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Thursday Volume 517 4 November 2010 No. 65 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Thursday 4 November 2010 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2010 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ Enquiries to the Office of Public Sector Information, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; e-mail: [email protected] 1025 4 NOVEMBER 2010 1026 schemes. We are talking about the nation’s front line in House of Commons protecting our environment. The Government claim to be the greenest ever, but is not the reality that the Thursday 4 November 2010 Secretary of State is prepared to sacrifice Natural England and our precious environment in a bid to win friends and credit at the Treasury? The House met at half-past Ten o’clock Mrs Spelman: I should like to countermand those suggestions. Natural England, in common with all the PRAYERS arm’s-length bodies in the DEFRA delivery network, is taking a pro rata reduction. It is required to make efficiency savings in the same way as the core Department [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] has to. None the less, there will be no changes in Natural England’s statutory functions. It will cease to undertake some activities, such as lobbying and policy Oral Answers to Questions making, which should rightly be the domain of the Department at the centre. Consideration is being given to options for improving the management of our national nature reserves because that is consistent with a big ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS society approach. Biodiversity The Secretary of State was asked— Natural England 2. Annette Brooke (Mid Dorset and North Poole) (LD): What plans her Department has to maintain levels of biodiversity. [21641] 1. Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con): What steps she is taking to reform Natural England; and if The Secretary of State for Environment, Food and she will make a statement. [21640] Rural Affairs (Mrs Caroline Spelman): Tackling biodiversity loss is one of my Department’s top priorities. I have just The Secretary of State for Environment, Food and returned from international negotiations in Nagoya Rural Affairs (Mrs Caroline Spelman): First, I welcome where the UK played a pivotal role in securing agreement the hon. Member for Wakefield (Mary Creagh) and her on the ambitious new framework to halt biodiversity new team to the Front Bench. I enjoyed cordial relations loss. The challenge now is to implement this domestically.In with her predecessors in the short time we were opposite the spring, I intend to publish a White Paper outlining each other and I hope that cordiality will continue. the Government’s vision for the natural environment, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural backed up with practical action to deliver that ambition. Affairs has been working closely with Natural England on substantial reforms to transform it into a leaner, Annette Brooke: I thank the Secretary of State for her more efficient front-line delivery body that is focused answer. Given the Government’s intention to sell off a strongly on the Government’s ambitions for the substantial part of the forest estate, what measures will environment. be in place to ensure the biodiversity potential of this land and to ensure that the commitments in the Forestry Julian Smith: I thank the Secretary of State for that Commission’s forest design plans will be fully implemented? response. Will she give a little more detail regarding the Mrs Spelman: I can give the hon. Lady clear assurances impact of the comprehensive spending review on the on this point, but we need to start with a little myth-busting two stewardship schemes that are run by Natural England on the back of press speculation. Only 18% of forests and how she sees that impact progressing in coming and woodland in England are owned by the state and it years? is wrong to confuse ownership with any suggestion of a reduction in biodiversity. It is quite right, and in the Mrs Spelman: I am delighted to tell my hon. Friend spirit of the coalition agreement, to consider giving the that as a result of the comprehensive spending review, community who live nearest to the forest the opportunity both types of stewardship scheme will be maintained. to own it, as that community and civil society are most There will be new entrants to both the entry-level and likely to give it the best protection. Finally, I should like the higher-level stewardship schemes. We have ambitions to reassure her by clarifying that not one tree can be to increase by about 80% the number of farmers in the felled without a licence being issued by my Department. higher-level stewardship scheme and to increase qualitatively In the last analysis, we are committed to forest biodiversity the environmental benefits provided under the entry-level and to enhancing biodiversity. Our forests are among scheme. the richest of our genetic resources and we have every intention of protecting them. Sir Peter Soulsby (Leicester South) (Lab): Natural England is the nation’s principle conservation agency Mr Speaker: We need to be pithier from now on. That and our champion of biodiversity. In the name of should be pretty clear. reform, the Government are leaving it with no choice but to hand over 140 national nature reserves to anyone Mary Creagh (Wakefield) (Lab): May I begin by who will take them on, to put our network of national thanking the Secretary of State for welcoming me to my trails up for grabs and to cut back on the expert support new role and for the briefing that she gave me on that is vital to delivering the environmental stewardship Nagoya? I am sure that the whole House will join me in 1027 Oral Answers4 NOVEMBER 2010 Oral Answers 1028 welcoming the new fund that the Government have Forestry Commission pledged in order to deliver international biodiversity benefits through international forestry. 3. Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East) (Lab): What recent On Government plans to maintain biodiversity at estimate she has made of the monetary value of the home, however, we have seen a series of deeply worrying land managed by the Forestry Commission. [21643] moves from the right hon. Lady over the past three months. The Government plan to sell off or simply give 10. Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green): away 140 national nature reserves; our national parks, What plans she has to sell or lease part of the Forestry which a Labour Government began in 1949, will suffer Commission estate. [21652] a catastrophic 30% cut to their budgets, leaving park workers unemployed, our national trails abandoned The Minister of State, Department for Environment, and precious habitats neglected; and her Department Food and Rural Affairs (Mr James Paice): There is an has announced a review of England’s forests, seeing ongoing programme of sales run by the Forestry them sold to the highest bidder—asset stripping our Commission, year on year, to achieve operational efficiency. natural heritage. Is it not the case that she preaches In the 2009-10 accounts, the public forest estate in environmental evangelism around the world and practices England was valued at £700 million. That is the net environmental vandalism at home? book value; it does not necessarily reflect the true market value. I intend to consult on proposals for new Mrs Spelman: That is a disappointing opener from ownership options for the public forest estate in England, the hon. Lady. She appears not to understand that her and on how to secure the important public benefits that own party when in government would have had to make they provide. cuts, and there will be no credibility to her accusations unless she tells the House where she would have made Kerry McCarthy: I think that for once, given the savings. In any event, however, there is no suggestion answers that we have heard today, The Daily Telegraph that we are poised to sell off nature reserves. Can she might be right, because it says that the Government not see that it is not necessarily for the state to do cannot see the forest for the fees. However, can the everything? The Wildlife Trusts welcome the opportunity Minister give a categorical assurance that, contrary to to be more involved in the management of our nature other press reports, if Government-owned forest is sold reserves. off, it will not be sold off to developers to be turned into things such as Center Parcs and golf courses? Mary Creagh indicated dissent. Mr Paice: I am delighted to have the opportunity to debunk that absurd notion. As my right hon. Friend the Mrs Spelman: The hon. Lady shakes her head, but I Secretary of State has said, before trees can be felled, suggest that she ask them. As for selling off the forests, one requires a felling licence from the Forestry Commission. she just heard my explanation that it is wrong to confuse The Forestry Commission will continue to have that ownership with the quality of environmental protection, role, even through those disposals, if that is what happens; and I believe that the communities and charities that and, of course, planning consent would be required to would like to be more involved in protecting and enhancing undertake any of those things, such as golf courses or our forest biodiversity welcome our suggestions. Center Parcs. We have no intention of seeing our forest damaged; we want to maintain the public benefits that Mary Creagh: The truth is that the Government have we already have.