07:54:21 From g to All panelists : Ta com o microfone fechado, Je 07:54:32 From Jeanne Pilli to All panelists : D fala alguma coisa rpa G 07:54:42 From [email protected] to All panelists : hey everybody good morning! 07:55:00 From g to All panelists : Sim, D! :) 07:55:18 From DK to All panelists : Obrigada, G! 07:59:58 From Jeanne Pilli to All panelists : Noah, will Fabio and Silvia helps with the language selection? 08:00:57 From [email protected] to All panelists : Hola! 08:06:33 From Kigaku : Please donate here: https://www.upaya.org/programs/donate.php?id=2346 08:19:17 From [email protected] : Where are you from? Type an answer! 08:19:21 From [email protected] : I’m in Seattle. 08:19:25 From [email protected] : Physician. 08:19:30 From AC to All panelists : Vancouver wa. 08:19:34 From TH to All panelists : Boston MA 08:19:36 From SAL to All panelists : Bogotá, Colombia 08:19:37 From [email protected] : I’m trying to embrace this all… 08:19:38 From PJ to All panelists : Andalucía. 08:19:39 From DA to All panelists : Charlottesville, VA 08:19:39 From TH to All panelists : clinical social worker 08:19:41 From G to All panelists : Intern- Brazil 08:19:41 From MC to All panelists : I'm in Chicago. 08:19:43 From I to All panelists : Colorado. Retired physician. Grief. 08:19:44 From JKJ to All panelists : Eugene, Or; 08:19:45 From [email protected] : Beautiful everyone thank you!! 08:19:46 From s to All panelists : im in laguna Niguel ca....health psychologist....topic and Roshi 08:19:47 From JLC to All panelists : Im in Texas, palliative care physician 08:19:47 From jg to All panelists : in 08:19:47 From ER to All panelists : Hood River Oregon along the great Columbia River. 08:19:47 From MC to All panelists : chaplain 08:19:48 From MM to All panelists : Madrid Spain 08:19:48 From SC : I’m in Ashland, Wisconsin 08:19:48 From n to All panelists : whitehorse yukon (Canada ) I’m a victim services worker . 08:19:48 From L to All panelists : San Antonio Texas, Medical Oncologist. A good friend asked me to join 08:19:49 From BP to All panelists : uk psycotherapist 08:19:49 From MM : Albuquerque NM, psychiatric clinician in the ER 08:19:49 From TH to All panelists : Whidbey Island, WAshington 08:19:49 From SA to All panelists : New Orleans, licensed professional counselor, 08:19:49 From ms to All panelists : Psychotherapist from Vermont. Sharing space with others. 08:19:49 From m to All panelists : I’m in Tarragona 08:19:50 From BZ to All panelists : D Point California, I am a social worker 08:19:50 From T to All panelists : I'm in Eday, Orkney, Scotland 08:19:50 From MD to All panelists : Occupational therapist from Chile 08:19:50 From pg : I am a therapeutic musician in the Finger Lakes, NY 08:19:50 From a to All panelists : España trabajo con sanitarios desde la psicología 08:19:51 From CS to All panelists : Spain. Psychologist 08:19:51 From B to All panelists : San Francisco CA 08:19:51 From GG to All panelists : Kailua, Hawaii - Palliative Care physician 08:19:51 From GBS to All panelists : Virginia Beach, VA 08:19:51 From ikb to All panelists : The Netherlands 08:19:51 From BOM to All panelists : Madrid, España, Family medicine 08:19:51 From AHC to All panelists : Cádiz- España_ Psicologa 08:19:52 From KT to All panelists : ICU nurse, San Francisco 08:19:52 From KK to All panelists : Columbus, OH. Inpatient nurse practitioner. 08:19:52 From BMP to All panelists : Salamanca España. Me motiva el tema porque quiero ampliar conocimientos 08:19:52 From SAL to All panelists : physician in Colombia 08:19:52 From ES to All panelists : México, psychologist. 08:19:52 From kDH to All panelists : Hospice nurse practitioner in central Ohio…..doing staff support and need ideas & inspiration! 08:19:52 From MC to All panelists : Desde Buenos Aires, argentina. Psicologa 08:19:52 From HDH to All panelists : I am from Montreal, Canada 08:19:52 From NB to All panelists : psychotherapist in Greenville Sc. many of my clients are healthcare providers in distress 08:19:52 From ar to All panelists : Hola a todos desde Madrid 08:19:52 From WR to All panelists : Expat AmEn living in Mexico, founder of Comfort Care & Assistance 08:19:53 From SR to All panelists : Massachusetts Palliative Care Nurse Practitioner 08:19:53 From NM to All panelists : I am in Canada. I am a primary care giver 08:19:53 From MMM to All panelists : Austin, Tx. Palliative Hospital NP 08:19:53 From CP to All panelists : Carolina, Buenos Aires, Argentina, 08:19:53 From la to All panelists : Estoy en Bogotá, Colombia. 08:19:53 From cg to All panelists : Spain - 08:19:54 From A to All panelists : I am in the BayArea Californina. 08:19:54 From AW to All panelists : Physician from Toronto. 08:19:54 From SG : Santa Cruz. Teacher/caregiver. 08:19:54 From KG to All panelists : San Francisco, UCSF - practice nurse, out[patient setting Hem- Onc 08:19:54 From JS to All panelists : psychotherapist at UVA 08:19:55 From JKJ to All panelists : Nurse practitioner in hospice and palliative care. 08:19:55 From MAM to All panelists : un saludo cariñoso desde Córdoba España. 08:19:55 From s to All panelists : I’m in Ontario, Canada 08:19:55 From JSK to All panelists : I'm in Seoul, South Korea 08:19:55 From T to All panelists : Psychologist from Kansas City. Learning ways to be with suffering with grace 08:19:55 From GSV to All panelists : Argentina 08:19:55 From BOJ to All panelists : Madrid. España. Psicóloga clínica 08:19:56 From BH to All panelists : San Antonio, Texas. Psychiatrist, starting on Palliative Care 08:19:56 From TN to All panelists : San Francisco, ICU RN, KT (my friend) 08:19:56 From KL to All panelists : Minneapolis-St. Paul 08:19:56 From NCL to All panelists : San D, CA; Adult pulmonologist and mindfulness teacher; To be in community with other healthcare workers 08:19:57 From DS to All panelists : Columbus, OH. psychotherapist 08:19:57 From a to All panelists : españa, enfermera 08:19:57 From RH to All panelists : RH …..Ma 08:19:57 From GFdS to All panelists : i'm in São Paulo, Brasil e i'm psychologist in children hospital 08:19:57 From VR to All panelists : V in San Francisco. Chaplaincy student at SF General. My desire is to serve those who are dying. 08:19:57 From LF to All panelists : I´m in Spain 08:19:57 From l to All panelists : l psicóloga clinica brasil 08:19:57 From ap to All panelists : I’m in marin County, north of San Francisco 08:19:58 From EH : I'm in Kansas City. Mindfulness teacher. 08:19:58 From C to All panelists : I'm in Catalunya. Social worker emergency 08:19:58 From AC to All panelists : I am a chaplain. I live in Indianapolis 08:19:58 From DL to All panelists : we are from bsas argentina 08:19:58 From LS to All panelists : Chile, psychologyst 08:19:58 From Ana to All panelists : São Paulo, Brasil ! olá ! psicóloga 08:19:58 From AC to All panelists : palliative care practice background and nurse educator 08:19:58 From lg to All panelists : Little Rock, Arkansas. I’m the Palliative Care Chaplain at our Med Center 08:19:58 From MB to All panelists : Soy de Buenos Aires. Acompañante en el final de la vida 08:19:58 From RF to All panelists : Hola! antes que nada, GRACIAS. Soy de Argentina, Buenos Aires. Soy terapeuta 08:19:58 From CT to All panelists : Hola soy médico de paliativos en Madrid. Siento que nada será igual 08:19:58 From PP to All panelists : Scottsdale AZ psychiatrist and coach for physicians going though burnout or other suffering 08:19:58 From KD to All panelists : San Francisco, Chaplain at Children's Hospital. I'm always looking for ways to support our clinical team through challenges. 08:19:59 From S to All panelists : ESpañola. Geriatra. Residenicas de personas mayores 08:19:59 From CP to All panelists : Psicóloga de ESpaña, Salamanca... 08:19:59 From AM to All panelists : Soy Alejandra, vivo en La Plata, Argentina 08:19:59 From JMR to All panelists : De El Salvador, soy psicologo, 08:19:59 From HG : from British Columbia Canada 08:19:59 From K to All panelists : I am in San Francisco, CA. I work in hospice as a nurse. I have heard about this program from a family friend. 08:20:00 From cg to All panelists : Psychoterapist 08:20:00 From AB to All panelists : Cádiz, España 08:20:00 From ea to All panelists : Beth from Portland Maine, disabled physician, 5th Caring for Caregivers conference with you, so much love and gratitude 08:20:00 From AC to All panelists : HOLA! NUESTRO AGRADECIMIENTO DESDE CIUDAD DE MEXICO 08:20:00 From JH to All panelists : I’m in Toronto, Canada. I work as a Palliative Care physician. 08:20:00 From IP to All panelists : Alicante, España. 08:20:01 From CS to All panelists : I’m from Mexico. I’m a psychologist 08:20:01 From DM to All panelists : Psychologist in San Antonio, TX 08:20:01 From RB to All panelists : I am in Ottawa Canada 08:20:01 From LM to All panelists : LM, RN Bozeman, MT 08:20:01 From TW to All panelists : Ithaca, NY--Clinical Counselor/therapist Cornell University--to be together 08:20:01 From KS to All panelists : Southern California ; mental health professional; Caring for self and others 08:20:01 From TH to All panelists : Nursing home physician 08:20:01 From TE to All panelists : Denver CO 08:20:01 From MS to All panelists : I am a counselor, care-giver, EOL Doula from Crestone, Colorado 08:20:01 From CS to All panelists : A chaplain from Oregon 08:20:02 From K to All panelists : Lexington KY, USA Hospice volunteer 08:20:02 From AO to All panelists : Menorca. Spain 08:20:02 From GC to All panelists : GC from Chicago, Illinois 08:20:02 From JC to All panelists : A Arbor, MI, Physician 08:20:02 From ME to All panelists : Bogotá Colombia. Medical Doctor in a Palliative care unit. I want to know how to help me and other to face the suffer 08:20:02 From ID to All panelists : In San Mateo, CA; online teacher; practice at Zen Center San Francisco 08:20:03 From M to All panelists : Michigan, Social Worker 08:20:03 From CVA to All panelists : estoy en murcia españa 08:20:03 From TF to All panelists : I am in Los Angeles, I am wellness director for all 1000 medical residents, I wanted to learn more about how to be with them all 08:20:03 From lv : I am in Oakland, California 08:20:03 From EG to All panelists : Gracn 08:20:04 From IO to All panelists : iris de México TANATOLOGIA 08:20:04 From CBN to All panelists : Hello, I'm a nurse (40 years) from Central FL, and a hospice chaplain. 08:20:04 From EM to All panelists : Madrid, Spain 08:20:04 From BC to All panelists : Jupiter Florida 08:20:04 From EF to All panelists : Albuquerque, NM, UNM, Palliative medicine doctor. I'm holding a lot of sadness and hope, simultaneously. 08:20:04 From KB to All panelists : Portland Oregon, Mental Health Counselor. Truely wanting to be better at self-care. 08:20:05 From LR to All panelists : soy de Perú, soy psicóloga y deseo aprender más para sostener a otras personas 08:20:05 From AS to All panelists : Argentina 08:20:05 From MM : San Antonio, TX. Palliative Medicine Physician. Encouraged to attend by a colleague 08:20:05 From S to All panelists : Puerto Vallarta Mexico. Chaplain. Roshi Joan! 08:20:05 From M to All panelists : Hola a todos. Estoy en Buenos Aires. Soy Medico Clinico y administrador de Salud 08:20:05 From C to All panelists : Spain 08:20:05 From VS to All panelists : Mexico, Psychooncology 08:20:06 From DCVG to All panelists : I am in Colombia. I am Pshycologist 08:20:06 From LF to All panelists : Mindfulness teacher 08:20:06 From EB to All panelists : Chicago,IL. Retired APRN. Previously attended Being with Dying 08:20:06 From KP to All panelists : Nashville, Clinical Ethicist, looking for more tools and support for self and others 08:20:06 From DP to All panelists : I'm from Brazil. I study psychology. 08:20:06 From AS to All panelists : Amy from Salt Lake City, UT. Mental health therapist 08:20:06 From MM to All panelists : Hospice RN in San Francisco Bay Area 08:20:06 From MR to All panelists : Hello, mi name is Manuela and I am in the south of Spain. 08:20:06 From i to All panelists : I am Inma, from Spain. Neurologist doctor 08:20:06 From L to All panelists : Madrid, Spain, Healthcare social worker 08:20:07 From RSP : Minnesota, Lutheran Pastor and Spiritual Director 08:20:08 From AH to All panelists : Colombia. Mi motivación es tener un corazón compasivo 08:20:09 From HA to All panelists : I'm in Vermont. Hospice volunteer; Chaplain in training. 08:20:09 From m to All panelists : cape Cod Mass, 08:20:09 From ac to All panelists : Physician from Ontario, Canada 08:20:09 From jc to All panelists : i, am in sante fe just arrived from Canada in February,, home hospice nurse 08:20:09 From FB to All panelists : I´m in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I´m a clinician, er doctor 08:20:09 From J to All panelists : I’m a psychologist living in Utah (from Canada). I wanted to learn more about how to accept suffering so I can provide more help. 08:20:10 From JKJ to All panelists : Joined because I’ve been to being with dying and enjoy this team 08:20:10 From A to All panelists : I am a Palliative Care RN 08:20:10 From eb to All panelists : eb, 08:20:10 From UPAYA AV to All panelists : Upaya House - Professional Residents 08:20:10 From bj to All panelists : Minnesota, psychotherapist 08:20:10 From A to All panelists : Houston, Texas. Nurse/ chaplain 08:20:11 From PS to All panelists : Brussels, Belgium. Trainee craniosacral therapist 08:20:11 From AF to All panelists : hi all! I´m Anna from Barcelona. Psichologist and Mindfulness meditation. Thanks for helping us!!!! 08:20:12 From C to All panelists : de Perú! Psicóloga clínica 08:20:12 From E to All panelists : Psychologist in San Antonio TX 08:20:12 From s to All panelists : physician, to be together with others in our suffering 08:20:12 From JS to All panelists : Millville Utah 08:20:13 From MC to All panelists : Hospice Social Worker 08:20:13 From 7918 to All panelists : I am a nurse....in lleida....(sapin) 08:20:13 From EL to All panelists : I am in upstate NY, Kingston, I’m a hospitalist in a community hospital in Rhinebeck NY. I love being in the presence of Tony, Cynda and Roshi Joan!!! 08:20:13 From B to All panelists : Retired physician doing ER and hospice for over 40 years. Live in California 08:20:14 From GM to All panelists : Brazil, clinical psychologist! i just konw that is the right place to be now! 08:20:14 From DH to All panelists : Baltimore MD nurse in community mental health 08:20:14 From SK to All panelists : SK, nurse, Albuquerque-experience of grief 08:20:15 From SV to All panelists : From Colombia 08:20:15 From j to All panelists : Columbus Ohio: Nurse Practitioner inpatient medical oncology : working on my doctorate that involves therapeutic communication with the dying 08:20:15 From JC to All panelists : Annapolis, Mland. Hospice physician/Palliative physician working in hospital. 08:20:15 From GP to All panelists : Hospital Chaplain Recommended by a Palliative Care Doc. 08:20:15 From DA to All panelists : There are 2 of us watching together-one a psychotherapist, the other a chaplain 08:20:15 From DP : I'm from Brazil. I study psychology. 08:20:15 From jg to All panelists : Oakland CA. midwife 08:20:16 From CB to All panelists : I am a palliative medicine physician in Cooperstown NY. I am motivated in helping to hold suffering. 08:20:16 From BB to All panelists : Maui, Hawaii 08:20:16 From MR to All panelists : Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil - Psicóloga 08:20:16 From MB : BC, Canada - clinical psychology student and RN 08:20:16 From AN to All panelists : Neuquén, Argentina. Psicóloga y maestra de yoga 08:20:16 From S to All panelists : SF Bay Area, California. Palliative Care physician. I'm struggling with the emotions and exhaustion of coping with the pandemic. 08:20:16 From sb to All panelists : vermont, college advisor for pre-mrs students 08:20:16 From C : hola!! soy C, de zaragoza, España 08:20:16 From EF to All panelists : México, Yucatán. Quiero formarme aún más para ayudar a más personas. 08:20:16 From JO to All panelists : medical office admin from upstate Ny 08:20:17 From JS to All panelists : Social Worker 08:20:17 From BL to All panelists : Brooklyn NY, Palliative Nurse Practitioner. Revisiting this course when taken over 10 years ago at the center 08:20:17 From KC to All panelists : I'm in seminary in Minneapolis. Buddhist priest and chaplain. came in March to Upaya. 08:20:17 From FM to All panelists : Brasil, occupational therapist 08:20:17 From AW to All panelists : In the Bay Area. Home caregiver, chaplain, artist. 08:20:17 From DA to All panelists : Western Massachusetts, Chaplain, To practice moral resilience. 08:20:17 From n to All panelists : Portland Maine. I did GRACE training with you. I am physiatrist at Maine Medical. 08:20:17 From KL to All panelists : Substance Use Therapist 08:20:17 From am to All panelists : antonella, enfermeira, região amazônica, brasil. o medo e a compaixão, como conviver... muito obrigada 08:20:17 From V to All panelists : Greetings from Buenos Aires. I´m a hospice worker and inspired to be here 08:20:18 From E to All panelists : I'm in New Hampshire and am a social worker working with families with ALS....;) 08:20:18 From K to All panelists : In Little Rock, Arkansas. LCSW in private practice and meditation teacher 08:20:18 From HV to All panelists : Vancouver Island, BC, Canada 08:20:18 From dm : Oakland CA MFT 08:20:19 From BB to All panelists : Raleigh, NC Physician 08:20:19 From HR : northern New Mexico, RN, chaplain..quarantined 08:20:19 From AR to All panelists : Hi All, My name is AR. I am in Michigan. I am a clinical therapist. 08:20:19 From BVE to All panelists : GP in Galicia, Spain 08:20:19 From EFG to All panelists : I am in New Mexico. I am a palliative medicine physician. 08:20:19 From MDB : Greetings from Boston MA, Chaplain 08:20:19 From M to All panelists : Alicante, España. 08:20:20 From JR to All panelists : electric city, WA. clinical nurse, infection control 08:20:20 From GSG to All panelists : SF Bay Area. trauma psychotherapist. clients are all impacted by the virus, as well as the political situation. there's a lot to be with. I've got my own big feelings too. 08:20:20 From BB : Vermont. Hospice spiritual caregiver 08:20:20 From EB to All panelists : I’m in Phoenix, Arizona, Hospice Social Worker, reconnecting with the BWD faculty for support and tools 08:20:21 From TF to All panelists : Barcelona, psicologa 08:20:21 From HM to All panelists : I am in Japan, and so nice to see you. 08:20:21 From B to All panelists : I am a Pediatric Palliative Care nurse at UCSF 08:20:21 From H to All panelists : i’m in Oakland, CA, furloughed hospice volunteer, not allowed to be at the hospital now 08:20:21 From KM to All panelists : KM I'm a Mental Health & Wellness Coach supporting frontline healthcare workers. I'm from Vancouver Canada, right on the ocean! 08:20:22 From mr to All panelists : I’m an Australian psychotherapist/mental health social worker currently living in Bolivia 08:20:22 From EG to All panelists : Gran Canaria, España, psiquiatry 08:20:22 From JS to All panelists : My name is J, I’m in the Bay Area, California. I’m a hospice RN and a certified end of life doula. 08:20:22 From sr to All panelists : I am a psychologist in San Luis Obispo 08:20:22 From J to All panelists : Psychotherapist Scottsdale AZ 08:20:22 From IA to All panelists : I am an End of Life Doula and Energy Healer from Durango, CO 08:20:22 From A to All panelists : Charlottesville, Va 08:20:22 From RS to All panelists : San Jose, CA Nursing Student 08:20:22 From OD to All panelists : Diamantina, Brasil - Mindfulness teacher 08:20:23 From C to All panelists : I live in Madrid,Spain, i am nurse and work in continued formation 08:20:23 From JW to All panelists : Phoenix,az social worker in hospice and hospital 08:20:23 From MM to All panelists : Desde Argentina. Medica Psiquiatra 08:20:24 From kD : Im in Toronto Canada. I provide complementary care in a large long term care home. 08:20:24 From AH to All panelists : Virginia; mental health professional in a non profit for marginalized communities 08:20:24 From 4057 : Valladolid,spain.medical doctor.learn tools 08:20:25 From SD to All panelists : I'm from Mexico , Psychotherapist 08:20:25 From CM to All panelists : Chicago, IL Social Worker 08:20:25 From ACto All panelists : I am AC; physician. My Practice is in palliative care. Sao Paulo, Brazil 08:20:25 From SN to All panelists : I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'm a social worker who manages a program for employee well-being in a large academic hospital setting. 08:20:25 From DH to All panelists : Baltimore MD hospice chaplain 08:20:26 From GK to All panelists : In Denver. General pediatrician. Recommended by a colleague. 08:20:26 From AB to All panelists : Psicóloga social 08:20:26 From GSV to All panelists : Desde Argentina. Psicólogo integrante de un equipo de Cuidados Paliativos en Buenos Aires. 08:20:26 From ms : I am a family physician in Ottawa, Canada 08:20:26 From sh to All panelists : I am a consultation-liaison psychiatrist at a hospital in Atlanta. 08:20:26 From N to All panelists : soy de España Cataluña. voluntaria paliativos 08:20:26 From AM to All panelists : New York City physician and chaplain in training 08:20:28 From pw to All panelists : Ventura, California. Palliative Care Psychologist. 08:20:28 From ns to All panelists : I’m in Berkeley, Ca Licensed Clinical Social Worker 08:20:28 From TE to All panelists : Clinical SW - encouraged to attend by a Death Doula friend 08:20:28 From s to All panelists : Stephanie Hiller, writer, Sonoma CA 08:20:28 From ns to All panelists : Nashville, TN, I'm CMO of a large hospital and so am seeing all of my providers hurting every day. 08:20:28 From df to All panelists : D here from Florida- Chaplain at Tampa General Hospital- trauma 1. 08:20:28 From EH to All panelists : Weesp, the Netherlands, Artist working in the field of mourning and consolation 08:20:29 From IK to All panelists : IK de Buenos Aires Argentina, un duro invierno estamos pasando en plena pandemia aumentando 08:20:30 From LP to All panelists : Palliative care physician in Pittsburgh. Have been wanting to join one of these sessions for years, but I have limited travel because I have small children. 08:20:30 From NDERE to All panelists : Boogie Down Bronx. The South Bronx of AmE. I am a creative working at the intersection of art and healing. I work with communities who have been historically oppressed and exploited. This has become more obvious this time. 08:20:30 From SM to All panelists : Calgary Alberta Canada. RN Hospice Calgary. 08:20:30 From ER to All panelists : layperson sitting with grief , loss and being a presence for others suffering 08:20:31 From CBH to All panelists : Albuquerque NM. Clinician/Director at UNM first episode psychosis clinic 08:20:31 From MCP to All panelists : Granada ,España. Medico primera linea 08:20:32 From C : soy médica de familia 08:20:32 From SC : Spiritual chaplain/minister, I’m here to learn more about serving clinicians as well as patients 08:20:32 From GS to All panelists : Working for Cal-Mat providing counseling support to patients and staff. California 08:20:32 From NW to All panelists : We are emergency and family physicians with palliative care work, from Toronto, Canada 08:20:32 From T to All panelists : Santa Fe. Naturopath, Homeopath, Nutritionist, Craniosacral. Started a practice here recently and have a practice in London. 08:20:33 From RB to All panelists : I am a physician doing psychotherapy, 08:20:33 From MD to All panelists : Santa Fe , Nm, psychotherapist .....so much suffering 08:20:33 From Ana to All panelists : aumentar a capacidade de compaixão e auto compaixão na prática clínica 08:20:34 From lg to All panelists : I am in Bergen County New Jersey. Palliative Care APN 08:20:34 From PE to All panelists : Ciudad de México, Psicoterapeuta y Tanatóloga 08:20:34 From LByCA to All panelists : hello. We are from Madrid,Spain. I am acupuntor and my wife is pshicologist 08:20:34 From AB : Chaplain, San Jose,, California. 08:20:34 From DL : Hello, I'm DL and I live in the SF Bay Area and I am a Palliative Care RN in the Skilled Nursing Facilities 08:20:35 From PM to All panelists : Brazil. Nursing 08:20:35 From MT to All panelists : Hospice spiritual care counselor (chaplain) from Northern CA 08:20:35 From BOJ to All panelists : Acompañarme y acompañar eel sufrimiento 08:20:36 From JMI to All panelists : I’m in Toronto, Canada and I’m a retired family physician doing ACP and End-of-Life counselling. Past attendee of Being with Dying. 08:20:36 From RL to All panelists : Massachusetts USA nurse 08:20:36 From C to All panelists : Greetings from Santa Fe New Mexico. I am a social worker. 08:20:37 From WS to All panelists : I’m WS. I live in Taos, NM. I am an end-of-life doula. I was invited by H, and felt drawn to this particular retreat for many reasons during this time. BLESSINGS! 08:20:37 From KG : San Francisco, UCSF - practice nurse, outpatient setting Hem-Onc 08:20:37 From V to All panelists : soy V vivo en Argentina soy Psicóloga 08:20:37 From CVB to All panelists : Célia Varela, Pedagoga, Brasil 08:20:37 From IP to All panelists : necesito aprender de toda vuestra experiencia, mi camino se dirige a acompañar a los que mueren 08:20:37 From MYW to All panelists : I’m in Renton, Washington. I’m a Mental Health Counselor, Drama Therapist, Clinical Supervisor and Spiritual Director. 08:20:37 From JB to All panelists : Greetings from MA, I'm working as a Hospice Chaplain 08:20:37 From KP : I am a volunteer chaplain at a regional hospice in the UK. Motivated by evident need to be with this. 08:20:38 From T to All panelists : Im an advanced nurse practitioner working in primary care but used to be an ITU Charge Nurse 08:20:38 From JH to All panelists : Cleveland Ohio- critical care paramedic, upaya chaplaincy student. here to help myself and colleagues move through this pandemic 08:20:38 From AA to All panelists : Washington DC; Chaplain; Connecting to all of it with heart 08:20:38 From EC to All panelists : Bend, Oregon RN. I am married to a CCRN. 08:20:38 From CJ to All panelists : Columbus OH. Clinical Chaplain. came here to touch my suffering w/o judgement. 08:20:38 From v to All panelists : Valencia España psicologa 08:20:39 From LL to All panelists : I’m in NYC. Director of a resilience-focused org 08:20:39 From PB : From Freiburg, Germany, Resident physician in psychosomatic medicine 08:20:39 From fp to All panelists : I’m in California. I’m a hospice physician. 08:20:39 From SG to All panelists : SG. Florida USA. private practice. Hypnotherapist. coping with the endless suffering 08:20:39 From MLR to All panelists : I'am from Madrid 08:20:39 From MM to All panelists : Good morning, I am originally from the Dominican Republic, but living in Connecticut, USA. I am a psychologist and writer. I use both to help alleviate suffering. 08:20:40 From SR to All panelists : Thinking about chaplaincy studies…left long life work as health arts and sciences faculty…in Vermont 08:20:40 From AV to All panelists : Madrid. Enfermera. Aprender a ayudar mejor 08:20:41 From AB to All panelists : MN, Clinical Social Worker, Hospice and Palliative Care 08:20:41 From RA to All panelists : joshua tree California/Eugene Oregon 08:20:41 From ST to All panelists : My name is ST, I’m from Richmond, CA. I work in a psychiatric day treatment program in Berkeley CA. I’m an Marriage & Family Therapist. 08:20:41 From VA to All panelists : I am from argentina, psychologist 08:20:42 From A to All panelists : Soy A, enfermera de UCI en Madrid, España 08:20:42 From k to All panelists : Seattle, physician, wanting to be more present and maintain resilience with my patients, staff and family 08:20:42 From GC to All panelists : I am a trauma and addictions therapist 08:20:42 From T : Psychologist from Kansas City. Learning ways to be with suffering with grace 08:20:43 From AA to All panelists : Soy Angélica Adamoli, Soy de Brazil, trabajo em um hospital universitário em uma unidad de hemodialysis 08:20:43 From CJ to All panelists : Whidbey Island, Pall Care ARNP, to support myself and colleagues 08:20:43 From 14O to All panelists : Williamsburg MA, USA; Hospice RN working currently as a researcher and educator; I wanted to address my feelings of inadequacy at not being working in the clinical context, and especially how I can support my colleagues who are. WIth love- 08:20:44 From MAT to All panelists : Hola buen día! gracias, Psicologa y arte terapeuta de Colombia 08:20:44 From CP to All panelists : España, medica de emergencias 08:20:44 From AB to All panelists : De Logroño, españa. Psicóloga 08:20:44 From TOG to All panelists : Santo André SP Brasil: Ser acolhida e acolher os outros 08:20:45 From RS to All panelists : Olá! sou RS do Brasil. sou psicóloga apaixonada pelo trabalho com e para as pessoas gratidão 08:20:45 From mc to All panelists : I’m a hospice social worker, in Evanston, Illinois 08:20:45 From MC to All panelists : coloradosprings Colorado, chaplain. helping to start a foundation to work in the area of death and dying and doing research to listen and find out what the needs are that need help 08:20:45 From DR to All panelists : DR, Boise, Idaho. Physician 08:20:45 From R to All panelists : Hi, I am R from Spain. 08:20:46 From AC to All panelists : PSICOLOGAS ESPECIALIZADAS EN PSICOLOGIA CONTEMPLATIVA Y MINDFULNESS 08:20:46 From TJS to All panelists : Joinville, Brazil, reabilitation doctor 08:20:47 From sr to All panelists : Missoula, Montana, clarity, focus and a bit of grace… 08:20:47 From AD to All panelists : I’m in the Silicon Valley, a hospital and hospice chaplain, looking to support myself along with my inter profession team 08:20:47 From RS to All panelists : Vancouver BC 08:20:47 From T to All panelists : Utah, supporting nurses 08:20:48 From EG to All panelists : Hello from Boston MA; Senior Care Liaison; Compassionate Care ALS 08:20:48 From TH to All panelists : reconnecting with this incredible community 08:20:48 From LK to All panelists : Little Rock AR I am a social worker and in the Upaya chaplaincy program. I work with medically needy, prisons, and homelessness. 08:20:48 From JBL to All panelists : West Virginia, USA, role providing mindfulness programming to clinicians, how can we better help 08:20:49 From MB to All panelists : thank you for this session. London, U.K. craniosacral therapist in cancer support centre. 08:20:49 From jt to All panelists : Jeanne, Head Start Early Childhood Mental Health Consultant, Denver, CO 08:20:49 From KK to All panelists : Seeking further insight to deal with all of the emotions that accompany this pandemic, the various losses, and how to further help my staff. 08:20:49 From RH : ruthhousman in Las Cruces 08:20:50 From lr to All panelists : Bay Area, CA; chaplain resident 08:20:50 From 8SGM to All panelists : I am in Spain. Working in a company which will layoff people due to the crisis. working in HR 08:20:51 From K to All panelists : bayfield colorado, hospice chaplain, share experiences with this community 08:20:51 From Y to All panelists : Sonoma County CAlifornia. Hospice Family therapist 08:20:51 From NCM to All panelists : En Girona, España, soy Terapeuta de Resolución del 08:20:52 From SB to All panelists : Ireland - Psychologist 08:20:52 From ET : Elna from South Africa. Organizational Psychologist 08:20:52 From AHC to All panelists : Quiero mejorar la capacidad de estar con mis pacientes, más amabilidad… con mis pacientes, soy psicóloga clñinica en España 08:20:52 From DL to All panelists : we are volunteers and psychologists attending this Webinar, we live in Buenos aires argentina 08:20:53 From N to All panelists : Saludos from Puerto Rico psychologist 08:20:54 From JS : Hello from Cape E, Maine. I am a clinical psychologist joining to be a part of all of us dealing with the challenge of this pandemic. 08:20:54 From M to All panelists : Hola! soy M, enfermera de paliativos,Madrid 08:20:54 From lf to All panelists : Argentina, Bs AS, I AM JTA, PSICOLOGIST 08:20:55 From HG : concerned and grateful human...thank you for your presence,the front line workers. 08:20:55 From N to All panelists : Registered Nurse in NYC recovering from COVID-19. 08:20:56 From NCM to All panelists : trauma 08:20:57 From DZ to All panelists : Denver, Direct Care for Individuals with Cognitive Disabilities. 08:20:57 From Tony Back : wow so amazing to see the network unfold... 08:20:57 From MB to All panelists : No se puede oir español. He pedido traduccion a español, pero no funciona para mi 08:20:58 From GS to All panelists : Argentina, Buenos Aires. Licenciada en Psicología 08:20:58 From D to All panelists : Sacramento California, I am a psychotherapist seeking a center to meet this current time 08:20:58 From JC to All panelists : Being with Dying was not held because of the pandemic... had plan to attend again this year, grateful you are doing this. 08:20:59 From SC to All panelists : Sol Cano Chile psicooncologa el deseo de sentirme acompañada para acompañar a otros que lo necesiten 08:21:00 From RMN to All panelists : Hola todos, soy R y estoy desde Madrid 08:21:00 From AR to All panelists : Argentina, consultora psicológica, arteterapeuta, me motiva el dolor que se padece y percie 08:21:01 From 05SP : iOutside Seattle. retired psychologist but20 year hospice volunteer and champion of elder caregivers 08:21:01 From mh to All panelists : Viña del Mar, Chile, Médica Psiquiatra 08:21:01 From L to All panelists : España ,Burgos.Enfermera en residencia 08:21:01 From tb to All panelists : I’m a chaplaincy student with Roshi but am not a clinician. I work in human rights in Central AmE but the topic is equally relevant for me. 08:21:02 From NI to All panelists : Cascadia. Co-lead project echo dementia. Here to connect, learn, grow, find nourishment 08:21:02 From JMNM to All panelists : Colombia, biologist 08:21:03 From nr to All panelists : I'm in upstate New York, near Rochester. I'm a trauma counselor in private practice. Some of my clients are health care professionals and/or are dealing with Covid issues in some way. 08:21:03 From 8582 to All panelists : spiritual director, Austin Texas 08:21:03 From A to All panelists : Here to learn more compassionate resilience 08:21:03 From JK to All panelists : Aurora Colorado - school based child and family trauma therapist 08:21:04 From A to All panelists : I Lovelena! This is Tree 08:21:04 From PAZ to All panelists : De Colombia, acompaño a personal de la salud para sostener en la pandemia 08:21:04 From cv to All panelists : psycologist from brasil I work with pacientes with psichatric problems 08:21:04 From ST to All panelists : San Francisco, CA — just moved here from NYC. Physician — fellow in Pediatric Palliative Care. I’m here to process the experience of COVID in NYC and prepare myself for the road ahead in Palliative Care 08:21:04 From B to All panelists : Biddeford. Chaplain, Maine. Psychiatrist. Wanting to help— others and also myself. 08:21:05 From MTGP to All panelists : Soy María Teresa, desde Madrid, España...Soy Psicóloga, mi interesa ayudar a los demás a paliar su sufrimiento... 08:21:05 From ELG to All panelists : Hola soy Eli , terapeuta de Tarragona ( España) 08:21:05 From GAA to All panelists : Hi! I´m from R, Argentina. I´m biologcal decoder 08:21:05 From RV to All panelists : Madrid psychologist 08:21:06 From TOG to All panelists : psicóloga 08:21:06 From RF to All panelists : Psychologist from Argentina :) 08:21:07 From ts to All panelists : Hello ImTakeshi Sasara,from Okinawa Japan Palliative care physician 08:21:07 From FM to All panelists : Argentina, Clinical Psychlogist 08:21:07 From FX : I am in Boston, MA … I am a peer grief support specialist working with people bereaved by an overdose. The caregivers I work with and the disenfranchised people I serve are heavy affected. I’m here to be connected to you all for a few hours before I go back out there. 08:21:07 From Y to All panelists : Longyun, CA, hospital chaplain 08:21:07 From WH to All panelists : Overland, Missouri. Maternal-Fetal Medicine. To hear and to share 08:21:07 From CC to All panelists : I am in Charlottesville, Va. I am a department chair in School of Nursing. I am in this space because we are making tough decisions that impact the life of faculty and students. Getting a bit weary of holding the Stepford wife face in leadership meetings. 08:21:09 From bm to All panelists : Baltimore, hospice volunteer, Grief counselor 08:21:09 From AA : de Tenerife, islas canarias 08:21:09 From MR to All panelists : Busco recursos para me cuidar e melhor e oferecer melhor cuidados aos que por mim "passarem" 08:21:09 From MS to All panelists : From Maryvillee, TN, social worke, who has found Roshi´s writing extremy helpful 08:21:10 From m to All panelists : I am a nurse in tarragona’s ICU (Spain) 08:21:11 From LB to All panelists : From Bogotá, Colombia, Suramérica. 08:21:11 From ARamey to All panelists : Portland, OR RN in Clinical Research; consent pts. and their families, witness to the need for hope 08:21:11 From EO to All panelists : LCSW- Inpatient Palliative Care Team- Chapel Hill, NC- University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Medical Center 08:21:11 From CF to All panelists : I live in Northern California and work as a palliative care physician. I wanted a way to understand my feelings about working through a pandemic as well as a sense of community from colleagues who are dealing with the same thing 08:21:12 From SR to All panelists : Need to awake my spirit and find ways to serve in an awake and conscious state 08:21:12 From AA to All panelists : professora de educaccion fisica 08:21:12 From R to All panelists : España.para compartir.educadora social 08:21:12 From KC to All panelists : Cape Cod, Mass. Caregiver, how to be able to continue to do this work 08:21:12 From TC to All panelists : I'm in Brisbane, Australia. Buddhist nun, offering spiritual care in hospice work. 08:21:12 From IG to All panelists : I am Irma from México. I am Body Therapist. I coordinate workshops for cancer patients and their families 08:21:13 From AG to All panelists : Estoy en Madrid, España. soy psicólogo 08:21:13 From ks : I am from Philadelphia and I am a palliative care chaplain 08:21:14 From M to All panelists : Trabajo de psicóloga en servicios sociales en el ayuntamiento de mi ciudad. Alicante, españa 08:21:15 From V to All panelists : quiero estar presente con toda mi humanidad para mis pacientes. gracias infinitas 08:21:16 From FMH to All panelists : Felix desde Burgos España 08:21:16 From MA to All panelists : Columbus, Ohio; Mental Health Clinical Nurse Specialist- retired; Encouraged to attend by colleague; Continue to mentor nurses who are caring for others 08:21:17 From RTJ to All panelists : in San Tan Valley, Arizona. Hospice Social Worker, need for self care! 08:21:19 From LP : Family medicine doc living in Minneapolis, MN, working at a community health center primarily with latinx immigrants and healthcare for the homeless. We're a COVID testing site, too. 08:21:20 From DS to All panelists : Beautiful greetings I am in ohio I am a nurse and Iwant to share being with all of you 08:21:21 From DS to All panelists : Chicago, social worker, sustainability to continue work with integrity 08:21:22 From A to All panelists : Hello, I work for the NCI's Cancer Information Service in Seattle, WA. I'm very excited to be here today to see what I can learn. Thank you for this program. 08:21:22 From B to All panelists : LCSW San D 08:21:23 From MD to All panelists : Portland, Oregon. Hospital Social Worker. I need some help and hope., which you all gave me long ago at Being with Death and Dying. Thank you. 08:21:25 From AA to All panelists : y trabajo com meditatacion mindfulness 08:21:25 From YI to All panelists : Cambridge, MA. End-of-Life Doula/Hospice volunteer/grief coach. Niece MD in Covid19 ward. 08:21:28 From CC to All panelists : Santa Fe, in Chaplaincy training 08:21:29 From L : España, psicóloga. 08:21:29 From ap to All panelists : I’m a nurse midwife, now working as a Case Investigator for the county. I did my accompaniment and suffering by phone. 08:21:31 From lv : I am in Oakland, California. Physician . Learning the practice of holding grief with grace 08:21:33 From LR to All panelists : Madrid (España). Enfermera 08:21:34 From AH to All panelists : I am a clinical social worker in western Massachusetts, USA. I am engaged in Telehealth with clients who are isolated and suffering and I want to maintain my capacity to be present and not exhaust myself. 08:21:34 From RA to All panelists : Psychiatrist-referred by a wise therapist :) 08:21:35 From JMR to All panelists : Soy psicologo y acompaño al personal de salud (medicos, enfermeras) ante la pandemia y he sido parte de un equipo que he acompañado a enfermos en fase terminal 08:21:36 From PF to All panelists : Saludos desde Madrid, España 08:21:36 From mlb to All panelists : Hola, Psicóloga en Barcelona 08:21:37 From SL to All panelists : Vallejo, Ca social worker supporting both patients and clinicians struggling to bear suffering and to help others 08:21:38 From IL to All panelists : Al AIn, UAE, not a health [profesional, interested in the subject 08:21:40 From SI to All panelists : I’m a psychologist in NYC 08:21:41 From MEM to All panelists : MEM, médica. Cuidados Paliativos Argentina 08:21:41 From MJ to All panelists : Psicóloga, S de Chile 08:21:42 From MB to All panelists : Bilbao, Basque Country. Nurse. 08:21:43 From J to All panelists : Desde España. Soy Psicóloga 08:21:44 From CBN to All panelists : I do ongoing training for our hospice staff, including orientation, so I'm here to add to my intention of doing the best I can for my patients, but also to take back info for training. Encouraging staff to be compassionate to our patients, but to ourselves as well. 08:21:44 From nb : I´m in Bogotá, COLOMBIA, SA. Family physician. 08:21:45 From CP to All panelists : Mi motivación es utilizar los recursos que se me ofrecen para estar lo mejor posible para saber estar con los que sufren, pues todos sufrimos hoy y a mí lo que me sostiene es sentir que no estoy sóla, de verdad 08:21:46 From MM to All panelists : I am looking for new ways to help with grace and compassion. 08:21:46 From jD to All panelists : music-Thanatologist in Olympia, WA 08:21:55 From AA to All panelists : y lo trabajo com el equipo y pacientes, la muerte acerca y perdas esta muy dificil 08:21:55 From mn to All panelists : Buenas tardes, soy Manuela de Madrid España. Soy psicóloga clínica. Trabajo en el sistema público de salud 08:21:56 From JHC to All panelists : I'm a university student from Seoul, South Korea 08:21:56 From m to All panelists : Oregon. social worker 08:21:58 From HS to All panelists : British Columbia CA. Youth Addictions Counsellor and Clinical supervisor 08:22:00 From c to All panelists : nurse practitioner, meditation/mindfulness teacher, Nevada city, california 08:22:05 From GC to All panelists : wanting to be more skillful and present to my own, and my clients, suffering 08:22:05 From KS to All panelists : I’m from Galveston, TX. I’m a psychotherapist and COVID-19 is making its way into my practice. I want to support my clients the best I can. I’m also a nurse and was invited to volunteer some hours to do Contract Tracing for the Galveston County Health Department 08:22:08 From c to All panelists : Madrid, Spain. I'm pediatrician. i want to learn 08:22:09 From K to All panelists : San D, Family medicine, want to help myself and others. Also can you address "sideline guilt" those of us in medicine not in hospitals 08:22:09 From WB to All panelists : Richmond, Virginia; psychologist; supporting psychological well-being of healthcare professionals; I'm here to feel a sense of community and gain perspective for how to be most helpful 08:22:10 From MD to All panelists : Denver, Colorado. Clinical Psychologist. Tending to the suffering/grief of self and others and living with integrity in spite of this suffering, rather than from a place of ignoring or pushing away this grief. 08:22:11 From ML to All panelists : ML, Spring Lake, MI, Psychologist 08:22:14 From SE to All panelists : I am from Denver Spiritually support Here to see how to support the practitioner 08:22:15 From MM : Hospice RN in Berkeley, CA 08:22:15 From AC : nurse educator with long history of palliative care and oncology 08:22:15 From RB to All panelists : wanting some space for me today to explore these difficult questions and feelings in community, intention to make this about me and what I need to hold space for me and others in what has happened and what is to come 08:22:17 From CW to All panelists : Amsterdam, changing my career from engineering machine to make a switch to health care environment, Bless your hearts for all your kindness, generosity sharing your wisdoms., with love good blessings C 08:22:18 From s to All panelists : from Brazil! psicologa, neuropsicóloga 08:22:18 From L to All panelists : Deming, WA - Nurse Practitioner. Green Labyrinth - A retreat center to address grief, loss and burnout for family and professional caregivers. Currently providing service on-line for cancer patients, survivors and oncology providers. 08:22:20 From c to All panelists : Montevieo, Uruguay. Pediatrician 08:22:21 From A to All panelists : I am here to practice staying open and not loosing my self to grief. 08:22:22 From B to All panelists : So grateful to you all for being here and holding this space 08:22:24 From MD : Denver, Colorado. Clinical Psychologist. Tending to the suffering/grief of self and others and living with integrity in spite of this suffering, rather than from a place of ignoring or pushing away this grief. 08:22:26 From AC to All panelists : Voluntaria en paliativos en un hospital en Madrid (ESpaña) 08:22:27 From jg to All panelists : Oakland CA, midwife 08:22:28 From JR to All panelists : Gracias desde Valencia (España) 08:22:29 From C to All panelists : Soy C de Burgos, España. 08:22:30 From PP : Scottsdale AZ psychiatrist and coach serving physicians transforming their own burnout into vital living and serving 08:22:30 From M to All panelists : Good morning everyone¡Im an OBGYN from Mexico . I had a dificult time in the hospital, I was depres, I decided to quit wich make me more depres. So I get more close to meditation. I start to follow up Dharmadatta Institute and I saw the invitation. Inmidiately I said YES 08:22:31 From RB to All panelists : Thank you for this opportunity 08:22:31 From m to All panelists : DK, Corrales, NM, Oncology Psychologist, to learn more to be able to serve better 08:22:33 From MC to All panelists : Ireland. Palliative medicine doctor. Thanks for this webinar 08:22:37 From AA to All panelists : Philadelphia, PA, educator/researcher and mindfulness/compassion teacher 08:22:41 From MR to All panelists : I amesidential monitor in a center for people with sever mental illness r 08:22:42 From HS to All panelists : I want to be better able to acknowledge and support the suffering 08:22:45 From DA to All panelists : Atlanta - global health physician. Greetings! 08:22:48 From Tony Back : Sending love to you all 08:22:50 From eb to All panelists : eb, therapist, new york, lost brother to cover, and daughter a nurse on covid unit at Columbia Presbyterian 08:22:50 From Tony Back : Hi D! 08:22:57 From Tony Back : Hello D A! 08:23:03 From LP : Thank you for this space to replenish my cup and center my heart. 08:23:09 From Eclqs to All panelists : México/ art therapy 08:23:10 From VG to All panelists : Buenos Aires, Argentina. Psicóloga. Gracias por este encuentro maravilloso!! 08:23:18 From JSK to All panelists : I'm in Seoul, South Korea. Mindfulness and Compassion teacher... 08:23:21 From M to All panelists : I´m from São Paulo, Brasil. I´m not from any clinical field. I´m a volunteer that receives phone calls from people that want to talk about their feelings and needs. I´m here to learn more how to listen to them 08:23:22 From FMH to All panelists : FM, Psychiatrist, from Burgos Spain. 08:23:32 From Wendy to All panelists : Wow, so great to see everyone from all over the world! Thank you for being here. 08:23:45 From Wendy : Wow, so great to see everyone from all over the world! Thank you for being here. 08:24:06 From CS to All panelists : I am an RN in North Carolina, US. Was a progressive care nurse who has just reentered field with a position as a hospice nurse. Ive learned that we as clinicians must address our own trauma from what we witness to be able continue and be present both with work and personally. 08:24:44 From tc to All panelists : I’m a psychologist and somatic experiencing practitioner. I’m here to learn hoe to hold my own suffering and in relationship with the other. How to hold loving caring space?thank you everyone! 08:24:47 From D to All panelists : I’m in Campinas, São Paulo, Brazil. Psychology student. 08:24:49 From MM to All panelists : As a family member or as a friend, I been bless with the opportunity to share times with them on health challenging times and transition. 08:25:13 From SW : Nurse practitioner from Williamsburg, Virginia 08:25:43 From nr : From Galicia and Barcelona (Spain) 08:25:47 From P : España Psicóloga 08:26:12 From v to All panelists : Brasil, psicóloga 08:26:27 From NDERE : qué bien que hay tantas personas de España. Saludos desde el Bronx, Nueva York/ 08:26:48 From mr to All panelists : It’s my hope today to be part of a community of clinicians practicing radical compassion and presence in the face of these challenging times 08:26:48 From NCM to All panelists : saludos!!!! 08:26:58 From Tony Back : thank you so much for these introductions—i love these aspirations... 08:28:50 From Tony Back : “our presence…gives us rest…and energy” 08:29:16 From Tony Back : “our grounding deeply influences…how others see us…a kind of still point…" 08:29:25 From Tony Back : “attentional balance is a kind of anchor…” 08:30:08 From Tony Back : “the geographies of resilience…and compassion…” 08:30:59 From Tony Back : Exercise…”a chance to surface…your experience” 08:31:00 From Wendy : Thank you all for your presence here so we can bring this presence out to our work and the world. 08:31:44 From Tony Back : “A question to write about…as you write, stay aware of your experience in the body, and what emotions are present…and what thoughts?…" 08:32:21 From Tony Back : “Think back on the last few months…what has been the most challenging for you?…the biggest challenge you’ve faced?” 08:32:25 From Tony Back : 3 min. 08:32:39 From Tony Back : Notice your experience. Don’t edit. Just write. 08:32:51 From Tony Back : Freely. Don’t feel you have to write a perfect statement. 08:32:56 From Tony Back : First thought, best thought... 08:33:14 From Tony Back : Begin! 08:35:44 From Tony Back to All panelists : thank you roshi nice start! 08:36:05 From Wendy : The schedule for the day is now up on the resource page https://www.upaya.org/resources/being-with-suffering-resource-page/ �� 08:36:29 From Tony Back to All panelists : “Notice what’s happening in your subjectivity…in the body…what emotion 08:36:45 From Tony Back to All panelists : “And what thought is passing through…” 08:37:01 From Tony Back to All panelists : Please write a couple of words (or more) here in the chat. 08:37:13 From jc to All panelists : tears coming to eyes 08:37:16 From Tony Back to All panelists : What emerged for you? 08:37:17 From NM to All panelists : tired, disconnected, missing hugs 08:37:23 From KB to All panelists : I feel tension and in thought: I feel helpless to help 08:37:27 From Tony Back to All panelists : Thank you J and K! 08:37:35 From Tony Back to All panelists : N, yes… 08:38:05 From Tony Back : Thank you J and K and N! 08:38:08 From Tony Back : Any other words 08:38:16 From Tony Back : Please write a couple of words here... 08:38:27 From K to All panelists : heartbreak 08:38:29 From 05SP : the clarity is stabliltizing 08:38:32 From S to All panelists : raw nerve endings all over the body 08:38:49 From 14O to All panelists : surprise at what I am grieving 08:38:53 From Tony Back : “Recall a time when you were able to provide care aligned with your values, from a place of compassion, congruent with the needs of the patient…” 08:39:01 From FB to All panelists : fear, sadness 08:39:02 From Tony Back : O and S, thank you! 08:39:08 From Tony Back : S, beautiful 08:39:17 From Tony Back : F, feeling you... 08:39:23 From SR to All panelists : When I wasn’t fearful for my own health or safety 08:39:39 From Tony Back : “Allow yourself to notice what is happening in the body, emotions, thoughts” 08:39:47 From Wendy : Thank you, S. 08:39:53 From K to All panelists : engagement, connection 08:40:01 From Tony Back : K, thank you 08:40:14 From NM to All panelists : I am still trying to do that by advocating for my patients in a very strained system. it is exhausting 08:40:28 From Tony Back : N, yes... 08:40:41 From SAL to All panelists : felling compasión in the midst of loneliness 08:40:48 From K to All panelists : love 08:40:48 From Tony Back : S, hola! 08:40:51 From JLC to All panelists : Expansive compassion, heart open 08:40:57 From Tony Back : Where S do you feel this in your body? 08:41:01 From GP to All panelists : I was requested by family to pray at bedside while patient was at the end of life. Some family in the room some were on zoom during my visit. 08:41:03 From Tony Back : J, so nice to see you here! 08:41:09 From SAL to All panelists : hips 08:41:10 From Tony Back : G, beautiful 08:41:23 From Tony Back : S, yes the hips are foundational, yes? 08:41:29 From SAL to All panelists : is a feeling of lack of roots 08:41:45 From Tony Back : J, sending love as i know Texas is intense right now 08:41:48 From K to All panelists : solar plexis 08:41:56 From Tony Back : K, yes 08:42:11 From M to All panelists : i feel it all over my chest and I want to cry 08:42:12 From HP to All panelists : Hola!! 08:42:13 From JLC to All panelists : Thank you, Tony and all 08:42:27 From SAL to All panelists : absolutely. it’s difficult to accept as well 08:42:44 From Tony Back : M, thanks. 08:42:53 From Wendy : G, thank you. Thankful for technology at this time but also a strange time. 08:42:56 From Tony Back : “What did you learn about yourself?” 08:43:37 From ARamey to All panelists : My deep need to be effective in my work 08:43:40 From 5652 to All panelists : “It is in giving that we receive...” 08:43:41 From Tony Back : Yes, i’ll be in the chat! 08:43:45 From AC : I settled into remembering that I need to bring myself skillfully and compassionately. centering other. was a good reminder 08:43:49 From Tony Back : So you can type here too! 08:43:51 From 7918 to All panelists : M,Adono que sense saber donem més del que ens pensem 08:43:56 From AD to All panelists : as Roshi said, the experience I reflected on was and is grounding and energizing 08:43:56 From Tony Back : A, very nice... 08:43:56 From RF to All panelists : I need to lower my demands 08:43:57 From GS to All panelists : Love and happiness in chest 08:44:02 From SS to All panelists : Anderson, InD, USA Chaplain in hospital I want to be supportive of the frontline caregivers. 08:44:03 From Tony Back : A, love that 08:44:03 From Wendy : Beautiful, A. 08:44:06 From TW to All panelists : My capacity for love and compassion is infinite, but can also be exhaustive. 08:44:08 From Tony Back : R, yes! 08:44:18 From MB to All panelists : Conectar con mis emociones me permite estar más presente y saber realmente cómo estoy yo frente a cada situación 08:44:19 From v to All panelists : me he dado cuenta que mis capacidades son ilimitables , han crecido 08:44:27 From BZ to All panelists : I learned that I was able to give the power over to the person ND JUST BE THERE TO LISTEN WITHOUT EXPECTATION OF OUTCOME 08:44:34 From 5652 to All panelists : Joan Roshi, always the consummate teacher 08:44:34 From Tony Back : S, yes! 08:44:38 From 4057 : allowing people to feel what they feel empowered them 08:44:39 From Tony Back : B, beautiful 08:44:45 From T to All panelists : I ept coming back to fear, and that feeling that I need to be "incontrol" 08:44:45 From NCL to All panelists : I learned that I have the capacity to heal with my words. 08:44:48 From Tony Back : Hello K!! 08:44:49 From a to All panelists : humanidad compartida 08:44:53 From pg : I felt the loss of intimate connection with those I *used* to be able to serve with therapeutic music, and the pain/sadness of those who are infirm and dying alone in skilled nursing care. 08:44:55 From Tony Back : NC, wonderful 08:44:56 From CC to All panelists : As a leader I had not given myself the space to vulnerable. And coming alongside and being present is a powerful tool. 08:44:58 From C to All panelists : I learn forget mi afraid 08:45:02 From PS : My empathy for other people’s fatigue - like a bottomless backlog of rest not taken - because I myself feel that fatigue so much! 08:45:08 From Tony Back : P, yes.. the dying alone… 08:45:09 From GK to All panelists : I really value and treasure being a source of grounding, trust, and reassurance. Providing valuable and trustworthy information, even if the information does not offer super concrete next steps. This is more important to me than making a ground breaking clinic diagnosis or decision. 08:45:22 From Tony Back : G, that’s so important... 08:45:24 From ER to All panelists : In the first question I noticed I had a desire to jump up and get away from the question- and with the second question with congruence I noticed a sense of calmness- very subtle but it was there 08:45:26 From Wendy : P, thanks for sharing. 08:45:28 From Tony Back : P, yes... 08:45:41 From ND : I realized I was able to step into suffering and hold the grief of loved ones in all its manifestations through bereavement calls that I made. 08:45:43 From Tony Back : E, that subtlety is precious 08:45:43 From JR to All panelists : I learned that I am at present I am feeling morally obligated to enforce compliance as it relates to compliance to pandemic measures at perhaps the cost of loosing human connectivity. 08:45:45 From EL : I have more connection/compassion with my patients when I allow time and space to be held by myself. It makes my limitations/helplessness feel less daunting and perhaps normal as there are always limitations to what I can do. 08:45:50 From Wendy : Mmm, so good to notice that, E 08:45:50 From Tony Back : N, yes 08:45:56 From AC : P I totally agree! 08:45:57 From Tony Back : E, ah! 08:46:07 From SS to All panelists : I feel fulfilled when I am able to offer compassionate presence to another in a way that meets the need of the other: comfort, support, companioned. 08:46:20 From mc to All panelists : I was able to be helpful and supportive even in my second language - Spanish, very challenging for me. 08:46:23 From Wendy : Beautiful, S! 08:46:33 From SR to All panelists : I noticed how the constantly changing landscape unsettled me and my colleagues such that we were not grounded ourselves and our team splintered into our own fears and worries 08:46:35 From Tony Back : M, wow 08:46:37 From A to All panelists : As an ‘older more vulnerable” health care clinician I have had to back off from caring for patients and I am dealing with a lot of grief and guilt for not being in the ‘trenches’ 08:47:00 From KK to All panelists : I do not deal directly with COVID patients, however I do work with critically-ill cancer patients. I didn’t realize the impact that emotional surrogacy has had on me. 08:47:01 From Tony Back : A, so good to care for yourself, and your grief… 08:47:09 From RB to All panelists : I have more attention, compassion and ability to be with others, missing connection in person, and realized I have more difficulty connecting with me 08:47:13 From Wendy : I feel you, A. So important to take care of yourself. 08:47:14 From Tony Back : K, yes we’re all hold this.... 08:47:27 From AB to All panelists : Gracias por compartir 08:47:39 From Tony Back : holding this… 08:48:02 From BZ to All panelists : THANKS FOR SHARING XXOO 08:48:02 From AC : P sending you love to sustain your efforts 08:48:02 From VJ to All panelists : My heart hurts with my patients, I felt it in chest as I reflected. we feel we cannot breathe in this uncertainty and yet we must. 08:48:05 From mr : This exercise helped me get in touch with the strength, clarity and deep compassion I experience when I can be truly present with my clients 08:48:18 From TN to All panelists : Anger, frustration & grief for feeling a lack of support at the bedside (ICU RN) and somewhat feeling like we are “disposable workers” The tension is in my chest and throat. However, the second writing eased so much, a few tears, and I know we are all doing the best we can and I/we are important team members. 08:48:21 From PS : Thank you so much A 08:48:28 From Tony Back : V it’s so good to remember 08:48:30 From Wendy : Yes, V. Thank you. 08:48:37 From EO : I have worked with so many COVID patients/families that I worry I have shifted in to being on “auto pilot” to be able to get through the day 08:48:42 From Tony Back : T, yes, breathing into that chest! 08:48:43 From 05SP : K, thank you 08:48:47 From AC: I learned about how connection is important for others, and for me. I am not an affective person, but I am missing very much to be in touch with my friends. And the pandemia reminds me what is essential in my life. 08:49:05 From Tony Back : AC, beautiful! 08:49:15 From jg to All panelists : I have to say, what K says makes me feel the enormity of what myself and colleagues have been holding as we care for women and families having babies in this difficult times 08:49:28 From HP to All panelists : Thanks so much for sharing your experience. I'm so touched, but it's very helpful for Healthcare peope 08:49:44 From Tony Back : jg, echoing that enormity... 08:49:53 From AC : yes Ana 08:49:56 From Tony Back : HP, yes the sharing… 08:49:56 From K to All panelists : I have learned that it is quite painful to see needs in the world and to be prevented from accompanying people. Limitations on extending the holding space to others. There is a wellspring in me that seeks to serve- 08:50:02 From HR : my grief,,welling up in unspent tears for not being able to be with two of my patients before and as they died, due to my being quarantined because of depressed immune system. Acceptin that, I feel now somehow differently inner turning, substantiating my prayers, holding the world in ways I've never before been so aware of being interdependent with all that is transpiring 08:50:14 From Wendy : Yes, what is essential in life, AC! 08:50:22 From Tony Back : H, feeling that inner turning…so interesting... 08:50:48 From HR : thank you tony - that makes me weep to, becaue it is so profound and non separate 08:50:48 From KB to All panelists : When I connect/align, I feel energized and time goes faster. When I feel disconnected with clients I struggle to get through the visit and feel drained in energy. 08:50:52 From Tony Back : We will touch on hope later too, thanks for bringing it up K! 08:51:01 From Tony Back : H :) 08:51:11 From SM to All panelists : so glad to be here from Spain 08:51:21 From Wendy : Glad to have you here too S! 08:51:23 From Tony Back : K, such an important observation about what makes you feel energized 08:51:32 From ME : I learned that the actions that I´m doing with genuin compassion and with the objetive of help the other make me be in connection and presence, and also protect me of be in stress. 08:51:44 From 14O to All panelists : When I think about providing compassionate care, I recall that I can best do so when I leave my own concerns at the door step (as a hospice nurse). When I come in without an agenda, really look and listen in the context of the person's life space, I am able to be present with them. And compared to the helpless grieving I have experienced during the public health emergency, I felt calm and confident, knowing "I can do this well!" 08:51:50 From AC : E honor what you need. remember to find a place and way into your own ritual 08:51:52 From Tony Back : M, that genuineness…is key... 08:51:52 From CBN to All panelists : So important that the chaplain (pastor/priest/) have a chaplain to support us, too 08:52:09 From CC to All panelists : I teach in a school of nursing and we are working the faculty who have gone through so much to be able to keep on teaching. So important to hold space for others and to empty/fill my cup. 08:52:09 From BZ to All panelists : This is my ribe 08:52:09 From HR : doing 'being with' local communitymembers suffering other dying processes...hard to be on the phone or zoom, but learning new skills of being totally present and feeling the exhanges between us 08:52:10 From BMP to All panelists : Este ejercicio sirve para reflexionar acerca de como cuidas de forma compasiva a un paciente. Entender su situación para ayudarle. 08:52:11 From K to All panelists : we do not have to heal the body to be a healing entity 08:52:11 From df to All panelists : Feeling overwhelmed by the constant need to get families to the bedside at the very last minute before death due to visitor restrictions is a constant heartbreak. Being able to recall instances of being fully present for the mother of of a 21 year old overdose pt, and other traumas, I feel able to breathe and remember that I can still support people who are suffering. So many nights are filled with phone calls to families, and meeting families outside the hospital doors telling them they cannot come in. 08:52:13 From BZ to All panelists : tribe 08:52:13 From jD to All panelists : thank you K 08:52:15 From Tony Back : Yes c 08:52:17 From Wendy : 668 of us here who cares now! 08:52:17 From EO : There have also been moments of profound connection made with family members who are unable to be with their loved ones… a shared/collective grief 08:52:27 From Tony Back : D yes the heartbreak... 08:52:38 From jD to All panelists : thank you K for speaking so deeply 08:52:45 From Tony Back : And you’re here now!!! 08:53:03 From k to All panelists : E, that shared grief is one of the most sacred parts of what we do, isn’t it 08:53:05 From s to All panelists : é muito sentir que falamos a mm língua e viver a sensação dper 08:53:13 From Wendy : Yes! Just bringing our presence is so powerful! 08:53:17 From Tony Back : K, yes shared grief *is* sacred... 08:53:22 From df to All panelists : Thank you. 08:53:24 From s to All panelists : ops de pertencimento e acolhimento! 08:53:25 From JH to All panelists : i am with patients for a limited amount of time- really focused o. keeping them stable for transport, oxygenation and being a challenge in this mode of care. I don’t feel like I get a chance to connect- to hold the space like I would like to. 08:53:25 From Tony Back : S, thank you 08:53:36 From KK : Yes, this is incredible. Just being here brings me a great deal of peace and an immense feeling of gratitude. 08:53:39 From lv : Thank you for the reminder of being witness. Because we are really not able to fix things during this time. 08:53:40 From Wendy : Oh, thank you for sharing, D. 08:53:40 From Tony Back : Jeanine, thank you for that we will address 08:53:42 From CP to All panelists : He tenido una gran lección sobre el autocuidado. Mi gran déficit en autocompasión. 08:53:44 From KT : A hard thing has been the subversion of my intention as a healer to being the bringer of harm so frequently. The times when I feel most deeply aligned have been the moments when I’ve been able to recognize and seize opportunities to bring even a small smile. 08:53:46 From EL : Attunement is a lifesaver!!!! To ourselves and the other, thank you so much for teaching GRACE 08:53:47 From Tony Back : K, incredible is right!! 08:53:51 From AF to All panelists : Active listening. Just stay 08:53:53 From Tony Back : C, gracias 08:54:07 From Tony Back : K, so many of us feel that subversion… 08:54:11 From s to All panelists : que alguém também se interessa por nos, nos ouve e se interessa pelo que nos profissionais, sentimos e sofremos! 08:54:27 From HG : bearing witness to hold a container for you all. I am a lay person, hearing you with love and compassion. much gratitude... 08:54:40 From Tony Back : Ah yes S…i wish i spoke spanish, my apologies 08:54:43 From Wendy : Hi K, good to see you here. Thank you for sharing. Even a small smile is so much. 08:54:54 From GAI to All panelists : Greetings from Gandía (Valencia, Spain) on a marvelous Mediterranean beach where I was born. Hola MJo!! 08:54:54 From Tony Back : H, thank you for adding that, we accept with gratitude... 08:55:06 From AC : yes S. I feel that too 08:55:08 From Tony Back : G, feeling my toes in the sand with you! 08:55:08 From s to All panelists : thank you 08:55:10 From AC to All panelists : As a chaplain, I feel privileged to attend to stressed, tired staff as they attend to patients. A real community of love and compassion and dedication. So sweet and so hard! 08:55:13 From L : So much unknowing! We are caregiving without knowing, holding space. It is hard to not be 'expert' in our knowledge. Self-grounding without self-confidence is new as a professional. And limited access to our peers as well - our own support systems are as stressed an unknowing as our clients. 08:55:20 From HG : ����❤ 08:55:22 From LP : In my primary care clinic, I struggle with the fact that my high need patients need more time and attention than our clinic structure (and finances) allow - I'm always behind in clinic, and with charts. I love and am grateful for the opportunity to connect with patients, but it's tinged with resentment at the "system" that doesn't/can't measure or value the most important part of the work that we do. 08:55:26 From tc to All panelists : Yes, It’s true S! Thank you for voicing this. 08:55:27 From Tony Back : L, the unknowing…that is profound 08:55:47 From Fabio Rodrigues (Brazil) to All panelists : Tony, S said in portuguese: "that someone is also interested in us, listens to us and is interested in what we professionals feel and suffer." 08:55:47 From RF to All panelists : S, thank you what a great gift your words 08:55:52 From B to All panelists : I reflect on one of Frank's principles: Find the peace within the midst of chaos. And another physician's advice on grounding: always feel each step you take from one bedside to another. 08:55:53 From Tony Back : L, yes the system doesn’t see what’s most important…tragically... 08:56:01 From BZ to All panelists : Thanks for your words S 08:56:02 From Tony Back : Fabio, thank you!! 08:56:25 From Tony Back : B, yes, finding that place of rest in the middle of things…love Frank... 08:56:26 From WS to All panelists : One of my deepest connections with my patients was my most recent, she passed away in May from terminal illness. Before she passed, we completed our end- of-life preparation sessions over the phone due to Covid. I realized how my support for her was overflowing, because I was also nourishing myself during our phone sessions - being in the comfort of my own home, sipping my tea with a candle, while going through all the relational spiritual physical and practical loose ends. So I’m coming to see that for me, remote work with patients can certainly nourish me to be able to fully give and support my patients. Blessed to be here today. 08:56:29 From 14O to All panelists : the systemic failures are perhaps the most painful for me. 08:56:33 From LP : I struggle with connecting to the joy and meaning and letting go of the resentment I have towards leadership that asks us to re-use N95s "until soiled", etc. 08:56:41 From Wendy : Yes L, so many pulls for our attention. Thank you for your presence. 08:56:44 From Tony Back : Wendy, so nice to notice that nourishing... 08:56:51 From CC to All panelists : Been working through vertigo physically but I think it has a spiritual dimension. Grief, loss, worry 08:56:55 From KP : Aware of friends and family with life-limiting conditions, though not immediately near end of life, who had experienced the comfort of so many being able to hold them in heart and mind, but with so much of that extended support now focussed elsewhere - with friends and family having more individual concerns. There seems a sense now of so many people feeling isolated and alone now when they would otherwise have experienced really broad - almost societal - compassion and comfort. 08:57:03 From Tony Back : C, yes spiritual vertigo! 08:57:27 From k to All panelists : L, I share that challenge- for me, the most challenging part of work has been the struggle with the “system" 08:57:36 From Tony Back : K, yes that isolation—the messages as Cynda points out our about what we are ‘supposed’ to ‘produce’ 08:57:44 From Tony Back : “are about..." 08:58:10 From Tony Back : So good to see your face S!! 08:58:45 From AD to All panelists : I am reminding myself and my interdisciplinary team that actually, we are the system. yesterday a hospice Rn case manager called me distressed about the system pushing her to do something not aligned with her care model. I encouraged her to let her care drive the system not the other way around. 08:58:46 From Wendy : Thank you so much, S! 08:58:50 From TH to All panelists : we haven't had the opportunities to grieve as individuals or comunities 08:59:15 From BMP : Thank you, S. 08:59:18 From tc to All panelists : “Presence in the midst of this” 08:59:32 From LP : Yes! What is measured doesn't always count, and what counts can't always be measured . 08:59:33 From Wendy : Yes, so important to take time to grieve together, TH. 08:59:34 From AC : that is an accurate description. industrialized 08:59:38 From NP to All panelists : I have thought many times about Roshi 08:59:39 From kDH to All panelists : Reflecting on the polarities of disconnection physically, yet more connected than ever in a deep way energetically & spiritually…… 08:59:47 From MM : Resonate deeply with what Tony is saying right now 08:59:48 From TN to All panelists : ABSOLUTELY! Agree totally. 08:59:53 From NP to All panelists : ’s words- soft front, strong back 09:00:03 From BVE to All panelists : I agree with Tony, thank you 09:00:07 From TN to All panelists : Wow. Excellent point, resonates. 09:00:16 From M to All panelists : Muy cierto S todo lo que mencionaste!! 09:00:21 From K to All panelists : yes. agree with Tony. 09:00:23 From DL : THANK you addressing this topic Tony!! 09:00:29 From tc to All panelists : Such a frightening reality! 09:00:30 From Wendy : Yes, hearing this so much from all my emergency medicine friends and many are struggling when the surge happens after having furloughed so many 09:00:33 From NM to All panelists : this pandemic also showed how unprepared we are to face death as healthcare providers and as a society 09:00:38 From BZ to All panelists : The medical service model can be dehumanizing. We are the humans that must provide that empathy that the system doesn’t , and that causes the moral exhaustion 09:00:40 From ARamey : Yes, this is true even in research -perhaps especially there. 09:00:40 From JKJ to All panelists : And it’s not just the job, it 09:00:44 From LP : This, thank you, Tony. 09:00:45 From JKJ to All panelists : s a calling 09:00:45 From SG : Thank you Tony 09:00:45 From Fabio Rodrigues (Brazil) to All panelists : “In my work serving as a nurse, compassion leads me to be together, and at the same time fear leads me to walk away... I feel divided, looking for following the heart, but fear is there. How to overcome it? Thank you very much, I'm very moved being together with you.” 09:00:52 From dc to All panelists : Thank you so much for addressing this vital issue. 09:00:52 From Tony Back : You are welcome! 09:00:53 From RL to All panelists : Thanks Tony .... addressing this brutality 09:00:58 From Fabio Rodrigues (Brazil) to All panelists : Questions from AM from Brazil:

“In my work serving as a nurse, compassion leads me to be together, and at the same time fear leads me to walk away... I feel divided, looking for following the heart, but fear is there. How to overcome it? Thank you very much, I'm very moved being together with you.” 09:01:07 From AB to All panelists : Gracias Tony 09:01:21 From MM : Also want to say that the financial issue has also to do with larger ways medicine is financed, how is medicine paid for, who gets access, health/healing for profit 09:01:38 From 14O to All panelists : Yes--we can't really address the problems of the pandemic without addressing the profit-driven motive of our healthcare system. 09:01:38 From Tony Back : A, we see that important question and will get to it 09:01:49 From Tony Back : M, yes... 09:02:01 From Tony Back : 14 O, yes… 09:02:16 From Wendy : Yes, O. It’s all tied together unfortunately 09:02:23 From HR : structural violence permeates all aspects of society, of institutions...so amazing to ee it so rutally, asyousay toni, at this time 09:02:40 From s to All panelists : impotencia 09:02:43 From SG : Thanks for calling it what it is 09:02:47 From Tony Back : S, yes 09:02:51 From AD to All panelists : we can shift the system with our presence and care 09:02:57 From CBN to All panelists : This and the article by the ED nurses reminded me of Galtung, too. Structural and Cultural Violence is real, and staying resilient in the face of that overwhelming violence is such a challenge. 09:02:57 From B to All panelists : profit/productivity such an important topic 09:02:59 From Tony Back : A, yes! 09:03:18 From Wendy : Yes, for-profit medicine is part of structural violence in medicine 09:03:43 From Tony Back : Yes—and my health system is a ‘nonprofit’—it’s everywhere 09:03:54 From DCVG to All panelists : Could you please repeat o tape the 3 "D"? 09:04:13 From GFdS to All panelists : divided, distracted, and... 09:04:16 From Cynda Rushton to All panelists : distracted, dispersed, divided 09:04:19 From 14O to All panelists : I believe that we can support one another as we work to change these problems. 09:04:21 From Tony Back : 3 Ds: divided, distracted,dispersed 09:04:31 From Tony Back : 14 O, that is why we are here!! 09:04:35 From GFdS to All panelists : tks 09:04:36 From B to All panelists : Pandemic has certainly exposed racism in the HC system and to the lie that the US has the "best" (and most expensive) HC system in the world. Demoralizing :( 09:04:45 From s to All panelists : Sorry, I find the chat very distracting when I am to be listening - is it possible for me to turn it off during the listening part? 09:04:48 From FB to All panelists : I´d like ask, maybe hear from you, on the fear that comes from getting so close to some of those people we are providing care. Allowing myself to be so close makes me suffer, and it is an automatic response for me to turn away from it. I know this is a crutial part of compassion, but, how to train on it, on dealing thith the pain, dealing with our own reactions and not turning away from it... 09:04:49 From 14O to All panelists : <3 09:04:52 From Tony Back : B, yes. 09:05:02 From Tony Back : S, click on the chat button at the bottom of your screenb 09:05:23 From Tony Back : F, yes that closeness…we will get back to it today…stay tuned 09:05:37 From DL : Wendy - Agreed. So grateful to be here with like minded people 09:05:45 From JLC to All panelists : This pandemic is emotional whiplash 09:05:52 From am to All panelists : muito obrigada! 09:05:52 From FB to All panelists : thank you Tony 09:05:55 From Tony Back : Whiplash yes 09:06:02 From Tony Back : I will stay off chat during this practice. 09:06:05 From Wendy : Totally, J. Good to see you here. 09:06:07 From Tony Back : You may face sideways if you like 09:14:38 From Wendy : Strong back - equanimity Soft front - compassion �� 09:14:39 From RF to All panelists : Thanks!!!! 09:15:04 From AC : love this image 09:15:14 From Tony Back : How do we ground ourselves in the midst of the chaos? 09:15:42 From MM : found it interesting and helpful to toggle back and forth between strong back/soft front and soft back/hard front. Feeling the differences 09:15:48 From MM : in my body 09:15:51 From SA : moment to moment experience of my body--brining myself back again and again 09:15:53 From AC : daily meditation with local center 09:15:56 From Tony Back : M yes… 09:15:59 From IP to All panelists : respiración, busco ese lugar de calma en mi 09:16:01 From bm to All panelists : By creating portal, such as stopping and taking abreast before entering a room, even in my own house. 09:16:03 From Wendy : Mmmm yes, M! 09:16:20 From M to All panelists : MIS SINCERAS FELICITACIONES A LA TRADUCTORA DE CASNO…..SUPER-EXCELENTE!! 09:16:29 From s to All panelists : renascer das cinzas! viver momento a momento com abertura aceitação e com curiosidade 09:16:36 From Wendy : A moment of pause is so important, thank you, S! 09:16:36 From SG : 15 minute yoga practice anywhere anytime 09:16:37 From SAL to All panelists : GRACE 09:16:38 From ND : In the moment: Grounding my feet, dropping into breath to down-regulate emotions and often a mini-tonglen for situation/staff/patient 09:16:39 From CS to All panelists : I meditate and make some corporal exercises from Alexander Lowen 09:16:43 From BZ to All panelists : I generally float in a sea of ungroundedness lolol 09:16:48 From KD : Gel in -- Gather my attention. Step across the threshold -- Recall my intention. Then Attune to self and other and follow the GRACE model to be grounded as I serve. An essential part of my "ending" is the chart the sacred encounter. 09:16:52 From PJ to All panelists : Abrazando el silencio 09:16:53 From BZ to All panelists : That’s why Im here 09:16:54 From M to All panelists : Muy interesante lo de la espalda y el frente, no siempre funciono así, a veces tengo la necesidad de tener las dos partes fuertes, pero la compasión desaparece, no está. 09:17:01 From AF to All panelists : I breath 09:17:02 From K to All panelists : "where are me feet?" in times of stres 09:17:05 From GM to All panelists : daily meditation 09:17:06 From NDERE : my garden is my co regulator. 09:17:09 From PP : Feeling the soles of my feet 09:17:10 From KB to All panelists : moment by moment 09:17:10 From a to All panelists : tratandonos amabilidad 09:17:10 From X to All panelists : con la CONTEMPALCION 09:17:11 From BMP : Mindfulness 09:17:15 From BC to All panelists : Meditation vipassana practice with our community. 09:17:16 From NCL : Daily awareness of breath, loving kindness practice 09:17:17 From A to All panelists : Frank O says ‘find a place of rest in the middle of things”. I find washing my hands is a great time for this, 09:17:18 From CBN to All panelists : Putting my hand on my heart to "anchor the heart" helps give me stability and only takes a moment 09:17:21 From ID to All panelists : Taking deep breaths during sessions; dropping into breath 09:17:24 From DA to All panelists : Taking time to name and breath 09:17:25 From CJ to All panelists : Remind myself, all patients have been my mother. 09:17:26 From BOM to All panelists : Silence 09:17:27 From K to All panelists : Using the “gel in/gel out” moment to take deep breaths before entering/exiting a patient room. 09:17:31 From Wendy : K, yes, charting is definitely part of ending! 09:17:35 From JMR to All panelists : Meditacion zen, alimentandome sano, mantener la comunicacion con la familia y amigos 09:17:35 From SD to All panelists : Taichi 09:17:35 From 05SP : Often just a small stretch or yawn 09:17:36 From kDH to All panelists : Playing my harp! 09:17:36 From MM : I practice Internal Family Systems. Before going into evaluate a patient, trying to find Self. Trying to acknowledge and honor parts within me that are present too 09:17:39 From AF to All panelists : Breath and stay with my family 09:17:41 From V to All panelists : abrazandome y diciendo que todo va a estar bien 09:17:43 From TH to All panelists : I see myself walking in the forest 09:17:43 From BOM : Silence 09:17:44 From KK : I have a bracelet that I wear at all times with a phrase that centers me. Its a frequent reminder to check-in with myself 09:17:45 From DS to All panelists : I pause...the space ofsbetween the breath 09:17:46 From AH to All panelists : gratitude and in play 09:17:47 From NP to All panelists : I go outside every day- feel my feet i the earth. my breath, and my feet are vital tools. 09:17:48 From RB to All panelists : hand on heart; breathe in for me; breath out for another; when really difficult, breathe in for me and another breath in for me, and sometimes breath out for my parts having difficult emotions;; hand on heart reminds me that I am here 09:17:48 From B to All panelists : meditation can be brief and doesn't need a cushion. 09:17:49 From N to All panelists : i ground by touching the earth, if I cant I do it with the breast 09:17:49 From NCL : Taking mindful breaths as patient is taking breaths during lung exam 09:17:50 From KB to All panelists : feeling my breath 09:17:50 From LP : Sometimes as I examine a patient I think "feet on the floor, baby" and notice my feet. And almost every time I listen to a patient's lungs, I take in a first deep breath eith them. 09:17:51 From PS : Butterfly hugs - and feeling my body spontaneously come back into balance with gravity when I do it 09:17:53 From Tony Back : T, that visualization, nice! 09:17:54 From A to All panelists : Being still, listening to the voice of my heart and letting that guide me 09:17:55 From VJ to All panelists : I have my dogs sleeping on the sofa beside me while I see patients over telemedicine. I made a huge canvas of my office balcony view of the Pacific Ocean at sunset, to gaze at while I’m at home on teletherapy. and I breathe with a Mala I made, praying as I listen. 09:17:55 From KL to All panelists : I use the GRACE method - and try to take a minute before I meet each of my clients to gather my attention through breath and ground myself through my feet. 09:17:57 From Wendy : M, yes, love IFS work! 09:17:57 From mh to All panelists : recordar volver con mi atención a mi postura en cuerpo, base, y respiro…me abro a recibir con gentileza 09:17:58 From MM to All panelists : mindfulness y contacto con la naturaleza 09:18:00 From IO to All panelists : breath and noticie muy heart it was use fue for me 09:18:00 From Tony Back : P, butterfly hugs :) 09:18:02 From BOJ to All panelists : sensaciones de respiración en el pecho y parar 09:18:03 From JO to All panelists : watching Mother Nature here in upstate NY 09:18:05 From MYW to All panelists : Breath and Gratitude 09:18:06 From SAL to All panelists : Tonglen “spirit”, when facing someone sharing his/her suffering 09:18:08 From KB to All panelists : pause and observe 09:18:09 From SC : Each day I spend time in my garden. Recently we had severe storms and many of my plants were broken, apple trees toppled, trellses holding the vines collapsed upon them. I grounded in this dance of putting things together, and having them change…planting and hoping for the future, while recognizing that I am not in control. 09:18:12 From Tony Back : N, yes touching the earth 09:18:12 From jD to All panelists : yes to finding my feet what ever speed I’m required to move in 09:18:12 From AC: I pray to reconnect with myself. Sometimes, a quick pray with some words asking for protection and inspiration, before, attending a patient 09:18:12 From BZ to All panelists : Yes thank you /Cynda 09:18:13 From NB to All panelists : sometimes i imagine all the elders and wise ones who have walked this earth before me, all around me guiding me to be of wise council to me and my clients. 09:18:13 From DCVG to All panelists : Connecting with senses, with the breath 09:18:14 From LP : Trying to physically anchor in things I need to do in the day anyway — for me, the new rituals I have around decontamination (hand sanitizer, shower at the end off the work day), or in nursing or pumping for my 6 month old 09:18:15 From NP to All panelists : I weep most every day- the release of the grief- the acknowledgement of the loss all around 09:18:18 From A to All panelists : Doing the GRACE practice allows be to ground in moment with the breath as the lead 09:18:19 From Tony Back : S, the garden… 09:18:26 From C to All panelists : Sensory exploration- a focus on touch, on smell, on taste, on hearing. 09:18:33 From C to All panelists : Hago estiramientos y yoga cuando me levanto, ahora no hay tráfico para ir a trabajar y el tiempo que estaba en la carretera lo empleo en conectar con mi cuerpo y observar como se flexibiliza dia a dia 09:18:34 From MTGP to All panelists : The Meditation is a big resource, with the breath... 09:18:35 From CP to All panelists : Parar, no hacer, estar en los sentidos. 09:18:38 From Wendy : Ah, dog and balcony, grateful for telemedicine right now. 09:18:39 From mr : Tuning into and regulating my breath as an anchor for myself and the person I am with 09:18:40 From K to All panelists : And find times to be in nature, hug my kids, 09:18:41 From LM to All panelists : The washing of the hands as an act of self care 09:18:44 From LB : Practicing chikung and thinking about my grandchildren. 09:18:44 From AC : nice NC 09:18:45 From DR to All panelists : honoring and providing space for vulnerability 09:18:51 From MM to All panelists : do an an specifics prayer to begin the day in a positive mind set, regardless of what is going on out side 09:18:52 From s to All panelists : kindfull and loving 09:18:54 From JR to All panelists : I have a bunch of wild sage in my office that I will smell to ground myself before the next task. 09:19:01 From SR : tocando mi bombo, percusión (tambor) 09:19:02 From ES : i’ve been feeling my attention SO distracted for months. This is so so helpful. Feeling less alone in this distractedness with people with such deep and dedicated practice. 09:19:04 From TF to All panelists : I ask my ancestors to be with me and help me through the day 09:19:04 From K to All panelists : Practicing my somatic awareness. When I sense my body is tense I just stop moving for a moment and focus on my feet and ground down. 09:19:05 From KT : Sometimes I don’t notice I need to until I feel like I literally might fall over. Then I reach out and grab something - bedrail, desk, wall, coworker, and shift my attention there. Noticing that feeling of support. 09:19:11 From KB to All panelists : connecting with my emotions and feelings, receiving them with kindness 09:19:12 From Wendy : Yes, prayer, M! 09:19:14 From T to All panelists : just taking a moment to pause.... 09:19:16 From JS : 4 elements quick 09:19:18 From BMP : Write the feeling is very beautiful 09:19:22 From SG to All panelists : important to teach an alternative to the breath when breathing is difficult and anxiety provoking. grounding in other body sensations. even in my guided meditations I offer an alternative to breath. 09:19:23 From CBN to All panelists : At work, handwashing mindful meditation is helpful 09:19:26 From CC to All panelists : We are awarded for plowing through. So much power in the pausing. even between zoom meetings. 09:19:27 From jg to All panelists : the garden, cats, birds, the sky and sea coming and going from work. 09:19:30 From bm to All panelists : i kiss the tree in front of our house before coming in, releasing the tension 09:19:40 From AC to All panelists : practicing S 09:19:51 From MB to All panelists : A traves respiracion y cki kung. Tambien me ha ayudado reflexionar sobre el cambio y la muerte. Perder miedo al cambio 09:19:52 From s to All panelists : Mindful self compassion 09:19:52 From Wendy : So beautiful for see so many different ways of expressing and tapping into our presence. 09:19:53 From mar to All panelists : Un abrazo para ti, dos para mí 09:19:54 From MMM to All panelists : drawing/painting the feelings at the end of the day. even if it's w/ a single crayola & scratch paper 09:19:59 From NCL : Mindful hand washing with alcohol gel/soap water; Mindful donning and doffing of PPE as simple as mindful masking 09:20:01 From MM : thank you panelists for receiving our words. Speaking of attention, I know it is hard to hold virtual space, reading all the words coming in. You are doing a beautiful job 09:20:01 From B to All panelists : when washing or geling my hands before going in a patient's room, I focus on my hands and take some deep breaths set my intentions to be able to listen with clear open heart. 09:20:04 From KK : I often tell myself and my staff that it’s okay to have “human moments” 09:20:05 From kD : Gardening, pausing, breath, feeling my feet and silence for 20 minutes at lunch time, grounding during the shower at the end of the day, 5 minutes of qigong in the morning before going to the unit. I need multiple ways ... 09:20:06 From KM to All panelists : Thank you, Cynda. Tears have been a recognition of my inner landscape and a soothing release and 'rinse' of feelings of grief and loss - my own and shared with my clients. 09:20:10 From KB to All panelists : what you practice it grows 09:20:16 From NM to All panelists : sensing the distress in my colleagues tones is a reminder to ground myself and it happens so often 09:20:18 From jD to All panelists : because my work involves playing harp. I sit and wait for the first note to speak into the room w patients. I am lucky to have a built in quality of ,y work that evokes then immeasurable 09:20:23 From fm : mindful walk by the beach 09:20:26 From SA : Thank you for your vulnerability and transparency, Tony! 09:20:34 From KB to All panelists : stop your inner battles 09:20:38 From HR : a new experience fo rme..not so focused on breath,,though awareenss of breathing and suddenly find myself in th emost vulnerable being ness in a moment that I remember - here is a weeping of a lifetime, but me too, ground in the weeping and experiencing a substantiated faith - how to say it - nothing solid,no solidity - the being permeated by simply life without grasping and so being made whole by this vulnerability and weepin--no weaknes in the back, in themost symbolic way, through the presence in the heart...something like that 09:20:46 From Wendy : I love the grounding while gelling or washing our hands practice. We do it so many times a day! 09:20:46 From DA to All panelists : Hand on heart 09:20:47 From TM to All panelists : I walk in my neighborhood early. I visit a Redwood tree 2 blocks from here most days. I notice the birds and squirrels and cats and possums. I feed stray cats. I feed birds including crows! Yesterday morning I stopped and picked up a cat (killed by a car) and placed it on the grass median. Suffering and life continue. 09:20:48 From EC to All panelists : My name is BC from Rhode Island USA I am a Social Worker in a Nursing Home. I came today to gain some slikks in the work I do, 09:20:49 From AC: And, sometimes, I ground when taking care and connecting with my dogs, because we really love each other 09:20:50 From JC to All panelists : Finding silence, even for a moment 09:20:50 From EH : sink into my feet, feel my breath in the stomach and then putting pen to paper, drawing or writing to empty my mind from whatever is in there 09:20:52 From TH to All panelists : nurturing my vegetable garden 09:20:53 From CB to All panelists : ,washing hands 09:20:55 From CS to All panelists : So true Tony. The untruths we tell ourselves to believe we can face the tasks at hand. 09:20:59 From MYW to All panelists : Painting - Intentional Creativity 09:21:00 From KB to All panelists : being aware of our own resistance 09:21:01 From AA to All panelists : bringing to mind the five reminders and accepting that whatever is happening is part of life…normal. 09:21:09 From AC to All panelists : Anclándome en el ritmo de la respiración, el latido de mi corazón y dejando que el silencio me invada. 09:21:10 From ST to All panelists : singing practice, singing a few lines in my brain silently, playing music either in reality or in my imagination 09:21:15 From ARamey : short walk, including climbing some stairs - takes centering and balance 09:21:17 From MM : the pause feels critical. everything in our world seems to conspire into faster and faster forward motions, which takes on a life of its own. The pause/breath breaks it 09:21:23 From BB to All panelists : If i think it’s all on me or up to me, i set myself up for failure and burnout. I remember to ask God, the Holy, the Big Wow, whatever name I use at the time to help, to work through me, that I may get out of the way and let something bigger do the heavy lifting 09:21:26 From fm : awareness of feet on the floor during a palliative care conference or the tree outside the window 09:21:29 From Wendy : Gardening and nature, yes! Thank you. 09:21:31 From SG : tree hugging 09:21:36 From M to All panelists : Con mis compañeras no nos mostrabamos, dando una apariencia de normalidad, como si nada pasaba. 09:21:38 From RS : Embrace and acknowledge. Deep bows to all 09:21:40 From AA to All panelists : kung fu 09:21:42 From BB : Daily contemplative time plus joy medicine thru windsurfing and sound/vibrational medicine thru guitar 09:21:44 From KB to All panelists : take care of your plants 09:21:46 From B to All panelists : I sobbed in my office last week for just a few min such a relief 09:21:48 From TH to All panelists : pictures of my grandchildren 09:22:03 From EC to All panelists : I eat my lunch in my car every day and call it my monastery to collect my self again, before I go back into the work place 09:22:04 From Wendy : Yes, BB, the Big Wow! 09:22:07 From nr to All panelists : Brathe, feet, breathe, feet, breathe, feet...... 09:22:08 From J to All panelists : Thank you for the imagery of fear-based soft back- strong front in opposition to strong back-soft front. I can feel the difference and will check in with my body every time I look at my phone (which I do a lot! ;) 09:22:12 From MD to All panelists : Tony, I can relate haha 09:22:13 From SL : Spending time with pets feels very grounding. It’s unconditional love. 09:22:15 From Kigaku to All panelists : LL is actually on, btw 09:22:24 From PM : Gardening, silence 09:22:25 From Wendy : E, car as monastery, so great! 09:22:28 From Tony Back : Hello L, sending love!!! 09:22:32 From NM to All panelists : I love tree hugging . I will try that. been called” hey tree hugger” in the past:) 09:22:33 From GSG to All panelists : before each client , I trace an imaginary line from my pubic bone up to my lower lip to keep my personal self and issues in me, rather than in my interactions with my clients - not in a way of disconnection, just separating my "stuff" from theirs - so that I can be fully present 09:22:38 From ea to All panelists : daily walks with friend whose retired physician husband with 3 months of acute medical issues, their fear of Covid…noticing how I try to “fix” as a physician, to instead hold the space, ground myself and be with the vulnerability…remembering to breathe not speak! 09:22:45 From K to All panelists : make art 09:22:46 From Tony Back : G, wow love that somatic 09:22:48 From IP to All panelists : para mi el reto la mayor parte de las veces es darme cuenta que estoy entrando en ese caos, si me doy cuenta puedo sostener... busco donde reflejarme y me sonrio mientras me abrazo el pecho 09:22:49 From JW : for me, I not only notice my breath...I also notice where n my body my breath may get stuck. then bringing attention there and breathing on softness, space 09:22:50 From KB to All panelists : be aware of not distraction through those activities 09:22:52 From BOJ to All panelists : mi abuela fuerte y compasiva 09:23:02 From LP : So important to be able to quickly access that grounding - I find I need to do it many many times for just a few seconds. 09:23:06 From RH to All panelists : connect to an ally or guide in the moment 09:23:17 From BMP : Draw the feeling, and find the calm what need 09:23:23 From CC to All panelists : holding a real book and flipping the pages is so sweet to me. 09:23:25 From GSG to All panelists : learned it from my somatic mentor, actually do it 3x, saying "I am G and I am part of the healing community" 09:23:26 From mc to All panelists : being in nature, walking through the park, along Lake Michigan, watching wind surfers, sailboats, etc. 09:23:28 From AS to All panelists : in these las t months, have started to find a place alone and hear my own voice, out lout remind me. stop, breathe, you can shift here. touching forehead chest, deaths, feel feet, and return to environment. but this unusual need of the aural sense to cut through so much noise as a reminder 09:23:34 From Wendy : Thank you for reminding us, Roshi. Just one inhale can bring you home. 09:23:42 From fm : I said beach because we live in Hawaii and can see ocean from 09:23:44 From 05SP : sometimes it's as simple as feeling my clothes against my body or one hand touching the other 09:23:52 From fm : our patients room :) 09:24:15 From MSM to All panelists : thank you so much to bring into concious and make me feel a strong back and a soft front. I think it is true that we go the other way round most of the times. 09:24:18 From MM : a piece of music, dancing 09:24:19 From KB to All panelists : our body is our temple 09:24:28 From BMP : Práctica, constancia y disciplina para entrenar la mente. 09:24:31 From S to All panelists : a small touchstone in my pocket 09:24:33 From v to All panelists : mil latidos del 09:24:35 From AF to All panelists : hugging my kids. Note them, smelling them 09:24:36 From X to All panelists : https://web.whatsapp.com/pp?t=l&u=34696003476%40c.us&i=1594916838&n=B%2FGIsjvmvTv20yDtc DRNH9ow0drpbf1s2Z2t4yO7Ts4%3D 09:24:36 From SG : humming 09:24:36 From m to All panelists : “one inhale can bring you home” i loved this 09:24:37 From v to All panelists : corazon 09:24:37 From MD to All panelists : I like to listen to music to ground myself, I feel like some songs can express the messy thoughts inside my mind 09:24:41 From pmd : hearing my breath behind my helmet 09:24:41 From AS to All panelists : Llevar ambas manos al pecho 09:24:43 From RH to All panelists : hearing and feeling the silence 09:24:43 From v to All panelists : mis latidos 09:24:44 From DZ to All panelists : lift my heart 09:24:54 From TM to All panelists : Being available to my neighbors — to listen, to smile 09:24:57 From JMR to All panelists : Escuchar mi cuerpo, hablar con mis plantas y saber que no estamos solo en este universo. 09:24:57 From KP to All panelists : this is why chocolate worked for harry potter 09:24:58 From X to All panelists : LA MIRADA COMTEMPLATIVA Y COMPASIVA DE MI PERRO 09:24:59 From BZ to All panelists : Tony when you had us light a candle. It felt a bit hokey but now I get it 09:25:14 From TH to All panelists : "small talk" connecting with my residents 09:25:17 From Wendy : Yes, B!! 09:25:33 From tc to All panelists : Mind, body, spirit ~ A necessity 09:25:36 From KP : My great is a treasured source of grounding for me. I speak to some for who the sensation of breath is a source of uncertainty or worry though - breathing difficulties or coughs etc. 09:25:37 From kD : A drop of lavender on the inside of my mask 09:25:43 From nb : hearing breath through stethoscope. mutes a bit the external noise a feels like ujjayi breath 09:25:48 From Tony Back : B, ha! :) 09:25:50 From JLC to All panelists : The brief moment when my hands meet for a bow 09:25:51 From KP : Great = breath (autocorrected) 09:25:51 From pg : breathing and listening 09:25:58 From JC to All panelists : Sitting on the floor on my zafu. 09:26:01 From BZ to All panelists : Holding my Petoskey stone 09:26:02 From ECB to All panelists : estoy descalza con los pies en el suelo 09:26:03 From S to All panelists : writing notes of this talk - I am kinesthetic 09:26:05 From CPES to All panelists : Es importante mantener consciencia cósmica y la conexión con nuestra Madre Tierra. 09:26:06 From CJ to All panelists : as I put alcohol on my hands, “may I be of benefit” 09:26:07 From KK to All panelists : When I feel my mind wander I look at the candle next to me 09:26:07 From Wendy : Ooo yes, ujjayi breath in the stethoscope! 09:26:08 From m to All panelists : I come back to the “I am” 09:26:09 From fm : looking at the ocean from my kitchen table 09:26:10 From FB to All panelists : feeling my own heartbeat 09:26:11 From JKJ to All panelists : awareness of seat and feet 09:26:11 From TW to All panelists : Gardening/cooking 09:26:12 From JH to All panelists : feeling my heart 09:26:12 From MM : taking in your faces 09:26:13 From ECB to All panelists : tocando a mi gato 09:26:14 From pg : listening deeply can be very grounding 09:26:14 From SG : making food 09:26:15 From RB to All panelists : hand on heart, breath in for me 09:26:15 From EC to All panelists : LISTENING TO THE BIRDS 09:26:15 From v to All panelists : calmando mente respiracion 09:26:15 From 5652 to All panelists : Listening intently as if the words are rain 09:26:16 From AF to All panelists : smelling my kids 09:26:17 From TF to All panelists : toning, looking at the candle 09:26:17 From AD to All panelists : hand on cup of tea 09:26:19 From CP to All panelists : con los pies descalzos 09:26:21 From tc to All panelists : Breath and mantra! 09:26:22 From TH to All panelists : enjoying the wisdom of your smiling faces 09:26:22 From JBL to All panelists : sense of purpose 09:26:22 From AW to All panelists : II am painting watercolor 09:26:22 From mr : Sipping tea 09:26:23 From D to All panelists : Humming... 09:26:23 From SK to All panelists : Smiling, looking @ your faces 09:26:25 From Y to All panelists : Stood up 09:26:25 From AA to All panelists : Deep breaths and long exhale 09:26:25 From CS to All panelists : Smells ground me 09:26:26 From s to All panelists : writing 09:26:27 From DS to All panelists : Feeling the breeze brush me 09:26:27 From jD to All panelists : breathing for solidarity w myself 09:26:27 From D to All panelists : listening 09:26:27 From SR to All panelists : Sip of water 09:26:27 From V to All panelists : me siento muy feliz, me siento en armonía 09:26:28 From NM to All panelists : the hot tea 09:26:28 From kDH to All panelists : breathing, listening, rain background, breeze, feet on floor 09:26:28 From df to All panelists : Looking at my candle, remember intentions. 09:26:28 From ES : feeling my body— my warm teacup in my hand, tea in my mouth 09:26:28 From MM : sleeping dog left to me 09:26:29 From SS : feeling my body 09:26:29 From AF to All panelists : sintiendo mis pies en el piso 09:26:29 From jc to All panelists : im writing letters every week to my friends and family in Canada, that helps me a lot 09:26:30 From CW to All panelists : feeling in and out breath, feeling feet on the ground, smell in my room incense 09:26:30 From ARamey : feeling my weight on my sofa 09:26:30 From AC: Breathing, Praying 09:26:30 From KM to All panelists : My window is open and I am drawing on the smell of the flowers in the garden. 09:26:31 From Ana to All panelists : respiração ... sensação do corpo ... 09:26:31 From RS : Continue to return to the present. 09:26:31 From SR to All panelists : Sensing breeze incoming thru window….hearing rain. 09:26:31 From L : Holding a stone in my hand or having a stone in my pocket. 09:26:31 From RA to All panelists : does kissing my chihuahua count? 09:26:31 From GSG to All panelists : I am allowing the grief to rise up and keeping myself with me, now 09:26:32 From TF to All panelists : petting my dog 09:26:32 From ECB to All panelists : escribo 09:26:33 From tc to All panelists : Petting the cat 09:26:33 From SN to All panelists : breathing and the scent of my candle 09:26:33 From MB to All panelists : Recordando a mis seres queridos 09:26:34 From PB : Breathing consciously, knitting 09:26:35 From ea to All panelists : My dog in my lap 09:26:35 From DCVG to All panelists : I look at my candle, y connect with my body sensations 09:26:37 From IP to All panelists : sonreir 09:26:37 From AR to All panelists : grounding right now is holding the cup 09:26:37 From VJ to All panelists : smiling on exhalation 09:26:39 From C to All panelists : I'm crocheting. it's a repetive motion, and the yarn in very soft 09:26:39 From jg to All panelists : palms on cool surface 09:26:39 From V to All panelists : savouring my tea 09:26:39 From DP : feeling my feet on the ground 09:26:40 From KB to All panelists : Window is open I can hear the birds 09:26:40 From v to All panelists : sonido del agua 09:26:41 From IK to All panelists : tocarme 09:26:41 From JR to All panelists : I have my favorite drink (matcha, honey, lavender, mint, camomile, cashew milk) 09:26:41 From X to All panelists : ESTAR PRESENTE .. 09:26:42 From ND : Really looking at each speaker and staying in relationship with them. - experiencing 09:26:42 From K to All panelists : lowering my shoulders 09:26:43 From ID to All panelists : Sipping coffee, deep breathing, taking in aroma of candle 09:26:43 From GM to All panelists : making tea 09:26:43 From HR : feeling grounded..noting the grief pressure inmy chest, the relief of hearing, and thinking of our bunnies, and chipmunks and birds feeding their young on our lawn 09:26:45 From a to All panelists : agradecido de poder participar 09:26:45 From MB to All panelists : Sonriendo 09:26:46 From RF to All panelists : bacj to my hamstrings 09:26:46 From SA : Cat in lap 09:26:47 From B to All panelists : hand on heart love that 09:26:47 From EH : Tuning into the intentions of this group. 09:26:47 From M to All panelists : holding my cup of coffe 09:26:48 From LP : palms on my knees 09:26:48 From EC : Noticing breeze on face 09:26:48 From V to All panelists : mirarme por dentro con amor 09:26:48 From TM to All panelists : Feeling the presence, the love and support of our global sangha at this moment 09:26:49 From mf to All panelists : mirar la respiración abdominal 09:26:49 From MTGP to All panelists : WITH MY PETS... 09:26:49 From WS to All panelists : Simply observing my body being supported by the cushion, supported by the floor, supported by the earth 09:26:50 From PP : petting a cat 09:26:50 From B to All panelists : just staying here. 09:26:50 From DZ to All panelists : laying on yoga blocks with blocks under heart and under head. 09:26:50 From VA to All panelists : with mi cat 09:26:52 From AH : Feeling gratitude for this conversation 09:26:52 From KP to All panelists : baking 09:26:53 From MYW : Sitting outside looking at flowers and my sunning cat 09:26:54 From BMP : The noise of silence 09:26:54 From AM to All panelists : movimientos conscientes, para conectar con mi cuerpo 09:26:54 From tc to All panelists : gratitude 09:26:56 From T to All panelists : remembering zazen - just letting go of emotion, and remember I am here right now, everything else is just thouht on top of that 09:26:56 From MB to All panelists : Viendo jugar a mis gatos 09:26:56 From SAL to All panelists : listening to my kids laughter 09:26:56 From KG : Petting the puppy 09:26:56 From KB to All panelists : going back to the senses of my body, the movement of the air flowing in the body 09:26:59 From KP : My smile 09:26:59 From MD to All panelists : Having a hard time grounding with the distraction of wanting to be part of the chat but also really wanting to focus on the workshop itself - I’m divided and finding that challenging. 09:27:00 From ea to All panelists : Making flower arrangements, fresh from Farmers Mkt 09:27:00 From jc to All panelists : finding a friend at work 09:27:01 From AW to All panelists : Hand on my belly. 09:27:03 From T to All panelists : Sitting by the pond, bare feet on the earth, eating fresh berries and breathing deeply and gently. 09:27:05 From M to All panelists : yes petting my dogs 09:27:05 From PS : Sensing my shoulders, letting them soften 09:27:06 From JLC to All panelists : My dog’s head resting on my lap 09:27:08 From 14O to All panelists : looking out the window at the tree branches gently floating up and down 09:27:08 From bm to All panelists : noticing the candle flicker 09:27:09 From A to All panelists : Looking at your faces kind and gentle 09:27:10 From NCL : Sitting on the ground and feeling the unconditional support 09:27:10 From MS to All panelists : watering the plants on the porch 09:27:11 From M to All panelists : me hace muy bien abrazarme a mi mismo 09:27:13 From EO : The aliveness of nature 09:27:16 From CPES to All panelists : Cada situación forma parte de nuestro propósito. 09:27:16 From tc to All panelists : I do a gratitude list in the am, pm 09:27:17 From CS to All panelists : Trees 09:27:19 From GSG to All panelists : this is so sweet 09:27:19 From GB to All panelists : Yes, the endogenous technology experienced and perceived in the body. an “app” that is always with me 09:27:22 From s to All panelists : Talking with trees 09:27:22 From B to All panelists : hearing the birds outside 09:27:25 From RB to All panelists : looking out the window looking for rhythms 09:27:25 From kDH to All panelists : Rain in background breeze from window 09:27:25 From SG to All panelists : Finding an inner sanctuary in great memories of beautiful places I visited. 09:27:27 From M to All panelists : I talk with mysef and send me a positive missages 09:27:28 From AC: Cooking 09:27:29 From m to All panelists : eye contact with a colleague no words necessary 09:27:31 From m to All panelists : looking in my son’s eyes 09:27:32 From ks : Hearing the birds ground me 09:27:33 From DA to All panelists : Safety/trust of learning; remembering my breath is the best portal. 09:27:33 From MTGP to All panelists : The pets are live 09:27:35 From EH : Feeling the chair i sit on, turning my mala between the vingers, feeling the breath through my nose 09:27:36 From L to All panelists : coloring 09:27:37 From ar : I adore my aromatic plants: basil, organ, mint, my pets ... 09:27:38 From LF to All panelists : The water, swim in the sea 09:27:39 From KB to All panelists : feeling my skin, in contact with the air, with the clithes 09:27:39 From CJ to All panelists : see the sky. see leaves. 09:27:41 From PP : smelling aroma of chocolate mint when I water it. 09:27:44 From V to All panelists : sonreirme 09:27:44 From l to All panelists : dancing what my body feeling 09:27:44 From BB to All panelists : watching the sky turn light into morning 09:27:46 From M to All panelists : poner la mano en el corazón me salva a veces 09:27:49 From ikb : Seeing the wind moving the trees through my window. 09:27:52 From DL to All panelists : knitting!!!! 09:27:52 From M to All panelists : take a bath 09:27:55 From CPES to All panelists : Agradecer cada instante que nos regalan los sentidos. 09:27:57 From MR to All panelists : Tomar vagarosamente uma xícara de chá 09:27:57 From DS to All panelists : holding the knowledge of my Sangha always grounds me and gives me joy 09:27:59 From MFto All panelists : Sentir una pequeña ráfaga de viento frsco en la cara 09:28:05 From Wendy : Love love love all of these! ❤ 09:28:05 From ms : Aware of the life in me and around me 09:28:06 From EB : noticing life, growing plants, watching my sweet older neighbors walking around the block each and every morning, the sun on my face in the morning 09:28:11 From BZ to All panelists : My friend and I do this with corn plants 09:28:13 From MJ to All panelists : Clean up, organize my stuff 09:28:14 From DL to All panelists : riding my bycicle 09:28:15 From AC to All panelists : watching the tomatoes. touchstone 09:28:15 From MM to All panelists : Gardening, and doing inversions on my feedup! 09:28:20 From JR to All panelists : looking up to the sky 09:28:31 From TE to All panelists : What am I doing right now to stay grounded - looking into your faces as a reminder that we are 'live', I am alive, in THIS moment. Gratitude for gravity that keeps me on the chair, on the earth. 09:28:33 From MTGP to All panelists : To fell the grass waking 09:28:34 From NM to All panelists : luv that. in the midst of this disaster, everyone is growing . 09:28:36 From RS : Starting new seedlings 09:28:37 From ST to All panelists : walking meditation 09:28:39 From pg : yes, tomatoes and cucumbers - growing and then eating them... grounding 09:28:40 From 14O to All panelists : love that -- other things still happening --the tomatoes!! 09:28:40 From MM to All panelists : Feetup, I meant to type. 09:28:50 From AR to All panelists : the power down for me is taking off the mask 09:28:53 From tc to All panelists : Yes, yes!! 09:28:55 From LP : Nursing mindfully 09:28:56 From IG to All panelists : ver como abren las flores 09:28:57 From SG : watch cows with calves 09:28:57 From GB to All panelists : The endogenous technology of the breath experienced and perceived through the body is an “app” that is always with me ☺ 09:28:57 From 05SP : washing dishes 09:28:58 From bm to All panelists : visiting the coop each day, taking to the chicken picking up the eggs. 09:29:03 From MTGP to All panelists : To fell something live 09:29:08 From RB to All panelists : even working from home, walking to work (going out and coming back in ) 09:29:11 From DA to All panelists : Mindful blessing before food and actions. 09:29:12 From ES : turning away from a screen and looking at the sky 09:29:14 From CPES to All panelists : El Sentido de Unidad y cooperación nos mantiene hermanados 09:29:15 From MFto All panelists : o poco de agua fresca refscandome al terminar y quitar todo 09:29:19 From EC to All panelists : listening to music on the ride home 09:29:26 From TM to All panelists : Watching videos of kindness 09:29:32 From IK to All panelists : y cuando te quitas la mascarilla --- sigue 09:29:34 From AR to All panelists : yes E 09:29:42 From pb to All panelists : I''ll bring Tony Back smile to grownd myself 09:30:02 From TM to All panelists : Praying (as guided by TNH) 09:30:11 From Tony Back : :) P back at ya! 09:30:30 From Tony Back : T, yes, prayer... 09:30:43 From Tony Back : please have a mindful break 09:30:44 From mf to All panelists : ok 09:30:48 From Tony Back : and move your body! 09:30:53 From MB to All panelists : La encuesta pueden ppnerla también en español??? 09:31:07 From mf to All panelists : donde esta la encuesta 09:31:09 From GB : thank you tony. and you. � 09:31:20 From Tony Back : You’re welcome! 09:31:21 From ar : 20 minutes? 09:31:36 From mf to All panelists : ok 09:31:44 From KB to All panelists : thank you so mucho! this is marvelous! 09:31:45 From JB : Hi M M :) 09:32:00 From EF to All panelists : Thank you all for this wonderful teaching. I am not able to stay all day but will watch the recording. This was a wonderful way to start my vacation. 09:32:31 From Cynda Rushton to All panelists : anything we need to adjust? discuss? 09:32:39 From LP : I don't see a poll.... 09:40:33 From Tony Back to All panelists : I’m back now, got a decaf! 09:45:24 From Tony Back to All panelists : roshi, any course corrections or thoughts? 09:45:31 From Tony Back to All panelists : i think it is going well!! 09:49:32 From Kigaku to All panelists : They can all hear you 09:50:15 From Kigaku to All panelists : Ok you can begin 09:51:17 From Wendy : Thank you for filling out the poll, everyone! 09:56:40 From Wendy : Bracing ourselves put us in a small constricted space that cuts us off from the strength we need… 10:00:31 From Wendy : Our defenses are there for a reason. How do we at the same time acknowledge the suffering we are seeing? 10:04:48 From Wendy : How do we become aware of these patterns/strategies of defense? To hold ourselves with kindness and equanimity while we explore these. Can we approach ourselves with openness and vulnerability? 10:05:27 From Wendy : We’re all here in this global community to hold each other in caring for ourselves while we care for others. 10:05:34 From Tony Back : The clinician has hero 10:05:40 From Tony Back : The medical as military 10:05:48 From Tony Back : A metaphor of combat 10:06:03 From Tony Back : These have unrecognized downsides 10:06:18 From Tony Back : How do we change the metaphor? 10:06:36 From Tony Back : How do we actualize…the calling of service? 10:07:28 From Tony Back : How do *you* discern when you have reached a limit? 10:07:45 From kDH to All panelists : Utter exhaustion 10:07:50 From Tony Back : I start to get really crabby 10:07:51 From SA : I start having nightmares 10:07:51 From T to All panelists : Exhaustion. Despair 10:07:51 From K to All panelists : physical sensations- migraines, chest pain 10:07:51 From SG : I get irritable and reactive 10:07:51 From S : When I lose my compassion for individual patients 10:07:52 From s to All panelists : me percebo irritada 10:07:53 From TH to All panelists : when I can no longer attune to other 10:07:53 From OP7P to All panelists : cuando no puedo dormir 10:07:53 From AD to All panelists : I notice that I can’t complete 10:07:53 From T : When I find myself feeling irritable or annoyed 10:07:54 From AD to All panelists : a 10:07:54 From TK : noticing irritability, anger, losing empathy 10:07:55 From J to All panelists : I notice anger in myself that isn’t balanced by compassion. 10:07:55 From MR to All panelists : Quando sinto vontade de desistir 10:07:56 From AA to All panelists : irritation 10:07:57 From AD to All panelists : task. jump 10:07:58 From sh to All panelists : When dialogue is shut down, that is my limit. 10:07:58 From AR to All panelists : when I begin to disconnect 10:07:58 From AD to All panelists : from 10:07:59 From EL : impatience, fatigue, exhaustion 10:08:01 From T to All panelists : when I start dreaming about work.....or have work related nightmares 10:08:01 From Tony Back : T, yes 10:08:01 From fm : when I question if I’m actually doing more harm than good (palliative care here) 10:08:01 From mf to All panelists : físicamente me sucede que me viene un dolor de cabeza que me avisa 10:08:01 From SH to All panelists : When I feel defensive 10:08:01 From AD to All panelists : on to another 10:08:01 From TW to All panelists : I get physically sick, or experience higher apathy 10:08:02 From JC to All panelists : I become cool and smart rather than curious and compassionate 10:08:02 From KM to All panelists : I get a feeling of being closed. Shut down. 10:08:02 From ES : When i’m so hungry and not eating. 10:08:02 From AC to All panelists : I feel cold, unempathetic 10:08:03 From TE to All panelists : I find myself getting very impatient 10:08:03 From MM to All panelists : when I disconect from the loving 10:08:03 From EC : complaining 10:08:04 From jg to All panelists : Inability to refocus 10:08:04 From JD to All panelists : sternness 10:08:05 From ND : Tears come easily as well as breakdowns; oozing out grief everywhere 10:08:05 From RB to All panelists : when I don't want to see anyone 10:08:05 From JMR to All panelists : Impotencia 10:08:05 From A to All panelists : apathy 10:08:06 From CJ to All panelists : gone quiet 10:08:06 From MW to All panelists : Anger. 10:08:06 From ms : I get irritable, lose my compassion and get a stiff neck 10:08:06 From KL to All panelists : I know I've reached my limit when I get irritated and angry AT my client 10:08:07 From AM to All panelists : cynicism 10:08:07 From JH to All panelists : Deshumanizaciòn 10:08:07 From EH : Intolerance 10:08:08 From PB : When I get grumpy with my colleagues.. 10:08:08 From JKJ : grumpy, loss of patience and compassion 10:08:08 From Tony Back : J, yes! 10:08:08 From 05SP : not eating or sleeping 10:08:08 From PP : When I have utter exhaustion -- feeling confused 10:08:08 From KP : Absence of joy 10:08:09 From MD to All panelists : When I dread going to work. 10:08:09 From B to All panelists : shutting down 10:08:09 From TK : t sleeping 10:08:09 From AB to All panelists : Shutting down.. 10:08:09 From tc to All panelists : Anger, grief, 10:08:10 From jD to All panelists : disassociate 10:08:11 From JH to All panelists : Insensibilizaciòn 10:08:11 From MAM to All panelists : Cuando emerge la rabia, el nerviosismo, la impaciencia... 10:08:11 From LP : I notice that I'm "spinning" - same thoughts over and over. 10:08:11 From A to All panelists : when I have gone “numb” and are not able to even recognize my own feelings 10:08:12 From CJ to All panelists : I find my self impatient with patients/families and myself 10:08:12 From B to All panelists : pulling inward 10:08:13 From Tony Back : dehumanization yes 10:08:14 From NB to All panelists : exhaustion. tired 10:08:14 From M to All panelists : estoy en el limite cuando me aparece problemas de sueño e irritabilidad. perdida de capacidad de sentir compasion 10:08:15 From L : Trying to control more 10:08:16 From kD : frenetic mind... unable to make a decision.... need to go an isolate in locked bathroom for a minute or two 10:08:16 From lg : numbness 10:08:16 From EL : Resentment 10:08:17 From JO to All panelists : constant crying 10:08:18 From EH : Resentment 10:08:18 From D to All panelists : Body ache 10:08:18 From EC to All panelists : Dissociate with others, isollate 10:08:19 From AR to All panelists : anger is a big ine 10:08:19 From ECB to All panelists : cuando me canso, y la actividad realizada no lo justifica 10:08:19 From CS to All panelists : Circular thinking 10:08:20 From Tony Back : impatience, spinning, yes 10:08:20 From DR to All panelists : When I start to pull away from nourishing connections 10:08:21 From T to All panelists : Loss of patience 10:08:21 From V to All panelists : irritabilidad y perdida de compasion con mis pacientes 10:08:21 From ECB to All panelists : con la ira 10:08:21 From V to All panelists : dolor de espalda 10:08:21 From c to All panelists : becoming sarcastic 10:08:21 From M to All panelists : ira, enfado 10:08:21 From SAL to All panelists : when I feel fearful of doing my job 10:08:23 From JLC to All panelists : When I feel like I have stones tying me down 10:08:23 From LM to All panelists : Anxiety/anger 10:08:23 From KK : Loss of connection 10:08:24 From K to All panelists : Losing patience with my staff, with patients 10:08:24 From AD to All panelists : I jump from one thing to another 10:08:24 From pb to All panelists : can’t model what I’d call a good example to a trainee 10:08:25 From MM : panic, feeling trapped, overwhelmed 10:08:26 From JR to All panelists : headaches 10:08:27 From Tony Back : circular, fearful 10:08:27 From DA to All panelists : Want to isolate 10:08:28 From CBN to All panelists : answering with a sharp tone, impatience 10:08:28 From ar : frustracion 10:08:28 From FB to All panelists : anger, loss of empathy, loss of selfcare even 10:08:29 From CP to All panelists : Cuando no puedo más. 10:08:30 From lv : Stress eating 10:08:30 From CS to All panelists : I know when I touch my limits when the emotional connexion with my patient is lost, and I only connect with the theory 10:08:30 From BMP : Non Acceptation 10:08:30 From DL : tears pop up at not the most appropriate times at work 10:08:31 From s : my colleagues come and chat with me of their concern they hear in me 10:08:32 From HDH to All panelists : I weep less often. 10:08:32 From VJ to All panelists : numbing then anger, irritability, hating the news reportage, just such hatred as I have not felt before 10:08:33 From AH : sleepy, irritable, unfocused 10:08:33 From JKJ : yes, panic 10:08:33 From jD to All panelists : patronizing in my service 10:08:33 From PP : ANGER 10:08:34 From pg : impatience, shutting down and going numb 10:08:35 From SG to All panelists : noticing resentment 10:08:35 From AB to All panelists : desconexión, miedo, 10:08:36 From m to All panelists : frustration, anger 10:08:36 From Y to All panelists : I can't really SEE my colleagues on the Zoom. 10:08:36 From JR to All panelists : I notice my limit by how harsh or rigid I am with coworkers 10:08:36 From LP : Feel "short", irritable. 10:08:37 From fm : compassion fatigue 10:08:37 From IP to All panelists : el límite es flexible... ahora no puedo más y quizás en unas horas puedo seguir... 10:08:38 From Tony Back : jumping, tears, or not tears 10:08:39 From B to All panelists : I become very short with people...angry with everyone. exhaustion 10:08:40 From RS to All panelists : hit a wall 10:08:40 From JC to All panelists : fear, anxiety 10:08:41 From AD to All panelists : shut down ability to hear even my daughter 10:08:43 From TH to All panelists : insomnia 10:08:43 From X to All panelists : FRUSTACION 10:08:44 From sw to All panelists : exhaustion and anger for loss of dignity 10:08:44 From ES : feeling overwhelmed, tears 10:08:44 From ngs to All panelists : Loss of daily rhythm 10:08:44 From LL to All panelists : Losing actual items..a lot, “spacing out” 10:08:45 From RA to All panelists : exhaustion and plans to retire- follow different path 10:08:45 From M : feeling hopeless and lonely 10:08:45 From ST : Resentment, complete exhaustion 10:08:45 From V to All panelists : enojo...ansiedad 10:08:46 From SG : drinking alcohol 10:08:47 From Tony Back : feel short, shut down 10:08:47 From HG : when I cling to my view of what is right...anger an indicator.i stop listening... 10:08:48 From AM : cynicism 10:08:48 From AR to All panelists : look at job vacancies 10:08:48 From AH to All panelists : Exhaustion, headaches, judgmental irritability. 10:08:49 From PM : loss of connection and impatience 10:08:49 From EB : not being able to rest at night, waking up feeling tired/anxious 10:08:49 From lv : COMPLAINING!! 10:08:50 From YCF to All panelists : Impotencia.. 10:08:50 From AF to All panelists : I notice it in my chest! it seems it will explote 10:08:52 From EH : Hopelessness/Helplessness 10:08:52 From M to All panelists : ganas de huir y buscar refugio 10:08:52 From S : literally falling asleep as I'm walking to work 10:08:52 From DZ to All panelists : anger/defensiveness 10:08:53 From CS to All panelists : a signal is when I have difficulty in the shifting back and forth between full concentration/action mode and processing mode, when the task mode loses its smoothness.....and the other intrudes 10:08:54 From BOJ to All panelists : Escuchar mas mi sufrimiento sin poder sintonizar, sensación de bloqueo cognitivo, sentimiento fuerte de no ser cpaz de inseguridad 10:08:54 From Tony Back : cynicism yes 10:08:54 From ES : insomnia 10:08:57 From KS to All panelists : numb 10:08:57 From LP : My shoulders up around my ears, clenched chest and throat. 10:08:58 From JLC to All panelists : When I can not touch into the moment, more of an outside observer than participant with presence 10:09:01 From GFdS to All panelists : losing empathy 10:09:01 From Tony Back : wow these are profound 10:09:02 From jg to All panelists : Oh yes, the helplessness 10:09:03 From EO to All panelists : distracted, lack of concentration and focus 10:09:04 From KC to All panelists : total distancing from myself... spacing out...demonizing situation or institution or individuals 10:09:05 From KT : cynicism. 10:09:07 From RH to All panelists : Its an inner knowing, paying attention to what my body is telling me and listening 10:09:08 From TN to All panelists : irritability at the system/administration. I agree it comes from inability to control circumstances. However, feel kind/compassionate with patients and their families. 10:09:10 From RS : When the only option is to take a deep breath and go to the next moment again and again. Just a moment of brief respite. 10:09:10 From T to All panelists : It’s so valuable to see the experiences of others. Thank you to all. 10:09:11 From Tony Back : distractability, yes 10:09:11 From C : miedo, ansiedad, descontrol 10:09:12 From am to All panelists : chorar e chorar 10:09:12 From RF to All panelists : Unpleasant sensations in my body. my best compassionate and oving alarm is my house. is to come home. Yo my body. 10:09:13 From B to All panelists : So right on Roshi! 10:09:14 From Tony Back : Hello K!!! 10:09:18 From MM : Roshi can you say that again? 10:09:20 From JW : getting snippy or sarcastic 10:09:21 From HR : irritability, feeling so many pulls in my psyche, emotions cannot access, building up inside - needing to step back and go inward 10:09:21 From m to All panelists : react instead of respond 10:09:23 From MN to All panelists : helpless &cry easily 10:09:26 From MAT to All panelists : cansancio ante la tanta impotencia, ganas de dormir y desconectarme de la realidad. 10:09:28 From LP : Resignation, numbness. 10:09:29 From PB : Back pain, headaches 10:09:29 From Tony Back : Unpleasant sensations…. 10:09:29 From ES : Can you repeat that about anger? 10:09:29 From df to All panelists : I know when I’m overwhelmed when I feel numb or when I have gone several shifts without crying. 10:09:31 From KS to All panelists : Anytime I stop, I cry 10:09:34 From KB to All panelists : Daily headaches, changing topics clients want to talk about. Irritable toward a broken system 10:09:34 From MB to All panelists : the usual resourcing dries up 10:09:37 From AM : self loathing 10:09:38 From BVE to All panelists : IRA, cinismo, deshumanizar el trabajo 10:09:41 From Tony Back : feeling dried up 10:09:43 From AC: I was in a long time burnout; and I only found out about burnout when I made my palliative care training. Now I recognize when I reached my limits when I’m impatient, hopeless, and nothing doing the best I can 10:09:44 From lg : reactivity 10:09:45 From CS to All panelists : when I move from dread to hopelessness 10:09:51 From Tony Back : reactive, yes L 10:09:54 From EO to All panelists : guilt re: letting my colleagues down when I feel as if cannot take on another patient 10:09:55 From JO to All panelists : anger because anything I asked for was not resolved 10:09:56 From M to All panelists : I feel on the edge when i feel very high emotional pain inside 10:10:00 From BZ to All panelists : Wow chat room blew up; 10:10:04 From LP : When I see many messages from my team in my inbox and feel a big "meh." 10:10:05 From CBN to All panelists : yes! Compassion gives me energy and resilience - it's heals, not hurts 10:10:08 From Tony Back : Self loathing, yes we turn on ourselves 10:10:26 From GM to All panelists : i've been training compassion with meditation practice on love and kindness, hoping transform this military metaphor into a compassionate view and actions on daily life 10:10:28 From c to All panelists : finding my self on automatic pilot, not really caring 10:10:33 From kDH to All panelists : exactly 10:10:33 From sw to All panelists : anger for lack of dignity 10:10:36 From AD : thank you for the new language 10:10:38 From T to All panelists : Let’s have that discussion 10:10:42 From JC to All panelists : numb 10:10:48 From BVE to All panelists : reactivity 10:10:49 From Tony Back : Sharon, hey hello! 10:10:55 From PP : I once threw my beeper (which was going off non-stop) in the ER nurses station because they would not give me a chance to answer before beeping again :-O 10:10:58 From mf to All panelists : compasión es la empatía puesta en accion 10:10:59 From Wendy : Helplessness can flip into blaming 10:10:59 From AD to All panelists : thank you, Roshi. compassion is renewable resource 10:11:07 From M to All panelists : yessss the empathic anguish 10:11:11 From Tony Back : Pam, yes, i totally identify... 10:11:11 From 5652 to All panelists : That’s it! Empathic distress! Thank you! 10:11:13 From PT to All panelists : When I begin trying to “fix” 10:11:18 From SA : Anger is a form of energy that can be empowering 10:11:27 From mf to All panelists : dar respuesta con actos a la empatía . actos supererogatorios 10:11:39 From AS to All panelists : sharpness with words slips i to cutting 10:12:04 From ES to All panelists : Roshi, can you repeat what you said about anger that changed your view? 10:12:09 From Wendy : What am I actually responsible for. What part of this is mine, and what part is not mine to carry. 10:12:10 From mf to All panelists : somos responsables de lo que hacemos pero no de los resultados de esto 10:12:12 From LP : It's not my fault but it's difficult when your leadership gives you messages that it is your fault. I need to turn them off, I tend to internalize those external messages. 10:12:13 From RB to All panelists : with the combat metaphor; there feels like an expectation to lay down my life in service, I didn't sign up for that; some guilt and anger in that 10:12:26 From fm : shame associated with no treatment 10:12:30 From CC to All panelists : Anger is what we can access. For me at times anger is a portal. What is underneath this anger? 10:12:32 From EL : Thank you Cynda that’s so true and helpful 10:12:34 From S : unable to fall asleep even though totally exhausted 10:12:43 From Tony Back : S, yes the mind races… 10:12:50 From Tony Back : or rather the thinking races 10:12:57 From NM to All panelists : thanks Cynda, this is the problem with modern medicine. we are teaching people we are doers rather than healers. our presence is as valuable as what we do. 10:13:12 From EO : dreaming/nightmares 10:13:16 From SA : What is not our responsibility and what we cannot control 10:13:20 From tb to All panelists : More than ever in my life, I appreciate the importance of being in Not Knowing, and although I do not embody this precept to the degree I aspire to, even a bit of immersion in Not Knowing creates a softening that allows for greater equanimity and compassion. 10:13:21 From Tony Back : Anger as lack of agency and lack of control…a sense of profound helplessness... 10:13:27 From MM : I have such a hard time with knowing what I am responsible for when I am in a role of leadership 10:13:35 From FR to All panelists : Sobre todo cuando se genera un conflicto de rol y se sospechaba que aquellas soluciones trascienden nuestra posición formal y se relaciona más bien con quienes se encuentran en esferas de decisión y poder. 10:13:37 From CBN to All panelists : and yet, a friend of mine in another hospital told me that administration brought in an "expert" who gave a presentation about "bullying" with lots of exhortations that "there's no excuse for the expression of anger" - I felt that was so inappropriate, and really doesn't address the root cause of anger and exhaustion. 10:13:58 From B to All panelists : Everyday runs into the next....one after another. everyday is “blurs day” 10:14:05 From Wendy : Roshi: Anger appears to me is coming from lack of agency, lack of control, threat to survival Seeing this changed my relationship to anger - my own and anger that is thrown at me 10:14:26 From T to All panelists : Anger is suffering’s bodyguard. 10:14:41 From sw to All panelists : angry because values are being violated 10:14:51 From TH to All panelists : anger is communication stuck in the head 10:14:53 From T to All panelists : Not that that’s good, desirable or effective 10:14:55 From MM : anger as a response to grief 10:14:59 From JKJ : Anger represents fear in me. 10:15:06 From KK : I find it difficult to validate my own feelings because I’m not directly dealing with COVID patients and therefore “shouldn’t feel this way”- I know I have it much better than most and that my feelings are valid, but this is something that I often struggle with (a deep conversation with myself on a daily basis) 10:15:06 From GFdS to All panelists : anger for me is a king of deguisée hope 10:15:08 From AD : yes Jin 10:15:13 From AD to All panelists : anger is only acceptable emotion for men in our society 10:15:13 From Wendy : Tony: anger has also taken on as false empowerment strategy 10:15:13 From CC to All panelists : tightness in my jaw! Is an early warning system. 10:15:21 From MM to All panelists : Yes, anger often is that fear that comes from feeling powerless. 10:15:27 From C to All panelists : Debajo de la ira hay una necesidad no satisfecha y nos ha ayuda a identificar cual es si escuchamos en nuestro interior 10:15:36 From T to All panelists : Pretty much always 10:15:37 From RB to All panelists : speaking FOR my anger not FROM my anger; the expression is what is difficult 10:15:50 From VJ to All panelists : we ARE under threat, yes! 10:15:51 From JC to All panelists : Anger is our name for survival fight energy 10:15:53 From Tony Back : Robin, i like that... 10:15:59 From JW : sarcasm seems to be a default way of communicating for many 10:16:00 From AD to All panelists : we get angry about something we deeply value 10:16:03 From SG : I feel right when angry 10:16:07 From Tony Back : J, yes sarcasm 10:16:11 From JKJ : it’s definitely good practice to step back and see what’s under it. 10:16:18 From fm to All panelists : my colleagues are really hurt when faced with family’s anger 10:16:20 From ECB to All panelists : me dí cuenta de la ira que había en mí hace muy poco... a raiz de eso vino darme cuenta de la culpa que había en mi... trabajarlo ha sido muy importante en mi crecimiento interior 10:16:20 From Tony Back : S, we *do* want to feel ‘right’... 10:16:21 From k : K I also have been feeling guilt for not-being directly “front-line” like my friends and colleagues 10:16:22 From JD to All panelists : yes, sarcasm 10:16:24 From Wendy : Where is the anger actually coming from? Often the threat is to our identity and our sense of personhood. 10:16:32 From B to All panelists : anger tells me that what I am doing is not sustainable 10:16:43 From jD to All panelists : for those of us who go the other way (anger) can you speak about depression that results instead of anger? 10:16:55 From Tony Back : Jayne, got it thank you... 10:16:56 From HR : sving bird who hit window - now in leaves in greenhouse until recovers, I rya..but listening deeply to this 10:16:57 From RB to All panelists : I have been told and reminded that HOLDING SPACE for others is also frontline 10:16:57 From SG : so it balances? 10:16:59 From C to All panelists : what about anger as a sign of a boundary violation, or ethical trespass? 10:17:00 From RS : Threat to “sense of self” 10:17:03 From T to All panelists : Trump brings this up very well for people. 10:17:04 From MM to All panelists : Writing poetry helps me channelled anger in a more empowering way. 10:17:07 From AD : K I journaled about that same thing earlier 10:17:12 From SA : I think of the fire of anger as a crucible that can be purifying if we stay with the emotion and allow it to transform 10:17:20 From Tony Back : T, yes, exactly, that’s his gig 10:17:21 From tc to All panelists : Under the anger, sadness! 10:17:24 From df : Anger towards other teams within the hospital is toxic and keeps coming up. Every team is under extreme pressure- environmental, transport, etc, are under extreme pressure to turn around rooms and ICU, covid beds. 10:17:41 From Tony Back : D, yes 10:17:41 From jD to All panelists : I have understood that depression is anger turned towards oneself instead of it going outward 10:17:47 From T to All panelists : In Christianity too 10:17:55 From Tony Back : Jayne, that’s such a good point 10:18:00 From 14O to All panelists : KK-this is an experience I also had and it included a great deal of anger about the PPE shortage. I had to reach out to nurse colleagues involved with clinical care for COVID and those clinicians like myself who were not and talk about it in order to move beyond my feelings of guilt and anger. 10:18:03 From K to All panelists : anger is information 10:18:09 From Tony Back : K, exactly 10:18:25 From KK : The guilt is extremely complex- its a daily dialogue. 10:18:26 From CBN to All panelists : When you said that anger makes us labeled as "angry and not trustworthy" also makes me thing of Black women being characterized as "angry Black women" who are then ignored and discounted in what they're trying to say 10:18:26 From df : I want to help this situation but it’s constant and very tricky! 10:18:30 From CBH : Can you say a bit more about separating the feeling from the narrative? 10:18:38 From A to All panelists : Wonderful point Wendy about anger being connected to sense of identity. I notice my anger come up if I feel like I'm not being seen as I feel like "I should be seen". When I delve into my anger, it's often my ego that is wounded. 10:18:38 From JD : Blaming is so tricky 10:18:47 From B to All panelists : feeling validated thank you 10:18:56 From HA to All panelists : Anger is a signal that something important to us has been violated. If we recognize the signal and can hold it with spaciousness and equanimity, we can ultimately respond, too, with spaciousness and equanimity. 10:19:10 From CC to All panelists : Naming it! Powerful 10:19:37 From Wendy : Strategy: dissociate the feeling from the narrative. Where do you feel the sensation of anger in your body? Rest in feeling -> response that is realistic and not personalized and develop skillful means. But not to squelch or push the anger away 10:19:39 From MC to All panelists : what is the group that is studying the idea of empathetic distress that Roshi mentioned? 10:19:58 From KB to All panelists : They are all human emotions. Inquire how you feel each emotion in your body is a great practice 10:20:01 From CS to All panelists : yes, when we displace the moral anger's true target and devolve into expressing it toward peer teams ----we're losing on all fronts: we our de-resourcing ourselves from peer support, and also turning blind to the institutional issues that we need to address (although those have to wait for another moment to respond to , not while doing the pt care) 10:20:08 From EB to All panelists : This is incredibly helpful ! 10:20:13 From Tony Back : M, Roshi was mentioning Tania Singer’s group, but there are others 10:20:15 From GSG to All panelists : important also to honor the anger, acknowledge it as protector, accepting it, even if it is getting in our way - self-preservation - even if not the most effective in the moment - it exists to protect and warn us 10:20:19 From RB to All panelists : speak for anger not from anger 10:20:23 From Wendy : Being able to welcome whatever is there! 10:20:25 From T to All panelists : Anger is so often NOT acknowledging and accepting what we see as reality. 10:20:36 From Tony Back : Yes G, *honoring* our anger 10:20:44 From DA to All panelists : We need to be gentle with how we direct it. It can harm others and self deeply. 10:20:57 From T to All panelists : How often do patients come in complaining about the external world? 10:21:07 From BZ to All panelists : That’s great 10:21:08 From KK : It reminds me of Rumi’s “The Guest House” 10:21:19 From Wendy : Hello old friend, I know you! 10:21:21 From JKJ : Yes, K! 10:21:25 From JD : and helpnessness 10:21:35 From AF to All panelists : it´s like Rummy.... no? Welcome all to mybj 10:21:36 From T to All panelists : Depression is usually a third layer on top of anger, where the anger is unexpressed 10:21:40 From AF to All panelists : my home 10:21:49 From Tony Back : T yes 10:21:50 From JKJ : Or TNH - let the visitors (feelings) in, don’t serve them tea. 10:21:53 From B to All panelists : love the guest house very helpful 10:22:08 From Tony Back : Thank you for bringing Rumi into this! 10:22:08 From LP : Could you say more about what the narrative is? Are you saying the narrative is what we think is the reason for the anger, and we might not be telling ourselves a true story? 10:22:10 From T to All panelists : YES 10:22:21 From EFG to All panelists : Jin Kai, thank you for adding this. I love this visual. 10:22:25 From TH to All panelists : I took inspiration from this by Jack Kornfield: 10:23:13 From 5652 to All panelists : If you don’t serve them tea, what do you do with them? 10:23:23 From GS : How to we learn to make a big enough space for anger, resentment and irritability? I always work to be aware of the space surrounding what is arising. 10:23:25 From S to All panelists : Anger is present in so many areas dealing w/ COVID- Even in family members who see things differently and perhaps even don't follow guidelines when it comes to COVID and put themselves at risk- and then blame you when you bring it to their attention 10:23:25 From TH to All panelists : where others hoard, help 10:23:34 From SA : Yes, the split-brain research 10:23:37 From TH to All panelists : where others deceive, stand up for truth 10:23:40 From LP : Oh yes! Thank you!!! 10:23:53 From AW to All panelists : Anger is my response to some other need not being met. 10:24:01 From JD : anger can also feel like power within our bodies 10:24:06 From MM to All panelists : I also like what Thich Nhat Hanh says: “Anger makes me ugly.” Good reminder to transform it into something else, like compassion. 10:24:10 From tc to All panelists : Or our anger triggers developmental trauma 10:24:16 From IMMS to All panelists : I welcomed the wolf and was able to pet it 10:24:22 From T to All panelists : What’s the disappointment beneath the anger. Because that’s the driver. 10:24:36 From Tony Back : T, yes it touches into our childhood stuff... 10:24:43 From T to All panelists : yes 10:25:13 From CPES : Es importante aceptar que las cosas no son como nos gustarían que fueran.Podríamos pensar que la ira está muy relacionado con la intolerancia a la frustración.La aceptación aunque lleve dolor es importante para continuar fluyendo con la vida 10:25:19 From CBN to All panelists : The Zen question "Are you sure?" 10:25:25 From ms : It's been helpful for me to realize that the cause of my anger is just a thought, an idea... 10:25:30 From SG : True 10:25:36 From K to All panelists : there's a balance between venting with colleagues, and contributing to the toxic narrative. It's hard 10:25:40 From C to All panelists : What is the difference between anger and indignation and the difference between being moved to action and the need to just deal with personal anger? 10:25:43 From Wendy : am I part of keeping this story going? 10:25:45 From BZ to All panelists : 3 minutes to feel, three hours to think 3 daysto respond. (And three years in counseling lolol) 10:25:50 From B to All panelists : so many emotions rise and fall I am quickly learning to surf 10:25:58 From bm to All panelists : Frank Ostaski always ask, Is it really really true? such a great question. 10:25:59 From E to All panelists : there is a 3 step technique from the acceptance and commitment therapy tradition : 1.acknowledge to yourself whatever you are feeling or thinking right now 2. ground back into your body (squeeze shoulder blades together, feet firmly into the ground etc) 3. get back to what you were doing. You can then longer term, notice what patterns are coming up step 1 10:26:04 From BMP : Hay que ser positivos. Cuando se acepta la situación el cambio sucede por sí mismo. 10:26:06 From PP : "Rightfights" are definitely a pain. :-) 10:26:16 From SA : "True" may not be the only criterion--"helpful" matters too 10:26:17 From TE to All panelists : I ask myself, do I want to be right or do I want to be in relationship? 10:26:39 From KB to All panelists : El trabajo con la ira es fundamental como profesionales de la salud 10:27:30 From Tony Back : C, your question is what your discernment could address when you find yourself in anger? 10:27:37 From Wendy : What typically do you do to keep yourselves from being overwhelmed? 10:27:41 From S : eat well and exercise 10:27:44 From JKJ : try to get outside for a few minutes 10:27:44 From ms : Self care 10:27:51 From SG : slow down 10:27:51 From u : respiro de forma consciente una o cien veces 10:27:52 From H to All panelists : sleep 10:27:54 From SR : Dig into something that I can do 10:27:56 From Tony Back : Thank you Noah! I love seeing people’s faces!! 10:27:58 From LP : Si C, gracias. 10:27:58 From SA : slow down 10:28:00 From JKJ : One thing at a time. 10:28:01 From EC to All panelists : Take time in nature, listen to music 10:28:02 From tc to All panelists : Yes, slow down! 10:28:02 From MN to All panelists : journaling 10:28:03 From Tony Back : S, yes 10:28:04 From ES : I call a coworker and talk to them. 10:28:05 From 5652 to All panelists : Hide 10:28:06 From MM to All panelists : I remind myself of the transient nature of all. “This too will pass.” 10:28:06 From KS to All panelists : RAIN 10:28:06 From CJ to All panelists : Try to remind myself we are just humans doing the best we can 10:28:07 From sh to All panelists : Work within realistic, defined boundaries 10:28:07 From KK : try to take 30min-1hr a day for myself 10:28:08 From Tony Back : M, love that 10:28:08 From AA to All panelists : Retreat from social media and news 10:28:09 From cv to All panelists : meditation,exercise, talk to friends 10:28:10 From TH to All panelists : one problem at a time, being present in the moment 10:28:12 From ST : I have to take a break; go outside and get fresh air proactively. I insist on taking a lunch break. 10:28:13 From ND : spiritual practice and great peers 10:28:14 From M : excercise 10:28:14 From KP to All panelists : something with my hands 10:28:16 From LB : I say No. 10:28:17 From PM : music and self care 10:28:19 From AH : Laugh 10:28:19 From D to All panelists : Acceptance: I am feeling bad 10:28:20 From jw : sit in and amongst the trees … 10:28:20 From tc to All panelists : Nature works 10:28:20 From T : daily yoga and meditation 10:28:21 From lv : Go for a run! 10:28:22 From T to All panelists : I call upon the higher power that crosses through us all to see things differently 10:28:22 From jD to All panelists : learn to say no when I know my next step will be eroding my capability 10:28:23 From AD to All panelists : call friends 10:28:25 From Tony Back : Andreas, yes pause on social media (hello!) 10:28:26 From SG : go outside and stamp my feet 10:28:26 From N to All panelists : observar la respiracion 10:28:28 From AC to All panelists : Dar un paseo 10:28:31 From VJ to All panelists : find quiet. go out in nature. ride horses. walk dogs. yoga! 10:28:31 From BMP : Acepto las cosas como son, me trato con amor y me quiero. 10:28:32 From MD to All panelists : deep breathing 10:28:32 From ECB to All panelists : parar, respirar, soltar... dejar estar... volver a retomar 10:28:32 From S to All panelists : daily bike rides in the fresh air, since the gym is closed ...Anchoring to the breath, like beginners mind, keeping coming back to the breath 10:28:33 From T to All panelists : And it usually works! 10:28:33 From MW to All panelists : Be in nature 10:28:35 From AD to All panelists : process real time 10:28:36 From AC: Wine, family, dogs, cooking, break for coffee with friends, praying 10:28:37 From V to All panelists : me distraigo y veo tv 10:28:37 From Tony Back : S, you made me smile 10:28:37 From B to All panelists : mindfulness is a superpower 10:28:40 From JMR to All panelists : La practica de meditacion zen hacer biodanza, confiar en mi ser 10:28:41 From MSM to All panelists : dance and sing 10:28:42 From mf to All panelists : hago siempre algo que me gusta que no tiene que ver a veces con mi profesion 10:28:43 From LJ to All panelists : withdraw into the solitude of my home spaces 10:28:44 From DL : it's very hard right now. I have found that when I can, having a nice, healthful lunch is nurturing during a stressful day 10:28:46 From Tony Back : AC, yes R! 10:28:48 From SG to All panelists : daily meditation. a walk by the ocean. music. reaching out to friends. volunteering 10:28:52 From L to All panelists : I call family... I forgive myself 10:28:55 From PS : Lie down for an hour every night before bed, and just listen to my body 10:28:58 From Tony Back : D, nourishing yourself is spot on 10:28:58 From EH : When I have the presence of mind to reach out to someone else for support, I can at least diminish my sense of overwhelm. 10:28:59 From BZ to All panelists : Thank you for all of these suggestions 10:29:05 From LP : Oh what a lovely group of humans, I needed this. 10:29:07 From Tony Back : P, lovely 10:29:08 From SS to All panelists : Journalling about my feelings of being overwhelmed and talking with a trusted person about what I am feeling are helpful 10:29:09 From SD to All panelists : looking for an isolated place and think or talking to someone I trust 10:29:13 From KL : Seek balance by making sure I get outside, walk, get enough sleep. Meditation. 10:29:21 From 14O to All panelists : Start my day with intention. Be mindful of my boundaries. Step back for a minute and reconsider when I recognize that I am in over my head. Think about what I can do to gracefully exit. 10:29:24 From ID to All panelists : Plan walking or swimming for at least 30 minutes a day. 10:29:25 From Tony Back : S, that relational connection is so important 10:29:26 From L : Make a list of what I need/want to do, so I can visually see what is racing in my mind, and what I can let go of. 10:29:26 From kD : Watching nature.. sitting in the backyard and watching the birds and birdfeeder. 10:29:30 From Tony Back : Irene i love swimming too 10:29:32 From RF to All panelists : Observe, look at my partner, see him. Look ai it. look at my nephews, my parents. Look at me in the mirror. 10:29:38 From JC to All panelists : come back to my body, especially in nature 10:29:38 From kDH to All panelists : Love that 10:29:43 From df : Sitting before every shift has been very important. It changes the entire night. 10:29:44 From Tony Back : RF, yes 10:29:46 From HR : I withdrarw form outward engagement; I turn inward, breathe and recall my ntention , attuning to my body messages and pay attention to themessages and follow their lead 10:29:50 From CLC : inhale and exhale 3 times and come back to my center 10:29:53 From L to All panelists : Estoy aprendiendo a recurrir a mi compañero compasivo y esto me ayuda. 10:29:56 From KM to All panelists : Focus on the person/task in front of me, focus my breathe and presence in the present situation, and visualize everything else existing in a cloud of compassion. Since 'everything else' is surrounded by compassion, I am free to focus on what is in front of me. 10:30:14 From Wendy : Hi J! 10:30:30 From EC : Aw, hi J! 10:30:50 From MAT to All panelists : parar, conectar con mi voz interior, y hablarme lindo. y conecto con algo que me gusta, usar la imaginación para mi bienestar. 10:31:01 From CW to All panelists : I place my hand on the body part where I feel the tension in my body and give that part on my body warmth, return to feeling my in and out breath 10:31:02 From BZ to All panelists : Great suggestion J 10:31:03 From MW to All panelists : Connection is essential. 10:31:12 From MDB : Do something tangible and concrete. Even washing hands, using Purell, going to the bathroom, take a walk… and doing it intentionally, with presence. This helps me feel “in control.” 10:31:13 From tc to All panelists : Connection thanks J! 10:31:14 From Tony Back : C, i love that self-cueing to the somatic 10:31:15 From Wendy : Ahh, making a clean break - ending. And connection is so important at this time. 10:31:28 From CC to All panelists : J, 10:31:30 From kD : Going for a few minutes into the chapel and sit quietly and drop into my breath 10:31:35 From Tony Back : M, yes those concrete things which are not just thoughts—super helpful 10:31:42 From MW to All panelists : Yes M...Tidying helps! 10:31:46 From LP : try to breathe into the feeling to see if the actual source of it comes up (as it may not be the proximal source of it) 10:31:47 From Tony Back : K, that is beautiful 10:31:53 From CC to All panelists : Thank you for your work. Powerful. 10:31:53 From KP to All panelists : Helps me to have some visual supports. I use sticky notes and line them up with what to do and like J says make a clean brea from one thing to another. 10:31:56 From EO : daily ritual to separate leaving the hospital each day to try to keep some distance between work and home 10:31:57 From Tony Back : L, nice! 10:32:21 From KK : Throughout the day, my team and I will just shout out “3 good things-go!” and we all go around our office and just state something in that moment 10:32:39 From KP : I like to see the freedom from suffering - the freedom from overwhelm - in others, and other beings. The unbridled joy of our dog running freely, and the birds etc. I have also learned to protect my mornings before work - for personal practice and spaciousness. 10:32:41 From Tony Back : K, love that team energy! 10:32:58 From Tony Back : K, noticing that freedom is a nice practice 10:33:02 From B to All panelists : If I am completely honest, I am not very good at using the tools I have learned about over the years to keep myself balanced when I am overwhelmed. I am deeply grateful to you all for this conversation. 10:33:07 From LP : I used to end with a warm handshake, and I miss this 10:33:13 From Tony Back : Badasow, thanks for your honesty :) 10:33:19 From B to All panelists : Zoom briefly disappeared for a while. It's back on now. 10:33:30 From Tony Back : L, we need to reinvent, yes… 10:33:31 From HR : Hey draper! 10:33:49 From HR : love,H 10:34:00 From CC to All panelists : A, lovely to see you. Bowing in deep gratitude to you. 10:34:10 From Wendy : L, yes touch is so important and we’re missing that now. 10:34:26 From CBN to All panelists : Thank you for remembering the Hospice Aides - they are the heart of hospice care 10:34:52 From Tony Back : C, yes we are all learning how important *all* the unrecognized people are… 10:35:16 From DA to All panelists : If we can name it we can tame it! 10:35:21 From JLC to All panelists : So sorry Roshi! My connect failed! 10:35:25 From Wendy : Such deep insight that we can carry the stress of each encounter. Important to acknowledge it. 10:35:42 From Wendy : Thank you A! 10:35:46 From BZ to All panelists : Thank you A 10:36:11 From AF to All panelists : feel the feelings! thanks A 10:36:19 From k : Thank you A, I would love to hear more about how you were able to do this with the hospice/home health aides. I work in hospice too and am so concerned for our aides 10:36:52 From IO to All panelists : thats Why WE have to change the metaphore instead combate and waRrs / compasion in action? 10:37:01 From AC: Sometimes, you can’t avoid being exhausted. Between last Friday and Saturday, we had seven deaths of patients in our palliative care team. We work at a tertiary hospital, not in a hospice. Everybody in the team became tired and sad. We supported and cared each other, but sometimes we have only to accept and embrace exhaustion and emotional overload. 10:37:35 From BZ to All panelists : yes 10:37:36 From JC to All panelists : someone recently recommended a meditation practice specifically to focus on relaxation. this has helped me rest and let go of some of the exhaustion after years of racing to do this and that... how I was trained as a physician 10:37:40 From TH to All panelists : so difficult to fully end so much of the time in this chaos 10:37:57 From JD : Pausing is so important. Just stop and take a breath. Yes, on the perfection! haha 10:38:13 From Wendy : It takes a discipline that can be learned, to finish the encounter 10:38:39 From CPES : Me paro, siento la respiración, conecto con la emoción, agradezco, y reconozco cual es mi misión.Siento que estoy para acompañar.Siento el amor por el regalo de la vida y asumo la responsabilidad de mis elecciones.Mis sentidos reconocen aquello que me genera bienestar. Dar Amor en el acompañamiento siento que aporta calma al otro y a uno mismo. 10:39:34 From EB to All panelists : How do we incorporate/acknowledge/accept feelings of failure compassionately as we “Engage/End” 10:39:39 From JD : In Memory Care, I notice the residents respond to my emotions although I don’t always even notice how I am feeling. 10:39:41 From SA : As a mental health clinician, "choice points" are so important to be aware of in the moment 10:39:51 From tc to All panelists : Thank you Tony!! 10:39:52 From mf to All panelists : trabajo con niños en final de vida . y esto cobra aun mayor importancia. 10:39:53 From Wendy : How can be of service in this encounter with this amount of time that I actually have? 10:39:56 From B to All panelists : yes how to sort through the threads 10:40:18 From JD : Failure=perfectionism?? 10:40:30 From A to All panelists : As clinicians, learning to feel comfortable asking for help, or letting another know you are struggling. 10:40:54 From tc to All panelists : I do think we can co-regulate in relationship. 10:40:55 From B to All panelists : Everything offered, no matter how small, can be a blessing. 10:41:03 From DZ to All panelists : In yoga asana practice, my teaches have offered a practice of leaving all the imperfections/ self-critique/ pride with the pose and begin the next pose fresh and uniquely engage it. I find this asana practice has helped engage other parts of my life with the practice of letting go and moving into each engagement with a fresh start. 10:41:07 From NB to All panelists : as a mental health worker I find it helpful to pause before starting a conversation with my clients and ask inwardly “what is the essence of what this person needs from me today? and I tend to receive wise guidance that helps me move forward not trying to do too much at a time. 10:41:16 From Tony Back : D, nice illustration! 10:41:27 From CC to All panelists : Failure. What a word! So tough for me. 10:41:33 From Tony Back : J, the perfectionism does set us up… 10:41:35 From LP : When I'm present, and not on autopilot, I'm much more able to feel grateful for tiny moments, true connection with my patients, and that nourishes me and gets me to the next little oasis. 10:41:41 From M : how do we handle the training of med-school where we are taught to be the best, not to have failures ando not to be carried away by emotions? How we handle this coming up frustration? 10:41:50 From Tony Back : C, yes we are trying to relanguage... 10:41:52 From CR to All panelists : hi Tony, I am a teacher and I would say that sometimes we do not have 20 minutes, we have 2 or 3 minutes to gather ourselves, take a deep breath and move to the next crisis! (Thank you by the way for all of this. I am not a clinician so I have been silent but I have signed up my daughter who is a medicine resident for this program) 10:42:00 From D : About endings. I’m a mental health professional. At the end of each hour with one suffering being, I ring a bell of mindfulness to “clear the room” for the next person to arrive. 10:42:11 From Tony Back : C yes, i meant 20 min with a patient, sorry for being unclear. 10:42:13 From cv to All panelists : yes I agree,sometimes I want to change reality 10:42:13 From kDH to All panelists : Participation in the Great Work vs. Perfectionism 10:42:34 From CR to All panelists : Ok, Sorry Tony, I may not have listened well :) 10:42:39 From Tony Back : So C, yes in 2-3 min you can ground yourself to be of service… 10:42:42 From T : ...so Cynda, the importance of skillful speach 10:42:43 From Wendy : We mix up perfection with excellence! 10:42:51 From JD : love the bell idea 10:42:53 From DL : Due to being an RN and not an MD, I have always had to leave "things undone" due to the need for MD input. This has lead to feelings of a job not completed. Thank you for addressing these feelings and the curse of perfectionism. 10:43:16 From VJ to All panelists : shame is complicated 10:43:36 From SA : It all depends on the context vis a vis vulnerabilty 10:43:43 From MM : thank you Tony 10:43:45 From SA : space needs to be safe for that 10:43:52 From RH to All panelists : Well said Tony ! 10:44:21 From PP : there is vulnerability, and there is also oversharing depending on the situation and who with 10:44:22 From KB to All panelists : Thank you Tony!! There¨is a great confusion about this npoint 10:44:26 From fm to All panelists : tony! that was unbelievable insight 10:44:27 From MDB : When I have regrets about something I wish I would have done differently. I am starting to write down the questions, responses etc I wish I had said/done. My intention is to deepen embodiment of my own wisdom/learning. 10:44:30 From Wendy : Great point, Tony! 10:44:32 From A to All panelists : vulnerability with self support 10:44:35 From RF to All panelists : Oh, thanks, thanks and more thanks. 10:44:38 From ar : Thank you, compassion and self-care to be more useful to the patients that we help to get ahead. 10:44:41 From Wendy : Not just soft front and keep digging away. It’s strong back too! 10:44:56 From HG : no Tony, 10:44:56 From BZ to All panelists : yes 10:44:59 From Tony Back : What Cynda notes is another really good view on vulnerability 10:45:10 From lk to All panelists : Tony, so appreciate ALL your sharing� 10:45:10 From fm : we live in a culture of ‘fail harder’ to succeed. but what if you don’t have padding for soft landing when you fall? 10:45:12 From RB to All panelists : FIERCE COMPASSION 10:45:27 From T : yes...the heroic narrative just sets us all up to fail 10:45:28 From HG : ! i Talk too much! not! very useful for me 10:45:33 From A to All panelists : Fantastic point about vulnerability, thank you. It takes preparation and thoughtfulness. I really appreciate this perspective Tony. 10:45:35 From JD : how to offer kindness for ourselves...YES! 10:45:37 From Tony Back : H :) 10:45:39 From B to All panelists : yes! mindful self compassion 10:45:44 From SA : Yes, Cynda, I love the "what would you tell a friend question" and use in psychotherapy 10:45:47 From tb to All panelists : One of Paramahansa Yogananda’s monastics once told me, “Even Jesus couldn’t save everyone.” 10:45:55 From NM to All panelists : thanks Tony, first we need to build the strong back then have the soft front,is that what you meant ? 10:45:55 From pb to All panelists : My anger is a way of suffer now.- Good view! Thanks 10:46:04 From Tony Back : N, yes exactly 10:46:04 From fm : so so good. about vulnerability within the context of holding space for our consciousness 10:46:07 From EC to All panelists : One needs to be very careful who they are vulnerable with. In this clinical environment others can really be offensive 10:46:38 From BZ to All panelists : uke 10:46:50 From RB to All panelists : Talking about the fierceness of self compassion can be easier than thinking about compassion as tender and soft 10:46:51 From jc to All panelists : thank you cynda your words bring clarity 10:46:57 From fm : beautiful 10:47:07 From KL : Vulnerability is not the same as self-blame or criticism, it is being open to self- examination. I see this confusion often in my MH practice. 10:47:12 From Tony Back : K, so true 10:47:17 From MAT to All panelists : "caer con estilo" 10:47:18 From LP : We talk a lot in our work about the importance of healthy boundaries, and are trained to have firm ones and also to just endure and endure (not the same as resilience, I've learned) but then I think we don't have a way to talk about the intense feelings our work brings - in particular LOVE. It's weird to say you love your patients, and that's certainly not a quality measure. 10:47:22 From Tony Back : E, that is absolutely true 10:47:32 From lv : I love that! Learning how to fall but in a way that is padded 10:47:36 From lv : Thanks Tony! 10:47:52 From Tony Back : L, yes that love is important, and not weird—but our culture has made love into this romantic thing… 10:48:04 From CPES : Es importante reconocer la vulnerabilidad, pero tb es importante contar con recursos para volver a nuestro centro, de esa forma acogeremos la vulnerabilidad con Amor. 10:48:06 From Tony Back : Hello L, nice to see you here! 10:48:14 From PS : L, thank you for this! Resonates a lot 10:48:45 From CS to All panelists : yes, the heroic/war metaphor is not only unhealthy, it's really UNTRUE in terms of the virus; I try to say, befriending this virus while maintaining our survival and humanity, is my/our goal. Killing it may not be an option.And yet, others see my attitude as overly pessimistic... 10:48:49 From Wendy : What has been your experience of the consequences of self-protective strategies? 10:48:50 From Tony Back : “What has been your experience of the consequences of self- protective strategies?” 10:48:53 From s to All panelists : exhaustion 10:48:55 From kDH to All panelists : Alienation from self & others 10:48:59 From Tony Back : Suzy, thanks 10:49:02 From Tony Back : K, yes 10:49:02 From KS to All panelists : Isolation 10:49:03 From S : Lack of connection 10:49:04 From RS : Consequence: 10:49:04 From CS to All panelists : relief 10:49:05 From B to All panelists : being shut off from my clients 10:49:06 From RB to All panelists : relief for a bit then less connected 10:49:08 From k : Loneliness 10:49:09 From SG : being unavaible emotionally 10:49:10 From 05SP : loneliness 10:49:10 From ND : I had an emotional breakdown shortly after got shingles think it was connected 10:49:10 From SH to All panelists : Isolation 10:49:13 From AW to All panelists : A self of separation 10:49:14 From JC to All panelists : emotional numbness, short fuse 10:49:14 From MDB : Disconnection from my heart and the heart of the other. 10:49:15 From KK : inhibition of feelings and disengagement 10:49:16 From M : frustration 10:49:17 From RF to All panelists : take care 10:49:17 From V to All panelists : shame 10:49:18 From mf to All panelists : entrega 10:49:18 From CS : Not being kind to others in their distress 10:49:18 From AD to All panelists : build walls and distrust 10:49:18 From Tony Back : N, wow 10:49:19 From EB to All panelists : regret 10:49:19 From JKJ : depression 10:49:19 From sh : disappointing others; freeing myself 10:49:19 From jD to All panelists : depression 10:49:20 From T : i think many self protective strategies go unnoticced 10:49:20 From PS : Alienation from emotions, inability to name them or sense them 10:49:21 From TW to All panelists : increased apathy 10:49:23 From KM to All panelists : I lose myself at the exact moment that I think I'm protecting myself. 10:49:24 From AO to All panelists : shame 10:49:24 From ECB to All panelists : soledad, burnout 10:49:24 From SC to All panelists : Corazón cerrado 10:49:24 From LM to All panelists : Feeling judged by others 10:49:25 From u to All panelists : aislamiento, separacion 10:49:25 From D : numbness 10:49:25 From NM to All panelists : resentment 10:49:26 From mar to All panelists : burnout 10:49:26 From CW to All panelists : not in contact 10:49:26 From c to All panelists : lack of compassion 10:49:26 From DZ to All panelists : causing harm 10:49:27 From NCL : Broken relationships 10:49:27 From KP : Long-term sickness absence from work 10:49:28 From SAL to All panelists : fear 10:49:29 From KC to All panelists : thoughts of changing careers to something easier 10:49:29 From CJ to All panelists : Doing less than I know I am capable of 10:49:29 From RS : feeling guilty 10:49:30 From EL : Trouble relating because I lose myself 10:49:30 From am to All panelists : culpa 10:49:30 From MM to All panelists : Unskillful decisions 10:49:31 From lv : Anger towards the world! 10:49:31 From KS to All panelists : Far far away 10:49:31 From AS to All panelists : close to the edge of wanting to quit 10:49:31 From S to All panelists : mixed-sometimes they do serve apurpose 10:49:32 From SR : Ineffectiveness 10:49:32 From E to All panelists : cut self off from learning another way 10:49:32 From B to All panelists : burn out 10:49:32 From ES : wanting to quit 10:49:32 From ar : my experience is that they have allowed me to keep going 10:49:33 From mr to All panelists : Numbness and disassociation 10:49:33 From JS to All panelists : feas 10:49:33 From LP : Getting in trouble for being behind on charts because I took time to sleep/exercise. 10:49:34 From AC: improving 10:49:34 From tb to All panelists : It limits my ability to see what might beset serve 10:49:34 From lg : victimhood 10:49:34 From MR to All panelists : desconexão 10:49:34 From FB to All panelists : guilt 10:49:36 From A to All panelists : Guilt and depression 10:49:37 From 8SGM to All panelists : loss of energy 10:49:38 From D : rejection 10:49:38 From AM to All panelists : sentirme anestesiada 10:49:40 From kD : Feeling very numb 10:49:41 From MM : hopelessness 10:49:41 From TH to All panelists : guilt 10:49:41 From BMP : Tristeza 10:49:42 From GM to All panelists : more in contact with other's people suffering 10:49:42 From AC: recharge 10:49:43 From A to All panelists : I feel isolated and like others don't know who I am. And like I don't fully know myself, distant from who I truly am 10:49:44 From DA to All panelists : lessening of caring 10:49:44 From PS : High blood pressure 10:49:45 From JS to All panelists : fear 10:49:50 From CS to All panelists : closing off from the joy nearby that's ALSO true and real, along with the tragedy 10:49:50 From ms : Feeling inadequate 10:49:52 From ECB to All panelists : sufrimiento existencial 10:49:54 From NCL : Sense of futility 10:49:54 From MM to All panelists : agotamiento 10:49:56 From V to All panelists : aislamiento 10:49:57 From BVE to All panelists : loneliness 10:49:58 From N to All panelists : disociacion 10:49:58 From PP : being misunderstood and isolated 10:49:58 From MM : existential dread 10:49:59 From IK to All panelists : TRIZTEZA 10:50:00 From ea : Unable to be still…doing doing…when stop, sadness 10:50:00 From n : judgmentalness 10:50:03 From LP : Decreased satisfaction from (and utility to others in) my interactions 10:50:04 From u to All panelists : atrapado 10:50:04 From EH : Reactions by some that self protection is self indulgence. 10:50:05 From MN to All panelists : cry easily & drained 10:50:05 From JC to All panelists : despair 10:50:06 From K to All panelists : less human 10:50:08 From LP : isolation 10:50:09 From ES : resentment of every new patient. 10:50:10 From RB to All panelists : having to choose self care or others 10:50:11 From R to All panelists : Energised 10:50:11 From JD to All panelists : separation from others 10:50:14 From C : soledad 10:50:14 From rcr to All panelists : insatisfacción profunda 10:50:16 From EFG to All panelists : isolated. 10:50:20 From V to All panelists : evitación 10:50:23 From DR to All panelists : Disconnection, limited view, injury - then insight, reconnection 10:50:23 From KB : Detached, cut off, complete exhaustion 10:50:24 From fm : schwartz Center rounds 10:50:28 From HR : old habits interfering with current capacity - exhaustion, isolation 10:50:28 From AC to All panelists : Incoherencia 10:50:29 From EB to All panelists : feeling disconnected from my team and patients 10:50:29 From df : I feel more connected to other departments when I let them see me as human. I can be hungry and need a break. It’s new to share this in the trauma bay in the middle of 5 traumas. 10:50:31 From HG : it lead me to question why I am giving so much power to being accepted...I started to respond not react 10:50:31 From BZ to All panelists : Gaslighting other team members 10:50:34 From T : ES...yes....how sad 10:50:35 From DA to All panelists : Also allows to continue in the moment 10:50:37 From B : seen by some others as being a problem 10:50:38 From V to All panelists : culpa. vergüenza 10:50:42 From Tony Back : ugh, gaslighting, yes 10:50:47 From JC to All panelists : shame, I used to say to myself... I am not strong enough or good enough.. 10:50:55 From BMP : Angustia, intranquilidad 10:50:55 From pg : more isolation 10:50:56 From Tony Back : H, what a profound question 10:50:59 From M to All panelists : La administración no cuida a su personal 10:51:00 From j : Work ethic questioned 10:51:09 From JD to All panelists : lack of sleep...insomnia 10:51:09 From MM : felling disconnected 10:51:10 From RS : self loathing 10:51:14 From Tony Back : J, yes i have done that too, turned against myself with shame 10:51:16 From ST : Being seen as uncooperative 10:51:18 From CC to All panelists : The space to name what is true feels comprised. 10:51:20 From KK : I came across this quote this week and it stopped me in my tracks. “Feeling the need to be busy all of the time is a trauma response and fear-based from what you’d be forced to acknowledge and feel if you slowed down.” It knocked me off my feet 10:51:20 From M to All panelists : feel empty 10:51:21 From IS to All panelists : i self reject myself and turn on myself 10:51:28 From KP : Other people just not giving any sense of valuing what you do 10:51:29 From K to All panelists : it's challenging to make the patient phone calls - takes effort with some dread 10:51:37 From NCL : being seen as “high maintenance.” 10:51:39 From cv to All panelists : I agree with you there isnt many places to express this vulnarability 10:51:41 From Tony Back : K, yikes, that is really true... 10:51:41 From JO to All panelists : just telling my staff “ I don’t know.” 10:51:46 From ea : Thank you K, exactl 10:51:47 From HG : i recognize patterns in fight or flight...neither works for me... 10:51:49 From T to All panelists : I’m learning not to cut off in such situations. I do stress that’s an ongoing dance, but it seems much more effective. 10:51:50 From Tony Back : NC, yes 10:51:54 From KP : And people only ever speaking to you about what you haven’t done, rather than what you have 10:51:58 From PB : not seeing the sense of what I do anymore. 10:52:04 From B to All panelists : feeling ineffective 10:52:07 From K to All panelists : second arrow... 10:52:14 From AB to All panelists : i think that to take care your own life is important because if you are healthy and alive you may help others, so avoid to feel guilty because you take care your own health and rest enough is you will be more aware and wise to take care others ( i am from mexico) 10:52:20 From KK : yes. Spot.On. 10:52:21 From Wendy : Filling all the spaces in order to not feel. 10:52:22 From RB to All panelists : that's the hero metaphor again 10:52:22 From NCL : Yes busyness as a badge 10:52:23 From A to All panelists : Tired of being the “Angel ” of palliative care 10:52:25 From JD to All panelists : obsessive mind...in busyness I have a little relief 10:52:25 From AR to All panelists : es muy delicado porque no solo el profesional se encierra, el paciente también lo demanda, resulta fundamental compartir la humanidad pero es un camino que recién se está iniciando 10:52:27 From MM : kneeling at the alter of productivity 10:52:32 From IA : Compartmentatlization parts of our True Beingness. 10:52:38 From S to All panelists : so what is really effective, then? 10:52:39 From SA : busyness is a form of violence 10:52:40 From fm : I love that tony: you’re awesome!!!! 10:52:41 From T to All panelists : And pulling ourselves up by our boot straps 10:52:42 From NB to All panelists : busy =heart killing 10:52:46 From SG : it is a form of othering 10:53:00 From MM : place drama in the situation 10:53:06 From Tony Back : M, yes we genuflect at that altar... 10:53:19 From NP to All panelists : it is remarkable how little people are talking about how vital it is to make contact with others- to share your feelings, you grief, “grief is individual work we do with community”- also we need to share our sadness, overwhelm with others. It is ok to be vulnerable, we need each other 10:53:28 From Wendy : The hero thing really bothers my emergency physician colleagues. The clapping in the beginning of the pandemic! 10:53:40 From VJ to All panelists : adrenaline addiction ...can be recovered from, moment by moment, by acknowledging that our fields applaud us for overdoing. 10:53:47 From Tony Back : Natalie, yes…it is tough though when you are with a bunch of unregulated colleagues... 10:53:53 From S : can arouse a PTSD response 10:53:59 From Tony Back : V, it *is* a kind of addiction… 10:54:07 From L : Self care lead me to step out of institutional based medicine, and to create a location for caregivers to heal. 10:54:09 From T to All panelists : Sorry, that read wrong. I meant the cut-off from our emotional experience by pulling ourselves up by our boot straps. 10:54:27 From Tony Back : T, no worries, thanks for adding that 10:54:32 From M to All panelists : It’s difficult when a colleague or I do speak the truth, the work culture is one where the person is vilified or cut off from the group. Having one or two people you can safely speak the truth with has saved my heart and soul. 10:54:42 From KT : self-protection also protects the dysfunction of the system, and i feel like the investment i make in stepping outside of my comfort zone into pain can be an act of resistance, a first step toward transformation 10:54:49 From jD to All panelists : recently someone quoted Br D to me: the antidote to exhaustion is not rest ; it is whole hearted ness. feed back on this is welcomed. 10:54:49 From s to All panelists : To note and “To name” 10:54:55 From SA : what is "good enough?" Can it encompass even human mistakes? 10:54:56 From SG : then there is the grief 10:55:05 From Tony Back : Jayne, i love that Brother D idea... 10:55:06 From A to All panelists : yes K! 10:55:21 From JD to All panelists : we cannot control the outcome to our specifications 10:55:34 From Tony Back : K, so right to connect our self-protection to system dysfunction 10:55:35 From sw to All panelists : check in with my intention 10:55:42 From Wendy : Why am I here, how can I serve, what part of this can I contribute to? 10:55:43 From KK : Beautiful, K. 10:55:54 From S to All panelists : lovely 10:55:56 From Wendy : Who do we want to be right now? 10:55:57 From AW to All panelists : Return to helping, fixing, serving model. 10:56:03 From JD to All panelists : what really matters? What do we want to be right now? 10:56:07 From SA : Remember intention 10:56:14 From Tony Back : A, yes—invoke Rachel Remen! 10:56:14 From NCL : Cynda what you said resonates- reminds me of the Serenity Prayer 10:56:45 From RB to All panelists : love that 10:56:47 From Wendy : Naming without shaming 10:56:58 From AB to All panelists : thank you for this sharing 10:57:02 From s to All panelists : Just listen (selfcompassion) You and the other 10:57:05 From M to All panelists : me tengo que retirar, mil gracias y saludos a todos. Excelente encuentro y muy productivo! 10:57:05 From EC to All panelists : Many facilities are not that supportive and encouraging 10:57:52 From Tony Back : E yes…i will ask Cynda... 10:57:54 From CC to All panelists : I return over and over to the words of Goldie Hawn, don’t kid yourself. At least name it to yourself. 10:57:56 From kDH to All panelists : detaching from outcomes, affirming presence? 10:58:01 From cv to All panelists : wonderful advice 10:58:01 From RB to All panelists : to be seen and heard , matters so much, good point 10:59:10 From HG : very good question...toxic environments...find my tribe. brilliant 10:59:15 From LP : And yes how do we advocate for healthcare systems that aren't wounding us as we go along in our daily work? That doesn't value effort or energy or connection, only outcomes. 10:59:19 From BZ to All panelists : Very wise Cynda 10:59:29 From EC to All panelists : Thank you 10:59:38 From KK : Yes, L. 10:59:55 From pb to All panelists : Find your tribe. True. There is an exit 11:00:03 From S to All panelists : Cynda, Is it ok to ask how to best deal with COVID challenges Also in non work environments like in Family matters- 80 something old parent, with many underlying health matters, does not really want to limit interaction w/ family and friends who are at higher risk for being exposed to COVId?? 11:00:04 From NM to All panelists : Right on L 11:00:05 From fm : I remember a time when we came on Monday as a pall team and met a very sick patients family, they close comfort care. Intensivists were angry with us, because they felt like they ‘wasted’ their time on the weekend. and I said: but it’s what you did that provided them time to get here.... 11:00:50 From fm : holding space for each other ‘other clinicians’ so so important 11:00:52 From Wendy : Cultivating our tribe, our community of support is a deliberate process. 11:00:56 From BZ to All panelists : Yes Roshi! transsystemic 11:01:00 From DL : great response F 11:01:00 From CC to All panelists : The Upaya community was life-changing for me. Making the pilgrimage to Upaya for Sesshin has helped me to be nourished in a crazy time. And that trip as not always been easy but it is essential for me. 11:01:02 From lk to All panelists : could you address those not in your community who do not understand your Dharma path? 11:01:02 From Tony Back : F, yes—those intensivists are suffering... 11:01:41 From JLC to All panelists : Community….so vital to this all 11:02:10 From LP : SO many of my colleagues (providers) RESENT the implication that they are "deficient" in resilience. But if we stay angry at the system and refuse to attend to what we CAN control, we lose energy and internalize their messages of inadequacy. Planning to set up a buddy peer support system at my clinic, thank you. 11:02:18 From A to All panelists : Great idea. Resilience buddy 11:02:29 From Tony Back : L, SO true… 11:02:52 From jD to All panelists : it seems we so long for our structural institutions to be so called ensouled. thank for the reminder that we may need to to outside of our toxic institutions that have a different precedent. perhaps our growing presence of ‘soul, can begin to impact our work cultures. 11:02:54 From Wendy : L, a buddy support system sounds great 11:03:00 From AM to All panelists : Qué bellas reflexiones... 11:03:35 From SA : Eileen Russell's book "Restoring Resilience" is a resource for the mental health professionals in this regard 11:03:50 From VJ to All panelists : 12 step support - lots of it - allows me to give from a full cup 11:04:38 From AD to All panelists : ritual make invisible more visible 11:04:39 From Tony Back : The value of community, relationship in how we work in facing suffering 11:04:43 From Tony Back : The role of ritual 11:04:49 From k : I am feeling very grateful for this group and the ideas 11:05:02 From IA : Ritual aligns us in Truth 11:05:06 From MM : I'm still thinking about "heroing;" ourselves and others. It is a subtle way separation. In terms of grocery workers, and those in the lowest paid/lowest resources positions, it is a very hollow support. What they need is liveable wages, healthcare, etc. 11:05:09 From s : ritual brings pause to the noise of life 11:05:18 From SG : I have food rituals 11:05:22 From AW to All panelists : Ritual creates a container 11:05:23 From KP to All panelists : I have a group of friends we meed every week or so for dinner, at a safe distance. Part ritual part community 11:05:38 From N to All panelists : ritual make concrete what you envision 11:05:41 From kDH to All panelists : Drop in restorative circles that round with clinicians…short, but effective 2x week with hospice team members….end with a blessing/poem. 11:05:41 From K to All panelists : ritual helps me M time 11:05:42 From BZ : Its my catholic upbringing…and you’re all helping me work through it. It felt good (: 11:05:43 From ea : Agree M, thank you 11:05:46 From JT to All panelists : invoking the talking stick if with a group 11:05:46 From JKJ : Grounding. 11:05:47 From KM to All panelists : Each time I go in to see a client, I place my hand over my heart like door, and I open the door... I open my hand and my heart. Just a little sensory experience that helps. 11:05:48 From Wendy : Most of us clinicians are not naturally big on ritual but can be so powerful! 11:05:49 From MSM to All panelists : The ritual aliens 11:05:53 From PS : Ritual is a way of remembering you are not alone 11:05:54 From fm : I started a Facebook group for ‘physicians living intentionally’ it created 500 plus interest. I write a short meditative intention blog. people are sharing their moments of quiet as well as their Covid losses 11:05:55 From JMR to All panelists : A conectarnos con mi ser y el ser de otros 11:05:57 From SAL to All panelists : GRACE as ritual 11:05:58 From TE : Connects me with the transpersonal 11:06:00 From V to All panelists : Embodies the unseen 11:06:08 From JR to All panelists : it habituates spaciousness 11:06:09 From CJ to All panelists : our ritual is Tea for the Soul for ICU staff. formed great relationships. safe place where RNs talk to chaplain 11:06:12 From CW to All panelists : Ritual marks a binding factor 11:06:12 From KS : I’m a therapist in private practice. A group of therapists get together once a month to reduce isolation and create balance. 11:06:13 From EC to All panelists : Helps give me meaning and go deeper 11:06:15 From L : Ritual reminds me to hold space. 11:06:16 From fm : Monday- Friday journaling with a community 11:06:25 From HG : hokey is a cultural setting...North AmE is very cynical 11:06:27 From KB to All panelists : Los rituales que hacen sentido para ti, sacralizan lo cotidiano 11:06:28 From l to All panelists : the ritual expand life moments 11:06:30 From EO : Ritual each day of leaving my office/hospital… focusing on at least one thing I am grateful for. Taking a longer walk to my car to have more time outside 11:06:31 From TH to All panelists : ritual advances our own narrative 11:06:32 From AW to All panelists : Showing up at the Upaya zendo every morning 11:06:32 From CC to All panelists : When we had my nephews with us this summer we had dinner together every night. It was so powerful for me and think it may be it was important to them. 11:06:35 From SR to All panelists : Curious about how to create “tribe” in workplaces and communities when diverse social identities increase mistrust... 11:06:36 From LP : I get the most out of rituals that come up organically, rather than ones I “choose” in a perfect world. An example right now has become my shower at the end of the rounding day, which I initially resented bc it disrupted my old rituals 11:06:38 From tc to All panelists : Also grounds and connects me to the world, ancestry, and the moment. 11:06:38 From RB to All panelists : I realize I have different communities for different reasons 11:06:39 From Tony Back : these are beautiful 11:06:42 From R to All panelists : Meditation, is a ritual to join others 11:06:42 From FB to All panelists : ritual makes me confortable, it´s cozy 11:06:50 From Tony Back : L good point about organically letting them find you 11:06:53 From GS : Ritual connects us to space beyond time and place. It connects us to entire universe 11:06:56 From SA : I have a weekly meditation sangha comprised of fellow mental health clinicians 11:06:57 From AO to All panelists : rituals as anchors 11:07:04 From MD to All panelists : Where do I find this outside of my colleagues (too much of them) and it’s not my non-healthcare friends/family who can’t hear all the tragedy? 11:07:05 From JR to All panelists : Ritual can also create a boundary for the transitions of the day 11:07:05 From MM : re: rituals. We are doing rituals all the time, whether conscious or unconscious. chosen or unchosen (ritual of a cup of coffee, wine at the end of day, etc.). Maybe instead of ritual or no ritual it should be which rituals are we choosing? 11:07:05 From SA : Now being hosted by me on Zoom 11:07:15 From Tony Back : Grace that is a great way of sorting out the rituals that can really stick, create new patterns... 11:07:15 From RB to All panelists : gratitude 11:07:16 From fm : we talk about working on our NET PEACE what we do to 11:07:17 From lg : during the pandemic, our palliative team is not having in person morning rounds. I have realized that this too has been a ritual for me: to begin the day with my peers/friends. I miss it terribly. This day has made me identify that. 11:07:19 From AC: Ritual connects you with yourself and with sacred 11:07:22 From rcr to All panelists : El humor como actitud terapéutica 11:07:23 From AM to All panelists : ritual is the time to discern and find meaning 11:07:24 From ND : I created an embodied ritual to work with loss on the floor as I sit down in the chair to chart. I acknowledge and work with loss and also use mini-tonglen. I do this in between each encounter and always following deaths. 11:07:27 From tc to All panelists : Ritual sets my intention 11:07:31 From Tony Back : M, yes you are right…we’re enacting ritual all the time 11:07:35 From GSG to All panelists : As a psychotherapist, I am finding this sharing very very helful in understanding what medical personnel are experiencing. I'm not sure if this is the place to say this --- there are a few organizations that are offering free or low-cost short term therapy for medical personnel and other people required to work during the pandemic 11:07:37 From DA to All panelists : personal ritual includes prayer and Sabbath practices- reminds me that my life is bigger than my work situation. 11:07:42 From KP : Every time I arrive at our hospice I circle the garden first before walking in. I stop and pause at anything new. I pause a while before returning to my car to drive home too. And I pause and breathe for just a moment at any closed door. 11:07:43 From DZ to All panelists : the rituals that are in my body make me more present to others and kinder. 11:07:43 From Tony Back : N, beautiful 11:07:51 From SD to All panelists : Sharing dinner with my husband 11:07:53 From Tony Back : K, yes that garden walk... 11:07:57 From L : The ritual of a hug, handshake, kiss goodbye... some of the deep lonliness of COVID is not being able to have those simple yet essential rituals of connection. 11:08:00 From jg : I sit in my car in meditation for 15 minutes before and after each shift and send met to self and all those I work with 11:08:02 From KT : Staff make PPE for each other - masks and headcoverings - to wear in the unit and out in the world.It has changed a mind of competitiveness and ‘not enough” to tangible offerings to each other. Nurses, unit secretaries, MDs. 11:08:02 From D to All panelists : In ritual, I come to see, experience things outside of ritual differently. 11:08:08 From MM to All panelists : Sitting in meditation at the beginning of the day is a sustainable ritual for me. 11:08:09 From Tony Back : jg, wow that is great 11:08:14 From SG : sweet 11:08:19 From DA to All panelists : we are bringing reflections to begin meetings. 11:08:20 From EO : Our Palliative Care team takes time once a week to read the names of those we have cared for who have died within the week. We take a moment of silence to honor them and their family members 11:08:21 From Wendy : Beautiful K 11:08:27 From s to All panelists : talvez possamos programar pausas como “ritual” para respirar e se autoconectar 11:08:31 From Tony Back : L, those ways of physically connecting through touch…so powerful… 11:08:33 From ar : realize mistakes accept them to be more compassionate 11:08:36 From ME : In our team we have found that have a ritual help us to deal with the weight of the difficult situation that we effort every day. 11:08:43 From Wendy : Great, E. 11:08:47 From AW to All panelists : Acknowledge the rituals we each already have in place and honor them. Morning coffee making 11:08:52 From CC to All panelists : I am in the process of moving to a new office. If left up to my own devices I would have hired a mover. What I have found in this ritual is a rite of passage. It has been a powerful 15. Years. I have created a lot in the office. Loved a lot. Cried a bit. Breakdown and breakthroughs. I have the pause card on my name tag. 11:08:54 From lg : When I take my mask off at the end of the day, I pause to end my day at work. This is a new ritual for me during this time. 11:08:54 From MM : every morning before I get out of the door to work, I read a prayer and that get me the sence I'm opening my day for the good 11:09:00 From A to All panelists : we take one hour a week to discuss how we are doing 11:09:07 From df : The code pause has been very worthwhile for the medical staff. They sometimes cry. 11:09:12 From Tony Back : K, i love turning PPE into a ritual—imagine if that was a way we show support and love to our colleagues? 11:09:14 From Wendy : M, yes, prayer can be such a beautiful ritual 11:09:23 From MM : how do we attend to transitions 11:09:25 From SG : makes me cry to hear about it 11:09:27 From Tony Back : L, that mask removal…powerful 11:09:36 From KB to All panelists : Redimensionar el valor de la vida 11:09:39 From B to All panelists : I take my badge off. at the end of the day and acknowledge the transition to being away from work 11:09:51 From fm : in an ethics conference we talked about the ‘ritual of CPR’ how family think they need to have that as a form of closure. how can we replace the ritual of CPR 11:09:52 From BZ : This reminds me of the cultural discomfort with death and the mirroring of the in our medical practice 11:09:56 From Tony Back : B, i use that one too, put the badge on the table by the door 11:10:06 From JD : walking through the threshold of the building as a ritual of releasing in leaving 11:10:11 From lk to All panelists : regarding community, what about those not accepting of our practices? 11:10:15 From RH to All panelists : yes thank you Cynda 11:10:25 From Tony Back : F, yes we have inadvertently allowed CPR to assume the place of ritual—in the absence of anything intentional 11:10:33 From NCL : Re: ritual - connection and need for community during the pandemic: I and some of my physician colleagues with additional training in mindfulness, yoga, and coaching set up the Mindful Healthcare Collective and we’ve been offering free live Zoom sessions 1-3 x a week for healthcare professionals and sometimes for the general public. This has been a regular community of support during the pandemic. We have a FB group and website. Gathering weekly sometimes more than weekly has been a comforting ritual for me and participants. 11:10:37 From fm : RITUAL of washing body of loved one by families in Europe 11:10:38 From D : The buddhist ritual of washing the body after death is a sacred pause that has helped me enormously with the death of my loved ones. 11:10:45 From TH to All panelists : the pandemic has upended our rituals of grief and death 11:10:47 From T to All panelists : Beautiful Roshi 11:10:52 From Tony Back : D, yes that washing the body is profound 11:10:54 From DR to All panelists : In our community, we have found it valuable to create safe spaces for clinicians with diverse perspectives to come together - to navigate this pandemic together- recognizing that we may not have answers, but we have each other 11:10:56 From ea : Being present, care, not CPR, holding intention and care as patient passes on, thank you F 11:11:05 From AC to All panelists : Ritual= Respeto a una tradición o costumbre que identifica a un grupo y que marca un principio, un desarrollo y un fin. 11:11:10 From SA : Also, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish washing of the body as well 11:11:13 From Tony Back : Gracias, A 11:11:14 From DL : Many nurses do a pause/silent prayers after a patient dies after the MDs and RTs are gone...this ritual has not been validated as worthy by many practitioners, in my experience. 11:11:17 From L : We have implemented a "say 3 things I am grateful for before getting out of bed" based on the work of L van Dernoot Lipsky since the first of March at our house. It has been a wonderful morning ritual to set the tone for the day. 11:11:20 From Wendy : NC, wow, that’s great. Building community 11:11:30 From Tony Back : S, yes the washing of the body is almost universal, shared by many cultures 11:11:35 From HG to All panelists : yes in washing the body it is a ritual of love and connection to our ancestors... 11:11:38 From BZ : Yes NC! 11:11:41 From DA to All panelists : How would this be used for a longer team debriefing? 11:11:57 From kDH to All panelists : Yes, moral community is formed through stories 11:12:00 From Tony Back : “stories are the integuments of culture” 11:12:16 From 14O to All panelists : Nurstory 11:12:42 From CJ to All panelists : At my Patient’s death always invite their story 11:12:44 From JKJ : I miss the closure of washing the body… with family when they are open to it. 11:12:49 From MM : had to look up the word integument; that is wonderful 11:12:59 From SG : 1001 Nights 11:13:07 From fm : I think being a story teller as a health care provider is ver powerful, I am in the process of putting together a podcast called “write your last chapter” to talk about this to educate everyone 11:13:09 From WC to All panelists : We have a ritual when a patient goes for organ donation, everyone who is available in the institution will come to line the hallway and witness the last journey and honor the gift. People often come in on their days off to participate. 11:13:11 From KK : I have heard from many of my patients over the past months and years of how “the world teaches you how to live…but no one teaches you how to die…” 11:13:18 From CBN to All panelists : family "dynamics" 11:13:19 From mf to All panelists : el lugar donde pongo mi llama y que arda en el fuego 11:13:21 From SA : The stories contain the meaning 11:13:27 From MM : yes stories distilled to memes 11:13:49 From fm : revisiting and retelling the narrative 11:14:11 From fm : so important. death is NOT failure 11:14:19 From JC to All panelists : stories of fierce love 11:14:21 From Wendy : what are stories that are not heard so often that we can use to rebalance and reform our social environment? 11:14:35 From B to All panelists : absolutely! 11:14:39 From KB to All panelists : Resignificar las historias 11:14:54 From CJ to All panelists : I hear soo many stories from patients who share beautiful life they lived. 11:14:59 From SG : I love the story of the Ugly Duckling 11:15:00 From AA to All panelists : As clinicians how would you like the media to tell the story of the pandemic for clinicians and patients that would serve and not just sell? 11:15:03 From EH : The universal wish not to suffer...interconnection. 11:15:04 From T to All panelists : What we believe seems be become real for us. Change our story, and our world often changes. Wish I could do it more consistently :) 11:15:10 From SA : Commonality of human experience is a form of story for me--the universal and the personal intersect 11:15:16 From RH to All panelists : Stories also allow us to connect...…. 11:15:17 From Tony Back : T, that’s ok, it takes practice! 11:15:28 From T to All panelists : It really does!!! hahhahahaha 11:15:33 From Tony Back : :) 11:15:35 From MW to All panelists : Tell the stories of families who brought COVID home and it killed their loved ones. Guilt Under-appreciated. 11:15:39 From JKJ : I think that the power of reviewing what gives a patient quality of life and joy is in giving the patient and family another view of their dying outside of suffering 11:15:42 From AD to All panelists : role of coach vs rescuer in karpman drama triangle to empower victim to tell new story of their agency vs victimhood 11:15:42 From CPES : Mi ritual diario es meditar y orar para entrar en conexión con mi Esencia y agradecer, honrar y dignificar la vida. 11:15:42 From lk to All panelists : thank you! 11:15:51 From fm : I sometimes ask the family: how would you feel if your loved one died naturally? universally everyone can accept that 11:15:56 From Tony Back : C, gracias! 11:15:57 From K to All panelists : YES! 11:16:11 From SAL to All panelists : a call from a patient asking me how Imdoing in the midst of this crazy reality, she was not calling for her or her needs, she was just lovingly asking how I was doing 11:16:13 From LP : Why are those stories of the crazy families or crazy colleagues so much more quick to roll off the tongue or addictive than the stories of an inspiring colleague or deep moment? More easy to be flippant? To seem funny? Will try to be more thoughtful about that. 11:16:18 From kDH to All panelists : We had a hospice clinician group that told stories of their work as altruism & spiritual calling rather than the dominant story of productivity from the institution…..so healing for the staff. 11:16:19 From HG to All panelists : uncle M 95 year old and K 12 year old went fishing for halibut. captured a huge halibut.K fell over board. uncle M returned with the halibut. the villagers 900 miles east north east of Montreal kept saying « wonderful thing this » I thought I was going to have to call for mental health medical? 11:16:21 From tc to All panelists : Beautiful, thank you! 11:16:23 From T to All panelists : Well said, Sinda (?) 11:16:24 From KC to All panelists : when my grandmother was in her last years and, at times, in dire danger, writing stories helped me held my grandma. Her doctor said that she had never seen a person in her condition live. writing the story as it was occurring helped give me courage to continue trying to help. 11:16:28 From ND : Palliative care - there is everything/ so much to be done — vs. - nothing less to do 11:16:28 From KL : AA tradition of stories - they all follow the same narrative arc: what it was like, what happened, what it's like now, But the story within the three elements is unique to the person's experience. 11:16:31 From KM to All panelists : Lilo and Stitch... Ohana means family and family means no one gets left behind. we are one world wide family, and no one gets left behind. 11:16:32 From JN to All panelists : takes courage to change the story 11:16:35 From R to All panelists : very important how we see it 11:16:41 From T : all the medical team are 3 dimensional people...not just their roles....w ehave kids, parents, traumas 11:16:43 From 14O to All panelists : Reframing the context of care while maintaining hope, the hope is reframed from cure to a peaceful death, without suffering, with loved ones at the bedside (when possible) 11:16:46 From KM to All panelists : I will not leave you or your memory behind. 11:16:47 From NCL : “The Cookie Thief”; :”Maybe yes, Maybe no” 11:16:50 From KP : Some of the Winnie-the-Pooh stories approach truths with a gentle kindness, and can be lovely to read 11:16:52 From fm : maybe it’s their coping this way 11:16:54 From TH to All panelists : in the nursing home world, the most sustaining narrative for some of us has been around advance care planning conversations at which residents make the decision to avoid aggressive treatment 11:16:56 From HG to All panelists : medivac. they were saying Wonder full as in full of wonder 11:17:05 From ND : family doesn’t listen — perhaps the news is too hard to take in; therefor a form of caring for themselves in not listening 11:17:06 From RH to All panelists : or the absent family member 11:17:09 From MW to All panelists : Tony, they also don't show sometimes because they cannot bear the pain. 11:17:14 From ND : and coping 11:17:15 From Tony Back : ohana…yes 11:17:26 From Tony Back : M, absolutely yes 11:17:29 From T : N...yup 11:17:32 From RF to All panelists : My tradition history, learn not to know. Noy to be ableand to be kind and fair with it. 11:17:38 From l to All panelists : the sound of the heart 11:17:40 From 14O to All panelists : I love the novel, "The Tinker" as one person's story with the last days of life and transitioning from the living world to what comes next. 11:17:45 From RH to All panelists : Story can uplift 11:17:46 From L to All panelists : I am new to all this... What does Ohana mean? Thank you for sharing. 11:17:46 From tc to All panelists : Embodied, story telling. 11:17:48 From Tony Back : R, that’s nice… 11:17:59 From JC to All panelists : The true story: we are never alone 11:18:02 From SA : Living is a story 11:18:07 From Wendy : Meme/caricature vs. a real story Caricature can destroy moral and be degrading. Story can give depth and lend respect to the process 11:18:09 From DA to All panelists : The simple power of giving blessing and being a blessing in others lives through our simple presence 11:18:11 From jD to All panelists : would love to have or rehear comments post conference. just a thought to support as we go forward. appreciating the collection experiences shared here 11:18:12 From GSG to All panelists : seeing all behaviors as self-protective, regardless of how offensive they are, or even damaging, make connection and compassion more possible....our stories, other people's stories - memes, etc. 11:18:22 From lv : Meme is my limited perspective and story is curiosity of another perspective! 11:18:29 From AA to All panelists : 1que presente escuchar vosotros 11:18:30 From D : The power of imagination: There is a beautiful story of transformation of experience told by Norman Fischer in The World Could be Otherwise. 11:18:32 From CJ to All panelists : when charting I will share a piece of pat’s story so staff can see these are people just like us. 11:18:32 From fm : I love these observations so much/ living with intention to show up better in the world 11:18:35 From DZ to All panelists : “a beautiful day for a neighborhood, a beautiful day for a neighbor…” 11:18:35 From MM : meme is static, frozen 11:18:36 From SG : poetry is my palate cleanser, mood alterer 11:18:38 From MM : story is alive 11:18:40 From 14O to All panelists : Another story-"We are here with you, no matter what." "We'll care for your loved one, no matter what." 11:18:43 From df : I almost always ask families to share stories at the bedside of the dying or dead. It normalizes their experience and often changes the feeling in the room from one of confusion to one of love and remembrance. Sometimes they ask me to share, especially about my own personal story. It’s an honor to be able to connect with them at this sacred time. It’s amazing how colorful the stories can be. 11:18:45 From Tony Back : on ohana: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohana 11:19:09 From fm : with aloha from Hawaii. � 11:19:10 From JKJ : Yes D 11:19:35 From AM : thank you for this conversation. As a physician who is now training to serve as chaplain, i realize that this is what I find myself doing, changing the story, adding what is invisible to some to enlarge the humanity of all of us. 11:19:41 From T to All panelists : Amen 11:20:03 From Wendy : Beautiful, D. Story connects our humanness. 11:20:03 From MYW to All panelists : Recognizing each life story as sacred story. Transforming stories of grief and loss with creativity and empathy. 11:20:03 From VJ to All panelists : thank you, Rossi! so helpful! 11:20:09 From Tony Back : AM, yes :) 11:20:13 From cv to All panelists : thank you 11:20:13 From CS to All panelists : once, I was greeted in the ER with a story about a minor pt's mom's exit from the scene, and there was great embellishment and projection about why she did that and where she'd gone, and how I should report her to Child Protective Services,etc. I took it in, and then I proposed "as another hypothesis among many" a new narrative. Hours later, speaking to mom, I learned her narrative and facts, and was able to return to the team with the corrected narrative. Turns out, I'd just guessed her narrative (from my decades of experience) and the team could take in this new narrative because I hadn't hammered them back with their own defenses and harshness....it was gratifying and cementing of our trust together. 11:20:13 From CO to All panelists : muchas muchas gracias �� 11:20:14 From HG : grateful for this incredible conversation 11:20:22 From GM to All panelists : thank you so muche, Roshi, Tony and Cynda! 11:20:23 From KB to All panelists : Thank you so much!! Beautiful! 11:20:23 From BMP : Thank you for all the information 11:20:33 From EC to All panelists : Empowering to not feel alone in this process 11:20:34 From Tony Back : C, thank you for that honesty… 11:20:35 From AA to All panelists : em brazil 15:20 11:20:36 From SA : Feeling part of this "tribe" 11:20:36 From T to All panelists : You all were a great gift. Wonderful morning. 11:20:37 From mar to All panelists : SPAIN, 20.20 11:20:37 From lv : Thank you for this wonderful session! 11:20:40 From CP to All panelists : thank you!! 11:20:41 From MFto All panelists : muchas gracias ...de corazón...!!! 11:20:44 From AG to All panelists : Gracias:) 11:20:45 From KB to All panelists : 15.20 pm in Buenos Aires 11:20:45 From AW to All panelists : Thanks tribe! 11:20:46 From BMP : En España 20:20 de la tarde 11:20:46 From MD to All panelists : thank you,very inspiring 11:20:47 From YCF to All panelists : Gracias 11:20:47 From MAT to All panelists : Gracias 11:20:48 From HR to All panelists : Roshi! Please give avirtual distant hug to BDB - my childhood heart dear friend! 11:20:50 From Tony Back : Tapas hour, yes? 11:20:51 From JH to All panelists : En Argentina 15:30pm =) 11:20:51 From A to All panelists : thank you 11:20:52 From GSG : what will you be doing in the last part? 11:20:52 From CPES : Thanks 11:20:56 From WS to All panelists : I have to host Taos Death Cafe so I’ll be missing the second session, but thank you so very much for this mornings session! 11:20:57 From AC to All panelists : En Madrid son las 20:20h 11:20:59 From LM to All panelists : Thank you 11:20:59 From KP : A wonderful session, thank you 11:21:03 From MSM to All panelists : thank you 11:21:12 From Fabio Rodrigues (Brazil) to All panelists : Thank you! 11:21:12 From C : gracias ��� 11:21:13 From Wendy : Enjoy lunch/dinner! 11:21:13 From KG : Thank you also much 11:21:14 From AO to All panelists : thank you so much! 11:21:16 From P to All panelists : Gracias 11:21:36 From Tony Back : The last section will move more deeply into the practice roshi just touched upon and into the ethics of integrity 11:21:40 From V to All panelists : gracias enormes!!!!�� 11:21:56 From KB to All panelists : Podrían enviarme por favor la encuesta para completar? 11:22:11 From pb to All panelists : 13:15 Moral suffering and moral resilience 13:30 Reflection about a challenging time when you were able to act with integrity 13:55 Practice: a moment to notice, touch into image of strong back, soft front 14:05 Review and close 14:30 End 11:22:37 From s : Thank you—this has been deeply moving and healing! 11:24:01 From SP to All panelists : I had a conflict with another ZOOM training that just finished. I am hopeful to receive the recoding for your session (which I actually preferred to attend over my other required training! Thank you!!) 11:24:20 From SP to All panelists : SO sorry to have missed this live. 11:24:51 From ET : It is already late evening in South Africa, thus I shall miss the afternoon session but thank you so very much for the connection I felt through share stories and suggested practice. 11:25:30 From AS to All panelists : Argentina 15:25 11:25:55 From NB to All panelists : much gratitude 11:35:48 From BZ : Some thoughts during the break; Sloterdijk states that stories are the myths that connect us spiritually to our humanity and provide shape and form to the tribe-society-civilization. We weave stories that enhance and strengthen (that beautiful word that Joan used “integument" is appropriate), providing immunity to its members. In a very profound way this COVID virus is a metaphor for all of the unknown monsters that threaten us, and these talks are creating immunological answers for our culture and society. I just can’t help thinking the Upaya and Buddhist practice, as well as other indigenous beliefs and practices are being re assimilated into the delivery of services and supports, and is providing a new (ironically ‘old’) way of dealing with global economic and environmental catastrophes we are experiencing. 11:36:40 From BZ : Thank you for this thought provoking workshop! 11:37:25 From Tony Back : B thank you for your thoughtful observation...i think you are right on that COVID is activating our unknown monsters…. 11:47:29 From K to All panelists : In talking about rituals and another comment…My husband passed away 2 yrs ago from glioblastoma - the ritual of being with him, bathing his body, and all the ways I was drawn to witness his life, death and cremation was profound. My father passed this past March and we have been unable to have a memorial which has been difficult. I’ve done a ritual by myself, as I live in another state from my family, it helped some, but isn’t enough. On another note. I am a Buddhist practitioner and spent from 2012 until my husband was dx’d in 2018 in and out of retreat, deep practice, teaching meditation and classes on Buddhism as well as offering some spiritual mentoring. Since my husband passed I’ve opened a private practice to see clients as I am a LCSW. I have felt that my years of practice, self-reflection, compassion practices, teaching, etc. wasn’t going to help me give my clients what they need. But, in listening to you I see that what you are saying, practicing, training others in is exactly 11:48:15 From K to All panelists : What I offer my clients. This is very validating for me. Thank you. It has been very moving for me to hear from the front line workers and hold them in my heart. 12:04:07 From BZ to All panelists : postscript; I want to add Dance, meditation, poetry, song, art, and chant to that list … (: 12:13:42 From Joan Halifax : Thank you for your important comments, stories, and insights! 12:13:43 From jg to All panelists : This has touched me deeply.Given the nature o 12:14:25 From HG : Bowing Roshi with my gratitude. 12:14:50 From Joan Halifax : The next session in an hour and a half, more or less 12:15:23 From EC to All panelists : I was questioning my self if I want to continue in the work I do. After this program today I am once again impowered to keep on going. Thank Toy 12:15:34 From TF to All panelists : Thank you for the wisdom and your open hearts 12:15:46 From CBN to All panelists : For my fellow Astro Nerds out there - the SpaceX Dragon splashed down safely 12:16:08 From Tony Back : we’ll start in 5! 12:16:14 From Tony Back : yay spaceX! 12:16:22 From Tony Back : E, thank you! 12:16:50 From WR to All panelists : Love space travel when it ends with a splash! 12:17:01 From KM to All panelists : Deep gratitude to Roshi Joan, Cynda, and Tony for your wisdom and generosity of heart. Gratitude and appreciation also to all those helping you to make this work so smoothly. 12:17:09 From am to All panelists : minha infinita gratidão! estou emocionada, acolhida, me sentindo compreendida... é maravilhoso ouvir tudo isso, amanhã , no trabalho com certeza vai ser diferente. 12:17:10 From Tony Back to All panelists : Thank you K! 12:17:17 From Tony Back to All panelists : Thank you Antonella! 12:17:30 From KP to All panelists : Dear Kigaku, quick technical query: Is that a screen shared Powerpoint/Keynote you have with the countdown? It’s very effective in this webinar format - appreciating great work! 12:17:47 From KM to All panelists : Yes!! Yay for B & D being safely home! 12:18:44 From GFdS : One oh the participants wrote a comentary about Sloterdijk, that i lost right now. Could you post again 12:19:12 From jg to All panelists : This has touched me deeply. Given the nature of the crisis, much discussion has turned to end of life care. Im surprised at how much holds true for my line of work, birth. So many of us, I am guessing are working with people in other places their lives but who are working with the fear, anxiety pain, and grieving their lost dreams. 12:19:29 From Tony Back to All panelists : G, see below from B: Some thoughts during the break; Sloterdijk states that stories are the myths that connect us spiritually to our humanity and provide shape and form to the tribe-society-civilization. We weave stories that enhance and strengthen (that beautiful word that Joan used “integument" is appropriate), providing immunity to its members. In a very profound way this COVID virus is a metaphor for all of the unknown monsters that threaten us, and these talks are creating immunological answers for our culture and society. I just can’t help thinking the Upaya and Buddhist practice, as well as other indigenous beliefs and practices are being re assimilated into the delivery of services and supports, and is providing a new (ironically ‘old’) way of dealing with global economic and environmental catastrophes we are experiencing. Thank you for this thought provoking workshop! 12:19:31 From m : De BZ para Todos los panelistas y otros participantes: (3:35 p. m.) Some thoughts during the break; Sloterdijk states that stories are the myths that connect us spiritually to our humanity and provide shape and form to the tribe-society-civilization. We weave stories that enhance and strengthen (that beautiful word that Joan used “integument" is appropriate), providing immunity to its members. In a very profound way this COVID virus is a metaphor for all of the unknown monsters that threaten us, and these talks are creating immunological answers for our culture and society. I just can’t help thinking the Upaya and Buddhist practice, as well as other indigenous beliefs and practices are being re assimilated into the delivery of services and supports, and is providing a new (ironically ‘old’) way of dealing with global economic and environmental catastrophes we are experiencing. Thank you for this thought provoking workshop! 12:19:42 From Tony Back to All panelists : thanks M :) 12:19:59 From GFdS : Thank you so much! 12:21:49 From KLW to All panelists : I would very highly recommend the powerfully written book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief by Francis Weller. With deepest Gratitude, KLW, Boulder, CO 12:22:19 From BZ to All panelists : Yes thank you 12:24:04 From SG : reminds me of Rilke: Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love 12:24:37 From Tony Back : S, wow… 12:24:43 From BZ to All panelists : Yes! 12:25:14 From MS : Tony, what was the name again of the contemporary philosopher that talks about stories and myths? 12:25:31 From Tony Back : M: Sloterdijk 12:25:48 From MS : Thank you 12:25:49 From BZ to All panelists : P Sloterdijk, “Sphere’s” 12:25:51 From Tony Back : I probably mispronounced it 12:25:59 From Tony Back : Thanks B! 12:26:05 From BZ to All panelists : No you didnt 12:29:34 From JLC to All panelists : We are in a dark river now, depths unknown, to fight these currents will only pull us deeper into the undertow. Float on top, however it may be. 12:30:08 From Joan Halifax : Moral suffering: moral distress, moral injury, moral outrage, moral apathy (see STANDING AT THE EDGE) 12:30:35 From SR to All panelists : some times we tend to anesthetize ourselves... 12:31:27 From LP : All of that amplified by murder of George Floyd 12:31:31 From HG : the reference to the military and moral suffering is tragic.we for e them into these situations yet the culture does not follow through because we do not recognize moral suffering, apathy. we are called on to change... 12:31:41 From SG : moral apathy, gateway to fascism 12:32:13 From Joan Halifax : Moral disengagement 12:32:35 From Tony Back : Yes — the darkness, amplification, apathy and disengagement are all related… 12:33:19 From Wendy : Moral disengagement - process of convincing ourselves that ethical standards do not apply to us. Disabling mechanism of self-condemnation. Makes it possible for us to portray inhumane behavior for having a purpose. 12:33:26 From Tony Back : S’s anesthetization is the disengagement 12:34:01 From Wendy : How do we transform our suffering into something that has meaning, reflects our character and what matters most? 12:34:13 From BZ to All panelists : Yes. In a literal combat. zone 12:34:13 From ST : what is the book Crysta is referring to? 12:34:28 From Tony Back : Cynda wrote a book entitled Moral Resilience 12:35:05 From B to All panelists : A current disturbing moral slippery slope is how and who decides the rationing of care in the midst of this pandemic. 12:35:12 From cv to All panelists : Is there any lecture about moral resilience ?thank you 12:35:54 From Tony Back : Cristiana we will send some resources after! 12:36:14 From Wendy : Cynda’s book is a great resource, Cristiana 12:36:25 From Wendy : And also Roshi’s book standing at the edge. 12:36:25 From cv to All panelists : thank you 12:36:39 From GSG : moral disengagement -couldn't this be seen as self-protectiion and dissociative - I've been taught that all our actions are self-protective, intended to keep us alive - however terrible they are in impact and self-destructive in actuality 12:36:48 From nb to All panelists : Sorry, someone has an open mic. Sounds as if moving papers or something 12:37:01 From SM to All panelists : could you repeat tthe accronimus GRACE? 12:37:10 From Tony Back : https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Resilience-Transforming-Suffering- Healthcare/dp/0190619260#a 12:37:31 From JKJ : Or Powell’s… 12:37:44 From v to All panelists : eso es verdad !!! y cuando ves que lo poco que puedes hacer puede llegar a ser mucho . Engrandeces tu y a los que nos rodean❤ 12:38:23 From Tony Back : G, yes, that’s true—what we touched on this morning... 12:38:28 From Wendy : Here is a pdf about GRACE https://www.upaya.org/uploads/pdfs/HalifaxGRACEintervention.pdf 12:38:31 From Tony Back : or earlier depending on your time zone! 12:38:52 From SM to All panelists : thank you so much 12:38:56 From SA : Yes, G, I've learned that as well--all actions are inherently adaptive in their inception, even if they are later maladaptive. The dissociative response is protective for traumatic experience, I've been taught. I'm processing the word "integrity" and its relationship to "integration" 12:39:12 From Wendy : The G.R.A.C.E. model has five elements: 1. Gathering attention: focus, grounding, balance 2. Recalling intention: the resource of motivation 3. Attuning to self/other: affective resonance 4. Considering: what will serve 5. Engaging: ethical enactment, then ending 12:39:19 From ST : Thank you Wendy! 12:39:38 From GSG : Please include the GRACE model in the resources to be sent out 12:39:40 From YCF to All panelists : Gracias Wendy 12:40:11 From HG to All panelists : yes on thé Grâce Model... 12:40:12 From Wendy : Yes, we can do that, G. 12:40:42 From HG to All panelists : could Upaya offer a complete course on the Grace model 12:40:46 From GSG : thanks, Wendy 12:41:17 From Kigaku : Online GRACE training: https://upaya.teachable.com/p/compassion-at- the-edge 12:41:31 From Wendy : There is a course on GRACE online now. https://upaya.teachable.com/ we will include this link on the resource page 12:41:32 From MM : The inner peace felling, the felling of been coherence, self compassion. 12:41:33 From S to All panelists : aDGJM/299794 12:41:33 From S to All panelists : \ 12:41:35 From S to All panelists : ][P0IYTREQ1`+ 12:41:55 From CC to All panelists : Kigaku thank you. 12:43:03 From NP to All panelists : can you say again what the writing assignment is? 12:44:04 From YCF to All panelists : Gracias Wendy por la información 12:44:21 From GS : I was asked to witness a manager reading a disciplinary document to one of his direct reports. I explained, that while I wanted to help him, I would have no credibility as a psychological resource if I was part of a disciplinary process. 12:44:30 From DA to All panelists : If feels so important to self examine...am I in apathy or active disengement? 12:44:55 From SG : that must have taken courage 12:44:59 From Tony Back : D, this is just an invitation for this moment… 12:45:16 From Tony Back : Write: a time when we have acted in alignment with our values... 12:45:25 From Wendy : Reflect our experience in the last month when we acted in alignment with our value. Capture some details about that experience. 12:45:31 From Tony Back : Can we capture the details, the feeling, the embodied sense of that experience? 12:46:01 From Tony Back : 3 minutes! 12:46:12 From jD to All panelists : can you restate the exercise pose 12:46:14 From Tony Back : Just write, don’t edit, enter with curiosity 12:46:19 From jD to All panelists : please 12:46:24 From Tony Back : A time when you acted with integrity 12:46:29 From Tony Back : What that felt like 12:46:31 From mf to All panelists : darme cuenta que sola no podía todo 12:46:40 From Wendy : jayne: Reflect our experience in the last month when we acted in alignment with our value. Capture some details about that experience. 12:46:40 From mf to All panelists : y pedí ayuda 12:46:51 From jD to All panelists : ty 12:47:04 From Tony Back : And we want the inner details, not more case info! :) 12:47:08 From Wendy : What it felt like. The embodied sense of the experience 12:48:04 From SR to All panelists : hold a Family member´s suit and try to offer loving kindness 12:48:32 From CS to All panelists : In your rich example,Cynda, both choices are terrible. I ask myself, which is more morally repugnant to my own heart? ....complicity with managerial unsafe practices, or abandoning colleagues and patients? in a sense, BOTH options are a type of abandonment. I think when I pause and realize there's actually no 'morally clean portal or exit' then it helps me accept my lack of control, and see it as part of the environmental fabric at that moment. and I also can vow to myself and to my peers that I won't forget it after the crisis days have ended. And I will commit to institutional change on an ongoing basis. This is part of why our organizing into unions is so very tough in medicine: it's not like shutting down the Ford assembly line, or even taking a week away from teaching classes. The stakes are just too high. 12:48:35 From Tony Back : For me, these is a sense of ease, almost effortlessness when i am acting in a way deeply rooted in my values… it feels calm… 12:49:07 From RF to All panelists : Yes, when i speak and act from love. when my heart and stomach feel kind and relaxed. When i let the camera focus on my work and put the genuine focus on the patient and his pain. 12:49:11 From MD : recentering 12:49:12 From MD to All panelists : peace 12:49:14 From N to All panelists : pace 12:49:16 From A to All panelists : it is not always easy, but it feels congruent, mentally and physically 12:49:18 From SG : Humble and part of the stream of life 12:49:19 From Tony Back : C, yes, perhaps there is a different personal example for you to discern... 12:49:19 From AH to All panelists : da paz 12:49:19 From Joan Halifax : warmth 12:49:21 From kDH to All panelists : Feel deep in the belly 12:49:21 From EL : I become empowered 12:49:22 From X to All panelists : AMOR INCONDICIONAL 12:49:23 From mf to All panelists : apoyo y alivio 12:49:24 From ns to All panelists : BLM car caravan 12:49:24 From EC : Softness and openness in my heart 12:49:25 From NW to All panelists : wholeness 12:49:26 From SGBA to All panelists : paz 12:49:26 From KB to All panelists : coherencia, alivio, amor 12:49:27 From Wendy : ease 12:49:27 From JMI to All panelists : an opening up of the chest 12:49:28 From AB to All panelists : Reconforta el alma 12:49:29 From BVE to All panelists : humanidad compartida 12:49:33 From WR to All panelists : I trust my guts to guid me…and when I follow, it always feel the most right 12:49:33 From NW : wholeness 12:49:34 From DCVG to All panelists : Conexion with my heart 12:49:34 From PP : In my situation, I lost relationships 12:49:35 From SS : the difference between support and rescue 12:49:36 From MS to All panelists : an equanimity between heart and mind 12:49:36 From KM to All panelists : Conguence - body, values, Love, heart, other. 12:49:37 From IO to All panelists : a ring with empathy 12:49:37 From v to All panelists : que tengo una oportunidad ante mi nunca vista 12:49:38 From JH to All panelists : gratitud 12:49:38 From ND to All panelists : Feels scary as s-t and then expansive and liberating! 12:49:39 From SAL to All panelists : need for eye contact 12:49:40 From 7918 to All panelists : serenidad 12:49:41 From df : Connection 12:49:42 From A to All panelists : why I am here 12:49:44 From 5652 to All panelists : That I’m not as crazy as I thought 12:49:44 From JC to All panelists : courage, a fierce compassion 12:49:44 From TH to All panelists : to continue working in the face of so much uncertainty 12:49:45 From JD : Acknowledging my humanity 12:49:45 From IP to All panelists : calma y seguridad 12:49:47 From GM to All panelists : i feel relaxed 12:49:47 From MM to All panelists : poniendo límites 12:49:49 From DZ to All panelists : loosen my grip on dream life 12:49:49 From JR to All panelists : my own self care was essential not selfish 12:49:49 From pg : I found myself sitting a bit taller, with some recognition of my ability and capacity. 12:49:50 From KL : harmony 12:49:51 From sw to All panelists : aligned 12:49:51 From KP to All panelists : Confidence and comfort 12:49:51 From B : feel a warm smile from the center of my chest 12:49:51 From KD : ability to breathe, ability to be present 12:49:52 From if to All panelists : Peace. 12:49:52 From DS to All panelists : i feel aligned 12:49:54 From nr to All panelists : peace 12:49:54 From TF to All panelists : I feel like I am standing taller 12:49:55 From KB : I felt at peace, in connection, I felt the emotions of the client 12:49:56 From MAT to All panelists : coherencia y paz 12:49:56 From cg : although some anxiety and ambivalencew comes up still, i have a sense of peace , and of wholeness 12:49:57 From lv : Equanimity 12:49:57 From MM : that trust was present, and that allowed things to unfold naturally 12:49:58 From R to All panelists : seguridad 12:49:59 From GS : I felt squeezed, pressured in my upper body, breath. But I felt taller when he accepted my refusal to join him in the action 12:49:59 From MN to All panelists : I’m an ICU RN in COVID-19 unit. I have been working deligently with our pts. I felt we are doing our best we know how in fighting & i learned to be more assertive & helped my pts’s families so much 12:49:59 From T : aligned..centred 12:50:00 From ES : i feel relaxed, loving. 12:50:01 From Tony Back : thank you all… 12:50:01 From CC to All panelists : Chest is expansive. Take a deeper breaths. Quiet, Open and Freed up. 12:50:01 From CP : inner strengh 12:50:02 From Y to All panelists : creative ideas arise 12:50:02 From AA to All panelists : Connection/compassion with those that I disagree with 12:50:02 From BMP : Sentir con el corazón 12:50:03 From FB to All panelists : presence 12:50:03 From DH to All panelists : right action - first do no harm 12:50:04 From SR : autenticidad 12:50:04 From BB : Calm and clear, without any attachment to outcome or regardless of outcome 12:50:05 From pb to All panelists : long term wellbeing 12:50:07 From LP : Present, wise, alert yet at ease. 12:50:09 From TW to All panelists : Balance, grounded in my humaneness 12:50:10 From ECB to All panelists : fluidez, armonia, plenitud, alegria, paz 12:50:11 From A to All panelists : It give me energy 12:50:13 From RV : generosity 12:50:15 From CC to All panelists : soft 12:50:16 From k : I realize that I don’t feel safe often in current situation - the support of trusted colleagues has given me courage to risk in speaking up 12:50:16 From Charo P to All panelists : Presencia ilimitada 12:50:17 From MM : in sync 12:50:17 From X to All panelists : FLUIR 12:50:18 From CS : set aside insecurities so we can more deeply intuit 12:50:20 From A to All panelists : My heart smiles 12:50:20 From CJ to All panelists : sometimes I experience a soft and gentle me. 12:50:22 From jj : absence of angst. 12:50:22 From Tony Back : love that fluidez... 12:50:26 From MSM to All panelists : Integrity expands my being 12:50:26 From Joan Halifax : Takes courage 12:50:28 From LM to All panelists : When I know in my heart what is right, I feel courage and a full heart. 12:50:30 From ECB to All panelists : confianza 12:50:32 From DA to All panelists : When I remember what I have to offer and don't have to offer allows me the ease of integrity. 12:50:32 From n : a sense of lightness 12:50:33 From CP : space 12:50:35 From IS to All panelists : when i show up with this integral presence i see how connected everything and everyone are 12:50:38 From LL to All panelists : Allowed righteous indignation to give way to connection to all humans and there is much less agitation on outings 12:50:42 From KC : scary but grateful I can do this 12:50:43 From R to All panelists : understanding 12:50:53 From M to All panelists : Peace 12:50:58 From Tony Back : k, thanks for your honesty—it can be scary… :) 12:51:05 From SR to All panelists : Engaging a deeper voice, truth telling, with heart, while not causing others to feel shame from their own moral disengagement. 12:51:06 From S : In the moment of showing up and being caring when I'm exhausted, I find the energy that's needed, but later the fatigue is even more extreme. 12:51:06 From MB to All panelists : leaves no residue/rumination 12:51:08 From GFdS : scare, all institution was angry, and so i had certanty and remain in silence to accept and reverberate all i received 12:51:09 From AR : Realize how little freedom I feel to speak the truth - if I do it I get "talked down to" by leaderhsip 12:51:16 From Tony Back : m love that no residue... 12:51:16 From S to All panelists : offers a platform to stop censoring myself. 12:51:16 From AF to All panelists : I feel full, but in some cases losing. Moral can make loose things.... 12:51:19 From BZ : Integrity is allowing the person to have self determination 12:51:25 From Tony Back : A, so important to realize 12:51:27 From CW to All panelists : my body is my temple of truth 12:51:30 From JW to All panelists : Softer, lighter, upright, back in my skin. 12:51:31 From AR to All panelists : sensación de fortaleza y autovaloración, congruencia, a pesar de que no siempre resulta cómodo 12:51:37 From T to All panelists : For me, that compromise is voting for Mr Biden 12:51:46 From Tony Back : J, thank you, great to see you here! 12:51:55 From CS to All panelists : I've felt that stress directly, and it helps me to realize that I can behave in that moment with my best effort at self-awareness, but also recognize that some of my accomplishments will come later, not at this moment....yes! compromising competing integrity options 12:51:56 From Tony Back : T, great example…. 12:51:59 From HR to All panelists : in difficult moments, I can come from integrity when grounded in my heart,,curiosity s about myself, my thoughts - a calm self -cand willingness to be sanding alone as a result - yet such wholenss arises in that, an integrated psyhe 12:52:09 From CPES : Trabajar con integridad implica ser coherentes.Entrega con humanidad, honestidad y humildad. 12:52:16 From T to All panelists : Particularly given how I’d rather see our healthcare system funded and operated. 12:52:30 From Tony Back : C, gracias 12:52:36 From JH to All panelists : I find integrity in everyday practice where we can get lazy and “overlook” or avoid doing our jobs 12:52:37 From Wendy : Yes, H, curiosity! 12:52:54 From JH to All panelists : integrity is just doing the next right thing 12:53:02 From BZ : Muchas gracias C! 12:53:11 From Wendy : Being able to be curious and find possibility! 12:53:12 From LP : Sometimes I feel like I'm cutting corners or violating other values when I'm true to some values - ie being very present with a patient in distress and giving them what they need, but making others (patients nurses) wait for me and inconveniencing them, or getting home late to my family. Or taking time to go away for a weekend when I'll be behind on charts and feel professionally inadequate. 12:53:13 From AMA : I reached a point that I had to let go of my fear, not doing that was morally not tenable, I trusted that I was ready to serve, and found empowerement, I touched my integrity and my heart in a real way. 12:53:24 From Tony Back : C, beautiful reflection! 12:53:27 From AD to All panelists : feels freeing from self imposed constraint of a goal or result 12:53:33 From KK : Being able to speak openly and honestly is liberating. It can open the door to deeper conversations that may be difficult to discuss 12:53:34 From NCL : Even if I do the right thing for the greater majority acting with integrity, knowing deep down that was the right thing to do, there was still a discomfort because a patient declined my help in the way that was in alignment with me protecting myself and the rest of my staff. And still being able to move on as offering of alternative helpful action was given and unfortunately the patient’s strength of denial was stronger than that of wanting to be helped. 12:53:39 From Wendy : Yes, AM, beautiful 12:53:40 From CPES : Nadie nos limita acompañar desde el Amor. 12:54:02 From SA : Just wondering...compromise depends on whether we have power, perhaps? 12:54:23 From CS : That story and the outcome took my breath. 12:54:39 From mf to All panelists : nada de lo que uno haga desde lo compasivo puede hacer dano 12:54:48 From Tony Back : NC, the discomfort is real and yet it does not invalidate what you *were* able to do... 12:55:03 From X to All panelists : Actuar con ETICA 12:55:24 From B : Who is helped and who is harmed by this decision? 12:55:24 From CC to All panelists : When I hear these stories, I always wonder what the nursing manager was thinking? What was the manager’s choice? 12:55:28 From Tony Back : C, yes 12:55:29 From S to All panelists : how does moral residue interplay with the idea of KArma? 12:55:31 From X to All panelists : RESPETO 12:55:34 From MM : "what kind of residue can I live with?" so helpful 12:55:42 From Wendy : Which residue can I live with? 12:56:19 From NCL : Thanks Tony, yes holding the integrity and alignment together with discomfort in a compassionate way. 12:56:23 From JC to All panelists : And the weight and texture of moral residue changes over time— can be healed and let go 12:56:25 From S to All panelists : I read that story- Do you know what happened after the nurses walked out? 12:56:31 From SG : yes many gray areas 12:56:41 From kDH to All panelists : yet moral residue can accumulate to a climax and explode 12:56:49 From LP : Oh, this is wonderful, thanks, I love just having the language, "moral residue". Gives me a more structured way to think about these kinds of choices. 12:56:50 From Tony Back : J, yes... 12:57:03 From MM : where I get caught in a choice between a complex decision in which one decision has to do with accepting my own limits. I feel that I have failed 12:57:09 From DA to All panelists : It seems the economic realities of health care too often are creating systems without choice. To leave may mean to leave the profession. 12:57:14 From CS to All panelists : yes, Tony, our biggest decisions in the hospital (and in life?) carry nuances of imperfection, regret, and maybe I need to accept this as core human experience, not my unique fault 12:57:17 From TH to All panelists : our nursing home was advised by the local hospital that the most elderly of our residents would not be preferentially allotted a ventilator if they were transported to the hospital. In our subsequent end of life care conversations with our residents, we incorporated that information, who overwhelmingly responded that they would just as soon remain in our care at the nursing home. I was completely humbled by these conversations and the attitude of trust and accepting of our residents. 12:57:22 From MSM to All panelists : Isn´t is that the imperfection? 12:57:26 From X to All panelists : Acompañar con cariño, hasta el final 12:57:48 From HR to All panelists : a teacher recently said.." a balance between surrender and engagement" finding one's way through moral dolemma 12:57:58 From JN to All panelists : accumulated residue is what I call a shelf life in healthcare workers 12:58:09 From Tony Back : T, wow, a powerful example of what happens when you go into a tough situation with integrity and honesty... 12:58:16 From S to All panelists : there are so many situations right now that are not aligned with integrity- and we need to work with that and there is always a fall out 12:58:23 From KT : and part of the power of community is who carries the load WITH me? Am I truly alone in this responsibility or can/do we share it? Can we sustain, maybe even rise, together? 12:58:31 From Tony Back : S, yes we need to be skillful right now... 12:58:46 From A to All panelists : Beautifully put, the outcome of integrous decision making does not directly reflect on the integrity of the decision itself. 12:58:51 From Tony Back : K, of course yes—we are with you—that is why we are here 12:58:58 From KK : I think that we as clinicians are always focused on outcomes- its in our nature. But we cannot be attached to outcomes. many times our own sense of a “good” outcome may be perceived different for a patient 12:59:13 From Wendy to KT , All Panelists : Yes, K, community is so important. 12:59:17 From JLC to All panelists : Massive Health care disparities = moral injury 12:59:36 From S to All panelists : yes Tony, Skillful means- yet there are huge gaps everywhere 13:00:00 From K to All panelists : Can I meet a need for even one person? 13:00:23 From kDH to All panelists : How will we be able to recover or help the recovery from the multiple betrayals in health care during the pandemic? 13:00:23 From BZ : Yes K! 13:00:38 From sw to All panelists : sometimes the presence of the patients own deep humanity is my saving grace 13:00:42 From TW to All panelists : The starfish story 13:00:56 From JC to All panelists : As a trauma therapist, I suggest re-regulating the body as a foundation to see clearly and know how to act with integrity. And to heal moral injury— body first 13:01:15 From SA : The residue is also cumulative of unhealed trauma in an individual's history. When possible, I hope all front line clinicians will have an opportunity for healing of therapy with a trauma-informed approach. 13:01:15 From JN to All panelists : what would you say when I’m the person who made the mistake and I don’t know how to be with that? 13:01:25 From Wendy : Thank you, J! 13:01:48 From Tony Back : J, stay tuned, more coming on your question... 13:01:55 From DA to All panelists : Cynda, I worry that my limiting my perview to the person in front of me is also leading me to moral apathy and perhaps disengagement from the system I'm in. 13:02:14 From L to All panelists : I feel the need for a "moment" for all us to breathe into the intensity of this acknowledgement of this trauma... sounds like an a-ha for many of us 13:02:24 From Tony Back : L, yes... 13:02:41 From CR to All panelists : there is trauma in med students and residents according to high numbers of suicides that have been reported lately 13:03:23 From GFdS : excelente 13:03:41 From KK : I tell my patients that my job is to provide them with all of the information I have to assist them in making the best decision for them. Many times this is very different from what I would want for myself or family member (having to take a step back many times to acknowledge my own feelings) 13:03:43 From Wendy : Yes, seeing this so much in young clinicians. Need this kind of training early on in clinical education. 13:03:55 From EL : When our work leaders (who are partly responsible for the moral injury) put into place tools for healing it’s hard to trust them. It’s hard to receive the help from within. 13:04:13 From DZ to All panelists : I’ve walked away unable to effect from a situation where an individual is being exploited and I can’t do anything about it. It’s left me with some cynicism. 13:04:15 From MA to All panelists : Para que pensemos en nuestro ESPACIO PERSONAL como profesionales de la salud 13:04:28 From ks : From Kava Schafer, I take my learning from The Bhagavad Gita. I have been practicing that for over 20 years, but I do not practice that perfectly. I have learned for the Gita; to not be attached to the fruit of the outcome. Not to be attached to praise and blame. 13:04:34 From AMA : Can you at some point talk about the moral injury that is experienced by clinicians who are furloughed or due to organizational new policies can no longer serve people as they used to? And witness the huge amount of suffering among peers and their communicty? There seems to be a lack of imagination about how to deploy the human resources available to help in the care of patients and families and caregivers (professional or not) during this pandemic. 13:05:11 From BB to All panelists : Do you feel the pressure of the covid crisis might force the healthcare system to reform? 13:05:39 From DA to All panelists : Yes, thank you...helpful. 13:06:02 From Tony Back : BB, i hope so… 13:06:04 From Wendy : Kava, yes, not attached to outcome is so important. Difficult to many clinicians. Thank you 13:06:16 From Tony Back : And we can be part of that pressure... 13:06:31 From Wendy : I hope so BB! And hi! 13:06:34 From MA to All panelists : son that we think about our PERSONAL SPACE as health professionals 13:07:03 From BN to All panelists : I think remembering we are part of community and trust that those striving for integrity are using different gifts to work on different parts of the COVID 19 crisis. 13:07:07 From BB to All panelists : Hey Wendy! Thanks to all of you for this discussion. 13:07:23 From JW to All panelists : Best term ever: self-stewardship. Goes to sustainability, and how we can’t be exempt from that. 13:07:23 From tb to All panelists : My experience, both in my own life and the lives of others who I worked with as a therapist, is that spiritual practice and sometimes therapy are necessary to heal moral injury but so too is time and distance from that which caused the harm in the first place. I have not really found a path to moral healing while remaining in the middle of the insults and I wonder if that is similar to other people’s experiences? 13:07:43 From SG : not being a martyr 13:07:58 From Wendy : Is it truly moral though if it’s harming ourselves? 13:08:03 From MW : I feel we can transform healthcare using imagination in this pandemic moment. 13:08:17 From AMA : Thank you Tony and Cynda. 13:08:22 From ND to All panelists : @M - Yes! 13:08:23 From MB to All panelists : La verdad es que es MUY nutritivo el encuentro de hoy. Me viene pareciendo maravilloso... autocuidarnos para poder cuidar sostenidamente. ¿Podremos acceder a la grabación del encuentro para volver a mirarlo? 13:08:29 From GBS to All panelists : Self stewardship...a beautiful pearl! 13:08:31 From Tony Back : M, yes :) 13:08:43 From Tony Back : Gwynn, exactly 13:08:45 From SR to All panelists : we need impathic listening anda a lot of rawness 13:09:01 From SR to All panelists : ops empathic 13:09:15 From MM : I struggle so much with accepting my limits. Thinking that if I would just heal my wounds, meditate more, etc. etc. I wouldn't have the limit. 13:09:32 From Tony Back : M, i totally am with you… 13:09:46 From MM : thank you Tony 13:09:51 From NCL : Pathological altruism I find is closely entwined with perfectionistic tendencies. But if we don’t care for ourselves first, then we cannot care for our loved ones and patients. 13:09:57 From JC to All panelists : we are limited expressions of the limitless 13:10:01 From DA to All panelists : By naming with kindness from a grounded place adds energy to the system...in mysterious ways that can not be linearly traced. 13:10:08 From BZ : M, we are going to have to, becasues there are too many long term issues for the survivors. The current system can’t deal with it within the framework of a for profit system 13:10:14 From Wendy : Mmm, M, great insight 13:10:22 From SR to All panelists : ops criatividade 13:10:28 From ST : yes! 13:10:30 From Wendy : Totally, NC 13:10:40 From LJ to All panelists : can you expand on when we harm ourselves we harm others 13:11:02 From Tony Back : D and NC, beautiful 13:11:13 From VJ to All panelists : We cannot underestimate denial. As caregivers we often deny - unconsciously - our own profound needs. 13:11:21 From CJ to All panelists : How can these concepts be accepted by medical community? 13:11:53 From SG : we don't help anyone by sacrificing ourselves 13:11:56 From MW : Caring for caregivers needs to be top priority. "Put oxygen on self first." 13:12:12 From KK : M- 100% 13:12:28 From RB to All panelists : drink while we poor 13:12:33 From RB to All panelists : pour 13:12:36 From SG : easier said than done though 13:12:37 From MM : briefly can you conect al this that you have talked about today with connection, communication with the families? 13:12:38 From MB to All panelists : Si me quemo yo... no voy a poder ayudar a nadie... 13:12:51 From T to All panelists : I’m not involved in 12-step, but I find a pause with the Serenity Prayer helps me to remember. 13:13:05 From S to All panelists : So important- your fuel tank right now! 13:13:06 From NP to All panelists : just read these lines: live without lies, listen without judgment, grieve without fear, and love without losing yourself. 13:13:08 From AA to All panelists : Discernment of intention and impact 13:13:12 From DA to All panelists : This makes it so clear to me that this is for life, not for work alone. 13:13:17 From MW : We need to help our colleagues too. Notice and hand them the "oxygen." 13:13:23 From CC to All panelists : I learned a big lesson. I was sick and should have stayed home. I tried to drive to a meeting and ended up having to pull over into a parking lot and calling a friend to pick me up. I had walking pneumonia. 13:13:28 From S to All panelists : sometimes peole push you when you are at an empty tank 13:13:37 From Wendy : We’re trained to be proud of self-sacrifice. 13:13:43 From Tony Back : C, yes…i’ve had that lesson too 13:13:57 From 5652 to All panelists : Just the fact that you are holding this seminar-is enough to buy me some time. It’s empowering and liberating. 13:14:21 From Wendy : OH so many times for me, C. 13:14:30 From SG : hard not to drive yourself when so much is at stake 13:15:20 From Tony Back : Wendy, yes we doctors have fetishished self-sacrifice 13:15:21 From JC to All panelists : we are all at stake… taking yourself as lovingly as others 13:15:25 From Tony Back : fetishized 13:15:30 From AA to All panelists : How one avoids the trap of seeing values as fixed canons or relative to the situation which requires wisdom and awareness? 13:15:31 From HG : sacrifice back East is about doing something for the most good. it is not about doing that which we do not want to do... I was shocked when I learnt of the West’s interpretation. 13:15:35 From CR to All panelists : “We’re trained to be proud of self-sacrifice.” Yes, Wendy... thanks for saying this because that is a very impportant point especially in young clinicians (from my experience) but also in people on the front lines 13:15:44 From KB to All panelists : Taking care of ourselves is taking care of others 13:15:51 From Tony Back : H, interesting... 13:16:03 From X to All panelists : personal no formado en la higiene para cuidarnos para cuidar, con jornadas muy largas, un sitema automatico, no ayuda a la conciencia... 13:16:04 From SR to All panelists : some times we need a pause to recover our internal resources 13:16:06 From AW to All panelists : True H 13:16:07 From SG : doing something for the common good? 13:16:14 From MLR to All panelists : Magnifica reunión 13:16:16 From KK : Yes, Wendy. I have been reflecting a lot over the past 6 months about my own identity. Yes, I am a clinician, however that is just part of me. I have been writing down other attributes/roles/values/beliefs that make-up me as an entire being. I read these on days when I don’t feel that I have been the clinician I wanted to be on any given day 13:16:16 From LJ to All panelists : thank you 13:16:59 From Tony Back : ML, gracias 13:17:02 From DA to All panelists : May it come to be!! 13:17:06 From Wendy : That’s a beautiful way of resourcing, K 13:17:06 From AW to All panelists : Look towards other archetypes. From hero to good mother. 13:17:16 From Tony Back : A, nice... 13:17:50 From HG : sacrificing my self will, my way of wanting it to be according to my plan...yes common good...what is best for the common good... 13:17:53 From SG : always 13:18:08 From CS : I'm feeling the machismo nature of the dominant hospital profession, medicine. I'd hoped that we were moving away from that (over my years in hospitals), but maybe in this pandemic, the system became more primitive rather than more flexible in its cultural narratives. 13:18:17 From VJ : Maybe it’s not to end suffering but rather to facilitate suffering, in ourselves and in others 13:18:43 From MB to All panelists : Está bueno aprender a reconocer nuestros límites. No podemos ayudar a todos... eso es omnipotencia. Es suficiente saber que podemos ayudar a los que están a nuestro alcance... 13:18:47 From CP to All panelists : Muchas, muchas GRACIAS por vuestra generosidad y sabiduría 13:18:50 From GS : To survive with suffering 13:18:56 From SG : beautiful, V 13:19:02 From TF to All panelists : We are moving toward basics, and that is a great thing 13:19:04 From AW to All panelists : Away from military thinking towards a village mentality. 13:19:19 From BB : Speaking of kindness toward ourselves within the context of committing to self-care --Cynda and Tony, do you see evidence among your colleagues working in crisis settings that those with the kind of awareness and grounding practices we're discussing today have been in fact better able to weather the circumstances Covid has created? Are some circumstances likely to be overwhelming at moments almost no matter what, for most of us? This probably doesn't need to be said, but I'm feeling the need in myself to lower my own expectations about what I can control through cultivating deep practice. 13:19:29 From tc : We can co-regulate! 13:19:32 From LJ to All panelists : interdependence 13:19:39 From BB to All panelists : Sometimes a great event will cause a great shift… 13:20:02 From mf to All panelists : creo que mas alla de una convicción no nos va a quedar otra que integrarnos a otros 13:20:10 From Wendy : B, hopefully a shift towards more equity and compassion 13:20:12 From TE : tenderness around our regression too, which is so normal. it strikes me that much of our guilt and sense of 'not having done enough' is also a very normal part of the grieving process. perhaps we can offer ourselves some tenderness - as Cynda suggests - if we 'normalize' this situation somewhat. 13:20:13 From KK : Despite the chaos/uncertainty that is hitting our places of work and world, conversations such as these and other resiliency efforts being further discussed and identified through daily articles/stories is such a great sign of hope 13:20:25 From AW to All panelists : Are many of you clinicians getting spiritual support from you administrators? 13:20:26 From EL : Yes! It’s a great time to teach GRACE as a practice 13:20:31 From TH to All panelists : my own "aha" moment from GRACE continues to be attunement with other, transforming communication from the head to the heart 13:20:43 From AD to All panelists : mirror neurons go both ways. we experience the distress of others. 13:20:44 From th to All panelists : relational integrity. how beautiful. reminds me of MLK somehow. not the same. . none of us is ok if one of our "bothers/ sisters" is suffering. 13:20:45 From AF to All panelists : what it´s more difficult for me is to leave it when, even as a team, we can not change some things.... Accept it 13:20:53 From RB to All panelists : Compassion with equanimity phrase that helps me "Everyone is on their own journey. I am not the cause of this person's suffering nor is it entirely without my power to make it go away, this is a moment of struggle" May I be kind to my self in this moment and be compassionate toward them and me 13:20:53 From JW to All panelists : I hope you three will offer this training/workshop again soon, adapted for a) therapists, chaplains, counselors, social workers, as well as b) social justice advocates and c) educators and parents. All are caregivers, feeling the systemic distress due to Covid, BLM, and the election, and also experiencing empathic distress, fatigue, trauma, and moral distress/injury. Please. Thanks and much love to you! 13:21:01 From AD to All panelists : others can down regulate with us 13:21:03 From SG : Thanks, T 13:21:09 From Tony Back : A W, hmm, i wish… 13:21:22 From eb to All panelists : I think the one of the most difficult consequences of moral injury is bitterness. Any thoughts on meeting the bitterness within oneself as well as others? 13:21:28 From AW to All panelists : This is the moment.. 13:21:29 From Tony Back : J, sending love back! 13:21:31 From HV to All panelists : How do we do this in system and with people we don't trust? 13:21:33 From CBN to All panelists : Well, but I do think we need to look for ways to re-imagine the system - the "good old days" weren't really all that great either 13:21:35 From Wendy : I don’t think I”ve heard that but I have heard that chaplains a playing an important role in support. 13:21:55 From SR to All panelists : how about we create a compassionate listening community? 13:22:09 From CPES : Con sentido de Unidad ,un mundo mejor es posible. 13:22:20 From MW : Would a daily required team debrief ever take on for healthcare workers? "Moral residue" processing daily. 13:22:24 From AW to All panelists : Many are sidelined now. Too much pressure on doctors and nurses without “nutrition” 13:22:27 From KT : As the academic year resumes in our hospitals, opportunity to extend hospitality to trainees, to grow them (and ourselves) into community-oriented clinicians 13:22:42 From Tony Back : Ed, i see the bitterness as a kind of failure tape… 13:22:44 From KK : our chaplains have been a source of light and comfort for both patients and staff at my insitutitution 13:22:45 From AW to All panelists : Yeah! 13:23:42 From KK : K- yes! 13:23:54 From Wendy : K, yes, that’s what we keep hearing. So great. 13:24:00 From X to All panelists : Escuachar lo que los pacientes quieren expresar ( su experiencia) , que están sintiendo .... 13:24:04 From Tony Back : M, instead of requiring (which creates pushback), can we invite—so that others want what we are doing? 13:24:18 From AD to All panelists : yes, we chaplains have been asked to lead daily staff support in my healthcare institutions which is wonderful. 13:24:37 From Tony Back : K—i bet you are a source of light... 13:24:50 From AD to All panelists : and, who supports the chaplains? my colleagues are stretched to breaking 13:24:56 From MW : I was thinking '"require" until the worth is appreciated. Just like we require mask fit testing and other kinds of harm reduction for workers. 13:25:18 From MM to All panelists : Conscious refusal is at the core of our integrity. 13:25:57 From KK : I wish every clinician was given Roshi’s book “Being With Dying” in their training. Maybe we can also use this time to educate and talk about death and dying in our society. 13:26:04 From AF to All panelists : leave it´s really hurt but then is peaceful 13:26:09 From Tony Back : A, please note that there is an assumption there that we all need external support—only partially true... 13:26:10 From KK : Thank you, Tony :) 13:26:25 From Tony Back : K, yes! 13:26:43 From CS : Tony, I like that 'inviting' If I take an action, maybe with just one peer, and invite others to join us, then I'm not drawing a chalk line between us but radically including them to make their own value-consistent choice 13:26:47 From DA to All panelists : What evidences of progress have you seen over the years? 13:26:53 From Wendy : Good question, A. Is there an organized chaplain community to draw on? 13:27:13 From cv to All panelists : here um Brasil also 13:27:17 From BMP : En España hay estrés y ansiedad 13:27:19 From AD to All panelists : I had to do that, to give two week notice to a hospice when the director of patient care said to me in full team meeting “we don’t have time for compassion, we are a start up business, 13:27:21 From IK to All panelists : we are all bourn out about pandemic 13:27:25 From KK : but at least the conversation is happening! 13:27:26 From SM to All panelists : Burnout also in Spain, specialy in physicians 13:27:29 From AW to All panelists : as a chaplain I m looking for ways to serve 13:27:37 From IK to All panelists : es decir estamos quemados de la pandemia y ell confinamiento 13:27:41 From AMA : Our palliative care group became integrated with the ICU teams, we rounded with them every day, and the consults increased dramatically - intensivist, surgeons and other specialties started to understand how we can work together for patients, families and providers - hoping this continues. 13:27:48 From CR to All panelists : GRACE training should be part of every medical and nursing school curriculum 13:27:53 From BMP : In Spain there is stress and anxiety. 13:27:56 From AD to All panelists : that was hard to do skillfully but very freeing 13:27:57 From T to All panelists : I recently moved back after 16 years in London, and our government was squeezing NHS workers and systems just as the insurance behemoth here does. 13:28:05 From ECB to All panelists : en España hay burnout pero no se habla de ello, apenas se conoce y no se entiende... por lo que el profesional se siente muy solo 13:28:24 From Tony Back : AM, great exaple 13:28:28 From Tony Back : example! 13:28:37 From jg to All panelists : To that point to echo someone earlier, it is hard sometimes to trust efforts on the part of the admin to mitigate stress etc, when they have created the broken system 13:29:19 From BZ : I am going to look more into Buddhism as a tool for providing enlightenment concerning these issues. 13:29:23 From ST : can you explain what you mean by first thought best thought? 13:29:41 From Wendy : Susan, as not to edit yourself. Just write what comes up 13:30:56 From N to All panelists : when I am aligned with my values I Dont hesitate, there is force bigger than I rhat take me through 13:33:06 From MB to All panelists : Profundo agradecimiento 13:33:13 From MTGP to All panelists : ACTUÉ CON FIRMEZA, Y CLARIDAD, SIN LUGAR A DUDAS. AHORA SIGO SEGURA. 13:34:07 From CR to All panelists : often the first reaction was fear; all my insecurities coming up; that my action (of integrity) would not be recognized for what it is. and then extreme relief in the mind and body relaxing when my response actually was the right one. Always questioning myself. So courage is something I had to build in a misogynistic environment 13:35:50 From HG : i am humbled, honoured and privileged to have been with you all during this gathering. I thank you, I keep you in the Light.��� my gratitude to Upaya. 13:37:34 From S to All panelists : Deep bows of gratitude to everyone and well wishes for health on all levels and integrity. 13:39:39 From Wendy : “May I offer my care and presence even though it may be met by anger, anguish, confusion or indifference” “May I find the inner resources to truly be able to give.” “May I be open to receive the support and care of others” “May I see my own limits, my struggles, with compassionate, just as I view the suffering of others.” 13:39:50 From IP to All panelists : mil gracias!!1 13:39:53 From S : Deep bows of gratitude to everyone and well wishes for health on all levels and integrity. 13:40:00 From Wendy : �� 13:40:02 From SG to All panelists : A whole hearted deep gratitude to you all. Thank you Tony, Cynda and Roshi. 13:40:03 From Tony Back : A deep bow to you all—and a big hug 13:40:06 From TF to All panelists : much love and gratitude 13:40:08 From KB to All panelists : Thank you so much! 13:40:11 From NP to All panelists : grateful for all of you 13:40:16 From JW to All panelists : �� 13:40:17 From CO to All panelists : Muchísimas gracias ������ 13:40:19 From C to All panelists : Muchas Gracias desde Catalunya! 13:40:20 From SG : May you all be free of suffering 13:40:24 From GSG : Thank you to everyone for your openness and mutual support 13:40:24 From KK to All panelists : Tony, Cynda, and Roshi- 13:40:25 From TOG to All panelists : Gratidão eterna! 13:40:26 From KC : gratitude for today 13:40:28 From BMP : Very fine, thank you for the beautiful information. 13:40:29 From NCL : Thank you all. 13:40:29 From MR : �� 13:40:30 From Tony Back : and gracias!!! 13:40:32 From IMMS : gracias 13:40:34 From TH to All panelists : thank you all so much for this session 13:40:40 From KM to All panelists : A deep bow - Roshi Joan, Cynda, Tony 13:40:41 From HV to All panelists : thank you 13:40:43 From dm : ��❤ 13:40:44 From lg : thank you so much for this offering 13:40:47 From FM to All panelists : Gratidão ! 13:40:49 From SH to All panelists : Thank you 13:40:50 From cv to All panelists : thank you for This beautiful pray 13:40:51 From pt to All panelists : ����gracias! 13:40:52 From Tony Back : we are so glad you are all here 13:40:52 From MB : So much gratitude. Thank you all for this offering 13:40:52 From PP : Mahalo, everyone. 13:40:54 From FB : Gratitude, Deep bow 13:40:54 From V to All panelists : My most sincere gratitude 13:40:55 From VJ : So very grateful to you all. 13:40:58 From ND to All panelists : deep bows 13:41:00 From LJ to All panelists : gracias mil 13:41:00 From DB to All panelists : Thanks for your generosity. 13:41:00 From KB to All panelists : A big hug to you all! 13:41:01 From CP : Gracias Profundas por todo lo compartido 13:41:01 From SC : INFINITAS GRACIAS, por estar ahi. 13:41:02 From CVB to All panelists : Gratidão 13:41:04 From ELG to All panelists : gracias � 13:41:04 From X to All panelists : Agradecimiento a tod@s, de corazon...por el tiempo y vuestra actitud critica tan amable y rica . 13:41:05 From M to All panelists : Thank you so much 13:41:06 From SM to All panelists : THANK YOU SO MUCH 13:41:06 From A to All panelists : Thank you all so much for who you are and what you bring to this life we share. 13:41:07 From MM : Thanks so much � 13:41:09 From 7918 to All panelists : Gracias, dsd Aldeanueva de la Vera, España 13:41:12 From ES : Deep gratitude and love. Thank you <3 13:41:13 From 14O to All panelists : Thank you for a wonderful afternoon of healing, learning new practices and perspectives. I feel supported, validated and hopeful! <3 13:41:15 From PJ to All panelists : Gracias 13:41:15 From KP : Thank you for this beautiful offering and shared space today, held with such love and care. 13:41:15 From nb to All panelists : Thank you so much. So enriching 13:41:17 From KP to All panelists : Thank you all for being with you today and learning. 13:41:20 From BMP : Que bonito trabajar con el sufrimiento. 13:41:22 From T to All panelists : Wonderful sessions. Thank you. 13:41:22 From EM to All panelists : Gracias � 13:41:23 From JH to All panelists : Gracias por tanta generosidad, Abrazo desde Argentina 13:41:24 From P : muchas gracias por todo, a los panelistas y a todas las personas que han formado parte de esta interesantísima jornada. gracias Joan, gracias Upaya y gracias Nikara 13:41:24 From PR to All panelists : Enorme gratitud 13:41:25 From LM to All panelists : Great gratitude for this time spent with you and beautiful opportunity … 13:41:26 From IK to All panelists : muchas gracias 13:41:26 From CR to All panelists : deep bow to everyone for this day. Deep gratitude to Roshi, Wendy, Tony and Cynda...and Upaya for organizing this day. It was very helpful! ��� 13:41:27 From nr to All panelists : Gracias! Thank you all _()_ 13:41:32 From jg : Thank you all for your service. 13:41:33 From IK to All panelists : muchas gracias 13:41:34 From AN to All panelists : Muchas gracias por su presencia y generosidad! 13:41:35 From LP : Love and gratitude to you all. May you be safe, contended, healthy and at ease. 13:41:36 From mar to All panelists : un profundo agradecimiento a tod@s por este evento auténtico y compasivo. un enorme abrazo a la traductora impecable! 13:41:36 From SD to All panelists : thank you for this beautiful gift! 13:41:38 From Cynda Rushton : thank you for your wholehearted commitment and engagement today—and for your service for others…Grace and ease as you journey. 13:41:39 From MM to All panelists : Ghana YouTube 13:41:40 From T : wonderful gathering , thank you all so much . Gassho 13:41:41 From A to All panelists : Such an inspiring program today, I feel so grateful and invigorated for the weeks ahead 13:41:41 From KG : Thank you for this wonderful gift. 13:41:42 From Tony Back : deep bow… 13:41:45 From c to All panelists : gratitud profunda a uds 13:41:45 From JLC to All panelists : Deep bow to all 13:41:48 From JMI to All panelists : Thank you so much! Wonderful to see you again Tony, Cynda and always, Roshi! 13:41:59 From MM to All panelists : Thank you, Roshi Halifax, Tony and Cynda por your guidance and support. You held the space beautifully for us. 13:42:00 From B to All panelists : May you all be well. Ometeotl 13:42:00 From MM to All panelists : Thank you 13:42:00 From CPES : Thank you Cynda, thank you Roshi, thank you Tony. See you again. 13:42:01 From Tony Back : J thank you! 13:42:07 From DS to All panelists : with my heartfelt gratitude...may we feel each others beautiful presence always in peace debs 13:42:10 From TH to All panelists : thank you muchas gracias 13:42:11 From KS : Thank you, Tony, Cynda, and Roshi Joan. Deep bows of gratitude for your wisdom. 13:42:11 From AF to All panelists : Thanks Upaya and Nirakara. Lots of hugs!! Thanks Roshi, Tony and Cynda for your expertise and your light 13:42:15 From CC to All panelists : Thank you for this powerful day. Bowing in deepest gratitude. 13:42:15 From IK to All panelists : ojalá pueda volver a escucharse o leerse, hubo partes que se desconecto 13:42:15 From N to All panelists : gracias, gracias, gracias. 13:42:20 From RV : Muchísimas gracias a tod@s 13:42:22 From Wendy : Thank you so much everyone! �� 13:42:25 From m : thank you <3 13:42:32 From c to All panelists : y muchísimas gracias a las traductoras, muy agradable escucharlas 13:42:38 From AS : Gracias! 13:42:39 From df : Deep bows to all of you. 13:42:44 From BL to All panelists : Thank you for this, for this moment to be in a collective circle of healers. This felt good. My thirst has been filled. The journey continues with these wonderful tools and strategies shared in this forum today. Thank you 13:42:44 From MM to All panelists : Gratitud por este regalo precioso de cuidado!!! 13:42:46 From tc : Thank you so much for this day! 13:42:49 From BMP : Sois fantásticos, Tony, Cynda and Roshy Joan 13:42:51 From YCF to All panelists : Gracias.!! 13:42:55 From R to All panelists : Gracias 13:43:00 From GFdS : Caros, senti a energia e o conhecimento e a enorme vontade de estar e ajudar-nos a transformar esse cotidiano desafiador e amoroso do cuidado com a gente e com os outros. 13:43:00 From Tony Back : thank you 13:43:10 From GL to All panelists : Gracias!!! 13:43:10 From MD to All panelists : thank you for sharing 13:43:10 From Tony Back : fabio thanks 13:43:13 From RH to All panelists : Gratitude to the three of you . Felt like coming home. Look forward to seeing and being with you again 13:43:17 From AC to All panelists : Thank you for your deep care for all of us and thank you all for your sharing 13:43:19 From mar : un profundo agradecimiento a tod@s por este evento auténtico y compasivo. un enorme abrazo a la traductora impecable! 13:43:22 From L to All panelists : Gracias por compartir! Que tengáis tod@s un bonito día futuros budas!! 13:43:31 From SR to All panelists : eu tbm G 13:43:35 From jD to All panelists : thank you... 13:43:41 From m to All panelists : bowing to you all, brilliant and loving team 13:43:42 From R to All panelists : muchas gracias a todos los que habéis hecho esto posible 13:43:44 From l to All panelists : tony. cynda and roshi , you are beautiful and with a light e kindness of soul . thank you a lot 13:43:48 From IK to All panelists : es tan cierto todo 13:43:48 From SM to All panelists : With deep appreciation. I found what I needed today :) 13:43:52 From MD : A big and warm hug from Chile 13:43:53 From BMP : Con muy buena traducción, muchas gracias. 13:43:54 From KL : Bows and gratitude to all. 13:43:54 From MC to All panelists : ha sido un maravillosos retiro espiritual !!! gracias gracias gracias por este amoroso regalo !! 13:44:01 From MM to All panelists : profundamente agradecida 13:44:35 From SM to All panelists : Gracias Nirakara, gracias Upaya a los panelistas, impecable traduccion 13:44:37 From GL to All panelists : Gracias por este espacio de humanidad compartida. 13:44:40 From y to All panelists : Muchas gracias a los tres, a Nirakara, a Upaya y a la traductora 13:44:43 From X to All panelists : Agradecer la Fantastica Traduccion simultanea sin perder la EMOCION; GENIAL 13:44:53 From B : Thank you to all for who you are and for the precious work you do. 13:44:59 From KG to All panelists : Thank you for helping us return to our original intentions and capacity for service. 13:44:59 From AC : ¡MUCHÍSIMAS GRACIAS A TOD@S L@S QUE HABÉIS HECHO POSIBLE ESTE ENCUENTRO, Y A L@S INTERPRETES! 13:45:00 From KK to All panelists : There are not enough words that can begin to express my deepest gratitude and appreciation for your work. BWD last year was life-changing for me and I continue to carry our time together and lessons I learned with me on a daily basis. I actually opened a book the other day and found my post-card that I wrote to myself and it moved me to tears. I pray that you continue to find peace and strength during these difficult times. I am sure that you all continue to work day-in and out to make this program so meaningful. I have been, and continue to be inspired by each of you daily. Thank you for sharing your insights and compassion with each of us today and every day. 13:45:01 From MTGP to All panelists : TODO SUFRIMIENTO ES PARTE DE LA VIDA, LA ENFERMEDAD TAMBIÉN, SEGÚN LAS ENSEÑANZAS DEL BUDA... 13:45:03 From CS : yes, keep our motivation in front of us --- our original motivation or calling, and our this day, today motivation for showing up at work 13:45:05 From JKJ : Thank you, dear team. 13:45:05 From AMA : Merci de tout mon Coeur Tony, Cynda, Roshi Joan, and to each one of you, our this Sunday August 2nd Upaya and the world Zoom community. 13:45:07 From P : agradecimiento grande a la traductora 13:45:12 From AG to All panelists : So very grateful to all!!!�� 13:45:23 From AW to All panelists : Deepest gratitude for this time together. 13:45:27 From CW to All panelists : Whole heartily thank-you Roshi Joan/Cynda/Tony for all your wisdom and sharing your life experience insights/knowledge and your love and care, Love and Good Blessings C 13:45:31 From cv to All panelists : gratitude 13:45:42 From SV to All panelists : Gracias. 13:45:42 From V to All panelists : gracias enormes por esta jornada maravillosa!!! 13:45:42 From SC : Si, gracias!! Un equipo precioso y comprometido 13:45:44 From MM : thank you, gracias, obrigada 13:45:45 From ME : Maríajo gracias por tu cálida, encantadora y fiel traducción!! 13:45:48 From mf to All panelists : armamos tribu 13:45:50 From T to All panelists : It all flowed from all of you to us as well 13:45:57 From MM : a deep, fresh, drink of water 13:45:58 From mf to All panelists : gracias por esto 13:45:58 From RF to All panelists : many thanks. I feel a lot of gratitude and expansión. Thank you for being vulnerable and genuine. I do not feel alone. Thank you for this great community and this shared humanity. 13:46:00 From GBS to All panelists : Thank you Roshi, Cynda and Tony for your beautiful teachings and sharing your wisdom...to ALL for making this space of Grace possible. 13:46:04 From tc : Tony, Thank you! 13:46:04 From MB to All panelists : Gracias a cada uno de uds por la generosidad de su entrega 13:46:10 From Tony Back : gwynn hello! 13:46:12 From V to All panelists : gracias querida MJ por tu traducción tan cálida y hermosa y tierna voz 13:46:14 From MTGP to All panelists : GRACIAS A TOD@S, POR EL ENCUENTRO!!! 13:46:19 From X to All panelists : NAMASTE , Rosi, Cinda Tony ....participantes 13:46:26 From B to All panelists : can we do this again in the future? 13:46:27 From am to All panelists : gratidão, gratidão de todo o coração por esse dia... grtidão aos apoios, a tradução, maravilhoso maravilhoso 13:46:28 From Tony Back : tc thank you! 13:46:29 From TOG to All panelists : Gratidão JP!❤ ��♂ � 13:46:32 From MD : Geacias a MJ!!!!! 13:46:35 From nr to All panelists : Gratitude in community with each of you -- remote yet joined in our hearts. 13:46:35 From SR to All panelists : gratitude!!!! 13:46:39 From m to All panelists : Obrigada! Pelos exemplos de posturas e atitudes diante do sofrimentos e dos seres com humildade e sabedoria. Ao Fabio e Jeanne obrigada 13:46:43 From BMP : Mucho ánimo para seguir avanzando en esta crisis, adelante se consigue. 13:46:46 From YCF to All panelists : Gracias a todos.. Que voz más linda y cálida tiene también la traductora 13:46:46 From MA : All my appreciation and gratitude to all here today! Deep gratitude to Roshi Joan, Cynda and Tony. Thank you! 13:46:46 From LFC to All panelists : Thank you! 13:46:52 From lf to All panelists : MUY AGRADECIDA.•• GRACIAS X EL AMOR Y LA CONTENCION. 13:46:55 From MM : thanks for the opportunity to participate and for your generosity to creat this space to learn and share � 13:47:00 From CJ to All panelists : Thank you for allowing me to heal today. 13:47:02 From tc : Thank you Cyndia! 13:47:03 From M : Muchas gracias por este momento ! Thankyou very much! 13:47:04 From CPES : Muchas gracias por vuestra generosidad.Muchas gracias a tod@s por hacer posible este maravilloso encuentro, y a la traductora por facilitarnos las valiosas aportaciones. 13:47:07 From PJ to All panelists : Gracias a la familia NIRAKARA 13:47:07 From MM : create 13:47:14 From LB : Muchas gracias por este precioso encuentro. 13:47:16 From RF to All panelists : GRACIAS Mjo!!!! Tu voz transmitio un monton!!! 13:47:18 From MS to All panelists : Thank you all for this profoundly nourishing session. 13:47:19 From KC to All panelists : Deepest gassho for todays teisho on loving kindness, the bodhisattva intention, the truth of suffering and the alleviation of it and transformation. 13:47:22 From PAZ to All panelists : Muchas gracias a todos, fue un gran regalo para ayudarnos a sostener 13:47:23 From Wendy : Amazing Nirakara team and translators �� 13:47:23 From PGM to All panelists : Thank you!!!!!!!!!! 13:47:24 From yfe to All panelists : Gracias!! 13:47:26 From Tony Back : gassho 13:47:28 From AN to All panelists : Gracias Nirakara por hacer posible este encuentro! 13:47:30 From MM to All panelists : Gracias a todos. Siempre Nirakara Gracias y MJo especial siempre 13:47:32 From MB to All panelists : Gracias!!!!!!!! 13:47:34 From AV to All panelists : Gracias ❤ 13:47:37 From S : thank you all for this incredible opportunity. I am so very grateful for this time and day and all the new tools I have heard about during this time together. big beauty tears are running down my cheeks. with love, S 13:47:37 From Kigaku : Please donate here: https://www.upaya.org/programs/donate.php?id=2346 13:47:38 From MFto All panelists : gracias inmensas desde Extremadura, España 13:47:39 From BMP : Gracias Niarakara 13:47:40 From HA : Much gratitude and deep bows for this offering! 13:47:40 From ST to All panelists : A deep bow of gratitude to each one of you for listening to our suffering, and offering your insight, cultivating our own self-reflection. My heart is expanding and I feel relieved enough to return to work tomorrow. 13:47:41 From TF to All panelists : gracias de corazon 13:47:41 From LB : A M José muchas gracias. 13:47:41 From DCVG to All panelists : GRACIAS INFINITAS DESDE EL CORAZON 13:47:41 From tc : Thank you Roshi Joan, deep bow thanks everybody~ 13:47:42 From CP to All panelists : De corazón, gracias 13:47:44 From TJS to All panelists : Foi Maravilhoso. Anotei tudo. Ficará guardado no caderno, na memória e no coração. Muito obrigada pela oportunidade de participar! Grande abraço para todos 13:47:46 From TE : Thank you for demonstrating the intense power of community. 13:47:47 From mlg : Gracias por vuestras enseñanzas. 13:47:47 From L : A heartfelt thank you from Madrid, you gave me a lot of tools to improve my well-being, as I have been feeling emotionally exhausted for a while now! 13:47:47 From Fabio Rodrigues (Brazil) to All panelists : Deep bow. Thank you. 13:47:49 From ME : Thanks Upaya, Nirakara!!! 13:47:51 From RB : thank you my first experience with you all, I will be back May we all have ease and grace 13:47:52 From PB : ������ 13:47:52 From ECB to All panelists : Muchísimas gracias x este encuentro!!! Ha sido maravilloso!!! Mis mejores deseos para todos vosotros!!! :) 13:47:53 From PM to All panelists : Gracias por vuestra generosidad, compartir otra mirada de sentir y hacer, tan amoroso y humano. Muy agradecida ☀ 13:47:54 From LFC to All panelists : valeu Je pela tradução !!! 13:47:57 From eb to All panelists : Thank you for sharing your hearts and active struggle in working toward the integrity of community. 13:48:02 From IO to All panelists : gracias por tanto 13:48:05 From MFto All panelists : Gracias a Nirakara por hacerlo posible 13:48:06 From CPES : Gracias a Nirakara por la invitación a participar en este amoroso encuentro. 13:48:13 From JS to All panelists : Gracias�� 13:48:17 From SA : Thank you so much, Roshi Joan, Tony, Cynda, and Wendy and Noah! With deep appreciation. May the wind be at the back of all. 13:48:18 From LB : Gracias a Nirakara. 13:48:19 From MSM to All panelists : Wonderful day. Thanks to all of you. 13:48:20 From Tony Back : gracias 13:48:25 From JMR to All panelists : Inmensa gratitud a esta experiencia, por sus conocimientos, sus vivencias y la conexion con todos, gracias a quien tradujo al español. 13:48:26 From ea : Heartfelt gratitude and blessings to one and all 13:48:27 From NW : deep bow and gratitude 13:48:29 From PE to All panelists : No tengo palabras para expresar lo infinitamente agradecida que estoy con todas y todos por este maravilloso evento. Abrazo gigante desde la Ciudad de México 13:48:31 From JMR to All panelists : Des El Salvador 13:48:37 From V to All panelists : Infinitas gracias a Nirakara 13:48:42 From JDZ : Gracias ���� 13:48:42 From S Berger to All panelists : gratitude to you all! 13:48:47 From FM : Thank you for this meeting. It feel very touched. Impecable la traducción al español !. Muchas gracias. 13:49:01 From MC to All panelists : Thank you very much. ��� May I get the link please to donate? 13:49:05 From MB to All panelists : thank yo so much everybody for such a rich and nourishing day 13:49:14 From n : thank you so much ❤ ��� 13:49:15 From BZ : Title of poem please? And thank you all… 13:49:17 From AH to All panelists : Thank you for this deeply compassionate experience. So much to think about. My self care will be the better for it. 13:49:25 From YCF to All panelists : Hermoso! 13:49:26 From mar : � 13:49:32 From EL : Thank you 13:49:38 From Wendy : Fences have been tied to it, nails driven into it, hacks and whittles cut in it, the lightning has burned it. There is no year it has flourished in that has not harmed it. There is a hollow in it that is its death, though its living brims whitely at the lip of the darkness and flows outward. Over all its scars has come the seamless white of the bark. It bears the gnarls of its history healed over. It has risen to a strange perfection in the warp and bending of its long growth. It has gathered all accidents into its purpose. It has become the intention and radiance of its dark fate. 13:49:39 From YCF to All panelists : Tittle?? 13:49:39 From CO to All panelists : � 13:49:39 From Kigaku : 553. The Sycamore - Wendell Berry 13:49:45 From Kigaku : http://inwardboundpoetry.blogspot.com/2007/12/553-sycamore- wendell-berry.html 13:49:50 From KK : Thank you everyone for the work you do and sharing such a powerful witness and it is a privilege to be a part of this larger, world-wide community. 13:49:52 From MW : Thank you all for this beautiful experience. 13:49:57 From lv : Thank you for a therapeutic discussion and giving me things to reflect upon! Thank You Tony, Roshi Joan and Cynda! 13:49:59 From nr : • • •_( )_ 13:50:03 From MC to All panelists : Thanks for the link 13:50:03 From jj : Thank you all so very much… 13:50:06 From TN to All panelists : Thank you. 13:50:06 From ts to All panelists : Thank you Roshi,Tony,Cynda and teams.its long and short night through 0:00to 6:00 in japan. I can do 13:50:09 From P to All panelists : Gracias desde España 13:50:10 From tc : <3 13:50:10 From VJ : Palms together!! 13:50:13 From SR to All panelists : gracias totales 13:50:13 From MGH : muchas GRACIAS a todos!! 13:50:15 From NCL to All panelists : So much gratitude. 13:50:19 From MM : Thank you.! 13:50:19 From RA to All panelists : ��� 13:50:19 From EH : Thank you all!! 13:50:20 From JdR to All panelists : infinitas gracias a todos 13:50:21 From EB to All panelists : Thank you everyone - deep bow of gratitude 13:50:21 From RB to All panelists : Thanks a lot! 13:50:21 From CO to All panelists : gracias �� 13:50:22 From if to All panelists : Gracias 13:50:22 From lk to All panelists : so grateful 13:50:23 From BB : Deep thanks 13:50:24 From DR to All panelists : So much gratitude and love. <3 13:50:26 From t to All panelists : ������ 13:50:27 From CBN to All panelists : Thank you everyone :) 13:50:29 From FM to All panelists : obrigada , gracias, thank you 13:50:29 From AA to All panelists : muito obrigada 13:50:30 From a to All panelists : gracias 13:50:32 From CC to All panelists : Profound gratitude !!!!! 13:50:33 From C to All panelists : thank you❤ 13:50:33 From Wendy : https://www.upaya.org/programs/donate.php?id=2346 13:50:33 From JR to All panelists : thank you 13:50:34 From S to All panelists : thank you����❣ 13:50:34 From JT to All panelists : thank you! 13:50:35 From K to All panelists : Thank you for your love and care 13:50:35 From SR to All panelists : grata querida Jeanne Philli 13:50:36 From M to All panelists : gracias por su entrega y amor 13:50:37 From EB to All panelists : deep bow 13:50:40 From lg : thank you all! 13:50:42 From YY : Gracias por sus valiosas enseñanzas, esperamos verlos pronto de nuevo 13:50:43 From IP to All panelists : un abrazo agradecido!! 13:50:43 From MJ to All panelists : Gracias a todos!!! 13:50:45 From Wendy : Donation link https://www.upaya.org/programs/donate.php?id=2346 thank you. 13:50:48 From ME : Gracias Silvia!!