o No. 132 N 132 ISSN 1180-2987 Legislative Assembly Assemblée législative of Ontario de l’Ontario Second Session, 40th Parliament Deuxième session, 40e législature Official Report Journal of Debates des débats (Hansard) (Hansard) Monday 28 April 2014 Lundi 28 avril 2014 Speaker Président Honourable Dave Levac L’honorable Dave Levac Clerk Greffière Deborah Deller Deborah Deller Hansard on the Internet Le Journal des débats sur Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly L’adresse pour faire paraître sur votre ordinateur personnel can be on your personal computer within hours after each le Journal et d’autres documents de l’Assemblée législative sitting. 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INTRODUCTION OF VISITORS Also, Mr. Speaker, for the first time in 10 years, my wife, Sara Pendergast, and my eight-year-old son, John, Ms. Lisa M. Thompson: I’m thrilled to introduce to are here today to watch the festivities. the House today some wonderful people from my riding: The Speaker (Hon. Dave Levac): On behalf of the Heather Pham, Josh Pham, Tyler Pham and Jordan Pham. member from Oshawa we have, to represent page Ashley They’re joined by Rebecca Stein, Heather’s sister. We Bowes, her mother, Katherine Bowes, here. also have the president of OPPA, Jim Christie, and On behalf of the Minister of Rural Affairs: Page Patrick Armstrong from the Dave Mounsey Memorial captain Kaia Douglas’s mother, Yvonne Leicht; father, Fund. Cameron Douglas; brother Jake Douglas; grandmother Hon. David Zimmer: It’s my pleasure to introduce Janet Douglas; and grandmother Betty Leicht. Welcome Chief Tom Bressette of the Chippewas of Kettle and to Queen’s Park. Stony Point First Nation. Ipperwash is located within his For the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing: First Nation. Page captain Thomas Brassard—his mother, Chris Mr. Jeff Yurek: I’ve got a few guests here today Brassard, and father, Mark Brassard, are here. Welcome from the Canadian Council of Independent Laboratories. to Queen’s Park. I’ve got president Jeff Pike, executive director Derwyn We welcome all our guests. Thank you for being here. Reuber, and board members Al Nathoo, Michael Maher and Stephen Walker. Please welcome them to the Legis- lature today, and don’t forget the reception this ORAL QUESTIONS afternoon. Hon. Glen R. Murray: I just have two brief an- nouncements. I would like to welcome my friend from FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY Elmira, Ontario: Ann Kendall, who is the mother of my Mr. Tim Hudak: Speaker, my question is to the legislative assistant, Shannon Zimmerman. I’d also like Acting Premier. Acting Premier, every morning when I to just recognize for the House today that my friend from wake up I ask myself a question: What can we do to Windsor–Tecumseh is a grandfather to Katana. His create more jobs—more opportunities with better take- daughter just had a girl. I want to congratulate them. home pay for Ontarians, those who are out of work and Mr. Michael Harris: I’d like to welcome two fine those who are struggling to get by on a part-time job? On gentlemen from the region of Waterloo: Michael this side of the House, we believe that the first step Brattman from Erb and Erb, and Doug Heaman from towards providing a more prosperous province of Ontario Advocate Insurance—two insurance brokers today. with better jobs is to balance the books, to spend within As well, Ann, welcome also from Elmira. our means, not to put more debt on the back of the next Hon. Eric Hoskins: I rise to introduce Mr. Chris generation. Floyd, who is president, and Mr. Randy Carroll, the We’re concerned that you’re going in the opposite CEO, of the Insurance Brokers Association of Ontario, direction, that you have the belief on that side of the who are here today along with brokers’ delegates from House that you’re going to try to spend your way out of right across Ontario. Welcome to Queen’s Park. deficit. Hon. Mario Sergio: I’m delighted to have a gait and I have a document here, which my colleague Mr. Fedeli mobility consultant specialist in the House watching the from Nipissing found called Fiscal Plan Information. It proceedings. I hope that he’s going to have a good time, appears to be a cabinet briefing from February 13, 2013, Speaker: Rennie Terbogt. which indicates that the Liberal plan to balance the Mr. Rob E. Milligan: I’d like to welcome to the gal- budget, according to finance officials, is a sham. Was the lery today several people from the Northumberland Child minister briefed on this document? Development Centre. We have Clare Paterson, Lisa Interjections. 6812 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO 28 APRIL 2014 The Speaker (Hon. Dave Levac): Be seated, please. Mr. Tim Hudak: Minister, I think I’ve been absolute- Thank you. ly clear each and every day. I’ve got a plan to create a Deputy Premier? million good jobs in the province of Ontario—good, Hon. Deborah Matthews: Before I respond to the solid, middle-class jobs. If the minister wants to know question, I do want to extend my condolences to the more about my plan, I’m glad to send a copy across the family of Herb Gray. For four decades, Herb Gray dedi- way. Again, Speaker, I think I’ve been very clear. cated his life to public service. He served as a minister The concern I have is that the minister has been under three Prime Ministers, a Deputy Prime Minister briefed. The Premier and the finance minister had these himself. On behalf of the Liberal caucus, and I think all documents over a year ago. He buried them. Mr. Fedeli, members of this House, we extend our condolences to the the member for Nipissing, has done a good job at un- family of Herb Gray. covering them. This is serious advice from finance Speaker, to the question: This is a clear division officials who have said that you have no plan to balance. between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. In fact, we’re risking another six years. These are finance The Conservative Party thinks that they can cut their way officials who brief you, the Premier and the finance to prosperity. On this side, we believe in investing in minister. people. We believe in investing in infrastructure. I worry that when you’re using these types of fiscal We’ve seen this before. Let’s just remind ourselves sleights of hand, these card tricks that undermine con- how many jobs were lost the last time they had the op- fidence in our province, people are watching: job portunity to do that. It’s not just how— creators, investors. The Speaker (Hon. Dave Levac): Thank you. Sup- Minister, if you have no plan to create jobs in the plementary? province of Ontario, but put us further in debt, isn’t it Mr. Tim Hudak: Of course, we echo condolences to time to change the team that leads this province— the family of Herb Gray, a great Canadian, a great public Interjections. official. The Speaker (Hon. Dave Levac): Be seated, please. We also extend our condolences to the family of Thank you. Kimm Fletcher, who, sadly, Speaker, passed away. My colleague Mr. Chudleigh and my health critic, Christine Deputy Premier? Elliott, were fighting hard for Ms. Fletcher. Hon. Deborah Matthews: People won’t need a great I’m going to pass on, through one of the pages, if I memory to remember that the last time they had the could, the document, Minister, that you would have been chance, they actually hid the deficit from the people of briefed on. Again, it’s confidential advice to cabinet from this province: $5.6 billion. That deficit was hidden from February 13th. I refer you to page 9. Page 9 in this the people of this province. document indicates that you had no plan to balance the We are going to deliver a budget on Thursday. It will budget. The numbers are no more than a fiction. be a budget that invests in people, invests in prosperity Page 9 also will tell you that the finance officials— and invests in infrastructure.