1416 the Disneyfication of Our Past, Present and Future
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#1416 The Disneyfica1on of Our Past, Present and Future JAY TOMLINSON - HOST, BEST OF THE LEFT: [00:00:00] Welcome to this episode of the award-winning Best of the Le; podcast in which we shall learn about the culture that Disney has helped create and how they did it using cuteness as a weapon to push ideas from racist stereotypes and segrega@on to the more recent masterful use of hollow nods towards progressivism while reinforcing the ethics of individualism in order to give systemic injus@ce a pass. Clips today are from Propaganda, S@ll Processing, Lindsay Ellis, American Hysteria, WisecracK, it's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders and CracKed. The Racial Poli1cs of Disney Animals Part 1 - Popaganda from @BitchMedia - Air Date 8-28-15 SARAH MIRK - HOST, POPAGANDA: [00:00:40] These days, Disney is one of the most influen@al media companies in the world. It's hard to believe that Disney almost went banKrupt right a;er it got started. In 1940, the studio had sunK $2.3 million into making epic musical worK Fantasia. The movie was a financial loss and Disney had eXceeded its loan limits. So the studio turned to a simple story of a flying elephant to make some money. Dumbo was born. In the film, Dumbo was befriended by a group of crows. Maybe you saw Dumbo as a Kid and didn't thinK too much about it. But listen again to that crow song. EXCERPT FROM DUMBO: [00:01:31] Did you ever see an elephant fly? Well, I seen a horsefly! I seen a dragonfly! I seen a housefly. I seen all that too. I seen a peanut stand, heard a rubber band. I seen a needle that winKed its eye. But I be done seen about everything, when I seen a elephant fly! What you say, boy? SARAH MIRK - HOST, POPAGANDA: [00:01:58] These crows are clearly standing in for blacK people. They're way of speaking, their clothes, even their name are racial stereotypes. The main bird's name is Jim Crow, in reference to America's racial segrega@on laws. Some of the crows are voiced by blacK actors, but Jim Crow himself was portrayed by Cliff Edwards, a white actor and uKulele player, be_er Known for voicing Jimminy CricKet. CLIFF EDWARDS: [00:02:23] [singing] When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are. SARAH MIRK - HOST, POPAGANDA: [00:02:32] Many people have eXamined the racial poli@cs of Disney animals over the years. The documentary film Mickey Mouse Monopoly eXplores this issue along with other cri@cal perspec@ves on Disney. Here's a clip from the documentary, which starts with a scene from Tarzan and includes quotes from two media scholars and two small children. DOCUMENTARY SPEAKER #1: [00:02:52] Ahhhhhhhh [Tarzan yell] Kids in Africa see it. They see a white man in Africa who's superior, swinging from trees and there they see no Africans. And they see gorillas as being the ones they relate to. Is it promo@ng white supremacy? DOCUMENTARY CHILD #1: [00:03:12] I never seen any blacK people in this nice movie? DOCUMENTARY CHILD #2: [00:03:16] I can't thinK of any Disney movies that have blacK people that are good. DOCUMENTARY SPEAKER #2: [00:03:23] Disney has very few Asian or Asian American characters in their children's films. And that's probably why the Siamese cat really stand out for me. The ques@on is, what type of stories get invented, circulated, perpetuated in the public imagina@on, and why? SARAH MIRK - HOST, POPAGANDA: [00:03:44] Scholar, writer and ac@vist Walidah Imarisha is someone who's been thinKing hard about what story Disney tells and why. She teaches a class on race and Disney films at Portland State University. Her class does a deep read on Disney, looKing at the role that animated animals play in defining percep@ons of race, class, and gender. You heard Walidah if you listen to our episode on feminism and Sci-fi where she spoKe up for the rights of droids in Star Wars. I'm happy to welcome Walidah bacK to our show. It's always such a thrill to have her on. What are the requirements of your class on race and Disney films is for students to write a personal essay about their history with Disney films. So something you could tell us about your history with Disney. Did you watch a lot of Disney as a Kid? And when did you start thinKing cri@cally about the way Disney uses animals, with an eye on race specifically? WALIDAH IMARISHA: [00:04:36] Sure. I thinK it's really important for us to acKnowledge the Kind of ways that Disney has influenced all of us. And I thinK that, I feel liKe people either love Disney, or love to hate Disney, and o;en@mes are Kind of thinKing about it in a holis@c way. And so I thinK for students coming into the class, it's really hard to cri@que Disney, right? Because Disney has been part of the vast majority of our lives, since before we could remember a @me without Disney. And I thinK it's really important to recognize that's actually part of Disney's marKe@ng plan. And their goal is to get folKs when they're babies, which is why they marKet products to babies, to get folKs before they Know that there's such a thing as a world without Disney. And and to inculcate themselves in this magical realm and this idea of nostalgia so that they actually don't fall within the realm of cri@que. Pre_y much every term I'm accused of ruining people's childhoods. And so my goal is to try and find a way to acKnowledge that emo@onal connec@on while s@ll saying -- and that actually means we have to cri@que it even more, not less. SARAH MIRK - HOST, POPAGANDA: [00:05:49] That's funny you point out that I personally can't remember a @me before I Knew about Disney. It's just always a part of your culture and always a part of your life. It's Disney is such a cultural touchstone for our pop culture. It's where it all begins. WALIDAH IMARISHA: [00:06:04] Yeah, absolutely. I thinK that can't be overstated and, again, that that is a concerted effort by the Disney corpora@on to do that. And and to infuse itself into every part of American culture. The other thing about Disney is that Disney worKs so hard so people won't thinK about it as a corpora@on. And it's been incredibly successful at that. And many of my students have an incredible hard @me thinKing of Disney as a corpora@on. And I'll say, oKay, what is the defini@on of a corpora@on? And we'll go through it. What is the point of a corpora@on? To make money for its shareholders. Students are very clear about that. I'm liKe, what is the point of the Disney Corpora@on? To make people happy? Because Disney has done a phenomenal job of marKe@ng itself in a global conteXt. 40 Acres and a Movie - S1ll Processing - Air Date 4-8-21 JENNA WORTHMAN - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:06:52] There is something inherently appealing about the moral impera@ve of these movies, right? This fight against evil. You’ve got Steve Rogers who con@nues to be this voice of reason about the dangers of fascism, the dangers of dictatorship, the dangers of governments having too much power, right? Because the government in these movies is constantly trying to apprehend and control and wrangle and have access to all this intergalac@c wizardry, I guess, for lacK of a be_er word. WESLEY MORRIS - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:07:20] Steve Rogers being Captain America, of course. JENNA WORTHMAN - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:07:22] Yes, Steve Rogers, Captain America. And liKe I said, I do thinK that it was really reassuring. I mean, there’s these moments in “Endgame,” I mean, I’m embarrassed to say, but I was gelng kind of choked up. You Know, in the scene in “Endgame” when everybody’s assembling and everybody’s there. Everybody’s pulng down their differences. And they’re liKe, we have to defeat Thanos because humanity. And it’s not even just humanity, it’s liKe the — WESLEY MORRIS - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:07:48] the galaXy. JENNA WORTHMAN - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:07:49] Yes, the galaXy. ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: [00:07:50] Archived Recording [BlacK Panther] JENNA WORTHMAN - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:07:55] there was something about watching that scene in late february and feeling a lot of despair and a lot of desola@on. I mean, there’s s@ll horrible things happening in this country. And then turning on this movie and watching hundreds, dozens, millions of species, intergalac@c beings come together, uni@ng against one shared cause, I mean, it made your girl emo@onal. And it’s cheesy and it’s corny, but it really meant something to me. But then, that moment passed. The sun came out in new YorK. We also had daylight savings @me, which I also liKe to call “depression switch @me,” OK? WESLEY MORRIS - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:08:38] Wow. JENNA WORTHMAN - HOST, STILL PROCESSING: [00:08:38] My mood improved.