THE
Graduated
NATIONAL
Robert
Nimitz
Torpedo
Unites
K.
Education
Kaufman,
Fredericksburg,
September
An
McLean,
MUSEUM
States
and
Interview
USS
Gunnery
and
Naval
Captain,
Gato
Virginia
26,
OF
Research
with
2011
Texas
Academy
THE
Officer
USN
PACIFIC
Center
Retired
June
1940 WAR My name is Richard Misenhimer and today is September 26, 2011. I am interviewing Mr. Robert K.
Kaufman. Captain, US Navy, Retired by telephone. His phone number is 703-970-3776. His address is: 6251 Old Dominion Drive, Apt 159 McLean, Virginia, 22101. This interview is in support of the
National Museum of Pacific War, Nimitz Education and Research Center, for the preservation of historical information related to World War II
Mr. Misenhimer
Bob, I want to thank you for taking the time to do this interview today and I want to thank you for your service to our country during World War II and since.
Captain Kaufman
Thank you.
Mr. Misenhimer
Now the first thing I need to do is read to you this agreement with the Museum. “Agreement read.”
Is that okay with you?
Captain Kaufman
That is fine with me.
Mr. Misenhimer
The next 1would like to do is to get an alternative contact. We have ibund out that sometimes several years down the road we try to get back in contact with a veteran and he has moved or something. 1)o you have a son or daughter or someone we could contact if we needed to find you?
Captain Kaufman
1have a daughter here in the DC area.
Mr. Misenhimer
What is her name?
Captain Kaufman
Her name is Roberta Odenwald.
Mr. Misenhimer
Do you have an address and phone number for her?
1 Captain Kaufman
Her cell phone number is 301-938-8357.
Mr. Misenhimer
What is your birth date?
Captain Kaufman
October 21, 1919.
Mr. Misenhirner
Where were you born?
Captain Kaufman
I was born in Clarion, Pennsylvania.
Mr. Misenhirner
Did you have brothers and sisters?
Captain Kaufman
I had two older sisters, Helen and Dorothy.
Mr. Misenhimer
Were they involved in war work at all?
Captain Kauthan
No. My oldest sister’s husband was in the Navy during World War II. My middle sister Dorothy never married.
Mr. Misenhirner is your brother-in-law still living?
Captain Kaufman
No and neither are my sisters.
Mr. Misenhimer
Now you grew up during the Depression. }low did the 1)epression affect you and your flimily? CaptainKaufman
1suppose,I’vesaidthisbefore.thateverybodythat was in the town I was in,was poorand wedidn’t know it. In my high schoolclass, whatever it was 80 or 90, 1think them were probablyonly two studentsthatcamefromreallydcstitutcfamilies.The restof us got threemealsa day.
Mr. Misenhimer
Whatwas your Ihther’soccupation?
CaptainKaufman
He wasan insuranceand realestatesalesman.
Mr. Misenhimer
Washe ableto keepemployedduringthe Depression?
CaptainKaufman
Yes, he kept on going. He died the summer before I enteredthe Naval Academy; the summerof
1935.
Mr.Misenhimer
Whendid youfinishhigh school?
CaptainKaufman
I graduatedfromhigh schoolaboutMay25, 1936and enteredtheNavalAcademyon June 23. 1936.
Mr. Misenhimer
Howdid you chooseto go to the NavalAcademy?
CaptainKaufman
(Laugh)I’ve oftenbeen askedthat. I don’t know.I got interestedaboutmy sophomoreyear and kept
thinkingabout it I started workingon it when I was a junior in high school. You asked aboutthe
Depression;I think maybein the back of my mind was if I was goingto go to college,I was goingto
have to do it that way.
Mr.Misenhimer
Didyou haveany troublegetting your appointmentto the TJSNA?
3 Captain Kaufman
No, I don’t think so. I need to tell you a little bit about my method. The day of the entrance examination, the SAT — we didn’t have SATs in my day, the Congressman or the Senator had the
United States Civil Service Commission put on an examination for his candidates. My congressman did that. When I got to the examination spot early in the morning there vvere about 20 young men there with me. I don’t remember the order of the subjects but when we came back after lunch, only
four of us showed up. That was an indication that the others didn’t like that exam very much.
Mr. Misenhimer
It sounds like that.
Captain Kaufuiian
I suppose I must have done well on that exam because the Congressman nominated me and I headed
to the Naval Academy on June 23, 936.
Mr. Misenhimer
Tell me about the Academy: how was that?
Captain Kaufman
In much later years, within the last 15 years, I served as hat the Naval Academy calls a Blue and
Gold Officer, a Naval Academy Information Officer, interviewing and counseling candidates to the
Naval Academy. I know considerable about today’s system. Another story: The day before I entered
the Naval Academy I was in Annapolis and stayed in a hotel and visited the city. The day before that
my mother put me on a train in rur:I Pennsylvania and I woke up the next morning at Unioi Station
in Washington. I remember walking across the street and up the bill and standing on the Capitol
steps. At that time I was 16 years old. I then got to Annapolis and ran into another entrant and we
ended up rooming together for four years. To show you maybe the difference between the population
at the Naval Academy; I was from a little town in rural Pennsylvania and my roommate was from the
Bronx in New York City. We roomed together mostly peaceably for four years.
Mr. Misenhimer
Tell me about getting into the Academy. 1low did everything happen there?
4 CaptainKaufman
It’sa changefrom what it is today.Todaythe wholeenteringclassenterson one day. In my timethe classkept drifting in all summerlong. I was fairlyearly in the enteringclass in June. There were 20 to 25 a day, every weekday,all summerlong. It was certainlydifferent.I didn’t get homesick.I had
beenawayfrom homebeforeso that partwas airightbut the Naval Academyplebe year is tough.It is
different.I don’t know if anyonewould say, “Yes, I would like to do it again.” I got through plebe
yearalright.The otherdifferencebetweentodayand those manyyearsago; my roommatehada year
a ColumbiaUniversityanda lot of my classmateshad one or two yearsof collegebeforetheyarrived
at theNaval Academyand I camestraightout of high school.No collegeor prep school.Nowadays
thereare still some that have had some college but most of the entrantscome straightout of high
school.
Mr.Misenhimer
Yousaidthat you wouldnot wantto do your plebe year over. Whatwere someof the problemswith
theplebeyear?
CaptainKaufman
Youdidn’thave muchtimeof your own;particularlyplebesummer.Youkept going fromreveilleat
6:00in the morninguntil 10:00at nightwhenyou turned in. Scholasticallythings movedprettyIhst.
Themethodof instructionwasdiiThrentthan othercolleges.You studiedthe booksprettythoroughly. then you went to classand the instructormay ask if therewere any questionsand tien he issuedto eachstudent a piece of paperwith a problemon it. Then you went up to the blackboardand solved
theproblemand thatbecameyourdailygrade.The dailygradeswere a bigpart of the finalgrade.
Mr.Misenhimer
Wasthis a mathproblemor whatkindof a problemwas it?
CaptainKaufman
Math,physics, chemistryand in lateryearsnavigation,and then of course Englishand history.The
historyclasses were somewhatdifferent There was more writing.not on the blackboard,but essay-
5 type writing. In my we took what we called a lock step course. Every midshipman took the same courses with the exception of a foreign language. You had somewhat of a choice of a foreign
language. I had had two years of French so I thought I would be better off to have French and I thought it would be easier and I didn’t have to study. My sophomore year I hit the midterm exam and
a passing grade was 2.5 and I think I hit the midterm exam with a 1.2, which made me quite unsatisfactory and provided an appearance before the academic board and a re-exam which was not graded. It was a pass/fail thing. I suspect that since I was doing alright in math and physics and chemistry they decided to keep me.
Mr. Misenhimer
During your freshman year was there quite a bit of hazing by the upper classmen’?
Captain Kaufman
Yes. There was hazing, including physical hazing, which no longer exists. I don’t know how to express it. It was something we all went through. I don’t think the hazing had anything to do with it but the attrition rate at the Naval Academy in my day was much higher than it is today. The attrition at the service academies today is on the order of about 20% or maybe a little more. In my day the attrition rate was pretty close to 50%. Tnother words, half of the men that joined that summer of 1936 did not graduate.
Mr. Misenhirner
I have heard and I’m not sure if it was at the Naval Academy or where. hut if you were eating your meal you had to eat what they called a square meal.
Captain Kaufman
That’s right. You sat at attention and lifted your fork from your plate vertically and then horizontally into your mouth. That was a “square meal”.
Mr. Misenhirner
I’ve heard of that. And you had to do that all of the time during your freshman year, is that correct?
6 Captain Kaufman
Except if we won the Army/Navy game. We were able to carry on after the game until after the
Christmas break. To tell you the truth, 1don’t remember if we won or not that year. (‘Nay won 7-0.)
Mr. Misenhirner
Whatwere some other things that happened there?
Captain Kaufiian
After Christmas until the June Week and I think it is probably still called this, they call it the Dark
Ages. During the fall there were football games and in my day the whole regiment would go to the away games so that broke up the fall. I need to put this into my story. I’ve regretted it since, 1did not do very much at the Naval Academy other than study. I was not athletic. I wasn’t in any of the stage productions and I wasn’t musically inclined. In my Naval Academy years I studied but I didn’t make much of a name for myself.
Mr. Misenhimer
Did you ever pull any kind of stunts or anything like that at the Academy?
Captain KaufiTlan
I suppose. The upperclassmen would get us to do things that were contrary to regulations but I don’t think anything very spectacular.
Mr. Misenhimer
How many people started in your freshman class?
Captain Kaufman
1think on the order of 700. We graduated 456.
Mr. Misenhimer
How about your sophomore. junior and senior years; how did they go?
Captain Kaufman
Other than that episode that I had with French my sophomore year, the remainder of that year and all
of my junior year I had French so I had to study that. The other things I studied too. There were 456
in my class and I graduated number 138 so I did very well academically.
7 Mr. Misenhimer
Is there anything else from your time at the Academy that stands out?
Captain Kaufman
Yes one thing. A regiment of midshipmen marched at President Roosevelt’s second inauguration in
1937. I can’t remember whether the inauguration then was in March or if it had been moved to
January but I do remember it was a cold rainy day and we wore heavy overcoats. It kept getting heavier and heavier as the day wore on.
Mr. Misenhimer
In the Academy did you have any kind of weapons training?
Captain Kaufian
We were trained, particularly plebe summer, on the Springfield ‘03 rifles. We were trained on the
Lewis machine gun and on the .45 automatic. We were trained how to use gas masks. I don’t recall in
subsequent years that we had any further firearms training or anything. When we went to sea in our
second summer and our fourth summer; during those two cruises is when ‘e fired the heavy guns on the battleships.
Mr. Misenhimer
What ships were you on in that?
Captain Kaufman
On my youngster cruise, you use the terms sophomore and junior. My sophomore year was our
yomgster year and the youngster cruise was in the battleshir Arkansas. My first class cruise was on
the battleship New York. The summer in between that I went on a one-month destroyer cruise in an
old-old World War I four-stack destroyer.
Mr. Misenhimer
I-lowwere those cruises on those ships?
Captain Kaufman
One thing, on the first cruise we did the sort of things that sailors aboard ships do. [he first class
cruise later on they treated us more like junior officers. Living aboard ship certainly you came
8 togetherand learnedto do that quite well. The battleshipcruiseswere about 2 .4 months long. The destroyercruise in-betweenthat wasabouta month.
Mr.Misenhimer
OntheArkansas abouthowmanyof you cadetswereon there?
CaptainKauflnan
Abouthalf of the class.The otherhalfwas on anotherbattleship.
Mr.Misenhimer
Whatgunsdid theArkansas have; 12or 14?
CaptainKaufman
OntheArkansas the turrethad 12inchgunsandthensecondarybatterieshadfive inchguns.
Mr.Misenhimer
Didyou all get involvedinfiringthose guns?
CaptainKaufman
Yes.I’m trying to think. I oughtto be able to rememberthis but I don’t. I think we tired the turret
guns,the 12-inchguns.Wemayhavealso firedthe 5-inchguns.Yes we did.
Mr.Misenhimer
Isthereanythingin particularonthose cruisesthat standout?
CaptainKaufman
On the first cruise we wentto Europe.We went to Germany.This was in 1937and Nazi Germany
was in its ascendency.There were lots of unifbrmsaround.Some of my classmatesmade a tour of
Berlin.I didn’t. Lmade a tour on a Rhine steamerand saw a considerableamount of Germanythat
way.In the Germanyin thosedays, I don’tthink we recognizedit at the time, but WorldWar II was
comingalong.Therewere lotsof uniformsall over Germany.In my first class cruise in the summer
of 1939the war was gettingeven closer in Europeand we made a localcruise. We went to Canada
andup the St LawrenceRiver.
Mr.Misenhimer
Whatshipwas that secondone?I’veforgotten.
9 Captain Kaufman
The battleshipNew York.
Mr. Misenhimer
What were some other things that happened?
Captain Kaufman
(Laugh) Mv first class year, the summer of’ 1939 and fall of 1939, around there, I was a senior midshipman and quite used to the whole thing. I don’t recall it all. I had certainly gotten over any feeling of inferiority or whatever that I had when I started as a plebe. As a plebe I did have one concern. Being with all of these people that had college before we got there, I was real worried whether I was going to make it through plebe year. Once I did that, then I knew that I could make it
the rest of the way. One thing I did not mention. I don’t remember what other aspects of what I am
going to tell you pertained to. but when I graduated, I graduated as the next to the youngest member
from the class of’1940. 1am now the youngest surviving member of that class.
Mr. Misenhimer
How many people are still surviving from your class?
Captain Kaufman
About 50.
Mr. Misenhimer
That’s good.
Captain Kaufman
We had a reunion about a year ago and there were ii ol’us there.
Mr. Misenhirner
How was graduation? What all happened there’?
Captain Kaufman
I’m trying to remember who the speaker was. It wasn’t FDR. It has gone through a number of
changes over the years. In those days the graduation week was called June Week and it occurred in
June. Nowadays it falls in line with other colleges and universities and graduation is called
10 Commissioning Week and occurs in the latter part of May. In my day graduation was in June. 1have
a story connected to that. There were six of us. We got our ship assignments earlier in the spring. 1 was assigned to a new heavy cruiser horneported in Norfolk. There were six of LIS that were assigned
to it. One of them was going to be delayed in joining it because he was a member of the crew that
had a regatta after graduation. We graduated on Thursday. About Tuesday on June Week the
Commandant of Midshipmen sent for the five of us and told us that he knew we had 20 days leave
written into our orders, “1-lowever,” he said, our new commanding officer wanted us aboard on
Friday before noon. We graduated on Thursday and wended our way to Norfolk independently and
joined the ship Friday morning. The Naval Academy, knowing that time was going to be of the
essence, had arranged to ship our baggage down by truck. At our first luncheon in the ward room as
brand new naval officers a messenger came down and told us that our baggage had arrived. I
volunteered to go up and check it in. Each of us had two bags, a trunk and what they called a cruise
box. The cruise box had uniforms and books that you wanted to keep. I had my brand new officer’s
uniform, a full dress uniform, sword, and all that kind of stufE I went up to check it in and everything
was there but my trunk. I came back down and waited until lunch was over and went around to the
ship’s Executive Officer and told him my sad story and he said, “You had better get on the phone and
call the Naval Academy.” I called the supply department and the person that 1 got on the phone said,
“That went out.” I said, “Would you please go look.” He came back after what seemed like an hour
and was probably five minutes and said, “Yes, it’s here. What do you want us to do with it?” I said,
“This ship is sailing at 4:00 (it was nnw 1:00) can you have it flown down here?” He said, “What?
You can’t find a naval aviator around here on a Friday afternoon.” To shorten the story, about 3:30 a
station wagon came screaming up to the dock and they hadn’t been able to get my trunk into the
backseat of a single engine biplane so they stuffed it all into a sea bag but I had all my gear when we
sailed that afternoon for Rio de Janeiro.
Mr. Misenhirner
What ship were you on?
11 Captain Kaufman
The Wichita. After having done those midshipman cruises on those old ships, and the Wichita was only a couple of years old, it was one of the reasons I had put in to get to it; things were very pleasant. They had a nice new ship with new equipment and all that sort of stuff.
Mr. Misenhirner
What is the CA number of the Wichita?
Captain Kaufman
CA-45. I left it the day before the Wichitaleft the Atlantic logo to the Pacific.
Mr. Misenhirner
What happened after you got on the Wichita?
Captain Kaufman
When I got on the Wichita I was assigned to the communications department as the ship’s signal oficer. I was supposed to learn how to send and receive flashing lights and semaphore flags and that sort of thing. I could do the semaphore but I never could learn very well the flashing lights. I ‘as only the signal officer for about four months. I was transferred to a gunnery division and became the turret officer in turret one in the Wichita and held that position for the next two years. almost. That was one of the most satisfying jobs I ever held. When you went to battle stations and buttoned up the turret you were there by yourself ‘Fherewas nobody to look over your shoulder.
Mr. Misenhimer
Let me go back and ask a question. When you graduated. I’ve seen where they threw all those hats in the air, did you all do that?
Captain Kaufman
Yes, certainly. People always ask, did you get them back? The answer was no. The hats that you used were probably an old hat. The cap device was probably new. The covers could be detached and washed and you always had a clean white cover on the hat. The hat itself had seen plenty of use and it was time to throw it away.
12 Mr. Misenhirner
So you didn’t worry about getting them back then?
Captain Kaufman
No.
Mr. Misenhimer
Who was the Commandant of the USNA when you were there?
Captain Kaufman
I think you are really asking me who the Superintendent was. The Superintendent was Rear Admiral
David Sellers. I can’t remember what he had done before that.
Mr. Misenhimer
Go ahead with your story.
Captain Kaufman
We went to Rio de Janeiro setting sail on June 7. 1940. We crossed the line (Equator) with all the due ceremony. Knighted by King Neptune. Dumped into a tank of water all that sort of stuff I came through without any problems but my roommate slipped and fell as he was running down the last gauntlet after all the ceremonies. He banged up his leg pretty badly and he spent the first time we were in Rio in his bunk. Flowever he recuperated. We were up and down the east coast of South
America for the next several months.
Mr. Misenhimer
How was Rio?
Captain Kaufman
Rio was great except we were told to go ashore. particularly in the evenings, with at least two ofus and preferably three or four together. The reason I bring that up is that we also went into Montevideo and Buenos Aires. I remember at Montevideo we never thought about that. It was city ith no crime against people walking around. We went to Rio, Buenos Aires, Montevideo. a little town in the
southern part of Brazil, Rio Grande doSul in the southern end in Brazil. It was quite a cruise.
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sea.
on
of
called
and
to
was
time
ship
that
side
was
and
we
the
the
our
the
he
of
In
to
It
it a
told went
you
The compartment, ready the whose
cease weather western training, cruisers,
nobody we going destroyer
wedding naval getting requirement
everybody coast
Fleet
1942.
bombarded
port
will
next us
this
to
zigzagging.
to of
service.
to
Shortly
name
out
where
We
We
was
the
was get
Pennsylvania
at
Norway.
get
do,
ring
battleships,
day
in
time.
else
Casablanca
of
were
came
half.
underway,
to
Invasion
but
pretty
I
One
and
was
hurt.
after the
empty
the
don’t
The
go
those
We
had
I
around
That
wore
of
Everybody
Naval
back
filling
to
would
We
the
second
miserable,
1
served
school
The
recall,
them
steadied
submarine
of ships.
got
or
of
was
invasion.
were
and
and
it
was
to
people.
an
the
Academy
North
the
on
like
shell shot
was
the
the as
and
another
thing
we
We
a
aircraft
a
a
East
approaching
orders
cruiser,
got
up
a
to
chain
battleship
was
particularly
that
States
major
sailed
covering other
passed were
school.”
Everybody
Africa.
The
have
on
the
was
Coast
new
and
and
cruiser,
my
around carrier
the
casualty
word
bombardment
out
and
postgraduate
a
that
you
for
couple
they
if
completely
for
Ensigns
Captain
Wichita
base
which So
force
of
a
they
I
British
the
stay
everybody
except
another
and
had
was
fog her until
sight
I
were
said,
of
coursc.
fog.
of
for
were,
aboard
neck
a
my
bank
orders
at weren’t
called that
was
16
but
the
destroyers
squadron
for
waters,
shooting
a
schools
“Sure,
battle
We
month
was
understanding
through
convoy
cruise.
during
we
they
end
one
in
and
I
out
through
me
to
were
think
December
supposed
a
had
stations,
destroyer.
I’ll
of
go
operating
were
of
the
to
force
and
in
of
back
that
and en
steaming
six two
a
the
the
to
stay
and
it
destroyers.
signal
certain
route
that
the
subject
was
period.
submarine
at
weeks.
consisting
at
Naval
years.
ship
said,
so
aboard.”
to
was
least
fall
9,
us.
sort
He
actively
a
get
to
from
it
amount
1942
along
British
didn’t The
and “1
and
that
to
zigged Munnansk.
Academy
My
one
of
married
Then
We
can’t
being
the
thing.
So
school
I
and
of
Wichita
bride
it
submarine.
exploded
one
will
with
went
do
of
was battleship
where
flag
people
a
and
tell
on
discharged
until
new
day,
reconnaissance
any
So
went
guarantee
went
the
in
to
not didn’t
the
ship
you On
got
she
did
major
the
well
Casablanca.
two
US
went
British
in
mechanically
back
that
10 th
All
to
what
hit
came
took
that
we
summer
realize
battleship,
an
years
up
big
once
we
day
thing
damage.
from
to
you
home
go?
cut
we
off
off
empty
out
home
ships,
flight
were
long
after
that
that
that
Wc
but
her
are
the the
the the
In
of
to to
Mr.
going
come growing. had
Were
on
1
Captain Did Mr.
Captain torpedo
this
Mr.
What to ordered
When War
We Captain Harbor;
Let
Mr.
don’t
go
that.
me
Misenhimer
35
day
you Misenhimer
were
Misenhirner
Misenhirner
now
on
you
I
out
on
you
remember
officers
said.
go
Kaufman
hole
To
Kaufman
and where
back
Kaufman
all
my
in
Not
of
in
all
too.”
all
back
think
those
indicate
the
The way
age,
port
in
surprised
to
heard
all
were
and
it.
and
90-day
New
We
Pacific
at
that to
of
days.
in
when
So
that
when
submarine
about
them
Iceland.
you
what
ask
had
we
you
York.
by
wonder
I
time
fleet
you
and
knew
submitted
had
I
would
the
were
was
it,
left
and
what
how a
a I
attack
is
a
told
comment
going couple
that
school
in
productive
in
school.
destroyer
then
go
did
December
reaction
the
we
some
the
to
at
on
to
you
and
war
of
the
Pearl
had
application
But
Norfolk.
in
on
questions.
other
hear
the
Pacific,
now
did
sunk
been
people.
those
the
nevertheless,
Flarbor?
of
Wichita
people
about
too.
people
8 th
1942,
in
in
17
days,
We
or
of
the
for
A
the
On
stay
it?
December
couple
spent
have?
it sailed
war
submarine
and
when
December
Atlantic
had
in
that
during
this
a
Europe’?
85 to
of
I
couple
was
joined
the
officers.
is
was,
them
and
school.
the
probably
7,
an
Pacific.
o[days
1941
“Well,
another
summer
indication
were
the
That’s
But
Wichita
when
in
not
the
in
I
one
training; and
do
how
there.
very
Pacific
ol
Japan
have
fall
had
in
the
rapidly
politic
June
I
of
attacked
size
a
one
they
was
Fleet
1
tremendous
941.
of
comment
increases
to
detached
we
had
is
1940
say
in
ere
Pearl
just
the
in it
tube
true
equivalent doesn’t
California. off your were
along come war
supposed was mother-in-law Captain Okay,
wife baby.
in England Mr. Captain
In Harbor Yes.
June
the
and
Misenhimer
World
the
was
so
home
ears.
I
very
during
in I
you
meantime,
think
did.
that
I had
Back
of
occur
tossed
first Kaufman Kaufman
the
earlier
went
on
to
worried
I
1943. were
of
from
The
War
couldn’t.
I
some
we
next
be.
and
notification
the
could
to
100 anymore,
to
happened
me
submarine’s
going
were.
II
the
in
Earlier
1
war
the
you
sub when
morning
feet
leave.
was
about
so-called
out.
clear
1
hospital
942,
two
They
had
school
couldn’t
of to
I
ordered
1
we
is
classmates
don’t
I
it.
my
submarine
that
did
saltwater
to
a
year
1
they
rode
bled
test and
got
With
think
look
fleet name
the
ears
and
nothing
I
think
to
put
was
rule.
depth
they back
wear
a
the
next
the
about
and
out
bus
submarine.
a
there
was
the
to
submarine prsure
of
going
school.
that
remodeled
war
to
I’m
civilian
day
of
make
of
for
I
from
class
mine
went
Gato.
New
the
were
412
her
we
going
a
with
quite
to
New
couple
third
sure
Tell
into
had
feet.
to
off
daughter’s
had
get
York
It
Gato
four
clothes
that
our
the
on,
had
sure
that
a
there me
I
my
been
York
or
any
18
So
don’t
pressure
firstborn.
of
of
next
City
SS-212 was
we
a
fourth
about
that
I nose
you
lest more
weeks
any
us
went
discharged
at
didn’t
City
in
sub
in
know
hospital
that
on
could
depth
my
overhaul
to
that.
longer.
December
day
was
chamber
reason
aboard
to
school
We
the
and
clear
worry
particular
commanding
how
western
one
the
clear
of
went
ship
room
then
for
You
to
the
312
class.
high
the
class
of
at
and
and
your
of expect
that
early
on
the
Mare
they
sheathing
Gab
window
feet.
Pennsylvania.
were
time.
we
it
name
1942
ran
from
I
things
was;
were
Eustachian
graduated
called
weren’t
marriages
Island
officer
‘[he
in the
it
always
I
my
there.
of
was than
late
they
and
married
air
next
that
over
the
wife
me
Naval
June
pressure
there
discharged.
on
bled the
saw
from
first
they in
class
tubes
In
and
the
but
had
that
ones
uniform.
or
those
that
the
me
to
Shipyard
class
Eustachian
sub none
did,
told
early
that
just
and
bring
cruise
up
preure
and
in
weren’t
school
days
which
of
me
to
came
had
of
Pearl
clear
July
that
My
the
the
my
us
to
in
to
a a
which Admiral
circled the Flag war
other engine
Turner complex was would commanding
out considerably Class
was probably of
Medal
in Flag some Executive
in Staff
the
early
1943
to
latter
just
the
quite
and
Lieutenant.
asked
occupants
odd
of
harbor
be
contained
you
of
flying
had
Iwo
We
March
surrender as
before
Lockwood
right
1928
a
portion
General
going
Honor
a
Officer
jobs
like
Flag
a
me
been
got
famous
Jima
torpedo
younger
at
officer,
boats
on
which
the
to
of
the
back
Guam around
to
Lieutenant.’
Admiral
in
the
I
winner,
of
and
the
go
officers
of
had 1945
go
ceremony
same
end,
the
and
the
submariner
took
to
the
amphibious
to
and
to
was
waterfront. he
fellow
then
for
that
Pearl
Guam
Pearl.
aircraft
1
war.
orjust
a
headed Gato
question
was
arrived
was
Nimitz
me
gunnery
most
new
fairly
in
job
proceeded
for
He
Harbor
was
He
te
with
there
also
the
and
Sometime
after
on
construction
of
that
by
up
the
was
ancient
said,
boss
Pacific
at
and
This
and
scheduled
force
that
into
be
on
officer.
him.
that
to
when
Guam
it,
last
I about
a
Admiral
a
those
I
“Go
on
on
was Tokyo.
the
period.
became
early
naval
gave
whole
time,
personnel
We
two
that for
around
a
up
Admiral
I
and
I
December
see
number
in
last
got
submarine
made
a
flew
him
for
patrols.
1946.
to
aviator
could
a
other
Right
was
On
Lockwood’s
submarine
the
became
the
fellow
two
there.
Tokyo
September
the
February
19
from
the
Chief
officer. five
We
and
Vice
submarine
of
make
contingent.
patrols.
around
same At
and
of
vay
the
by
a
were
the
war
his
Bay.
as
Guam
which
fellow
of
1944
Admiral
he
the
skipper
it
the
island
answer
Red
staff
of
up Submarine
Flag
Staff.”
patrols
the
2,
were
took
ordered
In
name
and
Executive
1945
we
base
to
time
1945,
At
Rarnage
end
the
by
moved
Lieutenant?”
landings
Saipan
the
invited
at
passed
Richmond
and
I
Saipan
I
the
in
meantime, Guam.
was
of
the
I
of
went
that
aboard
had
controls Admiral
Gab.
he
Red
Force
the
name
ashore
force
detached
sent
Officer.
in
time.
said,
to
over promoted
over
including
we
war.
Then
Ramage,
a
the
The
an
Commander’s
Kelly
for
of
transfI.rred
four-engine
personnel
of
I
Lockwood to
“Go
Iwo
there
a
He
said,
I
old
surrender
Bob
the
can’t
a
major first
after
me
They
and
newly
was
pack.”
Jima.
submarine
up
Turner.
Iwo
“Sir,
airplane
and
a
and
Foley
three
I
the
remember
Congressional
to
had
thought
relieved
chunk
officer,
Jima
the
into
constructed
become
said,
One
and
I’m
land
ceremony.
end
(laugh)
me
under
Aide
Admiral
II’om
Chiel’
and
3
not
during
all
tender
of
of
of
“1
doing
plane
I
fbur
by
who
was
low
and
if
the
the
the the
we
cut
the the
the
So
of
it a
told
my reels.
hand provide
decided you comment
Cleveland back, the
there
office Of squadron the
Commander. Commander.” Captain What assembly
Mr. Lockwood Pacific
I
was
course
hand
submarine
back
did
Misenhimer
him,
and
It
rank
and
1
building,
a
Then
After
Fleet
was
it.”
to
was
Kaufman
them
row.
and
Lieutenant
the
“Admiral,
that
commander
was,
speak
for
did then
there
is
He
a sitting
Admiral
Things
we
in arrived
took
the
didn’t
You
Navy
with
you
tender
very
I
as
had
the
and
went
had
come
it
was
we
surrender
the
have?
into
can’t
been
front
fine beside
some
had
you
have
moved
Day,
been Commander,
in
looked
and
stopped
nobody aboard
over
reel
nretty
a
Tokyo
a a
wire,
have
see
row
recorder,
any
flew
verbal POW
pretty
October
out
commissioned
a
on
pretty
ceremony.
me;
down
Marine
the
of
close
scrambled
to
and
like
around.
of
back
the
Bay
that
since
good
do
maybe
submarine
the
material
fast
I
a
a
at
which
27
to
morning
changed
this
including
to
wire
famous
fine
machine
officer
those
early
the
look
in
in
We
Guam
Admiral
my
one
eggs
those
piano
recorder.
those
end
in
I
•for
in at crawled
acres
cap
tender,
picture
will
the
again.”
about
the
of
on
the
the
the
and of
a
the
days.
wire.
days,
is
20
the
submarine
reel.
his
Navy
the
Lockwood
war.
and
following
be
place.
dropped
visible.
naval
I
my
and
of
through
cap.
was
(laugh)
surrender
story.
facetious
He I
to
acres
all
got
age.
for
I
We
speak
running
spoke
historian.
went
of
I
to
Admiral
5
it
tender.
of
day.
was
the
came
lIe
When
and
and
¼
the
war
over
ceremony
and
for in
flag
did.
years
probably
One
the
Captain
end
the
Cleveland
back
another
supplies
Admiral
we
1-Ic
to
say,
Lockwood
and
He
recorder.
wire
of
of
and
the
circled
had
and
asked
my
general
the
‘I
under
the
to
Lew
Japanese
went
15
I
was,
spent
written
Lockwood
memories
was
lirst
the
and vvas
only
minutes
The
me
to
Parks,
construction,
all
officers
“Now
as
Missouri.
reel.
only
was
the
only
land
if
one
wire
over
submarine
ordered
his
I
night
also
wanted
and I
who
on
a in
at
a
I
and
was
held
speech
the
and
know
Lieutenant Lieutenant
that
Guam
that
I
asked
again
Admiral
was
place.
held
I
on
back
I
up
stayed
in
whole
to
am
flight
base.
four
how
and
my
the the
his
go
up
on
to
to
in I
topside
would was
we was
Captain
I time. the
Let
Mr.
days
the
ready submarine
arrived. sawhorses Guam
When thought, Quonset
buildings recall.
come
1967,
few
back
was
heard
submarine
me
Pentagon
Misenhirner
a
daylight. weeks
to
to
the
to back
pretty
and
we
come
When
and
go
and
Cleveland
get
Kaufman
move
It
“What
hut
gunnery
lots
and
got
hack
yes
and
insignia
asked
to
was
the
we
some
aggressive
over
and the
of
and
Guam,
there
the
We
BOQ
it
back
some
shot
and
staff
depth
a
this
was.
staff
briefings
I
and if
Admiral’s
got
and
with
kept
magnificent
had
in
ask
it
back
they
to
and
moved
needs
planks
that
moved
was
orders
I
we
torpedo
charges different
Pearl
him
you
hope
trying
skipper.
the
one
would
at
will
would
in
from
is
the
front
some
but
and
back
office
Harbor,
to
ashore
of
the
it
be
a
officer
to
and
is
airplane thing
go
colors.
I
the
conference
provide
I
maybe
the
dive.
bachelor’s
harder thought
work half
questions.
can’t
still
to
fired
to
was
things
in
Fleet
Pearl
that
on
the
and
of
there
Finally
Guam
I
quote
our
some
iust
than
a
which
me
the
was
it
“No;
was
Philippines.
number
Commander’s
in
I
1-larbor
all
waY
table.”
officer
at
today.
Tell
looked
first
with
not
just
it
the
you
sort
the
one
the
fired
to
by
was
21
going
me
in
three
go
one.
center
skipper
of how flabbergasted.
of
myself.
head
thing
and
And
quarters
I
up
and
a
a
about
back
torpedoes.
a
went
series
little
I
patrols cover.
was
I
at
many
I
of
arranged
that
that
every
thought
office
of
moved
all.”
there
got
your
I
this
over
bit
to
of
at
was
it,
ends
I
ships
I
tired
I
find
made
So
Quonset
but
time
the
line.
waited
and
there.
about
patrols
made.
We
to
So
back
they
in
to
I
up
didn’t
submarine
out
he
stayed
of
one
got see
there
we
He
stop
was
sure
pretty
My
would
that.
two
was
The
a
there.
zn
if
huts
my
into
had
would
of
couple
hurt
the
by
that
was
with
the
family
in
credited
commanding
the
feet
wife
He
much
a the
that
in
Guam.
Admiral.
Another
send
anything.
base.
table
Gab.
convoy
shipped
called
submarine a
move
Pearl
of
back
long,
for
were
chair
and
my
weeks
me
was
In
with
an
Then
for
half
the
one
I
in
built
was
incident
World
back
over
1967
When
hour
and
stayed
Commander
still
officer
an
sinking
a
and
gun
of
in
day
tenders
couple
for
an
a
a
airplane to
and
1
there
the
this
we
War
desk.
was
a
couple
crews
and
in
Pearl.
office
inlaid
that
table
then
then
next
but
full
the
got
of
in
in
in
it 11
I I
to. them. were
would one
him dropped Foley
back him said, something
gave Captain head
Captain Mr. left. Skipper
That sent (laugh)
boat back
stories
around
I
suppose
We
afternoon.
Misenhimer
over
the
aboard
up
was
him
not
with
“Yes,
up
up
About
got
come
to
got
with
That
Kaufman and
granted
said
submarine quite
the
on
to
the
fortunate.
tell.
a
a
us
I
being
the
pen
do
I
the
and
personal
my
tell
conning
twilight
he
up
then,
(which side.
got
know
We
a
that.
I
Japanese
and
number
bridge
don’t
there
binoculars said,
we
it
the
our
loose
were
He
and
“Our
down
How
I—Ic
we
a
had
of
stories
we
tower
piece
attention. message
and remember
didn’t
he
Captain,
didn’t
and
course
took
steaming
on
of
a
surfaced.
intelligence
soldier
did
until
went
Japanese
we
depth
and
deck.
of
he
hatch
because
know
you
some
do
had
paper
we
said,
from
the
down
probably
We
the
up
how
charges.
it
along
get
He
weren’t
and
I
a
exactly
again.
main
pretty
soldier
had
and
got
“Captain,
couple
people
and
the
this
people
I
well
requested
on
requested
was
one
the
more
I’m
Chief
deck
had
deck
Japanese
a
Another
close.”
Finally
we
going
what
couple
aboard,
morning
first
of
involved
in
are
sure
him
did.
was
people
and
there
lookouts
of
the
permission
depth
watch
going
to
22
permission
we
He
to
he
Naval
of
The interesting
soldier?
wasn’t
awash
which
afterbattery
do).”
copy
on
is
thought
miles
were
said,
in
up
charges
to
on
escorts
a
the
and
them.
Operations,
topside
depth
The
the
he
and
the
is
gone
able
“That’s
away
surface
to
another
me.
unhappy
to
we
inscription
thing
bridge.
people
dumped
held
were
go
to
Maybe
charge
for
compartment
come
there were
One
and
break
down
not
that
more
in
us
but
story
wrestled Admiral
I
we
the
of
that
down
up
was
going
was
the
back
the what
we
contact
he
off
the
than
and
daylight
happened
on
that
we
boat
something
had,
could
on
other
the
for
there.”
ship’s
I
to
the
check
are
a
the
didn’t
it
King,
mean.
I
over and
shoot
depth
quite
will
we
minute.
into
bridge.
officers
sure
complaining bridge,
and
got
officers
to
move
And
have
it
that
the
the
bring
a
It’s
charge
him
in
hear
I
have
out.
long
into
would
Then
the
boat
side
We
the
the
submarines
still
to
have
away
and
them.
this
Then
a
stuck
time
water.
a
get
brought
Captain
and
Skipper
and
and
convoy
he
there.”
rubber
swing
throw
about
thing
other
from
back
was
and
We
our
the
we
we
his It
around some
that
we him tender wardroom. around.
was Mr. of Sure
(laugh) that come compartment in
Mr. Japanese. serial looked
What Captain soldier
I
Where
don’t
pretty
the
never
Misenhimer Misenhimer
compartment
a
up
we
enough
patrol forward
number.
tender
pretty
tender
and
was
took
alright. like
remember and
He
sank He
Kaufman
bad
tried
The
was here
that
Somebody
turned
there
had
was
one
there
that
raw
or
between
shape.
was
word
by
to
That
We
perfectly
at?
been
in
not.
that look
we
find
was
himself
sores.
really
whether
was
him
crammed
the
quartered
was
had
went
on?
Eventually
I
around
out
at
some
where
this
had
middle
don’t
over
gotten
about
shined
We
sea
happy
what
to
alongside,
Japanese
it
a
motion
to
eat.
by
got
with
was
Japanese-English
at
know
him
he
all
of
happened.
a
around
all
up.
to himself
After
was
at
squad
him
the
we
in
in
stay
sailors.
those
the
When
if
on
the
on
the
not
and
knew
war
we
aboard
on he
of
on
end
it.
this
for
Marshall
after
a
people
the
the had
Marines most
knew
I
dock.
it
the
The
about
headed
of
raft.
several
came
submarine
messing
torpedo
been
and
submarine
the
dictionary
assigned
Americans.
staring
or
We
23
him.
Islands
time
patrol
the
and
aboard
the
if
days.
went
we
room
compartment
We
that
pharmacist’s
submarine
at
for
tender
guard
for
we
or
him
Between found
and
alongside
don’t
for
him
is
including
which
New
the
got
the
and
a
he
that
to
locked
rest
few
out
know
in
last
was
Guinea.
eat,
over
started always
we the
and
and
would
of days
mate
how
we
most
asked
the
if
had
the
his sun
there
went
brought
he
heard
the
right
long
had
people
treated
It
life. this
be
prisoner
sailors,
and
may
was
for
and
Captain
alongside
notified
a
of
prisoner
hack
he
Anyway,
the
watch
his
him
have
one
called
in
him.
him
had
had
saltwater
name,
the
up
down
aboard.
or
had
been
and
there.
After
and
been
topside.
never
and
a
intermediate
the
the
we
submarine
him
the
rank,
he
on
he
the
other. Captain.
brought
floating
the
I-Ic
He
he
seen
would
hatch.
a
in
came
deck
ship
The
was
war
and
had
had
the
It a Captain Kaufman
I think it was either the seventh or eighth Gato patrol.
Mr. Misenhimer
How many patrols were you on the Gab?
Captain Kaufman
I made five. I was on 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.
Mr. Misenhimer
How many total patrols did the Gab make?
Captain Kauhan
I think about 14 or 15.
Mr. Misenhirner
You were not on it for the Battle of Midway?
Captain Kaufman
No. Not only was I not on it; that was the summer of 1942 and I was still on the Wichita and I mentioned that we had been on a covering force for a Murrnansk convoy, and that’s where we were. We were, at the Battle of Midway, off the co’ cf Norway. Mr. Misenhirner
How many times were you all depth charged while you were on the Gab? Quite a few.
Captain Kaufinan
On these five patrols I would guess 15 times.
Mr. Misenhimer
What was it like being depth charged?
Captain Kaufman
Some of the light bulbs would break. Dust Fromthe overheads would come cascading down. I dont know what it is like when you have severe damage because during the time that I was aboard we never got any severe damage. Ilowever, when I joined Gato in the Mare Island Naval Shipyard, just before, when it had first come in, it was getting towards the end of the overhaul when I joined it.
24
back was torpedo
projectiles
fuse one then
crew in very
shooting projectiles, The
on Merchant Mostly can depth They
sort Captain Mr.
Captain
last Did
Mr. Yes
the
the
really
Misenhimer
Misenhimer
you
of
patrol
of but
bigger
deck
on
many
and
at
and
came
charge
same
fuse
the
thing
merchant
us.
a
1 Kaufman
Kaufman
on
all
at
don’t
most
lower
gun
knocked
be
ships.
gun
that
we
convoys
Earlier
than
this
of
you sink
because
port in
done
around,
to
the
we
there
had
crew
of remember
Commander
guy
where
set
time
quite
the
One
and
ships
projectile
had
these,
by
on
them
were
them
or
I
Captain
they
with
and
the
setting.
We
thing a
got
a
we
then
they
single
or
depth
few
Captain
he
out
Pm
to the
wouldn’t
some were
made
had
the a
was
I
could
and had torpedo
ships
go
thought Foley
didn’t
He
kind charge.
ships
talking
count.
So
been
there
off
of
several
a
fired
a
set
had
we
while
three
not
fuse
these
that
by was
but
run
some
comment
jammed
It
it
some
didn’t
it
about
it
gotten
extract
timing.
on
is
list
would
there
that
and
percussion
battle
inch.
you
AA
in
in
place
the
war
and
command
the
it
have
3
were
shallow.
projectiles
some
were
the
It in
projectile
went
on
surfaces
be
or
As
I ships?
records.
where
was
a
don’t
25
torpedo
4
that
and
any
on
I
torpedo
rounds
some
fuses
off
or
said,
later
it?
we
they We
you
more
a
remember
just maybe
on
up
and
submarine
fishing
I
that
were either
replaced
surfaced
of
ships
are
and
had
tube
was
beyond
of
the
3-inch
went
5
leading
them
I
a
in
the
way,
next
and
boats
and
think
small
three
what
an
by
the
on
rescue
gunnery
antiaircraft
off
the
shot
firing
one
area
push
a
and
I
me
one,
inch craft
target
I
had
on
five
based tube
went
at
vessel
into.
some where
it
and
contact.
one
gun.
already
them
were
officer
inch.
out
had
So
it
off
projectiles.
I
we
morning
patrol
They
on,
or
just
think
I
we
with
too
It
been
told
right
left
haul
discussed
The
was
After
I
weren’t
happened
set
small
were
boats
him
the
maybe
the
crushed
over
it
anti-aircraft a
that
the
we
three
in.
deck
The
ship.
to
shooting
to
and
the
timer
finding
Things
I
started
it
set
on
use
think
other
to
with
gun.
by
inch
gun
that
We
the
the
be
a a
was temperance
was New
hotel
horseback miles
gallop Yes. Mr. went
before had ButI
Captain Captain
When Yes. Mr. Mr. would
Captain But I What were
We
don’t
went
Brisbane
Misenhirner
Misenhimer Misenhimer
a
exhausted
in
I Brisbane
Guinea.
fairly
back
and
never
were
week
you
to
can’t attract
one
he
have
Montana
Kaufman
Kaufman Kaufman
into
they
a
to
joined ere
morning
riding.
some
close
got
hotel
remember
off.
little
my
Pearl
some
was
Brisbane
is
would
and
over
in
map
on
One
ports to
or
the
and
town
the
I
Brisbane
1-larbor.
aircraft;
New
then
beside
the
had
to
Wyoming
only
have
in
of
Navy.
that’s
that
if
Perth.
once.
east
front
named
never the
the
Guinea
that
Australian
an
you
a
so
did
coast.
other
bar
the
barrel
We
was
We
Aussie
We
of
we
been
went
or
you
Toowoomba.
would me.
one
I
went
were
departed
at
rented
think.
someplace
officers
Submarines
of
get
the
into?
astride
Army
Mime
we
port
beer
into
in
close.
to
end
After
stayed
a
Midway;
that
go
Did
at and
from
camp.
Ma]
Bay
couple
a
of
ashore
the
like
(laugh)
you
horse
you
we
Toowoomba
operated
uro
the
I
in.
in
there.
26
went
bar.
The
left
that.
went
New go
first
we
in
of
Every
and
before
They the
into
The
this
soldiers
were
incountry.
horses
or
I-Ic
into?
out
Guinea.
meet
Marshall
any craft
afternoon
the
other
would
and
had
of
in
had
any
a second
were
in
there
Brisbane
on
we
ridden
officer
couple
It
Australia?
two
I’ve
of
keep
fire,
Islands.
is
yelling
were
several
the
we
right
patrol
forgotten
hotels.
the
we
horses
that
and
of Australian
would
coming
on
left
We
bar
at
mornings
times.
that
was
Perth
mc.
the
One
as
because
open
went
go
now.
I
with
southeastern
Half
a
down
made.
on
And
over
people?
of
youngster,
until into
the
and
but
me,
of
them
of
we
to
a
But
Milne
west
them
that
75
course
road
his
went
the
figured
yes
to
was
barrel
home
coast.
tip
other
were
long
Bay.
at 100
out
we
we
of
a
a it
was
as
Captain
If got No.
What
Mr.
was
Bangkok,
Captain
Have
Mr.
were
That’s Captain
They
Mr.
screened trying
a
Yes. Captain
stumble
Were
saying,
Mr.
you
little
make
to
Misenhirner
one
Misenhirner
My
with
Misenhirner
Misenhimer
The
in
does
you didn’t
the
the
are
to
correct
bit
the
Kaufman
“Let
Kaufiuian
sure
Kaufman
next
Kaufman
and
of
windows
think
operated
one
only
Australian
more
one been
more
a
my
hotel
have
flag
I
that
him
to
in
didn’t
in
thing
although
back of
duties,
familiar
Australia.
last
like
Lieutenant
Manila,
at
when
a
out”
an
the
or
lot
Toowoomba.
tour in
to
people
either.
example
screen
of had
R&R
and
This
my
Australia
the
with
I
the
one
before
didn’t
recollection
recalled
Admiral
the
friendly?
was do?
doors.
station
appliances
Army
in
to
other
Tokyo,
I
get
since
not
give
retired.
from
lingo,
left
for
a
half
a
you
the
real
normal
is,
soldiers
the
that
arid
the
were
the
I
I
war?
but
good
don’t
ship
had
we
one
1920s
Army
I
flag
yelling,
had
in
gone
the don’t
27
look.
in
know
Vietnam.
Lieutenant
when
I-long
either.
would
boat
to
have
I
“Hold
how
don’t
the
was
I
Kong.
call
was
a
to
Philippines
We
there;
good
his
think
say
duty
it
a
I
had
an
head
youngster
got
this,
one.
keeping
Aide
but
I
one
was
to
up.”
but
I
in
I
several
de
was in
don’t
in
1967 the
(laugh).
the and
Canberra
Camp.
any
also
standard
boat
think
the
Oi
and
Aussie
the
those
I
early
The
in
the
did
the
and
commanding
proper
of
such
command
horse
but homes.
houses
1930s.
we
living
I
things
had
shape
never
didn’t
was
We
had
I’m
in I
the
kid.
got
an
some
and
kept
acquired
in where
“Like
generally
Captain
in
On
I
getting
Mr. widow
pretty
Captain
I Mr.
ofstulTis
What
officer
don’t
can’t
a
the
overnight
diving
in
the
get
submarine.
Misenhimer
He
Misenhirner
pestering
other
and
would
world
a
heavy
I
remember
Gab,
there
of
shot
behind.
him
just lot
Kaufman
Kaufman
had
30%
lost
all
what
got
alarm
people
of
at.
off
went could
you
were
run
the
depth
a how
moored.
30%
practically
me other
I
man
Iliad
I
my
I
sounded
don’t
enlisted
was
consider
from
whether
don’t
to
was
any
nuts
down.
you
of
charge
back,
things,
that
get
to
the
the
remember
A problems
the
San
stand
when
do.
remember
aboard.
raw
couple men
He
(we Executive
couldn’t
experienced
your
I
morale?
it
attack
Francisco
asked
particularly
was
was
living
recruits.
made
the
assigned
most
of
at
He
the
ever
aboard
one
diving
for
take
the
all.
getting
a
inside
Officer
was
same
frightening
couple
down
him day
Most being
men
Chief
I
to
if
it.
do
just
maybe
alarm
the
and
that
you
day
and
real
In
have
in
on
of
to
scared
of
Petty
dying
staff.
the
them
World
I
San we
the piece
when
are
practice
went
ten
scared
think
time
28
one
crew
had
Officers Gab
young,
Diego. about Making
to
days
had
of
the
story
ofL”
in
War
I
get
the
on
was
back
pipe,
dives
World
at
been
time
and
that.
out
depth
you
Mare
I
to
my
In
II.
came
arrangements
concerned
didn’t
to
the
day
tell
to
to
on
peace
came
when
get
times
War
new
sub
sea charge
Island
the
overhaul
around
after
you.
used
hear
the
11?
and
school
way
construction
time
we
on
People
day
then
and
on
personnel
anything
to
fiht
to
came
the
down)
for
I
was
deck
after
it.”
me
but
I
suppose
that
had
his
Wichita
the
keep
completed
and
I
had
into
we
or
day?”
only
trips
I
a
submarines
about
war.
pool
might
young
not,
said,
asking
never
had
the
we
recall
and
when
Finally, I
sent
but
this
to
shipyard
Every
keep
would
be
been
and
fellow
all
sit
me,
we
leaving
one
until
we
him
that
on
and
he saying,
to
look
“How
to
have
time
were
that
case
that
had
and
we sea
sort
try
we
we
a a
I
a
into Mr.
Captain
Yes,
They
I Captain
Mr.
They
Captain
But
was
Mr. and bomb
(laugh) Captain
volunteered
Mr.
knew
Were submarines”
something
would
was
brand
Misenhimer they
Misenhimer
other
Misenhimer
Misenhimer
office
by
going
never
never
on
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