trust Chairman, likely savings from using telemedicine technologies in Richard Murley, informing him of the hon. Member’s care homes. [87944] inquiry. He will reply shortly and a copy of the letter will be placed in the Library. Paul Burstow: The Department has not made any formal assessment of likely savings that might result from using telemedicine technologies in care homes. Initial headline findings from the Whole System Demonstrator programme demonstrate that, in the national ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE health service, appropriate use of telehealth can lead to significant reductions in mortality and hospital admissions, Coal Fired Power Stations: Closures leading to efficiency gains. The Whole System Demonstrator programme was set up by the Department to provide an Mr Binley: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy evaluated evidence base on the benefits of telehealth and Climate Change which coal-fired power stations and telecare. will close under the EU Large Combustion Plant We consider that telemedicine also has the potential Directive; and how many running hours remain for to offer benefits in care home settings. each plant. [87886] 125W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 126W

Charles Hendry: Decisions on operation and closure Between April and December 2011 we have had one of coal-fired power stations under the EU Large new apprenticeship start (with the above continuing). Combustion Plant Directive are a commercial matter DECC’s non-departmental bodies have had none. for generators. All future apprenticeships will be based on suitable The following table shows the coal-fired stations that vacancies arising within the Department. DECC’s non- will close under the EU Large Combustion Plant Directive, departmental bodies have none currently planned. along with the running hours remaining for each plant, as at the end of October 2011. Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change how much funding from Hours remaining (as at end October the public purse has been allocated to sponsor Plant 2011) apprenticeships in each of the public bodies for which Cockenzie Units 1 and 2 3,801 his Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 Cockenzie Units 3 and 4 4,769 and March 2011, (b) April 2011 and March 2012 and Didcot A 9,680 (c) April 2012 and March 2013. [88728] Ferrybridge (1 and 2) 9,416 Ironbridge 11,874 Gregory Barker: DECC is responsible for four executive Kingsnorth 5,777 non-departmental public bodies: Tilbury (7 and 8) 7,834. The Civil Nuclear Police Authority Tilbury (9 and 10) 7,446 The Coal Authority Total 60,597 The Nuclear Decommissioning Authority The Committee on Climate Change Coal: Concessions Training in those organisations, including any apprenticeships, is a matter for their management. In Grahame M. Morris: To ask the Secretary of State each of these NDPBs their remit, very small size or for Energy and Climate Change if he has any plans to highly specialist nature make it unlikely that they would buy out the national concessionary fuel entitlements of be suitable for apprenticeships and none of these bodies current recipients. [87905] has therefore allocated specific funding to sponsor internal apprenticeships. Indirectly the Nuclear Decommissioning Gregory Barker: At present there are no current plans Authority funds apprenticeship schemes (as it does to change the existing arrangements of the fuel obligations other staff costs) run by the privately owned site licence under the National Concessionary Fuel scheme (NCFS). companies, which run and decommission the 19 civil The total number of beneficiaries currently in receipt public nuclear legacy sites on behalf of the NDA under of entitlements under the NCFS is c78,000, of which contract. over 83% receive cash in lieu payments. Under the terms of the scheme, beneficiaries can move from solid fuel to Departmental Debt Collection cash entitlements at any time. Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy Grahame M. Morris: To ask the Secretary of State and Climate Change how many times his Department for Energy and Climate Change when he expects the has used the services of debt recovery companies since national concessionary fuel allowance scheme to end. May 2010; which companies were used; and if he will [87906] make a statement. [88368]

Gregory Barker: Based on the latest actuarial modelling, Gregory Barker: DECC has not used services of any the National Concessionary Fuel Scheme will exist for debt recovery company since May 2010. up to further 50 years, i.e. until around 2065. Departmental Apprentices Departmental Equality

Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy Energy and Climate Change how many apprentices and Climate Change what equality impact assessments were employed by each public body for which his his Department has carried out since May 2010; and Department is responsible between (a) April 2010 and for what purpose in each case. [88580] March 2011 and (b) April and December 2011; and how many apprenticeships he expects each public body Gregory Barker: The Department has carried out 10 to sponsor between (i) January and March 2012 and (ii) full equality impact assessments since May 2010. During April 2012 and March 2013. [88727] that time, the Department has also carried out 21 initial screenings exercises assessing the impact of equality on Gregory Barker: April 2010 to March 2011 DECC its policies and procedures. had 14 staff undertaking an apprenticeship programme. A full list of those decisions can be found in the table DECC’s non-departmental bodies have had none. as follows

Title and link to URL Date

GB-wide smart meter roll out for the domestic sector 27 July 2010 Consultation 127W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 128W

Title and link to URL Date http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/smart-meter-imp-prospectus/1485- impact-assessment-smart-metering-implementation-p.pdf

Warm Home Discount Scheme (previously Social Price Support) 2 December 2010 Consultation http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/warm-home-discount/957-ia-warm- home-discount-scheme.pdf

Amendments to the Eligibility Criteria for Warm Front 15 December 2010 Consultation http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/warm-front-eligibility/1030-ia-warm- front-eligibility.pdf

EU Third Package: Articles concerning provision of consumer information 14 January 2011 Final http://www.decc.gov.uk/Media/viewfile.ashx?FilePath=Consultations/eu-third-package/ 1160-ia-third-packageconsumer-info.pdf&filetype=4&minwidth=true

EU Third Package: Provision of third-party access to licence exempt electricity and gas 14 January 2011 networks Final http://www.decc.gov.uk/Media/viewfile.ashx?FilePath=Consultations/eu-third-package/ 1155-ia-third-party-access-licence-exemptions.pdf&filetype=4&minwidth=true

Warm Home Discount Scheme (previously Social Price Support) 28 February 2011 Final http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/warm-home-discount/1308-warm- home-disc-impact-assessment.pdf

Amendments to the Eligibility Criteria for Warm Front 10 March 2011 Final http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/warm-front-eligibility/1442-ia-warm- front-eligibility.pdf

Smart meter rollout for the domestic sector (GB) 30 March 2011 Final http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/smart-meter-imp-prospectus/1485- impact-assessment-smart-metering-implementation-p.pdf

Smart meter rollout for the domestic sector (GB) 18 August 2011 Consultation http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/consultation/smart-metering-imp-prog/2549-smart- meter-rollout-domestic-ia-180811.pdf

Green Deal and Energy Company Obligation 23 November 2011 http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/consultation/green-deal/3603-green-deal-eco-ia.pdf

Initial Screening Equality Impact Assessment for section 37 electric lines (Electricity Act 22 September 2011 1989), necessary wayleaves associated with section 37 retention and development under paragraph 6 of Schedule 4 (Electricity Act1989) or for applications for confirmation of compulsory purchase orders relating to land or rights over land under Schedule 3 (Electricity Act 1989)

Equality Impact Assessment for Climate Change Agreements (CCAs): Initial Screening 21 September 2011

Initial Screening Equality Impact Assessment for section 36 (Electricity Act 1989) biomass 8 July 2011 fuelled electricity generating stations

Initial Screening Equality Impact Assessment for a section 36 (Electricity Act 1989) 30 June 2011 application for a Dry Fuel Storage facility at Sizewell B nuclear power station 129W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 130W

Title and link to URL Date

Initial Screening Equality Impact Assessment for Vocational Qualifications Policy 30 June 2011

Restructuring process and outcomes (initial screening) 15 August 2011

Disabled lift access at 3WHP staff entrance (initial screening) 11 April 2011

Lighting replacement in communal areas at 3WHP. (initial screening) 11 April 2011

Move to 55 Whitehall (initial screening) moving to a full EqIA 7 July 2011

3 Whitehall Place re-stack (initial screening) 23 September 2011

Assessment for The Annual Pay Strategy (initial screening) 11 August 2011

Proposals on the future of Climate Change Agreements 7 July 2011

Offshore carbon dioxide storage licensing regime 27 August 2010

Energy National Policy Statements 18 October 2010

CERT—The role of appliances and consumer electronics in CERT 16 November 2010

Energy Bill 2010-11: Green Deal Impact Assessment 9 December 2010

Energy Bill 2010-11: Continental Shelf 16 May 2011

Impact Assessment of Fourth Carbon Budget Level 16 May 2011

Energy National Policy Statements 23 June 2011

Extending the Carbon Emissions Reduction Target to December 2012 9 December 2010

Energy energy efficiency, renewable energy and to provide assistance with energy costs for vulnerable customers. It is expected Karen Lumley: To ask the Secretary of State for that energy companies will pass the cost of these obligations Energy and Climate Change what estimate he has made onto their various energy customers through their energy of the total cost of levy-funded energy policies in bills. To help ensure that policies achieve their objectives 2010-11 prices between April 2002 and the latest cost effectively and affordably the Government introduced available date; and what estimate he has made of the a framework to control levy funded spending by DECC VAT paid to the Exchequer from such levies. [87511] at Budget 2011. This framework, covering FITs, RO and WHD forms part of the Government’s public Gregory Barker: Levy-funded policies, such as the spending framework which Treasury has responsibility renewables obligation (RO), feed-in tariffs (FITs), warm for. home discount (WHD), energy efficiency commitment The estimated total gross cost (excluding the benefits) (EEC), carbon emissions reduction target (CERT) and of each policy between April 2002 and the latest available Community Energy Saving programme (CESP), place data is shown in the following table. various obligations on energy suppliers in order to drive

Estimated gross cost to date, excluding benefits of Policy Time period considered policies (£ billion, real 2010-11 prices)

Energy efficiency commitment (EEC) I April 2002-March2005 10.5

Energy efficiency commitment (EEC) II April 2005-March 2008 1.0

Carbon emissions reduction target (CERT) April 2008-March 2011 23.3

Carbon emissions reduction target (CERT) extension7 April 2011-November 2011 0.7

Community Energy Saving programme (CESP)7 September 2009-November 2011 30.2

Warm home discount (WHD)7 April 2011-March 2012 40.24

Feed-in tariffs (FITs)7 April 2010-September 2011 50.05 131W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 132W

Estimated gross cost to date, excluding benefits of Policy Time period considered policies (£ billion, real 2010-11 prices)

Renewables obligation (RO)7 April 2002-March2011 67.3 1 Calculations of EEC I, EEC II, are based on an evaluation of costs by Eoin Lees Energy. Available at: http://eoinleesenergy.com/ 2 Calculations of CERT and CERT extension are based on impact assessments published by DECC. 3 Calculations of CESP are based on an impact assessment published by DECC. See: http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/CESP/1_20090710121840_e_@@_CESPIA.pdf 4 Expected expenditure in year 1. See: http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/Consultations/warm-home-discount/1307-gov-response-warm-homes-disc-cons.pdf 5 Ofgem feed-in tariff Newsletters: http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainability/Environment/fits/Newsletter/Pages/Newsletter.aspx 6 Based on Ofgem total annual obligation level and buyout price. Admin costs included in buyout fund post 2009-10 only. 7 Policies active.

It should be stressed that the above figures do not two to three per cent. increase in the average electricity account for the direct benefits to energy consumers bill in 2020. [88516] from these policies and the impact they have in helping to offset costs. For example, the net impact of CERT Charles Hendry: DECC previously estimated that the and EEC I and II is estimated to be a reduction of £61 CCS levy would have added 2-3% (£15-17 in 2009 (in real 2010 prices) on the average household energy prices) to average household electricity bills in 2020. (electricity and gas) bill in 2011 (see: DECC is currently reviewing how CCS projects will http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/about-us/economics- be supported in a cost-effective manner as part of the social-research/3593-estimated-impacts-of-our-policies-on- electricity market reform. energy-prices.pdf There are no estimates of the VAT paid to the Exchequer Energy: Wales from energy levies.

Energy: Billing Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change what representations he has received from the Welsh Government on the Mr Mark Williams: To ask the Secretary of State for transfer of powers relating to energy generation above Energy and Climate Change if he will ensure that the 50MW since May 2011. [88020] same opportunities for fuel bill management are provided to those living in rural areas and those living Charles Hendry: At the British-Irish Council summit in urban areas. [87155] on 20 June 2011, the Welsh First Minister, Carwyn Jones, raised the issue of the transfer of consenting Charles Hendry: The Government are keen to ensure powers for generating stations over 50 MW to the Welsh that all households have access to opportunities to Government. manage their fuel bills. The Check, Switch, Insulate to The First Minister subsequently wrote to the Prime Save campaign, signed up to by Ofgem and all major Minister on 18 July 2011 requesting a formal review of energy suppliers, is aimed at helping all consumers save decision making for major infrastructure projects in on energy bills this winter, whether rural or urban. In Wales. The Secretary of State for Wales, my right hon. addition, Government programmes which support the Friend the Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs installation of household energy efficiency are GB wide Gillan), replied on 2 August 2011 stating that the UK and equally relevant and available to rural and urban Government had not seen any compelling evidence to households. support such a change. Energy: Prices The Secretary of State met the Welsh Minister for the Environment and Sustainable Development, John Griffiths, on 24 November 2011. The issue of consenting for Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for major energy infrastructure in Wales was discussed Energy and Climate Change what representations he during the course of that meeting. has made to energy companies to ensure that consumers on prepayment meters can benefit from the most economical tariffs. [88151] Environment Protection

Charles Hendry: Ofgem is responsible for regulating Alun Cairns: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy gas and electricity supply, including the rules that govern and Climate Change what his policy is on support for switching payment methods. New rules introduced by combined heat and power units; what assessment he Ofgem in 2009 to prevent unfair price differentials, such has made of the effect on users of such units of (a) a as those between different payment methods, have shown carbon floor price and (b) the removal of the levy that prepayment meter customers now pay, on average, exemption certificate; and if he will make a statement. £20 less than standard credit customers for their gas [87842] and electricity. Gregory Barker: The Government recognises the carbon Laura Sandys: To ask the Secretary of State for savings that Good Quality combined-heat and power Energy and Climate Change pursuant to the answer of (CHP) delivers and the role gas CHP plays providing 14 December 2011, Official Report, column 803W, on highly cost-effective energy efficiency within the industrial electricity prices, what the monetary value will be of a sector. 133W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 134W

Budget 2011 announced that from 2013, the new this covered the inclusion of aviation into the EU ETS relief from the carbon price floor for CHP will be (from 2012) and for Phase III (2013-20) as well as introduced and the existing relief from climate change enforcement activity in England. In 2010-11 this grant levy provided through levy exemption certificates removed. amounted to £590,000. A Tax Impact and Information Note on the removal The Debt Management Office (DMO) runs on behalf of the exemption was published on 6 December, alongside of my Department a number of auctions of EU emission the draft legislation, and is available at: allowances according to a published timetable. DECC http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/tiin/tiin700.pdf pays the administration costs of the DMO delivering The Government are working with the CHP Association this service. For auctions in 2010-11 this payment was and its members in order to develop a simpler, direct approximately £240,000. and more cost effective means of support for combined In addition DECC staff are involved in the transposition heat and power stations. of the 2009 EU ETS directive and development of The level of the relief from the carbon price floor for future emissions trading policy. The devolved supplies of fossil fuels to Good Quality CHP stations Administrations also employ staff working on similar that are intended to be used to generate electricity will issues. DECC staff costs for those working on EU ETS be announced at Budget 2012. was approximately £675,000 for the year 2010-11. Fossil Fuel Levy EU Emission Trading Scheme Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Dodds: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy Energy and Climate Change how much revenue was and Climate Change what estimate he has made of the held in the fossil fuel levy fund for England and Wales cost to the public purse of the EU emission trading in the last financial year for which figures are available; scheme in each year since its introduction. [87832] and what estimate he has made of the annual income to the fund in each year to 2018. [88396] Gregory Barker: We do not keep central records of the UK cost of the EU Emissions Trading System (EU Charles Hendry: The Non Fossil Fuel Obligation ETS) to the public purse for each year since its introduction (NFFO) supported renewable electricity, and operated in 2005. Such information could be gathered only at a from 1994 to 2002. It awarded contracts on the basis of disproportionate cost. I can however set out my a set price for electricity over the period of the contract. Department’s expenditure on this over the financial Generators bid for renewable contracts, with the lowest year 2010-11. bidder winning. The EU ETS is largely implemented by the regulators— The money needed to support the NFFO was originally the Environment Agency in England and Wales, the raised by a fossil fuel levy on consumer bills set at 10%. Scottish Environment Protection Agency, the Northern The levy is now set at 0% as the money raised from the Ireland Environment Agency and DECC’s Offshore auction of electricity from NFFO projects covers the Division for the Offshore Oil and Gas industry. All the payments to the NFFO generators. It also produces an regulators operate on a cost recovery basis, charging for excess due to the high electricity price and the sale of their services according to published charging schedules. the ROCs attached. This Fossil Fuel Levy account is The Environment Agency also runs the UK registry, managed by Ofgem, and transferred to the consolidated again on a cost recovery basis. fund held by HMT. In addition DECC gives grant to the Environment The following table shows the revenue held in the Agency to cover set up costs of new activity. In 2010-11 Ofgem Fossil Fuel Levy Account for 2010-11.

2010-11 England and Wales FFL Transfer to HMT Period Balance (£ million) Date £ million

(Q1) June 2010 46 — — (Q2) September 2010 38 July 2010 22 (Q3)December 20l0 29 December 2010 26 (Q4) March 2011 29 March 2011 26

The NFFO scheme is no longer open to new generators, the list of items eligible for funding under the terms of but existing contracts will continue until the last of the Green Deal. [88521] them expires in 2019. No estimate has been made of the annual income to the fund in each year to 2018. However, Gregory Barker: Energy efficient heating circulation since April 2002 the levy rate has remained at 0% and it pumps are not currently on the list of proposed qualifying is reviewed annually based on accumulated income in improvements for the Green Deal, which are set out in the Fossil Fuel Levy account. Annex A to the consultation document. There is an existing process for new technologies to be assessed for Green Deal Scheme inclusion into the Standard Assessment Procedure (SAP) methodology to then be included in the Green Deal. Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change what plans he has to Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy include energy efficient heating circulation pumps on and Climate Change whether the Green Deal will 135W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 136W require that all payments to sub-contractors be made The Government are responsible for setting the within 30 days of the completion of work; and if he framework for nuclear policy; ultimately it will be the will make a statement. [88645] market that determines the proportion of electricity to be provided by nuclear power in the future. Gregory Barker: Payment terms will be a matter dealt Table 1: Nuclear energy supply as a percentage of UK primary energy with in the commercial contracts which will exist between supply, 2001-10 different Green Deal participants. We have however, Nuclearasa included a requirement in the Green Deal code of UK primary Nuclear percentage of practice that participants must undertake to pay suppliers energy supply energy supply UK primary on time, provide clear guidance, and encourage good (ktoe) (ktoe) energy supply practice, in accordance with the Prompt Payment Code. 2001 247,586 21,227 8.6 2002 241,149 20,619 8.6 Natural Gas: Exploration 2003 244,152 20,428 8.4 2004 246,062 18,746 7.6 Tom Greatrex: To ask the Secretary of State for 2005 247,558 19,044 7.7 Energy and Climate Change (1) what assessment he has 2006 244,460 17,889 7.3 made of the report by the United States Environmental 2007 237,236 14,928 6.3 Protection Agency into the effect of hydraulic fracturing 2008 235,041 12,965 5.5 on water pollution; and if he will make a statement; 2009 220,160 16,484 7.5 [87805] 2010 227,710 15,134 6.6 (2) what recent reports he has received on any link Source: between hydraulic fracturing and water pollution; and Primary energy supply and nuclear energy (primary electricity) supply whether he plans to investigate any such links. [87844] data from DUKES (Digest of United Kingdom Energy Statistics) table 1.1-1.3, available at: http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/energy_stats/ Charles Hendry: Consideration of issues relating to source/total/total.aspx potential water pollution are a matter for the respective Table 2: Nuclear electricity supplied as a percentage of total electricity environment agencies in the UK, and assessment of any supplied, 2001-10 relevant information is a matter for them. Nuclearasa Both DECC and the Environment Agency are aware percentage of Total total of the recent draft report issued by the US Environmental electricity Nuclear electricity Protection Agency (EPA) on investigations in the Pavillion supply (GWh) (GWh) supply area of Wyoming. We note that this report is in draft form and subject to review. Government and their agencies 2001 395,177 90,093 22.8 continue to look at reports and analysis emerging from 2002 395,661 87,848 22.2 the US in relation to unconventional gas exploration 2003 400,369 88,686 22.2 and production and to consider its implications for UK 2004 401,418 79,999 19.9 legislation. 2005 406,681 81,618 20.1 2006 404,799 75,451 18.6 Tom Greatrex: To ask the Secretary of State for 2007 401,944 63,028 15.7 Energy and Climate Change whether he has met 2008 399,715 52,486 13.1 representatives of the Environment Agency to discuss 2009 379,601 69,098 18.2 the link between hydraulic fracturing and water 2010 383,791 62,140 16.2 pollution; and if so, when he last met them. [87843] Source: DUKES (Digest of UK Energy Statistics), Electricity: Commodity Charles Hendry: Neither I nor other DECC Ministers Balances, Table 5.1, available at: have met with representatives of the Environment Agency http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/energy_stats/ source/electricity/electricity.aspx to discuss issues relating to hydraulic fracturing. However my officials are in involved in a regular dialogue with all Nuclear Reactors of the UK environment agencies, and other key UK regulators, on issues relating to unconventional gas exploration and hydraulic fracturing. Mr Sanders: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change whether he has made an Nuclear Power assessment of the use in (a) China, (b) Russia and (c) India of thorium reactors to provide a domestic source of low-carbon energy; and whether he has any plans Mr Arbuthnot: To ask the Secretary of State for for the use of such reactors in the UK. [87953] Energy and Climate Change what proportion of the domestic energy supply has been provided by nuclear power in each of the last 10 years; and what targets he Charles Hendry: DECC has not undertaken formal has set for the proportion of domestic energy provided assessments of any development projects for thorium by nuclear power in each of the next 10 years. [87867] fuelled nuclear reactors in China, India or Russia, although we are aware of these countries’ intentions to develop Charles Hendry: Table 1 reports the proportion of such technologies. UK primary energy supply provided by nuclear power Nonetheless, the Department is aware of the potential in each of the last 10 years, 2001-10. Table 2 reports the of thorium reactor designs and is in the process of proportion of ‘gross electricity supplied’ provided by assessing claims over its suitability as an alternative to nuclear power in each of the last 10 years, 2001-10. uranium based reactors in the longer term. 137W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 138W

The current view of thorium reactor technologies and security regulator. The decision to grant interim from the nuclear industry is that, while the science is Statements of Design Acceptability (iSoDAs) was made reasonably sound, developing reactors based on a thorium the Environment Agency. fuel cycle would carry major technological and commercial The timing of new nuclear power stations becoming risks. The resources required to develop these technologies operational in the UK is a matter for industry. Industry to the point at which they might be deployed successfully currently has plans to build 16GW of new nuclear at a commercial scale are also very significant. capacity by 2025. To date, both in the UK and elsewhere in the world, Government will continue to deliver on their facilitative this has prevented private industry and government actions and work with industry to achieve the aim of from investing significantly in the development of the having the first new nuclear power stations generating technology. No thorium reactor design has yet been electricity from around 2018. implemented as a commercial power reactor, while many either exist only on paper or have only had specific Renewable Energy subsystems demonstrated. As an indicator of the challenge of taking this technology further, the Chinese Academy of Sciences estimates a development period of at least Mr Arbuthnot: To ask the Secretary of State for 20 years will be required before a demonstration thorium Energy and Climate Change what proportion of domestic molten salt breeder reactor might be available. energy supply has been provided by renewable energy in each of the last 10 years; whether future targets for such While thorium does not appear to have a part to play supplies have been agreed for the next 10 years; what in the UK’s near to mid-term energy market, we do corresponding targets for reducing carbon emissions maintain an interest in its development. The Secretary have been agreed; and if he will make a statement. of State for Energy and Climate Change, the right hon. [87868] Member for Eastleigh (Chris Huhne), has asked the NNL to look further into the wider benefits of next Gregory Barker: The proportion of UK primary generation reactor designs and to compare the use of energy supply provided from renewable sources over the thorium and uranium fuels in them. We are expecting last 10 years is set out in the following table. the findings to be available in due course. UK primary Tom Greatrex: To ask the Secretary of State for energy supply Renewable Energy and Climate Change what assessment he has (ktoe) energy supply Percentage made of the implications for his Department’s policy 2001 247,586 2,965 1.2 on nuclear power of the Office for Nuclear Development’s 2002 241,149 3,275 1.4 recent decision to grant interim design acceptance of 2003 244,152 3,506 1.4 generic designs for two nuclear reactors. [88179] 2004 246,062 4,065 1.7 2005 247,558 4,841 2.0 Charles Hendry: The decision to grant interim Design 2006 244,460 5,181 2.1 Acceptance Confirmations (iDACs) of generic designs 2007 237,236 5,592 2.4 for two nuclear reactors was made by the Office for 2008 235,041 6,550 2.8 Nuclear Regulation, the UK’s independent nuclear safety 2009 220,160 7,475 3.4 and security regulator. The decision to grant interim 2010 227,710 8,170 3.6 Statements of Design Acceptability (iSoDAs) was made Source: the Environment Agency. Primary energy supply data from DUKES (Digest of United Kingdom It is the Government’s view that the recent decisions Energy Statistics) table 1.1-1.3, available at: http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/energy_stats/ by Office for Nuclear Regulation and Environment source/total/total.aspx * Agency to grant iDACs and iSoDAs respectively of * To note that this is not the same measure as the renewable energy generic designs for the UK EPR (designed by Areva directive measure also referred to in this PQ, which is renewable and EDF Energy) and the AP1000 (designed by energy consumption as a proportion of capped gross final energy Westinghouse Electric Company) reactor designs is a consumption. Renewables supply data from table DUKES 7.1-7.3, available at: key moment and an essential step on the critical path http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/energy_stats/ for delivering safe and secure nuclear new build in the source/renewables/renewables.aspx UK. This signals significant progress, taken by Government, The UK has a binding target under the renewable towards completion of the facilitative actions to encourage energy directive 2009 to produce 15% of its energy from investment in new nuclear build in the UK. renewable sources by 2020, with interim targets of 4% in 2011-12, 5.4% in 2013-14, 7.5% in 2015-16 and 10.2% Tom Greatrex: To ask the Secretary of State for in 2017-18. The Renewable Energy Roadmap published Energy and Climate Change with reference to the in July sets out the trajectory towards meeting our 15% Office for Nuclear Development’s recent decision to renewable energy target and the related interim targets, grant interim design acceptance of generic designs for available at: two nuclear reactors, when he expects new nuclear http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/meeting_energy/ power stations in the UK to be operational. [88180] renewable_ener/re_roadmap/re_roadmap.aspx The roadmap includes illustrative ‘central ranges’ for Charles Hendry: The decision to grant interim Design eight key renewables technologies and while they do not Acceptance Confirmations (iDACs) of generic designs represent technology specific targets or the level of our for two nuclear reactors was made by the Office for ambition, they do show what could be deployed by Nuclear Regulation, the UK’s independent nuclear safety 2020. 139W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 140W

We also have an EU target to reduce greenhouse gas Gregory Barker: In the last six months, I have met emissions by 20% from 1990 levels by 2020. The October with a number of companies where a range of energy 2011 emissions projections in the Carbon Plan (published issues including the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) on 1 December) suggest that the UK is in a strong have been discussed. None of these meetings have been position to deliver on more ambitious carbon budgets exclusively concerning the RHI. out to 2020. We continue to lobby strongly in Europe I have asked my officials to engage with Oftec (Oil for a move to a more ambitious EU 2020 emissions Firing Technical Association) who represent members target and, if successful, we will amend our second and of the oil-fired heating industry. They have provided third carbon budgets accordingly, following effort share useful evidence which we are considering. I therefore do negotiations with other member states, to ensure that not propose to meet members of the oil-fired heating they are consistent with new EU obligations. Further industry at this time. information is available in the Carbon Plan at: http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/tackling-climate- Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for change/carbon-plan/3702-the-carbon-plan-delivering-our-low- Energy and Climate Change when he expects to announce carbon-future.pdf a decision on whether bioliquids will be included in the Renewable Heat Incentive; and if he will make a statement. Renewable Energy: Costs [87863]

Mr Dodds: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy Gregory Barker: As stated in the Renewable Heat and Climate Change what estimate has been made of Incentive policy document (published in March 2011), the cost to the public purse of the EU Renewable we are considering whether to support bioliquids as Energy Directive in each year since its introduction. part of developing the second phase of the scheme. In [87955] the light of the later than expected launch of phase one of the Renewable Heat Incentive and of the changes Gregory Barker: The EU renewable energy directive required by the European Commission, we are reviewing (RED) was introduced in April 2009. Contributing the timetable for the introduction of phase two and will towards renewable deployment under the directive are confirm the timetable early in 2012. the renewables obligation and feed-in tariffs, the combined gross costs of which were £1.1 billion in financial year Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for 2009-10 and £1.3 billion in 2010-11, in nominal prices Energy and Climate Change what discussions he has based on data from Ofgem. A large proportion of this had with (a) Ministers and (b) officials in HM Treasury cost is the renewables obligation, which pre-dates the about the inclusion of bioliquids in the Renewable Heat directive. Incentive. [87864] We do not yet have full cost data for 2011-12 which will include spend on the policies as above, as well as: Gregory Barker: My officials and I have regular the Renewable Heat Premium Payment scheme; discussions with HM Treasury about a range of issues Phase I of the Renewable Heat Incentive which commenced on but there have been no discussions specifically about the 28 November 2011; and possible inclusion of bioliquids in the Renewable Heat transport elements of the RED, which were implemented on Incentive. 15 December 2011. As stated in the Renewable Heat Incentive policy It should be stressed that the above cost figures do document (published in March 2011), we are considering not account for the direct benefits of renewables for the whether to support bioliquids as part of developing the UK economy. Renewables play a key role in the second phase of the scheme. In the light of the later decarbonisation of our energy supply, necessary to than expected launch of phase one of the Renewable meet our obligations under the Climate Change Act. Heat Incentive and of the changes required by the They are crucial to help protect consumers from fossil European Commission, we are reviewing the timetable fuel price fluctuations, help contribute to our long-term for the introduction of phase two and will confirm the energy security, and drive investment in the UK. timetable early in 2012. Total renewable energy consumption increased by 27% from 42.6 TWh in 2008 to 53 TWh in 2010— Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for representing 3.3% of total energy consumed. In addition, Energy and Climate Change (1) whether the latest estimates show that, in the current financial year, introduction of phase two of the Renewable Heating companies have already announced plans for almost Incentive will coincide with the commencement of the £2.5 billion worth of investment in renewable energy Green Deal programme; [87891] projects in the UK. See: (2) whether he plans to publish further guidance in http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/news/pn11_115/ respect of the proposed introduction of phase two of pn11_115.aspx the Renewable Heat Incentive. [87892]

Renewable Energy: Heating Gregory Barker: We are currently developing our proposals for supporting domestic heat and we intend Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for to publish these for public consultation in due course. Energy and Climate Change which companies (a) he In the light of the later than expected launch of Phase and (b) Ministers in his Department have met to One of the RHI and of the changes required by the discuss the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) in the last European Commission, we are reviewing the timetable six months; and if he will meet representatives from the for the introduction of Phase Two. We will be able to oil heating industry to discuss the RHI. [87862] confirm the exact timing early in 2012. 141W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 142W

Renewables Obligation electricity in 2010 (25.7TWh)1 and in line with our long-term goal for large-scale renewable electricity to Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for contribute 108TWh/y of the 234TWh/y of generation Energy and Climate Change what assessment he has needed to meet our 2020 renewable energy target. Our made of the potential effects of his proposals to reform consultation proposals will also encourage substantial the banding of renewables obligation certificates for investment, providing opportunities for jobs and wealth gasification and pyrolysis technologies on (a) investor creation. confidence in the development of generating plant, 1 UK Renewable Energy Roadmap, DECC, July 2011, URN (b) local authority procurement for residual waste 11D/698. treatment processes and (c) the potential development http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/meeting_energy/ of such processes as alternatives to fossil fuels. [87889] renewable_ener/re_roadmap/re_roadmap.aspx

Gregory Barker: The Government’s policy aim is to Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for bring on the deployment of gasification and pyrolysis Energy and Climate Change whether he has calculated technologies, including the most advanced forms, which the potential change in the level of generation from can generate renewable energy efficiently and cost-effectively advanced thermal technologies as a result of the from waste resources that would otherwise go to landfill. Government’s proposed reform of the renewables Our assessment of these issues is set out in the renewables obligation in respect of gasification and pyrolysis obligation banding review consultation published in technologies. [88402] October http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/consultation/ro- Charles Hendry: The renewables obligation banding banding/3235-consultation-ro-banding.pdf review consultation published in October 2011 sets out As part of the consultation process DECC officials are the Government’s proposals in respect of gasification actively engaging with stakeholders to ensure the best and pyrolysis technologies. The impact of our proposals possible evidence base for determining support for on these technologies is discussed in the consultation gasification and pyrolysis technologies in the next banding stage impact assessment published last November. Both period. The Government are due to publish their response documents are available on the Department of Energy to the consultation in spring 2012. and Climate Change’s website at: http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/consultations/ Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for cons_ro_review/cons_ro_review.aspx Energy and Climate Change what consideration he has The Government’s policy aim is to bring on the given to the definition of eligible gasification and pyrolysis deployment of gasification and pyrolysis technologies, technologies in his proposals to reform the banding of including the most advanced forms, which can generate renewable obligation certificates for gasification and renewable energy efficiently and cost-effectively from pyrolysis technologies. [87890] waste resources that would otherwise go to landfill. Because of the small size of the advanced conversion Gregory Barker: The renewables obligation banding technologies sector, the information on costs and review consultation published in October proposed new deployment potential used to inform our consultation definitions for gasification and pyrolysis alongside proposed proposals was limited. We have therefore invited further levels of support from 2013 to 2017. Our proposals are evidence on costs and deployment potential as part of based on deployment evidence and work undertaken by the consultation process to inform our final decision on Arup that the existing definitions are not fully achieving the support levels for gasification and pyrolysis technologies the Government’s policy aim to incentivise efficient and from 1 April 2013. DECC officials are actively engaging cost-effective generation by this sector. Officials are with stakeholders to ensure the best possible evidence actively engaging with developers during the consultation base for determining support for gasification and pyrolysis period on what technologies will be eligible for what technologies in the next banding period. The Government level of support and will use the further evidence provided are due to publish their response to the consultation in to inform our response to the consultation due in spring spring 2012. 2012. Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (1) what assessment he has Energy and Climate Change whether his proposed changes made of the effect on levels of employment in the to the renewables obligation will result in the cancelling renewable energy sector of his proposals to reform the of any proposed renewable projects. [88401] Renewables Obligation Certificate regime for gasification and pyrolysis technologies; [88675] Charles Hendry: The changes to the renewables obligation (RO) proposed by Government are intended to bring on (2) whether he has made an estimate of the number the most cost-effective and affordable deployment and of infrastructure projects in the advanced thermal to result in substantially higher levels of renewable technology sector which will not proceed under his electricity generation than if we were to leave the bands proposal to reform the Renewables Obligation Certificate unchanged. We expect the support levels proposed in regime for gasification and pyrolysis technologies; the RO banding review consultation, published on 20 [88676] October 2011, to help deliver around 70-75 terrawatt-hours (3) what level of savings he expects to accrue from (TWh) of large-scale renewable electricity per year by reducing the Renewables Obligation Certificate payment the end of the banding period in April 2017. This is for electricity generated by standard gasification and around three times the amount generated by renewable pyrolysis; [88677] 143W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 144W

(4) what assessment he has made of the likely effect in the consultants’ report (“Updates to feed in tariff on investor confidence of his proposal to reform the model—documentation of changes for solar PV definitions for the award of Renewables Obligation consultation”) and specifically Annex B (“References Certificates for gasification and pyrolysis technologies for cost and potential data updates”), which supplements after the passage of the Renewables Obligation Order the Impact Assessment and can be found on our website: 2009 and before the introduction of electricity market www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/consultations/fits_comp _rev1/ reforms. [88678] fits_comp_rev1.aspx

Charles Hendry: The Renewables Obligation banding Sir Alan Beith: To ask the Secretary of State for review consultation published in October 2011 sets out Energy and Climate Change when he expects to the Government’s proposals in respect of gasification publish his response to the consultation on the solar and pyrolysis technologies. The impact of our proposals power feed-in tariff. [88755] on these technologies is discussed in the consultation Gregory Barker: The consultation will conclude on stage Impact Assessment published last November. Both 23 December 2011. This will be followed by consideration documents are available on the Department of Energy of responses to consultation, after which a Government and Climate Change’s website at: response will be published and any changes will be http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/consultations/cons subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. We are proposing _ro_review/cons_ro_review.aspx that changes to the tariffs will come into effect on 1 The Government’s policy aim is to bring on the April 2012. deployment of gasification and pyrolysis technologies, Wind Power: Planning Permission including the most advanced forms, which can generate renewable energy efficiently and cost-effectively from Andrea Leadsom: To ask the Secretary of State for waste resources that would otherwise go to landfill. Energy and Climate Change what directions he has Because of the small size of the advanced conversion issued on the treatment of the viability of a wind farm technologies sector, the information on costs and application as material planning consideration. [88560] deployment potential used to inform our consultation proposals was limited. We have therefore invited further Charles Hendry: Current planning policy advises that evidence on costs and deployment potential as part of the economics of a scheme are a matter for the technical the consultation process to inform our final decision on and commercial judgement of the wind farm applicant, the support levels for gasification and pyrolysis technologies as with all other planning applications. from 1 April 2013. DECC officials are actively engaging with stakeholders to ensure the best possible evidence base for determining support for gasification and pyrolysis technologies in the next banding period. The Government INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT are due to publish their response to the consultation in Arms Trade spring 2012. Solar Power Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what (a) bi-lateral and (b) Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy multi-lateral meetings (i) he and (ii) his officials have and Climate Change what discussions his Department had with their international counterparts to discuss the has had with industry to encourage the take-up of importance of securing a robust Arms Trade Treaty in integrated solar systems; and if he will make a preparation for the final Preparatory Committee in February 2012. [88049] statement. [88644] Mr Andrew Mitchell: Securing a robust and effective Gregory Barker: Ministers and officials meet regularly Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is a priority for the Government. with a range of stakeholders from the solar photovoltaic Department for International Development officials industry. regularly raise the Treaty with their international Details of meetings between DECC Ministers and counterparts to highlight the importance of an ATT external organisations are published quarterly on the and to understand the positions of other states. The DECC website. UK delegation to the Arms Trade Treaty has regular meetings with other states, for example, with the European Solar Power: Feed-in Tariffs Union and with the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (P5). Dr Whitehead: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change how many companies his Mr Ivan Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for (a) Department and (b) consultants contacted directly International Development how many of his Department’s for cost information to inform the proposals to change officials at each grade are working on the Arms Trade feed-in tariffs in respect of (i) rent a roof or free solar, Treaty negotiations; whether there has been any change (ii) social housing and (iii) private installations; and if in the personnel leading on this matter; and whether he he will list the average cost per kilowatt of installed expects any further changes to be made before July capacity in each of these categories. [88520] 2012. [88060]

Gregory Barker: DECC officials and consultants have Mr Andrew Mitchell: The Foreign and Commonwealth met with a broad range of companies during the process Office’s Counter Proliferation Department lead on the of reviewing the Feed-in Tariffs scheme. The cost negotiation of an Arms Trade Treaty and are supported information gathered during these meetings is reflected by officials from the Department for International 145W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 146W

Development (DFID), as well as from other Departments. (2) if she will consider introducing a duty on social DFID is committed to continuing its presence on the media providers to co-operate with the police during UK’s Arms Trade Treaty delegation. any investigation into stalking or harassment under the provisions of the Protection from Harassment Act Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for 1997. [87531] International Development which representatives from his Department have attended each of the UN Lynne Featherstone: The Protection from Harassment Preparatory Committee meetings for the International Act 1997 covers all situations where a perpetrator pursues Arms Trade Treaty; and which representatives from his a course of conduct which amounts to harassment—it Department will attend the meeting in February 2012. does not matter whether the conduct was committed [88617] online or offline. This is a challenging international problem, with Mr Andrew Mitchell: The UK Delegation has included social media providers and internet servers often located an official from the Department for Intentional outside UK borders. On 11 July 2011, the Home Office Development at each of the UN preparatory committees helped to organise a ministerial seminar on personal and will continue to do so at the Treaty Negotiating harm on the internet with internet service providers, Conference. social media providers, charities and victims. One of the Departmental Debt Collection key themes of the seminar was cyber-stalking and a range of perspectives from victims, academics and Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for operational experts has informed the Government’s International Development how many times his ongoing work in this area. Department has used the services of debt recovery The Government launched a consultation on stalking companies since May 2010; which companies were used; on 14 November 2011 to ask for views on how we can and if he will make a statement. [88371] protect victims of stalking more effectively.The consultation incorporates a number of issues, including cyber stalking, Mr Duncan: The Department for International current legislation, and search powers. The consultation Development has not used the services of debt recovery will remain open until 5 February 2012. companies since May 2010. Age: Discrimination Developing Countries: Water Tom Brake: To ask the Secretary of State for the Mr Foster: To ask the Secretary of State for Home Department when she plans to publish her International Development when he plans to publish response to her Department’s consultation on ending the outcome of his Department’s review of its support age discrimination in services, public functions and for water and sanitation programmes. [87865] associations. [87939]

Mr O’Brien: The Department for International Lynne Featherstone: The Government response to the Development (DFID) is currently reviewing its work on consultation on exceptions to the proposed ban on age water and sanitation to see how we can achieve even discrimination will be published in due course. more results and better value for money. This includes Alcoholic Drinks: Antisocial Behaviour looking at the effectiveness of programmes in improving health outcomes. Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the The results of this review will be available early in Home Department (1) what steps she is taking to 2012. encourage the use of temporary banning orders by Nigeria: Equality police forces to deal with alcohol-related anti-social behaviour; and if she will make a statement; [88417] Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for (2) what steps she is taking to encourage the use International Development what development programmes of drink banning orders; and if she will make a statement. funded by his Department aim at promoting equality in [88416] Nigeria. [87553] James Brokenshire: The Government are committed Mr Andrew Mitchell: Equitable economic growth and to ensuring that alcohol is no longer the driver of crime fair access to health care and education are critical for and disorder and unacceptable harms that it has been sustained development in Nigeria. The Department for over the past decade. We are giving the police and International Development (DFID) programmes in Nigeria statutory authorities the powers to enable them to do promote equality. this. We are currently reviewing the effectiveness of drink banning orders and interim drink banning orders following our consultation on reforming powers to tackle antisocial behaviour. HOME DEPARTMENT Animal Experiments Stalking And Harassment: Internet Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the John McDonnell: To ask the Secretary of State for Home Department how many independent inspections the Home Department (1) whether she has any plans to of laboratories conducting animal research there have negotiate a code of conduct in respect of stalking and been in each year since 1997; and how many such harassment with social media providers; [87530] inspections she expects to take place in 2012. [88419] 147W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 148W

Lynne Featherstone: The number of visits to continue to liaise with all interested parties to ensure establishments designated under the Animals (Scientific that all granted licences for this purpose fulfil the Procedures) Act 1986 by the Animals in Science Regulation requirements of the 1986 Act, now and in the future, Unit Inspectorate from 1997 to 2010 is in the table. The and we will continue to monitor developments. number of visits for 2011 will not be available until the One of the key aims of European directive 2010/63/EU end of January 2012. on the protection of animals used for scientific purposes I am not in a position to estimate future numbers of is to promote the use of alternatives and to harmonise inspections by the Home Office Inspectors. The inspectorate standards across Europe. United Kingdom officials actively will continue to take a risk-based approach to the supported this aim in the negotiation of this directive planning and execution of the inspection programme. including support for the inclusion of a requirement for thematic reviews which are intended to help to identify Number of visits for the purpose where alternatives can be most effective. of inspection or work in progress

2010 1,984 Animal Experiments: Primates 2009 1,994 2008 2,088 Chris Williamson: To ask the Secretary of State for 2007 2,401 the Home Department with reference to European 2006 2,381 Directive 2010/63/EU on the protection of animals 2005 2,383 used for scientific purposes, what her policy is on the 2004 2,682 use of alternative centres that do not restock their 2003 2,576 breeding animals from the wild and whose non-human 2002 2,264 primates are all purpose and captive bred. [87117] 2001 2,009 2000 2,235 Lynne Featherstone: Our policy is that non-human primates used in scientific research must be born and 1999 2,174 bred in the UK and obtained from designated UK 1998 2,163 breeders/suppliers. 1997 1,893 However, importation of animals may be allowed if sufficient animals are not available in the UK of the Animal Experiments: Botulinum Toxin appropriate age range or for some long-term programmes of work that require consistency of source of non-human Chris Williamson: To ask the Secretary of State for primates for scientific reasons. the Home Department what progress her Department We prefer that the imported animals are F2 non-human has made on promoting the use of alternatives to primates or animals sourced from self-sustaining colonies. animals as soon as is practicable; whether she plans to However the use of wild-caught breeding animals is stop authorising the use of mice for the potency testing only one of the criteria by which centres are assessed. of botulism; and what discussions she has had with her Not using wild-caught breeding animals does not of international counterparts on proposals to strengthen itself make a centre acceptable. regulations on the use of animals in scientific The breeding centre should have a policy of reducing procedures. [87716] dependence on wild-caught animals for future breeding stock. The number of wild-caught animals introduced Lynne Featherstone: We continue to promote the into the colony for breeding should be in accordance development of alternatives through effective with restrictions imposed by the national authority. implementation of the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Where the breeding centre is capturing wild or feral Act 1986, through continuing support for the National primates it should have a clearly defined and effective Centre for Replacement, Refinement and Reduction of process for ensuring that any person trapping primates Animals in Research (NC3Rs) and through discussions, is adequately trained and supervised in humane methods as necessary, with other Government Departments. In of capture. addition, the coalition agreement includes two commitments relating to the use of animals in scientific research: Chris Williamson: To ask the Secretary of State for to work to reduce the use of animals in scientific research and the Home Department what assessment she has made to end the testing of household products on animals. of the effect on the prospects for successful implementation The first commitment is being delivered through a of her policy to reduce dependence on wild caught science-led programme led by the NC3Rs and the second animals for breeding and supply of animals for scientific using the licensing powers provided by the 1986 Act. purposes to the UK of (a) the location of supply With regard to potency testing of botulinum toxin, centres outside the jurisdiction of the UK and (b) the under the 1986 Act, no testing may be authorised which need to identify different generational offspring. [87229] requires the use of protected animals when an alternative test, not requiring their use, can be used. At present, Lynne Featherstone: Overseas centres that currently European legislation requires the use of either the mouse use wild-caught animals are making significant progress bioassay or a product-specific, scientifically-validated towards building up numbers of F1+ breeding animals. alternative for testing both the potency and safety of This takes time as breeding animals are typically used botulinum toxin. We are aware of a non-animal alternative for 10 years and F1 offspring take several years to reach test which has been approved for testing a specific sexual maturity. The most recent round of appraisals botulinum toxin product in other geographical regions, suggested that good progress is being made at the but this is not yet approved in the European Union. We Mauritian centres currently being used. 149W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 150W

It is sensible to have acceptable supply centres in been open for (a) one year, (b) two years, (c) three more than one country as it is possible that a centre or years, (d) four years and (e) five years or more. country could become unusable without notice due to a [79715] number of factors completely outside the control of users such as economic, political, health and transport Damian Green: The number of open cases in the new issues. asylum model, also known as the asylum work in progress The captive bred filial status of non-human primates caseload (WiP) was published on the HM Government (F1, F2, F2+ etc.), where deducible from knowledge of website in August 2011 reflecting June data. The breakdown the centres’ practices and/or from individual records, is is shown in the following table: one of the pieces of information that is supplied to the Home Office in a report following each acquisition. Age of cases (months) WiP as at end June 11 Arrest Warrants 12-24 7,088 24-36 9,262 36-48 7,835 Martin Horwood: To ask the Secretary of State for 48-60 3,403 the Home Department how many people have been sent to the UK under the European Arrest Warrant, in All cases that are over 60 months belong to the Case order to face prosecution, in each year since its Assurance and Audit Unit (CAAU). There are 17,0001) inception, by type of offence; and if she will make a of these in the live case cohort, as well as 93,0001 cases statement. [78626] in the controlled archive. Damian Green [holding answer 7 November 2011]: All figures quoted are management information which Due to the way that the data is recorded, it is not has been subject to internal quality checks. possible for these figures to be broken down by the 1 Figures rounded to the nearest thousand. number returned to face prosecution or to serve an existing sentence in each year without a manual examination Shabana Mahmood: To ask the Secretary of State for of each individual case file. This would incur a the Home Department how many asylum claims were disproportionate cost. concluded within (a) six, (b) 12, (c) 18 and (d) 24 months in each of the last five years. [81481] Asylum Damian Green: The number of asylum claims concluded Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for the in (a) 6, (b) 12, (c) 18 and (d) 24 months in each of Home Department how many asylum case files have the last five years is listed in the following table:

Number 2007 2008 2009 2010 20111

Concluded in six months 8924 9711 9501 9146 5856 Concluded in 12-months 10589 11748 11884 10613 n/a2 Concluded in 18-months 11519 12970 13289 11120 n/a2 Concluded in 24-months 12156 14018 14324 11170 n/a2 1 The 2011 figures are from January-September 2011. 2 We are unable to supply these figures as we have not yet reached the 12-month, 18-month, 24-month conclusion periods for asylum cases received in 2011. Notes: 1. Figures are cumulative; therefore cases concluded within 24-months include all cases concluded within six, 12, and 18-months. 2. All figures quoted are management information which have been subject to internal quality checks.

Priti Patel: To ask the Secretary of State for the Total (£) Home Department how much was paid in compensation to asylum seekers in each of the last five 2009 200,000.00 years; and what the 20 largest sums of compensation 2009 195,675.00 paid out in individual cases were in each of the last five 2009 150,000.00 years. [86693] 2009 110,000.00 2009 105,000.00 Damian Green: The UK Border Agency prepares its 2009 100,500.00 accounts in accordance with International Financial 2009 100,000.00 Reporting Standards adapted for the public sector in 2009 100,000.00 accordance with guidance issued by HM Treasury. 2009 90,000.00 The UK Border Agency has previously reported the 2009 70,000.00 total amount of compensation payments made in its 2009 70,000.00 annual resource accounts. However, it is not possible to 2009 62,500,00 disaggregate these totals without incurring disproportionate 2009 60,000.00 costs. It is also not possible to identify separately only 2009 55,000.00 those payments made to asylum-seekers without incurring 2009 50,000.00 disproportionate costs. 2009 45,000.00 The 20 largest sums of compensation per year since 2009 45,000.00 2009 are shown in the following table. Data prior to this 2009 33,000.00 point are not held centrally. 151W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 152W

Of those awaiting removal, some will have been returned Total (£) to immigration detention. Where detention is not 2009 30,100.00 possible—or example if there are barriers to removal 2009 30,000.00 such as difficulties in obtaining travel documents— 2010 138,000.00 individuals must report regularly to the UK Border 2010 130,000.00 Agency. 2010 110,000.00 Furthermore, some may have left the country voluntarily 2010 105,000.00 without informing the UK Border Agency. 2010 85,000.00 All figures quoted are management information which 2010 82,804.00 has been subject to internal quality checks. 2010 82,000.00 2010 75,000.00 Brodie Clark 2010 75,000.00 2010 70,000.00 2010 60,000.00 Mr Spellar: To ask the Secretary of State for the 2010 60,000.00 Home Department when in 2011 (a) she and (b) the 2010 60,000.00 Minister of State for Immigration had meetings with 2010 58,500.00 Brodie Clark. [80505] 2010 57,500.00 2010 56,000.00 Damian Green [holding answer 14 November 2011]: 2010 55,000.00 Home Office Ministers have meetings with a wide variety 2010 48,000.00 of partners, as well as organisations and individuals in 2010 47,500.00 the public and private sectors, as part of the process of 2010 45,000.00 policy development and delivery. As was the case with 2011 170,000.00 previous administrations, it is not the Government’s 2011 150,000.00 practice to provide details of all such meetings. 2011 150,000.00 2011 122,000.00 Burglary 2011 121,500.00 2011 110,000.00 John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for the 2011 102,500.00 Home Department what information her Department 2011 100,000.00 holds on the number of shed burglaries in Nottinghamshire 2011 92,500.00 which were categorised as (a) burglaries and (b) other 2011 90,000.00 forms of crime in 2011. [87328] 2011 87,000.00 2011 85,000.00 James Brokenshire [holding answer 19 December 2011]: 2011 85,000.00 Information is not available on how shed burglaries 2011 84,896.00 have been categorised in Nottinghamshire from the 2011 84,000.00 police recorded crime statistics collected by the Home 2011 82,000.00 Office. 2011 72,000.00 2011 70,000.00 Civil Disorder 2011 65,000.00 2011 65,000.00 Joan Walley: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether the funds provided by her British Nationality Department in respect of compensation following the public disorder of August 2011 are allocated from existing budgets; and if she will make a statement. [71788] Priti Patel: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department with reference to the detention data Nick Herbert: Funding allocated by the Home Office tables Immigration Statistics April to June 2011, how following the public disorder of August 2011 is not many detainees granted temporary admission or being taken from the police funding settlement. It has release were subsequently (a) removed from the UK, been allocated from savings in other areas and from the (b) allowed to remain in the UK and (c) granted a Department’s contingency provision. different status. [82114] Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Damian Green: With reference to the detention data Home Department pursuant to the answer to the hon. tables immigration Statistics April June 2011. Member for Morecambe and Lunesdale of 24 November Of the 7,345 individuals who were granted temporary 2011, Official Report, column 481W, on civil disorder, admission or release on leaving detention in 2010, 1,544 how the Riot (Damages) Act 1886 will be reviewed; individuals have subsequently been removed from the which external organisations will be consulted as part UK, and 2,316 individuals have subsequently been granted of the review; and when she expects the review to be leave to remain in the UK. completed. [84255] The remaining individuals are either in the process of being removed or awaiting a final decision on their Nick Herbert: We want to ensure that we consider all cases. Some may have appealed against earlier decisions learning derived from last August’s disorder, including or submitted new applications. consultation with people affected by the disorder and 153W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 154W organisations involved in the recovery. The review is James Brokenshire: My Department has not made expected to be completed by the end of this financial any assessment of the effect of crime on the commercial year. viability of high streets.

Stella Creasy: To ask the Secretary of State for the Crime: Economic Situation Home Department if she will place in the Library a copy of the letter she sent to Chairs of Police Authorities Sadiq Khan: To ask the Secretary of State for the with guidance on her Department’s response to the Home Department what estimate she has made of the public disorder of August 2011, including proposed cost of personal and household crime to the economy amendments to the regulations under the Riot (Damages) in 2010. [87333] Act 1886 and details of the bureau established to receive and assess claims from those without insurance. [88711] James Brokenshire [holding answer 19 December 2011]: In 2005, the Home Office published estimates of the Nick Herbert: A copy of the letter dated 12 August costs of crime in England and Wales for the year 2011 from the Secretary of State for the Home Department, 2003-04. The total burden of crime against individuals my right hon. Friend the Member for Maidenhead and households was estimated to be £36.2 billion. Updated (Mrs May), to chairs of police authorities will be placed cost estimates of specific crime types were published in in the Library. In August, the Home Secretary made 2011, but the Home Office has not published any more regulations under the Riot (Damages) Act 1886 to recent estimates of the total cost of crime to the economy. increase the time in which people could submit Crime: Scotland compensation claims to police authorities from 14 days to 42. A review of the Riot (Damages) Act 1886 is under way and will consider all options for reform. Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for the There are therefore not yet any specific proposed Home Department when she last met the Cabinet amendments to the regulations. The bureau set up in Secretary for Justice in the Scottish Government to August by the Home Office to help prepare claims from discuss serious and organised crime. [88159] the uninsured to be sent to police authorities with a recommendation for payment is still operational and Nick Herbert: The Secretary of State for the Home processing claims. Department, my right hon. Friend the Member for Maidenhead (Mrs May), has not met the Cabinet Secretary for Justice in the Scottish Government to discuss serious Stella Creasy: To ask the Secretary of State for the and organised crime. Home Department what response she plans to make to the claim by the Metropolitan Police for special grant Crimes of Violence funding to reimburse the estimated additional costs of Operations Kirkin and Withern and the provisions of Rehman Chishti: To ask the Secretary of State for the the Riot (Damages) Act 1886. [88713] Home Department if she will take steps to ensure that crimes relating to honour-based violence are recorded Nick Herbert: Applications received under special in a separate category from other offences by police grant have been processed; the decision and response to authorities. [87790] the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) will be conveyed imminently. Lynne Featherstone: Crimes relating to honour-based violence can range from emotional abuse and harassment Civil Disorder: Greater London at one end of the spectrum through to serious violence and murder at the other end. Although these crimes are Mr Lammy: To ask the Secretary of State for the recorded as the relevant substantive criminal offence Home Department what meetings she has had with (a) they are also identified by police forces as honour-based the Metropolitan Police Commissioner and (b) the violence. There are no current plans for crimes relating Mayor of London on changes to the Service Mobilisation to honour-based violence to be recorded in a separate Plan of the Metropolitan Police Service following the category. public disorder in London in August 2011. [77982] Rehman Chishti: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps her Department has Nick Herbert: Home Office Ministers and officials taken to develop and implement a national strategy to have meetings with a wide variety of partners, as well as tackle honour-based violence. [87791] organisations and individuals in the public and private sectors, as part of the process of policy development Lynne Featherstone: The Government’s ‘Call to End and delivery.As was the case with previous Administrations, Violence against Women and Girls’ strategy and the it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of supporting action plan includes commitments to tackle all such meetings. honour-based violence, forced marriage and female genital mutilation. Crime In the ‘Action Plan to End Violence Against Women and Girls’ published in March 2011, the Government Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for the committed to reviewing the findings from a honour-based Home Department what assessment she has made of violence local mapping exercise co-ordinated by the the effect of high levels of crime on the commercial Home Office and identify models of effective practice viability of high streets. [88100] to share with local areas, particularly those where awareness 155W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 156W and activity to tackle forms of honour-based violence is Departmental Equality low. The Government are also committed to continuing the delivery of training for specialist and dedicated Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for the prosecutors in issues relating to violence against women Home Department what equality impact assessments and girls, including prosecution of perpetrators of honour her Department has carried out since May 2010; and based violence. for what purpose in each case. [88585]

Debt Collection Damian Green: The Home Office considers equality issues in exercising its functions, to comply with equality Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for the legislation and to ensure that it understands how its Home Department how many times her Department activities will affect different people. It provides information has used the services of debt recovery companies since about this consideration in various ways. In the specified May 2010; which companies were used; and if she will period, this information was sometimes published in make a statement. [88357] the form of an equality impact assessment, although there has never been a legal requirement to produce Damian Green: The number of cases referred to debt such a document. Information about the number of recovery companies between May 2010 and November such documents published by the Home Office is not 2011 were: held centrally and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost. Company Number of cases referred

Fairfax Solicitors 1,944 Departmental Manpower Coltman Warner Cranston LLP 77 Irwin Mitchell Solicitors 69 Pete Wishart: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many UK Border Agency staff Departmental Apprentices were based at (a) London Heathrow, (b) London Gatwick, (c) London Stansted, (d) Birmingham, (e) Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for the Manchester, (f) Leeds, (g) Bristol, (h) Edinburgh, (i) Home Department how many apprentices were employed Glasgow, (j) Aberdeen, (k) Inverness, (l) Prestwick, by each public body for which her Department is responsible (m) Belfast and (n) Cardiff airports in each of the last between (a) April 2010 and March 2011 and (b) April five years. [80544] and December 2011; and how many apprenticeships she expects each public body to sponsor between (i) January Damian Green: The UK Border Force only publishes and March 2012 and (ii) April 2012 and March 2013. resource data at a regional level. [88737] In the last five years there have been a number of re-organisations leading to the merger with HMRC’s Damian Green: Of the Home Office sponsored executive Detection Service creating the UK Border Agency. The non-departmental public bodies, only the Equality and data produced in the following table reflects these Human Rights Commission (EHRC) employed apprentices re-organisations as much as is possible, but there is not during the periods in question, employing three apprentices always a match. The resources transferred from HMRC between April 2010 and March 2011. None of the are only included in the November 2011 figures. All Home Office sponsored executive NDPBs plan to sponsor figures have been rounded to the nearest whole number. any apprenticeships between January and March 2012 and April and March 2013. Current Region Total staff North March 2007 676 Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for the March 2008 444 Home Department how much funding from the public purse has been allocated to sponsor apprenticeships in March 2009 525 each of the public bodies for which her Department is March 2010 472 responsible between (a) April 2010 and March 2011, November 2011 1,027 (b) April 2011 and March 2012 and (c) April 2012 [88738] and March 2013. Central March 2007 — March 2008 528 Damian Green: Of the Home Office sponsored Executive non-departmental public bodies, only the Equality and March 2009 523 Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has allocated funding March 2010 467 to sponsor apprenticeships during the periods in question. November 2011 1,219 The funding from the public purse to sponsor apprenticeships in the EHRC is as follows: Heathrow March 2007 1,362 March 2008 1,194 £ March 2009 1,193 1 (a) Between April 2010 and March 2011 52,997 March 2010 1,117 (b) Between April 2011 and March 2012 0 November 2011 1,569 (c) Between April 2012 and March 2013 0 1 This excludes the costs for employers’ pension and national insurance contributions, as the actual cost information is not held by the Commission. The estimated South and Europe March 2007 2,163 additional cost for this is £13,249. 157W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 158W

of all temporary staff is subject to scrutiny through Current Region Total staff internal approvals processes. Appointments are only March 2008 1,649 made when operationally necessary and when posts March 2009 1,676 cannot be filled by existing staff. March 2010 1,561 November 2011 2,698 Departmental Written Questions Departmental Meetings Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for the Chris Bryant: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many and what proportion of Home Department if she will publish a list of all questions for ordinary written answer received a meetings held between Home Office Ministers and substantive response within (a) 10, (b) 20, (c) 30 and Brodie Clarke between 1 January and 5 November (d) more than 30 sitting days in the 2010-12 session to 2011. [79886] date. [85935]

Damian Green [holding answer 10 November 2011]: Damian Green: The information requested, to 30 Home Office Ministers have meetings with a wide variety November 2011, is provided in the following table: of partners, as well as organisations and individuals in Home Office ordinary written questions for answer, May 2010 to the public and private sectors, as part of the process of November 2011 policy development and delivery. As was the case with Answered Answered Answered Answered previous administrations, it is not the Government’s Month due in 0-10 in 11-20 in 21-30 in over 30 practice to provide details of all such meetings. for answer days days days days Departmental Recruitment 2010 June 199 17 5 1 Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for the July 230 49 4 6 Home Department how much her Department spent September 238 31 2 11 on recruitment agencies in each month since September October 209 20 9 6 2011. [87990] November 288 19 15 3 December 191 11 6 1 Damian Green: Expenditure on recruitment agencies 2011 by the Home Office, including its Executive agencies, in January 214 29 1 0 each month from September through to November February 238 1 0 0 2011 is detailed in the following table. The amounts March 383 27 4 1 include staff costs as well as recruiting agencies’ fees. April 106 7 4 0 May 276 28 1 2 2011 £ June 246 14 5 8 September 1,586,550 July 156 5 8 11 October 1,615,863 September 266 20 16 19 November 1,862,021 October 241 13 5 5 November 300 41 24 6 Departmental Responsibilities The Government have committed to providing the Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for the Procedure Committee with information relating to written Home Department how many meetings she has had parliamentary question performance on a sessional basis with hon. Members of each political party since May and will provide full information to the Committee at 2010. [67163] the end of the Session. Statistics relating to Government Departments’ performance for the 2009-10 parliamentary Damian Green: Home Office Ministers and officials Session were previously provided to the committee and have meetings with a wide variety of partners, as well as are available on the Parliament website. organisations and individuals in the public and private sectors, as part of the process of policy development and delivery.As was the case with previous administrations, Deportation: Offenders it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of all such meetings. Sadiq Khan: To ask the Secretary of State for the Departmental Temporary Staff Home Department how many foreign nationals were deported after having served a custodial sentence in Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for the England and Wales in each year between 1997 and Home Department how many temporary staff were 2010. [87334] recruited to her Department between September and November 2011. [87989] Damian Green [holding answer 19 December 2011]: The following table sets out the number of foreign Damian Green: The Home Office, including executive national offenders removed or deported from the UK agencies, recruited a total of 32 temporary staff during each year. Please note that data prior to 2007 is not the period September to November 2011. Recruitment considered sufficiently reliable. 159W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 160W

Number of foreign national offenders Total reconsideration Reconsiderations in removed or deported decisions claimant’s favour

2007 4,200 February 9,850 4,379 2008 5,395 March 13,008 5,685 2009 5,530 April 9,438 4,029 2010 5,342 May 11,102 4,458 June 11,120 4,626 Disability Living Allowance July 11,104 4,927 August 11,647 5,003 Mr Slaughter: To ask the Secretary of State for the September 11,706 4,899 Home Department how many decisions were revised in October 12,234 5,323 the claimant’s favour at reconsideration stage in respect November 11,848 5,269 Source: of (a) employment and support allowance and (b) Department for Work and Pensions—DLA Management Information Statistics disability living allowance in each month since May 2010. [87926]

Chris Grayling: I have been asked to reply on behalf Domestic Violence: Charitable Trusts of the Department for Work and Pensions. Information on employment and support allowance Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home (ESA) reconsideration decisions is in the following table: Department what her Department’s policy is on encouraging local police forces to engage with Total reconsideration Reconsiderations in charitable organisations in order to co-ordinate action decisions claimant’s favour to tackle domestic violence. [88121] 2010 May 17,507 3,550 Lynne Featherstone: It is for individual police forces June 19,751 3,467 to decide on their policy for engagement with charitable July 22,760 4,187 organisations. We are aware that the Association of August 22,212 4,510 Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has established a national September 22,579 4,594 domestic abuse (DA) Voluntary Sector Group with October 20,058 5,676 representation from national third sector domestic abuse November 20,456 6,489 organisations. December 19,593 5,747

2011 Domestic Violence: Crime Prevention January 22,863 7,048 February 25,055 7,979 Mr Llwyd: To ask the Secretary of State for the March 27,927 8,657 Home Department under what circumstances April 20,898 7,005 restraining orders under section 12 of the Domestic May 24,009 8,030 Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004 have been made June 23,513 7,942 in instances where the defendant has been acquitted. July 22,634 7,261 [87434] August 21,182 6,888 September 22,411 7,359 Lynne Featherstone [holding answer 20 December 2011]: October 20,826 7,049 Information held centrally by the Ministry of Justice on November 18,052 6,814 the Court Proceedings Database does not include all Source: Department for Work and Pensions—Decision Making and Appeals Case the details of the circumstances associated with each Recorder—ESA Management Information Statistics case, beyond the description provided in the statute Information on disability living allowance (DLA) under which proceedings are brought. It is therefore not reconsideration decisions is in the following table: possible to identify under what circumstances restraining orders under section 12 of the Domestic Violence, Total reconsideration Reconsiderations in Crime and Victims Act 2004 have been made in instances decisions claimant’s favour where the defendant has been acquitted. 2010 May 10,498 5,759 Mr Llwyd: To ask the Secretary of State for the June 11,395 5,010 Home Department what range of conducts have been July 11,696 4,934 prohibited following the imposition of restraining orders August 11,037 4,758 under section 12 of the Domestic Violence, Crime and September 13,658 5,644 Victims Act 2004 since its enactment. [87435] October 13,031 5,412 November 13,738 5,861 Lynne Featherstone [holding answer 20 December 2011]: December 9,750 4,166 Information on the range of conducts that have been prohibited following the imposition of restraining orders 2011 under section 12 of the Domestic Violence Crime and January 11,506 4,895 Victims Act 2004 is not collected centrally. 161W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 162W

Drugs and (b) class B drugs the UK Border Agency made in the first six months of 2011. [88421] Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department with reference to section 30 of the Damian Green: The latest drug seizure statistics that Coalition Agreement, what recent progress she has have been produced in accordance with the Home Office’s made in authorising the use of drug analyser Statement of Compliance are contained within the Home technologies. [87497] Office Statistical Bulletin, ‘Seizures of drugs in England and Wales, 2010/11’, published on 10 November 2011, James Brokenshire: Devices must be of a type approved accessed via the following link: by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, my http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research- right hon. Friend the Member for Maidenhead (Mrs statistics/research-statistics/police-research/hosb1711/ May), in order to be authorised for use. Manufacturers hosb1711?view=Binary have submitted six devices for approval. Practical The UK Border Agency made 1,287 seizures of class operational tests of these devices were completed in the A and 1,637 seizures of class B drugs in the period from summer and reports have been presented to the 1 April 2010 until 31 March 2011. manufacturers so that they can make such adjustments as they consider necessary. The type approval process also requires extensive laboratory tests. We are currently Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the finalising arrangements for these. Home Department how much (a) cocaine, (b) crack cocaine, (c) heroin, (d) methadone, (e) herbal Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for the cannabis, (f) cannabis resin and (g) amphetamines Home Department when she expects the Advisory was seized by the UK Border Agency in the first six Council on the Misuse of Drugs to publish the report months of 2011. [88423] of its review of khat. [88102] Damian Green: The latest drug seizure statistics that James Brokenshire: The Advisory Council on the have been produced in accordance with the Home Office’s Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) was requested by the Home Statement of Compliance are contained within the Home Department to review the available evidence on khat, Office Statistical Bulletin, ’Seizures of drugs in England updating its assessment of 2005, and provide advice in and Wales, 2010/11’ (accessed via the following link), relation to control under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 published on 10 November 2011: and a wider response. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research- The ACMD anticipates that the review will be completed statistics/research-statistics/police-research/hosb1711/ by December 2012. hosb1711?view=Binary The following table shows the amount of cocaine, Drugs: Arrests crack cocaine, heroin, herbal cannabis, cannabis resin and amphetamines seized by the UK Border Agency Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the (UKBA) in the period from 1 April 2010 until 31 March Home Department how many people were (a) arrested 2011. Methadone seizures are not included as they for possession of and (b) charged with possession of (i) could not be separately identified from the UKBA’s ecstasy or MDMA, (ii) ketamine, (iii) LSD, (iv) cocaine, recording system. (v) crack cocaine, (vi) heroin, (vii) amphetamines and Drugs seized in the period 1 April 2010 to 31 March 2011 (viii) methadone in each of the last five years. [88427] Type Quantity (kg)

James Brokenshire: The information requested on Cocaine 1,519.3 arrests and charges are not collected centrally. Crack cocaine 13.9 The arrests collection held by the Home Office relates Heroin 420.4 to notifiable offences only, which form the basis of Herbal cannabis 13,596.9 recorded crime statistics. Latest available data are published Cannabis resin 15,343.6 in chapter 1 of the Home Office Statistical Bulletin Amphetamines 137.3 ‘Police Powers and Procedures, England and Wales, Please note the following caveats: 2009-10’, which is available in the Library of the House 1. Drugs can be seized in a variety of forms or preparation types. In this table quantities of drugs have been converted to kg. To present all and online at: seized quantities within a given drug type in terms of one comparable http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research- unit, conversion factors are applied to estimate the overall quantity of statistics/research-statistics/police-research/hosb0711/ the drug. 2. Quantities data for all drugs are not applicable as conversion The data are provided to the Home Office at offence factors are not applied to all drugs. group level, for example violence against the person and 3. Where the quantity of a seizure is recorded as ’trace’ it is not drug offences. As such, it is not possible to separately included in these figures. identify arrests for the possession of specific drugs. It is 4. Includes data from HM Revenue and Customs. Seizures from joint also not possible to match the aggregate data to any operations involving the UKBA and the police are recorded against the lead agency that takes possession of the seized drugs. subsequent outcomes. 5. Weighted items are presented to one decimal place.

Drugs: UK Border Agency Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many ecstasy tablets the UK Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Border Agency seized in the first six months of 2011. Home Department how many seizures of (a) class A [88424] 163W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 164W

Damian Green: The latest drug seizure statistics that suspects that they are under investigation. It is our have been produced in accordance with the Home Office’s usual policy to neither confirm nor deny whether we Statement of Compliance are contained within the Home have received a request for mutual legal assistance because Office Statistical Bulletin, ‘Seizures of drugs in England if we only refused to confirm or deny the existence of a and Wales, 2010/11’, published on 10 November 2011, request on occasions where the foreign criminal proceeding accessed via the following link: would be prejudiced then it would be obvious, on those http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research- occasions, that we had in fact received such a request. statistics/research-statistics/police-research/hosb1711/ Therefore the application of a blanket policy preserves hosb1711?view=Binary the confidentiality of all formal requests for mutual The UK Border Agency seized 300 ecstasy tablets in legal assistance. the period from 1 April 2010 until 31 March 2011. Forced Marriage Drugs: Young People

Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Home Department what discussions she has had with the Home Department what the most common ministerial colleagues in the Department for Education countries of origin are of victims of forced marriages. on the role of personal, social and health education in [87811] preventing young people abusing drugs and alcohol. [88415] Mr Jeremy Browne: I have been asked to reply on behalf of the Department for Foreign and Commonwealth James Brokenshire: My officials are in continuous Affairs. dialogue with their colleagues in the Department for In 2010, the highest proportion of cases reported to Education about drugs education and the important the Forced Marriage Unit (FMU) involved victims with part that it plays in contributing to the drugs strategy a family connection to Pakistan (52%), Bangladesh and in particular the reducing demand strand. Drug (10.3%) or India (8.6%). education is also a subject covered by the Drug Strategy Inter-Ministerial Group upon which Minsters from both the Home Office, Department for Education and other Foreign Nationals: Offenders Departments sit. The continuing discussions at official level also cover Chris Bryant: To ask the Secretary of State for the the imminent cross-Government Alcohol Strategy, which Home Department if she will publish her Department’s will address the full range of harms from alcohol (both report on foreign national offenders awaiting deportation. health and social impacts) and which is due to be [88771] published in 2012 by the Department of Health. Damian Green: The UK Border Agency’s report on Extradition: Russia foreign national offenders is a restricted internal document to Ministers and in line with long standing practice is Mr David: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home not intended for publication. Department for what reasons the Russian Federation is The UK Border Agency chief executive’s update to listed as a Category 2 territory with respect to extradition the Home Affairs Select Committee on 20 December procedures. [87720] 2011 provided information on this cohort of foreign national offenders. A copy of the letter can be found in Damian Green: The UK and Russia are both party to the House Library. the 1957 Council of Europe Convention on Extradition (‘ECE’). As with other parties to the ECE, Russia has been designated as an extradition partner under Part 2 Forensic Science Service of the Extradition Act 2003. Extradition: USA Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether forensic science exhibits related to criminal cases are to be transferred to the Caroline Lucas: To ask the Secretary of State for the National Forensics Archive after the closure of the Home Department pursuant to the answer of 15 December Forensic Science Service; and if she will make a 2011, Official Report, column 864W, on extradition: statement. [88422] USA, for what reason it would prejudice proceedings were the UK to confirm or deny whether the UK authorities have provided evidence or other formal James Brokenshire: Case files and retained materials assistance in support of foreign criminal proceedings. will continue to be held in the Forensic Science Service [88184] (FSS) Archive, which will operate after March 2012 from the two existing FSS archive sites in the west Damian Green: It is established international practice midlands. that formal requests for mutual legal assistance in criminal proceedings are confidential. This is in order to protect Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the the confidentiality of the foreign proceedings, for example Home Department what discussions she has had with by protecting the confidentiality of any witnesses who the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and may be asked to provide or who have already provided Skills on the place of forensic science within her evidence in those proceedings and to avoid tipping off research strategy. [88432] 165W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 166W

James Brokenshire: To date, I have had no such Damian Green: Data from the UK Human Trafficking discussions with the Secretary of State for Business, Centre (UKHTC) for the period 1 April 2009 to 30 June Innovation and Skills, my right hon. Friend the Member 2011 show there have been five referrals where the for Havant (Mr Willetts). potential trafficking victim has been identified as Moldovan. Officials from the Home Office are in contact with A breakdown of referrals to the UKHTC can be found the Higher Education Funding Council for England at: (HEFCE), Research Councils UK (RCUK) and the http://www.soca.gov.uk/about-soca/about-the-ukhtc/national- Technology Strategy Board (TSB) all of which are referral-mechanism/statistics executive non-departmental public bodies sponsored by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. Human Trafficking: Prosecutions

Forensic Science Service: Drugs Justin Tomlinson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many people charged with Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the offences related to human trafficking in the last 12 Home Department what assessment she has made of months have subsequently been prosecuted. [88394] the effect on (a) the future of drug profiling and (b) Dart-MS technology of the closure of the Forensic Damian Green: 30 persons were proceeded against at Science Service. [88412] magistrates courts in 2010 (latest available) for human trafficking offences under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 James Brokenshire: Other forensic service providers and the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants) have the capability to meet the drug profiling and Act 2004. These figures relate to persons for whom toxicology requirements of the National Forensic these offences were the principal offences for which they Framework Agreement and will continue to deliver were dealt with. When a defendant has been found these services to police forces. guilty of two or more offences it is the offence for which the heaviest penalty is imposed. Where the same disposal In addition, for drug profiling, provisions are also is imposed for two or more offences, the offence selected being put in place to ensure that the Serious Organised is the offence for which the statutory maximum penalty Crime Agency (SOCA) has access to the equipment is the most severe. required to deliver the Endorse project. This will be delivered by UK forensics providers as well as European Charging data are not collated centrally by the Ministry partners. of Justice. Annual court proceedings data for 2011 are planned for publication in the spring of 2012. In respect of Direct Analysis in Real Time Mass Spectrometry (DART-MS), as set out in the answer Human Trafficking: Sexual Offences from the Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Equalities and Criminal Information, the hon. Member for Hornsey and Wood Green (Lynne Featherstone), of 5 September Justin Tomlinson: To ask the Secretary of State for 2011, Official Report, column 237W,this is not stipulated the Home Department what her most recent estimate is in any of the work packages of the National Forensic of the level of trafficking in the UK for the purposes of Framework Agreement, and information on this is therefore (a) sexual exploitation, (b) forced labour and (c) not held centrally. domestic servitude. [88634] Damian Green: The UK Human Trafficking Centre is Human Trafficking responsible for collating data on potential human trafficking victims. A breakdown of referrals by exploitation type Michael Connarty: To ask the Secretary of State for can be found at: the Home Department for what reasons she has http://www.soca.gov.uk/about-soca/about-the-ukhtc/national- decided to discontinue the production and publication referral-mechanism/statistics of a human trafficking strategy jointly with the Scottish Government. [86931] John McDonnell: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many people have been Damian Green: The UK Government’s Human charged with (a) trafficking of women prostitute Trafficking strategy was published on 19 July 2011 and offences and (b) controlling sex workers in the London sets out the UK’s response to fighting human trafficking. area since 1 January 2010. [88792] The strategy reflects the UK’s intention to work with international partners and to work smarter at the border Damian Green: Charging data are not collated centrally to prevent traffickers from entering the UK. The strategy by the Ministry of Justice. also sets out the new victim care arrangements introduced Annual court proceedings data for 2011 are planned in England and Wales from 1 July 2011. Similar victim for publication in the spring of 2012. care arrangements are already in place in Scotland. Human Trafficking: Victims Human Trafficking: Moldova Justin Tomlinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Lindsay Roy: To ask the Secretary of State for the the Home Department how many people (a) in each Home Department what assessment she has made of age group and (b) of each nationality and country of the extent of human trafficking between Moldova and origin had been identified as victims of trafficking in the UK. [88352] the latest period for which figures are available. [88395] 167W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 168W

Damian Green: The UK Human Trafficking Centre is Ireland ports and (b) the border with the Irish Republic responsible for collating data on potential human trafficking in each of the last five years. victims. A breakdown of referrals by age and nationality (a) 2007—51, 2008—83, 2009—39, 2010—33 and 2011— can be found at: 30. http://www.soca.gov.uk/about-soca/about-the-ukhtc/national- (b) In 2009, we detained 37 people close to the land referral-mechanism/statistics border in support of a Police Service of Northern Illegal Immigrants Ireland operation. As the Irish/UK land border is a part of the common travel area (CTA), it is not subject to formal immigration controls. Tony Baldry: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department pursuant to the answer of 14 July Immigrants: Detainees 2011, Official Report, column 458W, on illegal immigrants, how many overstayers have been identified Priti Patel: To ask the Secretary of State for the by e-border checks in each of the first nine months of Home Department (1) pursuant to the answer of 14 2011; and how many of those overstayers have now December 2011, Official Report, columns 776-77W, on been removed. [87740] immigrants: detainees, how many of the detainees have subsequently been released from immigration removal Damian Green: The UK Border Agency (UKBA) centres into the UK; and for what reasons; [87731] conducts regular data matching exercises between e-Borders and other UKBA databases to effectively identify outbound (2) pursuant to the answer of 14 December 2011, offenders who have left the country. These figures are Official Report, columns 776-77W, on immigrants: denoted in our internal reports as voluntary departures detainees, how many detainees held in immigration (data matching) removals. removal centres have been convicted of criminal offences in the UK; and for what offences. [87732] The information requested is shown in the following table: Damian Green [holding answer 20 December 2011]: Voluntary departures (data matching) identified and removed, Of the 74 individuals detained for more than 24-months January to September 2011 referred to in the Immigration Statistics April-June Month Individuals removed 2011, as of 16 December 2011, six individuals have been January 555 removed from the UK and 36 have been released from detention. Management information systems are unable February 364 to provide the reasons for release from detention. To March 196 obtain this information would involve looking through April 400 individual files and would incur disproportionate cost. May 404 June 438 Of the 74 individuals detained for more than 24-months July 339 referred to in the Immigration Statistics April-June 2011, all 74 had been convicted of a criminal offence in August 440 the UK. The following table sets out the offences for September 414 which they were convicted. Total 3,550 Notes: Offence type Number of individuals convicted 1. All figures quoted are management information which has been subject to internal quality checks. Drug offences 10 2. Figures include dependants. Motoring offences 4 3. Figures relate to people who it has been established left the UK without informing the immigration authorities, who were later identified Violent crime 6 using data matching. Sex offences 7 4 In line with UK Border Agency methodology the number of outbound Deception 25 cases identified via e-Borders checks as overstayers/immigration offenders, Theft/Robbery/Burglary 17 will be the same as those removed. While the majority of individuals identified in the Other 5 table above will have been overstayers, a small number Immigration will have committed other immigration and criminal offences. We are unable to disaggregate this data within cost threshold. Shabana Mahmood: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what the average processing Illegal Immigrants: Northern Ireland time for indefinite leave to remain was on (a) 1 October 2011 and (b) in each of the last five years. Sammy Wilson: To ask the Secretary of State for the [81482] Home Department what information her Department holds on the number of people who were detained Damian Green: The average processing time for postal while trying to enter the UK illegally through (a) claims made for indefinite leave to remain is as follows: Northern Ireland ports and airports and (b) the border with the Irish Republic in each of the last five Days years. [87909] 2006 60 2007 91 Damian Green: The Department holds the following 2008 102 information on how many people were detained while 2009 139 trying to enter the UK illegally through (a) Northern 169W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 170W

senior care workers in the UK, (b) senior care workers Days who have left the UK and (c) senior care workers 2010 117 granted indefinite leave to remain. [88796] 1 January 2011-30 September 2011 74 Damian Green: An impact assessment on the effects All figures quoted are management information which of the changes made to tiers 1 and 2 of the points-based have been subject to internal quality checks. system in connection with implementation of limits on The UK Border Agency also operate a premium migration was published by the UK Border Agency on service through their Public Enquiry Offices but this is 16 March 2011 and included an assessment of the not reflected in these figures. impact of those changes on the employment of non-EEA workers in the social care sector. Meg Hillier: To ask the Secretary of State for the Immigration Controls Home Department if she will list the (a) ports, (b) airports and (c) other immigration facilities visited by Paul Goggins: To ask the Secretary of State for the the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship between Home Department what meetings (a) Ministers and May 2010 and the end of October 2011; and on what (b) senior officials in her Department have had with (i) date each such visit took place. [81836] airport operators and (ii) airline companies at which border checks were discussed in the last 12 months. Damian Green: Home Office Ministers have meetings [81163] with a wide variety of partners, as well as organisations and individuals in the public and private sectors, as part Damian Green [holding answer 15 November 2011]: of the process of policy development and delivery. As Home Office Ministers and officials have meetings with was the case with previous administrations, it is not the a wide variety of partners, as well as organisations and Government’s practice to provide details of all such individuals in the public and private sectors, as part of meetings. the process of policy development and delivery. As was the case with previous administrations, it is not the Hilary Benn: To ask the Secretary of State for the Government’s practice to provide details of all such Home Department whether it is her policy to prioritise meetings. consideration of valid in-time applications for indefinite leave to remain (ILR) over other applications Immobilisation of Vehicles for ILR. [87216] Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for the Damian Green: There is no prioritisation of valid in Home Department with reference to section 30 of the time applications over any other valid applications for Coalition Agreement, what recent progress she has indefinite leave to remain. Cases are allocated and made in tackling rogue private sector wheel clampers. decided in order of application date unless an applicant [87496] provides suitably compelling or compassionate reasons for a case to be expedited. Lynne Featherstone: Clause 54 of the Protection of Freedoms Bill will make it an offence to immobilise, Teresa Pearce: To ask the Secretary of State for the move or restrict the movement of a vehicle without Home Department how many outstanding immigration lawful authority. In effect, this will ban most clamping cases there are currently in the UK Border Agency- and towing by anyone other than the police, local controlled archive which are not being reviewed and on authorities, bailiffs and other Government agencies. which a decision has not been reached. [87763] Subject to parliamentary approval, this legislation is expected to be enacted by May 2012. Our aim is to Damian Green [holding answer 20 December 2011]: bring the ban on wheel clamping into force as soon as As reported to the Home Affairs Select Committee on possible following Royal Assent. 15 December 2011 we have conducted a detailed analysis of all the cases that could potentially fall into the remit Legal Advice and Assistance of the CAAU and this will result in a total of 93,000 cases in the controlled archive. Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the The controlled archive is actively managed by CAAU; Home Department how much her Department spent all cases are regularly checked against a number of on obtaining external legal advice in each of the last 12 databases and where an applicant is traced the case is months for which figures are available. [88428] removed from the controlled archive and progressed to conclusion. Damian Green: The amounts spent on external legal advice by the Home Office, including its executive agencies CAAU will reassess files every six months. This will for each of the last 12 months is provided in the include bulk checking cases against reporting data and following table. This expenditure relates to legal advice other UK Border Agency databases to see whether provided by third party suppliers external to Government. applicants have re-established contact and bulk checking cases against e-borders data. £ Spend HO and Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for the UKBA CRB IPS Home Department what assessment her Department December 2010 239,163 0 114,059 has made of the effects of the changes in immigration January 2011 2,196,728 0 35,523 rules in 2007 and 2011 on the number of (a) overseas 171W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 172W

Metropolitan Police £ Spend HO and UKBA CRB IPS Mr Andrew Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many of the images held by February 2011 798,852 0 101,327 the Association of Chief Police Officers and transferred March 2011 2,822,002 0 53,411 to the Metropolitan police were subsequently erased as April 2011 1,265,863 0 788 a result of non-compliance with the ruling in Wood vs May 2011 404,935 0 0 MPC for the policing of the metropolis. [88790] June 2011 893,873 0 17,665 July 2011 904,918 0 7,621 August 2011 762,297 0 13,559 Nick Herbert: The Home Office does not hold this September 2011 511,198 0 0 information. The National Domestic Extremism Unit October 2011 1,292,948 0 13,036 regularly reviews its database to ensure compliance with November 2011 1,808,653 0 5,311 the ruling in Wood v. MPC. National Policing Improvement Agency Legal Services Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what progress has been made by the Home Department how many members of the National Policing Improvement Agency on the UK’s Government Legal Service are based in her compliance with EU Council Framework Decision Department. [88429] 2009/905/JHA; and if she will make a statement. [88413] Damian Green: There are 59 members of the Government Legal Service based in the Department. This includes James Brokenshire: A Forensic Quality Standards 54 lawyers in the Legal Adviser’s Branch (four of whom Project has been set up within the National Policing are on maternity leave) and five lawyers in the UK Improvement Agency’s (NPIA) Forensics 21 portfolio Border Agency’s Cash Forfeiture team. The Government to assist police forces with the accreditation process Equalities Office, which has been part of the Department mandated by the EU Council Framework Decision since 1 April 2011, receives legal advice from eight 2009/905/JHA. members of the Government Legal Service which is Police forces are progressing towards the implementation part of the Treasury Solicitor’s Department. deadlines, with eight forces having already submitted their applications to the accreditation body, the United Members: Correspondence Kingdom Accreditation Service (UKAS), in order to commence their accreditation processes. Graham Evans: To ask the Secretary of State for the Police forces have been surveyed as part of this Home Department (1) when she plans to respond to process and the information gained will be used to the letters from the hon. Member for Weaver Vale of assist the roll-out process in achieving accreditation to (a) 8 April 2011 and (b) 30 June 2011 on behalf of Mr the ISO 17025 standard in DNA facilities and fingerprint Paul Blakeman; [69419] enhancement laboratories by the implementation deadlines (2) when the Minister for Policing and Criminal of November 2013 and November 2015. This approach Justice plans to reply to the letters from the hon. has received the endorsement and backing of the Member for Weaver Vale of 8 April 2011 and 30 June Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and the 2011 on behalf of a constituent, Mr Paul Blakeman. forensic science regulator. [87311] Non-molestation Orders Nick Herbert: I refer my hon. Friend to my response of 20 December, a copy of which I will place in the Mrs Grant: To ask the Secretary of State for the Library. Home Department (1) how many arrests for offences of contempt of court where the offence related to a breach Mr Winnick: To ask the Secretary of State for the of a non-molestation injunction order there were in Home Department if she will arrange for the hon. each year since 2004; [88136] Member for Walsall North to receive a reply to her (2) how many arrests for offences related to breaches letter of 15 November 2011 to the UK Border Agency of non-molestation injunction orders there were in concerning a constituent, reference B29310/11. [87923] each year since 2004. [88137]

Damian Green: The UK Border Agency replied to the Lynne Featherstone: The information requested is not hon. Member on 13 December 2011. collected centrally. The arrests collection held by the Home Office covers Mr Winnick: To ask the Secretary of State for the arrests for recorded crime (notifiable offences) only, Home Department when she expects the UK Border broken down at a main offence group level, covering Agency to reply to the letter from the hon. Member for categories such as violence against the person, sexual Walsall North of 21 November 2011 concerning a offences and robbery. From these centrally reported constituent, reference B30111/11. [87924] categories it is not possible to separately identify offences relating to breaches of non-molestation orders. Offences Damian Green: The UK Border Agency replied to the of contempt of court are summary offences and do not hon. Member on 20 December 2011. form a part of the arrests collection. 173W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 174W

Offenders: EU Nationals (2) when (a) she and (b) Ministers in her Department met the (i) Constables’ Central Committee, (ii) Sergeants’ Martin Horwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Central Committee, (iii) Inspectors’ Central Committee the Home Department how many non-UK EU citizens and (iv) Chairman and General Secretary of the Police from each member state were (a) arrested, (b) charged Federation of England and Wales between May 2010 and (c) convicted under each type of offence and 31 October 2011; [78998] committed inside the UK in each of the last 10 years; (3) when (a) she and (b) Ministers in her Department and if she will make a statement. [81157] formally met representatives of the Police Superintendents Association of England and Wales between 10 May Nick Herbert [holding answer 15 November 2011]: 2010 and 31 October 2011. [79537] The information requested is not available centrally. Arrests data for England and Wales collected by the Nick Herbert: Home Office Ministers and officials Home Office do not include the nationality of arrested have meetings with a wide variety of partners, as well as persons. organisations and individuals in the public and private Data on charges are not collected centrally. sectors, as part of the process of policy development and delivery.As was the case with previous Administrations, The Ministry of Justice’s court proceedings database it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of holds information on defendants proceeded against, all such meetings. found guilty and sentenced for criminal offences in England and Wales. This database holds information on offences provided by the statutes under which Police and Crime Commissioners proceedings are brought but not the specific circumstances of each case. It is not possible to identify a defendant’s Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for the nationality from this centrally held information. Home Department what resources she plans to provide The collection of police and court proceedings data for (a) publicity and (b) measures to encourage a for Scotland and Northern Ireland is a matter for the diverse range of candidates in respect of the positions devolved Administrations. of Police and Crime Commissioners; and what estimate she has made of the total cost to the public purse of Offensive Behaviour: Football such resources. [86802]

Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Nick Herbert [holding answer 15 December 2011]: Home Department what discussions she has had with On 21 November I issued a call for candidates from all the Cabinet Secretary for Justice in the Scottish Government backgrounds and launched a website containing on cross-border issues arising from implementation of information about this new role. Funding for this the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening engagement will come from existing budgets. Communications (Scotland) Act. [88160] Police Federation James Brokenshire: The Secretary of State for the Home Department, my right hon. Friend the Member for Maidenhead (Mrs May), has had no discussions Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for the with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice in the Scottish Home Department (1) on what dates she met officials Government on cross border issues arising from from the Police Federation in the last 12 months; implementation of the Offensive Behaviour at Football [79716] and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act. (2) on how many occasions she has met representatives of the Police Federation in the last 12 Police months for which figures are available. [74510]

Steve Rotheram: To ask the Secretary of State for the Nick Herbert: Home Office Ministers and officials Home Department on how many occasions she has have meetings with a wide variety of partners, as well as had discussions with chief police officers since 6 organisations and individuals in the public and private August 2011; and whether she has received sectors, as part of the process of policy development correspondence from chief police officers regarding the and delivery.As was the case with previous Administrations, police budget since that date. [70502] it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of all such meetings. Nick Herbert [holding answer 7 September 2011]: Home Office Ministers and officials have meetings with Police Stations: Medway a wide variety of partners, as well as organisations and individuals in the public and private sectors, as part of the process of policy development and delivery. As was Rehman Chishti: To ask the Secretary of State for the the case with previous Administrations, it is not the Home Department what assessment she has made of Government’s practice to provide details of all such the use of virtual police stations in the Medway towns. meetings. [87505]

Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Nick Herbert: The use of video technology by Kent Home Department (1) which police forces (a) she and police is making justice quicker and more effective, (b) each Minister in her Department has visited since freeing up valuable police time and resources to enable January 2011; [77802] them to carry out their frontline duties. 175W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 176W

Police: Bureaucracy together with SPICC will ensure that resource requests are proportionate to the relative size and capacity of the Sammy Wilson: To ask the Secretary of State for the providing force. Home Department what steps her Department has Police: Surveillance taken to reduce the burden of administration for the police. [87882] Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department pursuant to the answer of 1 Nick Herbert: We have announced a package of November 2011, Official Report, column 500W, on policies that will cut police bureaucracy, saving up to police: surveillance, whether elected police commissioners 3.3 million police hours per year—the equivalent of will have the power to authorise the use of covert over 1,500 police officers. This work is being taken techniques under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers forward by the joint Home Office and Association of Act 2000. [87744] Chief Police Officers Reducing Bureaucracy Programme Board, chaired by Chief Constable Chris Sims. Nick Herbert: No. Mr Ruffley: To ask the Secretary of State for the Police: Wales Home Department what proportion of time on average (a) all officers and (b) patrol officers spent (i) on (A) Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for incident and (B) non-incident-related paperwork and the Home Department what discussions she has had (ii) on patrol in each year since 2003-04. [53379] with Ministers in the Welsh Government on the formation of Policing and Crime Panels in Wales to scrutinise the Nick Herbert: The Home Office has not collected work of elected Police and Crime Commissioners. data on the time spent by police officers on paperwork [88022] since 2007-08. It is therefore not possible to provide the data requested. Nick Herbert: Home Office and Welsh Government Ministers and senior officials have discussed police reform Police: Manpower as a whole and will continue to do so where necessary. The Home Office’s Police and Crime Commissioner Transition Programme includes a specific project tasked Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for the with maintaining a strategic overview of the implementation Home Department how many sex offender of the police reform agenda in Wales including the management staff were employed by police authorities establishment of police and crime panels. Membership in (a) 2009, (b) 2010 and (c) 2011. [82914] of this board includes both Home Office and Welsh Government officials as well as a range of other key Nick Herbert: This information is not published. Welsh partners.

Police: Olympic Games 2012 Post Codes Pete Wishart: To ask the Secretary of State for the Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether her Department uses Home Department (1) when she last met her postcodes for purposes other than the postage of mail. counterpart in the Scottish Government to discuss [84243] mutual aid in policing for the London 2012 Olympics; [88161] Damian Green: Postcodes provided as part of the (2) how many police officers from Scottish police passport application process are used by the Identity forces will be deployed in England under mutual aid and Passport Service to assist with workflow management, arrangements for the London 2012 Olympics. [88162] demographic market research and in managing the integrity of the passport issuing process. James Brokenshire: The Secretary of State for the Postcodes are held on UK Border Agency systems Home Department, my right hon. Friend the Member that are used to generate statistical information at the for Maidenhead (Mrs May), has not met the Scottish local authority level on supported asylum seekers. Government to discuss the provision of police mutual The Criminal Records Bureau uses postcodes for a aid for the London 2012 Olympic Games. These are range of operational functions, including validating a operational policing matters and, while detailed planning person’s identity and identifying repeat applications. continues, the final resource requirements will not be confirmed until early this year. It is anticipated that a Prevent Strategy small number of Olympic venue forces are likely to require a level of additional support, under mutual aid Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the arrangements. Home Department what responsibilities in respect of Requests for mutual aid will be co-ordinated through the Prevent Strategy have been transferred from her the Association of Chief Police Officers, Police National Department to the Department for Communities and Information and Co-ordination Centre (ACPO PNICC) Local Government since 7 June 2011. [88426] in England and Wales and the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, Scottish Police Information James Brokenshire: There has been no transfer of Co-ordination Centre (ACPOS SPICC). It is expected responsibilities in respect of the Prevent Strategy from that most police forces across the UK, including Scottish the Home Office to the Department of Communities forces, will be asked to supply resources and PNICC, and Local Government since that date. 177W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 178W

Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Social Justice Committee Home Department what mechanisms she has put in place to ensure co-operation between her Department Michael Dugher: To ask the Secretary of State for the and the Department for Communities and Local Home Department how many meetings of the Social Government on the Prevent Strategy. [88430] Justice Committee she has attended since its establishment. [85292] James Brokenshire: Home Office Ministers have regular meetings with ministerial colleagues and my officials Damian Green: Home Office Ministers and officials work closely with officials in the Department for have meetings with a wide variety of partners, as well as Communities and Local Government (DCLG). DCLG organisations and individuals in the public and private are members of the Prevent Sub Board which oversees sectors, as part of the process of policy development the delivery of the Prevent Strategy. and delivery.As was the case with previous administrations, it is not the Government’s practice to provide details of Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the all such meetings. Home Department what funding allocated to the Prevent Statisticians Strategy has been transferred from her Department to the Department for Communities and Local Government during financial year 2011-12; and what such funding Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many statisticians (a) her will be transferred in financial year 2012-13. [88431] Department employs and (b) are seconded to her Department by the Office for National Statistics. James Brokenshire: The Home Office has not transferred [88425] any funding related to the Prevent strategy to the Department for Communities and Local Government Damian Green: As at 19 December 2011, the Home this financial year. We are not aware that any transfer of Office employed 17 professional statistical staff ranging Prevent funding is planned for 2012-13. from the Chief Statistician to Statistical Officers. In addition, the Home Office’s Chief Scientific Adviser is also a statistician. One professional member of statistical Smuggling: Tobacco staff is additionally employed in each of the Government Equalities Office and Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Dr Wollaston: To ask the Secretary of State for the Constabulary. Home Department how much her Department spent No professional statistical staff are on loan to the on the tackling tobacco smuggling strategy in 2009-10. Home Office from the Office for National Statistics [83506] (ONS). Three social researchers are, however, currently on loan to the Home Office Statistics Unit as part of Damian Green: The UK Border Agency deployed an preparations for the British Crime Survey moving to estimated 1,504 full-time equivalent staff to the tobacco ONS in April 2012. strategy in 2009-10, assigned to detection and intelligence Theft: Metals duties. Further and more detailed information on expenditure is not available. Investigation and the provision of legal advice in relation to tobacco smuggling remained Chris Evans: To ask the Secretary of State for the the responsibility of HM Revenue and Customs. Home Department what assessment she has made of the effectiveness of the provisions of the Scrap Metal Dealers Act 1964 in deterring metal theft. [87223] Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps her Department has James Brokenshire: We believe that regulation of the taken to combat the distribution of counterfeit scrap metal industry is not effective and that the Scrap cigarettes in (a) Leicester and (b) the east midlands. Metal Dealers Act 1964 needs to be revised. The Home [87711] Office is discussing with other Departments what legislative changes are necessary to assist enforcement agencies Miss Chloe Smith: I have been asked to reply on and deter offenders. We are also working with the behalf of the Treasury. Association of Chief Police Officers to establish a dedicated The Government are committed to tackling the illicit metal theft taskforce. trade in non-UK duty paid cigarettes and in April 2011 Tobacco: Japan published a comprehensive new strategy for HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) and the UK Border Agency (UKBA): “Tackling Tobacco Smuggling—building on Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home our success”. It is available online at: Department whether any (a) Ministers and (b) special advisers in her Department have received hospitality www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/tackling-tobacco.htm from Japan Tobacco International since May 2010. This is a risk-based, intelligence-led strategy which is [87620] applied across the UK, including in Leicestershire and the east midlands. Domestically, HMRC works in Damian Green: Information on hospitality received collaboration with other enforcement agencies to maximise by Ministers and special advisers is published regularly impact using the full range of powers and sanctions and can be found at: available, and to develop and apply joined-up approaches http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/non-personal-data/ to localised problems of illicit activity. hospitality-business-expenses/ 179W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 180W

Vetting Applicants overseas are required to reapply and pay the appropriate fee to obtain a new visa. Applicants in Steve Brine: To ask the Secretary of State for the the UK may make a transfer of conditions application. Home Department whether she plans to introduce The current fee for a transfer of conditions application annual subscription fees for volunteers who undergo is £216. portable Criminal Records Bureau checks. [87664] The UK Border Agency has published details on fees, including the indicative unit cost for each application Lynne Featherstone: We are committed to reducing type for the years 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 the barriers to volunteering and regular Criminal Records in the Explanatory Memorandum to the Fees Regulations. Bureau (CRB) checks will remain free of charge for volunteers. The decision on whether volunteers will Written Questions: Government Responses have to pay for the new on-line service is still under consideration. Derek Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for the Vetting: Third Sector Home Department (1) when she plans to answer Question 80509 on border controls, tabled on 8 November 2011 for named day answer on 14 November 2011; [84490] Stuart Andrew: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans her Department has to (2) pursuant to the answer to the hon. Member for introduce charges for Criminal Records Bureau and Halton, on 7 November 2011, Official Report, column vetting and barring checks for volunteers in the 54, whether (a) other Ministers in her Department, (b) charitable sector. [87642] the Permanent Secretary in her Department and (c) any officials and special advisers in the Minister’s private Lynne Featherstone [holding answer 20 December 2011]: office knew that border controls had been relaxed. We are committed to reducing the barriers to volunteering [80509] and regular Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks will remain free of charge for volunteers. The decision Damian Green [holding answers 14 November 2011 on whether volunteers will have to pay for the new and 5 December 2011]: I refer the hon. Gentleman to on-line service is still under consideration. the evidence provided to the Home Affairs Select Committee on 8 November 2011. Victims: Gender Recognition Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for the Philip Davies: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department when she plans to answer question Home Department how many transgender murder 77339, tabled on 25 October 2011 for answer on 27 victims there have been in each of the last five years. October 2011, on departmental procurement. [88105] [87878] Damian Green: I refer the hon. Member to my answer Lynne Featherstone: The requested information is not of 19 December 2011, Official Report, columns 922-3W. collected centrally. Tackling hate crime is an issue the Government take very seriously, and we are committed to doing more to BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS support and protect victims. Apprentices We are meeting the coalition commitment to improve the recording of such crimes, and working with the Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, police and other partners to encourage more victims to Innovation and Skills what outcomes he has specified come forward. In line with this commitment, information for contractors under the Higher Apprenticeship Fund. on whether the offence was motivated by the victim [88710] being transgender will be collected via the Homicide Index from April 2012. Mr Hayes: The aim of the Higher Apprenticeship Further information on Government plans relating Fund is to create sustainable Higher Apprenticeship to transgender equality can be found in the Home places that are based on employer demand, involve Office publication ‘Advancing transgender equality: a education and business partnerships and that are accessible plan for action’ at the following link: to all, especially small employers. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/equalities/lgbt- The National Apprenticeship Service is currently agreeing equality-publications/transgender-action-plan?view=Binary contracts with successful organisations who will be contracted to support one or more of the following: Visas 1. Increase employer engagement with key large employers and the small and medium-sized enterprises in their supply chains and Dr Huppert: To ask the Secretary of State for the sub sectors. Home Department what the cost was of renewing a UK 2. Build training provider capacity and capability to deliver visa which had been lost or stolen in (a) 2006, (b) high quality Higher Apprenticeships. 2007, (c) 2008, (d) 2009, (e) 2010 and (f) 2011. 3. Accelerate development of Apprenticeship Frameworks where [87850] demand is proven. 4. Create accessible programmes that address sectoral gender Damian Green: The cost of obtaining a replacement and ethnicity imbalances. UK visa due to a lost or stolen passport would vary, Through investing in capacity and infrastructure, the depending on what type of visa had been granted in the fund will initially create approximately 19,000 additional first instance. Higher Apprenticeship places. 181W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 182W

Arms Trade Mr Davey: Transforming the long-standing culture of late payment requires a multi-faceted strategy to engage Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for and educate business. Key steps we are taking in respect Business, Innovation and Skills whether he has asked of companies are: the National Security Council to discuss the arms trade encouraging big business to pay according to agreed terms treaty. [88612] through the Prompt Payment Code (www.promptpayment code.org.uk) and by supporting businesses to better manage Mr Prisk: No. customer relationships through the Institute of Credit Management’s Managing Cash Flow Guides (www.credit Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for management.org.uk/bisguides.htm) Business, Innovation and Skills what contribution his sponsoring a ‘get paid day’ within our wider campaign supporting Department has made to policy development on ‘finance fitness’ including small arms, light weapons and ammunition Government are also supporting businesses to manage within the terms of the arms trade treaty. [88626] cash flow by ensuring they pays their own bills on time: establishing the public sector as a payment exemplar with a Mr Prisk: Officials from this Department have been, commitment that central Departments pay 80% of invoices and continue to be, actively engaged in supporting the within five days and that main suppliers must pay contractors Foreign and Commonwealth Office on all aspects of within 30 days. BIS achieved 95.5% in November 2011. arms trade treaty policy development and strategy including Additionally, the Government are preparing for the on the potential scope of the treaty. transposition of the recast EU late payment directive into UK law by 16 March 2013. The directive essentially Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for mirrors current UK legislation. Business, Innovation and Skills whether his Department provides (a) training and (b) detailed briefings on the Business arms trade treaty to staff working in overseas posts; and what steps he is taking to ensure that the treaty is raised in all relevant bilateral meetings. [88627] Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills whether the cost to business Mr Prisk: Officials from this Department participate resulting from the commencement of the Bribery Act in a range of outreach activities organised by the Foreign 2011 have been (a) subject to the Regulatory Policy and Commonwealth Office as part of a cross-Whitehall Committee’s impact assessment validation process and team. The responsibility for briefing staff in overseas (b) included in the Second Statement of New Regulation. posts would be for the Foreign and Commonwealth [87823] Office to arrange. Officials from the Export Control Organisation have Mr Kenneth Clarke: I have been asked to reply on taken the opportunity to discuss the arms trade treaty behalf of the Department for Justice. with their international counterparts during a range of The consideration of the impact of the legislation meetings on broader issues with which they are involved. (the Bribery Bill) that received Royal Assent as the Bribery Act in April 2010 (a) pre-dated the establishment Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for of the Regulatory Policy Committee and (b) did not Business, Innovation and Skills which representatives fall within the scope of the Second Statement of New from his Department have attended each of the UN Regulation. An impact assessment was published by the Preparatory Committee meetings for the international then Secretary of State for Justice upon the introduction arms trade treaty; and which representatives from his of the Bribery Bill in November 2009. Department will attend the meeting in February 2012. [88629] Business: Loans Mr Prisk: None. Shabana Mahmood: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Jim Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills pursuant to the answer Business, Innovation and Skills what steps his of 8 November 2011, Official Report, column 293W, on Department is taking to ensure that negotiations for an banks: loans, if he will have such discussions. [84360] arms trade treaty in 2012 include representatives from civil society and non-governmental organisations. Mr Davey: The Secretary of State for Business, [88630] Innovation and Skills, my right hon. Friend the Member for Twickenham (Vince Cable), is not currently planning Mr Prisk: This would be a matter for the Foreign and to hold such discussions. The Joint Money Laundering Commonwealth Office who have overall Government Steering Group, an industry association, produces guidance responsibility for the negotiations on the arms trade on how financial services firms should interpret rules treaty. on identity checks, as set out in the UK money laundering regulations. Billing

Andrea Leadsom: To ask the Secretary of State for Conditions of Employment Business, Innovation and Skills what steps he is taking to ensure that (a) companies and (b) the public sector Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State make timely payment of invoices to small businesses. for Business, Innovation and Skills what steps he is [88639] taking to protect workers’ employment rights. [87914] 183W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 184W

Mr Davey: The Department for Business, Innovation Mr Davey: The Government remain committed to and Skills is leading a cross-Government review into all implementation of the online infringement of copyright aspects of employment-related law that will last the provisions within the Digital Economy Act, 2010, which length of this Parliament. Our aim is to ensure that the will benefit publishers and authors of e-Books as well balance between business confidence, economic growth as other producers of digital material. and fairness to employees is right. Making employers The Department is also working with industry to more confident about taking on new staff will lead to a look at other ways in which sites dedicated to making healthier labour market and more jobs for employees. copyright material available illegally can be made less We are not in the business of removing important attractive and more difficult to find inadvertently. This protections. In fact, we plan to reform the law to help work includes facilitating cooperation between rights people juggle their commitments at work with their holder and online service providers, while ensuring that responsibilities at home. We are also reviewing our consumers are treated fairly and can be assured that compliance and enforcement arrangements to see if they are acting within the law. there is scope to make them more efficient and effective. We are also working to make access to enforcement Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State mechanisms for intellectual property cases easier and for Business, Innovation and Skills what steps his cheaper through reforms to the Patents County Court. Department has taken to protect the rights of workers who are faced with redundancy; and whether he plans to change such rights. [87915] Departmental Manpower

Mr Davey: No new regulations in relation to redundancy Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, are currently planned. However, on 23 November 2011 Innovation and Skills how many staff posts have been we launched a Call for Evidence on the operation of the removed in his Department since June 2010; in which rules on collective redundancy consultation, to establish areas; what assessment he has made of the effect of the whether changes are needed. Any change prompted by removal of posts on his Department’s policy areas; the call for evidence would aim to establish a regime whether any policy areas within his Department were that balances the need for business flexibility with fair exempt from the removal of posts; and if he will make a treatment for employees. This would need to take into statement. [88709] account the impact on employees, both in terms of morale (as a result of long periods of time between the end of consultation and redundancies taking effect) Mr Davey: The Department for Business, Innovation and in relation to access to future employment or and Skills has reduced the number of staff on its payroll training. After the Call for Evidence closes on 31 January by 611 since June 2010. This has been accompanied by 2012, we will carefully consider the responses received an organisational restructure. Alongside the restructure and formally consult on any recommendations for change the Department has undertaken change and building that we consider necessary. capability programmes. These have focused on increasing effectiveness by enabling the Department to operate in Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State a way that is more flexible, skilled, innovative, focused for Business, Innovation and Skills what assessment he on priority activities, connected and open. While has made of the level of protection for the labour force; challenging, the changes have been delivered with no and what information his Department holds on the significant diminution of performance in terms of policy level of protection afforded to the labour force in other development or service to Ministers. The staff reductions and restructure apply to the Department, excluding EU member states. [87916] agencies and UK Trade and Investment. Mr Davey: A key driver of the UK’s strong performance is the flexibility of our labour market. The labour Departmental Public Expenditure market, like other markets, needs a framework of rules and, as with other European Union member states, those rules have to comply with minimum standards Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, agreed in Europe. According to the Organisation for Innovation and Skills pursuant to the answer of 14 Economic Co-operation and Development, the UK has December 2011, Official Report, columns 816-7W, on one of the most efficient labour markets among developed Third Sector, for what reasons (a) Tate Britain, (b) the countries. But we can do more and through the Red National Foundation for Education, (c) the Royal Tape Challenge we are giving the public an opportunity Anniversary Trust and (d) Natural England received to comment on how EU legislation has been implemented funding from his Department in 2010-11 but not in in the UK, so that we can review any instances of 2011-12; and if he will make a statement. [88685] ’gold-plating’, where the UK has gone beyond the minimum required by EU legislation. Mr Willetts: The payments to the organisations in 2010-11 were made under programmes which were either Copyright: Electronic Publishing time-limited or which do not attract funding on an annual basis and which were directly financed by the Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for Department. The figures for 2011-12 represent allocations Business, Innovation and Skills what steps he has taken to date. The relevant organisations will still be eligible in to protect authors’ rights from the risk of piracy relating some cases to make proposals for funding to our partner to (a) e-books and (b) other digital technology. [87712] organisations. 185W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 186W

Economics, Strategy and Better Regulation Directorate Mr Willetts: The Higher Education Funding Council for England (HEFCE) is responsible for determining Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for the level of funding made available through the Widening Business, Innovation and Skills what funding over Participation Premium. In June, we asked HEFCE to £100,000 his Department’s Economics, Strategy and consult on the operation of the teaching grant for Better Regulation Directorate allocated to partner 2013/14 and beyond. HEFCE will launch this consultation, organisations in 2010-11; how much it plans to allocate early next year. We will confirm our priorities for teaching to partner organisations in 2011-12; and if he will make funding in future years, in the usual way, in the grant a statement. [88335] letter for the year. An Impact Assessment was published in June 2011 Mr Prisk: The Economics, Strategy and Better providing an analysis of the proposed changes in the Regulation Group (ESBR) was formed in 2011/12 and Higher Education White Paper ″Higher Education: therefore did not allocate any resources to partner Students at the Heart of the System″. This Impact organisations in 2010/11. Assessment is available at: The group ESBR have a single partner organisation, http://discuss.bis.gov.uk/hereform/all-documents/ the Local Better Regulation Office. In the current financial A separate impact assessment was not published for year 2011/12, it was provided with a total budget of widening participation premium. £3,254,000, £3,112,000 of which constituted direct grant in aid, broken down into £2,233,000 programme and £879,000 in administration. The remainder was non-cash Local Enterprise Partnerships provisions of £142,000, again broken down into £122,000 in administration non-cash and £20,000 in programme non-cash. Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills what assessment he Green Investment Bank has made of the operational capacity of local enterprise partnerships in 2011-12. [87919] Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills (1) when he expects Mr Prisk: I undertake regular visits to local enterprise borrowing powers to be granted to the Green partnerships (LEP) across England and periodically Investment Bank; [87852] review progress. I attended the Coventry and Warwickshire (2) what his policy is on the borrowing powers for the partnership’s annual meeting in October. Green Investment Bank. [87853] The 39th and most recent LEP only received approval to form, from myself and the Minister for Decentralisation Mr Prisk: The Green Investment Bank (GIB) is being and Cities, Department for Communities and Local capitalised to an extent that it will not need to borrow Government, my right hon. Friend the Member for before 2015. The GIB will be given borrowing powers in Tunbridge Wells (Greg Clark), on 21 December. LEPs 2015 subject to public sector net debt falling as a now cover very nearly 100% of England in terms of percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) and state both population and businesses. They are inevitably at aid approval having been granted. GIB borrowing will different stages in their development, but have made score against the national debt and controls will be good overall progress in the establishment of their needed so that GIB borrowing can be managed effectively. priorities and early delivery against them, supported by The level of borrowing will be considered in the future, initial seed-corn funding of £6 million from the BIS taking into account investment opportunities and fiscal Capacity and Start-Up Funds. affordability.

Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Manufacturing Industries: Government Assistance Innovation and Skills with reference to the Autumn Statement, what recent assessment he has made of the ability of the Green Investment Bank to facilitate the Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for critical infrastructure investment originally planned for Business, Innovation and Skills with reference to his 2015; and if he will make a statement. [87854] Department’s announcement of 6 December 2011 on the advanced manufacturing supply chain initiative, Mr Prisk: Good progress is being made. We are on whether the offer of apprenticeships to young people track for the Green Investment Bank to be operational will be a criterion for assessing bids for funding. in September 2012. Ahead of obtaining state aid approval [88667] for the Bank, the Government will invest in green infrastructure projects from April 2012, including up to Mr Prisk: The Advanced Manufacturing Supply Chain £100 million in non-domestic energy efficiency and Initiative aims to help existing UK supply chains grow £100 million in smaller waste infrastructure projects. and achieve world class standards while encouraging major new suppliers to come and manufacture here. Higher Education: Admissions The new fund will support innovative projects in established UK advanced manufacturing sectors and target newer Paul Blomfield: To ask the Secretary of State for growth areas where the UK is well placed to take a Business, Innovation and Skills whether his Department global lead. The competitive fund will invite applications has carried out an impact assessment on the effects of this year. Further information on criteria, funding and any reduction of the Widening Participation Premium. other arrangements concerning the initiative will also [88114] be available this year. 187W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 188W

Overseas Trade Credit Guarantee Department (ECGD) on the operation of the menu of products for exporters announced in the Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Trade and Investment White Paper, including Export Innovation and Skills how many UK exporters have Enterprise Finance Guarantee (ExEFG). The results of received commercial export finance facilities through the review will be published in the second quarter of the Export Enterprise Finance Guarantee since it was 2012. established. [88750] Public Houses Mr Prisk: The Export Enterprise Finance Guarantee (ExEFG) was launched as a pilot in April 2011, as part Toby Perkins: To ask the Secretary of State for of a menu of extra help for exporters which includes Business, Innovation and Skills whether (a) he and (b) four schemes provided by the Exports Credit Guarantee other Ministers in his Department have visited any (i) Department (ECGD). To date, ExEFG has helped facilitate pubs and (ii) breweries as guests of pub companies short term export finance facilities for six exporters, since May 2010. [88191] with total lending of £3.012 million. The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills Mr Davey: No Ministers in the Department have is conducting a joint review with the Exports Credit visited any pubs or breweries as guests of pub companies Guarantee Department (ECGD) on the operation of since May 2010. the menu of products. The results of the review will be published in the second quarter of 2012. Toby Perkins: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills which representatives Business, Innovation and Skills when his Department of pub companies (a) he and (b) other Ministers in his expects to publish a review of the first six months of Department have met since May 2010; and what the operation of the Export Enterprise Finance Guarantee. date and location was of each such meeting. [88192] [88751] Mr Davey: I am the only Minister in the Department Mr Prisk: The Department for Business, Innovation to have had meetings with representatives of pub companies and Skills is conducting a joint review with the Exports since May 2010. I have had the following meetings:

Date Minister Attendees Location

16 February 2011 Edward Davey Brigid Simmonds, Chief Executive British Beer and Pub Association (BBPA) BIS 12 October 2011 Edward Davey Brigid Simmonds, British Beer and Pub Association (BBPA); Ralph Findlay (BBPA and BIS Marston’s); Simon Townsend (Enterprise Inns); Roger Whiteside (Punch Taverns) 3 November 2011 Edward Davey Simon Longbottom (Greene King); Paul Wells (Independent Family Brewers of Britain and BIS Charles Wells); Jonathan Neame (Shepherd Neame); Stuart Bateman (Bateman’s); William Lees-Jones (JW Lees); David Turner (Young’s) 1 December 2011 Edward Davey Brigid Simmonds, British Beer and Pub Association (BBPA); Ralph Findlay (BBPA and BIS Marston’s)

Toby Perkins: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, invested over the course of the spending period and we Innovation and Skills whether he has changed his policy are confident that the fund will support 500,000 jobs in on codes of practice in relation to pub companies from total. At this very early stage in this programme it is that which he stated at the Business, Innovation and expected to unlock £5 of private sector investment for Skills Committee on 20 July 2010; and for what reason every £1 of public sector funding invested. any such change was made. [88691]

Mr Davey: I have always believed that action is necessary Southampton Port in this area. I have carefully considered what type of action was most appropriate and believe the policy set Mr Umunna: To ask the Secretary of State for out on 24 November 2011 in the Government response Business, Innovation and Skills what recent discussions to the Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee’s he has had with (a) the Marine Management Office, report on pub companies will deliver reforms that will (b) the Department for Environment, Food and Rural make a real difference for licensees quickly and effectively. Affairs and (c) other stakeholders on the proposed redevelopment of the Port of Southampton; and if he Regional Growth Fund will make a statement. [87855]

Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State Mr Prisk: Neither I nor my officials have held discussions for Business, Innovation and Skills what recent with the Marine Management Organisation on this assessment he has made of the effectiveness of the matter. BIS officials have been in touch with officials Regional Growth Fund. [87918] from the Department for Transport and the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs to understand Mr Prisk: The Regional Growth Fund has made the nature of the issues that are affecting the proposed conditional allocations to companies and organisations redevelopment at Southampton and the scope for possible to the value of £1.4 billion. A further £1 billion will be solutions. These discussions are continuing. 189W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 190W

I welcome the proposed capacity enhancements at www.businesslink.gov.uk Southampton and other UK ports. Ports are a vital part website. of the UK’s infrastructure, offering excellent connectivity and one of the lowest lead times to import in Europe. The Department does not provide advice on tax Continuing investment in deep water port capacity is related matters; however, we will direct any enquiries to needed to underpin both overseas trade and domestic the appropriate information on the Business Link website, growth and employment. As with any development, developed by HMRC. This includes basic information these investments needs to take place in accordance on stamp duty, reliefs or exemptions and how to apply, with legal requirements, including environmental protection, alongside details of the stamp taxes helpline on the and in a manner that maintains fair competition. HMRC website. Stamp Duties: Tax Avoidance Students: Loans

Chi Onwurah: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills what advice his Department Nic Dakin: To ask the Secretary of State for provides to (a) small business estate agents and (b) Business, Innovation and Skills what estimate he has other small businesses considering promoting the legal made of the level of bad debts experienced by the avoidance of stamp duty on property sales through Student Loans Company in each of the last five years. company structures. [88565] [85525]

Mr Prisk: Small business estate agents can find an Mr Hayes: The mortgage style and income contingent overview of the rules, regulation and general best practice (IC) student loan debt written off by the Student Loans estate agents must follow via the ‘Your Business Sector’ Company (SLC) in the last five years is set out in the on the Business Link website at: following table:

£ million Financial year 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11

Total amount cancelled or written off during the financial 5.5 7.6 28.7 16.7 15.8 year Because of death1 2.7 1.6 15.6 6.1 6.0 Because of age 2.4 3.4 5.4 7.6 8.4 Because of disability1 0.4 0.5 2.0 1.1 1.2 Because of bankruptcy23— 1.9 5.0 1.4 3— On completion of individual Voluntary Arrangement (IVA)23— 0.2 0.5 0.5 3— Trivial balances 3— 3— 3— 3— 3— Other 3— 3— 3— 3— 3— 1 The functionality for processing cancellations on IC loans due to death and disability was put in place in 2008-09. A number of such write- offs dating back to previous financial years have been processed and are included in the 2008-09 figures. 2 The functionality for processing write-offs due to bankruptcy and on completion of an Individual Voluntary Arrangement was put in place in 2007-08. A number of such write-offs dating back to previous financial years have been processed and are included in the 2008-09 figures. After July 2004 for Mortgage Style loans and September 2004 for Income-Contingent loans, student loans have not been written off as a result of the customer becoming bankrupt. From April 2010, all student loans are exempt from Individual Voluntary Arrangements (IVA). The amount of loan written off in the table above for financial year 2006-07 to 2010-11 and 2010-11 for IVA, are for those customers who petitioned for their loans to be written off prior to the change in regulations. 3 Nil or negligible. Note: Figures may not add to total due to rounding. Source: Student Loans Company (SLC)

Figures on loan amounts written off are published At the time the regulations were amended in 2002, each year by the SLC in the National Statistics publication annual costs of compliance were estimated at £2.6 billion Student Loans for Higher Education in England. The per annum. publication includes separate figures for Income Contingent and Mortgage Style loans. The latest version of this In 2007 when the amount of annual leave was extended publication can be found at following address: by eight days (making the four weeks’ minimum paid http://www.slc.co.uk/media/76986/slcsfr022011.pdf annual leave requirement of the directive additional to time off for UK bank and public holidays) the estimated Working Hours: EU Law annual policy cost of this increase in leave entitlement was between £3.3 and £4 billion. It was also estimated Mr Dodds: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, that employers would face an additional annual Innovation and Skills what estimate he has made of the administrative cost of £43 million. total annual cost to UK businesses of EU Working Time Regulations. [87743] Information obligations relating to the working time directive were estimated to amount to an administrative Mr Davey: The EU working time directive is given cost to business of £43.85 million per annum by the effect in the UK through the Working Time Regulations. “Employment Law Admin Burdens Survey 2008”. All 191W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 192W other costs referred to above have been estimated as An evaluation to determine the reach and effectiveness applying across the whole economy rather than specific of the body image lesson is scheduled to be assessed in to the business sector. summer 2012 by Media Smart.

Written Questions: Government Responses Barristers: Females

Sir Gerald Kaufman: To ask the Secretary of State for Miss McIntosh: To ask the Minister for Women and Business, Innovation and Skills when he plans to reply Equalities what discussions she has had with the to the letter from the right hon. Member for Secretary of State for Justice on the effect of the Manchester, Gorton of 9 November 2011 concerning reduction of legal aid work on the number of women Ms H. Valentino. [87651] barristers entering the profession; and if she will make a statement. [88706] Mr Davey: The Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills Lynne Featherstone: The Secretary of State for the my right hon. Friend the Member for Havant (Mr Home Department and Minister for Womenand Equalities, Willetts) responded to this letter on 20 December 2011. the right hon. Member for Maidenhead (Mrs May), meets regularly with ministerial colleagues, including Letter form Mr Willetts, dated December 2011: the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, Thank you for your letter of 9 November enclosing correspondence the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr from your constituent, Valentino Hudhra, of Flat 1, Philips B, 2 Clarke), and others, in order to discuss matters of Hope Road M14 5EW, about financial support for her travel to policy. college costs. I apologise for the delay in replying. I do understand the concerns your constituent raises about the Issues relating to legal aid reform are a matter for the travel costs she has to incur to attend college. Unfortunately, as I Secretary of State for Justice, and the specific levels of do not know your constituent’s age, or the name of the college representation within given practice areas at the Bar she is attending, I can only reply in general terms. and the solicitors’ profession are primarily the responsibility Regarding students aged between 16 to 19-year-olds in further of the Bar and the Law Society, as is the need to ensure education (FE) and training, local authorities have a statutory equality of opportunity in all areas of practice. duty to make arrangements to ensure that young people can attend education. Legislation requires local authorities to publish Departmental Equality a transport policy statement by the end of May each year. The statement should set out the arrangements that the local authority Mr Thomas: To ask the Minister for Women and will make in the following academic year to help students of sixth form age access education or training. Those arrangements could Equalities what equality impact assessments she has include providing transport to and from college, or financial carried out since May 2010; and for what purpose in support to help with transport costs. each case. [88583] If your constituent wishes to speak to someone in her local authority about their transport arrangements for students of Lynne Featherstone: The Home Office considers equality sixth form age she should contact Simon Griffiths (s.griffiths@ issues in exercising its functions, to comply with equality manchester.gov.uk) or she can access their transport policy statement legislation and to ensure it understands how its activities at: will affect different people. It provides information about http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/891/school_transport/958/ this consideration in various ways. In the specified transport_policy_statements_for_students_in_further_education_aged_ period, this information was sometimes published in 16-19/1 the form of an equality impact assessment, although The statement should clearly set out the local complaints and there has never been a legal requirement to produce appeals process to follow if she is unhappy with the arrangements such a document. The Government Equalities Office that have been made. published 11 such documents during the period. These are available on the Home Office website. WOMEN AND EQUALITIES Equal Opportunities Advertising: Education Mr Hollobone: To ask the Minister for Women and Jo Swinson: To ask the Minister for Women and Equalities what assessment she has made of which Equalities what support she has given to the Media three professions open to both women and men have Smart programme; and how she plans to assess the the (a) lowest and (b) highest representation of value for money of that support. [87796] women. [88679] Lynne Featherstone: The Government launched a Lynne Featherstone: All professions are open to both teaching pack for primary schools on body image in women and men. Of the 11 major professional occupations conjunction with Media Smart in September 2011. Media identified by the Standard Occupational Classification, Smart is funded entirely by donor companies and operates women have the highest representation among teaching on a not-for-profit basis. It specialises in providing professionals, public service professionals, and librarians teaching resources to primary schools to help children’s and related professionals. Women have the lowest media literacy. representation among engineering professionals, The Government did not give any financial support information and communication technology professionals, to Media Smart to develop this teaching pack: Government and architects, town planners and surveyors.1 officials in my department did provide advice to Media 1 Source: Smart regarding the development of materials and press Annual Population Survey, ONS, January to December 2010, support with the launch. UK. 193W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 194W

Cooperatives Percentage of those employed Professional occupation who are female Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Science 42 Transport what steps (a) her Department and (b) Engineering 7 those bodies for which her Department is responsible Information and 12 are taking to mark UN Year of the Co-operative 2012; Communication Technology and if she will make a statement. [88596] Health 51 Teaching 68 Research 52 Norman Baker: We will support the work of the Cabinet Office, the Mutuals Taskforce and Co-operatives Legal 43 UK to develop and take full advantage of opportunities Business and Statistical 35 to celebrate the achievements of co-operative organisations Architects, Town Planners, 14 Surveyors during the United Nations International Year of Co-operatives. Public Service 58 Librarians and Related 69 The Mutuals Taskforce has recently indicated it will Source: play a co-ordinating role for Departments to support Annual Population Survey, ONS, January to December 2010, UK. the international year, with Co-operatives UK leading the taskforce’s work in this area. Equality and Human Rights Commission: Finance Crossrail John McDonnell: To ask the Minister for Women and Equalities pursuant to the answer of 15 December 2011, Official Report, column 836W to the hon. Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for Member for North West Durham, on Government Transport with reference to section 30 of the coalition Equalities Office: Finance, what the budget allocation agreement, what recent progress she has made in (a) (b) for the Equality and Human Rights Commission is in supporting Crossrail and further electrification each financial year from 2011-12 to 2014-15; and what of the rail network. [87504] proportion of that budget will be allocated to the (a) administration budget and (b) programme budget in Mrs Villiers: Great progress has been made on the each year. [86044] Crossrail project this year. Tunnelling preparations are under way with the first tunnel portal now complete. Lynne Featherstone [holding answer 12 December 2011]: The first tunnel boring machine is currently undergoing Following the Government’s spending review, we factory testing and full tunnelling is due to commence announced that we would be reducing the Equality and in spring 2012. A Tunnelling and Underground Human Rights Commission’s (EHRC) budget by over Construction Academy to support this work has opened half, from £55 million in 2010-11 to £26 million in in Ilford, and welcomed its first students in the autumn. 2014-15. Enabling works are well under way at Paddington, The current budget for 2011-12 is £48,827,000. This Bond Street, Tottenham Court Road, Farringdon, includes (a) an administration budget of £36,827,000 Liverpool Street and Whitechapel. The excavation of and (b) a programme budget of £9,900,000. the first Crossrail station at Canary Wharf is nearing completion. Major construction contracts have recently The EHRC’s budget allocation for 2012-13 and beyond been awarded for Farringdon and Whitechapel stations. has not been set. As is standard practice as part of the annual financial planning cycle, my officials are in The Department has confirmed electrification of the discussion with the EHRC to agree its budget for 2012-13. Lancashire Triangle by 2016 and the Great Western Main Line between London, Oxford, Newbury, Bristol and Cardiff by 2017. More recently, the Department has supported Network Rail’s procurement of major TRANSPORT capital items such as National Grid connections and the High Output Plant that will lead to the efficient delivery Community Transport of the programme and which have longer delivery times. The Autumn Statement announced support for North Miss McIntosh: To ask the Secretary of State for TransPennine electrification between York, Leeds and Transport how local communities can access the funds Manchester. her Department has made available to promote community transport; and if she will make a statement. [88655] Departmental Correspondence

Norman Baker: I refer the hon. Member to the statement Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for made to the House on 8 December 2011, Official Report, Transport how many letters from hon. Members to columns 58-59WS. each Minister in her Department have not received a The funding will be distributed to 76 local authorities response since May 2010. [87490] in England, outside London, by formula. This is a repeat of the Supporting Community Transport Fund Norman Baker: In the period May 2010 to 16 December announced in March 2011. As with the first payment, 2011, the Department’s Ministers received 16,974 items we would expect local authorities to work with their of correspondence from MPs. At 16 December, 1,083 communities to help decide how best to use this funding. letters of these had not yet received a response. 195W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 196W

This figure includes correspondence recently received, Norman Baker: All Class 3 mobility vehicles (which which is within the Department’s target date for response. includes the Pride Colt 8 model) are required to have a It excludes inter-departmental correspondence between minimum of front direction lamp, direction indicators, Government Ministers, and correspondence which was hazard warning lights, two rear position lamps, rear transferred because it was more appropriate for another retro reflectors if being used on the road. In addition Department to respond. they are required to have an amber warning beacon if being used on dual carriageways. There is no specific Departmental Written Questions requirement for width indicating side lights.

Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport Alison Seabeck: To ask the Secretary of State for pursuant to the answer of 13 December 2011, Official Transport whether her Department has commissioned Report, columns 667-8W, on departmental written any independent safety checks on the Pride Colt 8 questions, what the question number is of each question mobility scooter. [88083] for written answer answered after more than 30 sitting days. [88147] Norman Baker: The Department has not commissioned any safety checks on any model of mobility vehicle. Norman Baker: The Unique Identification Numbers of the questions are 16176, 16244, 17160, 19146, 19582, Network Rail: Level Crossings 24051, 24052, 24053, 24054, 25533, 32418, 32419, 35201, 37255, 37752, 46399, 46340, 46341, 46856, 46999, 47004, Karl McCartney: To ask the Secretary of State for 47022, 49937, 49945, 56025, 61365,61367, 63964 and Transport what recent discussions she has had with 75167. Network Rail regarding level crossings. [88187] The Government have committed to providing the Procedure Committee with information relating to written Mrs Villiers: The Secretary of State for Transport, parliamentary question performance on a sessional basis my right hon. Friend the Member for Putney (Justine and will provide this information to the Committee at Greening), meets regularly with Network Rail to discuss the end of the Session. Statistics relating to Government a range of issues. Within the high level objectives set by Departments’ performance for the 2009-10 parliamentary the Secretary of State, operational decisions regarding Session were previously provided to the Committee and the rail network including those relating to level crossings are available on the Parliament website. remain the responsibility of Network Rail.

Electrification: Greater London Karl McCartney: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport whether her Department provides guidance Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for to Network Rail on the maximum acceptable time for a Transport what recent discussions she has had with (a) level crossing to be closed to road traffic in any one (a) Network Rail and (b) Transport for London on hour, (b) day and (c) night. [88188] electrification of the Barking to Gospel Oak section of the London Overground; and if she will make a statement. Mrs Villiers: The Department does not provide guidance [88382] to Network Rail on this issue and there is no legal restriction on the time that a level crossing can be closed Mrs Villiers: The Secretary of State for Transport, to road traffic. my right hon. Friend the Member for Putney (Justine However, the Office of Rail Regulation (ORR) does Greening), has had no such discussions. provide guidance to the rail industry on the operation of level crossings and on level crossing orders. Those Invalid Vehicles: Accidents orders can contain convenience or safety-related provisions for both road and rail level crossing users. The order Alison Seabeck: To ask the Secretary of State for making process is also managed by ORR. Transport how many road traffic accidents involved a Pride Colt 8 mobility scooter in each of the last three Karl McCartney: To ask the Secretary of State for years; and whether mechanical failure was a Transport what steps her Department has taken, or has contributory fact in any such accident. [88080] encouraged Network Rail to take, to improve safety at railway level crossings. [88189] Norman Baker: No national statistics are recorded concerning accidents involving mobility scooters and Mrs Villiers: Safety at level crossings is a matter for powered wheelchairs. From 2013, the police will be able the relevant railway safety duty holder. These duty to record whether a mobility vehicle has been involved holders such as Network Rail have a legal obligation to in an accident on the public highway. reduce risks at level crossings so far as is reasonably practicable. Invalid Vehicles: Safety It is the responsibility of the Office of Rail Regulation to monitor that railway duty holders meet those obligations, Alison Seabeck: To ask the Secretary of State for and to take enforcement action to secure improvements Transport whether the (a) Pride Colt 8 mobility as necessary. Additionally, the Rail Accident Investigation scooter and (b) other mobility scooters designed for Branch has also investigated a number of previous level road use are required to have width-indicating side crossing incidents and directed recommendations to lights. [88081] improve safety to Network Rail. 197W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 198W

The current level safety crossing record is consistently Abellio has identified a small number of individual one of the best in Europe and 2010-11 saw the least train services that are operating today with capacity fatalities at level crossings in the last decade. In view of significantly in excess of the forecast passenger loadings that record and the robust industry safety framework and on which the number of carriages can therefore be under which level cross risk is managed, we do not reduced. Some of these services are in the ’West Anglia consider additional intervention from the Department Inner’ service group. is needed. This is exactly the sort of efficiency initiative that is Ports: Greater London needed to drive down the cost of operation of our railway network. Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport with reference to the National Infrastructure Mr Love: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport Plan, what the total planned public expenditure on the what assessment she has made of the potential effects development of London Gateway Port Terminal is in on (a) the timetabling of and (b) potential overcrowding (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, on trains as a result of the decision to reduce the fleet (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated size on the new Greater Anglia franchise; and if she will date of completion is of the project. [88500] make a statement. [88398]

Robert Neill: I have been asked to reply on behalf of Mrs Villiers: The timetable will not change in the new the Department for Communities and Local Government. Greater Anglia franchise so a timetable assessment of There is no planned public expenditure on the London the fleet size was not necessary. The operator will have a Gateway port terminal in the years 2011-17. DP World fleet size which is smaller than the current National announced on 4 October 2011 that the port will open in Express East Anglia franchise. This will not mean that the 4th quarter of 2013. overcrowding is materially worse than it is today. Where a customer is currently able to find a seat, they will Railway Stations: Greater London continue to be able to do so.

Mr Love: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport River Thames: Bridges what plans she has to increase the number of stations on the London Liverpool Street to Enfield Town line Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for with ticketing barriers; and if she will make a Transport how much funding she has allocated to new statement. [88399] river crossings in London. [87483] Norman Baker: The Secretary of State for Transport, the right hon. Member for Putney (Justine Greening), Mrs Villiers: The Government will work with the has no plans to increase the number of stations on the Mayor of London and Transport for London (TfL) to London Liverpool Street to Enfield Town line with explore options for a river crossing at Silvertown. The ticketing barriers. This is a matter for the train operator Department for Transport already allocates a Transport if a business case to install gates can be made. Grant to Transport for London to support investment in London’s transport network. Under devolution it is Railway Stations: Manpower for the Mayor and TfL to determine transport spending priorities in London. Teresa Pearce: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport pursuant to the answer of 9 December 2011, Severn Bridges Act 1992 Official Report, column 422W, on railway stations: manpower, if she will (a) collect the information requested Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for on employment of station staff and (b) place a copy of Transport what discussions she has had on bringing the information in the Library. [88126] forward proposals to amend the Severn Bridges Act Mrs Villiers: There are no plans to collect this 1992 to increase tolls according to the consumer prices information. index. [87746] Railways: East Anglia Mike Penning: The Secretary of State for Transport, my right hon. Friend the Member for Putney (Justine Mr Love: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport Greening), has had no discussions on amending the what assessment she has made of the potential effects Severn Bridges Act to increase tolls according to the of reduction in the fleet size arising from the awarding consumer price index. of the Greater Anglia franchise on train services on the (a) London Liverpool Street to Enfield Town line and Transport: Planned Public Expenditure (b) Brimsdown to London King’s Cross line; and if she will make a statement. [88397] Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for Mrs Villiers: Abellio, the new operator of the Greater Transport with reference to the National Infrastructure Anglia franchise, presented plans in its bid for the Plan, (1) what the (a) total planned public expenditure franchise to operate the required train service through and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for the daily deployment of 232 four-car electric multiple the Leeds Inner Relief Road Maintenance; [87845] units (EMUs) out of a total fleet size of 251 units. The (2) what the (a) total planned public expenditure incumbent operator deploys 236 out of a fleet of 260 and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for units to run the same train service. Elmbridge Transport (Gloucester); [87846] 199W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 200W

(3) what the (a) total planned public expenditure (5) what the (a) total planned public expenditure and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for Darlaston (Walsall); [87847] the Loughborough Town Centre Transport Scheme. (4) what the (a) total planned public expenditure [87849] and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for the Croxley Rail Link (Watford); [87848] Norman Baker: The information requested is as follows:

Scheme Planned total public expenditure (£ million) Estimated completion date

Leeds Inner Relief Road Maintenance 25.0 November 2014 Elmbridge Transport (Gloucester) 15.1 June 2015 Darlaston (Walsall) 24.9 June 2015 Croxley Rail Link (Watford) 112.4 January 2016 Loughborough Town Centre Transport Scheme 16.3 March 2015

The total public expenditure figures include the planned rapid transit system in Bristol; and in which month of contributions from the Department for Transport, the which year she expects it to be completed; [88130] local authority promoters and any other public sector (2) what the total planned public expenditure is on bodies. the Morpeth Northern Bypass; and in which month of Funding for these schemes was announced on 14 which year she expects it to be completed; [88131] December 2011. Details of these and the other local (3) what the total planned public expenditure is on authority major transport schemes announced on the the Luton Town Centre Transport Scheme; and in same day are available on the Department’s website at: which month of which year she expects it to be http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/local-major-transport- completed; [88132] scheme-decisions (4) what the total planned public expenditure is on Scheme costs in the published table may include the Norwich Northern Distributor Road; and in which private sector contributions and therefore may not match month of which year she expects it to be completed; the above figures. [88134] (5) what the total planned public expenditure is on the Nottingham Ring Road; and in which month of Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for which year she expects it to be completed. [88135] Transport (1) what the total planned public expenditure is on the North Fringe to Hengrove bus Norman Baker: The information requested is as follows:

Scheme Planned total public expenditure (£ million) Estimated completion date

North Fringe to Hengrove Bus Rapid Transit 78.9 December 2016 Morpeth Northern Bypass 21.1 October 2015 Luton Town Centre Transport Scheme 17.2 August 2014 Norwich Northern Distributor Road 111.1 March 2017 Nottingham Ring Road 16.0 September 2015

The total public expenditure figures include the planned (2) what the total planned public expenditure on the contributions from the Department for Transport, the Loughborough Town Centre Transport scheme is in local authority promoters and any other public sector (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, bodies. (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated Funding for these schemes was announced on 14 date of completion is of the project; [88456] December 2011. Details of these and the other local (3) what the total planned public expenditure on the authority major transport schemes announced on the Leeds Inner Relief Road maintenance is in (a) same day are available on the Department’s website at: 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/local-major-transport- 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date scheme-decisions of completion is of the project; [88457] Scheme costs in the published table may include private sector contributions and therefore may not match (4) what the total planned public expenditure on the above figures. Elmbridge Transport (Gloucester) is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for is of the project; [88458] Transport with reference to the National Infrastructure Plan, (1) what the total planned public expenditure on (5) what the total planned public expenditure on the Luton Town Centre Transport scheme is in (a) Darlaston (Walsall) is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date what the estimated date of completion is of the project; of completion is of the project; [88455] [88459] 201W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 202W

(6) what the total planned public expenditure on the (18) what the total planned public expenditure on for Croxley Rail Link (Watford) is in (a) 2011-12, (b) the Pennine Reach (East Lancashire Rapid Transit) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) scheme is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17 and beyond; of the project; [88460] and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88473] (7) what the total planned public expenditure on the Coventry-Nuneaton Rail Upgrade is in (a) 2011-12, (19) what the total planned public expenditure on (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 Evesham Bridge Maintenance is in (a) 2011-12, (b) and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) completion is of the project; [88461] 2016-17 and beyond; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88474] (8) what the total planned public expenditure on Chester Road (Birmingham) is in (a) 2011-12, (b) (20) what the total planned public expenditure on for 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) the Kingskerwell Bypass (Devon/Torbay) is in the 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is financial year (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, of the project; [88462] (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17 and beyond; and what the estimated date of completion is of the (9) what the total planned public expenditure on the project; [88475] Camborne-Poole-Redruth Transport Package is in (a) (21) what the total planned public expenditure on the 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) Nottingham Ring Road is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; of completion is of the project; [88463] and what the estimated date of completion is of the (10) what the total planned public expenditure on the project; [88476] Beverley Integrated Transport Plan is in (a) 2011-12, (22) what the total planned public expenditure on for (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 the Norwich Northern Distributor Road is in (a) and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) completion is of the project; [88464] 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date (11) what the total planned public expenditure on the of completion is of the project; [88477] Bath Transportation Package is in (a) 2011-12, (b) (23) what the total planned public expenditure on the 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) North Fringe to Hengrove Bus Rapid Transit (Bristol) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is scheme is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, of the project; [88465] (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what (12) what the total planned public expenditure on the the estimated date of completion is of the project; Hucknall town centre improvement scheme is in the [88478] financial year (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (24) what the total planned public expenditure on the (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17 and beyond; Morpeth Northern Bypass is in (a) 2011-12, (b) and what the estimated date of completion is of the 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) project; [88467] 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88479] (13) what the total planned public expenditure on the London Road Bridge in Derby is in the financial year (25) what the total planned public expenditure on the (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, Northern Road Bridge in Portsmouth is in (a) (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17 and beyond; and what the 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) estimated date of completion is of the project; [88468] 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88481] (14) what the total planned public expenditure on the (26) what the total planned public expenditure on the A45 westbound bridge (Solihull) is in the financial year South Bristol Link phase 1 and 2 is in (a) 2011-12, (b) (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17 and beyond; and what the 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is estimated date of completion is of the project; [88469] of the project; [88482] (15) what the total planned public expenditure on the (27) what the total planned public expenditure on the Worcester Transport Strategy is in (a) 2011-12, (b) Bus Rapid Transit between Ashton Vale to Bristol 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) Temple Meads is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; of the project; [88470] and what the estimated date of completion is of the (16) what the total planned public expenditure on the project; [88483] Weston Package is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) (28) what the total planned public expenditure on 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; Supertram additional vehicles (Sheffield) is in (a) and what the estimated date of completion is of the 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) project; [88471] 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date (17) what the total planned public expenditure on the of completion is of the project; [88484] South Yorkshire Bus Rapid Transit Phase 1 (Sheffield/ (29) what the total planned public expenditure on the Rotherham) scheme is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) Lincoln eastern bypass is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88472] project; [88485] 203W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 204W

(30) what the total planned public expenditure on the Norman Baker: The level of public expenditure per Leeds Rail Growth scheme is in (a) 2011-12, (b) year on the schemes mentioned, as proposed by the 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) local authorities, is as set out on the relevant Best and 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is Final Funding Bid forms that they submitted. The of the project; [88486] forms are available through the following link: (31) what the total planned public expenditure on the http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/interoperability/final- funding-bids.pdf Access York Park and Ride scheme is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 For those schemes that the Government have now and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of approved, the planned public expenditure is as proposed completion is of the project; [88487] on the forms, with the following exceptions: The bids for A684 Bedale Aiskew and Leeming Bar (32) what the total planned public expenditure on the ByPass and Manchester Cross City Bus included elements A6182 White Rose Way Improvement scheme in of contingency (or optimism bias) of £7.923 million Doncaster is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, and £11.272 million respectively which we do not consider (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what to be planned expenditure. the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88488] The estimated cost, and therefore the planned expenditure, for Morpeth Northern ByPass has been (33) what the total planned public expenditure on the subsequently revised by the promoters to £30.105 million. A18-A180 Link (North East Lincolnshire) is in (a) A further private sector contribution of £0.432 million 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) has been identified for the Worcester Integrated Transport 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date Strategy, thereby reducing the planned public sector of completion is of the project; [88489] expenditure to £19.118 million. (34) what the total planned public expenditure on the There may be additional elements of local authority A164 from Humber Bridge to Beverley is in (a) expenditure on any of these schemes which were not 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) included on the forms as they are outside the Department’s 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date definition of eligible scheme costs. of completion is of the project; [88490] (35) what the total planned public expenditure for Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for the A684 Bedale-Aiskew-Leeming Bar bypass is in (a) Transport with reference to the National Infrastructure 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) Plan, (1) what the total planned public expenditure on 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date the Taunton Northern inner distributor road is in (a) of completion is of the project; [88491] 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date (36) what the total planned public expenditure for of completion is of the project; [88503] (a) the Crewe Green Link southern section is in (2) what the total planned public expenditure on the (b) (c) (d) (e) 2011-12, 2012-13, 2013-14, 2014-15, A57 M1 to Todwick Crossroads improvements on the (f) 2015-16 and 2016-17; and what the estimated date A57 is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) of completion is of the project; [88492] 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the (37) what the total planned public expenditure on the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88504] Manchester Cross City Bus is in (a) 2011-12, (b) (3) what the total planned public expenditure on the 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) Heysham to M6 link road is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) of the project; [88493] 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is (38) what the total planned public expenditure on the of the project; [88505] Rochdale interchange is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (4) what the total planned public expenditure on the (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; East of Exeter improvements to Junction 29 of the M5 and what the estimated date of completion is of the is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) project; [88494] 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88506] (39) what the total planned public expenditure on the A43 Corby link road is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (5) what the total planned public expenditure on the (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; Mansfield Public Transport Interchange is in (a) and what the estimated date of completion is of the 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) project; [88495] 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project; [88507] (40) what the total planned public expenditure on the (6) what the total planned public expenditure on the Tipner Interchange in Portsmouth is in (a) 2011-12, Midland Metro extension is in (a) 2011-12, (b) (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is completion is of the project; [88510] of the project; [88508] (41) what the total planned public expenditure on the (7) what the total planned public expenditure on the Sunderland Strategic Corridor is in (a) 2011-12, (b) Leeds Station southern access is in (a) 2011-12, (b) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2012-13, (c) 2013-14, (d) 2014-15, (e) 2015-16 and (f) 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is 2016-17; and what the estimated date of completion is of the project. [88571] of the project; [88509] 205W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 206W

(8) what the (a) total planned public expenditure Norman Baker: The planned public expenditure, per and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for annum, on the schemes mentioned, is as set out in the the Ipswich Fit for the 21st Century scheme; [88540] following table: (9) what the (a) total planned public expenditure and (b) estimated month and year of completion is for the Thornton to Switch Island Link. [88541]

Planned public expenditure £ million Scheme name 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17

A57 M1 to Todwick Crossroads improvements — 7.1 7.7 — — — East of Exeter improvements 7.3 3.9 2.4 0.4 0.2 — Heysham to M6 link road 2.2 2.2 54.1 43.4 26.0 0.7 Ipswich Fit for the 21st Century 1.4 9.6 9.2 0.7 — — Leeds Station southern access 1.0 0.5 11.7 1.2 — — Mansfield Public Transport Interchange 1.2 5.5 1.4 — — — Midland Metro extension 6.3 29.1 34.7 34.5 6.1 — Taunton Northern inner distributor road 0.2 8.9 6.4 1.1 — — Thornton to Switch Island Link 0.6 2.6 10.6 3.2 0.0 —

The figures in the table include the planned contributions Underground Railways: Greater London from the Department for Transport, the local authority promoters and any other public sector bodies. Maria Eagle: To ask the Secretary of State for There may be additional elements of local authority Transport whether she plans to allocate funding to the expenditure on these schemes which are not included in proposed extension of the Northern Line from the table as they are outside the Department’s definition Kennington to Nine Elms; and whether Transport for of eligible scheme costs. London and partner authorities will be able to borrow funds to fund the proposed extension. [87484] Transport: Weather Mrs Villiers: The Department for Transport allocates a Transport Grant to Transport for London to support Andrea Leadsom: To ask the Secretary of State for investment in London’s transport network. However, Transport what measures are in place to deal with under devolution it is for the Mayor and TfL, to determine severe weather in the winter of 2011-12. [88559] transport spending priorities in London. The Government announced their support for the Norman Baker: The Department has been working extension of the Northern line to Battersea on 29 with public and private sector organisations, across the November 2011, subject to commitment by April 2013 various transport modes, to boost resilience and from a developer to contribute to and develop the site. preparedness for winter weather. To encourage a developer to step forward, and to Salt stocks currently stand at over 2.7 million tonnes—a support the delivery of the development the Government million more than last year—and all transport modes will consider allowing the Mayor and partner authorities have refined and promoted their operational command to borrow against the Community Infrastructure Levy and control procedures to improve their response to to support this scheme; and creating an additional severe weather. enterprise zone at Battersea. Together these funding Last month the Secretary of State for Transport, the sources should be sufficient to meet the costs of the right hon. Member for Putney (Justine Greening), project. announced £16 million of investment in our rail infrastructure to help keep trains moving in snow and ice this winter, which is part of a £38 million industry spending programme to make sure the rail network is WORK AND PENSIONS better prepared for severe bad weather this time. Network Rail and the train operating companies have also taken Atos Healthcare a number of steps to improve the implementation of contingency timetables, and the provision of information to passengers during disruption. Tom Greatrex: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions where the trial for the deployment Heathrow and Gatwick airports have made significant of Atos-approved health care professionals in benefit investments in additional snow and ice clearance capacity, centres took place; how long the trial lasted; and how and in staff numbers available for snow clearance, with many Atos-approved health care professionals were Heathrow committing over £30 million to date and deployed as part of the trial. [87309] Gatwick investing £8 million . Severe cold weather will always cause some disruption Chris Grayling: The trial for the deployment of Atos- but the actions taken will ensure that the country’s approved health care professionals in benefit centres transport systems are better equipped to cope with took place in 33 benefit centres between January and them. July 2011. During the trial, a locally appointed health 207W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 208W care professional visited each of the benefit centres one In addition to carer’s allowance, carers on low incomes day per week. The following sites were involved in the can claim income-related benefits such as income support trial: and pension credit. These benefits can be paid to carers England at a higher rate through the carer premium or the Barnsley equivalent additional amount for carers respectively, both currently worth up to £31.00 a week. Basildon Birkenhead Personal independence payment is due to be introduced for working age recipients of disability living allowance Bolton from 2013 and will act as a gateway for carer’s allowance. Bradford It is the Government’s intention that both rates of the Bristol daily living component will be used as a gateway to Bury St Edmunds carer’s allowance. Both disability living allowance and Canterbury carer’s allowance will remain in payment until personal Gloucester independence payment is assessed and put into payment Halifax if appropriate. This will maintain the existing awards of benefit until the assessment process is complete. Disability Hanley living allowance will remain a gateway for carer’s allowance Hull for people who are not working age. Leeds From 2013, we are introducing universal credit, an Leicester integrated benefit which will be payable whether or not Luton people are in work. Above a disregard of earnings, the Newcastle universal credit award will reduce gradually as earnings Nottingham increase, due to the single earnings taper. The universal Preston credit award will include a carer element which will Stockton continue for as long as the carer provides care for at Stratford least 35 hours per week for a severely disabled person. The carer element will continue to be included in the Sunderland universal credit award when carer’s allowance ceases Totton because someone’s earnings place them above the limit Worcester for carer’s allowance, currently £100.00 a week net of Worthing certain expenses. Scotland The Department for Work and Pensions will continue Aberdeen to invest in supporting carers to return to work through Clyde and Fife Jobcentre Plus. The experience already gained allows Clydebank Jobcentre Plus offices to be more flexible in adapting Coatbridge services to meet local needs and to allow them to work in partnership to meet these needs. Glasgow Kilmarnock Jobcentre Plus currently offers, on a voluntary basis, to all carers working less than 16 hours per week and Wales irrespective of benefit status, subject to any existing Llanelli conditionality, a variety of support, including; adviser Merthyr Tydfil support; access to the Flexible Support Fund; payment Wrexham. for replacement care, child care, travel and course costs to allow the carer to undertake approved activity or Carers interviews with Jobcentre Plus, providers or employers; and Partnership Managers who gather local and national information to inform Jobcentre Plus advisers of the Graeme Morrice: To ask the Secretary of State for support and services available to carers. Work and Pensions what steps his Department is taking to increase support for unpaid carers. [87632] Cold Weather Payments Maria Miller: The Government recognise and appreciate the important role fulfilled by carers. Financial support for carers is provided through the Mr McCann: To ask the Secretary of State for Work social security benefits system. The main benefit available and Pensions how many cold weather payment to carers is carer’s allowance, which provides a measure temperature recording stations in each constituency of support for people who are unable to undertake have changed location since May 2010. [88103] full-time paid employment because of their caring responsibilities. With the introduction of the Welfare Steve Webb: At the end of every winter, DWP conducts Reform Bill, the Government announced that carer’s a review of the cold weather payment scheme. The allowance will continue to exist as a separate benefit review takes into account all the weather stations used providing an independent income for carers and recognition to provide data to the Met Office in respect of the of the role they play. Carer’s allowance is currently paid scheme, representations from Members of Parliament at £55.55 a week. The rate of carer’s allowance is and the public about the suitability of weather station increased annually in line with the Consumer Price to postcode linkages and any changes made by Royal Index (CPI). Mail to the postcode system. 209W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 210W

The Met Office as part of the review, provide expert Departmental Manpower advice and provide DWP with recommendations as to any necessary changes to linkages. These changes are Luciana Berger: To ask the Secretary of State for then made to the scheme before the start of the next Work and Pensions how many people were working in cold weather payment season. his Department on (a) 11 May 2010 and (b) 8 December 2011. [87345] The number of weather stations that have changed Chris Grayling: Staffing levels in the Department for location in each parliamentary constituency since May Work and Pensions are reported based on the Office for 2010 is shown in the following table. National Statistics (ONS) definitions which includes a standard reference point for reporting of the last day of Number the month. Figures are not therefore available for the Weather dates requested but are available for 30 April 2010 and station to 30 September 2011—the latest published figure. Postcode postcode The number of people working in the Department on linkage changes within Constituencies Winter changes a constituency affected 30 April 2010 was 119,099, and on 30 September 2011 this number was 102,415.

2010-11 360 112 70 Departmental NDPBs Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Work 2011-12 173 63 43 and Pensions how much funding his Department Notes provided to the (a) Pensions Advisory Service, (b) 1. The weather stations will cover areas outside of the parliamentary Pensions Regulator, (c) Pension Protection Fund and constituency. (d) Pensions Ombudsman in (i) 2010-11 and (ii) 2. Location changes may be due to either an MP request for the 2011-12; and if he will make a statement. [88334] mapping to be looked at the Met Office changing linkages or weather station closures. Steve Webb: The information is in the following table:

Funding provided (£ million) Arm’s length body 2010-11 2011-12

The Pensions Advisory Service 3.984 2.03 The Pensions Regulator 33.272 31.20 Pension Protection Fund 33.406 16.55 Pensions Ombudsman 2.81 1.99 Notes: 1. Data for 2010-11 are taken from the annual report and accounts of each arm’s length body for that year. Data for 2011-12 cover funding provided for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 December 2011. 2. Funding for The Pensions Advisory Service is recoverable through the General Levy charged to eligible pension schemes. 3. Funding for The Pensions Regulator is recoverable through the General Levy with the exception of resources provided by DWP for the auto enrolment employer compliance regime. In 2010-11 these resources totalled £7.963 million and for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 December 2011 £12.17 million. 4. Funding for the Pension Protection Fund (PPF) is recoverable through levies charged to eligible pension schemes with the exception of resources provided by DWP for the Financial Assistance Scheme. In 2010-11 these resources totalled £10.745 million and for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 December 2011 £5.73 million. 5. Funding for the Pensions Ombudsman (PO) is recoverable through the General Levy. The PO is also the Pension Protection Fund Ombudsman (PPFO). The amounts shown above incorporate the costs of both functions. Funding for the PPFO totalled £0.131 million in 2010-11 and £0.06 million for the period 1 April 11 to 31 December 2011. PPFO funding is recoverable through a PPFO levy, which is not currently being charged.

Departmental Redundancy Pay £ million

September 2011 0 Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Work October 2011 2.35 and Pensions how much redundancy pay was paid to November 2011 0 civil servants in his Department in each month between September and November 2011. [87970] These are pre-audit figures based on individual exit quotes provided by My Civil Service Pension. The numbers may be subject to minor adjustments once the Chris Grayling: The Department categorises funded Department receives the final invoice for transacting staff releases as either voluntary exit, voluntary redundancy these exit payments. or compulsory redundancy, and each category has its own unique terms and conditions. There were no voluntary or compulsory redundancies Departmental Temporary Employment in the given period, however as part of its current Transformation programme, the Department has offered Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Work selective voluntary exits in line with the Civil Service and Pensions how many temporary staff were recruited Compensation Scheme rules. These resulted in the following to his Department between September and November aggregate payments to civil servants during the period: 2011. [87971] 211W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 212W

Chris Grayling: Temporary staff are defined by the Disability Living Allowance: Autism Office for National Statistics as all staff with contracts, including fixed term, of less than 12 months. David Tredinnick: To ask the Secretary of State for Between September and November 2011 345 temporary Work and Pensions what the cost to his Department staff were recruited. Of these, 234 staff were recruited was of disability living allowance assessments in the last on fixed term appointments to fill essential posts in year for which figures are available; and what estimate operational delivery areas. The remaining temporary he has made of the cost of conducting personal recruits were largely taken on as part of the new DWP independence payment reassessments for those with Apprenticeship programme. complex needs, such as those with autism. [81641]

Maria Miller [holding answer 22 November 2011]: The cost of assessments in support of claims for disability Disability Living Allowance living allowance (DLA) in the last financial year (2010-11) was £14.046 million. These costs were solely for the charges incurred for the provision of evidence from Mr Virendra Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State ATOS Healthcare and GP’s and do not include costs for Work and Pensions pursuant to the answer of 8 incurred from processing applications. November 2011, Official Report, column 206W, on My Department has published estimates for personal disability allowance, what the cost to the public purse independence payment assessment services ranging between was of severe disablement allowance payments due to a £300 million to £500 million over three years for the main disabling condition which falls under those purpose of a competitive tender published in the Official ICD-10 diagnosis codes contained in the Department Journal of the European Union (OJEU). This would of Health’s programme budgeting category 07A for include all new applications and re-assessments for chronic pain for each local authority area in the latest those claimants who are of working age including those year for which figures are available. [88794] with autism.

Maria Miller: To categorise the disabling conditions Disability Living Allowance: Children of claimants for incapacity benefits, the Department uses its own Incapacity Reference Guide (IRG) which Ian Mearns: To ask the Secretary of State for Work details those conditions most relevant for benefit claims. and Pensions (1) how many households in England For the purposes of reporting and analysis, these IRG claim disability living allowance on behalf of a child codes are mapped onto the ICD-10 codes at the three-digit aged two; [88668] level. However, in specifying categories for programme budgeting, the Department of Health uses ICD-10 (2) how many households in England claim disability codes at the four-digit level, which provides a more living allowance on behalf of a child aged two years detailed classification of medical conditions. Therefore and are eligible for free school meals; [88670] because the IRG classifies medical conditions using (3) how many in-work households in England claim broader categories than the ICD-10 codes at four-digit disability living allowance on behalf of a child aged level, it has not been possible to identify those claimants two years and are in receipt of tax credits; [88671] whose main disabling condition would be contained in (4) how many out-of-work households in England category 07A. claim disability living allowance on behalf of a child An example is shown as follows: aged two years and are in receipt of child tax credit. [88672] ICD-10 three-digit category “R10 Abdominal and Pelvic Pain”. This contains five sub-categories Maria Miller: Disability living allowance is a non R10.0 Acute abdomen means-tested benefit, eligibility for tax credits or free R10.1 Pain localized to upper abdomen school meals is not relevant when determining a claim R10.2 Pelvic and perineal pain and therefore this information is not recorded. R10.3 Pain localized to other parts of lower abdomen Such information as is available is contained in the following table. R10.4 Other and unspecified abdominal pain Children aged two in receipt of disability living allowance, May 2011 of which four (excluding R10.0) are included in programme Number budgeting category 07A. Aged two 8,800 The IRG provides a subdivision of “abdominal and Notes: pelvic pain” into abdominal pain, colic (abdominal or 1. Caseloads are rounded to the nearest 10. intestinal), colic (other), Gastralgia, and pain in abdomen. 2. Figures do not include people with entitlement where the payment It is not possible to identify separately Acute abdomen, has been suspended, for example, if they are in hospital. which would be necessary in order to match the sub- 3. A diagnosed medical condition does not mean that someone is categories required for the Department of Health’s automatically entitled to DLA. Entitlement is dependent on an assessment of how much help someone needs with personal care programme budgeting. and/or mobility because of their disability. These statistics are only In general, because of the different methods of grouping, collected for administrative purposes. 4. DLA is awarded to individuals, not at a household level. Caseloads it is not always possible to accurately extract the cases given are number of claims in payment with respect to two-year-olds. to match with those in the Department of Health’s Source: programme budgeting categories. Department for Work and Pensions, Information Directorate 100%WPLS. 213W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 214W

Disability Living Allowance: Prisoners weather triggers. Payments are not therefore made as a result of a claim as prisoners are disqualified from Patrick Mercer: To ask the Secretary of State for receiving payment of any benefit. Consequently there Work and Pensions whether he has received any reports are no reports of prisoners claiming cold weather payments of prisoners claiming (a) disability living allowance while serving a custodial sentence. and (b) cold weather payments whilst in custody. Electrical Safety [87707] Graham Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Maria Miller: I have not received any such reports. Work and Pensions how many people were (a) killed Prisoners retain an underlying entitlement to DLA, and (b) seriously injured in circumstances attributable but they are disqualified from receiving any payment of to unsafe electrical fittings in a workplace in each of benefit. People who are held in legal custody as a result the last four years. [88746] of a conviction for a criminal offence are required to inform the Department as soon as possible and failure Chris Grayling: The information is not available at to inform the Department may lead to recoverable the level of detail requested. The following table provides overpayments of DLA. statistics on injuries to workers involving contact with The cold weather payment scheme is a fully automated electricity or electrical discharge reported under the service and payments are made to eligible people by the reporting of injuries, diseases and dangerous occurrences benefits computer systems when a period of severe cold regulations between 2007-08 to 2010-11.

Severity of injury Employment status 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10 2010-111

Fatal injuries Employee 9436 Self-employed 1311 Workers (Total) 10 7 4 7

Non-fatal major injuries Employee 83 93 75 89 Self-employed 4 6 11 12 Workers (Total) 87 99 86 101 1 The data for 2010-11 are provisional at this time.

Employment and Support Allowance Employment Schemes

Toby Perkins: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and and Pensions how many decisions on applications for Pensions what criteria are to be used to determine employment support allowance were (a) turned down, suitable employment for Mandatory Work Activity. (b) appealed against and (c) upheld on appeal in each [88122] month since the work capability assessment was introduced. [88779] Chris Grayling: Mandatory Work Activity is delivered by contracted providers and they have responsibility for Chris Grayling: The Department regularly publishes sourcing placements across a range of sectors. The statistics on the employment and support allowance placements will last for four weeks and will usually be (ESA) work capability assessment. The latest report for 30 hours per week. Placements will take account of covers new claimants to ESA to February 2011 (the agreed restrictions that a claimant might have on their latest data available) and can be found here: jobseeker’s agreement (JSAg). http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/workingage/ index.php?page=esa_wca The Department is not specifying what the nature of each placement should be, but does expect that every Table 1 in the above publication shows that for all placement will be additional to existing or planned ESA claims started between October 2008 and February vacancies and offer people the opportunity to gain 2011, 574,800 (38%) were assessed to be Fit for Work at fundamental work disciplines, as well as being of benefit initial assessment. to local communities. Table 3 presents data on ESA claims where the person claiming has been assessed as Fit for Work, they Stephen Timms: To ask the Secretary of State for subsequently appeal the Department’s decision and the Work and Pensions whether Work programme appeal has been heard by the Tribunals Service. It providers are paid a fee (a) for referring a person to shows that for the 462,100 ESA claims starting between Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) and (b) in respect October 2008 and August 2010 (the latest month where of each person (i) attending and (ii) completing MWA; sufficient volumes of appeals have been heard to publish) and how much the fee is in each case. [88557] which were assessed as fit to work at the initial assessment there were 181,900 appeals heard (39% of fit for work Chris Grayling: Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) is assessments). This does not include appeals which have not available to Work programme participants, and not yet been heard. only Jobcentre Plus advisers can refer an individual to Of these appeals 112,200 (62%) concluded in favour the provision. There is therefore no question of payments of the Department such that the original decision was being made to Work programme providers for referrals, upheld. nor for people attending and completing MWA. 215W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 216W

Sheila Gilmore: To ask the Secretary of State for Leicestershire Partnership—NHS East Midlands Work and Pensions how many claimants have been West Lindsey Council referred from (a) employment support allowance and Community Enterprise Derby (b) jobseeker’s allowance to Work Choice since its Erewash District Council introduction in October 2010 in (i) Edinburgh, (ii) Bolsover District Council Scotland and (iii) the UK. [88690] First Movement Maria Miller: The Department is working to guidelines Northampton Enterprise set by the UK Statistics Authority to ensure we are able Asian Women’s Project to publish official statistics on referrals to Work Choice Nottingham City Council in spring 2012. These timescales take account of the Stride Sharp Trading Leicester/Stride newness of the provision and the length of time it will Leicester City Council—Leicester and Leicestershire Partnership take for sustained job outcomes to be realised. Groundwork Lincolnshire Employment: Young People Enable Action Deafness Tony Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Lincolnshire Dance Work and Pensions what steps he has taken to ensure NACRO—(as part of a national bid) the Youth Contract supports young people with (a) Places for People—(as part of a national bid) autism and (b) disabilities to access employment. Groundwork—(as part of a national bid) [88308] Salvation Army—(as part of a national bid) Chris Grayling: We are committed to ensuring that Royal Society of Wildlife Trust—(as part of a national bid) people with a health condition or a disability have the Football League Trust—(as part of a national bid) same employment opportunities and chances as everyone Action for Children—(as part of a national bid) else to find and stay in paid employment and this will Novas Scarman—(as part of a national bid) apply within the delivery of the YouthContract, including Artswork(ENYAN)—(as part of a national bid) Wage Incentives. 3SC—(as part of a national bid) In addition, disabled claimants may be able to access CSV—(as part of a national bid) a range of specialist employment provision including: Sustrans—(as part of a national bid) Early access to the Work programme. The referral process will give harder to help groups, such as disabled people, access to the Aspire Foundation—(as part of a national bid) personalised, individual support at the appropriate stage in their Creative and Cultural Skills—(as part of a national bid) claim. Disabled people who have been claiming jobseeker’s allowance National Association of Citizens Advice Bureau—(as part of for three months will have the opportunity to volunteer for early a national bid) access to the Work programme to ensure they receive it within a time scale that is most appropriate to them. National Association of Clubs for Young People—(as part of a national bid) Work Choice began in October 2010. It provides tailored support to help disabled people who face the most complex National Skills Academy for Sport and Active Leisure—(as barriers find and stay in work and ultimately help them progress part of a national bid) into unsupported employment, where it is appropriate for the National Trust—(as part of a national bid) individual. Work Choice is voluntary and available regardless of Ixions/New Deal of the Mind—(as part of a national bid) any benefits being claimed. Russell Commission Implementation Body (v-inspired)—(as Access to Work provides practical advice and financial support part of a national bid) to employed disabled people above and beyond what the employer could reasonably provide, to help them overcome obstacles resulting from disability. Housing Benefit: Females Disability Employment Advisers are also available to provide specialist support to people facing employment challenges because Jessica Morden: To ask the Secretary of State for of a health condition or disability and Work Psychologists work with both claimants and advisers to help improve employment Work and Pensions pursuant to the answer of 14 December outcome. 2011, Official Report, column 761W,on housing benefit: females, how many women his Department estimates Future Jobs Fund will be affected by the changes; and what the average weekly change in income will be. [87804] Jonathan Ashworth: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions which employers in (a) the East Steve Webb: The following table sets out estimates of Midlands and (b) Leicester City have participated in the numbers of people in Wales affected by the following the Future Job Fund programme. [87657] LHA reforms: setting LHA rates at the 30th percentile of Private Rented Chris Grayling: The Department does not hold records Sector (PRS) rents; of the individual organisations that provided temporary restricting LHA levels to the four-bedroom rate and applying placements through the Future Jobs Fund (FJF). Bids maximum weekly caps; for FJF funding were submitted on a regional or national increasing the Shared Accommodation Rate (SAR) age threshold basis. The Lead Accountable Bodies who were successful to 35. in receiving FJF awards in the East Midlands region are The table includes estimates of the average weekly listed as follows: financial loss per loser. The figures are based on an Healthy hub estimated caseload of 48,710. 217W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 218W

contributions in respect of the earnings received by Average loss per Number affected loser (£) their employees from their employment. This accounting must be undertaken on a monthly basis (quarterly basis 30th percentile1 43,270 -8 for some employers) using the PAYE system. Four-bedroom rate and 200 -34 maximum weekly caps2 New Enterprise Allowance Shared Accommodation 3,080 -24 Rate3 1 Table 16 Tony Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/impacts-of-hb-proposals.pdf Work and Pensions (1) whether he has set a target for 2 Table 20 take-up of the new enterprise allowance by over 50s; http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/impacts-of-hb-proposals.pdf 3 Annex 2, Table 1 and what the timescale is for any such target to be met; http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/eia-hb-shared-accommodation-age- [88306] threshold.pdf (2) what estimate he has made of take-up of the new The published impact documents do not give separate enterprise allowance (a) by over 50s and (b) in each figures for females, either the number affected in Wales region of the UK. [88441] or the average loss. However the following table gives an estimate of the breakdown by household type of those Chris Grayling: We have set no targets nor have we affected by the measures at a national level. made estimates for the take up of the new enterprise allowance (NEA) by unemployed people aged over 50. Percentage Household type We have made funding available for 40,000 NEA Single Single places over two years. The following table shows the female male Couple projected breakdown of places by region. Title: Projected breakdown of NEA places by region1 30th percentile1 47 30 22 Volumes (2011-12 to 2012-13) Four-bedroom rate and 50 19 31 2 maximum weekly caps East 2,800 Shared Accommodation 28 72 n/a East Midlands 2,600 Rate3 London 5,900 1 Table 25 http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/lha-eia-nov10.pdf North East 2,800 2 Table15andTable20 North West 5,200 http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/lha-eia-nov10.pdf Scotland 4,300 3 Table 2 South East 3,100 http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/eia-hb-shared-accommodation-age- threshold.pdf South West 2,100 Note: Wales 2,100 Figures may not sum to 100 owing to rounding. West Midlands 5,000 Jobcentre Plus: Finance Yorkshire and the Humber 4,200 Total 40,000 Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and 1 Numbers rounded to the nearest 100. Pensions how much funding Jobcentre Plus is to receive in order to deliver extra support for 18-24 year olds as Pensions part of the Youth Contract. [88124] Katy Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Chris Grayling: The Youth Contract builds on the and Pensions (1) if he will take steps to encourage support already available through Jobcentre Plus and private pension providers to increase the level of the Work programme and is worth almost £1 billion annuities they offer; [87753] over the next three years. The final cost of elements of (2) what assessment he has made of the extent to the increased support through Jobcentre Plus such as which the annuity rates offered by private pension weekly signing will be driven by the volume of claimants. providers act as an incentive for people to save for their National Insurance Contributions retirement. [87759]

Brandon Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Hoban: I have been asked to reply on behalf of Work and Pensions what obligations employers participating the Treasury. in private financial benefits schemes have to ensure that Annuity rates are determined by the market and National Insurance contributions are paid on a regular influenced by a number of factors. The Government do basis on behalf of their employees. [87665] not prescribe the terms, conditions or price that insurance companies may set when offering annuity products. As Mr Gauke: I have been asked to reply on behalf of a rule, insurers use their claims experience and other the Treasury. industry-wide statistics to assess the risks posed by an Under the terms of the Social Security Contributions individual and set the terms and price at which they will and Benefits Act 1992, the Social Security Administration offer an annuity. Act 1992 and the Social Security (Contributions) People approaching retirement can shop around by Regulations 2001 employers are required to account to exercising the ’Open Market Option’ to find the best Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs for both primary income in retirement for their personal circumstances. (employee) and secondary (employer) national insurance A working group set up by the Government are examining 219W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 220W how to encourage people to use the open market option. also makes direct referrals to DWP Visiting for welfare The Government will be announcing the outcome of benefit visits to former Gurkhas in the Aldershot area this work in the spring. and across the UK. The Government also recognises the importance of The Department’s benefit administrative systems do encouraging people to save for retirement. The Government not record whether or not individuals claiming benefits are introducing automatic enrolment as part of their are former Gurkhas and therefore the information on Workplace Pension Reforms to tackle consumer inertia how many cases of former Gurkhas officials the and increase the number of people saving for retirement. Department have dealt with as part of its joint work with the Gurkha Welfare Trust in Aldershot since 2009 Poverty: Children is not available.

Mr David Hamilton: To ask the Secretary of State for Troubled Families Scheme: Wales Work and Pensions what plans he has to alter the measure of child poverty contained within the Child Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Poverty Act 2010. [88442] Work and Pensions how much of the funding for the Troubled Families scheme announced on 15 December Maria Miller: The Government set out their approach 2011 will be spent in Wales. [87713] to measuring child poverty in the child poverty strategy, published in April 2011 and available at: Grant Shapps: I have been asked to reply on behalf of www.education.gov.uk/childpovertystrategy the Department for Communities and Local Government. In this, the Government stated that we recognise the As outlined in the written ministerial statement of 15 importance of the four income measures set out in the December 2011, Official Report, columns 110-111WS, Act, but the strategy requires a broader approach, this is an England-wide initiative. It is targeted at the focused on measures that genuinely track changes and Government’s ambition to turn around the lives of improvements in families’ lives. Looking at income 120,000 most troubled families in councils across England. measures alone creates too narrow a focus and fails to Responsibility for dealing with families with multiple address the root causes of poverty. That is why the problems living in Wales, including the allocation of strategy established a broader suite of indicators that any funding, has been devolved to the Welsh Assembly. capture family resources, family circumstances and children’s life chances. Unemployment: Older Workers Sick Leave: Pain Tony Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Mrs Riordan: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Work and Pensions what steps he is taking to reduce and Pensions what estimate his Department has made unemployment levels among those aged between 50 of the number of working days lost as a result of and 65. [88307] chronic pain in England in the last 12 months; and if he will make a statement. [88089] Steve Webb: Jobcentre Plus treats jobseekers of all ages equally, and older jobseekers have the same access Chris Grayling: The Department for Work and Pensions to a comprehensive menu of individually tailored help does not have estimates of the number of working days as those under 50 (apart from the specific options for lost as a result of chronic pain, although we estimate jobseekers aged under 25). Support is tailored to the that up to 140 million days are lost to sickness absence individual needs of each jobseeker, including help with in the GB as a whole. The recently published review by work-related training and job-search support. Older Dame Carol Black and David Frost “Health at work: jobseekers who are eligible can also access Get Britain an independent review of sickness absence” Working measures, such as Work Clubs, Work Together, http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/health-at-work.pdf and the New Enterprise Allowance for individuals who are looking to become self-employed. contains considerable up to date evidence on the health of the working age population and sickness absence. The Work programme will also provide support for those who are more at risk of long-term unemployment. Social Security Benefits: Gurkhas Work programme providers are free to innovate and design support based on the needs of individuals, and will be paid primarily for the results they achieve in Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for supporting people into sustained employment. All Work and Pensions how many cases of former jobseeker’s allowance, employment and support allowance Gurkhas officials in his Department have dealt with as and pension credit claimants can access the Work part of its joint work with the Gurkha Welfare Trust in programme at a time that is right for them. Aldershot since 2009. [88070]

Chris Grayling: The Department for Work and Pensions Unemployment: Young People works closely with the Gurkha Welfare Trust, including providing a weekly information and advice point staffed Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and by DWP advisers at GWT’s Gurkha Welfare Centre in Pensions what organisations will be eligible to receive Aldershot. DWP advisers are also able to provide additional funding from his Department’s Innovation Fund to ad hoc advice sessions at the centre to meet demand. support 16 and 17 year olds not in education, DWP advisers report seeing, on average, around 10-12 employment or training to enter an apprenticeship or former Gurkhas per week. The Gurkha Welfare Centre employment with training. [88125] 221W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 222W

Chris Grayling: Any organisation in the public, private, Work Experience: Private Sector or voluntary sector is eligible to bid for the Innovation Fund, either as an investor, intermediary or as a delivery Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and organisation within a social investment partnership. Pensions what proportion of businesses taking part in his Department’s work experience scheme he expects to be in the private sector. [88123] Work Capability Assessments: Kilmarnock Chris Grayling: No formal estimates have been made with regards to the proportion of work experience Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for places in the private sector. I would expect a majority of Work and Pensions (1) how many residents of Kilmarnock places to be in the private sector. and Loudoun constituency aged (a) under 30, (b) 31 to 40, (c) 41 to 50 and (d) over 50 have been assessed by Atos Healthcare since it began undertaking medical assessments for his Department; [88155] DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER (2) how many residents of each postcode area in Departmental Equality Kilmarnock and Loudoun constituency have been assessed by Atos Healthcare since it began undertaking medical assessments for his Department; [88168] Mr Thomas: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what equality impact assessments he has carried out since (3) how many residents of Kilmarnock and May 2010; and for what purpose in each case. [88579] Loudoun constituency have been assessed by Atos Healthcare (a) in each of the last 12 months and (b) Mr Harper: The Cabinet Office considers equality in each month since Atos began undertaking medical issues in exercising its functions, to comply with equality assessments for his Department. [88169] legislation and to ensure it understands how its activities will affect different people. It provides information about Chris Grayling: The information could be provided this consideration in various ways. In the specified only at disproportionate cost. period, this information was sometimes published in the form of an equality impact assessment, although there has never been a legal requirement to produce Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for such a document. Work and Pensions how many residents of Kilmarnock The Constitution Group within the Cabinet Office and Loudoun constituency who (a) have cerebral palsy, has published two such documents during the period. (b) have osteoporosis, (c) are registered blind, (d) have This includes an Equality Impact Assessment for the hearing impairment, (e) have multiple sclerosis, (f) Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill have autistic spectrum disorders, (g) are carers, (h) which was published on 7 January 2011, and an Equality have learning difficulties and (i) have mental health Impact Assessment for the draft Individual Electoral disorders have been assessed by Atos Healthcare since it Registration legislation which was published on 30 June began undertaking medical assessments for his Department; 2011. These are available on the Cabinet Office website. and what proportion of the total number of assessments undertaken by Atos each figure represents. [88170] Electoral Register

Chris Ruane: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he Chris Grayling: The information requested for will consider the merits of giving additional powers to employment and support allowance (ESA) is not available the Electoral Commission to require under performing at parliamentary constituency level. Furthermore, any electoral registration officers to follow Government breakdowns by specific medical conditions to small guidelines on electoral registration. [88091] geographical areas risk identification of individuals as the numbers in each category are likely to be very small. Mr Harper: The Government are considering how to However, for ESA the Department has published ensure the electoral registration system operates in the information at a Great Britain level on the numbers and best interests of voters. In this context we are considering outcomes of initial work capability assessments by primary means of ensuring adequate performance by Electoral medical condition. The outcomes include the results of Registration Officers, including the recommendation any appeals heard. The medical conditions are based on from the Political and Constitutional Reform Committee the International Classifications of Diseases, 10th Edition, to give the Electoral Commission powers to intervene published by the World Health Organisation. It is available where Electoral Registration Officers fail to meet agreed at the following links: performance standards. We will respond to the Committee’s report in due course. http://statistics.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/adhoc_analysis/2011/ 110919_med_cond.pdf Chris Ruane: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he http://statistics.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/adhoc_analysis/2011/ will consider the merits of additional ring-fenced 110906_wcaresultsbycondition_clean.xls funding for electoral activities resulting from new The information requested for other benefits that legislation. [88092] Atos Healthcare undertake medical assessments for, such as disability living allowance and attendance allowance, Mr Harper: Under current arrangements, it is the is not routinely reported and can be obtained only at responsibility of local authorities to allocate resources disproportionate cost to the Department. from the revenue support grant provided by central 223W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 224W

Government to fund electoral registration activities and EDUCATION any polls that they have the responsibility for funding. The Government are committed to funding any additional electoral registration and polling activity and in respect Academies: Bournemouth of electoral activities more generally, will ensure that Electoral Registration Officers and Returning Officers are resourced to carry out their duties. Mr Ellwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how many secondary schools in Bournemouth (a) are considering applying to and (b) Chris Ruane: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what have applied to adopt academy status. [84075] his policy is on methods to ensure a full and reliable canvass in 2014. [88094] Mr Gibb [holding answer 1 December 2011]: As of 1 December 2011, three secondary schools in Bournemouth Mr Harper: Electoral Registration Officers (EROs) borough council have applied to convert to academy will carry out an amended canvass as part of the status, and all three have now converted. In addition, a transition to Individual Electoral Registration in 2014. special school (age range five to 16) applied to convert In 2014 registered electors on the electoral register will to academy status and received an academy order on 25 be sent a personally addressed application form inviting November. A further two secondary schools have registered them to register under the new system. EROs will also an interest in applying to convert to academy status. send out household canvass forms to those properties Two secondary schools have become sponsored where there are no registered electors, or where they academies. believe that those on the register for that property are Full details of schools that have formally applied for no longer present, This will help identify eligible electors academy status, as well as a list of academies that have who will then be individually invited to register under opened in the academic year 2010/11, can be found on the new registration system. the Department for Education academies website at: EROs will be obliged to chase non-responses to the http://www.education.gov.uk/schools/leadership/typesof schools/ individual invitations to apply to register and to the academies/a0069811/schools-submitting-applications-and- household canvass forms; this will include the use of academies-that-have-opened-in-201011 door-to-door canvassers. This will help identify people who have not received an invitation to register and encourage those who have not applied to register to do Colleges so. Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for Chris Ruane: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what Education with reference to the Autumn Statement, assessment he has made of the factors underlying the what assessment he has made of the availability of change in the number of unregistered voters between capital support for sixth form colleges. [87630] December 2010 and April 2011; and what steps he plans to take to reduce the number of unregistered Mr Gibb: On 13 December 2011, the Secretary of voters. [88095] State for Education, my right hon. Friend the Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove), announced the total Mr Harper: The Electoral Commission’s research capital allocation for 2012-13. This included £107 million into the completeness and accuracy of the electoral of capital funding that would be available to meet registers in 2010 and 2011, confirms that the electoral maintenance and building needs of sixth form colleges register is at its most complete and accurate following and demographic pressures for new 16-19 places in the annual canvass when it is published in December. schools, Academies and sixth form colleges. The greatest reason for the decline in completeness £59.1 million of this funding will be allocated to the following the publication of the December register is sixth form college Building Condition Improvement people moving home. We are looking at how we can Fund in 2012-13 to address priority building condition better help home movers to get on the electoral register needs within the sixth form college sector. in the right place as part of the move to Individual In addition £44 million will be available in the coming Electoral Registration. financial year for basic need funding for additional places for 16-19 year old students where there are demographic pressures in schools, Academies and sixth Lobbying form colleges. This funding will also support the provision of new places in mainstream settings, including in FE colleges, for students with learning difficulties and Julian Sturdy: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister disabilities. when he plans to publish his proposed register of lobbyists. [88320] The balance of the funding (£4 million) is Devolved Formula Capital (DFC) for sixth form colleges, repeating the investment introduced for sixth form colleges in Mr Harper: The Government have repeatedly emphasised 2011-12. In 2012-13 all sixth form colleges will remain the commitment made in the Coalition programme for eligible for DFC at a rate of £4000 per college plus government to bring greater transparency to lobbying £22.50 per student. This means the average allocation to by establishing a statutory register. We plan to bring a sixth form college will be in the region of £40,000. forward proposals in the coming weeks. This funding is primarily for planned maintenance. 225W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 226W

Co-operatives Departmental Equality

Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Education Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Education what steps (a) his Department and (b) those bodies for what equality impact assessments his Department has which his Department is responsible are taking to mark carried out since May 2010; and for what purpose in UN Year of the Co-operative 2012; and if he will make each case. [88575] a statement. [88605] Tim Loughton: A full list of the equality impact Tim Loughton: The Department and those bodies for assessments published by the Department since May which it is responsible is not specifically marking the 2010 can be found on our website here: UN Year of the Co-operative 2012. http://www.education.gov.uk/aboutdfe/policiesandprocedures/ equalityanddiversity/a0063621/equality-impact-assessments- carried-out-since-may-2010 A hard copy of this information has been placed in Departmental Advertising the House Libraries. Tom Blenkinsop: To ask the Secretary of State for Departmental Mobile Phones Education how much his Department has spent advertising (a) in total, (b) in newspapers and magazines, (c) on Lyn Brown: To ask the Secretary of State for television and radio and (d) online since May 2010. Education how much his Department spent on (a) the [83483] purchase of and (b) bills for (i) BlackBerrys and (ii) mobile telephones for (A) Ministers, (B) special Tim Loughton: The Department for Education (DfE) advisers and (C) officials in his Department in the last has approved a total of £66,678.71 on advertising since 12 months for which figures are available. [72335] May 2010. These costs relate to recruitment advertising Tim Loughton: During the last 12 months between undertaken to fill DfE job vacancies or attract volunteers September 2010 to August 2011, the Department for to act as expert advisors to the Department across key Education spent the following on BlackBerry smartphones policy areas (non-salaried posts). and mobile telephones (all costs exclude VAT): The figures used in this response are taken from For (A) Ministers, the Department spent no money records of the exemption applications approved across at all on the purchase of BlackBerrys and mobile telephones, the marketing and advertising spending controls. Final, reusing existing handsets as required. The total bill for actual spend is not recorded and to provide individual, BlackBerry usage was £1,209.65 and since no Ministers actual costs for each post advertised would exceed the used departmental mobile phones in the period, there disproportionate cost threshold. were no charges for their use. The recruitment activity included newspaper, sector/ For (B) special advisers, the Department spent £204 specialist magazine and online advertising. The cost on the purchase of one new BlackBerry and again breakdown against each media is not recorded. reused existing handsets where necessary. The total bill for BlackBerry usage was £803.77 and since no special £ advisers used departmental mobile phones in the period, Schools Bureaucracy Reduction Group—advert for new members 4,000 there were no charges for their use. Director of Communication recruitment advertising 10,068 For (C) officials in the Department (excluding Ministers European Schools system recruitment 8,000 and special advisers), £18,371.00 was spent on the Speechwriter recruitment advertising 1,570 procurement of 142 BlackBerrys and £2,285.00 for 25 Chief Executive of the Standards and Testing Agency recruitment 7,000 mobile telephones. The total bill for their use was advertising £240,513.81. Education Advisors—advert for new member 7,500 Standards and testing agency recruitment of head of test development 2,000 Departmental Official Hospitality Standards and testing agency recruitment of two test development 4,500 researcher posts Mr Hain: To ask the Secretary of State for Education Teaching Agency CEO recruitment advertising 5,750 whether any (a) Ministers and (b) special advisers in Education Funding Agency—Head of Capital recruitment advertising 12,965 his Department have received hospitality from Japan Head of News recruitment advertising 3,325.71 Tobacco International since May 2010. [87611] Tim Loughton: None of the Ministers or special No paid-for television or radio advertising and no advisers in the Department for Education have received paid-for campaign advertising has been undertaken since hospitality from Japan Tobacco International since May May 2010. 2010. Costs for the last three years are as follows: The Department for Education publishes information about hospitality received by Ministers and special advisers £ on a quarterly basis. Information for the period 13 May Total Total newspapers Total Total online 2010 to 30 June 2011 can be viewed on the Department’s advertising and television (includes website via the following links: spend magazines and radio search) http://www.education.gov.uk/aboutdfe/ 2007/08 9,101,642 2,263,659 4,705,653 1,561,314 departmentalinformation/transparency/b0065263/ministers- quarterly-returns 2008/09 20,712,822 5,394,640 9,548,579 2,676,032 2009/10 20,469,182 4,655,022 10,435,211 3,104,982 http://www.education.gov.uk/aboutdfe/departmental information/ transparency/a0065912/special-advisers-quarterly-returns 227W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 228W

Information for July to September 2011 will be published Departmental Temporary Employment in due course. Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Departmental Recruitment Education how many temporary staff have been recruited to his Department between September and Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for November 2011. [87998] Education how much his Department spent on recruitment agencies in each month since September Tim Loughton: Between September and December 2011. [87999] 2011, four temporary members of staff were recruited, three in September and one in October. Tim Loughton: The Department has spent the following Design: Education amounts on the provision of temporary staff via the two recruitment agencies with which it has a contract. Mr Laurence Robertson: To ask the Secretary of Spend (£) State for Education what assessment he has made of the level of future provision of Design and Technology September 77,108.27 education for 11 to 14 year olds. [86968] October 78,713.38 November 74,461.91 Mr Gibb [holding answer 19 December 2011]: The December 144,239.70 Government’s review of the National Curriculum is Total 274,452.26 considering whether a number of subjects, including 1 Further invoices are expected for December. design and technology, should be a part of the National During this period the Department has not incurred Curriculum, and if so at which key stages. The review is any expenditure with a recruitment agency for the being informed by responses to the Call for Evidence recruitment of permanent staff. issued on 20 January 2011 and by evidence from the education systems of high-performing countries. We will be announcing our initial proposals for the National Departmental Redundancy Pay Curriculum this year, following which there will be full public consultation before final decisions are made. Jon Trickett: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how much redundancy pay was paid to civil Drugs: Health Education servants in his Department in each month between September and November 2011. [87997] Diana Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for Education what discussions he has had with ministerial Tim Loughton: The Department has not made any colleagues on the role of education in schools in tackling redundancy payments. However, it has funded a number drug and alcohol abuse by young people. [88407] of approved voluntary exits over the period. All compensation payments have been made in line with Sarah Teather: The Government approach to the role civil service compensation scheme rules and these payments of education in tackling drug and alcohol misuse is set are set out in the following table: out in the Government Drug Strategy published December 2010. The Drug Strategy Inter-Ministerial Group, which Total amount of includes Ministers from seven Government Departments, compensation paid meets regularly to discuss progress against drug strategy Number of staff (£) commitments. September 2011 6 227,186 All schools should teach pupils about the effects of October 2011 Fewer than 5 149,996 drugs (including alcohol, tobacco, volatile substances November 2011 7 419,537 and medicines) through the non-statutory framework for personal, social, health and economic education (PSHE) and as part of the statutory National Curriculum Departmental Secondment for Science. The Government are currently reviewing PSHE Huw Irranca-Davies: To ask the Secretary of State education including drug and alcohol education. The for Education what secondments there have been to his aim of the review is to determine how we can support Department from (a) industry and (b) the third sector schools to improve the quality of all PSHE teaching since May 2010; what the (i) purpose and (ii) duration while giving teachers the flexibility to use their professional is of each secondment; and whether each secondment judgment to meet the needs of their pupils. The first was to a policy development role. [86138] phase of the review has completed and the Department will be publishing proposals for public consultation in Tim Loughton: Since May 2010 there were fewer than 2012. five people seconded from the third sector into the Department. These lasted around 12 months and were Education Maintenance Allowance to support the Munro Review, the review and development of the special education needs Green Paper and evidenced- Tom Blenkinsop: To ask the Secretary of State for based interventions for looked after children. Of these, Education what assessment he has made of the effect one secondment was in a policy development capacity. of ending education maintenance allowance on Over the same period, there were no secondments retention and enrolment rates in the further education from the industry sector. sector in 2011. [87394] 229W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 230W

Mr Gibb: There is no evidence that the ending of into as a condition of planning consent. The Department education maintenance allowance (EMA) has had an will continue to fund Free Schools to meet commitments impact on overall levels of retention and enrolment under section 106 agreements where required. rates in the further education sector. On 15 December The Government believe that the creation of new the Government published ‘Building Engagement, Building schools is strongly in the national interest. As the Planning Futures’, which sets out our strategy for increasing Policy Statement of 15 August 2011 makes clear, conditions participation among 16-24 year olds. Access for young placed on school development by local planning authorities people to financial support, through the 16-19 Bursary should therefore only be those absolutely necessary to Fund, is a key element of this strategy. The Department make the development acceptable in planning terms. is commissioning an independent evaluation of the Bursary Fund which will commence in due course. GCSE Education: Harrow Charlotte Leslie: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how many 16 year olds in each (a) region, Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for (b) local authority and (c) parliamentary constituency Education for what reasons the London borough of achieved C grades or better in both English and Harrow received the lowest funding per pupil through mathematics GCSE last year. [86235] total basic need grant compared to other outer London boroughs in 2011-12; and if he will make a statement. Mr Gibb: The information requested has been placed [88786] in the House Libraries. Mr Gibb: Basic need funding is not calculated on a Damian Hinds: To ask the Secretary of State for per pupil basis but on an assessment of the aggregate Education which GCSE subjects are (a) tiered and (b) need in each area. untiered; and whether there is variation between In the main allocation for basic need in 2011-12 the awarding bodies as to which GCSE subjects are tiered. London borough of Harrow received £3.171 million. [87808] The allocation was based on the growth expected between the base year (2010-11) and the forecast year (2013-14). Mr Gibb: This is a matter for the Office of Qualifications In Harrow, the data showed that there was a need for and Examinations Regulation and I have asked its chief primary places, but no need for additional secondary executive, Glenys Stacey to write directly to my hon. places (secondary places attract a higher weighting). Friend. A copy of her reply will be placed in the House The allocation methodology for the additional £500 Libraries. million in 2011-12 used a different methodology and Letter from Glenys Stacey, dated 10 January 2012: was based solely on shortfall in pupil places (the difference I am responding to your parliamentary question raised with between the current capacity and the forecast). The regard to which subjects are tiered at GCSE and possible variations London borough of Harrow had very little shortfall at between awarding bodies. the time of the allocations (none in primary and less I can confirm that there is no variation between awarding than 20 places in secondary) and therefore received a bodies as to which GCSE subjects are tiered. A list of subjects small allocation of these additional funds. which are examined at foundation or higher tier and those which are examined at a single tier, are set out as follows. Free Schools If you wish to discuss this further, please do not hesitate to contact me. Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for Single tier/Un-tiered Education (1) how many of the free schools due to open in 2012 are (a) new schools and (b) existing Art and Design schools transferring to free school status; [85981] Business Subjects (2) how many existing free schools are (a) new Citizenship Studies schools and (b) existing schools which transferred to Classical Subjects (Classical Greek) free school status. [85982] Construction and the Built Environment Mr Gibb: Of the 24 free schools that opened in Dance September 2011, 19 are new schools and five were Design and Technology previously in the independent sector. A further 67 new Drama schools and four independent schools have been approved Economics to move to pre-opening stage, all of which are planning to open in 2012. Engineering Expressive Arts Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of Health and Social Care State for Education what assessment he has made of History (England and Wales only) the costs that will be incurred by local authorities as a consequence of his Department’s decision not to pay Home Economics section 106 contributions levied on free schools; and if Hospitality and /or Catering he will make a statement. [87754] Humanities Information and Communication Technology(ICT) Mr Gibb: The Department for Education is funding Free Schools to pay contributions under reasonable and Law justified section 106 agreements that have been entered Leisure and Tourism 231W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 232W

Manufacturing Tim Loughton: We have removed from schools the Media Studies burden of having to fill in physical education and sport survey returns, which was a requirement of the previous Music Government. Instead, the Secretary of State for Culture, Physical Education Olympics, Media and Sport, my right hon. Friend the Psychology Member for South West Surrey (Mr Hunt), will introduce Religious Studies a much lighter-touch system of measurement, focusing specifically on schools’ participation in competitive sport Sociology as part of the School Games. In addition, there will be Two tiers (foundation and higher) an independent impact study of the School Games Biology which will sample trends in schools’ participation. The Chemistry details of these are currently being developed. Classical Subjects (Classical Civilisation, Classical Latin) Jo Swinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Education English what steps he plans to take to support children who are English Language not motivated by competition in physical education English Literature lessons to meet guidelines for levels of physical activity. [88674] Geography History (NI only) Tim Loughton: Physical Education (PE) is a compulsory Mathematics subject of the National Curriculum for all pupils aged Modern Foreign Languages five to 16. PE will remain compulsory following the review of the National Curriculum, but will have a Physics greater focus on competitive sport. Competitive sport Science will not, however, be the only element of the revised Additional Applied Science programme of study for PE. As they do now, schools will teach PE in a way which motivates and engages all Statistics pupils and encourages them to be physically active. Additional Science Postgraduate Education: Admissions Michaela Community School Mr Blunkett: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how many (a) places and (b) applications Sadiq Khan: To ask the Secretary of State for there were for PGCE courses in each subject in (i) 2010 Education (1) which sites have been considered for use and (ii) 2011. [85569] by the Michaela Community Free School; [87643] (2) whether his Department is meeting the cost of Mr Gibb: The available information on the number of the purchase of Balham Youth Court by the Michaela (a) places and (b) applications for Postgraduate Certificate Free School. [87644] of Education (PGCE) courses by subject can be found in Tables A and B respectively. Mr Gibb [holding answer 20 December 2011]: The Table A: Places allocated for Postgraduate Certificate of Education (PGCE) original application for Michaela Community School courses by subject to start in the 2010/11 and 2011/12 academic years, England suggested a number of locations as potential permanent Places or temporary sites for the school but none were found Subject 2010/11 2011/12 to be both suitable and available. Art1 535 275 Since the application was approved to pre-opening Business 520 275 stage, Partnerships for Schools has conducted a further Studies1 site search. This has led to negotiations about a potential Citizenship 225 155 site which we hope to be able to announce shortly. Classics 25 25 Balham YouthCourt has been identified by Partnerships Dance 70 55 Design and 995 725 for Schools as a potential site for a one form entry 1 primary school, 16-19 school, studio school, Alternative Technology Provision or special school and would not be large Drama 185 150 English 1,510 1,445 enough to serve as a permanent site for Michaela 1 Community School. If a need for temporary Geography 700 620 Health and 80 25 accommodation is identified for Michaela Community social care School, Balham Youth Court may be considered. The History 500 505 Department would fund the purchase of Balham Youth ICT1 925 635 Court if it was required for a free school. Mathematics 2,425 2,180 Media 50 20 Physical Education Modern 1,560 1,290 Languages Music 555 315 Jo Swinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Physical 745 560 Education what steps he has taken to monitor progress education against recommended guidelines in the activity level of Primary-All 9,645 10,640 school children. [88673] Psychology 65 35 233W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 234W

Table A: Places allocated for Postgraduate Certificate of Education (PGCE) Mr Gibb: The Independent Schools Inspectorate (ISI) courses by subject to start in the 2010/11 and 2011/12 academic years, England has for many years conducted education inspections of Places schools affiliated to the Independent Schools Council Subject 2010/11 2011/12 (ISC). Until recently, all boarding welfare inspections in Religious 675 375 independent schools, including those affiliated to ISC, education were conducted by Ofsted. In 2010 ISI was approved in Science1 3,270 2,760 principle to carry out boarding welfare inspections of Social 95 65 ISC affiliated schools as this would allow combined Sciences education and boarding welfare inspections to take 1 Art includes Applied Art and Design; Geography includes Leisure and Tourism; Design and Technology includes Engineering; ICT includes Applied place. The Department took powers in the Education ICT; Business Studies includes Applied Business; Science includes Applied Act 2011 to allow Ofsted to monitor independent Science, Biology, Chemistry, General Science and Physics. inspectorates’ inspection of boarding provision, in the Note: Figures are rounded to the nearest 5. same way that it currently carries out monitoring of Source: education inspections. TDA ITT Trainee Numbers Census ISI carried out a small number of pilot boarding Table B: Applications for Postgraduate Certificate of Education (PGCE) courses by subject to start in the 2010/11 and 2011/12 academic years, England welfare inspections during the autumn term 2011, and Applications (all) will undertake a full schedule of boarding welfare Subject 2010/11 2011/12 inspections this term. Art 1,710 1,375 Public Expenditure Business 1,475 1,005 Studies Citizenship 560 450 Mr Byrne: To ask the Secretary of State for Education Classics 100 105 how much his Department spent in (a) Birmingham, Design and 1,780 1,015 (b) Newcastle, (c) Wakefield, (d) Manchester, (e) Technology Leeds, (f) Liverpool, (g) Coventry, (h) Bristol, (i) Drama 1,160 1,080 Sheffield, (j) Bradford, (k) Leicester and (l) Nottingham Economics 15 10 in the latest financial year for which figures are available. English 4,250 3,945 [85443] Env/Rural 15 0 Science Tim Loughton: For the financial year 2010-11 the Geography 1,140 1,030 Department for Education (DfE) provided funding to Geology 10 10 the local authorities as set out in the following table: History 1,820 1,845 Home 145 95 Local authority £000 Economics Information 1,580 970 (a) Birmingham City Council 1,072,925 Technology (b) Newcastle upon Tyne City Council 197,426 Mathematics 3,935 3,535 (c) Wakefield City Council 251,023 Middle-All 450 375 (d) Manchester City Council 398,165 Modern 2,050 1,855 (e) Leeds City Council 545,132 Languages1 (f) Liverpool City Council 369,980 Music 1,025 720 (g) Coventry City Council 267,453 Other 100 250 (h) Bristol City Council 266,652 Physical 3,250 3,340 Education (i) Sheffield City Council 393,921 Primary-All 23,725 24,465 (j) Bradford City Council 473,772 Religious 1,390 1,005 (k) Leicester City Council 275,928 Education (l) Nottingham City Council 216,214 Science1 4,995 4,365 Total 4,728,591 Social Studies 525 440 1 Modern Languages includes French, German, Italian, Other Modem Languages, Pupil Exclusions Russian and Spanish; Science includes Biology, Chemistry, Combined and General Science and Physics. Notes: Charlotte Leslie: To ask the Secretary of State for 1. Figures are rounded to the nearest 5 and include some withdrawn applications. 3. Some applications for Postgraduate ITT courses are made independently of Education how many pupils were excluded from school the Graduate Teacher Training Registry and are not included in the figures. in each parliamentary constituency in the latest year 4. Data for 2011/12 are provisional as at the end of the application process so for which figures are available. [87398] are subject to change. 5. Membership to the GTTR changes between years, therefore the Higher Education Institutes covered may vary. Mr Gibb: The requested information has been placed Source: in the House Libraries. Graduate Teacher Training Registry (GTTR) Pupil Referral Units: Standards Private Education: Inspections Ms Buck: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Graham Stuart: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how many and what proportion of pupil Education what progress has been made in transferring referral units received each level of Ofsted rating since responsibility for inspecting child safeguarding 2001; and how that compares with the proportion of arrangements at independent schools from Ofsted to all secondary schools receiving each level of Ofsted the Independent Schools Inspectorate. [87888] rating over the same period. [87681] 235W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 236W

Mr Gibb [holding answer 20 December 2011]: This is down into two sections: schools that have been inspected under a matter for Ofsted. The former HM Chief Inspector, section 10 and schools that have been inspected under section 5. Miriam Rosen, has written to the hon. Member, and a Table A shows the number and proportion of pupil referral copy of her response has been placed in the House units and secondary schools inspected and their overall effectiveness Libraries. judgement, at their section 10 inspection, prior to 1 September 2005. Table B snows similar information for pupil referral units Letter from Miriam Rosen, dated 19 December 2011: and secondary schools under section 5 inspections from 1 September Your recent parliamentary question has been passed to me, as 2005, for each academic year between 2005/06 and 2010/11. Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector, for response. In September 2009, Ofsted implemented a policy of more The latest annual period for which published figures are available proportionate inspection using risk assessment. In doing so we about maintained school inspection outcomes is the 2010/11 selected for inspection a greater proportion of previously satisfactory academic year. Since 1 September 2005, maintained school inspections or inadequate schools and a smaller proportion of previously have been carried out under section 5 of the Education Act 2005. good or outstanding schools. Inevitably, this skews the sample of Ofsted records all judgements made by inspectors in section 5 schools inspected and means that comparisons between years inspections, including the judgement for overall effectiveness of should be treated with caution. Prior to 2009 we inspected across the school. the whole range of schools, but from 2009 onwards the range was not representative of the national profile of schools. Schools inspected under section 5. of the Education Act 2005 Statistics covering the outcomes of ail inspections carried out were graded against a four point scale: 1—outstanding, 2—good, in each academic year since 2005/06 can be found at: 3—satisfactory, and 4—inadequate. http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/advanced/resources- Prior to 1 September 2005 maintained schools were inspected search/results/%2A/all/all/any/200/ under section 10 of the Schools inspection Act 1996. any?solrsort=im_search_date_mktime%20desc Schools inspected under section 10 were graded against a seven The most recent official statistics release covering the outcomes point scale: 1—excellent; 2—very good, 3—good, 4—satisfactory, of maintained school inspections carried out between 1 July 2011 5—unsatisfactory, 6—poor, and 7—very poor. and 30 September 2011 was released on 13 December 2011 and A direct comparison cannot be made between judgements can be accessed at the same link. made on section 10 and section 5 inspections as different factors A copy of this reply has been sent to Nick Gibb MP, Minister were taken into account when the overall effectiveness grades of State for Schools, and will be placed in the library of both were awarded to schools. Thus, the following analysis breaks Houses.

Table A: Overall effectiveness judgement for pupil referral units and secondary schools inspected under section 10 for academic years between 2001/02 and 2004/05 (number and percentage of schools)1, 2 Overall effectiveness Excellent Very good Good Satisfactory Unsatisfactory Poor Very poor Academic Phase Year Total No. % No. % No. % No. % No. % No. % No. %

Pupil 2001/02 42 2 5 8 19 17 40 7 17 4 10 3 7 1 2 referral unit 2002/03 75 3 4 18 24 26 35 19 25 6 8 3 4 — — 2003/04 64 — — 10 16 21 33 23 36 8 13 2 3 — — 2004/05 48 2 4 8 17 22 46 12 25 4 8 — — — —

Secondary 2001/02 548 12 2 118 22 232 42 142 26 39 7 5 1 — — 2002/03 539 18 3 125 23 241 45 124 23 22 4 7 1 2 0 2003/04 627 10 2 104 17 308 49 142 23 49 8 14 2 — — 2004/05 485 13 3 111 23 213 44 114 24 25 5 9 2 — —

Table B: Overall effectiveness judgement for pupil referral units and secondary schools inspected under section 5 for academic years between 2005/06 and 2010/11 (number and percentage of schools)1, 2 Overall effectiveness Outstanding Good Satisfactory Inadequate Phase Academic Year Total No. % No. % No. % No. %

Pupil referral 2005/06 183 16 9 83 45 60 33 24 13 unit 2006/07 149 18 12 66 44 49 33 16 11 2007/08 138 10 7 76 55 42 30 10 7 2008/09 184 32 17 96 52 44 24 12 7 2009/10 136 28 21 57 42 39 29 12 9 2010/11 129 19 15 65 50 38 29 7 5

Secondary 2005/06 1,023 103 10 401 39 389 38 130 13 2006/07 1,294 173 13 488 38 516 40 117 9 2007/08 1,164 193 17 469 40 400 34 102 9 2008/09 1,071 238 22 434 41 331 31 68 6 2009/10 888 111 13 319 36 360 41 98 11 237W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 238W

Table B: Overall effectiveness judgement for pupil referral units and secondary schools inspected under section 5 for academic years between 2005/06 and 2010/11 (number and percentage of schools)1, 2 Overall effectiveness Outstanding Good Satisfactory Inadequate Phase Academic Year Total No. % No. % No. % No. %

2010/11 894 126 14 338 38 360 40 70 8 1 Percentages in the tables are rounded and may not add to 100. 2 Percentages for small numbers should be treated with caution.

Pupils: Assessments Schools need to work proactively to identify the driving issues behind prejudice among their pupils and put in Tristram Hunt: To ask the Secretary of State for place measures to prevent bullying and poor behaviour Education what the (a) net and (b) average spend was fuelled by peer pressure, as well as clear processes to of schools in the maintained sector on Key Stage Four respond to bullying when it does occur. examinations in academic year (i) 1999-2000 and (ii) The Schools and Students Health Education Unit’s 2010-11; and what proportion of the total budget of (SHEU) report records statistics such as the number of such schools this represented in each year. [88772] young people who want to lose weight, who do not eat breakfast, and who eat fewer than five portions of fruit Mr Gibb: The following tables set out the gross and and vegetables per day. Although none of these issues average spend of local authority maintained secondary are necessarily directly linked to bullying or the fear of and special schools on examination fees for 2010-11, being bullied, the research summary says that up to 22% and what proportion of the gross expenditure of such of 10 to 11-year-olds report being picked on for the way schools this represents: they look. No child should feel victimised because of Secondary schools their appearance, or for any other reason, and where Percentage of bullying occurs, schools must have robust procedures in gross expenditure place to respond to it quickly and effectively. Number of Average school spent on Spend (£) schools spend (£) examination fees Reading: Primary Education 328,461,082 2,939 111,759 1.99

Special schools Stephen Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for Percentage of Education how many teachers he expects to undertake gross training in the reading recovery intervention in expenditure 2011-12. [86712] Number of Average school spent on Spend (£) schools spend (£) examination fees Mr Gibb [holding answer 15 December 2011]: There 2,637,991 971 2,717 0.14 are currently 88 reading recovery teachers in training. Notes: The number of teachers undertaking training in 2012 1. Figures are taken from data provided by schools in the Consistent Financial Reporting (CFR) collection. has not yet been confirmed. 2. Numbers of schools used to calculate the average spend are taken from the January 2011 School Census. This relates to the January in the second part of Stephen Twigg: To ask the Secretary of State for the financial year. No weighting has been applied to the figures. 3. Figures supplied on spend are gross figures only. Education what financial support his Department is providing to the national co-ordination of the reading The figures supplied cover spending on examination recovery intervention. [86716] fees as outlined in the CFR guide and so only include: the costs of test and examination entry fees and any Mr Gibb [holding answer 15 December 2011]: We are accreditation costs related to pupils, including GCSEs, providing a modest amount of funding to support A/AS Levels and administrative costs, e.g. external marking. management costs for Every Child a Reader, which has The figures cover all local authority maintained secondary reading recovery at its core. We anticipate that this will and special schools. However, some of these schools be on a sliding scale until 2014. After this period, we will have incurred costs for other examinations. For have stated that the programme will operate on a demand- example, those with sixth forms will have included costs led basis. for key stage 5 examination fees in their CFR returns. It is not possible to identify the costs for key stage 4 Residential Schools: Scotland examination fees specifically from the data collected. The Department did not collect figures on examination Cathy Jamieson: To ask the Secretary of State for fees until 2002-03. Education how many young people ordinarily resident in Scotland have been accommodated in specialist Pupils: Bullying educational facilities in England in each of the last five years. [88154] Jo Swinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Education if he will assess the recent research Tim Loughton: The information is not held centrally conducted by the Schools Health Education Unit on by the Department. links between bullying and appearance. [87797] The annual SSDA903 return collects information on children looked after by local authorities in England. Mr Gibb: Tackling poor behaviour in all its forms— Information is not collected on children looked after by including bullying—is a top priority for this Government. Scottish local authorities, this data is collected by the 239W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 240W

Scottish Government. These data collections are based the approach taken by academies to providing healthy on the local authority which is responsible for the child school food. This will occur in January and February irrespective of the country of the child’s placement. 2012, with the results expected to be published in spring Some of the Scottish children in English educational 2012. facilities will be placed for education purposes, rather Schools: Admissions than be looked after and any information we hold ″ ″ about ordinary residence will be based on English law. Damian Hinds: To ask the Secretary of State for School Meals: Academies Education for each local authority area, what proportion of places at maintained primary schools are at (a) non-denominational schools, (b) Church of David Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for England schools, (c) Catholic schools, (d) other Education (1) what steps he plans to take in cases Christian denomination schools, (e) Jewish schools, where Academy schools do not meet the nutritional (f) Muslim schools and (g) any other denominational guidelines for school meals followed by local authority or faith schools. [75365] schools; [85996] (2) what assessment he has made of the quality of Mr Gibb: I would draw my hon. Friend’s attention to the school food provided to pupils in free schools; Table 10g of the Statistical First Release: Schools, Pupils [85997] and their Characteristics, January 2011, which is available (3) when he expects the School Food Trust to deliver on the Department for Education’s website. This was its report on school food in Academy schools; and originally published on 22 June 2011, with an updated when he plans to publish the report; [85998] release published on 16 August 2011. This table has been enhanced by including an additional column (4) what assessment he has made of the changes in ’proportion of pupils’. school food provision in schools which have converted to Academy status since May 2010. [86003] The original full Statistical First Release can be found at ‘DfE: Schools, Pupils and their Characteristics, January Sarah Teather: We are confident that academies will 2011’. recognise the importance of good nutrition to children’s Schools: Expenditure learning and will wish to provide healthy school food for their pupils. Where parents are not satisfied that Damian Hinds: To ask the Secretary of State for they do so, they may complain through the normal Education what estimate he has made of average complaints procedure which is publicised locally. Schools expenditure by schools on text books and other teaching which have converted to become academies will already material; and what assessment he has made of (a) have been providing healthy, balanced meals that meet recent and (b) long-term trends in such expenditure. the current standards. I have no reason to believe that [88183] they would stop doing so on conversion. The Department is not aware of any evidence suggesting that academies Mr Gibb: The Department does not collect expenditure provide meals that are less nutritious than those provided on text books and teaching materials specifically, but in maintained schools. through the Section 251 Outturn data collection, we The Department has not yet made an assessment of can identify the amount spent on educational resources the quality of the food provided to pupils in free schools. (non-ICT equipment), which includes expenditure on In order to assess the changes in school food provision text books and teaching materials. The following table in schools which have converted to academy status, the shows the expenditure for three sectors of local authority Secretary of State for Education, the right hon. Member maintained schools: primary, secondary and special for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove), has asked the School and their respective levels of spend from 2003-04 to Food Trust to undertake a qualitative study to look at 2010-11.

Primary schools Secondary schools Special schools Spend on Average Spend on Average Spend on Average Schools educational school spend Schools educational school spend Schools educational school (No) resources (£) (£) (No) resources (£) (£) (No) resources (£) spend (£)

2003-04 17,762 455,388,074 25,638 3,409 613,298,666 179,906 1,078 47,795,622 44,337 2004-05 17,642 471,942,114 26,751 3,385 654,977,627 193,494 1,049 48,738,648 46,462 2005-06 17,504 504,023,749 28,795 3,367 697,258,117 207,086 1,033 50,911,605 49,285 2006-07 17,361 533,651,478 30,739 3,343 743,343,412 222,358 1,006 54,318,230 53,994 2007-08 17,205 576,926,051 33,532 3,295 784,779,830 238,173 993 59,241,318 59,659 2008-09 17,064 609,560,433 35,722 3,225 811,595,214 251,657 985 63,801,100 64,773 2009-10 16,971 608,617,200 35,862 3,127 788,521,155 252,165 979 65,680,235 67,089 2010-11 16,847 650,160,404 38,592 2,939 755,619,238 257,101 971 70,104,313 72,198 Notes 1. Figures for 2002-03 to 2009-10 are taken from data provided by LAs in the s251 Outturn collection. The scope of this collection covers LA ‘maintained’ primary, secondary and special schools. 2. Figures for 2010-11 are taken from data provided by schools in the Consistent Financial Reporting (CFR) collection. The figures include data from LA ‘maintained’ primary, secondary and special schools. 3. Number of schools used to calculate the average spend are taken from the January school census. This relates to the January in the second part of the financial year. No weighting has been applied to the figures. 4. Figures supplied on spend are gross figures only. 241W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 242W

The figures supplied cover spending on learning resources Scottish education conferences and events including the (non-ICT equipment) as outlined in the Consistent Scottish Learning Festival. I have recently written to all Financial Reporting (CFR) guide and so include: MPs across Scotland to encourage schools to sign up. achievement gifts and prizes awarded to pupils, books (library and text books), Ann McKechin: To ask the Secretary of State for Education how many schools (a) in each local authority charges for the school library, area in Scotland and (b) in Glasgow North constituency classroom and learning equipment (excluding ICT equipment), have joined his Department’s Get Set network. [88117] curriculum transport, including minibus expenses such as maintenance, tax, fuel (excludes insurance), Tim Loughton: The Get Set Programme, and the Get furniture used for teaching purposes, Set Network, are not run by the Department for Education, pupil travel for work experience placements, but by the London Organising Committee for the Olympic purchase, lease, hire or maintenance contracts of audio-visual and Paralympic Games (LOCOG). LOCOG publishes or other equipment used for teaching, data on schools and colleges that have signed up both to reprographic resources and equipment used specifically for the Get Set Programme and Get Set Network at: teaching purposes, www.london2012.com/getset school trips and educational visits, This is updated each week, and includes schools and servicing and repairs to musical instruments and PE equipment colleges across Scotland and in each local authority, as used as part of the curriculum, well as listing individual schools and colleges. The scheme subscriptions, publications, periodicals and copyright fees associated does not operate on a political constituency basis. with the curriculum, Schools: Sports teaching materials, television licence fees used for teaching purposes, Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State payments to alternative provision services, including pupil for Education what steps the Government is taking to referral units (PRUs), non-maintained special schools (NMSS) improve the provision of sport within schools in and independent schools, Coventry. [87648] primary school PIP exam costs. It is not possible to identify the costs for text books Tim Loughton [holding answer 20 December 2011]: and other teaching material specifically from the data As part of the review of the National Curriculum, collected. Physical Education (PE) will remain compulsory for all The expenditure figures for 2010-11 are taken from pupils aged 5 to 16 across the country. The revised the Consistent Financial Reporting (CFR) collection programme of study for PE will have a greater focus on because the Section 251 data (S251) is still undergoing competitive sport than previously. final data cleaning. The CFR is a school-based expenditure All secondary schools in England with at least data collection whereas the S251 is a return made by 20 secondary aged pupils, including 27 schools in Coventry, local authorities on all its maintained schools but includes will receive £7,600 each year in 2011/12 and 2012/13 to the same CFR codes. releases PE teacher from timetable for one day every week. This teacher will work with local schools, including primary schools, to increase opportunities in competitive Schools: Olympic Games 2012 sport within and between schools. In addition, the Department of Health and Sport Ann McKechin: To ask the Secretary of State for England are funding 450 School Games Organiser posts Education what correspondence his Department has across the country. These organisers work for three days issued to (a) the Scottish Government, (b) the Convention a week and they will encourage greater take up of the of Scottish Local Authorities, (c) Scottish colleges and School Games and increase opportunities in competitive (d) local authorities in Scotland on the operation in sport within and between schools. There are two School Scotland of the Get Set networks for schools. [88116] Games Organisers covering schools in Coventry.

Tim Loughton: The Department for Education has Schools: Standards responsibility for schools in England. Scottish Schools are the responsibility of the Scottish Government. The Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for London Organising Committee for the Olympic and Education following his decision to prioritise funding Paralympic Games (LOCOG) has developed the official for pre-16 education and to re-distribute resources to London 2012 ’Get Set’ education programme, which is areas of deprivation, how he will ensure standards are free for schools and colleges to join. LOCOG has maintained in existing high quality post-16 education contacted all eligible schools across Scotland regularly providers. [87761] since the programme was launched in 2008. This contact has increased over the last few months to promote Mr Gibb: We are making record amounts of funding applications for the Get Set Network, the reward and available for 16 to 19 education—over £7.5 billion in recognition programme for schools that embrace Olympic/ 2012-13. This is on top of a significant increase in 16 to Paralympic values in their activity. 19 funding in recent years. LOCOG has worked closely with the Scottish We want young people to reach the end of key stage 4 Government and Learning Teaching Scotland to promote with the skills and knowledge that enable them to the scheme. LOCOG has written to all Scottish Local progress to more advanced education or training and Education Authorities, and spoken at numerous key equip them to compete in the labour market. The best 243W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 244W determinant of achievement post-16 is achievement additional transport costs; and if he will refer to higher pre-16. That is why we have prioritised funding on unit costs in scale and technologies required to educate pre-16. learners in his report following completion of his 16 to We have made unit cost reductions in post-16 education 19 funding consultation. [87696] and training in two ways: by bringing the school funding rate down to that of colleges; Mr Gibb: Local authorities have a duty to publish a and statement each year that sets out the travel arrangements by reducing funding for enrichment activities. they consider necessary to enable young people of sixth We are protecting the main education programmes post-16 form age to attend post-16 education. and young people can be funded for a programme of The £180 million 16-19 Bursary Fund, which sits 4.5 A levels or their equivalent, if they are able to alongside the local authority duty, has the flexibility to undertake such a programme—and this position has help students meet individual transport costs. not changed. We have also protected, as far as possible, The recent consultation on the 16-19 funding formula funding for tutorial provision. review included options to simplify the system of weightings for programme funding without losing the principle Schools: Transport that funding should reflect the cost of programmes that are more expensive to provide. The 16 to 19 participation Rosie Cooper: To ask the Secretary of State for budget does not cover transport costs and that will not Education how many representations he has received change as a result of introducing a new 16 to 19 funding on withdrawals of discretionary school transport formula. subsidies by local authorities. [87337] Teachers Tim Loughton [holding answer 19 December 2011]: Department for Education officials have received a number of informal notifications regarding local decisions Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State or plans to withdraw funding for discretionary transport for Education how many new teachers in (a) primary and the issue has been raised in the margins of other schools and (b) secondary schools he expects to retire discussions with Ministers. To-date, there has been no in (i) 2012, (ii) 2013 and (iii) 2014. [86732] formal requests for Ministers to take any further action. Mr Gibb: The following table provides the headcount Rosie Cooper: To ask the Secretary of State for of regular teachers in local authority maintained primary Education (1) what estimate he has made of the total and secondary schools by ages 51 to 59 and 60+ in expenditure by his Department on discretionary school service in publicly funded schools in England, November transport subsidies in each of the last three years for 2010. These figures show the total number of teachers which figures are available; [87451] who may be eligible to retire in the near future at the (2) what estimate he has made of the number of normal retirement age or by following processes for children who have benefited from discretionary early retirement. It is not possible to identify which of subsidies for home to school transport in the last three these teachers are new teachers. years for which figures are available. [87507] Headcount of all regular qualified and unqualified teachers in local authority maintained nursery/primary and secondary schools and age1. Tim Loughton: [holding answer 19 December 2011]: Year: November 2010. Coverage: England Funding for home to school transport is provided by a Total nursery/ combination of Revenue Support Grant paid via the primary and Department for Communities and Local Government Nursery and secondary and locally collected taxes. Local authorities provide Age2 primary Secondary schools forecast and outturn data (which includes an element of 51 4,450 4,780 9,230 home to school transport) through section 251 statements. 52 4,800 4,750 9,550 The data, for home to school transport purposes, are 53 5,300 5,010 10,310 split between mainstream, SEN and post-16 data but 54 5,310 4,960 10,270 do not sub-divide to individual types of school transport. 55 5,300 4,730 10,030 The Secretary of State for Education, my right hon. 56 5,330 4,750 10,080 Friend the Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove), allocated £85 million to support local authorities in 57 4,930 4,310 9,240 meeting their statutory duty in respect of extended 58 4,500 3,810 8,310 rights to travel for 2011-12 and 2012-13. 59 3,550 3,150 6,710 60 2,120 1,930 4,050 We do not collect data from local authorities on the 61 1,410 1,360 2,770 numbers of children in receipt of discretionary transport 62 940 980 1,930 as it is for local authorities to use their discretionary power in deciding whether transport for a child not 63 780 810 1,590 eligible for free transport is appropriate. Nor does the 64 440 450 890 Department collect data on the numbers of representations 65+ 790 720 1,510 received on individual areas of home to school transport. Total 51 + 49,960 46,490 96,450 1 Includes all full- and part-time teachers with a contract of 28 days or more on the census date, November 2010. Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for 2 Age on the census date, November 2010. Education what funding he plans to provide for Source: students in sparsely populated rural areas to meet School Workforce Census 245W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 246W

Teachers: Disciplinary Proceedings Number of teachers suspended by the GTCE since 2001 Total

Chris Skidmore: To ask the Secretary of State for Competency 2 Education how many teachers were (a) suspended from schools as a result of allegations by pupils and 2011/12 (b) subsequently permanently removed from their Misconduct 58 position in each of the last 10 years. [87070] Competency 0 Mr Gibb [holding answer 19 December 2011]: The Department does not hold records of school level Totals disciplinary action (including suspensions and sackings). Misconduct 208 The General Teaching Council for England (GTCE) Competency 14 currently administers the regulatory system for teachers Source: who have been dismissed by their schools for reasons of General Teaching Council for England incompetence or misconduct. From 2001 to present day Teachers: Qualifications a total of 208 teachers have been suspended by the GTCE due to misconduct and 14 for incompetence. It is Karen Lumley: To ask the Secretary of State for not possible to ascertain from GTCE records, whether Education how many people undertook a Postgraduate those suspended from teaching were suspended as a Certificate in Education course in England in the latest result of allegations from pupils. period for which figures are available; and what proportion Figures for each year are set out in the following of them went on to jobs teaching in England. [87113] table. Mr Gibb: In the 2009/10 academic year, 22,410 trainees Number of teachers suspended by the GTCE since 2001 undertook the final year of a Postgraduate Certificate Total in Education course in England. Six months after the 2001/02 course ended 81% were known to be employed in a Misconduct 0 teaching post in England. Competency 0 By sector, this 81% was comprised of 70% known to be employed in a teaching post in the maintained school 2002/03 sector; 6% known to be in a teaching post in the Misconduct 1 non-maintained sector and 5% where the sector was not Competency 0 known. Teachers: Scholarships 2003/04 Misconduct 6 Alok Sharma: To ask the Secretary of State for Competency 3 Education how many teachers were awarded funding from the National Scholarship Fund for Teachers in 2004/05 (a) the South East, (b) Berkshire, (c) Reading and Misconduct 1 (d) Reading West constituency in the latest period for Competency 1 which figures are available; and what the value was of such funding. [87236]

2005/06 Mr Gibb: The £2 million National Scholarship Fund Misconduct 9 for teachers was set up to help existing teachers in Competency 3 England develop their skills and to help them deepen their subject knowledge. The first round of successful 2006/07 bids was announced on 12 December 2011. Misconduct 18 The number of teachers awarded scholarships and Competency 0 the total value of these awards in each constituency was: 2007/08 Misconduct 18 Applicants £ Competency 3 South East 110 298,063

2008/09 Berkshire 12 who live in the county 31,797 Misconduct 22 11 who work in the county 30,652 Competency 0

Reading 2 who live in Reading 5,300 2009/10 2 who work in Reading 4,625 Misconduct 26 Competency 2 Reading West 2 who work in Reading West 4,625 2010/11 There were no successful applicants who live in Reading Misconduct 49 West. 247W Written Answers10 JANUARY 2012 Written Answers 248W

Women’s Rights: Curriculum Tim Loughton [holding answer 20 December 2011]: On 25 November 2011, the Deputy Prime Minister Tom Blenkinsop: To ask the Secretary of State for announced a new Youth Contract worth almost £1 Education what assessment he has made of the billion over the next three years. As part of this, we will provision of teaching of women’s rights and gender invest £126 million in England to put in place a new equality in the National Curriculum. [84256] programme of support to help vulnerable 16 to 17-year-olds who are not in education, employment or training. Mr Gibb: No assessment has been made of the provision This programme will focus on disadvantaged young of teaching of women’s rights and gender equality in people who are more likely to face multiple challenges, the National Curriculum. These topics can be taught as which might include having low qualifications, a history part of citizenship education, which is a compulsory part of truancy or having been excluded from school. of the National Curriculum in secondary schools. They We are currently developing the detail of this programme, can also be taught as part of personal, social, health including the target group, and will publish further and economic (PSHE) education, which is non-statutory. information in due course. We are currently conducting reviews of the National Curriculum and of PSHE. The National Curriculum Young People: Unemployment review aims to reduce prescription and focuses on the essential knowledge that all children should acquire. The internal review of PSHE education will determine Liz Kendall: To ask the Secretary of State for Education the core content and how to improve the quality of all which organisation he proposes will be responsible for PSHE teaching. Beyond that, it should be for individual (a) collecting and (b) monitoring information on the schools to design a whole school curriculum that best number of young people not in education, employment meets the needs of their pupils. or training from 2012. [86164] Young People: Sports Tim Loughton: Estimates of the number of 16-18 year olds in England who were not in education, Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State employment or training (NEET) are published annually for Education what steps his Department is taking to in June by the Department for Education in the statistical increase opportunities for young people in Coventry first release ″Participation in Education, Training and aged (a) sevento12and(b) 13 to 18 years old to play Employment by 16-18 year olds in England″. Quarterly sport. [87647] data from the Labour Force Survey on the number and proportion of 16-18 year olds, and 16-24 year olds, Tim Loughton [holding answer 20 December 2011]: NEET in England are published by the Department in As part of the review of the National Curriculum, the statistical release “NEET Quarterly Brief”. Physical Education (PE) will remain compulsory for all Local authorities are responsible for tracking young pupils aged five to 16 across the country. The revised people’s participation in education, training and programme of study for PE will have a greater focus on employment and for recording this information for competitive sport than previously. 16-19 year olds resident in their authority. This forms a In addition, all secondary schools in England with at part of their statutory duty to encourage, enable and least 20 secondary aged pupils, including 27 schools in assist young people’s participation in education or training. Coventry, will receive £7,600 each year in 2011/12 and The Department will continue to publish the information 2012/13 to release a PE teacher from timetable for one that local authorities collect, enabling local people to day every week. This teacher will work with local schools, hold services to account. including primary schools, to increase opportunities in competitive sport within and between schools. Young People: Training

Mr Ward: To ask the Secretary of State for Education what criteria will be used to determine eligibility for the proposed fund to increase the participation of young [Continued in Column 249W] people in education, training and work. [87735] ORAL ANSWERS

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Col. No. Col. No. HEALTH...... 1 HEALTH—continued A and E and Maternity Departments...... 15 Health and Social Care Bill...... 12 Access to Drugs ...... 3 Hospital Volunteers ...... 1 Access to Drugs ...... 6 NHS Reorganisation Cost...... 11 Bowel Cancer Screening...... 14 NHS Reorganisation Cost...... 15 Cancer Drugs Fund ...... 5 Paediatric Cardiac Services ...... 4 Early Intervention...... 16 Suicide Prevention ...... 8 Fuel Poverty...... 8 Telecare and Telehealth Services (Congleton) ...... 9 Group B Streptococcus ...... 10 Topical Questions ...... 18 WRITTEN MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS

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Col. No. Col. No. COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.. 1WS HEALTH—continued Department’s Work (Christmas Recess)...... 1WS PIP Silicone Gel Breast Implants ...... 7WS JUSTICE...... 7WS CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT ...... 4WS Legal Services Board and Office for Legal Youth Sport Strategy ...... 4WS Complaints Triennial Reviews...... 7WS FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE..... 5WS TRANSPORT ...... 8WS Falkland Islands...... 5WS Blue Badge Improvement Service...... 8WS High Speed Rail ...... 9WS HEALTH...... 6WS TREASURY ...... 1WS NHS Future Forum ...... 6WS Finance Bill...... 1WS PETITIONS

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Col. No. Col. No. ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE ...... 1P TRANSPORT ...... 2P Alternatives to a Nuclear Power Station at Keynsham Railway Station Access...... 2P Hinkley Point (Somerset)...... 1P WRITTEN ANSWERS

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No. ATTORNEY-GENERAL ...... 103W BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS—continued Cyber Crime: Business...... 103W Local Enterprise Partnerships...... 186W Departmental Equality ...... 104W Manufacturing Industries: Government E-mail ...... 104W Assistance ...... 186W Japan Tobacco ...... 104W Overseas Trade...... 187W Public Houses ...... 188W Regional Growth Fund ...... 187W BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS ...... 180W Southampton Port ...... 188W Apprentices...... 180W Stamp Duties: Tax Avoidance ...... 189W Arms Trade...... 181W Students: Loans ...... 190W Billing ...... 181W Working Hours: EU Law ...... 189W Business ...... 182W Written Questions: Government Responses ...... 191W Business: Loans...... 182W Conditions of Employment...... 182W Copyright: Electronic Publishing ...... 183W COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT . 42W Departmental Manpower...... 184W Affordable Housing...... 42W Departmental Public Expenditure...... 184W Cleveland Fire Brigade...... 43W Economics, Strategy and Better Regulation Compulsory Purchase ...... 44W Directorate...... 185W Co-operatives...... 47W Green Investment Bank ...... 185W Council Tax: Non-Payment...... 48W Higher Education: Admissions ...... 185W Debt Collection...... 49W Col. No. Col. No. COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT— DEFENCE—continued continued Afghanistan: Peacekeeping Operations ...... 2W Departmental Apprentices ...... 49W Air Force: Ammunition...... 5W Departmental Catering ...... 49W Air Force: Radiation Exposure ...... 5W Departmental Responsibilities ...... 50W Aircraft Carriers ...... 6W Departmental Written Questions ...... 50W Ammunition: Transport...... 7W Empty Property ...... 51W Animals ...... 9W Government Procurement Card ...... 52W Armed Forces: Education ...... 10W High Street Review: Parking ...... 55W Armed Forces: Food ...... 10W Housing Benefit: Greater London...... 55W Armed Forces: Military Decorations ...... 10W Housing: Berkshire ...... 55W Armed Forces: Recruitment ...... 11W Housing: Greater London...... 56W Armed Forces: Training ...... 12W Housing: Sales ...... 56W Arms Trade...... 13W Japan Tobacco ...... 56W Challenger Tanks ...... 15W Local Government Association: Finance ...... 56W Challenger Tanks: International Law...... 15W Local Government Ombudsman...... 57W Debt Collection...... 15W Non-Domestic Rates...... 57W Defence...... 15W Non-Domestic Rates: Retail Trade ...... 58W Defence: Inflation ...... 16W Parking: Fees and Charges...... 58W Departmental Manpower...... 16W Parking: Urban Areas ...... 58W Departmental Pay ...... 17W Planning Permission ...... 58W Departmental Procurement...... 17W Planning Permission: Rural Areas...... 58W Departmental Publications ...... 18W Planning: Property ...... 59W Departmental Recruitment ...... 18W Planning: Urban Areas ...... 59W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 19W Renewable Energy...... 59W Departmental Responsibilities ...... 19W Retail Trade: Empty Property ...... 60W Departmental Travel ...... 19W Right to Buy Scheme ...... 60W Departmental Voluntary Work ...... 20W Right to Buy Scheme: Reading (Berkshire) ...... 61W Ex-servicemen: Employment...... 20W Temporary Accommodation ...... 61W Ex-servicemen: War Pensions...... 20W Gurkhas: Pensions ...... 21W CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT ...... 27W Japan Tobacco ...... 21W Arts Council England ...... 27W Jordan Bancroft ...... 21W Arts Council England: Finance...... 27W Military Aircraft ...... 22W BBC: Expenditure...... 28W Military Attachés...... 23W BBC: Licensing ...... 28W Military Bases...... 24W Broadband ...... 28W Motorways: Fires...... 25W Broadband: Scotland ...... 28W Navy ...... 25W Co-operatives...... 29W Nimrod Aircraft...... 26W Copyright: Music...... 29W Warships: Wrecks...... 27W Debt Collection...... 29W Written Questions: Government Responses ...... 27W Departmental Advertising...... 30W Departmental Apprentices ...... 30W DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ...... 222W Departmental Catering ...... 31W Departmental Equality ...... 222W Departmental Equality ...... 31W Electoral Register...... 222W Departmental Manpower...... 31W Lobbying...... 223W Departmental Recruitment ...... 31W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 32W Departmental Temporary Employment ...... 32W EDUCATION...... 224W Diamond Jubilee 2012: District Councils ...... 32W Academies: Bournemouth...... 224W Diamond Jubilee 2012: Medals ...... 32W Colleges ...... 224W Digital Technology...... 33W Co-operatives...... 225W Infrastructure...... 33W Departmental Advertising...... 225W Local Broadcasting ...... 33W Departmental Equality ...... 226W Mobile Phones: Fees and Charges...... 33W Departmental Mobile Phones ...... 226W Mobile Phones: Health Hazards ...... 34W Departmental Official Hospitality...... 226W Museums and Galleries...... 34W Departmental Recruitment ...... 227W Official Hospitality ...... 35W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 227W Olympic Games 2012 ...... 35W Departmental Secondment ...... 227W Olympic Games 2012: District Councils...... 35W Departmental Temporary Employment ...... 228W Olympic Games 2012: Hexham...... 35W Design: Education...... 228W Olympic Games 2012: National Lottery...... 36W Drugs: Health Education ...... 228W Olympic Games 2012: North East...... 36W Education: Harrow ...... 229W Olympic Games 2012: Plastic Bags ...... 37W Education Maintenance Allowance...... 228W Radio Frequencies ...... 37W Free Schools...... 229W Sign Language ...... 38W GCSE ...... 230W Sikhs ...... 38W Michaela Community School...... 231W Telephone Services...... 39W Physical Education...... 231W Telephone Services: Fees and Charges...... 40W Postgraduate Education: Admissions...... 232W UK Sport: Disability...... 40W Private Education: Inspections...... 233W Public Expenditure...... 234W DEFENCE...... 1W Pupil Exclusions...... 234W A400M Aircraft ...... 1W Pupil Referral Units: Standards ...... 234W Col. 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No. EDUCATION—continued FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE— Pupils: Assessments...... 237W continued Pupils: Bullying...... 237W Lancaster House: Energy Performance Reading: Primary Education...... 238W Certificates...... 86W Residential Schools: Scotland ...... 238W Laos: Diplomatic Service ...... 86W School Meals: Academies ...... 239W Libya: Assets...... 86W Schools: Admissions ...... 240W Libya: Politics and Government...... 86W Schools: Expenditure ...... 240W Nigeria: Equality...... 87W Schools: Olympic Games 2012 ...... 241W Occupied Territories: Housing ...... 87W Schools: Sports ...... 242W Sikhs ...... 88W Schools: Standards...... 242W Somalia: Conferences...... 88W Schools: Transport ...... 243W Sri Lanka: Armed Conflict ...... 88W Teachers...... 244W Sri Lanka: Politics and Government ...... 91W Teachers: Disciplinary Proceedings ...... 245W Syria: Christianity...... 92W Teachers: Qualifications...... 246W Syria: Opposition...... 92W Teachers: Scholarships ...... 246W Syria: Politics and Government...... 93W Women’s Rights: Curriculum...... 247W Unmanned Air Vehicles ...... 94W Young People: Sports...... 247W Yemen: Politics and Government ...... 94W Young People: Training...... 247W Young People: Unemployment...... 248W HEALTH...... 105W A and E Departments ...... 106W ELECTORAL COMMISSION COMMITTEE ...... 41W Access to Drugs ...... 106W Electoral Register...... 41W Alcoholic Drinks: Scotland...... 107W Brain Cancer...... 107W ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE...... 124W Care Quality Commission: Recruitment ...... 107W Coal: Concessions...... 125W Carers: Finance...... 108W Coal Fired Power Stations: Closures ...... 124W Computer Sciences Corporation ...... 108W Departmental Apprentices ...... 125W Debt Collection...... 109W Departmental Debt Collection...... 126W Departmental Apprentices ...... 110W Departmental Equality ...... 126W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 109W Energy...... 129W Departmental Temporary Employment ...... 109W Energy: Billing ...... 131W Disability: Children...... 110W Energy: Prices ...... 131W Doctors: Retirement...... 110W Energy: Wales ...... 132W Drugs: Licensing...... 110W Environment Protection...... 132W Dystonia ...... 111W EU Emission Trading Scheme...... 133W Early Access Scheme...... 105W Fossil Fuel Levy...... 134W Electro-convulsive Therapy...... 112W Green Deal Scheme...... 133W Excess Winter Deaths...... 106W Natural Gas: Exploration ...... 135W General Practitioners ...... 112W Nuclear Power...... 135W Health Services: North East...... 113W Nuclear Reactors ...... 136W Health Visitors: North West...... 113W Renewable Energy...... 138W Herbal Medicine ...... 114W Renewable Energy: Costs ...... 139W Injuries: Dogs...... 114W Renewable Energy: Heating ...... 139W Japan Tobacco ...... 115W Renewables Obligation...... 141W Maternity Provision: Outer North East London.... 105W Solar Power...... 143W Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Solar Power: Feed-in Tariffs...... 143W Agency: Redundancy ...... 115W Wind Power: Planning Permission ...... 144W Mental Health Services ...... 116W Muscular Dystrophy ...... 117W FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE .... 72W Neurology ...... 117W Adam Werritty...... 72W NHS...... 118W Algeria: Christianity ...... 73W NHS: Drugs...... 119W Algeria: Religious Freedom...... 73W NHS: ICT ...... 119W Arms Trade...... 74W NHS: Pensions...... 119W Bahrain: Human Rights...... 76W NHS: Redundancy Pay ...... 120W British Nationals Abroad: Kidnapping ...... 77W NHS Reorganisation Cost ...... 105W Colombia: Armed Conflict ...... 77W Out of Area Treatment: Scotland...... 120W Debt Collection...... 78W Pain: Clinics...... 121W Departmental Apprentices ...... 78W Patient Data...... 106W Departmental Equality ...... 79W Radiotherapy ...... 121W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 79W Stem Cells ...... 123W Departmental Written Questions ...... 79W Sugar ...... 123W Diplomatic Service...... 80W Telemedicine: Care Homes...... 123W Employment Agencies...... 81W Treatment Centres: Runcorn ...... 124W Eritrea: Politics and Government...... 81W Tuberculosis: Drugs ...... 124W Ethiopia: Politics and Government ...... 82W University College Hospital ...... 124W Falkland Islands...... 82W Whistleblowing ...... 105W Forced Marriage ...... 83W Forced Marriage: Young People...... 84W HOME DEPARTMENT ...... 145W Haiti: Reconstruction...... 85W Age: Discrimination...... 146W Ilois: Resettlement...... 85W Alcoholic Drinks: Antisocial Behaviour...... 146W Col. 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No. HOME DEPARTMENT—continued HOME DEPARTMENT—continued Animal Experiments ...... 146W Statisticians...... 178W Animal Experiments: Botulinum Toxin...... 147W Theft: Metals ...... 178W Animal Experiments: Primates...... 148W Tobacco: Japan ...... 178W Arrest Warrants ...... 149W Vetting ...... 179W Asylum ...... 149W Vetting: Third Sector...... 179W British Nationality ...... 151W Victims: Gender Recognition ...... 179W Brodie Clark ...... 152W Visas ...... 179W Burglary...... 152W Written Questions: Government Responses ...... 180W Civil Disorder ...... 152W Civil Disorder: Greater London...... 153W INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT...... 144W Crime...... 153W Arms Trade...... 144W Crime: Economic Situation...... 154W Departmental Debt Collection...... 145W Crime: Scotland ...... 154W Developing Countries: Water ...... 145W Crimes of Violence...... 154W Nigeria: Equality...... 145W Debt Collection...... 155W Departmental Apprentices ...... 155W LEADER OF THE HOUSE ...... 42W Departmental Equality ...... 156W Legislation ...... 42W Departmental Manpower...... 156W Departmental Meetings ...... 157W NORTHERN IRELAND ...... 99W Departmental Recruitment ...... 157W Departmental Manpower ...... 99W Departmental Responsibilities ...... 157W Departmental Recruitment ...... 100W Departmental Temporary Staff...... 157W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 100W Departmental Written Questions ...... 158W Departmental Temporary Employment...... 100W Deportation: Offenders...... 158W Japan Tobacco International: Ministerial Policy Disability Living Allowance...... 159W Advisers ...... 100W Domestic Violence: Charitable Trusts ...... 160W Domestic Violence: Crime Prevention...... 160W PRIME MINISTER ...... 41W Drugs...... 161W Departmental Email ...... 41W Drugs: Arrests...... 161W Festivals and Special Occasions ...... 41W Drugs: UK Border Agency ...... 161W Joint Ministerial Committee on the European Drugs: Young People ...... 163W Union ...... 42W Extradition: Russia ...... 163W Extradition: USA...... 163W SCOTLAND...... 100W Forced Marriage ...... 164W Banks: Regulation...... 100W Foreign Nationals: Offenders ...... 164W Debt Collection ...... 101W Forensic Science Service...... 164W Departmental Equality ...... 101W Forensic Science Service: Drugs ...... 165W Departmental Manpower ...... 101W Human Trafficking ...... 165W Departmental Recruitment ...... 101W Human Trafficking: Moldova ...... 165W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 102W Human Trafficking: Prosecutions...... 166W Departmental Temporary Employment...... 102W Human Trafficking: Sexual Offences...... 166W Devolution...... 102W Human Trafficking: Victims...... 166W Employment Schemes: Young People ...... 102W Illegal Immigrants...... 167W Japan Tobacco International: Ministerial Policy Illegal Immigrants: Northern Ireland...... 167W Advisers ...... 103W Immigrants: Detainees ...... 168W Judicial Review ...... 103W Immigration...... 168W Railways...... 103W Immigration Controls ...... 170W Immobilisation of Vehicles...... 170W Legal Advice and Assistance...... 170W TRANSPORT ...... 193W Legal Services ...... 171W Community Transport ...... 193W Members: Correspondence ...... 171W Cooperatives ...... 194W Metropolitan Police ...... 172W Crossrail...... 194W National Policing Improvement Agency...... 172W Departmental Correspondence ...... 194W Non-molestation Orders ...... 172W Departmental Written Questions ...... 195W Offenders: EU Nationals...... 173W Electrification: Greater London...... 195W Offensive Behaviour: Football...... 173W Invalid Vehicles: Accidents...... 195W Police ...... 173W Invalid Vehicles: Safety ...... 195W Police and Crime Commissioners...... 174W Network Rail: Level Crossings...... 196W Police: Bureaucracy...... 175W Ports: Greater London...... 197W Police Federation ...... 174W Railway Stations: Greater London...... 197W Police: Manpower ...... 175W Railway Stations: Manpower ...... 197W Police: Olympic Games 2012...... 175W Railways: East Anglia ...... 197W Police Stations: Medway ...... 174W River Thames: Bridges...... 198W Police: Surveillance ...... 176W Severn Bridges Act 1992...... 198W Police: Wales ...... 176W Transport: Planned Public Expenditure ...... 198W Post Codes ...... 176W Transport: Weather ...... 205W Prevent Strategy...... 176W Underground Railways: Greater London...... 206W Smuggling: Tobacco...... 177W Social Justice Committee ...... 178W TREASURY ...... 61W Stalking And Harassment: Internet...... 145W Air Passenger Duty...... 61W Banks: China ...... 62W Col. 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No. TREASURY—continued WALES—continued Britain Building Investment Fund ...... 62W Domestic Visits: Schools...... 98W Business: Loans ...... 62W Employment Agencies ...... 98W Carbon Sequestration: Finance ...... 63W Social Fund ...... 98W Charitable Trusts ...... 63W Tourism...... 99W Child Benefit...... 63W Welsh Conservative Group ...... 99W Combined Heat and Power: Feed-in Tariffs ...... 64W Company Liquidations ...... 64W WOMEN AND EQUALITIES...... 191W Debit Cards: Fees and Charges ...... 64W Advertising: Education ...... 191W Debt Collection ...... 65W Barristers: Females...... 192W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 65W Departmental Equality ...... 192W Departmental Risk Assessment ...... 65W Equal Opportunities ...... 192W Departmental Temporary Employment...... 65W Equality and Human Rights Commission: Devolution: Finance ...... 65W Finance...... 193W Excise Duties: Fuels...... 66W Excise Duties: Tobacco...... 66W WORK AND PENSIONS ...... 206W Housing Revenue Accounts: Wales...... 66W Atos Healthcare...... 206W Income Tax...... 66W Carers ...... 207W Income Tax: Overpayments ...... 68W Cold Weather Payments ...... 208W Inland Revenue: Gifts and Endowments ...... 68W Departmental Manpower...... 210W Non-domestic Rates: Appeals...... 68W Departmental NDPBs...... 210W Personal Savings ...... 68W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 209W Public Expenditure: Housing...... 69W Departmental Temporary Employment ...... 210W Public Sector: Pensions...... 69W Disability Living Allowance...... 211W Revenue and Customs: Contracts...... 69W Disability Living Allowance: Autism...... 212W Revenue and Customs: Redundancy Pay...... 70W Disability Living Allowance: Children ...... 212W Stamp Duties ...... 70W Disability Living Allowance: Prisoners ...... 213W Trading Funds ...... 71W Electrical Safety ...... 214W Universal Credit...... 71W Employment and Support Allowance ...... 213W VAT: Overpayments...... 72W Employment Schemes ...... 214W Working Tax Credit ...... 72W Employment: Young People...... 215W Future Jobs Fund...... 215W Housing Benefit: Females ...... 216W WALES...... 95W Jobcentre Plus: Finance...... 217W Business ...... 95W National Insurance Contributions ...... 217W Christmas...... 95W New Enterprise Allowance...... 218W Coal ...... 95W Pensions...... 218W Debt Collection ...... 96W Poverty: Children ...... 219W Departmental Manpower ...... 96W Sick Leave: Pain ...... 219W Departmental Redundancy Pay ...... 96W Social Security Benefits: Gurkhas ...... 219W Departmental Secondment ...... 96W Troubled Families Scheme: Wales ...... 220W Departmental Temporary Employment...... 96W Unemployment: Older Workers ...... 220W Devolution...... 96W Unemployment: Young People...... 220W Domestic Visits...... 96W Work Capability Assessments: Kilmarnock ...... 221W Domestic Visits: Higher Education...... 97W Work Experience: Private Sector ...... 222W Members who wish to have the Daily Report of the Debates forwarded to them should give notice at the Vote Office. 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CONTENTS

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List of Government and Principal Officers of the House

Oral Answers to Questions [Col. 1] [see index inside back page] Secretary of State for Health

High-speed Rail [Col. 23] Statement—(Justine Greening)

Scotland’s Constitutional Future [Col. 51] Statement—(Michael Moore)

Park Homes (Site Owner Licensing) [Col. 74] Motion for leave to bring in Bill—(Stephen Gilbert)—agreed to Bill presented, and read the First time

Local Government Finance Bill [Col. 79] Motion for Second Reading—(Mr Pickles)—on a Division, agreed to Read a Second time Programme motion—(Jeremy Wright)—on a Division, agreed to Money motion—(Jeremy Wright)—on a Division, agreed to Ways and Means motion—(Jeremy Wright)—on a Division, agreed to

Rail Services (Clitheroe, Blackburn and Manchester) [Col. 151] Debate on motion for Adjournment

Westminster Hall Regional Pay (Public Sector) [Col. 1WH] History Teaching [Col. 25WH] Millennium Development Goals [Col. 49WH] School Transport [Col. 58WH] Deregulation [Col. 69WH] Debates on motion for Adjournment

Written Ministerial Statements [Col. 1WS]

Petitions [Col. 1P] Observations

Written Answers to Questions [Col. 1W] [see index inside back page]