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Interview with Joe Klein of the New Yorker in New York City July 5, 2000 2382 Oct. 7 / Administration of William J. Clinton, 2000 Mrs. Simon. Well, we agree with you, as The President. I'm so grateful to all of far as Hillary's campaign is concerned, and you who are there. And let me say just one we're all here to support her. And I wanted little serious word. I'm also very grateful for you to know also that George Hamilton flew the chance I've had to serve, and I'm glad in from L.A. especially to be with us tonight, our country is in such good shape. But this so he's a little disappointed, too. is a really important election, because the de- The President. I'm sorry I didn't get to cisions we make will determine whether we see George. [Laughter] I kind of resent it. stick with an economic policy that's working, You know, when I came here, I was like build on a health care policy, stick with an George. I looked younger than I am, and now education policy that's working, and continue I look like I'm about half-dead. [Laughter] to change in the right direction or do some- I still feel pretty good for a guy with a lot thing entirely different that I think won't of miles on him. [Laughter] Thank you for work nearly as well. coming, George. This is an election that's going to have real Mrs. Simon. Mr. President, is it possible consequences for the American people, and for Ian, our grandson, to say hello to you? sometimes I'm concerned that because times The President. Absolutely. are good, people think it doesn't much mat- Mrs. Simon. Ian, say hello. ter. It matters a lot. I guess you know that, Ian Skjodt. Hello, Mr. President. or you wouldn't be there tonight, even for The President. Hello, Ian, how are you? Mel and Bren and Cindy and Paul. But I'm Ian. Good. very grateful to you, and I thank you very, The President. How old are you? very much. Ian. Six. Mrs. Simon. Thank you very much. Thank The President. I think you're on your way you for calling. to being a good public speaker. [Laughter] The President. Thank you all, and good Mrs. Simon. Would you like to say hello, night. Samantha? Come up here, Eric and Mrs. Simon. Good luck with everything. Samantha. They're very, very disappointed The President. Thanks. Keep your fingers you couldn't be here, but they're excited to crossed. Thanks, Evan. say hello to you. Samantha Skjodt. Hello? NOTE: The President spoke at 9:25 p.m. from the The President. Hello, Samantha. Residence at the White House to the reception Samantha. Hello, Mr. President. at a private residence in Indianapolis, IN. In his The President. How are you? remarks, he referred to reception hosts Bren and Samantha. Fine. Melvin Simon; their daughter, Cindy Simon The President. And how old are you? Skjodt, their son-in-law, Paul Skjodt, and their Samantha. Eleven. grandchildren Ian, Samantha, and Eric Skjodt; The President. That's great. Well, I'm Senator Bayh's wife, Susan; and actor George Hamilton. sorry I didn't get to meet you. Mrs. Simon. Eric and Samantha are twins, so Eric is going to say hello to you now. Interview With Joe Klein of the New Eric Skjodt. Hello. Yorker in New York City The President. Hi, Eric. Eric. Hi. Hello, Mr. President. July 5, 2000 The President. Good job. I think you ought to bring them to see me in the White President's Historical Perspective House before I go. Mr. Klein. Do you essentially agree with Mrs. Simon. You know, we were excited my sense that you hadÐthat the big issue to find out that we'll probably come in and has been moving from the industrial age to see a movie or something in the near future the information age, and thatÐI mean, the with the children, if that's okay. toughest thingÐÐ The President. Absolutely. We'll set it up. The President. Yes. The short answer to Mrs. Simon. Okay, great. that is yes. Administration of William J. Clinton, 2000 / Oct. 10 2383 Mr. Klein. ÐÐto explain to people is, you Woodrow Wilson. And I sort of saw this pe- take something likeÐhow can being in favor riod in parallel with that. of affirmative action and being in favor of The rest of the 20th century was mostly welfare reform be part of the same vision? about dealing with the rise ofÐfirst, the How can being in favor of free trade and Great Depression; then the war and the need being in favor of universal health insurance to defeat totalitarian systems, which was part be part of the same vision? There are people of the war and the cold war; and dealing with on the right or the left who would say, ``You the specific challenges at home, principally can't do that.'' And yet, I think that they are civil rights, the women's movement, and the part of the same vision. But my first question growth of environmental movement in is, how would you describe that vision? America. The President. I think my viewÐI saw So here, we are moving into, basically, my Presidency as a transformational period, from an industrial societyÐan industrial and basically, America has gone through two economy to an information economy, and at before. Maybe it could start if we did it in the same time moving into an ever more historical times. There were basicallyÐI look globalized economy, which also is more and at American history in the followingÐwe had more of a global society in that we share com- the creationÐhow we got started and sort mon challenges and common interests that of filling out the elements of the National go beyond economics. And the globalization Government and defining what it meant. And of the media has accelerated that. that basically went from the Declaration of So I saw my challenges trying to, first of Independence to the Constitution, Washing- all, maximize America's presence in the in- ton's Presidency, and the appointment of formation economy; second, to try to maxi- John Marshall as Chief JusticeÐwhich is a mize our influence in the welfare of our very important thingÐand then, ironically, country and like-minded people around the through Jefferson's Presidency, with the pur- world in a globalized society. And then, the chase of Louisiana and the Lewis and Clark otherÐand I'll get to your questionsÐand expedition, and then the next big challenge then the third big thing for me was trying was, how would we adapt that to our growing to make people have a broader and deeper industrialization? And how did we get rid of vision of the American community and how slavery, which was inconsistent with our prin- to handle diversity and how we would finally ciples? So obviously, that's what Lincoln and get a chance to see, in ways we never had the Civil War and the constitutional amend- before, what it meant to make one out of ments and everything that happened on civil many, what our national motto meant. rights after that was about slavery. But there was no single President that managed the And I think theÐand you ask me, well, process, if you will, or laid out a framework how can you reconcile those things? It seems from the agricultural society to an industrial to me that the two operational strategies we society. But that's part of what the railroads, had to pursue those three great goals were, the canals was all about, and it's part of one, the Third Way political and social phi- whatÐand Lincoln was a part of that with losophy. If you believe in opportunity and the Morrill Land Grant Act, with the col- responsibility and community, then it's per- leges. fectly clear why you would be for affirmative Mr. Klein. This happened too slowly action and a global trading system, you know, forÐÐ why you would be for health care for every- The President. But it happened over a body and whatever else you saidÐwhat was long period of time. Then, there was the the other thing? transformation from theÐyou know, it hap- Mr. Klein. Free trade. No, I said that. pened over a long period of time as we slowly The President. Welfare reform. became a balanced society. But then, when Mr. Klein. Welfare reform. we burst onto the world scene as a major The President. Welfare reform, because national industrial power, that process was first of all, work is the best social program. basically defined by Theodore Roosevelt and Secondly, it is imperative to have a basic 2384 Oct. 10 / Administration of William J. Clinton, 2000 work ethic if you believe in individual re- 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 sponsibility and you believe it gives meaning years from now? And I think that is oftenÐ and direction to life, and I do. But if you that hasn't often been the business of the do, you also recognize that there is no soci- Government. etyÐno society has succeeded in providing But if you go back to Roosevelt's focus on access to health care to everybody without conservation or Wilson's struggle ofÐfailed some governmental action. attempt at the League of Nations, I think Mr. Klein. But there have been people what made them both great Presidents for all along, as you knowÐI mean, you and I the transformational period America was in had this same conversation in 1991.
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