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INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT Volume 7 Daniel Amen, MD Foods Your Brain Will Love CONTENTS: Dr. Daniel Amen is a physician, a double board-certified Toxic Food and Brain Health psychiatrist, the founder of Amen Clinics, and a Distinguished Bigger Brain, Better Brain Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. Dr. Amen is The Dinosaur Syndrome the lead researcher on the world’s largest brain imaging and Unhealthy Relationships with Food brain rehabilitation study on professional football players, which Supplements For the Brain demonstrated significant brain damage in a high percentage Eat From the Rainbow of retired players, but also the possibility for rehabilitation. Dr. Unnecessary Dairy Amen’s twelve popular television shows about the brain have The Daniel Plan raised more than 55 million dollars for public television. His ten The Optimal Diet for Alzheimer’s New York Times bestselling books include Change Your Brain, Family History of Sweets Change Your Life, and The Amen Solution. Dr. Amen will share A Legacy of Healthy Eating what tens of thousands of brain scans have taught him about how you can prevent dementia and optimize your brain’s health. Connect at: AmenClinics.com FoodRevolutionSummit.org © 2018 Food Revolution Network, Inc. All rights reserved. INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT Volume 7 Daniel Amen, MD Ocean Robbins: Welcome to the Food Revolution Summit, where we explore how you can heal your body and your world — with food. This is Ocean Robbins, and I am joined by my dad and colleague, John Robbins, in welcoming our guest Dr. Daniel Amen. If you love your brain and you want to stay sharp at every stage of your life, you’re gonna love this interview. Dr. Daniel Amen is a physician, a double board-certified psychiatrist, a 10-time New York Times bestselling author, founder of Amen Clinics, and a distinguished fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. Dr. Amen is the lead researcher on the world’s largest brain imaging and brain rehabilitation study on professional football players, which has established a scientific basis for profound problems in the sport of football and also pathways towards solutions.1 Dr. Amen’s 12 popular television shows about the brain have raised more than $55 million for public television. So now, Dr. Amen, we are so glad to have this time with you. For this interview, I’m gonna hand it over now to my dad, John Robbins. John Robbins: Well, thank you, Ocean. Thank you, Daniel, for being with us once again. Daniel Amen: What a joy for me to talk to both of you. John Robbins: Well, a joy to have your voice in our summit and reaching more and more people in the world with your very important, and very well-substantiated, documented, and proven message. We’re learning more and more today about how the food that we eat impacts our physical health. That’s becoming more and more well known and recognized, but somehow the idea that what we eat might influence our brain health and our mental health has been comparatively, and often, overlooked. I’ve read your wonderful new book, Memory Rescue, and if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that conditions including Alzheimer’s — and other forms of dementia — and also depression, attention deficit disorder, PTSD, even bipolar disorders, are all deeply influenced by the food we eat. Daniel, am I hearing you accurately? Daniel Amen: Yeah. Food is medicine, or it’s poison. We have this epidemic in the United States — it’s really global now — of toxic food leading to smaller brains and brains that are in trouble. I argue that we’re actually in a war for the health of our brains, everywhere we go. Everywhere. And I travel a lot. Someone’s [always] trying to shove bad food down your throat that will kill you early. [Those are] the real weapons of mass destruction. I’m not kidding when I say this; ISIS has nothing on our food industry. The real weapons of mass destruction are highly processed, pesticide-sprayed, high-glycemic, low-fiber, food-like substances stored in plastic containers that are destroying the health of America. And it’s not okay because my five grandbabies... their generation will never be able to afford the tsunami of illness that’s coming their way. 1 Daniel G. Amen et al. “Impact of Playing American Professional Football on Long-Term Brain Function,” Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences 23, no. 1 (2011): 98-106, doi: 10.1176/jnp.23.1.jnp98. t FoodRevolutionSummit.org © 2018 Food Revolution Network, Inc. All rights reserved. page 1 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT Volume 7 Daniel Amen, MD That’s a serious wake-up call. When you know Alzheimer’s disease is expected to triple in the next 25 years and all of the drug companies are actually getting out of the Alzheimer’s business because they won’t find one medicine. Medicine after medicine has failed. The answer is lifestyle. John Robbins: And an important part of that lifestyle is the food we eat. Everyone knows, really, that too much alcohol poisons the liver. It’s very widely recognized that smoking causes lung cancer, but for some reason, we don’t as readily see that brain fog and cognitive decline and dementia can be direct consequences of what we’re eating. Somehow, we have a hard time grasping that the brain is deeply damaged by poor food choices. Perhaps more so, even, than any other bodily system. Daniel, what do you say to those who have difficulty realizing that our cognitive health is inextricably linked to our overall health and that when we eat poorly and fail to optimally nourish our bodies, our brains, too, will suffer? Daniel Amen: Well, I think the science is just so clear that for people who argue with it, it’s like, “Come on. Do you read?” I published two studies, and other people have replicated it, that show as your weight goes up, the physical size and function of your brain goes down, which should scare the fat off anyone.2,3 But as blood sugar goes up, the size and function of the brain goes down. Obesity and diabetes are a direct result of the food we put in our body. It’s just painfully clear to me. And it’s funny; you know when I first started looking at the brain… That’s what we do at Amen Clinics. I have eight clinics around the country. We do a brain imaging study called SPECT that looks at blood flow and activity.4 Before I looked at my own brain, in 1991, I didn’t care one whit about it — and I’m a double board- certified psychiatrist, you know. Medical school, five years of post-graduate training, and I just didn’t care because I didn’t see it. But as soon as I started looking at it, I’m like, “Oh, this isn’t good. This needs to be better.” And how do you make it better? You stop hurting it and you start doing things that help it, and a major intervention is the food you eat. John Robbins: When we eat poorly — when we consume too much alcohol or eat junk food — we take toxins into our bodies that then course through our bloodstreams and enter our brains, where they can harm our brain’s ability to create new brain cells. As a result, our brains will begin to shrink, or atrophy, while healthy diets are strongly associated with bigger brain size. You’ve mentioned something about smaller brains. Daniel, is bigger better when it comes to the human brain? Daniel Amen: Generally, yes, bigger is better. Anything that makes it smaller, so alcohol. And just since you mentioned alcohol, so many people in the U.S. think alcohol is a health food. “Oh, I have to have my two glasses of red wine a day.” And I take that idea on in the book because alcohol’s directly related to seven different kinds of cancer. Why does my wife, who’s a nurse, put alcohol on your skin before she draws blood or gives you a shot? Because it kills bacteria. Well, what do you have in your gut? You have a hundred trillion 2 Kristen C. Willeumier, Derek V. Taylor, and Daniel G. Amen, “Elevated BMI Is Associated With Decreased Blood Flow in the Prefrontal Cortex Using SPECT Imaging in Healthy Adults,” Obesity 19, no. 5 (2011): 1095–97, doi: 10.1038%2Foby.2011.16. 3 Kristen C. Willeumier, Derek V. Taylor, and Daniel G. Amen, “Elevated Body Mass in National Football League Players Linked to Cognitive Impairment and Decreased Prefrontal Cortex and Temporal Pole Activity,” Translational Psychiatry 2, no. 1 (2012): e68, doi: 10.1038%2Ftp.2011.67. 4 “SPECT Research,” Amen Clinics, https://www.amenclinics.com/the-science/spect-research/. t FoodRevolutionSummit.org © 2018 Food Revolution Network, Inc. All rights reserved. page 2 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT Volume 7 Daniel Amen, MD bacteria, viruses, fungus and so on. Alcohol’s just not a health food. So, if we get that out of the way, less is clearly better. But when it comes to your brain, everything that shrinks it is bad for it. John Robbins: Is there a link between brain size and obesity? Daniel Amen: There is. In fact, these two studies I published... So the original study was published in 2008 or 2009 at the University of Pittsburgh by my friend Cyrus Raji, and they looked at MRI studies.5 What they found is people who are overweight, who had a BMI between 25 and 30, had eight percent less volume in their brain — and their brains looked significantly older.