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PUBLIC SESSION MINUTES OF ORAL EVIDENCE taken before HIGH SPEED RAIL COMMITTEE On the HIGH SPEED RAIL (LONDON – WEST MIDLANDS) BILL Tuesday, 3 November 2015 (Morning) In Committee Room 5 PRESENT: Mr Robert Syms (Chair) Sir Peter Bottomley Mr Henry Bellingham Mr David Crausby _____________ IN ATTENDANCE Mr Tim Mould QC, Lead Counsel, Department for Transport Witnesses: Mr Richard Williams Mr Richard Birch Mr Ian C hisholm Mrs Rosemary Chisholm Mrs Susan Hetherington Mr Andrew Hetherington Ms Caro l Perkins Mr Conor Gallagher Mr Michael Barden Ms Susan Barden Mr Derek Pitts and Ms Jane Pitts Mr Alexander Jones and Mr Jonathan Jones Mr Wayne Griffiths _____________ IN PUBLIC SESSION INDEX Subject Page Richard Birch, Dr Carol Anne Blyth, Christopher Brownhill and others Submissions by Mr Williams 3 Response from Mr Mould 11 Closing submissions by Mr Williams 13 Ian and Rosemary C hisholm Submissions by Mr and Mrs C hisholm 14 Response from Mr Mould 17 Susan Hetherington and Andrew Hetherington Submissions by Mrs Hetherington 20 Response from Mr Mould 25 Closing submissions by Mrs Hetherington 26 Carol Perkins Submissions by Ms Perkins 27 Response from Mr Mould 30 Conor Gallagher Submissions by Mr Gallagher 33 Response from Mr Mould 38 Closing submissions by Mr Gallagher 41 Michael Barden Submissions by Mr Barden 41 Response from Mr Mould 43 Susan Barden Submissions by Ms Barden 45 Derek and Jane Pitts Submissions by M r P itts 46 Response from Mr Mould 54 Jonathan, Jacob, Alexander and Fiona Jones Submissions by Mr Alexander Jones 54 Submissions by Mr Jonathan Jones 55 Sarah and Anthony O’Connor Submissions by Mr Griffiths 59 Response from Mr Mould 63 Closing Submissions from Mr Griffiths 64 Stuart Smith and Robert Moreton Submissions by Mr Morris 66 Response from Mr Mould 68 (At 9.30) 1. CHAIR: Order, order. Welcome to the HS2 Select Committee. Welcome to the petitioners this morning. We’ll start off with 1582, 76 and 1693, Richard Birch, Dr Carol Anne Blyth, Christopher Brownhill and others, in person. Richard Birch, D r Carol Anne Blyth, Christopher B rownhill and others 2. CHAIR: Mr Mould, are you going to do a brief introduction? 3. MR MOULD QC (DfT): Yes thank you. P10121. These petitioners are from Perry Street and Chiltern Road in Wendover. Perry Street here, this is Mr Brownhill. Mr Birch is just here, if we can bring the cursor down just to this point here, and then Ms Blyth is on Chiltern Road at this property just in here, I think. As you can see, the railway as it passes to the west of these roads is in green tunnel. As I mentioned yesterday, as part of the additional provision it’s proposed to provide a six metre noise barrier for some 300 metres on the eastern side of the railway as it emerges from green tunnel to the north of Wendover, and our predictions are that there will be no significant no ise e ffe cts from the operation of the railway on this part of the town of Wendover. Just to remind you that we have the existing railway line and the A413 passing to the west of the town, and then the construction of the green tunnel beyond that, and then the operation of the railway within green tunnel following completion of the construction of the scheme. And no construction traffic through Wendover. I perhaps ought just to remind you of that as well. 4. CHAIR: Are you going to kick off? 5. MR WILLIAMS: Yes. 6. CHAIR: Thank you gentlemen. 7. MR WILLIAMS: Morning. Thank you for your time. My name is Richard Williams and I am the representative speaker in relation to these three petitions for Messrs Blyth, Birch and Brownhill. I’m also one of the group of petitioners in the 3 Bir c h petition, and I’ve lived in Wendover for some 17 years, since long before HS2 was a twinkle in the eye of the authorities that have put this together. With me today are Richard Birch, who is one of the petitioners. I also have Chris Mathew, who is one of the petitioners on the Brownhill petition, and John Mapleston-Stroud, who is one of the petitioners on the Birch petition. Unfortunately Dr Blyth has been taken sick and was unable to come today, and she has sent her apologies. And as you’ll be hearing a little later on, that has created one issue for me in relation to what I wanted to say, so I hope you will bear with me in relation to that. 8. We decided some months ago to club together as we have a common interest, and in doing this we wanted to assist the Committee by obviously cutting down the amount of time that we spent in front of you today, so I hope that you will appreciate that. All of us have lived in Wendover for over a decade, and in some cases considerably longer than that, and considerably longer than I myself have done. If we could have the next s lide p lea se. We’re all active and enthusiastic participators in our community and our way of life, and we think that that local community is a very vibrant one and is worth protecting. Wendover is an attractive, historic and outstanding village and situated between the two highest points in the Chilterns and is obviously, as you know, a key staging post on the Ridgeway long distance footpath, with all that has to offer to visitors to our village. We enjoy the tranquillity of our gardens – we all have them and we spend a lot of time in them – and all the considerable local amenities that we have in Wendover. 9. It is a very active community and we all participate in it to a greater or lesser degree. In our group we’ve got persons who’ve served as chair of the local Wildlife Trust, school governors, I’m still a school governor at the moment, chairs of local nurseries, chairs of toddler groups, people who’ve worked in our local schools, people who’ve worked in our local medical centre, so these are very active members of the community. We all feel that much of our quality of life is being threatened by HS2 and the way that it is currently being proposed to run past our vicinity. We can already see the effect of this is starting to happen. We all have friends who have moved away in anticipation of this, and we can see long established shops in our High Street are starting to close because no one has any confidence in the business going forward, particularly during the construction phase. 4 10. I represent a group of petitioners who range in age from 16 to over 70. Many of us also have families that live with us, or locally in the local area in other houses, and we’re seeking your help to achieve the best mitigation we possibly can in relation to HS2. Wendover didn’t ask for HS2 and we appreciate we are making a big ask of you in relation to what we are seeking, but we think that is appropriate in the circumstances. What will be next if we don’t get a long tunnel? Is it going to be more urban housing development round Wendover? We know the pressure that the Aylesbury Vale is under in that respect. Are we going to get a motorway? It’s not difficult to suppose that in another 10 years or so planners will have forgotten what our landscape looks like pre-HS2. They’ll simply say that the best place to locate more infrastructure, more housing is along the course of the line as the path of least resistance. That sort of insidious creep has already happened in relation to Wendover. Some years ago we had our bypass built and were all very grateful for that, but what do we now find? We find the bypass being described as a transport corridor along which HS2 has chosen to put the path of HS2. I can see that happening again. I am very concerned about it, as are all my fellow petitioners. 11. We do recognise we’re not the worst affected members of our community. In some ways we’re lucky that we don’t live closer to the prospective line. As you can see from the map that has been shown, we all live between 400 and 550 metres from the line. We still believe, however, that it’s likely that our properties are going to suffer blight from this line, certainly during the construction phase. However, what none o f us have any doubt about is we are going to suffer blight in relation to our own lives going forward, compared to what life is like now. It seems incredible to us some five and a half years after HS2 was first announced that we still have the current proposals. If we could move onto the next slide please. 12. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: I f yo u’re going on about the line being built, please don’t, because we don’t have the power to do anything about that. 13. MR WILLIAMS: No, I’m not asking you to. I was just about to talk about what’s happening past us during the construction and the operational phase. 14. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: Okay. Carry on. 15. MR WILLIAMS: Part of my ask is not – 5 16. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: Carry on.