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The Irish Ancestral Research Association 2120 Commonwealth Ave. Auburndale, MA 02466-1909 Summer 2014 Volume 31, Number 2 The bride: Mary Josephine (Mollie) Roche was born 27 Jan 1903 in Creggane, Buttevant, Co. Cork, Ireland The groom: John Joseph Liston was born 4 Oct 1902 at Lissaniska, Newcastle West, Limerick, Ireland See more about Mary Roche and many more photos of weddings, families and individuals at American Cousins Project on the TIARA website (www.tiara.ie/americanCousins.php). President’s Message Greg Atkinson #1766 Down to the wire again writing the Presi- dent’s message. Not that there isn’t anything to say or share. There is plenty but life has a The Irish Ancestral Research Association way of filling up with those everyday things 2120 Commonwealth Avenue like work, grocery shopping, raking, laundry Auburndale, MA 02466-1909 and catching up with all those TIARA related www.tiara.ie emails. We are fortunate to live as we do Officers now. We genealogists come to learn this early Mary Choppa Greg Atkinson Co-Presidents on in our family research endeavors. We can Kathy Sullivan Vice President jet between continents in hours not months Susan Steele as some of our ancestors did. We get week- Pamela Holland Co-Recording Secretaries Gary Sutherland Corresponding Secretary ends and time off from our jobs, long week- ends too, (most jobs allow for this). Our an- Committee Chairs cestors in the mills or on the farm worked 6 - Margaret Sullivan Publicity Pat Deal Membership 7 days a week, never got vacations or the oc- Pat Landry Webmaster casional long weekend and were lucky to get Susan Steele Foresters a sixth grade education. It must have been Joan Callahan Library Eva Murphy Volunteers very difficult for them. We see this as we go through records. All those children who per- Dues: Calendar year membership is (U.S.) $25 per individual ished from fevers and fits. I had an ancestor & $35 per family. Newsletters sent as a PDF file via email. An additional $5/yr is charged to mail paper copies of the news- who lost his wife from TB, his young son in a letters. Canadian and overseas memberships are charged an train accident and later his daughter from a additional (US) $10/yr for paper copies of the newsletter. fever. All in less than ten years. He, it was Meetings: TIARA meets monthly except July & August said, was the ancestor who moved west and at locations throughout the New England area. was never heard from again. I think I found him in Woodland California, a train junction THE TIARA NEWSLETTER The TIARA newsletter is published quarterly and distributed not far from Sacramento and near gold rush to members in good standing. country. I’ll probably never know for sure but Editor Virginia Wright it is west of here and this guy appears to Assistant Editor Richard Wright have never returned. Submit all correspondence to the above address or email to [email protected]. So much to be grateful for, indeed. I am Copyright All material in this publication is protected by grateful as well for working with such a fine copyright. Permission must be obtained for use of any mate- group of people organizing the Celtic Connec- rial and credit given, including Title, Author, Volume, and Issue number. tions Conference 2014. It is really happening (Continued on page 39) ____________________________________________ In This Issue In this issue (continued) President's Message Page 26 TIARA Spring Activities Page 39 The Marriage of John Clancy and “Love and Marriage” Online Page 40 Alice Bryan Page 27 Book Review: An O’Sullivan Frustration and Elation Page 28 Genealogy Page 41 Irish Marriage Advice Page 31 Solving the Mysteries of The Search for the Missing Marriage Owen McNally Page 42 Certificate Page 31 Library Update Page 44 The Key to the Ancestral Home Page 32 Members’ Genealogical Irish A Long and Happy Marriage Page 33 Places of Interest Page 45 Irish Marriage Customs Page 34 Upcoming Meetings and Conferences Page 48 Dathi’s Bookshelf Page 35 26 The Marriage of John Clancy there either. and Alice Bryan I expanded my search and found their mar- Kathy Sullivan #3009 riage on September 12, 1899 in Queenstown, My great aunt, Alice (O'Brien/Bryan) Clancy, County Cork. The names, ages, conditions, was born in Inistioge, County Kilkenny, on and fathers' names in the marriage register May 1, 1872. She was the daughter of Mi- matched those of Alice and John. Since the chael and Ellen (Tobin) Bryan. I knew from ship left Liverpool on September 12, it ap- the ship's manifest that she emigrated from pears they were married by Fr. Thomas Queenstown (now Cobh) in September of Madigan just before boarding. Alice's name 1899 traveling to Boston with her future may have been listed as O'Brien on the husband, John Francis Clancy, on the S. S. manifest because the ticket was purchased Cephalonia. before she married. And it would explain why “O'Brien” had a line through it. Residence at Alice O'Brien and John Clancy are both time of marriage for both is listed as Harbour listed on the manifest, and although Row, which is in the area of the docks. “O'Brien” had been lightly crossed out, there was nothing else written in. Both listed their Queenstown is almost 90 miles from their last residence as Kilkenny,; and, while John home in Inistioge. Even if they had planned had $5 with him, Alice had $100! That was a to emigrate and the marriage was approved lot of money in 1899. Calculating for infla- by the families, I would have expected it to tion, that would be over $2,700 in today's be in the local parish. money. Alice had been in the United States in Boston, in 1898. According to the mani- Alice's mother had died earlier that year, and fest, they were going to her brother, Patrick most of Alice's siblings were grown. Her sis- O'Brien, at 140 Bennington Street, in East ter Mary had already married. Her brother Boston. Patrick and sister Johanna had both immi- grated to Boston and had married there. Although John and Alice had a large family, That left Edward, Kate, Nellie, William and and their first son Michael John was born on Michael. Her father may not have wanted her July 22, 1900, a mere 10 months after land- to leave, with five children still at home. ing in Boston, I was never able to locate a marriage record for them in Massachusetts. I Why they married in Cobh may never be had looked in Boston, where they first lived, clear, but it appears they eloped. From now then in Lynn, where they eventually settled. on, I'll take the possibility of elopement into When I was in Dublin last year I looked in account when looking for a marriage! Kilkenny, but there was no record marriage 27 Frustration and Elation same townland and several Kehoes and Geraldine M. Cox # 3054 Doyles in Donaghmore, all of which are sur- names of people who married into my Red- After two enjoyable but genealogically un- mond family in the early years in upstate successful trips to Dublin, I was quite dis- New York. couraged in my search for my Redmond an- cestors. One day in frustration I just googled Taken all together, the clues made it look my great grandfather’s name, Moses Red- very promising and I was eager to make an- mond. One of the first search results to pop other trip to Dublin to look up the parish re- up was a Civil War talk site where two people cords. With two friends from TIARA I planned were discussing Moses Redmond. As I fol- a trip for February of this year. However, lowed the chat, it became clear that they when I finally pored through the parish re- were talking about my Moses Redmond and cords, I could find neither evidence of a mar- his Civil War service. One of the participants riage for Nicholas and Catherine nor births then mentioned that he had a Redmond fam- for any of the six children of theirs that I ily tree posted on Ancestry.com. I was able to know of, or any other children of that couple. contact him and discovered that he was not It was most disappointing, especially since I himself a Redmond descendant but was had such high hopes that this would be the looking for information on Moses because he place. I don’t know what to think now, so I’ve was trying to see if the William Whelan who decided it will be best to put the Redmond was shown to be living with Moses’ family in research aside for a while. In time I can go the 1860 census could be part of his family back to it with fresh eyes, and perhaps new tree. information. He shared what information he had with me After spending several days in fruitless pur- and I gave him information on my Redmonds suit of the Redmonds, it was time to switch to add to his family tree. His Whelans had to “Plan B.” I had brought with me informa- come from the parish of Ballygarrett in North tion to follow up on some of my other Irish Wexford, near Gorey. He also had reason to lines. I’d been trying to locate a place in Ire- believe that many of the Irish who settled in land for my Carney family without much the area near Utica, NY where Moses and success.