LitChat: March 19, 2012 Topic of the Week: MediaMonday‐‐The Ethics of Fan Fiction

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LitChat Welcome to a MediaMonday in #litchat. Today we're discussing the ETHICS OF FAN FICTION. Joining us is @GalleyCat editor @JasonBoog. ‐4:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat The easiest way to follow #litchat is from http://t.co/OrNkyWhA. Just authorize the app and you're in the convo. ‐4:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat While #litchat is underway, please don't use the #litchat hashtag unless you're contributing to the convo. Thanks. ‐4:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LM_Preston Why didn't you tell me this before I became a writer? http://t.co/0iYeVlMi #amwriting #wip #amrevising #yalitchat #litchat ‐4:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I made it! *phew* #litchat ‐4:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Let's have some introductions. Tell us whether you read or write fan fiction. #litchat ‐4:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe Marc Nash author #litchat I have no cencept of what fan fiction is. It's still writing, still fiction. If it's in the style of, who cares? ‐4:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @LitChat Could you clarify yr definition of fan fiction? Thanks #LitChat ‐4:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes I'm here #litchat! ‐4:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana <‐‐ madly looking up definition of fan fiction. #litchat ‐4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe #litchat like any writing, it will stand or fall on its readership. If the readers want it, all well and good ‐ 4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @21stCscribe it appropriates characters and structure, not " style of" #litchat #litchat ‐4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat @21stCscribe Fan fiction is more than emulating a style of writing. It's using the entire universe, setting, characters. #litchat ‐4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Fan fiction defined per Wikipedia, here: http://t.co/ZvukjDzz #litchat ‐4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo Cyndy Aleo, former fanfic author #litchat ‐4:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Wrote fan fiction when I was 12/13. It was atrocious, fun and motivating. I read it rarely these days but I've read my fair share. #litchat ‐4:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 RT @maggiedana: <‐‐ madly looking up definition of fan fiction. #litchat ‐4:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I'm here. I taught Twilight fan fiction‐‐but specifically All Human/AU, which does not nec. use the same world/setting #litchat ‐4:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @LitChat I imagine more than a few law suits had problems sorting all this out. #litchat ‐4:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 My book club hated March (novel about Mr. March's life in the war ‐ based on LIttle Women). Can't think of any other I've read...#litchat ‐4:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @LitChat Untrue. Sometimes fan fiction writers deposit established characters in an alternate universe. #litchat ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 1 www.litchat.net 21stCscribe #litchat presumably fan fiction exists becaiuse the original writers turn to other projects or are *too slow* at getting out new material? ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @LitChat @21stCscribe Do you mean someone trying to write as, say, Jane Austen? #LitChat ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @prof_anne but still uses characters/relationships #litchat ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes I thought fan fiction was using characters from a show, movie or book and expanding on it. #litchat Never touched the stuff! ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Fan fiction is drawing from an author's story/characters for one's own version with said characters, etc. #litchat ‐4:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I think that fan fiction is a reader's imagination stemming their desires for established characters/plots into written format. #litchat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @21stCscribe no. It has to do with fans wanting to extend the story, universe, characters, plot #litchat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @LitChat Fan fiction, I'm thinking, draws a fine line between what's legal and what's plagiarism, yes? #litchat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @maggiedana Thanks, very useful. I suppose WIDE SARGASSO SEA would qualify as fan fiction ? #LitChat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat We're discussing the ethics of fan fiction, and specifically as pertaining to recent 7‐figure sale of fan‐fic inspired novel. #litchat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jasonboog Expert once estimated fan fiction makes up "33% of all content revolving around books" online: http://t.co/RDf7A7uk #litchat ‐4:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReneeRosen1 @LitChat I've never read fan fiction‐‐seems to me you'd be better off reading the original??? #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @BlueShoes55 sort of, I would have thought it was more likely to be Twilight or Star trek or particular film characters #LitChat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 RobertTidwell I hate fan fiction but support others who like it. #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 courtneylarking @LitChat Never thought I would read fanfic, but just finished PDJames' Death Comes to Pemberley! #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @cyndyaleo I have no problem with that #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne James Joyce's Ulysses or Jean Rhys Wide Sargasso Sea. If these were written about copyrighted books, would they be fanfiction? #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @jasonboog: Expert once estimated fan fiction makes up "33% of all content revolving around books" online: http://t.co/RDf7A7uk #litchat ‐4:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReneeRosen1 Can fan fiction ever be better than the original work? #litchat ‐4:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat For background on today's discussion, a quick read in this piece by @JasonBoog in @NPRbooks: http://t.co/r5GbggpO. #litchat ‐4:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana I'm always happy to see people reading ... no matter what they read. In this TV/Internet age, seeing books being read is awesome. #litchat ‐4:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 RobertTidwell Young band s cover their favorite songs, young writers write their favorite characters. #litchat ‐ 4:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @21stCscribe you have no problem with someone selling work based on your characters? #litchat ‐ 4:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Am now going to see if some of my fave authors have spawned fan fiction. #litchat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 2 www.litchat.net BlueShoes55 <‐‐‐‐ fesses up to dabbling in writing fan fiction as lit exercise, style discipline. Great fun. Good discipline. #LitChat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @ReneeRosen1 Some novels/stories leave a reader unsatisfied/wanting/wondering. A novel inspired/spinning off that can be great. #litchat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @cyndyaleo good luck to them in my case! #litchat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @courtneylarking #litchat I would love to read Death Comes to Pemberly! For some reason I don't associate that with fanfic but I guess it is ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe William Burroughs cut up other authors' texts for his early novels. No one had a problem with that then #litchat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @RobertTidwell and if they record and sell, they pay royalties #litchat ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @maggiedana @LitChat #litchat I'd say. But "real" fanfic doesn't plagiarize, it extends the story around a character. ‐4:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill The reason fan fiction can be so cringe‐worthy is because of the writing quality. If it's well‐ written it's okay to read. If not... #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana All this begs the question: do authors of orig. fiction read fan fiction and get inspired to take their stories to new levels? #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 RobertTidwell I'm on my wrong account. Brb. #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne My fella and his friends champion appropriation as avant‐garde textual practice, AKA conceptual writing. Different from fic? #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill that can be true of some self‐pubbed fiction unfortunately #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReneeRosen1 @Cinnamon_Quill Interesting. I confess, I'm not too familiar with FF #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 I don't see how it's very different from drawing on archetypal characters and stories, although lawyers may disagree. #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 RT @21stCscribe: William Burroughs cut up other authors' texts for his early novels. No one had a problem with that then #litchat ‐4:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 KelliTrapnell #litchat fan fiction is great, but not for profit, unless the author of the fan fic bought the rights to what they use from the orig. author ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @LitChat #litchat Also, stats about fanfic rely on data not related to sales per se. Gazillions of sites have free fanfic. ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat What is considered copyright in fiction? Character names? Places? Titles? #litchat ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @Cinnamon_Quill I think most don't after the Zimmer Bradley suit #litchat ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LitChat titles definitely not copyrightable #litchat ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @21stCscribe That's true of a lot of self‐pubbed fic. Not saying there aren't gems and exceptions but it's all statistics. #litchat ‐4:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill You cannot copyright the title of a novel. #litchat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 juxtabook RT @LitChat: For background on today's discussion, a quick read in this piece by @JasonBoog in @NPRbooks: http://t.co/r5GbggpO. #litchat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 Thankfully (FOS) all authors I aspire to are not with us any more... #euphemism #fanfiction #LitChat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 3 www.litchat.net KelliTrapnell #litchat a seven figure deal on a fan fic book is nonsense, unless it's a story already in the public domain ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Wiswell @mvw888 The creators of those characters may disagree. #litchat Specific creation versus generic model is a valid concern. ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @LitChat Titles cannot be copyrighted. As for names, places ... is there an IP lawyer in the house? #litchat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @Cinnamon_Quill I agree, Keri! I see fanfic all the time online ‐ Fringe, Vampire Diaries, Twilight, etc. That's where we cringe. #litchat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @LitChat depends on country. Characters are in CA #litchat ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BookWithoutPics #litchat And what is the line between fanfiction and something like the Canongate Myth Series, which reinterprets older works/legends/etc.? ‐4:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Wiswell What about Mario Puzo allowing a fan to write a new Godfather novel and market it? #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy "@LitChat: What is considered copyright in fiction? Character names? Places? Titles? #litchat" Obvious reproduction of any of the above. ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG I love fanfic and for me it goes way beyond 'ethics' (economics) of lit. it's about changing identities and subjectivities #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @tracyleacarnes those themes and shows make me cringe in the originals! :‐) #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG I am pretty sure Roland Barthes would approve of fanfic #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo RT @KelliTrapnell: #litchat a seven figure deal on a fan fic book is nonsense, unless its a story already in the public domain #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @BookWithoutPics literary quality I imagine #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe RT @Notorious_QRG: I am pretty sure Roland Barthes would approve of fanfic #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill "Good writers borrow, great writers steal." Even this quote is stolen. It's debated as to where it originated. #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @jasonboog That data is important for authors to recognize the activity, and discover how to leverage it. #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @KelliTrapnell 7‐fig deal for fanfic just shows what pubs will pay for these days. (Scratches head). #litchat ‐4:13 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes #litchat The film Clueless was great and based on Emma. There is no copyright and it was done as a tribute, not necessarily fanfic ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Dashiell Hammett was sued for using his own characters‐‐he'd sold rights to Maltese Falcon, studio sued him for writing Sam Spade #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @Wiswell If Puzo trusts the fan enough, why not! #LitChat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Georgia_McBride great topic “@LitChat: Let's have some introductions. Tell us whether you read or write fan fiction. #litchat” ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy (Sales of 50 shady reached 7 figures?) #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Of far more import is trend for this to lead to contract for trad pub! #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @21stCscribe: RT @Notorious_QRG: I am pretty sure Roland Barthes would approve of fanfic #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 4 www.litchat.net Tiredwiredmum #litchat Can't imagine original authors are happy not having control of the characters they create but suppose good practise for new writers ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 NessEbony RT @cyndyaleo: RT @KelliTrapnell: #litchat a seven figure deal on a fan fic book is nonsense, unless its a story already in the public domain #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @Wiswell that's authorized so ethics really don't come into play. Fans may not like, but not unethical #litchat ‐4:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 trailerbride All my favourite fanfic involved Willow and Faith. #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Georgia_McBride RT @LitChat: While #litchat is underway, please don't use the #litchat hashtag unless you're contributing to the convo. Thanks. ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @LitChat #litchat I think a better angle is how to turn fanfic into a positive, for authors whose characters have incited it. ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 NessEbony @cyndyaleo same here #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 Surely fan fiction is greatest form of admiration #LitChat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @prof_anne Sounds like a lovely mess for the IP attorneys to sort out. Big bucks for them. Prolly not so much for authors. #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat @ReadingEcstasy Her traditional publishing house book deal brought in 7 figures. #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 @Wiswell Imitation:sincerest form of flattery;anyone with characters worth writing fanfic about can only benefit in terms of sales? #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @LitChat #litchat It might be fruitful to get ahead of potential fanfic, for example. Start a fanfic site ahead of time & steer it. ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Tiredwiredmum if U create a mass market character/realm, then I think Uhave to accept risk of fan cults & all their weird tributes #litchat ‐4:15 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy @prof_anne Think something similar happend to the Vampire Diaries author. #litchat ‐4:16 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock This only fans (!) enthusiasm to continue wasting talent ( if there) #litchat ‐4:16 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe I'm completely indifferent to fanfic, but to question whether it's ethical or not seems to me to go too far #litchat Unless direct reproduct ‐4:16 PM Mar 19th, 2012 OC_org This is the coolest thesaurus ever: http://t.co/wxGd4GGv What a great #edtech idea! (via @EDTECH_UTB) #litchat ‐4:16 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Fan fiction seems to be the point between a reader liking a story and wanting to change something about it. #litchat ‐4:16 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Help me out here. What book was 50 Shades a fanfic of? #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @LitChat #litchat I might set up a contest for fanfic for my series, then I can write the rules. What will & won't be considered for prize. ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 RT @Notorious_QRG: I am pretty sure Roland Barthes would approve of fanfic #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes I can't imagine anyone taking my characters and making them fanfic from my novel but hey, I might be flattered! LOL #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @Wiswell: What about Mario Puzo allowing a fan to write a new Godfather novel and market it? #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I don't write fan fiction because it would just subtract from my original fiction writing time. #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 5 www.litchat.net tayari Would you consider a novel like Wide Sargasso Sea to be fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @21stCscribe @Tiredwiredmum Agreed #Twilight #HarryPotter etc .. #LitChat ‐4:17 PM Mar 19th, 2012 1001cjd RT @LitChat: What is considered copyright in fiction? Character names? Places? Titles? #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat It's a sizzling erotic take on TWILIGHT series. RT @maggiedana: Help me out here. What book was 50 Shades a fanfic of? #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe fanfic your own work... interesting. Isn't that we call memoir? #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 KelliTrapnell RT @Cinnamon_Quill: I don't write fan fiction because it would just subtract from my original fiction writing time. #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @maggiedana Twilight apparently. Originally the characters were called Bella and Edwards but they were S&M. #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @maggiedana twilight. Was punned on fan http://t.co/urvNx3cx and Twilighted as Master of the Universe #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL I'm late but I'm interested. Now let's see if I can make this all about me. #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @tayari: Would you consider a novel like Wide Sargasso Sea to be fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @maggiedana generally speaking, satire, parody, protected #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy @LitChat That.is.crazy. #litchat ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @21stCscribe #litchat Yes, it doesn't matter if it's ethical. It exists & it's huge. ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @tracyleacarnes I'll see your 'flattered' and up it to 'floored' with a nod to Hawkeye and BJ. #litchat ‐ 4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe RT @Brainmaker: @21stCscribe #litchat Yes, it doesn't matter if it's ethical. It exists & it's huge. ‐4:18 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe Jane Austen Zombies is that fanfic? #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG http://t.co/irm7xcsY

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 6 www.litchat.net cyndyaleo Arg. 50 Shades was PUBBED on FFn. Have to tweet on phone #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell Back. Someone mentioned Royalties by cover bands. If I wrote a fan fiction that got a huge deal, I would assume part of it is owed #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Tiredwiredmum @tracyleacarnes Clueless was very loosely based on Emma tho. Someone once told me all stories are based partly on greek mythology #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell to the writer of the original content. #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SuperKannen I don't think the ethics will ever be fully sorted on this issue to everyone's satisfaction. There is nothing new under the sun. #litchat ‐4:19 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne The Wind Done Gone was sued, but ruled a parody, so allowed #litchat ‐4:20 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LibrarianMarian @Litchat The only difference between Fan‐fiction and sequels to the classics like Wide Sargosso Sea is time and fair use #litchat ‐4:20 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @trailerbride ha ha. But what about Spike? :[) #litchat ‐4:20 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @LitChat: What is considered copyright in fiction? Character names? Places? Titles? #litchat ‐ 4:20 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @maggiedana Exactly! I wouldn't mind perhaps updating themes from Wharton or Austen but I've never considered doing that fanfic #litchat ‐4:20 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @prof_anne: The Wind Done Gone was sued, but ruled a parody, so allowed #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @LitChat: For background on today's discussion, a quick read in this piece by @JasonBoog in @NPRbooks: http://t.co/r5GbggpO. #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @LitChat: Fan fiction is drawing from an author's story/characters for one's own version with said characters, etc. #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SuperKannen However, I am concerned w/how this particular former fanfic's amazing success will change the path‐to‐publication paradigm #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Ethics debate also involves fanfiction as a community. People give labor (reviews, critique, publicity) as part of gift economy #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 k_r_weinert #litchat Not personally,but an author mentioned she built up confidence by writing a fan fic novel first; she hasn't let anyone read it ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell The ugliest word on the internet, to me, is Shipping. Ugh. If anybody ever "ships" my characters, they will get a fist in the eye. #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne With the assumption that the labor is part of a not‐for‐profit exchange. When pub happens, some feel cheated, others feel validated #litchat ‐4:21 PM Mar 19th, 2012 deann_native RT @LitChat: RT @prof_anne: The Wind Done Gone was sued, but ruled a parody, so allowed #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 Was the "sequel" to Gone With The Wind not fan fiction? #litChat was it legal? ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL Is there a difference between fan fiction and re‐visioning? #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @maggiedana think you'll find it's their publishing companies chasing the money rather than the songwriters. It's just business #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana So, fanfic is OK s'long as it's a parody? Which makes me wonder: who defines parody. IP lawyers who don't read books? #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 7 www.litchat.net Brainmaker @maggiedana #litchat strange world, isn't it. (hope that's not a song!) ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012

21stCscribe @LaurenBaratzL yes, the personal phantasy element I suspect #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @LaurenBaratzL: Is there a difference between fan fiction and re‐visioning? #litchat ‐4:22 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Why focus on ethics? Imp pt is that trad pub has paid BIG BUCKS for this stuff! #litchat ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @LitChat where would Finn fall in this discussion? #litchat ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jasonboog '50 Shades' began as Twilight fan fiction. It has new characters, but some readers saw similarities: http://t.co/kdKGhESL #litchat ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @GLHancock Agree on everything is derivitive! There are only like 12 different plots. But fanfic borrows or steals the plot. #litchat ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @tracyleacarnes My class ultimately decided that copyright makes in fanfiction. But if you publish it as fanfiction, that counts #litchat ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @tracyleacarnes @maggiedana #litchat I spoke w/ a writer of fanfic at a party & found myself wondering why she didn't write her own stuff. ‐4:23 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LitChat Then are things of official novelizations, like all the Star Trek novels based on the show, but not cannon. #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell This is what I meant by "cover songs" RT @k_r_weinert: author mentioned she built up confidence by writing a fan fic novel first; #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @tracyleacarnes @maggiedana #litchat as in "that's how you choose to spend your time" question. ‐ 4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @JaneanC: @LitChat where would Finn fall in this discussion? H' Finn in public domain, maybe? @jonclinch #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne So, P.D. James may not have written fanfiction, but the people writing on ffnet under Pride and Prejudice are writing fanfiction. #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @JonClinch, Are you available for #litchat today? Fan fiction discussion. Does Finn count? #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @maggiedana on his sword probably... #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I think a lot of people like to write fanfic because fandoms have established followings. They get "requests" and feel important. #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC Is there an exception for classics? Thinking about Wicked specifically? #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre I can't help but find it somewhat amusing that James's work is fanfict of something deriviative in the 1st place. #litchat ‐4:24 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne My fabulous students in #Engl5960 had a lot of good stuff to say about all this. http://t.co/MwGdMB3G #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @tracyleacarnes Actually, there are only 2 plots: "A man goes on a journey"; "a stranger comes to town." #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @jasonboog I'd argue they are new character names, not new characters #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill there is a cult element to it. Devotees, Conventions etc #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 8 www.litchat.net LitChat In his @NPRBooks piece regarding 50 SHADES, @JasonBoog asserts, "Does the book owe more than just character names to Twilight?" #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @maggiedana #litchat I don't believe parody is the criteria for most fanfic. It's a free‐for‐all, but they're not selling it. Hm. Pun. ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LitChat I never had a good answer for a question my gmother asked me when she found out fanfic existed,why do it if can't sell it? #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat @LaurenBaratzL called this re‐visioning. RT @JaneanC: Is there an exception for classics? Thinking about Wicked specifically? #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Trundlebedtales devotion to the show I guess #litchat ‐4:25 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre Much fanfic covers aspects of chars that didn't interest the author in original work #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Remember the mantra: THERE ARE ONLY 7 STORIES OUT THERE. Take your pick and run with it! #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @maggiedana meh stories schmorries. It's about character & emotion #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I went to see 'The Lorax' film (amazing) the other day and it expanded on the book. Is that fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LitChat Then I heard an author say, I write fanfic because I enjoy writing and playing with characters. Best answer I've heard. #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @Trundlebedtales: ...re fan fic... why do it if cant sell it? #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @LaurenBaratzL You skipped one: A woman buys a pair of shoes... #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne What we now think of as "fanfiction" was just standard writerly practice before copyright. Originality as we know it 18th C idea #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @Trundlebedtales Isn't fanfic really a labour of love? #litchat ‐4:26 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @Trundlebedtales #litchat Same here. But some writers are just too afraid of real publishing. So maybe fanfic suffices. ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock copyright/plagiarism/fanfic issues settle in courts, not chats #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Hi everyone. I'm really late. I was on a conference call. #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @LitChat Call it what you like the literary world in question is the intellectual property of another. #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Brainmaker @robynmcintyre #litchat In that sense it could be fascinating ‐‐ to see where readers wanted the character extended. ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Lynn_Shepherd @LitChat Sometimes great books are born of great books ‐ look at the Odyssey and Joyce's Ulysses #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JulieBritt What about "A guy walks into a bar?" #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JulieBritt *snort* Actually, I think that could qualify as either of the two I named! #litchat ‐4:27 PM Mar 19th, 2012 HeatherLReid RT @Georgia_McBride: great topic “@LitChat: Let's have some introductions. Tell us whether you read or write fan fiction. #litchat” ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker We waited! #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 VanessaAnnex3 RT @LaurenBaratzL: Is there a difference between fan fiction and re‐visioning? #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 9 www.litchat.net cyndyaleo @Brainmaker some writers never get published. It's easier to get to an audience with fanfic #litchat ‐ 4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @LitChat what is the destination between re ‐visioning and fan fic? #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @robynmcintyre Wearing a pair of Jimmy Choos? #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Doesnt that suggest something unfair about FF? @prof_anne #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL FINN is an homage, a re‐visioning, and a spinoff. #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker I don't get fan fiction at all. But it's all over Google Plus #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @robynmcintyre Right. If you are going to do it, at least do it brilliantly! #James #LitChat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana In this day of litigation, I'm amazed fan‐fiction survives lawsuits. Who draws the line between fandom and plagiarism? #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I discuss how 50 Shades relates to Twilight and Meyer's draft Midnigh Sun, here, http://t.co/NdOMwvv2 , it also draws on fanfiction #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo RT @JaneanC: @LitChat Call it what you like the literary world in question is the intellectual property of another. #litchat ‐4:28 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Right. That's why there are no tweets. RT @LaurenBaratzL: @wordwhacker We waited! #litchat ‐ 4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SuperKannen @Cinnamon_Quill That's where my concern lies:USING a fan base to bolster sales & publicize via word of mouth. It changes the game. #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JulieBritt Pliner #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @litchat make that distinction. #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 NessEbony RT @prof_anne: My fabulous students in #Engl5960 had a lot of good stuff to say about all this. http://t.co/MwGdMB3G #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 sarah_reidy Ooo, interesting. RT @tayari: Would you consider a novel like Wide Sargasso Sea to be fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe #litchat fanfic maybe just an inevitability of total access to writing online & self‐pubbing.How diff is it 2 urge to blog about music/films ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Wide Sargasso Sea was in a way fan fiction, and that won literary prizes. #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Every time you sing Happy Birthday you ought, legally, to be paying royalties to original composer. This song is not in public dom. #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @maggiedana Fanfiction doesn't get litigated because (until now) there hasn't been profit/damages. #litchat ‐4:29 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @wordwhacker We were just practicing. #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell Actually there is only one plot. "Someone tries to solve a problem." #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre Probably fanfic always existed; just no way to share it beyond a small circle before internet. #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell or you can reject all plot! #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne It may be that Twilight's non‐sparkly non‐vampire character traits so generic, they cannot be anyone's intellectual property #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 10 www.litchat.net GLHancock writing FF sounds less homage than lack of creativity or else laziness #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JaneanC I think in fanfic, you're using known chars and giving them new adventures. 1/2 #litchat ‐4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @maggiedana Many Christmas songs aren't in the public domain, either, like Rudolph #litchat ‐ 4:30 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @maggiedana This is why you should always celebrate someone's birthday through interpretive dance. #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat In light of big money made by author grasping story arc and fanbase of another author, should there be laws against it? #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe RT @GLHancock: writing FF sounds less homage than lack of creativity or else laziness #litchat /ho ho, fighting talk ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @LaurenBaratzL how is that different from fan fic? #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 @cyndyaleo @Brainmaker I'd bet it's just as hard to get your fan fiction read as anything else. Lots of writers doing it. #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Happy Birthday isn't in the public domain, either. #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 CarolBuchananMT RT @GLHancock: writing FF sounds less homage than lack of creativity or else laziness #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LD_Robwell Don't agree. Many post modern novels don't concern "solving" a problem. #litchat ‐ 4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @SarahNego in my case, good luck to them. Someone did that to me on a peer review site. He changed virtually nothing #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LitChat There is a lot of bad fanfic out there. Some just poorly written some kind of perverted.Almost all falls short of original #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ixtumea RT @Georgia_McBride: great topic “@LitChat: Let's have some introductions. Tell us whether you read or write fan fiction. #litchat” ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @LaurenBaratzL that makes sense. #litchat ‐4:31 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @maggiedana Neither is Knick Knack Paddywack and that stupid purple lizard paid big time for that #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JaneanC In re‐v you're re‐telling story in a new way or listening to silence/telling a part of the story that hasn't been told.2/2 #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG RT @robynmcintyre: Probably fanfic always existed; just no way to share it beyond a small circle before internet. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @Cinnamon_Quill: @maggiedana This is why you should always celebrate someones birthday through interpretive dance. /LOL #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Trundlebedtales true of any self‐pubbed fiction as well #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @prof_anne: Happy Birthday isn't in the public domain, either. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @Cinnamon_Quill: @maggiedana This is why you should always celebrate someone's birthday through interpretive dance. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LibrarianMarian @LitChat But when stated like that, it doesn't actually sound that bad. Fan bases cross all the time, story arcs are retold. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @Cinnamon_Quill: @maggiedana This is why you should always celebrate someone's birthday through interpretive dance. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 11 www.litchat.net NessEbony RT @prof_anne: @maggiedana Fanfiction doesn't get litigated because (until now) there hasn't been profit/damages. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo RT @LitChat: In light of big $$ made by author grasping story arc and fanbase of another author, should there be laws against it? #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @CarolBuchananMT Minus the publishing it seems like it could be a fun writing prompt. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JaneanC Thank you! #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @maggiedana: @21stCscribe Good point. Before web/internet, fan‐fic writers with only typewriters had no outlet. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @CarolBuchananMT Couldn't disagree with @GLHancock more. Some writers are like that, but most are not #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Whenever I go to the movies, I always know how it will end. I say, "I've read Shakespeare and the Bible." It's all there. #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @maggiedana I already do. It's my twin boys' birthday today and I donned my tutu #litchat ‐4:32 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes I've never written fanfic because my family makes it easy for me to have plots for many books to come. I refer to it as FRICTION! #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker lol RT @Cinnamon_Quill: @maggiedana This is why you should always celebrate someones birthday through interpretive dance. /LOL #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @wordwhacker I don't read much post modern stuff but there is still a problem, somewhere, that someone is trying to solve. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 @SarahNego Total violation, surely. #LitChat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL Classic example of re‐visioning is Jane Smiley's A Thousand Acres, takes King Lear and sets it on farn in mid‐1970s. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock @prof_anne what do you est probability of litigation? #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell not in my case #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @JaneanC Who needs writing prompts except in a class. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @21stCscribe: @maggiedana I already do. Its my twin boys birthday today and I donned my tutu // A YouTube moment? #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell Most of the bibles stories were stolen from other mythos too. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @21stCscribe pic please #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Look at all the stories which incorporate fairy tales, plenty of which were word‐of‐mouth to start, with unknown origins. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 PaigeCWilley @prof_anne I also wonder about fiction that borrows heavily from other works, where only character names and settings are changed. #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 RT @SarahNego: As a writer, how would you feel about someone taking your character in a direction you never intended? #litchat ‐4:33 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne TWCS knew what 50 Shades was, and they have lawyers. Presumably they feel certain there's no case. #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @21stCscribe That's certainly true. Lots of stuff that is offered 2 library I work for self‐pubbed just screams "I NEED AN EDITOR" #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @wordwhacker Whenever I go to movies, I always know how it will end. I say,"I've read Shakespeare and the Bible."It's all there. #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 12 www.litchat.net wordwhacker @LaurenBaratzL Yes, and John Updike's Gertrude and Claudius. Should we consider those fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana I feel sorry for fan‐fic writers. Remind me of lonely souls in a garret with only a computer and a cat for company. #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @wordwhacker Some writers use prompts to warm up, get new ideas, break a block, etc. #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL My recent ebook, Z: A Novel, is a contemp re‐visioning of The Great Gatsby that also happens to be an adventure, romance and comedy #litchat ‐4:34 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @Cinnamon_Quill There's two tv shows built off of fairy tales currently. #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker What about that young woman who essentially plagiarized a novel and claimed it was like "covering" a song? #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 NessEbony RT @prof_anne: TWCS knew what 50 Shades was, and they have lawyers. Presumably they feel certain there's no case. #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @GLHancock I AM NOT A LAWYER but I doubt case could be made on textual grounds alone. But there are other kinds of infringement #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @wordwhacker There's an element of HS in fanfic writing prompts, but there's also stretching your creativity & support frm friends #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @maggiedana *eyes computer and cat* wot. #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @JulieBritt Oh, I guess so. Then that's a good idea. #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SarahNego @wordwhacker @JaneanC I use writing prompts on a regular basis to force me to write in new ways. #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt Do you think there's an ethical difference b/t fan fic from works in public domain to current work, like Twilight? #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @maggiedana there's more community in fanfic than OF. I resemble your remark more now than when I wrote fic #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @wordwhacker ME!! Have you never been in a funk or had a full on lock?! #litchat ‐4:35 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I doubt the YA franchise Twilight wants to sue BDSM book for being "too close" to YA original. And dodgy case on those grounds #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @maggiedana @wordwhacker I was being metaphorical :‐) #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Everyone @LaurenBaratzL's Z: A Novel, is a is a contemp re‐visioning of The Great Gatsby #litchat ‐ 4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @JaneanC I recently read 'Cloaked' by Alex Flinn. It incorporates 6/7 fairy tales, most of which I was unfamiliar with. #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @JulieBritt: Do you think theres an ethical difference b/t fan fic from works in public domain to current work, like Twilight? #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 In short, every story under the sun has been re‐written 1000 times across the centuries #litchat ‐ 4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @LaurenBaratzL Do you think of Z as fan‐fic? I'd view it as something far more substantial, knowing your fab. writing skills. #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jasonboog Thousands of free fan fiction stories here: http://t.co/Qyvwbydt Could some be rewritten as straight fiction w/ new characters? #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 13 www.litchat.net robynmcintyre I've found that many fanfic writers are incredibly shy and insecure about their abilities, though some are at professional levels. #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @JulieBritt absolutely #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SuperKannen I find everything but certain character aspects unrecognizable when juxtaposed with the original fic‐ ‐certainly not the story arc. #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @JaneanC @wordwhacker Writing prompts are things you dangle in front of writers and watch them dance. True story. #litchat ‐4:36 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @SarahNego That's interesting. I guess maybe I do that. I rewrite a lot. I love the undo/redo buttons. And delete. #litchat ‐4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 What about stereotypical characters? Surely, there was an original somewhere, probably an aunt or uncle... #litchat ‐4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Can I just point out that every single on of the Twilight novels is based on another work of fiction? #litchat ‐4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @Cinnamon_Quill Sounds intriguing. I currently have Finn in a bag next to me. #litchat ‐4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @jasonboog:1000s of free fanfic stories here: http://t.co/yCQpYtIL Could some be rewritten as straight fiction w/new characters? #litchat ‐4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @jasonboog you'd have to rewrite relationships and character traits. Might as well start fresh #litchat ‐ 4:37 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy @wordwhacker To cover a song professionally royalties must be paid. #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @robynmcintyre many fan writers cite fanfiction experience, and *community* as being central to building confidence and skill #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @maggiedana I consider it a re‐visioning, not fanfic. I mean, Gtasby as Zorro? #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon RT @robynmcintyre: Probably fanfic always existed; just no way to share it beyond a small circle before internet. #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @mvw888 A cliche is just an original idea that has been overused to exhaustion. #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LitChat: If fan fiction is so good, why aren't the writers trying to get it published for realz? Bc they're shy? #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Which ones?RT @Cinnamon_Quill:Can I just point out that every single on of the Twilight novels is based on another work of fiction? #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock @robynmcintyre at least you didn't call me nasty name! Thanks for civil disagreement #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @prof_anne I think the emphasis is more on 'fan' than 'fiction writer' #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Writing a novel is a very lonely thing‐‐even with a writing group. Fanfiction community gives feedback, excitement, interaction. #litchat ‐4:38 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @ReadingEcstasy Right. That young woman lost her case, I think. #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @Cinnamon_Quill That was my point about Shades of Grey being rather ironic #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @LaurenBaratzL I'm all over re‐visioning. #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @LaurenBaratzL Have you read Double Bind? #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 14 www.litchat.net robynmcintyre @prof_anne Exactly. I would be honored that ppl loved my universe/chars so much. #litchat ‐ 4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Look, Alex Haley's Roots is plagiarized from another book. It was taken to court and he lost. #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @GLHancock If anyne calls you a nasty name, I will kneecap them. #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana Has anyone here read Shades of Gray? #litchat ‐4:39 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JulieBritt No, who is it by? #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @21stCscribe: @prof_anne I think the emphasis is more on fan than fiction writer #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @LitChat Pride and Prejudice, Romeo and Juliet, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Wuthering Heights... #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @prof_anne That sounds right. I think people do fan fiction because of the community. #litchat ‐ 4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Sounds like a great time‐wasting device! @prof_anne #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @maggiedana: Has anyone here read Shades of Gray? #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill RT @robynmcintyre: @Cinnamon_Quill That was my point about Shades of Grey being rather ironic #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @maggiedana in its fic form yes #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @LaurenBaratzL Bohjalian #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @prof_anne And I don't know if that fan community thing is good or sad. #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL Scott Smith's marvelous A Simple Plan, which was made into a film, was a contemp retelling of MacBeth. #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @GLHancock No reason for namecalling ‐ you weren't uncivil, either. #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @wordwhacker Most fan fiction is about indulgence, rather than story craft. #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @LaurenBaratzL: @GLHancock If anyne calls you a nasty name, I will kneecap them. // And I will slog them with a wet lettuce. #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock @LaurenBaratzL ...so sweet you are! #litchat ‐4:40 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe Russell Crowe has fan fiction devoted to him can only lead me to conclusion that there's a psycho‐ sexual element? ;‐) #litchat ‐4:41 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker I agree. RT @LitChat: RT @21stCscribe: @prof_anne I think the emphasis is more on fan than fiction writer #litchat ‐4:41 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @wordwhacker: @prof_anne That sounds right. I think people do fan fiction because of the community. #litchat ‐4:41 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @LaurenBaratzL Double Bind includes Gatsby characters. (Can't say more. Beware spoilers.) #litchat ‐ 4:41 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Not into BDSM! @maggiedana #litchat ‐4:41 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill really? I would have thought it was about recognition, recognising the touchstone things of the cult #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @robynmcintyre And if anyone calls you nasty names, I will also kneecap them. #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 15 www.litchat.net maggiedana @21stCscribe R. Crowe is an actor. Did he also write a book that got fan‐fictioned? #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JulieBritt Ah, thank you. #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mandyherbet ?Is FF more of a problem if the original author is still alive/work is current? #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Ty, my sweet! @robynmcintyre #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LaurenBaratzL No kneecapping @robynmcintyre, please. #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012

21stCscribe @maggiedana no his film personnas get fanfic treatment #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012

JaneanC @21stCscribe doesn't it seem a lot of fan fic has that element? :) #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 BlueShoes55 Twilight based on other fiction, now spawning it's own fan fiction: obviously a winning formula1 #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @Trundlebedtales Most of them will probably never have the nerve to submit their own work professionally. #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @GLHancock: Not into BDSM! @maggiedana // I get the SM bit, but what does the BD stand for? Color me clueless. #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @JaneanC I'd say so, but had to couch it carefully #litchat ‐4:42 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @mandyherbet: ?Is FF more of a problem if the original author is still alive/work is current? #litchat ‐ 4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @21stCscribe Perhaps, but a lot of people write fanfiction primarily for themselves. #litchat ‐ 4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL The Gold Coast, by Nelson DeMille, was also a contemp Great Gatsby only his misunderstood Gatsby figure was a Mafia don. #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana @21stCscribe Which means people are that desperate for entertainment? Sigh ... #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @21stCscribe That's why I think there's something a little creepy about fan fiction. Kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @LaurenBaratzL Thanks! #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @maggiedana not needed, the fan fic I've been exposed to is based on real live people artists/celebrities/musicians. 1/2 #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Can you imagine all this going on based on HARRY POTTER??? #litchat ‐4:43 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker I'm an E.O.E. kneecapper. #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LitChat What about Wide Sargasso Sea? Could that have been written if Bronte were alive? #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe instead of reading Mills & Boon romance of nurses & WW2 wounded men, now you can write about your Russell Crowe fantasies as art! #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 I think I like the idea of fan fiction if it's more of a parody, a humorous take. Not sure why. #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC @maggiedana how that doesn't fall under liable is beyond me. 2/2 #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @wordwhacker agree with the creepiness. #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 16 www.litchat.net maggiedana RT @wordwhacker: Thats why I think theres something a little creepy about fan fiction. Kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. // YES #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @mandyherbet Marion Zimmer Bradley worked w/ her fan fic people & so does @jLichtenberg #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill I thought we were saying community element is important? #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat There are 1000s of HP fanfic stories. RT @GLHancock: Can you imagine all this going on based on HARRY POTTER??? #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 moijojojo Wow, there's some seriously ::squickface:: comments about fanfic & fanfic writers going on in the #litchat ‐4:44 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock "@CarolBuchananMT: @GLHancock Or perhaps lack of imagination coupled with laziness. Easier to rip off than have a vision." #litchat ‐4:45 PM Mar 19th, 2012 SarahNego @LitChat @mandyherbet I think so. No one seems to be in uproar over Pride and Prejudice and Zombies #litchat (now with #) ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mandyherbet JK Rowling uses her lawyers all the time. MT @LitChat: There are 1000s of Harry Potter fanfic stories. #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @21stCscribe There are some who feel they NEED to write for others to the point that they are on a schedule but a lot don't. #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @SarahNego I was ticked off about it and I'm not even an Austen fan #litchat # ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @SarahNego There's no copyright for Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. I think it's brilliant. Didn't think of it as fanfic tho. #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @mvw888 @brainmaker there are no gatekeepers and a buil‐in audience. I had 1000s of readers but can't find agent for OF #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana OK, you're an author and a fan‐fic writer takes your characters in directions that don't fit your vision. Then what? #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL Hey, if anyone ever vwrites fan fic based on any of my novels, I'll feel I've finally arrived. #litchat ‐ 4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy @maggiedana @GLHancock bondage domination #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill then maybe they are just playing out their own fantasies? #litchat ‐4:46 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt Careful. I think Puzo copyrighted kneecapping. #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @maggiedana: OK, youre an author and a fan‐fic writer takes your characters in directions that dont fit your vision. Then what? #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @maggiedana then you yell at them online! Actually, that's probably not a good idea. You probably just ignore them. #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LitChat I would always stake my writing ability over theirs to reclaim my character #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Understood author hell on broomstick defending copyright t. @LitChat #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @ReadingEcstasy: @maggiedana @GLHancock bondage domination // Thank you. Sounds like more bad stuff against women. #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @maggiedana Me, I wouldn't care because they can't change what I have published. #litchat ‐4:47 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 17 www.litchat.net Cinnamon_Quill @21stCscribe A lot of fan fiction is self‐insertion into stories readers love. #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @maggiedana Just don't turn The Sisters 8 into axe murderesses. #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jcafesin ! ; ) RT @LaurenBaratzL: Hey, if anyone ever vwrites fan fic based on any of my novels, Ill feel Ive finally arrived. #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @Cinnamon_Quill Phantasy then... #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes “@maggiedana: you're an author, fan‐fic writer takes characters in directions that don't fit your vision. Then what? #litchat” lawyer‐up! ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 cyndyaleo @moijojojo yes. I have no friends other than my cat apparently #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @maggiedana An artist holds a copyright to a painting, but can't control hwo others interpret it #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReneeRosen1 Ha! RT JulieBritt Careful. I think Puzo copyrighted kneecapping. #litchat ‐ #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL RT @wordwhacker: @maggiedana Me, I wouldnt care because they cant change what I have published. #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell Are movies that don't follow the plots of their source material Fan Fiction? #litchat ‐4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @Cinnamon_Quill: @21stCscribe A lot of fan fiction is self‐insertion into stories readers love. #litchat ‐ 4:48 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Actually, FF is a great compliment to the author, as long as they don't try to publish. #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 mvw888 @LaurenBaratzL I was just going to say that, or something similar.. Please, fan fiction my novel! #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @LitChat A fanfic writer can write a character to be almost unrecognizable but they can't actually CHANGE the character. #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jessicawiener GREAT question. I think yes. Fan fiction can be literary. MT @tayari: Would you consider Wide Sargasso Sea to be fan fiction? #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JanetNorCal "@maggiedana: Remember the mantra: THERE ARE ONLY 7 STORIES OUT THERE. Take your pick and run with it! #litchat" Read that: a "grey" area? ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell Apocalypse Now & Conrad's "Heart Of Darkness" ! #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Yeah. RT @LaurenBaratzL: Hey, if anyone ever vwrites fan fic based on any of my novels, Ill feel Ive finally arrived. #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL I don't care if others write fan fic of my stuff that isn't something I'd write. #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jcafesin @LitChat You laugh if off. On the shoulders of giants we all stand, or fall. Fan fic is a compliment. Lauren said, you've arrived. #litchat ‐4:49 PM Mar 19th, 2012 maggiedana RT @LaurenBaratzL: @maggiedana Just dont turn The Sisters 8 into axe murderesses. // Wouldn't dream of it, but can you stop others? #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL Also, anyone who wants to make films of my books? I'm not picky about what they do. #litchat ‐ 4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes “@wordwhacker: Actually, FF is a great compliment to the author, as long as they don't try to publish. #litchat”// I'll buy that. ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 18 www.litchat.net JaneanC @wordwhacker It certainly suggests a reader has invested in the characters or story. #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker I would love fan fiction. Shows people are reading (until they just start reading each other). #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @wordwhacker @LaurenBratzL ‐ I feel the same way #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LD_Robwell I'd say the latest version of Star Trek is fanfic, wrote a review about it. http://t.co/mMTd8Ggu #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Many copyright holders are viscious in defense. I'm one of them! #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012

LD_Robwell @21stCscribe I meant more like Watchmen, but that'll work too. #litchat ‐4:50 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL I'm always too busy writing the next book and moving forward to worry about what's creatively behind me. #litchat ‐4:51 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt Do literary writers have more problems with fanfic boundaries than genre writers? #litchat ‐4:51 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell rare instance of film being better than the book it's based on #ApocalypseNow It was very literary for a movie #litchat ‐4:51 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @maggiedana Nope. #litchat ‐4:51 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @GLHancock It's increasingly tough to earn $ as a writer. I think we have to guard our IP. #litchat ‐4:51 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @JulieBritt I would have thought they'd be more likely to be completely untouched by fanfic #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat How does ethics play in the case of 50 SHADES OF GREY, which began as fan fiction, then sold for 7‐figure deal? #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker I just would hope ff writers would understand that I wouldn't want them to friend me on FB. #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy @maggiedana @GLHancock Misconception. M/M, F/F, F/M, M/F. Though, predators of both genders sometimes prey on subs. #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @moijojojo: Wow, there's some seriously ::squickface:: comments about fanfic & fanfic writers going on in the #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 julichilliard RT @LitChat: How does ethics play in the case of 50 SHADES OF GREY, which began as fan fiction, then sold for 7‐figure deal? #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @JulieBritt Interesting question. Most fan fiction seems to be about zombies and vampires. #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @21stCscribe Heart of Darkness was fantastic. So was Apocalypse Now. I don't know if I'd say one is better than the other, though. #litchat ‐4:52 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @JulieBritt I'd actually think they're less susceptible to being fan‐ficced. Are there hige Jonathan Franzen ff sites out there? #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell Just my opinion #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock RT @JulieBritt: @GLHancock Its increasingly tough to earn $ as a writer. I think we have to guard our IP. #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LaurenBaratzL hope so. That would send him into a rage #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @mvw888: I think I like the idea of fan fiction if it's more of a parody, a humorous take. Not sure why. #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 19 www.litchat.net ReadingEcstasy @maggiedana Can be flattery that they were inspired as long as they do not profit from it without permission & giving credit. #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG Havent some folk claimed JK Rowling owes more than she admits to people like Ursula Le Guin? ethics comes into all genres @LitChat #litchat ‐4:53 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker Well, and then there's the woman who slammed one of my books...and then sent me a friend request! #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LitChat I think Shades of Grey crossed the line. Having fun is one thing. Making money off someone else is another. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 CarolBuchananMT RT @GLHancock: RT @JulieBritt: @GLHancock Its increasingly tough to earn $ as a writer. I think we have to guard our IP. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes @wordwhacker agree. I have a few fans that associate themselves with my characters and they write long fan emails. Creepy. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I find a lot of fanfiction more interesting than mainstream fiction *because* of lack of novelistic structure. Anything can happen #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @21stCscribe I think it goes to the time period. You can't read it with a modern mind set. #litchat ‐ 4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @21stCscribe Someone once put him and me into the same long comic strip. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales @LitChat Actually every1 might be interested in this‐explains the multiverse concept inherent in some fanfic #litchat http://t.co/mMTd8Ggu ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @LaurenBaratzL I agree. Who'd want to fanfic Kilgore Trout? #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Trundlebedtales RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐4:54 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, its no longer completely yours ‐ thats what I think. #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @robynmcintyre But reading and writing it, and making money off of it, are two different things. Or three. I lost count. #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @Notorious_QRG well, I think that probably she didn't owe that much. And I think LeGuin is great, but JK Rowling isn't #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LaurenBaratzL I hope you used comic ultra‐violence upon him POW! KERSPLATT! BLAMMO! #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I study narrative, and I know so many of the tricks, it's hard to surprise me. Fic often does, even w/set structures, characters #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @robynmcintyre *snort* #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg RT @LitChat: RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, its no longer completely yours ‐ thats what I think. #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @LD_Robwell oh well, that's me screwed from reading all Classics then... #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Notorious_QRG @wordwhacker well me too on that score. #litchat ‐4:55 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @robynmcintyre @LaurenBaratzL I'm going to start fan fic Trollope's Palliser novels. #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 20 www.litchat.net Cinnamon_Quill Until today I had no idea that 50 Shades of Grey was a Twilight fic. I only knew some people found it amazing, others horrific. #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Many agents/pubs also *want* derivative works. A "high concept" pitch is "Twilight" meets "Saw" or whatever. That's publishing #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 moijojojo I wonder if all the published writers holding forth on what weirdos fic writers must be have any clue of how they sound. #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JulieBritt Don't disagree. But some authors have made $ overseeing and directing the work of fanfic authors in their universe #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Phlambler RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @LaurenBaratzL LOL Bad rudeness #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @21stCscribe I believe I did win. #litchat ‐4:56 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Then I'm going to fan fic Tinker Tailor and Smiley's People. #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker Knock yourself out, Tootsie. #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg @prof_anne #litchat As a fanfic writer, (Kraith, Star Trek) & primary author Star Trek Lives! (Bantam), I think it's payload not structure ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JaneanC You guys are FAN‐tastic! Gotta go. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @wordwhacker Good luck with that. #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe RT @LaurenBaratzL: @21stCscribe I believe I did win. #litchat / #FranzenkillerFriend4Life ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I also enjoyed reading the interactions with readers. Wish my students all took writing and reading as seriously as fic authors #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt @moijojojo What do you write? #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock 1prob is readers misremembering who wrote unsavory bits...as author wd u want that? #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JLichtenberg You have fanfic about your work, what do you think about it? #litchat ‐4:57 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Greek gods. They're being fan‐fic'd ALL the time. *points to self* Guilty party, yo. #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @moijojojo Do you mean that people are incorrect that they think FF isn't good literature? #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @JLichtenberg wait, what's the it? (sorry, referent sometimes gets lost #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @robynmcintyre: @JLichtenberg You have fanfic about your work, what do you think about it? #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @wordwhacker You're killin' me. #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐4:58 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon Good background on fanfic by @jasonboog: http://t.co/DZTGRykE. [1/2] #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JaneanC Ow. #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg @glhancock #litchat I don't find that a problem. Fans seem able to keep alternate universes straight ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 21 www.litchat.net wordwhacker @Cinnamon_Quill I think Greek Gods are fair game for any literature. #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @Cinnamon_Quill That's not really fan fic, though. I use mythology a lot. I don't steal from the originals though. #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne DO EET RT @wordwhacker: @robynmcintyre @LaurenBaratzL I'm going to start fan fic Trollope's Palliser novels. #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 jasonboog A '50 Shades' fan was "disappointed at lack of erotic description" in Twilight. Should fan fiction add it? http://t.co/mATQ7AFU #litchat ‐4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg RT @prof_anne: @JLichtenberg wait, what's the it? (sorry, referent sometimes gets lost #litchat ‐ 4:59 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon But if author fan bases are so easily exploited, why aren't 1000s of writers selling like E. L. James? [2/2] #litchat ‐5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker OK, but would you still say that if we were talking about *Roman* gods? #litchat ‐ 5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock dogs & cats living together!!! #litchat ‐5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ebonstorm RT @JLichtenberg: @glhancock #litchat I don't find that a problem. Fans seem able to keep alternate universes straight ‐5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @wordwhacker We'll see when we all owe Hades and Zeus for copyright infringement. #litchat ‐ 5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I would never have picked up Twilight if I hadn't been interested in the fanfiction. I though the (good) fanfiction was better #litchat ‐5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LaurenBaratzL And then I'll fan fic you! Or just come to visit and drink a bottle of wine. #litchat ‐ 5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @wordwhacker why, through age? Through authors not being able to sue? Through being dubbed archetype? #litchat ‐5:00 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @prof_anne if only the good fan ficers had the idea first then. They could ahve made Meyer's money? #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @jasonboog A '50 Shades' fan "disappointed at lack of erotic description" in Twilight. Should ff add it? http://t.co/qnrAsdYq #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill @LaurenBaratzL Roman gods are just like 50 Shades of Grey. They changed the names. The end. #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL I hope people don't mind, but here's the Gatsby re‐visioning I mentioned earlier: http://t.co/b2EEyKaS #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @prof_anne I would much rather read Trollop and write my own characters, but thanks. #litchat ‐ 5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JamiGold @robynmcintyre Not being completely yours (sharing) is different than not being yours and others exploiting for their own gain. #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @21stCscribe Ooops what did I say? #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker Perfect! #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell Any mythology is completely open to new stories. Neil Gaiman's American Gods / Anansi Boys / Sandman are not "fan fics". #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock @jasonboog exactly what I mean ‐ wd orig author want that association? #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @GLHancock Massteria! (Ghost Busters FTW!) #litchat ‐5:01 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @Cinnamon_Quill HA! #litchat ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 22 www.litchat.net 21stCscribe @wordwhacker greek gods were fair game to modern writers! #litchat ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 AKOTAS @wordwhacker #LitChat I read an article just this morning re research showing when you do something you love for reward you stop loving it. ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JamiGold Again, not disagreeing. The difference will always be 'who profits'? and in what way. #litchat ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe if you allow that any1 can have access to writing in public, then they can write anything they want, subject to laws of land #litchat ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JadaPattinson RT @prof_anne:I find a lot of ff more interesting than mainstream fiction *bc* of lack of novelistic structure. Anything can happen #litchat ‐5:02 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg @21stcscribe #litchat doubt Myer's succe$$ is just content. Marketing is the biggest part. Other published work like hers didn't soar ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Are fair game, and diff from fanfic RT @21stCscribe: @wordwhacker greek gods were fair game to modern writers! #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill "Good writers borrow, great writers steal." Even this quote is stolen. It's debated as to where it originated. #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon RT @21stCscribe: @maggiedana meh stories schmorries. It's about character & emotion #litchat ‐ 5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe @JLichtenberg agree #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Brilliant and spirited discussion today. Continue convo as you wish, but do remember we'll be back on Weds for HOMING INSTINCTS. #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne @wordwhacker I'm a Victorianist and I can't manage Trollope. Trollop, though, I'd give her a read #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 CarolBuchananMT @JaneanC Trouble is, once it's on the Internet it's published. Writing prompts are OK if private. Otherwise could be plagiarism. #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @AKOTAS I write for a living and I have not stopped loving it. If anything, as I age, I love it more. #litchat ‐5:03 PM Mar 19th, 2012 21stCscribe thanks #litchat gotta go make dinner for son now. Thanks for enlightening me on what fanfic is ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock RT @JamiGold: e not being completely yours (sharing) is different than not being yours and others exploiting for their own gain. #litchat ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon RT @21stCscribe: I'm completely indifferent to fanfic, but to question whether it's ethical or not seems to me to go too far #litchat Unless direct reproduct ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 TwistedJamie I agree. RT @robynmcintyre Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL @LitChat So guest author day is Wed this week instead of Fri? #litchat ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg @akotas @wordwhacker #litchat I know many who made professions out of hobbies who then hated what they'd loved. Not me! I still LOVE writing ‐5:04 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg RT @Cinnamon_Quill: "Good writers borrow, great writers steal." Even this quote is stolen. It's debated as to where it originated. #litchat ‐5:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LaurenBaratzL What a fun discussion today! Big thanks to all! #litchat ‐5:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne Twilight fanfiction teaches us that there is a huge market for long, complex character‐ and emotion‐ driven stories #litchat ‐5:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 23 www.litchat.net TwistedJamie @DuffMcKagan Alright Duff? Didn't think I would see you on #litchat. Is your book an autobiography? ‐5:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat HOMING INSTINCTS is topic for Weds. Fri is @MyfanwyCollins. RT @LaurenBaratzL: So guest author day is Wed this week instead of Fri? #litchat ‐5:05 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Me too. RT @JLichtenberg: @akotas // Not me! I still LOVE writing #litchat ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadingEcstasy Re: publishing fanfic or earning with imitation, GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE, if known. #litchat ‐ 5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock RT @CarolBuchananMT Trouble is, once on the Internet its published. Writing prompts OK if private. Otherwise could be plagiarism. #litchat ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JLichtenberg @robynmcintyre #litchat MZB actually didn't want to encourage fans to write Darkover, but saw my fans and dove in ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Friday's guest host is @MyfanwyCollins, author of novel, ECHOLOCATION. http://t.co/ojC0WNPm. #litchat ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Well I have no idea where I stand. I think I came at this topic from so many angles. Great discussion! #litchat ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @prof_anne Wait, Twilight has complex characters? #litchat ‐5:06 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat RT @prof_anne: Twilight fanfiction teaches us that there is a huge market for long, complex character‐ and emotion‐driven stories #litchat ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt RT @LitChat: Fridays guest host is @MyfanwyCollins, author of novel, ECHOLOCATION. http://t.co/bb7I6le9. #litchat ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @JLichtenberg Yes, I had heard she was reluctant at first. #litchat ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 prof_anne I wasn't talking about Twilight. I was talking about fanfiction RT @wordwhacker: @prof_anne Wait, Twilight has complex characters? #litchat ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 MissLeonardis Good evening everyone #litchat. My two pence: shouldn't a book or a story be judged for its own merit rather for where it comes from? ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock Once my work is read by others...it's still MINE! #litchat ‐5:07 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @LitChat: What's up for Wednesday? #litchat ‐5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill I'm so glad I caught #litchat today. I ALWAYS forget and this has been such a good one! #litchat ‐ 5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell RT @wordwhacker: @prof_anne Wait, Twilight has complex characters? #litchat ‐5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker @prof_anne Thanks. Do you think characters are more complex in fan fic? #litchat ‐5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @LitChat So we'll be talking about homecomings on Wed? #litchat ‐5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 MissLeonardis I mean: if a novel is terrible does it matter that it was based let's say on War&Peace? #litchat ‐ 5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 hopedellon .@prof_anne Out of ~200,000 Twilight fanfics (http://t.co/DZTGRykE), has *any* but 50 Shades of Grey found vast, paying audience? #litchat ‐5:08 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker We agree on something!!! RT @GLHancock: Once my work is read by others...its still MINE! #litchat ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 Cinnamon_Quill Now I must wander back to my main twitter, @KeriPayton and pay attention to my cat, Severus, who is grumbling at me. #litchat ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 24 www.litchat.net Myg Um? RT @moijojojo: Huh. RT @wordwhacker I just would hope ff writers would understand that I wouldn't want them to friend me on FB. #litchat ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 tracyleacarnes “@GLHancock: Once my work is read by others...it's still MINE! #litchat”// I heard that, Sister!!! Amen!! ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker I feel like I should say what Jews ask before Yom Kippur, if I have offended anyone today, please forgive me. #litchat ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @GLHancock Only in terms of points of law ‐ one can't control the thoughts of others #litchat ‐ 5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 MsDeeCM So using characters created by Homer and Hesiod is fair game, but fury on those who touch your characters? That's rich. #litchat ‐5:09 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ChrisBell85 RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker But though I'm really big on community and encourage anyone who wants to to write, I don't get fan fic. #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 JulieBritt RT @GLHancock: Once my work is read by others...its still MINE! #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadtheseLips RT @hopedellon: But if author fan bases are so easily exploited, why aren't 1000s of writers selling like E. L. James? [2/2] #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @MissLeonardis ownership seems to be an emotional subject w/ respect to writing #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 ReadtheseLips RT @robynmcintyre: Once another person has read your writing, it's no longer completely yours ‐ that's what I think. #litchat ‐5:10 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @MissLeonardis For some it overshadows the quality issue #litchat ‐5:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker Re my "not friend me on FB" comment about fan fic writers, I meant I'd be complimented, but wouldn't want to be friends. #litchat ‐5:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @MsDeeCM The difference is that Homer isn't going to read a modern novel and shake his head in disgust. #litchat ‐5:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 his_tweet Any work derived from some else's characters‐fanfic or not‐should give credit where credit is due. #litchat ‐5:11 PM Mar 19th, 2012 robynmcintyre @wordwhacker I understand fanfic ‐ it's comfort, wishful thinking, community, sharing #litchat ‐ 5:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 GLHancock @robynmcintyre I hope my words enlighten others ‐ it's meant to help and teach. #litchat ‐5:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 wordwhacker See you all on Wednesday, I hope. Does @LitChat know that we know how hard she works? #litchat ‐5:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Wednesday topic is HOMING INSTINCT http://t.co/ojC0WNPm @robynmcintyre RT @wordwhacker: @LitChat: What's up for Wednesday? #litchat ‐5:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @MsDeeCM With time, comes new understanding of culture and ideas. Writing a Glee fan fic isn't the same because it's not a new #litchat ‐5:12 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LitChat Aww. You are the ones who make it ROCK! RT @wordwhacker: .... Does @LitChat know that we know how hard she works? #litchat ‐5:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012 LD_Robwell @MsDeeCM understanding. And a modern writer writing from a classic isn't creating competition for the OG, where Fanfic of modern #litchat ‐5:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012

Topic of the Week: MediaMonday: The Ethics of Fan Fiction March 19, 2012 25 www.litchat.net LaurenBaratzL @wordwhacker I certainly hope @LitChat knows how much we love her. #litchat ‐5:14 PM Mar 19th, 2012

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