House of Lords Official Report
Total Page:16
File Type:pdf, Size:1020Kb
Vol. 717 Monday No. 47 1 March 2010 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDER OF BUSINESS Questions Unemployment Finance: Debt Sure Start St David’s Day Third Parties (Rights against Insurers) Bill [HL] Third Reading Personal Care at Home Bill Committee (2nd Day) Mortgage Repossessions (Protection of Tenants Etc.) Bill First Reading Digital Economy Bill [HL] Report (1st Day) Jobseeker’s Allowance (Skills Training Conditionality Pilot) Regulations 2010 Motion to Approve Digital Economy Bill [HL] Report (1st Day) (Continued) Grand Committee Electronic Commerce Directive (Hatred against Persons on Religious Grounds or the Grounds of Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2010 Data Protection (Monetary Penalties) Order 2010 Personal Accounts Delivery Authority Winding Up Order 2010 National Employment Savings Trust Order 2010 Occupational and Personal Pension Schemes (Automatic Enrolment) Regulations 2010 European Union (Definition of Treaties) (Stabilisation and Association Agreement) (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Order 2010 Health Protection (Local Authority Powers) Regulations 2010 Health Protection (Part 2A Orders) Regulations 2010 Health and Social Care Act 2008 (Consequential Amendments) Order 2010 Debated Written Statements Written Answers For column numbers see back page £3·50 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. The bound volumes also will be sent to those Peers who similarly notify their wish to receive them. No proofs of Daily Reports are provided. Corrections for the bound volume which Lords wish to suggest to the report of their speeches should be clearly indicated in a copy of the Daily Report, which, with the column numbers concerned shown on the front cover, should be sent to the Editor of Debates, House of Lords, within 14 days of the date of the Daily Report. This issue of the Official Report is also available on the Internet at www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200910/ldhansrd/index/100301.html PRICES AND SUBSCRIPTION RATES DAILY PARTS Single copies: Commons, £5; Lords £3·50 Annual subscriptions: Commons, £865; Lords £525 WEEKLY HANSARD Single copies: Commons, £12; Lords £6 Annual subscriptions: Commons, £440; Lords £255 Index: Annual subscriptions: Commons, £125; Lords, £65. LORDS VOLUME INDEX obtainable on standing order only. Details available on request. BOUND VOLUMES OF DEBATES are issued periodically during the session. Single copies: Commons, £105; Lords, £40. Standing orders will be accepted. THE INDEX to each Bound Volume of House of Commons Debates is published separately at £9·00 and can be supplied to standing order. WEEKLY INFORMATION BULLETIN, compiled by the House of Commons, gives details of past and forthcoming business, the work of Committees and general information on legislation, etc. Single copies: £1·50. Annual subscription: £53·50. All prices are inclusive of postage. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2010, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ 1185 Unemployment[1 MARCH 2010] Unemployment 1186 not the fundamental question concern where our AAA House of Lords rating is on the global finance markets? If that stands, employment stands. Monday, 1 March 2010. Lord McKenzie of Luton: My Lords, of course 2.30 pm employment is a very important issue. Before the recession we had the aspiration of an 80 per cent Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Bradford. employment rate. As we have come through the recession, we have seen the first quarter of growth, at the end of Unemployment last year, in a little while. We need to re-energise and refocus on making sure that we hit those employment Question targets, which is why I repeat that these things do not happen by chance; they happen because the Government 2.36 pm have invested £5 billion in capacity for Jobcentre Plus Asked By Lord Roberts of Conwy for a range of measures to keep people in employment or to move them closer to the labour market. To ask Her Majesty’s Government what is the latest quarterly figure for total unemployment in Lord Soley: Does my noble friend agree that it is a the United Kingdom; and what is the latest monthly mistake to sell our country short when, in fact, total number of claimants of unemployment benefit. unemployment in this country is significantly lower, and has long been lower, than that of many of our The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, European competitors? Can we also bear in mind that Department for Communities and Local Government & a 0.3 per cent growth rate is higher than even the best Department for Work and Pensions (Lord McKenzie of prediction, which was 0.2 per cent? Should we not be Luton): My Lords, in the quarter to December 2009, at least a little welcoming of the optimism that feeds 2,457,000 people aged 16 and over were ILO unemployed. and drives the British industry that keeps the jobs and In January 2010, 1,635,600 people were claiming investment going? jobseeker’s allowance. Lord McKenzie of Luton: Yes, my Lords; I very Lord Roberts of Conwy: My Lords, welcome as the much agree with my noble friend. It is not just the reduction of some 3,000 in the overall ILO figure is, growth rate at the end of last quarter: a number of does the Minister agree that it has to be seen in the surveys are showing improved confidence. He is right context of a 12,000 reduction in the total number of that if you look at the UK’s unemployment rate in people in employment and a fall of 37,000 in the comparison with the rest of the world, we have an number in full-time employment—which is, I think, a unemployment rate that is lower than the G7, EU and record high figure? Does he agree that those figures OECD averages. We are at 7.8 per cent on the ILO and the 23,500 rise in the number of claimants hardly measure. Canada is at 8.3 per cent, Italy at 8.5 per suggest that we are well clear of the recession and in cent, the US at 9.7 per cent, France at 10 per cent and fact augur rather badly for economic growth and the Spain at 19.5 per cent. Government’s target of 1.25 per cent for this year, which is twice the EU forecast of 0.6 per cent? Lord Taylor of Holbeach: My Lords, I am sure the Minister is aware that this question is about real jobs that will sustain a recovery. He also talks of investment Lord McKenzie of Luton: My Lords, I do not at a time when the car scrappage scheme is ending. accept that it augurs badly for economic growth in this How many jobs does he think have been saved by the country. There are now clear signs that the position in car scrappage scheme, and how many will be lost by its the labour market is stabilising—redundancies have abandonment? fallen back significantly since spring of last year, fewer people made new claims for jobseeker’s allowance and Lord McKenzie of Luton: My Lords, the car scrappage the number of vacancies is also increasing. Indeed the scheme was part of the fiscal stimulus that the UK number of people unemployed on the ILO definition economy has received—a fiscal stimulus which I think is now close to flat and has, as the noble Lord identified, was opposed by the noble Lord’s party. I do not have reduced a little. Although the claimant count rose in the data on the precise number of jobs attached to the January, and there will always be variations from scheme, but he is quite right that we need to be about month to month, the number of people making a new sustaining jobs so that people have not only employment claim—322,600—was the lowest figure for a year. but jobs that are sustainable and in which they can There are still challenges ahead, which is why we must grow and flourish. If he looks at the vacancies that not hold back from the investment that the Government came out in the recent report, he will also see that have put into a range of programmes. In particular, we manufacturing showed an increase of something like must not divert resources from these programmes to 23 per cent on the quarter. That is a good sign as well. inheritance tax cuts for the wealthy or, indeed, for the married couple’s allowance. Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay: My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that we would not now be facing Lord Campbell of Alloway: Does the noble Lord the need to make so many cuts, in jobs particularly, if agree that the fundamental problem is not only how all those who sat in this House and took the benefit of many are employed or not employed at the moment living in this country paid full British tax in this but how many will be employed in the future? Does country? 1187 Unemployment[LORDS] Finance: Debt 1188 Lord McKenzie of Luton: My Lords, I am a great Baroness Gardner of Parkes: I thank the Minister believer in the sentiment that the noble Lord has for that Answer. Is he aware that the citizens advice expressed. The ability of people to sit in this House bureaux have drawn attention to the 9,500 new debt when they claim to be non-domiciled and are not problems and 8,200 new benefit problems every working treated as ordinarily resident and domiciled in this day? The latest call I received said, “You’ll be able to country is a huge mistake—one which I think and work off 100 per cent of your debts in just 12 months.