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Just Thinking VOLUME 20.3 I WWW.RZIM.ORG JTHUE MAGS AZINET OF RATVI ZAHCHARIIASN INTERNKATIONIALN MINISG TRIES The Heart of Ap olog etics PAGE 14 + ENGAGING THE HAPPY THINKING PAGAN PAGE 2 IS RELIGION A CRUTCH? PAGE 10 Just Thinking is a teaching resource of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries and exists to engender thoughtful engagement with apologetics, Scripture, and the whole of life. Danielle DuRant Editor Ravi Zacharias International Ministries 4725 Peachtree Corners Circle Suite 250 Norcross, Georgia 30092 770.449.6766 WWW.RZIM.ORG HELPING THE THINKER BELIEVE. HELPING THE BELIEVER THINK. TABLE of CONTENTS VOLUME 20.3 2 Engaging the Happy 14 The Heart of Apologetics Thinking Pagan As Alister McGrath points out in his What does it mean when people book Mere Apologetics , apologetics are content with life without is not a set of techniques for winning bothering about the question of God? people to Christ or a set of argumen - Recently Ravi Zacharias sat down tative templates designed to win with Danielle DuRant to discuss the debates. Rather, it is a willingness idea of the “happy thinking pagan.” to work with God in helping people discover and turn to his glory. We are to “follow Him” by casting our 10 Is Religion a Crutch? nets out to everyone and pointing Believers are often caricatured as them to the greater reality of God being weak and naïve—the kind and the risen Christ. of people who need their faith as a crutch just to get them through life. But as Simon Wenham notes, the 26 Think Again truth of the matter is that Jesus never offered a crutch, only a cross. Ravi Zacharias observes that we are all on a search for something beyond the routine and the normal. Even seekers of pleasure long to know they matter and latch on to what they hope will deliver fulfillment, if even for the moment. JUST THINKING • The Quarterly Magazine of RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES Engaging the Happy Thinking Pagan Ravi Zacharias with Danielle DuRant Do you know people who are very content with life without bothering about the question of God? Ravi Zacharias sat down with Danielle DuRant to discuss the idea of the “happy thinking pagan.” To hear the interview, go to www.rzim.org. [2] JUST THINKING • RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES Danielle DuRant: You’ve spoken about the moral theory. It has a cultural theory. It has “happy thinking pagan.” What do you mean by a financial theory. So I think in its core the this phrase? Islamic worldview would pose a greater challenge to the life and the lifestyle of the Ravi Zacharias: I think the first time I Western worldview because in the Western heard that term was about three decades worldview you are given the freedom to ago. It was from Os Guinness and he believe and disbelieve. It’s not always true talked about the fact that this was the in Islamic nations. So I would say in terms emerging new way of thinking. That is, “I of the freedom of these thing s, the greater don’t believe anything but I’m very happy. challenge to the world right now is coming What does it matter?” And of course, it from that worldview, but in terms of the was also along the time of slogans such as pervasiveness of belief systems, paganism “If it feels good, do it” and “Don’t worry, is certainly a daunting one. I don’t think be happy.” Then the whole question came it’s as fearsome but it is real. up about what does the so-called happy s pagan actually believe, and it was border - —— —— line radical skepticism: not really taking DD: You’ve said that the problem of pleasure any view of the transcendent seriously bu t rather than the problem of pain more often just the pursuit of happiness, raw and drives us to think of spiritual things. So how unbridled. This sometimes moved into would you account for the happy pagan? radical hedonism, other times just to contentment. So I mean people who are RZ: Good question. I think the reason it very content with life without bothering can be accounted for is the same way about the question of God. materialism succeeds. There is always the s sense that one more digit in my paycheck —— —— will make a difference. One added home. DD: Philosopher Peter Kreeft argues that “the One added car. One added excursion. One most serious challenge for Christianity today other vacation. We think by the simpl e act isn’t one of the other great religions of the world, of change we will alter everything on the such as Islam or Buddhism.” Rather, it is pagan - inside. So it has that lure to it. But at the ism, which he defines as “the religion of man as same time pleasure, when it has delivered the new God.” Would you agree with him? what it can, definitely does leave you empty . Nothing is more obvious than this RZ: Partly. I don’t think I’d agree with in the Hollywood world: the breakup of him completely though Kreeft is a much relationships, the breakup of homes, the wiser man and a better informed man than breakup of commitments. Who knows all I am. I suppose I would wonder what he the heartaches with which many of them means by that in the pervasive sense of go to bed. a belief system. Yes, paganism can be especially daunting with the reviva l of I remember Michael Landon, Jr., talking certain types of Gnosticism and mysticis m. about the heartache of his family and ho w Yes, the numbers in the West are growin g, even though his father was so wonderful but in terms of a threat to stability and to watch living out on the homestead on freedom, I don’t think that’s the greatest “Little House on the Prairie,” deep in his threat we face. I think the whole Islamic inner life it was a total chaos. That is true worldview has a real challenge and I’ll tell of the entertainment world and they you why. It has a challenge because it is epitomize pleasure. They are purveyors comprehensive. It is political. It has a of pleasure. JUST THINKING • VOLUME 20.3 [3] On the other hand, those who watch fro m do you handle success? You know, we the sidelines, I think all of us included, often think of the fall of Lucifer. The somehow think success is more than biggest sin in the church today is anythin g what we actually think it is. Now let me to do with sexual sin. But it was not qualify that. I do believe it is great to be sexual sin that brought Lucifer down. It comfortable in our material holdings. was autonomy, pride, and power—that’s Who wants to be poor? Who wants to at the root of all evil. All these other worry about the next meal? We all like to things, while they are real, are secondary. have those comforts. But it is only the So I think the whole issue of the struggle inner being within you that is able to to interpret who I am will ultimately lie at transcend that and look beyond that the root of how to define pleasure and pain. and not look at ultimate reality through And those realities, while symptomatic, a skewed way. are anchored in essence and definitions s of ultimate meaning. —— —— s DD: You contend in your new book, —— —— Why Jesus , that both pleasure and pain DD: So do you think the happy pagan is truly are rooted in the question of our origin. happy or maybe, as you even alluded, do we need What do you mean? to begin first with a definition of happiness? RZ: There is absolutely no doubt that our RZ: Yes, I think I’ll have to say that on lives are constantly invaded with either the surface some people would seem to ecstasy or heartache. Nobody is spared be happy. I always like these commercials this. In my line of work now as I look at outside restaurants for “happy hour.” it in the last stretch over against the You know, I just find it is so ridiculous. beginning and middle distance, what I I remember in Bangkok once walking out see more often is people disappointed, of my hotel, and this guy was standing disheartened, disillusioned becoming there announcing “Happy hour, happy skeptical and trying to find their way out hour.” So I stopped and said to him, “Are of the mess. On the other hand, there are you only happy for one hour?” those who have been there, done that, who also still continue to ask questions. The Do I think they’re truly happy? I think they only way to interpret these emotion-laden have punctuated moments of happiness. I realities is to go back to the intellectual do not think true happiness is ultimately backdrop of how to handle them. How found unless you’ve got a relationship he only way to interpret these emotion-laden realities is Tto go back to the intellectual backdrop of how to handle them. How do you handle success? You know, we often think of the fall of Lucifer. The biggest sin in the church today is anything to do with sexual sin. But it was not sexual sin that brought Lucifer down. It was autonomy , pride, and power—that’s at the root of all evil.
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