LOKSABHA DEBATES
TENTH SERIES (VOL.V No. 44)
SEPTE~BER/12,1991
FIRST SESSION
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TENTH LOK SABHA
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT
NEW DELHI CONTENTS
[Tenth Series, Vol. V. First Session, 199JI1913 (&aka)]
No. 44, Thursday, September 12, 199118hadra 21, 1913 (Saka)
CoLUMNS
Oral Answers to Questions 1-30
Starred Question Nos. 79510 799
Written Answers to Questions 30-381
Starred Question Nos. 801 to 814 30-65
Unstarred Question Nos. 6789 to 6840, 65-381 6842 to 6925, 6927 to 6984, 69UAand 6984-B
Re. Progress Made in Pursuing the Investigation into the 381-413 Bofors- Matter after the Supreme Courts Judgement upholding the Validity of the F.I.R. Lodged byCBI
Papers Laid on the Table 413-416
: Messages from Rajya Sabha 416-419 i : Petition Re. Need for an Inquiry into the Functioning 419 ; of V.P. Chest Institute, OeIhi-Pt8Sented
Business Advisory Committee 419-420
Fifth Report-Adopted
Cancellation of General Elections in Punjab Bill
Motion to Introduce
Shri Rangarajan Kumaramangalam 422-423 439-441
Shri Lal K. Advanl 423-427
Shri George Fernandes 427-430 441-443
Shrl Gumsn Mal Lodha (II)
CoLUMNS
Shri Chandra Jeet Yadav 433-437
Shri Sharad Dighe 437-439
Shri Mohan Singh 444
Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques 454-455 (Regulation and Prevention of Misues) BiII- IntTOduced
Matters under Rule 377 455
(i) Need to take measures to cope with 455-456 growing activities of naxalites
Shri Vilas Muttemwar
(ii) Need to clear the project for 456-457 rehabilitation of victims of the practice of Devadasi
Shri C.P. Mudala Giriyappa
(iii) Need to clear irrigation projects 457 of Andhra Pradesh
Shri A. Pratap Sai
(iv) Need to set up Sugar mills at 457 Faridpur-ADnla and Vinawar-Dattagnaj, U.P.
Shri Rajveer Singh
(v) Need to complete the surveyed railway lines 458 in Andhra Pradesh urgently
Shri Dattatraya Bandaru
(vi) Need to construct a bridge on ManJhl-Bailia Road, 458-459 between U.P and Bihar
Shrimatl Girlja Devl
(vii) Need to provide Flnancial ..1atance to 459-480 Bak ....hwar and Kolaghat thermal power projects
Shri san. Kum. MMdai (iii)
CoLUMNS
(viii) Need to provide financial assistance to the 460-461 Government of Tamil Nadu for sinking giant borewells to solve the drinking water problem, particularly in North Arcot and Chengai Anna districts
Shri R. Jeevarathinam
(ix) Need to establish centrally sponsored medical 461 college, regional Engineering college or I.I.T. either at Goalpara or Dhubri in Assam
Shri Nurullslam
Finance (No.2) Bill 461·530 553·580
Motion to Consider
Shri Giridhari Lal Bhargava 467-474
Shri Murli Deara 474-493
Shri Tarit Baran Topdar 493-501
Shri Magunta Subbarama Reddy 501·510
Shri Roshan LaJ 510·517
Shri Bhogendra Jha 517-527
Shri R. Jeevarathinam 553-557
Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Vadde 558-563
Shri Guman Mal Lodha 563-567
Shri Mohan Singh 567-573
Shri Prithviraj D. Chavan 573-5n
Shri Ram Kapse 578·580
HaH-an-Hour Discussion 530-552 National Commission for Women
Shrimati Sus.. la GopaIan 530-636
Shri Sudhir Giri 536-538
Prof. Savithrl Lakshmanan 538-539 (iv)
CoLUMNS
Prof. Savithri Lakshmanan 538-539
Kumari Mamata Bane~ee 540-542 544-546
Shri Rangarajan Kumaramangalam 546-548 552
Shrimati Malini Bhattacharya 542-544
Shrimati Samj Dubey 550-551
Shrimati Vasundhara Raja 551-552 LOK SABHA DEBATES
LOKSABHA tion Flood-II project and to make an ap praisal of Third phaso of Operation Flood. The vi&ws contained in the reports submit ted by the consultants were not considered as representative of the official views of the Thursday, September 12, 1991IBhadra 21, financing institutions. The matter was, there 1913 (Salea) fore, not pursued. A further appraisal of the project was carried out in November!Oe camber, 1986 andMarchlApril,19870nthe basis of which operation Flood-III was cleared for funding by World BanklEEC. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock [ Translation]
[MR. SPEAKER in the Chait) SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: Mr Speaker, Sir, through you, I would like te ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS know from the hon.Minister of AgriculturE the recommendations made by the joint [ Translation] mission of European Economic Community and World Bank which were turned down Operation Flood·1I Programme earlier and accepted by the Government after a review in November, 1986. The detail *795. SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: of the recommendations made by European Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Economic Community and World Bank pleased to state: separately?
(a) whether the join mission, of the [English] European Economic Community and the World Bank had evaluated the work done SHRI K.C.lENKA: Sir. the Joint Com under Operation Flood-II Programme; mission which reviewed the progress of Operation Flood II in July-August, 1!l86 (b) if so, the recommendations made by suggested certain things. Those sugges the said mission; and tions were not considored appropriate by the Government for taking action because the (c) the follow up action taken/proposed EC and the World Bank informed that the to be taken by the Government thereon? suggestions given by the consultants were not the official view of the World Bank and [English) the EC. nley told that they had not reviewed Operatjon Flood II or they had not revised Operation Flood II as a whole. They sug THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE gested certain recol'"lmendations in certain MINISTRY OF AGRIGUL TURE (SHRI K.C. areas where certain weaknesses were found LENKA): (a) to (c). A joint mission of consult in Operation Flood programme. Those sug ants appointed by the European Economic gestion have been takan care of while the Community (EEC) and World Bank visited appraisal was made for starting operation India in July-August, 1986 to review opera- Flood-III. 3 Ora/Ans.,. SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Oral An,.,. 4
[ Ttarislation) SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO VADDE: Slr,ln view of the Importance of the SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: Mr. Operation Flood programme, which Is aimed Speaker, Sir, second1y, I woulclilke to know at Increasing the total milk production as the impact of this scheme, Hthe policy of de roqulred by the Increasing population and at licensing is adopted? the same time improving the Incomes of the rural people, especially the 'small farmers [English] and agricultural labours, will the Govern ment take immediate steps to implement the SHRI K.C. LENKA: Sir, the review re Operation Flood III programme in Andhra port, submitted by three joint commissions, Pradesh. The State of Andhra Pradesh has commended the performance of the Opera already taken up the Anand Pattern in a tion Flood. They suggested that the Anand good spirit. I would also like to know will the pattern type, which they have implemented Government take Immediate steps also to through Operation Rood, have great impact improve the milk yield of the milched cattles all over the State, especially in the rural in certain areas like Assam, Madhya Pradesh, • areas. The whole object of the Operation etc. Where the yield is very very less. Though, Flood is to strengthen the marketing and the Government says it has a programme in processing position of rural cooperatives so this regard but it is not making good prog as to produce more milk. ress.
[ Transiatlon] The Minister has just how said that because of delicensing some companies will SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: Mr. come up to produce mile products, which Speaker, Sir, I want to know the impact of the will give more profit to them, rather than to delicensing as well as of the policy of allow collect and distribute milk to the people in ing other persons to come Into the field on urban areas and also in rural areas who are this project. How will the Government be in need of it. So, will the Government take able to counter this impact? Instead of reply care of this particular aspect and see that ing to my questions the hon.Minister is giving these companies do not come to rural areas detail 01 the evaluation of the various as to help the rural people and in turn end up by peds of this scheme. earning profit out of it. I would also like to know whether the Government will think [English] seriously about it and will take adequate steps to see that such things do not take SHRI. K.C. LENKA: Sir, I think the hon. place. Member wants to know whether the de licensing of milk products will have an impact SHRI K.C. LENKA: Sir, Operation Flood on the cooperatives or not. Government has Stage-Ill is already in operation. In our coun taken a conscious decision to delicense the try, in twenty two States, including Andhra milk products. Sir, keeping in view that more Pradesh, this programme is under opera private persons will come to the field and tion. invest their money in the rural areas, more investment will be made in the Dairy Sector The hon. Member has an apprehension which will augment the dairy products in the that the private persons or the multi-nation country. It will give an impetus to the rural als who are interested in having the milk hrmers to produce more milk and thus it will products industry in the country, may exploit net affect cooperatives as it is. But,it is true the farmers, who are engaged in the pro that after delicensing the Dairy Cooperatives curement of milk in the co-operative sector. have complained that it will hamper the performance of the cooperatives and the Sir, this matter has already been exam Department is looking into this matter. ined and precautions will be taken to see 5 BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Oral An.well 6 that the.. farmera and the Iandlal8 Iabour ment is aware that the EEC and the World era who are engaged in milk production in Bank are adlflslng other countriaslike Nig. the rural araas are not exploited. ria and China to adopt the operation Flood as a model scheme, impressed by the rll SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Sir, IUIts of the programme? Why does the may I know from the hen. Minister whether Government intend to caule harm to the the Operation Flood Stage-Ill has already Operation Flood programme which is run started? If so, when has It started? What Is ning sUCC8ssfuliy In the country by delicen the level of investment by the World Bank, sing the dairy Industry? If the Operation etc? I would also like to know whether all the Flood has not proved beneficial will the Gov States have been covered In this programme. emment withdraw it?
Orissa, has rich potential in this dairy A few han. Member met the hon.Minister development. A lot of development had taken of Finance. The hon.Minister stated that the place. I would like know what is the position Government wants to end the monopoly in of Orissa in the Operation Flood Stage-III milk sector whereas he should have men programme? tioned that the cooperative sector will be en couraged. Will this measure of the Govern SHRI K.C. LENKA: Sir, the Operation ment not render 70 lakh farmers engaged in Flood Stage-III was started in 1987. With the dairying, unemployed and aggeravate fur financial assistance of $ 360 million from the ther the unemployment problem,? Will chil World Bank and a gift of 76,000 M. T. of dren not suffer for lack of availability of milk? skimmed milk powder and 25,000 M.T. of Will the Government's stand be made clear butter oil by the EEC, the whole Operation by the han. Minister on these issues? Flood Stage-III programme costs Rs. 915 crore. This Operation Flood Stage-III has [English] shown good results in specified ares but in the Eastern part of the country and particu SHRI K.C lENKA; After the delicensing larly in the North-Eastern Region, it has not policy was declared, a lot ot multinationals shown satisfactory results. The operation and private industrialists have shown their Flood has started in those States which are interest to come to this field. I can assure the advanced in the traditional milk production, House that this delicensing policy will not such as Gujarat, Maharashtra and now It hamper the progress made by the coopera has started in Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and tive sector. Of course, the cooperative sec Rajasthan. tor have submitted a memorandum to the Government that due to this delicensing So far as Orissa is concerned, this State policy, milk flow will dry up in the market is very much neglected. The progress in because th~ Industrialists will try to procure Orissa and other Eastern States is not satis milk from th~ producers. Naturally the pro factory. ducers will give milk to those who will give them the remunerative price. So, there will The NDDB has advised that intheStage be a competition. But, in no way, the pro m period, all the backward State including ducer will be hampered; they will rather get Orissa which have not shown any satisfac more price. But we have to see that the tory results should be given priority. cooperative sector will not suffer and it should not be hampered b'f this delicensing policy. [ Translation] SHRITARA SINGH: Seeing thefiuctu SHRIMATI SAROJ DUBEY: Mr. ating prices of this milk, is he prepared to Speaker, Sir, the han. Minister ha$ high give the support price to the milk produc lighted the achievementa of Operation Flood. ers? Now the ~osition is that in Haryana I would like to know whether the Govern- wheat flour is sold at Rs. 5 per kilo and the 7 Oral AnsW813 SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Oral Ans.,. 8 mlk is sold at As. 4 per kilo. Kisan is suffer grated steel plants to produce steel for ing. which substantial investments have been made, It has been decided to create fresh SHRI K.C. LENKA: We are givil'lg the capacity for manufacture of pig Iron in the remunerative price today. The Deihl Milk seoondary sector. There has been encour Scheme and the Mother Dairy are supplying aging respansefrom the entrepreneurs who mik to the oonsumers at the subsidised rate. are examining the feasibility of setting up of The Delhi Milk Scheme is providing milk to pig iron manufacturing in different parts of the consumers at As. 5 per kRo whereas the the country, including the States of Madhya cost of production of this milk is more than Pradesh and MaI"Iarashtra. A few of them As. 6 per kilo. have firmed up their project proposals and initiated steps for their implementation. [TnL'1s1ation)
Pig Iron Plant. In MIIharashtra and [ Translation] Madhya Pradesh SHRI VILASRAO NAGNATHRAO ?96. SHRIVILASRAONAGNATHRAO GUNDEWAR: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. GUNDEWAR: Wi"the Minister of STEEL be Minister has replied that there is no plant for pleased to stale: exclusive production of pig iron. I would like to know whether the,. is any proposal to set (a) the number of pig iron plants In up such a plant in Maharashtra or in my Maharashtra and Madhya pradesh; constituency, Hingoli, to produce pig iron for producing steel? (b) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Union Government for [English] setting up of some more such plants in the PublicJPrivale Seeler in the above States; and SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: As I said In my answer, there is no such plant in (c) if so, the details thereof? the public sector. But there is one application which is being cleared by lOBI of MIs Usha Ispat Ud., Village Redi, District Sindhudurg; it is In Maharashtra. There are other aspi rants who are trying for it. There is one in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Nagpur-Mis Nagpur Alloy Castings limited; it MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH Is in District Nagpur in Maharashtra. This is MOHAN DEY): (a) to (c). A Statement is laid an area which the hon. Members has men on the table of the House. tioned. There is another prospective party who wants to do it- MIs Trimbak Steel Ltd; it STATEMENT is in Aronda District, Sindhudurg, Maharash tra.
(a) There is no plant for exclusive [Translation] production of pig iron in Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. The Bhilai Steel Plant of SHRI VILASRAO NAGANTHRAO Steel Authority of India Ltd, however pro GUNDEWAR: Have some persons submit duce Pig Iron as part of its product-mix. ted proposals for setting up plants and if so, Government attitude towards them? If sev (b) and (c). Production of Pig Iron has eral oompanies have submitted such pr0- 80 far been largely confined to Public Sector posals then what is the intention of the Gov Steel Plants. With a view to enabling inte- ernment? 9 Oral Answers BHAoRA 21.1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10
[Eng/ish) would like to know the target of production of pig iron in the country and the proposed SHRI SONTOSH MAHAN oEV: For capacity expansion target? Maharashtra. there is no other application. There are other applications from other parts [English] of the country numbering five. Applications have already been submitted; they are un SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN oEV: At der consideration of the lOBI. There are present we are producing roughly 14 million entrepreneurs who are trying to start it in tonnes and the demand is 16 million tonnes other parts of the country. and our production by 2000 AD will be 28 million tonnes. Enough iron are is available SHRI ANKUSHRAO RAOSAHEB in the country and the hon.Member is very TOPE: What are the names of these entre much right that we are exporting iron are and preneurs who have submitted their propos we are not undertaking production within the als and which are the State and the sites country. We ar(-. producing more value added selected by these entrepreneurs? items so tha: VIe can earn more. At present the Governr.~ent policy is to increase the SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN oEV: There value added items and we are shaping our is a long list. If I read it, it will take a ling time. policy in the! direction and that is why de I shall lay it on the table of the House. licensing has been done so that more pri vate sector steefplants come up. Orissa is SHRI ANKUSHRAO RAOSAHEB having one, Karnataka is having two and TOPE: What is the number? there are other applicants coming up and I am sure that the aspirations of the han. SURI SONTOSH MOHAN oEV: As I Members will be fulfilled in the next four to said, five loans have already been sanc five years. tioned by the lOBI. five are already under the process of sanction and seventeen more SHRI ARVINo NETAM: I want to know are interested to set uP. but they are in the from the hon. Minister whether the Govern process of clearance by the authorities. ment have issued licences for pig iron plants in Bastar District in Madhya Pradesh, and'if MR. SPEAKER: Shri Satya Narayan so, the details. Jatiya. SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN oEV: As I SHRI RAM NAIK: This question relates said, in 1986 pig iron production has been to Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. Other de!icensea. So, there is no question of giving States may not be interested. We will come any licence to anybody to produce pig Iron. to know some things. Only the bank finance and other things are available for which they come and from the SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN oEV: I have list which is with me. I do not see anythings already given the reply. in Baster. Anyhow, I will again check up and send the information to the hon. Mambar. [ Translation] [ Translation] SHRI SATYNARA VAN JATIYA: Mr. Speaker, Sir. as you are aware the good DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA: Mr. quality iron found in Madhya Pradesh is Speaker, Sir. the hon. Minister !las stated being exported to foreign nations at very low that the proposals have been submitted to prices. h would be beneficial if such a plant set up such plants in Madhya Pradesh and is set up in the country. It would meet domes those are being scrutinised. I would like to tic requirements and we will be able to even know when were the proposals submitted to export to other nations. Through you, I the Government and by what time a decision 11 Oral Ans.IS SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Ora' An,.IS 12
Is likely to be taken on them. so that the Iron SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DAV. Sir, ore of Madhya Pradesh at present being the hon. Membar is trying to do inJultice to exported to Japan. is put to use in Madhya our Department. We have a Task Foroe. And Pradesh, by setting up plants there. Will the this Task Force has identified certain areas. hon. Minister make the position clear? Also we have invited some foreign collabo· rators so that small blast furnace can also be [English) dona. One of tha necessities Is merchant coke. Only one factory in West Bengal is SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV: There producing that. No other plant is producing Is still some confusion. There is no restriction that. Either you have to import it or you have from the Steel Ministry because the pig iron to depend on West Bengal. [Whatever Wast production was de-licensed in 1986. We are Bengal is producing, 77,OOOtonnel, that is only there to help and in Madhya Pradesh, being taken by your State, Orissa.) So, we MIs. MBF Ispat Limited, and MIs. BEC have taken up the responsibility as a nodal Sponge Iron Limited are there. The first one Ministry and we are taking various steps. Is at Borai Industrial Growth Cantre and the There are various collaborations. I have got a second one at Raipur. There is also an list with me here. Various foreign technolo other, SM Oyechem limited in Bastar, Madhya gies have been approved. Various Indian Pradesh. That is one project. These are the parties have been indentified for production projects and from our side there is no diffi of pig-iron through small blast furnace. Seven culty. We are only to help them to give them of such collaborations are under study. We feed-back and when they go to lOBI we also ara not sitting idle. We will keep your request give the feed-back, feasibility and other in mind. things. As regards finance, the Steel Ministry We are also interested to help because never gives finance. Nationalised banks are there Is a gap of 4.7 lakh tonnes of pig iron in financing them. lOBI is also a Government the country, and this is an employment-ori Bank. You cannot say that the Government ented industry and it also helps the other of India is not financing. We are giving industries like the cottage industries and the finance. sman seale industries. The Government is very willing that this gap should be covered SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: and there is a trend in the world and in mod Sir, it is quite possible that the Department ernised countries also to stop pig iron pro is not sitting idle. It could be thatthey are now duction and they are also trying to import pig golfing their way. In the past also, there was iron. If we increase our production, we will a role for the Centre. What we are afraid be able to give jobs to many unemployed from the past is that using the licensing persons and we will be able to sent it outside mechanism, in certain cases, those who also. We have got total interest in it and any wanted to establish enterprises in certain State which is coming we are trying to help. areas of India were discouraged. Here h. says: 'There is no licensing. Anybody can SHRI SHRIKANTA JENA: Sir, after come. The Centre has a role. Assistance hearing the Minister's statement I feel that from lOBI and others are given.' Now to what the Government of India is only a consulta extent, that assistance discretionary? There tive agency and the private entrepreneurs are laid down guidelines that under such go to lOBI and other financial institutions to conditions the lOBI assistance will be granted geUhe money and they go in for production and under such conditions the lOBI assis of pig-iron and steel. May I know from the tance will not be granted. hen. Minister as to what exactly the respon sibility of the Government of India in the in Part B of my qUBstion is thit. Ware' vestment sector and in the production of pig ther., up-till now, any MRTP companies iron and 1t.. 1? involved in applications? 13 Oral Answe,. BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Oral Answe,. 14
SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: As far (a) the number of the Central Reserve as I know, there is no MRTP applications. I Police Force Battalions in Maharashtra; am not quite sure about that and if there is anyone, I will let the han. Members know. (b) whether any Central Assistance is being provided to Maharashtra forthe main The Member has said that delicensing tenance of law and order in the State; and will discourage the entrepreneurs to go to the backward areas. It is the responsibility of (c) if so, the details of such assistance the respective State Government to declare provided to the State during each of the last special incentives for the entrepreneurs to three years? go to the backward areas such as giving land at a very nominal rent, or a long term THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE lease, giving exemption is sales tax and MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFIRS such other facilites. When many Chief min AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS isters met me, I discussed this. Many States TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. have agreed to give such concessions so JACOB): {a) to (c). No CRPF Bn. is presently that more titles go. I can tell the han. Member deployed in Maharashtra. Para-military forces that now people are willing to go to West are provided to the extent possible when Bengal and North Eastern States because ever requested by the State Government. various incentives have been given there but no Central assistance is given for main and they are goil,g now. It all depends on the tenance of law & order. initiative of the administration as to how fast they clear the applications. I know that in one [ Trans/ation] State application is pending for twelve years and nothing has been done. Naturally entre SHR MOHAN RAWLE: Mr. Speaker, preneurs will not go there. In another State. Sir. I would like to know from the hon. Minis Gujarat. where clearance of application is ter the number of revolvers asked for by given within one to two months and the Maharashtra Government with a view to people are willing to go there and start. It is supply these revolvers to their all Police the responsibility of the State Government. officers and the number of revolvers sup plied by Central Government against this We, on our part. are also trying to en request? Has Maharashtra Government also courage the industrialists to go to the back made a request for supply of high speed cars ward ares and that process will continue. and if so. by what time these cars will be made available to Maharashtra Government? As you have said about golfing. here also I part as I part in the golfing. [Eng/ish]
Central AssIstance for Maintenance of THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Law and Order In Maharashtra (SHRI S.B.CHAVAN): Sir, this question is about the maintenance of law and order and -797. SHRI MOHAN RAWLE: Will the the Central Government. If the han. Member Minister of HOME AFFIRS be pleased to WEants. I will be able to give the entire infor state: mation. The informaion is like this: 15 Oral Answers SEPTEMBER 12.1991 Oral Answers 16
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SHRI MOHAN RAWlE: Mr. Speaker, SHRI RAM NAIK: Sir, in the reply it has Sir, how many persons have been killed in been said that no central assistance is given Bombay in gang rivalry? At the same time, for maintenance of law and order. Does the I would like to know the number of innocent Government by this mean cash assistance? people killed there. H the Maharashtra Government comes to you by way of an application that we want [English] such and such armament are you referring to case assistance or any assistance in kind MR, SPEAKER: This is not allowed. for which they are ready to pay? So, even You can ask that in Maharashtra Assembly. for that you are not ready to help the Mahar ashtra Government. That is what I want to [ Translation] ask.
SHRI DATTA MAGHE: Mr. Speaker, SHRI M.M. JACOB: Sir, actually for Sir, the hon. Minister has just now informed modernisation of the police force, the Ma that Maharashtra has been provided with harashtra Government did send proposals this much of weapons, but my submission is and the Central Government has given thatthe Maharashtra Government has asked assistance of As. 86.95 lakhs in 1988-89, for more weapons but the Central Govern· As.54.93 lakhs in 1989-90 and As.75.28 ment has supplied them far less than the lakh in 1990-91 for the modernisation of the demand. I would like to say that there are police force. This is given on loan basis. several criminal gangs operating in the State and they are equipped with latest arms and The other question that the hon. Mem that is why military is sometimes called to ber has asked, does not arise out of this nab them, especially in Bombay. Therefore, question. BtAt at the moment there is nothing will the han. Minister be pleased to state the pending. quantum of weapons demanded by the Maharashtra Government and the reasons SHRI ANKUSHRAO RAOSAHEB for not supplying th required weapons to TOPE: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to know them especially when the expenditure on how many times request has been made by this account was to be borne by the Mahar· the State Government and how many times ashtra Government themselves? para-military forces have been provided by the Central Government up-till now. [English] SHRI M.M. JACOB; Sir, para-military SHRI M.M. JACOB: Sir, the question is forces are being requested only for the about the CRPF. As regards this particular specific use by the Maharashtra Govern information, I want a notice. ment. There is a long list showing when these forces were provided ••• (Interruptions). SHRI MURLI DEORA: Sir, thousands of weapons are available In Bombay, Mahar· MR. SPEAKER: Statistics can be sent ashtra and all over the country. Has the in writing. Government made any policy or are there any criterion which they would like to direct SHRI RAM KAPSE: Sir, it was told by or guide the States thatthese are the criteria the Minister that assistance for modernisa fro giving the licence? is the Government tionn was given during the last three years. doing something to stop these unlicensed I would like to know what was the demand weapons? from the Maharashtra Government and what was the percentage of the assistance given MR. SPEAKER: This is within the juris- for modernisation. 19 Oral Ans"ns SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Oral AnS"ns 20 , SHRI M.M. JACOB: Sir, confusion may period substantially for larger towns by not come if the reply is understood in 1995. another aspect. The assistance Is arrived at after discussion. After all, this is given on the SHRI K. PRADHANI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, basis of the amount that the Maharashtra the waiting list In Orissa, specially In tribal Government is able to raise from their own areas Is almost nil. The reason behind this is side ... (intsmJPtions). that the open wire system in tribal areas and forest areas is not working properly because SHRI RAM KAPSE: Sir, my question is heavy electric lines passing from various whether they have accepted all the propos hydel projects, intercept these lines. Sec als or curtailed them. ondly, in Jungle and forest areas, the thieves take away these lines and sell them away SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Sir, the assls and it becomes very difficult for the Tele tancefor modernisation has to be given to all phone Department to repair them. In view of the States and it depends upon the availabil this, the Government of India have decided Ity of funds with the respective State Gov since long to switch over to the microwave ernments also because they have to make system. They have started the work but it is matching contributions. It is quite possible not completed. May I know from the hon. that some of the States must have got more. Minister by what time they are going to Some ofthe States, because they could not complete this microWave system in the raise the resources, could not get the same. district? So, we have to see that there is balance craated amongst all the States so that their THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE requirements can be fully mat. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PilOT): Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is af&et New Telephone Connections that in some of the areas in the country, speciaily the tribal areas and the backward *798. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the areas, we have not been able to reach the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased connectivity targets. We have taken a deci to state: sion, as I have said in the previous question, that in each Panchayat we are trying to (a) the gap between the demand and connect on RG and WG. This is the one supply of new telephone connections In the easiest possible technique available with country particularly in OrIssa; and us where wecan connect a panchayat to the Tehsll headquarters or to the nearest place (b) the time by which the gap is likely to where STD is available. So, this Is under befHled up? consideration. The mlcrowave.ystem is also being planned. I would give further details of the system to the hon. Member. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICAIONS (SHRI SHRI K. PRADHANI: Sir, they have P.V. RANGAYVA NAIDU): (a) As on Installed some telephones on this micro 31.7.1991, the gap between demand and wave system In various post offices such as supply for new telephone connections (re P.V.Os. As the transmission towers are very flected as "Walling List") in the country is low. the engineers say thld the telephones 12.691akha and forOri888, Ills 5581. era not working properly. May I know from the hon. Minister whether the Government (b) The draft plan propo.... for the wi" take up this matter and improve the period 1990-95 .nvisage eliminating this facility? - gap for rural, backward and tribal -areas 81 alto areas served by.xchang.. of I•• than SHRI RAJESH PILOT: We have taken 5000 line size and reducing the waiting up this matter. Wherwer connectivity Is 21 Oral An,w." BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Oral An,wel5 22 given, It must be given functional. There Is more, It Is our endeavour to .ee that the no us. of putting an Instrument there and waiting list is cleared in next two to three saying that the Panchayat Is connected or years. thl area Is connected. We are looking into the ..rvlceability and also Improvement. [Eng/ish] We are getting reports that there are sub stantial Improvements. It Is a continuous SHRI RAO RAM SINGH: I would like to process. We are working on It. I assure the ask the hon. Minister about one thing. Just hon. Members that we are also of the similar now he has mentioned that there Is aacheme flelings and we are working on this. for providing public call office. in all the villages panchayats and the radio telephone [ Translation] Instruments are being provided In the village panchayats. What exactly is this scheme? Is SHRI HARIN PATHAK: As the hon. It an experimental scheme or has it been Minister has informed. there are 6 to 7 big approved? Because the villages are com industrial cities In the country. Even in those plaining that they are not able to operate industrial cities there is a waiting list for 3 to these radio telephones and P.C.Os. very 4 years. These industrial cities are tho.. satisfactorily. who are doing their business inside and outside the country and are contributing to SHRI RAJESH PILOT: Sir. it is a tested the economy of the whole nation. I would like scheme and it has proved very functional in to know from the hon. Minister the time by most of the places where the connectivity which the waiting lists of big cities like was there. From some ofthe districts in Uttar Calcutta, Bombay, Ahmedabad, Deihl, Pradesh. Karnataka. Kerala and Assam good Madras would be cleared? reports have come. As I mentioned In one of the meetings, villagers said that if nothing SHRI RAJESH PILOT: Hwe go through works In this function, at least the instrument the tre'1d, WI will find that the waiting list has of C-DOTtechniquels working. Even though Increased from 8.43 lakh In 1985 to 21 lakh it Is not kept in a very careful condition, yet this year. Out of this. 2.711akh connections still It is working very satisfactorily. Afterthat were released earlier. but now this figure we took a decision that we will try to connect has reached 5 point something. Not that the all the gram panchayats of the country by number of connections released is not In March, 1995. If the hon. Member has any creasing, but the demand is also increasing, specific C88I where the system is not func and our growth '* not keeping pace with the tional because of the technical problem or Increasing demand. Earlier too, while reply any other problem, I can look lrito that Ing to the supplementary question, I had told particular C881. We have received reports that we were paying attention to the produe> and Inputs from other parts of the country. tlon and were also capitalizing on the new But if any han. Member has any suggestion Industrial policy fully. Thus, we are raising to improve the system of its functioning in the production In the communication 8Iclor any gram panchayat, the Government will also. Tifl date our production capacily '* welcome it and improve upon it. approximately 20 to 22lakh but we are able to produce only 10 to 11 Iakh, our production SHRI CHETAN P.S, CHAUHAN: It is ia not commensurate to our capacity. Th. very nice that the Minister has said that 21 Govemment has taken certain m... u .... ln ~t"phoneconnectionshavebeengiven this direction and we want that the supply In metropolitan cities and bigger towns. I should match the demand. We hope that by would like to know from the hon. Minister, the year 1995, the gap between demand and through you, whether any percentage has IUpp\y w", be neutral\aed \n reg\ona whlch been tlxed tor the blg towns and the smalt ha.,. exchange. of 5000 Ones. As regards" towns and the villages for providing tele the big exchange. with ten thouaand Ines or phone connection any percentage has been 23 Oral Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Oral Answers 24
fixed like 80:20 or 60:40 and so on. (b) The Government has fixed the minimum support prices for the basic varie SHRI RAJESH PILOT: Sir, the idea is to ties of cotton namely F-4141H-7n and H-4 connect tho whole country and efforts are at Rs. 695 and Rs. 840 per quintal respec towards that direction. Now, it is demand tively. This shows an increase in prices over cum-supply thing in both the sectors. We those for 1990-91 cotton season by Rs. 75 cannot say, 'It is all right, we will give so much and Rs. 90 per quintal respectively. for rural areas and so much for urban areas'. It depend upon where the demand is. Maybe (c) No, Sir. in one ofthe urban areas we have very less demand and in the rural areas more de (d) and (e) Do not arise. mand. It is totally a serving Departm6nt, and we go with the intention of where we can SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA serve and give connectivity for efficient NAN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you I want to communication through telephone connec know this from the hon. Minister. As you also tion. come from Maharashtra, you know the answer. They are evading the answer by Cotton Production saying that 'it is too early to indicate esti mated production of cotton during 1991-92 ·799. SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JAN season.' But in the same para they are ARTHANAN: Will the Minister of AGRICUL saying •.. TURE be pleased to state: MR. SPEAKER: No, no. You don't to (a) the estimated production of Cotton read the reply please. You come to the during 1.991-92 season; question.
(b) the porposed increase in support SHRIM.R.KADAMBURJANARTHANA: price of unginned cotton for 1991-92 sea Mr. Speaker, Sir, because there is contrast son; in the answer, I have to tell that. Then only I can ask the question. (c) whether there is any scarcity of cot ton in the country; MR. SEAKER: No, no. You don't have to repeat by reading. (d) if so, the reasons therefor; and SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA (e) the steps taken by the Government NAN: Because there is a contrast in the to overcome this shortage? answer. [/nte"uptions).
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER: You are taking the time MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI of the other Members. MULLA~PALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): (a) Sowing of cotton crop of 1991-92 season is [/ntenvptions) still in progress in some of the States. It is too early to indicate estimated production of SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA cotton during 1991-92 season. However, NAN: Sir, recently the Cotton Advisory Board rainfall and weather conditions during the just 10 days back have announced in the current season in major cotton growing States papers about a cotton exhibition of 130 lak'h have generally been favourable. According bales. But in the Agriculture Ministry they are to_,_the present indications, production of cotton saying, it is not there. Therefore, from this \ during 1991-92 is expected to be higher by answer I come to know that there is no 12-161akh bales than the last year's produc contact between the Cotton Advisory Board tion of 100 lakh bales. and the Agriculture Board. Therefore, keep- 25 Oral AnsW81S BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS 26 ing the welfare of the cotton growers in view, cutting experiment'. According to our Minis I want to know from the Minister whether the try, that is the most scientific method be Agriculture Ministry will for a Cotton Devel cause that is based on statistical sampling opment Board comprising of cotton growers, and the third method is 'satellite imagery handloom sectors and powerloom sectors interpretation'. It was assured by the hon. and bureaucrats from Agriculture and Tex Minister of Textiles of the previous Govem tile Ministries so that since that cotton is ment on the floor of the House that he would going to move within one month, in October, explore the possibility of introducing that Agriculture Ministry will be not facing such a system to assess the crop. As per the latest confusing state about the constitution of the information, this experiment had already been Board which it will announce in September. carried out in the States of Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and GuJarat. The result is Part (b) of my Supplementary is this. not satisfactory because of variations in The previous Ministry has given a proposal climate. If the atmosphere is cloudy, then we to estimate the crop through satellite meth do not get the real picture of the crop avail ods. Is this Ministry aware of that and will it able in the field and if there is a mixed crop, come forward to estimate the crop through then also the assessment will not be corroct. the model satellite method? The next part of Even in advanced countries like USA, this my Supplementary is ••• system is not adopted because it has not yielded good results. So, we will examine the MR. SPEAKER: No, no. Not like this. suggestion given by the hon. Member and if You are unconnected and all that. possible we will introduce it throughout the country. SHRI MULLAPALL Y RAMACHAN~ DRAN: About the estimates of cotton pro SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA duction by the Ministry of Agriculture, the NAN: Sir, the Ministry has given the support Cotton Advisory Board also prepares esti price as Rs. 695/- and Rs.840/-, but the mate of production which is based on the market price is between Rs. 1,200/-and information supplied by the industry and Rs.1,600/-. From the cotton, oil is extracted trade. and the fibre is used in the industry. there fore, the farmers should know the oil content The estimates of cotton production of of their cotton and the microneir value of the the Cotton Adviory Board are usually higher fibre. Then only they can know the real value than the official estimates prepared by the of their cotton and they can demand their Ministry of Agriculture. The Ministry of Agri due price in the market. Therefore, I would culture gets the information from the con like to know from the han. Minister whether cerned State Government and State Gov the ICAR will come forward to tell the farm ernments are in fact making assessments. ers the oil percentage in the cotton seed and The officers from the Sample Survey Or mlcroneir value in the beginning of the sea ganisation are going to the respective State. son itself. The second part of my second and they are making their own study and supplementary Is about the scarcity of cot report back to the Ministry of Agriculture. So, ton. the information given by the CAB is purely based on the information given by the indus MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Janarthanan, You try as well as the trade. That information have to ask the question. You aretaklngtoo would mainly depend on the market arrival of much time of the House. the cotton. SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA Then, about the assessment, two or NAN: Sir, after 1954, there is scarcity of three measures are adopted by the Ministry. cotton only this year. But he has told that The old method is the method of -eye esti there is no scarcity. Due to the indiscriminate mates' and the second method is the 'crop export policy adopted by the previous Gov- 27 Oral Answets SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Oral Answets 28 emment, there is a great demand for cotton around 100 lakh bales during 1990-91. During and the carry over position is only 15 lakh 1991-92, we expect a bumber crop of all bales which is contrary to previous seasons. time record. Therefore, the apprehension in Due to this, there is a demand for import of the mind of the hon. Member is out of place. cotton. Therefore, will the Ministry stop [Interruptions] importing of cotton at this stage in the interest of the farmers? Otherwise, it will While fixing the support price, we never affect the farmers as the crop is going to take into account the factors which have move in the month of October. been mentioned by the hon. Member. Of course, his suggestion has been taken note Then, the support price is called as of. While formulating some other policy, if 'puppet price' in the market. The gap be there is any change in the policy, definitely tween the support price and the market price his suggestion will be taken into account. should not be very high. So, I want to know from the hon. Minister whether the Govern SHRI K.P. REDDAIAH YADAV: During ment will fix the support price at a reasonable 1990-91, we have earned Rs. 891 crores of level. foreign exchange by exporting cotton. For the export of industrial products, you have SHRI MULLAPALL Y RAMACHAN given so many incentives. I would like to DRAN: The Government of India fixes the know whether the hon. Minister will consider support price after getting recommendations to give incetives to those who are producing from the Commission of Agricultural Costs export quality cotton. and Prices and while deciding the price, we will take into account several factors. SHRI MUlLAPPALL Y RAMACHAN DRAN: At the moment, we have no proposal One is to ensure remunerative price to to give them such things. the growers; second is to stabilise the mar ket. Third is, of course, with regard to cotton [ Translation] export. This element is very important be cause without export, the farmers will be at the mercy of the unscrupulous traders. From KUMARI UMA BHARTI: Mr. Speaker, our Ministry, we have decided to promote Sir, the figures of this year's cotton-produc export to the maximum extent. But the ap tion indicate that as compared to the last prehension in the mind of the hon. Member year, the production of cotton has decreased. is not correct. Through you, I would like to know from the hon. Minister whether he would look into the SHRI M.R. KADAMBUR JANARTHA reasons for it end take some remedial meas NAN: Are you going to import cotton or not? ures?
SHRI MULLAPPAL Y RAMACHAN [English] DRAN: We are not going to import cotton because there is no scarcity in the market at SHRI MULLAPPAL Y RAMACHAN all. There is no question of importing cotton DRAN: The official estimate of production of this year. cotton during 1990-91 is yet to be proc essed. However, according to the present About the demand and supply, I come to the estimate, the production is expected to be supply. Including an opening stock of 30.79 around 100 lakh bales despite fall in produc Iakh bales and crop of 115 lakh bales, the tion in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Rajast total availabilhy and supply of cotton is esti han on account of major pest incidence. mated by the Cotton Advisory Board at 147.79 There is no marked decrease as such. lakh bales. According to the information There is no need for apprehension so far as available with my Ministry, Production is the hon. Memeber is concerned. 29 Written Answets BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answets 30
KUMARI UMA BHARATI:There is likely ister how many bales of this variety the to be shortfall in the cotton production. That Government of India exported last year. is what is mentioned in the annual report of your Ministry. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHAN DRAN: We are not concerned with the Cot SHRI MULLAPPAL Y RAMACHAN ton Corporation of India. It is under the DRAN: There is very slightfall in the produc Ministry of Textiles. It is the look out of that tion. But it will not affect the market; it will no Ministry. affect the farmers also.
[Trans/ation] WRITIEN ANSWERS TO QESTIONS
SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI: Mr. Chair [English] man, Sir, will the hon. Minister be pleased to tell whether it is a fact that the demand for Local Call facility in Deihl cotton-clothes has again increased inside and outside India during the last five years ·801. DR. C. SILVERA: Will the Minis and. as a result thereof, area under cotton ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to cultivation which had decreased following a state: slump in demand for cotton and cotton clothes has again gone up? May I know the (a). whether the MahanagarTelephone measures being taken by the Governmentto Nigam Ltd., Delhi has provided free local call encourage cotton cultivation and increase facility at some places in Delhi recently; area under cotton cultivation? (b) if so, the details thereof; and [Eng/ish] (c) the steps taken to ensure that the SHRI MULLAPPAL Y RAMACHAN fa~ility is not misused: DRAN: Sir, under the Intensive Cotton Cul tivation Programme, there are so many in THE MINISlER OF STAlE OF THE centives being given by the Ministry. Of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. course, the farmers are being benefited by ~ESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Yes Sir. Free this programme. local call telephone facility has been pro vided in emergency/ casualty wards of main Under the Intensive Cotton Develop hospitals, arrival/departure lounges of Indira ment Scheme (ICDS), the Government pro Gandhi International Airport and Telecom vides plant protection equipment and chemi Centre at Shastri Bhawan. cals at subsidised rate to the farmers. (c). These telephones are installed at a DR. (SHRIMATI) KS.SOUNDARAM: carefully chosen place to ensure that the The extra long staple cotton which is named facility extended is not misused. Suvin cottion is grown only in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh. May I know from the Conversion of Manual Telephone Minister whether the C.C.I. Will come for Exchanges Into Electronic Exchanges. ward to buy this cotton to export to foreign countries, which is in great ·demand. *802. SHRI. DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA I would like to know from the han. Min- TIONS be pleased to state: 31 Written AnswefS SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written AnsW8fS 32
(a). whether the Government have any (b). As on 31.3.1991, there are 951 plan to convert manual telephone exchanges number of Manual Telephone Exchanges into electronic exchanges; and working in the country which have been (b). if so, the details thereof, State planned to be converted into automatic elec wise? tronic exchanges by March 1995 progres sively. A statement on the number of Manual THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Telephone Exchanges with their equipped MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. capacity as on 31.3.1991 is attached. RAJESH PILOT): (a). Yes, Sir. 33 Written Answers BHADRA 21. 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 34
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New Post and Telegraph Offices In posed to set up 2 Telegraph offices and Karnataka provide telegraph facilities to 20 post offices in Karnataka during the same period. 'The '"803. SHRI. S.B. SIDNAL: Will the Minister district-wise number of post offices and of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: combined posts and telegraph offices to be set up in Karnataka during 1991-92 is given (a). the numbor of post offices and tele in statement 'A' and 'B' respectively. Ap graph offices proposed to be set up in Karna proximately an amount of Rs.41 lakhs is taka during 1991-92 and the amount allo likely to be provided for setting up telegraph cated therefor, district-wise; and offices in Karnataka. The district-wise de tails of allocations in this respect are indi (b). the time by which these offices are cated in Annexure 'B'. As regards allocation likely to start functioning? of funds for opening of post offices, the same is done on All India basis. An amount of Rs. 3 Crores has been approved for opening of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE post offices in the countryforthe current year MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI. (1991-92). RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b): It is proposed to open, subject to justification, 50 Branch These Post Offices and Telegraph Of Post Offices and 10 Sub Post Offices in fices are likely to start functioning from April, Karnataka during 1991-92. It is also pro- 1992 or even earlier. 39 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 40
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Telephone Adalats Again after holding each Adalat Press Release is issued in all leading Dailies giving *804. SHRI. PRATAPRAO B. information about the number of cases dealt BHONSLE: Will the Minister of COMMUNI with. CATIONS be pleased to state: Insurgency In North-East Region (a). whether the Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited has been holding Telephone *805. SHRI. RABI RAY: Will the Minis Adalats regularly; ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:
(b). if so, the details thereof; (a). whether the activities of various insurgent groups are increasing in the North (c). whether any time limit has been Eastern Region of the country; fixed to deal with the grievances of subscrib ers after these are brought before these (b). if so, the details thereof, and Adalats; (c). the steps taken by the Government (d). if so, the details thereof and if not, to check insurgency effectively in this part of the reasons therefor; the country?
(e). whether cases dealt with in these THE MINISTER OF HOME Adalats are well publicised through press to AFFAIRS(SHRI. S.B. CHAVAN): (a)to(c): In encourage large Participation by subscrib the States of Assam, Manipur and Nagaland ers; and there has been an increase in violent adivi ties, such as ambushes, killings, kidnap (f). if so, the details thereof and if not, the pings, extortion of money, intimidation etc., reasons theretor? on the part ot insurgent groups.
The steps taken to check insurgency THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE include, among others, the following:- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. RAJESH PllOTA): (a) and (b): Yes, Sir. So 1. The Meitei extremist organisation, far 16 and 12 Telephone Adalats have been the National Socialist Council of Nagaland held since 1987 by Delhi and Bombay units and the United liberation Front of Assam respectively . have been declared unlawful under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967. (c) and (d). Most ofthe cases are settled on or before the Adalat day. Cases requiring 2. Under the Armed forces (Special additional investigations are settled subse Powers) Act, 1958, the following areas have quently after due investigations. In rare been declared as 'disturbed areas'. cases of excess billing complaints where very detailed and vigilance enquiries are (i) Whole of Assam and Manipur. required, the case settlement may take more time. (ii) 5 km. belt in Nagaland and Tripura and Chang lang districts of Arunachal
(a) the approximate area of waste and , (ii) Centrally Sponsored Scheme of In fallow lands in the country; tegrated Watershed Management in the Catchments of Flood Prone Rivers; (b) the steps taken/proposed to be taken to bring these lands under cultivation in order (iii) National Watershed Development to increase the agricultural production; Project for Rainfed Areas;
(c) whether the Government propose to (iv) Centrally Sponsored Scheme of give these lands to the landless poor and Reclamation of Alkali Soils in the States of weaker sections of the society on lease Uttar Pradesh, Punjab and Haryana; basis for cultivation purpose; and (v) EEC assisted projects of Reclama (d) if so, the details thereof? tion of ravenous areas in Uttar Pradesh and Integrated watershed management in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gujarat; MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (vi) Desert development Programme; The estimated area of wastelands in the and country is about 129.58 million ha.; the ex tent of fallows, including current fallows is (vii) Soil Conservation and watershed about 29.6 million ha. Management programmes under State sector. (b) to (d): The assignment of Govern ment was the lands for cultivation and other Telephone Facility to Gram Pan purposes falls under the purview of the State chayats Governments and/subject to policies and guidelines laid down by them for this pur ·807. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN: pose. So far about 4.17 million ha. ot Gov Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be ernment wastelands in the country have pleased to state: been distributed to the landless rural poor, weaker sections of the society and ex-serv Ca) the number of gram panchayats in icemen. the country, which are already linked with telephones, State-wisefUnion Territory-wise; For the development of waste and fal low lands with assignees of ceiling surplus {b) the yaar-wise programme for provid- 51 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 52 ing telephone connections to the remaining (ii) The programme for 1992-93, gram panchayat headquarters in each Statel 1993-94 and 1994-95 has been proposed as Union Territory; under:
(c) the estimated cost ofthe programme 1992-93 48,500 for connecting the remaining gram panchayat headquarters; and 1993-94 60,000
(d) the anticipated return per annum on 1994-95 68,000 the investment? (c) Rs. 2820 crores(approximately).
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) This scheme is mainly welfare ori MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI ented. RAJESH PILOn: (a) 39632 as per details given in Statement I. Telephone facility in village Panchayats will bring people living in remote parts of the (b) (i) 12,000 Gram Panchayats are country closer thereby promoting national planned to be provid~d with telephone facil integration besides helping them to gain ity during 1991-92 as per details given in overall Socio-economic growth. Such gains Statement II. cannot be evaluated in monetary terms.
STATEMENT-I
Status of Gram Panchayats with Telephone Facility
51. No. Circle/State Gram Panchayats with Telephone Facility
1. Andhra Pradesh 4350
2. Assam 310
3. Bihar 3258
4. Gujarat 2368 Dadra and Nagar Haveli. Daman and Dieu 9
5. Haryana 1107
6. Himachal Pradesh 813
7. Jammu and Kashmir 347
8. Kamataka 3373
9. Kerala 970 53 Written Answers BHAORA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 54
SI. No. CirclelState Gram Panchayats with Telephone Facility
LakshwaOeep*
10. Madhya Pradesh 3934
11. Maharashtra 4455.
Goa 104
12. North East
(i) Arunachal 6
(ii) Manipur 23
(iii) Meghalaya*
(iv) Mizoram*
(v) Nagaland* *
(vi) Tripura 50
13. Orissa 1422
14. Punjab 624
15. Rajasthan 2448
16. Tamil Nadu 4618
Pondicherry 6
17 Uttar pradesh 3517
18 West Bengal 1434
Sikkim 29
Andman and Nicobar Island 11
19 Oelhi(U.T.) 46
Total 39632
• Traditional Councils of villages Elders. No Gram panchayats. :>5 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 56
STATEMENT·II
Provision of Telephones in Gram Panchayats Programme for 1991-92.
Name of StatelU. T. Target for 1991·92
Andhra Pradesh 840
Assam 10 Bihar 600
Gujarat (Including Dadra Nagar Haveli, Daman and Dieu) 720
Haryana 720
Himachal Pradesh 30 Jammu and Kashmir 60
Karnataka 270
Kerala 30
Madhya Pradesh 1080
Maharashtra 1200 (Including Goa)
North East (Including Arunachal. 180 Manipur and Tripura)
Orissa 480
Punjab 720
Rajasthan 660
Tamil Nadu 870 (Including Pondicherry)
Uttar Pradesh 3000
West Bengal (Including Sikkim. Andaman and 360 Nicobar Islands)
Total 12,000 57 Written Answers BHADRA21,1913(SAKA) Written Answers 58
[ Translation] (a) whether the Indian Ambassador to Romania was recently shot and seriously Allocation of Narmada Water injured by some assailants at Bucharest;
*S08. KUMARI VIMALA VERMA: Will (b) if so, the details thereof; the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: (c) whether the adivities of such assail (a) whether 23 Million Acre Feet (M.A.F) ants in foreign countries are increasing; and water is available in the river Narmada as per the flow of water recorded at Garudeshwar; (d) if so, the steps taken/proposed to be taken by the Government to provide safety to (b) whether the allocation of water of the Indian diplomats posted abroad? said river was made by the Narmada water Disputes Tribunal on the basis of availability of 28 M.A.F.water; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTRNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) if so, whether the Government pro EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. pose to review that allocation; (b) Shri J.F. Ribeiro, Indian Ambassa (d) if so, the details thereof; and dor in Romania was shot and injured by (e) if not, the reasons therefor? suspeded terrorists on 20th August, 1991. The incident took place in Bucharest at about THE MINISTER OF WATER RE 1830 hrs. (local time) when the Ambassador SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN and his wife were out for a walk close to their SHUKLA): (a) Based on the hindcast data residence. One of the assailants, who was from 1891-92 to 1947-48 and the observed travelling in a car, opened fire with a data from 1947-48 to 1988-89, the 75% Kalashnikov assault rifle. The Romanian dependable flow of Narmada river comes to about 27.89 Million Acre feet. security personal accompanying the Am (b) Yes, Sir. bassador returned the fire following which the assailant fled throwing away his rifle. (c) There is no proposal to review the Simultaneously, three other assailants allocation of water made by the Narmada alighted from the the car and opened fire Water Disputes Tribunal. injuring the Ambassador in his right thigh. The security personnel shot dead one of the (d) and (e). The decisions of the Nar assailants and over-powered two, one of mada Water Disputes Tribunal Award are whom also sustained injury. Mrs Ribeiro was subjed to review only after a period of 45 unhurt. The fifth assailant who was in a years from the date of notification of the separate car also escaped. Award. (c) Yes, Sir. [English]
Attack on Indian Ambassador to (d) The responsibility for the protedion Romania of Indian diplomats abroad is that of the host Government. However, we constantly ap ·809. SHRI V. SREENIVASA prise our Missions of all threats to their PRASAD: security and advise them to alert the local SHRl MORESHWAR SAVE: Govemment so that they may provide ade Will the Minister of EXTRNAL AFFAIRS quate security l'rrangements for their pro be pleased to state: tedion. 59 Written AnsW91S SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsW91S 60
[Translation] (d) whether the Government propose to distribute these commodities through public Bilaspur Dam Project In Rajasthan distribution system; and
-810. SHRI RAM NARAIN BERWA: Will (e) if so, the details thereof? the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (a) the present position of the Bilaspur MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN):(a) Dam Project in Rajasthan; There has been some increase in the month end prices of some of the vegetables and (b)the details of irrigation potential likely fruits during 1991, as compared to 1990, for to be created on completion of the project example,onion, tomato, apple and banana. and the areas to be benefited thereby; and (b) The main reasons for higher prices (c) the time by which it is likely to be have been the heavy and unseasonal rains completed? in onion producing areas of Maharashtra and GUjarat, general inflationary trend, in THE MINISTER OF WATER crease in the cost of packaging material, RESOURCES(SHRI VIDYACHARAN steep hike in the prices of petroleum prod SHUKLA): (a) to (c). The State Government ucts, thereby increasing transportation cost, has intimated that they have undertaken the etc. preparation of a modified report as a multi purpose project to provide for irrigation and (c) In order to keep the prices of vege water supply components on the basis of the tables under check, Government of India hydrology approved by the Central Water has been implementing a central sector Commission. The details of the project such scheme for the production of fruits and vege as the extent of irrigation and the period of tables in the country since 1989-90. The construction are not finalised. sanctioned outlay for the year 1991-92 is Rs. 173 Jakhs. Another Central sector scheme [English] on integrated development of tropical and arid zone fruits with the outlay of Rs. 192.085 Rise In priceS of vegetables and fruits Jakhs has been implemented for production of fruits in the country. Delhi Administration -811. DR.V. RAJESWARAN: is making vegetables available at reason SHRI R. DHANUSKODI able rates to the consumers in capital through ATHITHAN: static outlets and mobile van. Mother Dairy is also selling vegetables and fruits at reason Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be able rates through 166 outlets in DelhiINoida. pleased to state: (a) whether the Government are aware (d) No, Sir. of the steep hike in prices of vegetables and (e) Does not arise. fruits in most of the cities in the country; Lo.. Incurred by NSC (b) if so, the reasons therefor; -812. SHRle.p. MUDALAGIRIYAPPA: (c) the steps taken by the Government Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be to bring down their prices; pleased to state: 61 Written AnswefS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswefS 62
(a> the loss incurred by the National I and II due to cut-back in pro Seeds Corporation during the last three years; duction;
(b) the reasons for the mounting loss; (v) Reduction in marketing seg and ment of NSC due to competi tion from State seeds Corpora (c) the steps taken by the Government tions (SSCs) and private seed to revitalise the Corporation? industry; and (vi) Excess staff. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHRI (c) To improve the working ofthe Corpo MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRN):(a) The ration, a Consultant has been appointed by amount of loss suffered by NSC during the the Government of India under National last three years is as under:- Seeds Project phase-III, a scheme imple mented with the assistance of World Bank. (Rs. in /akhs) The Diagnostic Report of the consultant has been received and alter careful considera Year Amount of loss tion of the same, the consultant has been asked to give further details/clarify certain 1987-88 190.50 portions of the Report. This Report will form the basis of the steps to be taken to revamp 1988-89 289.83 the Corporation.
1989-90 391.10 Telecommunication facilities In Rural Areas (b) h has been found that losses are because of:- ·813. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARARAJE: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (i) Increase in input prices and pleased to state: procurement prices paid to the (a) whether the Government havetaken seed growers without corre any decision to provide better telecommuni sponding .increase in the sale cation facilities in rural areas; price of seed; (b) H so, the details of such facilities (ii) Increase in fixed overhead proposed to be provided to the villages by expenses on account of gen the end of 1995; eral price rise and increase in (c) the efforts made in that direction in salary and allowances of the Rajasthan so far; and staff of the Corporation as per recommendations of High (d) the details of the target setfor provid powered Pay· Committee ing such facilities during the Eighth plan, (H.P.C.C.); State-wise?
(iii) Heavy interest burden; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISmy OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (iv) Under utilisation of infrastruc RAJESH PILOn: (a) Yes, Sir. tural facilities created under National Seeds Project Phase- (b) Public telephone facilities has been 63 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Written Answers 64 planned to be provided to aU Gram pan Facility so far In Rajasthan. chayats by end of 1995. (d) details given in the statement at (c) Out of 7353 total Gram Panchayats tached. 2448 have been provided with Telephone
STATEMENT
Target Set for Providing Telephone Facilities During 1991-95
SI.No. Name of State;V. T. Target
1. Andhra Pradesh 15238
2. Assam 405
3. Bihar 8201
4. Gujarat 1ana (Including Dadra Nagar Haveli Daman and Dive)
5. Haryana 4685
6. Himachal Pradesh 1784
7. Jammu and Kashmir 1114
8. Kamataka 4932
9. Kerala 12
10. Madhya Pradesh 19589
11. Maharashtra(lncluding Goa) 20378
12. North East (Including Arunachal •. 1991 Manipur and Tripura)
13. Orissa 2956
14. Punjab 10406
15. Rajasthan 4905
18. Tamil Nadu(lncluding pondic:herry) 8637
17. una, Pradesh 70224 65 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 66
SI.No. Name of StatelU. T. Target
18. West Bengal(including Sikkim 1830, Andaman and Nicobar Islands)
19 Delhi (U.T) 145
Total: 1,88,202
Indo-Sri Lankan efforts to Meet Chal offices in all the Gram Panchayats of Bihar; lenges from LTTE (b) if so, the details thereof; • 814. SHRI CHITA BASU: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased (c) whether 'Oak and Oak materials' are to state: delivered once in three to four days in vari ous post Offices in Sahibganj district; and (a) whether any efforts have been made by India and Sri Lanka to meet the chal (d) if so, the action proposed to be taken lenges from LTIE, particularly after the by Government in this regard? assassination of the former Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) if so, the details thereof and the RAJESH PILOT): (a) No sir. No such pro results achieved so far? posal is under consideration. (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) and (d). Out of 15 Sub Post Offices (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO):(a) and (b). in Sahibganj district, there is daily delivery of There is no proposal far a joint Indo-Sri mails in areas served by 13 sub Post Offices. Lanka effort visa-vis the L TIE. However, However, in the areas served by 2 Sub Post Government of Sri Lanka continues to ex Offices namely, Hiranpur and Amarapara, tend its fullest cooperation to the Govern there used to be delivery of mail twice a ment of India in the investigatiol1 into the week during the period from December, 89 assassination of the former Prime Minister, to July, 91 mainly due the shortage of Bihar Rajiv Gandhi. State Road Transport corporation fleet. This, however, has now been streamlined and [ Trans/atiop] since 1.8.91, daily delivery of mails in these area has also been assured, Opening of post offices In 811 Gram Panchayats of Bihar. [English]
6789. SHRI SIMON MARANDI: Will the Functioning of Sub-Registrar and Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Stamp Collector Offices In Delhi to state-: 6790. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: (a) whether the Government are formu Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be lating any .'-)"Ig term scheme to open post pleased to state: 67 MfnttsnAnswem SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Mfnttsn Answem 68
(a) whether the Sub-Registrar and the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Stamp Collector Delhi Administration accept MINISTRY OF PARlIAMENTATRY AF the Valuation report given by the approved FAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE valuers of buildings etc; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) Delhi Administration has re (b) if not ,the reasons therefor; ported that Sub-Registrars accept valuation reports. (c) the present land and development (b) Does not arise. offices rates in respect of land and construe tion; (c) The schedule of market rates of land in different areas of DelhiINew Delhi under control of land and Development Office (d) the number of case in which the applicable from, 1-4-1987 to 3-3-1989 is valuation report of the approved valuers was given in the Ministry of Urban Development's accepted during the last three years and tl\.e letter No. J-22011/4186-LO (001) dated 1st number of cases in which it was not ac June, 1987. A copy of the letter alongwith the cepted during the said period; and schedule is given in the statement below. The rates from 1-4-1989 have not been fixed. (e) the steps being taken to streamline (d) No such record is maintained. the functioning of the Officers of Sub-Regis trar and Stamp Collector Delhi Administra (e) The post of Sub-Registrar has been tion? upgraded.
STATEMENT
No.J-2201114186-LD(DOI) Government of India Ministry of Urban Development (Land Division)
New Delhi, the 1st June, 1987.
To
1. The Land and Development Officer Nirman Bhavan, New Delhi (5 Copies)
2. The Vice Chairman, Delhi Development Authority (5 copies) Vikas Minar, New Delhi.
3. The Secretary Land and Building Department (5 copies) Delhi Administration, Vikas Bhavan I.P. Estate, New Delhi
Sub:-Schedule of markel rates of land the control of land and development Office. in dlferent areas d DeIhW4ew Delhi Under 69 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 70
Sir, 7. The review of these rates should be taken up by the Land and Development The schedule of market rates of land in Officer well before the date of expiry. Delhi/New Delhi have been revised with effect from 1.4.87 and the revised rates are 8. This issues with the concurrence of as shown in the schedule annexed to this the Ministry of Finance. letter. The revised rates shall be in force for all purpose except for (i) hotels, (ii) cinemas and (iii) for the purpose of recovery of un Sdl earned increase due to the lessor while (N. RAJAGOPALAN) granting permission for sale in respect of residential leases measuring 100 sq. yd. UNDER SECY. TO THE GOVT. OF INDIA. (83.613 sq.mts.). Copy forwarded to:- 2. (a) The market rates for commercial purposes for Zone I are based on a FAR of 1. The Chief Engineer (valuation). 250 and for the other Zone on existing FARs. Central Public Works Deptt.• Rohit House, Tolstoy Marg. New (b) Residential rates are based on the Delhi. existing FAR prescribed for various areas. 2. Lieutenant Governor. Raj Niwas, NOTE: These rates will be reduced or Delhi. increased proportionate to the reduction or increase in FAR. 3. Finance Division (Lands Unit), Min. of U.D. 3. For the purpose of calculating and recovering lessor's share of unearned in 4. Min.of Home Affairs. Department crease while granting sale permissions in of Rehabilitation. Jaisalmer House. respect of the residential leases measuring New Delhi sale permissions in respect of the residential leases measuring 100sq.yds.(83.613Sq.M.) 5. Municipal Corporation of Delhi. or less, the land rates laid down in this Town Hall. Delhi (5copies). Ministry's letter No. -2201113/80-LD(DOI) dated the 21 st October, 1981 will be appli 6. New Delhi Municipal Committee. cable for a period of two years from 1.4.87to Town Hall. N. Delhi (5 copies) 31.3.89. 7. Director of Audit. CW&M, AGCR 4. In so far as hotel and cinema sites are Building. I.P.Estate. New Delhi- concerned, each case should be specifically 110002. considered in consultation with the Ministry of Finance. 8. Delhi Division. Min. of U.D. (5 copies). 5. For any locality not covered by the SChedule annexed hereto the rates for 9. All desk officers in Lands Division. comparable areas will be applied. 10. Information Officer, Ministry of 6. These rates are effective from 1st Urban Development, Shastri April, 1987 to 31st march, 1989. Bhavan. New Delhi 71 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Wrhten Answers 72
11. PSto UIM 17. Joint Secretary (H & HS).
12. PS to Mos.UD. 18. Spare copies-250. Sdl 13. PS to Secretary. (N. RAJAGOPALAN)
14. Joint Secretary (Finance). UNDER SECY.TO THE GOVT.OF INDIA.
15. Joint secretary (Urban Develop- Schedule of Market Rates of Land In ment). DelhilNew Delhi(Annexed with Ministry or urban Development Letter No. J-22011/41 16. Joint Secretary (W.A) 86-LD(DOI)
SI.No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metre) (Rs.per.sq.m)
ZONE-1 CENTRAL ZONE
1. Connaught place 8000/- 23000/-
2. Connaught Circus 8000/- 23000/-
3. Connaught place Extension 8000/- 23000/- upto commercial zone.
4. Barakhamba Road{beyond 8000/- 23000/- Conn.place Ext.upto Commercial zone.
5. Curzon Rd. beyond 8000/- 23000/- Connaught place Ext. upto Commercial Zone
6. HanumanRd 80001- 23000/- (Commercial Zone)
7. Janpath beyond (Conn. 8000/- 23000/- place Ext.upto Windsor Place)
8. Bhagwandas Road 80001- 23000/-
9. Hailey Road 80001- 230001-
10. Hanuman Road (Res. 80001- 23000/- zone) 73 Written Answel5 BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answel5 74
51. No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metre) (Rs.per.sq.m)
11. Baird Road. 8000/- 23000/-
12. Jain Mandir Road 8000/- 23000/-
13. Jantar mantar 8000/- 23000/- Road beyond Conn. Place Extension
14. Lady Harding Road 8000/- 23000/-
15. Mandir marg 8000/- 23000/-
16. Area outside the 8000/- 23000/- extended commercial zone, Parliament street.
17. Minto Road 8000/- 23000/-
18. Panchkuin Road 8000/- 23000/-
19. Bhagat Singh Market 8000/- 23000/-
20. Babar Road 8000/- 23000/-
21. Krishna market Paharganj 8000/- 23000/-
22. Mathura Road Press 8000/- 23000/-
23. Jhandewalan 8000/- 23000/-
24. Motiakhan 8000/- 23000/- (including 'c' type tenements)
ZONE II SOUTH ZONE.
1. Khan Market 6000/- 10800/-
2. Diplomatic Enclave 6000/- 10800/-
3. Diplomatic enclave Extension 6000/- 10800/-
4. Golf Links 6000/· 108001· 75 Written AnSWBIS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnswelS 76
SI.No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metre) (Rs.per.sq.m)
5. Aurangzeb Road 6000/- 108001-
6. Prithvi Raj Road 6000/- 108001-
7. Tis January Marg 6000/- 108001-
8. Ratendon Road 6000/- 108001-
9. Humayun Road 6000/ 108001-
10. JorBagh 6000/- 1080000
11. Sunder Nagar 6000/- 108001-
12. Andrewsganj 5500/- 9900/-
13. Sadiq Nagar 5500/- 9900/-
14. Defence Colony 5000/- 9000/-
15. R.K.Puram 5000/- 9000/-
16. MotiBagh 50001- 9000/-
17. lodiRoad 50001- 90001-
18. Lodi Estate 5000/- 90001-
19. Aliganj 5000/- 90001-
20. SewaNagar 5000/- 9000/-
21. Lajpat Nagar facing 5000/- 9000/- Ring Road
22. Basant Vihar (Other than DDA land) 4000/- 9000/
23. Lajpat Nagar(1 to iv) 4000/- 7200/-
24. Nizamuddin 40001- 72001-
25. Jangpura 4000/- 72001 77 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 78
SI.No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metre) (Rs.per.sq.m)
26. Kalkaji 4000/- 7200/-
27. Malviya Nagar (Ext·t&Old 3600/- 64801-
28. M.B.Road 36001- 6480/-
ZONE-III WEST DELHI
1. Ajmal Khan Road 50001- 9000/-
2. GhaHar Market 50001- 9000/-
3. Karol Bagh 5000/- 9(1001-
4. M.M.Road 5000/- 90001-
5. Rani Jhansi Market 50001- 9000/-
6. Link Road Karol Bag 5000/- 9000/-
7. Deshbandhu Gupta Market 5000/- 9000/-
8. Patel Nagar (East West 50001- 9000/- and South)
9. Rajinder Nagar(OId 50001- 90001- and New)
10. Rohtak Road (Old 40001- 72001- and New)
11. Nazafgarh Industrial Area 3000/- 60001-
12. Rameshwari Nehru Nagar 30001- 5400/-
13. MotiNagar 3000/- 5400/-
14. Sarai Rohila 30001- 5400/-
15. Tilak Nagar 30001- 54001-
16. Tlhar I & II 3000/- 54001- 79 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written AnswelS 80
SI.No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metl'9) (Rs.per.sq.m)
17. Ramesh Nagar 3000/- 5400/-
18. Industrial Area Ext. 3000/- 5400/-
ZONE IV NORTH DELHI
1. Kamla Nagar 3000/- 6000/-
2. Rup Nagar 3000/- 6000/-
3. Shakti Nagar 3000/- 6000/-
4. QutabRoad 3000/- SOOO/-
5. Roshnara Road 3000/- 6000/-
s. Lajpat Rai Markat 3000/- 5400/-
7. Ansari Market 3000/- 54001-
8. Jawahar Nagar 3000/- 54001-
9. Khuurshid Market 3000/- 5400/-
10. Teliwara 30001- 5400/-
11. Azad Market 3000/- 5400/-
12. Mall Road 3000/- 5400/-
13. RajpurRoad 3000/- 5400/
14. MaIka Ganj 3000/- 54001-
15. Alipur Road 3000/- 5400/-
16. Chokhale Market 30001- 54001-
17. Hathi Khanna 3000/- 5400/-
18. Khanna Market (Near Tis Hazari) 3000/- 5400/- 81 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 82
SI.No Name of the locality Residential Commercial (Rs.per sq. metre) (Rs.per.sq.m)
19. Lehna Singh Market 30001- 5400/-
20. Nicholson Road 3000/- 54001-
21. Vijay Nagar 30001- 54001-
22. Ashoka Market 3000/- 54001-
23. Subzimandi 30001- 54001-
24. Indira Nagar 2500/- 45001-
25. Azadpur 2500/- 45001-
26. Andha Mughal 2500/- 45001-
27. Band Stand Area Ext. (BSA) 2500/- 4500/-
28. Bharat Nagar 25001- 4500/-
29. Gur-Ki-Mandi 25001- 45001-
30. Gulabi Bag 25001- 45001-
31. Kingsway Camp 25001- 45001-
32. Timarpur 25001- 45001-
33. Angoori Bagh 25001- 4500;-
34. Edward Lines 25001- 45001-
35. Hakikat Nagar 25001- 45001-
ZONEV EAST DELHI
1. Jh.. 1 Kuranja 12001- 21601-
2. Geeta CoIcony 12001- 21601-
Narela and other Outlying Colonies 8501- 15301- 83 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 84
Central Funds for Brahmaputra (a) whether attention of the Govem Board ment has been drawn to the news-item captioned "Delhi Police Ke Jawanon Meln 6791. SHRI UDDHAB BARMAN: Will Asantosh Panap Raha Hai· appearing In the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be Navbharat Times dated August 1,1991; and pleased to state:
(a) the details of funds provided by (b) if so, the reaction of the Govern the Union Government to the Brahmaputra ment thereto and the steps taken or pro Board during last three years, year-wise; posed to be taken in the regard? and (b) the details of projects cleared by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Brahmaputra Board and sanctioned by MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS the Union Government in the North-eastern AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS region during last three years? TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) A news-item captioned ·Delhi THE MINISTER OF WATER RE Police Ke Jawanon Mein Asantosh Panap SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN Raha Hai" appeared in Navbharat Times SHUKLA): (a) The grants-in-aid released to dated August 1, 1991. The news-item re the Brahmaputra Board.during the last three ferred to certain demands of the Delhi Police years are as follows:- Karamchari Kalyan Parish ad, mainly relat ing to provision of residential accomodation, (i) 1988-89 Rs.SOO lakhs grant of weekly rest, avoiding long hours of duty, restricting deployment of constables (ii) 1989-90 Rs.665lakhs as orderlies, etc.
(iii) 1990-91 Rs. 482 lakhs (b) The Government have taken certain steps for increasing residential accommo (b) The following are the schemes dation, weekly rest is being provided and cleared by Brahmaputra Board and sanc orderlies are being appointed as per the tioned by the Union Government:- fixed norms.
(i) Narrang Drainage Improvement Agreement Between Management and Scheme, (Cost Rs. 490 lakhs) Employees' Federation on N.P.C.C.
(ii) North -Eastern Hydraulic and Al 6793. SHRI. BHOGENDRA JHA: Will lied Research Institute, (Cost Rs. the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be 470 lakhs) pleased to stale:
[ Trans/ation] (a) whether any agreement was reached News-ltem Captioned "Deihl between the Management and the Employ Police Ke Jawanon Meln Asantosh ees' Federation of the National Projects Panap Raha Hal" Construction Corporation Limited on March 22,1991;and 6792. SHRI SHIV SHARAN VERMA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) if so, the details thereof and the time pleased to stale: by which it is likely to be implemented? 85 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 86
THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- bulk capacity releases, out of the 3 catego . SOURCES (SHRI. VIDYACHARAN ries of registrants, people registered under SHUKLA): (a) and (b): A Memorandum of OYT category get a higher percentage of Settlement was signed between the Man release as per the scheme. agement of National Projects Construction Corporation Limited and All India National (c) About 41akh new connections under Projects Construction Corporation limited Non-OYT category are expected to be re Employees Federation on 22nd March, 1991 . leased during the current year. The important features of the Settlement are re-instatement of retrenched and terminated Haj Pilgrimage workmen up to the end of September, 1991; re-instatement of workmen of Totladoh Unit 6795. SHRI. SYED SHAHABUDDIN: from the date of their termination; review on SHRI. T.J. ANJALOSE: merit of the cases of workmen dismissed on disciplinary grounds; to initiate negotiations Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF for wage settlement effective for a period of FAIRS be pleased to state: 8 years from January, 1987 to December, 1994 and withdrawal of pending cases be fore Labour Authorities/Courtsllndustrial (a) the number of applications for Haj Tribunals. Most of the clauses of the settle pilgrimage received from each State during ment are scheduled for implementation by last three years, year-wise; 30th September, 1991. (b) the number of Haj Pilgrims by air, [English] sea and ports of exit during the above period year-wise; Priority to Persons Registered under OYT Category for Telephone Connec (c) the catchment area for each port of tions. exit and the State-wise break up of pilgri,!,s for each of them; 6794. SHRI. GURUDAS KAMAT: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (d) whether there is any plan for fixing pleased to state: quota for those States where the demand for Haj Pilgrimage is high;
(a) whether the Government have de (e) if so, the details thereof; cided to give priority to applicants for tele ·phone connections registered under OYT (f) the State-wise representation in the category; existing Haj Committee;
(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (g) the present status of the proposed amendments to the Haj committee Act as (c) the number of connections to be approved by the Central Haj Advisory Board; sanctioned to applicants registered under non-OYT category during the current year? (h) the present composition ofthe Board and the date of its last meeting; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOFCOMMUNICATIONS(SHRI. (i) the steps taken by the Government RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b): At the time of for providing more facilities to Haj Pilgrims? 87 Written AnswefS SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Written AnswefS 88
-'-HE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (f) The Haj Committee members do not MIN ISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI. represent any State. eDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Information <. '/ail able is given in Statement-A. (g) Legislation to replace the existing act was proposed by the Central Haj Advi (b) and (c). Information available is given sory Board. which is under consideration of in Statement-B. Government.
(h) There is no Central Haj Advisory (d). There is no proposal to refix quotas Board now. which are fixed on the basis of stalewise Muslim population. (i) Arrangements for Haj are under constant examination to effect improvement (e) Does not arise. which is an on-going process. 89 Written Answers BHAORA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 90
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Memorandum from Coconut Growers In As per this survey, the value of con Kerala sumption of milk and milk products per per son for a period of 30 days during 1988-89 6796. SHRI KODIKKUNIL SURESH: (latest available) in Kerala is Rs. 11.20 for Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be rural areas and Rs. 18.68 for urban areas. pleased to state: [ Translation] (a) whether the Government have re ceived any memorandum from the Coconut Promotion to SCIST Telephone Opera growers in Kerala regarding difficulties faced tors In MTNL, Deihl. by them; 6798. SHRI. RAMCHAN'DRA VEER (b) if so, details thereof; and APPA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA TIONS be pleased to state: (c) the reaction of the Government thereto and action taken thereon? (a) the number of Telephone Operators promoted in Supervisor Grade in Mahanagar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Telephone Nigam Limited, Delhi during last MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI three years; MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a): No memorandum has been received during (b) the number of persons belonging to 1991 in Ministry of Agriculture from Coconut Scheduled CasteslScheduled Tribes out of growers in Kerala. them.
(b) and (c). Do not arise. (c) whether the SC/ST employees have been given the residue quota fixed by the Per capita Milk Consumption Government in this regard; and
6797. SHRI T. J. ANJALOSE: Will the (d) if not, the reasons therefor? Minister of AGRICl)LTURE be pleased to state the per capita consumption of milk in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the urban and rural areas of Kerala sepa MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. rately during 1990-91? RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Sir, in the year 1988,51 telephone operators including 6 SC candidates and one ST candidate were THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE restored to Supervisory grade. In the years MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. 1989 & 1990, number of such operators was lENKA): Data on per capita consumption of 22 and 16 respectively. However, there was milk separately for urban and rural areas of no SC/ST candidates among them. Kerala during 1990-91 are not available. However, the National Sample Survey Or (c) and (d), Sir, SC/ST employees have ganisation, Department of Statistics con been given the res(Orved quota fixed by the ducts regularly nationwide surveys on house Government in this regard in the years prior hold consumer expenditure. This survey to November, 1983. Due to introduction of provides data on the value of consumption of One Time Bound Promotion (OTBP) Scheme various groups of household items including w.e.f. 30.11.1983, 228 posts of Supervisors the expenditure of mil( and milk products in were reduced and operators already pro' rural and urban areas, moted as Supervisors were reverted 10 their 97 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 basic cadre of Telephone Operators retain (b) whether the agricultural land allotted ing their existing pay scales as for Supervi prior to last one years has been demarcated sors. During subsequent years including and the possession handed over to altotters; 1988, 1989 and 1990, depending upon the availability of the vacancies in the grade of (c) if so, the details thereof; Supervisors, the officials who were earlier reverted as operators, including SCI5T (d) whether any premium has been candidates, were again restored as Supervi charged with retrospective effect; and sors as per their seniority. (e) if so, the rate thereof and when this [English] rate commenced for implementation?
Closure of Engineering Foundry Units THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS 6799. sHRI. s.N. VEKARIA: Will the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS Minister of sTEEl.be pleased to state: TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI.M.M. JACOB): (a) Two cases. (a) where several engineering foundry units in the country are facing closure; (b) and (c). In Andaman District agricul tural land was allotted in 249 cases and in (b) if so, the details thereof; and Nicobar district agricultural and hilly land was allotted in 319 cases. The land has (c) the action taken/proposed to be taken been demarcated and the possession has by the Government in this regard? been handed over to the allottees.
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF STEEL (sHRI sONTOsH MOHAN DEV): (a) to (c): One of the inputs of (e) Does not arise. the foundry units is pig iron. Domestic pro duction of pig iron is inadequate to meet the Centrally Sponsored Schemes for total domestic demand. Pig iron industry Flood Affected State had been delicensed in 1986, so as to en courage entry of private sector in the produc 6801. SHRI. GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI: tion of pig iron. Import of pig iron was also Will the Minister of AGRICUlTURE be placed under OGl in March, 1990 so as to pleased to state: enable users to directly import pig iron. (a) whether the Government propose to Allotment of AgrlcuHural Land in launCh a Centrally Sponsored Scheme for Andaman and Nicobar Islands the benefit of small and marginal farmers in flood affected States; 6800. sHRI. MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) if so, the date from which the schemf' pleased to state: would be launched;
(a) the number of cases where i.Jgr ,-: (c) whether the scheme has already turalland was allotted other than regularisa· been launched in S 'le States; and tion of encroachments in Andaman and Nicobar Islands during the last one vear; (d) if so, the names of those States? 99 Wrirten Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 100
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the royalty on iron ore collected from MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI. the various mining companies in Goa during MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a): the last three years, year-wise; and No,Sir. (b) to (d): 00 not arise. (b) the amount of royalty collected from the top five iron export companies in Goa [ Translation) during the above period, year-wise?
Setting up of Ucensed Post Ofnces THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE In Urban Are•• MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM SINGH YADAV): (a) and (b): The informa 6802. SHRI. DEVENDRA PRASAD tion is being collected and will be laid on the YADAV: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA Table of the House. TIONS be pleased to state: (a). whether the Government have Alleged Irregularities In HAU, Hlssar approved a scheme to set up licensed post offices in Urban and Semi-Urban areas; 6804. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN DEYA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE (b). whether the Government have be pleased to state: modified the policy in this regard; and (a). whether several cases of irregulari (c). if so, the reasons therefor? ties in Harvana Agricultural University, Hissar have been brought to the notice of the Union THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Government; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. RAJESH PilOT): (a) to (c): No, Sir. How (b) if so, the details thereof; and ever, a scheme of Licensed Postal Agents was introduced in August 1985 wilh the (c) the action taken by the Union Gov objective of reducing operational expendi ernment thereon? ture in urban areas, introducing an element of competition in running of the post offices THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and providing basic needs namely availabil MINISTRY OF AGRICULTUAE (SHAI. K.C. ityof stamps and stationery and despatch of lENKA): (a): No sir. mails at points where post offices do not (b) and (c). Does not arise. exist. At present the number of Licensed Postal Agents functioning in the country is Telephone Connections at Gorlyar about 200. No final view has been taken as Kothl and Siwan In Bihar yet in regard to modification or discontinu ance of Licensed Postal Agency Scheme. 6805. SHRI. SURYA NARAYAN SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA [English) TIONS be pleased to state:
Royalty Collected from Mining Compa (a> the number of persons on the waiting nle.olGoa list for telephone connections at Goriya Kothi and Siwan in Bihar; and 6803. SHRI. HARISH NARAYAN PRABHU ZANTYE: Will the Minister of (b) the steps taken to provide telephone MINES be pleased to state: coMections 10 all the applicants? 101 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 102
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE printers facilities at various places in Jam MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. nagar District; RAJESH PILOT): (a). As on 31.7.91, the number of persons on the waiting list for the (b). if so, the details thereof and the telephone oonnections in Siwan are 206. action taken thereon; There is no registered demand (i.e. prospec tive subscriber actually depositing the regis (c). the plans, proposals, schemes and tration charges) so far at Goriya Kothi where estimates for providing such facilities in the only one Long Distance Public Telephone is district during 1991-92 and 1992-93; and working. (d). the number of Telephones, FAX, (b). The waiting list at Siwan is expected STD and Teleprinters provided at Jamnagar to be cleared before March, 1995 by replac and other places in the distlict from January ing the existing 800 lines exchange with a l,1989toJuly31,1991? larger exchange. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Joint Venture Project of Sponge Iron In MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. Kaklnada, Andhra Pradesh RAJESH PILOT): (a) to (c): Yes, Sir. De mand for new telephone connections as on 6806. SHRI. G.M.C. BALAYOGI: Will 31.8.1991 inJamnagar District is 1734. There the Minister of STEEL be pleased to state: is no demand for Telex, Fax and Teleprint ers. In respect of STD, there is no registered (a) whether Mis. ESSAR Gujarat Ltd., is demand maintained. Instead, STD linkage going to set up a joint venture project of is provided depending on plan objectives Sponge Iron in Kakinada, Andhra Pradesh; andlor requirement assessed by the local unit. (b) if so, the details thereof; and The present waiting list for telephones (c) the time by which the construction is expected to be cleared progressively by work of the project is likely to be started? March, 1993.
STD links are available at six places in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Jamnagar district. During 1991-92, STD MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI. SONTOSH links are proposed to be provided at ten MOHAN DEV): (a): Government are not places. The expenses for all these plans and aware of any such proposal. proposals are expected to be met our of the Capital Outlay of Gujarat Telecom Circle. (b) and (c). Do not arise. (d). The number of telephones, FAX, Telecom Facilities In Jamnagar District STD links, Telex and Teleprinters provided Gujarat in Jamnagar district from January 1, 1989 to July 31,1991 are as under:- 6807. SHRI.CHANDRESH PATEL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Telephones 3729 pleased to stale: FAX 22 (a) whethH there are demands lor pro viding TeiolJhoflf)S. STDs, FAX and Tele- STD links 4 103 MfrmenAnsW9~ SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 .vrmen AnsW9~ 104
Telex Nil tegrated Services Digital Net work). A three node network Teleprinters Nil based on this technology is to be experimented in Bangalore by C-001' Technology end of 1991 and a total of 96 lSI subscribers to be conneded to 6808. SHRI. PRITHVIRAJ D. CHAVAN: it. The ISDN subscribers wiD be WiD the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be able to use ISDN facilities among pleased to state: themselves. BCN will also allow them to use existing telephone. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Modernisation of Telephone Exchanges MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. In Calcutta RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b): 6809. SHRI. SANATKUMAR MANDAL: i) Feature Phone - C-OOT has not Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be taken any programme for devel pleased to state: opment of this item. (a) whether the Government have any ii) PLCC (Power Line Carrier plan for modernisation of some exchanges Communication) - C-OOT has in Calcutta during this year; and extended its technical help to a few of C-OOTs PABX licen (b) if so. the details thereof and the work sees for extending the use of schedule? PABX for PLCC application. ii9 BSN (Business Subscriber Net THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE work - C-OOT is developing a MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. Business Communication Net RAJESH PILOT): (a). Yes Sir. work (BCN) based on the inter national standard for ISDN (In- (b) Given in the attached Statement. STATEMENT Details of Modemisation of Existing Exchanges in Calcutta during the year 1991-92. St.• Name Existing type To be Target No. converted 1. Central Strowger Eledronic Last quarter E·10B of 1991-92 2. Russa -do- -do- -do. 105 Written Ans....,. . BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnsweIS 106 SL. Nam. Existing type To be Talflet No. converted 3. Tribeni Strowger Electronic E-10B Last quarter of 1991-92 4. Howrah -do- -do- -do- 5. Salida -do- -do- -do- 6. Andul -do- -do- • 7. Bagh Bazar -do- -do- -do- 8. Baruipur -do- -do- • 9. Panihati Crossbar -do- . 10. Circus -do- -do- -do- 11. Russa -do- -do- -do- Detection of Mine. Through Satellite help in delineating target areas for Mineral exploration. 6810. SHRI ANAND RATNA MAURYA: Will the Minister of MINES be pleased to Department of Space and the Geologi state: cal Survey of India undertook a joint project called Vasundhara with the main purpose of (a) the achievements made in detection assessing the utility of remote sensing in of mines ihrough saleUite during last three mineral exploration. The studies resulted in years; the delineation of regional· level potential· target areas for mineral search by combining (b) whether any major break through data from satellites, airborne geophysical, has been achieved in this field; geo-chemical and ground geophysical and geological data. The target areas identified (c) the names of salenites being used in included lead-zinc mineralised zona in Von detecting mines; and timitta area in Cuddapah basin and pr0mis ing zones of gemstone in Andhra Pradesh Cd) the future plan In this regard? and Karnataka. The Satellite studies by Department of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Space with the concerned usar agencies MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI. BALAAM have also resulted in the delineation of fa SINGH YADAV): Cal and (b): The satellite vourable zones of lead-zinc mineraizlllion date have provided information on broad for further exploration in Udaipur dstrict, rock groups, landforms. structural features Rajasthan. Identification of target areas for such as folds, fracturellfaults etc. which exploration of copper in Balaghat District, 107 Written Answe13 SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Written Answe13 108 Madhya Pradesh. Identification of promis (English) ing areas for iron-ore and possible base metal mineral occurrences in Northern and Automatic Telephone Exchange with Central parts of Orissa and delineation of S_T.D. Facility In Tamluk, West aengal structural details in the Singrauli Coal fields in Madhya Pradesh. 6812. SHRI. SATYAGOPAL MISRA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) The studies were carried out using pleased to state: data mainly from the Indian Remote Sensing Satellite (IRS-1A). Data from Landsat (a). whether there is any proposal under TM(American satellite) and SPOT (French the co consideration of the Government for satellite) were also used. setting up of a automatic telephone ex change with S.T.D. facility in Tamluk, Midna pore District of West Bengal; and (d) It is proposed to take up modelling studies for mineral exploration involving data (b). if so, the details thereof? from the 1RS-1B, ERS-1(ESA) and better resolution data from future satellite series (e.g. IRS-1CI1D) along with other geo-sci THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE entific data. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. RAJESH PilOT): (a). Yes, Sir. [ Translation) (b). An Electronic Telephone Exchange along with S.T.D. facility has been Planned Upgradatlon of Post Offices in Bihar to be set up during 1993-94 at Tamluk, Midnapore District of West Bengal. 6811. SHRIMATI GIRUA DEVI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased [ Translation) to state: Power Supply to Zinc Smelter Plant at (a) whether the Govemment propose to Udaipur upgrade some branch and sub-post offices on the basis of population in Bihar during 6813. SHRI. BHERU LAL MEENA: Will 1991-92; and the Minister of MINES be pleased to state: (b) I so, the details thereof, district (a). the quantum of power required to wise? operate Debari Zinc Smelter at Udaipur and the names of places from where power is being obtained to operate this plant indicat THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ing the number of units of power being 0b MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. tained from each place; and RAJESH PILOT): (a) No, Sir. The upgrada tion of Branch Post Offices & Sub Post (b). whether D.G. sets have also been offices is done on the basis of workload and installed to overcome the shortage of power the presaibed financial parameters, and not and if so,the number of D.G. sets installed merely on the basis of population. and the total percentage of power consump tion being met by these sets together with (b). Does not arise in view of 'a' above. other details thereof? 109 Written Answers SHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [ Translation] MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI. SALRAM SINGH YADAV): (8): During the year 1990- Self-Sufficiency In Production of Pulse. 91 the maximum demand of the plant was 38.4 MVA. The total power supply to Zinc 6815. SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA: Smeller in Debsri is met by Rajasthan State Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Electricity Board. The contract demand with pleased to state: Rajasthan State Electricity Board is 40 MVA. (a). whether large quantity of pulses are being imported annually; and (b) Yas, Sir. Three D.G. sets of total generating capacity of 15.36 MW have been (b). if so. the steps taken by the Govern installed at Zinc Smelter. Debari. These ment for attaining self-sufficiency in produc cater to the need during power cuts and tion of pulses? power failures. Total captive generation during 1990-91 had been 46.07.117 units. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI. [Eng/ish} MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a): Yes. Sir. Transfer of Postal Divisions In Bihar (b) The following steps are being. taken for achieving self-sufficiency in pulses: 6814. SHRI. RAM NARESH SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be i) The National Pulses Development pleased to state: Programme schemes for improved seeds. demonstrations. plant pro (a) whether the Government have re tection measures. farm implements. ceived any representations tor the transfer dal processors biD-fertilisers and of Aurangabad. Gaya and Rohtas Postal training programmes covering 26 Divisions from the Ranchi Postal Circle to States and Union T errilories; the Patna Postal Circle; ii) Plant Protection umbrella for gram (b) if so, the action taken thereon; and and arhar against pod borer. cut worm and termite in 11 States. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? iii) Scheme for expansion of area under summer moonglurad in 11 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE States; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI. RAJESH PILOT): (a) A representation for iv) A composite approach to pulses such transfer of jurisdiction has been re development covering aopproduc ceived only in resped of Gaya Postal Divi tion. technology. farmers' services! sion. inputs. post-harvest technology and price-support! market intervention. (b) The matter is under examination. This approach has been taken up by the Technology Mission on Oil (c) Does not arise. seeds and Pulses. 111 Wrilten AnSMH'S SEPTEMBER 12.1991 Written AnsMn 112 (EngIsh) (b). the reasons for the delay In provid ing telephone connections and the stepa Gnlnt of Autonomy to Certain Units of taken to give early connections; and . I.T.I. (c). the time by which the waiting list of 6816. SHRI. V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: telephone connections is likely to be cleared? Wi. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRt. (a). whether the Government have any RAJESH PILOT): (a). The number of tele proposal to grant autonomy to the six units of phone connections pending in erode tele the Indian Telephone Industries; phone division and Tlruchengode telephone exchange as on August 31 st, 1991 are 4923 (b). if so, the details thereof; and 1179 respectively. (c). if noI, the reasons therefor, and (b) and (c). Present exchanges have no further capacity to give new telephone con (d). whether any proposal to grant au nedions. New Electronic Exchanges have tonomy to the I. T.I. unit at Kaujikode in been planned for Erode and Tiruchengode. PaIakkat District of Kerala has been !"G With the setting up of above exchanges, the ceivad from its employees? present waiting list is expected to be cleared by March,1994. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE UINISTRYOF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRt. [ Translation) RAJESH PILOT): (a) No, Sir. There is no proposal to effect any changes in the powers New Telephone Connections presently delegated to the I. T.I. (b). Does not arise. 6818. SHRt. HARI KEWAL PRASAD: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c). The units have been delegated pleased to state: appropriate powers regarding various sub- jects whenever necessary. . (a). whether the orders issued for tele phone connections upto March 31, 1991 Cd). No. Sir. have been cancelled; Telephone Connections In Erode (b). if not, the reasons for not imple Telephone Division and nruchengode menting those orders; Exchanges In Tamil Nadu. (c). the number of subscribers who have 6817. DR. (SMT.) K.S. SOUNDARAM: since been a:lotted telephone connections Wi. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be upto the said date out of. the telephone pleased to state: connections for which orders have been issued ,!arliar and the number of tho.. which (a): the number 01 applications for new are yet to be allotted; and te'ap.'1one connection. pending in Erode Telephone Division and Tlruchangode ex (d). the tim. by which the ...maining change In Tamil Nadu as on August 31. subscribers are .ely to be aIIolted tele 1911; phone connections? 113 Written AnawelS BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnSMlIS 114 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) if SO, the details and the outcome MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI thereof? RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). It is presumed that Hon'ble member wants to have informa THE MINISTER OF WATER RE tion regarding out-of turn telephone connec SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN tions. While action to provide these tele SHUKLA): (a) Based on the hydrogeological phone connections was under way, some surveys conducted upto the year 1990-91, cases of fake out-of turn sanctions were the Central Ground Water Board has esti brought to notice by Telecom. Field Units. mated the ground water resources of all the An investigation by Vigilance Branch was 16 identified drought prone districts in the ordered into the matter in the month of May state of UP except the five hilly districts of 1991. Action to provide telephone connec Chamoli. Pauri Garhwal, Tehri GarhwaJ, tions on out-of-turn sanctions was therefore, A1mora and Pithorgarh. During the year 1991- withheld pending completion of the investi 2, exploratory drilling has been planned in gation. some of these districts, to prove the esti IT. ..tas made as a result of hydrogeological (c). The information is being collected surveys. and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) Drought prone districts of Allahabad, (d). Further action will be taken on Banda and Hamirpur have presently been completion of the investigations. However, included in the exploratory drilting programme in respect of sanctions made on the recom for 1991-92. Assessment of ground water in mendations of Hon'ble Members of Parlia these areas has been planned through the ment, against their quota, Provision of tele drilling of 20 exploratory wells and 10 obser phone connections has already been or vation wells. dered. These telephones will be installed progressively on priority subject to technical (c) while Nainital district has been in feasibility. cluded in the exploratory drilling programme, Pauri Garhwal, Chamoli and Tehri have not lEnglish) been included. Ground Water Study In Uttar (d) To confirm the estimates of ground Pradesh water based on hydro-geological surveys, II is planned to drill 5 exploratory wells and 3 6819.SHRIBHUWANCHNDRAKHAN observation wells in Nainital district to the DURI: Will the Minister of WATEA RE depth of 300 to 450 metres. SOURCES be pleased to state: (a) whether the Union Government have Arrest of an Abu Dhabi National at conducted any study to assess the under Sahar Air Port Bombay ground water resources in drought prone areas of Uttar Pradesh during 1991-92; 6820.SHRIBASAVARAJESWARI:Wtl the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (b) If SO, the details thereof; to state: (c) whether Pauri Garhwal, ChamoH (a) whether an Abu Dabi national was Tehri and Nainital districts we,e included in arrested at the Sahar international Airport the said study; and for allegedly marrying a 14 year old slum girl 115 Wrhten AnsW91S SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnstWPIS 118 from Bombay and trying to whisk her away to provided to the Medical offICers and Doctors Abu Dhabi; of the Homeopathic system of medicine working under the Delhi Administration; and (b) if so, how many such cases have been noticed so far; and (d) if not, the reasons therefor and the time by which the requisite pay scales are (c) the action proposed to be taken in likely to be provided to such officers? this regard? THE MINISTRER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTERY OF PARLIAMENTARY AF MINISTRY OF PARlIMENTARY AFFAIRS FAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATER IN THE AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS(SHRI TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M.JACOB): (a) to (d). The information 18 M.M.JACOB): (a) Yes, Sir. being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) and (c). The enquiry and action in the matter is a State subject and lies with the Smuggling of Livestock State Govemment. However, the informa tion is being collected and will be laid on the 6822. SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI: WiD Table of the House as soon as possible. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ( Translation] (a) the number of cows and livestock smuggled to Pakistan from Rajasthan during implementation of Recommenda last three years; tion. of Fourth Pay Commission In Haafth DeptL of Deihl Administration (b) whether any effective action has been taken in this regard; and 6821. SHRI KESRI LAL: WiD the Minis ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) if SO, the details thereof? (a) whether the recommendation of the Central Fourth Pay Commission have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fully Implemented in the Department of Health MINISTRYOFPARLAMENTARY AFFAIRS of Delhi administration; AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (b) if not. the reasons therefor; JACOB): (a) The number of cows and other animals seized by the BST while. being (c) whether the pay scales as recom smuggled to Pakistan from Rajasthan bor mended by the Commission have been der during the last three years Is, as under:- Year 1988 244 305 ,_118g 425 218 21 637 ,., 575 117 Written Answel3 BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written MSWBIS 118 (b) and (c). Border fares have been (a) the names of the crops being grown strengthened both in force, in equipment in Uttar pradesh under the Community Farm and weaponery. Vigil has been increased. ingScheme; Bordar fencing and lighting is being done in specified areas. (b) whether the Government propose to implement Centrally sponsored schemes for [English) cultivation of wheat, maize, miDet, sugar cane, rice and vegetable in Uttar pradesh; Dairy Dellcenclng of Producing and unit. (c) if so, the details thereof? 6823. SHRI MORESHWAR SAVE: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ca) whether the government propose to delicence dairy producing units; MINISTRY OF AGICUlTURE(SHRI MUL Cb) if so, the details thereof; and LAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): Community Farming schema (c) The details of the Centrany Spon 6824. DRlAl BAHADUR RAWAl: Will sored Scheme of Integrated programme for the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Rice Development are as follows:- to state: Programme Allocation for Pattemof 1991-92 Central Assistanc Share(Rs. in lakhs) 1 2 3 (b) Rice seed Minikit 19.46 100% and Stat. Laval Central Training Share 119 Written AnSwelS SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written Ans_,. 120 [Engish] under the central Government. However. the Government had set up Narmada Con Killing and Arrest of Terrorists trol Authority in 1980 in accordance with the provisions of Narmada Water Disputes Tri 6825.SHRI SUSHIL CHANDRA bunal Award on the sharing of Narmada VARMA: Will the Minister of HOME AR waters amongst the Narmada basin States. RAJAS be pleased to state: During 1989-90, the Narmada Control Au thority has paid an amount of Rs. 12.15.0051 (a> the number of terroristslmilitants - to the consultants. kiUad and arrested in Jammu and Kashmir between January 1st 1987 and June 1991; (b) Yes, Sir. (b) the number of those arrested sinee [English] January 1987 for militancy and secessionist activities have been convicted by the courts; Yen CredH for Procurement of Power and House Equlpments (c) the steps taken by the Government 6827. SHRt SHANKERSINH to eflsure the speedy trial of such terrorists? . VAGHELA: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (a) whether the Government of Gujarat AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS has requested the Union Government for TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI second yen credit for procurement of power M.M.JACOB) : (a) to (c). Information is house equipments to be supplied from Ja awaited from the Government of J and K. pan; [Translation] (b) if so, the details thereof and the action taken thereon; and Amount Paid to consuHants by NDA (c) the time by which the units of the Sardar Sarovar Power House are likely to be 6826. SHRI MAHENDRA KUMAR commissioned? SINGH THAKUR: Will the Minister of WA TER RESOURCES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF WATER RE SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN (a> the total amount paid by the Nar SHUKLA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Govern mada Development Authority to various ment of Gujarat has approached the Gov consultants; and ernment of India for negotiating second loan assistaneeof 17.2 billion Japanese Yen from (b> whether the major and medium Overseas Economic Co-operation Fund, projects are being set up on the Narmada Japan. Despite vigorous efforts made by the Basin? Government of India, the Japanese Govern ment have so far not agreed ·to provide this THE MINISTER OF WATER loan. RESOURCES(SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) There is no organisation (c) The first unit of Sardar Sarovar River namad -Narmada Development Authority- Bed Power House is planned to be commis- 121 Witten Ans....,. 8HADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) . WnlIen An.... 122 siOned In September 1995 and lUbaeq"'nt (a) whether the Municipal Corporation units at an Interval of about four months. the of Delhi has set up Grievance Cells in differ sixth unit Is planned to be commissioned in ent Zones of Deihl; AprIl, 1997. (b) if SO, the details thereof; [TnJnSIation] (c) the number of complaints received in Payment of Bonus to DeIhl Home each CeD and the usual time taken to redress Guards Personnel those grievances; 6828. SHRI GOVINDA CHANDRA (d) whether the west Zone Complaint MUNDA: wiD the Minister of HOME AF CeD attends to the telephone caDs of persons FAIRS be pleased to state; desiring to lodge complaints over telephone (a) whether bonus is being paid to the and if not, the reasons therefor; personnel of the Delhi Home Guards wery year; and (e) whether any complaint has been (b) if not, the reasons therefor and the steps being taken to ensure the payment of received in this regard; and bonus to those personnel every year? (f) if so, the details thereof and the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE action being taken thereon? MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS M.M.JACOB): (a) and (b). Home Guards is AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS an organisation of volunteers and a nucleus TRY OF HOMEAFAIRS(SHRI M.M.JAOOB): of fuD time paid employees for command, (a) Yes, Sir. control and training, Delhi Home Guard Organisation is also based on the same (b) and (c). The Griwances CeDs have pattern, Since the Home Guards of Delhi are been set up in 12 Zones of the Munq,aJ volunteers, there is no provision in Home Corporation of Delhi. The number of com Guard ActIRules of Delhi Home Guards for plaints received from 1.3.90 to 31.7.91 in payment of bonus to them, However• ..so far these CeDs ara as follows; as the fuD time paid employees of Delhi Home guards are concerned, bonus is being Zone Number of ." paid regularly to them by Delhi Administra complaints .tion in accordance with the provision laid received down every year by the finance Ministry, of India. These employees have been Govt. City 0788 paid the bonus for the year 1989-90 vide Delhi Administration Finance (Budget) Deptt. C.LZ. 3099 Circular No. F-11 (i)J90-Fin. (b), dated 17th September, 1990. K.BL 1667 [English] Haj.Zone 1991 Grievance Cells of MCD Harela 2525 6829. SHRI YASHWANTRAO PATIl: H.DL 3254 WiD the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: S.PL 0819 123 Written AnS~1S SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnswelS 124 JACOB): (a) Of the 20 kidnapping reported Number of in Delhi during the months of July and Au complaints gust of this year, 3 cases were reported at received Delhi Junction and two at public places. 15 cases related to kidnapping of girls who had Shahd.(N and S) 1190 reportedly gone to schools/colleges but had not returned. South 0540 (b) 11 persons have been arrested and West 0873 15 girls recovered by Delhi Police. Rohini 1253 (c) Among the measures taken are surveillance of known criminals; increased The complaints are attended to expedi patrolling, proper investigation of reported tiously. cases, and, offering of rewards in some cases. Raids are also conducted in areas of (d) The Municipal Corporation of Delhi ill repute to trace out kidnapped girls. has reported that the West Zone Complaint Cen attends to the telephone calls of persons [English] desiring to lodge complaints. Abolition of LIcence Scheme on Manu (e) and (f) The MCD has further re facture of Cordless Telephone Instru ported that no such complaint has been ments received. 6831. SHRISUDHIRSAWANT:Willthe [Translation] Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: KIdnapping of Girls In Deihl (a) whether the Government propose to 6830. SHRI KARIA MUNDA: Will the abolish licence scheme on indigenously Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to manufactured Cordless Telephone instru state: ments; (a) the number of girls kidnapped from (b) if so, the details thereof; and Delhi Junction, New Delhi Railway Station, Delhi Airport and other important places like (c) the date from which the abolition colleges, schools and public places in Delhi scheme is likely to be effective? during July and August, 1991; THE MINISTER·OF STATE OF THE (b) whether the Delhi Police has played MINISTERYOFCOMMUNICATPNS(SHRI any important role in apprehending the crimi RAJESH PILOT): (a) to (c) The licencing nal gangs and recovering the girls in addition requirement for indigenously manufactured to their routine action; and cordless telephone instruments, type ap (c) the steps taken to check such crimes? proved by the Department of Telecom, has already been abolished with effect from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 8.8.1991. The users are now required to only MINISTRY OF PARlIAMENTARY AFFAIRS intimate the telecom authorities about the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS type and make of instruments installed by TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. them for use with departmental network. 125 Written Answ91S BHADAA.2·1, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnsW9IS 126 World Bank Assistance for Dlndl and tion at the national level is being contem Moosllrrlgatlon Projects In Andhra plated to conserve the top soil? Pradesh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6832. SHRI B. DHARMABIKSHAM: Will MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): (a) pleased to state: Conservation of top soil is an integral part of Soil and Water Conservation measures. (a) the details of the World Bank assis Knowledge of these measures and techno tance released so far for the Dindi and Moosi logical packages are disseminated through irrigation projects in Andhra Pradesh sepa agricultural extension and farm advice on rately, and TV, AIR, Newspaper and other media. (b) the present position of those proj (b) No, Sir. ects and the time by which those are likely to be completed? [ Trans/ation] THE MINISTER OF WATER RE Subarnarekha Multi-PurpoSe Project SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Moosi and Dindi sub Irrigation 6834. SHRI RAM BADAN: Will the Projects in Andhra Pradesh estimated to Minister of WATER RESOURCES be cost Rs. 3341akhs and Rs. 164lakhs respec pleased to state: tively, have baan approved under the World Bank assisted National Water Management (a) whether attention of the Govern Project. Uptil March, 1991 a sum of Rs. 39 ment has been drawn to the newsitem cap lakhs has baan released to Government of tioned ·Subarnarekha Pariyojana Par Phir Andhra Pradesh under the National Water Vivad-appearing in 'NavbharatTimes'dated Management Project. August 7,1991; (b) Work on these two sub-projects is in (b) if so, the reaction of the Government progreso Expenditure of Rs. 25.00 lakhs on thereto; Moosi and Rs. 15.00 lakhs on Dindi has already been incurred upto August, 1991. (c) whether complaints have been re Both the projects are targeted for completion ceived regarding misuse of financial assis by June, 1993. tance provided by the World Bank, and National Awareness on Conservation of (d) if so, the details thereof and the top Soli action taken thereon? 6833. SHRI ~ANGADHARA THE MINISTER OF WATER RE SANIPALLI: Will the Minister of AGRICUL SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN TURE be pleased to state: SHUKLA): (a) and (b). Subarnarekha MultI purpose Project obtained World Bank Assis (a) the steps taken to create national tance effective from January, 1983 to the awareness about cOnservation of top soil; tune of US Dollars 127 Million. The credit and was fully disbursed by August, 1989. Gov ernment of Bihar is in the process of identi (b) whether any comprehensive legisla- fying another phase of Subarnarekhs Multi- 127 Wii'Ien AllsIIWN'S SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Wrilten AIls_IS 128 purpose Project for further appraisal by the (3) MIs. Coastal Alumina Umited. Bank. The current indication Is that final appraisal depends on satisfactory imple (4) Shri K. SIYananda Reddy. mentation of re-settlement and rehabilitation policy; evolution of a programme for opti Since the proposals are at a preliminary mum water utilisation in the project and stage, project cost are not available. arranging clearance of the project from for est angle by the Government of Bihar. (c) No proposal from any country for . joint ventures has been received. (c) No such complaint has been re ceived. [TtanslationJ (d) Does not arise. Electronic Telephone Exchange In Pllibheet District of U.P. [English] 6836. DR. PARSHURAM GANGWAR: Setting up of Alumina Plants In Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Vlsakhapatnam and East Godavari pleased to state: Districts (a) whether the Government propose to 6835. SHRI M.V.V.S. MURTHI: Will the Instal electronic telephone exchange by Minister of MINES be pleased to state: replacing the old telephone exchange, PiI ibheet distrid of Uttar Pradesh; and (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Union Government for (b) if so, the details thereof? Hlling up of alumina plants In the tribal belt of East Godavari and Vlsakhapatnam Dis tricts; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRV OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) if 80, the details thereof aIongwith RAJESH PILOT): (a) Ves Sir. the proposed cost on the aaId plants; and (b) The existing telephone exchange In Cc) the countries which have offered at PUibheet Is planned for replacement by coIaborations therefor and the progress Electronic Exchange during 1992-93. III8de 80 far In this regard? (English] ntE MINISTER OF STATE OF ntE MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM Availability of Dhara Refined 011 SINGH YADAV): Ca) Yes, SIr. 6837. SHRIC.P. MUOALAGIRIYAPPA: (b) The following parties have appIed Wi. the Minister of AGRICULTURE be for l.etIe,. of Intent (LOI) for setting up of pleased to stale: 100% EOU Alumina Projects In the districts of East Godavary and Vlsakhapatnam: (a> whether Ohara refined DR Is not available In the market; and (1) MIL BIrIa Technical Services. (b). 80. the steps taken bytheGovem- (2) UI8. Kamataka T..... UrnIIed. ment for regular supply of Ohara refined 011 129 Wrilten An,Mn BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Wrilten An,.,. 130 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the steps taken by the Government MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI for expansion of the electronic telephone MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) exchange at Gulbarga, Karnataka; No, Sir. NDDB Is marketing refined mustard oil and refined groundnutoil under the Ohara (b) the progress made so far; and brand name in different markets of the coun try. Currently, there is no shortage of Ohara (c) the time by which it is likely to be refined edible oils in any of these markets. expanded? (b) In view of (a) above, the question THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE does not arise. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) The existing exchange [Translation] Is working at its full capacity and cannot be expanded. This exchange is planned to be Steel Stockyards In Bihar replaced by 5000 Lines Electronic exchange. 6838. SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: (b) Exchange equipment has been Will the Minister of STEEL be pleased to ordered for supply by MIs. ITI during early states: part of 1992-93. (a) the number of location of Steel Stock yards in Bihar at present; (c) The new 5000 Lines electronic ex change is likely to be commissioned during (b) whether the UnionGovernment have 1992-93. taken any decision for setting up of more such stockyards in that state; and [ Translation] (c) if so, the details thereof? New Equipment. for Telephone Ex THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE change In Agra MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN OEV): (a> There are three tockyard 6840. SHRI BH II r.: In Bihar and the locations are :- RAWAT: Will the Min. TIONS be pleased to SAIL : Bokaro Patna (a) whether any proposal is under c0n sideration of the Government for changing TISCO : Patna the outdated telephone exchange equip ments in Agra District of Uttar Pradesh, and (b) No, Sir. (c) Ooes not arise. (b) H so, the time by which new equip ments are likely to be installed? (English] THE MINITER OF STATE OF THE expansion of Electronic Telephone MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Exchange At Gul-rall, Karnataka RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, sir. 6839. DR. B.G. JAWALI: Win the Minis (b) (ij The electro-mechanical ex ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to chang •• at Etamadpur, Fatehbad. - .aaae: Jarar and Kheragarh are planned 131 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 132 to be replaced by el~ronic ex held in India without charge or trial under changes during 1991-92. special or preventive detention laws and that "increasingly, politically motivated arrests (ii) The out..cJated telephone ex were not officially acknowledged". The fig changes in Agra city will be re ures provided in the Report of persons under placed by modern exchanges pro detention are exaggerated and it is false to gressively during 1991-95. allege that there have been ·Politically moti vated- killings/unacknowledged arrests by [English] Government forces. Amnesty International Report, 1991 [ Translation] Census, 1991 6842. SHRI RAM KAPSE: SHRI RAM NAIK: 6843. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: DR. LAL BAHADUR RAWAL: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: FAIRS be pleased to state: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (a) whether the Government are aware pleased to state: of the Amnesty International Report, 1991 wherein it has been stated that an un-pre (a) the distribution of male and female cedented rise in violence and killings by population, male and female literacy rates, separatist groups in several regions of India density and growth rate of population as per was accompanied by a similar rise in politi the provisional figures of the 1991 Census, cally motivated killings by the Government State-wise and Union Territory-wise; and forces and detention of thousands of political prisoners under special or preventive deten (b) the population of various religions in tion laws; and the country according to the 1991 Census? (b) if so, the details thereof and the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reaction of the Government thereto? 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E .J ! ~ :J • 1 'ii ..:J !i I Ii c I ~ '" -I ~ j (:. :II I I ~ ~ ~ ~ i cD 0 0 ..,; N ~ ..,j iij - ..... yo- ..- ..- yo- 147 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 148 [ Translation) Limited during the last six months, and \ Shortfall In Production of Hlndustan (b) if so, the details thereof and the Copper Limited reasons there:or? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6845. SHRI RAM TAHAL CH MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM OUDHARY: Will the Minister of MINES be SINGH YADAV): (a) and (b). The copper pleased to state: production by Hindustan Copper Limited at its four units during March, 1991 to August, (a) whether the production has declined 1991 and for the corresponding period in the in various units of the Hindustan Copper previous year was as follows:- (Unit: Tonnes) Unit Production during Production during March -August, '91 March-August, '90 I. Khetri Copper Complex (KCC), Rajasthan i. Ore production. 815458 876684 ii. Chathodes (refined copper) 15474 9445 II. Indian Copper Complex (ICC), Ghatsila, Bihar i. ore production 580058 651316 ii. Cathodes (refined 6809 6949 copper) III. Malanjkhand Copper Project (MCP), Madhya Pradesh Ore production 954309 937962 IV. Continuous Cast Copper Wire Rod Plant, Taloja, Maharashtra CCRod 10421 8424 Thus,there has been a marginal decline in a) Fall in grade of ore at KCC. ore production at KCC and ICC and in metal production at ICC only. The main reasons for b) Unsatisfactory power supply position the shortfall have been a follows;- at ICC. 149 Written AnswelS BHADRA21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 150 [Eng/ish] (a) whether there is any proposal to expand the capacity of the Telephone Ex Anti India Propaganda by some Bangla changes at Hamirpur, Una and Bilaspur in desh News Papers Himachal Pradesh; and 6846. SHRI ARJUN CHARAN SETHI: (b) if so, the details thereof? Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI (a) whether the Government are RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. aware of certain anti-India propaganda being carried out by some Bangladesh news pa (b) The details are as under; pers for the last few years; and Hamirpur. The existing tele (b) if so, the steps taken by the Gov phone exchange has ernment at the diplomatic level in this re- been planned to be o gard? replaced by a main electronic exchange of 1500 lines during THE MINITER OF STATE IN THE 1993-94. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRD): (a) Government are Una and Bilaspur.Theexitingtelephone aware that some newspaper articles and exchanges have ben reports in Bangladesh do not refled an planned for expan adequate understanding of developments in sion during 1992-93 india. by adding one unit of 512 port electronic (b) Our High Commission in Dhaka exchange at each keeps in constant touch with various news station. papers and opinion makers in Bangladesh and regularly brief them on various develop Compensation to Farmers for AcquisI ments in India and on matters having a tion of Land bearing on Indo-Bangladesh relations. With the advent of a democratic Government in 6848. SHRI JANARDAN MISHRA: Will Bangladesh we are hopeful that the tradi the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased tionally friendly relations between our two to state: countries will improve further. Increased contracts, both at the official and private (a) whether the Government propose to levels, will promote mutual understanding provide adequate compensation to the farm and result in better appreciation of each ers whose lands are acquired by the Govern other's concerns. ment institutions; and Expansion of Telephone Exchange In (b) if so, the details thereof? Himachal Pradesh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6847. PROF. PREM DHUMAL: WiD MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHRI the Minister of COMMUNICATION be MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) pleased to state: and (b). The information is being collected 151 Written AnswetS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Wrilten AnsMHS 152 and WIll be laid on the Table of the Sabha. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Cellular Telephone. In Bombay AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 6849. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: JACOB): (a) The provision of parking facili Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be ties in the Union territory of Delhi is primarily pleased to stale: he concem of civic bodies. The parking facilities are not commensurate with the (a) whether the Govemment have a number of vehicles in Delhi. Both the Munici proposal to instal cellular phones in Bom pal Corporation of Delhi and New Delhi bay; Municipal Committee have, however. re ported that there is no exploitation of car and (b) if so, the total outlay for introdudion two-wheeler owners by unauthorised per of this service and the foreign exchange sons in the parking lots under their control. component involved therein; and (b) The New Delhi Municipal Committee (c) whether the Government propose to has plans to set up 9 more parking lots. The scrap this proposal in view of the prevailing Municipal Corporation of Delhi has plans to economic situation in the country.? set up3 underground/multi-level parking lots. The rates of parking are determined by the concerned civic bodies. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI Fire Incidents In Visakhapatnam Stee. RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). A proposal to Plant provide this facility to registrants in foreign exchange is under consideration in consul 6851. SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA tation with Ministry of Finance. The matter is RAO VADDE: WiD the Minister of STEEL be in the preliminary state of examination and pleased to stale: details are yet to be worked out. (a) the number of fire incidents occurred (c) No, Sir. All aspects of the proposal in the Visakhapatnam Steel Plant during last are under examination. three years; and Parking Facilities In Deihl (b) the reasons therefor and the meas ures taken by the Govemmentto preventth. 68S0.SHRIRAJNATHSONKARSHAS recurrence of such incidents? TAl: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH (a) whether car and two-wheeler own MOHAN DEy): (a) The total number of flra ers In Delhi find it diflicull to park their ve incidents during the last three years, I... hicles and are being exploited by unauthor 1988 to 1990 was 284. Ised persons at parking lots: and (b) The incidents occurred dua to the (b) if so, whether there Is any proposal sparks of weldlnglgas cutting operations to provide adequate parking sites and to being carried out by multiple agencies en prescrI)e uniform rale of parking aD overtha gaged In construction, failing on conveyor city? bel. waste jute, waste packing material. .-' 153 Written AnsW61S BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 154 minor electrical short circuits and spontane (b) if SO, the details thereof, and ous combustion of coal etc. The Manage ment has taken extensive measures in terms (c) the contribution made by the existing of intensive fire vigilance, elaborate network Research Centres in Keralii for develop of fire detection and alarm and protection ment of agriculture in the State? systems throughout the plant besides edu cating employees in avoiding fire incidents THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and effective fire fighting. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. lENKA): Ca) No Sir. Entry of Multi-National Companies In Poultry Industries (b) Does not arise. 6852. SHRI BUOY KRISHNA HAN Cc) The existing research centres in DlQUE: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE Kerala have developed around 50 improved be pleased to state: varieties of various horticultural and planta tion crops, viz. 7 in Coconut, 3 in Arecanut. (a) whether a large number of multi 4 in Cashewnut, 8 in black-pepper,4 in small national companies are trying to enter the Cardamom, 1 in ginger, 3 in turmeric 1 in poultry industries in collaboration with major pumpkin, 18 in tuber crops and 1 in lemon Indian industrial houses; grass. The Centres have also developed production technologies and coconut based (b) if so, the details thereof; cropping systems which have contributed towards increased productivity and income. (c) whether the Government have as sessed the impact of entry of these mUlti [ Translation] nationals on small and marginal farmers in the country; and Electronics Telephone Exchanges In GuJarat (d) the steps taken by the Government to protect the Indian Poultry Industries? 6854. SHRI CHANDUBHAI DESHMUKH: Will the Minister of COMMU NICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. (a) the number of telephone exchanges LENKA): (a) No, Sir. in Surat, Baroda and Bharauch districts of Gujarat separately and the number of elec (b) to (d). Does not arise. tronic exchanges out of them; and New Research Centre. In Kerala (b) the details of the exchanges ofthose districts likely to be converted into electronic 6853. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the exchanges during the current year? Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) whether the Indian Council of Agri RAJESH PilOT): (a> The number of tele cultural Research (ICAR) propose to set up phone exchanges in Surat, Baroda and new Research Centres for cash and horticul Bharauch districts of Gujarat as on 31.8.91 tural crops in Karala; are 52, 55 and 33 respectively. The number 155 Wtinen AnsMIIS SEPTEMBER 12.1991 WItten Ans..,. 156 of alectronic exchanges out them are 14. 11 (b) Details ara given in the attached and 8 respectively. Statement. STATEMENT DetsJIs of Exchanges /icBly to be conllflfted Into eIscttonic exchange In Surat. 8aJOda Md Bharauchd during 1991-92. Name of Distrkf Electromechanical Manual Total Surat 15 7 22 Baroda 12 5 17 Bharauch 10 6 16 [English) New Talephone Connections In Trlvan drum and Alleppey Districts of Kerala Forged Paaaports and Fak. Travailing Documents 6856.SHRIMATISUSEELAGOPALAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATION be 6855. DR. G.L KANAWIA: WiD the pleased to stale: Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plaased to state: (a) the number of parsons on the waiting fist for new telephone connections in KUi (a) whether forged passports and faka manur and Venjaramood in Trivandrum dis travelling docume .. were used by a large trict and S.L Puram in Alleppay district ason number of Indians who went abroad espe July 31, 1991; ciaIy to Eruopean countries during the last one year; and (b) the time by which the waiting list Is Nicely to be cleared; (b) if so, the details thereof and the remedial measures contemplated by the (c) whether there is any proposal to Govemment thereon? provide STD facUity In those exchanges; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) If so, the'details thereof; and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (8) No, Sir. (e) If not, the reasons therefor? (b) 303 cases of forgery in passports were detected bY the immigration authorltlel THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE In 1990 which is not large compared to the MINISTRY OF COMMUNIC.AOONS (SHRI number of Indians who travel abroad. To RAJESH PILOT): minimise ~ence of forgery More Secured passports with additianaIsecurily featur.. (a) The wailing Iii position .. on were INroduced In India from August 1_. 31.7.199111; 157 WItten An• ..,. BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) WtIIen AnaweIs 158 K11lmanur 130 allow colouring and flavouring d margarine due to increase In the price d buller; Vengaramood 59 (b) Hso, the details thereof; S.L Puram 282 (c) whether NDDB propose to Impart (b) The expansion plans have been plant and machinery for setting up a modern drawn for clearing the waiting list progres plant for the manufacture d margarine; and sively by March, 1995. (d) if SO, the value of plant and machin (c) and (d). Yes, Sir, Kilimanur & S.L. ery and the country from where It is likely to Puram are expected to be provided STD be imported? during 1991-92. Venjaramood Is expected to be provided STD during 1992-93. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. (e) Does not arise. LENKA): (a) and (b). A proposal to dow colouring and flavouring of margarine ... Payment of Royalty-on Minerals to considered by the Government and It ... Madhya Pradeah not agreed to. 6857. SHRI ARVIND NETAM: Win the (c) No, Sir. Minister of MINES be pleased to state: (d) Does not arise. (a) whether the royalty for extraction of ... of Iron Scrap from Blat Fur... various minerals has been fully paid to the Slag Dump by Bhllal Steel Plant Govemment of Madhya Pradesh till June, 1991; and 6859. SHRI CHANDULAL CHAN DRAKAR: Win the Minister of STEEL be (b) if not, the reasons therefor? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) the total amount earned from the MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALAAM sale of Iron Scrap from Blast Furnace Slag SINGH YADAY): (a) and (b). Royalty on Dump by Bhilai St.. 1 Plant during the last minerals extracted accrue to the State three years; Govemments concemed and it is payable by the holder of the mining lease. Since the (b) whether It was sold through COIdrW> Central Government does not operate any tors; and mine directly, it does not pay royalty on minerals to any State Government including (c) • so, the profiIsIIosaea IncumId ." Govemment of Madhya Pradesh. the BhOai Steel Plant during the Ibcwe pe riod by serung through contractors? Colouring and flavouring of Margarine THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6858. SHRI SOMJIBHAI DAMOR: WiD MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased MOHAN DEY): (a) The amoUnt earned from to state: the sale of Iron Scrap from Blast Fu ..... Slag Dump by BhllaJ sa ... Plant during the (a) whether the Govemment prqIOSe to last th .... yeara In as under: 159 Wrilten AnSW81S SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Wrilten AnSMHS 160 Contract year Amount received (Rs.) (VaI'!9 in Lakhs) 1. 14.4.88 to 13.4.89 756.75 2. 14.4.89 t013.4.90 1129.30 3. 17.4.90 to 16.4.91 1240.42 (b) Iron Scrap from the Blast Furnace room was purchased by NAFED under the Slag Dump is sold through contractors by Market Intervention Scheme during 1990-91 inviting open tenders on an all India basis for @ Rs. 22/- per Kg. composite contracts of recovering, removal and lifting of scrap. (c) and (d). The Market Intervention Price of Rs. 22/- per Kg. was fixed in consul (c) As the scrap content in the slag tation with the State Government of Haryana dump is not assigned a separate cost, it is to save the Farmers from distress sales. The not possible to reflect the profit on recovery prevailing market rates were lower than the of scrap, separately. The sale proc9edS from market intervention price. the sale of iron scrap from Blast Furnace Slag Dump add to the income/profit of the Public Telephone Facility to all Post Company. Offices In Slkklm Mushroom Purchased by NAFED 6861. SHRIMATI OIL KUMARI BHAN DARI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA 6860. SHRI K. V. THANGKABALU: TIONS be pleased to state: Win the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether public telephone facility is available in all pot offices/sub post offices in (b) Their numbers sub post office-wisel tions has plannedto provide telephonefacili Branch post office-wise in each district are ties in all village Panchayats during 1991-95. furnished in the statement attached. These telephones will be located at post offices, panchayat office, Grocer's s'hops or (c) The Department of Telecommunica- other places with public access. STATEMENT District Departmental Extra Departmental Extra Departmental Sub-Office. Sub-Office. Branch Office. EastSikkim 11 2 2 WestSikkim 2 nil 2 North Sikkim 5 nil South Sikkim 3 nil Freedom Fighters' Pension to Malabar strike are not eligible for pension. Special Armed Police establishment of Irrigation Develop 6862. SHRI K. MURALEE DHARAN: ment Bank Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 6863. SHRI H.D. DEVEGOWDA: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be (a) whether the applications for the grant pleased to state: of freedom fighters' pension from the re trenched Mal~r Special Armed Police (a) whether there is any proposal forthe (MSAP) personnel for disobeying the British establishment of an Irrigation Development orders during freedom movement are still Bank to mobilise resources for speedy pending; and completion of on-going irrigation projects in the country; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the time by which these applications are likely to (b) if so, the details thereof? be finalised? THE MINISTER OF WATER RE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN MINISTRY OF PARlIAMENTARY AFFAIRS SHUKLA): (a) and (b). A proposal for setting AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS up of an Irrigation Finance Corporation to TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. provide funds for the expeditious completion JACOB): (a> and (b). The Malabar Special of nationally important projects was recom Armed Police Strike has not been recog mended by the Working Group on Major and nised as a part of the national freedom Medium irrigation Programme for inclusion struggle for the purposes of pension under in the VIII Plan. The proposal is to provide the Central Freedom Fighters' pension resources by the Central Government to the Scheme. As such, participants in the said Corporation in shape of equity and loans. SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 F~ • Is pIOpOHd that the Corporation Telephone Exchange. would be glv8n authority to ...... rasourcars fran domestic and Internlllional financial 6865. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Will .,.. u ... u market borrowings. As the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be the Planning Commission, hu not favoured pleased to stille: 1M UttIng up of such a Corporation, an alternative hu been proposed, thai is to (a) the number of telephon ••xchanges unct.take a echeme for providing epeciaI in diff.... nt stat •• and the four Metropolitan ....stance for the expedlllous completion of eIIes .. on June 30, 1991; Nationally Important Irrigation Projects. (b) the types of .xchanges (Electronic, AdvI80ly ComrnIttM to Improve func Manual etc.) percentage of utilisation of tioning of Paaport 0ffIce8 switching facility as on June 1, 1991; 6864. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: (c) the demand for n.w telepho!'es in Win the Miniat ... of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be OYT and Non-OYT categories as onJune1. pleased to state: 1990, separately; (a) wheth ... the Govemment propsoeto (d) the percentage of growth rat. of new constitute Advisory Committees conslsti~ demand during the last three years; of eminent local personaJitJes to Improve the functioning of the passport officn in the (e) the number and the percentage of country; and such d.mand which Is being m.t annually; and (b) If 10, the cIetaIs thereof and the time (f) the steps proposed to m.et the by which such commltl... "lytobeconsti d.mand for telephone connections and lUted? .xchanges and the inv.stment required? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). The informa EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). It is pr0- tIon .. on 1.4.91 Is given in Statem.nt I and posed to constitute a Pusport Advisory II enclosed. . Commltt.. attached to uch Passport Office In india u early .. poalble for closer Inter (c) The Information Is given in statem.nt action between publlcmen and passport III enclosed. OffIcers, to monllor pubic grievances more 8CCUI'Id8Iy and to ftICOIIUnend remedial (d) The percentage growth rate Is as measures. under u on 31st MaId1: 1988-89 5.07 9.97 1989-90 7.12 12.73 1990-91 7.32 11.58 165 Wnlten An.WIS BHADRA21,1913(SAKA) W,." AnsweIs 166 (e) The number and the percentage of such demand met annually is as under: Year No. of Telephone Petr:entage of new pIOvided demand met annually 1988-89 3.741akhs 73.n 1989-90 4.151akhs 58.29 1990-91 4.881akhs 66.67 (f) The draft Plan forthe period 1990-95 phone exchange of capacity 5000 lines and has been formulated with an objective to above. provide (by March, 1995) telephones on An investment of As. 11,950 crores at demand in Telephone Exchanges of capac 1989-90 prices for local telephone system ity below 5000 line and to contain the wailing has been proposed during the period 1990- period, on an average, to one year in tele- 95. STATEMENT ·1 Name of Mstl'OpOlitan No. of telephone exchqes CitieslStates as on 1.4.1991 Metl'OpOHtan cities 1. Delhi 70 2. Bombay 84 3. Calcutta 68 4. Madras STATES 1. Andhra Pradesh 2010 2. Assam 217 3. Bihar 461 4. Gujarat including Daman & 1026 Diu, DadaraJNagar Haveli 5. Haryana 411 6. Himachal Pradesh 311 167 Written AnsW91S SEPTEMBER 12.1991 Written Answe1S 168 Name of MettOpOlitan No. of telephone exchanges CitieslStates as on 1.4.1991 7. Jammu & Kashmir 140 8. Kamataka 1631 9. Kerala including Lakshdeweep 649 10. Madhya Pradesh 1263 11. Maharashtra including Goa 1625 but excluding Bombay 12. North East (Arunachal Pradesh. 169 Mizoram. Meghalaya. Nagaland Manipur. Tripura) 13. Orissa 471 14. Punjab including Chandigarh 543 15. Rajasthan 882 16. Tamil Nadu including 1244 Pondicherry but excluding Madras 17. Uttar Pradesh 1246 18. West Bengal incluqing Sikkim 473 State and Andaman & Nic:obar Islands but excluding Calcutta. 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III C• CJ• "0 I! i I ~ .-m N ~ Q j In I t'I) "Ie § :I- ~ CD ~ .- -3Q!~ I 3c °iil u 0 -= .5Z S l~ ~~ is .- .- ~ ~ C\I ! i () ...N BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Witten Answts 182 PlI ..... on Indo-Burma Iorder (c) if so, the details thereof? 6866. SHRI DWARKA NATH DAS: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTRY AFFIRS to state: AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFIARS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) Indo-Burma (Myanmar) border (a) the number of pillars along Indo in Manlpur sector Is defined by 99 Boundary Burma border in Manipur: Pillar positions. 9 plUar positions in Kabew VaHey are yet to be finalisedlconstructed. (b) whether some of the pilars have (b) and (c). A statement showing details been displaced from their original places; of missing. damaged or uprooted plUars is and attached. STATEMENT Details of Missing. Uptooted and Damaged Pillars Missing Pillars (a) MaIn pillars: 47.59,61,66,76,78 a 116 (b) Subsidiary 3793),48(1),48(2),48(3) pillars 49(10, 49(2),49(3), 59(10, & 59(2) Uprooted Pillars: Subsidiary 41(1),42(2> a 45 (2). pillars: Damaged Pillars: (a> MaIn pillars: 36, 71, 79 & 83 (b) Subsidiary 37(1) a 38(1). pilafS: [Tnrns/ation) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Guldelln•• for Ho.... ng of National Flag AND MINISTER OF STATE IN ntE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS SHRI M.M. 6867. SHRI KALKA DAS: Will the Min JACOB): (a) and (b). The guldeUnes issued !sterol HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: to all State Govemmental U.T. Administra tions for celebration mthe Independence (a) the guldeUnes Issued to the State Day lnc:Iude ceremonial unfurUngJhoisting of Govemments by the Union Govemment on the Nlllonai Rag at State, DIstrIct, Sub hoisting of the National Flag In Govemment DivIsionallBlock and Panchayat levels. A Organisations on the occasions of Inde regards Republic Day, the pattem of cele pendence Day and RepublIc Day; and bration In the capital Is indicated and the Stale GovammentsllJ.T. Administrations are (b) the steps taken to ensure stricI requeated to ensure that • Is suitably cele compliance of those guideBnes? brated throughout the country. 1 B3 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnswelS 184 The guidelines are to be followed by the Unauthorised Construction. and State GovernmentsAJ.T. Administrations. Encroachments In Deihl [English] 6870.SHRIARJUN SINGHYADAV:Will South African Tourists the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 6868. SHRI RAM PRAKASH CHAUDHARY: Will the Minister of EXTER (a) whether the Delhi Police is vested NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: with the responsibility of checking unauthor ised constructions and encroachments on (a) whether the Government propose to the public land; permit South African tourists to visit India; and (b) if so, the reasons for the large-scale unauthorised constructions and encroach (b) if so, the details thereof? ment on the public land coming up in Delhi; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether there is any proposal to MINISTRYOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI book the responsible police and civic offi EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). South cials who have failed to check the coming up African tourists of Indian origin do not require of the unauthorised constructions and en visas for entry into India. As far as other croachments on the public land; and South African tourists are concerned, the Commonwealth Committee of Foreign Min (d) if so, the details thereof? isters on South Africa, in it forthcoming meeting in New Delhi, will deliberate on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE subject of grant of visas to South African MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS nationals. AND MINISTER OF TATE IN THE MIN STRY OF HOME AFFAIRS(SHRI M.M. Closure of PouHry Farms JACOB): (c) the steps taken by Government in (a) whether the Indian Embassy in Boon this regard? have received several representations from German industries during the current years: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUTLURE (SHRI K.C. (b) whether some of the industries have LENKA): (a) to (0). The information is being preferred their claims against their collabo- . coIIacted and will be laid on the table of the rators in India on account of some false . Sabha. statements; 185 Wrilten Ans""" BHADRA21,1913(SAKA) Wrilten AnswetS 188 (c) If so, the details thereof; and Armed Force. (Special Powers) Act (d) the action contemplated by the 6873.SHRISYEDSHAHABUDDIN:WilI Government thereof? the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS(SHRI ea) the States and Union Territories EDUARDU FALEIRO): (a) No, Sir. The In where the Armed Forces eSpecial Powers) dian Embassy in Bonn has not received any Act is in force; representation from German industries dur ing 1991, other than commercial complaints (b) whetherthe exercise of special power which are dealt with according to the usual by the armed forces have given rise to any procedures. allegation of use of excessive and unjustified forces against individuals and/or groups in (b) to (d). Does't arise Sir. any State; Ban on Cow Siaught... (c) whether the Government have en quired into these allegations, and 6872. SHRISYEDSHAHABUDDIN:WiII the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (d) if so, the outcome thereof? to state: . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the states and Union Territories which MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS have enacted legislation to prohibit cow AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS slaughter and whether such laws In some TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. Slates cover cows, bulls, bullocks and even JACOB): ea) to (d). Information Is being buffaloes of all ages; collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) the State-wise list of cattle, otherthat milch-cows, which are covered by the ban; HAJ House. Bombay (c) whether the State Governments and 6874. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN:WiU U.T. Administration concerned have made the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be arrangements for he maintenance of old pleased to state: cattle which are covered by ban, after they are no longer of any economic value to their (a) whether the Haj House, Bombay has owners; and been ciampleted; (d) if so the estimate number of such (b) if so, the total cost of the project; cattle maintained by the StatelU.T. 's and the estimated expenditure thereon during 1990- (c) if not, the expenditure incurred tin 91? March 31, 1991; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) whether it is owned by the Govem MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. ment or by the Haj Committee or any other LENKA): (a) to (d). Thelnformatiortis being body; coIIacted and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (e) whetherther8 Is any scheme for the 187 Wfitten Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 188 managementofthe House and whether such Production of Peddy In k ....,. a scheme has been legally formalised; 6875. SHRI KODIKKUNNIL (f) the total usable floor space available SURESH: in the House; SHRI T.J. ANJALOSE: (g) the floor space occupied by the Haj Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Committee for Its own use and for the pil pleased to state: grims, separately; (a) the quantity of paddy produced dur ing the last three years in Kerala; (h) the floor space under lease; (b) whether production of paddy in Kerala is decreasing annually; and (i) the floor space leased to private parties which provide service to pilgrims and (c) H so, the reasons therefor? other private parties, separately; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mthe monthly rent earned as on March MINISmV OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 31,1991;and MULLAPPALL V RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The production of rice in Kerala during the (k) the budget of the House for 1990-91 last three years is as follows; and estimates for 1991·92 under major heads of income and expenditure? Year Production of Rice (Lakh Tonnes) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1988-89 10.06 MINISmVOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) 'No. Sir. The 1989-90 10.49 works on account of plumbing, electricity. aircondltioning and some civil works like 1990-91 (likely) 10.69 laying of road etc. are yet to be completed. (b) and (c). Growth rate of production of paddy in Kerala during 1980-81 to 1989-90 (b) Does not arise. was observed as -3.07 per cent per annum. The decline in production of paddy in Kerala (c) As. 76.413,761 and paise 44 wa mainly on account of shift in area under paddy crop to other cash crops like coconut. (d) The HaJ Committee. condiments and spices, etc. (e) No, Sir. [Translation) (1) Information being collected. Reservation Cell' In MTNL, DeIhl for SCI STEmploye.. (g). (h), (i) & (j) Do not arise as the house hu not been completed. 6876. SHRI RAMACHANDRA VEER APPA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA (k) Information being conected. TIONS be pleased to state: 189 Written Answets BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answets 190 (a) whether there is any 'Reservation THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Cell' in Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI Delhi to take care of the complaints of Sched RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Whereas the uled Castes/Scheduled Tribes employees; Postal Advisory Committee for this Union Territory is already constituted, the Tele (b) if so, the details thereof; phone Advisory Cc mmittee is in the process of being constituted. (c) whether any complaints regarding their problems have been received during Investigation of case by Central Bureau 1989-90; and of Investigation (d) if so, the details thereof and number 6878. SHRI v. eHREENIVASA of complaints resolved out of them? PRASAD SHRI RAJv·E'·.:" 8!t':3H: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI RAJENDRA AG· MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI NIHOTRI: RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A SHRI DATTATRAYA BAN 'SC/ST Cell' comprising of one Liaison Offi DARU: cer of the rank of Deputy General Manager, SHRI SUDARSAN one Deputy Liaison Officer of the rank of RAYCHAUDHURI: Assistant General Manager with Secretariat DR. RAM CHANDRA DOME: staff is functioning in Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Ltd., Delhi. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) and (d): Yes, Sir. A total of 34 com (a) whether the Central Bureau of In plaints of general nature concerning service vestigation is yet to complete the investiga matters were received during 1989-90. All tion in respect of the case R.C. no. 37(A).89 these complaints were sent to the concerned DLI registered over two years ago; authorities alongwith appropriate directions from the 'SC/ST Cell' for re-dressal. All 34 (b) if so, the details thereof alongwith cases stand resolved. the reasons for the delay; and [English) Cc) the steps taken to expedite it? Constitution of Telecom. and Postal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Advisory Committees MIN ISlRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS 68n. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be JACOB): (a) to (c). The information is being pleased to state: collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (a) whether the Telecommunications and Postal Advisory Committees for the Scheme for Development of Agriculture Union Territory of Andaman and Nicobar InOrI888 Islands have been constituted; and 6879. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI: (b) if not, the time by which such Com Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be mittees are likely to be constituted? pleased to state: 191 Written AnSWfHS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnSwelS 192 (a ) whether the Orissa State Agro In (a) whether any proposal for amend dustries Corporation has submitted any ment of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands scheme for agricuhural development in the (Municipal Board) Regulations 1957 has been State to NABARD for clearance; forwarded by the Andaman and Nicobar Islands Administration to the Union Govem (b) if so, the details thereof; and ment; and (c) the steps taken for early clearance of the scheme? (b) if so, the details thereof and the action taken thereon? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL TURE(SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): (a) MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS No,Sir. AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS (b) and (c) . Question do not arise. TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). In 1989, the Andaman Gularat Public Works Contracts DI. and Nicobar administration sent a proposal putes Arbitration Tribunal Ordinance to the Ministry of Urban Development to amend the Andaman and Nicobar Islands 6880. SHRI SHANKERSINH (Municipal Board) RegUlations, 1957thereby VAGHELA: Will the Minister of HOME AF increasing the number of members of the FAIRS be pleased to state: Municipal Board, increasing the term of the Municipal Board, providing for direct elec (a) whether the Gujarat pubiic works tions forthe Chairman of the Municipal Board, Contracts Disputes Arbitration Tribunal increasing the term of office of the Chairman Ordinances is pending with the Union Gov of the Board and to lower the age of voters emment;and from 21 years to 18 years. (b) if so, the reasons for the delay in Necessary amendments to lower the according clearance to the said Ordinance age of voters from 21 years to 18 years have and the time by which it is likely to becleared? been carried out THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Pollution due to Rele.se of Effluents by MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Hlndu.tan Zinc Limited AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 6882. SHRI M.V.V. S. MURTHI: JACOB): (a> and (b). No, Sir. The previous SHRI SOBHANADREES instructions of the president for the promul WARA RAO VADDE: gation of the Gujarat Public Works Contracts Disputes Arbitration Tribunal Ordinance, Will the Minister of MINES be pleased 1989 have been conveyed to the State to state: Govemment on 4.9.1991. (a) whether the effluents released by Andaman and Nlcobar Islands (MunicI the Hindustan Zinc Limited (HZL) in pal Board) R.gulatlons1957 Visakhapatnam Is causing air and water pollution; 6881. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: WiD the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (b) If so, the remedial steps taken by the pleased to state: HZL in this regard; and 193 Written AnSWfHB BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Wrilten Answets 194 (c) if not, the reasons thereof? (b) if 80, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) the follow up adion taken by the MINISmV OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM Government on those recommendations? SINGH VADAV): (a) Liquid effluents and Gaseous emissions released by Hindustan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Zinc Limited conform to the standards pre MINISTRV OF AGRICUL TURE(SHRI scribed by Andhra Pradesh Pollution Control MULLAPPALLV RAMACHANDRAN): (a> Board. and (b). A Minister of State in the Ministry of Agriculture visited several areas of Kalahandi (b) In the Smelter of Hindustan Zinc and Phubanidistricts of Orissa in July, 1991 Limited at Visakhapatnam, Sulphur Dioxide to review the prevailing rainfall and crop Gas produced during smelting of zinc and situation, the readiness of the district admini lead is convered into Sulphuric Acid. The stration to tackle the situation and the imple liquid effluents from the Lead and Zinc mentation of various development pro Smelter Plant, after being treated in the grammes. Effluent Treatment Plant, is discharged and this effluent conforms to the Standards pre (c) The State Government of Orissa has scribed by the Andhra Pradesh Pollution been advised to make an indepth study of Control Board. The treated effluents from the Area Development Approach for Poverty treatment plant conform to be tolerance limits Termination programme. of Andhra Pradesh Pollution Control Board in terms of ph, suspended solids and metals [ Translation] like Zinc, Lead, Cadmium, Copper, Murcury Arsenic etc. Sulphur Dioxide content of Aluminium Factory at Latahar In Bihar gaseous emission is maintained below 2000 PPM prescribed by Andhra Pradesh Pollu 6884. SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA: tion Control Board. Hindustan Zinc Limited Will the Minister of MINES be pleased to has invested Rs. 16 erares on installation of state: effluent treatment plant and other measures not only to contain pollution within the per (a) whether the Birla Group have ob missible limit blJt to further reduce the same. tained lease for setting up of an aluminium Recurring expenditure is Rs. 1.5 crores per f&dory in the bauxite located area of Latehar annum. in Bihar; (c) Does not arise. (b) if so, the details thereof; Developmental Programme. for (c) whether the Union Govemment Drought Affected District. In Orl... propose to set up an aluminium fadory in Latehar; and 6883. SHRI RABI RA V: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: Cd) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether the Minister of State for THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE agriculture visited drought affected distrids MINISmV OF MINES ~SHRI BALAAM in Orissa to review the implementation of SINGH VADAV): (a> to (d). The information various developmental programmes in the is being colleded and wUI be laid on the area; Table of the House. 195 Writt9n AnsW91S SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Wrltt9n AnsW91S 198 Soyabaan Cultivation locating mineral deposits in Maharashtr:a and Madhya Pradesh; and 6885. SHRI VISHWANATH SHASTRI: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (b) if so, the details thereof including the pleased to state: names of the places where mining work has been started? (a) whether the Government propose to formulate any scheme to encourage Soy THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE abean cultivation in Bihar during the current MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH year; MOHAN DEV):(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. National Mineral Development Corporation Limited (b) if so, the details thereof; and (NDMC) has been carrying out exploration in the State of Madhya Pradesh only, for devel (c) the total production of Soyabean opmentof:- likely to be achieved in Bihar by end of the (i) Iron Ore Depqsits No. 10& 111 current year? Bin Bailadila range of Bastar District. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHRI (li) Diamonds in Panna District. MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) No new mine could be devel and (b). A Centrally Sponsored Scheme; oped in the absence of any namely, 'Oilseed Production Programme' is viable deposit. in operation in Bihar to increase the produc tion of oilseeds including soyabean. This [ Trans/ation] scheme provides financial assistance to the State Government fer basic key inputs like Relief to Families of Terrorist Victims In production and distribution of seed, plant Punjab protection measures, demonstrations, rhizobium cu~ure, improved farm implements 6887. SHRI VILASRAO NAG etc. NATHRAO GUNDEWAR: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to stato: (c) The likely production of soyabean during 1990-91 is assessed nt 10.000 ton (a) the details of the ex-gratia amount nes. However, Kharif 1991 crop is still in the paid to the families of the victims of terrorists field. violence in punjabduringthe last six months, month-wise; [Eng/ish] (b) whether some of the families have not been paid any such amount; Extraction of Minaratln Maharash (c) if so, the details thereof; and tra and Madhya Pradesh (d) the time by which they are likely to 6886. SHRI VILASRAO NAGNATHRAO be paid the ex-gratia amount? GUNDEWAR: Will the Minister of STEEL be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (a)wh')ther the National Mireral Devel AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS opment Corporatior has undertaken any TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M exploration work during the last two years for JACOB): (a) to (d). The information is being 197 Wrlrten An.w,. BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written An,well 198 collected and will be laid on the Table of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE House. MINISTRV OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b) A target of [English] 11800 lines not addition of telephone switch ing capacity and providing of 11 000 tele Alleged Contravention of NWDT DIrec phone connections was set for Orissa forthe tions by Gujarat year 1990-91. The shortfall In the net addi tion of switching capacity was due to inade 6888. SHRI ARVIND NETAM: Will the quate supply of equlpments. Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: Opening of Post Offices at Palakkad District In Kerele (a) whether the Government of Gujarat has contravened the directions of the Nar 6890. SHRI V.S. VIJAVARAGHAVAN: mada Water Disputes Tribunal about reha Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be bilitation of the oustees before starting the pleased to state: construction work; and (a) whether the Union Government have (b) if so, whether the Union Government any proposal to open more post office in propose to issue directives to the Govern Palakkad district of Kerala; and ment of Gujarat in this regard? (b) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF WATER RESOURCES(SHRI VIDVACHARAN THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHUKLA): (a) and (b). No, Sir. The oustees MINISTRV OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI of the Sardar Sarovar Project are required to RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. be issued notices six months before sub mergence, during which period all neces (b) At present the under mentioned sary steps should have been taken for their proposals for opening of branch post [~" .~s resettlement. Till now no submergence has in Palakkad (Palghat) districts o~ l/~r?l~ :>.re occured on account of project construction. under examination ard I,l1eir sa'f:tion is A programme for rehabilitation and resettle subject to justification ar"j f'Jlflirnent of norms ment of the oustees has already been drawn prescribe in this regard. up by the Government of Gujarat and Is under implementation. (i) Attempathy expansion of Telephone Exchange. In (ii) Kuttipallam Orissa (iii) Peringannur. 6889. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased Expansion of Telephone Exchanne. In to state: Palakkad District of Kerala (a) whether the target for expansion of 6891. SHRI V.S. VIJAVARAGHAVAN: telephone exchanges in Orissa during 1990- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 91 has been fully achieved; and ploased to state: (b) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether the Government have any 199 Written AnSW81S SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written AnSW8IS 200 proposal to expand the existing telephone (c) Does not arise. exchanges in Palakkad district of Kerala; and Speed Post Services In Karnataka (b) if so, the details thereof? 6893. SHRI S.B. SIDNAl: Will the Min ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state the cities in Karnataka where Speed THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Post service facilities is available as on date? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) i) Out of total 62 existing telephone MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI exchanges in Palakkad (Palghat) District of RAJESH PILOT): Speed Post Service is KeraIa, expension of 57 telephone exchanges available in following cities in Karnataka: have been planned, during current plan period. 1. Under National Net Work: (ii) The remaining 5 telephone ex BangaJare. Mysore. Manga changes have been expanded recently. lore. Construction of Building for Post 2. Under point to point to serv OffIces ice: Hubli. Belgaum. Manipal. Dharwad and Ranebennur. 6892. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA Telephone Facility In Post Offlces of TIONS be pleased to state: Karnatau (a) whether a ""mber of post offices are 6894. SHRf S.B. SIDNAL: Will the functioning in smll houses in various parts Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased of the country; to state: (b) if so, whether the Government pr0- pose to construct building for such post (a) the number of post offk:es in offices; and Belgaum, Dharwad and Bijapur districts of Kamataka where telephone facility is not (c) if SO, the details thereof? available at present; and (b) the time by which telephone facility Is THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE likely to be provided in all the above post MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI offices of these districts? RAJESH PILOT): (a) A large number of post offICeS are functioning in private rented prem ises, some of which are In small houses. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (b) No, Sir. The department does not RAJESH PILOT): (a) The number of Post propose to construct buildings for post of Offices In these districts where te~ fices solely on the ground that they are facility's nat available at present Is as foI functioning in small houses. Iows:- 201 Written AnsnlS BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnsnlS 202 Name of Districts Sub Post Branch Post Offices Office (a) Belgaum 10 306 (b) Dharwad 1 389 (c) Bijapur- 2 354 (b) The Department has planned to (e) Though no waiting 6sts as such are provide telephone facilities in all village maintained in this regard all pending appli Panchayats during 1991-95. These tele cations at present are likely to be cleared phones will be located at post offices, Pan during 1991-92 subject to technical feasibil chayat Offices, Grocer's shops or other suit ity and completion of departmental formali able places with public access. ties by the applicants. S.T.D. Booths and peos In Kamataka Waiting List for New Telephone Con nections In Bangalore 6895. SHRI S.B. SIDNAL: Will the Minis ter d COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to 6896. SHRI S.B. SIDNAL: Will the Minis state: ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (a) the number of SID telephone booths and Public Can Offices proposed to be (a) the number of persons on the waiting opened in Kamataka during 1991-92; list for telephone connections in Bangalore as on June 30, 1991, category-wise; (b) the number of applications pending for allotment of STD booths and PCOS in (b) the number of telephone connections Karnataka as on June 30, 1991; released during 1988-89, 1989-90 and 1990- 91, category-wise; and (c) the number of blind persons allotted PCOs in Bangalore during last two years; (c) the time by which the waiting list if likely to be cleared? (d) the number of blind persons on the waiting list for allotment of PCOs tin date; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (e) the time by which the waiting list is RAJESH PILOT): (a) The number of per likely to be cleared? sons on waiting list in Bangalore category wise fortelephone connections as on 30.6.91 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE is as under:- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) 350 STD Public Tele OYT 4384 phone (PTs) and 1150 local PTs are pr0- posed to be provided during 1991-92. Special 2873 (b) 273 applications are pending for STD General 55661 PTs and 292 for local PTs. ------___r---- (c) 14. ------Total:- 62918 (d) There are no pending applications (b) The number of telephone connec from blind persons. tions released category-wise is as under:- 203 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Written AnswelS 204 Category 1988-89 1989-90 1990-91 OYT 3674 2738 5227 Special 2844 2001 2354 General 6419 6442 6241 Total 12937 11181 13822 (c) The expansion plan have been drawn through branches of certain banks; and for clearing the existing waiting list progres sively by march 1995. (b) if so, the details of these branches, bank-wise as on August 31, 1991? Payment of Telephone Bille through Banks THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Delhi No. of branches branches as on 31.8.91 collecting bill 1. State Bank of India 29 2. Punjab National Bank 35 3. Indian Overseas Bank 18 4. Oriental Bank of Commerce 11 93 Bombay 1. State Bank of India 27 2. Central Bank of India 21 3. Punjab National Bank 19 4. Indian Overseas Bank 4 5. ARahabad Bank 14 205 Written AnStNrs BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 206 Delhi No. of branches branches as on 31.8.91 co/lBG1ing bill 6. Dena Bank 21 7. Union Bank of India 38 144 Address by a JKLF Representative In tion was inapplicable to J & K which is an UN Sub·Commlsslon on Prevention of integral part of India Discrimination and Protection of Minorities Relief to Cyclone Victims In Bangia· desh 6898. SHRI RABI RAY: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to 6899. DR. P. VALLAL PERUMAN: Will state: the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether a representative of the so (a) the quantum and value of relief pro called J KLF addressed the on-going session vided to the victims of the cyclone which of the United Nations Sub-Commissions on struck Bangiadesh recently; Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities in Geneva; and (b) whether any request was received from Bangladesh for the services of Indian (b) if so, the details thereof and the engineers, doctors and other experts forthe action taken by the Government thereon? reconstruction work in that country; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, the details thereof? MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS(SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the aegis of a non-governmental organisa MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI tion called "Liberation", a representative of EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Government the so-called JKLF addressed the UN Sub decided to extend relief assistance worth Commission on Prevention of Discrimina Rs. 11.5 crores for the victims of the severe tion and Protection of Minorities in Geneva cyclone that struck Bangladesh on 29-30 on 13 August 1991 and alleged human rights April, 1991. To this amount a further Rs. violations and denial of the right of "self 5,90,000/- (approx.) have been added by determination" to the people of J & K. exer way of public contributions. Disbursement cising the right of reply the Permanent Rep for relief supplies and supply of equipment resentative of India to the UN office at Geneva for reconstruction of the Railway sector in rebutted the baseless allegations made and Bangladesh is underway at present. The expressed strong objection to a terrorist details of quantum of relief supplies are organisation like the JKLF being allowed to given in the statement below. misuse the auspices of a non-governmental organisation to issue threats of violence (b) There has been no request for ex against India. The subversive and violent perts from the Government of Bangladesh. activities of JKLF were outlined and it was made clear that the right of self-determina- (c) Does not arise. 207 Wl'itten AnsMJIS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 STATEMENT Quantum of Relief Supplies Garments & Clothes 2,80,000 pes Food items 1,50,000 kgs Household items 3;90,000 pes Corrugated Iron Sheets 19,000 pes PVC Rolls 50,000 kgs Bleaching Powder 2,55,000 kgs Halazone Tablets 2,00,000 kgs Rice 5,000 Mts. Railway Equipment [Ttans/alion) (c) To strengthen the efforts of the State Government to further increase the Production of Foodgralnsln Utter foodgrains production in the State, Union Pradesh Government has initiated certain thrust pro grammes. These are: 6900.DR. uu. BAHADUR RAWAL: Will (I) Intensive programme for rice the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased development (lPRD) 10 state: (Ii) Special foodgrain production (a) whether the production of wheat, programme (SFPP) • wheat, sugarcane, rice, maize and millet in Uttar maize & millets and pulses. Pradesh has decreased during the last three years; (iii) Central Sector Scheme of minlkit programmes of Wheat, (b' if so, the reasons therefor; and Rice, Maize & Millets. (c) the steps taken by the Government (iv) National Pulses Development to check the declining trend in the production Programme (NPDP) of foodgrains? (v) Expansion in irrigated areas THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL TUREeSHRI evil Increased use of chemical MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): ea) fertilizers pesticides etc. No. Sir. (vii) Effective price and market (b) Does not arise. support. 209 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnSwelS 210 Telephone and post OffIce Facllnlee to (b) the number of Gram Panchayats to Gram Panchayata In U.P. which such facilities are proposed to be provided in the said districts during the Eighth 6901. DR. LALBAHADUR RAWAL:Wili Five Year Pian? the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) the number of Gram Panchayats of RAJESH PILOn: (a) The number of Gram Aligarh and Bijnaur distrids of Uttar Pradesh Panchayats in Aligarh and Bijnor distrids of where the facilities of Post Offices and tele Uttar Pradesh where facilities of post offICeS phones have been provided; and and telephones have been provided is as under;- District Gram Panchayat having faciDIy of Post Offices Telephone Aligarh 409 61 Bijnaur 208 26 (b) It has been recently decided that the (b) if so, the outcome thereof; Eighth five Year Plan will commence from 1.4.1992. The targets for opening of post (c) the quantity and value of minerals offices during the newly determined Eighth excavated during last three years, year·wise; Five Year Plan not yet been finalised. For 1991-92 it is proposed to open 10 and12 (d) the proposed plan for excavation extra departmental branch post offices in during 1991-92, mineral·wise; Aligarh and Bijnor districts respectively subject to justifICation. (e) whether any assistance from inter national agencies have also been sought! It Is planned to provide telephone facili availed for exploitations of minerals in this ties at 1437 and 1101 gram Panchayats of State; and Aligarh and BiJnaur districts respectively during Eighth Five Year Plan. (f) if so, the details thereof and progress made so far in this regard? [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE exploration 0' MIn.,a'a In Andhra MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI SALAAM Pradeah SINGH YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir. 6902. SHRI GANGADHARA (b) A a result of investigations by the SANIPAU.I: WIll the Minister of MINES be Geological Survey at India (GSI) and other pleased to state: agencies, following resources of' different major minerals (recoverable reserves in (a) whether Geological Survey at India million tonnes, MT, as on 1.1.85) have bean has conducted any survey for locating min estimated in various districts .of Andhra erai deposb In Andhra Pradesh; Pradesh:- 211 Written Answe" SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Wrlrten Answe" 212 .... ~ 8: El 0 iii .2 (.) -g ,~ ~.... iii iii ! i5 ..Q i5 a; '0 '8 g z E :; ~ :lie "8c: , ... III "0 ~ c:m ~,g :; me;; C .§i5 :;, I ,!!! E ! ,(!) .ti.... CD~ m ~ III - .... E ..i a :5 E IE o~ !c Q. m III m .... E .! ,'I:: E o :;,.... '';:: m.s::. ~E "O m-~ ~ E Q.m m c: E~"O .... m II) ~ ex) ....: ...: N c? .. iii cD CI) - '" 213 Written AnSW91S BHADRA 21.1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 214 ::::I .~ e: ~ .- M l- I- l- -co VI ::E ::E I- 1-- ::e ::E ::e...: ~ t") ' "0 e: lIS .r:. a.lIS lIS "0 "0 ::::I t3 0 'i:: -g Ui .~ 0 1ii ~ E 0 111 t3 ~ E 0 !II 'i:: • III al 'i:: 'i:: U .D E .~ Ui lIS .11! .... 0 . ~ os '6 .r:. "0 .!!! >0 111111 ..:( ::.:: .r:. _111 "8 .-"0 • e: ..t:. C\I ~.5 <11.- ch lIS ch o(!)O ..!!l>o .t= ~ Bft ...... : 215 WrittenAns_ts SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Written AnSW8IS 216 In addition, GSI has estimated 5.59 MT (d) The Information Is being colleded of Gold Ore with 2.67 to 6.22 GM per tonne and will be laid on the table of the Houss. Gold in Yeppamana Mines of Ramagiri Gold Field in Anantapur district and Chigargunta (Blocks I, III, IV & V), Bisanatham and Malap (e) and (f). Two coal projects, namely, pakonda Sectors in Chittoor Distrid. Ramagundam Opet1cast II and Incline 5 of GSI and Singareni Collieries Company SCCL presently being developed are being Ltd. (SCCL) have estimated 1On1.35 MT of considered for development with assistance coal as on 1.1.91 in Godavari Valley Coal of International agencies. Ramagundam field. Investigations for Diamond, Tungsten openeast Mine has been posed for Indo and Mica have also been carried out. Esti FRG Cooperation and is covered under KfW mated quantity of diamondiferous gravel in aid under mixed financing to an extent of 172 Veladikottapalem Block, Krishna District is million DM which includes consultancy and 18 million tonnes with a grate of diamond contingencies. Incline 5 of SCCL is being 0.48 carat per 100 tonne. The estimated considered for possible aid finance from reserve of Tungsten Metal at Burugubanda Australian Aid Programme Planning Mis near Rajahmundry stands at 240 tonnes. sion. 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Bareilly (c) if so. the details thereof; and 12. Basti (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 13. Bijnore THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 14. Bulandshahar MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) List of 58 district head 15. Dehradun quarters in Uttar Pradesh linked having S.T.D. facility is given in the statement below. 16. Deoria (b) Yes, Sir. 17. Etah (c) S.T.D. facility is already available at 18. Etawah Pauri and Badrinath. 19. Faizabad Landsdowne (Lansdowne), Joshimath and Aonla will be linked with STD facility by 20. Fatehpur March, 92; Faridpur by March, 93; Srinagar & Doggaddu by 1995. 21. Ferozabad (d) Not Applicable. 22. Ghaziabad STATEMENT 23. Ghazipur Ust of 58 District Headquarters in Uttar Pradesh having SrD facility as on date. 24. Gonda 1. Agra 25. Gopeshwar (Chandi) 227 Written MS_II SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AM_II 228 26. Gcrakhpur SO. Raebarell 27. Hamirpur 51. Rampur 28. Hardoi 52. Saharanpur 29. Hardwar 53. Shahajahanpur 30. Jaunpur 54. Sidharth Nagar 31. Kanpur 55. Sitapur 32. Kanpur-Dehat 56. Sultanpur 33. Lakhimpur-Kheri 57. Unao 34. Lalitpur 58. Varanasi 35. Lucknow Utilisation of Rain Water In Kera .. and 36. Maharajganj Karnataka 37. Mainpuri 6904. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be 38. Mathura pleased to state: 39 Maunathbhanjan (a> whether any study has been con- ducted to find out the quantum of rain water 40. Meerut in Kerala and Karnataka going into the sea; and 41. Mirzar:x;r (b) if so, the details thereof and the 42. Moradab;ld steps being taken to collect, store and divert the aaid wat.r to the drought prone areas in 43. Muzaffarnagar South.m Stat.. ? 44. Nainita! THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARl\N 45. Ora; (Jalauni SHUKLA): (a> and (b). No, Sir. However the National Water IJavalopm.nt Agency has 46. Pauri undertaken studies related to the Peninsular River Development. The.. studies Include 47. Pillbhit ...... m.nt of wat9r balance in various bulntlaub-basJns. Proposals for transfer of 48. PililOl'agarh surplus waters by inter-iinKing of Mahanadi- Godavarl-l Kerala and Karnataka to w•• r deficit areas THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE NIt cI the western ghats. These proposals MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Mrt at diverting wat.r to the drought prone AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS· .reo In Southern State •• TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) The Suppression of Immoral (TnllJslatJon) Traffic Id has been ,e-named as the Im moral TraffIC (prevention) Id, 1986. The ca... Reglatered UncI.r &J.T.A. State-wise number of cases registered under this Id during the last three years is given in 6905. SHRI ARJUN SINGH YADAV: the enclosed statement. SHRI RAM NARAIN BERWA: SHRI RAM LAKHAN SINGH YADAV: (b) The rehabilitation of women is the concern of the State Government as Social Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Defence falls within the state sector. Various be pteased to state: programmes for raising the status of women, including vocational training, skill formation (a) the number of cases registered under and upgradation, financial assistance for the Suppression of Immoral Traffic Id dur setting up enterprisa etc., have been under Ing the last three years in the country. State taken. The media has been utilised to high wise; and light the status of women by depicting them in positive and Independent roles. 'short (b) the steps taken by the Government Stay' Homes and Counselling Centres have to check the increasing number of such also been set up to provide protective guid caetI? ance facilities to such women. 231 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written Answers 232 N I.... S; N N i.... .,...o .,...o .... oS: ... oS: : "i E III "i... • oS: a. la. ~ t iii fIG ~ .... a. oS: as iii ! W c:as ::::I as ~ C\I oS: c: fa ... !as 1 e I III 1 "0 III ~ 1! J!! c: .5' as .§ ~ ~ CI) < ~ ~ ~ 8 C!) 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SHRI RAM TAHAL CH High Commlulol1l In regard to the new OUDHARY: WIll the Minlst.r of WATER economic and Induatrlal policies for achiev RESOURCES be pIeued to state: Ing desil'8d r.... particularly to augment the export potential; and (a) the detail, of the ualatanca I8nC tIoned by the Wortd bankfortheconatruction (b) If 10. the details thereof? of tubawalla In Bihar and the amount r• ....ed for this purpose 10 far; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the number of tubew.H_ Installed In MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI Bihar with such assistance during the last EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) y .., Sir. three years; and (b) The Ministry of Extemal Affairs h.. (c) the number of tubewells proposed to been providing detailed and up-to-date infor be installed In the State with the said assis mation to its Mis,lons abroad on our new tance during 1991-921 economic policies. Instructions have aIao been Issued to Heads of Missions In aD THE MINISTER OF WATER RE countries on the steps to be taken to ensure SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN the maximum possible returns from the neW SHUKLA): (a) For the Bihar Public Tubew policies. The importance of using diplomacy ens project, the World Bank h.. extended to subserve our economic Interest is being the assistance to the extent of US $ 68 stressed. High level Visits. both of govern million. Out of this, an amount of US $ 13. ment and trade and industry. are being 236 million has been utilised uptlll August31. planned with this aim in mind. Where neces 1991. sary. Missions are being strengthened and (b) Uptil March, 1991. 240 new tubaw ben. equipped to handle the new economic .1Is have been drilled and developed. Of responsibilities. Aprograrnmefor an orienta th .... 4 have been energised. In addition. tion cours. for commercial rapresentativel 33 tuba-wells have been modemlsed and from selec::t Missions Is also und. prepara 351 tubawella rehabilitated. tion. An audio-visual programme which wouk assist in providing the widest possible dis, (c) During 1991-92, It is proposed to driB semination to our new poIicIM is being pu and dev.1op 3 more new tubawalls and together. Seminara and workshops In w;. .nergise 104 tubawella. Furth. • Is pro countries. which would h'_' explain our n8I poaod 10 modemlae 267tubewells and reha pollciN and publicise our economic poten' bIHtat. 049 tubewells. tlal are also being proceIsed as part of thl! basic approach. In IIddItion to efforts tr: (Eng,.,,) enhance Investment and technology fbwI MilSlons have been speclfJcally inltruded Ie Inatructlona to IndIM Emba ..... and work towards maximising our exports. High Comml ..lonaln Regard to new economic and Induatrlal Pollcl., Natl:mal Bank for F1ahert •• 8907. DR. V. RAJESHWARAN: WHlthe 6906. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI .....afEXTERNALAFFAIRS bapleased WID the Mlnlst.r of AGRICULTURE b toil"'; ....ed to It•• : 239 MfrmenAnsW9~ SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnSW9~ 240 (a) the Central Schemes launched and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE assistance extended, State-wise during the MINISTRY OF AGRICUl TURE(SHRI Seventh Rve Year Plan period for exploita MUllAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) A tion of fishery resources: Statement is enclosed. (b) whether the Government have a proposal to set up a National Bank for Fish (b) The Government have no proposal eries exclusively to cater to the financial to establish a National Bank for Fisheries at requirement of fishery sector; and present. (c) if so, the steps taken in the matter? (c) Do not arise. STATEMENT State-wise assistance extended during the Seventh Five Year Plan for exploitation of fishery resources (Rs. in lakh) S.No. Name of State Amount released during the Seventh Plan 1. Andhra Pradesh 714.13 2. Arunachal Pradesh 1.50 3. Assam 80.85 4. Bihar 94.87 5. Goa 61.48 6. Gujarat 387.62 7. Haryana 73.61 8. Himachal Pradesh 11.80 9. Jammu & Kashmir 27.68 10. Karnataka 165.43 '1. Kerala 687.98 12. Madhya Pradesh 154.67 13. Maharashtra 517.51 14. Manipur 33.66 241 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21.1913 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 242 S.No. Name of State Amount released during the Seventh Plan 15. Meghalaya 16. Mizoram 1.41 17. Nagaland 13.38 18. Orissa 373.87 19. Punjab 64.57 20. Rajasthan 58.28 21. Sikkim 22. Tamil Nadu 546.88 23. Tripura 86.32 24. Uttar Pradesh 444.21 25. West Bengal 757.11 26. Andaman & Nicobar Islands 1.21 27. Chandigarh 28. Dadra. Nagar & Haveli 29. Daman & Diu 30. Delhi 31. Lakshadweep 0.13 32. Pondicherry 11.02 33. N.C.D.C. Delhi 149.19 TOTAL 5520.37 SEPTEMBER 12, 1091 Telephone Conneatlona to ....ro nec:tiona sanctioned during May, 1991 to the PoUlan CItIu above metropoUtan cities tor 1990-91 ; and 8909. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will the (c) the reasons for raducing the previ Mlnlsterof COUMUNICAnoNS bepJeased ous allotment made during January, 1991? 10 state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) the number of new telephone con MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION$(SHRI nections sanctioned during January 1991 to RAJESH PILOT): NIImII of Place No of out d tum telephone connections sanctioned during January 91 May 9'1 Delhi 1561 403 65 37 20 2 Madras 3 Total 1686 (c) 0 ... ottum sanctions are given under make good the loss? the discretionary powers of the Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE OVer Storage of Sled. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MULLAPPALL YRAMACHANDRAN: (a) No, 6910. SHRIC.P. MUDALAGIRIYAPPA: Sir. WiI the Ministe, of AGRICUlTURE be pte.ad 110 ....: (b) and Ccl. Question doe. not arise. Ca) wheIIw the talge quantity of IHda .... Telecommunication Policy wlh the NaIionaJ SHda Corparallon (HSC) have become ...... due to over storage; 6911. SHRlC.P.MUDALAGIRIYAPPA: WI. the Miniat., ot COMMUNICATIONS be (b) if 10, the del. thereof; and pleaNd to Itale: Cc) the compenSIIIion given to NSC 10 (a) whet'*' the Government propose to BHAORA 21. 1113 (SAKA) ~ a new telecommunication policy: [TI8IJSIatlon) and Freedom fighter. Pen.lon to Sold.. ,. (b) If 10. the detalla thereof? and 0ft1cera of indian National Arm'l 6913. PROF.PREMOHUMAL:Winthe THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to MINISTRV OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI state: RAJESH PLOT): (a) V.. , Sir. The policy Is under consideration of Government. (a) whether the soldiers and officers of Indian National Army are being paid Free (b) The policy praposuto prov!de guide dom Fighters' pension; .... for development end operations of Telecom... rvic8I under the Ministry of (b) if so, whether they are being paid Communications. dearness, allowance also; ..... of LIfe and Property durin; (c) if so, the details thereof; and Pun"bBMdh (d) if not, the reasons therefor? 8912.SHRIC.P.MUDALAGIRIYAPPA: WI. the Mlniater of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleued to st.e: MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS· Ca) whether the Punjab Bandh on Au· TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. gull , .. and 15,1891 caUHd loss of life and JACOB): (a) to (d). Indian National Army prapeny In the St.e; personnal who fulfil the eligibility criteria laid down under the Cantral Pension Schema, (b) If 10, the number of personslHCUrIly are eligible for pension. Pension Is paid as a force perlOMll killed and the extent of 10M token of 'Samman' at lumpsum rates as cauMd to ptap8fty during the bandh; and decided by the Government from time to time. There is no provision for payment of Cc) the number ~ extremists arl'Ht8d/ dearness allowance in the Scheme. Idled during the bendh? Alleged Bung"n; In A.M.s. Department of Varena" and Mughal Saral THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MlNlSTRYOFPARlIAMENTARV AFFAIIS 6914. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS SHASTRI: Wdl the Minister d COMMUNI mY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. CATIONS be pleued to state: JACOB): Ca) to Cc). AccordIng to the avail- 1bIe1nfonnaIIan. 1. perIOnS Including po (a) whether some c:omplainla regarding IoImen .... kited during the tenorisIs bungling in percaIa end tampering with Money violence an AugUit '4-15. 111'. Some Jnci.. Orders and insured envelops at the Railway dentI ~ .,.,. ~ vehiclea and explosion of Mall Service Department in Val'MUi and rallwaytnlCk..,. allO reported. Nine terror· Mughal Sarai had been received; l1li .... reportIId to haw been ded and _aItwa ...... during the ume pe- (b) • 10. the detaill of the c:omplainta tIad. received since 1086: and 247 Written AnsWBIS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsWBIS 248 (c) the adion taken in this regard? (a) the total expenditure incurred by the Andaman and Nicobar Administration to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE defend the cases filed before the Central MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Administrative Tribunal at Calcutta during RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). 102 cases of last one year; abstractions from Insured letters passing through Varanasi Railway mail Service have (b) whether special grade lawyers were been reported. There is no case involving appointed without the permission of the Union Mughal Sarai Railway mail Service. No case Government; and of tampering of Money orders in either office has been reported. Cc) if so, the expenditure incurred on them during the said period? (c) In one case reported in the year 1987, enquiries have been completed. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Lapses revealed through the investigation MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS have been suitably noticed. In rest of the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS cases reported in the years 1990 and 1991 TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS CSHRI M.M. preliminary investigations have been com JACOB): (a) For the 72 cases filed against pleted and detailed enquiries have been the Andaman & Nicobar Administration in ordered. the Central Administrative Tribunal at Cal cutta during 1.9.90 to 31.8.91, an amount of Expansion of Railway Mall Service Rs, 2,08,075/- had been incurred by the Administration so far. 6915. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI: Will the Minister of COMMUNI (b) and (c). In order to put up an effective CATIONS be pleased to state: appearance and defend the interest of the Administration as well as the union of India in (a) whether there is any proposal to five important cases filed against Andaman expand Railway Mail Service in Varanasi, & Nicobar Administration before the Central Mughalsarai, Jaunpur and Gajipur distrids Administrative Tribunal at Calcutta, the of U.P.;and Andaman & Nicobar Administration haas obtained the services of an eminent lawyer (b) if so, the details thereof? who is not on the approved Central panel. Since no daim has been received by the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Administration from the lawyer so engaged, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI no expenditure has been incurred so far. RAJESH PILOT): Ca> No, Sir. Allocation for East and South Deihl (b) In view of (a> above, question does Projects not arise. 6917. SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA: [Eng_h) Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleasad to stale: Expenditure by A&N Administration on CHH flied before CAT (c) II not, the details of the fundaleftov8r (b) if 10. the names thereof; and and the reuona therefor; (c) the nam.. of the cIIin In the State In (d) the details of funda dlvened to other which this facility II proposed to be provided pIOjecta along with the ,.88Onl therefor; during 1901-02 and the Eighth FIVe Y.., Md Plan. teparIIlely? Ce) the dulls of the fundi allocated for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VarioUI projects In those are.. during 101- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 02? RAJESH PILOT): (a, No, Sir. (b' Do.. not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (c) There i. no such proposal at present. AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. [EngRsh] JACOB): CompulM'lutlon of Mall Sorting In U.P. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI .,8. SHRI RAM &ADAN: Wi. the MULLAPPALLV RAMACHANDRAN): (a) MlnllterofOOMMUNICATIONS bepleuecl and (b). Statement I and U indicating 10 st.. : Statewiaeproductiontargetl01 oil••• and ceruIIduring '.'-02 Is enclosed. Reviled (a) whethe,thelOrtlng of mal has been 8th Plan targets haYed. to be fixed. STATEIENT-I $I. No. sr.te ,. Andhra Pradesh 23.30 251 Written MswetS SEPTEMBER 12.1991 Wrilten Ana..,. 252 SI. No. Stat. PfOduction taIpets (Lakh TOMBS) 2. Assam 2.05 3. Bihar 1.80 ... Gujarat 28.40 5. Haryana 5.05 6. Jammu & Kashmir 1.50 7. Kamataka 15.55 8. Madhya Pradesh 27.15 9. Maharashtra 17.05 10. Punjab 2.65 11. Orissa 10.00 12. Rajasthan 19.80 13. TamHNadu 11.70 1... Uttar Pradesh 13.60 15. West8engal ..20 Others 120 Total 185.00 253 Written AnSWflIS BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written AnSWfllS 254 VI 'i0.;; 0 0 In 0 CD 0 0 0 J!! co co .... CD N g In ~ co 8 -I cD N N c) ~ ....: cD co? .2t..L: C") C") C") 0) In • ~ i .§ .&:: ~ ~ ;: 0 In In 0 In 0 0 0 0 .!!! 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SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA State-Wise list of Station in the Countly RAJE: Win the Minister of COMMUNICA which are Likely to be provided with S. T.D. TIONS be pleased to state: Facilities during the year 1991-92. (a> whether the Government have iden ANDHRA PRADESH: tified some more towns in the country to provide Subscrber Trunk Dialling facility; Bellamrally, Bibinagar, Chityal, and Drakshrama, Eight Incline, Ghatkesar, Gudlavalleru, Hiramandalam, Ichapram, (b) if so, the details of the towns identj. Isnapur. Janagaon. Kodavalur. Miryalguda, fiedforprovidingS.T.D. facility during 1991- Medchal, Nagarkumool, Nakrekal, Ped 92 and also during the Eighth Plan? dapalti, Pedana, Parvathipuram, Repalle, Shankarpalty, Shamshabad. Sirpurkagaz Nagar. Yadagirigulta. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ASSAM: RAJESH PilOT): (a) Yes, Sir. Amguri, Doomdooma, Jonai. Nagaon, (b) A Statement of 387 stations planned Sarupather, Tezpur. to be linked with STD f8CITrty during 91-92 is attached. BIHAR: Mor. stations win be provided STD Araria, Bagaha, 8ihta, 8ermo, Kahal facility under the following objectives of 8th gaon, l.Sarai, Pakur, Ralngardh, RazauJ, Plan. Supaul. HIMACHAl PRADESH: i) All SutHiivisional Head Quar ters/equivalent Block Develop KuRu, Kalpa. Keylong. ment offlC8S and Tehsils to be provided with STD facility on MADHYA PRADESH: priority. Betul, Chhatarpur, Guna. Narsinghpur, ii) All exchanges of capacity of Panna. Rajgarh, Shajapur. Shivpuri, Shadol, 500 lines or more (ason1.4.9O) Sidhi, Singraul, Tlkamgarh. are to be provided with STD facility. STD facility is also to KARNATAKA: be extended to all rural auto matic exchanges with elec Arsikere, Byadagi, .Balele, Banare. tronics. Chamarajanagar, Chilkunda, Channar ayapatha, Channagiri, Chinthamani, Dan iii) All Industrial growth centres, deH, Dharmasthaia, Gokak, Himnabad. Tourist and Pilgrimage places Hungud, Hunsur, Kushalnagar, Kollur, are to be provided with STD Kumta. Kaup. K.R. Nagar, Kaiga, Kakat~ facility. Mulky, Midigere, Maddur. Nandi Village, 261 WItten Answe,. BHAORA21,1913 (SAKA) Written An,...,. 262 Pavagada, Padavapura. Polibetta, Peri KERAlA: yapatna, Sandur, Sorad, Srinivasapura. Srirangapatna. Shahabad, T. Narasipura. Anchal. Ayarkunnam. Anjarakandy. Wadi, Vadagiri: Bharananganam, Chirayinkil. Ceherukunnu. Chavara. Cherplassery. Coyalmanna, Ch TAMILNAOU: engala, oevicolam. Erattupetta, Erumely. Edappal. Kuthuparamba. Kallambalam. Alangubi, Anamalai, Annur, Andipatt~ Konni. Kilimanur, Kattapana, KuruvUangaclu. Avalpoondurai, Chettinad, Chithode, Cha Kattoor. Koduvayur. Kuruppanthara, Kumar trapaHi, Christianagaram, Cuddalora, akom, Kumbala, Mevellur. Mammood. Mal Dalavaipuram, Eraiyur. Kilakkarai. Kadaya lapplly. Nadavur·Pallikkal. Ochira. Pa nallur. KUMathur, Krishnagiri, kavaripatnam, thanapuram. Poovarany, Pulimkunnu. Per Kallakurichi. Muthur. Modakurichi, Na innanam. PunnayurKuIam, Panoor. payyan magiripet, Nambiyur, Neyveri·lI. Omalur, gadi, Ramapuram. S.L Puram. Tirurangad~ ottanchatram, Padalur. pettavaithalai. Udma. Vakathanam. Vazhoor. VeliangaDur. Pavoorchatram. S",*"umpudur, Saerampa Vengara. layam. Surandhai. Sholavandan. Suriyur. Ulundurpet, Us~ampatti, Valur, Valapady, NORTH EAST Vridhachalam. Krong. Tuensang, Wokha, oaporizo. MAHARASHTRA: GWARAT: Bhuin~ BichoIim, Bhor (IGe), Buldana, Calangute. Chakur. Chiplun. Chalisgaon. Bacfra, Balasinoor. Borsad. Dakor. oahanu, GakuJshirgaan. Hinganghat, Hin Oohad, Kevadia Colony, Kanodar, Kukar gal Igatpur~ K'lI'loskarwadi, karjat (IGC). wada, kosamba, Umdi, Matar. Manavadar. Klnwat. katDl, Kopargaon, Murtizapur, Mur Nandesari, prantiji, Rakhiai, Vapi. bad (IGC). Nagothane. Pen. Parli. Vaijnath, Paithan. Palghar. Pandarpur, Savda, Shirdi, UTTAR PRADESH: Triamak. Umred, Vila, Veala. Aonla, Barwa-Sumerpur, Bhimtal, PUNJAB: Bazpur, Bagpat, Chauri Chaura, oibiapur, Deghala, Dudhwapark, Etmadpur. Farenda. A;nala. Anandpur, Sahib. Balachoor. Fetehpur, Sikri, Farrukhabad, Gola Gokar· Bam. BataIa. Dasuya. Garh, Shankar, nath, Garh Mukteshwar, Gajraula, Hata, Fatehgarh. Sahib, Mansa, Muktsar, Mal Jainpur, Jim Corbett Park, Jhans~ Khalia erkotla. Nawan. Sahar. Nakodar. Rampura bad, lansdown. Motichoor. Muradnagar. Phul, Samana. Sultanpur. Lodhi. Samrala, Mishrikh, Malw8{1, Maugarh. Neamsar, Sunam, Talwandl. Bhai. Zira. Nawabganj, Paliakalan. Pilkhuwa. Rishikesh. Renukoot (Pipri), Rasra, Rania, Shaml~ WEST BENGAL: Satharia. Sonebhadra. Sikandra (Agra). Sikandrabad, Tanda, Tulsipur. Tehri, Uttar Birpara. Banarhat, Barhampore, Beida. kashl. Unchahar. Bankura. Bishnupur. Contai. Canning. oin hata, Fatepur. Galsi. Jamalpur. Joinagar. JAMMU & KASHMIR: Jalpaigu~ KaHnganj. MD Bazar. Nalhatl. Nuabari, Santaldihi, Satgachia. Sehara Badgam. Dada, KargH. Leh. pulwama, bazar, T.. Keswar. Poonch. Rajoorie. SEPTEMBER 12. 1881 HARYANA: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM Daruhera, Gharounda, Gohana, Kun- SINGH YADAV): ca) to Ccl. Information II dI, kurukshtra, Meham, Sohna. being colJec::ted and wUI be laid on the Table ofthHou... RAJASTHAN: (T~J Achrol, Bandlkul, Bhirawa, DanA, Ko1putI~ Khetri, l.aIsot. Mathanla, PhaIna, Public C.II Office.. Ind S.T.D. and Rajsamand, Shahpu .... Shajahanpur, VlJay L8.D. connection. In RaJa8than anager. 8922. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: ORISSA Wi. the MInister of COMMUNICAnoNS be pleased to It•• : Rajnllgiri, Remuna. UdaIa. RaJrangpur, (a) the number of public caU offIceI, Karanjia, Chandbali, Badmal, Kantabanj~ S.T.D. and LS.D. c:onnectiona provided to Plllnagarh, Sonepur, Athgarh, Bank~ Dhan private Individuals in Rajasthan district-wiH; mandaJ.jagataingpur ,Jaj)ur Town, Salepur, Athmalik, Anandapur, PaJupanga. Cham (b) the norma and criteria fixed for pr0- pua. Hindol, Bhanjanagar, Olgapahand~ viding such COMection.; and P8MlchemundL Dharamgarh. Malkangiri. Um.rkot., Ballguda, Boudh, Konark. (c) the number of public call offal, 1IkhIgapaI. &amra. a.rpd. 0eIpIhar, Bra S.T.D. and LS.D. connections proposed to ....,.Kuchinda. PlldmIPW, RairokboI, be provided br the Government during the IanIIIprh. Binnilnrpur.~... current year? IIMInd8J. Joda, KMInga, HinJIcuL THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Grant of mining ..... In Qujlnl MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): Ca) Number of public cd 8821. SHRICHANOAESHPATEl:WI oIfIceI with S.T.D. and I.S.D. facility pr0- the MiniIter of MINES be plelled to .....: vided 10 priwd. Individ~ In Rajuthan, DIIartctwiH, II given In the encIoMd State ,a) the ..... of perIOftI to whom the ment. 8auxJta mn. have been given on ..... In ~ diIIrIct. Gujarat aIongwIh their (b) AppIcatiot. recelvecllrom private 18rma and condIdonI; ~ for STDIISD Pubic Cal 0fftcM .. conaIdeNd IUbject to technical ,...... (b) wheIher legal mining II on conItanl ly...... ther.:Md (c) The Number of PubIc Can 0IficM wlh S.T.D. and LS.O. taclily prapoMdto be Cc) '10, the NfMdiaI ..... tIIcen br the pnwided during current yea' In RllathM GaverMIenIIn thiI regard? Telecom CiIda 11300. 51. ,.",. d DItIItIt:I E*I/tf1 PIMt: CIII omc. No. 1011J1 LIJOII S. 1.D. 1. 2IJ7 - 285 WrItM An.twel3 BHADRA 21. 1913 (SAKA) Writt.n AnsWSII 288 SI. NIUN 01 District ExistIntJ Public CaB Offa. No. Total LDCIII S.T.D. 2. AMar 40 25 65 3. Bharatpur 1 1 2 4. Dholpur Nil 1 1 5. Swaimadhopur 3 5 8 8. Tonk 1 2 3 7. Bundl 1 6 7 8. Kota (Including 89 53 142 Baran District) 9. JhaJawar Nil 1 10. Sikar Nil 18 18 11. Jhunjhunu Nil 3 3 12. Barmar Nil 10 10 13. Bkaner 56 4 60 14. ChUN Nil Nil Nil 15. Jaiaalmer Nil Nil Nil 18. Jodhpur 23 74 97 17. Naga.. 16 4 20 ,.. Sriganganagar 9 17 26 19. AIm" 125 83 188 20. Pd 128 24 152 21. JaIore 29 6 35 22- SIIohI " 5 .. 267 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written An~W913 268 SL Name of District Existing Public Can Offices No. Total Local S.T.D. 23 Bhilwara 53 43 96 24. Chittorgarh 41 7 48 25. Udaipur (Including 119 49 168 Rajsamand Distr- ict) 26. Dungarpur 18 1 19 27. Banswara 45 2 47 Total 1229 631 1860 indira Gandhi Canal Project vided with its due share of water from the Bhakra Board; and 6923. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: (e) if not, the reasons therefor? Win the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF WATER RE SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN (a) the amount allocated by the Union SHUKLA): (a) and (b). The Indira Gandhi Govemment under various heads for the Nahar Project is being executed in two stages. Indira Gandhi Canal Proied in Rajasthan Stage-I of the project has been completed during last three years, year-wise; and work on Stage-II distribution system is in hand. A total expenditure of Rs. 271.23 (b) the expenditure incurred thereon so crores and Rs. 531.20 crores respectively far; on Stage-I and Stage-II canal works has been incurred till June 1991. (c) the present position of the proied and the time by which it is likely to be The following Central assistance for completed; Stage-II canal works, extended to the Gov ernment of Rajasthan in the last three years, (d) whether Rajasthan has been pro- is included in the 10tal expenditure: Vear Border Area Development Drought Relief Assistance Grant (Rs. crores) 1988-89 21.00 11.00 1989-90 24.70 1990-91 28.60 269 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 270 Besides, Stage-I& II have also been receiv Foodgraln Production In RaJasthan ing assistance under the Centrally Spon sored Scheme of Command Area Develop 6924. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: ment. In the last three years, assistance of Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Rs. 24.44 crores, Rs. 23.61 crores and Rs. pleased to state: 19.99 crores was extended under this pro (a) the production of foodgrains oilseeds gramme. and pulses in Rajasthan during last three years, years-wise; and (c) According to the State Government, the completion of the project is likely to (b) the percentage of increase in pr0- extend to the Tenth Plan, subject to availa duction during the above period? bility of funds. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) According to the Bhakra Beas Man MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI agement Board, by and large the deliveries MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (8) to Rajasthan have been more than their due and (b). The produdion of foodgrains, share. oilseeds and pulses in Rajasthan during 1987-88 to 1990-91 is given in the table (e) Does not arise. below: (Lakh Tonnes) Year Foodgrains OiIseeds Pulses 1987-88 47.82 12.58 4.74 1988-89 106.57 19.17 16.23 (128.9) (52.4) (242.4) 1989-90 85.31 18.45 11.56 (-19.9) (-3.8) (-28.8) 1990-91 109.80 25.03 16.86 (Likely) (28.7) (35.7) (45.8) Figures in bracket indicate the percent vaticn in the country; age increase/decrease in production over th previous year. (b) if so, the details thereof; and Rose Cultivation (e) the steps to promote rose cultivation in Pushkar area of Rajasthan? 6925. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state: MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. LENKA): (a) Yes Sir. (8) whether the research centre has been established by the Indian Council of (b) Research on rose is conducted by Agricultural Research to promote rose culti- the Indian Institute of Horticulture Research, 27' w.tt.n A/u..,. SEPTEMBER 12, ,", Indian Agricultural Research Institute and Ing Increased security inside the jaU. the All India Coordinated Floriculture Im provement Project. Property Tax Ca... Pending In Courts of Deihl (c) An ad-hoc scheme entitled -investI gation on the genetic and other methods for 6928. SHRI S.N. VEKARIA: improvement of yield and quality of roses for SHRI TARA CHAND KHAN lOSe 01 in India- was implemented by the DELWAL: ICAR at 5 centres, including Udaipur (Ra juIhM) for a period of 5 years from '983 to WiD the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 1888. Udaipur centre has developed a very pleased to state: UMfui technology on propagation of Rose cIamactna. standardisation of agro-tech (a) whether attention of the Govern niquea for higher production of roses and ment has been drawn to the news-item Incrnsed yield of rose oil. A promising captioned "Sampati KarVivadon Ki Sankhya Itrain of Rose dMruIst::ena has been identi Main Lagatar Vridhrappearing in -Navbharat fied for cuIIIYatIon In the Stale of Rajasthan. Times- dated August 17, 1991. New8-lt8ma Captioned 'Jan Ko Apradh (b) if so the r.action of the Gov.rnment Nagrl Bannen Se Kal.. Roka Jar thereto; 6927. SHRI S.N. VEKARIA: Will the (c) the number of cases of property tax Minister of HOME AfFAIRS be pleased to pending in the various court$ of Delhi; and Itata: (d) the steps being taken to expedite (a) whether attention of the Govern those casas? ment has been drawn to the news-item captioned- Jail Ko ApnIdh Nagri Bannan Sa Kaise RduI Jar appearing In 'Navbhara1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Tmes' dilled August 19,1891; MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS . (b)'ID,thereactionofthe Government TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. thereto? JACOB): Ca) and (b). A n.ws-item captioned "Sampati Kar VIVadon Ki Sankhya Main THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TH~ LagalarVridhrwhichappaaredin Navbharal MINISTRYOFPARUAMENTARY AFFAIRS Tmes, dated 17th August, 1991, stated that ANO MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS ther. was an Incr.... In the number of TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS CSHRI M.M. property tax cases In various courts In Deihl. JACOB): Ca) A news-lem appeared In The Munq,al Corporation of O.lhl h.. Navbharal TIMlin lis iIIue of August 19. reported thai the cases flied in the courts 1891 prlmarly relating 10 the over crowding duflng the Y88f'l1ga7-1890 do not Indicate of prisoners in Tihar Jd and certain inade any Incr.... Their number years-win Is .. quacies In jail adminiltralion. toIIowI: (b) The Delhi Administration has Iaken V..,. Number of ,.,....".. for augmenting the jill capacity. Cases FII«I providing bder medical care. ensuring ...... of the priIoneraand provld- 1gal 2611 213 Written An,... BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written Ans... 274 (b) and (c). The Government have taken Y• .,. Number of various legislative, administrative and pre Cas •• Filed ventive measure. to counter the drug traf ficking situation In the country. The punish 1988 2207 ment for offences relating to drug trafficking has been made deterrent. 1989 1810 [English] 19Q() 1956 Latest Arma for Para-Military Forcea (c) and (d). The number of cases pend Ing In various courts in Delhi as on 30th AprH, 6930. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Wi. 1991 was 9145 cases. The MCD has taken the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased certain steps for early disposal of these to state: cases. These steps include the reorganisa tion and the augmentation of their Legal Ce" Cc) the steps taken by the Government S.T.D. Fecliity In Alllppey District In Ig tIIckIe the drug menace? 1<8ra1. 6931. SHRI T.J. ANJALOSE: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS to state: AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (a> whether the Union Government JACOB): (a) A news-Item captioned "Kat. propose to provide STD facility In various Hu. Shlkanja Madak Pad.rthon K.· ap tellphone exchange. In Alleppey Distrid of peared In the N.vbharat TIm .. dated Au Ke,.la;and gull 9, 1991. The newa.ftems stated that trafficking in drug. wu on the Incr..... (b) " 80, the detal.. thereof? 275 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsW81S 278 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS CSHRI iv) Removal of Tatipaka disease af· RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. fected palms in Andhra Pradesh; and (b) Pulincunnu & S.L Puram are pro posed to be provided with STD facility during v) Establishment of regional c0co 1991-92. nut nursery. The remaining exchanges of Alleppy (c) The achievement made under thesa district are planned to be provided with the programmes so far are: i) Production and S.T.D. facility progressively during. the 8th distribution of 2.0 lakh TXD hybrid coconut plan period. seedlings to needy growers; Ii) Additional area of 1600 ha. brought under coconut by Coconut Plantation In Andhra Pradesh extending subsidy for fresh planting to farmers; iii) Installation of 250 irrigation 6932. SHRI G.M.C. BALAYOGI: WiD pumpsets by providing subsidy to farmers; the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased iv) Removal of 3000 Tatipaka disease af to state: fected palms by extending subsidy to farm Ca) whether any Centrally sponsored ers; and v) Establishment of one regional Schemes for promotion of coconut plan coconut nursery in the State with 50 percent tations are under operation in Andhra financial participation by the State Govern Pradesh particularly in ·Kanaseema Area-; ment. (b) if so, the details thereof; Cd) It is planned to plant coconut in additional 150 ha. in the State under the (c) the achievement made under these Area Expansion Programme of the Board schemes so far; and during 1991-92. (d) the action plan drawn to bring more Bureau FAX Service In Maharashtra area under Coconut plantation? 6933. SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D. CHAVAN: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE CSHRI pleased to state: MULlAPPAll Y RAMACHANDRAN): (a) and (b). Coconut Development Board since (a) whether the Bureau FAX Service 1982-83 huaeen implementing the follow has been started at a number of stations In ing programmes for promotion of coconut the country; cultivation in Andhra Pradesh Including 1Canaseema area- in the Stale: (b) if so, the names of such stations in Maharashtra; and i) Production and distribution of TXD hybrid seedlings; (c) the details of such stations likely to be started during the next year? I) Expansion of area under c0co nut; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ii) Providing assistance tor irrigation MINISTRV OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI facilities 10 cocon~ growers: RAJESH PILOT): (a) Ves, Sir. 277 Written AnswelS BHADRA21,1913"(SAKA) Written AnsW8IS 278 (b) Names of Stations where Bureau 16: Maharshi karve Tel. Exchange, FAX Service has been provided in Mahar- ashtra are furnished in enclosed 17. Office of D.E. Phones, Pune. Statement-I 18. Bajirao Road Pune. (c) Names of Stations where Bureau FAX Service is likely to be provided during 19. Veer Savarkar Bhavan, Pune. the next year are furnished in enclosed state- ment·11. 20. Ahmedanagar. STATEMENT... 21. Shrirampur. 22. Satara List of stations (centres) where Bu- reau Fax Facility has been provided in 23. CTO Nagpur. Mahrashtra Telecom. Circle (including Goa) as on 31.8.91. 24. Wardhaganj. 1. Western CTO Bombay. 25. Yeotmal. 2. CTO Bombay. 26. CTO Akala 3. Bombay Dadar. 27. Gondia. 4. Bombay Malad. 28. Chandrapur. 5. Bombay Cumballa Hill. 29. Panaji. 6. Bombay Chembur. 30. CTO Kolhapur. 7. Bombay Kalbadevi. 31. Ratnagiri. 8. Bombay Chinchbunder 32. Sang6. 9. Thane. 33. CTO Masik. 10. Wagle Estate Telecome. Centre. 34. CTO Solapur. Thane. 35. CTO Aurangabad 11. Bassein Road. 36. Jalna. 12. CTO Pune. 37. latur. 13. Puna· Chlnchwad. 38. Nanded. 14. Puna - Pimpri. 39. Jalgaon. 15. Puna - Kirkea. 40. Sarsi. 279 Wnlten,Ans..,. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Ana..,. 280 41. Ohula. 16. Nagpur-Falamana Market 42. Bhusawal. 17. Kolhapur City. 43. Nasik Road. 18. Kalyan. 44. Osmanabad. 19. Ulhasnagar. 20. Vashi. STATEMENT·U 21. New Panvel. List of Stations (Centres) in Maharash- tra Telecome. Circle (including Goa) where 22. Kamptee. Bureau FAX facility in proposed to be pro- vided in the next year. 23. Miraj. 24. Amravati. 1. Andheri. 25. Margao. 2. Bombay - Byculla. 3. Bombay· GPO: 010. Involvement of Private s.ctor In Telecommunication Service. 4. Bombay· Girgaon. 6934. SHRI SANA1KUMAR MANOAL: 5. Bombay· Khar. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to stale: 6. Bombay· Matunga. (a) whether the Government have 7. Bombay· Santacruz (E). decided to apen to the private uc:tor the various Telecom. value-added Mf'YIcea 8. Seepz. which are at present provided by the pubic MClor organisations such as Videsh San 9. Pune City. ctw Nigam, Nationallnformaticl Centre and CMCUd.; 10. Parbhani. (b) if 10, the details aIongwIlh the terrne 11. Nagpur City. and conditions thereof; and 12. Akola Tajnapeth. (c) the control, technlcalldmlnlll"" and other, which Government wi exen::iM over them? 13. Bhandara. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 14. Bombay - Goregaon. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHAI RAJESH PLOT): (a) 10 (C). A propouIln 15. Nagpur - Fule Market this regard II unct. contIderatIon. 281 Writtfln Answflrs BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Writtfln Answers 282 Opening of Telegraph Offices In Var (b) whether there is any proposal to Inial District of Uttar Pradesh open more telegraph offices there; and 6935. SHRIANAND RATNA MAURYA: (c) if so, the details thereof? Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) the details of the telegraph offices RAJESH PILOn: (a) At present the follow· functioning in Varanasi District of Uttar ing Telegraph Offices are functioning in Pradesh at present; Varanasi District of Unar Pradesh:· Central Telegraph Office Zonal Telegraph Offices 3 Mofussil Telegraph Office (at Bhadohi) Combined Post and Telegraph Office 120 (b) and (c). It is proposed to open two allocated to Goa for the development of Combined Post and Telegraph Office on horticulture in the State during last three phonocom basis at Kewalput and Gan· years, year-wise? gapur during 91 -92. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Development of Horticulture In Goa . MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MUlLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): The 6936. SHRI HARISH NARAYAN Central Government have allocated the f0l PRABHU ZANTYE: Will the Minister of AG lowing amounts for development of horticul RICUlTURE be pleased to state the amount ture to Goa:· (Rs. in /aJchs) y"., Allocation Release Admn. Approval 1988-89 1.9222 1.484 1989-90 1.8262 1.560 1990-91 2.8481 3.2203 Besides. for conducting research were aHocaled:- In horticultural crops, following amounts 283 Written Answers SEPTE.MBER 12. 1991 Written Answers 284 (Rs. in lakhs) (a) whether the Government propose to set up an advisory panel on Kashmir; Year Amount allocated (b) if so. the details thereof; and 1989-90 27.00 (c) whether the panel will help migrants in their temporary rehabilitation? 1990-91 58.00 1991-92 75.00 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Deaths In nhar Jail AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 6937. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will JACOB): (a) iJO. Sir. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Does not arise. (a) whether there have been a number [Translation} of deaths in Tihar Jail since July 1991; and Cobalt Recovery Plant of Debarl Zinc (b) if so, the details thereof and the Smelter. Udaipur reasons therefor?· 6939. SHRI BHERU LAl MEENA: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of MINES be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS (a) whether the Cobalt Recovery Plant TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. of the Debari Zinc Smelter in Udaipur has JACOB): (a) and (b). From 1st July to 31 st been commissioned; and August. 1991 thirteen prisoners died. The Jail authorities have intimated that out of (b) if so. the details thereof and the thirteen. two committed suicide. two died in production achieved so far. year-wise? jail hospital. five died in outside hospitals. one died while or. way to the hospital and three died in jail. Of the three prisoners who THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE died in jaH. two were drug addicts and the MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI SALAAM third was a patient of tuberculosis. SINGH YADAV): (a) Yes. Sir. Advisory Panel on Kashmir (b) This is a Research and Develop ment Plant and was commissioned in 6938. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will March. 1991. The plant wason trial-run from the Mi~.r of HOME AFFIRS be pleased to March. 1991 to June. 1991 and the produc state: . tion so far is as follows: July. 1991 ·2 cubic metres of Cobalt Sulphate Solution. August. 1991 3 cubic metres of Cobalt Sulphate Solution . • , able metre of Cobalt Sulphate is equivalent to 80 Kgs. of Coban. 285 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answ81S 286 [English) II STATE LEGISLATURE Telephone Advisory Committee for 1. Shri Ramesh Dube. M.L.A. Bombay 6-B Laxmi Estate. Verma Nagar Andheri CE). Bombay-400069 6940. SHRI MOHAN RAWLE: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 2. Shri Sri Eknath M. Gaikwad, to state: M.L.A. 21918557, Kannamwar Nagar, Vikhrali (El, Bombay-400 083 (a) whether the Telephone Advisory Committee for Bombay is functioning; 3. Sri Janardan S. Gauri, M.L.A. Raj Mahal, AT -Khari, Post Kalva, (b) if so, the names of the members of Tal & Distt. - Thane. the Committee; 4. Smt. Parvati Parihar, M.L.A. (c) if not, the reasons therefor; and Council House, Bombay. (d) the time by which it is likely to be III STATE ADMINISTRATION reconstituted? 1. Sri Dinesh Afzalpurkar, lAS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Buena-Vista, Foreshore Road, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHHI Bombay-4oo 021. RAJESH PILOT): (a) to Cd). A Telephone Advisory Committee of Bombay was consti IV CORPORA TIONICIVIC BODY tuted by the previous caretaker Government in March 1991. The names of members nominated on it are given in the Statement. 1. Sri Nagesh B. Pawar, However, functioning of this Committee has Krishna Vihar Sahakar, been held in abeyance for the present Girha Nirman Sanstha, pending a review. 1st Floor, Sai Nagar, (Tawri Pada) Dr. S.S. Rao Marg, Lal Baug, STATEMENT Mumbai- 400 012. Telephone Advisory Committee (TAe) for 2. Sri S.S. Hussain, Joint Managing Bombay Director, C.L.D.C.O. Ni~mal. lind Floor, Nariman Point, List of names nominated for Telephonel Bombay - 400 021. Telecome. Advisory Committee Bombay V PRESS MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT 1. Sri Rajat Sharma, Editor - -DAILr 1. Shri Murlidhar Bhandare, M.P. 503-L Indira Apartments, (RS) 352..JSS Road, Girgaum, Carmicheal Road, Bombay Bombay 2. Sri Preetish Nandi, 2. Shri Sri Viren Shah, M.P. Editor-Illustrated Weekly Tunes of (RS) 6-A Sunila Apartments. India Building, 4th Floor, Dada Bhai B.G. Kher Marg. Bombay. Nauraji Road, Bombay. 287 Written AnsweB SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsweB 288 3. Sri Nikhil Lakshman, 2. Sri Susheel Kumar Todi, M.D. Editor - Mid -Day Tardeo, Coastal Road, K-10 Kashwa, Bombay Bandra-Kurla Cpmplex, Bombay-51. 4. Sri Raghunandan Dhar, The Economic Times, Times of India 3. Dr. M.P. Singh, 6-Sukh-Shanti Building, Dr. D.N. Road, Apartments, Vidya Nidhi Road, Bombay-400 001 Juhu Scheme, Bombay-47. 5. Ms Dine Vakil, Indian Post, Ballard Pier, Bombay. 4. Sri Naseem Ahmed, Lord House, II Floor, Bhatwadi, VIMEDICAl PROFESSION Thane. 1. Dr. Madhukar Rele, Rele Building, 5. Shri Syed Kumrul Hassan, 34-Perekh Street, Bombay. MIS Naseem Enterprizes, Flat No. 255, Building No.2, 2. Dr. Ravi Katre, Amber A-2 No.2 Zakaria, Agadi-1 Perry Cross Road Bandra, Yari Road, Varsova, Bombay. Bombay-400 050 6. Capt. Shashi Kant Srivastva, VII LEGAL PROFESSION Divya Smeet, Flat No, 5-A, East-West Road No.2, 1. Sri Mahesh Jethamalni, 29-Jolly JVPD Scheme, Bombay-49. Markers, Chember No.ll 7. Sri Satnarayana Puggalia, Bikaner 2. Mrs. Shubha S. Wagh, Bhagirathi Bhawan Andheri (E) Bombay. Sad an, 17th Road, Khar, Bombay-400 052 8. Sri Manoj S.Mehta, 6-Vraj Apart ments, Navroji lane, Ghatkopar 3. Sri S. manshinde, 1-Priya, Varli West, Bombay-400086 Sea Face, Verli, Bombay. 9. Sri S.P. Bhansali, Plot No. 487, Flat VIII All OTHER PROFESSION LIKE No. 10 17th Road, Khar, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, ETC. Bombay-400052. 1. Sri G.K. Ved, C.A. kanchanjunga, 10. Sri Girdhari Lal Jhunjhuunwala, 72 - Peddar Road, Bombay. 'Ushs - Kiran' Carmicheal Road, Bombay-400026 2. Mrs. Aruna P. Thakkar, Manavi Apartments, 36 - Ridge Road, 11. Shri. Parag C. Mehta, Nariman Bombay-400 006. Point., Bombay. IX TRADE, COMMERCE & INDUSTRY X. PUBLIC WORKERS & OTHERS 1. Sri S.M. Khalid, B.No. 203, 1. Sri V.K. Modi, Marvial Arch. 4th Zohra Manzil, Floor, Peddar Road, Bombay. Lungari, Bombay. 289 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 290 2. Smt. Hemant Kumari. W/O Sri 12. Sri Gopal Duttaram Dhukhande, S.P. Singh, 11/101 m Siddharth Nagar, 8-Ahiya, Pilot Bunder Road, No.5. Goregaon. Bombay. Colaba, Bombay. 13. Sri Yusuf Lakadawla. Sun . Flower. Carter Road, 3. Smt. Pratima Singh. WIO Lata Bandra. Bombay-50 Sri.P.P. Singh. 12-Moti-Hira Apartmants,J. v. 14. Sh. Jagannath Jairam Saukhe. Road Schema. Neel Sagar. 1st Floor, Reelama- Road No.5. tion Plot No.10. Andhari (W) Bombay. Bandra (W). BlJmbay-400050 4. Sri K.A. Khan. ex-M.LA.. 15. Shri Murari La! Saraf, P.D mello Bhawan. Sneh-Sadan, Gamaclia Road. Karnak Bundar. Bombay. Bombay-400026 5. Sri G.N. Singh, B-13 Thaosophi- 16. Shri Hash!", Surve, cal Society. Juhu. Bombay. 6. Smt. Nadira, Z. Babbar. 202- Oystor Sheel. 17. Sri Radesh Chandra Singh Juhu, Bombay. Advocate Ram- Niketan, Singh - Estate, 1. Smt. Jaya Bachchan, Pratiksha. Goregaon. Bombay. Juhu, Bombay. 18. Sri. Vima! Bharatia, 301466 Azad 8. Sri Sat ish Kumar T. Pujari, Nagar. 3211035 Tagore Nagar. Veera Desai Road. Andheri (W). Vikroli (E), Bombay. Bombay. 9. Smt. Mahini V. Kalantri. 19. Us. Anuradha Rohil. 2. Wahedna Apartments. Chandra Industries, Old Nagar 75, Hill Road, Bombay-400050 Das Road, Andheri (E), Bombay. 10. Sri. Kranti Kumar Jain, C/o 20. Mrs. Gladys Mathias, Convent Girisons (Colaba) Avenue, Shop No.6, KhuSfo Bung, Santa Cruz (W) Shaheed Bhagat Singh Road Bombay. Colaba, Bombay. 21. Shri Vijay Bhosale, 5715B Damodar Park, Ghotkopar (W), Bombay. 11. Sri A.A. Kaji, Bridge View. Flat No. 1001, 22. Sri Shailendra Kumar Dube, , 6, Hansroj Lane. K V14 D.N. Nagar, J.P. Road, Bheykhaja, Bombay. Andheri (W), Bombay-400058. 291 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 . Written Answers 292 23. Sri Ved Pradash Agarwal, 30. Dr. Hazal D'Lime, 17/8 Manek Building, L.D. Nirmala Niketan, RuparelMarg, College of Social Work, Bombay-400006. 38, New Marine Lines, Bombay-20 24. Sri Narendra Goyal, 221-222 'KSHITIJ' 31. Sh. Shyam Aggarwal, 48, Napena Sea Road, 27, Napean Road, Bombay. Bombay. 25. Sri R.K. Jhunjhunwala, 3, Sital Sagar, 1st Floor, Telephone Exchanges In Bombay Sitalbagh, 64, Walkeshwar Road, Bombay- 400 OOS. 6941. SHRI MOHAN RAWLE: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 26. Shri V.D. Verma, to state: 129, Desai Market, Modi Street, Fort, (a) the Number of old telephone ex Bombay. changes in Bombay; 27. Shri Pawan S. Singh, (b) whether there is any proposal to V Floor, Jeewan Vihar, modernise them; and Manav Mandai Road, Bomb:ty - 2S. (c) if so, the details thereof? 28. Shri B.C;;. Goyal, 302, Ashirwad Building, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Ahemcabad Street, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI P.O. Male Road, RAJESH PILOT): (a) There are 16 old ex Bombay-3 changes in Bomb; ... 29. Shri Kanhaiya Lal Gidwani, Central Bank Pujlcjing, (b) cmd (c). Yes, Sir. These exchanges 4th Floor, R.No. 14 Fort. are planned to be replaced progressively by Bombay-23 March 1994 a~ )er details in the Statement. 293 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 294 c:Q) ~ Q)J! .§ 2- -10; C\I 01 ~ Sf ~ ~ ~ Sf ~ "2'"CII~ co .s;; .s;; .s;; .s;; .s;; .s;; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -6... ~ ~~ t\I t\I t\I t\I t\I t\I t\I t\I -fJg :::E :::E :::E :::E :::E :::E :::E :::E g: ~ .Q ·5_, ~ ._ til 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 l~ II) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .5 01 CXI CXI 0 0 ...,. 01 I/) fIl ...... 01 ...... CO) ~ CXI ~ CXI Ol CO) I- Q) '" '" Z ~~ '" II' ~ ::!ii til II' I- 13 ~ ~ en ~ ._0 Q ~ S Q) ... Cl Q) Q) ~ ~ ~ ~ E? Ui ~ C\I CO) I/) ...... Ol I/) Ol C\I 0 a:I CO) CO) CO) ...,. 8 CO) CO) CO) ;1; '" CD I/) I/) z .... Q) .... ~ ~ ii; ~ '";" .5; .... ~ ~ til '> Q) n. ...., ...... til .!i! .!!! C\I ..0 a, "0'> "0 "0 oar -0 13 C\I "3 "3 :2: III E c; c c c E u u o~ ;ij III t\I Lt III III III >- >- .s;; .s;; 0 (ij .s;; .s;; !!! ::::E :::t (!) CD CD CJ) ::.t: :::E :::E () I- ::::> .... N M .,,; II'i cO ....:: cxi oi ci .,..: N ~-.: - CJ) .... 295 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12.1991 Written AnswelS 296 1 ~, ~ s 1'"II)~ co ~ "§ ~~ III III cf: ::i ::i III .1.... 0 0 II) 0 8 0 g l·t ~ 0 0 0 a3'u - -CO) "i• C\I N,... -.~ .'f: ~ J J 0 0 0" ..; i - M Iri.- uS ~ -- - 297 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 298 [ Translation) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTRE (SHRI K.C. Setting up of Phosphoric Acid Plant LENKA): (a) and (b). Mother Dairy has Increased the sale price of milk with effect 6942. SHRI BHERU LAL MEENA: Will from 28th August, 1991. The price of double the Minister of MINES be pleased to state: toned milk has been increased from Rs. 5.50 per liters to As. 6.00 per litre and that of (a) whether the Phosphoric Acid Plant Standardised Milk (in poly pouches) from has been set up in Debari Zinc Smelter, Rs. 8.00 per litre to As. 8.50 per litre. The Udaipur; consumer price of Milk has been revised in view of the increase in the procurement price (b) if so, the production in the said plant of milk and commodities like Skimmed Milk so far; Powder and White Butter. (c) whether any pipeline from Matoon Conversion of Telephone Exchang••. Mines has been laid; and Into Electronic Exc~ang •• In Andhr. Pradesh (d) if so, the quantity of material sup-' plied to this plant through this pipeline? S944. SHRI G.M.C. BAlAYOGI: Willlhe Minister 01 COMMUNICATIONS be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to state: MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALAAM SINGH YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the Government are consid ering to convert various Telephone Ex (b) Till August, 1991, 42,430 Metric changes into Electronic Exchanges in Andhra Tonne!; of Phosphoric Acid was produced. Pradesh; and (c) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the details thereof? (d) Till August, 1991, 59, 090 Metric Tonnes of Rockphosphate has been sup THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE plied to Zinc Smelter Debari through this MINISTRY OF COMMUN/CA TlONS (SHR' pipeline. RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. [English] (b) The details of the various telephone exchanges planned to be converted into Incr.... In price of Moth.r Dairy Milk electronic exchanges during 1991·95 are as under: 6943. SHRI ARJUN SINGH YADAV: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (i) Manual Exchanges 85 pleased to state: (ii) Sma" electro 300 (a) whether the Mother Dairy haa in mechanical automatic creased the prices of the milk sold through exchanges its outlets recently; and (iii) Medium electro- (b) if so, the details thereof and the mechanical automatic - 88 reasons therefor? exchanges 299 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written Answers 300 (iv) Main electro- total cost of Rs. 1.03 lakh for a period of 3 mechanical automatic - 5 years. The State Government is also provid exchanges ing technical knoW-how for produdion of Raharia beans and Makhana cuhivation. [Translation} Agricultural and Processed Food Products Export Development Authority (APEDA) Production and Export of Makhana and organised a display of Makhana in the Inter Raharla Beans national Spring Fair at Dubai during 1990 for popularising the export of Makhana. 6945. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: [English] SHRI UPENDRA NATH VERMA: Functioning of Cooperative Societies In Deihl Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: 6946. SHRI ARJUN SINGH YADAV: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (a) whether Makhanaand Baharia beans pleased to state: are grown in northern Bihar; and (a) whether the Comptroller and Audi (b) if so, the steps taken by the Govern tor General of India in his Report No. 3 of ment to promote the produdion and export 1991 has pointed out irregularities in func of these crops? tioning of cooperative societies in Delhi; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof; and MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMCHANDRAN): (a) Ves, (c) the remedial steps taken by the Sir. Government in this regard? (b) Makhana and Raharia beans are THE MiNISTER OF STATE IN THE grown in North Bihar, mainly in the distrids MINISTRV OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI of Madhubani, Darbhanga, Samastipur, MUlLAPPALlV RAMACHANDRAN): (a) Purnia and Ka'ihar. The Indian Council of Yes, Sir. Agriculturai rie!;earch has implemented an ad-hoc scheit . '3 on colledion and evaluation (b) and (c). The details 0: the paras fo gorgannut (tltakhana) in Bihar and West indicated by the Comptroller and Auditor Bengal and is beil"g implemented at Rajen General and action taken by 'he Delhi dra Agricultural Ur,i.:ersity, Pusa, Bihar at a Administr3tion is at the Statel'1H.1 GI g > !II s:: 1 ~ ~ 1 c ~ • .2' ~ :c D) c~ :.2 ~ GI •E oS• oS a e ~ ~Q.ui ~ lil g .~ GI D) til ::J 1ii .E ~ .5 -g .5 til • 1 D) riB e ~ ~ til ::J i c til 'E •E •E ~ til E E GI • o ~ 8 8 E.5E= iii o .!!! .,; e g 8 i tile j til til s:: .:!: U D) .!!! -g -g ::J e !~ GI til GI .!!! .!!! 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LAL BAHADUR RAWAL: pleased to stale: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Waiting list as on CATEGORY 31.3.88 31.3.89 31.3.90 31.3.91 31.7.91 OYT 43 92 8 5 2 Non.QYT 190 354 87 46 51 Special Non.QYT 780 1396 1083 1719 1414 General 315 Written Answ81S SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written AnswelS 316 (b) The number of telephone connec- wise and category-wise is as follows: tions released during last three years, year- CATEGORY 1988-89 1989-90 1990-91 OYT 81 266. 178 Non-OYT 5 594 232 Special Non-OYT 28 1157 1074 General (c) During this year (1991-92), two (b) the number of applications for allot exchanges in Aligarh district are proposed to ment of such booths pending in the State; be expanded. These are the telephone ex changes of Aligarh and Hathras by 1200 (c) tne number of post offices in the lines and 500 lines respectively. This would State, where such facilities are proposed to cover most of t~e waiting list. The remaining be made available during 1991-92; and waiting iist is expected to be cleared by March,1993. (d) the number of applications from (d) During the last three years in Aligarh Azamgarh and Mau districts of Uttar Pradesh district 127 public telephones have been set pending for allotment of STD public tele up out of which 6 were STD booths and 38 phone booths and how many of them are long distance public telephones. likely to be allotted booths during 1991-92? S.T.D. Public Telephone Booths In Uttar Pradesh THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 6949. SHRI RAM BADAN: Will the RAJESH PILOT): (a) 800. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) 550. (a) the number of STD public telephone (c) Nil. booths proposed to be set up in Uttar Pradesh during 1G~1-92; (d) The information is as follows:- Applications Likely to be allotted psnding during 1991-92 Azamgarh 35 13 District (UP) Mau District 10 3 (UP) 317 Written Answers BHADRA 21.1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 318 [English] (b) Details are given in the Statement attached. Long Distance Public Telephones In Hilly and Tribal Areas (c) Rural Radio Telephone Systems have been installed at the following places: 6950. SHRI PRITHVIRAJD.CHAVAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 1. Nanded pleased to state: 2. Kurudwadi (a) whether t~e Government have any plan for providing LDPT in inaccessible hilly 3. Dharani and tribal areas based on Radio Telephone; 4. Safekasa (b) if so, the details thereof; and 5. Barshi (c) the places in Maharashtra where such Rural Radio Telephone Exchange 6. Junawane have been installed? 7. Dhule THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNIC~TION (SHRI 8. Betawad RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. STATEMENT Details of Planned Multi-Access Rural Radio Systems in Hilly and Tribal Areas of Maharashtra 51. No. Name of District Hilly Areas Tribal Arec:.s 1. Ahmednagar Akole Sangamner 2. Dhula Sakri 3. Kolhapur Gadhinglaj 4. Naslk Igatpuri 5. Puna. Bhor Junnar 6. Patnagiri Rajapur 7. Satara Karad 8. Sindhudurg Sawantwadi 319 ~enAnsweB SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsweB 320 SLNo. Name of District HH/yAreas TribaJ Areas 9. Thane Sahapur Shahapur 10. Kolhapur Chandgad Release of Old Government Documents (c) whether the Government have taken up this matter with the respective GuM coun 6951. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: try; WiD the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (d) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether the Government propose to (e) if not, the reasons therefor? releas~ Government documents including cabin" documents which are more than THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE thirty 'ears old; MINISTR"fOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI EDUAROD FAlEIRO,: (a' Yes, Sir, (b) if so, whether the documents from the formation of the Interim Government (b) These complaints pertain to viola· preceding freedom upto 1961 are proposed tion or change of contracts and personal to be made available to scholars and others harassment. interested in study of and research into the development of the period; and (c) Yes, Sir. (c) if not. thQ. reasons therefor? (d) The complaints are in the first place sought to be resolved through intervention THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by the Indian Embassy between the em· MINISTRYOFPARllAMENTARY AFFAIRS ployer and the employee; approaching the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS local Labour Courts for redress;failing which TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. the matter is taken up with the respective JACOB): (a) to (c). The information is being local government collected and will be laid on the Table of House. (e) Does not arise. Complalnta of Maltreatment of Indian [ Translation) Workers In Gulf MIca Deposits In Bihar 6952. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: WiD the Minister of EXTERNAl AFFAIRS be 6953. SHRI SIMON MARANDI: WiD the pleased to state: Minister of MINES be pleased to state: (a) whether the Governmenl have r. (a) whether the Union Government caived complaints of maltreatment of Indian propose to chak out any special action plan workers in the GuH countries; keeping In view the rich resources of mica In Santhal Pargana and Chhota Nagput In (b) if so, the details thereof; Bihar; 321 Written AnSW813 BHADAA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Written Answel3 322 (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) whether sanction has been ac corded for setting up of public telephone (c) whether any action has also been booths in Hamirpur, Lalitpur, Jhansi, Banda, taken during last three years to promote the Jaton, Nanital, Almora, Pithoragarh districts production of gold in Swamrekha valley of of Uttar Pradesh; Bihar; and (b) if so, whether the required funds (d) if so, the details thereof? have been allocated for this purpose; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if so, the number of public telephone ~INISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALAAM booths set up at the above places; and ilNGH YADAV): (a) No, Sir. (d) the details of the telephones booths (b) Does not arise. proposed to be set up in near future, area (c) No, Sir. wise and location-wise? (d) Does not arise. Setting up of Public Telephone Booths THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE In Uttar Pradesh MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 6954. SHRI V.N. SHARMA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased (c) and (d). Details are given in the to state: attached Statement. 323 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 324 §- Qi ...... CI) N I I I I "'I""'''''' IN I I I I I I I I I 0 (.) Q. 0 .., II) r:?i ~ Nil .., "'I ..... "'N ..... 1 1 1 1 I I I ~a ~£ N I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I N I I I OCCII) "'NN ~ .!!! ..c. Cl 1a '0 ~ Ii ... .1:: 'iii ~ 0 c "C'" C\I ..c. '(ij i c E .1::: ..c. IV /j ;( Q. OJ I Z .., .... N M ..; Il'i I(i5 ~ 325 Written AnswelS BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 326 §- ~ ...... tI) I I I I I I I I I I 0 a..0 ~"i ~ 1 I 1 III 1 III I 1 1 1 a; ~ II) ....,Q:~~ ! II) I I I I I 1 I I I I C\I Jl ·l 01110 IllCQ (1)0"'_= (I) ~~ 'It C')C') Sa: -III 'C" 111 'C i 111 m ~ 'i i .... c i ~ 'o:t ::s (J) .- .... C"d -;: .!!! -c ::s .c 111 111 'Q IV .. ::s Q) ::s 111 e-11I..D~ C') ~~"c g...c: "s -g _g i.c iii ~~iii - 111 11I:I:I.c16 ~ o :.:: !I~ :::a::: oa: ~ "~ .~ "iii Q _. ... :; 0 .. - ~ ::sa.. e- .-t:: C\I "s111 j ..,~ 3 :::a::: ..... 0 cci CI):i: - cci " 327 Written Answel'S SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnsW91S 328 [Eng/ish) THE MINISTER Op' STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI Indo-Pak Rapprochment and ConfIden EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. A High tial Building me.su.... level delegation visited India in connection with the second meeting of the Indo-Nepal 6955. DR. G.L KANAWIA: Win the High Level task Force from September 1-3, Minister of EXTRNAL AFFAIRS be pleased 1991. to state: (b) A wide range of issues of mutual (a) whether the Government are aware interest relating to bilateral economic coop of the efforts made by USA and UK on Indo eration were discussed at the meeting, in Pal< rapprochment and adoption of confi cluding trade, transit, control or unauthor dence building measures between the two ised trade and cooperation in the fields of countries; and industry, civil aviation, education and CUl ture. The talks wiD continue at the subse (b) if so, the reaction of the Government quent meetings. The High level Task Force thereto? is to prepare a comprehensive programme of bilateral economic cooperation between India and Nepal. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI Export Sesame Seed EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. The US president sent a special envoy to India in 6957. SHRI K.V. THANGKABALU: Will May 1990. the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (b) Government appreciates the efforts in this regard. (a) the quantity and value of Sesame seed exported by NAFED during last three Visit of High Level Napalese Task Force years; and 695&. DR. G.l. KANAUJIA: Will thA (b) the prevailing market rates of Ses Minister of eXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased ame seed in domestic market during 1989- to state: 90 and 1990-91? (a) whether a High Level Nepalese task THE MINISTRY OF STATE IN THE Force visited India recently to have fo;low up DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND discussion on economic cooperation be COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF tween the two countries; and AGRICULTURE (SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The export of Ses (b) if so, the details thereof and the ame seed made by NAFED during the last results achieved? three years was as under:- Years Quantity (MT) Value (Rs. Lakhs) 1988-89 220 24.50 / 1989-90 4115 517.31 1990-91 18 3.00 329 Wrilten AnswslS BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Wrilten AnswslS 330 (b) The range of wholesale p~ per 1989-90 and 1990-91 was as under:- quintal for the four major centrea during Centre Year 1989-90 1990-97 (i) Hyderabad Rs.700-740 As. 998-1125 (ii) Bombay Rs. 1000-1525 Rs. 1250-1550 (iii) Barhampur Rs. 800-1040 Rs. 780-1200 (Orissa) (iv) Kanpur Rs.755-1135 Rs. 1260-1450 Commission Paid to Foreign Agents agents, commodity-wise during last three years? 6958. SHRI K. V. THANGKABALU: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI to state: MUllAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The Business Committee of NAFED's Board (a) the procedure followed by NAFED of Directors appoints foreign agents. for appointing foreign agents; (b) NAFED does not maintain any panel (b) the number of foreign agents at of agents. NAFED has however, appointed present on the panel of NAFED and for one agent for procuring business for onion which commodities; and exports and has selling agency agreement with Universal Cooperatives Inc., USA for (c) the total commission paid to these export of niger seeds. (c) Commission Paid (In Rupees lakh) Year Onion Nigerseeds 1988-89 41.65 39.32 1989-90 9.96 28.70 1990-91 97.11 37.73 SCiST Employees Recruited In NAFED (a) the number of persons appointed in NAFED in various cadres during last three 6959. SHRIK.V. THANGKABALU:WiII years; and the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (b) the number of Scheduled Castel to State: Scheduled Tribe candidates among them? 331 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written AnswelS 332 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on consignment basis during the last three MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI years; and MULLAPPALLYRAMACHANDRAN): (a) 60 employees have been appointed in NAFED (d) the steps taken by the NAFED for in the last three years from September, 1988 outright export of Nigerseeds to USA? to August, 1991 in various cadres. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Among them, one employee be MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI longs to SC category. MUlLAPPAlLY RAMCHANDRAN): Ca) Yes, Sir. Consignment sale of Nlgerseeds to USA (b) NAFED has entered into Selling Agency Agreement with MIs. Universal 6960. SHRI K. V. THANGKABAlU: Will Cooperative Inc. USA for sale of Nigerseeds the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased through them on consignment basis. Stocks to state: of Nigerseeds are offered at mutually agreed c.i.f. price, based on the prevailent price in (a) whether NAFED are selling Ni USA. The shipment of Nigerseeds are made gerseeds to USA on consignment basis; only against a Letter of Credit and thus payment is realised in advance. The consul (b) if so, the details thereof; tation with the NAFED either in forward trade oron spot basis for obtaining maximum sale (c) the quantity of nigerseed sold to USA realisation. fe) Year Oty. In Mrs. FOB value fRs. in lakhs) 1988-89 4410 513.64 1989-90 3395 267.18 1990-91 6834 927.34 (d) NAFED contacted all important (a) whether the Foreign Minister of buyers of nigerseed in USA with offers at Bangladesh visited India recently; and regular intervals. Personal contacts were also made with important buyers of Ni (b) if so, the bilateral issues thatfigured gerseeds in USA with a view to promoting in his talks with Indian leaders and the business with them. Business is finalised outcome thereof? with interested buyers on receiving response to NAFED's such offers. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI Visit of Foreign Minister of Bangladesh EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (b) It was suggested by the Government Govt. of India. However. a special line of of Karnataka that the Government of India credit was made available by NABARD for should examine the possibility of establish Karnataka along with other States foroilseed ing an Irrigation Development Bank at the growers who are members of cooperatives. National level so as 10 mobilise additional resources for that irrigation sector. Alterna Reclamation of Degraded Lands In tively it was proposed by the Government of Karnataka Kamataka that H the Government of India was not in favour of such a Bank then the 6966. SHRI H.D. DEVEGOWDA: Will Government of Karnataka should be per the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased mitted to float irrigation bonds. The Central to state: Government is examining the possibility of establishing an Irrigation Finance Coopera (a) whether the Government of Karna tion failing which it is proposed to provide taka has submitted to the Union Govern special plan assistance to nationally impor ment a proposal for reclamation of degraded tant projects for expediting their completion. lands on pilot projed basis in the State for clearance; and Loan for Growing Groundnut In Karna (b) Hso. the steps taken for early clear taka ence of the proposal? 6965. SHRI H.D.DEVEGOWDA: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI to state: MULLAPPALlY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) Yes. Sir. (a) whether the Government of Karna taka has sought loan from the Union Gov (b) The proposal requires to be reformu ernment for growing of groundnuts in the lated by the State in the light of guidance State; given by the Government of India and has therefore been returned to the state. The (b) if so, the details thereof; and question of giving clearance to the projects, therefore. does not arise. (c) the steps taken by the Union Gov ernment for early sandion of the loan to Ban on Milk Products In Deihl Karnataka? 6967. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN- DEY: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state: MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MULLAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) to (a) whether there is a ban on manufac (c). During 1986-87. the Karnataka Govern ture of butter from the cream under the Milk ment sent a proposal for special Central Control Order; assistance for speedier completion of se lected irrigation projeds. This included a (b) whether in Delhi there is a ban on proposal for a special line of Institutional cream being extracted from milk; credit for groundnut farmers. Certain sug gestions were made by the Government of (c) whether the instances of violation of India but the proposal was not pursued the Milk Control order in Delhi have come to thereafter by the State Government with the the notice of the Government during 1991. 337 Written Answers BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 338 if so, the details thereof and the action taken use of milk of derivatives of milk for sale. thereon; and (d) The existing ban order is in force (d) when this ban is proposed to be upto 31.10.91 lifted? Sale of Agriculture machineries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. 6968. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN:Will LENKA): (a) and (b). No, Sir,now the ban is the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased on conversion of milk into Milk Powder to state the number of tractors, power tillers, (whole and skimmed) and condensed milk combine harvesters sold during 1987-88, only. 1988-89 and 1989-90, State-wise? (c) 11 cases of violation of the Delhi (Milk & Milk Food ) Control Order, 1991 have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been registered in Delhi so far. These cases MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI related to conversion of Milk into milk Food. MULLAPPALLY RAMCHANDRAN): Astate prossessing of paneer or sweets made by ment is annexed. 339 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Written Answers 340 ~ - ~ - C !~ 01 :x:<: - q,~ ~ ClO :8~ e""" 01 <3 ~ ClO " ,.... ,.... ,.... ~ N .... < < "II' co 0 "II' co co co I/) Z Z .... I/) co N "II' N N I/) M C 01 coen co N I/) N < < co I/) "II' < N N ~ ~ N Z Z "II' co M Z ...... I/) co N I!!~ 01 ,S!O ::::::C: f.;;q, ; ...q, -~ ~~ co co M I/) N < < 0 co co N "II' I/) M Z Z ~ N & co ~ "II' N N t- co Z W co :IE " w co M co ~ "II' co ~ "II' N t- ..... "II' I/) co ~ M co ~ tC "II' ~ N ..... N N f2 ~ 1.0 "II' "II' co I/) M ~ f/) en~ ClO I/) ,.... M I/) co 0 ~ ~ ..... ,.... "II' 0'1 ~ < ,.... co co 0 "II' M 0 N Z ,.... "II' ...... 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UNNIKRISHNAN: Will Government so far; the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (b) the amount incurred by the Govcrn (a> the number of rural households in mlfnt on their rehabilitation and how have the country as per the latest Census or they been rehabilitated; subsequent estimates; and (b) the number and percentage of the (c) whether some more riot victims are landless, households owning less than one yet to be rehabilitated; and acre, marginal farmers, those who own five to ten acres and ten to twelve acres or (d) if so, the d~tails thereof? more? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MUl MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS LAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) In the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS AgricuHurai Census, information is not col TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. lectl#d according to Rural Households, but JACOB): (a) to (d). The Delhi Administration according to Operational holdings. As per has undertaken various schemes for the ~ 985-86 Agricultural Census, which is the rehabilitation of 1984 riot victims. A state latest, the total number of operational hold ment indicating the number of victims reha ings in the country was 97.155 million. bilitated and the relief provided under vari ous schemes and the amount spent on their rehabilitation is attached. (b) The details about landless are also not colle<."1ed in the AgricuHural Census. The STATEMENT Unit of area of operational holdings in Agri cultural Census is 'hectare' and not 'acre'. 1. The Delhi Administration has under The number of operational holdings, in taken various schemes for rehabilitation of millions, according to the different size groups 1984 riot victims. The relief provided under is as follows: the various schemes, the amount spent and the number of victims yet to be rehabilitated less than one 56.147 as reported by the Delhi Administration area hectare as follows:- (Marginal Holdings) i. 1 to 2 hectare 17.922 DEATH CASES: The next of the (Small Holdings) kin of 2560 deceased have so far been prf)vided relief @Rs. 20.000/ 5 to 10 hectare 5.00 - each. 10 cases are under proc 10 hectare and 1.918 ess. In June, 1990, the Govern above ment of India extended the pack age of reliefto coverthose persons Rehabilitation of 1984 Riot Victims whose family members are miss ing since 1984. 127 claims in this 6970. SHRIKP.UNNIKRISHNAN:Will category w~re received. Of these, the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ploased 124 have been disposed of. 62 10 state: cases have been approved. 347 Written AnswelS SEPTEMBER 12,1991 Written AnswelS 348 ii. INJURY CASES: Relief ranging been settled. 2 cases are under from Rs. 5001- to I=ts. 2000/- has process. In June, 1990, the Go'l been given in 2603 cases. emment of India ordered a revisw of the cases of uninsured commer iii. DAMAGES TO DWELLING cial properties where com~nsa UNITS: Financial assistance@Rs. tion recommended by the Claim 10001- for partial damage @Rs. Settlement Officars was reduced 5000/- for substantial damage and by tha Director (R&R). Cut of 760 @Rs. 10,0001- in the cases of total cases in this category, 66 cases damage to the dwelling units was have been reviewed so far. given in 3537cases in 1984-85. In June, 1990, the Govt. of India ix. ANCILLARY UNITS: An ancillary doubled the rate of financial assis units has been set-up at Tilak tance tor each category. Enhanced Vihar by Delhi State Civil Supplies claims at the prescribed rates Corporation. 50 widows have taken have been paid in 2560. cases so up gainful employment by under far. Remaining cases are under taking packing of foodgrains and process. grinding of spices. iv. PENSION (AD HOC RELIEF): 297 x. INSURANCE CLAIMS: Reli9f is widowslold age persons are get being paid to the extent of 50% of ting ad hClC reliel @Rs. 1000/- per the damage/Joss subject to a month. This includes 40 widows maximum of Rs. 50,000/- in cases who are getting an additional sum where the insurance policies did of Rs. 10001- per month till their one not cover Joss caused by the r:ots. employable son/daughter becomes 373 cases have been settled. an earning member. Claims of 12 widows and one old age person are xi. GRANT OF STIPEND: Stipend is under process. being qranted to wards of 1984 riot victims widows @Rs.501- and v. EMPLOYMENT TO WIDOWSI Rs.1 00/· per month for school goir:g WARDS: 604 widowslwards have and collegll going students ro been provided employment so far. spectively. In 752 cases. stipend has been provided so far. vi. ALLOTMENT OF TENEMENTS: 2113 tenements have been allot II. An expenditure of Rs. 20,40,57,4011 ted to the riot affected widows! -has been incurred under the above schemes wards. Besides 32 cases are under so far rehabilitate the victims of 1984 riots. process. Representation of SCiST Welfar. vii. MARRIAGE ASSISTANCE: Finan Association, Chandlgarh cial assistance @Rs. 5000/- for remarriage of a widow aNt Rs. 6971. SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL: 30001- for marriage of a daughter Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be has been provided in 213 cases. pleased to state: viii. UNINSURED COMMERCIAL (a) whether the Scheduled Castes! PPROPERTIES: 3406 cases have Scheduled Tribes Employees WeHar. As- 349 ~rmenAnswen BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) ~ritten Answen 350 sociation, Chandigarh has .been represent (c) the time by which the next round of {Translation} talks is likely to be held; Cultivable Land Under irrigation (d) whether no meeting of the Standing Committee of the Indo-Bangladesh Joint 6975. SHRIANAND RATNA MAURYA Rivers Commission has taken place since Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES April, 1988; and be pleased to state: (a) the area of cultivable land in the (e) if so, the reasons therefor? country and the de!ails of increase in this area over the last three years, State-wise; (b) the area out of this cultivable land THE MINISTER OF WATER RE which is irrigated and the details of increase SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN in it over the last three years, State-wise; SHUKLA): (a) to (c). For arriving at a reason and able basis for Ganga Water sharing, it was (c) the area of the land which is irrigated agreed that a Joint Technical Team would by major and medium irrigation projects visit the areas in India and Bangladesh separately? dependent on the Ganga flows to be shared THE MINISTER OF WATER RE for assessing the relevant ground situation. SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN The next meeting will be held on dates SHUKLA): (a) to (c). land use statistics are convenient to the two countries. available uptothe year 1987-88 only. Hence the State-wise details of cultivable area, (d) and (e). 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Renewal of ParamblkuJam Allyar Agreement between Kerala and Tamil Nadu THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARV AFFAIRS 6976. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARANGHVAN: AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES mv OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. be pleased to state: JACOB>: (a> There are 3327 IPS officers in the cx)'Jntry as on 1.1.91. (a> whether any proposal for renewal of a Parambikulam Aliyar agreement between (b) to (d). The information is being Tamilnadu and Kerala is pending with the CX)llecled from the State Governments. Union Government; and Corruption Charges Against IPS (b) if so, the details thereof and the officers In Bihar steps taken or proposed to be taken thereon? 6978. SHRI SIMON MARANDI: WiD the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased THE MINISTER OF WATER RE to state: SOURCES (SHRI VIDVACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and (b). No, Sir. A bilateral (a) the number of I.P .S. Officers of Bihar Parambikulam Allya Agreement between against whom charges of corruption cases Tamilnadu and Kerala has become open for have been framed since 1988 till date; review after 30 yeas i.e on 8.1.1988. The matter of review of the Agreement is, there (b) the number of officers against whom fore, for discussion between the Govern action has been taken, years-wise; ment of Kerala and Tamil Nadu. (c) the details of the actiontaken sofar; ( Translation) (d) the pauses for delay in CX)nductil'lg Allegations Against IPS Officers inquiry and taking action in rest of the cases ; and 69n. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA:. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (e) the number of the police offICers raided by the Central Bureau of Investigation (a> the number of IPS officers in the (C.B.I.) and against whom charge sheets country; have been filed in the courts during the last three years? (b) the number of offICers out of them against whom certain allegations have been levelled and inquiry is being conducted; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRVOFPARUAMENTARY AFFAIRS (c) the broad details of the allegations AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS levelled against them; and my Of HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (8) to (e). The information is being (d) the action taken by the Government coUec:ted from the Government of Bihar. 315 Wnlan AnsW81S SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Wtiten AnsWSlS 376 (EngliSh) rayed buildings. But the Delivery of mail Order 1991. dated May. 29, 1991 pre Communication on Narmada scrl»es thal ordinary mail for addresses in Sagar Project storeyed buildings. except those on the ground floor, wiD be delivered from Novem 6979. SHRI RAM KAPSE: WiI the ber 1, 1991 only in Mail Box provided by Minister of WATER RESOURCES be them on the ground ftoor. i)laasad to stale: (b) The Order is necessitated by the (a) whether the Union Government increasing numberol storyad buikfmgs where have received any communication from the it is not practicable for postmen to derIVer Govem.nenI of Germany regarding the mail at each address. Narmada Sagar Project; aJ1d (c) No, Sir. Most Post Offices in Delhi (b) if so, the details thereof? and a number of post offICeS outside Delhi have more than one delivery of mail in a day. THE MINISTER OF WATER RE (d) Does not arise in view of the reply SOURCES (SHRI VIDHYACHARAN given at Cc) above. SHUKLA;: (a) No, Sir. Import of Foodgralns from Canada (b) Does not arise. 6981. DR. C. SILVERA: Win the DeOvery of Mallin Deihl Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: 6980 DR C. Sa.. VERA: SHRI GOVINDRAO NIKAU: (a) whether the Govemment propose to impon peas, pulses and other foodgrains Wilthe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS from Canada; be pleased to state: (b) it SO, the details therec:.f; (a) whether the Government are aware of the practice of norHIelivery 01 mail in (c) whether India is the largest con muli-storeyed buildings in Metropolitan cit sumer and producer of p83S in the world; ies; and (b) if so, the reasons ther9for; ld) whether the Govemment propose (c) whether the mail is beinIJ delivered to boost coumy's Ioodgrains production to in DeL... ; and outside only once a day; and reduce reliance on import? (d) if so, the remedial measures taken In this regard? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI lHE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MUUAPPAUY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI No,S.. RAJESH PLOT): (a) No, Si'. Maic::omnu.s to be deivered to addresses in mullHlo- (b) Does not arise. 377 .vrmenAnswe~ BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) .vritten Answe~ 378 (c) No, Sir. tenna is not granted to general public, as per the present policy of the Government. (d) Yes, Sir. (c) In view of 2 (Ii) above, accrual of [ Translation] revenue to Government does not arise. Antennae which receive Foreign Seminar. on Technical Education Programme. 6983. DR MAHADEEPAK SINGH 6982. SHRI VLJAY KUMAR YADAV: SHAKY A: Will the Minister of HOME AF Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be FAIRS be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether seminars of experts were (a) the State-wise number of antennae organised in 1989-90 and 1990-91 in Bom in Public and Private Sectors in the country bay and Lucknow to provide technical edu which receive the programmes telecast by cation in Devnagari script by computer; and foreign television centres; (b) if so, the details of discussions held? (b) the rules for individuals or institu tions for having such antennae and the charges therefor; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (c) the annual revenue of the Govern AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS ment therefrom? TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). As one of its Pian activities, the Department of Official Lan THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE guage organised one-day Seminar-cum MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Exhibition in Lucknow on 25.9.1990 and in RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). 1. Programmes Bombay on 27.11.1990 on • Biscriptual telecast by foreign television centres by using (Devnagari and Roman) use of Computers-. conventional transmitters in TV broadcast Representatives of the Central Govemment bands, can be received by using normal TV Offices located in these regions, computer antennae in border arelS. licensing for TVI experts and manufacturers of softwarelhard Radio Broadcast receivers was abolished In ware facilities for biscriptual use of comput 1985. State-wise distribution of such anten ers participated in these events. During dis nae, receiving programmes telecast by for cussions in the seminar detailed information eign television centres, is, therefore, not was given to the user organisations regard available. ing word processing. data entry, program ming, printing etc. in Oevanagari script on 2. (i) As regards reception of foreign TV computers and specifIC doubts of the users programmes, through .atellites, the Gov in this regard were removed. The objective emment'. policy is to permit "TV receive only for organising such seminar-cum-Exhibitions dishantenna- for reception of programmes is to disseminate information regarding fa only from Indian National Satellite (INSAT). ciUties available for use of computers in devnagari script as well so that Central (ii) Licence to receive programmes-tele Govemment offices could work on them as cast by foreign television centres, through per the requirement of "Official Language • atellite., by using 'tv receive' only dishan- Policy·• 379 MfrittenAnsweB SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 . Mfrltten AnsweB 380 [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUlTURE(SHRI Gold Ornaments Belonging to Maharaja MUlLAPPAllY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) of Jalpur The estimates of production of foodgrains during 1989-90 and (likely for) 1990-91 are 6984. PROF.K.V. THOMAS: Will the 170.63 and 176.00 to 176.50 million tonnel Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to respectively. state: (b) Domesticconsumption requirements (a) whether gold ornaments belonging are, by and large met from internal produc to the Maharaja of Jaipur are kept under the tion. These requirements indicated by net custody of london Bank; availability are provisionally estimated at 147.3 and 143.3 million tonnes for 1989 and (b) if so, the steps taken by the Union 1990 respectively. Govemmentforbringing back the ornaments to India; and (c) The per capita net availability of foodgrains for consumption for 1989 and (c) the value of these ornaments? 1990 is provisionally estimated at 181.5 kgs. and 173.3 kgs. respectively. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARlIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (d) The stocks of foodgrains with public AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS agencies at the end of 1989 and 1990 are TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. provisionally estimated at 12.13 and 17.92 JACOB): (a) to (c) • Information is being million tonnes respectively. collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (e) The provisional estimate of foodgrains with public agencies as on Production and Consumption of Food 1.7.1991 is 19.78milliontonnes. Thelevell of stock in the subsequent months would 6984-A. SHRI SUDHIR GIRl: Will the depend upon procurement during kharit Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 1991-92 and releases from the Central Pool. state: Agro-forestry for Rural Areas (a) the total quantity of food produced in 1990anduptoJuly.1991; 6984-B. SHRI SUKHDEO PASWAN: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (b) the total quantity of food required for pleased to state: domestic consumption in 1989 and 1990; (a) whether Government have made (c) the per capita consumption of food in any study with regard to the decline in the 1989 and 1990; agro-forestry in the country at the end of the Seventh Plan and the extent to which It is (d) the quantity of food lying in the buffer likely to diminish at the end of the Eighth Plan stock in 1989 and 1990; and period; (e) whether there is any proposal to (b) if so, the dull thereof; and Incr.... the quantum of food in the buffer stock in 19911 (c) the details of the programme, • any, 381 Re.Progressmadein BHADRA21,1913(SAKA) Investigation into the 382 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. Implemented so far, to streamline the vari ment whether they are seriously pursuing ous aspects of education, research and the Investigation into the Bofors matter the extension programme in agro-forestry for Supreme Court has given a judgement on the benefit of the rural masses and the the 27th August upholding the validity of the results achieved? FIR lodged by the CBI which had been challenged in the court and if the Govem THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment is serious, the way is now open for a MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. thorough probe into this whole business. LENKA): (a) No Sir. The papers say that no copy of this Supreme Court judgement has yet been even sent to (b) Does not arise. Sweden and Switzerland where we are trying to get hold of some confidential papers and (c) The Indian Council of Agricultural Re no Senior Officer has been sent to pursue search has undertaken the following pro enquiry. This eems to be a very lackadaisical grammes in agroforestry:- approach tothe whole matter. Therefore, we want to know from the Govemment before 1) All India Coordinated this Session concludes, what they are pro Research Project posing to do to purse this investigation seri (AICRP) on Agroforestry ously. It is a very important matter (Interrup located at 31 Centres. tions) 2) National Research Centre SHRI BASU DEV ACHARIYA on Agroforestry located at (Bankura): I have given notice on this. Jhansi (U.P.). SHRI SOMNATH CHA1TERJEE (80- 3) Operational Research lapur): We have given notice also. We wish Project (ORP) on Agro to be associated with that ... (Interruptions) forestry at 28 Centres. It is a serious matter. We have given These programmes have not!c&. (Interruptions) generated useful technol ogy for agroforestry. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf 12.00 hr•• farpurj: We have all given notice •.. (lnterrup tions) (English) SHRI SOMNATH CHA1TERJEE: We (IntetrUptiOns) know how an attempt has been made in the name of public interest litigation to scuttle this inquiry, investigation and disclosure of RE:PROGRESS MADE IN PURSUING THE the names. Supreme Court intervened al INVESTIGATION IN TO THE BOFORS most at the nick of time, in the sense that a MATTER AFTER THE SUPREME COURTS few days later, the time-Umit would have JUDGEMENT UPHOLDING THE VALID- expired. They should have sent the Su ITY OF THE FIALODGED BY CBI preme Court judgement. The Govemment is again trying to delay the matter by raising the SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): plea of incorrect copy of the order. TOI date, Sir, The Budget Session Is drawing to a the Order has not been sent to the appr0pri claM. I want an assurance from the Govern- ate court. Now we find that another round of 383 Re. PIOfJ,.,' IMdeIn SEPTEMBER 12. ,., Inv.,tIg~tIon Into the 384 Pu,.ulng the Sofa,. matter.tc. ltIgatlon has started by one of tho.. persons [English) who II velY cIos. to the ruUng party. Every- body In thll countlY knows this and again an MR. SPEAKER: If the matt.rll pending attempt II being made. I am sure lOme Law In the court, will It not be sub judice? OffIcer on beh.. of Government of India wUI appear and ask for time and the court may SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: This Is almost concede the stay order being palled. not pending In the court. Thlsla the game that Is going on. I want to know what Is the Govemmenrs attitude SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): towards this. It Is ....ntlaL we are discuss- The Supreme Court has already cteared It. Ing BCCI which Is a scandal that has taken plica. Bofors and BCC. are competing with [Translation) each other. I do not know which Is the great est lCandaL Therefore this. type of attempt SHR. GEORGE FERNANDES: I am to scuttle this must be resented and pre tenlng you, It Is not pending In the vented and we want Govemments categori court. ... (lnr.nuption.}.... If I am wrong, you calUluranca and statement on the Floor of may correct me. 1haHou... [English) [Translation] MR. SPEAKER: I am trying to under SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf stand from you If the matter is pending In the farpur): Mr. Speaker. SIr.tha points concam court, Is It • sub judice or not? Ing this issue is before you and I am sure that you are also aware of the various develop SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: No, Sir. man1Iln the courts In this regard. Through. This Is not pending In the Court. The Su day before yesterday. th' advocates were preme Court gave the decision on the 27th of on _ike and the courts! ware closed. yet August. That decision has to go to the Swlsa court was open to the attOrney of a person. authorities immediately. This Govemment II who had been lYIng In Duf*. to evade."... duty-bound to honour that decision. What br indian law enforcement agandH. That this Govemment did through Its Police per80n hal bHntrylng to wah off his handI Agenci .. was to keep that file pending and In the Bofors iIIue. lor the put few y..,. . when someone confronted the Head of the 1MDelhi High Court hal once again sought CBI as to why this has stili not gone to the .. explanation. W. feal that. even now. Swill authorities. the reply was that there ... II not even a light change In the ..,. lOme typographical errors In the judge IPPIOIICh of the ruIng pMr. which It hal ment and they would like to have thou been foIowIng Iince the last four or tv. typographical errors removed. ,...... "" belief .... the upIanation eubmlled In the ._. CourL ... han't come SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Yesterday. on .. own. II am flOC MOng. the S ...... the Supreme Court hal dlspoud of that CauIt deIverecI Ita judgement In the Rest ...,. week of AugUil L•• on AugUil 28 or 27. I IhouId have been ~ lent to the MIt SPEAKER: Is this c:ae pending In ..... AuIhqrIIIea Md the...... a.nk. but. the High Court or not? did nat happen. The hal&( of the C.B.I ...... azalia•••• SHRIBASU DEB ACHARIA : No• 385 Re. PIOg"" made In BHADRA21, 1913 (SAKA) Investigation Into the 386 Pursuing the Bolorl matte, etc. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Thlill of this committee should be made not pending In the Court. public ..... ( Interruptions) (Translation] (English] Therefore, Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Chittorgarh): Is not pending in the Court. The Government Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have queried from the Is responsible for Implementing the judge Chair whether we can refar to this matter ments of the court.Our complaint is that It is because in your understanding the matter not doing so. As I see It, It seems to be a might be sun JUdice. I would like to say this conspiracy. The accused staying in Dubai, Is not sub judie •• submits an explanation, at a time, when the Supreme Court has already given its verdict. MR. SPEAKER: Is it pending in the The Government is not implementing it and Court or not? It is waiting for the Dubai-based accused to file a suit in the court and to once again SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: The Su entangle the whole issue in legal wranglings. preme Court has already cleared it (Interrup tions) Mr. Speaker. Sir. the ruling party during its earlier tenure had appointed a Joint Par SHRI JASWANT SINGH: It is not pend liamentary Committee to Investigate the ing in the Court (Interruptions) Bofors scandal. but today the whole country and the World know that it was an eyewash. The issue is pending. It is not a question of the case pending in the Court. It is not sub Elections were held in Sweden on judice. You have queried whether we are Sunday, and the Bofors issue including the referring to something which influences the fact that requisite information was not pro decision of the court. But we are not referring vided to the Indian Government has become to any. e subject of public debate in the country for the then ruling party and other political par MR. SPEAKER: I do not have any infor ties. The owners of Bofors have lost a lot of mation about all those things. money in litigation and the factory has al ready been taken over by the Swedish SHRI JASWANT SINGH: W. are not Government. The Swedish Government is in referring to any 'egal aspect of the great possession of all information, concerning corruption scandal of Bofors. We are not tile .. ",1ivities of Bofors. At the moment, we making a reference whether 'x' took money demand only two things. from the Govern or 'yo took money or If the Government is ment. First of all, our Government should Involved etc. request the Swedish Government to give all those information • which the Nobel Indus MR. SPEAKER: , don't have the Infor tries had refused to part with, earlier. Sec mation about thase things. ondly, the Joint Parliamentary Committee constituted In this regard earlier, was an SHRI JASWANT SINGH: We are shar eyewash, Intended to befool the people that Ing the Information with you. the Government was sincere about finding out the truth. To amend that mistake, the MR. SPEAKER: That is why Ijustwanted Government should appoint a new Joint to know from you whether this matter It Parliamentary Committee and the findings pending In the court or not. 387 Re. Ptogf'(lSS made in SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation into the 388 Pursuing the Bofors matte, etc. SHRI JASWANT SINGH: No, it is not than a fortnight, the Government has not yet pending in the Court.(/ntenvptions) been able to Mnd a copy of the Supreme Court judgement to the Swiss Bank so that SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The matter subsequently follow up action could be initi was disposed of by the Supreme Court. The ated by the Swiss Bank. validity ofthe FIR filed by the CBI cannot now be challenged in the lower Court by Shri Vin Secondly, what is extremely worrisome Chadha, which he is trying to do. This is all a is this aspect of unauthorisedly resident subterfuge.( intenvptions) Indians, living in Dubai or elsewhere about whose extradition the Government is not SHRI JASWANT SINGH: It is now the prompt or energetic, but when they wish to' concern of the House. The collective con move to Indian courts of law to cover up cern of the House is very simple. After years corruption, then the Government moves with of prevarication after years of trying to some double speed and on holidays, the high court how prevent the truth about this greatest of the land takes congnisance of these scandal on arms procurement hence na matters. This is an extremely worrisome tional security emerging finally, the Supreme aspect because doubts are raised about the Court has ruled. And what does the Su bona fides of the Governments. What is the preme Court rule? It has ruled that the FIR Government doing? Why did it not act on the filed by the Centrai Bureau of Investigation is FIR? Why did it not protest against the high wen within its power and it is a valid docu Court of Delhi granting permission to this ment. That is all. Thereafter, if those corrupt infamous Shri Chadha to move to high Court businessmen with political nexus sitting, as and file case. my friends have said, in Dubai wish to per vert the administration of justice and wish to Thirdly, even though the Government pervert the law, then I think, the Legislature has denied it, my doubts and apprehensions certainly comes in ... are raised because a report appeared in a small Swedish Ratio Station that an oHicial of SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: With the Government of India contacted the Official patronage. Swedish Embassy here and said, that con tacted the Swedish Embassy here and said, SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Yes, with that· no further action was needed be taken official patronage. I am sorry, Sir, we have to on Bofors.· And in the first instance, when make such statement because the contin the original information about Bofors scan ued conduct of the Government raises these dal had surfaced over the Swedish Radio, doubts. After all a very simple course of the first response of the Government also action was to be adopted by the Govern been a denial. And I am led to believe that ment. No sooner did the Supreme Court had this denial of the Government is on similar ruled that the FIR was a valid document, lines. Therefore, on these three aspects, then the simple course of action was two there must be a clarification by the Govern· fold. Firstly, a copy of this had to be immedi· ment today. And I share my good friend Shri ately dispatched with a covering lener from George Fernandes's concern in this and I do the Central Bureau of Investigation to the want that a Joint Parliamentary Committee Swiss Bank which, in any case has kept be appointed on Bofors so that this great these accounts frozen. They have now fur while-wash of yesteryears can finally be ther extended the time of freezng of those brought to light•. accounts. I am distressed to know that d • ."". the passage of almost a fortnight, more 389 Re. Progress made in BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Investigation into the 390 Pursuing the Bofors maner etc. [Translation] Shri Gransted· has also said that he doesn't understand as to why the Social SHR' RAB' RAY (Kendrapada): Mr. Democratic party whose members are also Speaker, Sir, I had raised this matter about involved· in the scandal, is hesitant to dis one week back. I won't quote the court in this close the names of the kickback recipients. regard. The Government should inform the However, he has promised that his Govern people of the steps being taken over an ment would constitute a special Independ issue involving rupees 1400 crore. All of us, ent Investigating Commission to inquire into including the whole country is anxious to the Bofors scandal. My question is, what are know as to what the Government is doing in we doing in our country in this regard? Why this regard. We have come to know that has no officer of the Government of India or some dedicated officers of the C.B.! and no politician gone there so far? Mr. Speaker. other investigating agencies, involved in the Sir, why it has not been done so far? Then investigation of this scandal, have been trans how will corruption at the highest level be ferred. , won't refer to any names, but the exposed? The matter was discused in Par most competent person has been trans liament. I shall be happy if aJoint Parliamen ferred and another has been asked to pro tary Committee is set up under your Chair ceed on long leave. The intentions of this manship and the scandal involving Rs. 1400 Government .... (/nterruptions) ... Mr. Speaker, crore is exposed that the entire matter could Sir, Shri Santosh Mohan Dev is a Minister. be made public. He is Mr. Speaker, Sir, Shri George Fernan des was making mention of the Nobel indus [English1 tries just now. When the Nobel Industries became bankrupt the Government took it Sir, I need your protection ... (Interrup over. Is it so that since the control of the tions) .. .1 am glad that the Minister is rising in Nobel Industries came under the Govern his seat. ment , the Government of India would not put any pressure on the Government of Swe [ Translation] den? Hthe Government does not pressurise, the Swedish Government what will happen? , was telling you that a very competent Though Bofors and Nobel Industries have officer of the C.B. I has been transferred and been taken over by Government, yet under another one has been asked to proceed on the competence clause, the Swedish Gov leave. Mr. Speaker, Sir, such a big scandal, ernment can ask them and put pressure on that has taken place at the highest level them. But it appears that Government of should be exposed ... (lnterruptions) India is totally unconcerned for this. I would like to request you and also all sections of the Sir, What I mean to say is that is honest house to rise above their party lins and take officers are selectivly transferred in this a decision on it. I would also request the manner, the C.B.I will lose its credibility. In Congressmen that a decision to this effect Sweden, a movement is going on to ENCpose should be taken during the tenure of the the names of the recepienls of Kickbacks Tenth Lok Sabha by setting up a Joint Parlia from Bofors and the leader of opposition in mentary Committee for the purpose and the Swedish Parliament and the Vice-Presi exposing the kickbacks that had been taken. dent of the powerful Parliamentary Commit This is all I want to say. (Interruptions) tee Shri. P.H.R Gransted has predicted the fall of the ruling Social Democrats in the SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRAKAR ensuing Sunday elections. (Durg): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have observed 391 Re. Progl8SS made In SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation into the 392 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. that whenever elections are held in India. conspiracy is very clear and whenever the (Interruptions) elections are held they make so much hue and cry over It.What were they doing when [English] they were power? SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: Sir, I have ( Intenvptions) given a notice. I met you and told you that I wanted to raise the matter. But you are not Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh had said allowing me. that he would make everything public within one month and disclose all the names. For MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Somnath Chatter how many months they were in power? One jee has spoken on your behalf. [/merrup of their colleagues is raising the issue em tions] Mr. Chndrakar is talking on the same phatically. What were they doing when they thing. He has also a right. (Interruptions) I am were in power, they could not do anything. not allowing you. They became nervous. Had they got any clue, they could have finished our party. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA:: I want a Now, when they are sitting in the opposition categorical statement from the Government. benches, they are making. a hue and cry. They are hatching all such conspiracies. MR. SPEAKER: I do not want to allow [/nte"uptions] They can not mislead the you. people of the country by hatching much type of conspiracies. Once they have befooled (Interruptions) the people. They cannot do so time and again. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: After 15 days of Supreme Court's jUdgement, a copy (Interruptions) of the judgement has not been se"!t to the cantonal court of Switzerland. Why is it so? Mr. Speaker, Sir, it seems that elections are going to be held in Sweden. That is why MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Acharia,l allowed 'they are raising this issue. When the elec Shri Somnath Chanerjee who is the leader of tions would be held here, they will raise this your party, to speak on your behalf. Now you issue here also. I would be raised in Sweden expect me to allow each and every Member. also. It is very misleadings. The conspiracy (Interruptions) It is not like this (Interrup will come to fore very soon. (Interruptions) tions) I have allowed Mr. Chandrakar to speak on the same point. Friends. in this way these people want to mislead the people of India as well as the ( Translation] people of Sweden. The people have under stood it. They can't deceive them by this trick SHRI CHANDULAL CHANDRAKAR: lime and again. They remained in power for Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have observed that when one and half years. What were they elections are held in India, people make doing?They raised the issue in the House propaganda in the name of Sweden that everyday and made a claim that they would bungling was done in Bofors case. Similarly unravel the truth within one month. Why when the elections are going to be held in could they not do? Why don't they say the Sweden, they are again raising the Bofors reason of not unravelling the truth w~hin one issue. It is their trick. So much cheating I So month? They say that they conduced this much conspiracy! ... (/nterruptions) ... Sir, the inquiry and that inquiry. For how many year. 393 Re. Progl'9SS madliln BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Invlistigation into the 394 Pursuing the . Bofors matter etc. they want those inquiries to continue. Their the Congress (I) Government. we were able intension is only to keep the issue alive ...... to get the Swiss Bank Accounts frozen. Not only that. ... (lnterruptions) ( Intlmuptions) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: What They can't befool the people always. these people did not do. (Interruptions) SHRIVISHWANATHPRATAPSINGH: [English] Not only that we have won the cases in two courts regarding A. E. Services, both in lower MR. SPEAKER: Mr. V.P.Singh. court and upper court. We couJcl achieve some success with regard to A.E.Services ( Interruptions) and got the relevent documents in which their connection with Jordan was established. SHRI H.V.THANGKABAlU (Dhar In addition to that we acquired the secret mapuri): When you were in power, you could portion of Audit Bureau Report relating to not get atthe truth and now, you are standing further new weapons system of Bofors, which up to explain your position. You had fooled the previous Government could not collect. the people of India enough. You cannot fool We blacklisted them. It had to impact on them any further. them. Sir, today they are asking us about the same documents whereas it was proved ( Interruptions) beyond doubt that we achiev~d this much success within these couple of months. [ Trans/ation1 Sir, unless some crime is· committed, SHRI KRISHAN DUn SUL TANPURI the Swiss Court does not order freezing of (Shimla): These people remained in power accounts and supplying of documents. Nor for one year. Why did not they do anything. mal commission is not considered as a crime They made a promise to bring out everything there. They consider bride as a crime. t:ar within one moth. What did they do? (Inter lier, it was only in the form of an allegation. ruptions) For the First time, the Swiss Court admitted that it was a crime. Our Government got it SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH done with the help of Swiss authorities. The (Fatehpuri): Mr. Speaker, Sir, hon. Chandu previous Government was not able to collect la.1 Chandrakar has put a specific question those documents. [Interruptions} Bride has that when we were in power, what had we been paid. Sir, the earlier J.P.C gave the done? theory of winding up charges. But now it has been proved beyond doubt that it was abso ( Interruptions) lutely wrong. Now new facts have come to light. The documents of A.E.Services have Since he has asked this specific ques been collected. Bank accounts have been tion, I stood up to reply it. Otherwise there frozen in Switzerland and secret portion of was no need for me to say anything further Audit Bureau Report is also available with beyond what my hon. Friends have said. us. We can also collect information from the Since he has put the question, he must have Nobel industries which has been taken ovar the patience to hear the reply .... [Interrup by Swedish Government. The proceedings tions] Sir, on the Basis of the documents of the last J.P.C were merely an eyewash. available with the previous Government i.e. Now, only a newJ.P.C could revealthefacts. 395 Re. Progress made in SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation into the 396 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. I would like to know as to why are they scared ( Inte"uptions) of an inquiry? (/nte"uptions) MR. SPEAKER: May I request you to go [English] back to your seats THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND (Inte"uptions) FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI M.L.FOTEDAR): MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jena, H you go Sir,l have not responded when ShriJaswant back to your seat amends can be made. You Singh or Shri Rabi Ray intervened on this have to go back to you seat issue because I consider both of them as innocent as any other Member of this House. (/nte"uptions) But I feel persuade to respond when the Former Prime Minister, Shri Vishwanath MR. SPEAKER: Let us be reasonable. Pratap Singh got up to say certain things. I must confess that he has got tremendous ( Interruptions) capacity to mislead public opinion. You may recall that in 1986-87, when he defected MR. SPEAKER:Why should the leader from the Congress. of the House come? H a member has said some thing wrong, he will make the amends. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Change the word. There was expulsion and ( Inte"uptions) no defection. You may correct yourself. MR. SPEAKER: No, this is not correct. ( Inte"uptions} Please to back to your seats. SHRI K.V.THANGKABALU: He was ( Inte"uptions) expelled because.-- MR. SPEAKER: It does help you to MR. SPEAKER: That will not go on follow the rules. Please go back to your record. seats. We will see that amends are made. ( Inte"uptions}" ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: All this will not go on record. MR. SPEAKER: We adjourn the House (Interruptions}" up to 13.00 hrs. SHRI K.V.THNGKABALU: I withdraw The Lok Sabha then Adjorned till Thirteen those words Sir. of the Clock 12.35 hrs. 13.01 hrs At this stage, Shri Srikanta Jena and some The Lok Sabha re-assembled at one other han. Members came and sat on the minute past Thilfeen of the Clock floor near the table (MR. SPEAKER in the chal" MR. SPEAKER: Please, to back to your seats. "Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 397 Re. Progress made in BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Investigation into the 398 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. RE. PROGRESS MADE IN PURSUING IN power and took over the stewardship of the VESTIGATION INTO THE BOFORS MAT country of the 2nd of December, 1989, he TER AFTER .THE SUPREME COURT'S had promissed to the people of India that JUDGEMENT UPHOLDING THE VALID- within fifteen days, within a fortnight, he will ITY OF THE FIR LODGED. bring all the facts regarding Bofors before the people and bring he culprits to book. [English] And Mr. V.P.SinghremainedasHeadof MR. SPEAKER: Shri. Thangkabalu. the Government, I think, for 11 months. He had all these documents with him. He had a SHRI. K.V.THANGKABALU (Dhar· controi over the entire country. He tried his mapuri): Mr. Speaker, Sir, when we were utmost but he had accepted the defeat that discussing the Bofors issue, there was a what he had said before he became the difference of opinion between this side of the Prime Minister he could not do it. And as a House and that side. During the heated gentleman, as a person, who had hold the exchange, I expressed certain words which highest Office in the Country, I would like him were not good. I withdreaw those words and that he should apologise to the people of also if those words had created a wrong India for what he had promissed and what he impression in the minds of the Members had not been able to fulfil. That is all that I here or outside, I feel sorry for that. h was a would like to say. slip of the tongue. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND (Bolpur): We are thankful to Mr. M.L.Fotedar FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI M.L.FOTEDAR): for changing the atmosphere in the House. Sir My colleague has withdrawn the words Does he want to say that because Mr. and perhaps he did not mean it. There are no V.P .Singh allegedly could not fulfil his prom two opinions about it that such language ise of disclosure within a fortnight. There should not be used either in the House or fore, it is your contention that this new Gov outside. ernment will not try to get this disclosure? Why don't you say what you are going to do? I am a democrat. When we come to this Have you stopped your endeavour because House, our heads should meet and heads he had failed in 15 days (Interruptions) should not break. While discussing issues, we should generate light and not heat. That SHRI M.L. FOTEDAR: There is nothing has been the tradition, that is the tradition of in the case (Interruptions) the House and I can assure you ,Sir, that we, on our part, will maintain that tradition. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS So far as Shri V.P.Singh is concerned, AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS I must confess that we know each other TRY OF LAW. JUSTICE AND COMPANY since early fifties. He knows me, J know him. AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN We have been very close to each KUMARAMANGALAM): I wish to make it other••. (Interruptions) ... I am close to every very clear that the Government is taking all body. steps with extreme attention to do all that is possible to ensure that the prosecution in the So for as I am concerned, I do not mis matter of Bofors case moves quickly and judge any issue. I say certain things. But I do comes to a conclusion bringing proper jus not get provoked. But, when he came to tice to the matter. 399 R•. Ptog,.SI mid. In SEPTEMBER 12,1991 1nv.,tIg,tlon Into til. 400 PursuIng the Bofors man., "c. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA(Bankura): taken over by the Swedish Government, W. Why was a copy not made available to the feel that this Is the proper time to have a new Tribunal Court even after a fortnight? JPC to put pressure and the Government should act. On this, the hon. Minister haa SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN made no comment; and he has pronounced GALAM: With regard to issues which have already that there is nothing in the case. This bean raisad in this House, some ma"ers I do raises a serious doubt in our mind, when feel need a li"la correction. I mean no criti there is so much. The AE Services Docu cism . But tha Supreme Court has not pro ment says, there is a connection to Jordan. nounced clearly in its judgement its opinion Unless we had gone into it, we could not on the question of validity of the FIR. It is our have got the documents. the secret part of Government's stand that the FIR is valid; the Audit Bureau Report is there. Nobel and we have argued about it in the Supreme Industries has been taken over by the Swed Court. But the Supreme Court, in the interest ish Government. All this, together now the of justice, has formed its own point of view, FIR is also considered in order; not on the keeping in mind that what it considers is merits of it but at least that it is a valid justice has observed, that what it considers document. In all these cases no reply has is justice has observed, that it would not come • That shows that the intention of the make an observation on the validity of the Government is not to come to the truth but to FIR until a person will locus standi like one try to avoid it. And so far as action is con of the accused persons' is known who is cerned, what has been done. this has been really interested, and who personally ap done in a tew months. These very docu proached the court and those persons who ments you had them for three years. what did have approached the court are not persons you do with them? What we could do In a few who have locus standi Fortunately or unfor months, we got the papers, we got the bank tunately, there is one of the persons. who accounts frozen, the secret part in a few has been named as accused in the FIR, who months. For years you could not do It. That seems to have approached the high Court. is the point and you want to avoid it That is not in any way stopping us at the again ..... (Interruptions) moment we are proceeding in the latter to take all steps that are required, as soon as We lodged the FIR and they could not possible. file the FIR. With regard to within 14 days or 150 days, I do not have that information available And about this matter. the words were with me at the moment; as soon as it is transferred to my mouth and they go on available, we will come to the House. quoting 1ifteen days" In a public meeting some worker made a statement and it was SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH transferred in the Press to my mouth and that (Fatehpur): The point that has been made is is the point. The point is. what they could not that there is a new set of circumstances do for years, In a few months we could justifying a new change. The hon. Minister achieve It. in spite of all those Win Chadha ha not replied to what the hon. Members and company coming and stopping it, that have said and what we all feet. In view of the was the achievementthat we have achieved. fact that we have documents of AF services, Even in Macro's ease the Philippines has not in view of the fact that we have further the been abl. to gel any documents. That is our secrete part of the Audit Bureau Report, in achievement and it is a singular succa .. of view ofthe fact that Nobel Industry has bean our Government. (Interruption.) 401 Re. Progress made in BHAORA 21,1913 (SAKAl Investigation into the 402 Pursuing the sofors matter etc. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE up. Now I am going to ask Mahant Abedya MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Nah to make his statement. RAJESH PILOT): We should not be unduly criticizing the former Prime Minister, but he [ Translation] may clarify whether he did not make the statement attributed to him when three na SHRI MAHANT ABEDYA NATH (Gora tional leaders were present, at Patna and khpur): Mr. speaker, Sir,l am greatfultoyou, which was printed in headline by National that you have given me an opportunity for Newspapers namely -15 days·. If he could personal explanation. Yesterday during zero say that he had not said it, we can tell the hour Mr. V.P.Singh, the hon. Member and public that it was wrong on our part, so that former Prime Minister refered my name we are not guilty of it. while reading a paper in connection with the murder of Shri Sharda Prasad an ex-MLA SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: from Gorakhpr and former State Minister. Have a JPC and let us have it. (Interruptions) Sir, I do not know the intention of the former Prime Minister, but It is clear that I never had MR. SPEAKER: Now ,Please. order any enmi1y with Rawatiee. I have contested please. five times for the U.P Legislative Assembly from Maniram constituency alone in Gora SHRI ROSHAN LAL(Khurja): Your party khpur and have come elected from the has also promised so many things. Your Gorakhpur Parliamentary constituency third party has also said that the prices will be time. I have been continuously contesting rolled back within 90 days. Where has that from Gorakhpur. Many people have been promise gone? my opponents in the elections but my per sonal relations with all of hem have been SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: You very amicable Mr. Rawat too, like many have promissed one crore jobs every year. others was one of the candidates against me in the last elections but there was our never [ Ttanslation] had any bitterness between us during elec tions and there had never been any grouse SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South against me, but I am feeling extremely sorry Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, when the decision the way I am being connected with this will be conveyed to Switzerland? when the murder. verdict of the Supreme Court will be conveyed ...... { Interruptions) Sir, no member of the family of the deceased has mentioned by' name or any of [English] my workers in the F.I.R and the names mentioned in the F.I.R have been confirmed MR. SPEAKER: All of you please take by Sh. Lal Chandra Yadav in his statement your .eats now. I have realised that we are who was injured in the murder incident. I am going wrong some where in the House. I unable to understand at all as to how I am must have realised that the hunger and the being involved in this incident. It is clear that anger do have some effect. It would be better a new story has been fabricated immediately to have the lunch-break than to have a after the participation of big leaders of J.D. in force-break. the funeral of Shri Rawat so a to take political gain and to malign my image. Now let us not prolong this issue. There are other issues also which we have to take Sir, I have won all the elections I have 403 Re. PtOgTeSS made in SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation into the 404 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. ever fought and nobody ever has filed peti text or is making an allegation? ... (/nterrup tion against me. Had I ever resorted to any tion) unfare means, there must have been some or other Kind of litigation against me. I am MR. SPEAKER: What is objedionable proud of the fad that I have always honoured in his statement? the social-moral and democratic values in my long political career. SHRI CHANDRAJEET YADAV: Sir. he said that Mr. Rawat, who is no more now, Sir, I am a 'Sadhu' who has devoted all had been killed because there was litigation his life to spritualism and has been always about his land ..... (/nterruptions) fighting against violence, hatred. enmity and revenge. Today. such an allegation hurts my SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay-North): His ascetic belief of 72 years. son has said that. .... (/nterruptions) Sir. Everyone know the work that I have MR. SPEAKER: It is not allegatory. Now done for Eastern Uttar Pradeh particularly you please sit down. Shri Sonkar Shastri. for Gorakhpur. Apart from my h,lp in the setting up of a University I am running more ( Interruptions) than a dozen educational institutions along with many other services even today. I have MR. SPEAKER: Please allow me to always struggled against social curses like condud the business of the House. untouchability I have come always elected only because of my social services. Surpris ( Interruptions) ingly enough, no efforts have been made to find out the facts before imposing such a SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay-North): Sir, I serious allegation against me and by this am on a point of order. H he is giving any letter efforts were made to tarnish my clean personal explanation .... image for political gains. I have committed only the mistake that I had defeated the MR. SPEAKER: Please allow me to aspirent of Janta Dal with the help of im conduct the House. There is no point of order mense love and support of the people. at this point of time. Please sit down I have a discussion with all the members Sir. I would like to say in this regard that the people whose name have been included ( Translation] in the FIR belong to the family of Sh. Rawat and they have a dispute over a piece of land SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI which Mr. Rawat had snatched and deprived (Saidpur): Sir, Yesterday some allegations them of it. This is the root cause of the were levelled against me in this House by dispute. I want to make it clear enough that fabricating a new story. I would like to make I am no way concerned with it. (Interruptions] some clarifications ...... [English] ( Interruptions) SHRI CHANDRAJEET YADAV Mr. Speaker, Sir, no. such words have (Azamgarh): Mr. Speaker. Sir, he cannot just been used either by my party or myseH which make an allegation against a person who is could hurt anyone's feelings(lnterruptions) no more in the world. Have you seen the total text of his statement? Is he reading out the Sir. the story which was narrated yes- 405 Re. Progress made in BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Investigation into the 406 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. terday is entirely fabricated one. I have never [ Translation] called God.: ... I called .. : .. , Day before yesterday I referred to episode of 'Sham SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: book' and told that he had killed 'Shambook'- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not speaking on that (Interruptions) subject. Mahantjee's feelings have been hurt, perhaps these may be soothed by my expla MR. SPEAKER: All of you please sit nation. sir, I have not levelled allegation down, Do not interrupt unnecessarily. As it against any individual. has been already discussed, you should not complain. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) It is proved from the records that I have never levelled any allegations against any SHRI RAJVEER SINGH (Aonla): Mr. individual. I have only pointed out the doubts Speaker, Sir, even after giving explanations and suspicion that Rawatjee had predicted he called Ram once again ...... * .... What is in his life time, I had only mentioned them the use of such explanation? and no allegation was made from my side. So this clarification is necessary, because MR. SPEAKER: I shall see, please! sit he thought that the allegations were made by down. Hthere is something like that it would me which is false, and is not correct. I had not be recorded. Please hold your tongue. drawn the attention to the contents of the What a rule! You go on speaking all the time letter which was denied by the and no time for Speaker! authorities .... (lnterruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Shri Paswan, be (English] seated, please. MR. SPEAKER: I have to say certain (Interruptions) thing on this issue. The words have been used by Members in the House which should SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI not have been used. The Members have (Saidpur): Mr Speaker, your orders are done certain things in the House which they being disobeyed. (Interruptions) should not have done. However, we have to work and transact the Business. So, we MR. SPEAKER: Shri Sonkar, please forget and forgive. Now, as far as the state take your seat. My special request to Shri ment made by Shri Jaswant Singhji about Paswan and Shri Khurana is that they Shri. V.P.Singhji is concerned, yesterday should not make personal remarks against something happened and I discussed with each other. Members and I found that there was sub ( Interruptions) stance in what Mr. V.P.Singh had said yes terday. Now, that is why I have said that we SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR SHASml: have to forget and forgive. We better follow Mr, Speaker, Sir, I had given a notice to you the practice and procedure that would help yesterday also ...... (Interruptions) us. I would request the leaders to speaK to their Members in this respect and I would not MR. SPEAKER: Shri Sonkar, you have like to have anything more on this thing and taken much of the time of the House, please I would like to close this matter here only. be seated. *Not recorded. 407 Re. Progress made in SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation Into the 408 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. SHRI KRISHNA SAHI (Begusarai): Mr. herself and her family with meagre earnings Speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the atten as a Handloom weaver. Shri Veer tion of the hon. Home Ministerthrough you to Raghavayya and Shrimati Raghavamma of the situation caused due deteriorating law GullapaJli village in Cherukupalli Mandalam and order conditions in Bihar State. Such an have committed sucide underthe distressed atmosphere of terror, disorder chaos and poverty conditions of their families. insecurity has not been witnessed in the history of the country so far. The incidents of One more handloom weaver has com kidnapping and killing are on the increase mitted suicide in Chirala Village of Prakasam there. There were 20-25 incidents of kidnap District. All put together, there are five star ping during the last week alone and the vation deaths in Andhra Pradesh and sev number of such incidents has increased in eral others are suffering out of starvation in different districts also. Within one week there villages around Tenali. I extend my sympa have been 20-25 incidents and at certain thetics to the bereaved families. Though places there have been as many as 50 series of suicides are being committed out of incidents of kidnapping. The day before starvation in several villages of Andhra yeterday one Dr. Ram Sewak Singh, former Pradesh among hand loom weavers, the Superntendent, P .M.C.H was kidnapped. He State Government did not express its con is 73.He was kidnapped along with his ve cern over the issue so far, not extended any hicle and driver. There have been 50 inci financial assistance to these families, nor dents of kidnapping within one month. any Minister visited the villages to get the first-hand appraisal of the situation. Mr. speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the This is not for the first time that starva attention of the hon. Home Minister through tion deaths among hand loom weavers have you to the fact that the people of Bihar are happened in Andhra Pradesh. Even in 1985 spending their days under the shadow 0 the , hand loom weavers committed suicide out Gun. The Government of India should pay of starvation and in destress. Since the living some attention to the reasons for such inci conditions of handloom weavers are getting dents. All the same, the Government of Bihar deteriorated from time to time and their living be dismissed. conditions are assuming alarming dimen sions , there is every need for the Govern (English) ment to review the situation in all serious ness. In order to remove to difficuhies faced PROF. VENKATESWARLU UM by the handloom weavers, twenty-two items MAREDDY (Tenali): Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am of cloth are reserved for them for production raising a very serious issue. Five starvation by the Union Government earlier. But, unfor deaths have taken place in Andhra Pradesh. tunately this has not come into effect so far. During the past on week, there are as many nor is the Government serious about It. .. as rNe starvation deaths among handloom ( InrB"uptions) weav.... in my constituency, Tenali in Andhra Pradesh, due to poverty. Shrimatl Seelam [ Translation] Mangamme of Muttemsettipalaem commit ted .uicide by drowning herself in a canal SHRI MATIKRISHASAHI:Mr.Speaker, since she could not look after her ailing Sir. I would like to draw your attention. hUlband and secure even the bare medi cines to save him. Shrimati Kornepati Yella [English) Mandamma committed suicide at the age of MR. SPEAKER: This is not going on Seventy. since she was unable to maintain record ...... Re. Progress made in BHAORA 21, 1913 (SAKA) investigation Into the 410 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. (Interruptions) anything about this cottage No.3. As soon as I entered the main entrance gate, a Sikh named Jeet Singh rushed towards me. He PROF. VENKATESHWARLU UM asked me where I was going. I told him MAREOOV: The recommendations of the humbly that I am an M.P. and I have b•• n 'Abid Hussain Committee' to amenorate the invited to this programme, and journalist. living conditions of the hand loom weavers and Members of Parliament are also coming have also not been implemented. The hand to participate. I may, pl.ase, be allowed to loom weavers are unable to exist in their join. H. said, ·No· and further he said that a traditional occupation of weaving since the p.rson w.arlng dhoti-kurta cannot enter this textile industry has become highly competi Gymkhana Club .... (/nt.rruptions) .... I r. tive. quested him that I am a Member of Parlia m.nt, why can't I enter this Gymkhana Club? During the past three years, the price of Even after 40 years of independence, people Dyes, Varn and Chemicals have increased clad in dhoti-kurta won't be permitted to by 300 per cent which is throwing several enter such a Club. I was disheartened and handloom weavers out of their occupation. returned after being insulted. I was told that Under the present distressed conditions of if I had come in a suit or pants and bush-shirt. the handloom weavers, I urge upon the then alon. I would have been allowed be Gov.rnment to start a separate Handloom cause people clad in dhoti kurta are not Corporation on par with the commodity allowed to go In. Th.reaft.r, wh.n I wu boards and Cotton Corporation, so that a coming out after being insulted, on. of my great.r attention can be paid to the hand colleagu.s repr.santingJhansi constituency, loom sector. In addition there should be a Shri. Rajendra Agnihotri alighted from hi. dual pricing policy of inputs in weaving occu car. I interrupted him and told him that since pation and subsidy should be extended to he was in Kurta-pyjama he could not go the hand loom weavers. Further, the hand inside. He asked m. how was it possi)Ie. loom sector and textile industry may be Wh.n he went on I also accompanied him leparated and brought under different min and his secretary came and said that the istries to have a greater and specialempha peopl. clad In dhoti-kurta won't be permitted ais on the handloom sector. to go inside the peremises. I said that It was the reception ceremony of Shrl. Mal I furth.r urge upon the Government to likarjunaiah, we may please be allowed to go extend ex-gratia to the families of the de inside.. (Inr.nuptions). It Is • question of ceased to save from starvation and save the privileg •••••. (lnterruptions). handloom w.aving occupation and weavers to continue In their traditional occupation. SHRI. LAL K. AOVANI(Gandhi Nagar): Thank you. Mr. Speake" Sir, with regard to the problem discussed by Shrl. Oau Dayal Joshi, I believe [ Translation] that the whole House Is of the opinion that the rules followed In all the courts and cluba SHRI. OAU OAVALJOSHI (Kota): Mr. are the sam. for thelaat 44 yea" and these Speaker, Sir, a reception In honour of the are in exist.nce since the British Rule. SOIM han. Deputy Speaker, Shri. Mallkarjunaiah rule. were framed at that time which are wu arranged In the premlsea of Gymkhana being followed tUI now. According to thole Club. It wu arranged bt som. organlsa- rule .. anybody clad In dhotl-kurta will not be 110". of Deihl. The programme was ar permitted entry. Even If we wear western ranged In Cottag. No.3. I would not say dreasea we would not be permitted and no 411 Re. PlO(/fflSS made in SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Investigation into the 412 Pursuing the Bofors matter etc. body is going to accept it. All of us are of the entered and later on the Club changed its opinion and I personally believe that these rules. rules should be amended ••••••• (/nt9mlp SHRI. LAl K. ADVANI: And what hap tions). pened with painter Hussain ...• SHRI. RAM VILAS PASWAN(Rosera): SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: That is Mr. Speaker, Sir, the issue raised by Shri. what happened in the Wellington Club of Advani is a violation of the fundamental right Bombay, one cannot enter if he is clad in enshrined in our constitution. According to dhoti. A renouned painter M.F. Hussain the Constitution of India, nobody can be went there barefooted and the practice prevented from going to any place. If a continued at various places. I will tell Shri. person is prevented from visiting any place Dau Dayal Joshi and all others that if the on the basis of caste, religion and attire, it is local English-fashionE.d peoplE' prevent us the violation of t;is fundamental right. We from entering this Parliament House and the would like to request the Government that if rules are not altered, some people may have there is any restriction on such an to take recourse to civil disobedience. There entry ...... (/nterruptions) where there is any is no other alternative. such type of restrICtion it should be done away with so that the entry is possible for [English) everybody. This matter has been taken up in the Parliament also and the Government SHRJ. SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY has given its reply to the question also. (Katwa): Sir, the Delhi Gymkhana Club may be a private Club and what should be their SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzat rule W9 cannot say anything about this. But farpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir,l am aware of the as they rent out that C:UD for public functions, fact that many clubs are located in private how can they prevent any invitee f rom enter premises and not in public places. If consti ing the Club in any dress that he likes? tution is to be associated with it, then it can be looked into in futul e. But the natives or Now, I do not know whether this House locals the so-called Englishmen who are has any judicial authority to pronounce any fond of English dresses, the representatives judgment on them. But I very much wish that of people or any person of this country is there will be some authority in the country prevented to participate in a public function who will say that the management of this does not involve anything that cannot be Club, the suited-booted people. be ordered tolerated. 11 has happened in Calcutta. This to wear dhoti and Kurta as penance for what practice was prevalent in Calcutta Club. that they have done(/ntemJptionsj. a person wearing a 'dhoti' was not permitted to go inside•.••. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It must be a Government land, it must be (English] alease of the Governm&nt property they are SHRI. SOMNATH CHATTERJEE having. {Interruptions) (Bolpur): fn the Calcutta Club, once a JuJge was not allowed to enter. THE MINISTER OF STATE liN THE MINISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS ( TIallSIaIion) AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TERY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: The AFFAIRS (SHRI. RANGARAJAN judgatook up thil question there. Our people KUMARAMANGALAM): Mr. Speaker, Sir, it 413 Papers Laid BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Papers Laid 414 Is unfortunate that after so many years of I beg to lay on the Table- Independence we still have a situation where in a Club- whether it Is private or not is not (1). A copy of the annual Report (Hindi the issue - a person who has been invited and English versions) of the Narmada Con for a function Is prohibited from entering trol authority for the year 1989-90 alongiwith because he is wearing what we consider a audited Accounts. national dress. H you wear a suit which is unfortunately a lounge suit or some other (2). A statement (Hindi and English suit, it is really not our dress, it is something versions) showing reasons for delay in lay which we have brought from abroad. ing the papers mentioned at (1) above [Placed in library sec. No. LT - 615191]. SHRI. JASWANT SINGH (Chittorgarh): It can be a bathing suit. (3) A statement (Hindi and English ver sions) (1) correding the reply given on the SHRI. RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN 18th July, 1991 to Unstated Question No.354 GALAM: Yes, that is true, even bathing suits by Shri. V. sobhanadreeswara . regarding may be permitted in clubs, it is rather unfor Pulichintala Balancing Reservoir Projed of tunats. But unfortunately, the constitution Andhra Pradesh and (ii) givin~ reasons for has a Fundamental Right which prohibits delay in corrading the reply. [placed in li discrimination of this type only in public brary sec. No. LT - 616191]. places. In private places it is not a Funda mental Right that we can exercise. How Notification under Deihl Municipal Cor· ever, I am sure there must be other means by poration Act, 1957 which, when this whole House unanimously feels revulsion to such methods of behavior THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and restridions, we can impress upon the MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Gymkhana Club that they should give up this AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS particular mode and the Government will TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI. M.M. definitely look into it. JACOB): Sir, I beg to lay on the table a copy of the Notification No. U.14011/160189-Delhi MR. SPEAKER: I am going to the other (Hindi and English versions) published in matters because we have already taken Delhi Gazettee dated the 4th September, one-and-half hours. 1991 making certain amendments to the Notification No. U.14011/160189-Delhi dated Now, Papers to be Laid on the Table of the 6th January, 1990 issuod under section the House. 490 of the Delhi Municipal Corporation Act, 1957. (Placed in library. Sec. No. LT 617191]. 13.40 hr•• Statement explaining Reason. for not PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE laying In TIme the Annual Report and Audited Accounts of Madhya Pradesh Annual Reprot of Narmada Control Stat. Dairy Development Corporation Authority for 1989-90 and Statement for Ltd. Bhopal for 1983-84. delay In laying those Paper. etc. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English} MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI. K.C. LENKA): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE statement (Hindi and English versions) MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI. K.C. explaining reasons for noIlaying the Annual LENKA): Sir, on behalf of Shri. V.C. Shukla, Reports and audited .Accounts of the Madhya 415 Papers Laid SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Message'lOm R.S. 418 Pradesh State Dairy Development Corpora Industries corporation Limited. Trl tion Limited. Bhopal. for the years 1983-84 vandrum. for the year 1988-89. to 1989-90 within the stipulated period of nine months after the close of the Account (ii) Annual Report of the Kerala ing year. [Placed in library Sec. No. LT 6181 Agro Industries corporation lim 91] ited. Trivandrum. for the year 1988- 89 along with audited Accounts and Deihl CO-Operatlve Societies (Second comments of the comptroller and Amendment) Rules 1991 FertiliZer (Con auditor General thereon. [Placed In trol) (Third Amendment) Order, 1991, library sec. No. LT - 621/91}. Review on the Working of and Annual Report of Kerala Agro Industries Corpo (b) (i) Review by the Government on ration Ltd. Trlvandrum for 1988 -89 etc. the working of the Uttar Pradesh State Agro Industrial Corporation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Limited Lucknow. for the year 1983- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHRI. 84. MULLAPALL Y RAMACHANDRAN): Sir. I beg to lay on the Table - (Ii) Annual report of the Uttar Pradesh State Agro Industrial Cor (1) A copy of the Delhi-Cooperative poration Limited. Lucknow. for the Societies (Second Amendment) year 1983-84 alongiwith audited Rules. 1991 (Hindi and English Accounts and comments of the versions) published in Notification comptroller and auditor General No.F. 4715781GHICoop. in Delhi thereon. Gazette dated the 19th August. 1991 under sub-section (3) of s&c (4) Two statements (Hindi and English tion 97 of the Delhi Cooperative versions) showing reasons for de Societies Aa. 1972. [placed in lay in laying the papers mentioned Library. sec. No.LT 6191911. at (3) above. [placed in library. sec. LT622191}. (2) A copy of the Fertiliser (Control) (Third Amendment) Order. 1991 (Hindi and English versions) pub 13.41 hrL lished In Notification No.S.O. 530 (E) in Gazette of India dated the MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA 16th August. 1991. under sub section (6) of section 3 of the Es· SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir. I have sential commodities Ad.. 1955. to report the following messages received (placed in library. sec. No. LT - from the Secretary-General of Rajya 620191). Sabha:- (3) AClJpy eachot the following papers (Hindi and English versions) under (i) 'I am directed to inform the Lok sadion 619A of the Companies Sabha that the Rajya Sabha at Itl Act. 1956:- Iltting held on Wednesday. the 4th September. 1991. adopted thefol (a) (I) Review by the Government lowing motion in regard to the on the working of the Kerala Agro C1Jmmlttee on Public Acc:ounts:- ·417 Message flOm R.S. BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Message from R.S. 418 "That this House concurs in the recom I am further to inform the Lok Sabha that mendation of the Lok Sabha that the In pursuance of the above motion, the follow RaIYa Sabha do agree to nominate ing members of the RaIYa Sabha have been seven members from Rajya Sabha to duly elected to the said committee:- associate with the committee on Public Accounts of Lok Sabha for the term 1. Shri Ashwanl Kumar ending on the 30th April, 1992, and do proceed to elect in such manner as the 2. Prof. Chandresh P. Thakur chairman may direct, seven members from among the members of the House 3. Shri. Syed Sibtey Razi to serve on the said committee,· 4. Shri. Ajit P.K. Jogi I am further to inform the Lok Sabha that in pursuance of the above motion, the follow 5. Shri. Mohinder Singh Lather ing members of the RaIYa Sabha have been duly elected to the said Committee:- 6. Dr. G. Vijaya Mohan Reddy 1. Shri. Vishajit P. Singh 7. Shrimati Kamla Sinha' 2. Shri. H. Hanumanthappa (iii) 'I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held 3. Shri. R.K. Dhawan on wednesday, the 4th September, 1991 adopted the following motion in regarding to 4. Shri. Ish Dutt Yadav the Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes:- 5. Shri. J.P. Javali "That this House resolves that the Rajya 6. Shri. Murasoli Maran Sabha do join the Committee of both the Houses on the Welfare of Scheduled 7. Shri. Dipen Ghosh' Castes and Scheduled Tribes for the term ending on the 30th April, 1992 and (ii)'1 am directed to inform the Lok Sabha do proceed to elect in accordance with that the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the system of proportional representa Wednesday, the 4th September, 1991, tion by means of the single transferable adopted the following motion in regard to the vote ten Members from among the committee on Public Undertakings:- Members of the House to serve on the said Committee. "That this House concurs in the recom menda1ion of the Lok Sabha that the I am further to inform the Lok Sabha that RaIYa Sabha do agree to nominate in pursuance of the above motion. the follow seven members from Rajya Sabha to ing members of the RaIYa Sabha have been associate with tll9 committee on Public duly elected to the said Committee:- Undertaking of Lok Sabha for the term ending on the 30th April, 1992, and do 1. Shri. Chaturanan Mishra proceed to elect in such manner as the chairman may direct, seven members 2. Shri. M. Vincent from among the members of the House to serve on the said Committee: 3. Shri. Radhakishan Malaviya 419 Petition Re: Need for an SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Cancellation of Gen. 420 Inctuq into the funaion~ngof Elsctions in Punjab Bin v.P. Chest Institute, DeIhl &A.C. Repott - 4. Shri. S.K.T. Ramachandran Report of the Business Advisory com mittee presented to the House on the 5. Shri. Khyomo Lotha 11th September, 1991.- 6. Shri. Rajubhai A. Parmar MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 7. Kumari Sushila liria "That this House do agree with the Fifth Report of the Business Advisory com 8. Shri. Anantray Devshanker mittee presented to the House on the Dave 11th September, 1991.- 9. Shri. Sunil Basu Ray The motion was adopted. 10. Shri. Anand Prakash Gautam' 13.45 hr•• CANCELLATION OF GENERAL ELEC 13.43 hrs. TIONS IN PUNJAB BILL PETITION RE: NEED FOR AN INQUIRY [Eng/ish} IN TO THE FUNCTIONING OF V.P. CHEST INSTITUTE, DELHI. MR. SPEAKER: Now, we go to legisla· tive business. [Eng/ish] SHRJ. VIJAYA BHASKARA REDDY. SHRt. K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Badagara): Sir, I beg to present a petition SHRI. LAL K. ADVANI(Gandhi Nagar): signed by Dr. P.S. Sahni, Orthopeadic Sur· Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am on a point of order. geon and Medico Social Worker and six others regarding need for an inquiry into the MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of functioning of V.P. Chest Institute, Deihl. Order? 13.44 hr•• SHRI. LAL K. ADVANI: My point of order relates to the procedure and it is a point BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITIEE that had been raised earlier also by my colleague Jaswant Singhji in respect of Fifth Report another Bill. I would like to emphasize that there is a logic behind the directions of the (Eng/ish) speaker which is being totally disregarded by the Government in these mailers. Ther. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE was a time when there was no obligation on MIN ISTRY OF PARlIAMENTARY AFFAIRS the Government to give formal notice of a Bil AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS to be introduced and it was only in 1957 that TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY certain difficulties arose on this account AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAt.4ANGALAM): Sir, I beg to move: Sir,in Practice and Procedure of Parlia ment by Kaul and Shakdher at page 493, it is "That this House do agree with the Fifth stated that: 421 Cancellation of Gen. BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Elections in Punjab Bil' 422 ·Prior to the issue of· .this direction, least. In this particular case, the Bill is dated namely direction 19 (b) in 1957, the the 6th of September, 1991 which means practice was to circulate copies of Bills that you too have not been given a notice of to Members after their introduction in seven days and we, certainly, have not been the House, although a few copies were given notice. This is a matter relating to kept in the lobby at the time of introduc Punjab elections about which even before tion for the information of Members. this Session commenced, we kept on read Since previslen exlsted under rule 72 ing in the newspapers that the Government for any Member to oppose a motion for proposes to cancel the elections. Therefore, leave to introduce a Bill, the demand no situation has arisen which has obligated was made now and them that Bills for in the Government to come to the House as in troduction should be circulated in ad the caee of emergency that we had no ap vanee so that Members might be aware propriate notice earlier and therefore, we of the contents of a Bill at the time of could not inform you. voting on the motion for introd!Jction in compliance with the wishes of the I wish that this Bill had not been included House.- in the List of Business today. BIIt you have included it. Therefore, all that I can say is, This direction was issued by the Speaker I plead with you not to waive this regulation, on 13.9.1957. if you have waived it already ana to ream sider the matter and request the Govern Now, direction 19 (B) says: ment to come forth with this Bill tomofiOW or day aHel. TIl is is my request "No Bill shall be included for introduc tion in the list of business for a day until THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE after caples thereof have begn made MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS availoble for the use of Members for at AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS least two days before the day on which TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY the Bill is proposed to be introduced.· AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): I disagree with what Sir, the loQic is very clear from the the hon. Leader of the Opposition says with passage that I have read out from Practice regard to giving sufficient notice in respect of and Procedure of Parliament by Kaul and both circulation as well as notice to the Shakdher and in this particular case, I must Speaker. Fortunately, in this particular case, admit that I would have iiked to be more I think, we have not been caught on the equipped on the constitutional validity of this wrong foot. particular rule.' am going to oppose it cn the grounds of legislative competance of the On the 10th of this month, two days ago, House also, when the permission is sought in the mornino circulation was done of the from the HOlJSe to introduce the Bill. I have Bill, there by meeting the requirement of the just now seen the Bill and therefore I have rules. Sufficient notice as required under raised this point of order to seek from you a rule 19 (a) was given of intention to move. direction to the Government that in this par When we give notice of intention to move, ticular case, the Members of the House Mr. Speaker, Sir, Vie do not usually give a should be given more time because it is copy of the Bill. As soon as the Bill is ready ordinarily supposed that you also would be within our Department, ira the Legislative given a notice of seven days and the mem Department, it is s6nt for printing. Normally bers will be given a notice of two days at the date. which is affixed, i.e. 6th of Septem- 423 eanc.I/ation 01 Gen. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 E1sctions in Punjab BiR 424 [Sh. Rangarajan KumaramangalamJ indefinitely. Therefore, we can say that this House does not have any legislative compe ber In this case, Is the date on which printing tence. If it was to be done, it could have been Is done. We have given sufficient notice, as done by bringing a Constitution Amendment wenuwe had given copleaofthe Bill in time. Bill. It should not be done through an Ordl· It was circulated on 10th of this month. nary law. Therefore, the question of waiver does not arise. [EngHsh] SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf SHRI. K. VUAYA BHASKARA REDDY: farpur): I may say that I did receive this Bill in On a point of order. the envelope on the 10th. At the time of introdudion of the Bill. he MR. SPEAKER: I think. they have satis cannot go into the merits of the Bill. Accord fied the requirements. ing to rule 72(1) of the Rules of Procedure: SHRI. JASWANTSINGH (Chittorgarh): ·Provided that where a motion is op Advanlji asked me. Sinct I had not seen the posed on the ground that the Bill initi Bill, I said so. The error is mine. ates legislation outside the legislative competence of the HOllse, the Speaker MR. SPEAKER: The Minister may ask may permit a full discussk>n thereon". for leave to introduce the Bill. He cannot go into the merits. THE MINISTER OF LAW. JUSTICE ANDCOMPANYAFFAIRS(SHRI.K.VUAYA SHRI. LAL K.. ADVANI: Perhaps the BHASKARA REDDY): I beg to move for hon. Minister has not been listening to the leave to introduce a Bill to cancel certain translation which I am sure must have been notifications calling for general elections in correct. I may speak in English to communi relation to the State of Punjab. cate diredly. MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: I would say that so far as the merits of the Bill are concerned when it is taken up for "That leave be granted to introduce consideration it would be an occasion that I • Bill to cancel certain notifications would oppose. Even then. on merits also, I calling for general elections in rela may oppose. tion to the State of Punjab. But. at this point of time, I may point out [Translation] to the Govermnent that this House does not have the legislative competence to enact a SHRI. LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): Bill of this nature. Hit has been a Constitutional Mr. Speaker. Sir. I oppose the introductil)n of Amendment Bill. it would have been a differ this Bill. 'oppose it because this Bill will ent case. But the scheme of the Constitution further deteriorate the situation in Punjab is that there should be elections to every ;nstead of Improving it. IlNOuld liko to discuss State Assembly every five years. That is the it at length at the consideration stage, but I scheme of the Constitution. oppose the Bill on this ground also that the Constitution does not empower this House The only exceptions are if there is impo to suspend the already announced elections sition of President's Rule and, there too, the 42S Clmcellation of Gen. BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) Elections in Punjab Sill 426 Constituti~n provides a limit or, if there Is an but whose objective was to disrupt elections Emergency in that State. These are the two somehow and then the whole exercise of exceptions. providing protection would be confined to party candidates which could be a much There is Article 174 which provides that smaller number and, therefore, it would be a the duration. the intarvening period between feasible proposition. Somehow, this was not two Sessions of an Assembly should not, accepted and so it became easy for the under any circumstances, exceed six months. assassins to go on bumping of one candi date after another. May be in the course of Now these are the constraints within the campaign itself, the Government could which elect:ons to an Assembly should be have taken notice of it and decided not to held. hold an election. Nothing of that kind hap pened and the Governor went about trying to Till now on so many occasions we have make all necessary arrangements to see postponed elections of Punjab. The last that the polls were conducted properly, as elections to the Punjab Assembly were heid fairly as possible, on 22nd June and just one In 1985, if I am correct and. that Assembly day before 22nd June, the elections were lasted fort'No years. Since 1987, for the last postponed. But they are postponed only to four years, there have been no Assembly be held any time before the 30th of Septem elections in Punjab and there is no represen ber. For the first time, we are going to give tation there in the State of Punjab. Every one legislative imprimatur. We are going to give is aware of it and we will discuss it when we parliamentary sanction not to just postpone discuss the merits of the case. ment of elections but to cancellation of elections indefinitely. But today what I wish to say is that a notification was issued in the month of April It says that in view of the aforesaid for holding an elec:tion. Those elections circumstances and difficulties and also to were subsequently postponed a bit and uhi guard against further loss of lives of the mately on perhaps the 22nd of June, the candidates and other innocent persons--I elections were held as scheduled to be held. am reading from the Statement of Objects We have m3de certain suggestions on that and Reasons--it has become necessary to in order to see that the possibility of those cancel the notifications calling for general indulging in violence were not able to disrupt elections in the State of Punjab for the pres the course of elections. Certain suggestions ent. Elections shall be held as soon as were made by my party. Unfortunately they proper arrangements are made. I am sure were not accepted by the Government that anyone can see that in the circum because we suggested that as it has been stances in which Punjab is today, this kind of done in the earlier case, when Punjab elec indefinite postponement of elections can tions were held, left there be an Ordinanca mean permanent postponement of elections under which, if an independent candidate is • There will be permanent postponement of killed or dies during an election, the elections elections. No elections shall be held in would not be countermanded. The intention Punjab because this kind of a situation pre was to see that independent candidates who vails. You just realise what is going to be the are always numerous, in large number, are impact of this on Punjab itself. There is a under no threat of any kind. It would have political consequence of it. The situation is given them automatic protection from the very serious. Therefore I hold that constitu hands of these assassins whose objective tionally this House is not in a position to was not a particular independent candidate cancel this election by a simple legislation of 427 Cancellation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Elections in Punjab 8ill 428 [Sh. LK. Advani} [Translation) this nature. It needs a constitutional amend SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: I am ment On merits also, should not be done. It not referring to proceedings of the Consulta would convey a very wrong signal to the tive C-ommittee, I am quoting just all that has common citizens of Punjab. The greatest appeared in newspapers. All this was re damage that could have been done for the peatad again and again by the Minister of conduct of elections was done on 21 st of Home Affairs in the meeting. Lately the han. June. A couple of my own party candidates Minister has reiterated time and agair. both were killed. One or two candidates have in the House as well as outside the House been ki!led even after that. Elections are that the situation in Punjab has been improv supposed to be held by 30th of September. ing. The han. Ministers statement of 10th Even after all these killings, after crores of can be seen in the newspapers of 11 tho I rupees have been spent on transferring went through the Bill in the morning before paramilitary forces from the whole country to going to the meoting. The statement of the Punjab, we are going to cancel elections and objectives and reasons of the Bill say:- covey to the people of Punjab this message that we cannot ha ..e elections in Punjab at [English] my time until it is aDsolutely quite normal there. I don't think this is a wise and prudent "The tarrcrist activities in the State are step, on any score. I fee: that in this particu on the increase and after the announca lar mattar the Government would do weli to ment of elections, large-scale killing!:; withdrawthe Bill and not to introduce the Bill. and massacre of innocent people have If&elthe House would do Vlell not to allow the taken piace .... Government to introduce the BiI:. [ Translation] [ Translation) One organ of the Government seys that the situation in Punjab is fast returning to SHRI.GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf normalcy and the other organ i.e. the hon. farpur): A little while ago I told my friend from Minister of Law says that the situation has tne opposition benches that the Bill was gone from bad to worse and hence the circulated on 10th and that too when he present legislation. raising of constitutional raised the issue of circulation of the Bill. I points by Shri. Advani is a different matter. remember the date because on 10th, I went but when the Government is saying two to attend the meeting of the Consultative different things, how can the House trust the Committee attached to the Ministry of Home intentions and sincerity of the Government in Affairs at 9 A.M. after having gone through bringing the legislation. How can any organ the Bill in the morning. In the meeting the of the Government be trusted and repo.;ed han. Minister of Home Affairs stated in his faith, when two organs make different state speech that the situation in Punjab was ment s as was seen today in the matter of improving ••• (Interruptions) .• Bofors. An hon. Minister stated that there is no prima facie case. but the hon. Minister of [English) Law aays that the orders of the Supreme Court are going to be pursued. In such a MR. SPEAKER: We do not refer to the situation we will give more credence to what proceedings of the Consultative Committee the hon. Minister of Law says because his meetings here. knowledge of these things is far more than 429 cancellation of Gen. BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Elections in Punjab Bill 430 the hon. Minister of Health, who does not conducted because of non availability of fully know the details. He has not full knowl Para military forces. In' the elections in edge of anything except the one, which is various pan of the country, para military never discussed in the House. forces and polic:e rendered every assistance. Elections were conducted in three days all [Eng/ish) over the country and now the elections in Punjab are being deferred for non-availabil SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN ity of para military forces. There can be no GALAM: It is not fair to make that comment. better way of misleading the House than this. The hon. Minister is not present now. Sir, rr.y submission is that this Bill should SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: Ido not be opposed on two grounds. I know that you know whether one can make a light. -hearted are very impartial but set the present Gov comment or not. ernment right so that it does not indulge in misleading the House in this fashion. SHRI. RANGARAJAN KUMAnAMAN GALAM: It must be genuinely light-hearted. Sir, two issues are clearly misleading. (Interruptions). One the situation In Punjab and the other non- availability of Para military forces. The [ Translation] non. Members are not school going kids. It is quite astonishing that para military forces SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: We are not available with the Government to gave more credence to the hon. Minister of hold elections in 12-13 lok Sabha constitu Law because of his adroitness in such mat encies and Vidhan Sabha constituencies in tars. Simiiarly the hon. Minister of Home Punjab. How is it possible that adequate Anairs knows about the conditions prevail forces are noi available for holding elections ing in Punjab better and not the hon. Minister in Punjab, wher elections could be con of Law. The hon. Minister of Home Affairs ducted ir: 530 Lok Sabha constituencies and fully knows his duties and responsibilities 4000 Vidhar. Sabha constituencies? Why and only out of a sense of duty he told us that does the governme"t take the House lightly? the situation in Punjab was improving. Do not try •• the House. I won't agree with what you say. I will stop my speach, but I I would like to raise another Issue. The won't yield. The Bill needs to be rejected with Bill today has beer. moved, but the House ample courage. must be remembering clearly the circum stances in which the elections in Punjab [Eng/ish] were postponed. Elections in Punjab were not postponed because of the worsening of MR. SPEAKER: That word will not go conditions. It was done only when it became on record. apparent that a new Government was going to assume office in Delhi. Election Commis [ Trans/ation] sion took the stand of holding the elections in Punjab, even in difficult circumstances that SHRI. GEORGE FERNANDES: I with were prevailing in the state at that time. So draw the word. It is now tor the Government everyone jumpfJd into the election fray. At to react and withdraw the Bill. 'that time all the preparations were made and many persons even lost their lives but now SHRt. GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pall): Mr. it is being said that elections cannot be Speaker, Sir, with your permission I raise a 431 CanctII/ation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Elec1ions In Punjab Bill 432 [Sh. Guman Mal Lodha] (TIMslation] constitutional matter. I would not like to (Interruptions) repeat what Shri. Advani and the hon. Member has stated in the House just now. Issue of expenditure is separate. A Article 329 of the constitution clearly states fundamental bedrock of democracy is at that Issues connected with elections cannot stake. But here, campaign was undertaken be risad anywhere. While interpreting Ar-' and expenditure was incurred. Elections are tiele 329, the Supreme Court and the High being sought to be stalled through this legi. Court have stated that all the election stages lative measure. Despite all the expenses Le. nomination, filing, withdrawl and uncon and rolling of election process, which was tested declaration start with the notification initiated during the tenure of Shri Chandra for elections. Under section 58 of R.P. Act, Shekhar and boycotted by the Congress (I), presiding oHicers and returning officers have now in power at the Centre, the elections the powers to postpone elections if an ex have been sought to be stalled. Tomorrow traordinary situation arises. there may be some other party in power, but it is not good to stall the election process The enactment of present legislation whatever may be the opinion of the Govem will create a constitutional crises in the ment about bloodshed and law and order in country and any political party will misuse it Punjab. We do not doubt the sincerity of the according to its convenience. In the case of Govpmment, but still it is not good to sus defeat staring in the face, any political party pend election process. Even if constitutional will get the elections suspended or post amendment is carried through in article 368\ poned four days before the date of polling, through the road roller majority at its com [English] mand. Then the maHer can neither be peti tioned nor can the writ be filed in any High Because it goes against the basic struc Court. ture of the Constitution. It means violating the fundamental stature of the Constitution. 18-19 by elections are due in Uttar [ Translation) Pradesh. The legislation will go down as a black law in the annals of history. The very In that case, the Supreme Court will basis of elections i.e honesty and impartiality strike it down.therefore,1 would like to cite will suffer. Therefore, I submit that the issue two judgements. If need be I will read them does not pertain to Punjab alone. The issue out in full. The first judgements pertains to before us is whether after the process of 1970 elections, Rampatkar-versus.Jatti, the filing of nominations for elections and with Ex-Vice-President of India, SCC page 147 drawl is over, the election of an unopposed and the other relates to Ramaswami-Versus candidate will stand nullified with the enact Krishna, 1963 AIR Supreme Court Page ment of present law? This is a serious matter 458-461. Both the judgements lay down that and I would like the hon. Minister of law to election process set rolling once cannot be clarify it. stafled through either a legislative measure or by courts as a cardinal principle. There (English] fore, we must deeply ponder over the issue as it will guide the future of history of our Can we set them aside? Can we undo country, the democracy and will also be that? This can always happen.( Interruptions) come a parliamentary convention. While 433 Cancellation of Gen. BHADRA21,1913(SAKA) ElectionsinPunjabBiU 434 opposing the Bill. I would Uke to state that If Act, 1951. Therefore, the Constitution gave there was a nead for legislation. how could this competence to this House how the elec the Election Commission defer the elections tions will be conducted. how they will be In Punjab. If the election process Is interfer held. We have already enacted that in cer red with either by the election Commission or tain cases elections may be postponed, may through enactment of legislation. it will be be countermanded. But nowhere we have like murdering a still born child or murder and said that the whole process will be cancelled. rape of our democratic set up. If you see. In the Representation of people Act. there are provisions in Chapter III, ar Therefore. I request and submit that ticles 52.57,58 and 58-A. These are the only since I have got constitutional objections, provisions under which elections can be the leave to introduce the Bill should not be postponed. It can be countermanded If be granted. fore the process of the polling starts, a can didate is killed or is dead. Then the right goes [EngDshl to the Returning Officer. If he is satisfied that the candidate has died, has been killed, he SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV can postpone and communicate it to the (Azamgarh): Sir. I am opposing the introduc Election Commissioner. In certain cases tion of this Bill on the basis of the legislative under those articles of Representation of competency of this House. Besides. the other people Act, the Election Commission has aspect of the cancellation of the entire proc also got the right in cases where booth ess of the election. will give a very wrong capturing has taken place, where the elec signal to the whole country; it will also give a tion counting process has been disrupted, very wrong signal to the functioning of the where ballot-boxes were destroyed. In those parliamentary democracy in our country. cases only, the Election Commission has got the right either to countermand or to How the elections should be held and postpone the election. Election Commission how it should be conducted is provided in our has got the right in those special cases also Constitution from Articles 324 to 329A. These only to extend the dates, which in the case of are the only provisions in our Constitution Punjab, they did. But how was it done? The and Article 324(1) of the Constitution very most objectionable thing is which has never clearly says that: happened in free India, that the election processes for the whole State are going to "That superintendence, direction and be cancelled and a Bill is being brought control of the preparation of the electral before this House that entire process should rolls for. and the conduct of. all elections be cancelled because it suits the ruling Party. to Parliament and to the Legislature of Even the Representation of people Act does every State and of elections to the of not give them right. That is the only Act which fices of President and Vice-President the Parliament has enacted. The election in held under this Constitution, shall be Punjab was to be held on 22nd of June. On vested in a Commission (referred to in 21 st June at 4 a.m. in the morning. a journal this Constitution as the Election Com ist got in touch with the Governor of Punjab mission)· and asked him. -Is the election going to be postponed?· The governor replied. -Is It so? These are the only Articles which relate I have no knowledge. - Now the whole coun to the holding. conducting of the elections in try knows that the Governor resigned only on our country. Under these Articles. now, we this issue because the whole elections were had passed the Representation of the People postponed with serious political implications. 435 CallC9llation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12,1991 EJections in Punjab BiN 438 MR SPEAKER: If you want to find out which they have. The Chief Election Com whether this legislature has the competence missioner or the Election Commission has or not, we go to the Union List, Concurrnet no right to go beyond that. Neither they or List and the State lisllf it is mentioned in the the Government can cancel the entire proc State List, the jurisdiction is barred. Hit is not ess because the Representation of People mentioned in the State list, then under re Act and the Constitution does not give that siduary powers also, this legislature ... (Inter right to them. Sir, ! would say that this will set IUptions) up not only a wrong practice but this will go against the constitutional provisions of our SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Will country. This will damage the democratic you just listen? I am not saying that this processes in our country. Democracy will be House has no right to pass an Ad. destroyed if, by the sweet will of any Govern ment. th9 elections are postponed just three MR. SPEAKER:Thatis exactly the point four hours before the polling was to start like we have to discuss at this point of time. that of Punjab. It was to start at 7 AM and at 4 AM. the Governor, who was responsible to SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: You must conduct the elections. did not have any differentiate between the two. There are two knowledge and only on that issue, he re positions. (Interruptions) Passing of an Act is signed saying that he cannot do anything one thing and acting according to that Act is which will go against the Constitution and a different thing. We passed an Act. We anything which will go against the Constitu should act according to that Ad. The Act tion and anything which will hurt the feelings does not give power to anybody to cancel the of the people of Punjab. The excuse that is entire process of the election. The election mentioned in the Statement of Objects and can be postponed. Reasons of the Bill why the process is being cancelled is not correct. Election was held in The right thing for the Government would Assam in the same condition(lnteffuptions) have been to bring an amendment in the Representation of people Act either to make MR. SPEAKER: You go into the merits it retrospective that it will also apply to Punjab of the Bill at this point of time. or to bring an emendment in the Constitution only for the pUrpoS9S of Punjab, for no other ( Interruptions) purposes. In this House we have passed earlier. We have amended the Constitution SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Yes, I only for the purpose of Punjab for no other will speak about that later on. purpose. We made a very specific amend ment in the Constitution that it will apply in a MR. SPEAKER: So, will you speak specific situation only for Punjab for a certain again? period, not beyond that. Therefore, I am saying that the Government is doing an act SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: I will which will damage the very basis of our speak on the Bill certainly when it will come democracy. Really speaking. you are trying and if you allow me. to undermine and destroy a body which has been constituted under the Constitution. the So. my request is that you should also Election Commission. The Election Com go through it carefully. My request Is that II mission has already announced that on the should not be made a technical thing. You 30th of September, that Is, this month, elec read the constitutional provisions and the tions should start there. That is the only right People's Representation Act. 437 Cancellation of Gen. BHADRA 21,1913 (SA,i(A) Elections in Punjab BiR 438 MR. SPEAKER: You do not give too Members who have opposed this Bill on the much of discretion to the speaker also. That ground of legislative competence have, in . is also not good. fact, opposed it on merits only or showed that there is no propriety to pass this Bill. As SHRI CHANDRA JEET YAOAV: Sir, far as the legislative competence is con ultimately you have to decide whether the cerned, I may ~int out that Item 72 of the Bill has legislative competence or not (Inter· Union List gives this power to this House. ruptions) It says: MR. SPEAKER: No. I do net decide. The House will decide. -Elections to Parliam.ent. to the Legislatures of States and to the SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Inthe offices of President, Vice-President ultimate analysis, the House will and the Election Commission .. decide ••. (Interruptions) ... The House will decide on the introduction of the Bill also. This Bill clearly relates to elections to Pa~liament and State legislatures. There MR. SPEAKER: The House decides by fore, I say that there is a clear provision in the voting. Constitution that this House has got the legislative competenc.e as far as this Bill is (Interruptions) concerned. SHRI CHANDRAJEETYADAV: What I Now the leader of the Opposition Shri am saying is that the introduction of theoBiII Advani has also ended his speech by saying will be decided by the House itself. Please that it would be a most unwise and not listen with patience. You are in so much prudent step to pass this Bill. So, he did not excitement that ~'ou do not have the patience certainly oppose it on the grounds of legisla to listen. I am saying that the introduction of tive competence. He has merely said thai the Bill is decided by the House. Therefore, this is for the first time that this type of a Bill neither the Constitution nor the Representa has been brought. Bit the situation in Punjab tion of People Act giv6s them any power to is also unique and it is for the first time that cancel the process of 6lections. This will be such a situation has arisen. So, this too does a very undemocratic process and this will not affect the legislative competence of this erode the faith of the people in norma! elec House. He also stated that instead of an tions of our country and that will become a ordinary law, a constitutional law shouid very serious thing. have been passed. Put he has not supported his arguments with any of the Articles in the With these words, I request the Law Constitution. This too shows thai legislative Minister not to show us Item 77 of the Union competence is there. There may btl a differ list. It is mentioned there that the Govern ence of opinion on what type of law should be ment has the power to enact the Act but the passed. Han object can he achieved by two Constitution does not give you the power to ways, Government may choose one way cancel the process of elections. Please do and you may think the other way would be not introduce the Bill otherwise the House better. should reject it. Similarly. Shri ChandraJeet Yadav said SHRI SHARAD DIGHE (Bombay-North that the Representation of People's Ad Central): Mr. Speaker Sir, all the three hon. should have been amended. That may also 439 Cancellation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Elections in Punjab BiD 440 (Sh. Sharad Dighel SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I wID speak strictly on my point of order. be a way of achieving this object. But if the Government has chosen this particular way SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN of passing this Act, there Is nothing wrong as GALAM: With regard to legislative compe far as legislative competence is concerned. tence It is very very clear that is the Parlia Shri Chandra Jeet Yadav referred to Articles ment alone which has the authority to enact 324, 329(A) ete. These Articles merely refe, any legislation with regards to elections. Ie election rules, on how to conduct elections Actually under RP Act, the power to call for and 80 on. That is there in the Representa elections on the racommendationof the Chief tion Act and there is no power lor the Election Election Commissioner Is with the President Commissioner to cancel an election. He can of India Normally, if one wanted to pull the postpone the elections to a further date. But Interpretation a little further, one could have here, the Govemment wants to achievelt'e done it by saying that taking into considera object of cancelling the elections completely. tion the General Clauses Act and its Interpre Therefore, what I say is that there is a clear tation, when we have the power to call for provision under Article 72. elections, we have the power to cancel the elections as well. When one did not want to As far as the speech of Shrl George pull the interpretation that far, one could Fernandes is concemed, he has not spoken have gone a little further and said that the RP on the competence of the House at all. He Act may be amended. Shri Chandra Jeet made a political speech and opposed the Yadav made this suggestions saying that Bill. He went to the extent of saying that the the RP Act may be amended to empower the Speaker should reject it. I do not know what President to cancel the elections. The Gov legislative competence the Speaker has got emment thought it fit not to do either way. to reject the Bill which is sought to be Intro We felt, since cancellation of an election Is a duced by the Government. It Is absolutely very important aspect, it should not be left to Impossible for the Speaker to do 10 at this the executive or to any single constitutional stage. Under Article 72. It has complete authority. It should be something that the legislative competence ad all these argu House shouid take upon Itself, In every In ments hold no water at all. stance whenever a situation arises, taking Into consideration the various aspects that are involved, and pass a specific legislation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE with full seriousness if a particular election MIN ISTRY OF PARlIAMENTARY AFFAIRS has to be cancelled for whatever reason. It AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS may be required. I do not want to got Into the TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY reasons now though I wish to disagree with AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN the han. Member Shrl Georg. Femande. KUMARAMANGALAM): Mr. Speaker, Sir, that there Is a controversy or diff.rence of Shri Dighe has clearly brought out the legis opinion between the Home Ministry and the lative competence aspect. Law Ministry. W. think alke and we act collectively. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Sir, I am on a point of order. before you come to. SHRIGEORGE FERNANDES: But you conclusion, I may be given a chance. speak dlfferentlyl MR. SPEAKER: This time, wUlyou speak SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Or strictly on legal matte,.? hesitantly or haltingly. 441 CaraIWIon of Gen. BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) E/ec1Jons In Punjsb BII 442 SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN "The Statement of ObJICII and Rea GALAM: lam neither hllhant no halting. It Is sons has to be framed in non-tlChnl due to a bit of virus In my throat. cal language. It should not be unduly long nor should It contain anything of I may clarify categoratly that this argumentary character and It may be Govemment took a decision to move a revisad If the Speaker so deslral. lpICJfic Bill to cancel the elections In order Moreover. it Is to be signed by the that we could set down a precedent thai no Member In charge elf the BUI. State elections would be cancelled by either an ment can be amended by Member In eXlCutlve authority or atrf constllutlonal charge of the BUI with the permission authority suo motu and it would be done only of the Speaker at the time of Introduc by the legislature keeping the various as Ing the BID. Any lacuna In the State pects In mind. We thought this Is the most ment cI Objects and Reasons must democratic and most appropriate forum and be pointed out at the time cllntroduc this Is the most appropriate method by which tlon of Bill. A point raised In that r. we can do it. It Is the Parliament which has gard at the consideration stage cI the legislative competence from the point of Bill Is not valld.- view of both propriety as well .. legal provi sions. And I request the House to grant leave Now. Sir. I have pointed out a lacuna In for the Introduction of the BilL the Objecls and Reasons. I don' want the Law Minister to take amiss. I don't want SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I ralsea anyone to take ami ... But there are certain point of order under Rule 65(1) which says:- points where the Govemment may think alike; act alike but If Govemment speaks In -Any Member. other than a Minister. different languages then people come to desiring to move for leave to Intro different Ci!)ncluslons. The message that you duce a Bill. shan give notice cI his are sending out everyday through one 180- Intention. and shall together with the lion of the Govemment Is that thing. are notice. submit a copy of the Bin and ImprOving. We know the situation on the an explanatory Statement of Objects ground; we know the reality on the ground. and Reasons which Ihall not contain You move a BID on the 12th of September arguments: and sign on the 6th of September a Stat.. ment saying that the situation hu now Provided that the Speaker may. completely reached a atage where we are If he thinks fit. revise the Statement of able to hold the elections and two days' after," Objects and Reuonl.- four days' after to be very precise. on the 10th the Home Minister makes a Statement . Apart from raising this point of order which had gone to the people of Punjab. under Rule 65(1). I also wn to go back to this. Sir, creates an Impreulon that there Is the rulings glvan by the Spelkers In legisla definitely a lacuna In eo far u the Govern tive matters that came before this House menrs dlCillon Is concernad. once on 16 December 1860 and once on 5 August 1988. I am also falUng back on KaLIl Secondly, SIr. I wID take greater 0bjec and Shakdher. 1991 edlllon. paga 485. Sir, tion to the latter part of th. Statement of the,. II a sub-ch.er In the Statement of Objects and Reasons where the Govern 0bjectI and Reasons. I wit not raad the fIrIt ment says that we do not have adequate paragraph. I win go to the Second P.. ucurftyfolcelto hoIdthe elections In Punjab. graph. It ..: Nobody In his ..n ... Is going to buy 1hII 443 Cancellation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Elections in Punjab Bill 444 (Sh. George Fernandes) only at this stage. It cannot do it tomorrow or day after tomorrow when discussion is taken argument: either here in the country or any up. So, it depends upon the Government. To where in the world nobody can accept the that extent the point of order is very valid. argument that the Government of India - which has I think the fo~r:h largest standing SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGA· army in the world, whose paramilitary forces, LAM: Sir, I made it very clear that there is no whose police and so on and so forth are contradiction. H the Hon. Member wants to greater in numbar than the army - is unable see the contradiction which does not exist, I to hold eJections in a small State for 13 seats cannot help it. in Parliament and 117 seats in the State Assembly. SHRI MOHAN SINGH (Deoria): Sir, Article 327 of the Constitution says: How can one allow such kind of objects and reasons to become a part of the record ·Subject to the provisions of this of this House? After all, there is something Constitution, Parliament may from called responshility; there is something caned time to time by law make provision being very precises and very objective. One with respect to all matters relating to, does see the problem which the Govern or in connection with, elections to ment is facing but that should not be incorpo either House of Parliament or to the rated in the Objects and Reasons as they House or either House of Legislature have merged here. Therefore, my appeal to of a State including the preparation of you. Sir, is to ask the Government to revise electoral rolls, the delimitation of con the Statement of Objeds and Reasons and stituencies and all other matters come forward with the BiD, if you have other necessary for securing the due con views about the Bill. If you agree, that our stitutions of such House or Houses.- suggestions are••. ( Trarlslation] MR SPEAKER: This is coercing me. The House is going to enact a law in SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: In the exercise of the powers vested in it to consti event you feel that this Bill, as far as our tute various legislative bodies. But it has earlier Constitutional objections etc. are restricted powers in this regards and the concerned, does not hold water, then, Sir, proposed legislation will not be helpful in the my submission is that you at least ask the constitution of the House. That is why it is Minister to revise the Objects and Reasons beyond the jurisdiction of the House. There and reimoduce the Bil. fore, it should be reconsidered ... (/ntemJP lions) MR. SPEAKER: ldo not know what was the view of the Hon. Home Minister. The [English] point is very inteDigently made. But it is not in order.' don' uphold it. MR. SPEAKER: Again, the point has SHRI LAl. K. ADVANI: Sir, the point of been made very intelligently but then it says order is valid to a basic thing that if a contra ·relating to the House-. It does not speak diction has been pointed out and the Gov about Constitution or non-constitution. I do ernment does want to revise It, it can do it not uphold it. 445 Cancellation of Gefl. BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) Elections in Punjab BiD 446 Now. the question is: MR. SPEAKER: Now, Division. "That leave be granted to introduce a The Lok Sabha Divided Bill to cancel certain notifications calling for general elections inrelation to the State of Punjab.- Division No. 4 Those who are in favour may say 'Aye' 14.42 hrs. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: 'Aye' AYES As on 20 Sept., 1991 MR. SPEAKER: Those who are against may say 'No' A SOME liON. ME:MBERS: 'No' ".charia, Shri Basu Deb (Bankura) MR. SPEAKER: I think 'Ayes' have it Ahamed, Shri E. (Manjeri) 'Ayes' have it. Arunachalam, Shri M. (Tenkasi) SHRILAL K. ADVANI: 'Noes' have it. B MR. SPEAKER: Let the lobbies be Barman, Shri Uddhab (Barpeta) cleared- Basu, Shri Chitta (Barasat) MR. SPEAKER: Now, the Lobbies have been cleared. Bhonsle, Shri Prataprao B. (Satara) The question is: Bhuri&, Shri Dileep Singh (Jhabua) MThat leave be granted to introduce a Bill to cancel certain notifications c calling for general elections in rela tion to the State of Punjab-. Chacko, Shri P.C. (Trichur) Chaliha, Shri Kirip (Guwahati) Those who are in favour may say 'Aye'. Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal (Durg) SEVERAL HaN. MEMBERS: 'Ayo' Chatterjee, Shri Nirmal Kanti (Dumdum) MR. SPEAKER: Those who are against Chaudhri, Shri Narain Singh (Hissar) may say 'No' Choudhury, Shri. Saifuddin (Katwa) SOME HON. MEMBERS: 'No'. D MR. SPEAKER: Ayes have it, Ayes Dennis, Shri N. (Nagercoil) have It. ".~.. , Deara, Shri Murli (Bombay South) . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Noes have it, n"8S have it. DeY, Shri Sontosh Mohan (Tripura West) 447 Cancellation 01 Gen. SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 EIec:Iions In PunjeBlH 448 Dlghe, Shrl Sharad (Bombay North Kurlen, Prof. P.J. (Mav.'lkara) Central) L Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra (Blrbhum) Lakshm ..nan, Prof. Savlthrl (Mukun· o ~) . Ganguli, Shrl Prathap Reddy M Ghatowar, Shrl Paban Singh (Dlbru- Malik. Shrl Puma Chandra (Durgapur) garh) Mallkaljun, Shrl (Mahbubnagar) Giri, Shri Sudhlr (Contai) Mandai, Shrl Sanat Kumar (Joynagar) Giriyappa. Shrl C.P. Mudala (Chi tradurga) Mathew, Shri Paia K.M. (ldukld) Gogoi, Shri Tarun (Katiabor) Mathur, Shrl Shiv Charan (Bhilwara) Gudadinn~ Shri B.K. (Bijapur) Misra. Shri Satyagopal (Tamluk) Gupta, Shri Indrajit (Midnapor.) Moliah, Shri Hannan (Uluberia) H Mukhopadhyay, Shrl Ajoy (Kriahnagar) Hossain, Shri Syed Masudal (Murshi Mural.. Dharan, Shri K. (Calicut) dabad) Muttemwar, Shrl Vilas (Chlmur) Inder Jit, Shrl (Darj_ling) N .. Narayanan, Shri P.G. (Goblch.ttipa· layam) Janarthanan, Shrl M.R. Kadambur (Tirunelv.'1) 0 Jeevarathinam, Shrl R. (Arakonam) Odeyar, Shrl Channalah (Dava.,.) K P Kahandole, Shri z.M. (MaIegam) Pati~ Shrl Prakash V. (Sengll) Kanlthi, Dr. Vilwanatham (Srkakulam) PatII, ShrI Uttamrao Oeorao (Vavatmal) Kaul, ShrImati She.. (Rae Barell) Pati~ Shri Vljay Naval (ErandoI) Khan, Shri Allam Sher (BeIuI) PatnaI(. Shrl Sivaji (Bhubaneawar) Khan, ShrI S&Achendu (VIIhnupur) ~ St.ri Shantaram (Chandra· pur) Kumarmangalam, ShrI Rangrajan (Sa- lem) PradhanI, Shrl K. (Nowrangpur) 448 0MceI1aIIon GlOM. ~RA 21,1913 (SAKA) EIfIt:tJoM In Punjab 8/1 450 R U Rahl, Shrl Ram Lal (Mlsrikh) Unnkrlshnan, Shri I<.P. (Badagara) Ral, Shrl M. Rarnanna (Kasaragod) V Ramchandran, Shrl MuIIappaJIy (Can- Vijayaraghavan, Shrl V.S. (Palghat) nanew.) - w Reo, Shrl J. Chokka (KarImnagar) Wasnlk, Shrl Mukul Balkrishn'a Raychaudhurl, Shri Sudaraan (Saram- (Buldana) pore) z Reddy, Shrl M. Baga (Medak) lainal Abedin, Shri (Ja09lpur) Reddy, Shri Vljaya Bhaskara (Kamool) NOES Roy, Shlr Haradhan (AsanaoI) A S Advani, Shrl LaIK (Gandhi Nagar) Sal Shri A. Pratap (Rajampet) Ansari, Shri Mumtaz (Kodarma) Sayaad, Shri P.M. (Lakshadweep) B Sclndia, Shrl Madhavrao (Gwallor) Bandaru, Shri Dattatraya (Secundara Sharma, Shrl Chiranji La! (Kamal) bad)· Shlngda, Shri Damu Barku (Dahanu) Berwa, Shrl Ram Narain (Tonk) Shukla, Shrl Vldhyacharan (Raipur) C n~ngh, Shrl Ramashray Prasad (Jaha- Chaudhary, Shri Rudr... n (Bahraich) Chavda, Shri Harisinh (Banaskantha) Soundaram, Dr. (Shrlmati) KS. (T1I'UCh .09od.) Chhatwal, Shri Sartaj Singh (Hoshan- gabad) Sultanpurl, Shri Krishan Dutt (Shimla) D T Das, Shri Anadi Charan (Jajpur) Thomas, Prof. K. V. (Emakulam) Dhumal. Prof. Prem (Hamirpur) Thomas. Shri P.C. (Muvattupuzha) F Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan (Pand Fernandes. Shri George (Muzaffarpur) harpur) Fundkar, Shri Pandurang Pundlik Tytler, Shri Jagdish (Delhi Sadar) (Akola) 451 Cancellation of Gen. SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 Elections in Punjab Bill 452 G R Gangwar. Shri Santosh Kumar (Bareilly) Rai, Shri Lal! Babu (Chhapra) Girija Devi. Shrimati (Maharaj Ganj) Rana, Shri Kashiram (Surat) J Rawal, Dr. Lal Bahadur (Hathras) Jai Prakash. Shri (Hardoi) Rawat. Prof. Rasa Singh (Ajmer) Jaswant Singh, Shri (Chittorgarh) s Jenna. Shri Srikanta (Cuttack) Sa rode, Dr. Gun'vam Rambhau (Jalgaon) Joshi. Shri Anna lPune) Sethi, Shri Arjun Charan (6hadrak) Joshi. Shri Dau Dayal (Kota) Shakya. Dr. Mahadeepak Singh (Etah) K Shukla. Shri Astbhuja Prasad (Khalila bad) Kamal. Shri Shyam Lal (Bast!) Singh, Shri Mohan (Deoria) Kanaujia. Dr. G.L. (Kheri) Singh. Shri Pratap (Banka) Kanodia. Shri Mahesh (Patan) Singh. Shri Rajveer (Aonla) Kori. Shri Gaya Prasad (Jalaun) Singh, Shri Ram (Haridwar) Kumar. Shri V. Dhananjaya (Manga lore) Singh. Shri Uday Pratap (Mainpuri) L Syed Shahabuddin. Shri (Kishanganj) Lodha Shri Guman Mal (Pali) T M Thakore, Shri Gabhaji Mangaji (Kapad Manjay Lal. Shri (Samastipur) wanj) N Tripathi. Shri LakshmiNarain Mani (Kais erganH Naik. Shri Ram (Bombay North) Tripathi, Shri Prakash Narain (Banda) o y Oraon. Shri Lalit (lohardaga) Yadav, Shri Chandra JEtet (Azamgarh) P Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad (Jhanjhar Paswan. Shri Chhedi (Sasaram) pur) Patidar, Shri Rameshwar (Khargone) Yadav, Shri Ram Saran (Khagaria) 4S3 Cancellation of Gen. BHADRA 21. 1913 (SAKA) Pre-Natal Qiagnos!ic 454 Elections in Punjab Bill TftChiliques (Regulation & PIfWention of Misuse) BiB The following ....mbers also recorded 14.41 hr. their votes. PRE-NATAL DIAGNOSTIC TECHNIQUES MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction. (REGULATION AND PREVENTION OF the result of the division is: MISUSE) BU· Ayes: 81 [EngHsh) Noes: 49 THE MINISTER OF HEAL1M AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRIM.L FATEDAR): The motion was ado/XtKI I beg to move for leave to inIroduce a 811 to provide for the regulation 01 the use 01 pre natal diagnostic techniques for the purpose THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE of detecting genetic or metabolic disorders AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI K. VLJAYA or chromosomal abnormalities or certain BHASKARA REDDY): I introduce the Bin. congenital malformations cI sex-inked dis ( Interruptions) orders and for the prevention 01 the misuse of such techniques tor the purpose of pre SeVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Noes. natal sax determination leading to ....,. foeticide; and tar maIlerS c:onneded u.. with or incidental1hent to.. MR. SPEAKER: • there wu a smaD difference a-tw..., the two numbers. we MR. SPEAI(ER: The question is: ThaI would have wailed. But there is a big differ ence. That is why we have not waited. We "That leave be gI1IfII8d to inbaduc8 a have gone to the second Bill. 00 you want a Bill tc provide for the raguIatian of the division on the ucond Bill also? used pre-nataldiaglloslictac:flniqla for the purpose of daIecting genetic SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: No. or metabolic disorders 01' diromoso mal abnorma&ties orcertaincongeni tal malformatiaris "'_-Inked dIsar- Ayes: Sarvashree Daibir Singh, Slddappa Bhimappa Nyamagouda. BIjDy Krishna, Nandiqua, Nurul Islam, Rao Ram Singh, Bar. !at Jatav, Khelsai Singh, It Krishna Swamy, Swarup Upadhyay, Banwari LaI Verma. Bapu Hari Chaunt, Bhog.lld,. .... Taj Narayan Singh, Subrata Mukherjee. V"lShwanalh Shastri, Samnalh ChIIIerjae and KuN Bolin. Noes: Sarvuh.... GMC Balayogi. Mahendra &altha, Satyendra Narain Brahma Chaudhary, Hari KIshor8 Singh, Chun Chun Prasad Y.m.v, Dr. S.P. YadaN. Shri N.K. BaIiyan. Shrimati SaroJ Dubey, Sarvash .... Rashen LaI, Ram Nihore Singh, Shiv Sharan . Singh, Braja Kishora Tripathy, Surendra Pal Pathak, Raj NanIm Bahi P8IIi, RameIh Chand Tomar, Virendra Singh. Rampel Singh, BriJbh ..... Sharan Singh. Shrimali Sheila Gautam, Shn Ram Kapsa. Sarvashrae Chandubhl Deshmuk. Ram Tahal Chowdhary, Yoganand Saraswati, Ganga Rani KoI~ Anand RaIna Maurya. Panec.; Ohowdhary, Ram lakhan Singh Yadav and Stnesh Chandra Dikshit. ·Published In Gazda of India Extraordinary Part II, Section 2, daud 12.1.91. SEPTEMBER 12,,1991 Ru,.317 458 dere and forthe prwention of the mIs 14.44hr.. use of such technique. for the pur pose of pr.natal ..x determination Howev." lagr.e with the Union Home leading to female foeticide; and for Minister who have very clearly and emphati matters connected therewith or Inci cally said that the menace of NaxaJlsm h.. Its roots In the tribal population. The Home dental the ...to. • Minister has very rightly said thatth. solution of the problem lie. exactly wllerelts roots do. The motion was adopted. The solution of the problem, theNfore lies not in meeting force with force but In con~iv SHRI M.L. FOTEOAR: I Introduce the Ing and sincerely Implementing really effec BDl. tive and long range programmes to win over the confidence of the vast tribal population in the affected areas. MR. SPEAKER: The Hou.e now shall talce up matters under Nie 3n. Shri Vilas I. therefore. urge our Government to Muttemwar think and work suitably in the direction and appeal to the House to join me In persuading the Government to do so in the right earnest and without giving any more time to the Naxalites to enhance their influence further. 14.43 hra (II) Need to clear the project for MATTERS UNDER RULE 3n rehablllt.tlon of victim. of the practice of Devld•• , (I) NMd to take meaeure. tocopa SHRI C.P. MUDALA GIAIYAPPA (Chi whh the grOWing ectlvltle. of tradurga): The heinous and inhuman prac Naxallt.. tice of consigning young girls to Devadasi [English} system is being openly indulged in the coun try particularly In the border areas of Kama taka, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, ~HRJ VILAS MUTTEMWAR (Chimur): Sir, I nse to draw the pointed attention of this The Andhra Pradesh Government August House to the extremely grave pr0b passed legislation In 1987 banning the prac lem of Naxalite activiti.. which as growing tice. The Karnalaka Government has also on the seale of an epidemic not only in quite taken several measures to put an end to this a few districts of my own region of Vidarbha evU practice. but also In the adjoining districts of Andhra Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. Almost all these victims hail from the down-trodden. The Karnataka Government The four State Govemments of Mahar has undertaken recently a comprehensive ..hi .... Andhra Pradesh, Orissa and Madhya survey in all the Talukas of Belgaum District Pradesh have formed a joint command ot and the data collected is being promised by their police forces to curb the menace. A computers. Meanwhile I project report on similer effort was made way back in the fifties various measur.. to be taken up to rehabili by the four .rstwhile St ... of M.P .• U.P., tate the victims of the Devadasl practice has Rajasthan and Vindhya Prad ..h 10 crush a been prepared and submitted toth.Govern large number of notorious dacoits operating ment of India for Its sanction. In those State •. I urge upon the Government of India to [MR. DEPUTY-SP~R - in the Chai" 457 Matte,. under- BHAORA 21,1913 (SAKA) Ru1e377 458 approve the project expeditiously and to . (v) Need to Complete the Sur provide substantial financial assistance to veyed railway line. In Andhr. the State for redeeming the hapless victims Prade.h urgently. of Oevadaslsystem. (III) NHd to clelr Irrlgltlon Proj [English] ects of Andhrl Prade.h SHRI OATTATRAYA BANOARU (S8- SHAIA. PAATAP SAl (Aajampet):Some cunderabad): The State of Andhra Pradesh pans of Andhra Pradesh, like Rayalaseema is getting a raw deal in regard to new railway region, consist of more than one erore popu lines. Only about 200 Kma. have bean added lation. As per geologists' repons, this region to the rail network since independence. There Is going to become a desert in another two or have been long standing demands for con three decades. To avoid such problems some struction of new railway lines from Palanch Irrigation projects have already been pro eru to PedapaJli via Siddipeta, Karim Nagar, posed but are kept pending due to various with a branch line from Karim Nagar to reasons. Adilabad via Jagityal and Nirmal; from Nan dyal to Yeraguntla; from Nlzamabad to The underground water table is going Ramagundam; from Nidubrolu to Ni down year after year due to non-availability zamapatnam and from Hyderabad to of rain water or upland water reservoirs. I, Visakhapatnam via Suryapet, Khamma. therefore, request the Government to clear Kothagudeam and Badrachalam. at least those irrigation projects which come under drought-prone areas, like Ray Though surveys have been completed alaseema which are pending for clearance for aU these lines. none has been taken up for by the Central Government. construdion. (Iv) Need to ..t up mills at Farldpur The above mentioned Railway lines pass Aonla and Vlnawar Dattaganl. through the backward areas of Andhra U.P Pradesh State and are essential for indus trial development. I, therefore, urge upon the [Translation} Government to construct the above railway lines at the earliest. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH (Aonla): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. under Rule 3n I would (vi) Need to construct a bridge on like to inform that Bareitly and Badaun dis ManJhl-Balila Road between tricts happen to be the major sugarcane pro Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. ducing districts in Uttar pradesh. and Lok Sabha Constituency Aonla falls under this [TranslationJ area. There is not a single sugar mill in my constituency in spite of the fad that the SHRIMATI GIRIJA DEVI (Maharaj survey conducted so far suggests that this Ganj): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. under Rule area produces sugarcanes which could feed 377 I would like to submit that Saran, Siwan as many as three sugar mills. and Gopalganj districts in eastern Bihar are extremely backward 'rom the economic. and Therefore, I would like the Government social point of view and also in terms of to set up sugar mills one each III Faridpur - natural availability of resourceS. The Gov Aonla, Vinawar and DattaganJ in Uttar ernment paid little attention to the develop Pradesh so as to fulfil the longstanding ment of this area either before or after lnde demand of tarmers. The farmers should be pendence. There has been a Iong-stancing relieved of their poverty by giving them demand for the construdion of a bridge on remunerative price for their sugarcanes. river Ganga in this area which falls betlreen 459 Mattors undar SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 Rule377 460 [Shrimati Girija Devij Government presents a dismal picture about the performance of thermal power units, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar and is surrounded which is a matter of immediate concern - the by four rivers. The total distance from thermal generation in 1990-91 being 14.91 Chhapara to Varanasi is only 200 km but billion units less than the target. Of particular aeople will have to travel a distance of about importance IS the delay in commissioning, a 375 kilometres via Bhatani Devria for want of problem quite in line with the cost and time a bridge. Ballia and Ghazipur located on the over-run. The uncertainty prevailing in 1990- other side of the river can be reached by two 91 may contribute to the delay in commis three trains running on narrow gauge. In the sioning of thtt power plants in the coming circumstances small scale inclustries cannot year, particularly the fate of Bakreswar (in be set up their and the backwardn&ss of the West Bengal), in which case indefinite delay area continues to increase further. Keeping may be caused due to the recent political these factors in view the Government pre and economic changes in the Soviet Union. pared a plan to construct a bridge between The State Government of West Bengal was Manjhi and Ballia in 1977, and the founda determined to implement the project by tion stone was laid by the then Government. March, 1992, it having already invested Rs. Gradually the construction work progressed, 120 crores in it. I WOUld, therefore, urge the but the work has been stopped after raising Union Government that pending the finalisa pillars. A few days ago the construction tion of any financial agreement with the material was also removed. C-overnment is Soviet Union on the Bakreswarthermal power bearing a mon!hly establishment expendi project, it should extend some concrete fi ture of about Rs. 3 lakhs tOI the project. The nancial and technical assistar.ce to enab.le cost of construction has also escalated due the State Government to push through this to delay in completion of the work. The local project without any further delay. The State people are unhappy that the bridge has not Government is already in the grip of acute been constructed even after such a long financial crunch, which has forced it to sus period and that too the construction material pend further work on its Kolaghat thermal has also been removed from the site. power project. In this case tl)O, the Central Government may consider extending some Therefore, I would like the Government financial help to the State Government to to complete the construction work of the enable it to go ahead with the project not only Manjhi-Ballia bridge withcut any dela;;ly for to prevent cost OV6r-funs but also to provide the development of this area which has, so much needea relief to the power-starved city far remained extremely backward. of Calcutta, pa.rticularly its industries. 14.50 hrs. (vm) Nel'd to provide financial a. slstance to the Government of [RAO RAM SINGH in the Chair) Tamil Nadu for Sinking giant bore-wells to solve the drink (vII) Need to provide financial as Ing water problem particularly sIstance to Bakreswar and In North Arcol and Chengal KoJaghat Thermal Power Proj Anna Districts ects °SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM (English] (Arkonam): Sir, in Tamil Nadu, particularly in North Arcot and Chenga; Anna Districts, due SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL to scanty rain people are put to a lot of (Joynagar): The Annual Report (1990-91) difficulries. The inhabitants on the banks of of the Department of Power of the Union Palar rive, in Veliore, Arakkonam, ShoJin- °Translation of the speech originally delivered in Tamil. 461 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (Nu. 2j 8ifl 452 gapuram, Ranipet and Areat areas are greatly ment - which was a very lengthy statement - hit by non-supply of drinking water since I raised a poil'lt of order saying that this is a water is supplied once in four days by the very lengthy st~tement. We must get a full Municipa! Authorities. Theground water table text of his speech and al~o the amendments has gone below 400 ft. to SOC:t. Therefor, in time so that 'Ne can study and we can givoe any individual who comes forward to sink further amendments about the amendments . bore pump for domestic purpose should be which he is suggesting. The Speaker appre encouraged and given a subsidy of Rs. ciated what I said alld the Speaker r... led that 10,000/- through the State Government. arrangements would be made to supply the text. I, would, therefore, request the hon. Irrigation Minister to grant necessary funds MR. CHAIRMAN: nle Speaker was in to Tamil Nadu Government for sinking giant the chair. botewalls in th.a affected area on· a war footing to enable people to get drinking water. 15.00 hrs. I would also request the Minister to take up the matter with the Karnataka Government (Interruptions) to release water to Palar riverfrom Padaman galam reservoir at least for a month to tide SHRI RAM NAIK: Yes, Sir. The Speaker ovar the preSQ'lt water crisis. said that arrangement will be mado to pro vide the text of the speech so thai we can (Ix) Need to establish centrally understand the amendments. I had also sponsored Medical College, requested that the amendments also should Regional Engineering College come to us because sevent-/-eighty amend or liT either at Goalpara or ments are suggested and if we get them at Ohubrlln Assam 8.30 to 9 o'clock in the night, we are already tired. In spite of all that, we did not get copy SHRI NURUL ISLAM (Dhubri): Sir, The of Finance Minister's speech. Now, the Press lower Assam zone is highly backward in all has got it - and I have no objection that the respects, It is urged upon the Government to Press got it because through that the infor include proposals in the 8th Plan for estab mation was passed on to all the readers - but lishment of a centrally sponsored Medical we are the Members and we have to ask the College, a Regional Engineering College or Speaker direct. In the morning when I came a Complex of tho proposed IITs in Assam herf:l, I went again to the Speaker and got the either at Goalpara or at Dhubri at the earliest. copy at 11.47 a.m. Is it the way the Govern ment should work, Sir? MR. CHAIRMAN (Rao Ram Singh): 14.59 hr•• When Mr. Speaker has given the niling, then I hereby direct that the Government will FINANCE (NO.2) BILL-Contd. please provide copies of the speech of the Finance Minister. MR. CHAIRMAN: We now take up fur ther discussion on the Finance Bm moved by SHRI RAM NAIK: At least the Govem Shri Manmohan Singh on 11 September, ment should express its regret, Sir. 1991. Shri Girdhari Lal Bhargava was on his feet. He has already taken five minutes. He { Translation] may continue his submission. SHRI MURLI DEORA (Bombay South): SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir,l Why did you not say earlier? am on a point of order. Yesterday evening when the Finance Minister read his state- ( Inferruptions) SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No.2)BII .. SHRI RAM NAIK: Should we discU88 It to the Lok Sabha Secretariat. I the Lok the maner in the air? Sabha Sacratarlat could have circulated It, they would bave ~e It. SHRI MURU DEORA: Had you asked for It two hours before you, would have got It. MR. CHAIRMAN (Rao Ram Singh): Is It not the responsibility of the Lok Sabha Sec SHRI RAM NAIK: I aisked for it yester retariaUe-diatribute thase? When the G0v day at 8 O'Clock In the evening (/ntem.p ernment is supposed to give that thing to the lions) Lok Sabha Secretariat. the LDk Sabha Sec retariat Is supposed to distribute It. (English) SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN MR. CHAIRMAN (Rao Ram Singh): Mr. GALAM: It .. nat our responsibility. SIr.. Nalt, one minute. (Interruptions) SHRI RAM NAIK: I win complete my MR. CHAIRMAN: KIndly do not inter sulHnlssion, Sir. So. this has not been sup rupt, Mr. Nak. Let me cover my point first. plied. Should the Speaker's direction or rul Old the Govemment submll a copy of the ing be takan so lightly? Then how does the Finance Minister's Speech to the Lok Sabha Govemment expect us to react? (/ntem.p Secretariat? lions) SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN MR. CHAIRMAN: I "have understood GALAM: Ye., it was given. It Is actually your point. The copies .e on the Table. placed on.the Table. ThayshouldhavabaencoUactedfromthere ... ( Inl«ruptJons) MR. CHAIRMAN: Then atter that It wu the LDk Sabha Secretariat's responsibility. SHRI RAM NAIK: We should have got them. Are we not expactad to read and then SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN react to the rln8nC8 Minister's speech? GALAM: If I may clarify. Mr. Chairman, Sir, normally, the speech which Ii made on the MR. CHAIRMAN: I am told that they floor of the House, goes out avery other day could naI be circulated last evening. They in a bulletin form. When the Bulletin is is are ready. But they are on the Table and sued, the speeches are put out to show u to anybody who wishes to take them can take what are the proceedings of the House and them from the Table. from that the Members takelt, or If they want to parti::ularly look into the speech in datan. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE they take II from the library and look Into It MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS and speak there upon. That Is the usual AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS procedure. As a special casa, I understand TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY that copies of the speech were requested. AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN Copias of the speach are automatlcaDy KUMARAMANGAlAM): Sir, let me make it available with the lok SabhaSecratariat and very clear that it is not the responsibility of the the lok Sabha Secretariat has gone to a Government to nacasaarily circulale these further extent by keeping copies on the Table. copies. Factually, the speech made on the If the Members expect that avery speech floor of the House is IIC( supposed to be that is made on the floor of the House is circulated by the Govemment aI an. It Is put going to be circulated to them individually, out in the Bull8lin in a form which communi then thay need not attend the House at all. cates a. that has been said ., the normal Thai is not the manner. c:oursa. As a special c ~. cotNaa of the speech were requested and we have given MR. CHAIRMAN (Reo Ram Singh): I BHAORA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No. 2) SUI 466 entirely agr.. with you that every apHCh SHRI RAM NAIK: Vou must know the mad. on the floor of the Houle cannot be procedure. (InterruptioM) circulated. But, as Mr. Ram Naik hu pointed out. If the Speaker had given a ruUng that this MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. Th .. particular lpeech of the Rnance Mlnl.terwlU Is no question. If an hon. Member Is 1naJnu be circulated, then I think the apHCh should ating that th.rels some sort of a conspiracy have been circulated ••• (IntetrUptlon,) betwHn the Government and the LokSabha, th.n II Is highly deplorable and those r. SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN marks will be expunged. GAlAM: Circulation II not our problem. Sir. SHRI RAM NAIK: I did not say .. MR. CHAIRMAN: Th.n .Ith.r the speech should have be.n IUbmitted to the MR. CHAIRMAN: V... you said. VoU Lok Sabha Secretarial - then It was the said that It Is our r.sponsbllity. whether It Is responsibility of the Lok Sabha Secretariat Internal matt.r or not. Ther. Is no Int.maI to have circulated It· or at least it should have matt.r. been placed on the Table of the House and (lntempt.".,) th. M.mbers should have been told that It was ready and they should c:oIIec::t It from the SHRI RAM NAlK: Mr. Chairman. SIr, Table. (Interruption,) L.t me now complete my point. This issue cam. up at about 6.30 p.m. yesterday. N0r SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN· mally, we get the parUamnary debate of GAlAM: Sir, lat m. make on. thing clear. what.ver happens In the House upto 6 Th. job of circulating the COplel to the O'clock. W. gat the bulletin. But this was Member Is of the Lok Sabha Secretariat and att.r 6 p.m. So. as a apecIaI request. I not of the Governm.nt. The Gov.mment's appealed to the hon. Spa" that since I duly wu to provld. a copy. W. not only wu atter 6 p.m. we may not get I In the provided • copy. but - Ilion record • copies IYnopsls and that Is why It .,.,Id be pr0- were made ready for being kept on the table vided. That Is why It was agreed. But stiII.1he of the Hous •• for Paucity of tim •••• (lnt~ position Is that I got the copy at 11.47 this tIonI) morning and other Members have not got .. It Is something unusual. It Is not everyday MR. CHAIRMAN (Reo Ram Slngh):Th. that we demand copy of the speech. Govemment had given a copy of the Rnance Mlnist.r'1 speech to the Lok Sabha Secr.· MR. CHAIRMAN: I have under1tood tarIat and the Lok Sabha SecretarIat.• your point. Thank you very much. (In'~) SHRI E. AHAMEO (Manjera): Sir. I am on a point of order. SHRI RAM NAD<: It Is yow Internal arrangement. (iJ~ MR. CHAIRMAN: What ar. you speak Ing on. Mr. Ahmed? II I a point of order on a MR. CHAIRMAN: 11we Is no Internal point of ord .. or • fresh point of order? arrangement between th8 Government and th. Lok Sabha. (~ (~) SHRI RAM NAUC: Mr. ChaIrman. I 0b $HRI E. AHAMED: I want to make a ject (tJtem.ploM) lubmlsslon. MR. CHAIRMA: Please sit down. MR. CHAIRMAN: No submission. (~) 467 Finance SEPTEMBER 12,1991 (No.2) Bill 468 MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. Mambers, I am Han. Minister of Finance, I am your well informed by the lok Sabha Secretariat that wisher. That i3 why I said that the Govern whatever amendments were suggested by ment should fulfil its promises made in its the Finance Minister have already been cir election manifesto. Today the Government culated. I am now further i"formed that the employees are l(Joking to you. 50 far as I han. Speaker made no commitmant whatso know, you are yet to contest lok 5abha ever that the coPy of the sp\3ech of the elections, you should not get confused; you Finance Minist~r will be circuiated. We w!1I should, raiher, immediately make an an conti!'lue with the deba(e. Shri Giridharilal nouncement to this eftect. Because if you Bhargava, you may continue. lose the elections yo~ would no morEl r",main the Min;ster cf Final1ce. After all these SHRI E. AHAMED: I withdraw my point employees will caste their votes in you fa of order on the point of order. vour. 5HRt MURlI DEORA (Bombay South): [Englishj Please do not make any disorder now. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please speak on the MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, 5hri Giridharilal Bill. You are going much outside the Bill. Bhargava may continue. [ Translation] [ Translation] SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA: let 5HRI GIRDHARI LAl BHARGAVA him make an announcement that the ex (Jaipur): Mr. Cha:rman, Sir, it is true that I emption limit of income tax woulc be in should not say anytr.ing after you gav," your creased to Rs. 48000/-. I plead this case ... Ruling. We have not received the copy of the (Interruptions) ... speech that was delivered by the hon. Min AN HON. MEMBER: He will contest the ister of Finance Yesterday announcing some Rajya Sabha elections. (Interrupti.:;."'Is) concessions. MR CHAIRMAN: Everybody will think MR. CHAIRMAN: Brother, you continue of his own interest in regard to elections. your speech. The point is over. Why do you bother for him? (/merruptions) 5HRI GIRDHARILAl BHARGAVA: As SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA: Mr. you like sir, I always obey you. Yesterday Chairman, Sir, I am quite impressed by the being Ganesh Chaturthi, the birthday of hon. Minister of Finance. After Cill, till the Ganeshji, the God of wisdom, I made a Budget is passed he would provide meals submission to the hon. Minister of Finance. upto 1st or second instant. ... ( Interruptions) I consider this Bill as a black bill. The MR. CHAIRMAN: If you are so much Government mortgaged gold and devalued concerned for his electicn, for must go for rupee twice. I consider this Bil! to be anti campaigning in his favour. (Interruptionsj people. But at the same time I had submitted that the gap between the poor and the rich SHRI GIRDHARILAl DHARGAVA: My was widening and thus the Government submission is that exemption of income tax should at Jeast fulfil its promises made in its limit should be raised irom Rs. 22000/- to Rs. election manifesto-that the exemption of 48000/-. In the second place the amol.Jnt of inc.-ome tax limit of Central Government standard deduction from the salary of the employees would be increased from Rs. emplc,yees should be increased from Rs. 22000/- to Rs. 4BOOO/-. I made this submis 12000 to Rs. 20,000 or at least upto 1!3 of 'Sian to you on the Ganesh Chaturthi day. their total emoluments, because ., "Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 469 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 470 today is 12th and ,. 80 HHC in the new proposed Budgetthrough the Finance Bill. Due to that the exemption Therefore I would like to submit to the has been withdraw!" from those persons Government who earn the convertiblo foreign exchange form the foreig n tourists by selling their goods (English] in India. This provision has been enforced with retrospective date of 1 April 1986. As MR. CHAIRMAN: Please, Mr. Bhargava. the Govtlrnment has made it effective from that is not fair. retrospective date. it is clear that it has no intention of losing the foreign exchange by [ Translation] amending the section HHC but due to this amendment. knowingly or unknowingly. the SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA: My Government will have to bear a loss of for submission is thatthe exemption limit should eign exchange, in turn of giving encourage be increased to Rs. 20.000/- or 1/3 or the ment to trade. I would like to submitthat if this total emoluments. My third demand is .. proposal is adopted. the business establish mflnt will be closed due to the provision that MR. CHAIRMAN: • It should be ex the businessmen have to pay the tax with punged from the proceedings .• retrospective effect from 1986. As a result, the workers and craftsmen engaged in this (Interruptionsj business wiilloss their employment on large scale. Therefore. i would like to ~equest SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA: It is when they countersale the goods and an not I who said so. I had no such intention at undertaking is already taken frem the busi all. Neither' have ever spoken such unpar nessmen that they will export the goods and liamentary words in the House nor would I remit the foreign exchange here. the Gov speak so in future as long as I am a Member ernment should review the amendments of the House. My submission is that items which are going to take place. It should not like jewellery. handicrafts carpets etc. which be applicable from 1 April 1986. As you are fetch foreign exchange when exported to encouraging the other trades with a view to foreign countries should be allowed to avail earn foreign exchange, the persons who are tax exemption. The Government imple engaged in jewellery. ivory and carpet busi mented section 80 HHC of the Income Tax ness, should also be encouraged. There are Act. 1961 for the first time in 1986 in order to a lot of such craftsmen in Jaipur as well as in boost export. Under this section the Govern the entire country ... Therefore, I would sub ment gave exemption in export tax and in mit that instead of the tax being recovered on come tax provided the items earned foreign foreign eXChange, if they are allowed to exchange. Changes were made in the ex deposit it in banks. that would become white port policy from time to time and more and money. But when they do not deposit the more facilites were provided in order to earn amount in Banks, and adjust it against the foreign exchange. By making the provision cash-memo, it becomes taxable. Therefore. more comprehensive. its. benefit has been , would request the hon. Finance Minister to given to those hoteliers. travel agents and make a provision to withdraw this clause, tour operators under section 80 HHC who which will benefit the traders. The Govern earn foreign exchange by providing tour ment proposes to levy this tax with retro facilities to the foreign tourists. As a result. spective effect that is w.eJ. 1.4.86. It is there has been sufficient increase in the sale something ridicL;lous. I would like to request of the shops which earn foreign exchange by the Government that it should take a lenient selling their products to the foreign tourists. view and exempt such businessmen who 'would like to submit that the Finance Minis are earning foreign exchange for the coun ter has given some exemption under section try. The proposed expenditure tax on restau- eNot recorded. 471 Finata SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No. 2) BHI 472 [Sh. Girdharilal Bhargava] The prices of sugar, LPG and patrol have also Increased aftarthe current Budget. rants will adversely affect the foreign tour Eartler, the prices of ration sugar w.. RI. lata. Every year the restaurants are sup 5.SO per kg, which has now Increased to RI. posed to have an approval from the tourism 6.15 per kg. In your manifesto you have department. For that they have to fulfU four promised to reduce the prices within 100 conditions. They should have telephone days, but you could not do 80. There Is a lot connection, air-condition; refrigerator and of difference In what you preach and what two latraine bathrooms. They can gat the you practise. The subsidy on sugar w.. not approval even II they fullU three conditions Included among the subsidies announced out 01 these four. Aft. approval, these res yesterday. It appears that some subsidies taurants become taxable. On the sale of Rs. have been held back, so that they can be 100, they have to pay 12 percent salas tax given at the time of passing the Finance BUI, and 20 percent expenditure tax. In this way, so that your party members can clap for you. on the sale of As. 200, they have to pay As. You may not accept It now, but If you accept 64 to the Govemment. It wiD ruin the busi ltatthattlme,lwillalsoclapforyou. Theprlca ness of small restauranta. of LPG has been increased by RI. 121- par cylinder. Earlier, petrol used to be sold for Therefore, I would request that the RI. 10.50 par litre. Due to the Gulf-crisls, the Centre should not impose this tax on small petrol prices were increased twice. Now the restaurants. The State Governments already Gull-crlsis Is over. Should we accept this fact Impose salas tax, than why the Central that once a tax Is Imposed in the name of any Govemment should interfere in it today. This crisis. It will be continued and will n.ver be tax should be made applicable only in case withdrawn. You are a very able Finance of five star hotels and the others should be Minister, you have prepared many budgets .x.mpted. I hope that the han. Minister of and you are known to the entire world. But at Finance will accept both the.. suggestions least. I cannot tolerate when the patrol con regarding businessmen and restaurants In sumers abuse you openly. At the petrol his concluding speech. pumps, I told them that I would tell the Fmanca Minister in the lok Sabha and he Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would also like to would withdraw the Increased price.. Before NY about the provision which you have the Gulf crisis, the price of patrol was RI. made that In case of the Ulne.. of an em 10.50 per litre. Later, it was Increased. Now, ploye. who wants to go abroad for treat Inspile of the GuH-crisls having been ov., ment. he will be given an advance of As. 1 thole prices have not been reduced. in Iakh, If his annual Income Is more than As. stead, there was an Increase of 25 percent 75,000. In this regard, I would say that the more and now the pre.. nt price of petrol is Govemment should have .. own discretion, RI. 16.26 per litre. You are continuously Instead of restricting .... by the annual increasing the prices of patrol. Similarly, Income. during the Bangladesh war, the cost of reve nue atamp was Increased to 20 paIae, in I would like to submit about the wealth stead of reducing II to the previous leveL tax also. Now-a-days, onacannot gat.ven. What Is the policy of the Government. Once smaU house In As. 5 IaIch. The prasent ax • tax Is Imposed, It wUI continue to Incre .... emption Is admilsbla only uplO the cost price of As. 5 Iakh In case of • residential Mr. ChaIrman, Sir, therefore, I would .::cornodation.lnvlewolthe increasing prIcas request ttud the price of petrol should be which wIUfunh.lncre.... du.tothls budget. reduced. I would request the hon. Mlnlat ..to the Gov.rnment should Incraua this ex withdraw the like In Petrol prIcu which wu emption limit upto As. 10 IIkhI. I think my done.twIce In the name of QuI CrIsiI. The demand Is not unrauonable and I hope, you price 01 patrol lhould be restored to RI. will pay attention In this regard. 10.50 pi' lire. If this Is done, I can allUre you 473 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 474 that you would get a rousing welcome from and It would bring the banking business to a the people wherever you go. I hope every grinding halt. A statement should be made of body in this House would support me in this the account holders and in case the amount (Interruptions) is taxable necessary deduction must be made. If the banks start deducting tax at What is the use of supporting this be source the banking business would defi cause we are not sure as to how long the nitely come to a grinding halt. Government would last. Earlier also the Government was ousted in 11 months and Similarly, It would not be proper to judge again one does not know when this Govern the price of the share according to the mar ment would fall. Even the Members have not ket rate. The pric;e of the share should be been allotted houses so far and when people according to the balance sheet. This would come to contact us they say that they are not encourage industries. I think you would sure when we will have to go. Nobody knows consider the suggestions that I have put whether tomorrow we would have a new forward. Finance Minister (Interruptions) While concluding, I would like to submit Similarly, some concessions have been that you would certainly seriously deliberate given to organisers of lotteries. Giving ex upon my suggestions and exempt the busi emption upto Rs. 2500 to brokers is wel nessmen from imposing tax from retrospec come but it should be for more than Rs. tive effect. You would, I hope also exempt 10,000. Restaurant Owners, Organisers of lotteries and brokers. I would like to point out that the interest on income tax refund has been reduced from I have extended constructive, positive 18 percent to 12 percent. Why has this been and logical suggestions for sugar, petroi and done. When you take 24 percent interest gas. I hope you would agree to tham. Being why do you give only 18 percent and now a well wisher of the Government, I would like why has it been reduced to 12 percent. Why to appeal that the income tax exemption limit this injustice? The interest rate should be be raised from the existing As. 22,000 be some. If interest is charged at 24 percent cause any employee whose monthly income why should not they be given 24 percent is Rs. 2000 even he has come in the ambit of interest. It is very logical. Therefore, I de income-tax. Nobody is spared now. I would mand that the rate of interest lor refund urge the hon. Finance Minister to take a bold should be 24 percent. step and announce Rs. 48,000 as the ex emption limit of income tax. Besides, con Similarly, earlier there was tax exemp cessions should be given in the price of tion upto Rs. 7500 on the interest of FOR but sugar, petrol and gas. now it has been reduced upto Rs. 2500. What is the result? People are withdrawing Mr. Chairman, Sir, I thank you for giving their FD prematurely because they have me an opportunity to speak. With these been told that tax on the interest would be words, I conclude. deducted by the banks itself. The way there Is mad rush of withdrawal a time may come [English] when these Banks would not even be able to pay the rent of the premises they are housed SHRI MURLI DEORA{SQlTlbay South): in. The blink employees would become idle Sir, I rise to support the Finance Bill pre and they would start agitation. I am submit sented by Dr. Manmohan Singh. The Budget ting a solution for it that a yearlY statement is an audit of economy and income and should be asked from the banks and ensure expenditure statement for the coming year. whether the amount is taxable. The method of deducting tax and soul'cd has been adopted For the first time in so many years, we 475 Flflance SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No.2) 8ill 476 ISh. Murli Oeara) you there. With your permisSion, I am quot ing Shri Jyoti Basu. have seen that Dr. Manmohan Singh has presented a very lucid, analytically cohesive "The world has become small.' and sound account of the state of economy of our country. This is today Indian Express (Intsrrup tions) You are so far away from the world Within a short span of three months things. How can you read today morning now, a new direction is given to the Indian papers? I must congratulate you. You can economy. Within a short span of three not keep your people away from the world. months, the international institutions are He said that: ready to come to India. They have again realised that there is something called India "For two generations, the which exists which they have forgotten. Communist Party in the Soviet Union had failed to produce a SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHA lTERJEE programmli' to ideologically (Dum Dum): What is the latest position? mould the people of their coun try." SHRI MURLI DEORA: I am glad about the new Budget proposals and I thank the This is what has happened in our country for Government which has framed the new some years. We are ready to take the blame industrial policy. The Government has shown on us. I am not blaming you, The Industrial that India is again finding itseH among the Policy, the Economic Policies of our country world economy. have kept the country aloof, have kept the entrepreneurs, industrialists - Indian and I am very happy that today morning only foreign, small and the big, industrialists I could see a small article in the Indian coming under FERA. the multinationals, Express-for the kind information of Shri whoever you want me to say, I can say-aloof Somath Chatterjee - an interview of Shri from exploiting and harnessing what is good Jyoti Basu. I would like to quote that inter in our country. I must say that in the short view only in one line. We may notbelieve that span of three months the new Government the interview can be of such a short duration. of Shri P.V. Narasimha Rao and also of the (Interruptions) You have not heard my speech dynamic Finance Minister. Shri Manmohan last time. I said communism is not practised Singh, has done well, to help (entreprB in the China and Moscow but only these neurs) Marxist people want it to practise in India. but not in West Bengal. As you know very well, SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har those industrial houses, large houses and bour): What were you saying five years back? multi-national companies who go the West Bengal are very happy. They are received SHRI MURLI DEORA: What I said five well and they are given a good treatment. years back is now implemented. H you see You are only opposing them when they are my speech five years back, when you were coming to India and to other parts of the sitting there, Shri Amal Datta, I spoke the State. (/nte"uptions) same thing on the Industrial Policy which the new Industrial policy is aiming at. This new SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Industrial Policy is implemented today on (Bolpur): How much you give to Bombay? those lines. I would give you an example You represent the richest constituency in which I cited because Shri Somnath Chatter India. jee was not there. I will give you the example of cement later on. SHRI MURLI DEORA: I a:n happy. I am proud of that. That is why, I am not inviting SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You BHADRA21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) SUI 478 disagree with your own party policies. the previous year he was a big farmer and how he became a smallfarmerthe next year. SHRI MURU DEORA: I know you very he said: "Thanks to the IDA credit system, I wen. You will not disagree with Shri Jyoti have to become a small farmer'-The point is Basu. previously he was not entitled to the conces sionalloan. But because of the dual interest SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: rate policy he was entitled only if he was a Please speak something of West Bengal. smallfarmer. The. dual rate of interest charge was there, one given at a lower rate to the SHRI MURlI DEORA: Sir, yesterday, small and marginal farmers and at a higher the hon. Finance Minister announced sev rate to the bigger farmers. lam sure, the hon. eral concessions specially under Section 80 Finance Minister must have read scores of HHC, 80 HHD and some incentives were articles, editorials etc. You talk to several given on the money received by the tourist people who have tremendous knowledge of Industry etc. This shows that the Finance the rural India and they all say that this Minister is flexible. If there is something system of dual pricing in fertilizers will not wrong that was proposed in the Budget. if work. They say the system of giving conces there are some amendments needed in the sion to one section of the farmers and not Budget, the Government must not make it a giving it to another section of the farmers wiD prestige issue. The Government must repair not work. Whenever our Government has it, amend it in respect of several issues like tried any such policy it has not worked. the Wealth-Tax. deduction of tax at source etc. These were the important points which SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: This I wanted to make. I must congratulate the is the problem. Now, the big fertilizer lobby is Finance Minister for his bold decision. Sev working. eral people around the country -you may not like the name of ASSOCHEM, FICCI Pr SHRI MURLI DEORA: I am not talking whatever institutions are there -have brought of the big fertilizer lobby. I am supporting the to the attention of the hon. Finance Minister small farmers. I am requesting the hon. most of their problems. The hon. Finance Finance Minister to restore the subsidy fully. Minister has satisfied them. I am not saying that he has reduced the taxes. He has con SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE:Very vinced them that what is good in the Budget good! is good for them, it is good for the economy. it is good for the entire country. SHRI MUAlI DEORA: I am saying that the Government should not differentiate the Sir, the hon. Finance Minister has not small and big farmer. I am trying to say that agreed to one point. That was relating to the it will not be implemented. controversial issue of withdrawal of subsidy on fertilizers. I can lell you something about the fertilizer subsidy. The dual policy on SHRI CHinA BASU (Barasat): Now fertilizers giving benefit to some and not he is talking of his constituency. giving benefit to others, will not work. I want to draw the attention cf the Finance Minister. SHRI MURLI DEORA: Mine is an ur He was very much a part of that Govern ban constituency. I am only requesting the ment. During 1978-79 there was an IDA loan hon. Finance Minister that just like he is given for the agricultural sector. This was an flexible in other things, he should see that agricultural credit. The WAS given only to this should not disturb the rural credit system small and marginal farmers at that time at a of our country which was disturbed during lesser rate of interest of four per cent. I read the time of Shri V.P. Singh's Govemment about it somewhere. Some people went to when they had this loan melas (Intern.p the villages and asked a farmer that during tions) SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No.2) BI" 480 SOME HON. MEMBERS: Loan Melas? the lowest whatever may be the reason. W. are borrowing at the highest possible rate of SHRI MURLI OEORA: Ves.ltwas worst Interest. I would request the hon. Finance than the Loan Mela. That Loan Mela was Minister that till the IMF, World Bank loans hundred times bener than this one when the are over, pie ... see that no large public or loans given to the farmers were written oH. private sector - lOBI. ICICI or any other They have totally disturbed the credit system institution - should borrow for the next two to prevailing In the country. There was nothing three months till the finallsation of these wrong In the Loan MaiL I would request the loans take place because otherwise we will hon. Finance Minister to please reconsider II lose lot of interest In foreign exchange. This and taka expert opinion on this new pro is my suggestion and I am sure he will agree posal. HIt is good. Implement It and if It is not to It. After the IMF loans are finalised our good, be flexible and like the other measures credit Rating .will improve and we will pay where you have withdrawn. please withdraw less interest (Interruptions) It here also. SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: The biggest problem which is presented Would you oppose the floating interest rat. by the Finance Minister is the problem of that he has prescn'bed ? Balance of Trade (BOT). There was a time when the country's credit rating in the inter ( Interruptions) national market-there Is Moody's Interna tional Rating in New Vork - was the AAA SHRI SOMNATH CHA TrERJEE: About rating. It was the best rating which India was that, FCCI has not given him the notes. enjoying. We were genlng loans in the inter national market quarter per cent over the SHRI MURLI DEOM: Vou are the Liborrate. And now six to six and a half per person who is supplying all the notes. I have cent above liborrate. In one year of non got one suggestion to help the Balance of Congress Government supported by you, Trade problem. The finance ;Minister has the credit rating of India went down to the made 8 statement that anybody who has Iow.st in the history of frea India (lntetrup money abroad, he can bring it without paying lions) any tax. Over two million Indians are there in the Gulf countries. They are today sending SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har remittance. of about As. 5000 erores. It is a bour): It is just the eHect of what you have Uttle less now after the Gulf war. And partly done. I think. it does not happen just like that. through Hawalas because they got 20 to 25 It happened because of what you had done. per cent extra money. When the Govern How much money did you borrow in thelat ment is ready to give incentives to those who five years? (Interruption.) are keeping their money abroad without paying any tax, when the Government is SHRI MURLI OEORA: Amal OaUajl. I going to pay 10 much of tax incentives 30 per used to enjoy your speech when you were caN REP over the EX 1M licence on the thera and not now. (lntem.ptlon.) export of Incentives of ten per cent or fifteen percent to these people who are transferring SHRIAMAL DATTA: How much money foreign exchange oHiciaily and through legal was borrowed betw.. n 1985-90 and how lOurces . much was bonowed In 1"1? (lnt."uptlonl) After the Gulf war. the six OPEC coun SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE trIM, Saudi. Arabia, Kuwait, Baharin, Oatar, (BoIpur): Vou go on euioglslng the Finance UAE and Oman has Hnt three million Manillar tor Watt Bengal aIIo. V.men.... Palestinians, Jordanians. Suda· 118M Md Iraqis 'orm these countries be SHRI MURLI OEORA: All right. I 8111 caUie they had .upported the Iraq at the saying thlilloday the India's endll rating II time of war. Who win go there? h Is the 481 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) 8111 482 person from Pakistan, Bangle Desh, Sri The ratio being 1:37 or 1 :38. Lanka, Nepal, China and India. And expect India avary country has started special effort What is the difference between invest in thase six countries to promote the interest ment and borrowing? Hwe borrowthe money, of their labour force. we have to pay back with interest and the tender has no interest in our country. Hthere I want to draw your attention that as far is investment in the equities of our country, as we are concerned, we are still sleeping. I whether It is 40 or 50 or 80 per cent, so that would like to Inform the han. Minister, that the overseas shareholder of the company, our missions or embassies there, to tell you first of all will pay tax on what he is earning the truth, they are not doing any productive here on the dividends. Second of all, he has work, to bring the foreign exchange for the a stake in the company and he will see that country. They are not even serving properly, the company has got modern technology; the Indians, who are working there. So, there he will see that the company is able to export should be a separate department under the he will see that the company has the aeces Finance Ministry and not under the Labour to what is new and what is good for the Ministry, for protecting and promoting the company. immigrants. This Department must be cre I would like to draw the attention of the ated under the Finance Ministry and they hon. Finance Minister to one product. There should have representative in these six was a time when a multi-national Pharma countries atleast. Through this Department, ceutical Company in Bombay wanted to you can export nearly two million Indian manufacture one antibiotic, which was being hands. Sometime back, in Bombay, the manufactured by their overseas company, representatives from the Recruiting Agents that is an American company. We were Association of India, had met me and also I totally socialist and we did not allow them to have got a letter. I am very confident that we manufacture the same. Whom did we allow? can get almost Rs. 20,000 to Rs. 21,000 We had allowed the IDPL, which has almost crore. of foreign exchange without any in become now a sick unit today. Where from put. This will, to a great extent, solve our the IDPL got that technology? 11 has got it employment problem; this will, to a great from the Russian company. Where from that extent, solve foreign exchange problem. The Russian company had got it? It had got it Department of Emigration in the Ministry of from the very pharmaceutic-a. company, Labour, is creating so much problem that which was the parent company at an Indian even If somebody has to be interviewed, Shri company. Tell me how can it be call ..d so Chatterjee, he has to come to Delhi. A major cialism? Had we allowed the ft_:;.erican ity of the people come from Cochin and they company to increase their investment, to prefer to come to Bombay. Even the Depart give their manufacturing licence to the In ment of Labour Is not ready to open a small dian company, today that life saving antibi office, to felicitate them and to get them otic would have been manufactured in India, selves interviewed in Bombay itself. There Instead of that, we had wasted six years, we fore, I request the hon.Finance Minister, that had wasted so much money and we are still something should be done to tap the poten lagging seven of eight years behind the tialities of these people, so that these people technology that is available in America and can go abroad; these people can go to these in other countries. The Russian company Gulf countries and get us the foreign ex had already been closed. The IOPL is as change. good (If as bad as closed. What I am trying to say is that in the garb of socialism, we did The new Industrial policy has one major not allow ...... (/nt8ffuptions) tenet on foreign investment. In India today, we have nearly 72 bill:on dollars of foreign SHRI NIRMAL KANT! CHATTERJEE debt but, Hwe see the foreign investment in (Dumdum): That is not capitalism (/nt.rrup our country, It is tess than 1.6 billion dollars. tions) 483 Financs SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No.2) Bill 484 SHRI MURlI DEORA: We have a say today 14 million cubic metres daily 4 million ing in Hindi and Shri Vajpayee will know cubic metres of gas is flared up in Bombay about it: High today. You see outside the Gateway of India as to what is happening there. It is ·Jo Sawan Mein Janamta Hai, Usko polluting our city. It is creating a hot climate Harahi Hare Dikhlahai· It means those who in the Bombay city. People are not realising are born in the month of 'Sawan' they will see it today. Uptill now, they have not been able Green only everfwhere. (interruption) We to utilize the gas. Why is it not utilized? It Is are talking about the capitalism and not because they have no resources and there is anything else. Now, I come to another point, no money allocated by the Planning Com about the rate of interest. (Interruptions). mission for another Urban Terminal to bifur cate to the associated gas. As per the new [Tfanslation] policy, if we do not have the money, it is better to allow the foreign Gas. Now the SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE Government has allowed 79 oil and natural (Ludcnow): It is not those who are born in the gas blocks for the multinational and Indian month of 'Sawan' (Rainy season) but those private enterprises. Mr. Chatterjee, if they who get blind in that month always see would have allowed them seven to eight greenery everywhere. years back, we would not be importing 20 to 21 million tonnes of oil today. In that matter, But they did not get blind during 'Sawan' we would not have been paying RS.10800 and are blind for all practical purposes. crores today as foreign exchange for oil import. SHRI MURLI DEORA: These Commu nists have not got blind during 'Sawan' but There is a problem as far as allocation of are blind f(lr all purposes. You might be gas is concerned. Some people are advo afraid of saying this but I am not ••. (Interrup cating in the Ministry about the use of gas for tions) ... feedstock, raw materials for fertilizers, etc. and then the second priority for fuel. If you [English) are not able to use it for feedstock, you can at least use it for fuel rather than wasting it. Sir, the major item where the outgo of Forget about Tata Power Supply. Even the fore!gn exchange is the highest is petroleum Maharashtra State Electricity Boards' gas and petroleum products. Against the budg demand is not allocated by them and on the eted amount in 1990-1991 which was other side, so many million cubic metres of Rs.6400 crores, the country is going to spend gas is flared up in Bombay High every time. Rs.1 0,800 crores. You have mentioned so in I would request you, Sir, to find cut some way the Economic Survey of India. As far as whereby the flaring up of gas is stopped and ONGC is concerned, this is the first time that wastage of reserves which are there in our the production of ONGC is 2.4 million tonnes earth is avoided before even exploring oil less than what it had producsed. We can see and gas wells. WhatElver comes out of earth the working of the ONGC and we can see must be utilised properly. If )'ou see coun what is happening to it in the Press. I am not tries like Algeria, Mr. Chatterjee, you can find supporting it. Somethira should be done to that gas is better than oU itseH. Gas can be it in this regard •.•• (lnterruptions) ... I am used as a major raw material for petroleum trying to say that the working of the ONGC products like polyethylene, Polypropylene, must be improved so that more oil and gas is polycarbonata, plastic materials, etc. which produced. We are talking about utilizing our we are importing today. Gas is an Ideal raw resources. Mr. Somnath Chatterjee, I am materiallorthem.1 hope the Government will telling you that 14 years back, f was the do something abo",1 it. Mayor of Bombay. We were talking about using the Bombay High flared gas which is Foreign and muhinationals are allowed 485 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) 8171 486 today. It is so shocking that when the Gov do is to control the money supply Ma. This is ernment is allowing them as per the new good. But in the garb of controlling money liberal policy, the ONGC is coming in their supply, the way the Government has raised way today. I just quote from an editorial of the rate of interest is phenomenal. The rate the Economic Times. of interest should be high enough to encour age saving but it should not be so high as to -In previous round the ONGC was not discourage investment. But today what is very keen to share the seismic data happening? Today it is better for me to put culled by It with the exploring compa my money in the banks at the rate of 17 or 1 8 nies·. per cent interest. The big public limited companies are giving 26 per cent interest. Earlier they said that the ONGC was not ready to share with them the available data. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It is Why are they so jealous about it? When the official rate or non-official rate? Government or the Ministry or the Cabinet decide that they are allowing the foreign or SHRI MURU DEORA: This is official. I private or joint participation in the oil explora do not share non-official rates openly with tion in Bombay High and other places, why you. I will talk to you privately. should the ONGC come in their way? Once you take a policy decision, the ONGC and Oil What I am trying to say is that the rate India must cooperate with you. They must of interest has gone up very high. not sabotage it. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: Please tell the Finance Minister that that is In fact, the truth is exactly the why the small savings schemes are affected opposite.( Interruptions) in every State. SHRI MURLI DEORA: I do not want to SHRI MURU DEORA: You aie right. waste time, Sir, I quote again:- Let me tell you the reason. They are getting some money because it is tax free. Other "The Government has stipulated that wise nobody will give them money. Even the companies would have to meet the pre with regard to India Bonds, NTPC Bonds, liminary exploration costs and in the event of etc. also, nobody would touch them if they a strike develop the field along with ONGC are not tax free. Later on the UTI etc. have and Oil, which would take up 30 per cent of come to help them. The Finance Minister the participating interest? knows it. One reason tor inflation in the cost of prodUdS is the increase in the cost of It is in league with them. There is noth money itseH. Cost of money has gone up so ing wrong in it. much. You must see to it that the money borrowed for priority sectors, for producing I am supporting it. goods must be at a lower rate of interest. Today the rate of interest is so high. I do not What I am saying is that when the want to talk on banks again because one can Government has allowed it, the ONGC must go on and on while talking about banks. I cooPerate rather than create problems. would only say that there has to be some priority sector lending allower rate of inter Everyday we are seeing article in pa est. The statutory liquidity ratio SLR of the pers regarding inflation. Yesterday also there banks, in order to control monor supply, is was a front page article which was referred 38 per cent. That is why they are not making to in the Consultative Committee ",Mting as any money. Banks charges high rate of 24 well. The rate of inflation is about 20 percent. percent when they are giving money even to One thing which the Government is trying te other banking institutions. There is a case for reduction in interest rates for produdion 487 Finance SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No. 2) SRI 488 [Sh. Murli Deoral Today, there is a little difference. There is a need; there Is a scope and there Is a case purposes. That is alii want to say. for bigger difference In this and my sugge. tion is that the rate of Interest for those who SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: ars sinking money in NRRA, should be as You must control liquidity also. high as you are giving to a local depositor. We should encourage NRls to put money In SHRI MURLI DEOM: Controlling li this scheme, rather than putting it in FCNR quidity should be for some sectors only and because you are rest assured that the not for all. moment there is a little shaking of their confideocetheywilltake away all their money At present we have NRI deposits of form here. about Rs.20,OOO erores under the FCNR and NRRA Schemes. I would draw your There would not be even a rupee left attention to the Economic Survey. Under the here. NRRA -Non-resident Rupee Account, money deposited in Indian rupees cannot be con THE FINANCE MINISTER(SHRI verted back into dollar, OM etc. In FCNR - MAN MOHAN SINGH): That is also convert Foreign Currency Non-Resident Accounts ible. Reserve you can take money in foreign exchange. I am trying to show just one SHRI MURLI DEORA: They will be figure. scared to take the money deposited under NRRA because that is convertible at the new MR. CHAIRMAN (RAO RAM SINGH): Parity Rate. Money put in FCNR can be Please conclude. You have taken 25 min converted and they will take back their money utes. immediately if such a thing happens. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: He is SHRI MAN MOHAN SINGH: That is also speaking for the most powb.1ul lobby in the convertible. country. We must hear their views also. SHRI MURLI DEORA: They are con· MR. CHAIRMAN: If you have no objec vertible with a new price. They will lose 20 tion, I can always give him extra time. percentoftheir money. I don't wantto go into the details of it. I am sure you have it. SHRI MURLI DEORA: Sir,l would only Because those who had invested their money request the hon. Finance Minister that the in 1985 today they are losing because the rate of interest on FCNR must be much value of dollar in 1'985 was Rs.14 or Rs.15 more. and today the official price is Rs.25.52. So, there is a case for revival and that ;s what I Earlier there was a difference. But now would like to suggest. there is not much difference. In 1985, out of Rs.3,.819crores, Rs.2864 crores was NRRA MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Deora, please and FCNR was only Rs. 955 crores. Now in wind up. 1991, the NRRA is Rs. 7137 crores and FCNR is Rs.13,400 crores. This is because they SHRI NIRMAL KANT I CHATIERJEE: know that after three years maturity, they He ;s winding up the country, Sir. can take their money. back. The Dollar rate which was Rs. 17 became Rs. 22 by, the time SHRI MURLI DEORA: Sir, though de you take it back. So, there is a natural de valuation has taken place in the import and valuati.:m even without the official devalu export rates, the STC and MMTC are stlD ation because of the parity rate. Therefore, playing havoc with the Importers and export the rate of interest must be higher in FCNR. ers of our country. All of us have raised a 489 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No. 2) 8111 490 point about It. AdvanlJI spoke three times on MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Deara, there are the Newsprint Imports. Do you know why this a number of speakers and I am sorry to say Newsprint crisis came up? Of this was not that you have exceeded your time. Kindly can alisedthrough STC., this problem would wind up, otherwise two or three Members of not have come. Govemment lost so much your party will not get a chance to speak. money. There are several other things like the Film Rolls. The other day Mr. Sunil Dutt SHRI SHRIKANT JENA: Why do not was telling that the jumbo role of films is you bring the people who can be given the canalised through STC. The real solution of contract? this is to decanalise it. Vou cannot expect SHRI MURLI DEORA: I do not have any STC and MMTC to know which is the best contract. I read it in some papers. newsprint available in the world; what is the price of it; what is the length of roll which is MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Jena, let him fin used by our newspapers in the country and ish. Do not interrupt him. so on. It is just not possible for them to know. So, please decama;ose more and more SHRI MURLI DEORA: So, my plea is items. that the role of the MUTC and the STC When Mr. V.P. Singh was in power I am should be reduced. The export of million told, MMTC make a contract of 6 million tonnes of iron-ore must be investigated. The tonnes of iron are, the Kudramukh iron are prices are ve", very low. which has the highest iron col,tent without any escalation clause. I may tell you that I Vesterday you announced so many myself buy products from Japan or any other measures. Vou have forgotten to announce country and every product has an escalation one measure and that is regarding rate of clause specially for product of long delivery depreciation. When an industry puts any period. No country can enter into a contract capital equipment, there has to be some to supply the mine products in such a huge preference for the indigenous equipment quantity at a fixe"; price for so many years. suppliers. Vou are thinking that you have Ou~ own steel mills are starving of the good already taxed them very heavily. from are. I only want to say that the matter MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Deara, you ad should be enquired into. dress the House, through the Chairman. If you want to speak to the Finance Minister, If a party hod exported 6 million tonnes you can always go to his Chamber and of iron are, whose price is very high, they speak. would have know hown to get out of it. SHRI MURLI DEORA: Sir, I am speak ing through, you. (Interruptions) Now, we are importing steel from Japan I am requesting the han. Finance Min and they are charging high price. Could the ister , through you, that the rate of deprecia MMTC not say that they will pay the conver tion for indigenous equipment should be sion price. This contract should have been a higher. There should be an incentive forthe conversion of iron ore into steel. ind!Jstry to buy them from the indigenous equipment manufacturer. This will give boost SHRI SHRIKANT JENA(Cuttak): Ithink to them. Otherwise, the high profit-earning his agreement was in continuation of the companies like Colgate, etc. won't mind agreement entered into when Congress was paying high prices for importing the equip in power. ment rather than encouraging the local manufacturer for manufacturing the equip SHRI MURLI DEORA: No, it is not. I ment. have found it out today. Of late, there have been so many ar ticles regarding the events that are happen SHRI E. AHAMED: Even then the ing in Russia Take the example of Rouble Govemment has every right to revive it. Rupee parity. The people of Russia, the 491 Finance SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) Bill 492 [Sh. Murli Deora] ing sector i:1 the rural and urban areas. The real thing which is coming in the way is the Government of USSR have stood by us for U.L.C. , the Laws regarding rent and other so many years ever since our independ local problems. I would request the Finance ence. Now. we must stand by them. But Minister, thiough you, Sir, that ulban land there is a case for reviewing the Rupee ceiling whir.h has not even achieved half Rouble rate. The official Rupee-Rouble rate percent of its target in the urban areas, is 30:1. I do not want to give the market rate. either. it should be scrapped or if you do not ( Intenvptions) want to scrilp it. then at least. you amend it so that the land is made available in the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: urban conglomerates of Bombay, Calcutta Please speak one word for the common Delhi and Madras for development. people and please speak one word fOi India also. On that land. 600 sq. metrp.s. 400 sq. metres flat can be constructed. Today. a SHRI MURlI DEORA: This will help the large chunk of land is available in the big common people and also the country. Sixty cities, but it cannot be utilised for want of per cent of the defence equipment are im clearance from the Urban Land Develop ported from the U .S.S.R. I would request the ment Authority. han. Finance Minister, through you, to see that we do not lose much money. We have so much of iron ores. but we import steel; we have so much of oil and gas Some decision should be taken on the available in our fields, but. we are still spend Rupee-Rouble rate. It is because. the new ing Rs.1 0,800 crores on importing 20 million Russian Government would like to see that tonnes of oil today. Why? We have to take a their exports are made on the hard curren decision. This country has the biggest prob cies like the dollars, Deutschmark and so on. lem of resource crunch; we do not have What is happening in Export Processing money. Whether we allow foreigners; whether Zones? They ara importing from Germany, we allow big companies; whether we allow England and America. They are adding 35 muninationals, large houses, FERA or non per cent to 40 per cent or the value and are FERAor ex-Fera or rather import it, this is the exporting them to Rouble areas. I would choice before us. request the hon, Finance Ministerto look into it so that the country does not lose any Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee is here. In money. 1980-81, we were manufacturing 22 million tonnes of cement. The official price of ce I really welcome the de-regulatory ment was Rs. 16 per bag. The market price measures that have been announced in the was Rs.61 per bag in Bombay markel, all New Industrial Policy. But they are only over India. What did the Government do? applied to four specific systems of our econ The Government decontrolled the cement. omy-the Export-Import Policy, Licensing . The official price of Rs. 16 was allowed to MRTP a~ Foreign investment. But. there take in the books. ACC was selling it at Rs. are several other economic activities that officially. What was the result? They were are still left behind. I am sure the hen, Fi paying tax, they could get some money for na".ce Minister will give his attention to them expansion of cement plants. also. Today, we are manufacturing 47 million One sector which has not been yst tonnes of cement. Thel e was a d91icensing touched for liberaHsation by the hon. Fi of cement. Earlier, Nobody was allowed to nance Minister is the housing sector. He has manllfacture it. Ht-vv have we left socialism in given some incentives. I agree with him .. that? Today, we are manufacturing 47 mil You must give a massive boost to the hous- lion tonnes of cement. Who can manufac- 493 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 494 ture cement? I cannot manufacture it. It blessing of the new economic policy this has costs Rs. 130 crores for putting up one become a reality. cement plant for one million tonne. Only Tatas or Birlas or multinationals or foreign We find it again difficult, that te the new companies, or whatever you call them, can Ministry has put their predecessors in the manufacture cement. Today, it the price is, dock, that all these cris:s and problems are say, Rs. 100 or Rs. 90 a bay, it we are not the results of the policies pursued by the producing 47 million tonnes of cement, Hwe previous Governments although those continued to produce 42 million tonnes of Governments were not responsible for it. cement, today, the price would have been Rs. 3000 per bag. I guarantee that. There In this Bill, the Government has pro would be so much shortage of cement. This posed levy of taxes, or modification of exist is a case; this is an example of liberalisation. ing tax structure or continuance of the exist We have to see the example of cement; we ing tax structure beyond the period which have to see the example of iron ore. We have has been sanctioned by Parliament on the not allowed Tatas to expand their capacity earlier occasion. by one million tonnes. How many tonnes of steel we have imported in nine years? They The Government's approach, I find, in wanted expansion of their capacity ten years, tha agricultural sector is wrong. I like to five years back. remind the Finance Minister that five per cent of our rural people control more than The country must progress; and the 500 per cent of the land and its production. country will only progress with the dynamic The low income group and the middle in liberal economic policy you have got; and come group people and even the high in you must continue with this policy. come group, those who are in service, have beAn put in the taxation net. They cannot go SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR (Bar out of it. But only Rs. 22,000 is the limit. I shall rackpore): Mr. Chairman, the Budget speech reque.stthe Finance Ministerto review it and of the Finance Minister points out a very sae whether this can be raised. gloomy picture of our economy, which is a reality. We know that this is due to the wrong MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you not suggest policies in the field of finance, fiscal policy ing any quantum rise? and the lopsided view about priorities ar,d inadequate and unequal approach towards SHRI TAR IT BARAN TOPDAR: No.ldo the collection of resources which have not suggest. brought about this situation. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY (Katwa}: It can be discussed. We are in a difficulty because they have dismentled it in the name of economic policy; SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR: Yes, they have dismal'ltled what Pandit Jawahar that can be discussed across the table. I do Lal Nehru and Later on Mrs. Indira Gandhi not make any suggestion. did to enable or country to be self-reliant. We weredeffering with PanditJawahar Lal Nehru SHRI MURLI DEORA: Why across the and "'rs. Indira Gandhi with regard to their table? You can make a suggestion. poli.;ies; now we also differ with that policy. That is the trouble. SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR: I sug gest that this five percent paople who control That is the trouble. That is the problem the monopoly land holding should be put in and difficulty with ,",s. They have been on the the tax nat. They must pay income-tax. So wrong track. Our count!'}', so long, pursued a long this was not done and in the proposals policy to contain the neo-colonialist danger we find that there is no mtintion of it or eV9n of dragging of our country. And now, by the 3n indication of that. 495 FInance SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) SUI 498 [Sh. Tarit Baran Topdar] Big business houses are the tax evaders. Dr. singh Is attempting to compromise with the In the field of direct taxes, the first and black money holders If they are pleased to foremost point is that, time and again, the do. Government of India has declared to the black money - holders a last chance to Professor Kaldar said that tha three declare the black money. In 1950, the then musketeers, Shri. P. V. Narasimha Rae, Shrl Finance Minister, ShrlTyagl, declared as the Manmohan Singh and Shri P. Chidambaram last chance to black money holders to de had given the final blow to shackle the foun clare the black money and after that, almost dation of the Nehruvian economy of the every year, subsequent Finance Ministers country. This has been dono through de declared amnesty to the black money-hold valuation and other policies. They have ers as the last chance. In spite of several last brought our country to the mercy and black opportunities, we have seen that the black mail of the foreign finance capital and the money was not unearthed, on the other balck money generated by the NRls hand the black money went up. Only a neg ligible sum, which these black money hold [ Translation] ers consider convenient forthemselves, they declare and come out in open before the I do not know whose heart he is trying to Government to take more and more advan win (Manmohan},lt is difficult to know whom tage on different· fields generating black he is trying to win over the NRI or the foreign money again. finance capital. Sir, in paragraph 66 of his speech, the (English] Finance Minister has threatened of dire consequences and in the next paragraph, he A minority Government has done this came with a scheme of disclosure. Thanks to without consulting the people and the Parlia Dr. Singh that he has at least recalled the ment, and taking advantage of the electoral name of Prof. Kaldor. leaving aside all what and other situations in the country. This is an Prof. Kaldor had suggested about taxation authoritarianism of the worst type and a and other domains of our Indian economy, black-mail as well. They have declarad a he asked the Finance Minister asked the new Industrial policy and a new Fiscal Pol people to wait for better tomes when he will icy; a new Import-Export Policy and have be able to implement some of the ideas of done away with many things that have been Prof. Kaldor. But he did not forget to tell the there in our country. They did not take any of people with an authoritarian imposition. Now the Houses into confidence and they did not I quote his speech - paragraph 87. He says: come before the people through Parliament with their proposal. "The best I can do under the circum stances is that 1propose to do this year; In the basic economic policy from de keep the personal income-low rate struc valuation to the Import-Export Policy includ ture Including the surcharge un ing the industrial Policy and in the field of changed. That I have not added to the assessment of international situation. the burden of the taxpayer is, in itself; a Congress party is very much in union in relief.- opinion with the Bharatiya Janata Party. That is the most dangerous aspect of the This is what I mean to sayan authoritar development of our economy and polity. ian imposition on the people of India having been a Finance Minister of the minority In the garb of phraseology with an exu Government. berance of expectations in the gamble that the country has been entrapped by the new Salaried people are not the tax evaders. economic and fiscal policies and with eplan- 497 FlnanCtl BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No. 2) SRI 498 dour or diction in his speech, Dr. Singh tried regime the maximum BOP has been cre to 8urpr.. 80neof Indian Antony, misleading ated. That has not been mentioned. It is a the people through his flamboyant oratory, pity that our Finance Ministers are not men but could not 8UrpaSS his Inclinations to tioning that it has been one of the highest warda the people. In one of the paras he has during the period of 1984-89 when the written. Government was led by late Shrl. Rallv Gandhi. We are seriously concerned that our country, the parliament and nobody else "Who place bets will now also have the knows what are the conditionalities of the added pleasure of sharing their earn IMF. Have we devalued the rupee on the ings from races with the Government.· direction of the IMFP Dr. Singh, in an inter view, answered that the first dose of devalu MR. CHAIRMAN (RAO RAM SINGH): ation was given because the foreign ex Are you appreciating the humour in the Fi change reserves was exhausted. Then he nance Minister's speech? gave the next dose. Why two doses have been given. I do not know. He explained that SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR: I am a newspaper headline created a commotion appreciatin~ the gamble. Sir, he has not in the stock market. in the mcney market been able to fix the real target. He asks the throughout the country. people to wait for better time. On the other hand, I like to say that there is nothing new in In the morning when we saw the head the tax proposals. If you look into the Budget lines of the newspapers, I we learnt that he at a glance, if you go through the flow-sheet came to the office and before the stock of this year, of the last year and then of the market open he announced another dose of previous year where it has been shown as to devaluation. And no more explanation was where from a rupee comes and where does given. it go, you will find very little difference. There fore, what I want to say is that in these When rupee is devalued by 20 per cent taxation proposals, people have been in the then it means that exports worth Rs. 100 net since the beginning. There is nothing erores means export worth Rs. 120 erores. new in it. The big people are let free. That is Therefore, in terms of money and in terms of also there from the very beginning. The sin rupee, when we will see that the export has has been committed elsewhere. Since Inde Increased by 20 per cent, it actually means pendence, it has been in the field of collac: zero; it actually means nothing. Therefore, tions and expenditure. Now this has been this is the moment when we should consider committed in the field of industrial policy, in it as a moment of national shame. The threat the field of fiscal policy, in the field of tackling of colonisation that is faced today in much the capital and money market, in the field of more serious these that was overcome over export and import policy. This peckage of the years through the inertia of the freedom policies has given a final blow to the growing movement and the Non-aligned movement. danger into a reality, as danger of which our We had two slogans-efforts to caatch up with party has been consistently pointing out that the West and moving towards the twenty the bankrupt path of capitalism will lead to first century. Both of them came 10 mean the growth of monopolies and danger of non wholesale import of foreign technology colonialism. through the multinational components. Now. Sir. we are on the threshold of this This had a greater bearing and that has dangerous situation which will undermine brought about the catastrophIC conditions in the sovereignty and prestige of our country. the Balance of payments. On the other hand, Who II 10 be blamed for this Ignominious as a result of the devaluation, a steep rise in position in the BOP? The year should be the prices has already been experienced by mentioned in theoSpeech as to uncler whose all the people of our country. They are going 499 Finsncs SEPTEMBER 12,1991 (No.2) BII 500 [Sh. Tarit Baran Topdar] raj, in spite of deprivation of a serious natura, in spite of deprivation of a politically moti higher and higher. This will bring about a vated group of politicians and the party, i ••• disaster in the production of commodities the Congress party, West Bengal has been which are domestically produced. able to develop the rural economy to a de sired level. The states of Eastern Regions - This was not happened in one day. Bihar, Orissa Assam,Tripura, Meghalaya, Technology does not remain foreign for Manipur and other States - are also lan ever. NeWlon discovered tl'le Law of Gravita guishing for that. They are also asking that if tion. It is not foreign to us now. James Watt West Bengal can do, why we can't? Now, discovered the steam engi.,es. It is not for West Bengal has become the banner which eign to us nowadays. Only a few years ago will determine or inspoire the people all over , the computers were foreign technology to India to find out the way as to how to eman us. Now we are exporting software to differ cipate, how to grow, how to develop, how not ent countries. Therefore, I would like to to depend on this group of bureaucratic mention how this has happened from the machination. scientific theory of quantum mechanics. Everybody of us can see that who water MR. CHAIRMAN: You will have to please drops, water continuously accumulates 8.nd wind up now. it drops down when a certain quantum is attended. This is the quantum that is at SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR: On this tended gradually which we have learnt since matter I would like to implore upon the hon. the days of Nehru. It has to drop to this Finance Minister to give special attention to ignominus position. Probably they are the the cooperative movement, panchayat raj ment.lrsnoco. and basic reforms. I urge upon the Govern ment to call upon the people of India and But if somebody of the Congress party urge upon the Ruling party at the Centre not was there in the Chair he would have acted to be inclined more and more with the BJP on in this fashion because it has bee., impera the basic economic issues and analysis of tivEi in the process of development they the international issues. Please depend on themselves have persued. What we find is, the people of India and call upon them for a the political party and the politicians who had real land reform so that we can stand our lost faith in themselves are being used by a own feet. We can participate in the interna group of bureacreds and techvocrats and tional economic order with honour and pres other professionals (who occupy the posi tige if we have our strong back bone tion of bureaucracy), who are in league with the international group. In the name of inte This strong backbone can be created gration into the international market, we are only by a genuine land reform which we are all in a debt trap from which we cannot come strivins for. out. Shri Murli Deora has pointed out that foreign investment is very likable because Thltn, Dr. Singh had said that these are they will have their stake in our country. He long term policies and his bags are empty has forgotten to mention that they will have now. But it was not the only alternative to sell a stake in running the political system of our out the country. There were other alterna country as well. That is the danger we are tives to cot down the expenses. By passing facing now. an order he could have cut down the motor car expenditure of the Central and State In the end, I, in the form of suggestion, Governments by 25 per cent. He could have again request the Finance Minister to have passed another order that diesel engines in some experience from what we experienced Railways would be done away with and only in Wost Bengal. On the foundation of land the st9am engines or the electricallocomo reforms and agenuine democralicpanchayati tives would be used to develop the railways. 501 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 502 Instead of developing r. :Iways, we are de 40 per cent on the deposits so made and the veloping the motor car industry which in balance is ;>ayable in instalments. creases the import Bill. That is why I want to say that immediate measures were also But the proposed scheme to deal with there instead of surrendering before the IMF the black money may not achieve the ex of the foreign finance capital including the pected results. Earlier during the years 19S0 NRls. and 1986, the Government came forward with bearer bonds schame and voluntary 16_43 hr •• disclosure scheme. Each scheme did not attract more than Rs. 1,000 crores out of the SHRI MAGUNTA SUBBARAMA estimated circulation of Rs. 80,000 crores REDDY (Ongola): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I thank black money. you very much for giving me an opportunity to make my malden speech in this August So my suggestions are that since 90 per House. cant of the black money is in the form of assets such as gold, diamonds, movable Sir, given the critical economic situation and immovable properties, the Government prevailing in the country, we must really will have to come out with a policy enabling congratulate our hon. Finance Minister on all the assessees and non-assessees to his sincere eHorts in presenting a growth disclose the true value of their assets. To oriented budget and I support the Bill. I disclose correct value of the asse,s, the would like to make few suggestions for your Government should abolish the capital gains consideration. tax, on the sale of the are-valued assets. Out of the Income-tax collection of As. 12,000 As you are aware form 1965 to 1970 the crores, the revenue from capital gair,s tax rate of Income Tax was S7.5 per cent and wili not be more than As. 200 crores and on Wealth Tax was 15 per cent totalling 102.5 the other hand, it is the biggest source for the per cent. Since the rate of Income Tax was circulation of black money. so high that no citizen was willing to pay 102.5 per cent resulting in tax evasion and Also the Government will have to abol generation of black money in ourcolJntry.ln ish Wealth Tax and Gift Tax to facilitate the view of the high rates of taxes during the tax payers to declare the true value of the above period, the Government has laid a assets. Since the revenue generated out of strong foundation for the generation of black the scheme two taxes are very low and they money, which has become a necessity and may be abolished. a habit and has become a parallel economy. Hthe Capital Gains Tax and Wealth Tax Even though the amount of black money are removed the Government will be able to is estimated around Rs. SO,OOO crores, the get black money of Rs. SO,OOO crores into Government is not aware that the entire circulation within a short period of one year. amount is not in the form of liquid cash, but Once the black money comes into circula it is in the form of assets such as gold, tion, it wil! yield income in subsequent years diamonds, movable and immovable proper which will be subjected to regular rates of ties. At present, every disclosed asset invari income-tax. If the As. 80,000 crores of black ably contains black money. Every seller money comes into circulation and even if it receives black money and every buyer pays earns an income of 15 per cent, it will gener black money. ate Rs.12,OOO crores income and the mini mum tax on it would be As.4,OOO crores To deal with the black money, han. which is equal to 10 times more than the Finance Minister has come out with the Capital Gains Tax and Wealth Tax revenue. scheme of depositing the money in the Na In this process, the country will be able to tional Housing Bank with the special levy of realise 10 limes more revenue than the Joss 503 Finance SEPTEMBER 12,1991 (No.2) SOl 504 [Sh. iv1agunta Sub .• ba Rama Reddy] out with a scheme allowing those, having black money to construct small plinth araaof of revenue on abolition of Capital Gains Tax 800 to 1200 sq. ft. houses using the black and Wealth Tax and the circulation of black money. Once the house so constructed Is money comes to an end. sold, the sale proceeds are to be deposited in any financial institution for a period of one As on today, the Government has given year thereafter and the money so deposited exemption on Capital Gains Tax upto 50 per will come into the mainstream. By providing cent on long term capital gains and 100 per the scheme, the Government will achieve cent exemption on the capital gains if the the twin results, namely, solving the acute sale proceeds are deposited in the financial housing problem and at the same time, put Institutions. So , to put an end to the black ting an end to the circulation of black money, money circulation , the Government must H the Government is serious in solving the abolish capital gains tax and use the depart black money menace, the above two sug mental machinery which is engaged in issu gestions may be considered. ing form 37 (1) clearance and connected to property matters for better use and avoid Also to curb the habit of generating the corruption and hardship to the assessees. black money, the rate of income-tax has to be reduced to 40 per cent for the corporate It is now proposed not to allow the set off sector and for individuals with a minimum of of capital losses against the income, but only 10 per cent and a maximum of 30 per cent. to permit to carry forward capital losses to be By doing so, the motivation of generation of set oft against tuture capital prot it. black money would not be there. During the year 1986, the Government of India reduced This is not the answer for the problem. the rates of tax drastically, yet the tax reve The Government must always be aware by nue has increased tremendously. So, the imposing more complicated system, the law Government must take bold steps to reduce breakers are equally intelligent to overcome the rates of income-tax to increase the the problems. Today we have come out with number of tax payers resulting in the growth a scheme to set off against capital loss with of tax revenue. capital gains only. Likewise, tomorrow if we have to come out with loss in vegetable Over thirty years, the country has pro business, it will have to be set off against the duced tax dodgers. Now the time has come profit in vegetable business only. So are we that we have to work for more tax payers. going to take our income-tax, based on the Tax compliance should be the prime objec product-wise tax or on the overall income? tive of tax law and tax evasion should not be More the Government complicates the sys encouraged by the unequitable tax system. tems, the law breakers overcome by invent ing new methods. Our past revenue history shows that out of Rs.11, 700 crores tax collection for 1989- To avoid all the complications and to put 90, 90 per cent has been paid voluntarily by an end to the black money circulation, it is the assessee as advance tax and tax deduc better you abolish Capital Gains Tax, Wealth tion at source and by seH-assessment tax Tax and Gift Tax. and the balance 10 per cent has been col lected with the efforts of massive depart Anothersuggestion, 'would like to make mental enforcement machinery and the Is that out of Rs. 23,000 crores of liquid amount of enforcement machinery costs the money In circulation, abourRs.15,OOOcrores country As. 262 erores. is accounted money and the balance of Rs. 8,000 crores is unaccounted. To bring this The large seale enforcement machin unaccounted money ot As.B,OOO crores into ery has added corruption and haras ••nt to cir~lation • the Government should come the tax paY.rI. For e.g. the Government has 505 Fmance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 506 announced in the House an amount of should disclose at lead to the PARLIAMENT Rs.6,558 crores as arrears of income-tax. their outstanding loans, inoperative accounts The large-scale tax enforcement machinery that are over one year old with proper rea to prove their existence has raised unjusti sons and the steps taken for the recovery. H fied and arbitrary demands most of which one has to believe recent press reports 8 would not stand to the test of law and to major banks are supposed to be in red after support my point I request the Hon. Finance taking into the account of bad debts not Ministerto verify the amount of arrears as on provided for in their account. H necessary, 1-4-90 and how much has been collected out suitable amendment would be made to the of the said arrears as on 31-3-91 and the Banking Regulation Actto disclose the above amount of realization would prove the rais information to this August House. ing of unjust and huge unrealizable demands. This shows how our tax laws converted Similar are the cases of financial instit,, honest people into dishonest people. We tions. In the case of Financial Institutions have to reverse this history and make the published data regarding recoveries and tax compliance as honourable and respect irregular accounts are more of a fiction than ful.ln fact tax compliance should become an reality. In the so called liberaJised industrial economically justifiable proposition. Simpli policy, industrialists are thronging the bank fication of tax laws will further justify for tax ing sector with their inflated and escalated compliance through the voluntary payment industrial projects to drain away the public route. Thus in the place of monstrous depart savings for creation of economic concentra mental enforcementmachineryonecan have tion of wealth in the hands of a few people. lean and effici~nt organisation. Banking sector, especially the public Some hon. Members may feel that the financial institutions, do not enforce the honest tax payers are deprived, if my sug personal; guarantees and involvement of gestions are implemented but some time or the promoters, directors and others. As a the other this black money menace has to be result, even before the industry gets started, put an end for the developmental of econ it is ensured to become virtually a sick proj omy in our country. ect. While the industry suffers, the concerned industrialists get rich and get away with all iII Interest on Refunds: It is proposed to gotten wealth abroad for the benefit of the reduce the interest payable to the assesses economically developed countries. from 18 per cent to 12 per cent while the interest collected from the assesses is 18 Since the financial institutions are not in per cent to 24 per cent which is unjust. Both a position to collect their loan amount now the interest payable and collectable to be they are forced to do partial dis investment. equalised. Therefore, I suggests the following reme dies. Banking-bad Debt and in Operative Account: Virtually every nationalised bank 1. Financial institutions should strictly has become a BIFR case. But all of them enforce the guarantee clause and make have been kept well through window dress sure that the industrialists, promoters, direc ing in accounting methods. Inoperative ac tors, their kith and kin should have personal counts for more than one year and above, if stake and involvement. treated as bad debts and disclosed, all the nationalised banks w~1 become bankrupt 2. At least 10 per cent of the corporate resulting in massive runs on banks. Deposi loan should be backed by collateral securi tors will lose confidence and the entire bank ties belonging to the entrepreneurs. ing system Le, the entire edifICe of our monetary and free market economy wi. 3. The aboVe 10 per cent collateral collapse. Banks and Financial institutions security of the corporale loan may be waived 507 Finance SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) BUI 508 [Sh. Magunta Sububa Rama Reddy] ner carries no duty for charitable hospitals. Most of the hospitals in India are charitable in the case of small entrepreneurs and tech and thus they pay no duty. Hence they prefer nocrats up to a limit of As. one crore project the import of scanners. cost. But other guarantees must be insisted. In contrast, the indigenous manufactur 4. A promoter whose industry becomes ers pay 25 per cent duty on imported compo sick should be black-listed from further bor nents to and are unable to compete with the rowing. Any company that takes him on the duty-free imported scanners. board should also be bracketed in the black list. This kind of irregular duty structure has been implemented by the National Front 5. Banking Chairman and other Direc Government and it had crippled the local tors should be held responsible and pun industry and drained out ourvaluableforeign ished even after retirement, who are respon exchange. Because of this kind of policy, we sible to create such inoperative accounts. forced to pledge our valuable gold in the international market to borrow foreign ex All the above suggestions are made change. Even now it is nottoo late and if this with a view to create a fear and credit kind of anomalies are corrected, we can worthiness to the entrepreneur and to feel save a lot of foreign exchange which will not that if once they cheat the banks, they must only help to redeem the gold pledged but feel that they cannot borrow any more money also we will be able to acquire more gold and from the banks like in America. strengthen our currency. Customs: The import policy should Balance of Payments. The Hon. Finance promote indigenous production on competi Minister is kind enough to give two schemes tive lines and not stifle it. For this purpose, to attract more foreign exchange.. to improve the basic rule is the import duty on raw the balance of payment situation. material imported should be lower than the finished goods so that local manufacturers The first scheme covers the remittance can import the raw materials and compete of foreign exchange from abroad as a gift to with the imported goods. H the duty on raw the Indian residents which would not attract materials is more than the finished finished gift tax and the source from which the gift goods, then the policy stands on its head received would not be questioned. and it is perverse. It encourages import of finished goods and discourages indigenous The other scheme relates to the sale of produdion. This results in drain of foreign India Development Bonds in foreign ex exchange as well as rendering local capacity change with a maturity period of five years. unecononical and idle. For example, duty on Both the schemes are valid up to 30th. Polystyrene is 55 per cent and the duty on November, 1991. raw-material which is Ethyl Benzene is 90 per sent. You' can see from the above the I personally feel that both the schemes duty on raw-material is 70 per cent more would not achieve even 10 per cent of the than the finished goods. How can a local desired results. The hon. Finance Minister manufacturer of polystyrene compete with has mentioned in the august House that imported polystyrene? So, the import of there is no foreign exchange available to polystyrene is cheaper and profitable. To import even essential commodities. encourage our local industries and to dis courage the imports, the duty strudure has I, therefore, propose to suggest the fol to be corrected. lowing scheme which wiUyield As. 10,000 to Rs.15,OOO erores worth of foreign exchange Similarly, an imported whole body-scan- on non-repatriable basis. Ourcountry is facing 509 Finance BHADRA 21.1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 510 acute silortage of essential commodities such Hence the smuggling of gold would be con as edible oils. pulses etc. Because of foreign trolled automatically. Because of the free exchange crisis; the above items could not availability of gold. the selling prices of gold be imported and distributed through the . in India would come down. Hence the above public Distribution System resulting in the suggestion may be considered. steep increase in the prices of the above commodities to the consumers. If the above two schemes are success ful, the Government may consider on the In the NAIs are allowed to import the same lines to bring some more items which above commodities on non-repatriable ba would be imported by NAls. sis. 50 per cent of the so imported quantities would be offered at landed cost to the Gov I have a strong feeling if the above two ernment of India for distribution through the schems are implemented, As. 10,000 to Public Distribution System and the balance As.15,ooO crores worth of foreign exchange 50 per cent will be allowed to be sold in the would flow into our country. This will help to open-market by the NAIs like any other local reduce our external borrowing at high rate of producers. Since the NAls are taking the interest and also help in redUCing the Budg trouble of importing the commodities on non etary deficit. -repatriable basis. import duty concession of 40 per cent may be given as an incentive. 17.00 hr•• The Government 01 India has announced Fertilizers: The han. Finance Minister a scheme with a special levy of 40 per cent has increased the cost of fertilisers by 40 per to convert the black-money into accounted cent and after claborate discussions he is money through the National Housing Bank kind enough to reduce to 30 per cent for channel. other than small and marginal farmers who are exempt • But while implementing the In the case of foreign exchange remit above policy. the Government has issued tance to India by way of gifts. the donees are directions to collect 30 per cent increase not liable to pay 40 per cent special levy • So. from the small and marginal farmers also the Government has given a concession of which would be reimbursed on produdion of 40 per cent special levy on the foreign ex necessary landholding certificates. This change remittances. system would encourage large scale corrup tion , loss of revenue to the Government So. if the same stand is taken. allowing causing extreme hardship to the small and the NAls to import the commodities on non marginal farmers. Instead of this cumber repatriable basis, the duty concession 01 40 some procedure, if the Govemment decides per cent is justified. to raise the cost by 15 per cent uniformly. there would not be any hardship for anybody If the decision is taken on these lines, and the corruption will not be there to the then without spending single rupee in for farmers. eign exchange the Government can supply 50 per cent 01 the so imported commodities So, my humble suggestion may kindly through the Public Distribution System to be considered. I thank you for giving me an consumer and the balance 50 per cent by the opportunity to speak. NAls which would bring down the prices to the consumers. SHAI AOSHAN LAL (Khurja): Mr. Chair man, Sir,lthankyoufor allowing metospeak Import of Gold: If the Government de on the Finance Bill • I rise to oppose the Bill cides to levy a lumpsum duty of As.50,OOOI on account of various infinnities. - per kg. of gold, huge quantity of gold would be brought by NAlson non-repatariable basis. Before I embark on my regular speech 511 Finance SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No. 2) Bnl 512 [Sh. Roshan LaI) Looking to the rise in prices and the attitude of the Government, is it possb.. to on the Finance Bill, I would liketo register my bring down the prices to the level of July dissapointment with the performance of our 1990? If the Government has to do this, it has Finance Minister as reflected in the Bill under to lower down the price ranging from 30 per discussion. He enjoys a reputation of being cent to 40 per cent. On certain items prices an eminent economist of the country. But I have gone up by 25 per cent and in some do not know why he has not utilised his long other cases, it is 30 per cent and in certain experience in the field of economics to shape cases, prices have gone up to 40 per cent this Bill. He appears to be prisoner of bu reaucratic inertia to innocation. I am re So, it is not possible. if not impossible, minded of an Urdu couplet here; for the present Government or for the FI nance Minister to reduce the prices to the ·Bahut Shor Sunte the pahlu mein Oil level of July 1990. With the loan from IMF, Ka excessive dependence on foreign aid and Jo Cheera To Ek Katrae khoon Nikla· almost complete freedom to MNCsand FERA companies for rapid industrialisation, they Various infirmities are listed below: are gadding to erode the common man's purchasing power and employment oppor It tends to break the backbone of the tunities on the one hand and the nation's poor, lower and middle class persons due to self reliance on the other hand. its inflamatory tendencies resulting in the rise of the prices of essential commodities. The huge concessions given to MNCs, For instance, petroleum and petroleum prod FERA companies and big industrial houses ucts, sugar, soaps blades surf, pulses, ed would radically alter the technological fix of ible oil, footwear. fertilisers and pesticides. our nation and reduce employment opportu nities in the organised sector substantially. Seventy per cent of the population in The medium and small scale sectors would India lives in rural areas and as such, the face gradual extinction except as surrogates. seventy per cent of the population has its Moreover, neglect of agrticultural develop source of income from agriculture. This in ment has a further disincentive to employ cludes the land holders as weH as the lan ment generation. In this context, the alloca dless Labourers. tion of Rs. 2,100 crores for employment scheme is nothing more than a drop in the Though the Finance Minister has given ocean. While devaluation will make imports further relief to the middle orthe lower middle costlier and exports cheaper, the competi class land holders but it will not give relief to tiveness of our industrial products shall be them. Rather it will complicate the problem substantially reduced against the goods and will increase the corruption in that field. manufactured by MNCs or FERA compa nies whom the new policy would make The Finance Minister tends to increase even more amenable to foreign influence the cost of the imported goods and lower thus not only our indigenous industries, but down the price of exports. It was provided in R&D win also suffer. Moreover, the sweDing the election manifesto of the ruling party that debt service rates of 30 per cent would after taking over the power, the prices of further imbalance foreign trade and we shaH essential commocfrties will be brought down be moving over close to a -debt trap-. Our to the level of July. 1990. The hundred days economic sovereignity would also be je0p will be over by the end of this month. ardized. The Finance Bill has not provided any [SHRIMATI MALINI BHATACHARAYA in rrtliefforthemiddleincomegroupassessees the Chail1 having an income upto As. llakh. They do 513 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 514 not enjoy any relief from the Bill. Thus, this session, those incriminatir,g documents was BUI has not raised the minimum taxable staying in the inspection house and in the income limit and it had maintained it only at morning, when he was going to another As. 22,000. It has not provided any increase guest house, was caught on the road by a in the Standard Deduction provided under goonda sent by the property dealer, in con Section 16(1) of the Income-Tax Ad. Had it nivance of the SSP there. There was a been provided, the salaried persons would quarrel between the two, there was firing have got some relief. This matter I will dis during the quarrel and manhandling. The cuss later. OUt of the total revenue from the goonda had fired with the unlicensed re direct taxes, 85 per cent of the revenue is volver and he had one licensed revolver from 15 per cent of the assessees. The 15 also. The goonda himself was hurt and the per cent assessees who give 85 per cent Deputy Commissioner was arrested and he revenue, are the big industrial houses. If the was sent to jail. The District Judge did not Government had provided any relief to those grant him the bail and the Allahabad High classes having an income of upto Rs. 1 lakh, Court later on granted him the bail. I do not then, the fall in the tax collection, would have know what steps the Finance Minister or the been met by increasing the rate in the in Government of India is taking in this respect. come-tax of the higher limit, that is those This is very shameful thing for us that we having an income of above Rs.1 lakh or Rs. cannot protect our officers who are Collec 2lakhs. tors of Revenue. The Bill makes no provision to maintain Madam, this had also happened in Hapur the prestige and dignity of the person of the in 1987 when I was in charge of the Raid Department who enforce and implement the Party. The officers got hold of some incrimi provisions of the Income-Tax Ad, 1961. nating documents from the business com Here, I would like to draw the attention of the munity and some persons were allowed in Hon. Finance Minister to Section 132 of the with guns, lathis and other things. The Dep Income Tax Act, 1961, which deals with the uty Commissioner who was in charge had ·Search and Seisure operations-. I think asked the SSP or the Magistrate to orderfire. everybody here might be knowing the fate of Ultimately, I had to hold responsibility and I these people. It was in near about 1982-83, took hold of them ... (Interruptions) .•. Unless when I was posted here in Delhi, there was we give protection and make some meas a Raid Party on siezure operations in Sri ures, there will be no improvement in this nagar. Both the lady officers and men were regard. I would discuss this part later on. I mercilessly beaten up. Their clothes were would 6ke to just know what measures the torn off, they were man-handled and all sorts Finance Minister is going to take in this of misbehaviour was meted out to them. matter. Later on, in 1986-87,1here was a similar Regarding valuation of unquoted shares incident in Muzzaffarnagar. The Income Tax of investment companies, sub-rule 3 in Rule Department people who are here may be 12 of Schedule III of the Wealth Tax Ad is knowing it well as to what misbehaviour was sought to be inserted with effect from 1.4.1991 done to them while they were on search whereby the equity shares held by the in operations. vestment companies would be valued at quoted price for the purposes of determining You will be astonished to know a recent the valuation of shares of investment com case In Dehradun from where I retired in panias. This Section was also Introduced in 1988. About eight or nine months back, there 1989 but later on, it was deleted on account was a raid in the business premises of a of being unpradicable and borne expensive property dealer. Some incriminating docu by the administration. Now, I am at a loss to ments were siazed. The Deputy Commis understand that this type of provision has sioner of Income Tax who had, in this pos- again been introduced. The Supreme Court 515 FIfIS/ICtJ SEPTEMBER 12,1991 (NO.2) BII 516 ISh. Roshan LaI} officers of C.,,'ra' Excise and Police, who are provided with arms while on duty. It Is in 1221TR 38 and B61TR 621, has described also suggested that there should be strong that the method of valuation of the shares rooms to store seized articles of the defaul held by the investment companies inflict ters. The Department is finding it difficult to wealth tax liabilities on those share holders. store the moveable property of tax defaul So, this provision whieh is now introduced, ters. has to be deleted again. Now I come to recovery of tax arrears. Sir, the Finance Minister h8!S introduced Our tax arrears are to the extent of about As. a scheme of National Housing Bank. In his 6,900 erore out of which more than 50 per Budget speech, he has referred to certain cent cannot be recovered. Only about proposals forflushing out black money. These Rs.3000 crore can be recovered. I would proposals however, appearto be haR-hearted request the Hon. Finance Minister to make and they entirely run counter to the ground this a result-oriented scheme. Every officer realities of the situation. The disclosure should be asked to recover certain arrears scheme under which the assessee would be and they must be given incentives from the allowed to deposit the black money in cash sale of moveable and immoveable proper with the National Housing Bank and subse ties. quently withdraw 60 per cent for certain stated purposes is bound to fail since it Income tax limit should be raised to Rs. suffers from certain basic infirmities. The 30,000 from Rs. 22,000 and in order to give scheme proceeds on the erroneous assump relief to the middle income group salaried tion that the unaccounted money is lying people, the tax rate should be reduced from stacked up in currency notes in the secret 20 per cent to 5 per cent. vaults of the assessees. This however, is not the case. The unaccounted money is being Forthe salaried persons, my proposal is deployed by the assessees in various forms that up to Rs. 50,000, standard dedudion like immoveable properties as well as capital should be raised to Rs. 20,000 and the assets and stocks. assessees having salary above Rs. 50,000, standard deduction should be Rs. 25,000. The rate of income tax for individuals is To make up the loss of revenue, suitable 56 per cent and for limited companies it is increase in the rates be made on the other 56.6 per cent, whereas the levy under the income groups. disclosure scheme is only 40 per cent. So, this scheme of disclosure is not practical. A reward to the extent of 10 per cent of the excess collection over budget target MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude now. fixed for a year of a particular officer be given. For not fulfilling the budget targets the SHRI ROSHAN LAL: Madam, I would offieer should be suitably punished. Every like to give certain suggestions to counter officer should be asked to give at least one the menace of tax evasion. I suggest that raid or survey case in one or two years of his magisterial powers must be given to the posting. Similarly, for the excess revenue officer in charge of the Search and Seizure c;ollected as a result of his efforts he should operations. Atevary Deputy Commissioner'S also be rewarded. Headquarter, armed constables with a sub inspector of police are to be posted and Now, J will give some suggestions for these police offtcers should be on deputation black money minimization. For payment of basis to the Department of Income Tax. tax arrears, the officer should not ask the source of payment. The offICers while going on raids should be provided with fire anns as in the case of P8ISOns belonging to the weaker seo- 517 Finance BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 518 tions of the society, who have black money, affairs during the lasttwoor four days. Russia can buildJanata flats costing about Rs.2S,OOO is the most powerful state in defence matters to 'Rs.30,OOO each. this amount should be and if they are being threatened what will be deducted from the net taxable inoome. our fate. It will be disastrous not only to our country but to nearly one hundred countries MR. CHAIRMAN: Since there is a HaH where no one will be left to raise voice. In this an-hour Discussion at 5.30, you kindly con background, I understand that our Minister clude so that I can allow at least one more of Finance had to bow his head before the speaker to speak. World Bank and IMF .•• (lnterruptions) ... This country cannot be easily sold but he has SHRI ROSHAN LAL: The provision of bowed his head in submission. He made an investigating the source of investment in the attempt to meet the basic problems facing specified Government securities should be the country and tried to fulfil the commitment deleted. made in their election manifesto to bring down the prices within 100 days but I under SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubani): stand that his efforts proved futile owing to Madam, the Finance Minister has presented the wrong stand taken by the World Bank. the Budget in an atmosphere where the IMF The prices are increasing at an alarming and the World Bank are equally dominating rate. Despite having an experienced Minis the monetary scene; and when the Socialist ter of Finance in the economic field, inflation world is facing a trouble to some extent seH is increasing at the rate of nearly 20 percent. created trouble. Is this the outcome of his entire experience. Does it mean that crores of working people [ Translation] are being deprived of what they earn? They toil hard to earn money and their hard earned THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE money is reduced to lower value. The finan MINISTRY OF POWER AND NON CON cial policy adopted by this Government has VENTIONAL ENERGY SOURCES (SHRI accelerated the pace of lowering the value of KALPNATH RAI): Please apeak in Hindi rupee. because you speak Hindi very fluently. Madam, a lot of propaganda is being SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: All right. made in the name of private sector. Some of my friends have spoken here but I did not like Madam Chairperson, the socialist world it. The affluent people make the politicians is passing through a traumatic period in their speak here or compel the to indulge in cor attempt for democratisation. The problems ruption. They want their representatives to faced by the public sector and the common speak here openly. In democracy there is people are being neglected. While welcom freedom of speech. We have adopted mixed ing the democratic system, I consider it economy rightfrom the very begining. Public necessary to point out that howsoever un sector was formed not to adopt the policies democratic the socialistic set up may be, it is of communists or Nehruji but it was an im more democratic to th8 innumenerable perative. The public sector was formed with workers working in the democratic capitalis the objective of developing our backward tic system. Still the attempt to bring democ country and also on account of the fact that racy is welcome and it should have been the multi-millionaires were not prepared to brought earlier. h should be done rapidly invest money in it. Nobody from foreign now. The problems that are cropping up on countries were ready to extend any kind of the financial front should be a warning to us. assistance to the basic industries. In a OUr newspapers are perhaps mocking at the seminar held way back in 1958-59, the rep terms and conditions imposed by the U.S. resentative of U.S.A. Mr. Kennedy pointed Secretary of State and President on Russia out that India is symbolised by spinning and their interference in Russia's internal wheel and plough and as such it should nat 519 Fmance SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No. 2) Bill 520 [Sh. Bhogendra Jha] pass the Finance Bill today. imitate the ways of western world or the SHRI RAM KAPSE (Thana): No. It was world of machines. Thereafter, we had to not decided in the Business Adviory Com move towards industrialisation and through mittee. I was present there throughout. the assistance extended by the Soviet Union from the socialist world we developed our This Bill has to be passed today. basic industries and made progress in the public sector. That was the amalgamation of MR. CHAIRMAN: Half-an-hour Discus public and private sedors. The owners of the sion is tobe taken up now. So. I would newspapers are multi-millionaires of our request you that you can continue your country. These newspapers are run with the speech after the discussion is over. money of the public sectors and with the money of the public collected as taxes. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: I have to go Government and the public spend money on to attend some other meeting after this. H advertisements. The newspaper industry later on you can give me time, then I will sit makes profits through these advertisements down. and criticise the public sector. I would like to know from the Hon. Minister of Finance MR. CHAIRMAN: After the Half-an-hour whether there is even one whoie-sale trader Discussion is over. in the entire country who is doing business with his own money. Certainly not. Money SHRI RAM KAPSE: It was not decided taken from public sector and common man is at all that we will sit after 6 p.m. invested in their business and then criticise the general public by saying that you cannot SHRI CHITTA SASU (Sarasat): Will the run this society and you cannot run this House sit today after 6 p.m.? Government. MR. CHAIRMAN: I think it has already I am saying so because the newspaper been decided that the House will be sitting industry is in their hands and people read upto8 p.m. only the headings. I want the Minister of Finance to place the facts relating to the SHRI RAM KAPSE: No. It was not money taken by private sectors for invest decided in the SAC. I was present there ment in different industries and the amount throughout involved in it before the House and the country. They have taken a large amount of SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): public money and I am not happy. I want to When was it decided? I do not know about it. point out that by doing so they are harming the public sector al'ld the society. I hope that SHRI KALP NATH RAI: Today, the the voice raised in response will not be the Finance Bill will be passed. voiCe of the Minister of Finance, Shri Manmo han Singh but the voice of the entire MR. CHAIRMAN: All right. Please sit country •.•.•. Our country cannot make prog down. How long are you going to take to ress without the public sector. Nehruji once finish your speech? said that •.. (/nte"uptions) ... SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Fifteen min [English} utes. MR. CHAIRMAN: That will be too long a MR. CHAIRMAN: May I request you to time. I would ask you tocondudeyou speach sit down for a while? We are supposed to within five minutes. If the House agrees, then take up Half-an-hour Discussion at 5.30 p.m. after that we can go on to the Half-an-hour I have also been informed that w. have to Discussion. 521 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 522 SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA: EXacllywithin compromised in this matter and had not ten minutes. made any earnest attempt to contain price rise and is still adopting the saine attitude. II MR. CHAIRMAN: Does the House agree was also adopted by the previous Govern to his request? ment. It means that the power is in the hands of profiteers. They are earning a lot of profit. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. They collect money from the public and purchase goods at cheaper rates from public [ Translation] and sell these goods to them higher prices. This type of loot is going on in our country. SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA: The Minister They have aoontrolonthe newspapers, they of Finance has mustered courage to tell the purchase the leaders and parties. They are people that he cannot control price rise. My even capable of toppling and changing the submission to him would he that be may Governments. They are so powerful. Our make an announcement in the House today Han. Finance Minister has shown some or tomorrow that whatever money has been courage to discourage public sector and given by the banks to the whole-sellers or boost private sector. individual traders, be returned by them. I am not saying about industry, I mean to say that Mr. Chairman, Sir,l would like to submit the money from the banks may be advanced that we have been facing problems in the through S.T.C. and F.C.I. for providing goods field of industry, finance and commerce. An for running the public distnbution system. han. member had raised the issue of iron Leave the private trader free to act. let him are. Are we still confronting with the same make investment in his trade on his own and problem of exporting iron are and mica? Why in case you make the announcement tomor should we not export iron an mica as finished row then prices will come down. That will goods? Our position is still like a colonial fulfil the promise made to bring down prices one. The same position is going on. We are within hundred days also. "your intention is exporting raw mica and iron ore and suffer clear and you have the will then you can ing a loss in the international market. We are make this announcement. If it is done then importing steel from Japan at higher rates. It we will see as to how much money is avail has been going on for the last several years. able for whole-sale trade. Cement, cloth, Should we not check this trend? Despite low sugar and foodgrains worth thousand crores pace of progress, our country ranks 10th in of rupees is lying dumped in godowns. But the field of industry in the world. We could the consumers do not get it. Thereafter, an enhance our production from 5 crore tonnes impression is created that we fall short of to 17 112 crore tonnes in the field of agricul foodgrains and number of consumers is more ture since 1985. Therefore, there is a need to with the result prices shoot up. The price-rise change our industrial and financial policies. is artificial. Seventeen and a haH crore ton nes of foodgrains was produced which was Mr. Chairman, it has been said in the the highest record. But there was a rise in the President's Address, Hon. Finance Minister prices of foodgrains. H more cement is pro has also said and we are also in the favour of duced then industrialists claim that there will labourers' participation in the management be glut in the market. H 'it Is not sold, the as well as in the prodution. This can also be prices of cement will go up. The same has introduced in private sector. They should happened in case of sugar. Prices went sky also be entrusted with some responsibility in high with the increase in production. Prices management and production. Participation are being increased by taking Government of workers in the management should be and public money and foodgrains are being introduced. He should be given share in the dumped in the godowns. You wiD say that profit, if possible. In this manner, the produc this was decided by the Government which tion will go up. Particularfy our industrial had our support. That Government had policy has been to encourage big industry. 523 rllJanCe SEPTEMBER 12.1991 (No. 2) Bill 524 [Sh. &hogendra Jha) in which educated had uneducated people should come forward. About 20 years ago But Medium, small and very smaB and col some uneducated people and started the tage industries also have an important role in work of shoe-making at my instance. They our economy as we have a lalge population are now millionaires. They are grateful to me of 85crores. Whichever party may come into as I had assisted them. I am grateful to them power, the medium, smaU and cottage in as they stood against all odds and became dustries will continue to have an important successful. I wear shoes made in Madhu place in our economy. We ean neither do banL which is Comparatively better than without big industries nor without medium Bata. Though the price is lass but the quality industries. The figures given here show as to is better. Thus, I would request that steps how many smaD sca1e industries are on the should be taken to provide financial assis verge of closure how many of a them can be tance and resources for self-employment to expanded at a large scale. If we finance and educated and uneducated people. Some promote our smaH sector and cottage indus burden should be put on banks. Banks hesi tries, it would help us to become self-suffi tate in giving them assistance since whole cient and we would be able to compete with sale businessmen can give the bribe. But other countries. this class can't give the bribe. In this way some bungling is going on in the matter. Sir, Mr. Chairman, I do not have enough that it is a policy matter and there are some time to quote figures. I would request that we problems in it. On 10th September, gazetted ean increase production by promoting smaD and non-gazetted officials of Bihar Govern scale industries. The Congress Party had ment and teachers and come to stage a also promised to provide employment 0p dharna for the purpose of getting exemption portunities to unemployed persons. All the in income-tax. Some of our colleagues were Governments have been giving assurance saying exemption should be raised upto Rs. to remove unemployment. I am not insisting 48,000/- someone will demand exemption on providing jobs to unemployed persons. I upto 50,0001- also. Han. Finance Minister, is am insisting on getting the benefit of poten it not possible to link exemption limit of tiarlt)' of crores of youth. I am viewing the income tax with price rise. The limit of ex problem of the unemployment withthis angle. emption in income tax should increase in The capacity, skiD and inteUigence 01 the proportion to the price rise as the pension of youth are not being utilised in increasing the Central Government employees increases production and in the development of the automatically with the increase in prices. country. It is a national loss. In this regard,l Otherwise, there would be agitation and would urge upon the hon. FlIlance Minister strikes why should we allow time to be wasted to dwell upon it while giving a reply. Hit is not like this in and outside the House? It is not possible to provide employment, provided such a big issue. You fix the amount for the self-employment opportunities to the youth, purpose of income tax. The income tax whether they are educated or uneducated exemption limit will increase in proportion to with a view to enhance the production of the the price rise, automatically. The Govern country. They should be helped by providing ment, the country and the income-tax payers financial assistance and resources, so that w~1 not have to face this problem. Income we could utilise the manpower to increase tax advocates may suffer some loss. They production. I am taking about different types would be receiving less number of cases. of production. It may be in Punjab or Har yana or in Bengal. The people who came Mr. Chairman, in this regard I would like from Pakistan to Punjab were very poor. to say that some people of Bihar had come Now they have become miUionaires. This is on 10th September•• is not the matter an example for the whole country. I would concerning only Bihar, but it involves the request the hon. Fanance Minister that we whole country. There is one matter relating should introduce some model programmes to royally. On 3rd Seplember, aD the Com- 525 FIIUIIICB BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 526 munist M.LAs and M.Ps. of Bihar staged a should continue to grant the subsidy to them dharna. We people in the form of a delega also so that production may increase. There tion had met the Finance Minister and re are aU type of categories among them. Rich quested him that the mineral and coal pr0- persons are also there and there are exploit ducing states like Bihar, Orissa and Bengal ers also. Only after completing it, you should get royalty on these items on the basis of take further steps. weight and not on their value. The pace at which prices are increasing cause loss to Needless to say, that you have reduced these states, they are unable to make prog the price of kerosene after a demand was ress. You wiD not be able to pay so much of made from aU sections of the people. I think money. Therefore, I request that you fix the it is a great victory of the poor. Government royalty of coal on the basis of its value. Then has been compelled to withdraw the hike. So this problems wiD also be solved and the far as I remember, this is the first occasion Chief Minister will not have to go on hunger when the prices did not rise. They did not strike as was announced by him. Why do you increase rather the price of kerosene oil keep such matters pending to give chance to decreased. It was good but you have to think raise hue and cry in and outside the House about diesel also, which is used in buses and and to resort to agitation. Therefore, you also causing hike in bus-fares. The common fix the royalty on the basis of the value of the people travel by bus. They can' afford to commodities. There is also one important travel by car. Therefore, you have to think as aspect of freight The people living nearby to how to lessen the burden on the common the coal mines of Giriclih, Dha.,bad and Jharia people. You should give a statement regard gat the coal at the prices at which it is ing this while replying to this BiD. available to the people of distant place like Trivandrum etc. They have to suffer loss Today, we have problems before us like because of freight content in the prices. The those of small industries, labourers of sev backward states suffer loss on account of it. eral stratas, prica-rise. Keeping all these Therefore I would 6ke to request to consider things, in your mind you must take measure this issue also. I you consider it unjustified, that may yield some increase in the revenue. then you should accept it openly before the The workers have to be made partners in the country. management With this confidence, the mix9d economy has to be strengthened. On the Mr. Chairman, I have taken my time. basis of my experience. I would like to give Some relief measures have been discussed you here a warning that if you will keep both just now. This budget has given a severe the private sector and the public sector at the blow to the farmers as the subsidy on fertil same place, the public sedor can never izers has been removed tOtally. I think that it compete with the private sector, because has been opposed. Even Congressmen have due to this very reason, we had to resort for opposed it. It has been decided to continue nationalisation. Now without producing to give subsidy on fertlisers lor the marginal power, they make money by taking electric and smaU farmers. Soma' of our colleagues ity by illegal means from the public undertak remarked that we want to cause a rift among ings. Therefore, you must take those sector the farmers. But I am unable to understand under your control completely which you it. I understand that it has proved a great want and leave those which you do not want victory for the three-fourth of the farmers of It will not be proper to keep both the sectors the nation, it has proved the success of our under your control simultanously, whichever democratic pressure, but something has to sedor it may be. be done for those who have been left regard ing fertirlZers and it is necessary to do for Regarding the sales-tax, as perhaps increasing the production. You should en our colleagues have stated nothing on it. I courage the produdion of grains. The re would like to urge that you should levy a maining 20 to 25 farmers are rich, but you singte-point sales-tax. You start to levy a 527 FIfIIIIK» SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) Bill 528 [Sh. Bhogendra Jha] My requasl 10 the House and to the leaders of all parties would be atleast if we single-point sales-tax. If you levy sales-tax could finish the debate today. tomorrow the on several points, the states may have a Finance Minister wm reply and we could take grievance for all the time. Calcutate your up the consideration bf the BUI and also account for fave years or ten years. The Clause by Clause consideration because States must be given their portions in propor that itself would take sometime. Tomorrow tion to the increase in the realisation of sales being a Friday. we have Private Members' tax, so that the retailers may be saved. Business at 3.30.P.M. Normally, we do not Today, bribes instead of sale-tax is being sit after 6 o'clock and there is a lunch break realised from them. Even the one fourth of its also tomorrow. So, keeping alltha! in mind, money does not reach you. All the shop my request is that the House may sit late keepers have suffered severely and the tonight and if anybody wants a dinner, I con shopkeepers puts the burden of this on the organise that also.. But, we should complete head of the customer or the consumer. the debate today so far as the speakers are Therefore, if you are able to regulate single concerned and leave it for reply tomorrow point sales-tax, you should do it first. First, with voting. That is the most convenient way. you can roughly calculate it after that you can Otherwise, ultimately what happens is that finalise it. H you can give some relief to them the Finance Bill will go on and on and I do not in this way, you must do it. know when we will see the end of the discus sion. We are ready for reply even today itseH. If you do these, only then we would think I think this is the suggestion which I thought that you are taking some new steps. If not, is agreeable to Shri Jaswant Singh. we have to oppose your policy, the outlook you have, towards the affect on our national self-re6ance, public sector, surrending be SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Mr Deputy tore World Bank and I.M.F. and therefore, on Speaker, Sir I do not think the Han. Finance behalf of my party. I oppose this Finance Bill Minister'S reply to as important a Bill as the presented in its present form. Finance Bill can be ordered on the spot as the Han. Minister of State for Parliamentary 17.48 hr. Affairs has aid. There are a number of (MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] speakers stiU left. I have just consulted vari ous parties and found that there are very MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House many numbers of speakers that are stilileh, will now take up Halt-An-Hour discussion. who wish to contribute whatever they desire Shrimati Suseela Gopalanji. to this debate. Even if we sit till eight o'clock, it will not be possible practically to finish all SHRI JASWANT SINGH(Chittorgarh): the speeches. Then there are various amend Sir. I am on a point of order. Before you ments also. The whole procedural aspect is resume the discussion on Finance Bill. it there. The reply of the Finance Minister is not would be a matter of convenience for all the merely replying to an ordinary debate be Hon. Members, if it could be established as cause it is linked with the entire procedure of to when the Hon. Fmance Minister would like the passing of the Finance Bill. Then there to reply to this discussion and accordingly are various amendments and the movers of the House can decide tiD what time it has to those amendments, etc. So, with due regard sit today and till what time it will sit tomorrow. for the difficulties of the Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs - his is a very thankless THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE job, I realise that - I put it to him that I do not MINISTRY OF PARLlAMENTARY AFFAIRS think the debate can possibly conclude at AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS eight o'ciok today. TRY OF LAW. JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE KUMARAMANGALAM): (Dum Dum): It cannoL 529 Finance (No.2) BiI BHAORA 21, 1913 (SAKA) HaJf-an-hour Discussion 530 National Commission for women SHRI JASWANT SINGH: PersonaUy I wasting the time of the House. A Jot of this discussed it with some people could be done in the Chamber. Let the HaIf here •.• (lntem.ptbns). In fact.lthink it can be an-Hour discussion go on. We have the time that tomorrow before the Private Members' to discuss it and let us discuss it and sort it Business and after the Private Members' out amongst ourselves. And come to a con Business, for however long it takes, we sit clusion. Meanwhile, let the time be utilised and finally dispose of the Anance Bill tomor for the Half-an-Hour discussion effectively. row itself. The Private Members' Business willbefinished atsixo·cIock.Acertainamount MR.DEPUTY SPEAKER : May t re of disposal would take place of speakers quest Shrimati Suseela GopaJan to com before the Private Members' Business starts mence her Half-an-Hour discussion? at 3. 30 or 3.45, whatever it is, and after it finishes at six o'clock. It wiD be much neater and tidierto dispose of the Anance Bill in that fashion. That would be my submission. 17_54 hrs. SHRt RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION GALAM: There is also another problem, Sir. H tomorrow we are only going to take the National Commission for Women Finance Bill, then there are other Govern ment business also which are slated for (English) tomorrow. Keeping that in mind, we had agreed in the BAC that we have the BCCI discussion on Saturday morning. SHRIMATt SUSEELA GOPALAN (ChirayinkiJ): Sir, ,",aise to rise Half-an-Hour AN HON MEMBER: Not in the morning, discussion on the points arising out of the at three o'clock. answer given by the Minister of Human Resource Development on August 5,1991 SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN to Starred Question No_ 291 regarding Na GALAM: No, the discussion is supported to tional Commission for Women. start in the morning and finish by three o'clock. Now we can reverse thal Let us start the Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir .. at the outset, BCCI discussion also after four on Saturday I want to thank the Speaker. who has given and let us finish ... (lntem.ptions). May I some time in this tight schedule, besides the suggest that we discuss in the chamber agreed discussion on the atrocities on because there are complications overall. Let women. On August 5, to a question by Shri the Half-an-Hour discussion go on. We wiD mati Malini Bhattacharya about setting up of discuss it and sort it out. the National Women's Commission, a reply was given by the Govemment that decision SHRI JASWANT SINGH: No, we can has not been taken. This House has unani not. because we have to See the collective mously passed this BiD •.. (lntem.ptbns) interest of the House. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House SHRI BASUDEB ACHARlA: When can should not suffer for want of quorum and the we II in the chamber? ladies speaking should not feel that they are not cared for. So, care should be taken. You SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN can continue Suseelaji. GALAM: Now ... (lntem.plbns). SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: Sir, Sir, • we are going to start a debate on this House has unanimously passed the BiD the whole mod,. operandi of when reply for constituting a National Women's Com should be given, etc. In the House, we .... mission. II was the long-standing demand of 531 Hal-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12,1991 National Commission 532 Discussion forMHJJeIJ (Shrimali Suseela GopaIan) have also started throwing out women from the CHganised sector. They will be thrown the women's movement in the country thai a into the unorganised sector. That is the re National Women's Commission should be sult of this indiscriminate mechanisation and constituted for going into the various prob attitude adopted. Throwing women from lams of women.lntheyear1975 -which was whatever little employment they have got. is thelntemationalYearofWomen-thepartici becoming a regular feature. pants in the United Nations Conference suggested that all member-Govemments Many legislation are passed. But many should establish in their countries such na of them are not implemented. Some of the tionalcommissions,committeesandbureaus achievements are being taken away by retr0- to develop the status of women in the world. grade steps like the Muslim Women's' (Pro By the year 1985 many countries did set up tection of Rights and Divorce) Ad, 1986 and such commissions. Recently SAARC also some unwarranted sections in the Sati Pre hadcaDed on an member-countries toestab vention Ad, 1981 which have deep implica lish such commissions in this field. tions not only for women's side and to jus tice, equality and freedom but to the political We constituted the Status of Women's and social health of the nation. The result of Committee in 1975. But, within a year, that this is compromise with fundamentatism. Committee submitted its report and there ended the function of that Committee. A 18.00 hr. Women's Committee for seH employment was also constituted which too submitted its MR.DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Just a min report. That Committee was also for one ute. Is it the desire of the House that we year. No pennanent body was set up. The should sit for half-an-hour more? National Women's Committee was there. Shrimati Gaeta Mukherjee will be able to teD SEVERAl HON. MEMBERS: Yes. you in detail about the functions of that Committee. Adualytherewas no function at MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, an in that Commiltaa. Adually no effective Suseela;i, you continue. I just wanted to take step in any direction was taken to taka suit the permission of the House for extension of able slaps 10 develop the position of the time for this. women in the society. SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: We Sir, why are we asking for a Women's are witnessing the result of these compro Commission? Wa aI know the deplorable mises in our country today. We had compro condition of our women in India. 60.58 per mised with fundamentalism from aD sides. cent of them ..a illiterates. 90 per cent are WIth minority fundamentalism and majority working in the unorganised sedor. 65 per fundamentalism we compromised. We are cenl of pregnant women are eating mal aD witnessing the result today. Approximately nutrition food. One out of eighteen women 2,500 recommendations regarding women's die during the pregnaney. Infant mortafi1y is issues were made since Independence. also high at91. The sex ratio has come down There are extremely important recommen 10 929 women for 1,000 men. In 1981 the dations such as Ia Bhatt commission's ree Government was teling that we haV8 ommendalionon ...... mpIoymenIofwomen. achieved an improvement in the sex ratio; Several recommendations of the Law Com because sex ratio at thai time was 933 miIsion .. stiI remaining unnoticed. The women tor 1, 000 men. In the next ten years Status of women's Committee Report. 1975, • has come down to 929 for 1,000. What has not been implernent8d. The main rec does it mean? Atrocties on women are in ommendations was for I8ltIng up a National creasing. Sex determination ..... are going Women'. Commission. That aIIo ... not on unabated. New technological changes done by the cong,... Government. No ,... 533 Ha/f-an-hour BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) National Commission 534 Discussion for women view of the programme was made. It was study and say that none of these legislations wasta of money and time because it is not were implemented. This is the fata of many mandatory on the Government to accept the social legislations. What staps were taken to decision and implement it. The crucial ques see that thasa legislations ara implemented? tion is that it is the Government that is violat So, women's organisations unanimously ing the Constitutional guarantees given to passed a resolution to constitute a National women. Innumerable struggles were c0n Commission for Women with statutory pow ducted by women's organisations and put ers. All the women's organisations and the prolonged pres:. -e for the amendment of Social Welfare Board Chairmen were caIIad Dowry Prohibition Act and for constituting for a meeting to discuss the Perspective family courts. Because of pressure the Plan for Women. We discussed the Per Govemment was forced to pass some legis spective Plan, we have ourown reservations lation. But what happened afterwards? A on it Afterwards, in August, 1989,43 women's family court was meant to be established in organisations convened aconvention in Delhi every district with counselling centres. I would and passed a resolution requesting the like to know from the Government hew many Govemment to constitute the Women's courts have bean established. In 1984 the Commission, but no positive response was legislation was passed, but how many courts there. Finally, the National Front Govern are being established ?We have approached mentto brought a BiD with many lacunae and many State Government, but they are say flaws and the women's organisations pre ing there is no money because in every tested. As a laudable departure from the district they have to set up courts and there Congress Government's policy, the National is no money. They are not setting apart any Front Government re-discussed it with the amount for this purpose. Amount should be Women's organisations and changed iI allocated by the Planning Commission. So, substantialJy although some weaknesses are when pressure is put, you will pass legisla still there. But they were prepared to discuss tions. But in very few place family courts are with the women's organisations. Not only set up. One family court in the Capital will not that they discussed withtrade unions, youths serve any purpose and the amount sanc and so. on, they were prepared to discuss tioned for this is also very much inadequate. with everybody as to know hew the benefici That is the state of affairs. Why should we aries in this country are thinking and how pass a legislation then? they are feeling about these legislations. Actually, the Congress Govemment was About the Dowry Prohibition (Amend never willing to discuss with concerned or ment) Act, so much agitation was there. We ganisations So,after the discussions, the biB actually picketted the Parliament twice or on Women's commission iI was substan thrice and so much agitation was there for tially changed. I can tell you, this is the best the constitution of a Women's Commission. BUI ever passed in the world. h means that That was finally passed here, But where is this is the best Bill passed in the Third World the Dowry Prohibition Officer? Every district countries and the capitaist countries. I ex should have one Dowry prohibition Officer. clude socialist countries, because they have But did you make any effort? The State a separate system. This BiD was passed Governments are telling they have no money. unanimously in this House. Why are they What is the solution to this? And you are reluctant to inpiement it now? Not only thai; complaining that there is dowry death, har you have a suggestion to have a Women's assment and everything against women. But Rights Commissioner. In a country with so what is the purpose of the law passed? Law many languages, cultures and mulifarious was passed, but lhe Central Govarnmentdid other problems, will a Commissioner be able not take any initiative to implement this leg 10 tackle the problems of women in a proper islation. In 1984.1 said in this Pariamentthat way? Whan we taked tothe Minister, he was aa these legislations can be kept in the telling that they are trying to amalgamate archives for the future research students to both the Women's Commission as wei as ... 535 Hal-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 National Commission 536 Discussion forwomfJfl [Shrimati Suseela Gopalan) street forthe implementation of the law which is passed by this ParHament That is my the Women's Rightscommissioner .How is it request. It is very easy to implement this possible? It means that you want to put on all thing. The people from various walks of life powerful bureaucrat on the National Women's should be represented in the Commission Commission. There are forces within the and they should go into the various problems bureaucracy which are fighting against the of women as to how those problems should National Commission for Women. When this be tackled and how the various welfare laws Commission is constituted. Their work also are to be implemented. All these things should will be maintained it is going to monitor as to be done. how the Acts are implemented and how the Government is responding with regard to the I am very happy, Kumari Mamata Ban problems of women. They can demand rec erjee is there in the Government, on the ords from the departments. They can opine other side. As a Minister, she has to fight on them and give them to the Government within also. h is not only outside but within the with their opinion for correction. Now, there Government also you have to fight. We will is nobody to monitor it. Whatever violation is fight for the women's cause from outside. taking place, nobody can actually do any Otherwise this Commission will not come thing. Everything is happening every day. into existence. Government does not want Women are suffering so much and there is autonomous body. So,I request the Govern so much discrimination against women in ment to immediately constitute 6 National every wak of life. Sexual harassments are Commission for women with propers and being meted out to women in various sectors adequate money. That should be done. The where they are working. Who is there to future of the country is linked with the change monitor and check all these things? That is in women. Then only. there will be progress why, we suggested that there should be an in the country. Whatever deVelopmental autonomous body. But the Congress Party works you organise, without change among has objected to it. They want a Governmen the women, there would not be any prog tal body so that as usual, they can tackle ress. You are seeing that in every field. these things. But I teU you about the experi ence of the Third World 'countries and the With this, I request the Government to capitalist countries where commissions were positively react to the question of constitut set up without proper power and money this ing of National Commission for Women. resulted in failure. In very few countries, they have achieved some progress. For example, SHRI SUDHIR GIRI(Contai): Mr. Dep U.K., U.S.A., France and Scandinavia Even uty-Speaker, Sir,ljoin with Shrimati Suseela Pakistan has set up a Commissioner for Gopalan and the women fok of our country Women. But they did not give enough to express our deep concern for the r.egH powers, it was not an autonomous body. No gence of the welfare of women by the Gov money was given. Actually, in the initral emment. stage, with the passing of some legislation, like equal pay equal work. some little prog Due to the existence of feudal system ress was made. But again the women were for centuries in our country, the womenfolk very much demoralised by the functioning of have bee" denied the opportunilies and the Commission. Th~y were not happy. advantages which are due to them. So, the only solutiori to tackle these In this backdrop, various laws have been problems pertaining to the women is to passed by the Government at the Centre as constitute autonomous commission. That is wei as In the States. Various polley meas what_ are demanding. Once again. I appeal ures have been adopted by the Centre and to the Government not to force the women's the State Governments. But there is nobody organisations in the country to come to the to look after the machinery which is to Imple- 537 HaH-an-hour BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) National Commission 538 Discussion for women ment all the laws and policy resolutions. So, This has created doubts in our mind why there is a need and the need is great to such a Commission has been delayed and establish a National Commission for Women why they are dilly-dallying the implementa and not National Commissioner. tion of the Bill on National Commission on Women. In this backdrop, I want to point out that the Minister when he replied to the question So my very brief question is this: In this under discussion said that they have not background, when the weHare of women is decided to implement the provisions of the very much desired in our society, whether Bill for National Commission on Women the Parliament both male and female joint passed in this House. On this, a delegation together to have a National Commission on of women MPs met Mr. Arjun Singh and he Women to be set up. said that they are not opposed to implement ing the Bill on National Commission on My pointed question is: What are the Women. He pointed out that they are consid reasons for dilly-dallying the implementation ering how much they could harmonise the of the Bill which was already passed by this concept of Commissioner's Office with the .House? My next question to the Hon.Minister Commission on Women. is: Will she give a definite assurance that within a short span of time, the Bill will be The Minister for Women and Child implemented? These are my questions. Development has said that they have not decided as yet. The Bill on National Commis PROF. SAVITHRI LAKSHMANAN sion on Women was passed in this House (Mukundapuram): Sir, we, the women, are unanimously. Various women organisations contributors and partakers along with men and various organisations concerned with and are in the mainstream of national devel women's weHare had suggested various opment. I an sorry to say that it remains, so measures and those measures were included only on papers and files. We see the case of in the National Commission on Women. So Muthamma, Ameena Aneetha Chawan etc. the Government at that time supported the every other day in this country. There were Bill. Therefore,l think the Government run by Chief Ministers in this land who were justify Congress stands committee to implement ing or describing raping as a common phe the provisions of the Bill. nomenon just like drinking a cup of tea. When this comment was made by an ex MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We have to Chief Minister in Kerala when he was in close at 6. 30 PM. power, teenage boys used to comment on the girls by asking the question: Are you SHRI SUDHIR GIRl: To make my ques coming with me, to have a cup of tea? tion effective, I should made my background effective. SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN (Chirayinkil): This was corrected by the Chief The Government has confused the Minister himseH. concept of Commissioner's Office with the Commission on Women. This concept was PROF. SAVITHR! LAKSHMANAN:This discarded in 1988 when it was presented in is the condition of the poor women in our the National Perspective Plan. The 25th sovereign State. The Ameena's case was report of the UN on Status of Women and the well-discussed in this House. Some of the Report of the Committee on the Status of Hon. Members having children of the same Women in India recommended unanimously age of Ameena have expressed their deep that there shall be set up an autonomous and sorrow for not allowing Ameena to be looked statutory women's commission in our coun after by any women's organisation or individ try. Bu.t In the Congress manifesto, the con ual. I do appreciate this feeling. But it is cept of Commissioner's Office was revived. reported that a sixty-year old man Kheema 539 HaH-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 National Commission 540 Discussion for women [Prof. Savithari Lakshmanan) SHRIMATI MALIN I BHATTACHAR AYA: That Is all right. from a village in West Bengal bought a 12 year-old girl for As. 5000/- and married her. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Some of my friends may be interested in MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DE collecting the data and the political interests VELOPMENT (DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH of that particular person. But to me no matter AFFAIRS AND SPORTS AND THE DE who the man is. Let the man be from any PARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD party, caste or creed, he Is a human being DEVELOPMENT)(KUMARI MAMATABAN humiliating the girl child. It is reponed that ERJEE): Sir. instead of allowing haH-an this man is now under the police custody. But hour discussion. you should have allowed a the girl child has been admitted into a juve full discussion on this subject. nile centre, for what crime? In this panlc:ular case, the accused is not a foretgner, but he MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This sugges is an Indian. I never expected such a brutal tion is coming at the fag end of the hour. act from a so~alled revolutionary State like West Bengal.I narrated this story only to KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Eve express the sad condition of the women of rybody's intention is this. (Interruptions) India. [ Translation) Coming to my point I would like to know from the Hon. Minister whether the Govern KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Mr. ment have any plan to decentralise the Deputy Speaker. Sir. first I would like to powers of the National Commission for congratulate Han. Speaker. who has pro Women at the district level and at the grass vided the opponunity to discuss on this issue root level. That is atl I wahted to ask. in the House. I would like to congratulate Shrimati Suseela Gopalan. Sudhir Giri;i and Thank you. Savithri Lakshmanan for their good sugges tions. I too ponder several times over liter MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, I would acy. infant monality. atrocities which you request the Han. Minister to reply. have mentioned. I cannot daim that today atrocities in Hindustan are not being commit SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARAYA ted and ladies are not suffering from the (Jadavpur): May I seek a clarification? atrocities. I cannot claim so. But it is also not proper tp say that Government is sitting like MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Yes. a puppet and doing nothing in this regard. This is also not correct. Hith&no our Govem ment has not taken any decision relating to SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARYA: National Commission for Women. Why not? My question to the Government is: In what It dos not matte, whether It Is National ...... in your election manifesto you have Commission for Women or Office of Com talked about setting up of the Office of the missioner for Women. What matters is that Commissioner for Women's Rights? Even ourGov.,nmentlhould say lOmething about after the Bill On the National Commission for It. Weareallothinkingaboutlt.ltwUlbegood Women was passed in this House. it was not If a law Is formulated, • commission is ap inplemented. pointed in which the problems of woman may be lOWed. Il don not make any dlffe, MRDEPU1'Y-SPEAKER: Just a min ence wh8Iher It is the Issue of National ute. Marthe Minist.... reply '.ov.r, you can Commiuion tor Women, CommiHlon for just put any question. You may do It at that Women RIghts. But the maner II that the lime. It will be a new precedent. That is why laws we have and which the Parliament hu I am taRing you. passed. uveratsuch laws Ilke- Dowry Pro- 541 Half·an·hour BHADRA 21. 1913 (SAKA) National Commission 542 Discussion for women hlbition Ad. 1961. Immoral Traffic Preven· deliver a speech they must have a compul tion Ad. 1956. Individual Representative of sory subject. My submission to the political Women Prohibition Act. 1986. Commission leaders Is that they sh ·ould speak against on Sati Prevention Act, 1987. National the atrocities on women. I call upon the Commission of Women Ad which was noti leaders of the political parties to provide fied but yet to be implemented. the V.P. special protection to women. We are moving Singh Government too fell. but the act could towards twenty first century. but it Is very not be come into force even after the notifi distressing that our women are still being cation of the Ad. But this has not been treated as show pieces. Our women are in furnished tlJl now. Be sides these there are distress. They are not physically fit. As such many othar laws. Thara ara Hindu marriage they are being subjected to atrocities. m0- Act. 1955. Special MarriagaAct. 1954. Hindu lestations and rape. There should be no Succession Act. 1956. Hindu adoption of such thing. " India has to make progr.... Maintenance Act, 1956. There are so many women should be brought forward: If they Acts with us... (Interruptions)... Please let are left behind. India cannot make progress. me speak. There is need to be implemented Swami Vivekananda once said. (/nterTC.p these only. Law and order is a state-subject. tions) Its being a state-subject, the total responsi bility to implement the Ads rest on State SHRIMATI MALIN I BHATTACHARYA: Governments and Union territories. You should speak about the commission. (Interruptions) Swami VlVakananda had said I would like to request every member of that India cannot march ahead unless our the House to insist tha State Government as women are awakened. Women will have to to why they are not taking stringent meas· be brought forward If India wants to make ures to implemant those Bets. For this I want progress ..• (lntem.ptions) •.• 1 know what I to state: have to say. Even if you insist on me you would not succeed. We will do a thing what (English] we ara supposed to do. (Interruptions) Sometimes parties think that this matter does This is not alone a matter of U.P •• Rajasthan. not concem them, Our Gov.mment is think· Bengal. Tripura or any other State. It is ing for women and paying attention to them. related to every State. The Government In 1975 Mrs. Indira Gandhi constituted a should come forward to take stringent ac national commission on women. During the tion. At atrocities are on the increase. Are years 19n and 1989 the matt.r was widely the political panies not responsible for this? debated. But office of the commission could Of course, they are also responsible for this. not be set up. It takes time, but nothing concrete could be done Congr.ssm.n ,.. (Translation) main consistent to their words. They never back out of the sam •• Shri RafIY Gandhi Political atrocities are inflicted on women. during his tenure as Prime Minister left no Today, you may find It In three-four Stat •• I stone untumed to achieve the target. but do not want to make the debate controversial after thai eI.Jc:Iions were declared soon. (tIfer. to hurt anybody. But It Is a fact. our party Is tupIion$) not ruling in my States, but the party which is ruling there will torture. The party ruling In FlrSllisten to me. He could not do It due Tripura, will torture my party. In the other to eJections. Th.n Shri V.P. Singh's Govern State, my party will torture the other OM. m.nt also came to power. ("'t~) First of all. polltlcal atroc:ities should be ,.. duced. Leaders 01 all political parties and They also could not do .. the .'IId"'" their workers should think over the matter. were round the comer. Th. National Com They should .spouse the wom.n's cause. mission of Wom.n Ad was not applied In When political leaders and workers com. to Shah Bano case. Just think about It pi ..... 543 HaH-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 National Comm;ssion 544 Discussion forwomBn [Shrimati Malinl Bhaltr.:''' .. ryaJ stringently implement the laws for their pr0- tection. [English] [Ttanslation] The Government had introduced the Bill First of all we would set up commission for on National Commission for Women in the women rights I have also been trying for lok Sabha on 22.5.1990. The Bill was dis setting up of National Commissionforwornen. cussed in the monsoon session of the lok It is not a political issue for women. Sabha. in 1990. The BiR was debated on 8th August, 1990 and it was passed in lok Sabha on 9.8. 1990. (English] It was introduced in the Rajya Sabha on There should not be a partisan attitude in this 20.8.1990. It was debated in the Rajya Sabha maner. We are also interested in protecting on 22nd and 23rd of August, 1990. It was the rights of women. passed on 23rd August, 1990, by Rajya Sabha, It was a fact and the National Com [Translation] mission for Women AD.. 1990- No.20, was notified in the Gazette on 31.8.1990. How Now it is the discussion stage. When a ever, it has not been brought into force. legislation on National Commission for Women will be brought forward its responsi [ Translation] bilities will be specified. It has not yet been decided s to what would be the structure, the Our Government was formed only three function and organisation of the commission months back. Our manifesto stipulates that. for women rights. h would take some time. I would therefore, tell the Hon. Members. [English1 SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA(Bankura): The Commission on the status of women An act for this is already there. was set up by our Government. We have always believed that a special mechanism KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Ad is for pursuing and monitoring the rights of already there, but unless the law is enforced, women should be created. It is, with a view people won' get justice. to see that our party manifesto stipulates that the Office of the Commissioner for women's ONE HON. MEMBER: What is the way rights will be estabfished to defend the out for this? women's rights and for taking timely action, in case of atrocities on women, in the first KUMARIMAMATABANERJEE:There 365 days. is a way to do it. In the president's Addr... also, it had [Eng··14 been mentioned thai .. wiD take measur.. to enforce aD the legislations for women As you have asked the question I want which is already there in the Statute Book. to reply to it. As a first step we wil appoint a Commis sioner for Women rights for taking the r. quired action for effective enforcement of National Commisalon for Women wilt. women rights. I would likeJO assure the Han. only at the Central level. according to the Members that our Government will leave no Ad. Whet... Commiulofw for women atone unturned to ensure respect and dignity rights wit have 1he State branc::t.. ..., and of women citizens of our country and wi. dillrict level oHIoera wit help the women In 545 Half-an-hour BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) National Commission 546 Discussion for women the redressal of their grievan(;es. (lnferrup speeches alone. If proper implementation is tIons) not done, what Is use of setting up of com missions? A number or such commissions SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN: are already there. A large number of officials Commissions are already formed. It has work in these commissions. But it is of no use already beAn enforced in Kerala and in West when implementation is not done properly. Bengal, it is going to be passed. It is on the There should be a machinery to take care of anvit(lnterruptions) all these things. Then I would like to assure the Han. Members. (/nte"uptions) KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Please listen to me ... (/nte"uptiom;) .. [English] The matter is r.ow being politicallsed. Please MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: My request state why this was not done in the sevon to you is to let the Minister say what she month's period after the fall of Shri V.P. wants to say. Singh's GovArnment? There was enough time for this. It W83 not implemented even ( Interruptions) after the B!I! had been passed by the House. We came to power only three months back. ( Translation} A few days ~go 2-3 questions were put in this regard. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I would like to say that our department would eX1end (Eng/ish] evpry possible help to v.-omen. We want to I want to reply to the question raised by provide them legal protection, employment Suseelaji regarding family courts. The sub opportunities and also eX1end the aware ject of family c:ourts IS under the State Gov ness generation programmes to them. We ernment and under the Law and Justice are trying to help them through every pos Ministry. So far as my knowlede is sibl(> way. But as yet nothing has been concerned ... (/nterruptions)... You asked finalised about setting up of Commi~ion of about the Dowry Prohibition Act also. Humans Rights or National Commission of Women. Because, other Ministers, viz. the [ Trans#ation] Ministry of Law, the Health Ministry, the Department of Education and the Ministry of The august House passed the Dowry Agriculture are also involved in the process. Prohibition Ad. It is now for tMe State Gov So we can not take any decision now. I would ernments to implement it. I make a fervent like to assure you that after having mutual request to all the Han. Members to ensure consultations, we will definitely do some that State Governments pay more attention thing or the other for the development of to it. Women face employment problems. women. They do not get food. All of us should join hands if we want to give priority to rise the [English] standard of women. THE MINISTER OF 5TATE IN THE (English] MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE We need the cooperation of each and MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COM everybody so thai standard of women can be PANY AFFAIRS(SHRI RANGARAJAN raised. Otherwise, It will not be possible to KUMARAMANGALAM): I would like to dar raise their standard of living. (Interruptions) if, regarding the family courts. Now, under the Family Courts Ad, fortunately or unfortu [Translation] nately, it is provided that the State Govern ments are the ones which would take deci Nothing concrete Is achieved through these sion to set up family courts and to provide 547 Hal-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12.1991 National Commission 548 Discussion for women [Sh. Rangarajan Kumaraman.galam) definitely try to impress upon the High Court of Karala to allow the Govemment to set up infrastructure. When they Intimate. us, we the family courts In two or three or four notify it We have been requesting the States districts and lets the movement begin be 110 Intimate to us. Since this is a forum where cause this is in the interest of the people. all parties and all States are represented, I request you to take it up with your respective MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I permit Shrl State Govemments to impress upon them to matl Malini Bhattacharya, Shrimati Saroj kindly intimate the Central Government to Dubey and Shrimati Vasundhara Raje to ask notify. The moment they send us the intima some clarifications. as a special case. This tion. we are ready to do it. We have written to should not be treated as a precedent. them notonca but many time!' •We have sent many reminders to the State Govemments SHRIMATI MALINI BHA TIACHARYA: asking them to do it on a regular basis. It seems the Minister has made a distinction between the Commissioner'S Office and the SHRIMATJ SUSEELA GOPALAN: A/; National Commission on Women only in tually, we have approached the Kerala name as if there is no real difference. She Govemment on this question. They agreed has stated that whatever be the name, the to set up three family courts in three districts. work may continue. Hthis is her point of view. But the High Court said that in all the 14 then I would ask her to read the Act again. H districts, the family courts must be set up. I am right. later on she said that first of all they They have said that it will not be possible to would set up Commissioner's Office and allow the family courts only in three districts. later they would set up the Commission. If The real question is to find the money. This this Is so. then of course. she has distin is the issue that I raised to which the Minister guished between the two. So. in that case has not replied. You know that the State when an Ad. is there and when a simple Govemments will not be able to find so much notification is necessary to implement it. why money. So, my request is to set apart some is it necessary to set up a Commissioner's money in the Plan itself so that these social Office now and the National Commission legislations can be implemented aher they some time 18ter1 .apassed. Then 1would also like to ask that in the SHRJ RANGARAJAN KUMARAMAN National perspective Plan which was sub GAlAM: I welcome the suggestion. In fact, J mitted in 1988. there was a debate on that ~IYI8. have taken it up with the Planning and during that debate almost all the women Commission and asked them to provide some organisations rejected the idea of a commis amount in the Plan IlsaJffor administrative sioner's office for women and instead they justice especially where social causes are recommended a National Commission for involved. At. the same time let me ctarify thai Women, a statutory autonomous body. So. 1 it may not be necessary to .et apart a new would like to know why even after that the building or to establish new infrastructur •. In Govemment have again gone back to that the axisting district courts, it is possble to r.jaded idea of a commissioner's office carve out one court for the purposes of a Instead of having a National Commission family court. II has been done in other States which was unanimously passed. without incurring additional expenditura. FinaRy. since she has put 8 lot of ra- J understand the situation In Karala 3J)OftIbiJity on the Stat.. I would lik. to because the High Court has intimated that. suggett to her only that women's problems would Ike to Itart • on a toIaI Itate"""" are not Just law and ord.r problems which baIis.ln other ar.... where the High Courts the State can solve by instituting police Ie haw not Insisted on thil, they have HI up tion. • iI a much more important problem II the family courts in cer1ain are... Wa wi. a nationallavel W. are. of course, rec:om- 549 Half-an-hour BHADRA 21.1913 (SAKA) National Commission 550 Discussion for women mending decentralisation of State Commis Why I am worried? If something hap aions with district level branches. And. such pens in Tripura - if it is not a Congress ruled • State Commission can only function when State - the Opposition Members will shout. It is coordinated with a nationallevel.body. When it is a question of West Bengal. they will not say anything. It is not a matter of West So. I would like to have a response to Bengal or Tripura. We should not take these that. Sir. matters as matters that come under the State subject. When I am not in power. then KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Sir. let I will criticise. When they are not in power. me say at the outset that I have gone through they will criticise. That is why. we are going all the reports of National Commission for to establish the Office of the Commissioner Women and I have also seen the recommen of Women Right tor giving protection to dation to have the Commissionefs Office for women. women's right. Regarding National Commission for In 1989. when Shri Rajiv Gandhi was Women, the President has already stated in the Prime Minister, he initiated steps to set his Address that we are going to set up such up the Office of Commissioner for Women's Commission. (Interruptions) No decision has Right. 11 you give me at least one hour's time. yet been taken. I am not telling you that the I can read out all the proposals. matter is closed. The matter is not closed. (Inteffuptions) SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARYA: Sir. the agreed reoommendationofthedebate MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shrimati Saroj on the national perspective plan says that a Dubey. National Commission should be set up. [ Translation] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shall I make a suggestion to the Hon. Minister? Since, it SHRIMATI SAROJ DUBEY(Allahabad): is the fag end of the day, I request the Hon. Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, the Minister has Minister to call all the lady Members and been Irying 10 give a reply since long and has discuss the matter with them. related the miserable condition of women. I would like to know only this much as to why does nol Ihe Government give a straight KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Sir, I reply about the present position of State have already discussed this matter with the Women Commission in which had been lady Members of the House like Shrimati conslituted by the National Front Govem Geeta Mukherjee and others. ment in order to bring the women to the national mainstream by raising their social, I agree that it is an important problem economic and political status? I would fur and the Central Government should do ther like that the Hon. Minister should give a something in this regard. But, there are some clear cut reply about the Constitution of rules and regulations. Law and order is a National Women Commission. Will a Woman State subject. So, Central Government Commissioner be appointed? Please let me cannot interfere in any State matter. I re know whether the woman commissioner, quest Shrimati Malini 3hattacharya to recol· who will be a Government officer, will have Iect that when one lady named Anita Dewan the same powers as that of the Chairman of was brutally murdered il'\ West Bengal, so Women Commission. many reputed ladies went there to attend some function and they were also murdered. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also We asked for a CB I Inquiry but it was not held like to say that there are already a large because law and order is B State subject and number 01 ol!icers and bureaucrats who Central Govemment cannot int8l'fere in it. havw been appointed to ensure women's 551 Haf-an-hour SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 National Commission 552 Discussion for women (Shrimati Saroj Dubey) House and they tried more often than not to disturb the ladie&-whether It Is the Minister development in this country. Still, what are or lor that matt.r anybody .Is...... who are the reasons that innocent girls like Ameena worried about this. are being sold every day? girl like Sugrna are being t~ of th.ir dresses on the roads, So, there Ia no point In arguing further. Injustice is being done to women agricultural I think, all of us have to sit down and decide labourers. The condition of women is very about it. Why hair-splitting? Why do we say deplorable. If I go on relating the tortures our anything about the State Government or the women are being subjected to, our eyes will Central Govemment or the National Com be filled with tears. That is why I want to know mission? Let us come down to something about the safety of those suffering women. which is basic; let us do it soon. Are you Why does not the Hon. Minister give a straight prepared to do it and how soon will you do ia? reply? Why does she want to pass on this work of bringing awareness among women KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I have to officials? Why does not she announce the already told in what way we can do it from our constitution of National Women Commis Department, we are ready to do that. I have sion? already said, the name is not a matter. Wa have to 58e how we can help the women fok. [English] We are ready to do it as early as possible. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHARYA (Jhalawar): MR. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank (Berhampore): What are your difficulties you very much for giving me an opportunity about setting up a commission for women? to speak. Obviously. we are all very exercised about this issue. We have been exercised about it for the whole of this particular Ses THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sion. I do not want to make a lengthy speech MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS on this. AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY I would like to slice through the Whole AFFAIRS (SHRt RANGARAJAN thing. Since the issue is of such a burning KUMARAMANGALAM): I propose that we importance, since we are all worried about it, should sit upto eight 0' clock and conclude is it not necessary that we should come to the the discussion on the Finance Bill. conclusion quickly? You meet with the people and discuss with them. Aie you willing to sit MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There ara a down and give yourself a time bar within number of Hon. Members who want to taka which you wiD put up a framework which is part in the discussion on the Finance Bill. If going to take care of this slt\Jation? We are you all agree, we can sit upto eight o'clock not going to face this day~oday occurrence and do justice to the subject. There are Hon. whether it is in the House, whether it is Members who could not get a chance to outside to read it in the papers-because it speak in this Session. Therefore, my humbl. is extremely shameful. So, whether it is my request is that we should try to accommo Han. friend Shrimati Malini Bhattacharya date those Hon. Members also. Let every over here or Saroji or the Minister or myself Han. Member stick to five minutes only. It is or any Member oftha B.J.P. Ifealthat we ara no use going on ringing tha beU now and aJ worried about it. I think, even the male then. Members, when we started the discussion on atrocities on women or any such problem, SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf , find that there is a general hilaritY in the farpur): You make it upto 7.30 P.M. 553 Finance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 554 , MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shrl R. Now black money deposited in banks Jeevarathinam. attract income tax and it is combined with the inmmetax already paid by such black money hoIders.lnst8adof encouraging black money holders to deposit them in banks, this method 18.57 hr•• of taxation discourage them. Hehce I re quest the Hon'ble Finance Minister to treat FINANCE (NO.2) BIU-Contd. such accounts separately and to coiled taxes levied exclusively on them. [ Translation] 19.00 hr•• ·SHRI· R. JEEVARATHINAM (Ar akkonam) : Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, while The ceiling on taxable income remains welcoming and supporting the second FI to be twenty tow thousand rupees. The pres nance Bill moved by the Hon'ble Finance ent day prices and salaries if when taken in Minister, I would like to share some of my top consideration would suggest that even views for his kind consideration. ordinary people could earn easily AS.17501- or As.2000 a month. Middle class people are He has announced certain tax relief and the ones who are worst hit by the low income tax exemption on certain goods and com tax ceiling limit now. Hence I request the modities.1 welcome them. He has announced Hone'ble Finance Minister to raise liberally income tax exemption on deposits in Aural the income tax ceiling lim it to thirty thousand Land Mortgage Banks, Land Development rupees from existing twenty tow thousand Banks and Cooperative banks. I welcome ceiling limit. This kind gesture of the Finance the tax relief measures with particular refer Minister would benefit the salaried class at ence to this tax exemption to those who large. deposit in Aural Banks. I would also request the Finance Minis Likewise I heartily welcome excise duty ter to reconsider the slab rates method in the exemption given to beverages made of truit levying of income tax. Those who are in the pulp and fruit juices. Finance Minister has income bracket of two to three lakhs of announced excise duty reduction of As. 25 rupees find it fleecing to pay a tax to the tune from As. 300 levied on picture tubes of black of forty to sixty per cent of their income. This and white T.V. sets. The reduction to the taxation method appears to give rise to black tune of As. 25 may kindly be further reduced money. Our able Finance Minister should to As, 100 so that it could be really beneficial look into this problem in a right perspective. a relief from the budgetary proposal he made I would like to say that appropriate restruc earlier. turing would yield better results. In the pres ent circumstances revenues from wealth tax In order to bring out the black money, is not good enough. I would like to suggest Finance Minister has announced that there that wealth tax may be increased to augment may not be levying of fine on voluntary the revenue from this area. disclosure or investment in Aural Housing Schemes. I would welcome this and would There is yet another way to bring out like to cite an earlier instance. When Mr. R. black money. Even our Finance Minister has Venkatraman was our Finance Minister, he announced in his Budget speech that invest took efforts to bring out black money through ment deposits made in Aural Housing Loan the issuance of 'Bearer Bonds'. I request the banks will be exempted from income tax. Let preseni Finance Minister to reconsider the me request the Finance Minister to extend feasibility of that earlier scheme. this concession to urban housing too. In -Translations of the speech originally delivered in Tamil. 555 F~ SEPTEMBER 12, 1"1 (No.2) BHI 556 [Sh. R. Jeevarathinamj quest the AnanceMinial.rto look in1D this.a earty as he can. When there are 10 many urban areas several bigger houses and many public sector indu.tries involving 10 many ordinary houses are coming up. Rise in such cror. of rupees breathe hard to continue construction aaivitie! would only help bring- their existence. we should not be very enthu. ing out the bIacIc mOnBY. This would even siastlc about inviting foreign Investors to run help us solving the problem of dwelling units their industries. When Mr. N.D. Tiwari was shortage 'aced by the country. I request the our Finance Minister in Mr. Rajiv Gandhi's Finance Minister to consider extending this cabinet, he set up a Committee 10 explore facility 10 urban housing c:onslrudion too. ways to revive the sick units. I would request This would benefit us to solve tow problems the present Finance Minister to call for that at one stroke. Finance Minister has an report and reconsider the feasibility of imple nounced several schemes and measures in menting its proposals. I fervently appeal to his budget proposals. One instant of which is the Government to find some way or the the increased tax on petrol and petroleum other to put an end to this predicament. products. Petrol is used even by ordinary people. Those who own autorickshaws, There are many nationalised banks scooters and hired cars are not well to do. spread over the country. I would like to insist May be those who own Benz cars and such upon the Government that their branch of big cars are affluents Petrol Price hike af fices should be opened in every block. fects middle class and ordinary people at large. Hence I humbly request the Finance Government servants are extended loan M:nister to give thought to this and consider facilities to go in for construction of houses. reducing the tax on petrol and petroleum I would request the Government to provide products. this facility to the public also. Housing loans can be given to the members of public too In a way that would cause d:sgraceto us against proper security. all, in our Tamil Nadu, world renowned Na tionalleader RajivGandhl was slained by the I would like to draw the atlention of the assassins of some terrorist organisation with Government to the frequent strikes resorted a wide net-work. Brutally murdered late Shri to by bank men. Our efficient Finance Minis Rajiv Gandhi had rendered invaluable serv ter and officials in his Ministry should evolve iceto this country andtothecauseof human a solution to solve their problems and steer ism and humanity. Hence I request the Fi clear the grievance of the bank employees nance Ministerto issue coin in inthe denomi once and for all. Their condition should be nations of twenty rupees, ten rupees and five improved in such a way that there is no rupees embossing his image on them to occurrence of bankmen strike anymore. commemorate the great leader's memory. I would like to emphasize the need to Banking service operations have in revitalise th& sick units. Of course I have creased man~old. Hence I would request the brought this to the notice of the Finance Finance Minister to open Regional Offices in Minister in the Finance consultative Commit almost all the District capitals. Building ma tee too. He has told me that steps In this terials like iron and cement are costing more. direction would betaken up once when urgent Prices of several other goods and commodi steps to attend to the present Financial crisis ties are also soaring up. We have stated in are taken. I raised a question in the House our Election Manifesto that we would bring and has got a reply from the Minister for down prices. We said we would roll back the Industry about the sick units in the country. Prices. If not bringing them down atieast we He has stated thatlakhs of crores of rupees should put it under check. Our abie Finance had been invested in about two hundred Minister and Industry Minister should take units which have been declared sick. Ire- effedive steps under the leadership of our 557 FInance BHADRA 21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 558 Prim. Minister to check the prices form Sir. you are aware that the purchasing lOarlng high further. power of a rupee has gone down, lot of inflation is there. Right at the moment, the It is during National Front rule there was inflation rate is 15.5. per cent and the predic a steep price increase. The seed sown so tions are that the inflation rate may go up to that time Is yet to be weeded out. So I would 20 per cent. In view of this fact. I request the request our dynamic Finance Minister to Finance Mioister to consider the plight of the curb price rise if rolling them back is not middle income group people, who are genu possible now. inely submitting the returns. The salaried class people have on other option but to Illustrious Shri T.T. Krishnamacharifrom declare their income. Kinldly enhance the the southern India was once our Finance Income-tax exemption limit to As. 30. 000 Minister. He had rendered a remarkable from the present level of Rs. 22, 000/- or Service during his strint as a Union Finance whatever my be the amount that would take Minister. Able Finance Ministers like R.K. care of the inflation rate, the price rise and Shanmugam Chettiar from Tamil Nadu, Mr. the purchasing power of a rupee. I suggest to John Mathews from Kerala have all contrib the Government to bring down the tax rates uted their mite as Finance Ministers in the because not only in our country but all over union cabinets, I wish and I would like to see the world, it has been found that the reduc the present Finance Minister achieve more tion in the income-tax rates have brought and carve a niche for himself in the economic more revenue to the Government. history of this country. Fiscal balancing, Financial stability, steady income growth, Tax collection will definitely increase; stable politico-economic structure should be black money would reduce and get channel ensured under his able stewardship. ised into the more productive sectors. So, in this connection, I have a suggestion for the Sir, I thank again the Chairfor extending consideration of the Hen. Finance Minister me ::':1 opportunity to express my views on to bring down the rates of income taxes (i) the second Finance Bill submitted by the above Rs. 30000/-to Rs.50000!- it may be Government in this august House. around 20 per cent; (ii) between As.saOOO/ to Rs. 100000/- it may be 25 per cent; (iii) [English] between Rs. 1 OOOOO/-to 200000/- it may be 30 per cent; and (i v) above As. 2000001- it may be 40 per cent. I suggest the Finance SHAI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO Minister to examine this. VADDE(Vijayawada): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I have the Highest respect to the Finance It is really a wonder why this interest tax Minister as an eminent economist. Though I @ 3 per cent of interest received by all credit do not subscribe to some of t1Is views, I do institutions, banks, financial institutions, it is not question his sincerity or his commitment being introduced now again. Earlier. it was to improve the economy of our country. introduced in 1974, as the Hon. Finance Minister has stated in his Budget Speech. It I have some suggestions to make in was withdrawn in 1978 and again introduced respect of the Finance Bill. in 1980, withdrawn in 1985 and now again introduced. I wonder what prompted the Sir, the Government has proposed to Government to take this decision. This is give amnesty top very big people, who have going to affect the trade and small scale got lot of black money. And two schemes industries. Of course, I congratulate the Hon. have been proposed giving them lot of bene Finance Minister. Yesterday. he brought fit. But I wonder as to why the Finance some amendments to earlier proposals Minister was not so kind towards the salaried where he has exempted Cooperative Agri class people. to the middle income people. cultural credit Societias,the Land Develop- 559 Finance SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) Bill 560 [Sh. Sobhanadreeswara Rao VaddeJ years. We have good monsoon and we have good crops, but you have not withdrawn the ment Banks and the Land Mortgage Banks sur-charge. Then, the GuH crisis came. Again from the Purview of this present amend you have enhanced it to 12 per cent, but still ment. It is but natural also because he has it continues even afterthe GuH war. So, there said that these banks and financial institu is no rational In Q)ntinuation of the sur tions including cooperative societies are charge on this corporate taxes. So, I request under the Banking Regulation Ad. But. my the Finance Minister to consider that and information is that the banking Regulation remove that. Ac1 does not cover both the land Mortgage Bank and the land Development Bank. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please con Anyway. I sincerely express my thanks for clude as there are many Hon. Members who that. want to speak. Regarding providing tax deduction at SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO source on interest accrued over Rs. 25. 00/ VADDE: If the Government is really sincere - this is going to psychologically affect many to bring down the black money-it is esti people who save their income and deposit in matee! that every year almost nearly forty the banks. They may not come forward so thousand crores of rupees are added to the enthusiastically as they hitherto are coming. black money pool if they have really some This provision may also be again reconsid definite idea to cut the circulation of black ered and and withdrawn. money, why don't they demonetise the five hundred rupee notes? Why don't they take I wonder why the Government is so that decision? So many crorepatis are there harsh towards this interest on tax papers having tons of money with them. At least to refund issue. Some time back it was 15 per some extent the Government can definitely cent in respect of both the interest on the bring down that black money. amount to be paid in the Government as well as the amount to be given from the Govern Regarding Schedule III to rule 12 of the ment to the tax payers by way of refund. But. Wealth-tax Act, the Government has pro later on it was enhanced to 24 per cent and pose one amendment. They are not justified 18 per cent respectively. Now. you have got in respect of this one also. Earlier it was that 18 per cent. still six per cent less. what introduced in 1958 but withdrawn in 1960. is the rationale. I do not understand. When Again it was brought in 1981 but the draft the tax payer is due to the Government you rules did not see the light of the day. Again in are charging 24 per cent and when the 1986. draft rules were published but the Government is to give back some money to proposal was withdrawn. Again through the tax payers who has paid the excess, he Direst Tax laws (Amendment) Bill. 1988. it is proposed to be paid only at 18 per cent. I was passed' in this House but after some certainly feel that this is a definite item which time, the then Finance Minister, Shri S.B. has to be taken care of by the Finance Chavan, had withdrawn that. I will quote only Minister. two sentences from what hw ais on that day. In the Memorandum you have said· it is Regarding the rules for determning the a pleasure for simplification and Rationalisa value of assets, as provided in Schedule III tion-. This reduction, that means omit1ing of to the Wealth-tax Ac1, regarding the manner the words haH per cent, I wonder what is the in which the value of an unquoted equity simplification or rationalisation you are pro share in the investment company is to be posing to achieve by way of omitting lhose determined. he admitted: ·Such a method of words. The sur-charge on corporate tax Valuation will be administratively very cum earlier Wa'S introduced during the drought bersome and the cost of compliance would period. The drought was over after three be very great. Apart from that. a shareholder 561 Finance BHADRA21,1913 (SAKA) (No.2) Bill 562 of an investment company has no control not implemented. I urge upon the Finance over the disposal of the shares of the com Minister to seriously think about this pro pany and, therefore, unrealised gain, if any posal and bring forward this NACRF be of the investment company is of no mnse cause without that the farmers in coastal quence to the shareholder. Keeping in view Andhra, coastal Orissa, coastal Tamil Nadu this hardship, I propose to amend rule 12 of or West Bengal are going to suffer a lot Schedule III to the Wealth-tax Act, 1957 to because especially during the harvesting provide that the difficulties of the nature periods, the cyclone and the tidal waves are expressed in the matter of Valuation of shares causing iot of damage and the backbone of of investment companies are remedied- It farmers in those areas is being broken. was drawn in 1989. Unless you come forward with such a pro posal, the farmers have no safety. Four times it was withdrawn. What prompted the Government to bring it again in Regarding the issue of licences for sugar this Bill? I request the H han. Finance Minis fadories, I suggest to the Government that ter to kindly think over and withdraw that. Andhra Pradesh has got a lot of potential; but somehow its due share was denied by the At least for the time. being you do not PI 'vious governments. I suggest to the give it eHed and before the next budget you Government that keeping in view the high kindly discuss that with all concerned people sucrose corn syrup latest technology inno and come forward with a new proposal in the vation, they may see that the integrated units next budget. manufacturing sugar, paper and otherthings are issued licences. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Rao, kindly excuse me. if the timings are not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Rao, properly regularised ... shalll call the next Member to speak? kindly conclude. It is too much. ( Interruptions) SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO VADDE: Sir, I am concluding. VADDE: I am making only suggestions, Sir. I am the first speaker from my party. I will not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There should take much time. be a uniform rule for everybody. Kindly conclude. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You should be more sympathetic to the next speaker SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO also. You are a senior man. VADDE: Sir, regarding sugar and other inte grated units, I request you to kindly give SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO preference for them and give more licences VADDE: I assure you, Sir, I will not take for sugar fadories in our State. much time, though I have many point to make. I am not going to speak about certain Sir, regarding the interest rebate to things. farm sector, I submit that in our State of Andhra Pradesh, earlier our Telugu Oesam Sir, in his Budget Speech on 29th Feb Government gave a rebate of 5112 per cent ruary, 1988, the then Union Finance Minister to the farmers who paid back their due instal had announced that a National Agricultural ments in time. It had really given very good Credit Relief Fund would be sal up to help results. More farmers got loans and the the farmers affected by natural calamities. amount disbursed increased three fold. The Somehow, though the Committee under the farmers were give the loans. I ant sure that Chairmanship of Shri P. Tripalhi, Additional this will definitely improve the economic Secretary gave recommendations but it was discipline. I suggest to the Government to SEPTEMBER 12, 1991 (No. 2) SRI 564 [Sh. Sobhanadraeswara Reo Vadde) hon. Minister of Finance has tried to made in our economy. One thing Is very clear from take steps in this regard for as that would the Finance Bill and the Budget that our improve the racovery of loans from farmers. national economy has been completely ru Ined by the experiments we made on nation Finally, I appeal to the Government and allsatlon. public sector Industries, etc, dur to the hon. Finance Minister to examine this Ing the last 40 years. The han. Minister of fact that whether the step-motherly treat Finance has acknowledged the above posi ment of the Union Govemment, till now, tion in the present Budget and the Finance toY.·3rdS the agricultural sector Is respon Bnl and made an effort to allow free enter sible for the poverty that is continuing in our prise in trade and industry and give freedom country. There is lot of unemployment in the to the private sector. rural areas and also under-employment. All this is merely because of lack of adequate MR. OEPUTY SPEAKER, Sir, I do not investment made in the agricultural sector like to go Into this philosophy. But one thing by the successive governments all these is certain that all the countries Including the years. I would like to say that except in the frontline communist countries of the world years 19n-78 and 1987-79 when Janata have come to the conclusion that their last Government was there, almost the invest 50-60 years experiment has completely ru ment in agriculture - both public and private ined their economy. sectors- has been coming down. because of which we would not realise full potential in SHRI BHOGENDRAJHA (Madhubanl): agricultural production. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, no communist country has ever claimed that there was I would urge upon the Finance Minister communism anywhere in the world. Com to kindly-! am again repeating my appeal, munism has never been the future goal of before I conclude-thlnk over again on the any country. One may call it self as a commu matter of fertiliser prices. It is going to cause nist Government or socialistic set up, but no lot of hard ship to the farmers. I appeal to the one has ever made a claim for communism. Government not to take it as a prestige issue. You kindly reduce it to the level of SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Mr. Dep increase by 5 or 7 or maximum 10 per cent uty Speaker, Sir, now that situation hu increase. Otherwise the farmers are going come. We will need long hours H we atart to suffer very much. And also the agricultural discussion on communism and socialism. Production in this country Is going to suffer. But whatever philosophy that one may like to I submit that it is against the national Inter call II whether Ills socialism or philosophy of est I once again appeal to the Government Lenin , Mars or Stalin or whatever experi to kindly re-think on that luue and bring ments. We made, whether it was the case of down the prices of fertiliMfs to the farmers. nationalisation or anything else, I am not J would like to mention that those farmers going to delve on their merits or demerits. whom you are thinking as rich farmers are But it Is certain that the hon. Minister of not really so and most of them are only Finance has made this effort this time by middle or lower middle level farmers. admitting the failure of the aforesaid experi ments. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the hDn. Thank you for the opportunity given to Minister has made various provisions In the me. Budget, in the national policy and the Fi nance Bil atter admitting thelbove taBure. I [ Translation) would like to draw the attention of the .ugull Hou .. 1IoWard, • point which hu been SHRI GUMAN MAL LOOHA (Pail): Mr. raised by others also. The point II that the Deputy Speaker, air there hu been a mixed salaried daM, the derks, the cIuIlV em relICtion to the wideepre.s changes that our ploy... of the Government.... the most 565 Rnance BHADRA 21, 1913 (SAKA) (No.2) BI71 568 luffering lot. I havedatas of minimum wag... incurred by him on the medical treatment in An unskilled worker in Punjab who carries the Hospital. If he goes to some private IOU on his head and works In heat, cold and institution for medical treatment he will him rains falls within the purview of Income tax se" have to bear all the expenses, that the payment as the exemption limit still remains Govemment should take care of it. As at Re. 22,000. It is a very fundamental thing. regards the interest accruing more then Rs. They should pay attention to it and raise 2500 bank deposit being taxable, I would exemption Ilmitof Incometaxfrom Re. 22,000 like to state that this provision also hits the to Rs. 48,000 as has been demanded by paid employees and common men. The Bank hon. Members from cross sections of the officials would have already told you thatthls House. The hon. Minister of Finance said provision would adversely affect the bank that the existing limit cannot be exceeded deposits and it will cause a great loss instead and we should be grateful to him for this. of gains, because the bank deposits may Hon. Minister of Finance, it is not a question come to an end. The Govemment must of being grateful or not, the question is that consider it seriously. This limit should be bye-elections for 18-20 constituencies are raised to ten thousand instead of 2500. round the corner. The salaried class, whether he is a clerk, or a labourer, has been a In regard to restaurants, it has been depressed lot due to devaluation of cur stated that there would be 15% tax if two rency, rise in prices and increase in the rate toilets are there, as if providing two toilets is of inflation by 15 per cent. As compared to a sin. I do not understand whether the 1984-85 price level, the inflation has gone taxation of 15% has anything to do with the up by 80 per cent. As such the limit has toilets. Try to convince in your reply. Much reached Rs. 48,000 automatically. The has been said about the Corporate Sector. Government should accept this hard reality The term Corporate Economy has been and enhance the exemption limit of income refereed, to this time, in industrial policy and tax to Rs.48,OOO. " they do so, it will be a now in Finance Bill also. I would like that the public we "are work. " the Govemment is Government should not make any kind of bent upon the limit of Rs.22,ooo, its conse interference in the Corporate Autonomy as quences will prove disastrous for the Gov well as in the Corporate e Sector in this ernment when the peop!e would reply through country. There are Financial Institutions in ballots. Then the Govemment would realise the Corporate Sector. Those financial insti that it was a historic blunder on their part. tutions should have the freedom to work according to the needs of the situation. Our Mr. Speaker: Sir, while making yet colleagues criticized that there is no mention another submission, I would like that certain of land reforms in the budget as well as in provisions made by the Government in the the Finance Bill and they refer to West Finance Bill may please be re-considered by Bengal in this regard and claim that Land them. For instance, you have allowed re Reforms Laws are being implemented in demption of Rs. 5000 for an employee and West Bengal efficiently. " it is SO, we must Rs. 5000 for his family for the medical also accept it without any objection. I went treatment. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, unfortu to Calcutta and saw the deplorable condition nately if he become the victim of some of poors. They have no cloths to wear, no lerious disease like cancer or T.B. and if a food to eat and no shoes to put on and even major operation is needed for some other then they are working like an ox. They are diseases etc; what he will do in this meagre pulling carts on which men are riding. Such amount of Re. 5000: • situation is prevailing allover the country even today. With regard to the price index, If he goea to the Tata Institute, Bombay and the minimum wages, one of the hon. for treatment as per provision, he would nor Members has suggested that the exemp be entitled for any advance though he would tion limit of Income tax should be raised to not have to pay .ny tax on the expenditure As. 27,000 from Rs. 22,0001- and It should 567 Finance SEPTEMBER 12. 1991 (No.2) BUI 568 [Sh. Gumanmal LodhaJ that the G.N.P. growth rate which was likely to be increased by 4% will now be only 3%. be linked with the consumers' price index in The inflation has Increased by 15% and it is the same manner as the minimum wage is likely to increased further by 20% during this linked with the workman. You need not do year, and the price index has also recorded anything after this. In this way, Government a maximum increase during this year and need not do any kind of exercise at the time particularly during this month. If the prices of Budget. This suggestion should be ac of 1981-82 be considered as the base price, cepted. Much has been said about the it has reached to 207.7. After the presenta Financial Institution and banks. There is no tion of Budget, there is almost 5.9% in doubt that there are lot of scandals in crease in prices during these two months. banking institutions. Almost 70-80 percent The price rise was almost half during the banks are involved in such scandals. Big corresponding period of the last year when business and industrial houses are misus it was alleged that the Government was ing the banks by taking loans from the banks, unstable, and the political instability was but they deposit their amount in fix deposit or there. That is why I would like to state that keep their amount in lookers. Normally the there are so many reasons for this price rise. loans taken by these big houses are not repaid and are waived of in connivance with First, there is no possibility of any in the Bank Officials. Our Finance Minister who crease in production; secondly, unproduc had been holding the highest post in the tive expenditure is going up day by day and Reserve Bank, should formulate schemes as a result of it the value of money is going to check the exploitation of the poor people down constantly. There is no likelihood of from such scandals and the common people any improvement in Industry and Agricul may take advantage of these institutions. ture, unemployment is also increasing. In Time and again you are ringing the bell. I such a circumstances how can the Govern have submitted some suggestions and I ment overcome the problem of inflation. would conclude after giving one more There is no clear indication in the Budget as suggestion. In Indian, there is no tax or well as in the Finance Bill regarding these interest being imposed on common jewel problems. critizing the prOvisions of the lers who sale jewellery. In 1986, you have Finance Bill, I would like to urge the hon. made a very troublesome prOVision in the Finance Minister that he should consider law. If the transaction of jewellery comes my suggestions. under the definition of foreign exchange regulation Act, it would be very inconvenient According to the Reserve Bank of India, for both the sellers and the purchasers of there is only 4% of growth in Agriculture and jewellery and there will be no benefit to the none is going to increase it further. Basically Government. the improvement in agriculture depends upon monsoon and fertilizers. Fertilizer is In order to simplify the law, the Govern the vital part of agriculture. Without realising ment should rationalise it so that people may the reality of some newspaper men he tried take advantage of it. to win applause that Kulak lobby will be encouraged. How much will they get and Thanks for providing me time for my what is the number? Along-with that as there speech. is a likelihood of increase in the procurement price, although there is no possibility of in SHRI MOHAN SINGH (Dearia): Mr. crease in the production of foodgrains, the Oeputy Speaker, Sir, first I want to thank you prices of foodstuffs are constantly going up. for giving me an opportunity to speak. The So the price index too win go up automati drawbacks of the Budget presented by the cally. The maximum c:ontrl:Mion to the hon. Anance Minister hal come in forefront. surplus foodgrains stock is from the mar The Reserve Bank started giving warning ginal and small farmers and they have been BHADRA 21. 1913 (SNCA) (No. 2) Bill 570 _ ...... _ bf war 01 rile in the price 01 Secondly, I wou¥ say that petrol is the 1IrtiIz81S. ThaI..... I .., thai 1ha dual mast heavy buRIen on our country and its palcyolf...... is,,-able. UniDnn- biggest cansum. is the Government. Wdh ily is 10 be mainlained in this case. Ideal die increase in the price of petlOl, the ~ poley would be thal1ha revision in the ductiveexpendilureolthe Govemmentgoes pricasol1ha fertlizars be _hdr_1I and if up auIDmaIicaIIy. A cammill_ should be l is nal possible IMIIDnnily should be tanned which .. see as to which class of mainIained.. He should reduce the price 01 people can get Government vehicle and 1ha fertilizels to 1ha ...... he was ax-c:heq CDiW8pI1C8ID use. I baive thai if aU this is uar bf war 01 giving 1ha COliC II • Hi iI would ..ie.ed properly. vehicles of nearly 70 per banafil al1ha agricuIbriJIs 0I1ha CDUIIby canI 01 the oJIicers would have to be and1his way iI WDUId be ...... CDIIIrIIU wIhdI.... and if should be dane. The Gov- tionlD the ~ 01 agricuIIn in 1ha 8rI1In8N has ~ increased the CDiII1by. price 01 people and decreased the price of MIosene. I cadt demand that the price of karosane should also be increased but the Mr. 0epuIy Spa... Sir, aIangwiIh 1his impact 01 rise in petrol prices is being real I would 1M 10 say thai there is no IimiI 0I1ha ised by the people in farflung areas. Diesel expenses by' the GovemmenL A clsaossian is costing 2.5 times more than the price of should be held in our caunIry 10 gillethe real k8IOS8I 18 and petrol is mating 2.5 times daIiniIiDn of V.LP. in • cIamacrar.y But Incia more than the price of diesel. Adulteration is and how much amaunl 01 money should be made tosuchanextenlthatal the pumping ~ontheir securly?Yesterday,."_ sets and tradors used in the viHages are pnasentad bfyou in which il was medioned going our 01 order. Therefore. the price of 1haI Rs. 4.70 aunt would be spanI on Ihe paIroI should be reduced so that this type securily of a parson which you caIed a peay of aduIIeraIion at viIage IevaI can be pre amount. We were opposing thai. and you wNed .:dded Itv_ mora II) I. The GovemmenI ...... is conIinuausIJ increasing in Fourthly. these people do not have this poor CDi.W1Iry. There was. Prime Minis SOUR:8S. Sir, in our counby we have jewel .... I .Sh. Mohan Singh) eral schemes. But Sir. I am apprahensive thai vary soon the,., would be only foreign to the financial righls of State and Cen1r8 industrialists in the country. You shall have has come up Md most of the Chief Ie) consider this problem seriously. Ministers are threatening of revoII in the name of autonomy. F"1f'Ianc8 Minister should Since there is limited time. I would like to seriously consider this prabIem. The Gov give only one more suggestion. You hav. ernment is actively considering to impose announced many concessions. But in this ban on overdraft. II should be done. I am not very month in my state Uttar Pradesh and against l. But theCenlralGovemmentshould other states excise duty has been imposed seriously considerthequestiDn of increasing on wooden panels and doors which are the sources of income of Stales in order to made by poor carpenters in villages. Cueto cany out the development works by them. this the poor and ordinary people of the The structure of sales tax varies from State Vlltages are facing problems. AI the minor to State. Under its cover. commodities from artisans of the villages such as a carpenter one state are smuggled to other stale. A and bIack-smith etc. are facing a problem. conference of state Finance Minist81S may OffICers and Inspectors from the concemed be held to sort out this problem and the department visit them and say that a new Central Government should suggest to set excise duty has been imposed on their up a machinery to bring a kind of uniformity prodUCIs which is 110 be paid by them. Out of in the rates of the sales tax in all the states. tear they are closing down their shops and In many states the local bodies also impose running away. You shall have to consider octroi. In most of the states the octroi has this point aI80 as to why in the States a poor been abolished and it is stiI in vogue in man belonging to the weaker section of the some states. A conference should be held in like society is being Taxed like this. After d order to bring out uniformity in this regard what is the jusllicationof imposing any exciH also. Thirdly. the most important thing is duty on them. that of royally on minerals to the states where it is avaIabIe. When1her8wasagre_ Fourthly. in brief. I would like 110 say th_ hue and cry on rurally on coal a nominal as a resu. of inflation and price-rise in es increase was made wh_ is the attiIude of sentiaJ commocflties and increase in price 1he Central Government about the other index, the income of the people belonging to minerals. The rates of rurally to the Stat.. thafixedincome group has declined. Ther. should be revised proportionately 10 the tore. the Central Government and the hon. market ,... of a mineral The Central Fruance Minister should Ibtraly re-consider GoVernment8hould not be apprehensive in 10 increase the exemption Imit of Income this context.' ~ do not do IhaI I wnuId lax for an the employees of the Central and clearly say I.,... c:nNdI disconl...... Stat. Government among ..... and theN can be confronta tion b8lween the centre and stales on ac F'1MIIy. I would like to say one thing count oftheirflnancial raources.1l WO&Idbe monaaboul thec:enlre and state relationship diffICUlt to awid I. which was left out. You had nationalised the banks .. cornMrled them iIm offICial finan AB the same. I wouId"to ask the horL cial inIIluliana. The end. Deposit ratio of Finance Minister _ to where do we want to these banks is find byGovemment but this take our country 1tuough 1M 5 year plans. nIIiD II decIning In financially t.dMard w. do not know anything about your ., called liberal schemes and capitalist 0ri -. ented scheme and other IChemes. ShrI Mum Oeora was saying In the momingthat 11...... the industrialists of the world would be attracted towards India becaUM of the lib- ISHRI RAM NAII<: In"" CINIij BtWlRA 21. 1913 (SAKA) (No. 2) Bill 574 1head ..... l'IIIiDof..,.-. ...., the Budget prcoasals. These have which ..advallclldllam induIIriII paint cI indeed gttfen a hope 01 a tum around. view and ... good ...... condliDIe 'The taxation proposals have some which is mont .,.,miIIIIan ...... ""'''''''''--u, ,...... and imparIarll ...... There are some ....iol,lS ...... a ~ in til house fixing a .... to"'_ the black money such a particular ...... cllM ..... S8Iring lie"'_' 8Cheme and the expenditure dapasiIs in ..indueIriaIIJ HdiJMd .... 1aL -rt.a has been a map emphasis an ...... Orissa.t-.".....targiving_ dRd .... and no sector of economy has a loan to ...... cI ...... tarsalling been unduIr _lid. CUIIIIome du'.ies have up induItriIs 8Ic.. I .... to .., thai the been raliana.ad'" have been ~ht ~ ...... ,cansiderto down Ia 150 ~.... uniformly. We have illlCl...... crediI IIIIIia in .... bar:.k..-d also nat giNn inIa any demand Ia bring it ...... ofthcaunlry. Mr. ~ Sir. will down to _law _ 30 percert. There is also these ...... I ..... you and no ilCl'aa.. in 1he laXas of individual tax conclude my...-:h- paJ8IS. And also 1he,_ feature or a new llllllhadofvaluationfor shares tor the wealth Wl CHAIWAN: Shri 0.:. Fernan tax purpose is a ..leoma step. The Budgal des. has also rwersad the tread for growing ti8caI d8ficiIs. And there is hope that we may indeed be able to contain the fiscal data to 6.5 per cenl 01 the GOP. I.R CHAIWAN: No. it is the tum cI .. han. Member flam the Congress pa1y. WiIh althese paposaIs, care has been takentosaethal inflation iscantainedwlhin AN.. HON. MEMBER: WhaI wit u.., nNISOItabIe IimIs. These proposals have say. Iat·s speak. been widely hailed .. the most pragmatic SlIpS to mast_the currant economiccrisis (~) and .., dasarve whaIa-hearted support. I came to the pnMsions tor the c0rpo rate saca. Three fMior sleps have been announced. First isthe six per can .increase 1&,IIsh) in the rate aftaxalian. AIhough this has hurl the corporaI8 sedDr. yat everyone has to SHRI PRITHVIRAJ D. CHAVAN sacriice. And I am sura with the new (Karad): ..... Chairman. Sir I rise to support IndusIriaI Policy. U. corporate sedor wi. the Fmance Bit which seeb 10 give effect have same respite. to the taxation proposals prasanI..t ... the Budget. The seccnd fact is the increased cost 01 crediI and the tighI money. And the thPd is The axbemely dlfcul Balance of Pay the ~uction in the deprecation allowance ments position and the mounting fiscal and from 33 per cent 10 25 per cenl. That is one revenue deficiIs had left us lillie option bLC proposaI.lfearwilhurtandcurbthe gllM1h. to take scme htnh da::isioIlS. Same have modemisatian and expansion of industries. already started a..ing resuIs.. We had two I naaIy raquesl1he Fmance Minister k) ra successive months of trade surplus. 'The CDlISider1hispmposalbecatase many ec0no FinMce..... has V8IJ skiIIuIy ..... mists have predicted stagnation and irila- aged to gMt a bald and decisivedir8ctian to 1ian. This .. have a very negative impact lie 8COIeamy br takirV - maiar policy on the employment pasIion. inIiIIiwes beginning will trade reforms tal IIDwed br ...... InduIIriaI Policy and Ii- Therehesbeen unfortunalety. not many .. 575 rltfStfC8 SEPTEMBER 12.1991 (No. 2) _ 578' [Sh. Prithvira; D. Chavan) the differential rata of interest forthla priority sector. Incentives given for promoting industrialisa tion. There are some happy proposals and The deduction of tax at SOUIW on 1rUr I welcome the step for fifty per cent deduc est income ttMt limit of As. 2, 500 is going to tion of profits derived for hotels In hilly areas. hurt very-badly. This wi have serious reper I request that similar incentives should be cussions on the banking and it wiD tremen given to all industries coming up in the hilly dously Incraase the paper work, requiring a areas. In spite of the various fiscal incen substantial payment of over-time. Small and tives given, hilly areas have not been indus medium depositors wiH withdraw and spilt trialised and as such there is a heavy rush or up their amount into smaller amounts, par people from the hilly areas to metropolitan ticularly In the rural areas. May deposlDrs cities particularly from my area. We have to are pensioners, women,widow,semi-Iit. give lot more incentives for industries to ates, living in rural and urban areas and come up in hilly areas. I request the Finance middle class people who have trans!erable Ministerto extend the benefits he has given jobs. In my area, even a Hamaal, who works to the hotels to any industries coming in the in Bombay, if' able to eam something like notified hilly areas. Rs.25,OOO and he wiD also be put to a great inconvenience, because of this tax. There I am also very happy about the incen fore, I request the Finance M;nister to in tives given to book publshing industries. crease the limit, if not upto As. 10,000 but to This'should also be extended to corporate at least Rs. 5,000. It is in a way, bringing the bodies which publish text books on technical tax on the agricuhural income, through the subjects. back door. A lot of small agricultura~ists In my ares, and I am sure every where else This interest tax is an ·on-again, oft also, are not rich farmers. There is nothing again· provision which has been re-intro like a rich farmers. It is really a contradiction duced for the third time. Although the FI in terms. There are some farmers who are nance Minister has classified it as a direct rich. But they are rich not because of farming tax yet in reality it is an indirect tax. It will but because they have got some ~. push up the cost of bank and institutional industrial background, particularly In my area. credit, which really is an input cost and it will they have cooperative sugar industries, and be Inflationary. In the past, it had Increased you may call it sugar lobby. Act-..I8I1y • is the the paper work tremendously; it had brought profits from the industry and not from f.,. in over-tim. culture in the banks and made ingalone. The rich farmersarethose peope., banks more Inefficient. I hope that with the who are openly flouting the land reforms and increased computerisation in the banks, this having a large benarni holdings. So, please time, it will not lead to the past experience. do not think that there is anything like a rich farmer. I request you to kindly reconsiderthe The interest tax together with regime of limit of Rs. 2,500 and increase the limit at flexible interest rates, which has been intro least to Rs. 5,000. duced sometime back. have clearly in creased the cost of credit to a very high limit. MR CHAIRMAN: Please conclude now. This has particularly, hit hard the small scale industry very adversely. The very survival of SHRI PRITHVlRAJ D. CHAVAN: The the small scale Industries is at stake. There Finance Minister has simplified the expendi fore, I request the han. Finance Minister to ture tax in some way. The expenditure tax exclude the small scale sector, they being which was brought in 1987, was a highly highly employment generating industry, from successful measure, because it was appli the effect of this flexible interest rates and cable to a few luxury hotels. It yielded good to continue loan inter.·fates as before for rev.nu~ bJa.JIJ9I1ey-and • was the" small scale industries. Please continue not inflationary. It was very easy to coIect. BHADRA 21. 1913 (&AKA) (No. 2} BlI 578 • did not require any additional expenditure MR. CHAIRMAN (SHRI RAM NAlt<): on coIIac:tion. But. this time, you have cast a Thera is a proposal with me. While going, vary wide nat. You are going to require a the han.Deputy Speaker has prepared a huge army 0( inspacbrs and clerks to ad list. He has listed two names and if the minister this tax. This tax, 0( course, is a House agrees they can speak and then we welcome measure nut it has to be simplified can conclude to that extent. further. SHRI RAM KAPSE: No, 1'10. w. wi. MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly c:oncIude now. speak tDmonuw. SHRI PRrTHVIRA.lD.CHAVAN:lhave one mora request. This tax can be made THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE applicable from 1 at AprI. of neXlyear and noI MINISTRYOFPARlIAMENTARYAFFAIRS immecflately because you win have to take a AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS whole new infrastructure to collect this tax. TRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY I have one last point about the Amnesty. AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN One can understand the keenness of the KUMARAMANGAlAM): I have no ~ Government to use the resources in the tion. (lnterruptbns) parallelaconomy. But the suocess of various scheme announced is doubtful Particularly, MR. CHAIRMAN: Prof. Ram Ganesh the NRI gift scheme will just give rise to Kapsa can speak now. hawaJa transactions. Because of this scheme, very little money will come into the (/ntem.ptions) National Housing Bank, because of the 40 per cent difference. Instead, some Gold MR. CHAIRMAN: I am just going by the Import Schema trom the NRIs should be list which has been prepared by the Deputy seriously considered. Overthe last 25 years, Speaker. as many as 21 schemes to unearth black money have been oft8l8d and every new SHRI K.P. REOOAIAH YADAV: My scheme was in incentive to tax evaders. suggestion is this. When my namewascalled, I was not present here. In conclusion Sir. many friends have pleaded for higher exemption limit for per MR. CHAIRMAN: That is why, you lose sonal taxation. I know about the fixed in your chance. But we wit accommodate you cOme 01 the salaried people, who are being tDmonow definlely. I some member is noI crushed underthe burden of inflation. in fact, present at the time of caDing his name, the Finance Minister has nat increased the then •.• '1I8Ximum marginal tax rate and the most important thing is that h. has offered to reduce it to 45 per cent in the next few years (*,t~) provided he and his Govemment is aUowed to stay in power. MR. CHAIRMAN: That is why I am suggesting that let Prof. Kapsa Slart and I Wdhthesewords,lconcIudemyspeec:h. the House agrees, then we can have one more speaker. Mr. Reddaiah, )IOU wi get (iJtem.piJns) yow tum tomorrow. I the Houa does noI agree, then I camot ~ it. SHRI K.P. REDDAIAH YADAV (M& chiipatnam): Sufficient lime should be given SHRI RAM KAPSE: Mr. Chairman Sir, to oIher Members to apeak. Only then, the in the post-Budget Pt'8SSbriafing, which was hon. rlnance Minister can reply to the. de given by the bon. rln8llC8 MiniIIer, he had bate. namdad the abjecIs for prill." the (67tempbns) BudgIiL 579 F",.,.,. 1'ha first was ...... wIh human tbr... House ...... face second was encouragemenI to ...... 11111 AU 1Dmonaw. nomic growth and the third was that the BudgeI should be norHnIIaIionary. MR. CHAIRMAN: PRlf. KIIa. you may The LDIc SIIbha ".,. ~1Ined" a.-. carDwe your speech tomorrow as • is 8 01 ... CIDc:Ir on Friday. 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