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Sandra (00:02): When I approached songwriting, I just really want to uphold God's light in the world in the way that we see it go out. So sometimes those are, that's a country song, sometimes that's a worship song, it could be all kinds of things. But when I think about the craft of songwriting, it's looking for the elimination of God in the world. Speaker 2 (00:24): You're listening to The Faith & Work Podcast, where we explore what it means to serve God, neighbor, and society through our daily work. Dustin (00:35): Hello and welcome to the Faith & Work Podcast. I'm Dustin Moody and I'm joined today by Joanna Meyer, our Director of Public Engagement. How's it going Joanna? Joanna (00:42): It's going really well Dustin, I'm recording from home. So I'm sitting here admiring the Christmas decorations in my house today. Dustin (00:49): So I'm glad you mentioned Christmas decorations. We're recording this in early December. The episode will come out in mid-December, so we're in advent season. Joanna, I'm curious, what is your favorite and least favorite Christmas music? Joanna (01:02): Okay. That's a dangerous question, Dustin. Dangerous, dangerous question. So I'm really picky when it comes to Christmas music, because I grew up in a home with my mom who was raised in South Africa, which at the time was a British colony. So she was exposed through her education and the churches she attended to some of the finest traditional British Christmas music. So I grew up with festivals of readings, and carols, and John Rutter, and The Cambridge Singers. So for me, classic Christmas music is where it's at. I cannot stand Mariah Carey, or songs like I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, gag me. That's like anathema to what Christmas really is, but give me some beautiful brass ensembles playing timeless Christmas carols, and I am in heaven. I also know my fair share of quirky English Christmas carols, like Jesus Christ the Apple Tree, which nobody's ever heard of. So if you want to expand your repertoire, go look up Jesus Christ the Apple Tree. How about you, Dustin? What are some of your favorites? Dustin (02:01): My response is a little weird as well. I actually do like Mariah Carey, All I Want For Christmas Is You. I feel like that's just how I enter into the season. So good for her. I try to see how long each year I can go without hearing Christmas Shoes, just because it's not on my list of favorites. But also for several years, I performed with the church in Orlando, and we had a unique arrangement of Oh Holy Night. That was just one of my all time favorite Christmas songs to play with the choir and vocalists. So a couple of favorites for different reasons. Joanna (02:32): S8E6: Sandra McCracken on Christmas and Songwriting Page 1 of 9 That's awesome. Well, today's an exciting day because we're going to have a touch of not just Christmas music, but a conversation built around music with singer-songwriter, Sandra McCracken. Dustin, will you tell us a little bit more about Sandra? Dustin (02:43): Yeah. Sandra may be a familiar voice to many of you, especially if you joined us at our fundraiser back in May 2018. Sandra is a songwriter, a modern day hymn writer, and a record producer. She's a founding member of Indelible Grace Music and Rain For Roots, and has been a guest writer for Art House America, She Reads Truth, The Gospel Coalition, Christianity Today, and RELEVENT magazine among many more. Today, we'll be talking with Sandra about her work as a songwriter, as well as her two most recent albums, Patient Kingdom. Sandra, thanks for joining us on the Faith & Work Podcast. Sandra (03:15): Hey, good to be with you, Dustin. Dustin (03:17): It's been a couple of years since we caught up with you, you joined us in 2018 for our fundraiser, and life's changed quite a bit for you in the last couple of years with marriage and baby. How are things going? How's your family navigating all this season? Sandra (03:29): Yeah. It's been a whirlwind since I saw you last for sure. As we've all had this unexpectedly, I guess I would say this is the year of improvisation, right? But then the year before that with getting married, I guess when I was out there with you all in Colorado, it was a week or two before Tim and I got married. So that was also just such a fun time and crazy, as I looked back to think about it, but it's been really good. I'm grateful for a lot of surprising gifts this year, even in all the strangeness of 2020. Joanna (04:00): Thanks for making us part of your year. Here at Denver Institute, we talk a lot about the intersection of Faith & Work on this podcast. For a Christian songwriter, that intersection can seem a little bit more obvious, but how has your faith shaped the way that you approach the craft of songwriting? Sandra (04:16): What a great question. I think when I think about that question, I think about a lot of the old hymns. There's one that comes to mind by a pastor from Upstate New York, named Maltbie Badcock, who has this hymn that's called, This Is My Father's World. There's a line in there that's been said many times before in other places too, but he shines in all of that's fair. When I think about songwriting, I think about trying to look at the world, just walking around and making observations of what I see, and how I feel, and how I relate to others, and how I see their stories. When I approached songwriting, I just really want to uphold God's light in the world and the way that we see it go out. So sometimes that's a country song, sometimes that's a worship song, it could be all kinds of things. But when I think about the craft of songwriting, it's looking for the elimination of God in the world. Joanna (04:16): S8E6: Sandra McCracken on Christmas and Songwriting Page 2 of 9 I love that. Dustin (05:13): Yeah. As you mentioned, you've written and performed for a broad range of audiences. Tell us a little bit more about what that process looks like? I'm curious how an idea goes from an idea to a song on an album or a performance. Sandra (05:27): When I started out song writing, I was really young, so I would journal as a little girl. Then once I was in about middle school, I remember sitting in class and daydreaming and writing. So especially in history class or in classes where there were stories, they would engage my imagination so much, and I would write in the margins, and I began writing songs. So the songs for me came up out of expression or responding to stories. Then over time become more, I think my aim now is to communicate with others, to connect to others in their story. I don't think I looked for that to become my job, I think it just was a thing that came out naturally. Then as I look back, I'm really grateful that that has been something that's also like, pay the electric bill. But that was not what I set out to do, I didn't really see that coming. Dustin (06:24): Well. Where did that change come from? What did you set out to do and how did songwriting and performing become the detour? Sandra (06:29): I wanted to be a school teacher, actually. I wanted to teach school and making music, and I think just being a mom and there are other ways that that is part of my story, I enjoy that. But I think around college, I started making recordings, and as I was living in Nashville, that's what you could do, you could have a little home studio, [inaudible 00:06:54] recordings and then it just grew from there. Grew up in St. Louis and then I've been in Tennessee since the mid 90s for quite a while. Joanna (07:04): You were from the right city, for someone that wants to ease your way, [crosstalk 00:07:07]. Dustin (07:07): Right. Joanna (07:08): Yeah. Sandra (07:09): There are a lot of avenues, you don't have to just go in and get a record deal and make some money. There's just a lot of ways to be creative and to make that work. It's almost like I would draw a parallel that it's like a family farm. You have a little plot of land, and sometimes you can grow corn, and sometimes you grow wheat. One way or another, you make it work to where you can live through the Winter. S8E6: Sandra McCracken on Christmas and Songwriting Page 3 of 9 Dustin (07:32): Yeah. What does it look like to overcome obstacles, or roadblocks, or just breaks in your creativity? I have to imagine as an artist, there's times that you're working on an album, or preparing for something where it just doesn't feel like you're getting much out of it.