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Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities HUMA Ï NUMBER 107 Ï 1st SESSION Ï 42nd PARLIAMENT EVIDENCE Wednesday, June 6, 2018 Chair Mr. Bryan May 1 Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities Wednesday, June 6, 2018 [English] Ï (1245) The Chair: Thank you. [English] Is there any further discussion on the amendment that's been The Chair (Mr. Bryan May (Cambridge, Lib.)): Welcome, proposed by Madam Sansoucy? everybody. Pursuant to an order of reference on Thursday, February I see no further discussion. Okay. We have a choice. We could get 1, 2018, the committee is resuming clause-by-clause consideration of started now or we could suspend until the minister arrives. Do we Bill C-62, an act to amend the Federal Public Sector Labour have a decision? Relations Act and other acts. We're going to wait until after the minister arrives and do clause- Madam Sansoucy. by-clause after. [Translation] Madam Sansoucy, do you have any further comments before we Ms. Brigitte Sansoucy (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, NDP): It's a suspend? bit unusual for me to step in like this at the end of process, but my colleague Karine Trudel had to go back to her riding. [Translation] Ms. Brigitte Sansoucy: No. However, she has introduced three amendments that really are essentially the same. I assure you I won't make the same arguments [English] three times. I'll state them once, and you can consider them valid for The Chair: We're going to suspend. The minister is scheduled to all three amendments. You need only copy and paste them in your arrive at one o'clock. If he arrives at 12:55, we're going to get started mind. right away. Ï (1250) The amendment proposed by my colleague was requested during (Pause) testimony by Ursula Hendel, president of the Association of Justice (1255) Counsel, and Chris Aylward, national president of the Canadian Ï Public Service Alliance. The Chair: Welcome back, everybody. The purpose of the amendment is to ensure that the bill is Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), this committee will consider the constitutional. In a judgment rendered in 2015, the Supreme Court main estimates 2018-2019: vote 1 under Canada Mortgage and held that Saskatchewan's essential services legislation was uncon- Housing Corporation, vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupa- stitutional. As provisions of that act contains wording similar to that tional Health and Safety, and votes 1 and 5 under Department of of clause 9 of Bill C-62, the amendment concerns pages 35 and 36 Employment and Social Development, referred to the committee on on page 5. Monday, April 16, 2018. The purpose of the provision is to ensure that non-union personnel We are very pleased to be joined once again by the Honourable are not disadvantaged during a strike or subjected to pressures to Jean-Yves Duclos, Minister of Families, Children and Social which they would normally be exposed during a work stoppage. Development, as well as the department officials. These lines appear word for word in the Saskatchewan act. Their We're going to get right into it for the first six minutes. wording was cited by the court, which held that, if qualified Monsieur Blaney, please. personnel are available to deliver requisite services, it should not matter that they are non-union personnel. Consequently, the [Translation] provision works at cross purposes to ensuring uninterrupted delivery Hon. Steven Blaney (Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, of essential services during a work stoppage. CPC): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. In conclusion, I would say these amendments address the concern As vice-chair, I want to join with our chair in welcoming you, that Bill C-62 does not sufficiently reflect the Supreme Court minister. We are pleased to welcome you to the committee as part of judgment rendered in 2015. The bill should therefore be amended. our analysis and approval of certain budgetary appropriations. 2 HUMA-107 June 6, 2018 Without further ado, I will proceed with my questions. Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: I'm prepared to answer the question, which is very important. Canadians and the members of this On September 6, 2016, you made a commitment on Radio-Canada committee must clearly understand how we have worked over the public television to resolve a situation that had dragged on for past two years and what we intend to do for the rest of our mandate. decades and involved thousands of workers suffering from serious diseases. Those workers are currently entitled to 15 weeks of Out of respect for all the Canadians listening to us and for the benefits payable in the event of serious illness. During the election work of this committee, I have an obligation to discuss the campaign, the government and you personally made a commitment framework within which— to resolve that situation. I'm thinking, for example, of Marie-Hélène Hon. Steven Blaney: Thank you, minister. I see you don't want to Dubé, whom you met a few weeks ago and told that you were answer the question. Now I'll ask you another one. working on the matter. We're here to approve budgetary appropriations. The Canada Are you now undertaking to meet the commitment that the Summer Jobs program is discussed on page 56 of budget 2018. Do government and you yourself made to resolve this situation more you think it's normal that 20 members of your party allocated than two years ago? If so, when will you do it? funding to entities that support terrorist organizations that make I know you are doing a lot of good things, but I would like to hear homophobic remarks and support anti-semitism? your response on the specific issue of the 15 weeks of payable Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: Not only should you insist that the many benefits. When will you respectfully treat employment insurance young people in our ridings receive the financial support we have claimants who are suffering from a serious illness? allocated to them and that they take advantage of the opportunity we Ï (1300) afford them to work and acquire invaluable skills, you also have an obligation to do so. Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos (Minister of Families, Children and Social Development): Thank you, Mr. Chair. Hon. Steven Blaney: Absolutely, minister. Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: As you've probably noted as well—and I would be remiss not to say how happy I am to see you again. if you haven't, I'm going to inform you about it—starting in 2016, Unfortunately, we have been separated from one another in recent we doubled the number of jobs available to young Canadians to weeks as a result of the intense work we have had to do in the House assist them at a time in their lives when they are a little more of Commons and the efforts you have been making for many months financially strapped and to give them the opportunity to develop to address issues that are important for our government and for their skills. In this way, they will become workers who can everyone around this table. contribute to our economic growth and social development. As you said so well, Mr. Blaney, my colleague and member for the Hon. Steven Blaney: I'm very familiar with the Canada Summer riding adjacent to my own, I am still fortunate to be surrounded by Jobs program, minister. However, 20 Liberal members have very hard-working senior officials. provided funding to organizations that have made homophobic remarks. I will begin by answering your question by providing a general employment insurance framework. It is a framework that, at the Were those remarks made consciously? Were the members aware same time, indicates the extent to which— they were funding organizations that support terrorist groups such as Hon. Steven Blaney: Pardon me, minister. As we were Hezbollah and Hamas, or was this a form of rank incompetence? interrupted the last time, I would ask you please to answer my You have also put a certification process in place specifically to question. You made a commitment on public television to do ensure compliance with the Canadian Charter of Rights and something. Is the promise of 15 weeks an empty one, or are you Freedoms. How is it that 20 Liberal MPs have funded organizations actually going to resolve this matter? If so, when? Can you answer associated with terrorist groups that make absolutely unthinkable that question? If not, I have other questions for you. We've already comments in 2018? heard your presentation. I would like an answer to my question, please, minister. Ï (1305) Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: These are in fact job opportunities that Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: I was about to discuss two promises that are both significant and increasingly available in our society as a we have made. The first was made in 2015. We said we would not result of the considerable support the Canadian government has only repair some of the damage done by Mr. Harper's Conservative provided in the past two years. government— Hon. Steven Blaney: Minister, since I have only 10 seconds left, I Hon. Steven Blaney: Minister, if you don't want to answer the would ask you to— question, I'll ask you others. In that case, I will understand that you have refused to answer the question. Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos: If you would like more specific details, you will have to speak respectfully to my colleague Patricia Hajdu.