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LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Part I -- Proceedings with Questions and Answers)
The House met at Eleven of the Clock.
Monday, May 09, 2016/ Vaisakha 19, 1938 (Saka)
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PART I – QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS Monday, May 09, 2016/Vaisakha 19, 1938 (Saka)
CONTENTS PAGES
ORAL ANSWERS TO STARRED QUESTIONS 1-31 (S.Q. 201 TO 207)
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO STARRED QUESTIONS 32-44 (S.Q. 208 TO 220)
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO UNSTARRED QUESTIONS 45-274 (U.S.Q. 2301 TO 2530)
For Proceedings other than Questions and Answers, please see Part II.
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LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Part II - Proceedings other than Questions and Answers)
Monday, May, 09, 2016/ Vaisakha 19, 1938 (Saka)
(Please see the Supplement also)
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PART II –PROCEEDINGS OTHER THAN QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS Monday, May 09, 2016/ Vaisakha 19, 1938 (Saka)
CONTENTS PAGES
RULING RE: NOTICES OF ADJOURNMENT MOTION 275
PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 276-80C
COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS 281 Action Taken Report
STANDING COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE 281-82 & TECHNOLOGY, ENVIRONMENT & FORESTS 278th to 284th Reports
STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION 282 OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 264TH REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRY – LAID
ELECTION TO COMMITTEE 283 General Council of Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad
SPECIAL MENTIONS 284-313
MATTER UNDER RULE 377 - LAID 314-37 Shri Ajay Mishra Teni 315 Shri Rattan Lal Kataria 316 Dr. Manoj Rajoria 317 Shrimati Santosh Ahlawat 318 Shri Dushyant Singh 319 Shri Bharion Prasad Mishra 320 Col. Sonaram Choudhary 321 Shri Shyama Charan Gupta 322 Shrimati Darshana Vikram Jardosh 323 Shri Bahadur Singh Koli 324
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Shri Harishchandra Chavan 325 Shri Prahlad Singh Patel 326 Shri Rajeev Satav 327 Shri Ravneet Singh 328 Prof. Saugata Roy 329 Shrimati Aparupa Poddar 330 Shri Balabhadra Majhi 331 Dr. Ravindra Babu 332 Dr. Boora Narsaiah Goud 333 Shri Sankar Prasad Datta 334 Shri Dhananjay Mahadik 335 Shri Ram Kumar Sharma 336 Shri Radheshyam Biswas 337 … 338 ANTI-HIJACKING BILL 339-93 Motion for consideration 339 Shri Ashok Gajapathi Raju 339-40 384-87 Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury 341-48 Shri Rajesh Pandey 349-52 Prof. Saugata Roy 353-57 … 358 Shri Tathagata Satpathy 359-62 Shri M. Murali Mohan 363-64 Dr. Boora Narsaiah Goud 365-66 Shri Sankar Prasad Datta 367-69 Shri Y.V. Subba Reddy 370-72 Shri Gopal Shetty 373-74 Dr. Arun Kumar 375
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Shri Dushyant Chautala 376-77 Shri Rajesh Ranjan 378-79 Shri Kaushalendra Kumar 380-81 Shri Jay Prakash Narayan Yadav 382 Shri George Baker 383 … 388-91 Motion for Consideration 392 Consideration of Clauses 392-93 Motion to Pass – Adopted 393
UTTARAKHAND BUDGET 394 MOTION RE: SUSPENSION OF RULE 205 395-400 UTTARAKHAND BUDGET – GENERAL DISCUSSION 401-55 AND DEMANDS FOR GRANTS ON ACCOUNT - UTTARAKHAND - Contd. Shri Arun Jaitley 401-05 … 406-410 Shri Gourav Gogoi 411-20 Dr. Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank 421-33 Prof. Saugata Roy 434-39 Shri Tathagata Satpathy 440-44 Shri Jitender Choudhary 445-46 Shri Mekapati Raja Mohan Reddy 447-48 Shri A.P. Jithender Reddy 449 Shri Prem Singh Chandumajra 450-51 Shri Ajay Tamta 452-55
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UTTARAKHAND BUDGET – GENERAL DISCUSSION 456- AND DEMANDS FOR GRANTS ON ACCOUNT – UTTARAKHAND Dr. Arun Kumar 457-58 Shri Jai Prakash Narayan Yadav 459 Shri Dushyant Chautala 460-61 Shrimati Mala Rajyalakshmi Shah 462-63 Shri Rajesh Ranjan 464-66 Kumari Sushmita Dev 467-69 Shri Arun Jaitley 470-78 …. 479 Demands – Voted 480
BILL INTRODUCED 481
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Uttarakhand Appropriation (Vote on Account ) Bill UTTARAKHAND APPROPRIATION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT ) BILL AND STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE: DISAPPROVAL OF UTTARAKHAND APPROPRIATION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) ORDINANCE
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(a1/1100/vr/raj) 1100 hours (Hon. Speaker in the Chair) (Q. 201) gÉÉÒ àÉÉÎããÉBÉEÉVÉÇÖxÉ JɽMÉä (MÉÖãɤÉMÉÉÇ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, ABÉE àÉci´É{ÉÚhÉÇ <¶ªÉÚ cè* ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : +É£ÉÉÒ xÉcÉÓ* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) HON. SPEAKER: Kharge ji, I have not received any notice. This will not do. Please sit down. … (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Nothing will go in record except what Shri Bidyut Baran Mahato speaks. … (Interruptions) gÉÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÖiÉ ´É®xÉ àÉciÉÉä (VÉàɶÉän{ÉÖ®): +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ |ÉvÉÉxÉàÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ xÉä BÉEcÉ cè ÉÊBÉE ®É]Å BÉEä ÉÊ´ÉBÉEÉºÉ àÉå 'gÉàÉä´É VɪÉiÉä' BÉEÉ =iÉxÉÉ cÉÒ +ÉcÉÊàɪÉiÉ cè ÉÊVÉiÉxÉÉ 'ºÉiªÉàÉä´É VɪÉiÉä' BÉEÉ cè*...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) BÉDªÉÉ ªÉc ºÉSÉ cè ÉÊBÉE BÉEàÉÇSÉÉ®ÉÒ £ÉÉÊ´ÉªÉ ÉÊxÉÉÊvÉ ºÉÆMÉ~xÉ àÉå 27,000 BÉE®Éä½ âó{ɪÉä BÉEÉÒ ÉʴɶÉÉãÉ ®ÉÉ榃 ¤ÉMÉè® nÉ´Éä BÉEä {ɽÉÒ cè, ªÉÉÊn cÉÆ iÉÉä iÉiºÉƤÉÆvÉÉÒ ¤ªÉÉè®É BÉDªÉÉ cè +ÉÉè® ´Éc MÉè® nÉ´ÉÉBÉßEkÉ £ÉÉÊ´ÉªÉ ÉÊxÉÉÊvɪÉÉä {É® nÉ´ÉÉ xÉcÉÓ ÉÊBÉEA VÉÉxÉä BÉEä BÉDªÉÉ BÉEÉ®hÉ cé? <ºÉ iÉ®c BÉEÉÒ ®BÉEàÉ {ÉEÆºÉ VÉÉxÉä +ÉÉè® ´ÉɺiÉÉÊ´ÉBÉE ãÉÉ£ÉÉÉÌlɪÉÉå iÉBÉE =ºÉBÉEä xÉ {ÉcÖÆSÉ {ÉÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ ºÉàɺªÉÉ ºÉä ÉÊxÉVÉÉiÉ {ÉÉxÉä cäiÉÖ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® uÉ®É BÉDªÉÉ ={ÉÉªÉ ÉÊBÉEA VÉÉ ®cä cé?...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA: Madam Speaker, I have already given it in detail in the reply. We have simplified the claim settlement process. Earlier the claim settlement process was in four stages. We have reduced it down to only two stages. … (Interruptions)
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Second, the dealing hand for claims up to Rs.25,000 will either be the Section Officer or the Supervisor. Then, the dealing hand for claims above Rs.25,000 will be the Accountant. We have also brought down the time taken for settlement of claims from 30 days to 20 days. Third, whatever the case maybe, 83 per cent cases are settled in only three days and in 10 days, 98 per cent claims are settled. All the payments are made by NEFT, that is, National Electronic Fund Transfer system. We have settled down up to 99 per cent cases. For online transfer of claims, we have also adopted a very innovative method. We have started an Online Transfer Claim Portal (OTCP). Till now 8,43,000 claims have been settled through this service. I wish to bring it to the notice of the hon. Members that if Aadhaar numbers of employees are seeded in their Universal Account Number (UAN), 99 per cent of the claims will be settled and the major Comment: Fld. by b1 problem in respect of claims will be solved. (b1/1105/nsh-spr) gÉÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÖiÉ ´É®xÉ àÉciÉÉä (VÉàɶÉän{ÉÖ®): +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ |ÉvÉÉxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ uÉ®É ¶ÉÖ°ô ÉÊBÉEA MÉA nÉÒxÉnªÉÉãÉ ={ÉÉvªÉÉªÉ gÉàÉä´É VɪÉiÉä BÉEɪÉǵÉEàÉ BÉEä +ÉÆiÉMÉÇiÉ nä¶É àÉå ÉʴɶÉäÉBÉE® ZÉÉ®JÉÆb àÉå +É¤É iÉBÉE ÉÊBÉEiÉxÉä gÉÉÊàÉBÉEÉå BÉEÉä {ÉÉÒA{ÉE ABÉEÉ=Æ] {ÉÉä]æÉʤÉÉÊãÉ]ÉÒ BÉEÉÒ ºÉÖÉÊ´ÉvÉÉ nÉÒ MÉ<Ç cè* BÉEàÉÇSÉÉ®ÉÒ £ÉÉÊ´ÉªÉ ÉÊxÉÉÊvÉ ºÉÆMÉ~xÉ àÉå 27 cVÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ âó{ɪÉä ÉʴɶÉÉãÉ ®ÉÉ榃 cè* ªÉc ®ÉÉ榃 {ɽÉÒ cÖ<Ç cè* ªÉc ®BÉEàÉ £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉEä MÉ®ÉÒ¤É gÉÉÊàÉBÉEÉå BÉEä {ɺÉÉÒxÉä BÉEÉÒ BÉEàÉÉ<Ç cè* VÉàɶÉän{ÉÖ® +ÉÉètÉÉäÉÊMÉBÉE xÉMÉ®ÉÒ cè* ´ÉcÉÆ cVÉÉ®Éå =tÉÉäMÉ cé* <ÇAºÉ+ÉÉ<Ç +ɺ{ÉiÉÉãÉ àÉå àÉVÉnÚ®Éå BÉEä ãÉMÉ£ÉMÉ 2 ãÉÉJÉ 70 cVÉÉ® ®ÉÊVɺ]Åä¶ÉxÉ cé* ´ÉcÉÆ àÉÉjÉ 50 ¤Éèb BÉEÉ +ɺ{ÉiÉÉãÉ cè* ´ÉÉÇ 2014 àÉå iÉiBÉEÉãÉÉÒxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ xÉä ºÉÉè ¤Éèb BÉEä ABÉE +ɺ{ÉiÉÉãÉ
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BÉEÉ ÉʶÉãÉÉxªÉÉºÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ lÉÉ* ´ÉèºÉä £ÉÉÒ ÉÊxɪÉàÉÉxÉÖºÉÉ® VÉcÉÆ 2 ãÉÉJÉ 70 cVÉÉ® àÉVÉnÚ® cÉå, ´ÉcÉÆ BÉEàÉ ºÉä BÉEàÉ bäfà ºÉÉè ¤Éèb BÉEÉ +ɺ{ÉiÉÉãÉ cÉäxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* àÉé àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE 27 cVÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ âó{ɪÉä ¤ÉcÖiÉ ¤É½ÉÒ ®BÉEàÉ cè* nä¶É BÉEä ÉÊ´ÉÉÊ£ÉxxÉ àÉVÉnÚ®Éå BÉEä ÉÊãÉA ¤ÉxÉä cÖA <ÇAºÉ+ÉÉ<Ç +ɺ{ÉiÉÉãÉ àÉå BÉDªÉÉ <ºÉ ®BÉEàÉ BÉEÉ ªÉÚVÉ BÉE® ºÉBÉEiÉä cé? SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA: The hon. Member has raised two issues. One is related to ESIC, which is not related to this Question. Even then, regarding the Jamshedpur issue, I will sit with him and see if we can provide any facilities which would lead to betterment of services. Regarding the PPF amount for workers, as far as my knowledge goes, our EPFO has taken new and modern initiatives and the same are put in place. As the hon. Member mentioned, our Prime Minister has started the Shramev Jayate programme along with the Shram Suvidha Portal, under which Universal Account Number (UAN) is given to the workers. In Jharkhand, we have 2.92 lakh UAN; and the number of activation took place so far is 1.78 lakh. With this, we have disposed of all the amounts to the concerned workers. BÉÖEÄ´É® cÉÊ®´ÉÆ¶É É˺Éc (|ÉiÉÉ{ÉMÉfÃ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, VÉ¤É ºÉä AxÉbÉÒA ºÉ®BÉEÉ® ºÉkÉÉ àÉå +ÉÉ<Ç cè, BÉEÉàÉMÉÉ®Éå BÉEä ºÉÆ®FÉhÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA BÉEÉ{ÉEÉÒ MÉÆ£ÉÉÒ® cè* <ºÉ ÉÊn¶ÉÉ àÉå ºÉ®BÉEÉ® xÉä BÉEÉ{ÉEÉÒ BÉEɪÉÇ ÉÊBÉEA cé* VÉèºÉä àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ àÉcÉänªÉ xÉä +É{ÉxÉä =kÉ® àÉå BÉEcÉ cè ÉÊBÉE ºÉ®BÉEÉ® xÉä BÉEàÉÇSÉÉÉÊ®ªÉÉå BÉEä nÉ´ÉÉå BÉEÉä i´ÉÉÊ®iÉ ÉÊxÉ{É]ÉxÉ cäiÉÖ ªÉÚÉÊxɴɺÉÇãÉ ABÉEÉ=Æ] xÉà¤É® JÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEÉ ÉÊxÉhÉÇªÉ ÉÊãɪÉÉ cè* ªÉc näJÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE ÉÊxɪÉÉäBÉDiÉÉ BÉEàÉÇSÉÉÉÊ®ªÉÉå BÉEä ªÉÚÉÊxɴɺÉÇãÉ ABÉEÉ=Æ] xÉà¤É® JÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEä |ÉÉÊiÉ =nɺÉÉÒxÉ ®ciÉä cé* +ÉiÉ: àÉé àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ àÉcÉänªÉ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE +É¤É iÉBÉE ÉÊBÉEiÉxÉä BÉEàÉÇSÉÉÉÊ®ªÉÉå BÉEä ªÉÚÉÊxɴɺÉÇãÉ ABÉEÉ=Æ] xÉà¤É® JÉÉäãÉä MÉA cé? BÉDªÉÉ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® xÉä nä¶É àÉå ÉκlÉiÉ ºÉ£ÉÉÒ BÉEàÉÇSÉÉÉÊ®ªÉÉå BÉEä ªÉÚÉÊxɴɺÉÇãÉ
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ABÉEÉ=Æ] xÉà¤É® JÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEÉ BÉEÉä<Ç ãÉFªÉ ®JÉÉ cè? ªÉÉÊn cÉÆ, iÉÉä BÉE¤É iÉBÉE +ÉÉè® ªÉÉÊn xÉcÉÓ iÉÉä <ºÉBÉEä BÉDªÉÉ BÉEÉ®hÉ cé? VÉÉä <à{ãÉÉìªÉ® {ÉèºÉä BÉEÉ] ãÉäiÉä cé ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ £É®iÉä xÉcÉÓ cé, =xÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA nÆb BÉEÉ BÉDªÉÉ |ÉÉäÉÊ´ÉVÉxÉ cè? HON. SPEAKER: The issue is not related to this Question. But if the hon. Minister wants to respond to the same, he can do so. SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA: Hon. Member has posed a very good question. There is a lot of confusion about inoperative amount. Some people think that it is an unclaimed amount. It is not an unclaimed amount. It is called inoperative amount. In total we have Rs.43,000 crore of inoperative amount. I am happy to inform this august House that we have launched `One Member, One EPF Account’ last week to reduce inoperative accounts. We have launched the other initiative which has helped workers to provide information and seek help about the accounts. I am also happy to inform that in March, 2016, in the 212th Central Board of Trustees meeting, we have decided to credit interest rates to all our EPF members who have inoperative accounts. From 2011 to 2014, the UPA Government could not give interest and reimburse the workers. The other important initiative which we have taken is the Universal Account Number. Totally, we have given 6.78 crore UAN to Comment: Cd by c workers.
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Comment: Dattatreya contd. (c1/1110/san-nk) We have activated 2.58 crores of them. The other thing is about the penal provision and attachment of bank account. If any defaulter is there, it will proceed and prosecution will also be there. For any violation of provisions of the Act, definitely the prosecution will take place. gÉÉÒ |ÉcãÉÉn É˺Éc {É]äãÉ (nàÉÉäc) :+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉ, àÉé ºÉ¤ÉºÉä {ÉcãÉä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉä ¤ÉvÉÉ<Ç nÚÆMÉÉ, ªÉÚÉÊxɴɺÉÇãÉ ABÉEÉ>óÆ] xÉƤɮ ºÉä {ÉcãÉä VÉÉä ãÉÚ] cÉäiÉÉÒ lÉÉÒ ´Éc âóBÉE MÉ< cè* ~äBÉEänÉ® BÉEä {ÉÉºÉ xÉà¤É® cÉäiÉÉ lÉÉ +ÉÉè® àÉVÉnÚ® BÉEÉä {ÉèºÉÉ xÉcÉÓ ÉÊàÉãÉiÉÉ lÉÉ =ºÉBÉEÉ £ÉÉÒ ®ÉºiÉÉ ÉÊxÉBÉEãÉ MɪÉÉ* ºÉàɺªÉÉ iÉ¤É +ÉÉiÉÉÒ cè VÉ¤É +ɺÉÆMÉÉÊ~iÉ FÉäjÉ BÉEÉ àÉVÉnÚ® ÉÊ£ÉxxÉ ÉÊ£ÉxxÉ VÉMÉc {É® BÉEÉàÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cè +ÉÉè® +ÉÉìÉÊ{ÉEÉʺɪÉãÉ iÉ®ÉÒBÉEä ºÉä xÉcÉÓ VÉÉiÉÉ cè iÉÉä =ºÉBÉEÉ £ÉÉÒ BÉDãÉäàÉ ¤ÉxÉiÉÉ cè ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ VÉ¤É xÉA xÉà¤É® BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ +ÉÉiÉÉÒ cè VÉ¤É +ɺÉÆMÉÉÊ~iÉ BÉEÉ àÉVÉnÚ® ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ FÉäjÉ àÉå BÉEÉàÉ BÉE®xÉä VÉÉiÉÉ cè, {Éå¶ÉxÉ 99± ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉä {ÉcÖÆSÉ ®cÉÒ cè* ªÉÉÊn MÉÉÆ´É ºÉä SÉãÉxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ àÉVÉnÚ® ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ BÉEä ZÉÉƺÉä àÉå +ÉÉBÉE® BÉEÉàÉ BÉE®xÉä ãÉMÉiÉÉ cè iÉÉä BÉDªÉÉ =ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå BÉÖEU BªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ cè* +ÉMÉ® ´Éc +É{ÉxÉÉ xÉà¤É® SÉÉciÉÉ cè iÉÉä =ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA BÉEÉä<Ç cäã{É ãÉÉ 14 Delhi, we are going to start this pilot project. In Hyderabad also, we are starting this pilot project. In the unorganised sector, the third category is of scheme- workers – anganwadi workers, mid-day meal scheme workers and ASHA workers. We are going to take that category of people also. Regarding his question, already I have informed you that UAN Help Desk is there and through that, 122 officers, all of our field officers, are connected. We have also put in place the grievance redressal system. 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By RJS) (e1/1120/sh-rjs) SHRI BAIJAYANT JAY PANDA (KENDRAPARA): Madam, I thank the hon. Minister for her comprehensive reply on the question. Even otherwise, she has been responsive to the problems of Kendriya Vidyalayas. My question is regarding Navodaya Vidyalayas. In today’s environment where both the Central and State Governments are promoting many model schools to address the problems of primary and secondary education in their States, Navodaya Vidyalayas have been a model for many decades, particularly in the residential model where teachers stay there. 19 I would like to bring to the Minister’s attention many problems being faced in Navodaya Vidyalayas on two counts. One is the infrastructure is getting old; they need renovation. Teachers do not get the same facilities which the new model schools and charter schools are supposed to get. In fact, I myself have forwarded to the Ministry the complaints of certain Navodaya teachers regarding their facilities and pension. I would urge the hon. Minister to take corrective steps to bring the Navodaya facilities for teachers and the infrastructure on the same basis as what the new proposals are coming up because they have served this country very well for the last many decades. SHRIMATI SMRITI ZUBIN IRANI: Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. Member for highlighting various challenges that have gripped Navodaya Vidyalayas or for that matter even Kendriya Vidyalayas in terms of infrastructure which is old and needs added impetus and help from the Government of India. Let me also highlight to the hon. Member that both in Kendriya Vidyalaya and Navodaya Vidyalaya, through the main regional offices, we have also directed them to map the infrastructural needs of schools across the country so that adequate benefit and monetary support can be given for them, so that they can enhance their infrastructural capabilities. There are many hon. Members of Parliament who time and again approach us for increasing capacity in terms of classes or sections in Kendriya Vidyalayas, which is also something that given adequate finances, we try and support. 20 Insofar as the facilities to be given to the Navodaya Vidyalaya teachers are concerned, this is an issue that has been raised not only by the hon. Member of Parliament but many parliamentarians with regard to the pensions that they get. I have, in my responses to them, highlighted that they were given an option to pick before a new pension initiative was undertaken within the Navodaya fraternity, and those who made an option or took a choice, today possibly in hindsight wanted to retract and go back and have the Government revisit it, which is currently not a possibility financially. I have adequately responded to not only every other Member of Parliament, but also the hon. Member of Parliament who has highlighted this particular introspection in his communication to me. gÉÉÒ nqxÉ ÉÊàÉgÉÉ (gÉɴɺiÉÉÒ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE {ÉÚ´ÉÇ àÉå ºlÉÉÉÊ{ÉiÉ {ÉÖ®ÉxÉä xÉ´ÉÉänªÉ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÉãɪÉÉå àÉ å BÉDªÉÉ àÉÉxÉBÉE BÉEä +ÉxÉÖ°ô{É £É´ÉxÉ ÉÊxÉàÉÉÇhÉ cÉäBÉE® BÉEFÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ BÉEÉ ºÉÆSÉÉãÉxÉ cÉä ®cÉ cè? àÉä®ä ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ FÉäjÉ BÉEä nÉäxÉÉå VÉxÉ{ÉnÉå BÉEä xÉ´ÉÉänªÉ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÉãɪÉÉå àÉå àÉÉxÉBÉE BÉEä +ÉxÉÖ°ô{É £É´ÉxÉ xÉ cÉäxÉä BÉEÉÒ ´ÉVÉc ºÉä ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ +ÉÉvÉÉÒ ºÉÉÒ]Éå {É® cÉÒ AbÉÊàɶÉxÉ cÉä ®cÉ cè* càÉÉ®ä ªÉcÉÆ gÉɴɺiÉÉÒ àÉå 80 ºÉÉÒ]Éå BÉEä +ÉMÉäxº] ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ 40 ºÉÉÒ]Éå {É® AbÉÊàɶÉxÉ cÉä ®cÉ cè* ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) <ºÉBÉEä +ÉãÉÉ´ÉÉ <Æ]®àÉÉÒÉÊbA] BÉEÉÒ BÉDãÉɺÉå £ÉÉÒ xÉcÉÓ SÉãÉ {ÉÉ ®cÉÓ +ÉÉè® cÉ<Ç ºBÉÚEãÉ {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉä BÉEä ¤ÉÉn ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEÉä àÉÉ 21 àÉé àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE àÉä®ä ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ FÉäjÉ BÉEä gÉɴɺiÉÉÒ +ÉÉè® ¤ÉãÉ®ÉàÉ{ÉÖ® BÉEä xÉ´ÉÉänªÉ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÉãɪÉÉå BÉEÉ àÉÉxÉBÉE BÉEä +ÉxÉÖ°ô{É £É´ÉxÉ ÉÊxÉàÉÉÇhÉ cÉäBÉE® BÉEFÉÉ+ÉÉäÆ BÉEÉ ºÉÆSÉÉãÉxÉ BÉE¤É iÉBÉE cÉäMÉÉ? gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ ºàÉßÉÊiÉ WÉÚÉʤÉxÉ <®ÉxÉÉÒ : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, VÉèºÉÉ ÉÊBÉE àÉéxÉä {ÉÚ´ÉÇ BÉEä |ɶxÉ BÉEä =kÉ® àÉå ºÉnxÉ BÉEÉä +É´ÉMÉiÉ BÉE®ÉªÉÉ ÉÊBÉE càÉ xÉ´ÉÉänªÉ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÉãÉªÉ +ÉÉè® BÉEäxpÉÒªÉ ÉÊ´ÉtÉÉãÉªÉ BÉEä 22 (|ɶxÉ 203) gÉÉÒ c®ÉÒ¶ÉSÉxp ={ÉEÇ c®ÉÒ¶É ÉÊu´ÉänÉÒ (¤ÉºiÉÉÒ) : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, àÉä®É |ɶxÉ àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÉxÉ´É ºÉƺÉÉvÉxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä nÚ®ºlÉ ÉʶÉFÉÉ ºÉä ºÉƤÉÆÉÊvÉiÉ cè* ´ÉÉÇ 2009 àÉå <ÆÉÊbªÉxÉ +ÉÉàÉÉÔ +ÉÉè® 23 BÉEÉÒ BÉEà{ÉãÉå] +ÉÉ<Ç lÉÉÒ* £ÉÉ®iÉ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® xÉä 24 Comment: Smriti irani cd (g1/1130/ind/kmr) States in conjunction with the regulator have taken appropriate action so that students are in no way inconvenienced. 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ÉÊBÉE®ÉÒ] ºÉÉäàÉèªÉÉ (àÉÖà¤É<Ç =kÉ® {ÉÚ´ÉÇ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, {ÉÉ<{É ãÉÉ 27 SHRI KONDA VISHWESHWAR REDDY (CHEVELLA): Under the present system for development of city gas distribution network, the Petroleum and Natural Gas Regulatory Board under the 2006 Act grants authorization to entities for developing the network in specified geographical areas of the country. Therefore, if a State has more geographical areas, the network will be better. Telangana currently has one as opposed to five in Andhra Pradesh and 22 in Gujarat. The one in Telangana is in Hyderabad. My question to the Minister is what is the basis of deciding the number and the location of GS in a particular State and does the Ministry have any plan to increase the number of GS in the newly formed State of Telangana to cover cities like Khammam, Vikarabad and Warangal? SHRIMATI NIRMALA SITHARAMAN: The procedure through which city distribution network selects or chooses or finalizes on pipeline network depends first of all on the gas connectivity and the pipeline connectivity. As and when there are geographical areas identified which is a revenue district and the State Government and the private parties do express an intent based on the connectivity, those decisions are taken. 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Mr. Minister. 32 (Q.206) gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉÉÒ´É ºÉÉiÉ´É (ÉËcMÉÉäãÉÉÒ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä àÉÖZÉä |ɶxÉ {ÉÚUxÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA àÉÉèBÉEÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ, <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn näiÉÉ cÚÆ* |ÉÉ<É˺ÉMÉ +ÉÉì{ÉE {Éä]ÅÉäÉÊãɪÉàÉ |ÉÉäbBÉD]弃 BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå ªÉc ºÉ´ÉÉãÉ cè* VÉèºÉÉ càÉ VÉÉxÉiÉä cé ÉÊBÉE +ÉÆiÉ®ÉÇ]ÅÉÒªÉ ºiÉ® {É® {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ BÉEä |ÉÉ<ºÉäVÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cn iÉBÉE BÉEàÉ cÖA cé* +ÉÆiÉ®ÉÇ]ÅÉÒªÉ ºiÉ® {É® {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ BÉEÉ VÉÉä nÉàÉ cè, BÉDªÉÉ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® =ºÉÉÒ ºiÉ® {É® £ÉÉ®iÉ àÉå £ÉÉÒ {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ näxÉä BÉEÉÒ ÉÊn¶ÉÉ àÉå ºÉÉäSÉ ®cÉÒ cè? SHRIMATI NIRMALA SITHARAMAN): Madam Speaker, I think this is a question on which several times hon. Members have raised their concerns and the Minister concerned for whom I am standing in today has also answered. I would try to explain this because the price of international crude is one thing and you get the crude and refine it. Today, with the Trade Parity Pricing (TPP), that is in practice, the prices of petroleum and also of kerosene are all linked with the international prices. As the hon. Member would know, the oil marketing companies are no longer just dealing with the controlled prices. ATF has been market determined since 2001; petrol has been market determined from 2010; and diesel is market determined from December of 2014. So as always, the effort of the Government is to link it with the market price but of course there are other things which are added on like excise duties, VATs by the States and other levies of the State Governments and that price is normally passed on. I think I would just like to quote here using this opportunity that the number of increases which were passed on, unfortunately, to the 33 consumer on petrol 21 times whereas the decreases which have been passed on are 32 times. Similarly, in diesel 28 times increases have been passed on, which is unfortunate but 19 times decreases have also been passed on. The effort of the Government has always been to pass on decreases but there are times when you are expected to bring in revenues through this because you need to invest in roads laying, infrastructure creation and so on. gÉÉÒ +ÉxÉÖ®ÉMÉ É˺Éc ~ÉBÉÖE® (càÉÉÒ®{ÉÖ®): +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, ÉÊVÉºÉ iÉ®c ºÉä àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ xÉä ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ ÉÊBÉE VÉ¤É µÉEÚb +ÉɪÉãÉ BÉEä +ÉÆiÉ®ÉÇ]ÅÉÒªÉ àÉÚãªÉ BÉEàÉ cÉäiÉä cé iÉÉä £ÉÉ®iÉ àÉå £ÉÉÒ =ºÉBÉEÉ +ɺɮ {ɽiÉÉ cè* <ºÉBÉEÉ àÉci´É{ÉÚhÉÇ ÉÊcººÉÉ ªÉc £ÉÉÒ cè ÉÊBÉE ÉÊ®{ÉEÉ 34 really not right. It is because the profit after tax as a percentage of the total turnover is very low. I can probably even quote one example. In 2013-14 the profit after tax as a percentage of turnover was 1.34 per cent and profit after tax in 2014-15 has been 1.49. So, the oil marketing PSUs have also suffered due to major inventory loss due to fall in crude price. They buy it in one price and then later the prices come down even further. So, during the nine months of 2014-15, I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Member that the oil marketing companies had incurred an inventory loss of Rs. 29234 crore and Rs. 11451 crore in petrol respectively which have not been compensated to the oil companies. So, they do have their difficulties and then the price is also not related to the cost of production, but to international prices. So, I just want to assure the hon. Member that efforts are being made so that efficient practices are improved in refineries by modernizing the refineries, by energy conservation and by cost optimization. All these can bring better situation there. gÉÉÒ VÉMÉnÉÎà¤ÉBÉEÉ {ÉÉãÉ (bÖàÉÉÊ®ªÉÉMÉÆVÉ): +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ xÉä º´ÉÉÒBÉEÉ® ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ BÉEä nÉàÉ ´ÉÉÇ 2013 ºÉä 32 ¤ÉÉ® PÉ]ä cé +ÉÉè® bÉÒVÉãÉ BÉEä nÉàÉ 19 ¤ÉÉ® PÉ]ä cé* àÉé <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉä vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn näiÉÉ cÚÆ* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ àÉé ABÉE SÉÉÒVÉ +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ ºÉä VÉÉxÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE 1.04.2013 BÉEÉä +ÉMÉ® {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ BÉEÉÒ BÉEÉÒàÉiÉ 68.31 âó{ɪÉä |ÉÉÊiÉ ãÉÉÒ]® lÉÉÒ +ÉÉè® bÉÒVÉãÉ 48.63 âó{ɪÉä |ÉÉÊiÉ ãÉÉÒ]® lÉÉ* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉÉVÉ ªÉc PÉ]BÉE® BÉEä 62.59 âó{ɪÉä |ÉÉÊiÉ ãÉÉÒ]® {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ cÉä MɪÉÉ cè +ÉÉè® bÉÒVÉãÉ 50.95 âó{ɪÉä |ÉÉÊiÉ ãÉÉÒ]® cÉä MɪÉÉ cè* +ÉÉVÉ ªÉc àÉÉÉÌBÉE] bÅÉÒ´ÉxÉ cè +ÉÉè® BÉEà{ÉÉÊxɪÉÉÆ nÉàÉ iÉªÉ BÉE®iÉÉÒ cé, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <Æ]®xÉä¶ÉxÉãÉ àÉÉÉÌBÉE] àÉå VÉ¤É µÉEÚb +ÉÉìªÉãÉ BÉEä 35 nÉàÉÉå àÉå BÉEàÉÉÒ +ÉÉiÉÉÒ cè iÉÉä nä¶É àÉå {Éä]ÅÉäãÉ +ÉÉè® bÉÒVÉãÉ BÉEä nÉàÉ BÉEàÉ BÉE®xÉä BÉEä BÉEà{ÉÉÊxɪÉÉå BÉEä BÉDªÉÉ {Éè®ÉàÉÉÒ]ºÉÇ cé? BÉDªÉÉ <ºÉBÉEÉ BÉEÉä<Ç ABÉE ÉÊxÉvÉÉÇÉÊ®iÉ àÉÉxÉnÆb cè, ªÉÉÊn cè, iÉÉä ´Éc BÉDªÉÉ cè? SHRIMATI NIRMALA SITHARAMAN: Madam Speaker, the prices of what gets into the market here are determined by various factors and as a I said sometime earlier in answering one of the questions, the market price is one thing and the retail selling price is another thing. The price which is getting fixed based on international crude price also has components which go into it which I explained whether it is Excise or VAT and the marketing costs and the marketing margins which these companies will have to take into consideration. Obviously the hon. Member has gone into specific details of what price prevailed at one point of time and what actually prevails now. I can take the example of July and August, 2014 and say if petrol was at Rs. 73.60, actually could have reached a certain price but because the additions which are made like Excise Duty, the VAT – I can give you the specific amounts, like 1773 it was Rs. 12 and Rs. 5.81 – costs get added on which are not fluctuating as per the international things. These Excise Duties and VAT and other things are fixed here and they are not volatile to the international pricing situation and so obviously the price is very much dependent on very many factors other than what the international price alone is. 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BY M1 (n1/1200/gg-ksp) RULING RE: NOTICES OF ADJOURNMENT MOTION 1202 hours HON. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, I have received notices of Adjournment Motion from Shri Jai Prakash Narayan Yadav, Shri Rajesh Ranjan, Shri Bhagwant Mann, Dr. M. Veerappa Moily, and Prof. Saugata Roy on different issues. The matters though important do not warrant interruption of business of the day. The matters can be raised through other opportunities. I have, therefore, disallowed all the notices of Adjournment Motion. 41 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 1203 hours HON. SPEAKER: Now Papers to be laid. THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRIMATI SMRITI ZUBIN IRANI): Madam, I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Mid-Day Meal Rules, 2015 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S.R.743(E) in Gazette of India dated 30th September, 2015 under sub-section (3) of Section 39 of the National Food Security Act, 2013. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND EMPLOYMENT (SHRI BANDARU DATTATREYA): Madam, I beg to lay on the Table (1) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under sub-section (2) of Section 7 of the Employees’ Provident Fund and Miscellaneous Provisions Act, 1952:- (i) The Employees Provident Funds (Third Amendment) Scheme, 2015 published in Notification No. G.S.R. 93(E) in Gazette of India dated 20th January, 2016. (ii) The Employees’ Pension (Second Amendment) Scheme, 2016 published in Notification No. G.S.R.440(E) in Gazette of India dated 25th April, 2016. (2) Statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at item No. (i) of (1) above. 42 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI NIRMALA SITHARAMAN): Madam, on behalf of Shri Dharmendra Pradhan, I beg to lay on the Table:- (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Oil Industry Development Board, New Delhi, for the year 2014-2015, alongwith Audited Accounts. (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English versions) by the Government of the working of the Oil Industry Development Board, New Delhi, for the year 2014-2015. (2) Statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above. (3) A copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under Section 62 of the Petroleum and Natural Gas Regulatory Board Act, 2006:- (i) The Petroleum and Natural Gas Regulatory Board (Technical Standards and Specifications including Safety Standards for city or Local Natural Gas Distribution Networks) Amendment Regulations, 2016 published in Notification No. F. No. M(1)T4S/CGD/1/2010 in Gazette of India dated 11th March, 2016. (ii) The Petroleum and Natural Gas Regulatory Board (Authorizing Entities to Lay, Build, Operate or Expand Petroleum and Petroleum Products Pipelines) Regulations, 43 2010 published in Notification No. F. No. VKS/DB/03/PPL in Gazette of India dated 30th March, 2016. 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(2) Two Hundred Seventy-ninth Report on Demands for Grants (2016-2017) of the Department of Space. 47 (3) Two Hundred Eightieth Report on Demands for Grants (2016-2017) of the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research. (4) Two Hundred Eighty-first Report on Demands for Grants (2016-2017) of the Department of Science & Technology. (5) Two Hundred Eighty-second Report on Demands for Grants (2016-2017) of the Department of Atomic Energy. (6) Two Hundred Eighty-third Report on Demands for Grants (2016- 2017) of the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change. (7) Two Hundred Eighty-fourth Report on Demands for Grants (2016-2017) of the Ministry of Earth Sciences. Comment: (Fd. by o1) --- (o1/1205/cs-rcp) STATEMENT RE: STATUS OF IMPLEMENTTION OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN 264TH REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRY-- LAID ºÉÚFàÉ, ãÉPÉÖ +ÉÉè® àÉvªÉàÉ =tÉàÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ BÉEãÉ®ÉVÉ ÉÊàÉgÉ) : àÉé àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ, ãÉÉäBÉE ºÉ£ÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊxÉnä¶É {É® +ÉÉè® ãÉÉäBÉE ºÉ£ÉÉ ¤ÉÖãÉäÉÊ]xÉ ÉÊnxÉÉÆBÉE 01 ÉʺÉiÉà¤É®, 2004 àÉå ÉÊxÉÉÊciÉ ãÉÉäBÉE ºÉ£ÉÉ BÉEɪÉÇ ºÉÆSÉÉãÉxÉ +ÉÉè® |ÉÉʵÉEªÉÉ ÉÊxɪÉàÉÉ´ÉãÉÉÒ BÉEä ={ɤÉÆvÉÉå BÉEä +ÉxÉֺɮhÉ àÉå =tÉÉäMÉ {É® ÉÊ´É£ÉÉMÉ ºÉƤÉÆvÉÉÒ ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ ºlÉɪÉÉÒ ºÉÉÊàÉÉÊiÉ BÉEÉÒ 264´ÉÉÓ ÉÊ®{ÉÉä]Ç àÉå ÉÊxÉÉÊciÉ ÉʺÉ{ÉEÉÉÊ®¶ÉÉå BÉEä BÉEɪÉÉÇx´ÉªÉxÉ BÉEÉÒ ÉκlÉÉÊiÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå ABÉE ´ÉBÉDiÉBªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ {É]ãÉ {É® ®JÉiÉÉ cÚÄ* 48 --- 49 ELECTION TO COMMITTEE General Council of Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRIMATI SMRITI ZUBIN IRANI): I beg to move: “That in pursuance of rule 4 (ii) to (iv) read with rule 15(3) of the Rules and Regulations of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, the members of this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as the Speaker may direct, two members from amongst themselves, to serve as members of the General Council of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, subject to the other provisions of the said Rules and Regulations.” HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That in pursuance of rule 4 (ii) to (iv) read with rule 15(3) of the Rules and Regulations of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, the members of this House do proceed to elect, in such manner as the Speaker may direct, two members from amongst themselves, to serve as members of the General Council of the Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad, subject to the other provisions of the said Rules and Regulations.” The motion was adopted. --- 50 SPECIAL MENTIONS 1207 hours HON. SPEAKER: Now, ‘Zero Hour’; Shri Idris Ali. … (Interruptions) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : gÉÉÒ 51 àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : +ÉÉ{É +É{ÉxÉÉÒ VÉMÉc {É® VÉÉ 52 cross the level crossing, particularly the patients are the suffered most. … (Interruptions) Apart from this, I would like to draw the attention of the Ministry to speed up 24 kilometres double line projects between Sondaliya to Champapukur and to replace all passenger racks with 12 coaches and more frequencies of trains.… (Interruptions) I also demand a ladies special train from Hasnabad to Sealdah stations in the morning and Comment: Contd. by p1 back in evening. Comment: Sh. Idris cd… (p1/1210/rp-hcb) With the growth of population, there has been a cherished demand of a halt-station at Uttar Debipur between Bhyabla halt and Champapukur stations. The deepest regret is that there are no regular RPF security personnel in the first two trains and night shuttles.… (Interruptions) The Government should take special attention immediately. … (Interruptions) Before I conclude, I would like to request the Government to urgently take-up the extension project of Hasnabad station to Shamshernagar. … (Interruptions) I hope that the hon. 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Home Minister, through you, that Arunachal Pradesh (AP) is the land of peace. It is known as the island of peace. It is one of the most beautiful States in the country. But it is very unfortunate that three Districts, which are infested by the NSCN (IM), that is, Tirap, Changlang and Longding. Now, once again AFSPA has been implemented through out the State. Now, I would like to bring to your knowledge that these three Districts are already under AFSPA and it has already been imposed in these three Districts. Once, on 27 March 2015 it had been imposed, but because the people had objected to it, so it had been withdrawn. Now, once again AFSPA has been imposed in AP. I would request, through you, to the hon. Home Minister that this is a State, which is known as the island of peace. So, it may give some wrong message to the people of that area. Hence, we would request that AFSPA should once again be withdrawn. 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BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): I thank you, Madam, for giving me the opportunity to raise an important issue. … (Interruptions) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : ®ÉVÉä¶É VÉÉÒ, ¤ÉèÉÊ~A* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) HON. SPEAKER: Shri Ashwini Kumar Choubey Ji, what is all this? 72 … (Interruptions) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : +ɶ´ÉxÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ, ¤ÉèÉÊ~A* ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcxÉä BÉEÉ àÉÉèBÉEÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ* ÉÊSÉããÉÉxÉä ºÉä xÉcÉÓ cÉäMÉÉ, ´ÉcÉÆ VÉÉBÉE® ãÉÉʽA* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) DR. BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): Madam, the recent survey by CMS shows Railways as one of the shining departments. I appreciate the efforts of Shri Suresh Prabhu in this respect. ¶Éc®ÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉBÉEÉºÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ´ÉÉºÉ +ÉÉè® ¶Éc®ÉÒ MÉ®ÉÒ¤ÉÉÒ ={ɶÉàÉxÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ iÉlÉÉ ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ BÉEɪÉÇ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ AàÉ. ´ÉéBÉE說ÉÉ xÉɪÉbÚ) : +ÉÉ{É SÉäªÉ® ºÉä BÉEciÉä cé ÉÊBÉE ÉÊ®BÉEÉbÇ àÉå xÉcÉÓ VÉÉAMÉÉ, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ ´Éä ãÉÉäMÉ xÉcÉÓ ºÉÖxÉiÉä cé, àÉÉÒÉÊbªÉÉ àÉå +ÉÉ ®cÉ cè* AàɺÉÉÒ+ÉÉ<Ç ABÉE ¤ÉÉìbÉÒ cè, =ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA AäºÉä +-+ ¶É¤n BÉEÉ |ɪÉÉäMÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : àÉéxÉä ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ cè* gÉÉÒ AàÉ. ´ÉéBÉE說ÉÉ xÉɪÉbÚ : +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä BÉEcÉ cè, ªÉcÉÆ ÉÊ®BÉEÉbÇ àÉå xÉcÉÓ +ÉÉAMÉÉ ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ ´ÉcÉÆ ÉÊ®BÉEÉìbÇ àÉå +ÉÉAMÉÉ* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : ªÉc iÉÉä BÉEÉä]Ç BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ cè, càÉ £ÉÉÒ BÉDªÉÉ BÉE®å? gÉÉÒ AàÉ. ´ÉéBÉE說ÉÉ xÉɪÉbÚ: <ºÉBÉEä ÉÊãÉA lÉÉä½É VÉÉMÉâóBÉE cÉäxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* VÉ¤É º{ÉÉÒBÉE® BÉEÉÒ SÉäªÉ® ºÉä BÉÖEU ¤ÉÉiÉ +ÉÉiÉÉÒ cè, It is binding on the media also. DR. BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): The Railway Minister is doing a good job and I compliment him for that. Since the time I became a Member of Parliament, I have been requesting for the stoppage of two trains at Jangaon, which is going to be the district headquarters and which is 80 kilometres away from Hyderabad. Most Comment: Cd by y1 of the employees in the private sector travel by those trains. They are Seemapuri Express and the Charminar Express. I take this opportunity 73 to again impress upon the Railway Minister to yield to my request in the interest of the small time employees. 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The works were undertaken with machines whereas the aim of NREGA is to provide manual unskilled work. For 2016-17, Government of Andhra Pradesh decided to spend Rs.4,764 crore under NREGA. Out of this, it decided to divert Rs.3,500 crore for other works such as construction of CC Roads and Neeru-Chettu programme by blatantly violating the guidelines of NREGA. Secondly, the ruling party appointed illegal Janmabhoomi Committees which is a gross violation of the Constitution. It is all happening at a time when the State itself declared 359 Mandals as drought and poor are screaming for work under NREGA. There is also criticism and rightly so that the ruling party is giving unapproved works on nomination basis to workers of the ruling party. gÉÉÒ ¤ÉãÉ£Ép àÉÉZÉÉÒ (xɤɮÆMÉ{ÉÖ®): àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, 6 iÉÉ®ÉÒJÉ BÉEÉä AªÉ® <ÆÉÊbªÉÉ BÉEä {ÉDãÉÉ<] ºÉÆJªÉÉ 073 ºÉä àÉé ÉÊnããÉÉÒ ºÉä £ÉÖ´ÉxÉ䶴ɮ VÉÉ ®cÉ lÉÉ* ºÉÉfÃä U& ¤ÉVÉä {ÉDãÉÉ<] BÉEÉÒ =bÉxÉ ÉÊxÉvÉÉÇÉÊ®iÉ lÉÉÒ, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ BÉE®ÉÒ¤É {ÉÉèxÉä ºÉÉiÉ ¤ÉVÉä ¤ÉèBÉE +ÉÉ>ó] ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ, ªÉc ®xÉ-´Éä {É® VÉÉBÉE® ´ÉÉ{ÉºÉ +ÉÉ MɪÉÉÒ +ÉÉè® JɽÉÒ cÉä MɪÉÉÒ* <ºÉ ºÉƤÉÆvÉ àÉå {ÉɪÉãÉ] ªÉÉ AªÉ® cÉìº]äºÉ BÉEä uÉ®É BÉEÉä<Ç ºÉÚSÉxÉÉ xÉcÉÓ nÉÒ MɪÉÉÒ* {ÉÚUxÉä {É® ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ MɪÉÉ ÉÊBÉE BÉÖEU ]äBÉDxÉÉÒBÉEãÉ {ÉEÉìã] cè* =ºÉàÉå ºÉÖvÉÉ® BÉE®BÉEä =bÉxÉ £É®äMÉÉÒ* =ºÉ ÉÊ´ÉàÉÉxÉ xÉä nÉä PÉÆ]ä ¤ÉÉ =bÉxÉ £É®ÉÒ* àÉä®É BÉEcxÉÉ cè ÉÊBÉE VÉ¤É {ÉDãÉÉ<]弃 BÉEÉ ®äMÉÖãÉ® ºÉä{ÉD]ÉÒ SÉäBÉE +É{É cÉäiÉÉ cè +ÉÉè® =½ÉxÉ £É®xÉä ºÉä {ÉcãÉä {ÉDãÉÉ<] BÉEÉ +ÉÉä.BÉEä. ºÉÉÌ]ÉÊ{ÉEBÉEä] £ÉÉÒ <¶ªÉÖ cÉäiÉÉ cè* ÉÊ{ÉE® £ÉÉÒ AäºÉÉ cÉäxÉä BÉEä {ÉÉÒUä BÉDªÉÉ BÉEÉ®hÉ cè? VÉ¤É àÉéxÉä AªÉ® <ÆÉÊbªÉÉ BÉEä ºÉÉÒAàÉbÉÒ ºÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEÉÒ, iÉÉä =xcÉåxÉä ¤ÉiÉɪÉÉ ÉÊBÉE {ÉÖ®ÉxÉä {ÉDãÉÉ<]弃 <ºiÉäàÉÉãÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉä VÉÉ ®cä cé, <ºÉÉÊãÉA AäºÉÉÒ ºÉàɺªÉÉ +ÉÉ ®cÉÒ cè* 78 ªÉc ºÉÖ®FÉÉ BÉEÉ àÉÉàÉãÉÉ cè* <ºÉÉÊãÉA +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® ºÉä ÉÊxÉ´ÉänxÉ cè ÉÊBÉE MÉÆ£ÉÉÒ®iÉÉ ºÉä ºÉ£ÉÉÒ ÉÊ´ÉàÉÉxÉÉå BÉEÉ SÉäBÉE +É{É cÉä, iÉ£ÉÉÒ {ÉDãÉÉ<]弃 =½ÉxÉ £É®ä* SHRI S.P. MUDDAHANUME GOWDA (TUMKUR): Madam Speaker, this august House is now discussing about the drought situation prevailing in the country. The same situation is prevailing in Karnataka also. Whenever there is severe drought or consistent drought situation is prevailing in Karnataka or in any part of the country, the worst affected will be the farmers. Because of this continuous drought situation there will be failure of the crops. As a consequential effect, the farmer who raises loans from the banks will not be in a position to repay the loans to the banks. Consequently, the farmers commit suicide in the rural areas. I, therefore, would request the Union Government to show magnanimity in coming to the rescue of farmers by waiving Comment: Fld by A2 farmers’ loans from the nationalized banks. (a2/1300/rps-gm) gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉÉÒ´É ºÉÉiÉ´É (ÉËcMÉÉäãÉÉÒ) : +ÉvªÉFÉ VÉÉÒ, àÉ®É~É ºÉÉ©ÉÉVªÉ BÉEä ºÉ®nÉ® àÉãcÉ® ®É´É VÉÉÒ cÉäãBÉE® BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉcÚ +ÉÉÊcãªÉÉ nä´ÉÉÒ cÉäãBÉE® VÉÉÒ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå ºÉnxÉ BÉEä ºÉÉàÉxÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ ®JÉxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ cÚÆ* +ÉÉÊcãªÉÉ nä´ÉÉÒ BÉEÉä ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ àÉvªÉ |Énä¶É cÉÒ xÉcÉÓ, ¤ÉÉÎãBÉE {ÉÚ®ä nä¶É =xÉBÉEÉä àÉÉxÉÉʤÉxnÖ BÉEä °ô{É àÉå näJÉiÉÉ cè* BÉE<Ç VÉMÉcÉå {É® +ÉÉÊcãªÉÉ nä´ÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ xÉä VÉÉä BÉEÉàÉ ÉÊBÉEA cé, ´Éä {ÉÚ®ä nä¶É BÉEä ÉÊãÉA àÉÉxÉÉʤÉxnÖ BÉEä °ô{É àÉå cé* <ºÉÉÊãÉA àÉé +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä àÉÉvªÉàÉ ºÉä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® +ÉÉè® +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉ £ÉÉÒ vªÉÉxÉ +ÉÉBÉßE] BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE ºÉƺÉn BÉEä |ÉÉÆMÉhÉ àÉå +ÉÉÊcãªÉÉ nä´ÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ BÉEÉÒ |ÉÉÊiÉàÉÉ ãÉMÉÉ<Ç VÉÉA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : +ÉÉÊcãªÉÉ ¤ÉÉ<Ç BÉEÉÒ |ÉÉÊiÉàÉÉ ãÉMÉÉÒ cè* gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉÉÒ´É ºÉÉiÉ´É (ÉËcMÉÉäãÉÉÒ) : ãÉÉ<¥Éä®ÉÒ ÉʤÉÉÏãbMÉ àÉå ãÉMÉÉÒ cè, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉMÉ® =ºÉBÉEÉä |ÉÉÆMÉhÉ àÉå BÉE® nå*...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) 79 àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ +ÉvªÉFÉ : +ÉÉ{É |ÉÉÆMÉhÉ àÉå ãÉMÉÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE® ®cä cé, +Én®´ÉÉ 1301 hours The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Fourteen of the Clock. 80 Comment: B2/1400/RSG-MM – (c2/1405/bks-rc) QUORUM BELL WAS RUNG 1408 ¤ÉVÉä àÉvªÉÉÿxÉ-£ÉÉäVÉxÉ BÉäE {ɶSÉÉiÉ ãÉÉäBÉE ºÉ£ÉÉ SÉÉènc ¤ÉVÉBÉE® +ÉÉ~ ÉÊàÉxÉ] {É® {ÉÖxÉ& ºÉàÉ´ÉäiÉ cÖ<Ç* (gÉÉÒ cÖBÉDàÉnä´É xÉɮɪÉhÉ ªÉÉn´É {ÉÉÒ~ɺÉÉÒxÉ cÖA) MATTERS UNDER RULE 377-LAID àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉnºªÉMÉhÉ ÉÊxɪÉàÉ 377 BÉEä +ÉvÉÉÒxÉ àÉÉàÉãÉÉå BÉEÉä ºÉ£ÉÉ {É]ãÉ {É® ®JÉÉ VÉɪÉäMÉÉ* ÉÊVÉxÉ ºÉnºªÉÉå BÉEÉä ÉÊxɪÉàÉ 377 BÉEä +ÉvÉÉÒxÉ àÉÉàÉãÉÉå BÉEÉä +ÉÉVÉ =~ÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ +ÉxÉÖàÉÉÊiÉ nÉÒ MÉ<Ç cè +ÉÉè® VÉÉä =xcå ºÉ£ÉÉ {É]ãÉ {É® ®JÉxÉä BÉEä 81 Re: Need to take necessary steps for construction of permanent school building for existing Kendriya Vidyalaya at Kheri parliamentary constituency, Uttar Pradesh gÉÉÒ +ÉVÉªÉ ÉÊàÉgÉÉ ]äxÉÉÒ (JÉÉÒ®ÉÒ) : 82 Re: Need to establish a Sainik school and a Military school in Ambala parliamentary constituency, Haryana gÉÉÒ ®ixÉ ãÉÉãÉ BÉE]ÉÉÊ®ªÉÉ (+Éà¤ÉÉãÉÉ) : 83 Re: Need to set up a National Disaster medical Response Force for providing medical help during natural disasters bÉì. àÉxÉÉäVÉ ®ÉVÉÉäÉÊ®ªÉÉ (BÉE®ÉèãÉÉÒ-vÉÉèãÉ{ÉÖ®): 84 Re: Need to provide additional funds for revival of Hindustan Copper Limited, Khetri, Rajasthan gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ ºÉÆiÉÉäÉ +ÉcãÉÉ´ÉiÉ (ZÉÖÆZÉÖxÉÚ): 85 Re: Regarding timely release of Central Funds under Post- Matric Scholarship Scheme SHRI DUSHYANT SINGH (JHALAWAR-BARAN): 86 Re: Need to probe alleged misappropriation of funds allocated under Centrally sponsored schemes and drinking water schemes in Banda parliamentary constituency, Uttar Pradesh gÉÉÒ £Éè®Éå |ɺÉÉn ÉÊàÉgÉ (¤ÉÉÆnÉ) : 87 Re: Need to improve telecommunication facilities in Barmer parliamentary constituency, Rajasthan BÉExÉÇãÉ ºÉÉäxÉÉ®ÉàÉ SÉÉèvÉ®ÉÒ (¤ÉɽàÉä®) : 88 Re: Need to grant Group 'B status to railway engineers gÉÉÒ ¶ªÉÉàÉÉ SÉ®hÉ MÉÖ{iÉ (<ãÉÉcɤÉÉn) : 89 Re: Need to mint adequate number of coins as also printing of small denomination of currency notes gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ n¶ÉÇxÉÉ ÉʴɵÉEàÉ VÉ®nÉä¶É (ºÉÚ®iÉ) : 90 Re: Need to set up a Passport Office at Bharatpur, Rajasthan gÉÉÒ ¤ÉcÉnÖ® É˺Éc BÉEÉäãÉÉÒ (£É®iÉ{ÉÖ®): 91 Re: Need to ensure adequate supply of water from Par-Tapi- Narmada Link project to North Maharashtra gÉÉÒ cÉÊ®¶SÉxp SÉBcÉhÉ (ÉËnbÉä®ÉÒ) : 92 Re: Need to start construction of railway line from Lalitpur to Ramtek as a part of North-South Corridor of Diamond Quadrilateral Railway Project gÉÉÒ |ÉcãÉÉn É˺Éc {É]äãÉ (nàÉÉäc) : 93 Re: Need to make 'Agriculture education' a compulsory subject in school syllabus gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉÉÒ´É ºÉÉiÉ´É (ÉËcMÉÉäãÉÉÒ) : 94 Re: Need to introduce Air-India flights from Vancouver & Toronto in Canada to Amritsar and Chandigarh in Punjab SHRI RAVNEET SINGH (LUDHIANA): 95 Re: Regarding increasing atrocities against women of dalit and backward communities PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): 96 Re: Need to set up a Kendriya Vidyalaya at Chandrakona in Arambag Parliamentary Constituency of West Bengal SHRIMATI APARUPA PODDAR (ARAMBAG): 97 Re: Need to stop the process of privatization of IDBI Bank SHRI BALBHADRA MAJHI (NABARANGPUR): 98 Re: Need to take measures to address the problem of land subsidience in East Godavari district of Andhra Pradesh DR. RAVINDRA BABU (AMALAPURAM): 99 Re: Need to treat heat wave condition as a natural Calamity DR. BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): 100 Re: Regarding problems faced by the employees of Hindustan Antibiotics Ltd., Pune SHRI SANKAR PRASAD DATTA (TRIPURA WEST): 101 Re: Need to reorient the activities of post offices SHRI DHANANJAY MAHADIK (KOLHAPUR): 102 Re: Need to construct toilets along National Highways in the country gÉÉÒ ®ÉàÉ BÉÖEàÉÉ® ¶ÉàÉÉÇ (ºÉÉÒiÉÉàÉfÃÉÒ) : 103 Re: Need to establish a new ONGC Basin in Karimganj district of Assam SHRI RADHESHYAM BISWAS (KARIMGANJ): 104 àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ °ôbÉÒ VÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉÉäÉÊãɪÉä* BÉEÉè¶ÉãÉ ÉÊ´ÉBÉEÉºÉ +ÉÉè® =tÉàɶÉÉÒãÉiÉÉ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ BÉEä ®ÉVªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ iÉlÉÉ ºÉƺÉnÉÒªÉ BÉEɪÉÇ àÉÆjÉÉãÉªÉ àÉå ®ÉVªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ (gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉÉÒ´É |ÉiÉÉ{É °ôbÉÒ): àÉcÉänªÉ, +ÉÉVÉ BÉEÉÒ BÉEɪÉÇ ºÉÚSÉÉÒ àÉå 13 ºÉä 16 iÉBÉE =kÉ®ÉJÉÆb BÉEä ¤ÉVÉ] BÉEÉ |ɺiÉÉ´É ®JÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè +ÉÉè® ãÉäÉÊVɺãÉäÉÊ]´É ÉʤÉVÉxÉäºÉ àÉå 17 ºÉä ãÉäBÉE® 19 iÉBÉE =kÉ®ÉJÉÆb ÉÊ´ÉÉÊxɪÉÉäMÉ (ãÉäJÉÉxÉÖnÉxÉ) ÉÊ´ÉvÉäªÉBÉE, 2016 BÉEä ºÉÆn£ÉÇ àÉå ®JÉÉ MɪÉÉ cè* àÉä®É +ÉÉ{ɺÉä +ÉxÉÖ®ÉävÉ cè ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ<]àÉ xÉà¤É® 20 BÉEÉä gÉÉÒ +ɶÉÉäBÉE MÉVÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ®ÉVÉÚ BÉEÉÒ ={ÉãɤvÉiÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊcºÉÉ¤É ºÉä AÆ]ÉÒ-cÉ<ÇVÉèÉËBÉEMÉ ÉʤÉãÉ {ÉcãÉä ãÉä ÉÊãɪÉÉ VÉÉA +ÉÉè® =ºÉBÉEä {ɶSÉÉiÉ iÉÖ®ÆiÉ =kÉ®ÉJÉÆb ¤ÉVÉ] ãÉä ÉÊãɪÉÉ VÉÉA* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : ºÉnxÉ BÉEÉÒ ºÉcàÉÉÊiÉ cè* +ÉxÉäBÉE àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉnºªÉ : ºÉcàÉÉÊiÉ cè* Comment: (fd. By d2) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ àÉÆjÉÉÒ VÉÉÒ, +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉÉäÉÊãɪÉä* 105 (d2/1410/snb-gg) ANTI-HIJACKING BILL 1410 hours THE MINISTER OF CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU): Hon. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move: “That the Bill to give effect to the Convention of the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft and for matters connected therewith, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration.” Sir, there is a slight difference from the previous Bill in the sense that the definitions have changed. Now it is becoming in-flight from closure of a door to opening of the door. Definitions have been expanded. This Bill had been introduced in the Rajya Sabha and was referred to the Standing Committee. The Standing Committee examined it, returned it with recommendations and these were brought before both the Houses of Parliament. There were four recommendations. Out of the four, three were basically agreed by the Government. The one which was not accepted was with regard to compensation. It is because that has been left in the realm of the Executive. It has been done so because some of them could be policemen, some of them could be covered by insurance. So, it was thought that this compensation angle should be kept with the Executive and not in the ambit of the Legislature. This was the only difference after the Standing Committee had come out with its report. But the basic thing is that the definitions have changed and they have been 106 enlarged. The death penalty also has been brought in where if a death occurs, it could be a policeman, it could be a passenger, it could be anyone, then the people who perpetrate this nefarious act ought to be sentenced to death. So, this is the basic thing. I would like to request the hon. Members of the House to support the Government and allow aviation to be, particularly the hijacking aspect, in tune with world definitions. (ends) HON. CHAIRPERSON (SHRI HUKMDEO NARAYAN YADAV): Motion moved: “That the Bill to give effect to the Convention of the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft and for matters connected therewith, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration.” ------ 107 1413 hours SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to participate in the debate on the legislation under the nomenclature, the Anti-hijacking Bill, 2016 which aims to give effect to the Convention for the suppression of unlawful seizure of aircraft and for matters connected therewith. There is no question of opposing this kind of legislation. This legislation was first brought by the UPA regime headed by Dr. Manmohan Singh in the year 2010 and thereafter it was scrutinized, vetted and widely discussed. Sir, to begin with, I would like to pay my tribute and obeisance to a great soul of our country, the late Neerja Bhanot who had laid her life for securing the lives of the passengers of a hijacked aircraft. This aspect of hijacking still looms large and is a frightening reality even today. Since Independence we have experienced seven nerve-wrecking hijacking incidents, which all happened in India. The first hijack took place in the year 1971; the second hijack that took place was of an Comment: Contd. By e2 Indian Airlines flight on 29th September, 1981. (e2/1415/ru-cs) The third hijack took place on 22nd August, 1982. A single militant hijacked Boeing 737 on its way to New Delhi from Mumbai carrying 69 passengers. Again, on 6th July, 1984, Indian Airlines jet flying from Srinagar to New Delhi was hijacked and forced to land in Lahore, Pakistan. In the same year, on 24th August, a domestic flight from Chandigarh to Srinagar was hijacked by seven young hijackers 108 who demanded an Indian Airlines jetliner. In 1993, an Indian Airlines aircraft was hijacked on 24th April bound for Srinagar via Jammu from Delhi. The sole hijacker wanted to take the plane to Lahore but was refused by Pakistan authorities. The plane landed at Amritsar where the hijacker was killed thus freeing the passengers. The memory is still haunting us, namely, the hijacking of IC 814 flying from Kathmandu. It was hijacked and diverted to Kandahar, Afghanistan which at that time was controlled by the Taliban. Before reaching Afghanistan, the plane was flown to various locations including Amritsar, Lahore and Dubai. During the bargain with the Indian Government, the hijackers released 27 of 176 passengers in Dubai but fatally stabbed one and wounded several others. Harkat-ul- Mujahideen, a Pakistan-based Islamic extremist group, was accused of the hijacking. After a week long stand-off, India agreed to release three Kashmiri militants who were jailed in exchange for the hostages. Again, in 2011, the Twin Tower demolition was carried out by the terrorists while using an aircraft as a missile – a new phenomenon which had still been bearing the sordid episode, the pathetic and exquisite episode of human history. Sir, it is true that the civil aviation industry in our country has been growing exponentially since the new millennium. There is no doubt about it. You will be astonished to note that even in this year, the total aircraft movement at all Indian Airports is amounting to 1,56,048. It is 15.9 per cent increase in comparison to the corresponding year of 2015. 109 India is expected to become the third largest aviation market by 2020. It is not only that. We are poised to be the largest by 2030. But, when opportunities are growing by leaps and bounds, it has brought in its stride great vulnerabilities also. That is why, we need to be very vigilant and more holistic in our approach towards the security of our passengers. Even today also, we have witnessed that one Russian jetliner was bombed by ISIS on the sky of Egypt. So, there is no let-up of hijacking Comment: cd. or bombing of passenger aircraft which seem to be a very soft target for those nefarious elements and terrorists. Comment: Sh adhir cd (f2/1420/spr-hcb) Given this situation across the world, and in our country also, how much are we prepared to deal with exigencies arising out of the hijacking? We have already failed miserably in dealing with the hijacking of the Indian Airlines flight IC 814. I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister by quoting former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) Chief, A.S. Dulat, who made more revelation on the 1999 Kandahar hijacking, which has even shown how the Centre failed to stop IC 814 from taking off from Amritsar Airport where Punjab commandoes trained in anti-terrorism operations were deployed to face the extremists. Dulat said, and I quote: “ That instead of passing on the instruction to the Punjab police to foil the hijack, both Centre and Crisis Management Group were worried about the collateral damage and thus goofed up their chance to stop the plane from flying to Kandahar, Afghanistan on 24 December. 110 No one was willing to take a decision and in that confusion no instructions were passed on to the Punjab police which had moved in its personnel.” Dulat, the chief of RAW at that time further said, and I quote: “As the Centre failed to take any decision, the flight took off, and thus began the blame game in Crisis Management Group. The CMG degenerated into a blame game with various senior officials trying to lay the blame for allowing the aircraft to leave Indian soil on one another; the Cabinet Secretary, being the head of the CMG was one target, and the NSG chief unfortunately became another.”, according to the Indian Express. We have already witnessed the hijacking scenario of our country and the response that our Government had displayed during that crucial time. May I know from the hon. Minister the existing crisis management infrastructure in the country in order to deal with any exigencies? I know that today’s legislation pertains to another aspect of hijacking, especially the anti-hijacking legislation. However, these issues which I am raising are very much concomitant with the legislative document on which we are all dealing with. The first anti-hijacking legislative document was explored in 1963 by the Japanese Government and the same is called the Tokyo Convention. That was the first legislative document to punish the offender involved in hijacking crime. There is a sequence of various Conventions and Protocols which had been culminated in this Comment: Cd by g2 legislation. First in 1963, it was the Tokyo Convention. 111 Comment: (Shri Adhir Ranjan (g2/1425/ksp/cp) Chowdhury - Cd.) Sir, in 1963, there was Tokyo Convention, in 1970 there was the Hague Convention, in 1971 there was Montreal Convention, in 1988 there were Airport Protocol, Suppression of Unlawful Act, Fixed Platform Protocol, in 1991 there was Plastic Explosive Convention, in 2005 Suppression of Unlawful Act Convention and also there was Fixed Platform Protocol, in 2010 there was Beijing Convention and also Beijing Protocol based upon which we are going to pass this Bill. The 2014 Protocol proposed to amend that Convention and certain other acts committed on-board aircraft. There are various gaps and inadequacies which were observed by experts and various Governments across the world. The Diplomatic Conference held in Beijing, comprising representatives from 77 States adopted two new air law instruments, namely the Convention on the Suppression of Unlawful Act relating to International Civil Aviation and the Protocol Supplementary to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft. These new legal instruments criminalize the act of using civil aircraft as a weapon and using dangerous materials to attack aircraft or other targets on the ground. There is an urgent need to update the existing air law instruments which this Government has been pursuing and I must support this step. The provisions of Clause 7 of this new Bill will enable India to register a case against hijackers if any Indian is hijacked in any aircraft anywhere across the world. Earlier, the offender has to be an Indian 112 citizen or the aircraft has to land in India for a case to be registered. Here, the Beijing Protocol affirms the principles of fair treatment and non-discrimination. The Bill also broadens the definition of hijacking by introducing an ‘in-service’ clause. Hijacking is currently limited by an ‘in-flight’ definition which the Minister has mentioned in his speech. Another important area that the Bill proposes to change is the trial of offenders. The proposed law would also give teeth to concerned agencies or security forces to immobilize an aircraft or prevent its take-off and also allow the Indian Air Force to scramble its fighters to intercept a hijacked aircraft and force it to land. The other proposed amendments include powers to the agencies and forces to take stern action against those making hoax threats also. Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister that all the security architectures are not being provided by his Ministry because security in airports in India is being provided by various agencies and various Ministries. I would simply like to warn this Government that USA was boasting that their security arrangement was impregnable. In spite of that, two aircraft were used as missiles to demolish the twin towers of the World Trade Centre at New York. The screening machines used at all Indian airports are not foolproof. The perimeter walls of various airports in our country are porous. Even the Mumbai Airport is said to be sitting on a powder keg. Comment: (Cd. by h2) It is like a sitting duck in view of its vulnerability. Comment: Shri Adhir Ranjan (h2/1430/rcp/raj) Chowdhury contd. 113 A few months earlier, we had faced the Pathankot airbase raid by Pakistani elements. I would like to give some suggestions. If the Minister wants, I can give him some suggestions; nothing else. It is because, it is a foregone conclusion that the Bill will be passed. It has already been passed in the Rajya Sabha. Compensation is one issue. Second thing which needs to be considered by all of us is that those hijackers are all motivated personnel. They cannot be deterred by simple legislation of death penalty; that I can say. It is because, those are indoctrinated suicide bombers. How can you prevent them to take aircraft? How can you secure the aircraft from the onslaught of those suicide bombers? Here I can give you one suggestion that a method and system for preventing airplane hijacking provides for isolating the pilot and the cockpit from the passenger cabin of the airplane while nevertheless maintaining the necessary communication therebetween for assuring safety of the passengers and the airplane. Physical access between the cabin and the passenger compartment is restricted by a door which can be opened only from the cockpit, both the door and the associated bulkhead being of fire resistant, bullet-proof material. An audio system provides verbal communication only from the cockpit to the cabin, and not in the reverse direction. Communication from the cabin to the cockpit is afforded exclusively by an electrical signalling system affording communication only of predetermined messages, specifically excluding any indication of hijacking attempts. The pilot's primary response to any emergency signalling indication is to land at the nearest 114 airport. By assuring that all passengers are warned in advance of the installation in a plane of the system of the invention, potential hijackers are discouraged from even attempting to hijack a plane, since any effort to that end would be totally fruitless. àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ (gÉÉÒ cÖBÉDàÉnä´É xÉɮɪÉhÉ ªÉÉn´É): BÉßE{ɪÉÉ +ÉÉ{É +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEÉä ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉE®å* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉä¶É {ÉÉhbäªÉ VÉÉÒ* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Sir, let me conclude. àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : àÉé +ÉÉ{ɺÉä +ÉÉOÉc BÉE® ®cÉ lÉÉ ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{É +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEÉä ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉE®å iÉÉä +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉE®xÉÉÒ SÉÉÉÊcA lÉÉÒ* +ÉÉ{É +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEÉä ABÉE ÉÊàÉxÉ] àÉå JÉiàÉ BÉE®å* ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Okay, hon. Minister, if you think more suggestions are required from other Members, I would request you to call up us over a cup of tea and we will have a threadbare discussion on it. I am supporting the legislation and I would like to insert more legal teeth into this legislation. That will also be supported by us. Thank you. 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SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Hon. Chairperson, Sir, I rise to support the Anti Hijacking Bill, 2016. This Bill has been earlier passed by the Rajya Sabha. So, it is almost compulsory for us to pass this legislation in the interest of the country. Sir, hijacking is one of the heinous crimes to humanity that one can think of. This was first used as a political weapon by the Palestinian terrorists in the late 1960s. Sir, you must have heard of the famous hijacker, Leila Khaled who hijacked planes several times. They were only foiled by the Israelis when they took an aircraft to Entebbe in Uganda during the Idi Amin’s regime, and the Israelis brought their own commandos by plane and were able to disarm all those people. The earlier speakers have mentioned about several cases of hijacking that had taken place in the country. Of course, the most shameful case of hijacking was IC-814 during the NDA regime. When an aircraft from Kathmandu landed in Amritsar but still could not be taken over by the Indian security people, and ultimately it flew to Kandahar and we saw the spectacular thing for our Foreign Minister escorting the dreaded terrorist Massod Azhar to freedom in exchange of the lives of hostages. Sir, an aircraft is the most vulnerable vehicle, up 30,000 feet in the sky in a pressurized cabin, and any small explosion can cause damage to the aircraft, bring it down causing the death of a large number of people. That is why, after this hijacking thing surfaced, the 120 world stood up and took note, and in 1970, the Hague Convention was first passed. We passed our Anti Hijacking law in 1982. But it always remains a question in my mind when international conventions were adopted, why did India take such a long time to enact its own law – from the Hague Convention in 1970 to the Anti Hijacking Bill in 1982; then again from the Beijing Convention in 2010 to the Anti Hijacking Comment: cd. by l2 Bill by Shri Ashok Gajapathi Raju in 2016. Comment: Prof saugata roy ctd (l2/1445/kkd/rpm) The huge time lag between passing of an international convention of an offence, which is essentially international in nature, and the actual legislation in the country is something that we should take care of. Sir, the new Bill defines various important things. Firstly, it defines what hostages are. Secondly, it designates a special agency, the National Investigative Agency (NIA) to investigate all hijacking related crimes. Thirdly, it calls for designated courts to have trials for cases of hijacking. Most importantly, in Section 3, the legislation states specifically what hijacking is; and the new sort of hijacking is the electronic hijacking. Sir, you would be surprised to know that the Chinese have demonstrated this that by sitting in Beijing, they can immobilise an aircraft flying anywhere, with electronic jamming. We have not been able to develop our cybernetics to the extent that we can counter this. As an aircraft is a fully computer-dependent vehicle, and if somebody immobilises our aircraft to electronic jamming, there is little we can do. The aircraft is also dependent on its communication with the control 121 tower. If that is put out of action, then also the aircraft becomes helpless. I am happy that the Bill includes this matter – ‘whoever unlawfully and intentionally seizes or exercise control of an aircraft in service by force or threat thereof, or by coercion, or by any other form of intimidation, or by any technological means, commits the offence of hijacking.’ For the first time, in this Bill, this technological means of electronic warfare has been mentioned. So, the man need not even be on the plane itself. This is the point, I want to mention. A mention has been made of the courageous efforts of Neerja Bhanot on whom a very popular current film has been made.… (Interruptions) The film is called Neerja; you have not seen it. You must see the Hindi films. They represent mainstream India. So, all I want to say, Sir, is that the problem is very intricate. Section 3 and Section 5 are defining the offence of hijacking. The special designated court denotes which are the places where the courts can decide on issues of hijacking. So, the law has been made much better. Though in a hijack situation, it is mostly death for one or the other, it is seldom that you capture the hijacker. 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The Central Industrial Security Force is under the Home Ministry. I would like to know how much control your Ministry has on the CISF who are totally in-charge of frisking, checking and everything. There is a Bureau of Civil Aviation. How is it functioning? Lastly, I would like to remind you of perimeter fencing. (ends) 124 àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA ºÉàÉªÉ ÉÊxÉvÉÉÇÉÊ®iÉ cè, <ºÉÉÊãÉA =ºÉÉÒ ºÉÉÒàÉÉ àÉå =ºÉä {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®ÉxÉÉ cè* …(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) 125 1452 hours SHRI TATHAGATA SATPATHY (DHENKANAL): I will rush through this Anti-Hijacking Bill, 2014. The Bill is good and I support it except for a few clarifications that are required. This Bill was considered by the Standing Committee on Tourism, and prima facie, it seems okay. I would like to mention two or three points. There is this point about compensation. It is not mentioned exactly how compensation will be fixed. It has not been left to the judiciary but to the executive as the hon. Minister said. So, in a way, it is good because then with the rising cost and with the rupee falling because of your governance system, they can give more money. The sad part is that nobody wants that money. Nobody wants to be compensated. No family of any air traveller would like to receive any compensation. Everybody wants their family members to be brought home safe and, therefore, I hope and pray inshallah that this is never used. Death penalty has been stressed upon in this amended Bill. I do not know if death penalty was a successful method. Then we would not have had so many rapes and so many murders in this country. It is becoming a horrific social problem. So, I do not know whether death penalty alone will be a proper deterrent. I am not doubting this but death penalty should also be chosen for a very few specific crimes and in my opinion, rape is one such crime that definitely deserves death penalty, through a speedy trial. 126 The next thing is about what the hon. senior Member mentioned earlier. The CISF is a force that is guarding all our airports. Unfortunately, they are all very well meaning jawans, sepoys and havildar level people who are guarding the airports. The airports are very hi-tech establishments and the CISF is not trained or not equipped to handle the exigencies that might arise at any time. Comment: Shri Satpathy ctd. (n2/1455/mmn-sk) We saw that during the first NDA Government when that aircraft from Kathmandu to Delhi was hijacked. When it even landed in one airport in Punjab, our Forces were incapable of stopping that aircraft. All that we have to do is, park at, anchor in front. That would have been the end of the matter. We could not react on time. And, the NSA today is like the NSA of those days. So, that is something that should be thought about. The CISF is not the proper Force. I believe that it is time we developed a special force exclusively meant for airport security, which is trained in the latest technologies and its personnel are well behaved. The behaviour is a major part. If they see a Minister coming with two black cats, they salute them and they let them pass through the line. Sir, since you would have travelled abroad a lot, it is no matter who comes, no matter who the passenger is, everybody goes through the same scrutiny. So, that list should be removed. No judges, no Ministers and nobody should be allowed because once we are in the air, it is our lives. It is not the lives of those people. When a judge or a Minister or some VIP comes, earlier you had to deal with their family members, 127 BÉEÉä<Ç {ÉÉäiÉÉ cè, BÉEÉä<Ç {ÉÉäiÉÉÒ cè, BÉEÉä<Ç nÉäiÉÉ cè, BÉEÉä<Ç nÉäiÉÉÒ cè* So, in those situations, you have other people going along with them, who are definitely security threats and that should be taken care of. The third point I would like to mention is that there are these hoax calls and fake hijacking like it happened in Egypt where a man wanted to meet his estranged wife. His wife had actually rejected him. His wife did not want to live with him for reasons unknown to the society and the world at large. But this man was so desperate for his wife that he hijacked a plane and forced it to land at Cyprus. You would have watched the video on the television the way he calmly and very coolly walked out of the aircraft. He just walked away. He was simply imprisoned whereas one of the crew members actually jumped out of the cockpit window and broke his leg. So, this was seen all over the world. What I am trying to say is that, apart from commenting on the ability of our crew members and our cabin crew about which I do not wish to comment, I am also saying what special regulations you wish to put into place to control.… (Interruptions) Sir, just because I am from Odisha, you are punishing me. àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ (gÉÉÒ cÖBÉDàÉnä´É xÉɮɪÉhÉ ªÉÉn´É) : ºÉàÉªÉ BÉEàÉ cè, +ÉÉ{É VÉãnÉÒ +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉE®å* gÉÉÒ iÉlÉÉMÉiÉ ºÉi{ÉlÉÉÒ (vÉåBÉEÉxÉÉãÉ) : ABÉE PÉÆ]É ºÉàÉªÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ MɪÉÉ lÉÉ* àÉÉxÉxÉÉÒªÉ ºÉ£ÉÉ{ÉÉÊiÉ : ABÉE PÉÆ]ä àÉå <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉä {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉÉ lÉÉ* 128 SHRI TATHAGATA SATPATHY (DHENKANAL): Sir, all that I am saying is that, before I wind up, this is a Bill that the Biju Janata Dal supports but this is not stringent enough in the sense that it is not the punishment that matters. We must not allow hijacking to happen, and to stop that, at the security level and at the airport level you have to make things better which you are not doing. You must have no VIP treatment for anybody. Everybody must be the same. This VIP culture must end in India. Thank you. (ends) 129 1459 hours SHRI M. MURLI MOHAN (RAJAHMUNDRY): Sir, I welcome this Bill and the TDP Party fully supports the Bill. I understand that in the backdrop of the recommendations made in the Beijing Conference in 2010, the Union Government has thought it appropriate to bring this Bill. India has been a signatory to the Protocol Supplementary to the Convention at Beijing on the 10th day of September, 2010, which deals with unlawful acts against civil aviation by new types of threats which require comprehensive amendments to the said Act. This Bill will replace the Anti-Hijacking Act, 1982. This is defining hijacking, and it awards death penalty for hijacking in certain cases. The Anti-Hijacking Bill, 2014, introduced in Rajya Sabha in December, 2014, was referred to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Transport, Tourism and Culture and the panel submitted its report in March 2015 suggesting various changes including making hoax calls a punishable offence and providing just and adequate Comment: Ctd. By o2 compensation for victims of hijacking. 130 Comment: Cd. by Mrali Mohan (o2/1500/vr/ind) Maganti Chapter - 1 of this Bill says that the National Investigation Agency (NIA) is constituted under Section 3 of the National Investigation Agency Act, 2008. My suggestion to the Government is that NIA should be further strengthened. Similarly, more manpower should be inducted in the CISF. Chapter – 2 of the Bill deals with death penalty. The perpetrators of hijacking should be punished with death penalty where such an act results in the death of any person. 1500 hours (Shri Arjun Charan Sethi in the Chair) However, the Bill does not provide compensation for the affected persons in hijacking. In case of untoward incident of grievous injury or death of Indian victims of hijacking on foreign carriers, I propose that a compensation package not be less than Rs.4 crore should be provided to the nearest relative of the deceased. I would earnestly request the Government to accept my suggestion. Finally, I would request the Union Government to initiate a process with all developed and developing countries for setting up an international organisation on anti-hijacking for safety and security of the passengers. With these words, I fully support this Bill. Thank you. (ends) HON. CHAIRPERSON: Before I call the next hon. Member to speak, I request all the hon. Members, who will deliver their speeches hereafter, to take only 5 minutes time. The time available for this discussion is very limited. So, I request the hon. Members to complete their speeches in five minutes. 131 1502 hours DR. BOORA NARSAIAH GOUD (BHONGIR): Thank you, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I would not take much time of the House, but please do not hijack my time. I will only speak on a few points. The background of this Bill is the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, which was earlier signed in Hague and recently in Beijing. I would like to speak about the two points mentioned in clause 11 of the Bill. It provides that hijacking and related offences shall be extractible and that the accused can be transferred to the country of their legal jurisdiction. Further, these offences shall not be treated as political offences. In respect of first point I would like to say that extradition in every case would create a risk of inadequate trial of the accused. To illustrate this, I would mention the incident of the infamous Kandahar Hijack in December, 1999. The CBI had named 10 accused, which included seven Pakistanis, one Nepali and two Indians. They were all tried in the Indian courts and served sentences. Suppose extradition clause is accepted in every case, they would be tried in Pakistan and no justice would be done. So, we have to be very cautious about this point. Secondly, the accused who were tried in the court for Kandahar hijack, were the same people who were again responsible for 9/11 Attack in America as well as attack in hotels in Mumbai. The second point is that these offences shall not be treated as political offences. Most of these accused are involved in political activities in Kashmir. 132 Suppose you do not treat it as a political related issue, it is going to have serious ramifications – national as well as international. I seek a clarification from the hon. Minister whether this extradition clause is applicable to only those countries which have singed the Beijing protocol or it is for all other countries. I also want to ask as to what measures are being taken to ensure that after extradition these accused would be given appropriate punishment in the court even of an enemy or inimical country. Then, this Bill does not speak about the compensation. Recently, a Bollywood movie ‘Neerja’ has been released. It was an Pan Am flight, an American flight, which was hijacked wherein Indians as well as Americans were killed. After this incident the Americans were Comment: cd. by p2 compensated whereas the Indians were not. Comment: Dr B N Gowd contd. (p2/1505/san-vb) So, until and unless we make the compensation clause also very clear, irrespective of the country of origin of the people, there will be a fair amount of loss to the people. Especially if the advanced countries of Europe and America refuse to pay compensation stating that law of their land does not allow compensation, we would be at a loss. With these few suggestions, I would like to support the Bill. Thank you very much. (ends) 133 1505 hours SHRI SANKAR PRASAD DATTA (TRIPURA WEST): Hon. Chairman, Sir, the Anti-Hijacking Bill, which had been adopted in the Rajya Sabha in the year 2014, is now before this House as the Anti- Hijacking Bill, 2016. The Bill seeks to repeal the Anti-Hijacking Act of 1982 to give effect to the Hague Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, 1970 and the Beijing Convention of 2010 to which the Government of India is a signatory. The Bill defines hijacking as seizing control of an aircraft in service unlawfully and intentionally. Related offence, they have maintained in the Bill, is the attempt and abetment of hijacking; making a credible threat to commit hijacking; and organizing or directing others to commit this act. Sir, I have an objection in the case of punishment clause. In the punishment clause, there are three major things – death penalty, life imprisonment and confiscation of all properties. Here, I have an objection to the death penalty because of many of the stalwarts of our country as well as from other parts of the world have told that death penalty puts innocent lives at risk. We saw that. We, the people of India, cannot take that risk. Why shall we take that risk to catch the lives of others? Secondly, in case of death penalty, we have seen that race and place determine who lives and who dies. There are so many instances which stand as example in our country and elsewhere in the world also which show that it is determined on the basis of caste, creed, race, religion and other things. So, this death penalty should not be here 134 in the Bill. Thirdly, for imposing death penalty, we have to pay millions of rupees. Instead of giving death penalty, if we accommodate the victims, the processing of the case takes so many years. In this process, the family members of the victims face a great deal of trouble. So, instead of giving death penalty, if we spend that money for the purpose of safety and security of the family members of the victim, I think, it would be better. We have seen that poor quality of defence could result in death sentence to one while relieving the other of death sentence. In so many cases, we have so many examples. I would like to give an example Comment: Contd by Q2 from one advanced country. In USA, in 68 per cent cases the matter has been reversed where death penalty has been proclaimed in the name of strong defence. So, my request is that it should not be there inside the Bill. Capital punishment does not deter crime. Comment: Sh. Datta cd.. (q2/1510/ak-rps) Now, I quote a matter and I think that all will appreciate it. The Father of our Nation, Mahatma Gandhi, said that : “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”. Could we make it possible to stop crime by giving death penalty? The father of our Constitution, Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar also said in the case of death penalty. The architect of the Constitution, Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar said : “They certainly adhere to the principle of non-violence as a moral mandate which they ought to observe as far as they possibly can.”. He further said that : “The proper thing for this country to do is to abolish the death sentence altogether.”. 135 So, it is my request and I urge upon the Minister that death penalty should not be there and other stringent actions should be there for people who are involved in cases of hijacking. With these words, I conclude my speech. (ends) 136 1512 hours SHRI Y.V. SUBBA REDDY (ONGOLE): Sir, I thank you for allowing me to speak on this piece of legislation. Aircraft hijacking is also known as skyjacking and sky- controlling is an unlawful seizure of an aircraft by an individual or a group of individuals. We know that in majority of cases pilot is forced to fly as directed by the hijackers. But there are very few occasions like the twin-tower attack where hijackers themselves flew the aircraft. The motive behind skyjacking differs - sometimes hijackers demand release of terrorists like in the IC 814 incident; to highlighting grievance of a particular community like in AF 8969; or to use the aircraft as a weapon / missile to target a particular location as we have seen in the 9/11 incident. So, it is very important to look at the motive behind hijacking. Looking at the increasing gravity of the situation in the international community, we first had the Tokyo Convention in 1963; then, we had the Hague Convention in 1970; then, we had the Montreal Convention in 1982; and the latest Convention is the Beijing Protocol in 2010. The objective of all these Conventions is to take care of hijacking. Now, the Bill is on the lines of the Beijing Protocol and we welcome this move. The Bill is laying more emphasis on punishing culprits and not on prevention of crime. There is no doubt that we have the Aviation Security Force, Quick Response Team, Committee of Secretaries on Aircraft Hijacking, Central Committee, Aerodrome Committee, etc. 137 But none of the above was able to stop the IC 814 incident. So, I strongly feel that instead of dealing with hijackers and hijack, the Government has to lay emphasis on preventing hijacking itself. Sir, the next point is that the hon. Minister may be aware that in August, 2005 we had unveiled our Anti-hijacking Policy. It came into force after the Cabinet Committee on Security approved it. This policy may be one of the basis for bringing this new Bill by repealing the 1982 Act. It is because one of the objectives of the policy is to give death sentence if a person or group of persons is found guilty of hijacking. But, there is another initiative in the policy, which says that the plane will be shot down if it is deemed to become a missile heading for strategic targets. It is not that it is there only in India. The US fighter pilots have been trained to shoot down hijacked commercial aircraft. Poland has this provision and even Russia has this provision. So, I would like to know this from the hon. Minister. When he has come before this House with a new Bill, what prevented him from including a provision in the Bill to shoot down aircraft if it becomes missile heading towards strategic targets or civilian pockets or other Comment: cd.. by r2 important destinations? Comment: Shri Y.V. Subba Reddy - (r2/1515/sh-mm) Cd Finally, Sir, compensation to victims cannot be ignored; rather it has to be given priority. This Bill is silent on this. Secondly, you cannot distinguish compensation on the basis of victims. You cannot have one kind of compensation if one is a security personnel and another kind of compensation if one is a passenger. There is no doubt that insurance 138 will be there for passengers. But this is in normal circumstances. In extraordinary circumstances like hijacking and then killing, what kind of compensation is going to be given to passengers? The Bill is silent on that. So, I want the hon. Minister to reply to this point also. With these observations, I support the Bill. Thank you. 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All I want is that if proper electronic equipment is used at airports, it would not only prevent hijackers from being able to enter with certain equipment on their body. It would also prevent incidents like one that happened yesterday at Kolkata airport. There was tremendous smuggling of gold that came to light. People are questioning death penalty. I don’t. There is no doubt that one death will not serve the purpose. What I want is questioning the number of people who have been saved. Whatever compensations are laid down may be given to those people. The next thing is that Congress people criticized the first NDA Government for escorting the culprits to freedom, as one may say. I want to ask what action they would have taken to save those 232 lives on that plane. I have nothing more to say. Thank you. Comment: Fd. By w2 (ends) 150 (w2/1535/rsg-hcb) 1535 hours THE MINISTER OF CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU): I am grateful to the House, in fact to all sections of the House, for supporting this Bill. 1535 hours (Hon. Speaker in the Chair) Of course in the course of the debate, many issues have been raised but, through you, I would like to bring one thing to the notice of this House. Indian security is by and large good. No doubt the Home Department might have more to do with it than the Civil Aviation Department but departments are administrative convenience and everything is in a totality. So, we need to look at it in totality. Change being a continuous process and security being a mix of manpower and technology, these things will keep changing. We are at it. The history of hijacking within India has not been very good. It is not confined to a single government as such. It has been going on. We have a total of 19 incidents within the country. We have learnt not only from these 19 incidents but we have learnt from incidents outside the country also. A lot of little, little things have been said: “Should we not have a specialised aviation security force?” Of course, these things are being looked into and constantly monitored and upgraded as and when they are required. As far as civil aviation is concerned, the Bureau of Civil Aviation Security set the patterns and those patterns are followed by whichever agency mans and manages those airports. We have multiple 151 agencies manning airports but by and large CISF is managing a large number of airports. We have a Hijacking Contingency Plan in place. I think, that should not be discussed here at all. If you have any suggestions, please give it to us; we will keep that in mind when we work. Of course, people have talked about one kilometre distance within the perimeter walls and all that. But modern science looks at all these things. As I told you, it is a mixture between science and technology. Of course, during the night time when it is dark, there is the issue of what is called ‘night vision binoculars’. A lot of things are there. I am happy that the whole House is together in supporting this Bill. Probably one question that was asked was about the delay in bringing these Bills. We agree that there is a delay. Two International Conventions took place and we missed them out. But that is how we work. If we as Parliamentarians decide to work as Parliamentarians ought to, I think, India could be second to none as far as speed of legislation is concerned. It is for us to decide. We decide everything together. Individually, if there are any doubts, I can address those doubts of hon. Members. I am grateful to the whole House for having supported this Bill. … (Interruptions) SHRI TATHAGATA SATPATHY (DHENKANAL): Are you condemning Parliament? … (Interruptions) SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: Good Lord, I do not have the guts to condemn anybody, much less the Parliament! None of us can 152 condemn anybody. For instance, scope for improvement exists everywhere. Even in us, a scope for improvement exists. We should try to harness it and go ahead. One should take a positive attitude and go ahead. We need not condemn anybody but we need to identify weaknesses and devise strategies to overcome those weaknesses. We Comment: CONTINUED BY X2 are working at it. Comment: Shri Raju cd (x2/1540/rc/hcb) I am grateful to the House for having supported this Bill but I cannot agree with certain Members who do not want the death penalty to be there. Actually, to my mind, if a person does not respect another person’s life, it is not really worth respecting that person’s life. I do not know this. Let us think about it. But this has come from an international conference and all those countries which are signatories to this are accepting the death penalty in such cases. I think India should be with other countries. There is no point in taking a holier than thou attitude. I think all of us have to be practical and work together to overcome this menace. I thank the whole House for supporting this Bill. Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury has given two amendments. I would request him to withdraw these amendments. I think I can request him. HON. SPEAKER: Yes, you can request him. SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I think it is perfectly democratic to request an hon. Member. 153 SHRI MALLIKARJUN KHARGE (GULBARGA): You are the only man who his speaking democratically. SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I thank the senior Member like Khargeji for praising me. Either I am blessed or I am cursed. It cannot be anything in between. So anyway, I am thankful to him. He has talked about technological means. I would say that this legislation covers that. The Indian legislations come into force when the official Gazette is notified. If it is not notified, the Bill has to say that it will come into force immediately so that as and when Rashtrapatiji signs it, it could become a law. These things are there. The idea of taking time was for framing rules and putting things in place so that the legislation can be implemented at the earliest and which would be a reasonable time not like Beijing Conference to now. That happened in 2010 and we are now in 2016 but a reasonable time of three to six months in which whole thing can be done. That is why, I would request you to kindly withdraw it. I am grateful to you also for supporting the Bill. (ends) 154 SHRI R.K. SINGH (ARRAH): In fact, this is a clarification for the whole House. Many hon. Members raised the question as to whether we have the wherewithal, trained units and specialized units for intervening in hijacked situations. I would like to inform the House that we do have all that. We have units which are specifically trained for intervening in hijacked situations. That is one clarification for the House. I want to give one suggestion to the hon. Minister. 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CHAUDHARY (PALI): Clauses 1 and 2 provide that this Bill will extend to the whole of India. It also applies to the offences committed outside India by any person but the expression “any person” has not been defined. There are some judgments of the Supreme Court where the offence was committed by a company but the persons who 155 ran the company were also held responsible under the criminal Comment: cd. by y2 jurisprudence and criminal law. Comment: P p chowdhury contd. (y2/1545/snb-rv) I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether `any person’ will also include the judicial persons or the expression `any person’ is only a natural person. SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): Madam Speaker, I would like to first mention to the hon. Minister that I have already extended my whole-hearted support to the proposed legislation. During the discussion on the Bill I raised certain issues and an answer was expected to those issues were expected from his end but the hon. Minister resorted to some wishy-washy statements insofar as the issue of perimeter is concerned. Perimeter is a vital component of an airport security. I am referring to a report published in today’s newspaper. It says that on March 29, passengers aboard Spicejet flight 614 and Air Mauritius flight 746 deplaned and streamed out of the airport oblivious that the two aircraft had a near miss and narrowly avoided collision in the Chennai Airport. From miscommunication to wrong instruction, there have been a variety of reasons for such near misses and in Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai there have been 26 near misses. So, it is a grave situation. So, what I tried to emphasis is that on the one hand opportunities have been growing exponentially, but on the other hand, in its stride it has also brought various vulnerabilities. Those have to be corrected. We faced 26 near miss situations this year. What does it 156 mean? It means that there is a serious lacuna which needs to be corrected. SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I think, it is a bit over-played here. The hon. Member under plays certain and over plays certain things. Like, the hon. Member thought that there were only eight hijacks in India, while we had 18 of them. So, I cannot question the hon. Member and cannot belittle him like he has belittled me. This is not done. SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): I have not belittled you. Please do not misinterpret my statement. I have expressed my concern… (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Please do not interrupt like this. Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, this is not the practice. Please take your seat. … (Interruptions) SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): You cannot make fun of me like this… (Interruptions) SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I cannot make fun of anything that an hon. Member says here. I cannot do that, even if it is untrue I cannot make fun of it. I know my responsibility… (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Mr. Minister, you do not answer him. If you have to say anything you say, otherwise you leave it. … (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: This is not the way. Nothing will go on record. … (Interruptions)… (Not recorded) 157 HON. SPEAKER: Shri Adhir Ranjan, this is not done. You will not say anything. SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I do not want to be wishy-washy. I try to assist the hon. Members of Parliament. It is my duty to assist them. He has raised certain things, but we do not belittle our security. They are also doing a good job… (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Mr. Minister, do not listen to him. SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): I said nothing to belittle you… (Interruptions) SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: Madam Speaker, I can only request, through you, to ask him to write and send it. I will read it out.… (Interruptions) Let him write his answer, I will read it out. Now, the concerns expressed by the hon. Members… (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury, if you do like this I will have to ask you to go out. … (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: Shri Chowdhury, if you do like this, then I will have to name you. This is not the practice. Please take your seat. This is not the practice. You please take your seat. You will not speak even a single word now. Nothing, except what the hon. Minister is saying, will go on record. Comment: Contd. By z2 … (Interruptions)… (Not recorded) (z2/1550/ru-cp) SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: Madam, on whatever points they have raised, I will personally write to them answering those questions. 158 I would request everybody to come together to pass this Bill. Since you have supported this Bill, thanking you very much for it on behalf of the Government and myself, I request you to pass this Bill. HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That the Bill to give effect to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft and for matters connected therewith, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration.” The motion was adopted. HON. SPEAKER: The House will now take up clause by clause consideration of the Bill. Clause 2 HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That clause 2 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 2 was added to the Bill. Clause 3 SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): I beg to move: “Page 3, after line 23, insert— “(f) takes control of or seizes the office of Air Traffic Controller of the aerodrome..” (2) HON. SPEAKER: I shall now put Amendment No. 2 to Clause 3 moved by Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury to the vote of the House. The amendment was put and negatived. 159 HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That clause 3 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 3 was added to the Bill. Clauses 4 to 21 were added to the Bill. Clause 1 SHRI ADHIR RANJAN CHOWDHURY (BAHARAMPUR): I beg to move: “Page 2, omit lines 7 and 8.” (1) HON. SPEAKER: I shall now put Amendment No. 1 to Clause 1 moved by Shri Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury to the vote of the House. The amendment was put and negatived. HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That clause 1 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clause 1 was added to the Bill. The Enacting Formula, the Preamble and the Title were added to the Bill. ---- SHRI ASHOK GAJAPATHI RAJU: I beg to move: “That the Bill, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be passed.” HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That the Bill, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be passed.” The motion was adopted. ------ 160 UTTARAKHAND BUDGET 1508 hours THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): I beg to present a statement of estimated receipts and expenditure of the State of Uttarakhand for the year 2016-17. ------ 161 MOTION RE: SUSPENSION OF RULE 205 1508 hours THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): I beg to move the following: “That Rule 205 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, insofar as it requires that there shall be no discussion of the Budget on the day on which it is presented to the House, be suspended, in its application to discussion of the Budget of the State of Uttarakhand for 2016-17 to enable same day presentation of and discussion on the Budget.” HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That Rule 205 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, insofar as it requires that there shall be no discussion of the Budget on the day on which it is presented to the House, be suspended, in its application to discussion of the Budget of the State of Uttarakhand for 2016-17 to enable same day presentation of and discussion on the Budget.” The motion was adopted. … (Interruptions) 162 HON. SPEAKER: We will now take up item Nos. 15 and 16 together. SHRI MALLIKARJUN KHARGE (GULBARGA): Madam, I am on a point of order. You cannot suspend the Rule like that. Rule 388 says: “Any Member may with the consent of the Speaker move that any rule be suspended in its application to a particular Motion before the House. And if the motion is carried, the rule in question shall be suspended for the time being.” Here, rule 388 says about any Member. These rules are meant only for this House and a Member of this House can move this and not the Member of the other House. With great respect to Shri Arun Comment: cd. by a3 Jaitley, he is a Member of Rajya Sabha. Comment: Shri kharge contd. (a3/1555/rbn/raj) He cannot move this Motion under Rule 388. … (Interruptions) Under Rule 388 he cannot move it. Had it been ‘any Member’ or ‘Minister’ then he could have moved it. But here it only says ‘any Member’. So ‘any Member’ means ‘any Member’ of this House as these rules are meant only for this House not for Rajya Sabha. So, this is one aspect. Another aspect is this. I know that he is going to take the support of Rule 2. Rule 2 says, “A Member means a Member of the House of People, Lok Sabha”. So, according to that definition, he should be a Member of Lok Sabha. It won’t apply for others. 163 Therefore, my objection is that he does not have any authority to move this Motion for suspension of Rule 205. So, that is very wrong. I want a ruling on this. Then, we can proceed for discussion. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): Under the constitutional scheme, a Minister can be a Member of either House of Parliament with the right of audience in both Houses of Parliament. You please refer to Rule 2. Shri Kharge ignores the opening lines of Rule 2, sub- rule 1. In these Rules unless the context otherwise requires a definition per se is always contextual. Now, in the context of Rule 388, a Member has the right to move for suspension of the rules. Now, in the definition of the Member in the context of Rule 388, there are three definitions. One is Member which Shri Kharge read out. ‘A Member’ means ‘a Member’ of the House of People. The next is ‘Member in- charge of the Bill’, means a Member who introduces the Bill and any Minister in the case of the Government Bill. The third definition is, ‘Minister’ means a Member of Council of Ministers which includes Deputy-Minister and Minister of State. So, in the context of Rule 388, because the context so requires, otherwise the Constitution becomes unworkable that a Minister who is a Member of one House has a right to address the other House, but he has no right to move a Motion under Rule 388. Therefore, in the context of a Minister, the Member in-charge of the Bill, the Rules have taken a special care to define it as separate. Therefore, under Rule 388 164 both the Member and the Member in-charge of the Bill will contextually be deemed to be the Member of the House. SHRI MALLIKARJUN KHARGE (GULBARGA): You should agree that there is a lacuna in the rules. … (Interruptions) +ÉÉ{É ºÉÖÉÊxÉA*...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä ãÉÉÒb® ¤ÉÉäãÉ ®cä cé*...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) 165 (b3/1600/spr-nsh) HON. SPEAKER: Two things are there. Member in charge of the Bill also can move the Motion. The other thing is, if you see our Constitution, article 88 says that every Minister and….… As a Minister, he has the right; and that is why I overrule. Article 88 overrules Rule 388 as regards moving of the Motion by the Minister. So, as Member in charge of the Bill, he can move it. Now that I have given permission, he can move the Motion. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): So, you have yourselves waived. HON. SPEAKER: Yes. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): So, you have helped out the Government in that manner. HON. SPEAKER: What is it that you are telling? PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): You yourself waived the Rule 388. HON. SPEAKER: I have not. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Somebody from the Government side have to move it. You have given a ruling. It is okay. But somebody should move that the Rule 388 be kept in suspension for the movement of this Bill. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: It has to be given only one interpretation. You can’t make the Constitution of India redundant by reading down a rule. 166 PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Then, you dispense with the rules. You read only the Constitution of India. HON. SPEAKER: Now, Mr. Minister. 167 UTTARAKHAND BUDGET – GENERAL DISCUSSION AND DEMANDS FOR GRANTS ON ACCOUNT – UTTARAKHAND 1601 hours HON. SPEAKER: Now the House will take up General discussion and Demands for Grants on Account (Uttarakhand). Motion moved: “That the respective sums not exceeding the amounts on Revenue Account and Capital Account shown in the third colomn of the Order Paper be granted to the President, out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand, on account, for or towards defraying the charges during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 2017, in respect of the heads of Demands entered in the second column thereof against Demand Nos.1 and 3 to 31.” 1601 hours THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): I will just give the brief context in which the moving of this Bill is a constitutional necessity. Under the Constitution, the Legislature of every State shall have to pass its own budget. As far as the State of Uttaratkhand – I should not be misunderstood because these issues are pending, even before courts - notwithstanding what the courts decide, the passage of this Bill is a constitutional necessity. Otherwise, there will be a grave crisis as far as Utharakhand is concerned. On the 18th of March, Vidhan Sabha of Utharakhand took up the budget. It is now stated and alleged that nine Members of the Ruling Party voted against the budget. Therefore, the simple arithmetic seems to suggest that the….. SHRI MALLIKARJUN KHARGE (GULBARGA): They have not voted. There was no voting at all. The budget was passed by voice vote. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Voice vote is also a voting. Since Shri Kharge has raised it, let me give the facts. I did not want to get into grey areas. Madam, 27 Members 168 gave in writing that `we want a division’. Thereafter 36 Members told the Governor in writing that `we have voted against the budget, and we wanted a division’. This is the first time in the history of Independent India that out of 67 Members present, 35 or 36 are giving it in writing stating that they have voted against the budget, and the budget is still declared to be passed. Therefore, there is a serious doubt and a cloud whether a budget has been passed or not. After the budget was passed, the Speaker of the House has to certify and write to the Governor that the budget has been passed, and the Governor has to accept that. From 18th till the midnight of 27th of March, when the Council of Ministers recommended action under Article 356, no recommendation or certificate had come that the budget has been passed. On the morning of 28th of March, President’s rule was proclaimed. Thereafter, on the afternoon of 28th of March, the Governor received a certificate from the Speaker – on 28th of March – which is dated 19th of March saying that `I had already on 19th of March declared the budget to be passed’. The Reports of the Governor prima facie say that there is a doubt and a cloud because the number seem loaded against the budget. The fact that nine Members have been disqualified means that the nine have voted against the Party, and therefore against the budget. If nine have voted in favour of the budget, and the budget was passed, there is no reason why they should have been disqualified. The very fact that the Speaker had disqualified them itself is an evidence. You can’t have it both ways. Nine have been disqualified because they voted against Comment: Cd by c3 the budget. So, the Government would have gone. 169 Comment: (Shri Arun Jaitley - Cd.) (c3/1605/ksp/nk) I do not want to go into these areas. Now there is a serious doubt about the passing of the Budget. On the 31st of March, having proclaimed the President’s Rule, the Central Government was faced with a question as to what happened to the so-called Budget that has been passed on the 18th of March. Was it passed or was it not passed? No Appropriation Bill has been authorised by the Governor as yet. When the President’s Rule was proclaimed, even a certificate from the Speaker had not come and so, from the 1st of April, the State would have been pushed into a further constitutional crisis that not a rupee to be spent by the State of Uttarakhand would have been authorised. So, the Secretariat would have stopped working, their office here in Delhi would have stopped functioning, salaries would not be payable, the High Court would have stopped functioning, if there are vehicles, nobody would put fuel into the vehicles because no money was sanctioned with effect from the 1st of April, and, therefore, on the 31st of March, to avoid such a constitutional crisis, more as a matter of abundant caution – because what happened on the 18th of March itself was a grey area and highly doubtful that it had been passed – we issued an Ordinance in support of the Appropriation Bill itself, sanctioning the appropriation for the financial year 2016-17. It is that Ordinance, along with the Budget, has come up for consideration before this House today. Since then, there were multiple challenges. One is a challenge with regard to the voting rights of nine people which we are not 170 concerned in the debate today. The second is a challenge which some Members of the Congress Party have made saying, ‘no, this Appropriation Bill is not necessary because we believe that on 18th March the Budget had been passed and the Speaker’s certificate is the final declaration to that effect.’ That matter has not even come up for hearing; we do not know what the courts will do on that matter. There is a third matter where the High Court said that the Proclamation under Article 356 is not valid; that matter is taken up in appeal; that matter was heard and tomorrow the Vidhan Sabha meets to decide what is to happen again. Now, various things can happen. The previous Government can continue and be revived, a new Government can come in or the President’s Rule can continue. This does not reflect on any of these three situations. If any new Government is formed of either party, it will be entitled to call for its own Session of the Vidhan Sabha, pass its own Budget and make changes to whatever we are doing. Alternatively, if the President’s Rule is to continue, then I have asked for an appropriation for a period of four months so that the expenditure of the State can go on meanwhile. Even if a new Government comes in of either party as a result of what happens tomorrow, with effect from the 1st of April, till the Vidhan Sabha passes its Budget again, because of this cloud of 18th March, the expenditure undertaken has to be sanctioned and that can only be sanctioned under this Budget. Therefore, irrespective of what happens tomorrow, if there is a new Government which comes in or the old Government which comes in or 171 the President’s Rule continues, the due course of the Constitution will follow. But, in any of these situations, we do not want a constitutional crisis there that tomorrow a situation comes where the expenditure with effect from the 1st of April has not been sanctioned. Therefore, as a matter of abundant caution, as a constitutional necessity, we should approve the Budget, the appropriation for a period of four months and the Ordinance which has been issued. In case a popular Government is installed in the State, it will be entitled to call its own Vidhan Sabha Session and then correct whatever changes that they want to make. We are not making any detailed provisions, but we are just providing for the expenditure and the receipts itself so that the constitutional necessity can be fulfilled. Now, this is not contingent on what happens tomorrow. The only area it is contingent on is because there is a serious doubt about passing of the Budget. The Congress Party may well contend that on 18th of March the Budget was passed; prima facie the number suggests that it was not passed. Therefore, we can leave that dispute as a political contention between the two of us. But this is a constitutional necessity where the Lok Sabha has its own duty to perform and, that is why, I am recommending to this House that these proposals of the Government be accepted. Comment: (Fd. by d3) (ends) 172 (d3/1610/rcp/rpm) HON. SPEAKER: Shri Gaurav Gogoi. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Madam, I have a small point. HON. SPEAKER: What is it? PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): I am concerned because this is involving the Speaker. As we know, in this House, the Speaker is supreme. When you pass the Budget in this House, it is you, Madam, who certifies that this Budget has been passed. I am not going into the sordid tales of horse trading allegations made.… (Interruptions) Just one moment. The Speaker of the Uttarakhand Assembly gave in writing that the Budget has been passed by the Assembly. If I go by the recent trends in Court judgement, the Speaker’s opinion in any matters regarding legislation, defection is final. I may inform you, Madam, you may already be knowing that today the Uttarakhand High Court has held that the anti-defection action against the nine dissident MLAs by the Speaker was correct and it has been upheld. So my contention is that we should do nothing that impinges on the absolute authority of the Speaker at the Centre or the State to interfere in the matter. I think that, yes, what Mr. Jaitley has said as a responsible Finance Minister, it is his duty to see that administration does not come to a standstill, that the cars can be fuelled, the Secretariat may open etc. He is taking care of that contingency. I am talking of another contingency; if a Speaker says, yes, the Budget has been passed. He says that prima facie it appears that nine people did not vote. That is prima facie; it has no proof. In a voice vote, who knows whose voice 173 is the loudest? Two people may shout louder than 20 people. So my contention is that in such a situation, we should not have hurried to have the Appropriation Bill regarding Uttarakhand to be passed. It is because, it is a question of upholding the supremacy of you, Madam Speaker. If you change the law, change the Constitution, if you give the Election Commission power to decide on anti-defection, that is a different matter. The law as it stands today is that with regard to giving certificates, like if you give a certificate that this is a Money Bill, this is the last word. Not even the President of India can interfere. If you give a certificate that these are people who are disqualified on grounds of Anti Defection Law, nobody up to now can do anything about it. If the Uttarakhand Speaker gives a certificate that the Budget is passed, whether it is in good faith, whether he was correct, whether the drama was sordid etc., I do not want to go into this. I want your considered ruling on the matter regarding the supremacy of the Speaker in the House and in the legislative Business. That is all, Madam. HON. SPEAKER: Shri Gaurav Gogoi. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Madam, because this issue repeatedly arises, I think, we should set it at rest. I substantially agree with what Mr. Saugata Roy is saying. Article 212 clearly says, the proceedings of the Legislature are not to be questioned in any House before a court. Therefore, when a Speaker gives a ruling, the mandate of the Constitution is that the Speaker’s ruling cannot be questioned in court. These days, I find that Mr. Saugata Roy is very charitable towards the principal Opposition Party. 174 PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): No, I am not.… (Interruptions) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: No, you are. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): They campaigned against us… (Interruptions) I am very hostile to them.… (Interruptions) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Even when your Party outside this House and in the other House strongly opposes them, you alone are seen supporting them. I have seen it on more than one occasion. … (Interruptions) SHRI SUDIP BANDYOPADHYAY (KOLKATA UTTAR): This is a misinterpretation; I strongly disagree.… (Interruptions) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I will tell you where he goes wrong.… (Interruptions) SHRI SUDIP BANDYOPADHYAY (KOLKATA UTTAR): We are maintaining equidistance.… (Interruptions) To Narendra Modi ji, Sonia ji, Rahul ji, Sitaram Yechury, all parties, we have shown big thumbs up Comment: Fd.by e3 to them. On 19th May, we are showing the results.… (Interruptions) (e3/1615/rp-rjs) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Madam, where is the difference? What do you do? Let us take a hypothetical situation. A Budget or a legislation itself in a State Assembly is defeated. The Speaker says: “Even though the measure in front of me has defeated it, I declare it passed.” If Mr. Saugata Roy is right then the Constitution is helpless.… (Interruptions) Now, Speaker is the master of the House. Members in writing demand a division or members orally demand a division. The proceedings of 175 the Vidhan Sabha indicate: “A division was asked for but I declared it passed.” … (Interruptions) Please, have the patience. Now, when you have taken up their brief, you must get the answer. … (Interruptions) What does happen? Can, under Article 212, the court go into it? The answer is ‘no’, the court still cannot go into it. You are right. But under Article 356, there is no greater violation of the Constitution than a violation where a Speaker wrongly interprets the arithmetic and a Government, which should have gone that day, he saves the Government by wrongly counting the arithmetic. Now, please understand. If a Budget fails, the Government has to resign. A Speaker declares a defeated Budget as passed. Is it failure of the Constitutional machinery under Article 356? The answer is ‘yes’. Can a court go into it under Article 212? The answer is ‘no’. So, you are absolutely right. If a Speaker misconducts himself and declares a failed Bill as passed, the court will still have to accept that. But the President’s satisfaction under Article 356 is not limited by powers of the court under Article 212. The President can still say: “This is the best example of the failure of the Constitutional machinery that a failed budget is being declared as passed. A Government, which should have fallen that day, is being allowed to continue.” It is nowhere our case that under Article 212, the court should go into it. The President took cognizance of this and the President, through the Council of Ministers, came to the satisfaction that 27 plus 9 is 36. Thirty-six constitutes a majority in a House where 67 people are present. Therefore, if 36 say: “I have voted, in writing, against the Bill or the Budget, and the 176 Speaker declares it passed, that is a failure of the Constitutional machinery. The Governor, therefore, has rightly not given assent to the 18th March Bill. In the absence of Governor’s assent, there is no Budget. There is no Appropriation Bill. Therefore, the State will be pushed on the 1st of April into a Constitutional crisis. It is, therefore, required that the Centre steps in and the Lok Sabha under Article 356 does its own duty and passes the Appropriation Bill of the State. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): If the Speaker does something, the President or the Governor has no right to call the Speaker’s decision right or wrong under Article 356 or whatever. But still to disprove Mr. Jaitley’s allegation that I am getting closer to the Congress Party, we, the Trinamool Congress, will support him to prove that we are not snuggling up to anybody. 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All you had to do was to wait for electoral exercise. Trust the people. 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SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): Hon. Speaker Madam, I rise to speak on the general discussion on Uttarakhand Budget. Rs 13,642 crore have been proposed to be withdrawn from the Consolidated Fund of India to meet the expenditure of Uttarakhand. The Finance minister has earlier described from his point of view the necessity of withdrawing this money in order to keep the administration running. I will speak on that later. Madam, let me make my point of view absolutely clear in case there is any confusion. Our party All India Trinamool Congress is equally distant from Congress-CPM combine and the BJP. As a regional party, we are opposed to President’s rule under Article 356 being imposed anywhere in any State because it is an overriding of the powers. We feel that the drama in Uttarakhand has been a sordid drama which is a shame to Indian democracy. As I will state later in detail, both sides have to be blamed. This side says that when you were there, you applied Article 356 in such and such case. That side will say that you have wrongly imposed Article 356 now. I feel there is no Comment: cd. by r3 change in the attitude. (r3/1715/rsg-cp) Comment: PROF. SAUGATA ROY I had expected the present Government to concentrate on CONTINUED development, which they had promised, but they have indulged in solid horse-trading which is unfortunate. I am reminded of a small couplet: Þ {ÉÆUÉÒ VÉÉä =½iÉÉ cè, SÉàÉxÉ ¤ÉnãÉ MɪÉÉ, cƺÉiÉä cé ÉʺÉiÉÉ®ä iÉÉä MÉMÉxÉ ¤ÉnãÉ MɪÉÉ, ¶ÉàɶÉÉxÉ BÉEÉÒ JÉÉàÉÉä¶ÉÉÒ ¤ÉiÉÉ ®cÉÒ cè ÉÊBÉE ãÉÉ¶É ´ÉcÉÒ cè, ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ BÉE{ÉExÉ ¤ÉnãÉ MɪÉÉ* Þ 201 There has been no change. It is going on in the same line. But this should not have been the case because Uttarakhand was formed amidst much hope. The people there had gone for a long agitation demanding a separate hill state. So, when it was granted, there was great hope for one crore people. Uttarakhand is one of the most beautiful places in the world. You have got the Garhwal and Kumaon in Himalayas; you have got the beautiful rivers like Ganga, Yamuna and Mandakini. From Haridwar, as you go up slowly to Rishikesh, Rudraprayag, Devaprayag, Uttarkashi and on to the Chardham, you find nature at its most beautiful! Uttarkhand is also our border with China along the east and is very vital. Uttarakhand has immense potential in terms of tourism, in terms of timber, and in terms of hydro-electricity. It was expected that the State would progress but while the State is rich in natural resources the people are poor. If you go to any of the hill villages, there are no roads. They trudge through very difficult terrain to reach the main road. There is lack of water and sanitation in many of the hill villages. In the 15-odd years that Uttarakhand has been a States, development has not taken place. Compared to that, if you go to Darjeeling in West Bengal, you will how the face of Darjeeling has changed in the last five year. Uttarakhand could have proceeded in the same way. Unfortunately, we are involved in a political game of one- upmanship in the State. What are the basic facts? A Congress Government was there; nine Congress MLAs were supposed to have defected from the Party. The Budget was placed before the Assembly. The Speaker said that the Budget was passed a voice vote, which was 202 disputed by many people. One day before the floor test was to take place, the Government imposed President’s rule on Uttarakhand. The former Uttarakhand Chief Minister went to the High Court. The High Court ruled the imposition of President’s rule as unconstitutional. The Centre went in appeal to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has not given its final view in the matter yet. But on the question of disqualification of nine MLAs, the Uttarakhand High Court has said Comment: CONTINUED BY S3 that the Speaker was within his right to have suspended those MLAs. Comment: Prof. Saugata Roy cd (s3/1720/rc/raj) The Supreme Court just today hearing around 3.40 p.m. had given a ruling that it is upholding the verdict of the Uttarakhand High Court. Tomorrow, the floor test would be held and that too in a peculiar situation where the Speaker would not be sitting in the Chair. The Secretary of the Assembly has been asked to sit for the Chair and they are not having a floor test in the sense of pressing the buttons. From what I read, Division will be taken in the lobby and heads will be counted. Now is it something that was desirable in Uttarakhand? If the BJP was to entertain defectors from the Congress to form a Government, they could have done it in a nice way or forced a situation where you would go for a fresh elections but manipulation has been used to form a Government which is unfortunate. It is an act of unsettling a settled-government. This is not desirable in the country. I think somebody in the Central Government has botched it. I read in the papers that Jaitleyji was away in Australia for a few days 203 during that time. He is the Principal Legal Advisor of the Government. So maybe his advice was not taken properly. I just want to read from the judgement of the Supreme Court because today the important question has been raised about the role of the Speaker in any dispute. Member after Member is saying that Uttarakhand Speaker was wrong. He passed a budget which ought not to have been passed. But let us see what Justice Dipak Mishra and Justice Shiva Kirti Singh of the Supreme Court said: “The Speaker is the master of the House. Whether a Bill has been passed or not can the Central Government or the President go into it? What was the number of MLAs voting for this side or the other side is also for the Speaker to decide. How can somebody else get into the business of the House? It is a million dollar question and you could have taken it as a ground for invoking article 356. Here is a situation where one side says that the Bill has been passed but the other side refutes.” The two Supreme Court judges upheld the supremacy of the Speaker in any matter concerning the House. The Bench again observed: “Article 356 is a rare phenomenon. If a Government is in a minority, floor test has to happen as a natural corollary. Ultimately, if we sustain the President’s Rule, then also floor test will have to happen.” They are obviously referring to the judgment in the Bommai case which said that only floor test could finalise this matter. The Attorney- General, Shri Mukul Rohatgi, who was appearing for the Centre said that after the Appropriation Bill failed to be passed in the Assembly, 204 the inference was that the Government had lost the majority. The Bench overruled the AG. The Bench said that the Speaker maintained that the Bill was passed. The Attorney-General said that the actions of the Speaker could not remain outside the purview of judicial review. He said that a sting operation showing the Chief Minister, Shri Harish Rawat, etc. was also relevant material for imposing President’s Rule. He contended that the Bill was not sent to the Governor for almost ten days. Now the point to which I am coming is that the imposition of President’s Rule was wrong. In Uttarakhand case the speciality is that the Governor did not recommend the President’s Rule. Yes, article 356 does say that on the recommendations of the Government or otherwise and the Government in Delhi had taken advantage of that and imposed Comment: cd. by t3 President’s Rule. (t3/1725/ru-nsh) I would urge that, after tomorrow’s floor test is done, democratically elected Government should be imposed there at the earliest. The Finance Minister earlier said that it was essential incumbent on the Central Government to have the Appropriation Bill passed. I feel that there was no such hurry. If the test was taking place tomorrow, then maybe a Government would come out and they would pass the Budget in their Assembly. What was the hurry in getting the Appropriation Bill passed in this House? Ultimately, a Speaker may be good or bad but as far as matters regarding the House are concerned, in this House, you are the supreme 205 authority. What you will say is law to all of us. To lead to a situation where you will deny the Speaker’s recommendation, criticize it and give it as a ground for President’s Rule is wrong. Shri Jaitley argued that the President can consider whether the Speaker is right or wrong. I do not think that the President has that right under our Constitution. I think the argument of the Government in this matter is fallacious. Let tomorrow be over, Madam. Those nine MLAs have been disqualified. Tomorrow, let the floor test take place. Let the Government of India assure this House that popular Government would be restored in Uttarakhand at the earlier. The most beautiful, the most holy and the most pristine State in the country would be on the way of development. People there would not be concerned with the politicians but they would be concerned with whether their lives are changing as they should. (ends) 206 1727 hours SHRI TATHAGATA SATPATHY (DHENKANAL): Madam Speaker, I rise to speak on the Uttarakhand Appropriation (Vote on Account) Bill, 2016 and I wish to thank you for giving me time to talk on this Bill. Long back, when many of us in this House were not even born, in 1951 when the Patiala Government, for the first time, saw promulgation of Article 356, the Congress was in power at that time. At the outset, I would categorically put it on record very clearly that all these are regressive and bad precedents that we are setting. As a representative of an established regional party, I oppose this imposition of Article 356 which in turn has resulted in this Appropriation Bill being brought into this House. India is in a situation where both the BJP-led NDA and the Congress-led UPA seem to be in the same boat and both seem to be repeating each other. I would not like to get into the details of Uttarakhand per se as a State. Many of my learned friends speaking before me have discussed it from beauty to economic development being stopped to many aspects of that State. What really bothers me is, what is it that people expect from us and are we really living up to what people want from us. None of us, those who are steeped in political history, can every forget how, from 1951 till Kerala and from Kerala onwards, the Congress Government during Indira Gandhi’s time, at will, went on misusing – not using – Article 356 and demolishing one 207 Comment: d. after the other democratically-elected Governments in different States of the country. Comment: Shri satpathy contd. (u3/1730/rbn/nk) Then came 1977 when the late Chaudhry Charan Singh became the Home Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister, a lot of hope was pinned on the Janata Party at that time in which the BJP and all of us were party to the formation because it was heralded as a change from the age-old corrupt Congress Government to the Government of the people. But we failed the people so miserably that we were promptly, all of us including the BJP, were kicked out of power and in 1980 a role reversal happened. Like Chaudhry Charan Singh had demolished all the State Governments, nine State Governments, similarly when Mrs. Gandhi and her late son, the younger son, came to power, they took no time and demolished the State Governments using this same very constitutional piece of paper. I do not believe the Constitution is a living being. I believe it is a piece of paper. It is to be used for the interest of the people. It is not to be misused for our personal and political goals. The late Mrs. Gandhi – the original one – again kicked out those same State Governments which, let us remember, had come to power by the power of the vote of the people. This indicates that neither the group which Chaudhry Charan Singh represented in which all of us were parties nor the group that the late Mrs. Indira Gandhi represented respected the wishes of the people. Nobody respected the wishes of the 208 people. We disregarded the people then and we are disregarding them today. We have heard about cooperative federalism from this Government. All of us were very happy that may be a new chapter is being tried out, a new chapter in which a healthier democracy which has its ears to the ground, which has concerns for the poverty-stricken poor people, which will actually listen and abide by their wishes. We thought this new chapter would be good. We in a way fought the BJP. The candidate who lost to me, who came second, was also of the BJP. But yet we wish them well, not as a political party, not because they will win and fight against each one of us, but we wish them well in the greater interest of the country. Now, that they have got an opportunity after ten long years, one whole decade of the beginning of the 21st Century, in which this country had had such a miserable time – one whole decade was destroyed and wasted – we all hoped that a new chapter would begin. … (Interruptions) I am not getting into the nitty-gritty of Uttarakhand. Uttarakhand is just a façade. Uttarakhand, to me, signifies one milestone in a long road of democracy in which this country intends to mature and it is still maturing. We are not yet a fully matured democracy. These are all milestones. All of us are learning. All of us are students. All of us are toddlers in this great process, that we call democracy. So, this cooperative federalism has become a doubtful slogan now, a slogan that is intended for use when it is convenient. What the BJP-led NDA Government has done till now starting from Arunachal 209 Pradesh to Uttarakhand is not only anti-democratic and anti-federalism but also a very sad thing because all of us, the people of India, pin a lot of hope on Narendra Damodar Das Modi ji and his Government. We expect that something new shall turn up. But alas! It is a sad thing there is no effort also. I am not talking about success or failure. That is Comment: Contd. By W3 something that only Allah will decide. Comment: Sh satpahty cd (w3/1735/spr-rpm) But when these people have been rejected, Congress has been rejected because of their misdeeds, people have a lot of hope on these people. If States are disturbed this way, this reminds us of Indira Gandhi’s days when article 356 was misused. I am reminded of what a great leader of our time, Shri L.K. Advani ji has said very recently. He said in an interview that a situation is being built where it seems that imposition of Emergency might be a possibility. Sadly, no body from the ruling clique thought it fit to contradict him. So, it was kind of accepted. This is a bad time for that particular State, there was a cloudburst last night; there is no Government. Like the fire, the former Chief Minister of that State was referring to, there was a cloudburst and the Badrinath and Kedarnath road has been blocked. I do not know whether NDRF can do any miracles. But with a properly elected Government in position, definitely people would have got more justice. I wonder if the Central Government would bother to inform the House what steps it has taken in view of not only the fire but also cloudburst of last night. 210 I believe that before using article 356 which I as a Member of the Biju Janata Dal vehemently oppose, whoever is the Government of the day, should always keep people as priority, and not gaining power in the State. We can understand their desperation; we can understand especially because of Bihar, their loss in the larger cow belt, Hindi- speaking belt, they are probably thinking that focusing on small States - focusing on Arunachal Pradesh and such States - they may be able to cobble together some kind of strength next time. I would like to quote a noted jurist, Mr. Fali S. Nariman who expressed over a decade ago in relation to an interim order passed by a Division Bench of the Apex court concerning Jharkhand. This was in 2005. He had said, “To me, the order of March 9 serves as a disturbing precedent for courts, in the future, not only the Supreme Court but also any High Court, to direct how proceedings of Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha and State Assemblies should or should not be conducted by its presiding officers.” In 1998, we have had the case of Jagadambika Pal ji, which is a great historical piece of judgement where the SC had ordered a composite floor test. Lawyers have said that this is a direct violation of articles 118 and 208 where no such provision is present. These are precedents and another one is being set now. I would like to state here before winding up that the High Court of Nainital had to interfere and quash the President’s rule, which was eventually challenged in the Supreme Court. A floor test is the natural recourse if questions of stability of a Government are concerned. But what worries me today is this. Which State Government is your target now? How many State Governments you break before your appetite for power is satisfied? Thank you. (ends) 211 1739 hours SHRI JITENDRA CHAUDHURY (TRIPURA EAST): Madam, we have been discussing here an issue which is an outcome of a very undemocratic act unleashed by the Party in power. This Bill is related to Uttarakhand. Uttarakhand Assembly is still alive. But here in Parliament, we are discussing the Uttarakhand Budget. Why has this happened? My learned colleagues have already explained that in Uttarakhand, by the undemocratic way, the Comment: Cd by x3 Government has been dismantled. Comment: (Shri Jitendra Chaudhary - (x3/1740/ksp/rjs) Cd.) Now, the NDA is committing the same sins that were started by the Congress Party in 1959, as we all know, when they dismissed a popular Government in Kerala led by the great E.M.S. Namboodripad and then they dismissed the elected Governments in Tamil Nadu in 1976 and also in Manipur in 1979. Again, that was repeated during the tenure of the NDA in 1998. It is very unfortunate that, when our hon. Finance Minister who is present here – he is an outstanding lawyer – the sanctity of democracy has been denied and this has been done again in Uttarakhand. Madam, in the S.R. Bommai’s judgement of the Supreme Court delivered in 1993 is a landmark judgement and in that judgement, the Supreme Court said, “Issues of majority or minority are not matters to be determined by the Governor or for that matter anywhere else except the floor of the House.” Since the Uttarakhand Assembly is alive, let the floor test be conducted in the Uttarakhand Assembly, a popular 212 Government be installed there and let their Budget be passed there. So it is very unfair to do it here. Let the Proclamation of President’s Rule imposed in Uttarakhand under Article 356 should first be scrapped. Then, if the Uttarakhand Assembly is not alive, then let us discuss the Appropriation Bill and pass it here. So, it is very unfair and it is wrong. It is a shameless assault on democracy and a blatant violation of constitutional norms. Therefore, I oppose this Appropriation Bill and I would like to urge that first the Proclamation issued Article 356 of the Constitution should be scrapped, let the floor test be conducted in the Uttarakhand Assembly, let a popular Government be installed there and then their elected representatives should be allowed to decide their destiny and let them pass their Budget. With these words, I conclude. Thank you. (ends) 213 1743 hours SHRI MEKAPATI RAJA MOHAN REDDY (NELLORE): Madam Speaker, I thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. We sincerely support this Budget. But we oppose the defection of people’s representatives after having been elected on a particular party ticket earlier and later defecting to other parties. This is a very immoral practice. We have to correct this. Otherwise, it becomes a mockery. This is really unfortunate. We are destroying the very laws which have been passed by us in the same august House. Madam, what is happening in Andhra Pradesh now? There is a popular Government there and it is a very stable Government with the support of 108 MLAs in the House of 175 MLAs. Our party, the YSR Congress Party has 67 MLAs. There is no need to feel panicky about the stability of the Government. In spite of that, … (Interruptions)… (Not recorded) is taking each MLA from our party, one by one, every alternative day. Till now he has taken 17 MLAs of YSR Congress Party by paying huge amounts of money, by paying hundreds of crores. HON. SPEAKER: No, this should not go on record. … (Interruptions)… (Not recorded) HON. SPEAKER: No name will go on record. … (Interruptions)… (Not recorded) SHRI MEKAPATI RAJA MOHAN REDDY (NELLORE): Please ask your conscience. I am very correct. I will never tell a lie Madam. They are paying huge amounts. They have taken 17 MLAs from our Party, Comment: (Cd., by y3) but still this process is going on. How is it so? This is very immoral. 214 … (Interruptions) If they have any moral responsibility, either they should resign on their own, otherwise the hon. Speaker should disqualify them. Comment: Shri Mekapati Raja Mohan (y3/1745/rcp/sk) Reddy contd. Here, the Speaker being the official party, he has immediately disqualified the people who have defected; whereas in Andhra Pradesh it is not the case. There is Telugu Desam Party; their own Speaker is there. In spite of our reports making allegations against them, he is not at all active. Madam, we have a great example of hon. Vajpayee ji here. Had he wished to survive, to keep up his Government, he would have taken some MPs from other parties and would have survived and avoided the mid-term poll. But he never did like that. That is a great example to follow. We should all follow that example. HON. SPEAKER: That is why he is Bharat Ranta. SHRI MEKAPATI RAJA MOHAN REDDY (NELLORE): Yes, Madam; I admire his leadership. Had he wished, he would have taken some MPs, after all a few MPs and he would have saved his Government. But he never did it. That is the moral he had. He is a great person; we have to admire him. Here, unless otherwise we correct the lapses in our Anti Defection Law, either it should be a time- bound thing. Within three months, if a person crosses the floor, having been elected on one party’s ‘form B’, to other party, either he should on his own resign; otherwise he should be disqualified. This is high time we acted on it. We should correct the Anti Defection Bill. However, I support this Budget. Thank you very much, Madam. (ends) 215 1747 hours SHRI A.P. JITHENDER REDDY (MAHABUBNAGAR): Thank you very much, Madam. TDP people are saying Telangana also but here it is reverse. Here, what Shri Raja Mohan Reddy is saying that they are being forcibly taken. They are pulling them. But in Telangana, willingly people are coming in. They are pulling and here willingly, everybody is coming. Every night, one MLA calls up and says that your administration is very good; we want to come and join. So we are allowing them to come and join. That is pulling and this is willing.… (Interruptions) But when you come to the Uttarakhand issue, in Telugu, there is a proverb: ‘Goruto poyedi goddalito techukovadam’. It means, you could have used your nail and removed the problem but you have used an axe to remove it. As per the rules and regulations, if the Government did not have proper MLAs, there should have been a floor test. In the floor test, if it had been proved that they were short of MLAs, automatically the Government would have fallen. But here, last time Devegowda ji’s saying I always remember, ‘old man in hurry’. This is what Mr. Devegowda had said, when he had last given his speech. I do not understand why BJP was in such a hurry. … (Interruptions) I am talking about BJP, not BJD. Yesterday I saw in the newspapers that Congress wants to put President’s Rule there also. The Congress has asked to put President’s Rule in Odisha also. So, unnecessarily using Article 356 is not good for democracy. We have our rules and regulations in the Assemblies as well as in the Parliament. So, I request that the State should be allowed to run properly, the Parliament should be run properly and Article 356 should not be unnecessarily imposed. Thank you, Madam. (ends) Comment: Fd. 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Speaker Madam, thank you for letting me to speak today on Uttarakhand. As you know, we are facing a lot of problems in Uttarakhand. The Bill is being discussed. We support the Bill. But our colleague, Mr. Gaurav Gogoi was very kind to talk about Uttarakhand. Thank you Mr. Gaurav Gogoi and all the rest of the speakers. But today I would like to speak not as an MP but as a Uttarakhandi about the problems we are going through. Modi Ji has done a lot for Uttarakhand. We support him. Let me tell you we had gone through a lot of problems in 2013 when the Government was of Congress, and what we went through we only know. I never say this but it is a fact. In Parliament these days, I see we only talk about papers, Bills and all these things. But things are Comment: Ctd. By e4 not practical. Comment: Ms. Mala Rajlakshmi cd. (e4/1815/gg-vr) Today I would like to say it in Parliament that we must be more practical and let Parliament be like a Parliament and not like a machhi bazaar. I feel very sad about it. But I will definitely thank Gaurav ji. I do not know that you are so fond of our Gadwali songs. So, I thank you very much. Let me tell you what has been happening; what I went through and what my people went through in 2013. It was very sad. At that time, the Congress was in Government. But that is the past. We only talk about each other. But the people, who are suffering, are suffering. 228 Uttarakhand people need the support of our Government. The support will only come if we are with the people. That is all I would like to say. With these words I support this Bill. Thank you very much. (ends) 229 1816 ¤ÉVÉä gÉÉÒ ®ÉVÉä¶É ®ÆVÉxÉ (àÉvÉä{ÉÖ®É) : +ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ, ªÉcÉÆ ºÉ¤É ãÉÉäMÉ ®Éä cÉÒ ®cä cé* cÆºÉ BÉEÉä<Ç xÉcÉÓ ®cÉ cè* BÉEÉÆOÉäºÉ BÉEä ÉÊàÉjÉÉå ºÉä càÉ +ÉÉOÉc BÉE®åMÉä ÉÊBÉE VÉèºÉÉ ¤ÉÉäAÆMÉä, ´ÉèºÉÉ cÉÒ {ÉÉAÆMÉä* àÉÉxÉä ¤É¤ÉÚãÉ ®Éä{Éä iÉÉä BÉDªÉÉ JÉVÉÚ® JÉÉ 230 |Éc®ÉÒ lÉä, ÉÊVÉxcÉåxÉä xªÉɪÉ{ÉÉÉÊãÉBÉEÉ ºÉä ãÉä BÉE® nÖÉÊxɪÉÉ BÉEÉä ¤ÉiÉÉxÉä BÉEÉ BÉEÉàÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ lÉÉ ÉÊBÉE ãÉÉäBÉEiÉÆjÉ BÉEÉÒ iÉÉBÉEiÉ <ºÉ BÉÖEºÉÉÔ ºÉä SÉãÉiÉÉÒ cè xÉ ÉÊBÉE ÉËcnÖºiÉÉxÉ BÉEä … (Not recorded) ºÉä SÉãÉiÉÉÒ cè* <ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA àÉé BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ, àÉÖZÉä =xÉ {É® MÉ´ÉÇ cè* àÉé +ÉÉOÉc BÉE°ôÆMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE nÖÉÊxɪÉÉ AäºÉÉÒ SÉÉÒVÉÉå BÉEÉä BÉE£ÉÉÒ £ÉÉÒ =ÉÊSÉiÉ xÉcÉÓ ~c®ÉiÉÉÒ cè, VÉÉä VÉxÉiÉÆjÉ BÉEÉä +ÉSUÉ xÉ ãÉMÉä* àÉé ÉÊxɶÉÆBÉE VÉÉÒ ºÉä BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉcÚÆMÉÉ, +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä ªÉcÉÆ ABÉE ºÉÆiÉ àÉ® MÉA lÉä, £ÉÚ-àÉÉÉÊ{ÉEªÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊJÉãÉÉ{ÉE ãɽiÉä cÖA àÉ® MÉA lÉä, =kÉ®ÉJÉhb àÉå VÉÉä |ÉãÉªÉ cÖ<Ç, ´Éc ÉÊBÉEºÉBÉEÉÒ näxÉ cè? ´Éc ®ÉVÉxÉÉÒÉÊiÉYÉÉå BÉEÉÒ näxÉ cè* {ÉfÃxÉä ºÉä <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ xÉcÉÓ ¤ÉxÉiÉÉ cè* VÉÉä <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ ¤ÉnãÉiÉÉ cè, =ºÉBÉEÉ <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ cÉäiÉÉ cè* <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ {ÉÉÊfÃA xÉcÉÓ, nä´ÉÉä £ÉÚÉÊàÉ, àÉÉiÉߣÉÚÉÊàÉ, <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ BÉEä BÉE®xÉä ºÉä <ÉÊiÉcÉºÉ ¤ÉnãÉiÉ cè* ´Éä VÉÉä ºÉÆiÉ àÉ® MÉA lÉä, iÉÉä =xÉBÉEÉä BÉEÉä<Ç näJÉxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ xÉcÉÓ lÉÉ* =kÉ®ÉJÉhb BÉEä ºÉÉiÉ MÉÉÆ´ÉÉå àÉå ABÉE £ÉÉÒ àÉnÇ xÉcÉÓ cè, ÉʺÉ{ÉEÇ +ÉÉè®iÉå ¤ÉSÉÉÒ cé =ºÉ |ÉãÉªÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉn* SÉÉ®Éå vÉÉàÉ v´ÉºiÉ cÉä MÉA* |ÉBÉßEÉÊiÉ +ÉÉè® {É®àÉÉiàÉÉ BÉEÉä Uä½xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ VÉÉä àÉxÉÖªÉ cè, {ÉcãÉä =ºÉBÉEÉä ºÉÖvÉÉÉÊ®A* 231 BÉE®å* +ÉÉ{É VÉÉä ÉʤÉãÉ ãÉÉA cé, ÉÊxÉÉζSÉiÉ °ô{É ºÉä ªÉc ÉʤÉãÉ, SÉÚÆÉÊBÉE ºÉÆ´ÉèvÉÉÉÊxÉBÉE ºÉÆBÉE] lÉÉ, <ºÉä ãÉÉxÉÉ +ÉɴɶªÉBÉE lÉÉ, +ÉÉ{É VÉÉä ÉʤÉãÉ ãÉÉA cé, àÉé ºÉàÉZÉiÉÉ cÚÄ ÉÊBÉE <ºÉ ÉʤÉãÉ BÉEÉä ãÉÉxÉä àÉå +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä VÉãn¤ÉÉVÉÉÒ xÉcÉÓ BÉEÉÒ cè* ºÉÆ´ÉèvÉÉÉÊxÉBÉE ºÉÆBÉE] ºÉä ¤ÉSÉÉxÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA +ÉÉ{É ªÉc ÉʤÉãÉ ãÉÉA cé, <ºÉBÉEÉ àÉé ºÉàÉlÉÇxÉ BÉE®iÉÉ cÚÄ, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ VÉÉä +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä ®É]Å{ÉÉÊiÉ ¶ÉɺÉxÉ ãÉMÉɪÉÉ cè, =ºÉBÉEÉ càÉ ÉÊ´É®ÉävÉ BÉE®iÉä cé* ¤ÉcÖiÉ-¤ÉcÖiÉ vÉxªÉ´ÉÉn* 232 1821 hours KUMARI SUSHMITA DEV (SILCHAR): Madam, I will keep myself very brief. I thank you that you were kind enough to grant me some time. I have never had the privilege of opposing the hon. Finance Minister, Shri Arun Jaitleyji, in a court of law. So, today is the first time that I stand face to face because the last Bill was passed by consensus. He is right that as the Finance Minister of the country, it is incumbent upon him to avoid any constitutional crisis that may emerge if the Uttarakhand State Government is unable to spend after the 1st of April. There, I agree with him. But I am forced to say that the constitutional crisis that we fear that may happen on 1st of April is actually precipitated by the decision of the Cabinet on 26th of March. On that day, a meeting happened late in the evening. It is that meeting which actually first precipitated the constitutional crisis. I say this because there is one very important thing. The Government of India has filed an affidavit in the court wherein nowhere have they stated that the Governor of Uttarakhand has recommended President’s Rule. Secondly, since there is no such report in front of the President, they are relying on the word ‘otherwise’. Based on that otherwise clause, the President is satisfied that the State Government is not acting in accordance with the constitutional provisions. 233 Now, there is a short point. I know that I can be brief because Mr. Jaitley, being an eminent lawyer, will understand what I am saying. I do not have to elaborate. I would like to ask what was the material in front of the hon. President of India, and in front of the Cabinet, which showed and was evidence of the fact that the elected Government of Uttarakhand was not going to be able to function as per the provisions of the Constitution. There are several judgements to say that ‘not in accordance with constitutional provisions’ is not just any provision; it has to be a set of events that has happened in a State and it must be one of the key administrative functions. Madam, we definitely do not want Uttarakhand to enter into any financial crisis, but I can say this much that there is no law in this country which requires a division, which means not a voice vote, on an Appropriation Bill. As far as the material I have, the Assembly had already voted on the grant. It was the Appropriation Bill that the Speaker did not allow a division on. In the end, I would say that it is true that the Governor has not given its assent to the Budget, which hon. Finance Minister stated, but the question is that the final authority on certifying whether a Budget has been passed or not lies with the Speaker of the House, which no one can question. The Governor on 18th evening knew that the entire battle was about the Appropriation Bill and only 27 MLAs wrote to the Speaker of the House to ask for a vote by division. It was not the majority. Therefore, the show cause, that was eventually issued by the Speaker, was on the basis of the memorandum they signed and 234 submitted to the Governor along with BJP MLAs. On 27th, if the Comment: Contd by G4 minority asks for a division of vote, Madam, you are not bound to do it. Comment: Ms. S. Deb cd.. (g4/1825/ak-hcb) They only signed the memorandum much later. This is an absolute travesty of justice and I am grateful that every attempt of this Government to scuttle a Floor Test has ultimately been set aside by the hon. courts. Thank you. (ends) 235 1825 hours SHRI ARUN JAITLEY : Madam Speaker, I am extremely grateful to the hon. Members who have participated in this discussion. Though, the discussion is only on the Constitutional necessity of having an Appropriation Bill and the Budget passed so that there is no Constitutional crisis, bulk of the discussion really has been around article 356. Article 356, from the time of its inception, has been an unpopular provision. Even those Founding Fathers -- who legislated article 356 -- were not very enthusiastic. Therefore, it is only in the rarest of rare cases that the President or the Centre has to step in because there is a federal polity, there is always a shared mandate. A State Assembly is elected for the powers that the State Assembly has. The Parliament is elected for the jurisdiction that the Centre has. It is a shared sovereignty as far as India is concerned between the Centre and the States. This is the essence of Federalism, which has to be respected. But then, there are several unforeseeable situations where the governance of a State cannot be carried on in accordance with the Constitution. There is no corresponding provision with regard to the Centre. There must always be an elected Government in the Centre, but in a State a situation of this kind can arise. This power was hugely used, even misused, in the earlier days. But as a result of several pronouncements of the court -- I can deal separately with a number of 236 those because they are given in a particular context -- the use of it has now been restricted. To comment on article 356 without touching the facts, now everybody said that article 356 was used or misused in Arunachal Pradesh and Floor Test is the rule. But are we aware of the fact that when Floor Test was asked in Arunachal Pradesh, the Speaker physically locked the Assembly +ÉÉè® º{ÉÉÒBÉE® xÉä BÉEcÉ xÉ +ɺÉèà¤ÉãÉÉÒ BÉEÉ ÉÊ|ÉàÉÉ<ºÉäWÉ cÉäMÉÉ, xÉ {ÉDãÉÉä® ]èº] cÉäMÉÉ* Now, what if a Speaker himself locks the Assembly and prevents a Floor Test? Mr. Satpathy can stand up here and say that Floor Test is the rule, but there is no floor where the test can take place because the floor has been locked. So, the rebel MLAs went in majority and had an Assembly Session outside in a new premises. Now, who in the world can say that this is not a breakdown of the Constitutional machinery? So, let us not comment on article 356 in Arunachal Pradesh -- which is not the issue today -- without realising what was happening in Arunachal Pradesh. Did the Constituent Assembly envisage that we will have Speakers who will physically lock the Assembly and say that : “I do not allow you to hold the Session and therefore there will be no Floor Test” and in the abstract, somebody will say that rule is Floor Test. Now, as far as Uttarakhand is concerned, my young friend Ms. Sushmita, just now very eloquently said what was the material? Let us not go into the rest of the material. I will only point out three materials. On the 27th midnight, when the Council of Ministers met and decided to advise the President, let us forget other factors, you had the first 237 material that 27 MLAs, as you said, asked for a Division. The Speaker Comment: cd.. by h4 says that : “I do not give a Division.”. Comment: Shri Arun Jaitley - Cd (h4/1830/sh-mkg) Everybody can theoretically write an essay or give a speech saying ‘floor test’ should be done. But what if the Speaker refuses to have a ‘floor test’? … (Interruptions) PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): He has the right. Will the Speaker not have the right? She has the right. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Let us not create a constitutional monstrosity! The rule is a ‘floor test’, but what if the Speaker refuses to test the floor? What if the Speaker wrongly counts and wrongly tests the floor? What if the Speaker then says, “I will change the characteristic of the floor and then test it”? In such a situation, what is to be done? I will just elaborate the argument. What was the material before the President? The first material is 27 MLAs asked for a division, but the Speaker does not give it. Thirty- six MLAs immediately write to the Governor saying, “We have voted against the Bill”. The minutes of the Assembly record that a division was asked, but the Bill was declared as ‘passed’. Secondly, between this monstrosity that took place on the 18th where the majority fails the Budget, but the Speaker declares it passed, you have a video clipping -- and the forensic examination it is true – of the Chief Minister indulging in horse-trading. Thirdly, the 28th March was three days away from 1st April. The Speaker has not certified the Appropriation Bill, and the Governor has 238 not given his assent. On the 1st of April, the State would have been plunged into a constitutional crisis where there was no Budget. How did the Speaker on the 28th give a certificate? If you check up the record, after the 27th recommendation and the President’s Rule, while criticism was being made, I wrote an article and put it on my blog saying “A State without a Budget”. There cannot be a bigger constitutional crisis than this. Then, some wise people realized that they made this mistake, the Speaker has not even certified the Budget – I said in my blog that till I wrote that blog and put it on post, the Speaker has not certified the Bill because the Bill does not exist – within th minutes, the Bill was signed by the Speaker on 28 +ÉÉè® ¤ÉèBÉE bä] àÉå, 19 BÉEÉÒ bä] bÉãÉBÉE® MÉ´ÉxÉÇ® BÉEÉä 28 iÉÉ®ÉÒJÉ BÉEÉÒ nÉä{Éc® BÉEÉä £ÉäVÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ* Now, the material is when President’s Rule is imposed, when the majority was saying that they failed the Budget, horse-trading was going on, you have a State without a Budget, and within 72 hours it would have plunged into a constitutional crisis; the certificate of the Speaker comes much later; till today, the Governor has not given his assent. … (Interruptions) SHRI MALLIKARJUN KHARGE (GULBARGA): That is your allegation. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Madam, let us talk in real terms. Article 356 is an unpopular provision. What are the basic factors? Democracy and federalism are the essence of the Indian Constitution. Democracy means ‘rule by majority’. If the majority fails the Budget, can a 239 Government continue even for a minute? The answer is ‘no’. … (Interruptions) SHRI NINONG ERING (ARUNACHAL EAST): What about the Tenth Schedule? SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: The MLAs may be disqualified. The answer to the ‘Tenth Schedule’ is the MLAs will be disqualified, and the Government has to resign because it has lost the Budget; both things have to follow. That is the answer; that is the constitutional provision. Now, democracy is rule by majority. Let us see the dangerous consequences of the argument. Courts have no jurisdiction to review the decision of the Speaker. Supposing a Vote of Confidence is lost, let us assume, and the Speaker says, “I believe that the ‘vote’ is passed”, it means ‘majority is declared a minority’ and ‘minority is declared as majority’. I will give you three or four illustrations in the Uttarakhand Case. The rule by majority is defied because a failed Budget was declared passed. The argument is, “You should have had a floor test”. Well, a floor test is a ‘division’. Comment: Fd by j4 SHRI BHARTRUHARI MAHTAB (CUTTACK): It was not done. (j4/1835/sr-rv) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: The Speaker refuses to have a division; he refuses to test the floor. Today, the argument is: “Go back to the same Speaker and have another floor test.” Why did the Speaker refuse to have a floor test on the 18th? It is because they did not have the majority. The questions which have to be answered is: What if the 240 Speaker refuses to have a floor test? You can in the abstract say, “Bommai has said that floor test is the rule.” But the Speaker is refusing to have a floor test. Second is, the Speaker wrongly manipulates the floor by wrongly counting. The third situation is that the Speaker adjourns the House and then changes the character of the floor and says, “Now let us have a floor test under a new floor.” In such a case, under article 212, the Courts cannot go into it. But in such a case, Prof. Saugata Roy I repeat what I told you earlier, the actions of the Speaker can constitute a break down of the constitutional machinery because the Constitution envisages rule by a majority, not rule by a manipulated majority or a wrongly counted majority. PROF. SAUGATA ROY (DUM DUM): The Speaker in a democracy is always right. … (Interruptions) HON. SPEAKER: If he allows, I have no objection. … (Interruptions) SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Therefore, to say, have a floor test, we are on a moral high ground. Shri Gogoi said: “We wanted a floor test.” But the Speaker refused to have a floor test on the 18th. That is the answer. Then he manipulated the floor. Then he changed the nature of the floor. And then you say, “Oh, because it is being held to be a break down of the constitutional machinery, the Centre has posed a threat.” My respectful submission is this. I am not going into grey areas like horse trading. This is the answer to the article 356. Let me tell you that article 356 has had a chequered history. With respect, the Supreme Court is 241 always binding. But there are many times 30 years or 50 years later when you test the Supreme Court judgment. Shri Satpathy raised a very important point. Today in 2016, let us test the 1977 view. The 1977 view of the Supreme Court about article 356 was that if a party has lost majority in a Lok Sabha election, it automatically means that people have expressed a No Confidence in the State Assemblies of that party. Nine State Assemblies were dissolved. Today in 2016, if you discuss the State of Rajasthan ruling of 1977, most people would agree and jurists would agree that it was probably a ruling which requires to be re-visited because the Lok Sabha election decided otherwise, it automatically means that confidence in the Assemblies is lost. Now, I would give you the second example. Bommai’s case correctly laid down the principles. But what was the application in Bommai’s case? In Uttar Pradesh, a disputed structure, as a result of some action, fell down or was demolished. So, the Governments of Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh should also be dismissed and article 356 was upheld. ¤ÉÉäààÉ<Ç BÉEäºÉ BÉEÉ A{ãÉÉÒBÉEä¶ÉxÉ ªÉc lÉÉ ÉÊBÉE iÉÉÒxÉ ®ÉVªÉÉå àÉå, VÉcÉÆ BÉÖEU xÉcÉÓ cÖ+ÉÉ, =xÉ iÉÉÒxÉ ®ÉVªÉÉå àÉå +ÉÉÉÌ]BÉEãÉ-356 BÉEÉä VÉÉκ]{ÉEÉ<Ç BÉE® ÉÊnªÉÉ MɪÉÉ BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE ABÉE SÉÉèlÉä ®ÉVªÉ àÉå ABÉE PÉ]xÉÉ cÖ<Ç* +ÉÉVÉ ´ÉÉÇ 2016 àÉå +ÉMÉ® +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉÉäààÉ<Ç BÉEäºÉ BÉEÉ A{ãÉÉÒBÉEä¶ÉxÉ ]äº] BÉE®å iÉÉä my respectful submission is that Courts have also shown tendency to be carried with the times. One of the cardinal principles of judicial independence is that Courts should never follow the ballot box. But it did not happen. The judgment of 1977 can raise questions. The Bommai judgment in its application raises 242 questions. I have told you what has been said in those cases. Only Comment: cd. by k4 history will test the correctness of those judgments. Comment: Arun jaitley cd (k4/1840/cp/kmr) But let us see how. My friend from the Left party has raised a question. Today Mr. Gogoi was saying 356 is very dangerous. The second time when it was imposed, first time in PEPSU, was against a Left Front government, against the Namboodiripad Government. You should read the correspondence between Pandit Nehru and Mrs. Indira Gandhi. One was the Prime Minister, one was the Congress President. She was pressing for it and he was distinctively uncomfortable. It is published correspondence. In Punjab, Akali Dal government was dismissed three times under 356. You were in power. And when militancy came, the militants used to give this as one of the reasons ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä ¤ÉèãÉä] ¤ÉÉìBÉDºÉ BÉEä mÉÚ iÉÉä ®ÉVÉ BÉE®xÉä xÉcÉÓ nåMÉä* What happened in Haryana? {ÉÚ®ÉÒ BÉEÉÒ {ÉÚ®ÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® ãÉäBÉE® SÉãÉä MÉA lÉä £ÉVÉxÉãÉÉãÉ VÉÉÒ* BÉE¶àÉÉÒ®, +ÉÉVÉ +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEä ºÉÉlÉÉÒ cé bÉìBÉD]® {ÉEÉ°ôJÉ +ɤnÖããÉÉ, =xÉBÉEÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® lÉÉÒ* =ºÉBÉEä ºlÉÉxÉ {É® MÉÖãÉ àÉÉäcààÉn ºÉÉc¤É BÉEÉÒ ºÉ®BÉEÉ® ¤ÉxÉÉ nÉÒ* =ºÉºÉä BÉE¶àÉÉÒ® BÉEÉÒ {ÉÚ®ÉÒ <ƺ]äÉʤÉÉÊãÉ]ÉÒ +ÉÉàÉÇ cÖ<Ç* ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) AxÉ]ÉÒ+ÉÉ® BÉEä BÉEäºÉ àÉå BÉDªÉÉ cÖ+ÉÉ? What would any government have done in let us say Uttarakhand where the Speaker says that I am converting a majority into a minority? So, a lot can be argued. Let the courts decide. Today I am on a limited question. Irrespective of whichever way the courts decide, whether they revive one Government or they create a new Government or they extend President’s rule continues, the Appropriation Ordinance has to be made into an Act because there is a 243 cloud on what happened on the 18th of March and, therefore, expenditure from 1st April has to be ratified. That is a necessity and that is why we have sought that appropriation for a period of four months. That is a Constitutional necessity and I would urge my friends in the Congress Party and others also who have reservations and two views about 356, that this is a Constitutional necessity, it should really be approved. (ends) 244 1842 ¤ÉVÉä gÉÉÒ àÉÉÎããÉBÉEÉVÉÇÖxÉ JɽMÉä (MÉÖãɤÉMÉÉÇ) : VÉä]ãÉÉÒ ºÉÉc¤É xÉä ÉʴɺiÉÉ® ºÉä +É{ÉxÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ ®JÉÉÒ cè* ´Éä +ÉSUä ´ÉBÉEÉÒãÉ cé* +ÉMÉ® MÉãÉiÉ BÉEäºÉ £ÉÉÒ cè, iÉÉä =ºÉä ~ÉÒBÉE ºÉàÉZÉÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ BÉEÉäÉÊ¶É¶É BÉE®iÉä cé* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ àÉé =xɺÉä ªÉcÉÒ BÉEcxÉÉ SÉÉciÉÉ lÉÉ, +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä iÉÉä ªÉc BÉEcÉ ÉÊBÉE {ÉDãÉÉä® ]äÉϺ]MÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA BÉEÉÆOÉäºÉ {ÉÉ]ÉÔ iÉèªÉÉ® xÉcÉÓ lÉÉÒ ªÉÉ SÉÉÒ{ÉE ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® iÉèªÉÉ® xÉcÉÓ lÉä, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ 28 àÉÉSÉÇ BÉEÉä iÉÉä iÉèªÉÉ® lÉä, 31 àÉÉSÉÇ BÉEÉä cÉ<Ç BÉEÉä]Ç xÉä ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ lÉÉ, +É¤É 10 àÉÉSÉÇ BÉEÉä BÉEãÉ cè* <ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉ´ÉVÉÚn £ÉÉÒ +ÉMÉ® 15 PÉÆ]ä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA +ÉÉ{É ªÉc ÉʤÉãÉ ãÉÉiÉä cé ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) BÉEãÉ 10 àÉ<Ç cè, àÉé BÉEãÉ cÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉ ®cÉ cÚÆ xÉ* ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) BÉEä´ÉãÉ 15 PÉÆ]ä BÉEÉ ºÉ´ÉÉãÉ cè* 15 PÉÆ]ä àÉå BÉDªÉÉ +ÉÉBÉEÉ¶É ÉÊMÉ®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ cè? ...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) 15 PÉÆ]ä àÉå BÉDªÉÉ AäºÉÉ ¤É½É ¤ÉnãÉÉ´É cÉäxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ cè?...(BªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ) nںɮÉÒ SÉÉÒVÉ, +ÉMÉ® BÉÖEU cÉäxÉÉ cè, iÉÉä VÉÉä MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] BÉEãÉ <ãÉäBÉD] cÉäiÉÉÒ, ´Éc {ÉÉºÉ BÉE® ãÉäMÉÉÒ, A|ÉÉäÉÊ|ÉA¶ÉxÉ ÉʤÉãÉ £ÉÉÒ {ÉÉºÉ BÉE® ãÉäMÉÉÒ, nںɮä +ÉMÉ® BÉÖEU SÉåVÉäVÉ cé iÉÉä ®ÉÒA|ÉÉäÉÊ|ÉA] BÉE®BÉEä {ÉÉºÉ BÉE® ãÉäMÉÉÒ* ªÉä ºÉÉ®ÉÒ SÉÉÒVÉå cé* ªÉc 15 PÉÆ]ä àÉå cÉä VÉÉiÉÉ, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉÉ{É 245 (l4/1845/gm-raj) HON. SPEAKER: I shall now put the Demands for Grants on Account (Uttarakhand) for 2016-17 to the vote of the House. The question is: “That the respective sums not exceeding the amounts on Revenue Account and Capital Account shown in the third column of the Order Paper be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand, on account, for or towards defraying the charges during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 2017, in respect of the heads of Demands entered in the second column thereof against Demand Nos. 1 and 3 to 31.” The motion was adopted. HON. SPEAKER: The Demands for Grants on Account (Uttarakhand) for 2016-17 are passed. 246 UTTARAKHAND APPROPRIATION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) BILL HON. SPEAKER: Now we will take up Item No. 17- The Uttarakhand Appropriation (Vote on Account) Bill 2016. The Minister of Finance Shri Arun Jaitley. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the withdrawal of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand for the services of a part of the financial year 2016-17. HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to provide for the withdrawal of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand for the services of a part of the financial year 2016-17.” The motion was adopted. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I introduce the Bill. --- 247 UTTARAKHAND APPROPRIATION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) BILL AND STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE: DISAPPROVAL OF UTTARAKHAND APPROPRIATION (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) ORDINANCE HON. SPEAKER: Now we take up Item Nos. 18 and 19 together. The Minister of Finance Shri Arun Jaitley. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): I beg to move: “That the Bill to provide for the withdrawal of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand for the services of a part of the financial year 2016-17, be taken into consideration. ” SHRI KALIKESH N. SINGH DEO (BOLANGIR): I beg to move: “That this House disapproves of the Uttarakhand Appropriation (Vote on Account) Ordinance, 2016 (Ordinance No. 2 of 2016) promulgated by the President on 31st March, 2016.” Hon. Speaker Madam, I will not take too much time because a large discussion has happened and many points have been covered in the entire discussion. The question remains whether this Central Government has the moral authority or the Constitutional authority to bring in this Appropriation. I have discussed this with the hon. Minister separately but I think it is important that the Chair clarifies this particular issue, that is promulgation of the President’s rule is 248 supposed to be ratified by the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha. Is the Government constitutionally enabled to bring in an Appropriation Bill and a Budget before the President is actually got ratified? I know Shri Jaitley thinks contrary to the fact, but I have been informed that this particular move by the Government may be ultra vires. Since the President’s rule itself has not been ratified by the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha, the Government does not have the constitutional authority or the right to bring in the Budget. Secondly, I think we need to understand the emotions behind the use of article 356. Article 356 is not something which our Constitutional forefathers thought of. It was an article put by the British and it finds its roots in the British India’s Constitution- Section 93 of the Government of India Act 1935. At that time, it allowed a Provincial Governor appointed by the British Raj in Delhi to assume powers of a provisional elected Government, a Government made by Comment: cd. by m4 Indians, if the administration was not carried out under their Act. (m4/1850/rsg-nsh) Comment: SHRI KALIKESH th The Congress which unfortunately walked out right now had 1/8 NARAYAN SINGH DEO CONTINUED of the eleven provinces. At that time, before Independence, they protested very strongly against this. In fact, they refused, under the leadership of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru to take over the government until they got an assurance from the Lieutenant-Governor that it would not be used arbitrarily. The British Viceroy Linlithgow gave an assurance that this would not be used arbitrarily, this would not be misused; and only after that the governments of the provinces were 249 taken over. Therefore, it is absolutely surprising that the Act to which our freedom fighters, our politicians before Independence objected so strongly, had so much fear and apprehension about, was copy-pasted and put into our Constitution. There have been 113 such instances as far as my information goes eighty-eight of which have been used by the Congress. But what is more surprising is this. I bear no allegiance to the Congress. I bear no sympathy for their cause as far as use, misuse or abuse of article 356 is concerned. But I do have an apprehension when the NDA or the BJP tries to utilise it for the simple reason that in 1998 the BJP manifesto stated: “Abuse of provisions like article 356 and misuse of Raj Bhawans as extension counters of ruling party at the Centre have defiled the sanctity of the country’s Constitution.” The hon. Minister of Finance Shri Arun Jaitley on the 27th November, 2015 stated: “These days the fear of article 356 being violated repeatedly or repeatedly being used against the States have disappeared.” Yet again, we find the same BJP using article 356. There is no doubt that the use of article 356 has led to disastrous consequences for the Indian polity, the political system, the parliamentary and legislative system as a whole, and for the country. The hon. Finance Minister very correctly said that in the Kashmir scenario the use of article 356 led to terrorism, a condition which we still battle with. What has happened as a result of the use and misuse? The Courts have got into it. This is something which I personally find indefensible and undesirable. Since it has been used many times and 250 has been misused many times, the SR Bommai vs. Union of India judgement came. I think it is a shame when you as the leader of the House, as the custodian of the House have the full power, authority and confidence of the House to adjudicate on matters or disputes, the fact that our behaviour and our political parties’ behaviour have led to such grey cloud surrounding the use of article 356 that the Courts have found a leeway to get into this. I think, it is a matter of shame for us. ÉÊcxnÉÒ àÉå ABÉE BÉEcÉ´ÉiÉ cè - +É{ÉxÉä {Éè® {É® JÉÖn BÉÖEãcɽÉÒ àÉÉ®xÉÉ* Forgive me, my Hindi is not very good. A number of hon. Members have said this and I reiterate it that allowing the Courts to get in, allowing the Courts to challenge the supremacy of the Speaker is not desirable for any political party. I find it ironical when my friends from the Congress Party have objected so strongly to this matter because only yesterday or day before yesterday in Odisha they were themselves demanding President’s rule. So, I bear no allegiance with them but I do repose my faith in the political democratic system. If the Speaker is supreme, do we have a right to question the Speaker? The Government of India has in its wisdom thought of the matter which has happened in Uttarakhand as a break-down of Constitutional machinery. There is some merit in the argument. I would agree when Shri Arun Jaitley says that if the nine MLAs in Uttarakhand were to be disqualified that means, they must have gone against the whip and voted against the Government. Therefore, they are 251 disqualified. If they are disqualified, the Government must fall. I completely agree with him. However, the larger point is whether we can sit in judgement over the provincial speakers, over the Speakers of Comment: CONTINUED BY N4 the Assemblies? Comment: Kalikesh Singh Deo cd (n4/1855/rc/nk) Madam, tomorrow, I may not agree with you on certain subject, does that give me the right to pass judgment on you? Madam, what we need to do is to re-look at the way we frame our rules. I agree some level of unfairness could possibly have happened in Uttarakhand. We need to look at the rules and see how we, as a whole – Speakers, Members of the House included, conduct our business within the House. We have to ensure that the business is conducted within the parameters of rules. If we are unable to do that, we will go on inviting High Courts and Supreme Courts to enter our space to take away our privileges and ensure that we, as a political establishment, are looked down upon by the nation. The Government has talked many a times about cooperative federalism. Cooperative federalism should not only be shown in words but also in spirit. We, in Odisha, have raised this issue many a times and I hold strong grudge with the Government. Whenever we talk about getting our fair share of funds, one thing is said on the floor of the House, however, when it comes down to actual translation into action, that is severely limited. I do not want to go into the details of that. But I will ask the question that a day before majority was to be proved in Uttarakhand what was the need to bring this Bill today? You 252 could have brought it tomorrow by the evening. You could have brought it the day after once the majority was tested in the Houses. What was the need to bring it today? I fail to see the logic in that. Almost one month and a half has gone from 1st of April. If one month and eighteen days have gone, what was the urgency in the matter? How would it impact the people of Uttarakhand or the Government of Uttarakhand? <ºÉ +ÉÉÉÌbxÉäºÉ BÉEÉä {É®ºÉÉä {ÉDãÉÉä® ]äº] BÉEä ¤ÉÉn ãÉÉiÉä Madam, I would not like to speak too much on the subject. Now I want to seek my last clarification … (Interruptions). +ÉÉ{ÉBÉEÉä ºÉàÉlÉÇxÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cè ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉÉÉÌ]BÉEãÉ 356 BÉEÉ ÉÊ´É®ÉävÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ cè* Madam, I think there is an opportunity for us to ensure that the rules which are in grey come into black and white so that the people of India know the rules in which the politicians have to conduct themselves and we, as a House, act responsibly. The discretionary power should be limited to the extent of what the rules allow. I would like to reiterate whether the Government has the constitutional authority to bring in an Appropriation Bill and a Budget when the President’s Rule itself has not been ratified by both the Houses. Madam, with that I rest. (ends) 253 1858 hours SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Madam, my colleague, Shri Kalikesh Singh Deo has very eloquently put his four points in opposition to the Ordinance. I will just answer each one of the four. The first point is that under article 356 the ratification of the proclamation by both Houses of Parliament is to take place. After the Bommai judgment, you are no longer allowed to dissolve the Assembly straightaway. It can only be put in an animated suspension and the dissolution will come after both Houses of Parliament have approved it. Mr. Kalikesh Singh says that this Bill can come only thereafter the Centre gets jurisdiction over the affairs of the State and therefore, this Bill should have come thereafter. With utmost respect to the entire Comment: cd. by o4 industrious research that he has done, this view may not be accurate. (o4/1900/ru-rpm) The reason is, the consequences of a Proclamation under Article 356, whether it is for an animated suspension or a dissolution, are identical. If it is under an animated suspension, there is an eclipse over the State Assembly. Therefore, the powers of the State Assembly vest in the Centre. That is the language of Article 356. If a complete dissolution takes place, the effect is the same. The Supreme Court only wanted to be sure that in the case of a wrongful invocation of a proclamation under Article 356, the Assembly should not be dissolved in the first instance. The Assembly should not be dissolved in the first instance because it may be difficult to revive a dead man and it may be difficult to revive a dead Assembly. But if it is 254 an Assembly under an animated suspension, it is possible to revive it in case either the Court decides to the contrary or either of the two Houses of the Parliament refuses to ratify it. But then the constitutional effect of dissolution or animated suspension is the same. In any case, the power of the State Assembly would vest in the Central Government. The moment a Proclamation comes, the effect of the Proclamation is to keep the Assembly in suspended animation. Therefore, the power vested on the 28th March itself in the Central Government, whether it is only a suspended animation leading to a dissolution or a suspended animation leading to a revival, that situation can disagree. Now, irrespective of what happens tomorrow – and this is my answer to your fourth point as to why do not we wait – the expenditure which has incurred from 1st April onwards is under this Ordinance and irrespective of whatever is the result of the floor test tomorrow, that expenditure needs to be ratified. So, whether you do it today or whether you do it tomorrow, the ratification will be required even if there is a popular Government. Shri Kharge is not here. He had raised this question and this would have been my response to his question. Your second question is tracing out the history of Article 356 and the genesis lies in the Government of India Act, 1935. We are not in the process of writing a column or an essay on Article 356. Because it is politically always correct not to have a Proclamation under Article 356. But there are various situations. I would invite you to give me an answer. What if a State Assembly 255 passes a Resolution that we decide to secede from India? càÉ <ºÉ nä¶É BÉEÉä UÉä½xÉä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA |ɺiÉÉ´É {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®iÉä cé* Will Article 356 be justified or not justified? Then should we say that we made a fatal mistake? Obviously, in that extreme case, Article 356 would be justified. What if there is a constitutional deadlock in terms of arithmetic and nobody is able to form a Government? An Assembly can be elected where nobody has a popular mandate. ÉʤÉcÉ® àÉå ´ÉÉÇ 1999 +ÉÉè® ´ÉÉÇ 2000 àÉå cÖ+ÉÉ* =ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉn ´ÉÉÇ 2005 àÉå cÖ+ÉÉ* So, as a result of a constitutional deadlock, you will have to have Article 356 and then go back to the people for an election. Therefore, there may be several situations. However bad Article 356 or politically incorrect Article 356 is, Article 356 would always be required. Your third question is, the Speaker must always be respected. You have two arguments. On one, I agree with you. I agree with your general proposition that Speaker must always be respected. Your second argument where I agree is, that a Speaker’s ruling is not challengeable in a court of law. That is the mandate of the Constitution. If we try and have a Speaker’s ruling subject to judicial review, then the concept of separation of powers which is a part of the basic structure will be completely destroyed. And you are absolutely right, that an initiation to the judiciary that a Speaker’s ruling is subject Comment: cd. to your power to overrule a Speaker would be extremely dangerous for Indian democracy. 256 Comment: Shri jaitley contd. (p4/1905/rbn/rjs) Madam, if such a situation were to happen ever, I think, we have the age-old practice that the legislators follow that Speakers ignore the summons of the court. You had a situation like this in 1963 in the Keshav Singh case where courts summoned the legislators and the legislators summoned the judges. Then the full bench of the Supreme Court had to sit to decide the issue. Therefore, the recent move by some friends in the Congress Party to invite the judiciary and tell the judiciary that you have the power to review the Speaker’s rulings, augurs of dangers to India’s legislatures and to the separation of powers. I am sure such a situation would be avoided. There is some element of statesmanship, and institutions that India have and they would continue to respect that. But I disagree on the second leg of your argument. While we respect the Speaker, I am still waiting for an answer – the Congress did not give that answer and they walked out instead of giving the answer – that democracy envisages rule by majority. If Speaker regularly says, ‘I treat the minority to be a majority’. BÉEãÉ BÉEÉä ´ÉÉä] +ÉÉì{ÉE xÉÉä BÉEÉÆ{ÉEÉÒbåºÉ cÉäiÉÉ cè, iÉÉä ´Éc àÉäVÉÉäÉÊ®]ÉÒ BÉEÉä àÉÉ 257 wrongly count the floor’. Then the question is: Is democracy remedyless? Are we without a remedy or will such actions of the Speaker constitute a break down of the constitutional machinery because the action of the Speaker is allowing a minority to sit in Government and a majority to sit in opposition? That is the question which I had posed before them. If somebody has an answer, please tell me as to how to deal with such a Speaker. The House deals with such a Speaker but then the Speaker does not call the House. He changes the floor. He wrongly counts the numbers and creates a deadlock. I agree that article 356 has to be used in the rarest of rare cases. Some such situations can arise where the power, however much we dislike article 356, has to be considered in situations of this kind. Thank you. (ends) 258 1908 hours SHRI KALIKESH N. SINGH DEO (BOLANGIR): Madam I have the right to reply to the hon. Minister under the Motion. Since he has addressed specific questions I will take two minutes. HON. SPEAKER: It is already seven o’clock. We will complete this business and then adjourn the House. So, we are extending the House to complete the business. SHRI KALIKESH N. SINGH DEO (BOLANGIR): I think the hon. Minister may be a little pained by the fact that I have compared his use of article 356 with that of the British Raj. I belong to a regional party. Decades of misuse and abuse of this article had happened. So, I speak on the use of this article with that apprehension. Hon. Finance Minister has given a few scenarios which he has posed to me. I will pose one scenario back to him. As he has suggested in his speech that one State might just vote to go away from the country, in which case it is justifiable to use article 356 to stop them. Tomorrow the country may decide to throw a State out. This is a hypothetical situation. I mean in extreme cases you can always justify extreme action. We have to look at that extreme action in the circumstances which exist today. I agree with you and I am as much pained as you are with the Comment: Contd. By Q4 courts interfering in our parliamentary system. Comment: Sh kalikesh deo cd (q4/1910/spr-sk) The antidote to that is, we conduct ourselves properly. We have seen as you have stated that it has not happened in the past. Maybe, we 259 can have, amongst the Speakers throughout the country – 30 Speakers, I think – maybe you can put this particular question, headed by you, Madam, and under your leadership, 30 Speakers of the country take a decision of something like this. If one Speaker being errant, then 30 Speakers of the country take a decision, rather than allowing the courts to intervene. My colleague and I still tend to agree, you could have waited for two more days before tabling of the Appropriation Bill. With that, Madam, I thank you for allowing me to speak. THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT, MINISTER OF HOUSING AND URBAN POVERTY ALLEVIATION AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU): As a Parliamentary Affairs Minister, I am compelled to say this. My friends always make some charges, then, use some slogans and go away. They have got every right. But using slogans and accusing, I would just quote a thing. They were preaching us about how sacrosanct the Speaker’s ruling is, how the Speaker has to be respected, etc. A senior Congress leader, Shri Jairam Ramesh has moved the Supreme Court, challenging the decision to treat Aadhar Bill as a money Bill which was passed during the Budget Session in March, 2016. 260 HON. SPEAKER: Okay. I shall now put the Statutory Resolution moved by Shri Kalikesh N. Singh Deo to the vote of the House. The question is: “That this House disapproves of the Uttarakhand Appropriation (Vote on Account) Ordinance, 2016 (Ordinance No. 2 of 2016) promulgated by the President on 31st March, 2016”. The motion was negatived. ----- 261 HON. SPEAKER: The question: “That the Bill to provide for the withdrawal of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of Uttarakhand for the services of a part of the financial year 2016-17, be taken into consideration.” The motion was adopted. HON. SPEAKER: The House shall now take up clause by clause consideration of the Bill. The question is: “That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the Bill.” The motion was adopted. Clauses 2 to 4 were added to the Bill. The Schedule was added to the Bill. Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill. --- HON. SPEAKER: Now, the hon. Minister may move that the Bill be passed. SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I beg to move: “That the Bill be passed.” HON. SPEAKER: The question is: “That the Bill be passed.” The motion was adopted. ------ 262 BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE 31st Report SHRI ARJUN RAM MEGHWAL (BIKANER): I beg to present the Thirty-first Report of the Business Advisory Committee. ------1914 hours The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on Tuesday, May 10, 2016/Vaisakha 20, 1938 (Saka).