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Vol. 777 Tuesday No. 81 13 December 2016 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Questions Brexit: Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010............................................1121 Calais: Child Refugees..................................................................................................1124 Brexit: European Union Citizenship.............................................................................1126 Educational Attainment: International Rankings.........................................................1129 Savings (Government Contributions) Bill First Reading.................................................................................................................1132 Marriage and Civil Partnership (Minimum Age) Bill [HL] Order of Commitment Discharged.................................................................................1132 Lobbying (Transparency) Bill [HL] Report ...........................................................................................................................1132 Intellectual Property (Unjustified Threats) Bill [HL] Third Reading ...............................................................................................................1132 Care Quality Commission Review: Deaths in the NHS Statement......................................................................................................................1134 Digital Economy Bill Second Reading ............................................................................................................1142 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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Could the Minister confirm that the transitional deal, as well as the final one, will be put before both Houses? 2.37 pm Asked by Lord Tyler Lord Bridges of Headley: My Lords, I am sorry to say that it is slightly premature for me to start commenting To ask Her Majesty’s Government at what stage, on all these points as regards the negotiations, which or stages, of the negotiations to leave the European have yet to begin. As for transition, I have said at this Union they expect to meet the requirements of Dispatch Box, my right honourable friend the Secretary Part 2 of the Constitutional Reform and Governance of State has said, the Prime Minister has said and the Act 2010. Chancellor of the Exchequer said yesterday that we wish to have a smooth and orderly exit from the EU. TheParliamentaryUnder-Secretaryof State,Department That is in this country’s interests and in the interests of for Exiting the European Union (Lord Bridges of Headley) many right across Europe—and, indeed, that is what I (Con): My Lords, the precise terms on which we leave have been hearing up and down the length and breadth the EU will be determined by the negotiations that of the country. As for our plan, it will be revealed in follow the triggering of Article 50. These negotiations due course. have yet to begin. It is therefore premature to speculate abouttimetables.However,theGovernmenttakeseriously, Lord Hannay of Chiswick (CB): My Lords, does the and will comply with, all the constitutional and legal Minister recognise that this week there is a string of obligations that apply to the deal that we negotiate six reports coming out from the European Select with the EU. Committee, of which, I hasten to add, I am not a member? They are filled with wisdom, if the two that I have read so far are anything to go by. I am sure he will Lord Tyler (LD): My Lords, this is an Act of this take them away for Christmas and read them. The Parliament—nothing to do with Europe or Brussels normal practice is that the Government respond to but good British law. I would have expected by now, such reports within two months. That is rather awkward six months since the referendum, that the Government timing, given the commitment to produce a plan and would be setting out in detail how they expect Parliament the possible need to produce legislation. Can the Minister to respond to the initiatives on treaties. It is our guarantee that the Government’s response to those six statutory responsibility to scrutinise and ratify treaties. reports will be available to the House before we debate Can the Minister give us a little more detail? He is either the legislation or the plan, so that we know how being incredibly coy. It is as if he and his colleagues they are reacting to them? were frightened of what Parliament might do. Could he at least indicate that this could be part of the subject of the White Paper that I hope he and his Lord Bridges of Headley: First, I repeat what I said colleagues are going to produce? a moment ago: I thank the European Select Committees for their work. Christmas is indeed coming early for my department: there are large numbers of very useful Lord Bridges of Headley: I am sorry that I am being contributions to the debate coming out. I am assured coy, my Lords. We have set out where Parliament will by my noble friend the Chief Whip that there are likely indeed be playing a very crucial role in the repeal of to be opportunities for debates on these reports in the the European Communities Act, and Parliament—and near future. I will reflect on the other points which the this House—has been doing a tremendous amount of noble Lord made. very useful scrutiny and work in the EU Select Committee and elsewhere. We will indeed look at what steps will be taken through the process, but I am not able to go Baroness Ludford (LD): My Lords, the Minister further at this stage. made reference to the good reports coming from committees of this House, which I am sure would include the EU Select Committee and the Constitution Lord Spicer (Con): Is not the essence of the European Committee. In the light of that, will he share with us Union the single market? If you leave one, you leave the fundamental reason why the Government refused the other and, for that matter, if you leave the other, to act sensibly and in good faith after 23 June? By you leave the one. making Parliament their partner in the Article 50 process 1123 Brexit: Constitutional Reform [LORDS] Calais: Child Refugees 1124 [BARONESS LUDFORD] Lord Wallace of Saltaire (LD): My Lords, the Prime and treating it as an equal, they would have obviated Minister has said several times that we are leaving the the litigation which involves so much delay—and angels European Union, not leaving Europe. Will the Minister on a pinhead—and acted in political and constitutional explain how we make sure that, in leaving Europe, we good faith. maintain the close relations with the other members of the EU which will be necessary after we have left? Lord Bridges of Headley: My Lords, I dispute the premiseof thenobleBaroness’squestion.TheGovernment Lord Bridges of Headley: The noble Lord makes a are treating Parliament with a great deal of respect. good point about our wish to retain the ability to Regarding the legal case, the Government’s position co-operate where there are matters of mutual self-interest has been clear all along. It is now a matter for the and national interest, as we have said all along. I am Supreme Court, whose judgment we await with great sure that this will be set out in the weeks and months interest. ahead. Lord Hain (Lab): My