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15270 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thursday 7 April 2005 ______ Mr Speaker (The Hon. John Joseph Aquilina) took the chair at 10.00 a.m. Mr Speaker offered the Prayer. CIVIL LIABILITY AMENDMENT (OFFENDER DAMAGES) BILL ROAD TRANSPORT (GENERAL) BILL Messages received from the Legislative Council returning the bills without amendment. INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION AMENDMENT BILL NOXIOUS WEEDS AMENDMENT BILL Messages received from the Legislative Council returning the bills with amendments. Consideration of amendments deferred. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Order of Business: Suspension of Standing and Sessional Orders Motion by the Hon. Carl Scully agreed to: That standing and sessional orders be suspended to allow the consideration forthwith of the Legislative Council amendment to the Independent Commission Against Corruption Amendment Bill. INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION AMENDMENT BILL In Committee Consideration of the Legislative Council's amendment. Schedule of the amendment referred to in message of 6 April Page 19, Schedule 1 [64], proposed section 116A, lines 9-17. Omit all words on those lines. Legislative Council's amendment agreed to on motion by Mr Neville Newell. Resolution reported from Committee and report adopted. Message sent to the Legislative Council advising it of the resolution. CONSTITUTION AMENDMENT (PLEDGE OF LOYALTY) BILL Second Reading Debate resumed from 12 May 2004. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG (Lachlan) [10.05 a.m.]: It is with no sense of excitement at all that I participate in this debate today, for one fundamental reason. Out in the streets, on the farms, in the playgrounds and schools, in the workplaces, the homes, the institutions of this State, people are concerned with their own wellbeing, the community wellbeing and the wellbeing of the State of New South Wales and this country. They expect us—and have every right to expect us—their elected representatives, to give primary and preferential 7 April 2005 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY 15271 consideration to their wellbeing, singly and collectively, to the betterment of our State and their future. Instead, at a cost of probably—you may help me here, Mr Speaker—nearly half a million dollars a day, we are going to debate the Constitution Amendment (Pledge of Loyalty) Bill. In the explanatory note the overview of the bill states: The objects of this Bill are: (a) to replace the oath of allegiance to the Queen and her successors taken by Members of Parliament with a pledge of loyalty to Australia and to the people of New South Wales, and (b) to replace the oath of allegiance, the oath of service to the Queen and the special Executive Councillor's oath taken by Members of Parliament when they become Ministers and members of the Executive Council with a pledge of loyalty and a single Executive Councillor's oath. I suspect that if every media outlet across New South Wales reported the entire debate tonight, not one family would say, "I feel better for it, it has improved my life". Mr Anthony Roberts: Has it fixed my life? Not much. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Exactly. Has it fixed my hospitals, my public transport? Has it put more police on the streets? Has it put more teachers in the schools? Has it assisted people in the workplace? Has it made it a safer country? Has it secured title for homes and land and made things easier? It is up to the Government to explain to us how we will be better off. I am quite happy to be convinced of that today, if it is possible. At the end of each parliamentary sitting day or week, the public has a right to know how we have made a difference to the average household. I am blowed if I can understand how this will make any difference at all to the betterment of the average household in the State. Many sayings were attributed to the late Sir Winston Churchill. One of those was the definition of democracy. He said democracy is a flawed system of government but is superior to anything else that is available. Mr Alan Ashton: He said it was the worst form of government. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Yes, indeed, he probably did, but it is superior to anything else. You are quite right, my friend, we agree on one subject only, after years. This is reflected in this place. This is a democratic Parliament and every one of us is elected according to democratic principles by popular vote. No matter how dumb we might be each of us has managed to convince 50 per cent plus one person in our electorate to vote for us. We have a microcosm of the broader society among the 93 members in this Chamber. We have the idiots, the nonconformists, the social misfits, the abusers of privilege, those with no sense of history, those with no pride and those with total and absolute self-interest. Mr SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member for East Hills will come to order. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: The honourable member for Liverpool has taken no polls and has had no discussions. He will not be able to present letters from his constituents today to say that they are interested in what he is doing to further his own quite obscure political beliefs. The bill was introduced by the honourable member for Liverpool, a member who has no future and who is going nowhere at all in politics. Mr Alan Ashton: He is, here. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Here? I thank the honourable member for East Hills for saying that. The honourable member for Liverpool is getting $106,000 a year plus other benefits—the best job he is ever likely to get in this country—but only because he has managed to persuade 50 per cent plus one of his constituents to vote for him. The attitude of those opposite is perverse to those who respect the value of history and live in one of the most respected countries in the world today. Modesty does not prevent me from saying that Australia is probably the most sought after country in the world today to live in, which is evidenced by the number of people seeking to migrate to our country and by our population growth. New South Wales is the oldest seat of government and the oldest State in this country, and it has served this nation well. The honourable member who introduced the bill did not take into account that when we take an oath to Her Majesty, the Queen of Australia, we take that oath to the office, and not necessarily the incumbent. The incumbents will change, as they have throughout history, but we respect the office that has stood us in good stead for the past 200 years, that has allowed this State and this nation to develop from a very ordinary start in the harshest, flattest, driest and lowest continent in the world, a continent that was inhabited originally by 15272 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY 7 April 2005 indigenous people and then settled mainly by convicts. Our country had an inglorious start, but we have developed a wonderful country under the current Constitution. Why do those opposite who believe in changing the fabric of our society, our Constitution, not change the Greek names like Orkopoulos, for instance, to Smith? Mr Alan Ashton: He tried that, but you blokes wouldn't let him. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: I heard it was the right wing of the Labor Party that rejected it. I got that on good authority, actually. Mr SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member for East Hills will come to order. I warn the honourable member for Swansea that I am watching his behaviour. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Let us be serious about this. As politicians, our duties are to provide health care, education, shelter as in homes, safety, a workplace, food, transport, happiness and a future for people singly and collectively. Our responsibility is not to come into this place and attack the fabric of our society by creating a nonsense debate that takes up the time and resources of this Parliament. Later today when the Labor Party passes the bill because it has the numbers, no family or individual in this State will be better off. The socialists are determined to destroy the fabric of our society. They do not like the 200-year history of this nation. They want to put the State in the hands of a group of socialists who have no leadership and no purpose, other than self-interest and a political agenda to destroy the fabric and structure of the system that has brought us to where we are today. Following the recent election every member of this House came into this Chamber pleased to be a member of the mother of Australian State parliaments. Suddenly they were on the payroll. All members looked up to the coat of arms above the Speaker's chair and various other Crown references around the Chamber and throughout the building. They signed the roll and took the money with no worries. Mr Anthony Roberts: The King's shilling. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Well put. I thank the honourable member for Lane Cove for his comment. Mr Alan Ashton: They took the King's shilling to go to World War I. You want to be careful on that one. Mr IAN ARMSTRONG: Honourable members should address the real issues. In the past few days we have heard about waiting lists, the extraordinary difficulty of getting into an operating theatre in the western suburbs because three theatres in a major hospital in the western suburbs have been closed, and the debacle when the personal health records of a citizen of New South Wales were spoken about publicly in this House and publicised by the Premier.