Volume III Monday No. 10 19th June, 1961

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT

(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS ADMINISTRATION OF OATH [Col. 943] ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Mr. SPEAKER: The Yang di-Pertuan Agong's Reply to Address [Col. 943] The Hon'ble Dato' Suleiman bin Dato' Haji Abdul Rahman, P.M.N.—Leave [Col. 944] Message from the Senate [Col. 944; Col. 946] Assent to Bills [Col. 945] BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE: Notice of Bills [Col. 946] ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 947] BILLS PRESENTED [Col. 950] MOTIONS: Waktu Persidangan Meshuarat (Hours of Sitting of the House) [Col. 952] The Revised Edition of the Laws (Draft) Order, 1961 [Col. 964] Mengadakan Undang2 Melarang Pekerja2 Bukan Warga Negara Persekutuan (Employment of non-Federal Citizens) [Col. 967] Internal Security Act, 1960 (Arrest and detention of Socialist Front Leaders and Trade Union Workers) [Col. 993] Malayan Troops in the Congo [Col. 1024] BILLS: The Federation Light Dues (Amendment) Bill [Col. 956] The Rubber Industry (Replanting) Fund (Amendment) Bill [Col. 958] The Treasury Bills and Deposit Receipts (Amendment) Bill [Col. 963] ADJOURNMENT SPEECH: Federal Citizenship—Certification; Drought and Conditions of Living—Kuala Selangor Area [Col. 1037] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 1043]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, PEMANGKU PENCHETAK KERAJAAN PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962 FEDERATION OF MALAYA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

Official Report

Third Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat

Monday, 19th June, 1961 The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Speaker, DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR. ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. ( Timor). the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' , J.P. (Melaka Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungai Siput). the Minister of Transport, DATO' SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minister of Health and Social Welfare, DATO' , P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan). the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting, TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N. (Johor Tenggara). the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Assistant Minister of Rural Development, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' V. MANICKA- VASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai). 19 JUNE 1961 940 m

The Honourable ENCHE ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN (Krian Laut). ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungai Patani). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat). TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat). ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). DR. BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut). ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta). ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar). ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN ( Timor). ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar). DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara). ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar). ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara). ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling). ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah). TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD (Kuala Treng­ ganu Utara). TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat). ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Melaka Selatan). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara). CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungun). ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gajah). ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON ( Utara). ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim). ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang). ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG (Alor Star). DR. LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). 19 JUNE 1961 942

The Honourable ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang). ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol). ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak). ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAH MUDA (Pasir Puteh). ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD. ALI (Kuala Selangor). ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak). DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, PJ.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu). ENCHE' MOHAMED SULONG BIN MOHD. ALI, J.M.N. (Lipis). ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah). TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID (Rembau-Tampin). ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai). ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sabak Bernam). ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong). ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru). TENGKU BESAR INDERA RAJA IBNI AL-MARHUM SULTAN IBRAHIM, D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan). DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG. D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan). ENCHE' TOO JOON HING (Telok Anson). ENCHE' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan). WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman). ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh). ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas). PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S. (Pontian Selatan). TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB (Langat). ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok). ABSENT: The Honourable DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Minister without Portfolio) (Muar Selatan) (on leave). the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' ABDUL AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat). the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). 943 19 JUNE 1961 9441

The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.MJ. ( Barat). ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat). ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir). DATO' ONN BIN JA'AFAR, D.K., D.P.M J. (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat). ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir). ENCHE' YONG Woo MING (Sitiawan).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Minister of Justice, TUN LEONG YEW KOH, S.M.N.

di-bandar dengan beberapa PRAYERS selamat dan kesejahteraan-nya. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Wa ba'adah, Beta ma'alumkan warkah Dato' bertarikh 3 haribulan May, 1961, ADMINISTRATION menyembahkan uchapan terima kaseh Dewan Ra'ayat kapada Beta itu telah selamat-lah OF OATH Beta terima dengan sukachita-nya. Beta me- nguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Dato' dan The following Member made and sekalian Ahli Dewan atas ingatan muhibbah subscribed the Affirmation required by dan ikhlas yang telah di-sembahkan itu. Law : Demikian-lah sahaja Beta ma'alumkan, ada-nya." Enche' Too Joon Hing, for Telok Anson. THE HONOURABLE DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.—LEAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS BY Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya hendak MR. SPEAKER ma'alumkan kapada Majlis ini ia-itu THE YANG DI-PERTUAN pada menjalankan kuasa yang di-serah- kan kapada saya menurut ketetapan AGONG'S REPLY TO ADDRESS Majlis yang di-putuskan dalam meshu- Mr. Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, arat pada 25 haribulan April, 1961, saya telah menerima satu perutusan saya telah benarkan chuti kapada bertarikh 5 haribulan May, 1961, dari- Dato' Suleiman bin Dato' Haji Abdul pada Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Rahman sa-lama 2 tahun, menurut Paduka Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Artikal 52 dalam Perlembagaan Agong. Saya bachakan perutusan-nya. Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. "Warakatul-ikhlas daripada Beta Syed Putra ibni Almarhum Syed Hassan Jamalullail, Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Perseku- MESSAGE FROM THE tuan Tanah Melayu. SENATE Mudah-mudahan barang di-wasalkan oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, saya telah Rabbul 'alamin ka-majlis Yang Berhormat Dato' Haji Mohamed Noah bin Omar, menerima perutusan bertarikh 3 hari- S.P.MJ., P.I.S., J.P., Yang di-Pertua Dewan bulan May, 1961, daripada Yang di- Ra'ayat, Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang ada Pertua Dewan Negara berkenaan 945 19 JUNE 1961 946 dengan urusan2 yang tertentu yang (3) The Loan (Local) Bill. telah di-hantar oleh Majlis ini bagai (4) The Local Government Elec- di-setujukan oleh Dewan Negara. Seka- tions (Amendment) Bill. rang saya perentahkan Setia-Usaha (5) The Life Insurance Companies Majlis membachakan perutusan itu kapada Majlis ini. (Amendment) Bill. (The Clerk reads the message) "Mr. Speaker, MESSAGE FROM THE The Senate has agreed to the follow- SENATE ing Bills without amendment: 2 (1) to amend the Corrosive and Mr. Speaker: Ahli Yang Berhormat, saya hendak ma'alumkan kapada Explosive Substances and Majlis ini ia-itu saya telah menerima Offensive Weapons Ordinance, suatu perutusan bertarikh 3 haribulan 1958; May, 1961, daripada Yang di-Pertua (2) to authorise the borrowing of a Dewan Negara mema'alumkan ia-itu sum not exceeding the sum of Majlis Dewan Negara telah meluluskan sixty million dollars in order Rang Undang2 dan menghantar Rang to finance the payment of the Undang2 itu kapada Majlis ini bagai share of the Federation in the di-persetujukan. Saya jemput Setia- Buffer Stock to be established Usaha Majlis membachakan perutusan under Article VIII of the itu kapada Majlis ini. International Tin Agreement, 1960, and for purposes inci- (The Clerk reads the message) dental thereto; "Mr. Speaker, (3) to authorise a sum not exceeding The Senate has passed the following one hundred million dollars at Bills: any one time to be raised in the Federation by way of (1) To amend the Penal Code, loan; (2) To amend the Criminal Pro- (4) to amend the Local Govern- cedure, ment Elections Act, 1960; (3) To amend the Election Offences (5) to amend the Life Assurance Ordinance, 1954, Companies Ordinance, 1948. and transmits them to the House of Representatives for its concurrence. (Sd.) DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN (Sd.) DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHD. YASIN, MOHD. YASIN, President". President".

ASSENT TO BILLS BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Mr. Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, (Notice of Bills) saya hendak ma'alumkan kapada Majlis ini ia-itu Duli Yang Maha THE PENAL CODE (AMEND- Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda Yang MENT) BILL di-Pertuan Agong, pada 19 haribulan THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE May, 1961, telah menyatakan perse- CODES (AMENDMENT) BILL tujuan-nya kapada Rang Undang2 yang tersebut di-bawah ini yang telah THE ELECTION OFFENCES di-luluskan baharu2 ini oleh kedua2 (AMENDMENT) BILL Majlis Parlimen. The Minister of Internal Security (1) The Corrosive and Explosive (Dato' Dr. Ismail): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Substances and Offensive I beg to give notice of the second and Weapons (Amendment) Bill. subsequent readings of the Penal Code (2) The Loan (International Tin (Amendment) Bill, the Criminal Proce- Buffer Stock) Bill. dure Codes (Amendment) Bill and the 947 19 JUNE 1961 948

Election Offences (Amendment) Bill at Dalam Negeri yang telah menyediakan the next meeting of this House. kata2 atau perkataan2 hukuman kawad bagi kegunaan tentera dan pulis dalam Mr. Speaker: So be it. bahasa kebangsaan. Perchubaan untok menggunakan perkataan2 hukuman kawad ini sedang di-jalankan dalam ORAL ANSWERS TO bahasa kebangsaan dan hasil per- QUESTIONS chubaan itu dengan sa-chepat mungkin akan di-lanjutkan ka-Dewan Bahasa BURONG KEBANGSAAN, PERSE- dan Pustaka supaya mendapat per- KUTUAN TANAH MELAYU setujuan. 1. Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara) bertanya kapada Perdana KEMAJUAN BAHASA Menteri ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang KEBANGSAAN hendak memileh sa-ekor burong jadi burong kebangsaan Persekutuan Tanah 4. Enche' Aziz bin Ishak bertanya Melayu. kapada Menteri Pelajaran ada-kah pehak Dewan Bahasa telah mengukor The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- kemajuan di-dalam pemakaian Bahasa Pertua, belum lagi ada chadangan hen- Kebangsaan di-semua lapangan di-Per- dak di-namakan apa nama burong sekutuan Tanah Melayu. kebangsaan bagi Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini. The Minister of Education (Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, belum ada lagi penye- TANAH PEJABAT CONSUL lidekan telah di-lakukan oleh Dewan PERSEKUTUAN Bahasa dan Pustaka, walau pun Dewan 2. Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya Bahasa telah giat menegakkan dan me- kapada Menteri Luar ada-kah Kerajaan ngembangkan penggunaan bahasa Ke- berchadang hendak membeli tanah bangsaan di-dalam semua lapangan awam, akan tetapi persetujuan dengan tapak untok Pejabat Consul Perse- 2 kutuan di-Manila. Jabatan Kerajaan dan satu Jawatan- Kuasa telah di-dirikan untok mem- The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- bentok dan mengukor sa-takat mana- Pertua, belum lagi ada chadangan hen- kah penggunaan bahasa kebangsaan itu dak membeli tanah di-Manila untok di-kalangan Jabatan2 Kerajaan telah Consul kita di-sana, tetapi sekarang ini dapat di-laksanakan. Kerajaan ada-lah menimbangkan hen- dak membeli rumah yang telah sedia itu untok Duta kita di-Manila. DAILY PRESS SUMMARY 5. Enche' Ahmad Boestamam (Setapak) KATA2 PERENTAH ANGKATAN bertanya kapada Perdana Menteri apa- BERSENJATA DAN PULIS kah maksud dan tujuan Kerajaan mengeluarkan "Daily Press Summary" 3. Enche Aziz bin Ishak (Muar yang di-terbitkan oleh Jabatan Penera- Dalam) bertanya kapada Menteri ngan. Pertahanan sudah-kah Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka menterjemahkan ka-dalam The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- Bahasa Kebangsaan kata2 perentah Pertua, tujuan Kerajaan mengeluarkan yang di-gunakan oleh Angkatan ber- pelan rengkas ia-itu Daily Press Sum- mary ia-lah untok pengetahuan pegawai2 senjata dan Pasokan Pulis, jika sudah, 2 bila terjemahan2 akan di-gunakan. Kerajaan di-atas apa yang telah di- keluarkan oleh akhbar2; dan supaya The Deputy Prime Minister and di-beri peluang kapada pegawai2 Kera- Minister of Defence (Tun Haji Abdul jaan mengetahui apa-kah yang di- Razak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kemen- sebutkan dalam akhbar2 supaya dapat terian Pertahanan tetap berunding di-perbetulkan tentang mana yang di- dengan Kementerian Keselamatan kehendaki dan juga supaya menjawab 949 19 JUNE 1961 950 apa2 perkara yang patut di-jawab. Itu- Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Me- lah tujuan Kerajaan yang besar ngapa-kah sejak 5 haribulan yang lepas mengeluarkan Daily Press Summary chatetan2 Utusan Melayu tidak di- itu. siarkan. The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- 6. Enche' Ahmad Boestamam bertanya 2 kapada Perdana Menteri apa-kah Pertua, tidak ada apa yang mustahak sebab-nya maka "Daily Press Sum- dalam Kementerian ini hendak menge- mary" itu di-chetak di-dalam bahasa tahui-nya (Ketawa). Inggeris dan tidak di-dalam Bahasa Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Tidak- Kebangsaan. kah kerana surat khabar itu terlalu The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- atau banyak menentang politik Kera- Pertua, "Daily Press Summary" itu jaan. ada-lah di-keluarkan pada masa Kera- Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Sir, jaan British dahulu. Jadi dalam masa what does the Prime Minister consider Merdeka ini kita pun pakai ikut apa to be important news? yang telah di-atorkan, jadi tidak ada apa2 perubahan melainkan di-siarkan The Prime Minister: Mr. Speaker, dalam bahasa Inggeris juga. Sekarang Sir, what is important in the opinion of ini Pejabat Penerangan hendak menge- members of Government will be inclu- luarkan Mingguan pula dalam Bahasa ded in the Daily Press Summary. Kebangsaan ia-itu bahasa Melayu. 7. Enche' Ahmad Boestamam bertanya BILLS PRESENTED kapada Perdana Menteri ada-kah "Daily Press Summary" itu mengan- THE REMUNERATION OF dongi rengkasan ulasan2 semua surat2 JUDGES BILL khabar tempatan yang di-terbitkan di- Bill to amend and consolidate the dalam bahasa Inggeris, Melayu, China law providing for the remuneration of dan Tamil atau hanya mengandongi 2 2 the Judges of the Supreme Court; ulasan surat khabar yang tertentu sahaja. presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- time at a subsequent sitting. Pertua, "Daily Press Summary" itu ada-lah di-petek daripada akhbar2 dari LICENSED LAND SURVEYORS 2 semua bahasa saperti akhbar China, (AMENDMENT) BILL Inggeris, Melayu dan Tamil. Bill to amend the Licensed Land Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad Surveyors Ordinance, 1958; presented (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, by the Assistant Minister of Rural sunggoh pun dalam semua bahasa, ada- Development; read the first time; to kah Kerajaan menetapkan satu2 dasar be read a second time at a subsequent di-dalam perkara kemasokan dalam sitting. Press Summary itu. The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- THE LOAN (LOCAL) (AMEND- Pertua, sa-benar-nya benda2 yang MENT) BILL mustahak sahaja. Kadang2 ada juga 2 Bill to amend the Loan (Local) terlajak sadikit apa yang di-fikirkan Ordinance, 1959; presented by the perlu. Minister of Finance; read the first Enche' Ahmad Boestamam: Tuan time; to be read a second time at a Yang di-Pertua, ada-kah surat khabar subsequent meeting. di-Malaya yang di-anak-tirikan dalam Press Summary itu? THE SECOND-HAND DEALERS The Prime Minister: Tuan Yang di- (AMENDMENT) BILL Pertua, kita tidak menganak-tirikan Bill to amend the Second-Hand walau siapa pun. Dealers Ordinance, 1946; presented by 951 19 JUNE 1961 952

the Minister of the Interior; read the THE APPRAISERS (EXTENSION first time; to be read a second time at TO PERLIS) BILL a subsequent meeting. Bill to extend the Appraisers Enact- ment of the to THE TREASURY BILLS (LONDON) the State of Perlis; presented by the (REPEAL) BILL Minister of the Interior; read the first Bill to repeal the Treasury Bills time; to be read a second time at a (London) Ordinance, 1949; presented subsequent meeting. by the Minister of Finance; read the first time; to be read a second time at a subsequent sitting. THE ADVOCATES AND SOLI- CITORS (AMENDMENT) BILL THE SUPPLEMENTARY SUPPLY Bill to amend the law relating to BILL Advocates and Solicitors; presented by the Minister of the Interior; read the Bill to apply sums out of the Con- first time; to be read a second time at solidated Fund for additional expendi- a subsequent meeting. ture for the service of the years 1960 and 1961, to appropriate such sums for certain purposes and to provide for the replacement of amounts advanced from MOTIONS the Contingencies Fund; presented by the Minister of Finance; read the first WAKTU PERSIDANGAN time; to be read a second time at a MESHUARAT subsequent sitting. The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun Haji Abdul Razak): Tuan Yang di- TOWN BOARDS (AMENDMENT) Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan : BILL Ia-itu menurut sharat2 perenggan (1) dalam Peratoran Meshuarat 12, Majlis ini memeren- Bill to amend the Town Boards tahkan ia-itu tiap2 sidangan dalam meshuarat Enactment of the Federated Malay sekarang akan di-mulakan pada pukul 10 States and of the State of Johore; pagi dan had Juma'at pada pukul 9.30 pagi presented by the Minister of the dan jika meshuarat tidak di-tanggohkan terdahulu daripada itu, akan di-jalankan Interior; read the first time; to be read sa-hingga pukul 1 tengah hari, dan daripada a second time at a subsequent sitting. pukul 8.30 malam hingga pukul 10.30 malam atau pada bila2 hari di-keluarkan usul menanggohkan meshuarat menurut Peratoran THE TROPICAL FISH CULTURE Meshuarat 17, sa-hingga pukul 11.00 malam, dan untok maksud2 peratoran demikian, RESEARCH INSTITUTE BILL sharat2— Bill to provide for the reconstitution (a) Perenggan (1) dan (2) dalam Peratoran of the Tropical Fish Culture Institute Meshuarat 16 dan perenggan (4) dalam Peratoran Meshuarat 18 at Batu Berendam in the State of 2 Malacca, for the incorporation of the hendak-lah di-fahamkan sa-olah kalimah "pukul 4.30 petang" itu Board of Management thereof, and for ma'ana-nya pukul 10.30 malam. matters incidental thereto; presented by (b) Perenggan (4) dalam Peratoran the Minister of Health and Social Wel- Meshuarat 17 hendak-lah di-faham- fare; read the first time; to be read a kan sa-olah2 kalimah "pukul 5 second time at a subsequent meeting. petang" itu ma'ana-nya pukul 11.00 malam, dan, (c) Perenggan (3) dalam Peratoran THE PREVENTION OF Meshuarat 18 hendak-lah di-faham- kan sa-olah2 kalimah "pukul 2.30 CORRUPTION BILL petang" itu ma'ana-nya pukul 8.30 Bill to provide for the more effectual malam. prevention of corruption; presented by Melainkan hari Thalatha 20 haribulan June, 1961, persidangan Dewan ini the Minister of Internal Security; read akan di-mulakan pada pukul 10.30 the first time; to be read a second pagi dan akan di-jalankan sa-hingga time at a subsequent meeting. pukul 11 malam. 953 19 JUNE 1961 954 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam persi- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not think it dangan Dewan ini yang lalu saya telah would be necessary for this House to membentangkan usul yang sa-rupa ini adopt as a permanent feature late juga dengan tujuan hendak mengada- sittings, or sittings at night, because kan perchubaan mengubah atoran this House is not in continuous session masa persidangan Dewan ini. Saya as some parliaments in other countries; dapati dalam perchubaan yang pertama and I think the business of this House itu ada faedah-nya dan di-chuba sa- should be conducted in a manner kali lagi pada persidangan yang ada which would cause the least incon- ini, sebab itu pehak Kerajaan hendak venience to its Members. If we could membentangkan usul ini sa-kali lagi conveniently dispose of the business of dan dalam usul ini ada satu perubahan this House during working hours, then sahaja ia-itu tempoh di-tanggohkan it should be done. I understand that the meshuarat pada kali yang lalu ia-lah reason originally given for introducing pukul 11.00 malam, pada kali ini saya this new procedure was that it would menchadangkan pada pukul 10.30 give Ministers an opportunity to carry malam sahaja, oleh sebab pada masa out their duties after 1 p.m. I feel, Sir, yang lalu sa-belum di-adakan perato- that in view of the short sittings of ran baharu ini Dewan ini tiap2 hari this House, that reason is not valid bersidang sa-lama 5 jam sahaja. Jadi reason, because Ministers are provided dengan itu di-fikirkan patut-lah di- amply with Assistant Ministers and, teruskan lama masa persidangan ini in turn, with Secretaries and Assistant dan dengan yang demikian tiap2 sidang Secretaries and so on; and I am sure ta' payah di-ubah masa-nya, dan saya that if for a week or 10 days Ministers menchadangkan sadikit pindaan di- devote some time to this House their sini ia-itu oleh sebab pada hari Tha- work will not be seriously affected. In latha pada pukul 10.00 pagi Duli Yang so far as the Government Party is Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda concerned, perhaps these late sittings Yang di-Pertuan Agong akan meng- will not affect them very much, because ishtiharkan pembukaan Dewan Latehan the same Members need not attend the Tentera, Sungai Besi dan di-sebabkan House every night—they have got a Menteri2 terpaksa hadhir dalam pem- sufficiently large number of Members bukaan itu maka terpaksa di-tanggoh- to attend in relay—but we here are kan sa-tengah jam kerana termasha limited in numbers and it requires our itu di-mulakan kira2 pukul 9 pagi dan presence here every night until mid- di-fikirkan akan habis pada pukul night and that would be rather a 10.00. strain, although we would not hesitate to sit late at night if it were necessary. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon But I feel that it would not be mengemukakan chadangan ini. necessary. And quite apart from all that, I think if adopted as a permanent The Minister of the Interior (Dato' feature, it would also seriously affect Dr. Ismail): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya our nocturnal activities which we are menyokong. entitled to. {Laughter).

Mr. Speaker: The motion is now Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Mr. Spea- open to debate. ker, Sir, as I have explained when moving this same motion at the Enche' S. P. Seenivasagam (Meng- last sitting of this House, it is not yet lembu): Mr. Speaker, Sir, although for intended to be a permanent feature for the present sitting we have not got any this House, but rather as an experi- strong, views on this motion, we would ment. That is why it is not proposed like to make it clear that it should not at this stage to move an amendment to be construed as if we would support the Standing Rules and Orders. When a motion of this nature, or an amend- after a few experiments, if we find that ment to the Standing Rules to bring it is necessary to make this arrange- this procedure up as a permanent ment a permanent feature, then, of feature in this House. course, Honourable Members of this 955 19 JUNE 1961 956 House will have ample apportunity to BILLS debate on the matter. I would like to explain again, Sir, in view of the THE FEDERATION LIGHT DUES remarks made by the Honourable (AMENDMENT) BILL Member for Menglembu, that at the sittings of the House not only Minis- Second Reading ters and Assistant Ministers are present The Minister of Transport (Dato' but also civil servants are in atten- Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Dato' Yang dance, including Secretaries and others. di-Pertua, izinkan saya menchadangkan That is why if there is a long sitting supaya Rang Undang2 yang bertajok of this House, we members of the Undang2 bagi meminda Federation Government find it very difficult to Light Dues Ordinance, 1953, di-bacha- carry out the ordinary business of kan bagi kali yang kedua. Government, which as Honourable Members are aware, has to be carried Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Persekutuan out during normal office hours. I do Tanah Melayu telah menyetujui Con- not know about the external activities vention yang bernama "Convention of Honourable Members, but we have on Territorial Sea and Contiguous no strong views about those {Laughter). Zone" dan persetujuan ini telah di- But we in the Government are anxious beri tahu kapada, dan di-terima oleh, that while Parliament is sitting the Tuan Setia-Usaha Agong, Pertubohan ordinary business of Government is Bangsa2 Bersatu. Perkara 18 di-dalam promptly carried out at the same time. Convention tersebut menegah bayaran lampu di-kenakan ka-atas kapal2 yang 2 Question put, and agreed to. hanya melalui kawasan perayeran satu Negeri; tetapi section 3, Federation Light Dues Ordinance, 1953, pada Resolved, masa ini memberi kuasa boleh menge- la-itu menurut sharat2 perenggan (1) dalam nakan bayaran sa-umpama itu ka-atas Peratoran Meshuarat 12, Majlis ini memeren- kapal2 yang masok ka-daiam kawasan tahkan ia-itu tiap2 sidangan dalam meshuarat sekarang akan di-mulakan pada pukul 10 pagi perayeran Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. dan hari Juma'at pada pukul 9.30 pagi dan Oleh itu, maksud utama Rang Un- jika meshuarat tidak di-tanggohkan terdahulu 2 daripada itu, akan di-jalankan sa-hingga dang ini ia-lah mempersaembangkan pukul 1 tengah hari, dan daripada pukul Ordinance kita mengenai perkara ini, 8.30 malam hingga pukul 10.30 malam atau 2 dengan kehendak Convention tersebut; pada bila hari di-keluarkan usul menanggoh- Fasal 2 dan 3 berchadang menghadkan kan meshuarat menurut Peratoran Meshuarat 2 17, sa-hingga pukul 11.00 malam, dan untok bayaran lampu kapada kapal yang maksud2 peratoran demikian sharat2— masok ka-satu2 pelabohan atau tempat di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu, ter- (a) Perenggan (l).dan (2) dalam Peratoran 2 Meshuarat 16 dan perenggan (4) ta'alok pula kapada kechualian yang dalam Peratoran Meshuarat 18 ada di-terangkan di-dalam section 3 (3) hendak-lah di-fahamkan sa-olah2 di-bawah Fasal 3 Rang Undang2 kalimah "pukul 4.30 petang" itu ma'ana-nya pukul 10.30 malam. itu. Section 3 (3) di-dalam Rang Un- dang2 ini, sa-lain daripada pindaan2 (b) Perenggan (4) dalam Peratoran yang patut di-buat mengikut keadaan Meshuarat 17 hendak-lah di-faham- 2 masa serta tambahan di-paragraph (e) kan sa-olah kalimah "pukul 5 yang membolehkan Menteri menambah petang" itu ma'ana-nya pukul 11.00 2 malam, dan, kechualian apabila di-kehendaki, ada- lah sa-rupa dengan section 3 (3) yang (c) Perenggan (3) dalam Peratoran ada sekarang ini. Meshuarat 18 hendak-lah di-faham- 2 kan sa-olah kalimah "pukul 2.30 Di-samping itu, di-chadangkan juga petang" itu ma'ana-nya pukul 8.30 malam. dalam Fasal 4, supaya section 6 Ordi- nance yang ada itu di-pinda supaya Melainkan hari Thalatha 20 haribulan di-terangkan bahawa Light Dues Fund June, 1961, persidangan Dewan ini boleh di-gunakan untok membena akan di-mulakan pada pukul 10.30 2 2 2 2 pagi dan akan di-jalankan sa-hingga rumah api, boya , beacon dan lain pukul 11 malam. alat yang sa-umpama-nya, untok me- 957 19 JUNE 1961 958 nyenangkan pelayaran, serta juga untok THE RUBBER INDUSTRY (RE- belanja pemeliharaan dan pembaikan, PLANTING) FUND (AMEND- dan segala perbelanjaan Fund tersebut MENT) BILL di-bayar daripada wang Fund itu. Untok mengelakkan keraguan, kedua2 Second Reading pindaan ini di-sifatkan berjalan kuat- The Minister of Commerce and kuasa-nya pada hari Ordinance itu Industry (Enche' Mohamed Khir bin berjalan kuat-kuasa-nya. Johari): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to Akhir sa-kali ada-lah di-chadangkan move that a Bill intituled "The Rubber dalam Fasal 5, bahawa kuasa bagi Industry (Replanting) Fund (Amend- melepaskan daripada bayaran di- ment) Act, 1961," be read a second sebabkan oleh kesusahan, di-beri ka- time. pada Menteri, tidak kapada Pengarah Sir, the Bill provides for a number Laut. of amendments to the Rubber Industry Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon (Replanting) Fund Ordinance, 1952, menchadangkan. which in the light of experience, are found to be necessary. The objects and The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan reasons for these amendments are set Siew Sin): Sir, I beg to second the out in the Explanatory Statement, but motion. I will explain them in greater detail Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad here. (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya The purpose of the amendment in tidak hendak berchakap panjang ber- clause 2 is to enable the Minister to kenaan dengan Bill ini. Tetapi saya appoint the five smallholders' represen- mushkil kerana pembachaan yang tatives on the Rubber Industry di-lakukan oleh Menteri Yang Ber- (Replanting) Board. At present these hormat tadi "perayaan", jadi menye- appointments are made by the Rubber babkan saya tidak faham maksud-nya. Producers' Council on the nomination Saya perchaya tujuan-nya "perayeran". of the Council of Malayan Small- Dan lagi ia silap terjemah "menggalak- holders' Association, but it is generally kan"; yang sa-benar-nya dalam bahasa known that the Council of Malayan Inggeris "avoid confusion" itu "meng- Smallholders' Association is not fully elakkan". Jadi perkara ini ta' patut representative of all the smallholders di-masok dan di-rekodkan dalam Parli- in the country. Moreover, recent events men ini (Ketawa). have shown that the Council of Dato' Sardon bin Haji Jubir: Tuan Malayan Smallholders' Association has Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan banyak not been very effective and until such terima kaseh kapada Ahli Yang Ber- time as this Council can show that it hormat yang mengingatkan perkataan could represent all, or at least an over- itu. Yang sa-benar-nya, saya ta' perasan whelming majority of the rubber bunyi perkataan2 itu (Ketawa). Yang smallholders in the country, it is neces- sa-benar-nya, itu-lah perkataan-nya. sary for the Minister responsible for Question put, and agreed to. the rubber industry in the interests of the smallholders as a whole to make Bill accordingly read a second time the appointments. The various bodies and committed to a Committee of the representing smallholders' interests in whole House. the country will no doubt be consulted House immediately resolved itself before the appointments are made, but into a Committee on the Bill. the final decision on the choice will Bill considered in Committee. rest with the Minister. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) The proposed amendment in clause 3 is to enable the Minister to give the Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to final decision on any matter concerning stand part of the Bill. the administration of Fund "B". At Bill reported without amendment: present the Minister has the authority read the third time and passed. to decide on any matter concerning 959 19 JUNE 1961 960 any scheme approved under Part III planting Schemes, the last date for of the Ordinance, i.e. schemes financed replanting or new planting is the 30th from the $280 million provided by day of June, 1962. As the main Government for the benefit of the planting season is normally during the Rubber Industry. The authority, how- last quarter of each calendar year, the ever, does not extend to schemes effect of providing for the 30th June, affecting Fund "B" (i.e. schemes 1962, as the last date for replanting financed from the replanting cess). It or new planting is virtually to make is considered essential that the Minister 1961 the last year for estates to responsible for the industry should replant or new plant in order to also be given the authority to have the qualify for financial assistance. This, final say on any matter concerning however, was not the intention as any Fund "B". rubber replanted or new planted during the calendar year 1962 can qualify for The proposed amendment in clause 4 financial assistance as it does not take is to require the Rubber Industry more than 5 years for payments of (Replanting) Fund Board to invest the grants to be completed. It is also laid monies of the Fund, other than working down in the Ordinance that the last balances, in securities issued by the date for payment of any grants is the Government, or in which other securi- 31st December, 1967. In order to ties as may be approved by the enable estates to replant or new plant Minister of Finance. At present, the at any time in 1962 and still be monies in the Rubber Industry (Re- eligible for financial assistance it is planting) Fund are invested at the sole necessary for the last date by which discretion of the Rubber Industry estates should replant or new plant to (Replanting) Board. Although the be changed from the 30th day of June, Board is legally entitled to invest the monies of the Fund wherever it likes, 1962 to the 31st day of December, the position at present is that out of 1962. a total of about $180 million in the Sir, I beg to move. Fund, except for about $8 million, the bulk of the monies is at present The Minister of Finance (Enche' invested in 3-5 year Treasury deposit Tan Siew Sin): Sir, I beg to second the receipts and short-term Treasury bills. motion. This amendment seeks to legalise the present position with regard to these Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong): funds. Moreover, Government consi- Mr. Speaker, Sir, We have heard the ders that it is in the national interest Honourable the Minister of Commerce that all monies in the Fund surplus to and Industry explaining to us in some the immediate requirements of the detail as to his reasons for making Board should be invested in Federation the amendments. However, I must Government securities, or in any such point out here that his explanation, other securities as may be approved by with regard to the five representatives the Minister of Finance. Provision, how- of smallholders to be appointed by the ever, has been made to enable the Minister, is by no means very convin- Board to invest sums not exceeding $8 cing. Apart from assurances that million at any one time on fixed members of the Smallholders' Associa- deposits in commercial banks to meet tion will be consulted, we on this the short-term commitments of the side of the House would like to hear of Board. more definite assurances that in making such appointments, genuine consulta- The proposed amendment in clause tion is made and that representatives 5 of the Bill is necessitated by the fact are appointed because of their merits that replanting is normally carried out and for no other reasons. We say this during the last quarter of the calendar because we have seen instances of year. The Third Schedule to the Ordi- appointments to various Boards in the nance provides that in order for estates past, and most of the appointments to qualify for fiinancial assistance have been made, in our opinion, purely under the Government Rubber Re- on political grounds. We do not like to 961 19 JUNE 1961 962 see a person appointed to the Rubber public that certain Banks are given Replanting Board for the simple reason deposits because they have some that he is a political supporter of the political influence with the Govern- Government. Sir, I see no reason as to ment. I am sure it is not the intention why, after so many years, the Minister of the Government to be smeared in still says that the Association of small- this manner; the Government may holders is not representative. I feel that have perfectly good intention as to it is the duty of the Minister concerned why it will deposit money in certain to encourage the growth of such Banks and not in others; but unless organisation. After all, if the Small- it has some strict rules and regulations holders' Association is badly organised, in respect of deposits, as to the manner I think it should be the duty of the in which the deposits should be made, Minister to assist it in whatever way it will create a suspicion in the minds he considers fit so as to make the of the public. If the Government has Association fully representative—by certain rules and regulations, there will assistance and by other means. I be no favourtism and nobody will would also like to say, apart from quarrel with it, since the money will vague assurances of consultation, that be deposited strictly in accordance some definite scheme be put forward with the regulations. As it is, the and that such Associations be asked to Minister has given no clarification as nominate people. Perhaps, smallholders to the manner how these deposits are as such may be asked individually to to be made. nominate people to represent them, and Sir, in the light of my explanation, some sort of elections should be I feel that this is most undesirable conducted, so that whoever is appoin- and something must be done in this ted will be truly representative of all regard. Therefore, in the light of what smallholders. If it is left as it is, I have said, I shall be very glad if the I am afraid there is no safeguard Minister can give us greater clarifica- whatsoever and there is nothing to tion as to the deposit of such funds. stop political considerations coming in. Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, Secondly, on the question of amend- Sir, I would like to reply to the ment to section 8 of the Principal remarks of the Honourable Member Ordinance whereby a sum not exceed- for Tanjong in regard to possible abuse ing $8 million at any one time on by the Government of the powers given deposit with any Bank in the Federa- in Clause 4 of the Bill. If he had taken tion is being provided—and apart the trouble to read Clause 4 carefully, from the explanation that this $8 he will have noticed that all this million will be used purely for deposits Clause seeks to do is to ensure that which are money required by the Fund the $8,000,000 to be deposited in banks as such—I would like to say that here has to be deposited in banks licensed too we must have safeguards so that under the provisions of the Banking money of this sort, if it is being invested Ordinance, 1958. This Clause does not in Banks, should be invested in accord- give the Government any power to ance with some rules and regulations decide what percentage of the funds and not invested quite arbitarily. I say available is to be invested in any this because many of us are quite aware particular bank. All it says is that it that there are quite a number of must be invested in licensed banks in Banks now in existence in this country, order to safeguard the monies of the and we are also quite aware that contributors to this Fund. And that, quite a number of Banks have quite I think, Honourable Members will a number of political figures on the appreciate, is a necessary safeguard, Boards of Directors and as Heads of because otherwise you may find that such Banks. So, if the discretionary money is invested in banks which are power is given to the Minister, or the not licensed in the Federation. Ministry, to invest in whatever Bank he considers fit, then there is liable to Enche' Mohamed : Mr. be some suspicion in the minds of the Speaker, Sir, I just want to reply very 963 19 JUNE 1961 964 briefly to the point raised by the Maturing Treasury Bills and Deposit Honourable Member for Tanjong in Receipts have always been repaid from regard to the appointment of five the proceeds received from the issue of persons who will be representative of these securities but, in 1958, Article 98 smallholders. I wish to tell the Honour- (1) of the Constitution and Clause 13 (2) able Member that it has been my of the Financial Procedure Ordinance, policy in the past, and will continue 1957, rendered this practice unlawful, to be my policy in the future, to as all repayments in respect of sums encourage the growth of smallholders' charged on the Consolidated Fund had associations throughout the country. to be brought to account in the Con- I can assure him that in the appoint- solidated Revenue Account. It is ment of these persons, who are to sit undesirable that the repayment of short as representatives of smallholders, no term securities such as Treasury Bills political consideration will come into and Deopsit Receipts should be it at all. In fact, if there is any member charged to the Consolidated Revenue from the Socialist Front who, in his Account and, therefore, the amend- opinion, is capable enough to represent ments at item 1 (a), paragraph (a), and the smallholders, I shall very willingly item 2 (a), paragraph (a), of the consider such opinion from him. Schedule to the Bill provide that the proceeds of the issue of Treasury Bills Qustion put, and agreed to. and Treasury Deposit Receipts may be Bill accordingly read a second time used to redeem maturing Treasury Bills and committed to a Committee of the and Deposit Receipts respectively, thus whole House. enabling long standing practice to be House immediately resolved itself continued and validating the method of into a Committee on the Bill. accounting for such repayments since 1958. Bill considered in Committee. Sir, I beg to move. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir, Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to I beg to second the motion. stand part of the Bill. Question put, and agreed to. Bill reported without amendment: Bill accordingly read a second time read the third time and passed. and committed to a Committee of the whole House. House immediately resolved itself THE TREASURY BILLS AND into a Committee on the Bill. DEPOSIT RECEIPTS (AMEND- Bill considered in Committee. MENT) BILL (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Second Reading Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan part of the Bill. Siew Sin): Mr. Speaker: Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to Schedule ordered to stand part of amend the Treasury Bills (Local) the Bill. Ordinance, 1946, and the Treasury Bill reported without amendment: Deposit Receipts Ordinance, 1952" be read the third time and passed. read a second time. As stated in the Explanatory State- ment, the Bill is of a formal nature, MOTIONS and its primary purpose is to bring the THE REVISED EDITION OF THE provisions of the Treasury Bills (Local) Ordinance, 1946, and the Treasury LAWS (DRAFT) ORDER, 1961 Deposit Receipts Ordinance, 1952, into The Minister of the Interior (Dato' accord with the provisions of the Dr. Ismail): Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I Constitution. formally move the motion standing in 965 19 JUNE 1961 966 my name, with your permission and with give his sanction that the present draft the agreement of the House, I would like Order, tabled as Command Paper No. to make a slight amendment to the 13 of 1961, should be presented to first line of the motion as printed, and Parliament, and it now only remains for that is instead of "sub-section (1)" it me to ask this House to approve its should read "sub-section (2)" and I terms. I should however emphasise that accordingly move, approval of this Order is merely a That pursuant to the provisions of sub- preliminary to the actual printing of section (2) of section 7 of the Revised Edition the first volume of the Revised Edition; of the Laws Ordinance, 1959, the alterations once the volume has been printed it and amendments specified in the Revised Edition of the Laws (Draft) Order, 1961, will be laid on the Table of both tabled as Command Paper No. 13 of 1961, Houses of Parliament and can only being alterations and amendments desirable come into force following a further in the opinion of the Commissioner of Law resolution by both Houses. Revision in the preparation of the First Volume of the Revised Edition of the laws, be approved. Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, cha- Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I beg to dangan ini ada-lah satu chadangan second the motion. yang hanya bertujuan hendak melulus- kan beberapa kuasa yang patut di-buat The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong dalam menyemak dan menyusun sa- Yew Koh): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this mula undang2 dalam negeri ini. Tuan motion is largely of a formal nature, Yang di-Pertua, saya di-dalam me- and I need not detain this House for ngalu2kan apa yang di-buat oleh long over it. Kerajaan dalam lapangan ini, dan saya The first volume of the Revised Laws fikir ini satu benda yang amat di-kehen- is now about to go to Press. As the daki oleh negeri ini, terpaksa meng- House is aware, the Commissioner for ingatkan kapada Kerajaan supaya dalam langkah membaiki kedudokan Law Revision has certain powers to 2 tidy up and consolidate the various undang dalam negeri ini patut-lah sudah Menteri Kehakiman memikirkan laws and so keep them up-to-date. The 2 Commissioner has however no power terjemahan undang yang sekarang to make any substantive amendment to dalam bahasa Inggeris kapada bahasa the laws—he is not permitted to change Melayu supaya sesuai dengan tuntutan their meaning or import. This can only bahasa kebangsaan negeri ini. Dan saya be done by Parliament. In the ordinary fikir oleh Revised Edition ini ada-lah course of events, any amendment would satu kerja yang hendak berjalan dalam lapangan Ordinance yang tertentu tahun require an amending bill which has to 2 be taken through all stages in both 1959 atau apa tahun yang di-sebutkan Houses; but for the purpose of revision, oleh Menteri tadi, elok-lah sambil mem- the Revised Edition of the Laws buat "revision" itu di-langsongkan Ordinance of 1959 permits certain con- terjemahan sa-kali, kalau ta' sempat sequential amendments to be made by menterjemahkan yang bertaboran itu resolution in both Houses. This is an dapat juga Kementerian ini menter- economical and expeditious method of jemahkan yang telah di-susun pada making minor adjustments without the masa ini bagi di-kemukakan ka-dalam pomp and bother of a time-consuming Dewan ini. procedure which is inherent in an amending bill. Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu Honourable Members will see from memang tujuan Kerajaan Perikatan the explanatory statement that all these supaya bahasa Melayu betul2 menjadi amendments are of a minor nature and bahasa kebangsaan. Tetapi, dalam soal are in no way controversial. Indeed, Undang2 susah hendak menterjemah- most of them might have been made by kan ka-bahasa Melayu, dan sekarang way of modification of the laws during Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka dan be- the first two years of Merdeka. His berapa orang yang pandai telah men- Majesty has been graciously pleased to chuba hendak mengadakan perkataan2 967 19 JUNE 1961 968 yang sesuai yang di-gunakan dalam Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Tuan bahasa Inggeris itu. Undang2 ada-lah Yang di-Pertua, pehak Kerajaan tidak satu perkara yang boleh di-katakan dapat menerima usul yang di-bawa oleh dalam bahasa Inggeris-nya "techical Yang Berhormat itu dengan sebab dan specific" yang mana kita dalam Kerajaan berpendapat bahawa pada Tanah Melayu ini belum ada lagi per- masa ini tidak-lah mustahak di-adakan kataan2 yang di-gunakan dalam bahasa Undang2 bagi menegah orang yang Inggeris itu. Tetapi, memang tujuan bukan warga negara Persekutuan dari- Kerajaan Perikatan dengan sa-berapa pada bekerja dalam Jabatan Kerajaan lekas-nya akan mengadakan Undang2 dan Sharikat Perdagangan dan Per- usahaan dalam negeri ini, melainkan dalam bahasa Melayu. Tetapi tidak 2 2 guna-lah kita menterjemahkan sa-suatu dengan sebab dan sharat yang tertentu. 2 Undang itu kalau tidak betul, tidak Sunggoh pun pada masa ini tidak tetap dan tidak ketat. ada Undang2 yang saperti itu, tetapi Itu-lah sahaja jawapan saya kapada dengan ada-nya Undang2 Imigeresen Ahli Yang Berhormat itu. yang ketat, maka kemasokan orang Question put, and agreed to. dagang ka-dalam negeri kita datang untok menchari pekerjaan ada-lah di- Resolved, kawal dengan rapi-nya. That pursuant to the provisions of sub- section (2) of section 7 of the Revised Edition Berkenaan dengan pekerja dari luar of the Laws Ordinance, 1959, the alterations negeri yang di-kehendaki berkhidmat and amendments specified in the Revised Edition of the Laws (Draft) Order, 1961, dalam perusahaan yang baharu berdiri tabled as Command Paper No. 13 of 1961, dalam negeri ini memang Kerajaan being alterations and amendments desirable memberi pandangan yang berat supaya in the opinion of the Commissioner of Law pekerja dagang itu chuma dapat dudok Revision in the preparation of the First Volume of the Revised Edition of the laws, di-sini, sementara warga negara negeri be approved. ini dapat di-beri latehan dengan sa- chepat mungkin bagi mengambil tempat MENGADAKAN UNDANG2 MELA- pekerja2 dagang itu. 2 RANG PEKERJA BUKAN WARGA Pendek kata, kehendak usul Ahli NEGARA PERSEKUTUAN Yang Berhormat itu sudah pun di- penohi dengan dasar yang di-jalankan Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji 2 Abdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan oleh sa-genap Jabatan Kerajaan pada Yang di-Pertua, sa-kali lagi dalam masa ini. Dewan ini saya mengemukakan cha- Saya suka menegaskan di-sini bahawa dangan saperti berikut: pehak Kerajaan sentiasa sedar di-atas "Ia-itu suatu Undang2 hendak-lah di- tanggong jawab-nya bagi memberi pe- kemukakan supaya orang2 bukan warga luang untok warga negara bagi negeri negara Persekutuan Tanah Melayu tidak di- ini bekerja. Peluang bekerja chuma-lah benarkan bekerja dalam Jabatan2 Kerajaan dapat di-adakan dengan ada-nya per- dan dalam Gudang2 Perniagaan dan 2 Perusahaan2 dalam Persekutuan Tanah usahaan baharu, dan perusahaan ini Melayu, melainkan pekerja2 yang berke- ada-lah berkehendakkan modal dan mahiran sahaja yang bukan warga negara ilmu pengetahuan teknik yang sangat Persekutuan boleh-lah bekerja dalam tempoh yang sengkat." kekurangan pada sisi kita sakalian Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana dalam negeri ini. Dengan sebab itu-lah 2 kita terpaksa menggalakkan modal dan alasan yang saya telah beri pada me- orang yang berpengetahuan datang ka- shuarat yang lalu, maka saya tidak-lah sini untok beberapa lama yang tertentu, membawa alasan yang baharu, bahkan dan hasil daripada dasar itu kita dapati saya meminta pertimbangan bagi bahawa dasar perusahaan kita telah Dewan ini supaya chadangan ini dapat memberi hasil yang baik bagi negara di-terima. dan juga ra'ayat negeri ini. Dengan ada- Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad nya perusahaan dan perdagangan yang (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya baharu, maka sudah berapa ribu mohon menyokong chadangan ini, dan ra'ayat negeri ini mendapat pekerjaan saya akan berchakap kemudian. dan juga pengetahuan yang baharu. 969 19 JUNE 1961 970

Berkenaan dengan pekerjaan2 dalam chapai bukan sa-chara undang2, tetapi jabatan Kerajaan, Kerajaan telah juga sa-chara kerjasama antara Kerajaan memberi perentah atau directive ka- dengan gudang2 luar negeri yang ada pada semua Ketua2 Jabatan supaya dalam negeri kita ini. Dengan alasan2 dengan sa-berapa yang boleh chuma yang saya sebutkan di-sini maka pehak warga negara Persekutuan sahaja di- Kerajaan tidak dapat menerima shor2 ambil bekerja dalam jabatan2 di-bawah yang di-bawa oleh Ahli Yang Ber- jagaan mereka itu. Saya perchaya hormat itu. Dalam pada itu pun saya rakan saya Yang Berhormat Menteri suka menegaskan bahawa walau pun Muda Buroh akan menolong dan me- pehak Kerajaan sentiasa memberi per- nerangkan hal ini. Directive telah hatian dan pandangan yang berat dan di-beri kapada Pusat Pekerjaan atau teliti atas soal ini, jika sa-kira-nya pun Labour Employment Exchange badan mana2 sa-kali pun jika nanti di-seluroh negeri. Kerajaan juga telah di-dapati mustahak, Kerajaan akan memberi directive supaya dalam con- mengambil tindakan yang sesuai bagi tract atau sub-contract yang di-berikan menchapai tujuan ini walau dengan oleh Kerajaan maka contractor2 itu apa chara sa-kali pun. Terima kaseh. mesti-lah menggunakan pekerja2 yang terdiri daripada warga negara Per 2 Enche' Chin See Yin (Seremban sekutuan, melainkan contractor itu Timor): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I say this dapat menunjokkan kapada Menteri motion is not a practical one. Subject bahawa untok pekerjaan yang saperti 2 to correction, Sir, I think there are itu maka mereka memerlukan pekerja nearly 100,000 non-Malays who are yang bukan warga negara. Dan lagi 2 non-Federal Citizens in this country. pehak contractor itu mesti-lah meng- These people have lived for 10, 25 hantarkan penyata kemajuan di-atas 2 or more years in this country, and pekerja yang menggunakan orang they have made this country their mereka itu dan jika di-dapati ada 2 home. Because of their nature of penyata itu palsu maka Kerajaan ber- employment or occupation, they have kuasa membatalkan contract itu. Dari- not been able to learn or speak the pada apa yang saya sebut tadi maka National Language, and for that reason dapat-lah kita lihat bagaimana boleh they are unable to become Federal Kerajaan atau pun pandangan Kerajaan 2 Citizens. Most of these people are terhadap dasar dalam semua jabatan employed in commercial and industrial Kerajaan. firms, and they have worked for so long a time that you can say that most Berkenaan dengan rumah per- 2 of them are skilled labourers. There- dagangan atau pun sharikat daripada fore, Sir, to throw them out of luar negeri yang ada dalam negeri ini employment would not be fair. If this dasar Malayanisation sedang di-jalan- motion is accepted by this House, Sir, kan untok mereka sendiri dengan it would mean that nearly 100,000 sebab mereka itu sendiri sedar jika people will be thrown into the street. mereka itu hendak berniaga maka dia 2 What about their families—who is hendak-lah menghormati kehendak going to look after them? Are we going apa pun bagi ra'ayat Persekutuan. Sa- to create a social problem as a result bagaimana yang saya katakan dahulu, 2 of this motion? It is a thing which dengan ada-nya undang Immigration we have got to give very careful yang ketat maka dapat-lah kita meng- consideration. hadkan kemasokan pekerja2 orang2 dagang dalam sharikat2 yang modal- The Honourable Minister has said nya datang dari luar negeri. Kerajaan just now that he has taken every point perchaya bahawa pada masa ini into consideration and also that in view dengan keadaan yang ada dalam negeri of the industrialisation schemes in this ini dasar yang sesuai bagi negera kita country we need a lot of people. He ada-lah dasar berdiri tegoh di-samping further said that the immigration law itu dapat juga melihatkan kepentingan has been tightened up by the Govern- ra'ayat Persekutuan ini. Kerajaan juga ment and fewer people can come into perchaya Kerajaan kita dapat men- this country. 971 19 JUNE 1961 972

Now, Sir, these people, through no non-citizens employed by these firms fault of their own, are unable to and some of these firms indeed are by become Federal Citizens and I think themselves, if I may use the term, the Government should relax the law "non-citizen firms." What are we going to allow them to do so, because of the to say to them? Are we going to say services they have rendered to the that non-citizen firms should close country. By their services they have down? Are we going to say that the contributed much progress in the way thousands who are employed in these of economy, and although . . . firms, and who live here, should be thrown onto the road? To me, this Mr. Speaker: That is not relevant. seems to be a most unreasonable motion—a motion put in without con- Enche' Chin See Yin: I was just sideration of the circumstances that are saying about their services. However, existing in this land. If we create un- Sir, regarding this motion, which employment, which is already high, if relates to people who are non-Federal we create more unemployment we Citizens, I say that these people are create, as has been said, a social still performing their services and we problem of lawlessness and poverty should not throw them out of employ- resulting in crime. I am sure nobody in ment. They are helping the country this House would want that situation to produce the things that we want to arise, but this motion is an indication for the people and for export. For that of what could happen to this country, reason, Sir, I suggest that this motion, if certain people held the reins of being not practical, should not be Government in this land. accepted by this House. Enche' D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- Mr. Speaker, Sir, we of the People's sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the motion Progressive Party group are glad to under discussion has very serious con- note that the Government side is not sequences. The motion asks for the accepting this motion, and we very prohibition of the employment of non- strongly oppose this motion. Federal Citizens in the various spheres of industrial, commercial and other Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is necessary in activities. What it amounts to is that considering a motion of this nature to if you ask for a resolution to prohibit bear in mind, as has been said by the employment of non-Federal Citi- previous speakers, that in Malaya there zens, it would result in thousands upon is a large body of persons who are not thousands of persons being deprived of citizens of the country because of the their livelihood. Sir, we have seen how citizenship laws. The merits or demerits fragmentation has rendered many of those laws are not at issue now but, people unemployed and how many of personally, I do not agree with the them were forced by dire economic provisions of that law. However, one stress to leave this country. Sir, there fact is clear: that these thousands and are people in this country who have the thousands of people, in the majority residential qualifications to become non-Malays, will be living here for the citizens and who have been here for rest of their lives, and possibly will also generations. These people may not be end their days in this country. So far as able to speak the national language yet, the Government services are concerned, but they will do so in the course of I think it is perfectly clear that the time. There are others who have the policy has been adopted where, at least, residential qualifications, but unfortu- preference is given to Federal Citizens nately do not happen to know in the course of seeking employment personally a Member of Parliament or to the Government Service—and the other recommender as required to question of non-citizens being in that recommend them in respect of their service will, in my opinion, solve itself residential qualifications. So, are we by the passing of time. With regard to going to deprive so many of these commercial firms, again we must people, to whom this land is their home, appreciate that there are thousands of of their livelihood? 973 19 JUNE 1961 974 Mr. Speaker, Sir, because of the very must have a birth certificate, otherwise serious consequences that this motion there is no way out if he is a non- entails, we oppose it. Malay. Now, because of the interpretation of Dr. Lim Swee Aim (Larut Selatan): a simple law, many, many children in Mr. Speaker, Sir, whilst the intention this country, who are legitimate citizens of this motion is laudable—that is, the intention that all citizens of this country by operation of law are not citizens should be given first priority in employ- by operation of law. One might say ment—I feel that at this stage of our that if that is the case, there is still building a nation, if laws were made another loophole and that is to become in the terms of this motion, the citizens by registration, where a child unfortunate part of it would be that is under 21 years of age, the father these same laws will deprive the right who is a citizen can apply on the of employment from legitimate citizens child's behalf. Only as long as the of this country. This may sound para- father is alive, the father can apply— doxical, but it is true. I say that if this nobody else can apply. Let us take an motion is carried and laws are made example in this case again: the father certain sections of our population, and mother were born in this country, who are legitimate citizens of this the child was born here, the child has country, will be barred from employ- a birth certificate, but the father and ment. Why do I say so? It is that, if mother have no birth certificates. this becomes law, it means that before Unfortunately the father is dead—and anybody can get employment, he must you will be surprised to know how have proof of citizenship, and the many fathers are dead in this country; easiest and obvious thing is to produce then in such a case that child, though the blue identity card. If you have a a citizen by operation of law, cannot red identity card, that means you even apply by registration until he cannot be employed, because you are reaches the age of 18, when he can a non-citizen according to these terms. then apply on his own efforts and on Our citizenship laws appear to be very his own merits, because although his simple and very clear, and I would mother was born in this country but, like to take one example—the example because she cannot produce a birth of citizenship by operation of law. It certificate, she cannot apply on behalf says that if a person was born in this of the child for a citizenship by country, one of whose parents was born registration. It seems odd, but it is true, in Malaya too, then that person is a and there is no provision in the law citizen by operation of law. Now, let other than the production of the birth us assume that there is a person born certificates of the father and the child in this country who can produce his to prove that that child is a citizen by birth certificate. His father and mother operation of law if he is a non-Malay. were also born in this country, but they cannot produce their birth certifi- Now, I will not go into the difficulties cates. Now this introduction of the about the production of birth certifi- changing of new identity cards has cates, as I think this House is fully brought to light many difficulties about aware of that—we have gone through the proof of citizenship. At one time it again and again—and the other it was accepted that if, in lieu of a tragedy is that even if the parents can birth certificate, two persons ten years produce the birth certificates, because older than the applicant were prepared the name of the father in his birth to make a declaration, that would be certificate and the name of the father acceptable. But recently it has been in the child's birth certificate do not found that this would be a contraven- tally, they cannot be accepted. As I tion of the law, and the interpretation have said, the citizenship law is clear is that the only proof of citizenship by and simple, but the putting of it into operation of law is by the birth practice is very complicated and, as a certificate—that is, the son must have result of that, thousands and thousands a birth certificate, the father or mother of children under the age of 18 who are legitimate citizens by operation of 975 19 JUNE 1961 976 law are not recognised as such and cause not only unemployment but also neither can they be citizens by registra- a serious setback to the improvement tion. It might be claimed that of industries and the economy of this these cases are far and few between country. Therefore, I do not support but, in my limited experience in my this motion. I would not make a long constituency, I do know that practically speech except to repeat once again that every day I have to deal with at least I think the proposal is unnecessary and two or, three such cases of people, who impracticable at the moment. Thank are entitled to be citizens, but because you. of the interpretation are blocked—and unless the Registrar of Citizens can Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah produce a census, I believe many (Kota Bharu Hilir): Tuan Yang di- thousands of children under the age of Pertua, saya bangun menyokong usul 18 come under those categories. yang di-hadapan kita, dengan beberapa sebab. Kita sakalian dalam meshuarat Sir, if this motion becomes law, it yang lalu telah mendengar alasan2 dan means that all these thousands of chil- keterangan2 yang telah di-kemukakan dren, particularly those between the ages oleh Yang Berhormat penchadang of 16 and 18, when they leave school, bagi chadangan ini. Kita sakalian telah will find themselves deprived of the right mengetahui bahawa Persekutuan Tanah of employment though they are citizens Melayu ada-lah mempunyai 30,000 by operation of law. Can you imagine orang lebeh yang tidak bekerja sa- then the frustration and dissatisfac- hingga sekarang ini. Penderitaan me- tion? What it might lead to is that reka itu ta' payah-lah lagi saya ulangi, citizens of this country are not per- amat-lah berat, dan anak-pinak mereka mitted to work because of this law. I itu dalam kelaparan, tetapi sa-hingga hope the Honourable Mover will realise sekarang ini mereka itu ta' dapat that, though the intention may be bekerja di-mana2 juga. laudable, in practice at this present stage of the development of our nation, Yang sa-betul-nya, Yang di-Pertua, sa-kira-nya Kerajaan mengadakan satu this motion will deprive the right of 2 employment from a very large group census untok orang yang tidak dapat of citizens, who are legitimate but who kerja tentu-lah kita dapat ketahui may not be recognised by law. I, there- bahawa angka bagi orang yang tidak fore, hope that this motion would be dapat kerja lebeh besar daripada withdrawn, and if it is not withdrawn, 30,000. Kerana kita tahu orang Melayu then I oppose it. kebanyakan daripada mereka itu tidak dapat kerja, dan mereka itu tidak pula mendaftarkan nama-nya di-Pejabat2 Enche' Too Joon Hing (Telok 2 Anson): Mr. Speaker: Sir, I rise to say Buroh yang ada dalam bandar dan pekan2. Tetapi kita tahu bahawa ada- that the moving of this motion at this 2 time is unnecessary and impracticable— lah gulongan orang Melayu yang not for a long time to come. I say it is tidak dapat kerja dan yang tidak unnecessary because, first of all, I mendaftarkan nama-nya dalam Pejabat think, in the Government Service we Buroh amat-lah banyak bilangan have already made provision to employ mereka itu. Sa-kira-nya di-masokkan only citizens as far as this country is bilangan mereka yang belum mendaftar concerned, except for skilled artizans lagi ka-dalam bilangan mereka yang or technicians who are not found in telah mendaftar, sudah yakin dan tetap bahawa ada-lah gulongan dan bilangan this country. Secondly, I say that this 2 is impracticable because we must orang , anak negara yang tidak mem- consider the industries of this punya'i kerja ada-lah bilangan yang country—mining, rubber planting, lebeh besar daripada 30,000 sa-bagai- timber, house-building. mana yang ada di-chatitkan dalam Pejabat Buroh. Apa-kah nasib mereka Sir, if this motion were to be accep- itu sekarang ini ia-lah penderitaan, ted and passed, many of the labourers, kesusahan yang amat kejam, walhal who are non-citizens, will be thrown orang bangsa asing dalam Tanah out of these industries and it would Melayu yang bukan warga negara 977 19 JUNE 1961 978 mereka itu dapat kerja dengan senang. kan dahulu bahawa mengikut jawapan Ada-kah ini adil? Tentu-lah bagi men- yang telah di-beri kapada saya oleh jawab-nya tidak adil. Anak kita sendiri Perdana Menteri bahawa 30 ribu orang kita haramkan bekerja. Walhal bangsa bangsa asing yang telah masok ka- asing yang bukan warga negara dapat Tanah Melayu dalam tahun 1958, 1959 kenikmatan, pekerjaan dan rahmat. Ini dan 1960. Bilangan2 ini mesti-lah di- ada-lah satu perkara yang tidak adil. kaji juga oleh Kerajaan tatkala Kera- Sa-bagaimana yang kita ketahui jaan hendak melancharkan ranchangan boleh-lah di-katakan sakalian gudang2 5 tahun yang kedua untok memberi kerja2 kapada anak2 warga negara yang perniagaan dalam negeri kita ini kaki- 2 tangan mereka itu ia-lah terkandong bilangan mereka itu 340 ribu. Kemarin daripada orang2 dagang yang bukan juga saya ada terbacha dalam Sunday warga negara. Apa-kah sebab-nya maka Mail dalam tahun yang lalu kata-nya tuan ampunya gudang2 itu ta' suka tidak kurang daripada 618 ribu orang memberi kerja kapada anak warga yang masok dengan jalan haram ikut negara? Ini ada-lah satu soal yang jalan Siam. Kemasokan bangsa asing mesti kita jawab. Walhal mereka itu di- dengan jalan haram ini ada-lah chuma bilangan yang di-ketahu'i oleh Kerajaan. dalam menjalankan perniagaan-nya 2 telah menjadi satu gulongan orang kaya Ada pun bilangan yang tidak di-ke- dalam negeri kita, dan mereka itu telah tahu'i oleh Kerajaan boleh jadi lebeh besar lagi daripada bilangan2 ini. Ada menikmati kema'amoran dan kekayaan 2 negeri kita dengan kerana perdagangan pula orang yang masok dalam negeri ini dengan jalan haram melalui tong- mereka itu dalam negeri ini. Tetapi 2 2 apa-kah sebab-nya maka mereka itu kang dan perahu . Sa-bagaimana dalam tidak mahu menumpahkan sa-titek surat khabar kemarin kata-nya dahulu daripada kekayaan itu balek kapada di-Johor satu perahu telah masok anak negeri, yang ada-lah daripada dengan jalan haram dan mereka itu kekayaan negeri ini mereka itu telah maseh kekal ada di-dalam Tanah Melayu sekarang ini dan Kerajaan menjadi kaya dan ma'amor.—{Inter- 2 ruption)—Ada-kah ini perbuatan yang belum dapat buat lagi apa tindakan. adil? Tidak, jawab-nya—tentu tidak. Baharu2 ini kita dengar di-Besut ada Sudah mesti bahawa mereka itu satu perahu masok dari China mem- menumpahkan balek separoh ke- bawa 13 orang dengan jalan haram dan kayaan-nya yang mereka telah chapai hingga sekarang ini belum dapat di- dalam negeri ini kapada anak warga jalankan apa2 langkah oleh Kerajaan negara negeri ini supaya mereka itu terhadap mereka itu. Dengan gambaran dapat hidup juga dalam negeri mereka. yang saya gambarkan dalam Majlis ini dapat-lah kita mengetahui bahawa oleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita telah 2 2 mendengar dan bacha bahawa ada-lah sebab tidak ada satu undang yang tambahan bilangan kanak2 yang lahir menyekatkan memberi hak kerja kapada warga negara maka bangsa2 asing dalam negeri ini ada-lah satu tambahan 2 2 atau bilangan yang paling besar sa-kali masok berduyun dengan bermacham dalam Tenggara Asia, dan mengikut jalan. Sa-hingga anak kandongan sen- keterangan yang di-terangkan dalam diri ada di-dalam azab sangsara tidak Ranchangan Lima Tahun tidak kurang dapat kerja sekarang ini. Ahli Yang daripada 340,000 orang yang berhajat- Berhormat mengatakan sa-kira-nya undang2 itu di-adakan maka apa-kah kan kapada pekerjaan dalam tempoh 2 lima tahun yang akan datang. akan terjadi kapada orang bangsa asing yang belum lagi menjadi warga Ini ada-lah satu bilangan yang besar negara dan dengan anak-pinak mereka sa-kali yang Kerajaan sudah menjadi itu. kewajipan dan tanggong-jawab mem- beri kerja2 kapada anak2 atau kanak2 Mereka itu hendak-lah insaf sendiri mereka itu yang saya sebutkan tadi. bahawa terlebeh daripada 30 ribu Itu bilangan2 belum termasok lagi warga negara sekarang ini di-dalam bilangan2 orang bangsa asing yang azab, biar-kah mereka terus hidup masok di-dalam negeri kita dengan bagitu sahaja supaya bangsa asing yang halal. Sa-bagaimana yang saya sebut- belum menjadi warga negara ini senang 979 19 JUNE 1961 980

dan ma'amor. Keterangan2 yang telah enable every resident of this country to di-berikan kapada kita oleh Yang Ber- obtain a certificate without any diffi- hormat Menteri Perdagangan, kata-nya culty, there are no grounds to bring tidak perlu undang2 kita adakan bahkan such legislation. But I think it may telah memadai dengan kita adakan take a decade or more before that is satu atoran kerjasama di-antara pehak practicable. So, on the said grounds I Kerajaan dengan pehak gudang2 per- think it would not be proper to accept niagaan yang ada dalam negeri kita ini. this motion. Saya yakin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan chara yang bagini tetap warga The Assistant Minister of Labour negara tidak dapat terjamin chuma (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr. dengan di-adakan undang2 baharu-lah Speaker, Sir, my Ministry had issued, hak warga negara dalam negeri ini some months ago, instructions to terjamin dan dapat di-belakan. Oleh Employment Exchanges throughout sebab yang demikian, Tuan Yang di- the country to the effect that only Pertua, saya harap kalau ahli2 Dewan Federal Citizens be sent to Government Ra'ayat yang terkandong lebeh dari- Departments for interview and selec- pada dua-pertiga (2/3) daripada bangsa tion to fill vacant posts and new posts, Melayu kita menimbangkan dengan sa- except in cases where there are no wajar2-nya chadangan yang ada di- Federal Citizens with the necessary hadapan kita ini dapat-lah kita tolong qualifications and experience required 30 ribu orang warga negara yang se- for the posts. These instructions apply karang ini dalam kehidupan azab dan equally to contractors and sub-contrac- kepapaan. tors, who are given contracts by the Government. At present, it is quite Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Mr. difficult to determine who are Federal Speaker, Sir, by the speech of the Citizens and who are not, but it is Honourable Member I understand that hoped that as soon as the new identity more emphasis has been placed on cards have been issued to all persons, illegal entries into this country. But officers of my Department will be that cannot be an excuse for implement- able to enforce the instructions more ing this motion, which I think will successfully. In view of the existence largely affect the workers of this of Government policy on the matter country. Rightly the Honourable Mem- and the steps that have already been ber for Larut Selatan has said that taken to enforce the policy as there are defects in the present citizen- mentioned both by my Honourable ship laws. Being a member of the colleague the Minister of Commerce ruling party, he has admitted the and Industry and me, just now, I feel defects, which have been pointed out that the resolution before us is not at many occasions in this House by necessary and should be rejected. the Opposition Members. Sir, the Member for Kota Bharu The motion as it stands looks very Hilir has mentioned that there are nice and it sounds very nice too, but the about 30,000 people unemployed. But question of implementation would be I wish to state here, Sir, that although very difficult. As my colleague has we have about 30,000 people in the pointed out, a large number of people Registers of Employment Exchanges, in this country are yet to obtain their I wish to stress here again that not citizenship certificates. The first thing all of these people are unemployed. is residential qualification. Then you Some of them look for better jobs; have now another requirement, that a some of them look for a change of person should certify that the applicant jobs; and some of them look for a has been resident in this country for change of places from one town to eight years. Many of the workers in this another. Even in these 30,000 people country find it very difficult to obtain or so, there are non-Federal Citizens a certificate of residential qualification too. from well-known persons in this coun- try, and until and unless the citizenship The Honourable Member also men- laws of this country are regularised to tioned about outsiders coming here in 981 19 JUNE 1961 982 big numbers. Sir, my Honourable di-bayangkan oleh Menteri Muda colleague the Minister of Commerce Buroh tadi baharu2 ini tentang kata- and Industry has already stated that nya Kementerian Buroh telah menge- the immigration laws do prevent any luarkan arahan2 kapada Pusat2 Kerja outsiders coming here for jobs, except ia-itu dengan maksud supaya warga for specialised jobs, and I do not think negara sahaja yang boleh di-interview that it is necessary at the moment to untok mendapat kerja kosong, kechuali have a legislation as suggested by the kerja2 yang ta' dapat bagi warga Honourable Member for Pasir Mas negara itu menjalankan-nya sendiri, Hulu. sebab kekurangan sa-suatu saperti keahlian, kebolehan, kelayakan maka Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji boleh-lah di-terima orang yang bukan Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Yang di- warga negara negeri ini. Dalam Pertua, niat atau motive dari chadang- kenyataan2 ini dapat-lah saya meng- an Ahli Yang Berhormat pembawa 2 ambil satu kesimpulan bahawa niat chadangan ini ia-lah sa-mata untok untok memberi pekerjaan yang lebeh memelihara akan muslihat warga kapada warga negara dan niat untok negara Persekutuan Tanah Melayu mengawal supaya orang2 yang bukan supaya mereka itu mendapat peluang menjadi warga negara itu tidak men- kerja lebeh banyak, menjaga taraf 2 dapat pekerjaan, supaya jangan mereka hidup mereka sa-hari . Saya perchaya mendapat pekerjaan dengan lebeh luas niat yang saperti ini memang telah dalam mana2 tempat ia-itu saperti menjadi niat bagi seluroh mereka yang sharikat2 perusahaan ada-lah sama telah menjadi warga negara Perseku- tujuan pehak penchadang ini dengan tuan Tanah Melayu termasok-lah niat pehak Kerajaan sendiri. Hanya- Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan. 2 lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perbezaan- Dan juga baharu ini dalam kenyataan nya pada pandangan saya ia-lah chara Yang Berhormat Menteri Perdagangan 2 kaedah-nya. Pehak penchadang ber- itu sendiri pada masa mula tadi kehendakkan supaya bagi melaksana- dengan menyatakan walau pun pada kan niat untok mengawal supaya orang masa ini kita tidak ada atau tidak 2 yang bukan warga negara negeri ini mustahak mengadakan satu undang tidak mendapat peluang yang lebeh saperti yang di-chadangkan oleh pehak luas dan supaya peluang yang lebeh penchadang ini, tetapi chukup-lah 2 luas hendak-lah di-dapati oleh warga dengan Undang Immigration yang negara dan menasabah-lah di-adakan kita ketatkan, yang dapat di-kawal satu undang2 kerana-nya, sedangkan dengan rapi bagi menjaga kemasokan 2 pehak Kerajaan memandang belum bangsa asing dalam negeri ini dan mustahak di-adakan undang2 itu. dengan chara yang demikian mengikut Maka chukup-lah dengan Undang2 fahaman beliau dapat-lah terjamin Immigration dan chukup-lah dengan bahawa warga negara Persekutuan ini arahan yang di-keluarkan oleh Kemen- akan dapat pekerjaan dengan sa- 2 terian Buroh sahaja, demikian juga chukup-nya dalam mana Jabatan 2 2 pandangan yang telah di-berikan oleh Kerajaan dan juga dalam mana pehak Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yang sharikat perniagaan atau perusahaan telah berchakap dahulu tadi atau pun atau sa-bagai-nya. pehak2 parti pembangkang sa-lain dari- Yang kedua, Menteri Perdagangan pada Persatuan Islam sa-Tanah tadi telah menyatakan bahawa Kera- Melayu ini yang telah menyatakan jaan sendiri telah sedar atas tanggong tentang chara yang saperti ini mengikut jawab-nya untok memberi peluang fahaman mereka, ada-lah satu chara kerja kapada warga negara, maka yang tidak menasabah sama sa-kali di- sebab itu-lah kata-nya Kerajaan telah adakan. Dengan kerana kata-nya, menggalakkan supaya di-adakan chara yang saperti ini erti-nya perusahaan2 baharu dan menggalakkan beberapa banyak bangsa asing yang kemasokan modal2 daripada luar belum mendapat taraf atau mendapat negeri. Daripada apa yang telah di- hak kera'ayatan atau belum menjadi bayangkan oleh Menteri Perdagangan warga negara negeri ini akan menga- dan demikian juga dari apa yang telah lami nasib yang burok akibat-nya 983 19 JUNE 1961 984 sa-kira-nya di-adakan satu undang2 bentok arahan boleh-lah di-katakan yang menyekat mereka itu daripada bahawa arahan itu mempunyai sema- mendapat pekerjaan dalam mana2 ngat yang baik dan akan memberi kesan jabatan atau dalam mana2 badan yang baik terhadap maksud kita bagi perusahaan dalam negeri ini. mengawal hak ini, akan tetapi oleh kerana arahan itu merupakan sa-bagai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sunggoh pun arahan yang tidak mempunyai daya Menteri Buroh dan juga Menteri semangat atau sa-mata2 tidak mempu- Perusahaan telah menyatakan bahawa nyai daya bagi meletakkan satu chukup-lah dengan mengadakan hukuman kapada siapa2 yang melang- Undang2 Immigration yang ketat dan gar hukuman itu, maka saya rasa yang demikian erti-nya dapat menga- tidak-lah memberi napas yang baharu wal kemasokan bangsa asing dengan dalam maksud untok memberi peker- sa-chara haram ka-dalam negeri ini, jaan kapada warga negara sa-mata2 akan tetapi saperti yang telah di-nyata- dalam mana2 pekerjaan dalam negeri ini. kan oleh sahabat saya Ahli Yang Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasa Berhormat dari Kota Bharu Hilir 2 sudah-lah sampai masa-nya yang kita tadi walau pun di-adakan Undang atau pun Dewan Yang Berhormat dan Immigration yang ketat, tetapi tidak- mulia ini memberikan persetujuan yang lah dapat kita napikan bahawa maseh bulat kapada chadangan ini. Dan saya banyak ada kemasokan sa-chara haram rasa tiap2 warga negara yang mengaku dalam negeri kita ini. Yang demikian 2 ta'at setia kapada negeri ini patut-lah Undang Immigration yang ketat itu menyokong akan chadangan ini, sebab walau pun di-adakan tidak-lah dapat chadangan ini sa-mata2 untok kebaikan bagaimana sa-kali pun ia dengan warga negara negeri ini. sendiri-nya menjadi satu sharat atau satu alat bagi menjamin kehendak Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: daripada chadangan yang di-kemuka- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahagian2 yang kan oleh pehak penchadang—ma- di-nyatakan di-dalam chadangan ini 'ana-nya walau bagaimana sa-kali ada-lah terang, ia-itu dalam Jabatan2 pun Undang2 Immigration itu, ia Kerajaan dan dalam Gudang2 Per- bukan dapat menjadi satu sokongan niagaan dan Perusahaan2—Gudang2 yang kuat sa-bagai kuasa yang di- Perniagaan dan Perusahaan2. Bahagian kehendaki untok mengawal supaya yang sudah di-selesaikan persetujuan- pekerjaan hanya di-dapati oleh warga nya oleh Kerajaan ia-lah dalam baha- negara negeri ini sahaja. Demikian gian Kerajaan dan di-dalam soal2 juga arahan yang di-keluarkan oleh Sharikat2 Perusahaan dalam negeri ini; Kementerian Buroh sa-bagaimana yang tinggal lagi yang menjadi soal ia- dalam meshuarat yang lalu Yang lah soal Gudang2 Perniagaan. Apabila Berhormat Menteri Buroh sendiri telah saya mendengar uchapan yang di-beri menyatakan bahawa Menteri Buroh oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Perdaga- tidak mempunyai kuasa terhadap ngan dan Perusahaan terasa-lah pada sharikat, atau terhadap majikan bagi saya bahawa chadangan ini telah memaksa sa-suatu hal, atau sa-suatu mendahului chita2 bagi mewujudkan maksud, hanya Kementerian Buroh ini satu Undang2 yang saperti ini. Di- menjadi satu badan perantaraan untok hujong uchapan Yang Berhormat memberi pandangan atau memberi Menteri itu berkata-lah beliau: Bila nasihat atau meminta sokongan mustahak, maka Kerajaan akan mem- kerjasama dari mereka itu. Jadi arahan buat apa juga Undang2 bagi menjaga dari Kementerian Buroh baik dalam hak dan menjaga kepentingan ra'ayat perkara contractor atau sa-bagai-nya Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini dalam bukan merupakan sa-bagai satu lapangan yang kita perkatakan dalam arahan paksaan. Barangkali kalau usul ini. Bila mustahak—ini ada-lah satu sa-kira-nya ada arahan paksaan yang perkara yang "relative"—satu perkara lahir daripada satu undang2 atau pun yang di-fikirkan menurut faham dan arahan yang di-belakang-nya ada satu nilaian kita kapada sa-suatu. 2 hukuman bagi siapa yang melanggar Kenapa-kah apabila kita merdeka arahan itu, maka kalau bagitu chara kita mula memikirkan kepentingan2 985 19 JUNE 1961 986 warga negara Persekutuan Tanah Kera'ayatan yang payah, dan oleh Melayu, kita mula memikirkan ada kerana kepayahan-nya itu-lah maka orang yang patut kita utamakan dari- hendak di-beri oleh Undang2 yang di- pada orang lain? Tuan Yang di-Pertua, timbulkan oleh chadangan ini kawalan tanggong jawab negeri ini kapada peri yang tertentu, sebab payah menjadi kemanusiaan, kapada semua manusia ra'ayat; tetapi, apabila sa-saorang men- yang ada dalam dunia ini, tentu-lah jadi ra'ayat, maka ia mendapat harga kurang daripada tanggong jawab negeri dan nilaian yang tinggi dalam kera'a- ini kapada warga negara-nya sendiri, yatan-nya. sebab hak negeri ini kapada warga Soal Yang Berhormat dari Ipoh, negara Persekutuan Tanah Melayu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan suara ada-lah lebeh banyak daripada hak yang lembut sambil hendak berhenti negeri ini kapada orang yang bukan berkata, itu-lah rupa-nya kalau sa- warga negara Persekutuan Tanah tengah orang dapat kuasa dalam negeri Melayu. Kita tidak boleh menyuroh ini maka ini-lah agak-nya yang hendak orang yang bukan warga negara Per- di-buat Memang ya! Memang ini-lah sekutuan Tanah Melayu memikul tang- niat kami. Kami tidak berniat hendak gong jawab negara, tetapi kita boleh mempertahankan orang yang bukan menyuroh dan mewajibkan atas warga ra'ayat negeri ini, dan tidak-lah men- negara Persekutuan Tanah Melayu me- jadi tanggong jawab bagi kami datang mikul tanggong jawab yang di-wajib- ka-Parlimen ini untok memelihara kan kapada warga negara kapada 2 kepentingan orang yang bukan ra'ayat ketika -nya. negeri ini. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam me- di-hadapan kita ia-lah soal menimbang- ngemukakan usul ini tadi dan juga kan di-antara dua kepentingan. kelmarin telah berlembut penchadang Apabila kita sebut Jabatan Kerajaan, ini melengkarkan perbahathan-nya maka nyata-lah bahawa niat kita sa- dalam soal menjaga kepentingan2 lain daripada memberi kerja yang pekerja supaya hak pekerja dapat di- tertentu kapada warga negara ia-lah kawal, tetapi sa-tengah mereka itu tidak membersehkan Jabatan Kerajaan dari- dapat menahan nafsu mereka daripada pada di-dudoki, di-jalankan dan di- meluaskan perbahathan hingga menjadi ambil peranan-nya oleh orang2 yang perkara2 yang "obsession" dalam otak- tidak benar2 bertanggong jawab kapada nya. negeri ini, dan ini pun telah menjadi 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang ini dasar Kerajaan. Ada pun orang yang kita tahu ada orang2 perusahaan dalam pada fikiran kita mempunyai ke- negeri ini membuat satu gaya, ia-itu mahiran yang tertentu, yang tidak apabila ia mendapat konterek, kata-lah, dapat tidak kita mesti gunakan tenaga- membuat satu perojek yang besar. nya, maka usul ini telah pun memberi Maka apabila ia hendak menchari kuli keluasan untok menerima mereka itu atau pekerja, yang biasa-nya boleh di- bagi waktu yang tertentu. Tidak ada buat oleh orang negeri ini, maka pertelengkahan, melainkan terhadap mereka sengaja menchari orang yang orang yang menjadi penjuang orang bukan ra'ayat negeri ini, dan tidak yang bukan ra'ayat, orang yang tidak kurang mereka itu di-bawa dari memikirkan kepentingan ra'ayat negeri Singapura untok datang ka-mari, dan ini, tetapi memikirkan orang yang dengan kemudahan2 yang ada mereka bukan ra'ayat negeri ini bagi orang itu dapat bekerja kapada dia. Satu dari- tentu sakit, dan saya hairan-lah kalau 2 2 pada kelebehan menggunakan orang ada manusia yang saperti itu, sebab yang bukan ra'ayat negeri ini ia-lah mereka itu nampak-nya lebeh bertang- mereka itu sanggup bekerja dengan gong jawab kapada orang yang belum upah yang lebeh murah sadikit, dan ini menjadi ra'ayat dan orang yang tidak telah menyebabkan konterektor2 dan menjadi ra'ayat. orang yang hanya memandang kepen- Boleh jadi apa yang di-katakan oleh tingan "material" daripada pekerjaan, Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Larut mereka itu meninggalkan ra'ayat negeri Selatan, negeri ini mempunyai Undang2 ini, dan pada ketika ini berhajat kapada 987 19 JUNE 1961 988 kerja dan yang pada ketika ini juga pertahankan di-kalangan mereka itu boleh menjalankan kerja2 itu sendiri, supaya mereka itu dapat memenohi kerana kerja itu tidak berhajatkan chara2 ini, saya fikir tidak patut kapada kemahiran2 yang tertentu. mereka di-beri kerja dalam negeri ini. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sudah menjadi niat dan juga bagi shor ini baik-lah usul ini dan sudah baik-lah untok menchegah terjadi-nya keadaan2 tujuan-nya dan sa-patut-nya kita yang saperti ini membiarkan negeri fikirkan bersama. ini menghadapi kepayahan2. Tuan Saya tahu bahawa apa yang di- Yang di-Pertua, peri kemanusiaan kehendaki oleh usul ini ada-lah juga dalam soal ini memerhatikan bahawa telah menjadi dasar Kerajaan dan kalau-lah usul ini berjalan, 100 ribu kalau sudah jadi dasar, apa yang di- orang yang akan susah. katakan oleh Menteri Buroh itu dapat di-jadikan undang2. Tuan Yang di- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, negeri kita 2 Pertua, saperti yang di-katakan oleh ini ada mempunyai lapangan yang wakil Pasir Puteh dapat sa-suatu lain yang tertentu. Kita tidak menahan menjalankan dengan kuat-kuasa itu daripada usul ini untok menjalankan sendiri. Juga saya faham dengan perniagaan dalam negeri ini. Kita tidak 2 Menteri Buroh bahawa pandangan ini menahan dengan usul ini orang itu bukan-lah di-jalankan dengan berbaik2 bekerja bagi membolehkan diri-nya fikiran atau perundingan dengan sendiri hidup sa-chara kechil dan kita sharikat2 itu, akan tetapi, Tuan Yang tidak menyekat dengan usul ini 2 di-Pertua, rundingan yang tidak ber- orang yang bertujuan hendak menem- ekor tidak berhujong ada-lah sama patkan diri-nya masok dalam negeri saperti memberikan hulu parang ka- ini sa-belum dia dapat menjadi ra'ayat pada orang yang hendak melawan dan negeri ini, tidak ada, chuma apabila 2 2 kita memegang mata-nya pada ketika masok ka-Industry dan gudang . Per- itu kita tarek mata-nya maka luka-lah kataan gudang2 ia-itu, Tuan Yang 2 tangan kita. Jadi saya fikir segala di-Pertua, kalau kita perhatikan kedai directive hendak-lah di-jadikan undang2 itu bukan gudang, tempat jual ice saperti yang di-kemukakan tadi. scream bukan gudang. Tempat2 yang besar yang ada significant dan ada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soal Industry ma'ana di-dalam-nya itu-lah yang men- yang di-kemukakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Larut Selatan mengata- jadi soal hendak kita kawal dengan 2 usul ini. Maka, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kan Yang Berhormat baharu masok dalam kehidupan yang luas ini tidak- Parlimen bagi kawasan Telok Anson kan-lah terpenyek orang2 yang tidak tadi mengatakan bahawa negeri kita ini ada-lah negeri Industry berhajatkan menjadi ra'ayat negeri ini daripada 2 mendapat susah. Mentelah-nya, Tuan kapada orang yang berpengalaman. Yang di-Pertua, menjadi kesadaran Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau-lah dia kapada kita bahawa sakalian ra'ayat sampai membacha dan dapat melihat : negeri ini sedang kekurangan di-dalam ". . . provided, however, that skilled keadaan tidak dapat pekerjaan. Tuan workers who are not Federal Citizens may be Yang di-Pertua, ada orang yang me- employed for a limited period." ngatakan tidak dosa-nya mereka Kita di-dalam usul ini sudah insaf hendak di-susahkan, hendak di-biar- dengan suasana yang ada dalam negeri kan mereka hidup 20 tahun, 25 tahun ini, kita tahu bahawa di-dalam per- dan 30 tahun, boleh jadi mereka itu kembangan Industry di-dalam per- tidak ada dosa, tetapi saya kata ada kembangan negara kita mungkin dosa ia-itu kalau-lah dia tidak menjadi berhajat kapada bantuan2 yang lebeh. ra'ayat kerana tidak tahu menulis Maka dengan sendiri-nya skilled worker dengan bahasa Melayu sa-sudah hidup yang di-kehendaki itu dapat di-jalan- 20 tahun, ini bukan dosa, Tuan Yang kan kapada orang2 yang bukan ra'ayat di-Pertua, ta' tahu-lah saya. Berapa negeri ini bagi masa yang tertentu. lama mempelajari bahasa kebangsaan Sebab usul ini berpendapat apabila untok menjadi ra'ayat negeri ini, itu 2 skill worker apabila datang di-negeri pun tidak dapat. Orang yang mem- ini tentu-lah tujuan yang besar-nya 989 19 JUNE 1961 990 datang di-negeri ini untok melateh merdeka ini, kita telah meminta pada '~ orang2 negeri ini dapat memberikan pehak pemodal2 luar supaya datang dasar menjadikan kerja2 di-negeri ini ka-mari menanam modal dengan di-punyai oleh ra'ayat negeri ini. Tuan sharat2 membuka perusahaan2 yang Yang di-Pertua, terlanjor sa-tengah besar dan mereka juga memberi sharat Ahli Yang Berhormat mengatakan kita akan memberi kerja2 kapada anak2 hendak bertechnician, kata pembacha negeri terutama sa-kali keutamaan di­ usul ini, usul ini tidak bertanggong­ beri ia-lah pada anak2 Melayu. Dan jawab dengan technician dan ber­ rakan saya Menteri Perdagangan dan tanggong-jawab dengan worker dan Perusahaan telah pun berkata barang tujuan usul ini sendiri ia-lah untok siapa hendak membuka perusahaan menjaga kepentingan2 orang2 yang atau pun gudang2 besar dalam negeri dengan chara diri-nya sendiri boleh ini, maka m,ereka kena-lah rojokkan menjadi buroh sederhana dengan tidak kapada Menteri Perusahaan dan berhajat kapada kemahiran yang besar, Perdagangan dan memberi berbagai2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dan saya tidak­ sharat bagi menolong kapada anak lah dapat memahami sikap Kerajaan negeri ini terutama sa-kali kapada tidak dapat menerima usul ini. anak2 Melayu. J adi soal chadangan hendak mengadakan undang2 bagi The Minister of Transport (Dato' orang atau ra'ayat Tanah Melayu Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Dato' Yang di­ sahaja yang mesti dapat kerja dan Pertua, saya sa-benar-nya tidak hendak orang lain mesti di-berhentikan ia-itu berchakap, oleh kerana Yang Ber­ yang bekerja pada hari ini, tentu-lah hormat Wakil daripada Kota Bharu hal ini tidak adil, sebab. mereka sa­ Hilir, Wakil daripada Pasir Puteh dan tengah-nya sudah bekerja dan mem­ Wakil Bachok telah mengatakan kita punyai beberapa banyak tanggongan di-sabelah sini pehak Kerajaan me­ di-sini. Maka kalau mereka di­ nentang chadangan-nya itu dan tidak 2 berhentikan akan menjadi satu masa­ memandang berat kapada pekerja alah yang kita juga hendak menchari­ orang2 Melayu dalam bahagian2 dan 2 kan kerja kapada mereka itu kerana lapangan kerja kasar. mereka mesti menchari kerja dalam Saya suka menerangkan dalam segi negeri kita ini. pekerjaan ini bahawa Kerajaan Per­ Jadi oleh sebab itu, saya harap ikatan dalam ranchangan 5 tahun-nya kapada pehak yang membawa cha­ telah menguntokkan dua ribu juta dangan ini bukan-lah memikirkan ringgit dan ini kebanyakan-nya dari­ keadaan 30,000 orang tetapi pehak pada hendak membena jalan2 dan Kerajaan dan pehak orang ramai membuat jambatan2 dan segala2-nya memikirkan ratus ribu lagi ra'ayat bagi membuka kebun2 yang baharu tanah ayer kita ini yang akan men­ chara besar2an. Ini satu tujuan yang dapat kerja lebeh baik lagi dalam besar untok memberi peluang bekerja perusahaan2 yang besar yang akan di­ kapada orang Melayu, terutama sa-kali buka dalam negeri ini dengan sharat di-kampong2• akan memberi peluang kerja kapada Saya berseru kapada orang2 kita ra'ayat2 kita dalam tanah ayer kita di­ Melayu supaya keluar mendaftarkan Tanah Melayu ini. 2 nama mereka di-pejabat buroh itu, Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji jadi dapat-lah mereka yang mendaftar­ Abdul Ghani: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kan itu peluang yang pertama ia-itu 2 saya suka menjawab sadikit sa-banyak apabila ada kosong kerja di-mana daripada keritik2 yang di-sampaikan pejabat yang hendak menggunakan 2 2 oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat terutama kaki-tangan yang ramai, maka orang daripada parti2 pembangkang di-atas Melayu yang telah mendaftarkan akan usu! yang saya kemukakan ini. Kapada dapat di-pileh bekerja di-tempat itu. Menteri Perdagangan, saya suka Saya suka memberi pandangan memberi pandangan sadikit ia-itu bahawa di-negeri kita Tanah Melayu walau pun Yang Berhormat Menteri ini boleh di-katakan negeri pertanian, itu mengatakan Undang2 Immigration tetapi oleh kerana sa-sudah kita yang ketat yang sedang berjalan dalam 991 19 JUNE 1961 992 Tanah Melayu pada hari ini supaya project2 dengan tidak kita mengadakan bangsa2 asing yang bukan ra'ayat satu undang2 yang sa-benar-nya bagi negeri ini tidak di-bolehkan masok ka­ mengawal dan melindong anak2 negeri dalam negeri ini ia-itu Kerajaan akan ini maka apa yang akan jadi pada memandang berat supaya peluang2 anak2 negeri ini pada masa yang akan kerja di-beri kapada anak2 negeri datang, dan apa-kah akibat-nya yang dengan berperatoran yang di-buat oleh akan berlaku pada anak2 negeri ini. Kerajaan, umpama-nya dalam la­ pangan perusabaan dan perdagangan Saya terkejut bila mendengar wakil dan juga dalam gudang2 di-mana yang berchakap tadi sambil beliau Kerajaan pemah mendapat kerjasama mempertahankan dan memperjuangkan " daripada mereka itu supaya anak orang yang bukan warga negara negeri ini mendapat .kerja dalam Persekutuan mengatakan kalau-lah gudang2 dan perusahaan itu, dan bagitu usul ini di-terima maka 100,000 juga dalam Jabatan2 Kerajaan di­ manusia yang bukan warga negara mana directive telah di-sampaikan Persekutuan yang bekerja atau berkhidmat dalam perusahaan atau kapada pejabat2 supaya pekerja2 dalam 2 Jabatan2 Kerajaan itu di-ambil dari gudang akan menimpa kehidupan warga negara negeri ini. Maka bagitu yang burok. Ini kapada beliau, saya juga Menteri itu tadi telah menerang· suka menyatakan ia-1tu kira-nya pehak Dewan ini menerima usul ini ia-itu kan ini-lah yang menjadi dasar 2 Kerajaan kita. Alhamdulillah dengan satu undang yang akan berjalan dan penerangan Menteri Yang Berhormat undang2 ini tidak akan mendzalimkan itu ia-itu Kerajaan telah menjadikan kapada orang yang maseh bekerja dasar supaya anak negeri ini di-beri dalam gudang2 pada hari ini, tetapi satu dasar boleh-lah di-ator oleh peluang dengan sa-penoh-nya dalam 2 segala lapangan. Dengan ini menunjok­ Kerajaan supaya beransor orang yang kan yang Menteri itu berchakap di­ bukan warga negara ini yang bekerja atas semangat-nya yang ada pada dalam gudang2 dan di-gantikan oleh warga negara dalam negeri ini, tetapi warga negara negeri ini. Tetapi saya semangat itu tidak-lah bagitu chukup terkejut apabila beliau itu berchakap sambil menerangkan tentang tidak kerana beliau tidak mahu dan tidak 2 setuju supaya di-terima usul ini puas hati-nya di-atas · undang menjadi undang2 dalam negeri ini. kera'ayatan yang telah berjalan dalam negeri ini hingga banyak orang yang Bagitu juga Menteri Yang Berhonnat bukan warga negara Persekutuan yang baharu berchakap tadi membawa Tanah Melayu tidak n;iendapat perhatian kapada kemajuan luar kera'ayatan dalam negeri ini, dan bandar ia-itu tujuan2 ranchangan luar kalau wakil2 daripada pehak pem­ bandar itu memberi peluang kapada bangkang yang lain bagitu-lah juga anak2 negeri, tetapi saya suka men­ menggambarkan di-atas keburokan datangkan pertanyaan tentang ke­ yang terjadi dalam negeri ini sa-kira­ nya usul ini di-terima menjadi undang2, majuan luar bandar yang telah berjalan 2 dalam negeri kita ini ada-lah satu tetapi tidak ada langsong orang kewajipan Kerajaan Persekutuan itu berchakap apa-kah chara-nya bagi 2 mengatasi keburokan yang akan Tanah Melayu, dengan ada-nya jalan 2 raya yang tersibar dalam tanah ayer berlaku kapada anak negeri yang kita ini dan dengan ada-nya jalan2 mempunyai hak dalam negeri ini. Apa­ raya ini maka peluang2 pemiagaan kah akibat kapada mereka itu? sudah tumboh, tetapi malang-nya Tetapi hanya mementingkan di-atas perdagangan dan perusahaan atau orang2 yang bukan warga negara pekedai2 yang tumboh berhampiran Persekutuan Tanah Melayu maka dengan jalan baharu ini ada-lah sa-patut-nya saya menyatakan bagai­ banyak terdiri dari orang2 asing dan mana-kah tanggong jawab Ahli2 antara-nya yang bukan warga negara Yang Berhormat itu terhadap negeri Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. Maka ini dan terhadap ra'ayat yang mem­ dengan ada-nya di-jalankan kemajuan punyai hak dalam negara-nya sendiri. luar bandar dengan membanyakkan Kapada jagoh pembelaan-orang2 yang 993 19 JUNE 1961 994 bukan warga negara negeri ini, saya designed to eliminate the most active mengingatkan bahawasa-nya kalau sa- and vocal leaders of Opposition Parties. suatu perlindongan, sa-suatu dasar The Act has been framed in a manner tidak dapat di-jalankan dengan tegas which enables the Minister concerned dalam negeri ini, akibat-nya burok dan to lay his hands on all those who pose harus akan menimpa sa-suatu dalam as a threat to the political positions of negeri ini apabila anak negeri ini yang Government Members. akan merasa kehimpitan penghidupan Sir, first of all, let us ask: Was there dalam negeri-nya sendiri. Maka ini any necessity to replace the 12-year-old patut-lah menjadi pandangan kapada Emergency Regulations on 31st July, mereka yang dudok dalam negeri ini 1960? The usual slogan by the Govern- yang di-pileh sa-bagai wakil ra'ayat ment has been that this legislation was dalam Tanah Melayu. introduced to counteract the threat of Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya kemuka- communism in this country, Sir, under kan chadangan ini dengan niat yang the cloak of this the law has been used suchi murni supaya sa-suatu di- to penalise political opponents who do jalankan dengan adil, timbang rasa not contribute to the capitalist ideo- terhadap anak negeri hari ini. Kalau logies of the ruling Party. Sir, in my kita lihat dalam gudang2, perusahaan2 humble opinion, this legislation has kebanyakan pekerja2 itu terdiri dari- been introduced as a calculated attempt pada ra'ayat yang bukan warga to destroy the rising political conscious- negara . . . ness of the people of this country. If the Government intends to fight commu- Mr. Speaker: Saya hendak mengi- nism in this country it cannot be ngatkan—hak tuan menjawab ini ia-lah achieved by legislation of this nature or kapada perkara yang di-bangkitkan by building more concentration camps. tentang usul ini sahaja. Perkara baharu The minds of the people can only be tidak dapat di-chakapkan sekarang ini. won by eliminating poverty and misery Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji from our midst. Abdul Ghani: Oleh itu, Tuan Yang di- Sir, on 30th November, 1960, two Pertua, saya berharap kapada Dewan active trade unionists were arrested. ini terutama pehak Kerajaan supaya This was the first blow struck on trade dapat menimbangkan sa-mula supaya union leaders under the Internal usul ini dapat di-terima dan satu 2 Security Act of 1960. To my astonish- undang dapat di-jalankan dalam ment, Sir, what are the charges? The negeri ini agar terkawal, terlindong charges were, as stated, that these kapada ra'ayat atau anak negeri ini members who have been arrested were dalam tanah ayer kita sendiri. involved in subversive activities, Sir, Question put, and negatived. according to the Oxford dictionary, subversive means to overthrow. I do INTERNAL SECURITY ACT, 1960 not find anything wrong to overthrow any government through constitutional Arrest and detention of Socialist Front process so long as it is in conformity Leaders and Trade Union Workers with the established law of that country. Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Mr. Sir, four active trade unionists were Speaker, Sir, I beg to move, arrested on 30th October, 1957, under That this House views with great concern the then Emergency Regulations and the use of the Internal Security Act, 1960, by their detention is continued under the the Government to arrest and detain twelve Socialist Front Leaders and two trade union present Internal Security Act. Most of workers. the trade union leaders and members of the Socialist Front who have been Sir, while moving this motion I would arrested in the past have been holding like to make my comments on the important and prominent positions in Internal Security Act of 1960 itself. Sir, the Party. first of all, I must point out that the Internal Security Act of 1960 is the Mr. Speaker, Sir, the ruling Party most oppressive piece of legislation has been fearing the growing popularity 995 19 JUNE 1961 996 of these said leaders who have been name of democratic ideals as stated by arrested, and their ability to influence the Alliance leaders. the working masses of this country Sir, I have had reliable information towards unity and towards ideological that a famous man by the name of views. Douglas Hyde, a world expert in brain Mr. Speaker, Sir, under the law there washing, has been called upon by the is the said Advisory Board. It is a Malayan Government to come to shame on the part of the Government Malaya to deal with detainees. I also to allow the Advisory Board to hear understand that this gentleman was objections by the detainees—objections accommodated at Sungai Patani and raised by the detainees are usually that detainees were sent there. This conveyed by the Advisory Board to the man had interviews with them and Government and the Government recommended that certain detainees makes the final decision as to whether should be injected with drugs so that an individual should or should not be they could be reformed to think as the released. In all cases, or in most cases, Alliance leaders think. As a result of the Advisory Board's advice have these activities some detainees have always been refused by the Government become insane .... under one pretext or another. To my opinion, Sir, the Advisory Board is an AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: Proof. eye-wash; it is to hoodwink the public to say that the objections of detainees Enche' V. David: Somebody asks are heard by the Government. Usually, for proof, and I can give names if Sir, the Advisory Board serves no necessary at a later stage. useful purpose at all. I do not like to Mr. Speaker: Order! Order! You question the integrity and dignity of the must address your remarks to me. members of the Advisory Board, Sir, but I can only say that it is a shame Enche' V. David: Sir, this man, on the part of the members who hold Mr. Douglas Hyde had been once a positions in the Advisory Board, prominent Communist and later he was because they have no authority to accepted internationally to go round decide. the world to preach anti-Communism. Sir, most of these people arrested Mr. Speaker: How is that relevant were by reports of the Special Branch. to the motion before the House? The The Special Branch, as usual, does not motion says, "That this House views possess proper records of political with great concern the use of the leaders. The usual records are heresay Internal Security Act, 1960, by the evidences collected from coffee shops or Government to arrest and detain twelve from bars. If a Special Branch officer Socialist Front Leaders and two trade is assigned to follow a political leader union workers." from Johore Bahru to Singapore, usually the so-called Special Branch Enche' V. David: This concerns the officer would remain in a coffee shop fate of the detainees in this country or a bar and his reports are usually who hold different political ideologies. imaginative; and under such imagina- tive reports political leaders have Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is cruel treat- become victims in this country. ment in detention camps. A person without his knowledge is usually Sir, in cases where detainees are transported either from Muar Detention released, conditions are imposed on Camp or from Batu Gajah right up to them: such as, they are not entitled to Sungai Patani to see Mr. Douglas Hyde. take part in political activities; they Mr. Douglas Hyde, after several inter- can only remain within a certain views, recommends to this Government limited area; they must report to the that these people be injected with Police once a day or once a week; and drugs, and the Government follows. As they must remain indoors from 6 p.m. a result of this, many innocent people to 6 a.m. These are done under the who do not contribute to the ideals and 997 19 JUNE 1961 998 objects of the Alliance Government should bring them before a Court of have become insane. Sir, all these are Law for open trial under the law of done under the name of democracy. this country. It is a shame on the part of the Govern- ment to practise such mean activities, Sir, I beg to move. which I find are only done in Nazi Camps. Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to Mr. Speaker, Sir, who are the twelve second the motion while reserving my detainees detained by the Government? right to speak at a later stage. One is by the name of Mr. Kok Pak Nee, supposed to be the Assistant The Minister of Internal Security General-Secretary of the Socialist Front; (Dato' Dr. Ismail): Mr. Speaker, Sir, another gentleman is Mr. Foo Chong the Honourable Member for Bungsar, Ho, an elected member of the Jinjang the Mover of this motion, has Local Council and who was also the once again raised in this House Chairman of the Jinjang Local Council. the subject of preventive detention. These elected representatives of the The principle of such detention has, public were arrested under the so-called over the past years, been discussed Internal Security Act. Only the Govern- at great length on several occasions ment finds subversive activities within in this House, including the debates on the Socialist Front; and usually arrests the Constitution (Amendment) Bill and are made among the members of the on the Internal Security Bill. The Socialist Front. I say so, because I am Honourable Member himself introduced sure that the Government fears the a motion in somewhat similar terms growing popularity of the Party, which in September of last year and the has become a threat to most of the subject was referred to during the Ministers among the Ruling Party. debate on the Budget at the end of last year. It is fortunate that the Honour- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must state that able Mover has raised the subject once if this legislation is continued to be again, as this gives me the opportunity used to victimise political opponents, to state once again to this House and then we cannot call this country a to the people of this country the democratic country. There are laws and policy of the Government in regard codes in this country to deal with to the Communist conspiracy, to which people who commit offences. If the the Honourable Member has referred Government has substantial evidence in his speech, although it is not to prove that a man has indulged in according to my liking. subversive activities which are uncon- stitutional, which may be construed as Sir, it will be observed at the outset against the law, such individuals can that we in this country have a strong be tried in open Court under the desire to maintain and strengthen our established law of this country. But it democratic way of life. One of the is a tragedy to keep persons for a foundations of this democratic way of number of years in concentration life is the parliamentary system under camps. There are detainees in the which there exists a parliamentary camps of this country who have been opposition which can criticise the detained for the last five or six years. Government. Now, Sir, the Honourable Usually the Advisory Board makes a Member in introducing the motion did recommendation for release under say that the Internal Security Act was surety, and they call for persons to designed to stifle Opposition Members, stand as guarantors. When the persons to oppress them and to prevent them are found to stand as guarantors, the from being vocal. Sir, I have consulted decision is reversed later as a result of doctors and I am told that I am not the advice of the Government. deaf, and I am sure so are the Honourable Members in this House. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in my opinion, I The Honourable Mover is anything but feel that the Government should release silent in this House, and I do not think the detainees who are arrested, or it the Honourable Member can be as 999 19 JUNE 1961 1000 vocal as he is in this House under the but would like to repeat again, that the democratic system when he is in a arrests were made not because the Communist country. It is because we persons concerned were members of favour this system of Government, this any legal political parties or trade democratic system of Government, unions but because, in line with the that we have on the Opposition Bench policies and tactics of the Communist Honourable Members who have the Party of Malaya as exposed in White right, and who frequently exercise that Paper No. 23 of 1959, they were to right, to criticise the present Govern- exploit their membership and position ment. They may do it according to in the parties and trade unions to their ways, according to the manner further the aims and policies of the in which they are brought up, but they Communist Party of Malaya. Sir, I put voice their criticisms. They may do it it to you that it would be absurd to according to their background, and think that just because a person was a many in this House, and I especially, member of a legal political party, or have had the honour and privilege on a legal trade union, he would have many occasions to reply to those immunity from arrest on account of his criticisms. If, however, we turn our subversive activities. eyes to countries which are under the Sir, it would appear from the terms Communist yoke, we see that vocal of the motion, and after hearing the Opposition is conspicuous by its Honourable Member speaking in absence. support of it, that the Honourable I hope the Honourable Member Member is concerned only with the will note that tragedy and fact. Oppo- interests of the individuals and not with sition there is, of course, but it is the wellbeing of the country as a not heard and its representatives do whole: he views with great concern the not have the privilege of rising and use of the Internal Security Act to freely giving their views in the public detain members of the Socialist Front forum. This is one of the differences and trade union workers. Should he not between our democratic way of life be concerned at all with the use by and that of the communist system. It is the Communist Party of the Socialist also one of the reasons why we in this Front and trade unions to further the country have rejected and will continue aims of communism? (Applause). to reject communism. Leaders of political parties must either be conscious or unconscious of penetra Sir, international communism has tion or infiltration by the Communist tried to extend its influence in this Party. It is evident from the terms of country by two methods—firstly, by this motion that the Honourable Mover armed struggle, that is by terrorism; is aware that twelve members of the and secondly by subversion. After Socialist Front have been arrested. twelve long years of the Emergency, I have assured him that these persons the people of this country have defeated are not arrested because of their communist terrorism and have elimi- membership of his Party, but because nated all terrorists, except for the few they are exploiting their membership who continue to lurk in the Thai/ to further the aims of the Communist Malayan border area. However, the Party. Need I appeal to the Honourable danger of communist subversion is still Member and other leaders of his Party with us, and I will repeat what has to use their influence to eradicate the been said several times before—that it cancer of communism from the Party is the declared policy of this Govern- and from the whole country? If they ment to stamp out this communist are not prepared to do so, then I must subversion wherever it may be found. take strong action against those who. (Applause). I think, are acting against the interest of the country. The Honourable Mover of this motion has referred to the arrest of Sir, I will now give some typical Socialist Front members and trade examples of the activities and affilia- union workers. I have said it before, tions of persons who have been 1001 19 JUNE 1961 1002 detained for subversive activities in following year he made a special study political parties. The first example of the technique of communist indoc- concerns a Chinese youth who in 1956 trination of young people. In 1957 on became a founder member of a Com- instruction from leaders of a Communist munist party of Malaya satellite Party of Malaya satellite organisation, organisation, which was formed at that he joined a socialist political party and time by senior communist terrorists. worked his way up in the party's In the following year on the instruction hierarchy. Within two years he of this satellite organisation, he joined obtained a very high position in the a socialist political party for the party. He remained in touch with the purpose of promoting the Communist Malayan Communist Party satellite Party of Malaya united front pro- organisation leaders and received gramme under cover of that party. instructions from them from time to time. As a politician he sought every Within twelve months he held an opportunity to press forward the important post in a Branch of that Communist Party of Malaya united party. Whilst in this position, he used front policy. every opportunity to propagate the Communist Party of Malaya policy Now, Sir, I come to the two trade and maintained contact with the unionists who are detained on account satellite organisation from which he of activities prejudicial to the security received directions. of this country. These activities were I now come to the second example. precisely those advocated by the China In the middle of 1958, another youth Communist Party policy document joined an illegal underground Com- upon which was based the Communist munist Party of Malaya satellite Party of Malaya's directions on the organisation in the activities of which penetration of the labour movement. he took a leading part. He also joined This policy document advocated pene- a legal political party on the instruc- tration of yellow labour unions. I tion of a leader of the satellite should observe that this term means organisation and carried out the unions which are non-communist. Now, Communist Party of Malaya united Sir, I would like to make the following front work, which included propaganda quotation from the document— for the Chinese People's Government "Our comrades and revolutionary workers under cover of this party in which he should enrol in such yellow labour unions became an office bearer. In 1960 he and participate in the work and activities of was nominated by his political party such unions, and also exploit those unions as a candidate for election to a Local and organise the masses. Labour sections are to be set up at various levels within the Council and was subsequently elected. communist party so as to direct activities of While he was in the Police lock-up, he the labour movement. We should strive our introduced communist activities among utmost to win seats at every election of these the other prisoners and even attempted unions and to gain control of their directing to form a secret communist indoctrina- organs (high and low levels)." tion cell amongst the other prisoners. Sir, this House is well aware of the Sir, in the third example, the person dangers of communism to this country received his initial communist indoc- and has several times in the past trination while he was at school in supported the use of preventive Kuala Lumpur. In 1952 he became a detention to assist in countering the cell leader of a study group, the dangers. I have, therefore, nothing primary purpose of which was to further to add except to say that the encourage and to assist in a form of Government strongly opposes the communist indoctrination. In 1954 he motion and that as long as I remain became a member of an illegal under- a Minister I will go on to persecute ground communist satellite organisa- these communists and prevent them tion in Selangor—it was at that time from destroying the nation. (Applause). under the direct control of high ranking communist terrorists. In the Sitting suspended at 1.05 p.m. 1003 19 JUNE 1961 1004 Sitting resumed at 8.30 p.m. fulfilled its objective. Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is apart from this motion. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) What we are concerned in this motion is the arbitrary and unprincipled use of Mr. Speaker: The debate on the the Internal Security Ordinance against motion standing in the name of the twelve members of one of the Opposi- Honourable Mr. V. David will resume. tion Parties and two trade unionists— and although the Honourable Minister Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- had made an incursion into communism sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, today we and anti-communism, that is besides heard from the Honourable Minister the issue in this motion. of Internal Security that as long as he lives so long will he continue to persecute the communists. At last that Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was counsel for a mask of decency and democracy has number of these detainees when their been flung, and we have the steel claws, cases came up for review. You do not or kuku besi, exposed in front of the have charges against them, you only eyes of the entire nation. But let me have allegations; and these persons tell the Honourable Minister that there have been arrested on the flimsiest of is no surer way for him to establish all allegations. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. communism in Malaya than to take on Foo Chong Ho, a very honoured, a the role of persecutor against it, very respectable, you may call him the because all past history has shown that foremost citizen in Jinjang had it an idea is never destroyed by persecu- alleged against him that he listened to tion. If the Honourable Minister Radio Peking. Mr. Speaker, Sir, firstly wishes to combat communism, then he I do not know whether the Malayan must counterpose it with an ideology Government is engaged in jamming that can be a reply. Then he must show radios, or whether it is an offence to a programme which is better than that use a radio. But the fact is that Mr. of the communists; then he must Foo Chong Ho told the Advisory remove the inequalities that exist in Board that his radio set was not Malayan life. If he could devote his strong enough to receive news from energies to raising the standard of outside Malaya, and he said that that living of the ra'ayat in this country, set was still available in his house for if he could devote his energy to anybody to check up. Mr. Speaker, Sir, remove poverty, then I think he this explanation speaks for itself. would achieve his object far more Another allegation against Mr. Foo than by indulging in fanatic persecution. Chong Ho was that he called upon As one of the leading trade unionists in the students and the people of this this country had said, nothing can be country to overthrow the Government achieved by sterile anti-communism. of the Federation of Malaya in the You cannot achieve anything by just style that occurred in South Korea. being against something. You must But, Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Foo Chong show that what you have is better Ho explained that at that rally where than what the other has. he spoke he said that he wished the Malayan Government would act in Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable time to see that the conditions that Minister went on to say very valiantly came to pass in South Korea did not that after 12 years he had defeated the arise in Malaya. It is very strange, Sir, communists in Malaya. But, Mr. that although there was this allegation Speaker, Sir, he is too prejudiced a against Mr. Foo Chong Ho—that he person because he has taken sides and incited people to overthrow the Govern- his judgment cannot be that of an ment of the Federation of Malaya— impartial historian. But as far as along with the papers, that were in history will reveal, it was that once the hands of the Chairman of the the British gave independence to this Advisory Board was a verbatim report country, however reluctantly, the of the speech of Mr. Foo Chong Ho armed struggle against the British and it entirely agreed with what Mr. ceased by itself, because it had Foo Chong Ho had said—and even 1005 19 JUNE 1961 1006 the Chairman of the Advisory Board the value of these allegations. It was admitted that Mr. Foo Chong Ho's not the first time that, politically, these statement was correct and entirely points had been brought out in our harmless. That indicates the danger country. that although the Police have facts Mr. Speaker, Sir, another allegation before them they can twist them and against him was that he was a power present them against any person. behind a group to seize positions of Mr. Speaker, Sir, the allegations importance in the Party Rakyat. This against Mr. Tan Pin Yin, who was a allegation was also made against Mr. leading member of Party Rakyat and Koh Pak Ngee, who was the Assistant of the Socialist Front in Selangor, were General Secretary of the Socialist as follows. It is said that of the three Front. of the 50 resolutions of the Party Mr. Speaker: Do you have to go Rakyat, Selangor, submitted at the into the details of these detainees? I Party Rakyat Congress in 1959, were am not the Chairman of the Advisory in keeping with Communist Party Board. I do not think it is necessary to policy. Now, what were these three go into the allegations against each of resolutions? They were: these detainees. (1) That the Party Rakyat, Selangor was against arbitrary arrests; Enche' K. Karam Singh: It may be (2) That the Party Rakyat, Selangor, a question of detail, Sir, but in my demanded the withdrawal of opinion it shows that these arrests are foreign troops from Malayan entirely unfounded. soil; Mr. Speaker: I think you must con- (3) That the Party Rakyat, Selangor, fine yourself to the general principles. was against the Emergency Proceed! Regulations and the Internal Enche' K. Karam Singh: Sir, this Security Act. allegation that they were out to seize Mr. Speaker, Sir, long before 1960, positions of influence in Party Rakyat we had spoken against arbitrary is again unfounded, because they were arrests of any individual; and long elected, by democratic process, by before that, when the Honourable members of the Party. But if it is an Mover of this motion was arrested, we offence to become a leader in a party staged rallies all over the country and to hold important positions, Sir, condemning the Government for having then I must say that the first persons arbitrarily arrested him. What was the who must be locked up are the Minis- crime committed in voicing opposition ters concerned, because they strove to against arbitrary arrests? It was a become leaders in their party and then simple, decent human demand. they planned and did seize power With regard to withdrawal of in Government positions as Cabinet foreign troops, Mr. Speaker, Sir, long Ministers (Laughter). before 1960, in our statements at Mr. Speaker, Sir, another allegation public rallies, we had called for the was that Mr. Tan Pin, Ying was withdrawal of foreign troops from this expelled from his school in August, country. 1958. He left school with a School Leaving Certificate in November or With regard to the Emergency December of 1957, so how could he Regulations, Mr. Speaker, Sir, long have been expelled. Even common before 1960, when every time the sense would have prevented anyone Emergency Regulations came up for from bringging up this allegation. But it renewal, time and again our Party took was brought up, so we could see what a stand against their renewal. weight could be attached to it. There Mr. Speaker, Sir, these allegations were nine charges against Koh Pak against Mr. Tan Pin Ying were base- Ngee, and six out of these nine charges less and should not have been made or allegations were supposed to against him at all, and we cannot see have taken place before December, 1007 19 JUNE 1961 1008

1955—six years ago—when he was in Mr. Speaker, Sir, the proceedings of school, and yet those allegations were the Advisory Board are secret proceed- brought forward for school activities. ings. They are held within the four Mind you, Sir, they were just allega- walls of a room, and no one apart from tions—allegations without anything to the person detained or his counsel is back them. allowed. It is entirely closed to the public. Sir, the Advisory Board is a Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will illustrate mockery of a Court and, although a with only one more instance of this Judge sits on it, it is far from being a baseless allegation. It was alleged that Court. Although the Judge sits on the Mr. Tan Pin Ying in 1956, in the Advisory Board, he does not in that month of June, supplied food to the Advisory Board perform the true func- Communists in Cameron Highlands. At tions of a Judge. How can a Judge that time, Sir, Mr. Tan Pin Ying was perform the functions of a Judge when studying in school in Penang during the what he has is untested evidence before whole of the month of June; so this him, when he does not have witnesses? allegation was entirely baseless. And When he does not have all these, how if that was so, Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is can you say that justice is being admi- very remarkable that after almost five nistered? Sir, the only place where years that should be alleged as a evidence can be tested is in open Court. ground for arresting him in 1960. Although the Judge, or the Chairman of the Advisory Board, can go behind Mr. Speaker, Sir, Malaya today is and look into the file, that is not the the victim of the paid petty informer way to check the accuracy of evidence. who has to inform in order to earn his Evidence should only be checked in bread, and politicians in Malaya are also the victims of disgruntled political open Court, in front of all the Parties opponents. In our political activities concerned, with the person who gives we may have to criticise other parties that evidence in Court. when we contest elections; we may have to defeat other candidates, and Further, the procedure of the Advi- there may be people who suffer heart- sory Board contravenes the fundamental burning. And there is nothing to pre- principles of justice in another respect. vent a person who has lost in an We have heard, in many cases, of election or whose policy has been Judges refusing to take a case, refusing criticised from sending in a report to to judge in a case where, from their the Police. own personal knowledge, they know the facts of the case. Even the Jury who Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Internal were supposed to be laymen cannot sit Security Act is administered by cloak as Jury, if they know the facts from activities, under that dark force called their personal knowledge. But what Pasokan Mata2 Gelap. Mr. Speaker, happens in the proceedings before the Sir, the Advisory Board, as my Advisory Board or in the Advisory Honourable friend, the Mover, has Board is that the Special Branch file is pointed out, is just a farce. And why put into the hands of the Chairman of is it a farce? No laws of evidence are the Advisory Board, and inside the file observed, and whatever is alleged is the Chairman sees all the reports, paint- just a ghostly affair, without any person ing the detainee as black as could be. coming forward, without any identity How could the Chairman of the Advi- given and without any chance of sory Board mete out justice when his cross-examination. We do not even mind has been prejudiced, when his know whether those persons exist or mind has been darkened against the not, or whether they are just names detainee? put up to convince someone that these have been actual allegations. For all Mr. Speaker: I must warn you that we know, Sir, they may just be names under Standing Order 36 (8) you cannot made up from the minds of certain say anything about the conduct or Special Branch people to be presented character of any person engaged in the as reports. administration of justice. 1009 19 JUNE 1961 1010 Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr. Spea- habat2-nya, kerana apa tidak di-minta ker, Sir, with great humility, I would supaya orang2 ini di-kemukakan ka- suggest that I am not commenting on Mahkamah atau pun di-mansokhkan the conduct or character of the Judge undang2 berkenaan dengan Keselamatan in a Court of Law. I am only touching Dalam Negeri. Majlis ini ia-itu Dewan on the proceedings of the Advisory Yang Berhormat ini telah pun menge- Board which does not constitute a sahkan undang2 itu dan telah pun ber- Court in our country. With great jalan kuat-kuasa-nya dan sekarang pula humility I submit that, and I do not di-kehendaki kita merasa khuatir di- bring into question any particular atas undang2 yang kita telah luluskan person or the conduct of any particular dan persetujukan itu. Pada pendapat person. I am commenting generally. saya, perkara ini ia-lah sangat pelek. Ta' patut sangat kita berasa khuatir So, Mr. Speaker, Sir, we find that the di-atas undang2 yang kita semua telah procedure of the Advisory Board terima itu. tramples upon all accepted rules of evidence in our country. Yang kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Mr. Speaker, Sir, lastly, although the sa-bagai sa-buah Kerajaan yang telah Advisory Board itself—its constitution di-amanahkan kapada kita untok men- and its procedure—is so much against jaga, mengawal keselamatan bagi justice, another hindrance remains, or ra'ayat jelata ini; maka menjadi sa- another obstacle remains, in meeting bagai kewajipan kita pehak Kerajaan out justice to the victims of the Internal ini menjalankan tugas-nya bagi Security Act—to the detainees—and keselamatan ra'ayat dengan mengguna- that obstacle is this: despite its short- kan sa-barang undang2 dan sa-barang comings if the Advisory Board recom- chara bagi kepentingan untok kesela- mends the release of any particular matan ra'ayat jelata. Sa-kira-nya victim of this Act, the Minister con- di-longgar2kan atau di-mudah2kan cerned can override that Advisory maka dengan ini tetap sa-kali sa-buah Board. Sir, from this we find that Kerajaan itu tidak menjalankan justice is not done. Injustice is done, kewajipan-nya dengan sa-penoh-nya. and on our part we condemn the un- Sa-kira-nya kita perhatikan baik2, ada principled arrest of these decent citi- beberapa gulongan atau parti siasah zens in our country under vague atau fahaman2 daripada luar negeri pretexts to prevent a political party yang menggunakan democracy untok from rising and displacing the present hendak menggulingkan pemerentahan party in power. Thank you. democracy berparlimen. Jadi ini-lah satu perkara yang sa-patut-nya kita Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- awasi muga2 ranchangan yang demikian rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana yang telah terjadi di- saya bangun membangkang chadangan negara2 tetangga kita saperti yang telah ini, oleh kerana kalau kita bacha bunyi berlaku di-Korea dan juga di-Vietnam ayat-nya—Ia-itu Majlis ini sangat2 dan kita telah perhatikan perkara ini. khuatir berkenaan dengan penggunaan Undang2 Keselamatan Dalam Negeri Sa-bagaimana tudohan wakil dari tahun 1960. Chuma di-tujukan kapada Damansara mengatakan bahawa Yang Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Dewan ini Berhormat Menteri Keselamatan Dalam supaya menaroh timbang rasa dan Negeri telah berkata bahawa Kerajaan mempunyai khuatir sahaja. Jadi saya telah mengalahkan faham kominis. sa-bagai sa-orang Ahli Majlis ini, boleh, Perkataan-nya itu tidak benar. Yang hendak berasa khuatir sahaja, tetapi saya dengar ia-lah Yang Berhormat manakala telah di-terangkan oleh Ahli Menteri Keselamatan Dalam Negeri Yang Berhormat wakil dari Bungsar menyatakan Kerajaan telah berjaya beliau takut penangkapan dan per- mengalahkan pergerakan kominis chara tahanan orang2 ini tidak di-kemukakan bersenjata, tetapi Kerajaan maseh lagi kapada Mahkamah dan lain2-nya. Sa- menentang faham kominis yang me- kira-nya Ahli Yang Berhormat itu nyeludup. Yang Berhormat wakil dari timbang rasa sunggoh2 di-atas sa- Damansara mengatakan kalau sa- 1011 19 JUNE 1961 1012 benar2-nya Kerajaan hendak meng- siasah-nya daripada bergerak, Tuan hapuskan faham kominis Kerajaan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 ini di-tujukan patut mengadakan ranchangan2 bagi bukan kapada parti2 siasah, tetapi faedah orang mi skin, orang yang susah di-tujukan kapada mereka2 yang men- dan orang yang lapar di-luar bandar chuba mengganggu perjalanan demo- khas-nya. Saya ingin menarek per- krasi yang kita sukai, waima parti hatian Yang Berhormat wakil dari siasah mana sa-kali pun. Undang2 ini Damansara ia-itu Kerajaan telah pun akan di-tujukan. Oleh itu saya berasa menyediakan ranchangan ini—(AN hairan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hear, hear) ia- tahu atau sengaja tidak tahu atas itu Ranchangan Pembangunan Luar segala pergerakan 12 orang yang di- Bandar sa-bagaimana fahaman yang chontohi oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telah di-sebutkan oleh Yang Teramat tadi. Kalau Ahli Yang Berhormat itu Mulia Perdana Menteri. Kami pehak tahu, maka ada-lah menjadi satu ke- Perikatan tidak ada fahaman lain. wajipan yang besar bagi beliau Untok hendak menghapuskan kominis menyengkerkan mereka daripada parti- atau faham kominis, kami memper- nya. Dan jika Ahli Yang Berhormat juangkan di-atas satu dasar ia-itu itu tidak tahu, maka ini saya rasa "laparism" nama-nya. Jadi tujuan memalukan parti-nya yang pengaroh- Kerajaan ia-lah hendak meninggikan nya di-agong2kan dalam negeri ini. taraf hidup ra'ayat jelata di-luar bandar khas-nya dan dalam bandar Kita telah mendengar sadikit sa- juga. Tugas yang besar pada Kerajaan banyak penerangan daripada Menteri hari ini ia-lah menghapuskan fahaman2 yang bertanggong jawab, maka saya itu dan menjauhkan daripada penye- rasa tidak sa-patut-nya-lah kita terima ludupan ia-lah dengan meninggikan usul yang ada di-hadapan kita ini taraf hidup ra'ayat jelata sakalian. sa-lagi orang ramai suka Kerajaan yang demokrasi, tetapi jika sa-suatu 2 Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah- undang yang telah di-luluskan maka mud (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di- kita pula chuba hendak mendolak- Pertua, usul yang ada di-hadapan kita dalek atau pun hendak mengenepikan, ini bukan-lah usul baharu. Usul ini maka saya rasa itu-lah chara yang ia-lah usul lama tetapi di-buat dengan tidak di-sukai' oleh ra'ayat Persekutuan chara putar-belit ia-itu usul menunjok- Tanah Melayu. 2 kan tidak puas hati beliau atas Undang Saya ada memerhatikan bukan di- Keselamatan yang ada dalam negeri ini Dewan ini sahaja bahkan di-Majlis yang telah kita putuskan dalam Dewan Tempatan di-mana Undang2 telah di- ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ra'ayat luluskan dengan chara demokrasi dan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu yang di-sukai' oleh orang ramai, tetapi bila chintakan hidup sa-chara demokrasi mereka2 saperti Ahli Yang Berhormat yang ada pada masa ini tentu-lah menchuba hendak menentang dan me- berasa ia-itu apa yang di-putuskan oleh ngenepikan Undang2 itu, maka tampil- Dewan ini ada-lah satu perkara yang lah ka-hadapan ahli2 parti yang di-sukai ramai. Jadi pada mereka yang sa-macham Ahli Yang Berhormat ini berasa tidak puas hati dan berasa membela mereka2 yang menentang bimbang chuba menyuarakan perkara undang2 yang telah di-luluskan. ini beberapa kali dalam Dewan ini sunggoh pun telah gagal tiap2 kali Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jika keadaan di-suarakan. negeri ini tidak tegas sa-bagaimana yang di-jalankan pada masa ini, saya Saya nasihatkan kapada mereka itu tidak tahu barangkali huru-hara yang satu sahaja—chari-lah tempat yang 2 besar akan terjadi dalam negeri ini. boleh menjalankan kehendak Ahli Dengan itu saya perchaya bukan Yang Berhormat itu, ia-itu pintu negeri ini sentiasa terbuka dengan luas-nya. sahaja Dewan ini bahkan mereka yang chintakan damai dan hidup Tentang tudohan-nya yang mengata- dengan sa-chara demokrasi tidak akan kan Kerajaan menggunakan Undang2 menerima usul yang ada di-hadapan ini untok menahan pergerakan2 parti kita ini. 1013 19 JUNE 1961 1014

The Deputy Prime Minister (Tun irregular statements in this House, and Haji Abdul Razak): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am surprised that as a lawyer he has I only wish to participate in this not read the Internal Security Act, of debate because both the Honourable which he has been talking a lot in this Member for Bungsar and the Honour- House. Sir, I have got the Act in front able Member for Damansara have made of me, and under Section 14 of that several allegations which are certainly Act, it says: baseless. "Every Advisory Board shall, for the purposes of this Act, but subject to the The Honourable Member for Bungsar, provisions of section 16, have all the powers the Honourable Mover of this motion, of a Court for the summoning and examina- tion of witnesses, the administration of oaths has alleged that the Government is now or affirmations, and for compelling the using a certain type of drug, which production of documents." could be injected into a person, and which would change his ideology, Now the Honourable Member for converting him from a communist Damansara just told us that witnesses socialist into something else. Sir, any before the Advisory Board are not person with reasonable intelligence and sworn, are not affirmed. This is commonsense knows that science has completely untrue. Sir, as I have said, not advanced that far as to be capable he has never read this Internal Security of doing that. {Laughter). In any case, Act, although he spent about half an Sir, even if we have such a drug, the hour telling us about it. Government does not think it worth- while to use it on the Honourable Sir, the Honourable Member for Member for Bungsar, because he would Damansara also talked a lot about definitely be a liability on this side of the Advisory Board saying that it is the House. {Laughter). not a court. Well, Sir, it is not a court and that is definitely stated in the Sir, the Honourable Member for Ordinance itself. It is an Advisory Bungsar has had the unique distinction Board to advise the Government on of having had experience of life in a persons detained under the Internal detention camp, and I think that it will Security Act. So, quite naturally being be of greater benefit to this House and not a court, the procedures of the to this country if he were to tell this Advisory Board are different. But there House and the country truthfully of is a provision here which says that a what his experience was rather than detainee is allowed, subject to the telling a lot of untrue things about agreement of the Board, to be assisted what happened to other people. We in by a counsel. So, every possible the Government strongly believe in the facilities are given to a detainee to principle of democracy and we intend enable him to put his case clearly and to uphold that principle of democracy fairly before the Advisory Board. So and we shall not use or adopt any there is no reason, Sir, at this stage to method to change any person's belief, go all over again on the question of especially those who are either com- preventive detention. We have discussed munists or are agents of the that a number of times in this House communists. In a democratic country and the Parliament has already passed everybody is free and anyone who has the Internal Security Act—which is a not got enough intelligence to see the permanent law of this country. real facts and can allow himself to be deceived by communist propaganda, we Also, Sir, the Honourable Member feel that let that man suffer by his for Damansara as usual has own mistake—let him pay for his own championed the cause of his colleagues mistake. It is not for us to waste our in the jungle. He said that when this money to purchase any drug, if that is country achieved independence the at all available. communists no longer fought against the British. Well, we know the Now, the Honourable Member for communists are still fighting in the Damansara has made a number of, if jungle. What are they fighting for? I may say so, Sir, in legal terms, very They are definitely fighting to over- 1015 19 JUNE 1961 1016 throw the legally constituted Govern- calling their brand of democracy the ment of this country. There is no "Ismailian democracy". It is demo- question of their championing demo- cracy whereby Government reserves cracy, or fighting for the freedom of the right to persecute anybody who this country, as the Honourable does not share their views. We must Member has alleged. I have, Sir, many realise that persecution started armed times stated in this House that if the insurrections everywhere in this world, Honourable Member intends to and we must also realise the fact that champion the cause of his colleagues every country that believes in demo- in the jungle, he should have the cracy always preaches against persecu- courage to go and join them in the tion. Every believer in democracy, jungle (Applause). instead of persecuting a person who does not share his views, will try the Enche' Tan Phock Kin (Tanjong): other method of persuasion. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister has just spoken The Honourable Minister, in trying and I am glad to hear that he believes to convince this House of the justifica- in absolute freedom. I am glad to hear tion of his action, failed to substantiate that he believes in democracy. It seems his allegation. He merely puts forward to me that his belief in absolute vague allegations that so-and-so has freedom is somewhat inconsistent with acted in a manner consistent with the the utterances of his colleague the policy of the Communist Party. What, Honourable Minister of Internal then, is the policy of the Communist Security, who, on the other hand, Party, may I ask? And in what manner believes in persecution. How can the have these people, who were detained Alliance Government, how can the arbitrarily acted? I would expect that Cabinet which believes in collective in a democracy, a person, if he had responsibility, hold two diametrically committed wrong, will be charged in opposed views? We have heard of the the ordinary process of the law. If a democracies, condemning political person is advocating armed insurrec- persecution in totalitarian States but tion, surely our existing law is adequate never have we heard of a responsible enough to bring him up for trial. But to Minister in a self-professed democratic do so, as the Minister did, on grounds Government talking of persecution. of suspicion, on grounds of preventive Because of this conflict of opinion, I detention, will of course arouse a great think it is the duty of this Government deal of suspicion not only in the minds to make a categorical statement as to of Members of the Opposition Parties their stand on democracy. We have but in the minds of the general public, heard that that word democracy has because it is very difficult to differen- been abused by various people; we tiate between a communist and a non- have heard of different versions of communist. If we are going to do it as democracy. Perhaps if this Govern- a preventive measure, if we are going ment is going to claim that it is a to do it merely on suspicion, it is rather democracy, then I should suggest that difficult. I put it that the Minister is they should coin a word to describe incapable of doing so, and it is because their form of democracy and not mis- of his incapability that he used such lead the people of this country by measures to detain them. After all, as merely saying that they believe in pointed out in our Manifesto, the com- democracy. If they can't coin a word, munists, just like anybody else, would perhaps I can suggest to them that, in have advocated a better health system, view of the fact that the Minister con- they would have advocated full em- cerned has frequently made utterances ployment—and so will all progressive on democracy and uttered words that political organisations—and by this create the impression that he believes form of logic the Minister would have in a particular form of democracy, said that just because certain members which is by no means consistent with in the Socialist Front advocated full democracy as we understand it, the employment they must be detained as Government do him the honour of communists. It is because of this, Sir, 1017 19 JUNE 1961 1018 and because of the fact that the cracy; and if he does that, then he will Minister concerned is so fond of per- discover that in countries of that nature secuting people, that we fear that the responsible Ministers of the Govern- powers given to him under the Internal ment do not openly and publicly say Security Ordinance will be abused; and that they will persecute so-and-so, and it is our opinion that it has been abused that they will persecute so-and-so as and that it has been used, as stated by long as they are Ministers, because if my Honourable friend the Member for they were to say that, I am sure the Bungsar, to stifle the Opposition. next day they will no longer be Minis- ters. The three examples given by the Dato9 Dr. Ismail: On a point of Minister failed to elaborate as to what explanation. The Member for Daman- crime these three people has com- sara and the Member for Tanjong seem mitted. Have they advocated armed to interpret the word "persecution" insurrection; have they planned to according to their own liking. Now I assasinate a Minister? Are hand- would like to read from the Oxford grenades found in their homes? None dictionary which gives, among other of these things have been brought up things, the meaning of "persecute". except vague suggestions that they "Persecute is to harass, to worry." If I have put forward certain motions at may add, Sir, in the context which I certain political party meetings. And if have used the word, I can say "to we are going to allow the Government ferret"—in the sense that I would ferret to carry on as they are, I am afraid them, the communists, be they leaders one of these days persecution will be in the trade unions or in the Socialist practised more and more. The field will Front. be extended to others and as a result of such action, any talk of democracy is The Minister of Health and Social merely a sham. I put it to the Govern- Welfare (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): Mr. ment that if they do really believe in Speaker, Sir, I am not surprised at the absolute freedom, as the Honourable speech which has just been made by the Deputy Prime Minister puts it, then the Honourable Member for Tanjong, they should use the Internal Security who is very clever in twisting with a Act only under very special circum- glib tongue the meaning of words. He stances, and I think that was the very has charged the Honourable Minister intention of the Government when the of Internal Security for abusing the Bill was debated in this House. powers conferred upon him by the Assurances were then given to us by Ordinance. He even said that the various speakers on the Government detainees had not been found to possess Bench that they required that power, in handgrenades nor advocated the assasi- case the country was in a state of war nation of Ministers or violence. Sir, or in a state of emergency they could I think it has been made clear that use such power. But scarcely six months these people are part and parcel of the passed since the passing of the Bill communist organisation in this coun- when we have seen the Act being used try—at best, they are tools of the for purposes of detaining political communists. I wonder if the Honour- opponents. And to convince this House able Member for Tanjong has very that we are still practising democracy, conveniently forgotten the acts of the Honourable Minister of Internal terrorism perpetrated in this country Security tried to make a comparison over the past 12 years by the Malayan with countries under the communist Communist Party. Has he forgotten yoke. But I put it to him that in a that over 12,000 innocent people, country that professes democracy, it including women and children, had will be most extraordinary for us to been brutally murdered by these com- compare ourselves with countries that munists? The communists have not do not profess democracy. If he is going given up their struggle. Though they to make comparisons, I would suggest have been defeated in the armed that he should make comparisons with struggle, they are now trying to make countries that do believe in demo- use of the democratic system, which 1019 19 JUNE 1961 1020 we all cherish, to use it to destroy the Member on the Order Paper, I thought democracy that we have. It is not that when this motion actually came surprising, if we analyse the speeches up for debate, Honourable Members by the Honourable Members from the of the Socialist Front would be Socialist Front, that they have never bristling with indignation and bursting openly attacked the communists, but in with eloquence. Now, what has actually fact they have tried to defend commu- happened? When the motion came up nism in this country. for discussion this morning, we had the benefit of a long and rambling speech The Minister of Commerce and by the Honourable Member for Industry (Enche' Mohamed Khir Bungsar. Soon after, owing to the lack Johari): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been of response from any other part of the asked now and again to define House, it became necessary for my socialism and communism. It has been Honourable colleague, the Minister of quite difficult for me to do that, Internal Security, to get up and reply because to my mind communism and on behalf of the Government. The socialism are rather practically inter- moment that reply was delivered, changeable terms. For example, the Honourable friends opposite suddenly Russians call themselves socialists; became extremely eloquent, and, if I hence you see that the name of their may say so, Sir, this sort of perfor- country, U.S.S.R., is not known as mance is not only unethical, one "Union of Soviet Communist Republic" cannot help feeling that this un- but as "Union of Soviet Socialist willingness to give the Government a Republic". Then I had been asked to fair chance to reply is due in a large define the words "communism" and part to the inability to put up a good "socialism". I say that the best way to case and to the fear that if they had define these two words is by giving an to reply thereafter they probably would example. Under socialism, if you have not be able to reply very effectively. got a cow, they take away your cow and give you the milk; whereas under The Honourable Members of the communism, they take away both your Socialist Front have been very strong cow and the milk. in their condemnation of the Govern- ment in the sense that the Government Enche' V. David: On a point of has acted largely on suspicion. If the order, Mr. Speaker, Sir—Standing Government did not believe in genuine Order 36.1 do not think this is relevant democracy, if it had acted purely on to the motion. {Laughter). suspicion, it would have had more than Mr. Speaker: It is quite relevant. sufficient cause to detain Honourable (To Enche Mohamed Khir Johari). Members opposite who have given, I Make it as short as possible. think, sufficient cause for concern by their speeches in this House during the Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: It is last two years. The very fact that they very short, Sir. Then one writer in fact have been left untouched, in spite of has defined a communist as a socialist the grave provocation they have caused, in a violent hurry. I think because is in itself an eloquent testimony to these twelve members of the Socialist the Government's sense of fair play. Front are rather in a violent hurry the One cannot help feeling that this Alliance Government had to do a motion is not even believed in by the little bit of persecution. Talking about Members of the Socialist Front them- persecution, for the information of the selves; and I think the evidence is there Honourable Member for Tanjong, the for all to see, because tonight we have sort of persecution that we adopt in listened to those speeches and I think the Alliance is a democratic persecu- any fair-minded observer would come tion. to the conclusion that the very half- heartedness of their reply is in itself The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan an indication that what the Government Siew Sin): Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I has done is right and probably is not first saw the motion of the Honourable even enough. 1021 19 JUNE 1961 1022 Entile'V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, this country. We do not resort to revo- we, at least in this part of the House, lutionary methods, neither do we resort are proud to state that we do not con- to violence. We believe in parliamen- tradict ourselves like the Honourable tary democracy and we believe in a the Minister of Finance. I still remem- parliamentary system of Government. ber the statement he made a few years back in the former Legislative Council Sir, it would be advisable for Mem- when he so vigorously stated that this bers of the Government first to find Government should recognise the Re- out for themselves, and not be in con- public of China, and later out of fear fusion, that socialism is not communism. that he may be sent out of his position One Honourable Member, who is by the Alliance Government he went supposed to be a back-bencher, did on his knees to adopt himself to the state that the Members of the Opposi- policy of the Government. So there is tion should have demanded that the no need either for the House or the men arrested should have been brought members of the public to pay much to court. Sir, I think, during the course attention to individuals who have no of debate in this House—either the basic principles and political ethics. Member have had a short nap or his memory is short—not once but Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. Speaker, repeatedly the Members from the Opposition have demanded that there Sir, .... should be an open trial for all those Enche' V. David: I refuse to give who have been arrested under the then way. Emergency Regulations and the present Internal Security Act. Enche'Tan Siew Sin: I think the Honourable Member is distorting the Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable facts. I never advocated the recognition the Minister of Defence has stated that of China at any time in this House. it is not the intention of the Govern- ment to inject drugs on Members of Enche' V.David : I think the the Opposition (Laughter) as it might Honourable the Minister's memory is be a liability, but I would say it can short. Sir, he thinks or imagines that also turn out to be an asset. Sir, he the members of the Opposition are at systematically evaded the name I his mercy. I must tell him and I must referred to this morning—Mr. Douglas draw his attention that we the members Hyde. Could he tell me the purpose of of the Opposition, have equal rights as Mr. Douglas Hyde coming to this he has and we have been elected as he country and what was his mission in this was elected, and therefore in this House country. No mention was made and no we are not at the mercy of the Honour- reference was made to this name at all able the Minister of Finance or his by the Honourable the Minister of Cabinet. Defence. This clearly indicates beyond Mr. Speaker, Sir, coming to the doubt that Mr. Hyde and company are Minister of Commerce and Industry, to undertake a task in brainwashing in he gave me the impression that he liked this country; and I can safely assume to undergo a course in socialism. Sir, that drugs have been injected and on I think I must refer to him as a account of this certain detainees have juvenile delinquent for not knowing the become insane. real fundamental definition and concept of scientific socialism. Sir, in the course of his speech the Honourable the Minister of Internal Mr. Speaker: The terms "juvenile Security did state that so long as he is delinquent" is unparliamentary. a Minister he will persecute, and I will tell him that as far as I am a Member Enche' V. David: I am sorry, Sir. of this House, I will continue to oppose The Malayan People's Socialist Front the Internal Security Act and I will believes in scientific socialism (Laugh- continue to demand for justice. ter), and we believe in slow progress, constitutional progress, of the masses in Dato' Dr. Ismail: You can go on. 1023 19 JUNE 1961 1024 Enche' V. David: Sir, referring to MALAYAN TROOPS IN THE trade unions, he referred to yellow CONGO unions, which he claimed as non- communist unions. In my long expe- Enche' V. David (Bungsar): Mr. rience in trade unions, my interpretation Speaker, Sir, even though realising of a yellow union is one sponsored by that it is not the right moment to move employers and run by employers in the motions, however, I beg to move the interest of employers and not in the motion standing in my name, viz.: interest of workers. It is really a shame That this House considers that the Govern- on the part of the Minister and the ment should inform the Secretary-General of the United Nations that this House is of Government to support and encourage the opinion that the continued presence of yellow unions in this country. Malayan troops in the Congo will depend He went on further to state that we, on— the Members of the Socialist Front, are (a) the withdrawal of all Belgian military only interested in the 12 members of and administrative personnel; the Socialist Front who have been (b) the early re-convening of the arrested under the Act. Mr. Speaker, Congolese Parliament; and Sir, according to my information most (c) the bringing to justice of the of the members arrested are members murderers of Mr. Patrice Lumumba. of the Socialist Front and the members Sir, this motion should, however, who have been arrested held important have been moved a couple of months positions in my Party at the time of ago, but due to insufficient time pro- their arrest, and so long the Minister vided by this House, I am forced to and his colleagues from the Govern- take this late opportunity to move this ment Bench have not given substantial motion. grounds leading to the arrest of mem- Mr. Speaker, Sir, ever since bers of the Opposition Party but have December last year, we have been only drifted away from the subject to keenly observing international im- mislead this House by placing mis- perialistic conspiracy which, under the represented facts. mask of the United Nations, has been Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable actively undermining the sovereignty the Minister of Defence, in the course and national independence of the of his speech, did say that under the Congolese people. At the outset of the Act or Ordinance the Advisory Board United Nations interference in Congo, has power to examine documents and Mr. Dag Hammarskjoeld has been mis- to summon witnesses and to administer using his authority as the Secretary- oaths. Sir, the Minister has misled this General of the United Nations and has House, but I myself have been an ex- made himself the executive of the detainee and I do know what these imperialist powers' policy and that of Boards are and what Review Com- the United States of America. mittees are and a lawyer or counsel Under the pretext to preserve peace serves very little purpose in such and the safety of the Congolese enquiries: it is not like a court and the people Mr. Dag Hammarskjoeld had decisions of such Advisory Boards are been conniving at the attempts of the conveyed to the Minister and the Belgian colonial gangs to overthrow Minister decides either to detain a the then legally and lawfully consti- person permanently or to suspend his tuted Government of the Republic of detention. Therefore, in this respect the Congo under the able leadership of the Minister of Internal Security becomes Prime Minister Mr. Patrice Lumumba. the sole dictator in this country, but I Together with the United Nations am telling him that so far we thought Command in the Congo Mr. Dag we do not have an "Eichmann" in this Hammarskjoeld had actively contri- country, but let not the Minister of the buted to the erection of the rule of Internal Security become another Mr. Kasavubu, Tshombe, and "Eichmann", who is now tried by the Mr. Mobutu, a clique, a regime which Jews. came to power through unconstitutional Question put, and negatived. means in order to restore the 1025 19 JUNE 1961 1026 Belgian colonialism in the Congo. Sir, ourselves must take a more positive crete steps, as often suggested by the stand in the United Nations. The stand Governments of Asia and Africa and taken by the Malayan representative in the Socialist countries, to drive away the United Nations is not dynamic the Belgian aggressors off the Congo enough to bring down the Secretary- and to save the then Prime Minister General Mr. Hammarskjoeld to his Mr. Patrice Lumumba, Mr. Dag proper sense of approach to the Hammarskjoeld had reached a position Congo situation. Sir, allowing the of being openly betraying the United Malayan troops to remain stationed in Nations General Assembly Resolution the Congo would mean that the that intended to see the Republic of Malayan troops are now assisting the the Congo saved from the threat of imperialist nations to achieve their own Belgian colonial aggression. His die- desired results. In the interests of this hard attitude in defending the political country and in the interests of our concept of the imperialist nations, foreign policy, I would call upon the which always affected the life of the Federation Government to advise the Republic of the Congo, has brought representative in the United Nations to on international responsibility—to the take a positive stand, and if no positive people of the whole world—for the stand is taken by the United Nations, barbarious murder of the late Prime then the only alternative open for the Minister Patrice Lumumba. Sir, the Malayan Government is to call back colonial political acts committed by the Malayan troops serving in the him in line with the offensive policy United Nations. Sir, there had been of international imperialism headed by accusations by certain Press and radio the United States has sufficiently that Malayan troops had been in spoiled the reputation of the United collaboration with the imperialist Nations in world politics. His political nations and can be partly blamed for adventure badly infringing the prin- the murder of the late Mr. Patrice ciples of sovereignty and national Lumumba. Mr. Speaker, Sir, until and independence of the people of the unless the Malayan Government takes Congo, has aroused a valuation of a stand to make clear the real and Dag Hammarskjoeld as an individual fundamental purpose for sending our who is no longer fit to hold the supreme troops, the people of this country and function in the executive body of the the world can be easily mislead. United Nations which craves to ensure national independence of every nation The Minister of Works, Posts and and peace among all human beings. Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. Sam- banthan): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. Sir, with regard to the situation in the Congo, which has grown more Enche' V. David: Under what order, serious and critical, the Secretary- Sir? General of the United Nations is fully Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: The responsible. We consider it reasonable Honourable Member is making a very, for the Government of the Federation very serious charge, Sir. of Malaya to declare its attitude towards the policy of Mr. Hammarsk- Mr. Speaker: (To Dato1 V. T. Sam- joeld. In conformity with the banthan): On a point of order, under independent foreign policy often stated what section of the Standing Orders by the Government, the Government are you speaking? should immediately recognise Prime Minister Mr. Antoine Gizenga as the Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: S.O. lawfully constituted head of the 36 (1)—Irrelevant; and (6)—Imputing Congolese Republic. Mr. Speaker, Sir, improper motive, not to another the Government now should not Member, but to the whole nation, Sir. hesitate or should not wait for the I feel, Sir, that the Honourable Mem- United States or other Governments to ber just now mentioned that the advise in the Congo situation, but we Malayan troops had been implicated in 1027 19 JUNE 1961 1028 #

the murder of Lumumba. It is an as I have just now informed this House, extremely serious charge and it the United Nations itself has failed as amounts to calumniating the whole of far as the Congo is concerned; and I this nation. I do hope that the can safely say that the United Nations Honourable Member recognises that, has been instrumental in the death of and he would produce evidence to Patrice Lumumba. This has been prove it. expressed openly by many nations and I express the same in this House. Mr. Speaker: {To Enche' V. David) He has already pointed out S. O. 36 (1) Mr. Speaker, Sir, the only solution and (6). The remark you made just now would be for the Malayan Government about the Malayan troops having been to demand that the murderers of implicated in connection with the Mr. Patrice Lumumba be brought to murder of Lumumba—you should justice and to ask that all Belgian withdraw that. military and administrative personnel be withdrawn from the Congo, because Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, of the very fact that their remaining as I said earlier, some of the Ministers there has brought about this deterio- have short naps when we speak. I only rating situation in the Congo; and, said certain Press and radio informa- thirdly, the early re-convening of the tion had said that the Malayan troops Congolese Parliament is very, very had been partly responsible. But I did important in order to bring an end to not say that—I only said Press and the present situation in the Congo. radio information. Thank you. Sir. HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Which Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- Press? sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the motion, and reserve my right to Mr. Speaker: Please proceed! speak later. Enche' V. David: As other Members of this House have a right to speak, I The Minister of Health and Social do hope that the same privilege and Welfare (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): Mr. opportunity will be extended to Mem- Speaker, Sir, while sitting here listening bers of the Opposition. to the speech of the Honourable Mover, it sounded to me very much Mr. Speaker: Proceed! like listening to Radio Peking or Radio Moscow. He attacked the United Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, States as heading the list of imperialist I know that when the Malayan troops nations, but does he not appreciate were sent from here, an assurance was that there is a more sinister type of given by the Prime Minister that they imperialism in this world today which were going there under the command is communist imperialism? No wonder of the United Nations, and that they that Members of the Socialist Front have were going there to maintain peace and order. not uttered a word against communist imperialistic aggression against Hun- Mr. Speaker: Will you confine your gary, against Tibet and against India; speech to the motion before the House? whereas the Honourable Mover has taken such a queer interest in the Congo Enche' V. David: Yes, Sir. I am and has blamed our troops. Now, if talking about troops. he does not believe in what he descri- Mr. Speaker: You must not be too bed as press and radio reports— long on that; you must confine your probably communist radio reports— remarks to the motion before the that our Malayan troops are implicated House. in this foul murder of Mr. Patrice Lumumba, he should not have Enche' V. David: I am talking about mentioned it in this House. We have the troops, Sir. Well, it was stated that all condemned this murder, but the the troops were sent there under the Honourable Member has also con- command of the United Nations, but demned the United Nations and its 1029 19 JUNE 1961 1030 very much respected Secretary- Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable General, Mr. Hammarskjoeld. Does Minister has also said that what he he realise that he is also condemning hears in this House are echoes, like the stand taken by so many Afro- utterances of puppets. Mr. Speaker, Asian nations that have their troops Sir, we do not have to be guided from under the U. N. flag serving in the outside. We have had education, we Congo? Does he mean to say that all have got our own minds, we can these many Afro-Asian nations that think, and we can draw our own are keeping their troops there in the conclusions. And if the Honourable Congo are being used by what he Minister hurls an accusation at us, we described as imperialist nations headed can also hurt it back to him—that he by the United States? Sir, this is only echoes the American group—but, another example of statements coming Mr. Speaker, Sir, we would prefer to from the Socialist Front which echoes refrain from that abuse. in this House and which sounds like Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Honourable the utterances of puppets manipulated Minister was so much concerned by communist imperialism. about imperialism. We know that the only accepted imperialism is the impe- Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr. Spea- rialism that has come from the West— ker, Sir, the Honourable Minister has the imperialism that involves the said that we have taken a stand on domination of one nation by another Congo, but have not commented on with the assistance of capital. That events elsewhere. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we type of imperialism comes only from do not have to sing songs for the West; there is no other type of America; we are not after America imperialism in this world. If a people— for its aid. We are not going to beg that any people, any nation—choose to imperialist head for anything, because take up an ideology, they do not have we have respect for the fundamental to be the slaves of another country. dignities of all peoples—and no They can take or reject an ideology on money can replace the fundamental their own initiative. Mr. Speaker, Sir, dignity of any nation. why did the Minister concerned not Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are just comment on the demand for the ordinary Members of Parliament. The withdrawal of all Belgian military and President of Egypt has said that the administrative personnel? blood of Patrice Lumumba drips from the flag of the United Nations. And, Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, Sir, we find that without Sir, on a point of explanation. This the complicity of the United Nations matter has been discussed at great and the instrumentality of its Secretary- length in this House. The Government's General, Mr. Patrice Lumumba would policy and stand has been very clear never have been murdered. When and very strong. Our stand—the that great leader of the Congo—the demand for the withdrawal of Belgian great martyr for the freedom of his troops and our stand against the country—was arrested and detained, murder of Patrice Lumumba—has been Mr. Dag Hammarskjoeld just remained made very clear. quite. But when that imperialist Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr. Spea- stooge Tshombe .... ker, Sir, the Government's stand is so strong that the Belgian military per- Mr. Speaker: The word "stooge" sonnel still remain in the Congo! Sir, cannot be used; it is unparliamentary. this question has not been raised at all. Why is the Government keeping quiet Enche' K. Karam Singh: . . . when on this very vital demand? Probably that puppet of America and of the the Prime Minister may now reply Belgians, Mr. Tshombe, was arrested, after second-thoughts—that we do not Mr. Hammarskjoeld moved himself, or know. But we know that the greatest stirred himself, to ask for his release. man. of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba, If this is not taking sides, what is it? was killed by a Belgian Captain and so 1031 19 JUNE 1961 1032 this barbaric Belgian military force the maintenance of those principles must be withdrawn. Mr. Speaker, Sir, that this motion is brought. I ask this Government whether it is prepared to tolerate the domination of The Prime Minister: Mr. Speaker, the Congo by Belgian military and Sir, I would have thought that this administrative personnel, or whether it subject matter of the debate might is going to take a valiant stand before have been considered as stale news by the whole world and press for the with- now, because it was tabled a month drawal of all Belgian military and ad- back and at that time the interest of ministrative personnel. Because, if we the public was centred on the affairs believe that Belgian influence must be of the Congo. But today nobody takes withdrawn, and especially that Belgian much interest—or little interest—and military influence must be withdrawn, things are going on very well in the then it is no use just stating it in terms Congo and before long, order, law and however strong. We must press it with administration will be restored to its all the vigour of our nation in the normalcy. However, since the Honour- General Assembly of the United Na- able Member wishes to bring this up tions. Sir, we know that the present for debate, I have no choice but to Minister of Internal Security headed stand up and answer it. However, debates on the Tibetean question. Why I take particular exception to his in- does not Malaya espouse the cause of sinuation when he says that Malayan the Congo with equal vigour? Why troops have been responsible to a does the Malayan Government not certain extent for the death of press it with that same enthusiasm as it Mr. Patrice Lumumba. As far as did in the case of Tibet? Or are we to I know our troops have been sent . . . presume that this lack of interest is due to partiality for America and the West? Enche' V. David: I say that I learnt the news from the Press. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the United Nations went into the Congo to establish law Mr. Speaker: (To the Prime Minis- and order in that country and to pro- ter) He said that he heard the news tect the people and the Constitution of from the Press. the Congo. But up to now we find that the United Nations is recognising Mr. The Prime Minister: He should not Kasavubu, who does not have a have repeated it in this House. He took majority in the Congolese Parliament the opportunity under the cover of and that the United Nations is con- this House to repeat what he said. niving with a group of people who do I know it was never reported in our not have the popular support of Press, and it must have come from his the Congolese people in trying to type of Press or emanated from his establish themselves as a Congolese fertile imagination. However fertile it convention of leaders. Sir, so long as may be, I do not think it is fair to the United Nations stay in the Congo, suggest that the Malayan troops have they must effect the will of the Congo- anything to do with the death of lese people, and as soon as possible Patrice Lumumba. Our troops were free expression of the Congolese people sent there, in the first place, to do their must be allowed and for that I think, duty and from reports which I have it is my firm belief, this motion makes received and from what I have heard, the best provision. the Malayan troops have done very well indeed in the Congo. The Honour- Mr. Speaker, Sir, we cannot be able Member may be interested to accused that we want the withdrawal know that in the Congo our troops of Malayan troops from the Congo. have never fired a shot and have We do not say, "Withdraw the Malayan managed to get their way with the troops from the Congo". We only Congolese troops and with the Con- make the continual presence of the golese people, and that is a great credit Malayan troops in the Congo depen- to a small nation that has responded dent on certain principles, and it is for to the call of the United Nations. 1033 19 JUNE 1961 1034

The Honourable Member may pro- information about the convening of bably remember that I had spoken the Congolese Parliament. The answer at some length on this particular which I have managed to get reads : matter on the 29th September last "Regarding re-convening of Parliament year in which I said that we had sent which I have put forward my views, and also our troops in response to the resolu- in connection with the release of political prisoners, I understand that in the Security tions adopted by the United Nations Council's Resolution of the 20th February, Security Council on the 14th July and it was urged that the re-convening of the 8th August and, in particular, by Parliament and the taking of necessary the General Assembly on the 20th protective measures in that direction had been decided upon; and a permanent September. Our troops are in fact in representative of the Federation Government the Congo within the terms of these expressed very strong views about this, and resolutions and upon no other condi- supported the view that the Congolese tion whatsoever. I made that quite Parliament should be convened as soon as possible and that the United Nations should clear, and I thought the Honourable assist in providing the necessary condition to Member might have understood it. In make it possible for Parliament to meet. fact, I have reported to this House Following this, the Federation also co- from time to time on the progress sponsored a Resolution urging immediate of the events in the Congo. release of all Members of Parliament and other political leaders under detention and Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the subject the convening of Parliament under safe matter of this debate, the withdrawal conduct and protection of the United Nations of all Belgian military and administra- so that immediate decision may be made as to the formation of a national Government tive personnel, if I remember rightly, and the future constitutional structure of the the House will remember that it Republic of the Congo in accordance with is one of the conditions insisted upon loi fundamentale'—I do not know what that means—"This Resolution was adopted by the that Belgian military personnel and General Assembly: 60 in favour and 16 administrative personnel should be against with 20 abstentions." withdrawn from the Congo. In fact, I think,. Honourable Members will Sir, as a result of that, I do not think that remember that our troops surrounded there is anything more we can do, some Belgians and took them into because it is entirely left to the other custody, but a few of the Belgians countries to support this Resolution of escaped. It shows from that that one the United Nations and to see that this of our objectives is to get the Belgians Resolution is implemented. We, as a to withdraw their personnel from the small nation could only contribute our country, and that we have taken very share and our share has been most effective steps in order to satisfy this useful to the Congolese people. We condition. In fact, from all reports, have sent our soldiers and they have there are very few Belgians left—and carried out their duty and responsi- those who are left are there for the bility in accordance with the instruc- good of the Congolese people; they are tions issued to them—they have done experts, technicians, medical people, nothing more than that. nurses and so on, who are there to serve Now, Sir, with regard to bringing to not the interests of the Belgians but the justice the murderers of Mr. Patrice interests of the Congolese people, and Lumumba, this is a very difficult matter I think they have done very well for me to say here, because the purpose indeed; as far as they are concerned, of the United Nations in the affairs of I have no ground for complaint against the Congo is merely to restore law and them, and from the humanitarian point order in general terms. With regard to of view, I think, they should remain those responsible for the murder of there until law, peace and order have Patrice Lumumba, I think, the Congo- been restored to that very unfortunate lese people are taking the matter up people. themselves. As Honourable Members The next matter is in regard to the know, Mr. Tshombe is now under early re-convening of the Congolese detention and, unlike the Honourable Parliament. I have made certain Member for Bungsar himself, is kept enquiries about this and I have received under close guard and will not be 1035 19 JUNE 1961 1036 released. I am sure that action against Sir, on the allegation of the press him will be taken in Court, and if he that the Malayan troops were partly is found guilty, I suppose, appropriate involved in the murder of Patrice punishment will be meted out to him. Lumumba, the Members of the Govern­ There is nothing more I can say than ment do not appreciate the point, and that I am with him in wishing that I must point out, Sir, that if the those responsible for the death of Mr. Malayan Government had a clear cut Lumumba should be brought to justice. stand, the Malayan Government would I think that is the positive stand which have been responsible for safeguarding we can take and we can do no more the life of Patrice Lumumba. Since than what we have done already. there was no positive stand taken by I do not think there is anything more the Government when the troops were that I can say except, perhaps, to reply sent to the Congo, we ourselves in this to the Honourable Member from the country do not know the real purpose Opposition who has said that the of sending our troops, though it was Federation Government shows no stated that they were to restore peace interest in the affairs of the Congo. I and order. To what extent peace and think we do show interest. If we do order was established in the Congo is not show interest in the affairs of the not known. However, I must point out, Congo, we would not have sent our Sir, that the United Nations, especially troops. The Honourable Member will in this particular case where Mr. remember that at a time when things Lumumba is concerned, had acted very looked bad, very black indeed, for the partially. In fact, it had created tremen- whole of the Congo, when country dous discontentment among the Asian after country withdrew their troops, we nations as a result of which many as a small nation were the first to countries who originally sent troops respond to the call of the United later withdrew them from the Congo. Nations by sending our additional troops there, in spite of the fact that we Sir, this motion if accepted would have small troops compared with other place the Malayan Government in safe countries; as a result of the stand we hands (Laughter) .... took, other countries sent their own troops—countries like India and others. Mr. Speaker: Time is up. Would you As a result of that spontaneous support, like to finish it? the affairs in the Congo look bright and I pray God that before very long we Enche' V. David: Yes, Sir. I will will see that everything is restored to finish it. Sir, it will be safer for Malaya normalcy, and the people of the Congo to accept this motion so that it will be will be able once again to live in playing safe and it will avoid reper- peace, happiness and prosperity as we cussions from other Asian nations and live in this country. (Applause). it will show that the Malayan Govern- ment has really got an independent Sir, I oppose this motion. stand as it has stated so very frequently. Therefore, I hope this motion will Enche' V. David: Mr. Speaker, Sir, receive the support of this House. the speech of the Honourable the Prime Minister drives me to the conclusion Question put, and negatived. that it is not a stand taken by the Federation Government, but that it looks like a blessing on the Congolese ADJOURNMENT people. The Prime Minister: Mr. Speaker, Sir, this motion was intentionally Sir, I beg to move that the House do brought to this House so that the now adjourn. people of this country and the whole world will know what positive stand Dato' Dr. Ismail: Sir, I beg to the Malayan Government has taken— second the motion. it is only on this basis that this motion has been introduced. Question put and agreed to. 1037 19 JUNE 1961 1038 ADJOURNMENT SPEECH I was told by the mother of a child that her child had died because of bad Federal Citizenship—Certification water. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have brought, Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman- for the benefit of our Health Minister, sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the require- this bottle of water (holds up a bottle ment of a recommender, who is a containing water sample) which has Member of Parliament or a J.P., when about half-an-ounce of sediments, and an application is made for a passport if one bottle can have so much sedi- is now extended to an application for ments, I am sure that when the citizenship. Whereas the requirement in labourers there drink the water they the case of the application for passport usually take in about one ounce of is satisfied by one year's personal sediments every day. knowledge of the applicant by the recommender, it requires eight years Mr. Speaker: I do not think it is personal knowledge of the applicant proper to bring that bottle. It might be by the recommender in the case of used as a weapon (Laughter). citizenship for the application to be successful. Mr. Speaker, Sir, from this Enche' K. Karam Singh: For what, it is clear that in practice it has come Sir? to be that one of the requirements of an applicant for citizenship is that he Mr. Speaker: It should not have been should know an M.P., J.P. or Division brought into Parliament. You might I Officer for eight years. This condition throw that bottle at somebody is impossible to satisfy in respect of our (Laughter). If I had known it earlier, I ordinary people, and I would ask the would not have allowed that. Please Government to remove this irregularity. proceed. I think it would be sufficient if any Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr. ordinary citizen were able to certify Speaker, Sir, the impression we get of the that an applicant has been resident estates in Bukit Rotan and Kampong for eight years in Malaya—and penal Kuantan is that of a backyard of a provisions can be provided for false scrap collecting centre. The lines are certification. dirty and pie-historic and there are no sanitary provisions at all. The Drought and Conditions of Living—Kuala drains are dirty and full of mosquitoes. Selangor Area Sir, the agencies and estate manage- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I now go on to the ments in these areas have no right to second topic. I wish to bring to the reduce the living quarters of estate attention of the Government the case labourers to the state of a choultry at of a drought stricken area in Selangor— sufferance. The labourers provide a lot it is the Bukit Rotan and Kampong of profits for the management, the Kuantan area of Kuala Selangor. It is agencies and the shareholders, and they drought stricken not by nature, but are entitled to better living quarters. because those responsible have Mr. Speaker, Sir, the responsibility of neglected to provide water for the area. employers extends to guaranteeing In Kampong Kuantan the people have proper living conditions for the to cycle six miles to and fro to get a labourers. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would glass of drinking water, but the condi- appeal to the Government to look into tion is worse on estates. Mr. Speaker, this matter and make those estate the estates are rich, and they make a agencies and managements responsible lot of money out of the workers, but by legislation to discharge their sani- still they do not supply proper drinking tary and other obligations to the water to the labourers in Kampong labourers. Kuantan and Bukit Rotan. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also appeal to the Mr. Speaker, Sir, the estate workers Government to safeguard old estate there normally suffer from sores, itches labourers by making legislative pro- and stomach disorders. When I visited vision for old age pensions to be paid one of the estates there last Sunday, by estates to employees, and also to 1039 19 JUNE 1961 1040 safeguard estate labourers from un- find some referee from the various reasonable and arbitrary sacking. categories I have mentioned to give the Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is the duty of this certificate required. Consequently, Sir, Government to look after its citizens, as I have already indicated in my as for every remediable difficulty that reply to the Honourable Mr. Lee Seek is not remedied the Government is Fun, I do not consider there is any responsible. I urge the Government to reason to extend the list further. wake up even at this late hour (Laughter) to save the estate labourers The Minister of Health and Social of Kampong Kuantan and Bukit Rotan Welfare (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): from their bad living conditions. Thank Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was indeed sur- you. prised that the Honourable Member for Damansara has urged Government to Mr. Speaker: Sergeant-at-arms, re- bring in legislation for the purposes move that bottle containing water he mentioned. I would remind him, or (Laughter). (The bottle is removed). he should know, being a member of The Minister of the Interior (Dato' the legal profession, that legislation has Dr. Ismail): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise been in existence for many years to reply to that part of the obser- covering this subject, and that is the vation made by the Honourable Labour Code (Cap. 154), which deals Member which concerns my Ministry. with such things as water supply, I do not consider that the Honour- sanitation and health facilities for able Member is fully aware, even labourers. I can assure the House that at this late hour, of the large the Labour Ministry is enforcing this number of persons who can give legislation, while the Health Ministry certificates required in this connection is responsible for providing the and I would particularly refer him to required technical advice and visits to my written reply to the question put these estates. Health Ministry officials down on this subject by the Honour- have made many visits—in fact for the able Enche' Lee Seek Fun. In order, whole coastal estates of Selangor for however, that the matter may be made the first six months, or, at least, up-to- crystal clear, as the water he showed date in this year, a total of 133 visits to the House, I will, with your per- have been made. As far as water mission, read the list of the persons supply for drinking, cooking and who may give testimonials: bathing purposes is concerned) on these estates, the Health officers have found A Member of Parliament, a Member of the State Assembly, a Member of the Municipal that the supply is satisfactory, but as Council, a Town Council or a Local Council; an additional precaution we have Magistrate, Justice of the Peace, Advocate recommended that the water be boiled and Solicitor, Notary Public, Commissioner before consumption. If the Honourable of Oaths, Registered Medical Practitioner, Member would be good enough to let Bank Manager, Chartered, Incorporated or Certified Accountant; or me know exactly from where he took Government or Municipal Officer in one of the water sample which he has shown the following Government categories or their us, perhaps we can investigate further. Municipal equivalents : In fact, from the information given to Officers of Division I or II (e.g., Senior me by my officers, the water supplied Officer or a member of the highest grade of the Clerical and Technical Services), Health has been found to be satisfactory after Inspector of Grade I or above; or laboratory tests and even then we Government officer in one of the following have made recommendations to the categories: estate management for further improv- Penghulus, Teachers, Chief Clerks of Land ing the quality of the water supply; and and District Offices, Land Bailiffs, Settlement there is in the Government programme Officers, Police Inspectors. a plan to expand the P.W.D. water Now, Sir, we have no wish to make mains so as to provide piped water difficulties in this matter, but I think supply to these estates. it must be admitted that the list is a very comprehensive one and I cannot The Honourable Member also men- really believe that any person cannot tioned about diseases. It is interesting, 1041 19 JUNE 1961 1042 because he said a child died because and their families on these estates can of drinking bad water. According to be considered to be very satisfactory. our statistical information, as far as For example, the death rate among diseases that are caused by unwhole- them was 3.8 per thousand in 1960, some water supply or water-borne and this compares, I should say, very diseases is concerned, there is no favourably with the national figure of evidence of this on the estates men- 9.7 per thousand. As regards living tioned by the Honourable Member. quarters, there has been great improve­ During this year, there have been no ment in their living accommodation cases such as dysentry, enteric fever, and quarters on these estates, and cholera, or any other water-borne more is being done. diseases on these estates—in point of fact, the general health of the workers House adjourned at 10.45 p.m. 1043 19 JUNE 1961 1044 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO latehan di-Maktab Perguruan Bahasa itu di-hantar hanya ka-Sekolah2 Jenis QUESTIONS Umum sahaja. Daripada dua jenis guru dari sekolah2 yang memakai bahasa MINISTRY OF EDUCATION Melayu sa-bagai bahasa penghantar- nya yang di-beri latehan di-Maktab ini, Secondary Schools guru2 yang di-beri latehan penoh sa- 1. Enche' Aziz bin Ishak bertanya lama dua tahun di-Maktab Perguruan kapada Menteri Pelajaran berapa-kah Bahasa ada-lah di-hantar sama ada 2 jadi guru bahasa dan perkara2 'am bilangan Sekolah Menengah (a) 2 Melayu, (b) China, dan (c) yang lain2 dalam darjah menengah yang meng- dalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. gunakan bahasa Melayu atau sa-bagai Guru Bahasa Kebangsaan di-Sekolah2 The Minister of Education (Enche' Jenis Umum. Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib): Pada masa sekarang ada tiga jenis Sekolah2 Bagi menjalankan chadangan dalam Menengah ia-itu: Sekolah2 Menengah penyata Jawatan-Kuasa Pelajaran tahun yang mendapat bantuan penoh, Sekolah2 1956 berkenaan dengan mengajar Menengah yang mendapat sa-paroh Bahasa Kebangsaan di-sekolah2 yang bantuan dan Sekolah2 Menengah Bebas. mendapat bantuan, guru2 Melayu lain2 Pada masa ini, tidak ada Sekolah2 yang sudah ada latehan, di-beri kursus Menengah Melayu tetapi ada sa-banyak khas sa-lama satu tahun dalam pelajaran 234 buah darjah2 Menengah yang mengajar Bahasa Kebangsaan dan guru2 menggunakan bahasa Melayu sa-bagai ini di-hantar ka-Sekolah2 Jenis Umum. bahasa penghantar yang di-tempatkan pada beberapa buah sekolah di-sekitar tanah ayer. Bilangan Sekolah2 Me- nengah yang bahasa penghantar-nya MINISTRY OF FINANCE bahasa China ia-lah 132 buah, 22 daripada-nya di-beri bantuan penoh Insurance Companies 38 buah daripada-nya mendapat sa- 3. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the panoh bantuan dan 72 buah Sekolah2 Minister of Finance to state the Bebas (termasok Sekolah2 Tinggi). following: Kesemua-nya bilangan Sekolah2 yang menggunakan bahasa Inggeris sa-bagai (a) The number of Insurance Com- bahasa penghantar-nya ia-lah 302 buah, panies registered each year 170 daripada-nya mendapat bantuan commencing from 1957 to the penoh, satu mendapat sa-paroh bantuan end of April, 1961. dan 131 Sekolah2 Bebas. Bilangan 2 (b) The names and addresses of Sekolah Menengah Bebas yang meng- these registered Insurance gunakan bahasa Tamil sa-bagai bahasa Companies. penghantar-nya ia-lah dua dan tidak ada sekolah jenis ini yang mendapat bantuan dari Kerajaan. The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan Siew Sin): (a) Number of Insurance Companies Language Institute trained Teachers registered: 2. Che' Khadijah binti Mohd. Sidek 1957 6 companies bertanya kapada Menteri Pelajaran 1958 akan sebab-nya mengapa guru2 lepasan ... 5 Maktab Perguruan Bahasa di-hantar 1959 ... 9 2 ka-Sekolah jenis Kebangsaan sahaja 1960 ... 7 dan tidak ka-Sekolah Kebangsaan. up to 30-4-61 ... 16 Enche' Abdul Rahman bin Haji Talib: Yang sa-benar-nya tidak-lah Total ... 43 betul di-katakan ia-itu guru2 yang tamat 1045 19 JUNE 1961 1046 (b) Names and addresses of registered Insurance Companies: (i) Foreign Insurance Companies—

Name of Company Registration Local Address 1. Life Insurance Corporation of India 18- 1-57 Oriental Building, 32 Mountbatten Road, Kuala Lumpur 2. The Nanyang Insurance Co., Ltd. ... 26- 3-57 44 Pudu Road, Kuala Lumpur 3. Overseas Union Insurance Ltd. ... 13-4-57 2 The Embankment, Kuala Lumpur 4. The People's Insurance Co. of Malaya 8- 8-57 Room 106 The Selangor Kwang Ltd. Tung Association Building, 44 Pudu Road, Kuala Lumpur 5. The Orion Insurance Co., Ltd. ... 27- 8-57 Room 408, 4th Floor, 174 Batu Road, Kuala Lumpur 6. The Eastern United Assurance Corp. 8-11-57 6th Floor, Great Eastern Life Ltd. Building, 44 Ampang Road, Kuala Lumpur 7. Welfare Insurance Co., Ltd 28-1- 58 Robinson Building, Mountbatten Road, Kuala Lumpur 8. The Ceylon Insurance Co., Ltd. ... 18- 7-59 M.C.A. Building, 67 Ampang Road, Kuala Lumpur 9. The Tokio Marine and Fire Insurance 24- 1-58 The Oversea Assurance Corpora- Co., Ltd. tion, 5 Malacca Street, Singapore 10. Hercules Insurance Co., Ltd 10-12-58 16-B Boat Quay, Singapore 11. The State Assurance Co., Ltd. ... 1-2-61 Hongkong and Shanghai Bank Chambers, Kuala Lumpur 12. Amsterdam London Versekering 6-1-59 2 The Embankment, Kuala Maatschappy, N.V. Lumpur 13. The Hindusthan General Insurance 13- 2-59 28 Mountbatten Road, Kuala Society Ltd. Lumpur 14. The National Fire and General 14- 7-59 152 Sungei Besi Road, Kuala Insurance Co., Ltd. Lumpur 15. The Industrial and Commercial 27-8-59 1st Floor, M.C.A. Building, Insurance Co., Ltd. Ampang Road, Kuala Lumpur 16. Sterling General Insurance Co., Ltd. 26- 4-58 P. Box 1517, Singapore 17. Nippon Fire and Marine Insurance 5- 4-61 C/o The Public Insurance Co. Co., Ltd. Ltd., 50 Klyne Street, Kuala Lumpur (ii) Local Insurance Companies registered in the Federation— Name of Company Incorporation Registered Office 1. Local 3341 Ban Chuan Pak Leng Co., 23-12-58 1 Sultan Lane, Kuala Lumpur Ltd. 2. Local 3319 Kinta Insurance Co., Ltd. 12- 3-59 154 Jalan Pasir Puteh, Ipoh 3. Local 3494 Peng Min Insurance Co., 2- 7-59 259 Kimberly Street, Penang Ltd. 4. Local 3559 United Malayan Insurance 1-10-59 5th Floor, Lee Yen Lian Building, Co., Ltd. Kuala Lumpur 5. Local 3605 The Great Eastern Life 22-12-59 162 Jalan Pasir Puteh, Ipoh Assurance Co., Ltd. (Formerly known as Nam Tai Insurance Co., Ltd.) 6. Local 3662 Poh Sin Insurance Co., 20- 2-60 1 Jalan Toh Puan Chah, Ipoh Ltd. 7. Local 3668 Cathay Insurance (Malaya) 26- 3-60 29-33 Lau Ek Ching Street, Ipoh Ltd. 8. Local 3703 Metro Enterprise Ltd. ... 2- 2-60 98 Jalan Yang Kelsom, Ipoh 9. Local 3849 Southern Territories 11-8-60 11 Sultan Lane, Kuala Lumpur Assurance Co., Ltd. 1047 19 JUNE 1961 1048

Date of Name of Company Incorporation Registered Office 10. Local 3906 Popular Enterprise Ltd. 6- 9-60 Room 401, Kwong Thong Assurance Building, Kuala Lum- pur 11. Local 3943 Peace Insurance Co., Ltd. 10-10-60 26 Laxamana Road, Ipoh 12. Local 3933 Sinmah Insurance Co., Ltd. 26-11-60 172-174 Jalan Pasir Puteh, Ipoh (Formerly known as Great Wall Enterprise Ltd.) 13. Local 4053 Universal Insurance Co., 12- 1-61 Istana Bank, Klang Ltd. 14. Local 3996 Mah Pong Insurance Co., 2- 2-61 30 Foch Avenue (1st Floor), Kuala Ltd. Lumpur 15. Local 3971 Venhen Assurance Co., Ltd. 3- 2-61 17 Pudu Lane, Kuala Lumpur 16. Local 4002 The Malayan Life and 28- 1-61 142 Batu Road, Kuala Lumpur General Assurance Co., Ltd. 17. Local 4102 Kong Wan Corporation 1-3-61 3 Jalan Toh Puan Chah, Ipoh Ltd. 4- 3-61 37 Campbell Street, Penang 18. Local 4105 Merdeka Insurance Co., Ltd. 22- 3-61 98 Jalan Yang Kelsom, Ipoh 19. Local 4112 Northern Malaya Insurance Co., Ltd. 12-5-61 113 Beach Street, Penang 20. Local 4167 Min Sang Assurance Co., Ltd. 12- 5-61 157 Jalan Pasir Puteh, Ipoh 21. Local 4171 Billion Insurance Co., Ltd. 12-5-61 116 Batu Road, Kuala Lumpur 22. Local 4180 Sea Hoi Insurance Co., Ltd. 24- 5-61 157 Jalan Pasir Puteh, Ipoh 23. Local 4149 Golden Wall Insurance Co., Ltd. 24- 5-61 25 Jalan Tokong, Pasir Puteh, Ipoh 24. Local 4111 Chun Cheong Insurance Co., Ltd. 24- 5-61 91 Jalan Yang Kelsom, Ipoh 30- 5-61 67 Kampar Road, Ipoh 25. Local 4179 Fair Insurance Co., Ltd. ... 26. Local 4181 Peninsula Insurance Co., Ltd. T. B. Wards and Nurses' Hostel, MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND Tanjong Malim SOCIAL WELFARE 5. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the Assistance from Social and Welfare Services Minister of Health and Social Welfare Lotteries Board to state whether the T.B. wards 4. Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya and the Nurses' Hostel for Tanjong kapada Menteri Kesihatan dan Ke- Malim will be constructed before the bajikan Masharakat berapa-kah bi- end of 1961. 2 2 2 langan masjid , gereja , surau dan Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Provisions of dewan masharakat dalam Persekutuan $80,000 for the construction of a T.B. Tanah Melayu yang telah menerima ward and $100,000 for a Nurses' Hostel bantuan daripada Lembaga Loteri at Tanjong Malim Hospital have been Perkhidmatan Masharakat dalam tahun made in the 1961 Development Esti- 1960. mates. It is expected that the work will The Minister of Health and Social commence later this year and will be Welfare (Dato' Ong Yoke Lin): completed next year. Bilangan masjid2, gereja2, surau2 dan dewan2 masharakat yang telah men- Dental Clinic, Tanjong Malim dapat bantuan daripada Lembaga 6. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the Loteri Perkhidmatan Masharakat Minister of Health and Social Welfare dalam tahun 1960 ia-lah saperti to state when will the Tanjong Malim berikut: Dental Clinic Building be constructed Masjid 141 buah on the site already available. Gereja tiada Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: A suitable Surau 158 „ site for the Tanjong Malim Dental Cli- Dewan Masharakat 45 nic has been found and application for 1049 19 JUNE 1961 1050 its alienation has been submitted to the Commissioner of Oaths, Registered Collector of Land Revenue. In the Medical Practitioner, Bank Manager, meantime permission to occupy the Chartered, Incorporated or Certified land is being sought. It is expected Accountant; or that the construction of the Dental Clinic will commence some time this Government or Municipal Officer in year and can only be completed in one of the following Government cate- 1962. gories or their Municipal equivalents: Officers of Division I or II (e.g. Telephone Booths in Hospitals Senior Officer or a member of the 7. Enche' Lee Seek Fun asks the highest grade of the Clerical and Minister of Health and Social Welfare Technical Services), Health Inspector to state whether he is considering to of Grade I or above; or have Telephone booths in all hospitals Government officer in one of the throughout the Federation of Malaya. following categories: Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: It is the Penghulus, Teachers, Chief Clerks Government's policy to provide "call of Land and District Offices, Land offices" in hospital grounds wherever a Bailiffs, Settlement Officers, Police real public need exists. Inspectors. It is not considered necessary to MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR extend this list further. CITIZENSHIP Registration Centre, Kampar Persons qualified to certify length of residence 9. Enche' Chan Yoon Onn asks the Minister of the Interior to state 8. Enche' Lee Seck Fun asks the whether he is aware that application Minister of the Interior to state whether forms for citizenship are constantly in he is considering accepting signatures short supply at the Registration Centre of Presidents of Registered Political in Kampar, and if so, what steps he is Parties, Associations and Unions taking to improve the supply of these verifying applicants' length of residence forms. in the country when applying for Federal Citizenship Certificates. Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul Rahman: The demand for these forms The Minister of the Interior (Dato' has been heavy but new supplies are Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul Rahman): now available and have been distri- Documentary evidence of residence in buted to all citizenship offices, inclu- the Federation constitutes an important ding Kampar. factor when considering an application for citizenship and consequently certi- ficates from persons who are not easily Delay in Registration Centres identifiable are unacceptable. In accor- 10. Enche' Chan Yoon Onn asks the dance with a directive issued by the Minister of the Interior if he is aware Commissioner of National Registra- that there is always delay in replying tion the following persons may give by State and Federation Registration certificates or testimonials relating to Centres to letters from applicants for evidence of residence in the Federation citizenship or for amendments of in connection with applications under certificates of citizenship, and if so, to Articles 16, 17 and 19 of the Constitu- state what steps he is taking to deal tion— with the situation. A Member of Parliament, a Member Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul of the State Assembly, a Member of Rahman: The offices in question are the Municipal Council, a Town Council working under heavy pressure, but or a Local Council; every endeavour is being made to Magistrate, Justice of the Peace, provide an efficient service to the Advocate and Solicitor, Notary Public, public. 1051 19 JUNE 1961 1052 MINISTRY OF INTERNAL Dalam Negeri ada-kah sampai kapada SECURITY pengetahuan beliau ia-itu ahli2 Pasokan Polis Hutan No. 8 "C" Company tidak "C" Company, No. 8 Police Field Force, di-beri layanan yang sama; akibat-nya Ipoh P.C. 907 manakala meninggal anak 11. Enche' Ahmad Boestamam ber- laki2-nya pada 4 haribulan March, tanya kapada Menteri Keselamatan 1961, dan P.C. 24483 manakala isteri- Dalam Negeri ada-kah sampai kepenge- nya telah di-shaki mendapat sakit otak, tahuan-nya ia-itu ahli2 Pasokan No. 8 terpaksa pulang ka-kampong mereka Polis Pasokan Hutan "C" Company dengan sendiri-nya, sedang P.C. 3095 yang baharu2 ini di-perentahkan ber- manakala meninggal ayah-nya pada 11 tugas menjadi "escort" orang2 darat haribulan March, 1961, telah di- yang mengangkut ration dari "Drop- berikan naik Helicopter yang di-panggil ping Zone" di-sempadan Perak-Siam, khas untok menerbangkan-nya. Sakira- telah di-perentah mengangkut ration itu nya beliau sedar, apa-kah langkah ka-Kampong Hala dalam kawasan Siam Kerajaan untok membetulkan layanan lebeh kurang empat batu jaoh-nya, 2 yang tidak sama ini, dan sakira-nya manakala orang darat itu tidak mahu beliau tidak sedar, ada-kah beliau dapat mengangkut-nya. Sakira-nya beliau menjalankan penyiasatan atas perkara sedar, ada-kah kerja mengangkut ini. ration2 itu jadi sa-bahagian daripada tugas Pasokan Polis Hutan; sakira-nya Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul beliau tidak sedar akan hal ini, ada-kah Rahman: Tidak benar di-katakan ia- dapat beliau menjalankan penyiasatan itu anggota2 "C" Company Pasokan atas-nya, dan sakira-nya mustahak, Polis Hutan No. 8 tidak di-beri apa-kah langkah Kerajaan untok layanan yang sama. Ketiga2 anggota mengelakkan kejadian yang sa-rupa Polis yang di-sebutkan itu telah di- itu supaya jangan berulang sa-kali lagi. tolong sa-berapa dapat di-tolong, dalam The Minister of Internal Security keadaan menjalankan gerakan yang (Dato' Dr. Ismail bin Dato' Abdul serba-serbi-nya susah. Rahman): Sememang-nya benar ia-itu 2 Cherita yang sa-benar-nya, apabila anggota "C" Company Pasokan Polis di-terima perkhabaran tentang kematian Hutan No. 8, pada masa yang di-sebut- anak P.C. 907 dan keuzoran isteri P.C. kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, 2 2 telah di-kehendaki menerima dan 24483, kedua orang mata ini telah 2 di-tolong supaya dapat balek ka-kam- membawa barang chatuan yang di- 2 jatohkan dari kapal terbang untok pong masing dengan sa-berapa segera- 2 nya. Ketua pasokan mereka telah pasokan yang mengambil bahagian di- 2 dalam sa-suatu gerakan ia-lah sa- berkira hendak menghantar mata ini bahagian daripada kewajipan mereka dengan tidak berlengah lagi ka-Pang- dalam apa2 gerakan. Lazim jua kalan (Fort) yang hampir sa-kali, dan bagi pasokan2 keselamatan membawa dari Pangkalan sana hendak di-hantar 2 dengan perahu motor ka-Grik. Di-Grik barang chatuan apabila di-kehendaki. telah di-sediakan kereta untok mereka Tugas yang di-berikan kapada "C" 2 Company Pasokan Polis Hutan No. 8, balek ka-kampong masing . itu ia-lah sa-bahagian daripada kerja mustahak dalam gerakan ini. Usaha2 Tidak benar di-katakan ia-itu sa- telah di-jalankan bagi menchari orang2 buah kapal terbang helicopter telah asli membantu mengurangkan penat di-panggil khas untok membawa P.C. lelah anggota2 yang kena bekerja lama 3095 balek ka-kampong-nya. Helicopter dalam sa-suatu gerakan tetapi apabila ini telah di-panggil untok membawa 2 2 keluar sa-orang yang telah chedera tidak dapat orang asli maka anggota dari kawasan gerakan itu. Oleh kerana "C" Company itu telah menjalankan dalam Helicopter itu ada tempat kewajipan mereka di-dalam gerakan ini kosong, tempat kosong itu telah di- dengan tidak di-bantu oleh orang lain. berikan kapada P.C. 3095 untok 12. Enche' Ahmad Boestamam ber- menolong dia balek ka-kampong-nya tanya kapada Menteri Keselamatan dengan sa-berapa segera yang boleh. 1053 19 JUNE 1961 1054 PRIME MINISTER'S Judges and Judges who are DEPARTMENT Malayan citizens are as follows: Radio Malaya (i) Salary: The same for 13. Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin expatriate or Malayan Abdul Ghani bertanya kapada Perdana citizens: Menteri akan sebab-nya Radio Malaya Chief Justice ... $2,570p.m. menggunakan perkataan "Radio Judges of Appeal 2,050 p.m. Malaya" pada permulaan dan peng- 2 Puisne Judge ... 1,970p.m. habisan tiap ranchangan, dan tidak (ii) Cost of Living Allow- perkataan "Persekutuan Tanah ance: The same for Melayu". expatriate or Malayan The Prime Minister: Nama pang- citizens. The allowance gilan "Radio Malaya" ini rata sa-dunia depends on the marital di-ketahui orang dan di-pakai dalam circumstances and the ke-empat2 ranchangan bahasa (Melayu, number of dependent Inggeris, China dan India) yang ada children of the Judges di-siarkan sekarang ini semenjak concerned. tertuboh-nya Jabatan Siaran Radio (iii) Expatriation Pay: Pay- pada tahun 1946. "Radio Tanah able to expatriate Judges Melayu" memang-lah terjemahan yang only. tepat sekali dalam bahasa Melayu-nya $280 p.m.—if single. bagi "Radio Malaya". Perkara 380 p.m.—if married with menukarkan nama panggilan ini sedang no dependent di-timbangkan. children. 480 p.m.—if married with Judges' Emoluments dependent child- 14. Enche' K. Karam Singh asks the ren. Prime Minister to state the following: (b) The difference is only in the (a) What are the total emoluments expatriation pay which falls and allowances of expatriate within the terms of service of Judges and Judges who are the expatriate Judges and in Malayan Citizens. keeping with service prin- (b) What is the reason for the ciple as agreed to in the difference of emoluments and London Agreement, 1959. allowances. (c) The differential allowance being (c) When will this anomaly be a part of the terms of service remedied. can hardly be regarded as an anomaly. This will cease The Prime Minister: when the last expatriate (a) The total emoluments and Judge has retired from the allowances of expatriate service.