Univerait$ of Galifo~nka. BenelpaL ~ibra?y/Berkeley Regional Oultural Ef;le~toxyProject

All mcsd ef this mnubc~ipt;am czovwsd by an agrtewsnt ,batwean the Rscsnta ub &%ur Wntuerste of Ca3lfutnla md huts "*rtrPe$tt, drat& Pbetreh 4, 1957, Tht~manusc~igtis thza~ebyrnde avaiIabl+ for ~aareaurahpurp08~11. A11 litt)ra~s]~righ?~in

except that thob Librurf had granted to Mr Bartile%$fh@csxc%rx8fvarighf: to p~nblish4whg hl~ lifettae. 'bBa prarf of the reanuse~iptmy be qMtted POP publieation by myone oth& than Zauir %~&lett exeept by mItt4n gertnlrssion of tha Ltbmrirn af Gha Unfversiky of California at Berkeley Laas BartXatt, h5s f4the)~~hi^ un~la8314, indeedl hia bro%breend hi8 cousins and hlr aunts (not to aseation Us f3jlar.b wif~tarfd%y, ths 02nsys) have tall bean of th~,ahif that aWhe*r Whela" am madre of, l%aaoh(ganeratisn hresr aanCributed pabl%6-apirited ePvie and otiXWal leadera to CaliPtmnZa -- noted lawprsJ aduaato~a, a Regeat of

interview tap@-recorded in Berkeley on Marah 3, April 8, and OQtobsr 28, 1954* Loals Bar~tlettrrsaalla same of the higUigh.t;r and dxlamatio epirodee of' hirr own ezperieaae~in highep education, legal work, city politias, and water ad power devtalopnrent ln LQo~thernCalifomla over thFe@quarters of a czrmtury. Partiolpantra in 'tido sf tb reuordlng laeaeiom were -sfessor Walton Bean of the University of California Hiatory hga~tssent:and h. Robert E, fhuPk6 of the Banaxoft Libraryta Hmusaript Division, Bartlett: wae in his smly eightieo when tb inbmiew was rcsaoNeQ. AlCharrgh he elmeked over the tmertpt and retrimdl 5% ea~erf'ully, he felt that hla asemmy waa not what it aaae had been and that scum phases of tha story could be covered only IJn a fmgmentwy way. That there, were ohapbrs yet to rroons bn h2r lang, varied, and bway life was rsvfdenaed when an May L1* 1957, he in San ~anaPeecrsLna s~toff on a honeymoon uhieht RB ht~~%old

Regional. CuZ%tamZBi~tot+yhjatef Co~.ZnneL, FPlb TTnfversity aP Caf ifornfa Library, krkeley %.~ckb., 1957 ADMIt35JCOW 'F3 !BIB W3 Am %AH FRABacIScjr) CITY POLITICS

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TVA FOR CAL3PORHIA PARTIAL INDEX FAMILY A2fD EDUCATION

Bwtlett: I was born in San Francisco in 1872, and lived there until we moved to Alameda in 1884. We lived on Ell18 Street, between dough and Octtavia. It was a new street, and we faced a reeky hill- side of about four blooks, not graded nor built on until long after we left 8an fianalsao,

Gilbt You were telling me that you spoke Freneh before you spoke English. How did that come about? Bartlett: My mother was Louiee b1, born on Staten Island,

New York, in 1841, In '49 my grandfather John Me1 decided to come to California, Ee had cousins

around Bordeaux, Prrance, and his oldest Ban, Lou18 Mel, was sent there in 1850 and remained in ban08 until 1858, as his father98 correspondent, He returned to California Pn 1878. My grandfather left Hew York for California in 149 via Panama, and there he had the $Panama' fever. That laid him up for three month8 or so, and he arrived in California too late to be a California pioneer. In the beginning he kept a store in one of the abandoned sail boats that Bartlett: was stuck in the mud on the San Francisco beaeh, Quite a number of boata that came to San Francisco never went back. They were relatively small, and for a number of years houaed the stores and the homes of the pioneers. When my grandfather came to California, he sent his family to Prance where hia siaters lived. They remained there until 158 or 59, when they sailed to Califo~niafrom Bordeaux around the Horn. They lived in San Franciaoo, My mother, one of the younger members of the family, was married in '68, and ahe and my father began a family right may, Gilb: There were ten children in your family, didaft you say? Bartlett: Yea, my oldest aiste~was born in '70, and the reat

of us arrived at two ye- intervals, Gilb : What was your father's family like? Where did they come from? Baptlettt My father's ancestors came from England -- mieaed the first boat - the Mayflower -- but caught the Bartletts aecond, They arrived in Massachuaetta, and fmaa there, in the cotarse of a few generations, went north to few Rampahire. The earlierst member of the famfly I can recall was Joslah Rartlett, a signer of the Derrlaratian of Independenee. Somtimea I think he was the only man living in Bew Hampshire, beuause he was a

doctor, a lawyer, a college president, GOV~P~OF of the state, and Chief Justice. f don't bow exactly how these jobs fitted in with each othr, but apparently he was the mst important man in

Hew Hampehire during the period of the Amriaan Revolution, My direct ancestor was his brother,

Stephen, He was born and lived in Hew Hampahire. And his descendent8 went down south, taking it

in gradual ateps: my f atbr waer born in ColWha

Georgia, Itve never known whather he was named after the town or tha Diaeaverer, but Us name was Columbus Bartlett. Shortly thereafter, my

grandfather went .to Florida, At that time it wae a new country bought from Francs. And a lot sf Bartlett: get-rich-quickera went there; they had -- I was going to say, all the graces, but perhaps all the ~oughneasis mare exact -- of pioneers, He was an influential m, though, and beoame myor of

Appalaehioola, whieh waB and etfll is a little town, Gilb a Being mayor goes way baak in your family1 Bartlett: Goes way back, yea, The woods are full of Bartlett mayors, His only s%oq I remember wsla that h6 disapproved of what some of the pioneers in Florida were doing, and acquired the enmity of two men who were t~gingto ~ltealeverything in sight, These two came into his -- I was going to say his afflce, but that was juat a pioneer shack -- as all building8 were. An offiee in those clay1 was a place where you kept everything that you had, As he was warking, these men came in and announced they would take him out and hang him, "well," he safd as he pulled out a mtah and lit it, to his little keg daun here at my feet BIB gun- powderl ff you don't get out of here, I'll drop thfs match and we'll all go to hell togetherem They beat it, (Laughter) That's the only atory I Bartlett: recalled when a member of a Florida hietorital

society wrote me for data about hila h om 30 yews ago. But it sounds like a Bartlett, I would say. To catalog the mayopa in the family, Grand- father war Mayor. of Appalachic~ola, Florida; Uncle

Washington Bartlett, San Franciaao and Governor of California; brotbr Francis He Bartlett, Alameda and leter Wyeville, Californiaf Louis Bartlett, Mayor of Berkeley. Qilb: How did the Bartlstts get to California? Rartlsttt In '49, my Father's eldsat brother, Washington Bartlett, came to California via the Panama. He was quite successful and was aoon elected aounty Clerk in San Francisco.

Gilb: How did your father aome out? BartPettt My father came out later, in 1852, via Panama. His father was a pioneer living in Florida. Then hie

aons were pioneers too, and went on thefr own as

they reached 17 or 18; three came to California, two to New Orleans. Thy were all named after

famoua men: Washington Montgomery, Franklin Adarms, Bartlett: William Tell, Colurabus, His daughters were named after Southern atatea: Louisiana, Texaa, eta, My father, at 17, started early and ran a newspaper in a tiorthern Mississippi town, until hia brother Washington invbted him to wm to Sari Franclaco in 1852, I don't know mueh about hir early work, except that he waa a printer and worked on a newspaper2 he studied law, and then began praeticf ng it, and was bin13 this when I arrived on the scene, I remember ae a very small child going down to his offloe on Montgomery Street where Wells Fargo Bank now is, He married my mother In '69, when he was 36, She was his second wife. His f *st wtfe died in childbirth, having twin girls, All three died together, He married my mother In 1869, and from then on there was a child every two yea~suntil held had nine. And then, for some reaason or

another, there was a gauae for three or four yeara, when the last one was born,

Gilb t Where didcyou come in? Bartlete: I was the second, I had an oldw sister, My father was a good and rsu6oesaful laruyer, He

didn't make any fortune, but he managed to keep

ua all going, until he got toward 70, when he gradually faded and died at 72. Gilb: I still wonder how yon happened to learn Frsnoh before you learned Engli sh, Bartlete: Hy mother, as a small girl, went to Franae, Xy grandmother took the family there when xny grand- father left for Califo~n2.ain 1849, She stayed there eight years, giving her children an education, and came to California in '58, As my mother went to school in Prance, French really became ae much her native tongue as Engliah, When she married my father, plhe made up her

mind that all of her children were going to mrpeak French. As my father went to his office rather early and came back rather late, she apoke and taught French to us in the daytime. Of couree,

when it got down to the youngeat children, there

was a lot more English spoken in the house, and Bmtlettt they didnft have the same chancre to learn Prenuh a8 the older ones had. However, they all epoke it. I want to tell a story about my great-great-

grandfather, whom name waa hapard Barnabe Me1 de Fontemy, He was born in 1732, died %n 1808, He was tax-gatherer for Louis XVI, with the title '~arrner-0eneral in the Province of Geronde and Receiver of Taxesu. When the Frencrh Revolution broke out, tax-gatherepa were faip game, And ppeaently he found himelf in the Chatelet pri8on in Paris, w2th a one-way ticket to the guillotine the fallowing raorning, But during the nlght (and

we've never been quite certain of how he got out or who got him out) he got away, and we next heard of him as being 6n the island of Phurltua, just north of Madagascar, in the Indim Ocean, He stpyed there about a year, We know that he died as a Captain in the British Wavy. But we have few detaile, Gilb: He must have married somewhepe along the line, Bartlett: He did, and we'll come to that. When Theodore Bartlett i RoosevelB was Prasident, he eent the flee&amund the world, jusrst to let 1% bow that; Bha Unitad States was mllftrsplly Important* And aauin* Harpy PIel, five yeapa younger khan I, wrm an board as a junioro offiucsr* When he gat to *ha i8lmd sf PIawitlu~,he wendere8 If he eon18 find any tmba of his great-granMather* Qae afternoon thrs atfioers we= a91 invltail to a reeept2on at the @overnor-bne~al*rpause, ra he put on a32 hi* regirrtsntalcl arid went, On reachlag tho fmnt door of the palacre, he was met by a great big Negm who wore more deesrationa than the enti- ke~ican fleet. big fellow took hie ear~d,owned %hs door and. boomed oats wL1eutenmt &I." So Har~y joined the line and presently raaehed the Bovarasr- Oeneral, he was being introduead he bawd thia Negro xsjordorrao calling; out, "Tba Misses h1,' H4 turned and saw two big btlx~mmilatto girl8r Fhat:*s about a 11 I kmw of that ancesta~.

GIIb 8 He wasn't in go- direet line of anaeatry, uaa he?

Baptlett: Oh yes, Be WILB qy grandfather8b grandfather. captain of' a veasel ahat ea&~i&dBrltish.e~lrainala Botany Bay in Auatrallar gmnQiabkPb~ John 'blrenembered at*-Xe told me thab when he waa a iittlr boy, he warn taken on em of Bhau vwagea. Mbn we we&@children, my mth-+rran tha

Uiaclpliaa of the family* Hy fathe* hated t9 puniah ua and very aelden did, 8hr diQn*t liks to do it, bu* we were quits and 110~4lsdit*

But aha was apmlng 81 the mdr 3 ~dmn&~brwba

I wae twirlre and-living in Alameda. @UF mXO door neighbor had-two bog8 about: %he agrr & myself and q next brotber. Their flat he^ was a lsar'bixaet, He war ro rrtriet Wmt when ha wen* oak walking with th. boya, head hare th.m heal hir a# ' ha would hare a dog, He war a tarribfa m~~%inet~ Z remambr~one of the~bboja telling he, after) a little eemes with hi8 father, that he war be= sn ?he mrsg aPde of bhe fanes1 WhSath I think ir a .ad thing for a ron to 8.7 oi hi8 iatbr, & rr( Bartlettt father and motb~drove us with a verg light rein -- very little BieeiplZne, There were as many of as we more or less dlaeiplined eaah othar, G11b t Were you readerr -- did you read at all or we- you mom tly doers? Bartlettt We all were great readerrf Qilbt Wh~taorta of khi~,simpressad you when you were a boy?

Ba~tlett8 I went to It, Ignatitui College in SmPrraneiaeo (I graduated at 16 with an A.B, , in 50871, and en, of the requirements in the English elarr was to learn

and recite a poem evesy day. That took us through a great deal of Englirh literatme, I read a great deal or poetry and, of cowne, novels, like Seott'e and Diokenr', were just eaten alias by us, I read

a good deal 18 a boy. I think every meke~of the fad17 did. 24y olde~8iater partieularlg, Sha waar a great thinker and read veq intslllgently.

Gilbt Was that a Catha110 family? Ba~tlett: 5 mother wasr a Oatholie. My father was not. Bwtlettt Before ehe married my father promi8eQ her thaC all the childran rbuld be brought up ar Catho1i6sr All of them were, but reven of them ahnnped In their mature lives, I war raised a Catfiolis, and graduated from St. Igrutiur and ~ast~k114da CathO110 wkil I was aboaS 21.: Whsn I got haak f~egamy Alaskan trip, following, in the foatrtepr sf Dwin and i rbaorbhg from bat I raw ud read in hi8 book8 (though mrrt of them were way beyond me), opened mind to a minor extent, 'Phen 9 wan* to the Univerelty of Caliiornia. Bne of my cla6snult8r war Charles Keeler. Reeler war a born nat;urlaliat, had read ar. great deal, and had gone afield, Ha felt he knew a great deal firat-hand abauk 8volution, and was interested in dls~uasl~na,He 8twtad a group that me% a$ his house every Satwday night

(!i!he Evolution Club) a He warr tre~nsCourrlyintmrtad in Darwin, Of caurae, Dam-~inwas new in those dayr, and was pathema to $he Cntholia shurah, Ws mad and disc~sed,an8 had an inte~8861ngtime, And

then, from the University, ]: got different slants Butlettt than the Catholic an a great many %Magsr Haring . been at sea and having gone through my yeair'a expsrienue in watching racientista at wo~k,f gradually oame to the canelurion that I wantad to leave the ohurch, which I did afhr I had graduatsd. 1 wao mueh interested in philosophy as tangh* by 6eorgcs H, Howirsn, Proferso~fiowiaon.

Gilbt A very great man. Bartlsttt He was an extremly fine peraon, and I knew him intimately. In faut, I was his atto~neyand hi8 wife's, after I got out of the law sebol, Howiron was a lgan who wanted to have a world of philoeophbrs, So whenever he eould 68% 8omeboQ to work along

that line, he'd help him ars mu~has porsible. And he wan verg interested in me Be had already organized and was the head of th Philosophisal Union. Every month someone read a paper om some philosophical subjeet, which was disanared by the meeting. As -on aar I graduated -- I'd calready joinad the Philoaophiaal Union whila I was in eollege -- he asked me to write a paper on the Barrtlett: gtsleolsglaal a~gumentfor the exiatenoe of Gud,*

Do you underatand t2mtY ltilb a I do. But I think weld bettap geB it into thls manuscript. Bartlettt Well, telealegioal argument ir tha a?qpamnb far the exis tenab of God from dsrign in rsatrne, I anpposa 1 read svergtNng in tb English and Frensh language at that time, avaifabla in the library here (whleh was quite conelderable). And I mad that paper. My mtbr didn't llke it. Sb hew I wa~getting away from the ~atholicc~dh, I did actnatlly and deffnikely gult the Ca$holic akwch then. ?4y brothers and aiate~a,with two exeeptione, did the earn thing in a differe& way, bn$ quietly, My oldep sister, who wan an extmmely senrltivs and kindly person, warrldntt hurt my sothb~by letting her knew that sbiP ahanged he^ views. 18b

waa a semi-invalid, although shs orgdaed am3 wag the head of the ~odonsstieScienas Deplrtmsnb in San Franeiaco publie ach6ols. She worked ha~4all Satardaya and Sdapa, ao she did net ga to ehrrroh. She didntt prop.g&idise or talk religion. My nother never knetw that she^ brad left the Catholia ahureh, Unfwtunatsly, I left with an sxplsmian. And that happsmd with two or three of $Re othe~r,ba8

not aa bad an exploaism a8 &nee

Bilb t Did you find my somotion between beirrp; a Cabholie and any'politlaal problem8 in running tor offlee? Bartlett? No. Of courae the catholic^ we~ealanniah pelitla@lly aa well as otherwire, buk they never ganged up

against me. I didnit blazon the faot that IIQ

f~iendaknew it* When I ran in San 3Pranaiaos iS uaen't used against ma, nor when 9 ran far mayor in Bs~keley,nor when 3 ran for the EhsB Bay Muni4~2gaJ. Utility Diatrict. I.mu~tsay that ths CathoZZe thurah

haa never treated me baU2y. The parieh p~isrtin Berkeley and ~e& Hall were ~Caan~hsupporter8 of many of the things I wrde~taok, Qilb t I'd like to hear a little blb mupa abotzt you^ yeare at the University, What kind of studant wed you? Were you gregarisua or did you work hard at your atudIeeP What did yon rtudy there? Bartlett t 1 war in a division calbd nCette~sand FollticlldL Scienaeu. Thia included literatme, Xanguiga~~, history, an amount of math@maties (whioh I ks@B to s minimum), physiea, clhedst~yand semi natural soience, Oh, I worked hard. I graduated numbar four In thp class, But that iantt very good, when there were only about 60 graduated, But I war a coramexzoenmnt speaker, with two others, and the nelrt year, when the Shi Beta Kappa was organized her@, I wae made one sf two, retpoactiveXy. I enjoyed nay

work veq much, I joined the Beta !h38a Pi and walllr an aative, ardmnt member of that f~at~mity.

Gilb t Thatte a aoaial fraternsty. I3artlett t Yea, that's one or the campus socia3 frate~nitler, at that time, I think, the best in acholarslsip and one ef the best in athletics. 3 didn't join any religious fraternity, Gilb t How about stndent astioitiea? Idhat so~tet~f thing8 did yon join? Bartlett: f waa interested in the college paper, tried football and fortunalaly far my appreciation of muago I was badly used up in the redo&-f~eahtenrr game, and had to give up football. My mother, to conmle me, took me to h~arAdalina Patbe# ae wo~ldtagreateat singer, on her annul farewell tour. I engoye8 her vepy mucb, For an ancore 1 erkm song The Lart Rose of ~unmnsr', whiah I: thought wars the mat beautiml thing I4d ever

ht¶sird. Theme were some ver~rdistinguished men on the University of Cal&fornla faoulty when I was a ntudent. Bean: Did you know Preeident kheelarr?

13aPtlatt t Very well; inti~tel~,I might Bay, though he wars president mny years after X g~admtted. Haraae Davis was president when I entered. f hardly knew him. he stayed only one yeaim and rerigned. X never heard anyone laud hie admintst~ation, There wa& qdte a struggle for his ruoasealon. Bernard Bbeee, who taught political raeienaa, hi8Corg and economalcar - a vary able man - war tha eandi8r$e at f-at favored by my fat he^, whs waa a Rsglblif @f the University, but there was aa am~hopporlti~n from the fasnlty that Wartin Kellogg war finally choren. He waa well liked, but warn gz!vwlng old8 he kept the peaee in the faeulty, an8 for tiha time he warn preeident I think he war well fitted, Ha war not a great prerident, but had great but quiet abarm. I knew bllogg very well, #y father waa one of the Rsgenta of the University who helped eleat him, when bass war definitely nut. He war at my father's house many times, and I was not inf'rsquently his guest.

Bean: What were your Imprelsslonrr of his prsridenay? Bartle%tr He took the preaideney as a uomproxniss candidate after considerable diaaenrion among prscsedlng preeidents and the faeulty. hllogg waa able to Bbl~tlett$ ~e801vefaationa, and that seemad to be whC war needed, He was a Latinlat, a fim scholar and gentleman, and, in my opinion war we11 fittbd for the task he war given.

Oilb P When you went to bstings, you were worHng than, weren't you? Bmtlettr Yea, when I went to bstingr, I warr Csaehlng achool at night, and waa alas working for my father in the daytine aa a clerk, So I wola really bury during that period. I had no time at all, My fat he^ was losing his health, and also his elisnts. I had to make money not only for myself, but to help my brothers and sisterr get an education, I remember reading and making eyllabi far ten volum4rs of United States Suprema Oowt Rewta for a new encyclopedia, now in present use. It war very exacting work, but I learned a lot of law at it, Peter Shield8 (JUQ~in sacramento) tells a aimilarr

story about hi8 health being damaged by reading law books, Apparently that's very taxing wa~k. BartletBt Well, it ie. If you we making syllabi, that mane you've got to understand every line that you read, and learn a lot of law. Gilb a You mentioned having gone to sea at 16. Kow dl4 that happen? Bartlettr That's a most intere~tlngget of my life, an4 I

think one of my mbst developil3g; 743aF8. In 1888 the U,S, government sent out to the coast, the tirh Colamissfon steamer "~lbatross~. Sha was dea%peQ to study the fauna and flora of the sea and make surveys of the ocean battam -- not at the share lines, but to find out the depth, eharaotsr and reeources of the ma. It was the firat vessel

the Unitea Statea maintained for suth purposear, and

waa designed specially to that end, she wall built in 1881, and Thomas A. Ediean personally mapped by hand the ship's electrie genepator. The Albatrose started from Washington to the Paeifie Coast in the early apring of 1888 and

arrived in Sm Praneisco via the Straitr of Magellan, in May. Zera L, Tanner, Lt. Ce-ndar,

U.S. Haw, a cousin of my fiathe~vs,was the Captain of the shfp. He put her in the Union Iron Worka Barblettd in San Fmntzisco for overhaul and rrgai~,getting ready for a long sea voyage to explo~ethe North Paoiiio, E$ father had him over to ow hours, in Almda a great dealj they'd been frlelrider as boys in %he eodh and were greater Friendr hem. About a month later, aftsr he had been to our hone may timea, he aaked me if I would lib to go to the Union Iron Works to look at the Albatrsrr. I'd never been on a ~teamsrother than the San Franoiaao- Oakland ferry. The sailing vessel was tb fHistrerr of the Seat st t;fib time, Them were oomparatively few teame era, 'Fbe ateamer hadntt made ltr way, and the intere~tiwthing about the Albatross was that it reflected the uncestain0y as to which was the better, the sailing boab or the atesuaer, !The Albatrose had auxiliary sailn to inc~easesff$ctivsnear, though in p~actiaeshe almat never used them, Captrain Tanner invited my younger brother Julian and me over to ree it, Ee waa moat graehua. Ee took us all over the doat3 introduced ua to the junior affioere, Bartletto and, oh, we had a wonderful time1 I wondered even then why ao Important a nan wul4 take the time to take a couple of kids aspound. About three otclock in the afternaon b raid, "b#is, ha# would you like to be my clerk? clerk whe cmw

through the Strqits of Piagellan, told 194 thi8 morning he wae leaving to get a job in Sen Ipraneiuae. How , would you like %o join us and go to Alaska? If you'd lfke to be my secretary, Ild be glad to hoe you," Of course, I told him I would be delighted, but woula have to get my fatherla parmireion, whioh waantt hard to get, becauee of his confidence and respect in Captain Trenner, 9 atarted out on the 4th of Julj, 1888, headed for the Aleutian Islands on the U.8* Piah Comis~ion

atemer Albatross, Our firat atop was st Seattle, which conslated then of a few whartres emd houses on the firat rise in the land, Baek of it were several m51es of virgin forest and then Lake WashingBen. Some enterpristng paeple -- they mullrt hays, had nerve -- had dealded that the be8t way to open qp Bartlett: the baek count~ywas to put in an electric liner And so they built one from the beaeh to Lake Washington -- the firat electrio car8 in the United Stater, I took a ride on it. Tb 6omtry wall all Sore~t,and M e Wa~hlrrgtonhsrd nothing to canas a ripplct except the boat6 that went in from the Soundj and thsre weren't many of those, Pmm Seattle we went to Victoria and rpmt a little time there. One thing I ebremod, which f recalled on my next visit 62 yew8 later, war a long -ah at the end of the harbor, and bask of

it a 15 OP 20 foot rise, When I came brok in 1950, I noticed that the ma~shhad been filled in to quite a height an8 that the Vietoria Hotel and several publio building# faad been built on th fill, What aurgrirsd me met was the fabulous Hotex Viotoria on made land, From Victoria, we went %-ugh the inland pasaage, between the Island and mainland, aeopplng rat a number of Indian villages. bat of them ad hardly seen white men, We saw many totem polem Bwtlsttr in theae villagem that are now d@eorating the pwka of Victoria, Tb Indians were very nia~W us, Captain Tanner gave them eome thing8 they appr@aiated, and they reclprooated in a nlae way* We mda a few aoundlnge in the atraitr, fish& in tihe ma16 water, and made some seientifie observations. Then went north to the men Charlotte felandr and Queen Chaplotte Sound. Up there, we started awveying the sea far 008 and halibut. We had on boda fisheman from the Chnd Banka on the $art Goast ishe war an expert in these fishesieu.

Oilb t Did you have any relatione with ths Qdlnadiangovern- ment? Bartlettt I do not seaall any, but the Captain allwaya aallsd an the official^ -- Juat a ceremonial @all. Gilbt They didn't mind yaw fiehing? Tb~owere no Juris- diatioml problems? Bartkett o Ha, there wepe no jurisdicti~naPproblama. !!?hey knew, of course, what the ehip was doing. Ar th Captainla Clerk, I wrote by h4nB all hi8 eorpas- pondence, and have no recolleatian of hi8 dsalbgr Bartlett r with the Canadian governnrent, though hQ alwaya made ceremonial calls. I canrt be peaitive, b* he never wrote letterer to them, Apparently there were no problem between tb two ooturtriss at that

time. By the way, I wrots dill the lettara by hand,

The typewriter had not made it8 appearanas ln the

Navy. We did quite a bit of exploring in @eon Charlotte Sound and beyond, and our fisherman expert, who hew all about cod and halibut, waa delighted with the reenulta, We would atop, and - eveqbody on board would fish, We f lahed and firahed and found it an exeellenb fishing ground,

Gilb : There was no colamereial fishing, them, at that tiaras? Bwtletta Not there at that time, though salmen fiahing in Alaaka had begun, After dark we ancshored for the night, and our expert fisherman put out a 1st of llnea, every one of which caught fish by morning. We had a trawl eonstating of a metal framewo~k with a net attached, and dragged it along the bottoa Bartlettt and gathered the flora as well ae the fauna off the oesan bottom+ We brought up all sort8 or things; the mdf ish and the hallbut were by no man8 everything, All these findings were 'piakled",

a8 we aalled it, and sent the Smitharenitan Znlrtitute in Washington for rtwy. !Phe aolleetiona of sea fauna and flora were made under the direation of Profeesoa Gilbert, who had published a book by

nJordan and Gilbertw a year OP ~WQbefore. The

'~ordan' %n this t~amwas David Stasr Jordan, who fmd just been appointed p~esidentof Staniord University by Senator Leland Stanford, and was then

engaged in planning the buildings and earnpus, and eelecting the faculty, Gilbert was proferuor of

Ichthyology there for many yeCU18. Ee u.8 a great acientiat, but the eoldett fish that ever amout of tb ooean. We ,Began in seen Charlotte Srs\znd making submarine explo~ations,and collacting avsrything that cme ~p In the trawl, It was put in aleoh01 and sent to the Smithsonian Institute in Waahingtdn. Many of the erpecimen~were then new to aroienae* Bartlett s F~omQueen Oharlotte bound ua went on a fairly straight line to Wch -or in the Aleutian Islandr, do%%a lot of sounding and fishing on the way, Not only dishing for fiah but also far a11 fomns of marine life, vegetable as well as animal, dnd the vegetable lire at the bottom of the ma is be~lltiful indeed, and ranka in beau%ywith what we cultivate on lend, Ws stayed a little while in Dutch -bar in Ala~ka,and made ~omeobaervationa and calPeeted fauna and flora, and then started baek, That Pe

aB far west ae we went, The sea an4 islands at the mouth of the Bering Sea are perpetually eove~edwith fag, due to the flowing out f'mm the hatla of

melted ice and snow, and meet- a wkumer atmosphere. The owpent a ere fast , too, and mcrle rsailing difficult in areas then aketohily charted, So, for ~afetytasake, Captain Tanner took on a Russian pilot, Captain Popoff, to help with the navigation. Then we went baek toward Che mainlsuld, But in the meantime the Oaptain deelded to explore tb great deep arevasse on the 'bottom of the oeean that Bartlatt t parallels the aouthern shore of Alarka, part the Aleutian Ialada, Kamchatka, Japan and the Phillipinas, where the greatrart depBh Lans sinas been found, Damin ha4 made him trig up thm Asian coast fifteen yeara or ao earlier, and had dis-

covered thie great oeean canyon^ ba* he^ dMnlt

know it8 dlmensiona nap it8 length. One of my duties war to make a ~eeardof all soundings. These were mad@ wtth plans wipe wound

around e, drum, let out ani pulled up by a little engine. It wasn't very accurate beoams of msnCa and wind, and the diff Iculty of ksepfng Lhe ship in the aame spot. I remembe~one ver?p aold and foggy night: 1 was on the upper deak with the 8ounding appaz-atus, making a ~eeordof the tfms it took to pay out every hundred fathcms, It took urs nearly two houre, before we hit bottom at about 28,000 feet, It was one of the great, though not the greatest, deptlis then Pound on the surfaas of the eblrth. In order to learn abouO the ocean floor, a braes cylinder encased in what looked like a Bartltttt cannonball was attaehracl to the end of the wire. Whan it hit the ground the ball was ~eleaaedand a valve on the cylinder war pushed up to let In water and other mater3al; the valve ulased when the cylinder left the efrourid and began its trip up, bringing up a sample of the ooeun bottor.14 An attached themnometer ramked the temperature at the lowest point, This sounding book the greater part of four) hours to get down an8 bask; and provide6 mny data canoeming the ocean floor. Popoff,who hew the curzcentu asnZ the ha~borr, was in charge of the steering at that time. We went to many islands large and small. Wherever we atopped everybody went ashore with a gun or rod, and brought back samples of anflmalm, blrdr, fi~h,and botanfeal specimens. The flat shore wae mostly bundra. As a rule the mountain8 were very

ateep, and ewif't strearas brought down a lot of material which was spread out like a platform around them. These strew were rapld and always shallow, The salmon were m~ingwhen we wepe Br~~tlsttx there and one could not hava, wa3ke4 aaparsr a thirty-foot atream #ithmt stepping on a salmon at evdlpy sbep. We anaho~adat KodiaPt, one sf tb lwgert islandas perhaps the mat import;an* an* at that time -- before r;he geld rush, Tb~s,wm a fPm harbor whsm tkre was a trading rhtion f4~ fish canning, saal-skina, eta, Qaptain Fopoff inviBad me %a visit same friendr of his on an fa1anQ In the harbor about two &lab away, Wr h~ka ahip'r boat and rowed over. The hdiane aaw ua earning aRd ware all an the beach to gree* Popeff, an8 PnvPted us into tbir tepee to mea little drink. mir house was bnfltr for winter, POP aom PBaIQZls Z do not recall, the7 had down a ooap1@ e2 %set for their cabin floor and the #idle waI28 we- very low. The fmnt &or was eo low we had to erawl in# thia we had to do on our hamla and hems. 3%~mna was, I should says twanty-five or thirtg feet long wiBh a very aCeep ~oof,with a littla bola fa Wa top whe~sthe smoke went out, when It dl&*$ st;ap Batlsttt in* The Abu$s, of b~wue~offerad uu a &%rik4

Uilbt Did they talk BngBishT Bmtlsbtr E3a, Popoff did the tsjlkimg to the Indianar, They offerad ua their aountsrptgB of whiekey, and sf oourse I had some3 I eoulCln*t refuse eblr horpitalitr, Its effe~taae gotserful and the maw rfif3213g;* Wina~ily,tbqy wlred the building only whsn bh8 roof fell in. But, aayway, we had a nies soa2abPs time. Theae friendXy Aleuts were iina fellwrs and treated ua well, Then, all of a asuddan X waa

strmak by the thoqfit t "How f n the diakenn am I going to walk ont of this ~llaae?~#hen f rbodl, 1 felt my loge b~ckling.imb@rme. But 1 felt better when I remmbersd that no on8 eonld wa9k a.trCj that we had to crawl out anyway, Burtifled bp %hat idea, I gut an my mosB dignified wrmntbr, go& on my bees and mawlad out in%s tb ai~,where 1 reeave~edquickly, and was abl~te pall oa~ with Cap-in Popoff. - Prom there we atarted on mar way bm an4 aailad ea~tward, But $he Captain had buaa di~e~tibd %.rqs~aaequy tra @.arl%~~03 3aen en @saeqq rrioba

'J9%8T qW3 Q3 XTW e# *aTS=f%V eW a'$ -3 rmt) - peqodyye afa$w swn I @xe%wq 'VOP 140 Wl m1 aden on ueqn qwqq peuJrreT ofi *pfq -4 ay gmzJds Bar%leBt$ arid ths B~itirhlain inland, an8 between tZls I4;Larad

and no~thernWashington to the gasifi8, W@J found owaePses in a tewibls artorm, ths worrt I baoa ever experienced, Be we were plowing weak tow& the Paelfie Oesan the wind Bled aruddrmn3y and 16bt ua walluwiag in a sea wlth a swing af Bwenty-five deg~ees. I was lying Elat on my back in Oh6 ehnrQ room watchlag a pendulum ~ol3,bask and frsrth. X

wasntt eeaisiek -- at least 1 trl~Qto think 80~ though I admit I was unesdortable, &an we $08 to Gape Flattery on the Paeiflc, the Captain dosided

them wasn't any use in trying to r%ra;l.tsup wo~k off. Washington until the Bea csa-4 down$ so w* went up the coast of Vanwuvsr Irsland, ta Barelay Sound, where we mu3d Mde behind a group sf little islands tihat broke Bhe tremsra8aao swelb &hat prevented owp,work, They W~PBbeatl.t).%f'ul little islandrr, cantaa'f. in shapa, eonred w%bh magnWieent tree8 that had mter been kouehgd by an axe. They affere8 a fins refuge hmtha wake of the atom ae we go% beMnd a group anhi1 0b Bartlett t area calmed down, I enjoyed Barclay ~oWvep$ much; I thought It om sf the mat beau$ifu3 places that I .kaad eve^ been in, an4 rerolved %a rertsit it; regaarly every 65 yeam* Fhir X

Gllb t What die you do with the speefmnsf did yon aab?xmulat@ them all this time?

Bartle.trtt They were all piakled .In aleahof. or other preserv- aClve and stored to await shiplnsnZ to the smith.* sonian Insti.trute for ahdy and aflekeaping,

From Cape Plattsry, we bagan surveying tb ocean bottom along the aoasts oi Warhlngton and Oregon, not close to the ~hore,because we wem not doing that. We wepe tsbudglrq the ocean floort its firh, fauna and fle~a,p~lscipal1yadand halibut. We would go straight out fro* the mainland t m soun8f-s @very5 miles till we reaehea 100 fathome cw so$ then turned south ten milel, bhen to the ahare. Every once in a while wet4 atop and throw out a line, and aet a1 hand8 to firhing to learn the value of these fPrhlng g~oaadar. Bartlett t Whbn we gat back to Sm F~smebaeo, the ahig was drydocked an8 put in condition. ?!hen we atarted surveying olauth of Ban Franeiss-o. Ws feuad \ rame verg deep sowlB1ng1~and in the grreatar dep&h# got quite '.a *mubar of ipaeimena u. men up no~thjfish with eyss %ha%wuldn#t Bee POP they lived at great depth for so mmy gsnaratiaw and ha8 grown fll- over the 1e~eem~WQ id theae not far off the eoasb of BanBa Barbara. Then we wen* furthsr noutb, rwveyina; an we went, and leapnod asmething about the oeem bottom. We didngt go aut always to the great daflb, but

we did some WQP~off the area where tb(b7 &ate since -, discovered oil, off of Southern Oa'i%fo~nla* 8,8, Supreme Gmtha8 just Beeideta, by a majority vote, that CalffornPra enjoyed ownarrhip of %he 03L1 area aince early dare. They %18ntt how mythlag about Jti at that time, a8 the flathertes did not

eztend out 80 Pap. me dlbatpsss mad* tb me.& exploration. But of' emPse we didn't Zmow anything Bartlett s about oil, We ware doing the ardimwy thlng, Pounding the bottom, noting itr -actst, arnd catching fish fhem and on the amfa&@.

From the~ewe went down along the tol~sftbf her CdLifo~nSa, stopped at a msbabr of plaoer

slnce beeone wel3,-bwn t Ensmada, which mis practicq,lly nothi- than+ One of the inte~ssting phces we went to uas $an Barthohe Bay, whieh wad farther aouth. Wen we went in, we found the U.S. 8, Ranger, o coast rpwvey boat, making a eurveg+ We met its offioe~sand men, who told a#, "Tbla

it3 a great plate for turtles. Do you like turt~ea?' Of course we all Ilkad turtles. %ellw, they mid, 'you can gat hundredr of t2-mm.m we have ss 1-g~ seine and so hare you. We'll tie them t~getbr

and make a 1onge~one and throw it 0118a* loat tldts.

Sailo~rfmn ther Blbatroea will lpan one end of tha rope; our aallora will man the other. Bad when we &ag it in, we '11 get thouads af turtles. We

got ra many we did not regard that a0 an exagge~atian. AB we pulled in Ohe lines and orowded %hentogether, Ba~tlettr their heads gapped yg excitedly. Ws filled the

hir foot do& on the deck3 actual4 wa-walkedon the baaks of' Ba~$lese- ro we wen% fa~amd at%. I wondadd what would be done with them all* bub when we got to San Diego, the Ce~owado.Hotelgot %bm, On that tpig we went am,- the Lower Gallfornia penllnsula and stopped at a number) of rillagsrr, among them LaPaz, on the Wfef hdltiomia, xww becomtng a farhionable center, . I had a emera-+I& me, aomth1n.g new PQ those daya, And 1.h.drome- body take my pitture with what I would say would be about a qua~ts~of' the populationr 'Pha p%~hP@

rarhow~ a cactus about 15 feet high$., and BIB, an& thak's all, !tl-mt was. EaFas in thaas dagr* From them we 'went north to the month of &he Bolorads River. We didn't see ite mouth beeaura the silt brought down was for eve^ filling the hlf of Californf a. We aonldntt even geC clarei bemause of the shallomees @f *he water, Coming baek, we stopped at hapma, nw a bmt'letts very fashtonable resort, At %ha$ %%mea thra wrrar an Amriaan eensulate. X rewmbsr f%&a a wSdy, bleak, grave31.gr place ath om wall, to whl& all the inbabitczn4is [about twenty or *%r%y) cmqb for their wabr* We stopped at the muQhof Yaqyi fiver, which has been in the news off an8 on fcar nrany ysnrrr baaaxas ~i Indim dlartwbanues -.. m.t;lrtjely, bu% 15 or 20 yeme ago, We diBn*t sea %ha Iailiqna, though we kept on %he lsskonb,for thm* ;,The ey!~Iara (about the mouBh sf the Yaqd River) in9;epeata4 arrb partimrbrly. It war, eneru~tedwi#W&heP, and %hey were good, And to me the intereating th2rsg wae that they were large6 like the Easrtrrrn eys8e~8,naB like the oesy smdX dalifornla 0y8tb~athat; used

ward that the size la largely &-9 Bo the sa'linity of the water, San F~ancireoBay watez is mah mxe saline than the estuwisre on the bClaptlcr from which the lwge oysb~seom. On ther way b-sr~kWe Bartlett8 went to one of the Revilla Gigado Irlande -- a group of little Zslanda about 29 miles south ef Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Lower o@lWoslnia, We didn't go aWre far the verg goad rerrson %ha$ the mowltainside is very, very steep axid a caat;us

bmd, Pmpassable for man OP beask. Rebody tHsd 80 get ashore. The laland ia connected with an interesting story, prior to the Rl~alWorld War), wUch I w111 tell you Plater.

From there, we went baak bate, !&at war the end of my Albatraras axperienee, I uar 17 when X got brok, and went to the Univerrity of' Oaliformia the f'olluwing Augt.uk. . Gilb t Yo- career, ainoe you lef* scbol# has followed thee main lime4 the pmetice of lawb gublis

public power. There aserne ta haw, been ample precedent in your falllfly for dl three of theae

intererata. Bid ycju observe your Uncle WasMng%on

Bartlettt~careel. a$ mayor cif SmF~aaeieee?

BartletGt Yea, I did, Aa a matter of fastt, my father sen* me an errands to his officre seoeral times. I remember one ocaasion when I was 11 and found the

South, my uncle had as majo~-d~ab;ci geg~o who held the post for a generabion, He %oak ma ts nrgr uncle who was presiding at a met- of the Board of Supervi~ors,and being young, and havia no better sense, f went up auld kiasad q unale, to the enjoyment of the Board of Superviaors. My uncle had been catnty elsrkl a position that was not poliey making, with littla patronage, BartXett: nothing to do with the handling of finaaeea b was a competent, well-reapeeted, wall-liked, and

well-known pergon whose job was to record tb happenings of the Board of SU~B~~BOP~~

$an Fsanclseo in thoae years waB pun by grafters. The Board of 8upalrotisorr waa almost

unanimou8ly so, There were two p~litical organizations fighting for power -- the Republlama and the DemcraCre, Both Bartiea were mbvl by corrupt bosaea -- and there was then no segulatlon af sleetions through sffective regirtration of thoae

an.titled to vote and those who voted, The Republlcanr

would win the slractiaa one year; and the corruption

was ao flagrant the individuals eould selclora be re-elected, So tbPemocratrs went; in the next time and acted likewise, Both pa~lei~rrhad the same Zcind of' baseres who, nevertheless, naruinated,

usually, a reerpeotable figurehead BLIa cmdida*e for mayap, who had little power because the "solid eighka of the Superviao~scould aver-~ida everything

' he did, Bartlett~ In 1882 they didn3t gat a ttgursheadj they got; my uncle, Washington B~tl~ktrB~p~isingly, he was elected, by a rat he^ amall margin aa I recall it, But, anyway, be found himelf in a position whsm he had to veto a large nmbsr of' bills. He made quite a repubation ar a vetoe~ during the first term a8 mayor, and the gublle re- elected him, though he wae Democrat, it was the turn of a Republican mayor, and the RepubZicmr had nominated a very prominent Republican and fo~mr clmbaersador to some Central American ctountry, hyway, Washington Bartletf was re-elected, But the Supervfsora were no *better than before. Bemt Did he have a Board of Supervisors of the sans party as his om in Ssln Fpanciseo?

Bartlett t I do not know. 'kc Democratic bosa than warm Chriar Buckley, a blind man, and bier slssPetrant was &am Raineg. The Republican bosses at that time were Kelley and Crimins, San Francis00 aB thtat time

was practically the State of California, as it accountei! for a large part of the population, It Bartlettt wa8 a centex-, aad the reat of the StaBe was not well connected, either by water, ~eilor roada, There were no railrods other than the Southern Pacific, md that en a limitad area,

Beant San Francir GO was known ars The Uity Ba~tlettr 5e8. The people in the countrg around thre had their little nevepapar, aml go* new8 largely fmm and of Sm Frmtleco, and them was plenty of news of po1itica.l corruption in San Franuisca. When the State election of' 1887 uamb along, my male declared himaelf for the Demooratis nomination for Governor, 'This created a great tussle between tb eitg and the country. The count~ywas disgueted with San Erancieca polities, slna knew my unale'r fight for clean government, and were a11 fop hien, The Democratic mchlnsr w~sagainsk hlm. At the time there were no elaetlen laws ta

dfreet and control nodnatione, %!herewape no segiatration ~equfremntssueh a8 we have now, There was just a band of people ot&a go* together and aalled themselves Republicans or Deraoerats. Bartlett t The voters actually belonged to those partleu, which were con.t;rolled by the bsrsee who organitsd and controlled them, largely by money and joba. I r~mtnbepbltd Chrf.8 &aekley, at the Jiverg stable he used as headquarters in aoducting hi8 campaign, Be bad two or three touts who would bring voters to we4$ him, He would iahake handa, and leave

sl coin Pn the vote~~rshand, the^ tout would give the vo$sr the right ballot (eaeh group p~inted1%~ own ballot) which he would hold over his head in plain sight aa he walked tp the ballot; bon aad dropped it in. Of course there were then, as now, honest an8 intelligent satere; but they had little ehanee. In 1887 the Democratic convention for nomima8ing

state officers was the battle graund for two groups -- the city machine, and the sountry vster~. The Southern Paeifio and the local bases supgorted the Stan F~aneiacogroup. The wuntw, whioh had

been fed by the San Francisco papers on San Francisco graft, wanted aoxeone to ff ght graft, and bauked my Bwtlettt unalo. George 2, Marye had charge of organising thd~group, He was afterwards appointed ambaseador to some Ataiatic cowltry by @roverCleve~d. After

the liveliest convention thus far -& lasting thee days -- nge uncle oalne out on tog and wars elseCsd by the skin of Us teeth, He became Itovernor in 1887, Be was s sick man after the election, and my father, Golwnbur Bartlett, went with him to Sacram~rrtaOo help out as his secret- during the legislative aeasioa, Bartlett waa a bachelor end during birr

stay in Sacramento lived in a boasding house. A young lad natned Peter J. Shields alaa lived there, CPhey became greatly @ttache$to eaeh other, an8 every nzght after dinner took a walk t0gcet;h.e~- a little breather before my uncle bnekled down to a long evefing'a work, My father wan a p~omineat&an Francis00 lawyer (he had to be god to raiee 10 children), but left Ma practice to hia juniarm and

acted aa grivsrbe secretary during Che lagialatire ~ession, I ssmember two Important thing# thmQ Bartlett 3 happened -- for thsy were frequently talked oft First, the firat irrigation dist~iotlaw; and eecond, a conetitubional amendment to provide funds For the Unive~rityof Califo~nlaamounting to one per cent on the property ~alutiition* 9'hlar

irrigation law wale not a wonderful act, but it; was a starter, not only in California but el~e- where. Ten years later it was improved by the Bridgeford Act. That started the organization of irrigation dtetricts in earneat. Among them were the bdeato and Turlock Irrigation Diatricta, I'll have something to aay about them later.

Bean t You spoke of the reorganization of the Univeralty financial arrangements. Bartlettt Yes. Up to that time the Univerait~of California was supported by biennial legislative appropriattona, The rscienae members of the faculty had been reermited from able young men who had beaome followers of Darwin, and hie theory of evolution, an8 thsy discussed it in their cla~see. Among them were John and Joseph LeConte, Slate, Hilgaud and others, Bartlett t This discue aion wars an offenae against raligion, particularly to the farmers, and the Univeraity was tagged as a "Godless institutionw, There was considerable opposition in the hgirlature to U, C, appropriations, and the growth of the University was elow; attendance dropped at first but began faster growth under the new plan, It had started rapid growth when I entered as a freshman, in 1889,

and a few yesra later tents had to be put up to house classes. During the next 30 yeare, a8 the University grew, the religious feeling against it ceased.

The one per cent vkloatlon of property was found to be an entirely inappropriate method of dstermlning what the University needed. SO about 30 year8 later the University everted to the method of biannual appropriations. Actually the 1887 method wan a good thing at the time, beaauss it prodded a

certain income, took the U.C. out of palitiaa, and increased the University's appropriations as the assessment roll of the State increarad, 'Phe University would have starved to death without Bartlett: this change, Thirty yeare later, when financial suppost was rsaseumsd by the legislature# the temper of the timea had changed completely, and the legislature was well manned by Univeralty of Calif ornia gradua tea. In 1887 I knew ~omethingabout the irrigation

districts, because a great friend of niy father's -- Judge James A. Maymire -- who lived nem ua in Alameda, was one of the stmngest i~lu~noesin bringing about the irrigation district act. 1 happen to know about 2t because my father took me for a walk every Sunday morning to Judge Waymire's, where I heard conversations about what was being planned for irrigation.

Gilbt How dld were you then7 Bartlett: In '87, I was 15. Gilb: And you understood it all? Bartlett: I won't say nallm, Oh, yea, I knew what it waa about. I became interested in irrigation distriats then, and 30 years later spent several ysara campaigning throughout the State for the Water Bartlett: and Power Act, and in establishing Eunieipal Utility Distrieta -- all in aid of irrigation, municipal water supply and public power, Gilb s Ha& you had any intereat in it ecwlie~than that? Ba~tlett: Itd been in the eountq quife a good deal, and a8 a child had heard about the woes of farmers, One of' my uncles, Remy Mel, had a vineya~dIn the Santa CNZ mountains -- quite a beautiful vfneyard. He was very hospitable and invited all the family connections to corm everg summer and camp in the orcharda, I semember we had two big tent8 side by side, with the inside walle rolled up to make one tent. The ground waa covered with atrau, and

the boys slept on one eide and the girl8 on the other, and two mothera in between. With the lwal couain.8 in their own bum, there must have been eighteen or twenty of us in all* And every Satmday, my uncle would fill up his bi8 wagon anel take a load of kids -- the oldes ones holding the younger in their laps -- to Santa Cras for a &xu. Zt was a mrveloue party. ADMISSION TO TflE BAR AHD SAH FRAHCISCO CITY POLITICS, 18909s AWD AF!lZR

Bean t You began yow law practloe in ban Franeiaoo in 1896, did you not?

Bwtlett t Yes,

Bean t Did your law practice bring you InCo contact with polltias? Bartlett r I think, rather, that it was a little diertraatlon from politics. Oilb : &w dld you fi~stget ertarted in politlos, through your uncle7

Bartlett i KO, you see he died when I was 15, When I began politics in 1896, I ran for office aa8 was defeated, How I got into it, is somthing that hasn't been recorded in any of the books 3oxitve ahown me. I ran for Supervisor in dan P~anciscloin 1896, just after beiq admitted to practioe law, and joined a group headed by Gavin McBab, who was trying to beuome Leader. He was honeatly interested in good government and thought that the beat way to change the situation in 3- Pranuisoo waa to put Ba~tlettr in office young unive~sltymen who didn't have all the habits and the entourage of tho89 who had been running the city. 3e wanted a aomplete new slate. I forget who introduced me to Gavln. But that was done rather early. I had just graduated from the Haatlngs College of Law, though I had ~eceived my license to praetles the year before on exam.lnation by the Supreme Court. In thoae days the bar examinatlona were held in the Supreme Courtla court room, with all justices sitting black robed behind an elevated table, asking questions in turn. There were about 30 appllcahtm, In a a-le row facing them. A Jnatfee began on the left and asked a question, If not co~rsotly answered, he put It to the next ratudent and.paased it dawn the line until someone got it right. I recall that the 'Da~tmuth College 0assWvent along

the line quite a bit before anyone got It. The ncast ayetern' wan waking ite debut in the Calif'o~nla law schools, though Williram Carpy Jonesl uaed it in BartZettr his law claelses which I had attentled In Berkeley. After a couple of hoarr, wh1uh meant five or six querationre to each etudent, the oourt adjourned, and a few days later we reoeivsd our notloea. I stayed in the law achool to graduate the following

8tllllSner. When the election of 1898 aame along, &Nab

asked me Sf I wanted to run for Supervieor. -OUT uncle, Washington Bartlett," he mid, "had a reputation ZOP honesty, brainer and gute, suzd Mar mrae may carry you through,' I was looking for experience as well as office, and ran. In thoae day a, befo~ethe Hew Oharter of

1898 came in, the city was divided into 12 ward# from eauh of which a superviaor war electmi. When San Franeieco beecame a city in 1850, its area was almost entirely easB of Kearny Street narth of Xarkst and saubh to Rinoosz Hill, its farhionable aaetion. The district I was to regreeent waa down somewhere ax-owld Battery St~eet. So ~QPthe Banpaign I moved into a little old dump ealled the 'Ooao Bartlett: Eouaen, and lived there surrounded by all the ataw bums of San Francisco -- pephaps not all of them -- but a11 the ward could hold. In 1849 the orlqinal beach of? San Franeisuo meandered from Kearny Street southeply and easterly across Psarket Street to Rincon Bill. Ships beaehed in the sand became stores and wwehouees, Hy maternal grandfather, John b1, arrived from Hew York in the apring of' '50 (delayed by an interlude of the Panama fever) and used one of these ships as a atore, By the time I ran for office, the shore was filled by jerry built shacks. I doubt if the

Coso House had eves been swept out of fumigated, It was a terrible plaae.

The district I hoped to repreasnt was a little one, probably not mope than a few aquare blocks,

I hated to go back there at night and was glad to get out in the morning and walk in the fresh alp. I wars revolted by the drunks who lived them, and befng peen in polities dfdntt campaign sunong them* Of oourse, I stumped all over San Franeiseo because Ba~tlettt it was a city-wide vote for all candidates. One Sunday night during the campaign most of the candidates of all parties met at Sanguinebti'~, a famous Italian peatawant, at that time claae to the waterfront. Why the candidates wanted to orate to all the other candidatee I never understodd, but we listened to the praises eash one lavished on himaelf. Particularly f ntereseing uas the speech of "Rain-in-the-Facen Treadwell, a heavily built and pockmarked hybrld -- perhape Indian md Negro -- running POP police juclge, Ria approach to campaignfng dfffe~edfrom all othe~a. "A11 you fellers", he said, 'are trying to talk yourselare8 Into office. I'm trying to 'look' myaelf Into offfcew. He won, and half of ua 'talkem' loat. Another candidate -- frank Kerrigan -- was elected a justice of the peace in that election and ended his capeer on the appellate benah. I learned qxite a little, made quite a few friends in the campaign, but was lbob lsangufne of being elected, and wasnBedlaappointed when Bartlett: aefeated. Although defeated, I was fntregued

by polit ~CS* Remx That was the eleotion before the Charter? What year was that, Just:after yom graduation from

law B cbolt Bartlett: It was 1896; the new Charter went into effeet in '98.

Bean t Garin MaNabt~nPufity Push' of 1898, that Intriguer me . Gilb t Ztd like to hear what this 'Furity Aiah" waa all abouQ, Bartlettt In 1896 and earlier, Bavin McEJab, a very able and conscientious politic&l reformer who had a~quired a considerable fallowing, became a leader in San

Francisco. He waB aiming pr%neip&lyat young intellectuals (the word had not then been asined). Many were recent university graduate8 of my vintageb

though mart of tlm candidates eetLected were BOW-

what older, James D. Phelan, a wealthy, well-educated, and able man of great publio spielt was elected Bartlett: Hayor in 189'7 and ~e-electedwhen the new

charter waa carried in 1898, md served as &~QP until 1902, He did a great deal to improve the city government, appointed able adminiatratare ta office, and cleaned up mteipal hau~ekeeping, Re was doing very well with the city government an8

had public support unHl the "Teamsters* striken of 1901 -- the first important alash between capital and labor since tls days of Dennifs Kearny (in the 1879'8). Union worbrs struok for more pay; the employers refuaed, and a real battle occurred between etriksrs and strike breakers, The employers asked for police protection for their drivers: Phelan placed police on the wagons driven by strike bretikers, The city was in an uproar, and men were mined and som killed. Phelan was blamed by the labo~ingclass, and hia adtnlniatratioa? went down

to defeat at the next election, when labor, though the adroit help of Abe Ruef came Into power uith Eugene Scbitz for Mayor, There was no dlrect proimary in Calif'o~niabefore Bartlett t 1898, Gavln EjIcWab was then the titula~head of the Democrat1c party in San Franaiereo, He walsnft elected, but was a magnetic and great organizer, with ideals that appealed to young wlive~siby graduate8 and their elders, who wanted olean, efficient government. He jm t about named all the candidates, and backed a nwnbsr of us. He actually nominated me for supervi~orin 1896,

though officially it was done in the Demoora%ic convention. Before the next election, a new San Francieco charter was passed by the voters land approved by

the Legislature, 80 the old t welve dist~iotswere elimtnated, and eighteen rsuperviaors were nominated and elected by the city at large, Becauee of my previous running %r office, the convention made nae chairman, The group also wanted me to run For supervieor again, I wae dying to do it, but unfortunately hadn't lived in San Franciacro long enough, I lacked about three montha of the five-year perlod required by the Charter, So I Bartlett t dldn8t accept th~nomination, I know 1 wau3d have been elected, beeanae we ebsOed fifteen out of the eighteen candidahes. Ollbt On an anti-corruptton platform? Bartlettt Yes, That was 1897 when Jlw PhePan wen* in aa myor. Be= r Did you know lilliam Randogph Hearst when he lived in San Frclnolstot Re moved to New Yo~k,didn It he?

Bartlett t Yea , he moved to Hew York. I met him bsforcr then. I attended a supper party he gave on Jimmy Phelanqr ele~tionnight in 1897. 1 was ohairman of the campaign aommlttee that year, and Reslrat had all

of those active in the campaign, for supper after the votes were aounted. I 've forgott;en where it was, Some plaee on the escond floor on Market Street, I have had only one othes meting with him -- this was in LO8 A~~les*

Bean t What impresaiona did you hate of Abe Rucbf 'l

Bartlett t He was not particularly Important in $he 1897 campaign, and hia orow8 wan defeated. I had na Bmtlettt sympathy with him or wht he wars daimg, and great contempt for hi8 principles, As you know, when you're yam, that p~eventsoaogerationf whan you're older, you can meet anybody, and oooperate for the epecific end8 you approv~,although yon stmy dislike and dirrtmst the indlvidualr I couldn't put up with people that were doing the kind of thing that Ruef was doing, so while I hew him and bowed to him on the et~eet,I nevem, conversed with him, Bean: Ruef always maintained later on that he hdld gone into politics more or less as you had opiginally; that Is, as a university man intereasted in polititel ~eform, Do you take that seriously? Bartlettt No.

Bean 3 Re went into poIitia8 in the middle '801s about ten yeare before you did. I imagine that bsfa~e you entered politics, he had gone downhill, morally speaking. Bartlett: 1 have n~ p+~8onalknowledge about his ewly yearr, Beans Did you take my active part in the Dnien Labor Bemr party? You were always a Damaora+7

Bartlatt t In the beginn- the Union hba~party wars entirel~ of unlon labor men, though bossed by hef; I had no conneetion with iC.

G13b r Haw did your attitude towa~dRaef affett yet# parOicipation in politioa, after the tu~nof the century? It must have eliminated you, didn't it? After $cbfllite waat ar1eeted.l Bwtlett? I wasn't so aetive in politica after the ele&fon of Schmitz, Ply father had grown old and feeble, andretlred from pract2ce. I bad to carry that on, as best I could, and to help but in educating my eQht brothers and sisters. So I taught in San Frenciaco night school, mads syllabi of ten vo~~r of United States reporta, etcr While 1 was Snte~ested in politics and did what I could, I. war no% among the top workers, 6 Gilb : Did yon have anything to do wlth labs~in bhoee early

B-tlatt t go, though I knew P.H. HeOblrthy very wall, Gilb t You did? Tell us about him, what you thought of htm. Ba~tlett: P.R. (~a~rickHenry, ueually spoken of aa "P~H*") was a master carpenter for the California Hatel in the 1890ts, and was miginally one of Gavln PlIGMabts "Purtty Pushw, Ha was in eb~geof the preclnet around the California Xotelj and waa an effective person, I worked with htm fn the 18909r before the labor pwty yeare,

GZlb t What did you think of his admlniatration as myor? You didn't think he was any good? Beanr Th~twas a fairly general iraprearfon ;(kaughter),

Bartlett 3 I think it was, yea. MeCa~thy#a8 an effeotive person when 1 first knew him, At Chat tin8 he was quite loyal to the ideals that mat of urs had. tb other hand, he was aneducated and had polltieal mbitisn, Gilb r Did you have ranythlng Bo do with the ea~lyProgreaaive movement;7 Ba~tlettr Yes, Iwae always uikh the Progressive movsmsn%though a Demc~atr Bartlett; Pa~tylines meant nothing to me unleas the eandidatm W88 &00d.

Ctilb t Did you ever meet John Francris Neylm before the FIPeC World Wa'O

Bartlett r Oh, yeB. I met him after Johnson hdappointed him on the State Bow4 of Control. Isve only hown him slightly for myyears, and have seen him infrequently. Gilb : Do you hve anything you want Bo ask, fJPafes~ro~ Bean? Bean: Of course, thereis an interesting development in Neglanls career from a liberal young man to a coneervative alder one.

Bartlett t I was a great admirer of Jaek Heylan while he was witk Hiram Johnson, but in hie later yeare he has not imprsased me favorably. &It I have had no quarrel witk him. );fter 1905, though I psacticied law tn San Francisco, I no longer+ lived there. was mrrf ed

in 3903 and lived in Ssln Franoisoo until a mon%h Bartlstt t before the great fire, Then I wepk to Oakland, as my wife was about tn have a baby and wanted ta

be near her mther, We rented a nea~byeotbge

but left moat of our belongings with our San Francisco neighbors for a few months, We ware all burnt out in the San Franeleco fire and moved in with my father-in-law, I was in Oakland from 1906 to 1908 and then in Mill Valley until 3.910, when we built our home in B8rbley and me there yet -- with a short interlude in Sacrament0, LAW RUCTICEt WILLTAM H, UEJQDOECI

Qilb3 What was the nature of your law practice berose the fire?

BartleZt t Small, Oilb : Anything you could get, in other words. Bartlett: I'll tell you one of the firat things, X did in my practice. My fathe~had a friend and client, O.A. Hooper, a Xtunber man. He bought seveml Chou~anB acres ( my reoollect$on is, about 40,000 acme) of land between ESartixaez and Antioch on the share below the oonfluence of the Sacramento and Sm Joaquin rivera. The land had been papenfed, and was held in several large ranchee, It Lncluded many miler

along the straits, and wae sparsely inhabited, My father turned the fob OV~Pto me, Of course, I could always go back to hem, but the

task was simple because the land was a great holding of about forty thousand acres, the title to whiah had been qbtained In 40 or 160 aure parode. There

had been few transfers up to the trime C.A. Hoopes Barklsttt Bought it. A11 I had to do was take a look at the original applications and cheek a few tramsf~ra. I finished the exslmPnation in about thee weeta, bilb * You mentioned to me one time eolaethlng about a Belgian settlement that you were helping to p~olrrate just before the firs of 1906, %'hataent you 60 Europe -- do you remember it? Bartlett: Oh yea, I remember tht very well, In 1905 I was attiommy for the Iblgiran Consul in San Franciaoo, and we ware good f~iends, He told me one day about a successful Dutch Colony toward the southern end of the Sm Joaguin Valley, The Belgians were Interested in ealonizing in a

new oountry sutih aa this, for they were arowded with an increasing population in a small Larea, The Consul, Rsne Rolew$ck, thought it a goad idea to get a traet of pod land and promote it8 settle- ment by Belgian people, X knew a real estate man employed by the Southern PacVie RafbPaad to colonize ita valley holding@, among akhera an 8,000 acre traet be%ween BmtlaCti Tr;Prlock and the Sari Joaquin River, He ahowed it to me, and I took the Belgian and htoh consnlrr to look it over, They had a university profearsor made a survey to determine whbthe~.the land waa good far auth a projeet. fa; hmntbd out ta be wonda;rfuI, excrel;? for a relatively rmt11 pwb

faiPly close to %he river whieh wals aaline. Haw- a-days, that wouldntt bother beeatme it could be leached out, Quet aa the United States hadone recently far the hela in the -ahear near Thermop~lae, It was a fine pieea of land, I had just met the eon of the ehcdirman or vice-president of the Belgian ch~b~~of Deputies,

a% he passed through San Francisso an his way ta Washfngton. The Belgian Conaul tosk as bbBh to

lunch; and we bok a llklng to each other. Bis father, he thought, would be intere~tedin thia pro jeet, bemuse blgim was overpopulated, and Bslgiana were well atlaptad for such a projett. 30 a8 0: waa going to Eumpe on other business, I obtained am option an the land asla took it with ma. Bartlett : When 1 got to Washington, this Belgian invited me and 8.Bt.s. Bartlett ko lunch, arnd suggested: would you like a spread-eagle turkey for 11;mchTm Nei$iher Rrs. Bartlett noF I had aver eaten a spread-eagle turkey, so f was, vhy, wead be delighted'. We wanted to do whatever would !wake the meting friends, We sat tamund and waited and waited and waited, It twned out that the spread-

eagle had to be taken from the chpphng block tb the tabhe, So we waited ti11 about four for lunch.

But I got letters to his father and a number of people in high positions in Belgium that proved helpful. I stayed in Belgium abou* a month, and things were going fairly well, but not esttled. Rowever, on April 18, 1906, after nry return home, we had an earthquake. That ended all ehame of a Belgian agricultural mlany in Californiaj in Paot, it temporarily e$ogped the flow of capital far new ventures in California,

Qilb8 But they wouldntC come aftes the fire? Bartlettt Oh, no. Gilb s Scared them out O Ba~tlettr Investors did not come to California right aft~r the earthquake. Oilb : Did the earthquake h m your poaetiee?

Bwtlett 8 Well, I suppose it did. 1 don*%know, though. I was like all other lawyers collecting fire insurance Pmm companies unable to me% their obligations in fult,, My practise wasnft extensive

but I nrade a f&.Lr living ont of it,

Bean t I'm interested in your acquaintance with Willfam E. Langdon. Bartlett : When I moved to San Francfsco in 1894, 1 want to law school in the daytime and at night taughk school in the Hamilton Evening SehooP in San Francisco. Dr. Tbms B.W. Leland, the principal, was elected Coroner in 1897 and I had taken hi8

place. Langdan came in and took my class, He wa@ a little youngap *an I, and came Prom a ranch not far from San Leandro. His father had just died3 he had a teaching certifiea%a and bectam prinelpal

of the San Leandro gPammaP acshool. He Md hi8 Bartlett: mother and two yourtgek afstsrs to take oare of, so, to supplement h2.~inaome he took a elaas in

the night school, He wals ambitlous Oo beeome a Pawge~,and mad law on h9a way to and rPom San Leandm to the Hamllton Eventng Sahool, and soon

was admitted to practice. Langdon and I were veq close friends always. I had great admiration for him, and we went inta partnership when Uswork as DSstriet Atborney in San Fsancziaeo ended. There fs a little episode during my prinaipal- ahip in the Hamflton l3vening School. tb.t 1 would like to recite. One of' the elasma on the second floor of the building coneiated la~gelyof older boys and girls who had misaed their early edueaOiah and were wing to catch up, One evening the boy8 decid.ed to slide down the banister an their way

to the at~eelt;, Thf le was an awkwse~dbmaeh of dfaeipline, ae they laded in the stream of artudenta going ourt the front &or. After Z had asked them to cut it outl they continued, until X tbeatsnsd Ba~taettt to give a lieking to any boy allding down again. The boys were evidently ready for thbs, and the next night the heavlest of them -- a boy of abut 20, slightly ovar 6 feet -- did th~sliding. I was In a fix, I coul&'t let that paas and sxgeet

to be obeyed, so I asked him to come into my offioe.

He was a very studious boy, and had neve~given any C~oubls;but he exridently had bean pushed int~this by his olaaaraates. Bis father ran a livery sable,

and hi8 job wa8 to buck hay, and the eallousea on hla hands wars like a rkinoceroue hide.

When I got into my offfee, 1 looked the door

and asked him to sit down; we talked ovep what he was at school fop; I %old ?aim that he wad doing hfsr sehbof work well and that he had been put up to this by the other Ssys; however, I caulldn2t let

tkds paas OP there would be no disoipline in the school. He was reasonable and contpite, so I told him to atand ~ndhold out his hand; and with a heavy strap, gave him all that was in me. Then we talked ft over and I thanked him for acaepting the discipline; Bartlektt we shook hands and parted on the best of term. The followiw Maymorning on opening the Exdner, 1 craw his picture as the new amtetw heavy- weight ahampion of Calif'ornial I believe I am Ohe only 5t6wman that ever licked an amatem heavyweight

barit When did you go into partnership with Langdon, do you reoall? Bartlstt: Right after the graft p~aaecutfons. b wanted to

go into law practise, However, ahorhly after, he married the aharming widow of a large landowner in the fViodesto area, Her first husband had died shortly before, and Langdon felt that he had to go to Modesto

first to put the rmch on a baeia that would 1eav8) him free to practice law. Re had had good ~anahimg

expepfence as a boy. As he waa in Bbdeato, and I was in Ban FP~CIICO, he did not help much in eamying on legal work in San Francisco, though he brought in some cllenta. We had some matters In Halesto that he'd take care Bartlett: of, though I went down off and on. We had our

names "~artlett& Lmgdona on the door of both offices. When Hiram Johnson became Governor he appointed

Langdon to the Supe~fo~bench at Nodestor From

there, Johnson appointed him to the District Court of Appeals, as presiding judge in San Frranciscs, Later he was elected to the Supreme Court, so ow)

partnership was brief and unspectacular. You might tell me whether this is comect: bangdon

was elected Superintendent of the San Francisco Public Sclzaols ir, 1898 an the Democratic ticket with Union labor endorsement. Bmtlett: !PhaZts right, That's correct, I'd forgotten that he had been Superintendent of Sohoole.

And then Ruef, according to my information, offered him the nomination for District Atto~ney, This is from an articU by Langdon himself on his own

career. He said that he ~uspectedthat several other lawyers had refused the nomination. Gilb : Did you have anything to do with San Francisto politics in those years? You never had again? Bartlettt I was active until I got married In 1903, and that cramped my style a little,

Gilb : Had to concentrate on law a little more7 Bartlett: 1 had to make a living. Gilb: You were going to tell us today abouC some of your famous cases, or very interesting cases, any-way,

Bartlett: Yes, The firet one was the case of McClaughry vs. McClaughry. Hrs. WcClaughrg was the d~tzghterof Lucky Baldwin, one of the richest men in the state and also one of the tougheat, He was a fabulous figure in the first sixty years of California, In San Franoisco he owned the Baldwin theater, the Baldwln Hotel on Market Street, and other large holdinge! in the heart of the city, After the San Francisco fire, I remember going down mket Stpeet and looking down into a tremendous excavation that occupied nearly an acre; Lucky Baldwin was down in

the ruins looking over his property. His daughter, Anita, was a fine woman, She married my classmate, Harry McClaughry, a flne but poor young fellow starting the practice of the law. Bartlettt Hep father didn't like this and diainhe~itedher.

When I was first married, &a. Bartlett and

had Mac and Anita to lunch, They were then living on the top of Telegraph Bill. We h~dgone through c%rkelay and the law school with me, and was starting his practice whi ch had not then arrive8. They had a very, very little to live on in one room on Telegraph Hill, Re mde their furniture out of cracker boxes painted black. I donit just know

why black was hie color; but he made little tables,

bureaus and benches out of suoh lumber aa he wae

able to get. They were really very poor then. Poor, but happy. And doing very well togethePo Later, in 1905, I met Anita at Lake Td~~eoBer father owned the Tallac Hotel and thousands OP aaree in that vicinity, and by then waar reconciled to his daughter; they were there together, He was decrepit. Aa I got off the boat -- there were no roads around there -- I saw him going up the outside s&airsof his hotel on Anita's mm, leaning heavily an her. I spoke to her and met him. that'^ my only contact Sartlett: with Lucky Baldwin, He had been reconciled with his daughter for a gear or so and she and Mae were living in Berkeley, as I then was. When Lucky died, she moved south to Lo8 Angelea, where most of his fortune was then located, He had

acquired a good deal in San Franaisco; but he owned thousands of acres of land in the Lo8 Angeles areaj had a racetrack there -- the Santa Anita -- named for his daughter; or perhape she was named POP the racetrack, I don't know, He left several millions. And the McClaughryJs moved down the~e. One day in 1912 I hed a telephone call From Clay Gooding, a mutual friend. Gooding told me that Anita had eloped from LOB Angeles with her chauffem, and had gone to the Palace Hotel in San Francisco. Pmc had expected this, and had sleutha out, who telegraphed him. So bc brindled the two

kids, Anita and Baldwin, in his little ~edStute, and drove up here as fast as he could, and ar~ived at his house when I went to see him. About ten or fifteen minutes later, the doorbell rand and Mrs. McClaughry came in with Gavin McUab, her attorney. Bartlett: We had quite a seance. Not only did ehe bring Gavin NcNab, but four sleuths, that fixed them- selves around the house so that they could look in from every side of' the houae and keep an eye on everyone,

She was very much upset, and wanted to take

the children right away. But Mac wouldn*t let

the children go, So they made a temporarg arrange- ment$ that ahe ehould move over to the St. Franc18 Hotel, and that I would bring the children to aee her every few days, I did that for awhile, and Gavin &Nab guaranteed that she would not kidnap them. That was the beginning of the ~C1aughz-y divorce, It was largely a queetion of money, for they evidently didn't love each other any more;

it was a question of how muh she war going bo pay Mac, and would settle on the ohlldren, horn that standpoint it was rather a sordid aifafr, but nevertheless lively. (laughter) After a little while, Gavin MeNab and I Bwtlett: arrived at a rnodus vivendi, The husband was to keep the children for the time being, until the divo~cewas settled; ~ndshe went back to Lo8 Angeles. However, the negotiations didnlt go very well, and Anita changed her attorney to Garret McEnerney, considered one of the ablest California lawyers of the state, and Mac countered by aading to his staff (%arles Stetson Wheeler, who was in the same class. He was top laver fop McClaughry; for some reason, Gavin MoBab fade6 out of the picture when McEnemey took over. The mgotiatlons went back and forth and Mgc got terribly worked up about it. Ha wanted to

get things settled, so, without consulting Wheelel. or me, he took the Mds in his little Stntz and went up to his father's ranch on the hkeltuone River. He hadn't been theye more than an how before he confronted with four sleuths. Be

was scared stiff', After about a day of it, with these sleuths watching him from the four cornem of the house, he was scared to death, and telephoned M Bartlett: me, 1 said, Why don't you leave and go down to your father's place at Galt only a Few miles away? It11 come up right away and help you out," So he did. He bundled the kidr into the

Stutz when he thought nobody was looking; but before he had gone a hundred yards, there were the four sleutha racing after him, !be Stub was a fast car, and he made it lickety-split all the way,

It was a hot summer, oh, terribly hat4 And that little house of his father, which waa intended

for two persons at most, had to :house the father and Mac and tbe two. kids and me. His father moved

out, but then &cts sistsr came to feed ura all, The sleuths stood around the house day and night, looking in the w1ndow.s. They didn't get too close but one could always see them. They

d2dn1t need to be with their nohleis on the panes to frighten Mac; he knew they really meant busines~,

Gilb t What did he think they'd do?

Bartlett: He was just scered, that's all, Scared stiff. After Bartlettt the second day, I said to hirn, he only thing to do to get those sleuth8 off your cheat is to go right out and take the kids down to lunch ( the

bobel was only a block away) They'll follow you, but that wfll give you canfidencre that yon can manage them, " It took me a long time to perauade him, but finally we started out in a proceaaion, f had little Anita by the hand -d he had the little boy, Baldwin, His sister walked along with us,

and then, as soon as we uere under way, the four

sleuths folluwed UB, (laughter) down to the hotel,

We got in as inconepic~ouea apot as we could, but

we could see four noses around the four uindovs of the hotel. Oh, Phc was frightened -- he thought they would just grab one of the kids; but they didn't, They were enjoying it, as a matter of fact, I talked to them now and again, They were just nice sleuths, that's all. But that was too much for Mac, he never did that agabn, Meant im, Garpett P4cEnerney and b~welerSn Bartlett: San Franciseo were trying to find some plan to get this situation straightened out. It laated

too long. &c waa getting more and mre worried every day. Finally we got ward thab it was all right to come home. So they went back to Berkeley, He occupied hia house and she wbt to the hotel.

Negotiations continued, but it was nearly a ye-

before they arrived at some sort of mnalueion. One interesting thing happened. A motion was brought up before the eoust, to stir things a little. Anita came up from the r~outhan8 waa

installed in the courtroon~with several people wheh Mac and I arrived. One was Arthur Flake, postznaste~

of San Pmncisco. (Xac has been his aeaietant; postmaste~for some years before he went south, )

Rext to Anita was a %own, and then NcEnemey, Mac took a look at that group and turned pale.

'Look at that womann, he said shuddering. It turned out that he and Piake, during the time that he end Anita were in Be~ksley,had skipped aver

to San Rafael oze night with a couple of women. Bartlett: And Garrett PZcEnerney was e3chibIting one of them, Wothing else happened in court, Evidently that

changed &cfs Ideas as to what to stand out for financially, though he had the children all ths time. Finally, a financial settlement wae reached, The boy and girl were given to the mother except for two months for the summer vacation. Anita

gave him about $150,000.

Another interesting caEe I had in early day8 was the "~In6uconspiracy casem, This aotion was brought in San Francisco before World War 1 by

the fjnited Sta-te~Government to inform the people of' the Unite6 States that they might be going to c:ar against Germany and to prepare then for it. The eonsplracj~was that the German consul in San FraccTeco aid his entourage, other Germans, and moms Americans fn Califo~niawere conspiring with some Hinrlus en2 Moslens to.outfit an expedition to go to Repachi and attack Great Britain through India.

Gilb: Were those Findus an8 Moslems in this area?

Bartlett: Yes, principally f arrn workers ia the Sacramento Bartlett: Valley and some fmm Portland. The German consul and some Ame~lcanswere loading a vessel to carry milita~ymate~ials to

the Revilla Gigeda Islands off the Mexican Coast, where they would be met by mother veesel, which would carry the amos and men to Karaohl to help the Hindus rise against the British, One day I

got e telegram From New Yo~kaskkg me to call upon a man by the name of Taraknath Das, a Hindu

who was traveling around the world and had juet

arrived in San Francisco, and had been naSbed and jailed by the government. He was a defendant in the Hindu conspiracy case just filed, This telegram came from the hugband of a friend

of %a. Bartlett and me, representing a sister of Charles B, Crane, one of the rich industrialists in Chicago and formesly am bass ado^ to China. She wa!lted me to go to the San Franciaoo jail and represent Taraknath Dae. Tarak was a young fellow, just under 30, a graduate of the University of

California, who had made some ve~ywarm frienda Bartletts here, He had taken his 1Jiasts~'aDegree in the

University of Washington and had been traveling around the world, He had been in Turkey, India

and Jepan and was on hfs way to the United States when he was picked up as he landed and aent to the

San Francisco County Jail, affeetionatsly known by Its inmates as the 'Hotel Tom Finn', tn honor of the San Francisco Sheriff. A11 the defendante %erecharged with being in a conspiraey' to vtolate the neutrality of the United States, The defendants were Hin6us, Moslenls, Germans, and some Americans who grovided the ship for this expedition, It was outfitted in and sailed from San Francisco to the Revilla Gigedo Islands off of Mexiao where I had gone on my voyage on the Albatroeal as 1 nentioned, It was to anchor there until anather

ship cane to take them and a shipload or equipment

to hrach.1, The island was the easternmoat one, small, shaped like a cane, uith very steep sides,

and covered with cactus so think that no orre could go aaFare, Tkre wasn't my water on the lsl~~nd-- Bartlettt nothing but &n impenetrable chevaux frlse. The "~lbat~oss"didn't think it worth exploring for water twenty-f ive years before. The ship for which they waited didn't arrive,

They waited and waited and finally decided to move,

as the water gave out, So they sailed to the Hawaiian Islands, atopped at one of them, got water, and slipped on. In the meantime, the intelligence service of the British knew where they were, and intercepted them about n hundred miles or so west of the bwaiian Islands and, brought the personnel back to San EFranclsco, where they stood trial,

I was not attorney for any of that group and represented only Taraknath D~B. I never found exactly what he was doing in the conaplrac$, aa he wa8 not in the least comunicative. But the evidence, not in the least concluerive, in my mind,

seemed to indicate that he was t~avelingas a courier getting information from place to place. He had Bartlett : gone through Turkey and spent coneiderable time in Japan, where he was in touch with Japanese tafficiala in high position and met some Europeans. From Japan, he sailed to San Praneiaco and met on shipboard, the America.woman through whom I was employed to defend him, Taraknath Das was handsome, well-educated, and

6 delightful, interestfng person, wholly uncommunic-

ative on what it was he had been and was doing. Gilb : Wh~twas the specific change of the case? Bartlett: ViBlating the neutrality of the United States, by outfitting an expedition to wage war against Britain.

The case was tried before Judge Van Fleet. John W. Preston, aftemasrds on the California Supreme Court, was then U.S. District Attorney. He tried

his case wonderfully well, I have never listened to one better tried. Be baa evidence from all

over the world, so specific you couldn~tget away

from it. He was assfeted by Annette bdams, very able and very loyal. But when it came to questioning Baptlett: the witnesses, testimony which she had prepared so thomqhly that it never slipped at any paint, she just wasn't in the same claere with Preston. He gave her a chanue after the trial had been going for about a week.

Gilb : She was young yet, wasn't she, not long out of college? Bartlett: She graduated from the University of' California in 1912 and had been out of college a few yeare by that time. Her quesAt;ionsseemed vindfctive;

that1a the worst way of getting what you would lfke to have from a witness; so Preaton took on

the exadnation gain. She prepared the case; It wee an extremely difficult task to gather the

evidence from all over the wo~ldand brlng it out in an orde~lyway so that the stom would reach the jurors in an understandable fashion. The Hineus and Pbslem d efendants had come, so= fro= the state of Oregon and some from California, where they had worked in the Sacramento Valb y vineyards. Bartlett : The German faction was headed by the German consul, a;ho lived in Alameda, and hls staff, including his attorney, psp~esentedby Stanley Noore, Theodore Roche represented the German consul and the Hindu and Moslem defendants, and

tried the generril case for the defenrje. There were several other lawyers, busy only with their own clients, as I was with Taraknath Das. The jury was carefully picked. Rolihan, United States Marskl. , aat right next to the jury box and the table Preston and Eiisa Adam had. Directly in front of the court were tables for the defense lawyers and their clients. (There were several of them because mny of the defendants were separately represented.) There must have been about seven or eight lawyers altogether, My defendant was a lone wolf in this proceeding, He was by himself in Turkey and India and Japan, He was a vesy literate person, and when it came to preparing the argument for hia defense, he instated that he would write it and that I would epeak it. Oilb : But he didn't know Amriean law! Bastlett: NO, but this was principally a questionof fact, Ha was a very positive, voeifersue person, who thought that ha was right in everything he had done. He prepaped a speech that sounded vs&y much like Lhe Declaration of Independence, and

was extremely angry when I told him that wouldnit

do at all. So I wmte out rq address; he finally permitted me to make it, and congratulated warmly when it was delivered, I trfed to pre8ePve his dignity and honesty without blasting evergbody on the face of' the earth. But all the defendants wepe convicted, Rocke hmdled the general case fop the defense, largely because he represented the largest group of 6efend2nta; but he was also the best trial lawer.

And he handled the case very well indeed,

As I said before, there were th~eegroupa of defendants: Hindus, most of whom had been in Celifornia in the Saerambnto Valley worklng on the Bartlett: Farms; a gmup of Moslems, most of whoglcame from

Oregon, where they also hpld been farn laborers.

The thirc? group was the Gemnan consnl and Ms

entourage. Then !. there war an American group who furnished the sh2p used to take the Hindus and Woslema and iti ions to Lapachi, Indla. llad

there were some single i'ndividuala repreeented

by idomael, aa was my caee wlth Tarknath Dan.

!Fhe trial. lasted over three monihs, When

3udge Van Fleet gave his Ion$ statement of the applicable law to the jwy and left the courtroom

an& the lawyers were all getting up to pass out

of the room, a shot was fired by the leader of

the MosPem. The bullet went acrolas the cowure1 table to the leader of tl?e Hindus, who was killed instant3y. Holihan, the m~shal, was quick and sho~*he Mo~lemthough the heart. The ~fioslsmwae

two seats from ne, at the end of the counsel table next to Stanley !bore, who grabbed him about the thorax, folding his arm8 in. Holihanis bullet Bartlettt wa.s just a couple of inches above Stanley moo re'^

apms, and didntt go throu&hthe NQPJ~~IU,nor to Stanley nor to me, who was standing directly behind Stanley, We were not hwt, When the shooting began,

Annette Adams, who was sltting nearest the Judge's bench, and Theodore Roche, next to h~r,jumped for cover under the Judge's bench, That was the greatest bit of agility I have ever seen, That didn't end

the conspiracy case, but Sfrg ~UPTbrought in a verdict of guilty for everybody, ELECTED MYOR OF' BERKELEY, 1919

Bartlett: At the tine of the First World War, I was almost 45 and was too old, according to the statieties, to take an active papt. I did offer to go to France, because I speak French fluently and could hold aome civilian Job in connection wfth the

army. That didn't work out. So in order to be of service during the war, I organized the Speakera' Bureau in Berkeley of Four-Minute Men, They were the means of communication between the Federal Government and the general public; we had no radio in every house at the time. The newspapers, of course, did their share, but the government thought it would be a good idea to have the Four-Minute Men a11 over the count~yto

report official news about the war and what should be done by- citizens. I was chairman in Be~keley, There were about P;wenty of us, men and women,

and we'd go to e.11 the +,heaters and meetings of

every kind end give a four minute address based on Bartlett: information given us by the government. We covered several theaters and halls every night. Esem time3 we heard there waa to be a meeting aomewhers, day or night, we gave a four minute talk on the topic the gove~mntwanted dleeuased,

Gilb : There were mylawyepa in this group, weren't there?

Bartlett: Yes, Many lawyers. We had a fine gsoup here in Be~keley,men and women; all good speakers. We got a raan from the University of California to coach us to begin with, and learned a good deal about making a good presentatlan. I was always interested in public af'iai~r and had covered so much ground during the war that

I was encouraged to take a flier md run for mayor when the war was over. So I announced myself for

mayor. My contacts as a Four-Minute Nan had been good and very great, I had been close to the University, had spoken in the Greek Theater many times, waa in touch wlth President WheePep ... Gilb : In what capacity had you spoken? Ba~tlett: AB a Pour-Minute Man. That gave me acceas everp where in the city, Every night during %he war, almost without exception, I made aeveral four- minute rspeeches all over the town, and though* that had given m enough publloity to give me a chance to win an elect2on. I had a lot of fhlends evuiou~to help me, Four-Minute Plen and people in the sa~iousorgan* izations to whom I had apoken,

Gilb t Did you have any very definite ideas about what you wanted to do if you became mayor?

Bartlett: 3h yes, I was particularly anxious to get a water supply for all the city; for all the Eas* Bay

cities for tbt matter, folo we had to go far and get a great aupply. That was one of the things I made my campaign on, P1$ predecessor aa mayor had never done anything but give it a little lip service : that is umlerstandable, becauree after

all, we couldn't; do a thing without the City of

Oakland, After my father-in-law, Warren Olney,

ceased to be Playor of Oakland in 1906, he waa Bartlett t succeeded by three otherer who gave the idea of watap a Friendly pat, but did nothing about it, Davie was %yor of Oakland at the time I was mayor and had been fop some time before, and w a8 having

e, fight with the Southern Paoiffo. He wasn't perticularly interested in water, but of courre,

when the Eaet Bay cities were organlxed to do

something about it, he was chairman of the group

and attended the fir~tmeeting, Then he faded from the picture for a long while. Gilb : You were mayor before we had the city manager system in Berkeley?

Bartlett: Oh yes, I'm responsible for the city manager plan becoming effective in 1923 instead of 3.925. Qilb: That means that you not only helped bring that in, but you wepe a very strong mayor, You had quite a bit more power than the mayor has now,

Bartlett: No. I was not a strong mayor. The mayor's pbweps under the charter at that time were not any greater

than tho~eof the other camissioners, Each of U8 Bartlett: had his own department and ran for It, 'Fh8 mayor had the same vote as any othe~member of the Council, end no more; but his title and baing presiding officer wae worth something in Ie ader- ship, And the myo~eallad special meeting^ of the Beard. Gilb z Be did have more power than under the present syatem?

Bartlett: Oh yes, The present system tranefera iffbat executive Fmors tathe cfty nranager. Under the Charter fn whlch I served, the functionlr of the myor had been conlsi6erably reduced, Each Comrnilssioner

had certain departments of the government fo~which

he was re~po~nsible.The mayor was in the aame situation, but he wgs more In the public eye and

lf he wanted to do 80?!3?thi~#he could get it in the public eye better than the other Commlsaionera could, The pa~ks,the playgrounds, public utilities and a feu other thms were under the mayor, The

other Cormnissioners had their own jabs, arueh ae the Bartlett : street department, public work^, revenue and

taxation, and so on. I had no veto power, and one vote fn five, That is all, But I over-rode the majority of the Council a few times, as I will tell you later. When I ran for mayor, my campaign uae baaed

on getting an adequate water supply, I made quite a campaign an that. Bartlett! Just after I was elected mayor, all the mayors of the Eaat Bay cities got an invitation from E.S. Pillsbury, a San FrancSsco lawyer and a big business man, to vierit the source of the Rwsisa

Rfver with the idea 0% getting that water for the

East Bay cities, He invited us all to a pfanic

at Snow Mountain, the source of the Russian River. I went there with NPB. Bartlett. We a11 took ow

wives along. 36 showed us the project and what it8 possibilities were, what a fine river it was, how

much available water 5%had, it8 proximity to the Bay Area, etc, We had a niee ti-, and when the official party was over, &s. Bartlett and I weat up the coast roada to lea~nmore of the lay of the land, When I took office, a few days after that, the

first thing tht I did was to organlee a meeting of all the mayope of all the Wet Bay cities for getting water. They had been greatly stinrulated Bartlett z by the trPp to the. Russian rive^ and all responded. We met and, of course, the mayor of the la rgeat

city wae made chadrman of the group; I was made vice-chairman. Davie took the chair and conduated an enthusiaatie meek*-:at which the citfetr were organized into an sffielent group, Tbt war the

lalst meeting Da-trig attended. That waa all right with me, because it gave ma a r~eehand and a chance to do something. Fbat of all we ha8 to organize a polltiedl unit with the taxing power to raise the xaoney to

build & water aptem and operate it in nine separate polltical entities. That wasntt ea hard. We didn't have much dtffianlty ca~qingan election

to do it, but fd~~ltwe needed a law, The Municipal Utility Diatrlot Act was prepared by William J. Locke, City Attorney of Alameda; Frank V. Corniah,

City Attorney of Berkeley; Leon Gray, City Attorney of Oakland; and qself, We worked hard and got together the Mnnicipal Utility Act. we were for%axnate in having an Assemblywoman to represent us, ma. Bartlett: Frank L. Saylor of Berkeley. She waa very helpful,

intelligent and baetiL;zl, When the bill was prepared, she Introduced it to the Legislature and had it referred to the ppoper committee, of which she was the chairman. She called a meeting of the cammfttes, to wMeh officers OF the oities involved were invited. The meeting was called on timne, but Oakland was not represented. We waited an hour or so and, when Osklmd didn't cone to be heard, the rest of us discn~sedand the committee approved it and agreed

to put It th~ough, Just as we were going out the door, Dade arrived with a carload of Oakland

officials whn came to fight it. Tbe committee

was called together again and listened to Daria, who made his points but didn't ix?ress the committee,

Gilb : Why had Davie changed his mina? Bartlett: Pk, DB,vie was a one-man hero and if it wasn't done by him, it wasn't right. Also, he didn't want to feel that anybody but himself was leading the group Bartlettt of cities. Why he never Came to our meeting~ J don't know,

Gilb : He c~uldhave been the Xeadetr, couldn't he7 BartPetti Of uourae he would have been the leader, but he war having a fight with the Southern Pacific. He'd established a competing ferry from the ipof of B~oadwayin Oakland to San Franciaoo to oa~~y freight, primarily. I've forgotten how mih ths fare was, but it was moh laver than the fares on the Soutbs~nPacific, He continued that fight until the Oakland Bay Bridge waa built and there waa no further use for ferries, Trucks would take thinga over instead of boatar

Anyway, Davle was never For the Eaat Bay Municipal Utility District, mve~lifted a finger for it, The law was pasaed as drafted. Them have been changer sinue .tro improve it and k> me% changing conditions, After we were using it, we Pound some thing8 that could be improved, but substantially the law ia the oame ar it war tun. The braetia is the same though some detail6 have Bartlstt: been Improved and enlarged to aover sewage disposal whioh we now have. These laws have to meek very rigid regulremen%sbeaause they need money and get; it by bond issuea which have to be sold, If the bond lawyers will not approve tb proeedure8 no

money can be had, So we had to be VBW careful. During the tMe between the palaadsge of the Distrfct AGQ Blid the formti~nof the tliatriet, Mayor Davie decided that Oakland would not join. I never learned either officially or by the grape- vfne what was Ma reason, buk I lrnow he had a fear that organizing our district might lead to the ultimate consolidation of the Eart Bay eitiea with the City of San Brancisco, in mu@& the a- way that Brooklyn had been annexed by Hew York, He announced one day that Oakland wa8 pulling out of the group trying to organite the Mun%cZpal Utility District, Immediately the~eafterthe

citfes of Alamarda, San Leandro and RiohmonB and all the other citier, in fact, all except the City of Albany -- which was then a small, lindeveloped Bartlett: and relatively unimportant village -- pulled out. That left &he City of' Berkeley and blb- the only ones working together for a water eupply. It was a heart-breaking setback, and I war Wd put to tMnk at qy next mve. Then I remembered that tfib little torn8 wound Mt. Tamalpais had organlee&for n some- what similar diatrict and aYded by William Ken*, who owned thousands of acrea in that countr$side, had organized and built t3e Alpine Dam on the flankr of the mountain, established a reservoir and a system of distribution fram San Rafael to Sansalito. It wann't a large or important distplct, with a relatively small popu2ation, but me Tmlpais area ~eceiveda great deal more raLn than the easlt side of the Bay, and much mope wate~was avraflable than was needed by the population of Marin County. In fact, it had water enough to as11 to the California Sugm Refinery at Crockett, which needed a weat deal of water in praeeasing the Bartlett: sugar which came From the, Hawaifan lalanda. A pipeline had been laid to a point on the harbor

just east of San Quentin, auld a ferry uaB filled with water and rr~dedaily trips to Crockett* It oeeurrbd to me that if there were enough water far the City of Berkeley even f~ a relatively short period of' 10 or 15 yems, then we dght put a pipeline under the waters of the Bay, following

a line new being approximately spanned by a b~itlge, I went to Kentfield. and saw William Kent,

who had done so much for the people in hie county in the development of the water district; end also saw a number of members of the Bo-d that operated it and got tbir encouragement for my projeat. Then one Honday morning I called a meeting of all the newspaper reports~ffin Berkeley and the East Ray and explained to them that Berkeley was planning to go 5 t alone, or with Albarly If the City Council

agreed, and put a pipeline under the Bay and get our water f~omthe Tamalpais area. I gave them quite a rosy plcture of it and invited them all Bartlett: to a piunia on the following Sunday on the shores of the a~tifiaidlake at Kentfield, They gave the story a fine play and I kept feeding them more material a11 during the week, so that when Sunday came around a lot of people knew about tihe project and were very much interested. Be~keleyhad been a great sufferer fmm water famfne, We had a wonderful picnic and still more fine publicity. All the newspaper boys worked with the greatest enthusiasm and every day they had a new atory or two, After about t en days of this, the va~ionscities ahat had pulled out of tb organixation began talking about ~sarganiefng, At the end of the month all. of them were back in

the organization for the Municipal Utility District, I have always looked upon that as a feat, for it ce~tainlybrought water to the East Bay many years earlier tEmn tjould otbrwise have been possible. A11 it cost me was the price of the picnic! Ba~tleJttt Shortly before the oampaPgn fop bonds to build the EBMUD water system, Willtarn Randolph Hearst had bought the Oakland Bnaulrer newepaper and the old Ban PF~~C~ICOPost, imd combined thela, calllng the new Oakland paper the Post-Enquirer, The two papers were just a bout down an8 at. Har employed a ver$ fine pnblimher -- Charlee Summers Young -- a very goad friend of mlna. Young vaa liberal -- the kind of liberal willing to stiak his neck out in the campaign8 for water, He was tactful, however. Hearst was bu3lding up this Oakland paper on the campaign for water in the East Bay.

Well, hn ow long campaign, there wa~some- thing I felt ought to be done at once -- I fopget what it was -- but it could not be done withotr% Hea~kttapager. So I asked Young, as I waa going

down to bs-Angelee anyway, to glve me at letter

that would glve ~lean entree to Hearot. Aa soon as 1 got down, I get ln touch vith the mmager. mi hPs baAngeles paper and told him I had this letts~