LET’S “TALK” WITH SAYER JI! 3 EXPERT TALK TRANSCRIPTS from HEALTHMEANS CONTENTS

Enjoy learning from these expert Transcending the Detox/ We’re happy that you’re taking talk transcripts pulled Retox Cycle through time to learn about living a from the thousands of talks Radical Nourishment healthier and happier life, and we in our HealthMeans library! Deanna Minich, PhD, CNS, IFMCP hope you’ll make us a regular part with Sayer Ji of that journey! If you’re already a member of Click here to watch this interview! HealthMeans, you can access From the entire HealthMeans the video interviews of these Evidence-Based Medicine team, thank you for downloading talks below: Proves the Power of the these transcripts—we hope you If you’re not yet a member, Mind and Soul learn a lot from them! Alicia Lynn Diaz, MA, AHP be sure to sign up to access with Sayer Ji these interviews! Click here to watch this interview!

Food as Medicine Carrie Diulus, MD and Mark Hyman, MD with Sayer Ji Click here to watch this interview! Transcending the Detox/ Retox Cycle through Radical Nourishment Deanna Minich, PhD, CNS, IFMCP with Sayer Ji Click here to watch this interview! The purpose of this presentation is to convey information. It is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your condition or to be a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional.

Dr. Minich: Hello, everyone! This different things. You mentioned to Dr. Minich: So GreenMedInfo came is Deanna Minich, host of The me that your father’s a toxicologist. about in 2008. So what was the Detox Summit. And today we have You’re really involved with health. catalyst? What finally brought you a very special guest. His name is You’re really interested in GMOs. to the point of thinking, “I need to Sayer Ji. And for those of you who I’d like to just hear a little bit more make a website which gives this don’t know Sayer, he’s an author, about you as a person, and just information out to people?” What educator, advisory board member to hear more about your path. So was it that was the catalyst? of the National Health Federation, maybe you can tell us your story. the steering committee member Sayer: Well, it was just the of the Global GMO-Free Coalition, Sayer: Okay. Well, I believe that fortunate experience of having and the founder of the world’s most I was drawn into these sorts of been introduced to MEDLINE. The widely referenced, evidence-based, topics—natural health, and even National Library of Medicine has natural health resource of its kind. the issues associated with toxicity— this massive sea of data, as you And that website is GreenMedInfo. because of personal experiences know. I love Google in the sense com. And that was founded in very young. I was rather sickly as of being able to just type into the 2008 in order to provide the world an infant. And it was throughout global brain a keyword and find an open access evidence-based maybe really most early childhood almost anything relevant. It really is resource supporting natural and and adolescence, that I came to remarkable. integrative modalities. experience of the dark side of conventional medicine. And yet So really when you look at the global First of all, Sayer, welcome. Thanks through time I had to deal with the brain as the Internet, MEDLINE is just for being part of The Detox Summit. process of accepting, as well, that that convolution in the brain that’s to identify really solid evidence of dedicated to biomedicine. And all Sayer: It’s an honor. Thank you for ways that I can heal myself, and these peer-reviewed and citations having me. then also, of course try to provide are available, largely through those tools to others. taxpayer money. So it’s really Dr. Minich: I always get questions something we provide ourselves. from people about what are the So GreenMedInfo is really just sort But most people don’t know about go-to sites of where they should go of a natural consequence of my it. So when I saw this ocean of data for credible, reputable information. own personal struggle. Many of us and spent time diving in, finding And I love your site. I just learned who get into this it’s very much a these clinical pearls, many of which about your site earlier this year. personal transformative experience are indexed on our site now, I was And I’m so pleased to have found it. that brings us to really wanting to just amazed that, yes, there is so share it with others. And so really much support for yoga and natural Sayer: Thank you. that had become my path and medicine and almost any modality mission, really for the past ten you can think of. Dr. Minich: So it’s quite incredible years. I’ve really focused on trying to to pull together all of those accumulate that research that has Twenty-three million citations resources, and to be able to offer helped me, and then disseminate it represent approximately twenty- that to people. So why don’t you as widely as possible. three million years of scientific tell us a bit. You’re doing lots of labor. So just when you look at the scale of the data, and you can just are a purveyor of the literature… or devolution, which is that we hone in with the new algorithms And I would call you a literature are now slathering chemicals available, it just was so amazing. So hound, people that are really with all over ourselves, taking them I felt like, “Wow! I need to try and their nose in the book in the virtual therapeutically. Every aspect of our index this—It’s there already—and books of science. What are some life now is filled with them. And then just put it out on open access of trends that you’re noticing as it that’s why I believe your summit is because that’s what it’s about, relates to the toxicity of our planet? so important, Deanna, because for anyway. It’s free data. What are you seeing emerging? some time myself I’ve been thinking What are some of the aspects that about why isn’t someone focusing Dr. Minich: And you make in such people should be aware of that on this particular issue? It’s so a way that it’s very accessible to the maybe they’re not on the pulse of? important. average consumer, right? Because many scientists use PubMed in Sayer: Great question. Well most So what we want to do, of course, order to get information. But people really don’t realize that is reveal the problem in high relief. it’s really not for everybody. So modern medical practice in the And it’s rather disarming and you’ve taken that information drug-based model is actually a form disillusioning. But it doesn’t have and distilled it into these nuggets of applied chemistry in ways. So to be disempowering because a where people can actually utilize really what I mean is that you have lot of my own work is finding that it and understand what people this massive global petrochemical research that shows we can use are researching and all of those industrial complex. It’s a trillion foods and probiotics and certain scientific abstracts. dollar plus system. And it’s so types of spiritual practices to interesting because actually a lot overcome what almost appears like Sayer: Yeah, we try. That’s for of its product is actually just fueled a post- apocalyptic situation. sure. So the core data set is really back into itself. just these twenty- three thousand You can’t take back radioisotopes abstracts that are indexed across So this self-organized entity is that are released into our ailments. So you have thirty-one based on, again, fossil fuels. But environment. Plutonium has a hundred ailments from A to Z. So part of it—its subsector—is what is half-life of 24,000 years. In fact, real simple. And then once they get known as fine chemicals, which are uranium 238, which is one of the to, say, diabetes type II, they can then fed as sort of feedstock into fallouts from basic nuclear power further breakdown the substances the pharmaceutical industry. And industries, as well as Chernobyl associated from A to Z or, say, the then those chemicals are tested. and Fukushima, has a half-life problem substances because that is And they are targeted to basically as old as this earth. So you can’t what we’ll talk about, of course. disrupt certain processes in the recall back these. And then you body, i.e. poison. have biopollution with genetic Pesticide exposure has been shown manipulation, which is irrevocable. to induce insulin resistance. So it’s And some of them say if it causes not just people being hedonistic a sleepy side effect, are then And so you have this situation and eating too much. Most of us remarketed as having a therapeutic where we can’t undo what we’ve are being poisoned in a way that effect for sleep, even though on done. And yet we’re holding expresses itself as these diseases. average there are at least seventy- together. The miracle is that we So the idea then definitely is to try five documented adverse health are still whole and we’re alive. to simplify data access so you don’t effects per chemical. And most of us are almost kind of get lost in the sea of data. But we almost healthy still. It’s just amazing also encourage people to go back to So the whole notion that somehow in that respect. So that speaks to that sea and be aware that it exists this is medicine or somehow something really beautiful about as this national treasure house that related to stimulating self-healing the fact that we are constructed in of most people aren’t aware of. So is really quite sad because it’s not this way, as you know, of course, part of our mission is actually to about that. In fact, most of the because your focus is so scientific pass through us and get back to the common medical practice today and spiritual. I’m sure you could free resource just so people know is suppressing chemical poisoning add to that. it’s there. with further chemicals. Dr. Minich: I don’t know if I can Dr. Minich: That’s wonderful. I think So the overarching theme is that add anything to the beauty of what it’s an incredible resource, again. we are you living in a completely you just said and really unravel to So I’m kind of curious. Since you new phase of human evolution all of us and what I’m picking up is really this message of hope and produce literally millions of new is the fundamental fatal flaw of inspiration. So really understanding novel chemical compounds. conventional toxicology, which is and being realistic about the facts, And somehow our body was the assumption that our bodies are but then realizing that we can do preordained, pre-constructed sort of a biofilter, and that the dose something about it. to have the cytochrome P450 makes the poison. So the old model enzyme systems that are capable was completely ignorant of thing I think before we get into the area of breaking down and eliminating— like endocrine disruption, where the of moving into doing something well, eliminating, primarily—these lower concentration of a chemical about it, I would like to take with chemicals that didn’t exist when compound, the higher its ability to you, if I could, a little bit of a those mechanisms evolved over disrupt and/or mimic a hormone. philosophical journey into the past millions of years. because we can learn so much And this is something we’ve recently about the future from history, So I just don’t know exactly found with glyphosate, which is the right? So if we kind of look back, what that means. But it’s very primary constituent of Roundup what do you think Sayer is part of encouraging in certain respects herbicide, is that in the parts per the reason? How did we get to this that in many ways this is a phase trillion concentration range it place of being so toxic? What was we’re going through that’s already exhibits an estrogenic, carcinogenic it? What were kind of the lynchpins? designed to be that way. But I property that wouldn’t be present And what was it throughout our guess it’s about really rediscovering if there was a higher concentration, evolution and throughout our ancient healing technologies and which would just strictly be society? And what was happening? the power of the body, as well cytotoxic. It would just kill. How did we get to this point in the as using the science to, in ways, 21st century that now we have to confirm and further amplify those The same is true for our discovery have a summit focused on toxicity? powers that are built within us. of low-dose radio isotope What do you think here? But the question’s so profound, I accumulation in the body. The old would have to spend a few days risk model was based on really Sayer: What an amazing question! just thinking about it to have an an atomic bomb blast survivors, Well, I would almost say our articulate answer. where there is an external doses modern situation is being caused gamma radiation across a certain by things like yoga deficiency, right? Dr. Minich: I think you gave a very amount of tissue. And they’re I really think when it comes to articulate response. And it really finding that very low amounts cancer, it’s deficiency of vegetables does make me think of probably of uranium 238, which is used in and fruits, right? And of course it’s what our listeners have in mind, depleted uranium munitions now, much more complex. which is you mentioned that et cetera—there’s dust all over the through evolution and through the world because of it—or plutonium. But really that loss of times that we’ve evolved with these Just one little plutonium atom is connectedness to just the earth enzymes that we have in our bodies enough to cause cancer. itself has developed into sort of in order to cope with these toxins. the mass insanity when it comes to There’s a number of mechanisms our relationships with our bodies And many people say, “Well, we that they’ve identified. But the and our world. The most sacred of don’t need to detoxify because idea is that it is exponentially all things is water. It’s the primary our bodies already have these greater toxicity associated either constituent of our body. And the systems in place.” So how do you a lower particle size—so this way we treat the environment and address that? You’ve been alluding applies to nanotechnology, as the amount of poison we’re pouring to the fact that our bodies are very well—take nanoparticle titanium in daily is just so unconscionable. resilient. They’re very adaptable. dioxide in sunscreen, and it’s So don’t you think that we’re doing far more harmful because it can So, yes, such a profound question fairly well? Like you mentioned, get right through the pores and you’re asking. I have to say, though, we’re surviving. And some of us start actually activating nuclear I am always amazed that when are pretty healthy. So do you think programs within the cell. And I think about the detoxification were okay with the detoxification then, of course, again endocrine systems that are body was pre- systems that we have in our bodies disrupters, which are primarily constructed to have previous to currently? petrochemical based, BPA, etc. as the industrial revolution, which well as, of course, radio isotopes. is around the 1890s is when Sayer: That’s the best question it all began. And we started to you could have asked, exactly. This And again all of our risk assessments were based on the earlier on? Why aren’t we all getting you they just mentioned there—and concept that you had to take cancer? me being a nutrition professional animals and kill fifty percent with hearing you say things like kimchi a chemical. And then from there Sayer: I like Andrew Lloyd Wright. and apple pectin can do things you deduce an acceptable level of He said something like, “I believe that maybe our body can’t do so harm for humans based on the in God. But I call it nature.” That’s efficiently—are you suggesting that body weight difference. So because the proof of God’s or of this infinite part of the solution might come we didn’t see all these dead bodies intelligence of benevolence because from food? around us, we assumed that all of there is no reason why knowing these chemicals were safe: release what we know that we should all Sayer: Yes. Food to me is the most them into the environment. Put even be feeling a semblance of our sacred of all words on some level them in your food. own humanity in certain respects, because we our food. And food like even being conscious because is life. And it’s also a profoundly And now half a century or more it’s that omnipresent. dense source of information, later we’re discovering that this which is something that I think epidemic of disease, especially The air and rain samples recently is over looked. So when you do things like cancer, is really being performed in the Midwest showed things to food like irradiated it caused by these chemicals. So, that most contain glyphosate in with ionizing radiation, you’ve yes, that question so important. physiologically relevant conditions. destroyed such a complex set The old model of toxicology has You can’t even escape it. We’re of packets of information upon been completely disproven. And breathing it in daily. If you were which our genetic and epigenetic needs to be revised to favor of the doing assays of our teeth, you’d find infrastructure depend. So when precautionary principle, which as all types of uranium or plutonium we start understanding what food we talked about earlier really is the signatures from nuclear weapons really is and that it’s life in that return of the principle of no injury testing. respect, then, yes, that is actually or sort of a Buddhist concept back the answer. into this the system. So that is a great question. When I started to look more into this issue, There’s not a single cell in the Dr. Minich: Well said. Again, I really I focused on indexing research on body—Andrew Saul said this—that like to wax philosophic with you the adverse effects of bisphenol is composed of a chemical. So why here because there are so many and even radioisotopes. And you would we even think to expose angles we can go after. I guess find the studies that show post ourselves or intentionally take a something that came to mind for Chernobyl, they took apple pectin. “therapeutic chemical” or put it me as I was just listening to you was And they saved literally hundreds of in our food or injected it into our if it’s really about a low dose can thousands of children from certain bodies knowing that fundamental have such an exorbitant effect— accelerated premature death fact? And we’re in a unique and in some worlds we call that a because of its ability to basically pull situation. In a way it’s sort of post- xenohormetic effect, where just a out those radioisotopes. Or taking apocalyptic in the sense of is there small amount has amplified effect… kimchi bacteria— the beneficial really anything called “organic” bacteria—and showing that it anymore? So I’m just curious. So why doesn’t can break down these persistent everybody get cancer then? Or why organic pollutant pesticides, which Our bodies are so part of the don’t we all get some kind chronic our own bodies don’t have the environment. There’s no difference. disease pretty early because genetic or enzyme capability to do. We can’t do anything out there isn’t it sounds like so many things going to directly affect our bodies. that we are encountering in our So as we become more familiar So it’s really important that we environment, we can’t really go a with symbiosis and this network reconnect to the meaning of food day really without having this kind of trillions of cells that constitute and know where it comes from and of exposure right? our meta-organism, we’re starting understand soil quality and all the to understand how powerful these connected factors for sure. Sayer: Yes. Yes. natural processes are and how they protect us on a moment-to-moment Dr. Minich: So I’m curious about Dr. Minich: We’ll talk about what basis. So, yeah. It’s a really good what you eat and how you take we can do about it. But I’m just question. precautions in the way of food in curious, why don’t we all form order to ensure that you’re reducing some type of chronic disease much Dr. Minich: One of the things that your toxin load. So can you give the listeners some ideas as to what all the things you don’t want by running experience this morning they could do in your everyday life eating carbohydrates. with a dolphin there to, which with food? Maybe some things that was just amazing. So I know it’s a you currently do, since you’re such People do project their fears of blessed life right now. But we also a walk-the-talk person, right? You mortality into their food because have the terrible red tide that can are right there in it, very authentic. it’s one of the only things we can accost you at any moment. So I’m sure that you’ve adopted control, is what we are eating or not practices with food that have been eating. In fact, even their religious So then I come back and I usually very beneficial. issues and aspirations get projected have, believe it or not, I do a little into their food as you know better whey isolate right after the workout. Sayer: Yeah, I actually recently than anyone I’m sure. Just to make sure I can continue on started to re-explore intermittent my day without muscle soreness. fasting. And I think that could be a But I do try to eat one meal that’s No casein in it. Again, I don’t know gendered aspects to this, almost a very sort of standard meal. But I’m how healthy this sounds. I don’t eat little chauvinistic. And also I’m type fortunate because in Southwest often until maybe twelve or one. I’ll O blood, if it’s relevant. Florida we have a one hundred have macadamia nuts or avocado percent organic restaurant called or a green drink of some type. There are certain things about my Food and Thought. It’s also a store. So right now food hasn’t been so diet now…I like to start my day off And they have a raw meal that they much of my focus as just yoga and really by doing exercise. And I find make that tastes amazing. And they running and things like that. that if I’m using good quality fats— do all organic, so as far as organic coconut oil, for example—I think can protect me. I hope that helps. Dr. Minich: Hmm. Well, maybe my metabolism has really flipped you can talk about that, too, towards using fats as a primary Dr. Minich: Oh, no, that’s great. because there are many ways to fuel source. This is consistent with Well, I was hoping you could take detox, right? And so one of them is certain approaches out there. Dr. us a little bit even more into your through sweat, in through activity, McCullough is also someone at day. Are there certain things that and getting at circulation the work with, who has given me some you make sure that you eat every lymphatics moving. And I’d also like really good information that I’ve day? Or just give us a little bit for you to talk about yoga and your employed that have been helpful more of a lens into a Sayer day. practice there, and perhaps even to me. And your waking up. What are you more of the spiritual approach and eating for breakfast? What are you looking at all of the other aspects But I do try to balance that out very eating for lunch? If you’re doing of toxins. So are these just physical high quality, as far as I can ensure, intermittent fasting, is that twelve toxins? Or can we also take in high-nutrient, low-carbohydrate. hours overnight? Or just tell a little psychological toxins? How do we I know it sounds ridiculous… bit about what you do in a way. get rid of those? Things like kale and eating a whole avocado when I’m hungry. I don’t Sayer: Generally I wake and I have Sayer: Really good question. try to eat the sort of standard, coffee with honey. And I know that Well, I love the fact you brought formulaic sandwich or pasta with some are not big fans so coffee. up sweating because I’m a big something. I just stay away from But I am. And maybe I have a little advocate of trying to induce really that generally. But I also allow bit of a bias. I’ve collected a lot of profuse sweat as often as possible, for that experience, assuming it’s research on its health benefits. partially because of new research gluten-free because I’m pretty And I’m sort of advocate of Paul that’s surfaced just actually in strict about that because when Scholick’s perspective on coffee. It 2011 that proves that even if you you started to get orthorexic and is a fermented food. It’s a powerful did a blood serum assay of your you have this sort of my poisoning antioxidant and one of the few heavy metal levels or even tissue, of the experience, the very real things in the Western dietary you won’t always find that you nocebo effect... configuration that has bitter, that have high levels. But what they did we appreciate. So that’s something I they induced sweating. And they lf you think something is bad for start off with. measured the sweat. And found you, it actually generates a cortisol significantly elevated levels of elevation, which has a series of And then I usually do some type of petroleum byproducts and things deleterious health effects. It even work out. I’m fortunate enough to like mercury and cadmium being will cause an elevation of blood live on the gulf so I can actually go excreted in high amounts. sugar, gluconeogenesis in the liver, run on the beach. I had a barefoot So, it confirms what we kind toxic people? I think that’s why your project of already know, which is that intrigues me so much because I sweating is a very effective way to I’m sure that you might come across want those answers, too. I want to eliminate a lot of these compounds. those situations, maybe infrequent. know where it coincides and how So I really do aspire to do that. But I But what you do with that? What we can navigate these two poles, also try to infuse my diet with things do you do with that information? which seem opposite. But yet like Himalayan sea salt and really How do you process it? How do you they’re so essential, both of them. mineral-rich foods otherwise you detoxify from those things? can get in trouble there. Dr. Minich: Well, you’re very Sayer: That’s a great question. familiar with the science. Are you And then, of course, lymphatic Certainly, it happens quite often. seeing more studies on things system doesn’t really have a pump And I largely take responsibility for like spirituality and how spiritual like the heart pumps your blood. So it in certain ways…Obviously, my practices or religion or a belief when you’re doing sweating you’re emotions in response to those sorts system can really influence also really getting your lymphatic of situations. But just being aware somebody’s health? Because I system moving, which is extremely of it and letting it be and trying not believe even when I read The Blue important as far as things like to repeat or contribute to repeating Zones by Dan Buettner, he talked immune health, as well as cancer that really makes a huge difference about we have to have a sense of prevention. So it’s a big part of it. because with the discovery of the purpose. That really is a marker of nocebo effect, which really means, longevity. So do you subscribe to But when it comes to yoga, actually “I do harm”…And it’s in the context this? Or do you think that there’s I took a significant break from it, of clinical medicine. Placebo is, anything to these types of beliefs and only recently returned to it. “I will help,” or, “I will heal.” It’s that we carry? And, for me, because I do really that the attitude one has towards love the feeling I get from intense one other or one’s self is directly Sayer: Absolutely. There’s been workouts from CrossFit to group connected to our physiology in a research on meditation and yoga, power to spin, I just recently very measurable way. enhancing either the enzymes realized how sacred yoga is for all telomerase—which is what heals levels, especially things like power For example a study was published up the ends of our chromosomes vinyasa. I just really love what it in the New England Journal of so when cells divide as they have to does. And the strength that one has Medicine. Now it’s just two years through life to repair and replenish to have from the inside out in order ago. But it showed that when a the damaged cells—if the end of to really be in those poses. It’s just cancer diagnosis was being made, if those chromosomes gets cut into remarkable. As a yoga practitioner that person had a positive diagnosis every time, eventually you’re going yourself, I’m sure you could shed that you have cancer, they had to cut into code that’s important. light on that as well, of course. of the 26.9-fold increased risk of And it’ll cause mutations. And the death within the first week from cell will die or have cancer disease. Dr. Minich: No, that’s beautiful. And heart-related causes. And it was the So telomerase heals those ends yoga is such a great way to meld directly correlated to the type of up so you can do that many more together the body, mind, and spirit. cancer. So if it was brain cancer— times into the future. And so through that practice, we hard to treat—then it was the might be able to really reconcile worst. So to see that and to know So it’s interesting how now we and use the body to deal with a lot that your thoughts or someone can measure on a molecular level of these psychological toxins too else’s thoughts that you trust in genetically that these practices, that we might be feeling, right? authority has that kind of power which are sort of top down—spirit, over us to even kill you within one mind, body—have a direct effect. Sayer: Yes. week is so important for people to Unquestionably we know now that, understand. yes, you can take back your destiny Dr. Minich: So what do you do if even without having to even focus you’re having a bad day? I know So I think that’s where the future neurotically on what you’re putting that you’re living within this aura of of nutrition really lies, is also just into your mouth, although that is goodness with green medicine info acknowledging how important it is essential, as well. and just doing on this great work. to really appreciate the experience But do you ever have a day where of food, as well, as well as just So, yeah, I think the science is really you just feel like maybe there was strictly the composition of it. It’s starting to confirm. But there’s also little bit of a toxic exchange? Or a very double-edged sword. But the reality that the evidence-based medical model is so myopic in our listeners are very concerned you’re still taking fossil fuel or certainly ways. And when there’s a about—and I know that you have a nuclear energy derived food null finding, it doesn’t mean that is lot of your efforts directed here—is calories to deliver, let’s say, one not true. And that’s the assumption towards GMOs. And we’re going calorie of organic carrots from is, “Oh, we didn’t prove that it’s true. to be speaking with other experts the West Coast to the East Coast So therefore it’s not real.” on this area. But I’m curious if you with fifty calories of fossil fuel and can share with us perhaps some nuclear energy. So I think that is another severe strategies. People ask me this all limit is that science has become in the time. Are they protected against So that’s so unsustainable and many ways the ultimate religion eating GMOs if they buy organically so unhealthy to the planet as a that it attempts to devour all grown food? What is their way to whole so that if you feel you’re others. And it’s just not the case protect themselves from GMOs? hermetically sealed, you can there’s so many ways to experience afford to buy organic foods life, even through your senses. Sayer: Wow, what a great question. at Whole Foods and it doesn’t You don’t need the intermediary of Well, I’d like to say that, yes, we matter, it’s just not true anymore. peer-reviewed, published research can protect ourselves from the And then there’s a problem with to do that. contamination with GMO products jet fuel contaminating a lot of or the agrochemical fallout from the organic produce because it Dr. Minich: Wow. And we’re the system. But the reality is that just bioaccumulates there. So both scientists, right? So for you here even in Florida, there is some everything unfortunately—well, say something like that is very organic farming going on where you it’s fortunate that we know this— profound, that you’re flexible can technically legally take Perdue is linked now. And we can’t just about your views on science, chicken manure and use that as pretend like we’re protected by the yet appreciate it and see it as a your fertilizer. label anymore. wonderful tool. And I know that for many people, until we have science So if you just look at the But we do need it. We need better on certain things, they’re not going microbiome issue there, which to know that it wasn’t explicitly to really adhere to anything or try is profound—meaning don’t the poisoned, explicitly irradiated. It’s a modality. So it’s almost like a dog existence of antibiotic resistant just not the same anymore. chasing its tail, that we can’t really bacteria—and then you realize initiate something until we have the that the GMO corn, and some of Dr. Minich: So what my takeaways proof. But we can’t get the proof those proteins and compounds are from what you just said is if until we actually can get somebody are being fed back into the plants you can, grow your own food as to be invested in the idea. and they don’t biodegrade in there best you can, depending on where all the time, the situation is truly you live and your circumstances. Sayer: You’ve got it! Yeah. unconscionable and extremely sad. But even if it’s a windowsill herb So the USDA organic certifications garden, perhaps, starting there and Dr. Minich: Yeah. So it’s nice to unfortunately no longer hold as really small. And then, secondly, hear that you really have a very much value if any, in certain cases. that organic would be the higher overarching embrace and a good choice. It may not be deliberately mindset, I think, around how to There is a USDA organic formula on contaminated. But it may have perceive all of this scientific data the market, which is sold in natural things just by way of distribution. So that you deal with on a day-to-day product stores that has a pesticide we just do our best there. basis. You have a very balanced in it, which is cupric sulfate. That’s approach, which is very refreshing. okay to call it “USDA organic,” and Sayer: Yeah. And then also yet it has a pesticide in it? It’s no biodynamic is really the most Sayer: Thank you. wonder we have one of the highest spiritual of all forms of farming. infant mortality rates in the world. It’s almost like a calorie into the Dr. Minich: So, gosh, you So unfortunately there is a big issue land in and a calorie point maybe mentioned so many things, Sayer, with that now. one or two out, which is really in terms of Roundup and GMOs and the whole nature of universe is to chemicals and Macadamia nuts. Ultimately, the real solution will create abundance out of practically There are so many things here that be when we start locally growing nothing. And so once we realize that we could again mine. our food again because, again, free energy is available on all levels, the organic certification supports especially with our food…It’s like I think one of the things that are a globalized food system where with yoga, and all the things you’re trying to connect or are connecting, and we’re not connected to the now tested. that’s really the future, I think, is planet and we start to impose understanding that. our own chemicals, then we have But the idea is you’re giving your repercussions. We have health body, sometimes for the first time Dr. Minich: Can you explain effects. We have where we need to in your life, a break from having biodynamic? When I lived in start talking about detox. to digest something that has been Europe there was a pretty good cooked or processed, just kind of understanding of that there. But I It’s almost like we just came full like the sludgy stuff we call food. don’t think that many Americans, circle into what we started off And the vibrant beautiful energy North Americans, maybe other talking about. How did we get of one of nature’s most perfect pockets of the world really have here? And now how do we get back whole foods with structure—water, a good understanding of what to where we were? And maybe it dissolved oxygen, pectins, just living biodynamic is. So maybe you can has something to do with being in life force in it—will not only nourish just give us kind of a snapshot of proper connection with nature. you because you really, again, what that means exactly. How can will never be hungry. You just eat we grow biodynamic food? Sayer: Yes. another apple thirty minutes for then if you really are. And then it Sayer: Well, the idea, too, is you Dr. Minich: How do we just do will also provide the detoxification don’t have any type of let’s say that? Because many people are elements. That’s kind of what I input of energy into the land you’re busy professionals. They have busy meant by radical nourishment, that growing you food that was maybe lives. They’re juggling families. state of detox/re-tox. Really we can from a tractor that’s driven by fossil Maybe they’re in school. I’m just get back to using our foods as a way fuel. Or you do things like you take seeing so many people really to nourish and detoxify us at the an old-growth tree, take some of stressed. And so it’s almost like we same moment. the soil underneath it, and put have the universe of our individual into the soil through a horn. Like self. Then we have that macrocosm A lot of the soluble fibers in things say a ram’s horn and it inoculates of everything were connected like steam kale, for example, that soil. And this is before a lot of to. So how do we even begin to will just gently suction out that discoveries of microbiology. They’ll create this healing salve of coming gallbladder, help to pull the toxins use amethyst powder to amplify the into communion again with all of the liver’s not effectively removing. light energy. But there’s probably nature, and really feeling that that And the thing, too, about the other aspects to what’s happening sense of interconnection through microbiome is that if you’re getting that we don’t fully understand. the web? How do we get there? food from the soil that’s healthy it’ll have shot through it all of these But it’s part of the sort of Rudolf Sayer: Well, you know, one of the amazing bacteria. You chop up Steiner tradition. I’m certainly not best more practical approaches I cabbage. an expert in it. But it’s definitely would consider taking—and this is way beyond organic. And you’ll something I’ve done in the past—is Throw it in a mason jar. Leave see Demeter-certified products sometimes you just literally take it there for a few days. Each now, so you’ll know. And a lot of a break from what you’re eating a tablespoon in theory could have this happens in New Zealand, daily basis and do things like do a a trillion or more colony-forming wherever. But that’s really I think mono diet of just organic apples. units. where we need to move. And there Depending on your climb. If it’s are at least models out there— your higher latitude, it’s winter, And so really understanding that it’s permaculture as well—which really it might not be a good idea. But all there for us already. But we want honor that ancient way of getting that is better than just, say, going to get back to more pristine kind of the land to produce sustainably through a heroic herbal detox healing food protocol. And, again, with that abundance. where the assumption is you’re just it’s got to individualized everyone. going to use these potent herbs But I do think it’s important to Dr. Minich: You’re saying a number to stimulate quickly elimination. start thinking of skipping meals, of things that is leading me down And some of the more high-tech developing some emptiness and a different train of thought of interventions even, like chelation hunger, and then reintroducing wondering whether or not all this therapy, although they have value, a whole food that a lot of power: toxicity is because we’re out of you could accomplish many of the avocado, apples, things like that. alignment with the planet. And same effects through pomegranate when we’re out of alignment and other things that have been Dr. Minch: That sounds beautiful. It’s simple enough where people maintain our health is not within come through what we are or could do it. And it’s sustainable, too. the gene itself. Every cell has the are not eating. And that is such same genome. And they’re all a powerful fact is that every So, Sayer, to kind of come to a different, doing different things. It’s three days the intestinal lining close, because we talked about so actually the environment, which in is completely regenerated. The many things very philosophical, the case of nutrition, is really the average age of the human body various scientific, even spiritual, foods we’re bathing ourselves in carbon- 14 testing, which is actually what would you say would be, if that are going to determine our nuclear fallout related, is about ten you could just distill everything health most part. to fourteen years. into three essential bullet points or takeaways, what would you So that’s number one is go back in There’s only a few cells in body that want people to remember based time to, not necessarily Paleo as are there forever, which is like brain on everything that we talked an orthodox system, but similar to cells behind our eye, which is so about? What is most important for whole foods based things that you interesting. But generally we have them to have top of mind as they aren’t cooking as much. Although, the ability to regenerate the entire continue to move forward now, cooking does have value. And I infrastructure of our body over the learning about toxins, going to the would defer to Ayurvedic teachings course of just a decade. And it’s process of detoxification, and then with that. going to depend on what we are or preventing retoxification, right? So are not are eating. how do we stay in that mode? What Number two would be, I guess, are Sayer’s top three tips? really as a tip, exercise because I And then I guess lastly is number really feel, when we eat most of us four. It’s just acknowledging Sayer: Well, top tip is that basically get to this point of saturating our the miracle that we all still here the number one problem is what bodies nutrition. And a lot of it’s just functioning given what has occurred we’re exposed to. So when we carbohydrate, like the starch like to our planet. And that is really our look at our diet, I would definitely glycogen in our cells. It just builds power in realizing that 99.9% of encourage people to go back in up. You have about eight hours, our health is really based on the time to really where our body I think, approximately of storage self-healing energy that’s constantly still is. We live in sort of a post- glycogen. And then rest gets turned unfolding. And really realizing, too, agrarian society where we just don’t into things that the body doesn’t the biggest enemy of that is our even think about eating grains. need. And so when we exercise, mind not knowing that, projecting It’s normal. We feed them to our we’re getting that energy. all of the power of healing onto an animals. We eat the animals or their authority outside of us. And really milk. And I would like people to go We’re expending it. We’re leaving we need to protect it back into back in time to where that didn’t room for the cells to pull in not only where it is, which is nature, which is even exist. those basic nutrients like glucose, what we are. We have to treat our but all the cofactors that we need to environment and our planet as the Because toxicity really starts, I think, be healthy. most sacred of all things. So that’s with foods that are biologically really my whole thing. incompatible. And once you So it’s also essential for our remove those foods it leaves this detoxification as we talked Dr. Minich: That was amazing. amazing place open for the truly about. And not just physically, Sayer, you have taken us into a healing vegetables and fruits and but emotionally. The amount of scientific and sacred detoxification that whole rainbow of colors, all beautiful powerful neurochemicals process. I love everything that of which are so essential for our released gives oxycodone and you just said, very useful tips for healing. When you look at, say, an chocolate and all those things a everybody. What a contribution. So apple, or a tomato or kale, you’re run for their money, Prozac. When thank you so much for being part of dealing with tens of thousands of you get the juices flowing—and The Detox Summit. It’s really been a compounds. And you’re dealing it doesn’t have to be just through pleasure to have you. with an energy state that’s also running. It could be through things an information state, which will like yoga—then we have finally Sayer: Thank you. It’s completely bathe our genes in the information gotten back to that baseline of my honor. You’re doing great needed. being able to rebuild ourselves. things. Appreciate it.

Because in the field of epigenetics And then remembering that every now we know the center of how we molecule in our body really does Evidence-Based Medicine Proves the Power of the Mind and Soul Alicia Lynn Diaz, MA, AHP with Sayer Ji Click here to watch this interview! The purpose of this presentation is to convey information. It is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your condition or to be a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional.

Alicia: Welcome, everyone! Alicia up a disease that you want to heal, the most powerful of all effects Lynn here, from AliciaLynnDiaz. focus on, without really looking ever discovered is that, in all of com. And I’m really excited to at the other really vital parts of these thousands of trials that welcome you to this very special the picture, which are of course are conducted throughout the episode of The Soul of Healing thoughts, feelings, emotions, world, that there are publications Summit, because today we’re spirituality. So, when I heard you every day, dozens of them, they talking with a dear friend of mine, were holding this event, I was have inadvertently proven that Sayer Ji. And as you know, I felt immediately excited. So, thank you the power of what you would call really called to put this summit for having me. belief is determining the outcomes together, to help you harness the that they’re seeing in terms of power of your mind, emotions Alicia: Awesome! Yeah. And I improvements. and spirit, to create radical self- know that you’re really passionate healing. And today, Sayer’s going to about the whole body of placebo So, every single trial for a new be sharing with us, how evidence research. And I was wondering drug or a new procedure has to be based medicine proves the power if maybe we could start with just compared to a control group where of the mind and soul in healing. sharing a little bit of, first of all they’re not giving them “anything” what placebo effect means, for in order to see whether the actual And to give you a little bit of our viewers. Because I think some chosen intervention is doing background, for those of you who people might hear that and kind of anything. And so, what that has haven’t met Sayer yet, Sayer’s the be like, oh, that just means that it revealed truly is that people think, founder of GreenMedInfo.com, didn’t work. Like, when they hear placebo is, oh, it’s some fake thing which is the most widely referenced about research. So, what is the or it’s just the thoughts you have, evidence based natural health placebo effect and what is the role kind of like trick your body. resource online. He’s also the that placebo plays in research, to vice- chairman of the board of The start? But it actually speaks to a powerful National Health Federation, steering self-healing event that is occurring committee member of The Global Sayer: Absolutely. So, the placebo just because one may feel that GMO-Free Coalition, and a reviewer effect is so important in evidence they’re worthy of being healed or at The International Journal of based medicine today, that in order they may feel that because they’ve Human Nutrition and Functional to attain, sort of the holy elixir of externalized the healing power that Medicine. truth in today’s epistemology, or they have innately, to a medical way of knowing, you have to control professional or the belief in a It is such an honor to have you for the placebo in your experiment. physical thing that they have to here, Sayer. Welcome. ingest, that that effect is so powerful So, if it’s a human clinical trial, that all of the research today has to Sayer: Thank you. The honor is which as we know is required for try to control for it. entirely mine. I’m extremely excited the approval of a legal medical to be part of this event, because intervention today, through FDA Alicia: Wow! So, something you just it’s so unique in this space today, drug approval, or approval of the said, really sparked my interest, where we’re sort of dominated by procedure, it has to go through because you said people have this notion that it’s all about picking these clinical trials. And, one of externalized their innate healing power. Can you tell us more about that’s separating us from accessing from some, again, fatal condition what you mean by that? that awareness, because it is we’re told that, you can’t actually do happening regardless. anything more than manage for a Sayer: Yeah. So, this is a very few months before dying. powerful thought experiment really Like, how do we heal a scratch on when you think about how, for our knee? It’s a miracle that’s being So, science is not capable truly of millennia previous to the advent of performed every time it heals. understanding this mystery, but the era of science and subsequently It’s not different from someone we are actually living it. Here’s one medicine, we had healers that claiming to go and put their lethal thing that’s always struck me as so were part of the tribe. And we cancer into remission through profound, which is the quote which had an innate faith in their ability juicing. Our body’s self-healing is often attributed to C.S. Lewis, but to determine our health destiny. potential is so immense, and yet it’s Quaker in origin, and it’s actually There’s actually something known again, we have learned, since the a guy named George MacDonald. as bone pointing, where a shaman beginning, to externalize that power And he said, “You don’t have a soul, in a tribe would point a bone at into what we imagine is someone you are a soul. You have a body.” someone and say, you’re going else’s control. to die tomorrow. And the belief And this is such a powerful in that shaman, because you’ve Alicia: So, what has science been statement because in today’s sort externalized your own agency able to prove in terms of the self- of colloquial terminology, very and healing ability to them, was healing mechanisms of the body? few people seem to even use the so powerful, you’d just go into the And what still remains a mystery? word soul. It doesn’t seem to be woods and you would die. very evidence based. How can you Sayer: Well, that’s such a great prove that there’s a soul? You can’t Now, this exact effect has been question because I’ve always sort of measure it. We all can see it and carried on through generations come back to this awareness that feel it. And it’s so essential to who into the scientific era, into modern still today we still don’t know how and what we are, assuming we’re science, to the point where now we eating a piece of bread, preferably connected, because a lot of us are have clinical evidence, published gluten free and organic, turns into traumatized and it’s almost hard to several years ago in New England blood. It’s like the ancient mysteries. speak about having a soul on some Journal of Medicine, that based on Like, how did Christ turn water into level. whether a cancer diagnosis came wine? back as positive or negative, if it But, the era of biomedicine, which came back positive and they said, This is the same thing. It’s the is what we are now fully engaged “Well, we got your results. You have same mystery. And science has not in, it’s part of the zeitgeist. It’s this breast cancer.” The chance of that answered any of these questions, crystallization that we’re part of, person dying within one week of because it is impossible to ascertain this concept that we’re part of, this heart- related events, like a heart how that miracle occurs. And yet, it great object. And that everything attack for example, was up to 26.9- occurs at every given moment, by in it is externally related to itself, fold higher than if they were told virtue of the fact that we exist, living all objects are externally related to they didn’t have cancer. Because it’s off of things like bread. one another. And it’s like this dead, equivalent basically to that ancient devoid material entity. relationship that we always had Or, there are many cases between the person we thought actually, as you know, that have And the body and this system is was responsible for our health been recorded, of sort of these really sort of like, it’s carrion, it’s destiny, it could be a shaman, people living off of, for example flesh. And there’s nothing else there or some deity, or some priest of Eucharistic wafer cracker, and really that medicine tries to deal the body, which is the modern bleeding this stigmata profusely, with. It’s just cellular processes and physician. and never consuming like sort of things that we can visualize through the earthly stream of nutrition, and amazing technology. It bloodlessly And so, what essentially I’ve come still sustaining themselves. And vivisects you when you get an x-ray. to understand is that if we learn breatharianism, and examples like You can through an MRI, look deep to no longer disavow our healing this exist. They are anomalies but into the structures of your body. power and no longer externalize they sort of disapprove the general our agency in that power and assumption that we aren’t capable But that’s what has happened, is, understand that it’s innately within of generating what we need out by us being part of this, almost us, and it’s really our own belief of the void, so to speak, or heal event horizon, where you pass through it and there’s no way They’re giving me this magical pill. got better taking a sugar pill, or going back, missing is, in a sense You take it into your body and doing nothing, or just believing that anything is missing, this space it awakens in you, this powerful they were getting treated, or having even though it’s so destitute, and experience that I believe is related the care of a doctor. Can you break we all feel like we’re just objects to the imprinting that occurred some more of that down? This is in this great machine, and being the moment you were born, onto really juicy stuff. probed and experimented on, and your mother’s belly, and took the given chemical drugs and the soul first sip of breastmilk, which was Sayer: Yeah, it’s fascinating. You’re emerges at the heart of evidence simultaneously the most powerful right because when you look based medicine. nourishing act physically, and at the present model for drug emotionally, and spiritually, has development and approval, it’s all Because by the way, medical ever occurred. predicated on the substance being monotheism is a real entity, and exclusive in the sense of providing in many ways science today, So, when you have this clinical patentability. And what that means which is what is behind sort of the setting, where you now have the is, if you could take a natural fanaticism and fascism of modern priest like fatherly doctor coming substance and get a patent, great! It medicine, that there is only one and giving you this, sometimes actually probably would work and it proper way to treat. And that there lactose laden pill, which is sort of won’t poison you. But by definition, is something called a compulsory again an imprinting from lactose you can’t get market exclusivity, medical intervention, meaning in breastmilk, there was awakened and private capital won’t flow into we all should get vaccinated, and that healing response that capitalizing the $800 million to $11 have no choice, is this concept that actually has nothing to do with the billion pay wall you have to go over there’s only one way to treat the physicality of that interaction. to get drug approval. That’s on body. And there’s only one way average for each approved drug. to prove that, and that’s evidence And the drug and the interaction based medicine, using double-blind, is what you would call part of Over 50% of those FDA approved placebo controlled trials. an informational medicine. The drugs, by the way, are stripped from comportment of the doctor, his the market due to the side effects, Well, again, they have to try to or her beliefs, the belief that you before their patent life is over. control for the placebo because this won’t heal or will heal, is actually That’s how deadly they are because is so powerful, that arguably most determinative often in the health the whole point is that, in order to of the drugs in the pharmacopeia outcome. get return on investment, which is of modern medicine, have not a fiduciary responsibility, if you’re even a fraction of the therapeutic So, I guess, obviously this has trying to return the investment of properties that the placebo effect been a flourish, but the ultimate the capital sources, you have to affords the intervention. It’s realization that I’ve had is that, create a synthetic molecule. because you haven’t effectively the heart of modern medicine is disentangled those from the actual actually about the power of the soul And by definition, that means that drug’s effect that people claim that, and the mind, which is exactly what it is a poison. It’s xenobiotic, and again, the drugs work. So, it’s pretty your event is all about helping the that, unless it’s a biological, and profound to really look at what you world to understand. often they are contaminated, so would almost call pseudoscientific they’re just as bad. But, the idea underpinnings of the modern Alicia: Wow! Okay, minds being is that the FDA drug approval medical monotheistic structure blown right now. So, can you process is literally the kiss of death. which is not actually evidence based breakdown a little bit more of So, what they do is—and this is in a way that people think. what you alluded to earlier, when acknowledged—almost every drug you were talking about, like all of that has been approved, has at least Keep in mind that the placebo effect these drugs that actually, maybe 75 adverse health effects. So, all which means I will please, it’s like there’s been thousands of studies that they’re doing with these drug this concept, wow, this doctor cares that haven’t even been published trials is, you’re taking a dominant about me! They’re giving me this because the placebo effect did side effect, and repackaging it as a pill. And again, it’s almost like this better than the drug. Or even therapeutic one. religious mythos underpins this when a drug is approved, what ritual like setting. It’s a Eucharistic percentage better than the placebo. So, if it’s a neurotoxic effect, and act. It’s like taking the body of Christ, it makes you sleepy, then they this person cares and loves me. What about all those people that just repackage that as a sleep medication. Or if it’s killing your So, it speaks to how it’s such a billion FDA drug approval process, immune system, they give it to powerful effect, you can’t exorcise that I can’t use it to heal myself. people with autoimmune conditions it, and it really does lead us That is the most absurd Orwellian where their immune system’s back to this notion that we’ve concept that exists today. And overactive. been psychological imprisoned. again, I think we’re getting closer It’s almost like encased in a to being liberated to it. It’s really And so, ultimately what’s happening psychological tumor, which is the something we could let go off as in the drug trial and approval concept which is fundamental easily as understanding the truth of universe is that people are just to allopathy, that the body is what we’re talking about here. being poisoned. And often what’s fundamentally incurable. That happening is that they’re not even the only way to “heal” is to really Alicia: Wow! Everything you just using true placebo trials any longer suppress symptoms. shared is so powerful. I thought because if they do that, it’s clear there was more, that’s why I was the intervention is actually hurting And this speaks to me, to a deeper like, waiting. Keep it coming. But the individuals. This is most evident truth which your summit is helping yeah, right, we’re so brainwashed in vaccine science which is actually to bring to the fore, which is if we’re as a society. Like, I love what really an oxymoron because there talking about medicine and health, you said, that just the inherent is no such thing. we have to look at the root of the separation in and of itself is a word. And ultimately the root of the pathology and only pathologies can There’s never been a single word, health, and heal, and holy, be born from that. vaccine versus non-vaccinated and whole, it’s all the same stem. It study. They’ve never used saline all comes from the same root. And isn’t it so interesting and so as a placebo. And that’s amazing empowering to hear that there considering that it’s a mandatory So, if you separate the body from have been studies done with intervention now, up to 60 vaccines the mind, from the soul, the sacred giving the patient the placebo and in children by age 6. And that from the secular, you’ve already saying, and this is just a placebo, speaks to how non-evidence based created a pathology. And so, the and they’re still getting better. So, modern medicine has become. In modern medical precepts and can we look a little bit, like, on the fact it has become what they call assumptions are actually a disease bright side of maybe the positive science by proclamation. state already. And so, alternative direction that some of these medicine, natural medicine, that’s researchers are going, and how And so, that is what I’m talking not an alternative. That is the only can we explain that, like how can about as far as science or scientism true reflection of real healing and we breakdown the mechanisms of it’s known as, being the religion integration. someone being told, you’re getting that devours all others. Because a placebo. And yet somehow their it’s literally now stripping religious So, again, I think when people healing process is being awakened exemptions from compulsory start talking about the body, and and nurtured innately. medical intervention, which used to even mind- body medicine, they’re be, unimpeachably you’re born with actually in a way reiterating a Sayer: Yeah. Some that have looked the right to choose what to do with disease of the mind, which is an at this problem are assuming, your body. So, we’re in a sort of assumption that you can separate because people already know the cultural war that’s going on. the two, or the assumption that placebo effect is powerful, that emotion isn’t as vital as the DNA in even when they’re being told that But I think what’s happening with our body, because ultimately we it’s a placebo, they acknowledge all this new science on the power feel our lives, from the first person that it’s still going to work, because of the placebo, and here’s one perspective. The only evidence I they still have sort of a meta-belief interesting thing, is the placebo need that something works, or that in the authority of science because effect is so powerful that even now someone smiling, like yourself, is it’s confirmed it. you can inform a patient that this making my body feel better, that is is a placebo, and it still has been the basis for all truth. But, I think that what’s ultimately proven to be extremely effective. happening is, we’re coming back They did cases with inflammatory So, what we’ve done is adopted to sort of ground zero, which is bowel disorder where still the this concept that, unless it’s proven acknowledging that the body has placebo, after telling them this is through an external authority, or an within it, everything that it needs to just a placebo, it’s a sugar pill, was external double-blind, randomized, heal, if we remove the interference, still effective. multi-center trial, or through $11 which as you know, includes everything from toxicants we’re which are essentially benign and very real we all feel, which is if you exposed to, from incompatible represent natural variations in look at just the sheer number of or fake food, to our emotional human physiology that we never species departing the earth on a orientation, to our centeredness understood, because of something daily basis, we’re in an extinction in connection to the earth and one called natural history. period that’s truly, I think it’s 144 another. And that they’re all so times higher than background rates important. No one ever really let these early of extinction are occurring right lesions that they found through now. So, the biosphere is literally I work a lot with Marc David from x-ray, mammography, just progress. dying. It’s a very dramatic statement The Institute for the Psychology of Because they assumed it was but it’s actually scientifically Eating. And he’s so good at helping cancer already, so they said, we’ve irrefutable. to explain the cephalic phase of got to cut these breasts out, we’ve nutrition and how at least 50 or 60% got to radiate them, give them And so, everyone is feeling, I think of all metabolism absorption really chemo. They did that for 30 years. to a degree, somewhat of a grieving does begin in “the brain”, or you process, on a cellular level. There’s could say, the soul or the mind. And And only in the past 2 years is the also a very protective response we so far as how you are comported National Cancer Institute saying, feel, there’s fight or flight. Fight or towards your way of eating, and oh my gosh! Well, they didn’t even flight response is very much going where it came from, and your admit that. They just said, you to lead to things like increased beliefs, and the company you’re know what? We were wrong. Ductal adrenaline secretion, which as we with, it’s all just as important as the carcinoma in situ, 1.3 million breast know in cancer research, on even a actual physicality of what you’re cancer cases treated and breasts molecular level, adrenaline activates consuming. So, he calls it vitamin P, removed, later is not cancer. They the drug resistant proteins, like a or pleasure. It’s just as important as admitted it’s a benign condition. protein in cancer cells, and actually the quantity of nutrients. And if you leave it completely be, it can directly contribute to the will never lead to symptoms in most promotion of treatment resistant So yeah, there’s definitely I think a women, and certainly will never cancer. So, it’s very clear now how resurgence in the notion that being take their life before something like even just being in a fear state, due a soulful, engaged individual is as heart disease will. to maybe our limited perspective, important as looking at us from the or aspiritual perspective, can lead to outside in, as just this body that And so, we’re coming to the point of creating disease. needs to be healed. understanding that our definition of the body has been so off. And we’ve So, the other side of it is relaxation Alicia: And you mentioned when never truly understood healing response, like maybe having we were talking earlier, kind of and how powerful our belief in our confidence that we chose, for about the differences in perspective ability to heal, is in determining our example, to be here. How many on how health can be measured, health destiny. So, we’re getting people can really say that and from the outside, from an objective much closer now, but I think that believe that, and have ever really viewpoint, but that you could not people really need to understand reflected on that. If we think that feel fulfilled in the heart and soul. how important it is that we trust the we were just born here because And then, how someone who’s like, body and understand that how we our parents decided to have us, and on their deathbed could be feeling feel and what we believe is really that it’s just fate, and that we have much more alive actually than that the most important determinant in to deal with this mess, well that’s person. What else do you have to terms of how we’re going to end up. a whole another world. And I’d be say about that? How does that tie upset, I’d be fearful, I’d be trying to into this bigger picture? Alicia: Wow! That’s so empowering. protect myself, try to acquire limited Could you share with us actually a resources, get some guns ready for Sayer: This is very important little bit more on those mechanisms the upcoming apocalypse. because what we’re seeing today of how thoughts create healing in in medicine is an epidemic of the body? But, some of us have come to the over-diagnosis and overtreatment, point where we really understand which are euphemisms for really Sayer: Yeah, there’s a number of and believe that we are here a terrifying reality, which is that ways of looking at it. But certainly I because we chose to. And this is an for many years now, due to the think one of the endemic problems incredible opportunity to be here as power of language alone, we’ve in modern society, which is actually a representation of what we want labeled as cancer, conditions I think representative of something to see in the world. We don’t want there to be fear, and anger, and approaches, are actually mind, Sayer: I would say for me yoga has lust, and we want to embody these body, or spiritual practices. been the most powerful. And I’ve principles. And on a cellular level, taken it from just the sheer physical that can induce a healing response One of the more interesting level of just focusing on power yoga, which would then, in a self-fulfilling modalities to me is, Kundalini for example, which becomes almost prophetic way, help us to sustain yoga which is sort of a yoga of just like calisthenics, like it can be ourselves in times of extreme awareness. There are certain types just a physical form. stress. of kriyas or exercises that have been studied and are now validated Because for some, yoga is of course And so, in many ways, I think we in clinical trials that work very well attached to its spiritual tradition have the tools at our disposal. We for things like posttraumatic stress that contradicts their own. So can explain the science behind this disorder, which as you know, going you can be Christian. You can be choice leading down a bad road, from a war theatre, being abused, Jewish. You can be Islamic and still this one going to a good road. So, what kind of chemical can you take, do yoga. I’ve come to the point we’re in a very unique positive place natural or physical, that’s going to where now I can recognize every in that respect. make that go away? As you know, day comportment is healing, like it’s a bodily somatic memory. It’s every day hand gestures we do, and Alicia: Have any of the studies sort of the unconscious. It actually everything can be yoga. that you’ve personally read, or makes you, in a way, physically live throughout your research in that there forever, because that energy But I can say for me, it’s been such field, do you have anything that is in your body. a powerful way to heal and re- you want to share on maybe the center. So, I believe that it’s going effectiveness or the efficacy of And to be able to use a practice to continue to spread like wildfire. meditation practices, or some of which is so non-violent, and simple, There’s yoga studios everywhere those tools and techniques that are and beautiful to just release those now, it’s like part of our culture. not necessarily herbal supplements energies, and allow you to regain It’s beautiful, receptive. It’s very or drugs, but that are just kind of, presence, and possession, and women driven, in a way that I think yeah, how to harness the power of integration, it’s just such a beautiful is incredible. the mind? thing to now have the science. Because so many people have Because I think what we’re seeing— Sayer: Exactly. So, on Green Med experienced this type of healing, and this is something I’ve written Info, one of the things I’ve spent and they live it, but all these about a lot on Green Med Info, doing is, erecting an index, it’s sceptics are like, “Well, you can’t especially through the lens of one of six, one of which is called prove it.” microbiome research—is what Therapeutic Actions. And the you would call the resurgence unique thing about it is, it’s all the And, by the way, that’s the absurdity of the goddess or the divine research off The National Library of evidence based medicine. It’s principle, which is now validated of Medicine I could find on things not evidence based. They have to by science due to something called that don’t even require physical constantly control for the totally uniparental inheritance, which, as ingestion. So, like meditation, and non-evidence based placebo effect. we know already, women provide things like yoga and exercise, and And they have to claim to be able the mitochondrial DNA as well as things like empathy. Just being even to prove things that you can’t, other cytoplasmic information to the cell. married, they’ve done research on than through your experience. So, The male sperm only donates some this, listening to music. There’s so there’s definitely research now chromosomes. But, everything many of them. in support of almost everything else is through the woman. And that you’re bringing to the public’s then, on top of that, 99% of our And so, yes, we have reached a awareness in this summit. genetic material comes through the point now where the very science microbiome, which comes through that used to only focus exclusively Alicia: Wow! So, are there any the mother. on physical mechanisms, and specific techniques that you’d like to there had to be like a drug, sort share with the audience in terms of So, what we’re seeing in science of like causal relationship, is now what you’ve seen, research, some is this profound support for a showing us that oftentimes the only of the most powerful techniques, or view that sounds a lot like the thing that will work in refractory just in your own life, that have been goddess. You can go from the Gaia conditions, meaning cannot be really powerful for you? hypothesis all the way down to the treated with drugs and conventional mitochondria, and we’re seeing a profound shift in what that, to we have to, in many ways, let the Sayer: Beautiful! Exactly. Like, me, indicates is that we’re going heart and mind lead us in advance remember means to bring back into to start acknowledging that we of the science. bodily being. And yes, absolutely. have responsibility to the mother, I needed that bridge myself. And earth, and again, emotions. It’s And so, even the healing art and so, there’s nothing wrong with all part of this healing movement science today, I think is going to it. It’s good. But there’s another that’s actually coming through the start going more towards that path. level that you’re kind of leading very basis of all the science that’s Like, it’s a priority for me to do us to, which when people enter emerging today. So, we’re in a very yoga in the morning versus taking that place, and that’s where the beautiful time as far as, where a type of supplement to prevent miraculous becomes ordinary, or things look like they’re going. a disease. It’s like, that is more the science itself starts to lead us in healing and more validated by the direction of acknowledging that Alicia: Wow! I hadn’t heard about science on some level, than is what that is actually an innate experience that. So, this science proving this is the older model of sort of almost that we can all have. So, that’s a kind of deeper connection with the like a naturopathy based off the good thing. feminine principle and all of that. allopathic model. So, this is total news to me. What’s Alicia: Yeah. I’d love to hear a little something that the audience can Or, we talk about integration or bit more about your journey with take away from that? integrative medicine, and we this. Like, where has this passion What does that mean to their life think, “Oh, how can we integrate come from in you, to want to go and their healing path in terms of yoga to reduce the side effects down this path? reconnecting and re-awakening that of chemotherapy?” That’s not the innate healing power? integration that you’re speaking to. Sayer: Yeah. I can say from the You’re speaking about the power beginning of my experience being Sayer: Well, there’s been so much of the human soul and mind to incarnate, it’s a strange kind of great work done by women like heal physical conditions that were thing, but my first memory was Susun Weed, to try to differentiate considered irreversible since the very, very young. I would say I the two lineages that have sort advent of genetic science. And now was probably less than a year old, of separated out. With modern we’re coming to the point, with the and it’s poignant to me, and it’s science, and evidence based people that you’re featuring here, unique to me that it was almost medicine, and the technology, where we’re seeing that science like an existential angst, kind of it’s very much a path of external is actually supporting the more experience. validation. It’s a soulless path miraculous, mysterious parts of actually. It’s technologically driven. the equation. So, I think that the So, I always felt on a soul level there It’s about quantifying things. future of medicine is here and it has was disharmony, disease. It’s about the often numeric everything to do with what we can consciousness. And then there’s the do without external sort of help. So, when you look into etymologies oral tradition, there’s the tradition or word origins, which I love to do, of felt intelligence, of bodily Alicia: Wow! Yeah, and isn’t it so the word disease of course speaks transference of ancient information interesting that I’ve seen, one of the to what the whole thing’s about. from generation to generation. trends that I see is, people wanting It’s all about the soul ultimately There’s sort of a knowing intuitively. to go more to the natural therapies, being the center of the experience and they’re definitely much more of what it means to be healthy or And now we’re seeing that there’s a open to holistic alternatives to not healthy. And I’ve always had convergence occurring. I sometimes healing, and yet, there’s still a that. And I’ve always struggled to call it the logos and mythos. Robert tendency, as we’re breaking that try to find ways to heal my different Pirsig, the author behind Zen and old way of being that we say, well, classically defined conditions, the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, we take this herb for this pain, or asthma, and adenoid removal, drew this distinction. And now this supplement for this symptom. and hip surgeries, and varicoceles we’re seeing a convergence, and And it’s still the same reductionist surgery. confirmation, and complementarity approach. It’s still not actually true occurring. So it’s not that one’s holistic approach. And for whatever reason, it was better than the other really. my destiny to be in this allopathic But there is a primordiality or a But perhaps that’s part of the model, and having to be dependent symmetry in nature which is a sort journey, and to remembering the on it. It was the breaking free of of reverence and surrender to, yes, wholeness that we already are. that that it was a necessity for me to reach deeper into what it means audience too, is just to reflect and particularly. So, I just think it’s really to be here. As a philosophy major point out, your mindset as you were important. that’s the question, what is a body, doing this, was one of curiosity. And what is a soul? Spent years trying to you have such an inquisitive nature Alicia: And that’s part of the figure this stuff out. I’ll remember that you weren’t just going to take journey, removing the interference like I’ve not come very far because anyone’s word for it. There was like so that your body can actually just you end up with more questions a deep internal reference point that do what it was innately born to do. than answers on some level. you cultivated. Sayer: Exactly. One of my most But, having this background and And that’s what I want to just tie powerful experiences of healing coming to this biomedical realm back for everyone listening to was fasting. And then also doing has helped, because I don’t feel I’ve this, is, there’s a lot of different mono-diet fasting. Because you just ever just taken it all by faith or by things out there. And part of the realize, wow, when you just stop rote. I’m always questioning what it journey is not just blind faith, of thinking about the perfect thing means, what is healing. And for me, again still externalizing your power to eat, sometimes just letting your it’s just a continual journey. And I’m to someone who is a natural body be, that’s when the miracle of just grateful for the support thus practitioner, or who is a yoga it appears. It’s like holding together. far in my work, and the interest in teacher, or who is a meditation It’s like, we can all experience these natural healing, which is now global. guru of some tradition. things sometimes if we just let go And it’s expanding. and try something different. Like, it’s about taking all of those But again, I was so compelled by things and questioning that. And Alicia: Yeah, so good. So, as we kind this and by you because this is bringing it into the laboratory of of start to wrap up here, what kind what I want to dedicate myself to, your own being, and saying, what of last words of encouragement do not just the perfect body attained makes me feel alive, what makes you have for our listeners, if they’re naturally. Because orthorexia where me thrive, what makes my soul sing. on their healing path, maybe they’re we’re focusing on, what’s the most And that’s part of what I’m hearing just struggling, or just what last perfect diet, and there’s so much in what you just reflected about words of encouragement do you warfare growing, and competition, your own journey. have for that? and everyone’s trying to set up their funnel, and their niche. Sayer: I love it. That’s exactly it. Sayer: Yes. Well, one of the most Because, there’s a tendency, as you powerful things that has ever And it’s all marketing and it’s probably find too, some people happened to me was being exposed like, I just want to just go back to will follow Green Med Info, or I’ll to, what I believe is authentically the basics of, let’s just all try to follow someone, and it’s about self- Buddha’s teachings, as far as him attain a type of happiness that initiation, it’s about experiencing it referring to like no one out there is not inconsistent with making yourself, knowing others have, but deserves compassion more than the world a better place. And like doing it yourself. And yeah, there’s your own self. Krishnamurti, “It’s no sign of health definitely an opportunity here for us to be well-adjusted to a sick world.” all to directly experience this type of And I think that that fundamentally healing now. is the interference that we see Like, you can’t just hermetically in this field when it comes to not seal yourself off on whole foods, Alicia: I love what you said, how the healing, is, we really don’t know or in a snooty yoga class, and think soul is the center of what it means that we deserve it. We all feel, we’ve that you’re attaining health. It’s like to be healthy or not healthy. been programmed and we believe we have to do this together. And that we’re not worthy of it, we’re not really kind of challenge ourselves Sayer: Yeah. I think that that’s capable of it. And that’s to do with to break through these intellectual fundamentally what I’ve come to, us really understanding that that’s constraints. So, I applaud you for and in a way it has let me detach sort of the primary lesson that we this work. And I think that this is the from my own work, because there’s have here, is to forgive ourselves most important kind of topic that only so much writing about the and have compassion for ourselves. we could address, and that I want to benefits of coconut oil that you’re continue to focus on. ever going to want to do. And it’s And when we start doing that, obviously good for you theoretically, it all gets transformed. It’s like Alicia: Yeah. And one of the things but we want to be okay in here. And alchemical, from lead to gold. that I just want to tie back for the that doesn’t require we eat anything Like, you can literally experience a miraculous type of possibility that then opens up so much for oneself. So, that’s been a lesson for me, because everyone, I think, struggles with mistakes. And it’s not so much a mistake, it’s just not being able to have compassion for yourself. And then letting go and giving yourself another chance. So, that’s a big part of it for me.

Alicia: Yeah. Every moment is a new opportunity for that.

Sayer: Totally.

Alicia: Awesome! Thank you, Sayer. Thank you so much for so generously contributing your wisdom to The Soul of Healing Summit. Such an honor to have you today.

Sayer: It’s my honor entirely. Thank you for having me.

Alicia: And I want to encourage everyone listening, to check out Sayer’s website. It’s GreenMedInfo. com, where you can learn more about the research and just the wealth of information available to you on all the topics we talked about today, and more. So, you can check out GreenMedInfo.com. And thank you so much everyone, for listening. Thank you, Sayer. This has been Sayer Ji and Alicia Lynn Diaz with The Soul of Healing Summit. Take care, everyone. Food as Medicine Carrie Diulus, MD and Mark Hyman, MD with Sayer Ji Click here to watch this interview! The purpose of this presentation is to convey information. It is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your condition or to be a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional.

my early years for the injections guys had moved.” And I said, “Nope. of, whatever it was, epinephrine, We just got rid of dairy. We haven’t to keep me from dying, basically, needed you.” from not being able to breathe. So to think something as simple as Sayer: Wow, that’s an amazing Hello, everyone. Dr. Diulus: me not knowing about cow’s milk story. Welcome to The Fat Summit. It being a problem was a solution, is my pleasure to introduce you it just opened my eyes. And from Dr. Diulus: Yeah, absolutely. It’s today to Sayer Ji. He’s the founder that point onward, I got deep into really powerful. And it impacts of GreenMedInfo.com, the vice the literature on ways in which I everything. So reading your articles, chairman of the Board of the could do things like detoxify and I think you have one of the greatest National Health Federation, and just address the overall issues that understandings of food as medicine steering committee member of the I’d suffered from without needing and how food can both contribute Global GMO Free Coalition. He’s medications, etcetera. So that got to health problems and improve also a reviewer at the International me deep into looking at sort of the health problems. Can you talk a Journal of Human Nutrition and overall picture of what was wrong little bit about this? I know it’s a Functional Medicine. Welcome, with medicine. really broad topic. Sayer. I studied, actually, philosophy of Sayer: Sure. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for Sayer: science at Rutgers as an undergrad. I love the topic because of having me. And I learned quite a lot about the course Hippocrates was the underpinnings of the way we look at first to introduce this rather It’s a pleasure. So tell us Dr. Diulus: the body and some of the problems commonsensical notion that even a little bit about your journey into with that view. So getting into our grandmother and grandfather the world of natural and integrative natural healing for me was also sort used to inculcate in us, which is the health. of like a philosophical exploration. importance of eating your greens and why, by eating a certain way, Sure. I started out being Sayer: And so for me, part of it was you may not end up needing to go very interested in ways to address necessity. I needed it for my health. see the physician. An apple a day health issues that I was really born The other part was just pure keeps the doctor away, right? into the world having. So from very fascination. And then a big part of early on, six months of age, I was it was activism, which is I wanted But as we’ve gotten closer and diagnosed with bronchial asthma, to get the word out about sort of deeper into the literature, now, on had my inhaler for most of my early evidence based natural approaches what food really is, it’s just mind years. And it wasn’t until I got into to health. blowing because for the longest nutrition that I realized that cow’s time the prevailing view is we’re just milk was the trigger for my asthma Dr. Diulus: That’s a fascinating story this body machine. And we need attacks. And when I removed it I that you have. My daughter, not to fuel. And food provides calories never needed an inhaler again. get into all of it, but dairy was the as well as building blocks. You same thing. We took her off dairy, have your macronutrients, your Really. Dr. Diulus: and I had a different kid. And we lipids, and your proteins and your went back to see the pediatrician carbohydrates. And it’s sort of this Yes, it was an amazing Sayer: four or five months later. Actually concept of us as a machine. experience because I used to it was about six months later -- we go to the emergency room two, were in the military at the time -- But what has really been happening, three times a year throughout and she said, “Well, I thought you and actually Dr. Hyman has been one of those out there on the And it kind of makes sense because experience of the food -- hopefully forefront saying it for some time, a lot of the research we know it tastes good; it’s high quality -- to is that food is information. I love today, high gravitas research, is all permeate your senses actually itself this because the root meaning of about randomized controlled trials, has nutritional value. the word information is to put form where they try controlling for the into. And when we start thinking placebo, which really means I will Dr. Diulus: So you mentioned the about how the body’s traded, it’s please; I will try to help. The idea is term orthorexia. Let’s talk a little really through genetic information. that even just the perception that bit about that for a second because say someone’s trying to help you, this is a newer term. And we’re We think of it that way. But a physician, can profoundly affect seeing a lot of it in the different technically food has the ability to whether that intervention actually communities where food practices modulate the expression of our works. are becoming dogma for people. genes. In fact, there are entire So just for our listeners who disciplines, like nutrigenomics, that And that’s the same with food. If haven’t maybe heard that term are set up just to look at the nutrient we’re getting it from some type before, can you go through what gene interaction. And now we’re of a food printer that’s excreting you mean by it? understanding that the quality of sort of faux food, right, into a our food also conveys a certain type plate versus someonenwho cared Sayer: Yeah, the right way to eat of information that can regulate the about it, who got it from their is sort of the concept. There’s a expression of our genes. local farmer, who actually had a right way, and there’s a wrong way. relationship, it’s a whole different It’s very dogmatic. It’s almost like So that’s a really important finding experience. And it’s not really woo a religion or scientism on some because now we can kind of woo, quackery to think that the levels, religion, the belief that legitimize why it is that eating intention affected that food quality only through particular scientific certain foods can completely alter any longer because on some basic methodology can you know that our health trajectory, affect all of level, nutrition isn’t just about all something is true. the many different types of disease these little atoms gnashing together risks that we have. And it kind of in keys and locks and mechanics. So people get so fixated on there opens us up to looking at things in a It actually has a lot to do with our being one right way. Let’s say way that’s more congruent with the body resonating and vibrating with you’re a raw foodist, or you’re just way the traditional people looked at a certain food at a certain level. a hard core meat eater, and you food, as being sacred and essential only get 20 carbs a day. It becomes for our health, again not just as So intention as, you say, gratitude, such a sort of substitution for… this machine but as sort of like I feel is as valuable, on some level, almost an interfere of mortality, is communication between species as the actual experience of the food what I think is sometimes beyond because that’s also coming to light, on a molecular level. And I can say this, that it ends up being the as well. this because I think a lot of people wrong way to eat right. get so fixated on, oh, I need to have Dr. Diulus: So when we’re eating, the right amount of this nutrient. So we tend to contaminate on how do you handle the difference They get almost what you would call a psycho spiritual level the very between eating for pleasure, then, orthorexic. They get so stressed it’s intention, which is to nourish and eating with purpose and almost as if food becomes a fight or ourselves. It’s also a double edged intention? And then how do we flight response for them. sword because in this day and determine really what should we be age, psychiatry has taken over eating to be optimally healthy? And as we know the physiology the soul, basically. They claim oh, of digestion requires more of a well you have all these psychiatric Sayer: God, that’s such a great parasympathetic dominant state, conditions, DSM IV categories. question because that is a big part where you’re more relaxed; you’re There’s no objective standard of of it. My colleague, Mark David, he more appreciative. And that enables course. It’s all arrived at through does a lot of work trying to help you because of what they call the consensus. people understand that the way cephalic phase of nutrition. Most that we approach our food, like of the beginning phases of how And they just want to throw a new on a soulful level, directly affects we assimilate food starts in the label at people, as well. So health whether it does our body good or brain, actually. So it starts to make food people like us are now being not. And he’ll use the term vitamin P sense on a mind-body level that by called orthorexic. for vitamin Pleasure principle. being grateful and really letting the So I don’t mean to say that that time. What works for you right process. It could be anything from word is inherently true or untrue. now, which may be perfect for you curcumin to omega 3 fatty acids. It’s being used and misused at right now, a year from now there But I always find it so strange. The times. But there’s an element to our may be changes to that and, as researchers know clearly that the day and age where, yeah, people you just said, being in tune to that basic western diet is actually quite are kind of overwhelmed. It’s why and checking in with yourself and deadly. summits like this hopefully are saying, “Do I feel great right now,” helpful and will help to clarify some because we all deserve to feel great. So what I always advocate is of the confusion out there. eliminate the clear problem, Sayer: Absolutely. No, that’s such a the standard American diet, Dr. Diulus: Absolutely. And that’s good point, the changes that occur the SAD diet, look at your grain part of the definition of orthorexia, even on an hourly basis. You look consumption, eliminate wheat, is is when it’s becoming a problem at breast milk and the way that really a generic recommendation and interfering in your life, not there’ s a dialogue between the that I’ve spent years advocating the just you’re going to eat less than infant and the mother and how position for. I think it’s still really 20 grams of carbs a day if you feel within a matter of hours and days the best way to go. And, yes, there good with that, or you’re going to the composition of the breastmilk are other issues involved with get a certain amount of fats and shifts completely, that’s how we’re modern grain production, with whether you eat meat, whether designed. We do have that sort of wheat, the preharvest desiccant you don’t eat meat. It’s when that ephemerality involved with what we glyphosate that’s used. So there’s becomes a barrier to living the rest need, so to speak. some more complexity here than of your life, I think, that’s part and many account for. parcel for that definition. Dr. Diulus: Interesting. So how do we use food to heal? Dr. Diulus: And even the folate that Sayer: I totally agree. In fact, for gets added to it. me it’s like the field of nutrition. Sayer: How do we use food to heal? I’ve been so immersed in it now; Sayer: Did you say folate? Oh, the it’s been about 15 years that I’ve Dr. Diulus: Yeah. folate. been really passionately involved. It’s almost like a religion, really. Sayer: Well, that’s a great question. Dr. Diulus: The folic acid that gets There’s so much dogma. There’s so First of all, I’ve always advocated added to the grain products. much positing as true for everyone the position that we need to something that is ultimately based eliminate the obvious problems. Sayer: That’s a really good point, on personal experience. And it’s interesting because I right, because it is a synthetic immerse myself quite a lot in analog of folate, which should And I think that what we really all PubMed, as you probably do as come from foliage, like green leafy need is to, first of all, understand, well. It’s this infinite sea, 25 million vegetables. And you’re right. There’s as you know because of citations. You just go on pubmed. some indication that it’s doing functional medicine, things are so gov, go swimming. It’s exciting. things like training methylation bioindividualized that although patterns that are synthetic and there’s a generic template, we And what I find often is that there maybe not even good for us. So are Homo sapiens. We can are a lot of obvious problems. In I think that that’s number one speak generally to certain things. fact, the western dietary pattern is for me. It’s pretty easy. And Ultimately it’s going to come actually treated as a lethal disease then of course you eliminate -- I down to the N of one of your own vector in these experiments. So hope people are trying to do this personal experience. when they use the animal model, -- anything that’s not explicitly they use the western diet, which certified organic. I know it’s not the And that does actually require that is often processed grain products, ultimate certification any longer we kind of drop more into our oxidized polyunsaturated fats, because of some loopholes. direct experience of eating and and then really low quality meats. listen to our body because our body They’re usually fed modified feed, But it’s better than not knowing. does have deep wisdom. So that’s which contains agrichemicals. I personally think permaculture what balances out the science, is biodynamic food, where the soil’s kind of taking a little bit of both. And they end up ultimately dying really healthy, is the best way to slowly. And they usually try to give go. But it’s very hard to find in this Dr. Diulus: And it can change over them something to attenuate that country. So if you have certified organic you know they didn’t Dr. Diulus: So if this can be so everybody. And you have to kind of add extra chemicals on top. And life changing, as you just said, take it with a grain of sea salt. it’s not got genetically modified and people have such a dramatic components. And that’s a good way response to it, why do you think Dr. Diulus: Right. I didn’t know to start. that even recommending these what kale was until probably 10 or things falls under sort of alternative 15 years ago. Literally in college I The other thing I also advocate is therapies? And why do you think wanted to make this newfangled eliminating cow’s milk products, that these alternative therapies are thing I had heard about called generally. Goat milk does offer underutilized? guacamole. I didn’t know what an an alternative. It’s just that the avocado was. They had the signs type of casein found in cow’s milk, Sayer: Well, I used to have this mixed up at the grocery store. And I especially in this country, I feel, is sort of more conspiratorial angry bought a mango. so biologically and evolutionarily young man way of describing it. incompatible that it’s really just But the FDA is the Food and Drug Sayer: That’s quite a story. a good thing to start. Eliminate Administration. They represent the it. If you want to add it back in, interests of the food manufacturers Dr. Diulus: Yeah, I was this science your genotype with blue eyes and that ultimately get us sick and the geek. I was like I don’t do anything fair skin and blond hair likely has drug manufacturers that then in the kitchen. And now I spend hundreds of more generations of suppress the symptoms of the food almost as much time talking to adaptation to that. based illness. So it feeds itself. It’s my patients about cooking and a very effective business model. It’s the science behind what happens Dr. Diulus: Yeah, I can’t do cow’s not necessarily even intentional. downstream of cooking as I do milk at all. It’s just that you’re dealing with an talking about medications and economy that is presently founded surgery. Sayer: Okay, so you can’t, exactly. on disease care or symptom And there’s the beta-casein alpha suppression, trillions of dollars. Sayer: You’re a real doctor. That’s 1, 2 different debate, so it’s a very so powerful. The sense of doctor complex topic, but generally no Deepak Chopra said this about means to profess education. That’s wheat and no cow’s milk. And again, cancer and the industry, that more just so encouraging to hear. I’m a fan of D. Hyman, in large part people make a living off of cancer because he’s done such a great job than die from it. It’s a very powerful Dr. Diulus: It is. of advocating this really simple way fact. It’s the idea that we don’t want to just totally alter the trajectory of to really open our eyes to that thing Sayer: And I’m with you. one’s health. that sustains us and makes a living for it. Dr. Diulus: Yeah, the problem is so Now when you eliminate those two many people have heard through things and you add in, in the void So for me I think that’s part of it. sort of traditional medicine, and that’s created, all these vegetables, We don’t want to try to watch TV to this gets sort of marginalized, which for example, and then grain learn about our products because is it is perplexing, okay, how is alternatives, the dicotyledonous all the advertising is big food, recommending a healthy diet and family, which is the quinoa, etcetera, and the drug companies. of course healthy diet what does buckwheat, amaranth, it’s such a So I feel like it’s pretty clear that you that actually mean, right? great alternative because you’re not have to almost swim against the really eating grains per se. It’s more stream of popular consciousness Sayer: Yeah, I know. It’s almost things that your ancestors would in order to find out what’s really overwhelming at times to think have even potentially foraged. healing and healthy. about where we are with basic truths seeming almost to be radical So there’s a different way to eat And those are the simple things statements these days when it that should help stimulate healing. that, again, grandma’s been telling comes to how to take back control But again, just get the obvious us since the beginning of time. They of our health. But yeah, I think ones out of the way. Stick with still use kale, all right. Things have because Hippocrates of course, organic. Get wheat and cow’s milk changed in the past five years. But is one of the founders of western out of the way. And then it really it used to just be the decorative medicine, we can kind of fall back, can be life changing just to take garnish you’d see, right? And it’s one even, to his wise woods. And I think, that simple step. of the most powerful superfoods. even of course with functional But then again, it’s not good for medicine being one of the leading ways to give this information out, work. But the polyunsaturated fats whereas now, thankfully, we’re that people are starting to open have been construed as being very coming to the realization that their eyes, for sure. beneficial. they’re actual essential for not only building up the actual biomolecular Dr. Diulus: Yeah, absolutely. So And it’s true. They actually have infrastructure, the actual integrity of we are in a fat summit. Since we’re very unique properties that make our cell membranes, but then also talking about food and mythology them ideal for performing all types as signaling molecules, as well as around food, let’s talk about fat and of beneficial functions in our body. sources of fuel. your thoughts on healthy fats and But because they have double how are fats therapeutic. carbon bonds that are open, unlike People don’t realize this, but the saturated fats, they are open heart muscle can survive, if need Sayer: Well, I love just the fact to basically having those bonds be, with no glucose present, off of of our biology because we are occupied by oxygen, therefore that just beta oxidization of fats. And really just fat, water, and a bunch leads to what we know as rancidity. it prefers saturated fat and/or of amino acids. There are some monounsaturated, like the type you minerals involved, not a heck of So part of the problem with get from olive oil or avocado, like a lot of them. And then we have polyunsaturated fats is that they are oleic acid. So that’s the profound carbohydrates. relatively more susceptible to going thing, is we think about the heart rancid. And then that has all these as susceptible to getting clogged up Dr. Diulus: There are a few in the downstream bad effects, like lipid from fat. bones. We have to give the bones peroxidation in the body. It’s really credit, right? bad. It causes all this oxidative And it’s true that the really bad fat, damage, etcetera. So technically even the polyunsaturated vegetable Sayer: Exactly. So the fat part of polyunsaturated fats are best oils we’ve been told have been so the equation in nutrition is so consumed when they haven’t been good for us, if they’ve been high compelling to me because clearly heated. And if they have, at least heated and exposed to oxygen and we’re building ourselves out of what in whole foods, all these natural put in a bottle, they’re cardio toxic. we’re eating. And if most of those fat soluble compounds, things But take a good saturated fat from “fats” are vegetable oil derived that like antioxidants and vitamins, for coconut or take monounsaturated, have been oxidized and processed example, will help to protect them. which means one double carbon and preserved, and we’re using that bond, then it’s actually really to produce our bodies, it’s really So vitamin E is actually eight beneficial to heart health. quite disturbing. different isomers. And in foods we see primarily gamma tocopheral Dr. Diulus: And even the brain So I do like to focus a lot on getting whereas most supplements are function. We sort of had this belief my fat from whole foods or foods d-alpha, or worse, the petroleum that the brain needed glucose as that are minimally processed analog dl-alpha, which includes well. The brain runs very well on because of course they’re not going eight different chemicals basically ketones. to be oxidized already, i.e., rancid. that are endocrine disruptors and So many of us are walking around cause problems. Sayer: Very true. being basically rancid bodies. And we don’t want that. So in foods you have all these Dr. Diulus: And the other piece of protective molecules, like vitamin this is to talk about some of the Dr. Diulus: So let’s talk just for a E, that help to keep it from going different fats. We kind of think second because I think those terms bad. So the idea is that we want to of fat as one thing. But really get used a lot. And a lot of people consume these polyunsaturated even saturated fat, that’s just not are not clear on what they mean. fats from our foods with the food. one molecule. There are a lot of So oxidized fats and rancid fats, And whenever you’re cooking food, different types of saturated fats. So can you talk a little bit about your of course, we have to consider it gets very nuanced. meaning behind those? that if you have those “good” unsaturated fats, that they’re going On GreenMedInfo you talk about Sayer: Absolutely. Today, by the to likely go rancid more readily than studies related to things like hemp way, fat, the word itself, is sort of if it was a saturated fat. seeds and Alzheimer’s. So can you a negative term still. And it’s so talk about fats in the brain a little important. So we’re starting to Saturated fat, for years, of course, bit? change that thanks again to this have been construed as negative Sayer: Yeah, there is research massive freak of nature. It’s called And they found that cognitive indicating that hemp seeds seem encephalization. function was preserved with the to have some anti-Alzheimer medium chain triglycerides on properties. But really the one we Several millions years ago our board. So the brain functions very focus most on is coconut oil. As you brains just started to explode in size well on ketones. And every cell say, there are a number of different to the point, as you know, where in the body, most specifically our types of fats. And they basically we develop outside the womb. We nervous system, is covered in fat. So differentiate them by the number can barely get an infant or a fetus if we’re not getting enough fat, as of carbons that they contain in their through the birth canal any longer you said, it’s leading to all of this. backbone. without C-section, right, because the brains are too large. And then it Sayer: It’s amazing. So the medium chain triglyceride does years of development group that you find in things like outside the womb because of the Dr. Diulus: So fat gets this sort of coconut oil is between 5 to 12 brain. So anyway, the brain requires negative connotation. How do we carbons long. And in coconut oil massive amounts of energy. get over this big barrier? Worse yet, is a fat that basically enables your if you have a primary care doctor liver to take it and turn it right into And if it’s glucose based it’ll go two, who you go and see, and you want ketone bodies. Ketone bodies are three minutes at most. And then if to lose a little weight, or you’re very easy to get through the blood it doesn’t get adequate glucose it’ll having some problems, and they brain barrier and into the brain, freak out. It goes into fight or flight. say, “Go eat a lowfat diet,” you’re where they, as you say, provide an Adrenaline’s released, cortisol. And like, “Wait, I just listened to The alternative source to glucose, which the blood goes up immediately Fat Summit.” is profound. just tapping out the reserves. You will feel like you’re going to die if Sayer: It’s true. Well, it’s important There was a study published in you don’t get that, right? But if you of course to differentiate between 2014 in the Journal of Neurobiology have the presence of these good fat the types of fat on our body that do of Aging that was based on just 20 derived ketones, the saturated fat really cause harm and those that participants with Alzheimer’s and/ ketones, then you will have a more don’t. And of course abdominal or mild cognitive impairment that steady and stable type of energy. obesity or what we call belly fat, were given just a single dose of midsection fat, visceral fat, is well medium chain triglycerides from And of course because of fat known to carry a pretty significant coconut. Within 90 minutes they deficiency, is my assumption, risk for the number one killer, for found, based on a paragraph recall they’re now looking at Alzheimer’s example, cardiac mortality. test, that their cognitive function disease, this exploding epidemic, had increased significantly. as a form of diabetes. We’re calling There was a very interesting study it diabetes type 3 because the that was based on three different And they correlated this directly brain has become so dependent parameters. They looked at to how much of the ketone bodies on glucose and so resistant to the abdominal obesity versus smoking were found in their blood. So it’s insulin required to constantly try versus abnormal lipids. And they amazing to think that your brain to utilize it, that now everyone found that the midsection fat is a massive machine. And this is is seeing that just adding more was a greater risk for myocardial important for people in the fat good fat into the diet could infarction, or heart attack, than was summit to realize, that relative to totally decelerate this epidemic of smoking and lipids. It was other mammals, we have massive neurodegenerative diseases. 48.5 percent increased risk in this brains that take up a huge amount particular study for midsection of energy. Dr. Diulus: Fascinating. Even in fat and 40.8 percent for smoking the short run there’s a study, I and 38.4 for abnormal lipids. So So about 25 percent of the energy think it was out of Yale, that they that shows you that yes, there’s that we derive from our diet is just looked at type 1 diabetics and definitely a red flag involved if dedicated to keeping this thing insulin use and hypoglycemia and there’s this disproportionate functioning whereas most the cognitive decline that happens accumulation. mammals it’s about 5 percent. And with a hypoglycemic event. Then then we use three to four times they gave them medium chain A lot of it, as you know, has to do more energy and have a greater triglycerides. And they had them with the fixation on carbohydrate, size of our brain than most other do a test before and after both in a especially fructose. Fructose is primates. So humans are just this hypoglycemic state. one of those sugars that doesn’t actually satisfy the body. Unlike in preserving function. And they’re codeveloped at the same time. regular glucose it doesn’t go right pretty impressive studies. I use into the cell. It goes to the liver, just this with my patients. So let’s talk So animals on this planet, humans like alcohol, and actually works on about the superfoods, turmeric in especially, our destiny’s enmeshed the same, what they call, hedonic particular. What are some of your with all these different foods. So pathway, which is sort of believed favorite superfoods? And how that’s why there’s this sort of almost to activate the dopamine system do these things work? miraculous connection between as alcohol and causes this fatty why they can do these amazing liver accumulation. They call it Sayer: Yeah, it’s beautiful things for us. nonalcoholic fatty liver. And it spills because turmeric is just such over into abdominal obesity. an incredible spice. I’ve spent So anyway, when it comes to months indexing research on it. turmeric, I believe the best way to So actually that’s well known. You On GreenMedInfo we have 2100 use it is to mix it in its traditional can correlate the midsection fat studies into turmeric’s value in over culinary fashion, with a fat, to higher lipid accumulation in the 800 diseases. And what I came usually clarified butter or butter, liver. So the idea is that it’s the to in this sort of project, because coconut oil, because then also fixation on oh, carbohydrate and I was able to isolate over 200 you get access to the fat soluble complex carbohydrate is better different pharmacological actions components like turmerones, for you than fat that’s led to this, through this one substance, was which, interesting enough, have really, epidemic. that it contains a vast amount of been also shown to cause a information which actually has the regeneration of neural stem cells, And what we know is that ability to alleviate suffering in a and therefore may even regenerate technically there are two types of wide range of conditions. brain function. So there are so fats in the body that we should many benefits to mixing spices with be looking at, white fat, which is They use the term adaptogen in good fats for things like optimal the type that we find in visceral herbalism. The assumption is you weight and/or weight loss that you fat that’s really not healthy, give ginseng to someone with high really can’t lose. and brown fat, which is brown blood pressure, and it may lower because it’s so iron rich because it. But someone with low blood Dr. Diulus: Fantastic. So what of all the mitochondria, the dense pressure, it could raise it, which in are your top three lifestyle mitochondria within it. the pharmacological model doesn’t recommendations for the listeners make any sense. But that’s the way moving forward? And it turns out that that fat nature designed the interaction type, which is actually highest in between the species we consume as Sayer: Yes. Okay, when it comes to infants, and you lose it as you grow foods and/or spices and our body. fats, my basic recommendation is older, is producing more heat. It’s if you’re going to cook anything, try basically consuming energy, and So the idea is that we can utilize to make sure that you’re consuming therefore it’s actually improving these substances because we or cooking things in a high quality your metabolism. And as you know, probably coevolved with them or saturated fat based food, so there’s a study that was published certain compounds within them coconut oil, wild crafted red palm, recently that found that turmeric for long enough periods of time which actually is so red it’s got 15 extract, particularly curcumin, that there’s almost a dependency times the carotenoids of carrots, which makes turmeric really gold and a certain type of reciprocal along with other things, even and yellow, was able to shift the altruism that developed between coenzyme Q10. Clarified butter, why phenotype of these fat cells from these plants. is it clarified? Well because if you white to brown, which actually remove the lactose and the casein, shows us that epigenetically we can Generally speaking, the family it won’t burn when you’re using completely alter the trajectory of that we’re part of, Metazoa, multi higher temperatures. And it won’t our health just through the use of cellular creatures, the explosion create all these byproducts. simple culinary spices. of our predecessors around 250 million years ago and the Dr. Diulus: Ghee is another term Dr. Diulus: So let’s talk about this angiosperm plants today which for that, correct? because there are studies, some produce all the food, basically, that mice studies, out of UCLA looking we consume, about 75 percent Sayer: Thank you. Clarified butter, at the combination of omega 3 fats of the foods that we eat are ghee, yes. So when you use those and curcumin in spinal cord injuries from these angiosperm. They all fats as your cooking medium, you’re not going to have to worry about me, on turmeric accelerating the consider consuming high quality those fats going rancid like you conversion of alpha linolenic acid, seeds. Sesame seeds to me are just would with the polyunsaturated. the vegetarian omega 3, into EPA, an incredible, almost unexplored But you still need those. You need which helps explain why in India, source of good fats but also other your polyunsaturated fats, omega 3 which is often a vegetarian based fat soluble compounds that are and omega 6 both. culture, they still didn’t seem to extremely beneficial to health. So have great indication of deficiencies going back to some really high So I suggest people, as my of omega 3. So there are even quality seeds and nuts as a way to recommendation number two, do ways to go around that. But the supplement that intake, I think, is a flaxseed oil. It’s a beautiful thing difference is profound. really great idea of course too. because it has such a high quality ratio of the omega 3 to omega 6. I am actually an advocate, if there’s Dr. Diulus: Perfect. Well, thank The western diet is so deranged, no ethical concern, of animal you. All of this has been incredibly where we’re getting maybe 40 to rich diets for a good number of fascinating. Is there any final 2000 times more omega 6 than folks due to the reality that we’ve message that you want to leave omega 3. It’s really so out of whack. gone through in our evolutionary with our listeners today? And that affects the eicosanoid transition as a species, large pathways in the body, which sort windows of time where animal Sayer: Okay, great. Yeah, for my of underpin the inflammation material was the primary source of own personal journey, I knew that response. nutrition. it was from going and moving to consuming more high quality fats So that alone could do quite a So genetically many of us have that this sort of incessant fixation lot to maybe help to mitigate the a real need for it. If you’re a that I’ve had my whole life on widespread painkiller and NSAID parasympathetic dominant carbohydrate rich foods and sugars addiction that westerners deal with individual, you may need more and sweeteners was completely because of their diet. But then in meat. It’s just going to depend nixed. the flaxseed oil, if you get a lignin on the particulars. So technically, rich one, you get the secondary then, animal derived omega 3 is And it’s amazing what happens. You benefit of a selective estrogen really important. I don’t mean to think oh, gosh, what, am I going receptor modulator that is so indicate that just through taking flax to stop eating all these grains and effective at helping with epithelial seed oil you’re solved; everything’s things? If you add the good fats, and cancers, prevention and even fixed. Things like wild salmon, for you get beyond the fear of oh, it’s regression, including prostate example, would be a good source, going to make me fat, it’s amazing and breast. So you’re getting sort of as well. how much better you feel and this win-win. how much more satisfied you are. Dr. Diulus: Perfect. So then you So anyway, I think that that’s one Dr. Diulus: So can we go back just were saying your third final… reason why this summit is going one second? So talking about the to hopefully help a lot of people as flaxseed oil, there’s discretion about Sayer: Okay, so the third thing they start to look at fat as a good getting your omega 3s from the that I like to point out is that word again. animal based versus plant based. plant material in whole form has People get confused by that. Can a good amount of potential for Dr. Diulus: Perfect. Well, thank you talk about that a little bit? generating the types of fats that you so much for your time. I want we need. So even things like white to thank Dr. Hyman for giving us Sayer: It’s a really good question rice have the ability to produce this opportunity to let his listeners and distinction because the omega fatty acids, like butyrate, which are learn from all of your deep wisdom. 3 fats found in animal foods, DHA really important for overall health There are links to your website, and EPA, theoretically we don’t or even signaling molecules. So the GreenMedInfo, on the video have the ability any longer to there’s a complexity here. When summit today. So thank you very effectively transform the vegetarian you add in the microbiome and much. And you take care. versions of those fats. So ALA will you look at the way in which not convert effectively to EPA, DHA, everything has to go through, we’re Sayer: All right, thanks. It’s been an theoretically. learning that we don’t know as honor. Thank you. much as we thought before. There is research we reported on, For practical purposes, though, I Dr. Diulus: Thank you. which was really mind bending for would throw in that people should These talks brought to you by HealthMeans.

Visit http://hto.care for access to 100s more health experts and 1000s of their talks!