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The Economic Importance of Being Educated, Forefront, Fall, 2010, Vol FALL 2010 Volume 1 Number 3 F refront New Ideas on Economic Policy from the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of CLEVELAND The Economic Importance of Being Educated INSIDE: Early Childhood Education Consumer Finance Mortgage Counseling PLUS: Q&A with Laurence Meyer F refrontrefrontF New Ideas on Economic Policy from the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of CLEVELAND 6 FALL 2010 Volume 1 Number 3 CONTENTS 1 President’s Message 2 Reader Comments 4 Upfront Battling the next phase of the housing crisis 6 Stop Investing in Stadiums… Start Investing in Kids Interview with Art Rolnick 10 Mortgage Counseling, Plain Language, and Financial Education: What Works? Highlights from the 2010 Community Development Policy Summit 14 Five Big Ideas about Consumer Finance Education Observations of a Federal Reserve researcher 14 18 Overextended, Underinvested: e Debt Overhang Problem Economists explain how debt kills investment 22 Interview with Laurence Meyer Former Federal Reserve governor on the state of macroeconomics 28 Book Review 18 e Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine President and CEO: Sandra Pianalto Editor-In-Chief: Mark Sniderman, Executive Vice President and Chief Policy Offi cer 22 Managing Editor: Robin Ratliff Editor: Doug Campbell Associate Editors: Amy Koehnen, Michele Lachman Art Director: Michael Galka The views expressed in Forefront are not necessarily those of the Designer: Natalie Bashkin Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland or the Federal Reserve System. Web Managers: Stephen Gracey, David Toth Content may be reprinted with the disclaimer above and credited Contributors: to Forefront. Send copies of reprinted material to the Public Aff airs Dan Littman Anne O’Shaughnessy April McClellan-Copeland Andrea Pescatori Department of the Cleveland Fed. Filippo Occhino Jennifer Ransom Forefront Editorial Board: Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland Ruth Clevenger, Vice President, Community Development PO Box 6387 Kelly Banks, Vice President, Community Relations Cleveland, OH 44101-1387 Stephen Ong, Vice President, Supervision and Regulation James Savage, Vice President, Public Aff airs [email protected] Mark Schweitzer, Senior Vice President, Research clevelandfed.org/forefront James Thomson, Vice President, Research CHRIS PAPPAS Meyer was a professor of economics for 27 years and former department chairman at Washington University. In 1982, he Interview with launched the economic consulting fi rm Laurence H. Meyer and Associates and earned a reputation as one of the nation’s Laurence Meyer leading forecasters. He was named to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors in 1996. His term on the Board lasted until 2002, after which he rejoined his old fi rm, now called Macro- economic Advisers. “ By the time I completed my fi rst economics class in college, Meyer is a fellow of the National Association of Business I knew I wanted to be an economist.” The college was Yale and Economics, a director of the National Bureau of Economic the narrator was Laurence Meyer, writing in his 2004 book, Research, a scholar with the American Council on Capital A Term at the Fed: An Insider’s View. Meyer did indeed go on Formation, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisers to become an economist. And not just any economist, but a for the Congressional Budget Offi ce. He received a BA from top-fl ight academic, a central banker, and a principal of one of Yale University and a PhD from the Massachusetts Institute the globe’s leading economic forecasting fi rms. of Technology. What may separate Meyer from so many other economists Mark Sniderman, executive vice president and chief policy is his ability to commu nicate well. The Boston Sunday Globe offi cer at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, interviewed noted that “Meyer writes about complex economic issues in Meyer on June 9, 2010, in Cleveland. An edited transcript a clear style.” follows. 22 Fall 2010 Sniderman: Larry, thanks so much for as a multiplier. All these things were integrate that. And the other is credit talking with me this afternoon. I’m going to happen, and now they hap- spread variables—Baa corporate rate looking forward to a great conversation. pened, and the unwinding was much relative to, say, a Treasury rate. Th e Let me start with the fi nancial crisis. I’m uglier than it otherwise would have reason that’s important is that a risk interested in your views at a big-picture been. Practices evolve more quickly variable gives an indication of the risk level. How did this all happen? than knowledge. Maybe we weren’t appetites and risk aversion that come Meyer: It’s probably not a good idea to humble enough about what we under- into the system when there are fi nan- think that there’s one single fl aw in stood as bankers, as supervisors, as cial crises. And that variable tends to the system that was exposed. I think rating agencies, or as macroeconomists. be very important in spending equa- that there were several factors. One Sniderman: What does that tell us tions as well. was rapid fi nancial innovation—new about the state of macro modeling? fi nancial products that weren’t tested Meyer: It tells us something very by market downturns and that changed important —something we certainly or morphed as they were being should have learned—that macro developed. Th is is the explosion of modeling should not be static. It subprime. It morphed from being one has to evolve over time, and we’re thing to being something completely continuously learning. We fi nd holes, diff erent and much riskier later on. and we try to close those holes. And the same thing with securitization, But we know in the future there will a new technique, very valuable, and a be crises coming, or shocks in areas very good idea, but then it morphed that we didn’t anticipate. We’ll fi nd again into very complex forms of new holes that we have to fi ll. In this structures that nobody could under- case, there were really so many. stand. I think those fi nancial innova- Th is notion of the fi nancial accelerator tions are very important, and they set wasn’t just a cute idea that the [Federal We didn’t see the fundamental up the system with expanding risk and Reserve] chairman [Ben Bernanke] concentrated risks that weren’t well connection between property busts came up with. It was central to our understood. understanding of how the macro- and collateral in the banking system, Second, there’s always a trigger that economy works, particularly when bringing the banking system toward happens, and the trigger was declining there are intense changes in fi nancial home prices. Many of us believed that conditions. So you do get these adverse insolvency, toward the edge of the home prices never fall. Th ere’s a good feedback loops that the fi nancial abyss. Put on top of that the buildup historical record of that. I think we all accelerator is all about. appreciate now that the subprime of leverage in the system—this acts Most of us as macro modelers came market was not viable if home prices as a multiplier. out of a tradition in which the trans- fell. But since we didn’t think home mission of monetary policy, the prices would fall, we didn’t worry fi nancial sector, is about real interest Sniderman: Should we expect to be about it. rates, about equity values, about the living with our mainstream workhorse Th en third, we just took too narrow dollar, with virtually no variables that macro models for some time, and should a view of the subprime problem. I we would call credit variables—they we feel good about that? Is there enough myself, and I think more generally just weren’t there. In milder times, progress there? many macroeconomists, had this that was OK. Th at probably got the Meyer: I love that question! So I think focus that it’s about subprime— job done. But when the situation we have two kinds of modeling tradi- relative to total mortgages, housing was the drying up of credit markets, tions. First there is the classic tradition. relative to the economy —we’re talking dysfunctional credit markets, you I was educated at MIT. I was a research about tenths [fractions]. How can that simply had to give the model more assistant to Franco Modigliani, Nobel be a problem? information than otherwise. laureate and the director of the project on the large-scale model that was used We didn’t see the fundamental Two things seem valuable that we’ve at the time at the Federal Reserve connection between property busts tried to integrate into our models. Board. Th is is the beginning of modern and collateral in the banking system, First would be “willingness to lend macro-econometric model building. bringing the banking system toward variables” from the senior loan offi cer Th at’s the kind of models that I would insolvency, toward the edge of the survey. Imprecise as it may be, it is use, the kind of models that folks at abyss. Put on top of that the buildup a measure of lending terms beyond the Board use. of leverage in the system—this acts rates. Th at’s very important and that wasn’t there, and I think we can F refrontF refront 23 Laurence H. Meyer Current Position: Economic Forecasting Awards: Vice Chairman, Director, and Co-Founder, Business Week, 1986 Macroeconomic Advisers Blue Chip Economic Indicators, 1993 and 1996 Past Positions: Education: Professor of Economics, Washington University Yale University, BA, 1965 Federal Reserve Governor, 1996–2002 Massachusett s Institute of Technology, PhD, 1970 Associations: Board of the National Economic Bureau of Economic Research Fellow of the National Association of Business Economists Th ere’s also another tradition that My views would be considered out- to do in the smaller, modern macro began to build up in the late seventies rageous in the academic community, models.
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