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Rural Development Committee RURAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE Tuesday 13 March 2001 (Afternoon) £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2001. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Copyright Unit, Her Majesty’s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by The Stationery Office Ltd. Her Majesty’s Stationery Office is independent of and separate from the company now trading as The Stationery Office Ltd, which is responsible for printing and publishing Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body publications. CONTENTS Tuesday 13 March 2001 Col. FOOT-AND-MOUTH DISEASE .................................................................................................................. 1739 RURAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE 7th Meeting 2001, Session 1 CONVENER *Alex Johnstone (North-East Scotland) (Con) DEPU TY CONVENER *Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP) COMMI TTEE MEMBERS *Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP) *Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con) *Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) *Cathy Jamieson (Carric k, Cumnoc k and Doon Valley) (Lab) *Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP) *Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow ) (Lab) *Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab) *Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD) *Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD) *attended THE FOLLOWING ALSO ATTENDED : Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Dav id Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con) Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD) John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab) WITNESSES Professor Ian Aitken (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) Phil Flanders (Road Haulage Association) Robert Forster (Scottish Beef Council) Patric ia Glancey (Road Haulage Association) Mr Alastair Greig (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) Eddie Harper (Road Haulage Association) John Kinnaird (National Farmers Union of Scotland) Professor Joe Mayhew (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) Keith Redpath (Scottish Beef Council) Dr Mike Sharp (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) Mike Talbot (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) Professor Mark Woolhouse (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research) CLERK TO THE COMMITTE E Richard Davies SENIOR ASSISTANT CLERK Tracey Haw e ASSISTANT CLERK Jake Thomas LOC ATION The Chamber 1739 13 MARCH 2001 1740 Scottish Parliament presentation and to introduce his colleagues, after which members will ask questions. Rural Development Committee Professor Ian Aitken (Edinburgh Centre for Rural Research): I suggest, convener, that I give a brief introduction, rather than Mark Woolhouse. Tuesday 13 March 2001 I am the scientific director of the Edinburgh (Afternoon) centre for rural research, which is a consortium of research institutes that have interests in rural [THE CONVENER opened the meeting at 14:37] aspects of Scotland and further afield. Our interests range from agriculture through to the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland. Both agriculture and the Royal Zoological Society are Foot-and-mouth Disease directly affected by the current outbreak of foot- and-mouth disease. The Convener (Alex Johnstone): Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this meeting of the Rural Members of some of the Edinburgh centre for Development Committee. The meeting was rural research’s constituent organisations—who originally planned as an informal meeting. At the are knowledgeable about the disease—will end of last week, however, it was changed to a respond to questions and provide answers that formal committee meeting, so that the press and might be helpful to members. To set the scene, it other interested parties could have free access will be useful if my colleagues introduce and to ensure that other members of the Scottish themselves and briefly state their interests and Parliament who wanted to ask questions could do expertise. so. John Scott, David Mundell and Nora Radcliffe Professor Mark Woolhouse (Edinburgh are with us; I welcome them to the committee and Centre for Rural Research): I am professor of assure them that, if they want to get involved, I will veterinary epidemiology at the University of be delighted to allow them to join in the Edinburgh. I have, for eight years, been questioning. researching foot-and-mouth disease in The purpose of today’s meeting is to hear from collaboration with the Institute for Animal Health. the Edinburgh centre for rural research, which Dr Alastair Greig (Edinburgh Centre for Rural offered to make a presentation on the technical Research): I am from the Scottish Agricultural and biological aspects of foot-and-mouth disease College veterinary science division. I have an and its control. Subsequent to that offer, the interest in foot-and-mouth disease, because we Scottish Beef Council and the National Farmers have worked in diagnostic centres throughout the Union of Scotland asked to address the committee country and we might come across the disease at on the same matter. The Road Haulage any time. Association has been invited to attend because of concerns that were raised at the committee on 6 I spent a short time working on the 1967-68 March about the steps that hauliers are taking to outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease and I also prevent transmission of the disease. The meeting spent five years at the Institute for Animal Health has now been called on a formal basis, so at Pirbright, working on foot-and-mouth disease everything that we say will be reported in the and associated exotic diseases. Official Report. Profe ssor Joe Mayhew (Edinburgh Centre for The committee may wish to take up what it Rural Re search): I am professor of clinical learns today with Ross Finnie when he attends our studies at the veterinary school that is based at meeting next week. We shall take each Easterbush veterinary centre, where we have an organisation in turn and I shall invite witnesses to equine, farm animal and small animal hospital. give a brief introduction, before allowing members There is a dairy and sheep farm next door. My to ask questions. main involvement has been in taking precautions against the disease spreading to that area, Our first witnesses, from the Edinburgh centre including through students coming and going. for rural research, have said that they might wish to use an overhead projector. Copies of the slides Dr Mike Sharp (Edinburgh Centre for Rural can be found on the Parliament website among Research): I am from the Moredun Research the papers for this meeting. The Edinburgh centre Institute in Edinburgh. My interest, over many for rural research witnesses are a group of years, has been the pathogenesis and control of veterinary and scientific experts who have viral diseases of large and small ruminants. knowledge of foot-and-mouth disease. We share the nervousness of farmers in I ask Professor Mark Woolhouse to give a Scotland because all of our experiments and the entire enterprise at Moredun are at the same sort 1741 13 MARCH 2001 1742 of risk as farming enterprises. clothing? Can you give the committee a textbook description of the various ways in which the Mike Talbot (Edinburgh Centre for Rural disease can be transmitted, with emphasis on the Research): I am the secretary to the Edinburgh degree of risk that is associated with each different centre for rural research. means of transmission? Profe ssor Aitken: That gives the committee Dr Sharp: I might best answer that question by some background on the people who are gathered giving members a flavour of the complexity of the here. They have present and past experience of biology. The risk of transmission of the disease foot-and-mouth disease and are happy to respond may be regarded as a function of the amount of to questions. virus that is produced by the host. There are data Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): I am the that show that pigs are especially good at MSP for Dumfries. generating the virus—much better than cattle or sheep—and therefore pose much a much greater One of the issues that the National Farmers risk than other species. Pigs are most at risk of Union of Scotland has raised with me is that it is creating aerosols. If pigs are taken out of the unclear about how long after the final case farmers equation, most of the transmission occurs through will be able to restock or use the land again. There the movement of animals and their introduction seems to be a lack of clarity about whether it will into new flocks or herds. Those are the main risks. be 30 days or 42 days and whether it is after the I am not sure whether I could quantify the risks last outbreak in that area or the last outbreak. Can and I do not know whether anybody has the you advise the committee on that? relevant data yet. Profe ssor Aitken: That is a very specific Fergus Ewing: A close friend of mine— question. My colleagues are shaking their heads. Professor Hugh Pirie of Glasgow University— Guidance on that would have to come from the notes that airborne transmission has been known Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, to have occurred over a considerable distance because it has statutory responsibility for over land, and over 40 miles or more over sea. determining when restrictions will be lifted. Can you give the committee any specific advice Fergus Ewing (Inverness Ea st, Nairn and about the upper limits of airborne transmission Lochaber) (SNP): Nick Brown, the Minister of over land and over sea? Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, stated on Dr Sharp: The significance of airborne television at the weekend that he was certain that transmission was not appreciated until the the foot-and-mouth outbreak has been brought outbreak in Cheshire, which came about because under control. This morning, I got a different of the plumes from affected farms that were picture from Jim Walker of the NFUS.
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