LOK SABHA DEBAT~S (English Version)

Weclaescla" March 19, 1986 Eight" Serle., Vol. XIV No. l' Plaalguaa 28, 1907 (&aka) •

Fifth Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

( Vol. XIV contains Nos. 11 to 20 )

LOK SABRA SECRETARIA. T NEW DELHI Price: Ra. 4.00 [Orilinal EnSliih proceedinp included ill Enllisla Version and Original Hindi proceedinss -inCluded in Hinc1i VenioD Will be treated as authoritative and not the traoSJatioD tbeRof.) COLUMNS Oral ~nswers to Q~estions : ·Starred Questions Nos. 346 to 3S1 and 3SS 1-35

Written Answers to Questions : 35-169 Starred QueStions Nos. 353, 354, 356 to. 366 3S-47

Un starred Questions Nos. 3375 to 3390, and 3392 to 3501 47-]69

Question of Privilege Against Shri S. B. Chavan, Fonner Minister of Home Affairs and Shri Arun Nehru, Minister of State in the Department of Internal Security. 16~-173

Papers Laid on the Table 174-176

MClsaae from Rajya. Sabba 176

Announcement Re : Group Photograph of ~Iembers 176-177

Committee OD Private Members' Bills and Resolutfons- 177 Fourteenth Report-· Pre::,ented

Public Accounts ComRl,i~te.e- , 177 TwentY·Sixth and Twenty Seventh Reports- Presented

'·Tho Siln+marked above the n~tllC of a ,Memb~r indioA.te, that the question Wli .....U, 'asked OQ' th~ floo.r or the HO\1se by that Member ~ (il)

COLUMN.

STATEMENTS UNDER DIRECTION 11~ 178-112

(1) Rc: Infornlation given by Minister of State in the Department or Agri.. culture and Cooperation on 10th March 1986 during the discussion on drouaht and Katural Cal~mitie8. Shri P. Kolandaivelu 878

(il) In reply to the points made by Sbri P. Kolandaivelu. MP. rc : Information given by the Minister of State in the Departmeni of Agriculture and Coopera- tion on 10th March, 1986 durins the discussion on drought aad Natural Calamities 179 Shri Yogendra Makwana

ELBCTION TO COMM1TTEB- 183 Central Advisory Committee for the National Cadet Corps

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377- IM-1S9 ' (i) Need to direct the State Government to stop de·forestation in the district of Bastar in Madhya Pradesh and instea d make arrangements to supply \\ood franl BoJhghat subl'l)erged areas to the consumer stores of the district Shri Mankuram Sodi 113

(H) Need to draw up a National programme to cele.. brate the·125th Birth Anniversary of Gurudeb Rabindra Nath Tagore Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi 184

(iii) Maintenance, Protection and renovation of Konark, Bhubaneswar. Puri and other temples of India's cultural heritage in Orissa Sbri Brajamobao Mohanty 185

(iv) Need for an Eastern India Development Council to ensure the balanced development of eastern India, particularly West Bengal d'urinl Seventh Five Year Plan. Shri Asutosh Law 186 (v) Need to improve the working of St. Thomas Mount~cum-Pallavaram Cantonment Board, Madras Shrimati Vyjayanthitnala Bal i . 187 (ut) ...... (vi) M.ed to look into the ••tiq a'...... for handicapped candid.tel ...... rial ia" Banklnl Service Recruitment Boa" ...... , .. held In Bansalore Shri V. S. Krf.hna lyer 117

<... 11) Need to allocate adequate fuad. b, Qeatralli. Board for improvement of Serle... .hi Anantapur distriot of ADdhr. Prad_ Shri Ie, B.amachaDdra ...., III

(.UI) Need to .tart new trains from EaDp. to ....,. Delhi and Lucknow and al.o to ...... tile reservation quota for ~D"'" i. aaj4llanl ElIprcas Sbri Jaldiah Awalthi •• DIMAMJi)S FOa GR.ANTS (GENBRAL), lt86-17 1__ 257 MINISTRY OF PBTROLBUM AND NATUllAL GAl Dr. G. Vjjaya Rama aao .. 191

Shri P. C. Sethi 1M Shri Anoopchand Shah %10

Shri R. P. Das 101 Sbri Virdhi Cbander Jain .. Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev 211

Sbri V. S. ltrilhha Iyet II.

Shri 8.. leevaratblnam

Shri B. Ie. Gadbvl

Shri Paral Cba] iba

Shri Ajay Mahtan Shrimati Basavarajcswarl

Shri Rameahwar Neekhra I~

Shrl Balwant Sin,h a&moewalia 147

Dr. G. S Rajbans 251

Shri Banwart Lal Purohit Shr. Vijay Kumar Yadav ( t'l

DISCUSSION BE : -meNPe~ f)P PRISONMS 258-310 nOM TIHAR JAIL ON 1t6t. March, 1916 "k" .,;.!_. J' . "1 Prof. Madhu Dandavate 258 8hri Satyencira Narayan Sill. 272 Shri SolDDatb Chatter joe 275

...;:" " ._. r Sbri Pri),. R~ J)u." Mull 282 Shri P. Kolandaiv. 287 Shri Sbantaram Naill 287 Shri Balwant Singh Ral1\90walia 290 ...... ' Shri zaitmi; ....l 2t2 Shri R.amlisilr~y Praad Slqh 294 Shrl Harish R.awat Z9S Shri Ie. P. Unnikrishnan 297 . Prof. Saifuddin S" 300 Dr. G. S. Ra,;lifts 303 Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha 304 LOK. SABRA DRBATES

LOX-SABHA beings. Air is polluted by chemical dust., lases, va pours, fumes, etc. resulting in decrease of oxygen content which is essential for human life, and increase of carbon-di-' oxide and poisonous gases in atmospheric air' W~4nesda'yJ March 19, 1986/Pha1,I1M 28, which endangers human life by suffocation 1907 (Saka) or irriation when inhaled, the nightmare of '. which is the Bhopal gas traledy. Water pollution is the result of cbemi•... cals and hot water when dumped into Tlii! Lok Silbha mel at El.ven ollhe Clock .treams and lakes by industries leading to the deterioration .of water due to the destruction of biological cycle of natural water. ~MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] I know it is impossible to attain an environment absolutely free of poll uti ) nit ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the process of economic growth of the country with rapid industrialisation, but I feeln , [English] Government must set standrads which allow for tolerable aU10unt of pol1ution ..••.. I Delusion of "pollution" in Union' ist (lnierruptlons). . AN HON. MEMBER: What is the ·346. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : Will question, Sir? the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: MR. SPEAKER: She is trying to come to the quest ion, (a) whether the attention of G.vernment has been drawn to the discontentment DR. T. KALPANA DEVl; I am com- due to pollution from two fertiliser manu- ing to the question. The Multitec Interna- facturing units in Dharuhel'a near Rewari, tional Ltd. and Oriental Carbon and Haryana ; and Chemical Ltd. are liberating untreated noxious, poisonous gases from suJphuric (b) whether Oc,vernment would make ~cid plant, ruining vegetation and the stand- the subject of pollution from all sources as ina crops, and playing havoc to the health, a Central subject in view of its impact on of human beings and animals. So, I wou.ld .. ' national life and economy? like to know whether before giving permi.. , THE MINISTER OF STAT.~ IN THE sion for setting up these fertilizer plants, . MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND the p( lIution Board of Haryana was con- FORESTS (SHIR Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) "'Y. es. sulted and whether permission was obtained. Sir. If not, what are the reasons and ~h.t rractica I steps are being taken to ensure (b) No. Sir; However t a proposal for preventive action rather than post mtJ"'t'In' inclusion of 'Environmental Protection' in steps to be taken by the Pollution cOntro1 the .Concurr(l'nt List is under considera- Board in the above cases, and also how tion. many cases have come to the notice of the~' Board during the last three years a nd the: .DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : Mr. Speaker actioa taken on them? Sir•. poI1UtiOD is the dangerous contamina- tic:m :of the' ecological system. Air, water MR. SPEAKER! She has burnt mid... and tound pollution are endanger'ing the night oil for preparation of this question. pl11tiQal and lllCDtat health of livin, $0 1 have allowe

SHltl Z. R. ANSARI: Sir, as far as Concurrent list. But, apart from briD.I. these two industrial undertakings arc con- it in Concurrent list, there are cartaia cerned, a complaint was received by the other provisions whereby Parliamoot local Magistrate, and the Sub .. O.v{sidntU' :Iis !com~te'ftt'-'tb ~'enact legislation under Malistrate took an action under section 133 Articles 248 and 253 of the COD.titu- of the Cr.P .e. to shut down these two tion. It was under these orovitioal of industrial underta kings. Article 253 that Air Pollution Control Act ,Tllese und·!rtakings went to th e High was passed by this Parliament. Co.ut., The honourable High Court vaca- SHRI RANJIT SINGH GABKWAD : t~d" the order of closure and ordered for Pollution has been causing great havoc in tb.' further, invcstigation~ After investigation country. Other countries have already taken a Group was formed and certain standarcs some steps to control pollution and action- were prescribed ~ certain actions have been has been taken by them in this regard and prescribed to be taken by these two indus.. they are very advanced also. But we are ltill trial undertakings. Some of those actions discussing what steps we have to take about they had taken. Where certa'n rl1achinel y is ~ontrolling poUution. I would like to know involved they have placed order for the from the Honourable Minister what con- machinery. This is the posnion 'with regard crete steps are going to be taken in the near to -tbese two industrial undertakings. We future because during the last sillt months are very much aware about the pollution three time~ gas leakage pollution bas crea- which is being created by industrial under~ ted havoc among the people in my consti. takings and we are taking steps to mon itor tuency. The resident authorities still do not tbete th ings. know what to do about it and how to . face OR. T. KALPANA DE VI : My second such a tragedy. So, what are the steps question is this. llow long it wil1 be under which Government propose to take if sucb consideration? May I know whether any (If a thing happens again? This, I would like the States were consul ted? If so • what are to know from the hon. Minister. the reactions especially of States like Har.. yana, Andhra Pradesh, W~Sl Benga 1 and SHRI Z.R. ANS A Rl : Sir, actually Karnataka ? it is for this cnvironmenta I protection that in the last Session of this Parliament I MR. SPEAKER; He has not said that h ave given an assurance that we propose there was anything under cdosideration. to bring a comprehensIve Bill for environ- nlental protection and, Sir, I assure this DR. T KALPANA nEVI: He said it honourable House that in this very Session in hi. answer, Sir. Ho\\ long it will be under we will bring that Bill for environment consideration? May I know whether any protection. It will cever l~ll lht t ~I'tfc of the States were consulted? If so, what of pollution and environmental protectce arC'the reactions of the States, especially, under its umbrella apart from the Ai on States of Haryana, Andhra Pradesh, West wh ich are already there. We are 8l1lt ....1 and Karnataka ? suggesting to bring certain amendment ion the existing laws controJling air and waWJ . SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : I think I was not pollution so tha t the Act may become more clear. I have not sugges~ed that anything stringent and provides the teeth to these consideration. Certain standards Under Acts So that against those factories which whi~h'I have been pr\!scr ibed have been com- are polluting the atm()sphere or the water, municated. I think she is referring to part strong action may be taken. (b) or the question where I have replied tha~ 'a proposal for inclusion of ("Dviron- S'HRI SURESH KURUP I want t.o mental protection in the Concurrent List draw the attention of the Prime ~Jjni.ter 11 Qpder consider~tion. The point is this. to a very important matter, i.e., about the Potlome time it is being felt that this problem (: f pollut ion in the Indian Ilare subject should be brought under the Con .. Earths Factor,y a t Bloor, 'C()(hill. AtlOId- current List. A Committee was appointed ing to some unofficial studies the iDCido~ce ~ Mr. N D. Tiwari. the then PJan,ni.ng of cancer among the employees of' ,Ulil MiDi.Jter wh.ich rcc.)mmenr.ied that environ- Indian Rare Earths is velY high. Children 8mtal protection should be brouaht under are born 4eformed beCC}.\lse of lbil poUutio~' PHALGUMA 28.,190' (SAKA) Oral AnJK'erl an4; unforfun ateJy this factory does not PROF. N.O. RANOA: Sir, it does cotOe under the purview of the PoHution not mean that each onc of the farmers haa, Control Board. So, I want a cateaol ica 1 aot to go to the court in order to get com· reply from the Prime Minister on what pensation. Should not the Government mC!l's"ures wilt be adopted to control the themselves on their own take action and pollution or whether a high level inquiry pav compensation on the representation committee win be constituted to Inquire that has alreany been made by theIn, Sir ?, into tbis pollution incidence in the Indian MR. SPEAKER: Question No. 347- Rare Earths Patcory. Shri Sriballav Panigrahi. , 'SHRI Z.R. ANSARI: Sir, I am afraid, 'Iran-Iraq War for" this "particular question, ab(~ut this particular factory I would require notice. + ·347. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHl: THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI SARI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: RAJI'V GANDHI); If the hon. Member Will the Minister of EXTERNAL gives us the details, we will definitely have AFFAIRS be pleased to state: the compla int looked into. (a) Nhether the renewed escalation of ,RAO, BIRENDRA SINGH: Thank the Iran-Iraq conflict has caused conside,r- you for allowing me to put the question, able anguish to India as both the countries Sir, because this question pertains to my are friendly to India and also rellow conatituency. menlbers of the NAM ;

, Sir, I would like to ask the hon. (b) whether it is a fact that this con- Minister whether it has been brought to flict in in the sixth year and has cost both his notice that large cropped a reas have the countries incalculably in terms of Joss been damaged on account of pollution of human life and resulted in destruction from these two ferti1izcr units fj om year of property and retardation of the process to year during the past three or four years of growth and development ~ and and whether the Governmen t would consider in the proposed Bill provision of (c) if so the latest moves made by India compensation to farmers when their crops to end this conflict? suffer in such areas, whether any action .'~~ TI-I E l\1INISTER OF EXTERNAL has been taken on the representation of AFFAIRS (SHRI B.R. BHAOAT): (a) a large number of fanners in this regard Yes. Sir. The Government has issued a to .-oompensate them for the loss to their statement on 18 February, 1986 convey- crops due to pollution from these two ing India's anguish and concern for the fertilizer units. renewed escalation of Iran-Iraq conflict. ,', SHRI Z.R. ANSARI: Sir, I have (b) Yes, Sir. already told that with regard to these two units the complaint was lodged with th"" (c) In its statenlcnt issued on February S~b·Djvisional Magistrate and he took 18, 1986 the Government hus called upon 8~tion undet Section, 133 of the Cr .P. C. both the countr ies to cease hostilitie,. immediately and to move away from tho As far as the datnage to crops is COll- path of conflict and confl Ot1 tat ion to a cerned, the provision in the civil laws is to negotiated peaceful settlement. India hal file a suit for the damRges against those l'xpressed its readiness to ~sl)ist them in a factories. (Interruptions).' Sir, for the sincele and constructive manner to bting present we do not have enough provisions about a just, comprehensive and honout.. tet take any action under the present pol- able solution of the diffe! cnces between tho lution control laws which are th\!re-- Air two platies. PoUuli n and Water Pollut ion Control Acts. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANJGRA81,~ Sir. thanks to the Govt!rnm~ot of India -'.' MR. SPEAKER: Now, Question No. for their sin,,:crc efforts nntJc on nlore t4aQ, 347. one occ;~sion lo briDS lh~ee two waniD, , Oral Answ", MARCH 19, 19M 8

natipns to negotiating table, as an effort isation) and other bodies intorested iD to .put an cnd to this long war. But such bringing an end to this long war goin. on efforts are not yet successful. Therefore, in the Gulf region as early as possible" " 1 would like to know from the hon. Mini&ter what are the difficulties coming SHRI B.R. BHAGAT: Sir, we have in 1he way in bringing these two nations,· no confirmation of the report which tb,' who belong to NAM, to the negotiating hon. Member bas referred to about thO table? What has been the reaction of initiative from Algeria, and as for takiDi these nations-Iran aod Iraq to the recent any new initiative, we are looking to the statement issued by the Government of past failure of all tbe initiatives, not only India expressing its anguish and concern by NAM and India as Chairman of tho over the continued war by both these nati- non-aligned movement but, as I laid ear. ons, particularly in the context of a unani- lier, by the Islamic countries, by the Sccrl~ mous resolution passed by the UN Secu.rity tary-General's Special representative. They' Council only 8 or 10 days ago, after such do not see the utility or fruitfulness of any a statement issued by the Government new initiative to bring about any results. of lndia, calling for immediate ceascfire ? SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: What' SHRI B.R. BHAGAT : Sir, onc of the are the countries which joined India in reasons why the negotiation has not succee- bringing peace and stoppal. of hostility ded is this. Many negotiations have been between Jran-Iraq ; whether India is pre-· taken up by the Non-Aligned Movement, posing to take up this issue in the UNO to tbe Secretary-General, and by the Islam ic nnd a solution for this problem; whetboJ Countries Organisation. But none of thenl India is going to arrange a tripartite meet- could succeed because of the reasons that ing between Iran and Iraq and some other the positions taken by the two Government peace-loving countries 1 were wide a part and thcre was no way to bridge them. Repeated attEmpts and SHRI B.R. BHAGAT ; The four fore- negotiations have failed to bridge thLITI. ign ministers ,\\ho are involved in the It is true that in the last meeting, in non.. aligned initiative including Indik. the last escalation of the conflict in Feb1 u- Cuba, Zambia and Head of the Political ary, last month, the Security Councll have Departnlent of the PLO. that was the Iroup passed a resolution, calling for immcdia te of four foreign ministers who took the initi- ceasefire on the same lirH:s in which the ative, the Islamic countries, all the Gutf Non-Aligned Movement and India were countries, are involved in t he initiative, urging thenl to d4'). W!lilc Ilaq accepted and the late Mr. 010f Palme, the Prime Minister of Sweden was the Special Repre. that UN resolution t Iran did not partici· pate in it. tentative of the Secretary-General. Moreo~er we ere in constant touch with both the SHRI Sl~ lllALLAV PANIGRAHI: I countries and very recently the Special think. as reported in the Press. there has Envoy from Iran, the Deputy Minister came been some change lD the hard attitude of here. He met me and the Prinle Min_ister Iran, partictllarJy ()n the initiative of the and he carried a message and we pve them Alaerian Fore ign !vI iuister. The Algerian our views on this situation. We urled' Oovernment has taken some initiative him to bring about immediate cease fire now, as repClrted in the Press. That Foreign and to move away from confrontation. All Minister visited the Gulf countries and as tbis'is going on. a result of that initiative, it is reported SHRIO.O. SWELL: Despite obvtOtll that Iran is now giving up its demand financial and weapons superiority of Iraq relating to the sacking of Iraqi 'President, over Iran and the reverses that Iran suffer- Mr. Hasan. Is the Govel nment of India ed as a result of it, it again now bas surled aware of this and in 1h is context, whether forward and has put Iraq on the defenaivc the Government of India, as the Chahman ~ hether it is in the Fau Peninsula or fur- of NAM, is thinking of taking fresh initiat- ther up. ives alone or also with the heJp of other world bodies like Gee (Gulf Cooperation flas the Governmen t made an analy- Council), ISO (Islamie Countries Orsa n- tical study as to what forces ~nd ra~tor. ,I

,: '{ate ,behind thIs resoraenee of ITan and has (a) whether Government have received the 'Government taken note that the 'representations 'to treat 'Tanti' (Tatwa) , A.merican fleet., ,part of the Seventh Ameri- Community as synonym of 'Pan', whlal i. .n PIeet, the Bnterprise and some other in the list of Scheduled Castet in Bihar- ; have anchored Karachi? 'veasels, off Has (b) whether Union Government have ',dati lot anything to do with the danger of invited the comlnents of State Government Iran-Iraq war spilling over into the other of Bihar in this regard; and Persian Gulf countries and whether the United States of America has told Iran (c) the date by which the decisiol'l is that any spreading of the war into the likely to be taken by Union Government Gulf countries would threaten the vital in tbis regard? interests of the United Stattes ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB SHR.I B.lt. BHAGAT: In a conflict MINISTRY OF WELFARE (sHit I , like this, the local conilict, the danger of GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (b) its ,pilling over in a wider context is always Yes, Sir. there and the involvement of the outside po\\oers and the major powers is always (c) The proposal to !Delude • TanU' there and that is the reason that we have (Tatwa) as synonym of 'Pan' whicll is io always taken this position that they should the list of Scheduled Castes in Bihar is be settled peacefully through peaceful nego- being considered along with similar· other tiation. proposals in the con' ext of the proposed comprehensive r~vision of the lists of There are conflicting reports about the Scheduled C~lstes and Schcdtlled Tribes in relative strength. But we would not like consultation with the ~o.lccrned State to pass any judgment on this matter, their GovernnlentjUnion TenitolY Administra- relative Sll ength. Moreover, these are no t tion including the Government of Bihar very verifia ble sources. We get the analy- and the Registrar General (.) f IJlJia. At this sis from different sources and, therefore, I stage, it is not possible L) Indicate the would not like to pass a judgment on this date by which the proposal for the comprehensive revision of the lists of Scheduled Fortunately, in this confiict, although Castes and Scheduled Tribes would be ina- it has gone on for several years, there is no lised. direct involvement of the outside powers, Althouah Iraq is getting replenishment of Further, amendment in the existlng liats arms from some sources whereas Iran is of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Betting spares and others from other sour- can be done only throuh an Act of Parlia. ces, apart from that, there is no major nlent jn view of Articles 341 (2) and 342 (2) problem. of the Constitution.

SURI G. G. SWELL: The American SHRI C. P. THAKUR: The whole idea fleet oft' Karachi. It is also a direct danger of putting certa in castes in the list of S~he to us. Can you tell something about it '1 dulcd Caste,S and Scheduled Tribes is, to promote their social, educational and MR. SPEAKER: We are having a economic conditkms. Now, is the hon. diacU8SioD OD it. Minister aware of the fact that accord;og to the recent census there are certain Sche- SHRI B. R. DHAGAT: We have a duled Castes in Bihar in which there is 'Dot call attention tomorrow. We will answer a single Matriculate or a single literate that. woman and there are certain Scheduled Mit. SPEAICER! That is what I said. Tribes I ike the Pahadia tribes of Santhal PdrganaS and the Birhor tribe of Chota Jb£lusloD of 'Tanti' Community iu tbe list Nagpur who are fast disappearing. I want of Scheduled Castes to know wha t steps is the Government taking for their improvement. It d ""at .348. SHRI C. P. THAKUR: Wi)) enough that you allot some funds for their the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to improvement. In spite of that this is tbe • tat. : position . 'l. ' , 1~86 :. I' , '" MARcH 19. Orlll A,,''''''' ,'.... THE MINISTBR OP SrATB OF THB DR. RAJBNDRA IC..UMAaI ,.:BAJP1f\J ~" .. ,:MJNIST&Y OP WELPARB (DR.. It is not possible to ind~~ it DOW. ,~j j~~' .&NaND.R.A. IU1MAlU BAJPAI): It is . MR.. SPEAK.ER: The .qucsdon is ltDly :Dot there in the main question. It is out regarding Ta.nti com mUD ity.. Them -iI, no of context. \',"',' more scope for questions. You caD put a SHItI C. P. THAKUR: Is the Govern- separate question if you want to ask Other ment thinking to include Bhuiyan of CbOt3 things. Nagpur in the list of Seheduled Tribes and H Feasibility studies on ComputerlsatJoD :In '" Machwa, the fishermen in the list of Various Departmeots ," ,. Scheduled Castes as their conditions arc also as bad as other Scheduled Castes? *349. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to MR. SPEAKER: 1 do not know how state : It arises out of the main question. You (a) the money spent for : .·alll ask only about Tanti co rom unity. conducting feasibility studies on computerisation in SHRI C. P. THAKUR: There cannot various deJ'3rtments and the subsequent be other supplementaries on this. legal. operational and administratiye MR. SPEAKER: There are 500 odd implications; communities. They ate asking for it. (b) the names of the agencies which DR. RAJENDRA KUMARl BAJPAI: were entrusted with such studies and the We cannot say about all of them. names of department for which such study was conducted; and SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHATvlAN : In 1970 Of 1971, the then Law Mi',ister, (c) the names of the department in Mr. Panampally Govinda Meno n j:1Lrodu· respect of which reports have since been ted an amcndmg Bit 1 including so many submitted by such agencies 1 communities as recommended by the St~te THL MI'JISTER OF STATE IN THE Governments in the list of Scheduled Castes MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND . and Scheduled Tribes. Of course, from TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- Kerala State Kudumi commuldty was also MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, included. But that is not the question. The ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND point is that even though that Bill was SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) introduced it could not be passed. Will the to (c) A Statement is given below. Government now consider reintroducing that Bill and get it passed by the Parliament. Statement (a) Government of India has spen t about DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI: Rs. 14 lakhs, for conducting feasibility The Government is coming with a compre- studies on computerisation of various hensive Bill and at that time we will con- Departments for 19 major studies conducted sider all the aspects. From time to time by outside agencies. In addition, feasibility this question has been raised and it is only studies on computerisation of various the Parliament that is competent to add or Departments have been carried out by delete any name of Scheduled Castes or National Informatics Centre (NIC), Depart- Scheduled Tribes. So we al'e intending to ment of Electronics. which have been set 'bring a very comprehensive Bill in this resaId. up by the Government of India as a nodal organisation for assisting the various SHRI BASUDBB ACHARIA: Since departments with their computerisatioD .,the Government proposes to bring a lelis- requirements. NIC carries out such fea- lation for amendment of this list .of Schedu- sibility studies free of cost. So far an esti- led Castes and Scheduled Tribes, may I mated 120 man-months of effort has been know from the hon Minister which are the made, by NIC for preparing ·f,asibility ,i" Scheduled Castes and Sched uled Tribes, studies. Wherever legal, operational and ,communities the Government propose to administrative implications are involved. i8Qitxie in the list of Scheduled Castes and they are looked into by the concerned Scheduled Tribes 1 Departments or by NIC on a case to case MR. SPEAKER: I do not think it basis. \ arise. out of the main question. 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Table-3 Britain baa .lost 5O,9®J~,bsl lJ1~, j ,bankin. ;,. . ,The followina departments ha'Ve aiven sectol' . Computerisa tioll will' only make "hf4IL report indicatiol that no feasibility the otD.ce more C8pJtal-intensive,., . reports have been prepared fGt tbom by (Interruptions) , ,,' , aDy outside .egoncy. ft i, ~ 'f' MR. SPBAKER: Mr. Acba~,ia, )'0\1 1. Registrar General of India please come to the question. (11f1erruptions) 2. 'Planning Commission MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Acharia, please 3. Department of Statistics don't think that I will be as lenient to you 4. Department of Steel as to the lady. S. Department of Mines MR. BASUDEB ACHARfA : Sir, ,may 6. Department of Fertilisers I know from the hon.Minister as to ".whe- 7· Department of Food and Civil ther this aspect of job-potentialities in· our Supplies country for computerisation . has been ~ 8. Department of Scientific & Indus- studied or not. trhl Research SHRJ SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Sir, 'the 9. Department of Agricultural Statis- Government is very well aware of the im .. tics and Infornlation Group P3ct computcrisation is going to have' in 10. DGS&D all areas of Government activity a.nd acti" 11. Ministry of Programme Inlplemen- vity in the society. We feel that the com- tation puterisation. is not going to reduce employ· ment potential but it is going to increase 12. M nistry of Urban Development the employn1cnt potential. 13. Ministry of Irrigation (Interrupt ions) 14. Department of Sports & Youth Affairs MR. SPEAKER: Please listen wnat he is telling. You are asking questions before 15. Department of Arts listening. 19- Department of Women & Child Welfare SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: In Japan which is a densely populated COUl1try, it 17. Department of Education is not only computers but robots are being 18. Department of Culture used and most sophisticated machines arc 19. Ministry of Welfare being used. Yet. the employment potential has not gone down. 20. Bureau of Public Enterprises (Int err upt ions) 21. Department of Legal Affairs MR. SPEAKER : That is what he is 22. Department of Expenditure (eGA) going to do. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, co'mputerisations is underbtedly an extremely SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Sir, I will important component of Government's substantiate my statement. I will give· the current policyoi It is also an integral part figures of one Excise Collectorate in Delhi. of modernisation package for 21st Century. The cost which was involved in PUttiD8 up But it will have a great impact on job one computer there is Rs. 3 lakhs but. the potentialities in our country. In France, benefit has accrued to the Department EDsland and G~rl11any where computerisa.. in one month's time is Rs. 7.8 lakhs. Ra. tion has been done, roughly 40 per cent of 7.8 lakhs will be available L)r providios the employment potential seenlS to have employment to the people.. (,'nterruptlpn,) . been 108t directly as a result of computetis- We will be utilising that. a.JllOUl1t or ~ ation. Studies also revealed in England and nl0ne~ for putt ing up more induttl'·.", for France that in one decade, loss of employ- having more emp,loyment luarantee tcbeme ment of whi te-collar is about 40 per cent. more irrigation, for having more for,iI_r•• In the Banking Sector only, England has for opening more schools and it wUl pro- since lo~t 3000 jobs, vide more cmp loyment. (Interruptions) (Interruptions ) ",. i~

SHIll' .SOMMA TH CHATTBRJEE: I if we do not use this'facility. we will Det 'do Dot understand. I hope the people be able to compete with .the "orld io will understand. industry, in all'iculturO', in ' h_ltb. '~ .. hy,iene and ia many other areal. MR. SPEAK.BR : Mr. Chatterjee, you 'please come to me. SHRI SHANT ARAM NAtlC: I waat to know whether Government have aoy (lnt erruptions) plans to install or provide computer s ill SHRl BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir. major Central jails of this country. there i8 vast unemployment in our country. MR. SPEAKER: What do you mean The Government has imposed ban on recru- 1 To check their escape? itment a150. May I know from the hon. Minister for installation of computers in about 24 Departments-it has been stated THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV in his rep)y-- what will be the amount of GANDHI) .. Although we have not lot a money required for installation of these specific programme to computed. the jail. computers and for import of computers we are examining how we can computerise from foreign countries. May I know from the crimes that arc taking place acrols the the hon. Minister the quantum of money country and try to correlate them and see involved for the installation of computers. how we can catch the crooks better.

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: We are If I nlay add a word in answer to the not importing all the computers which previous supplementary, the question i. are being u~d in the Departments from not just of j.)bs. With compaters actually outside. Computers are being manufactured jJb5 do not go down; they go up, but they in our country also and they are being used go up at dd'ft!fcnt pbces; there is a shift by the Departments. of employment; it is not a loss of employ- m~nt. B~1t here as Government we f\lso Now as far as computeriastion in the have a sJjghtly different rcsronsibility. We entire country from t he district Jevel to are here as guardians looking after the the Central Jevel is concerned, we are go. money whicb belongs to the people of ina to have one computer each at four I ndia and we must see that this is not was- places in the country, called the Regional ted and is invested in the best possible Computer Centres, In these Regiona 1 way. What we are seeing happen is that Computer Centres the information will be the cost of governance is going up so much collected from aJ I parts of the country that positive programmes for the people and that informatiuli wAH be made avail- are being compromised. Now we have to able to the Planning Department, the sa ve as much money as we can and stream- Power Department, the Irrigation Depart- line the functioning. Whether it is government, the Education Departmeot and for ment, whether it is public sector units, all other governmental activities to have whether they are other units which serve better plans to use that information to the people in the best possible way 80 that increase the efficiency and reduce the time. the people get th{~ best services and the We are gOing to have computers at the minimum money is spent on such service. district level also. If we ta ke into consi.. and the max-:imum money can be spent on deration all the computers used at the positive projects which actually give deve- Central Governmen t, State Government lopment results to the people. It is very ,and district levels, the cost involved is easy we could spend Rs. 180 crores in the IOing to be in the vicinity of Rs. 100 Seventh Plan and employ everyone in the crores. Rs. 62 crores are provided in the Government; we could give tremendous Seventh Five-Year Plan and the rest of the employment, but it would do no good to moDeY will he made available by the State the people of India, One small example Governments and other authorities also Shivraj-ji gave about the case of computeri. to· have -this facilifY PI·ease bear in mind sation in one tax department. He was that this facility ha~ to be used by us. If talking about Rs. 7 Jakhs. What dOOl it fie do not use this f,tcility, we are going mean? It means that the people Who to 1&& behind the wortd ; if we \20 not use would have been running up and down tbo thiS facuity.our etIlc'iency may not &0 up; tax department for five years have made Or,,1 Altlw" , , PHALGUNA 28. "J907 (jA£4) 2d

....",' .. )'lllOat-l,r ,I ,remember riShtly now (b) if SOt whether streas ,has been .Iaj,d beca,::ane J got the, note very long ago-in , particularly on anti .. poverty schemes; three ,moD.ihs. That means, harassment to thousands of people has been avoided. The (c) if so. how many States have so far Jta. 7 lakbs that he was talking about and reported their performJnce to the Centre; wktch· bas' been saved is not saved in terms and or'" money; it is saved in terms of the (d) whether calling for such report by payment interest pined getting the will' also ensure proper ut ilisation of plan madejn three months instead of over five funds? 'or'ten yea'n. This is the people's money which has been sa.ved-which could h:l ve THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THS' it .~Uy been 10it. This 1S the way actu MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A.~. help .tbe ' people, it hell's development; PANJA) : (a) Planning Commission ha. it and is not a waste of money. The issued instructions to all the States ~Q4, emp.oy~ent potential is changed. Employ- Union Territories to furnish quarterly ment for a lot of people doing manual progress reports regarding expenditure .s work is changed to service areas and other against approved plan outlays for each areas in the production and servicing. W~ head/sub-head of development. As regards caD allo So through the other route. We monitoring of achievements in physical. can say 'we need lots of employment terms as against the physical targets fixed, We can aet rid of ~ypewriters today. We necessary instructions to the States and the wnl have thousands of scribes who will Union Territories are being issued. wrIte everything Government does. We will increase employment. We can get rid (b) and (c) The major anti-poverty sewing machines, we will have tailors of schemes, namely t Integrated Rural Develop- who will only sew by hands. We can do ment Programme (IRDP). National Rural all sorts of things we want. But the point Employment Programme (NREP) and R.ural is will that be beneficial to this country or Landless Employment Guarantee Pro- not? Is thIS country ~,~llllg k, move ahead gramme (RIEGP) are being monitore4 or are we going tJ move backwal J 't Til ,s inter. )ively by the Depat trnent of Rural is the' basic qu .;stion. Dcvdopmcut. All these anti-poverty programOles are also being monitored as We frel the counlry should OlIWC p~rt of the Inonit~.lr ing of the '2()"Point ahead. I believe most of this Huuse fl.'l'ls Pros'-amme' by the Mjnistry oC Programme that the country should move ahead. But Impil!mcntation. All the States and the if certain people have doubts nbout that, Union Territories have been reportina the th~y are mo~t welcome to put them for- implementation ward. progress of of these anti- poverty programmes. (Interruptions) (d) Yes, Sir. OR. V. VENKATESH: How about intr,'ducing computers in the Parliamentary SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: work? Sir, the Hon. Minister in his reply mentioned that the State Governments t.ave beea , Quarcerly performance fl'port to tbe Ccn1rc reporting to the Centre; but there is no by Stat~ reo Physicu: pro; n'ss of PI.,n ' mcnt ion about the performance of tho Programmes States. However, I wouJd like to know .1 + to whether the!e hal been a serious short- ·350. SHRI ANANIA PRASAD fall in the target set in some of the major SETHI: components of the 20 point programme SHRI B. V. DESAI: and also the Poverty Allevb lion Pr()~ 'Will the Minister of PLANNING he gramme jn 1985·86 financial yeur. I would pleased to state: also like to know whether it is a fact that some Governments have transferred the (8') whether the Stl! (('~ and Union funds allocated for the purpose to some Ter.s.ito' I~s have beeu as~':d to send quar- otber purpose or allowed them to tapte' totl, performance report in t~nns of con .. because they are not ccmmittcd to it. If" . (;rete phrsical progrc~s C' ~'.."lan programme'» so, what steps you baye taken a.,liDIt 21'" 0'111 Answers' MARCH f9, 1986 '.. Oral Answ,r, f.

tbebill'iand' the" "name' or those States and nth 'Five Yea r Plan' to see that the 801ieda- allo whether the Government of India led castes and scheduled tribes aet d ...····< bas (:f,ndu.cted any survey to know about maximum benefit out of this prOw: '. the'latplementation of these aramme? 'I :' , ." ~ programmes. SHRI A.K. PANJA : Sir, the question SHRI A.K. PANJA : So far ,.••. t~·.~: b84 three parts. So far as the first part first portion is concerned, I do require &j'(' il concerned, i.e., shortfall in physical notice. As relards the second portion, we tatgtt, it is for the departments concerned bave indentified the areas which need OUf 1 which are in charge of each of the parti.. emphasis. and one of those is sclledUled'i culltr deve)o·pment work, to report. castes and scheduled tribes. The t·ribal· .. sub-plans have been made 80 that tP., .' . "Secondly, so far as diversion of funds money allotted to them is specifically speQ;~ ,hi is concerned, it cannot be stated right now for that particular purpose. , :' imtnediately. On receiving specific directions from the hon. Prime Min ister on SHRI CHINTAMANI PANfORAHI: 5th. August 1985, a Ie tter was issued by the May I know from the hon Minister whether' D~ptlty Chairman, Planning Commission during monitoring of thes~ anti.poverly· to. all the Chief Min isters and the Heads programmes it has come to the notice of of the Union Territories suggesting them the monitoring agency that the Centra) to 1Il6nitor the plans. Thereafter on 31st Government which is allotting large quaD•. October 1985 a letter was followed by the tities of wheat as a com ponent of . Secretary, Plannitlg Commission as a follow these programmes this wheat is not being up measure. The difficulties which we delivered to the work force which is enga- found were that in various manners, they ged in this programme but being delivered w4J'e sending report not according to a to the wholesalers by the District Rural particular proforma. That is why on 13th Development Agency and the wholesalers MaJch lS86, the Planning Commission are giving it to the rctaiJcrs, and the did prepare a pr()foJ rna. This has be~:n contractor will get this wheat from the despatched to all the States rmd Union retailers"/ 1'1 this procedure six to eight Tc'rritofies to the Chief Secretaries. This months pass and the labour fOI ce pr.oforma gives the required heads of enagaged in these programmes are not development. getting wheat and this is being adjusted in the accounting procedure only of the Thirdly, as I answered last time, if the contractors This has created a great entire plan amount is spent, then it is hurdle. It never reaches the people. I possible to loea te whether there has been \\ould like to know whether the nlonitoring diversion. If the entire amount is not agency will monitor it so that 111casures are it becomes grey area, twilight spent, a a taken to see that the wheat allotted' to the zone. We grope to find out whether actual work force reaches the work force diversion took place. itself? Now, Sir, with this method of prepared SHRI A.K. PANJA : The distribution proforma, the Planning Commission find of wheat for the upliftment of t11 ~ poor win 'be able even to find out quarterly and needy classes is being done by the whether thCiC has been any diversion. Department of Rural Development aron'g Sir it is primarily the duty of the State with the monitoring of Programnle Imple- Government and the t'nton Territories mentation Committee by the Ministry. to do the monitorii,g. However, with this So, whether act'ual diversion of whe:lt has survey report Comillg to US. namely, moni~ taken place or the people r0f whom it torlng, the Planning ('C'r.".mission wilt be is meant are getting it or not this quest ion able to have a ch(;ck on the Plan activities may b~ directed to that department. oftbe St:.1~rs ~nd Union territories. .··SHRI 'ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: SHRI ClllNTAMANI PAl:lIGRAHI ':: Wh,t is the PcrCtntage of scheduled castes Why '1 The: Cenlral Government is alloca- .... : ,;sched uled tribes b~nefited out of this Hili tbe wheat. Why should we ask the ~ programme Lo, .the Sixth Five Year Plan and District RUral Devolopment Aacn~y' whtu steps are you going to take in t.he Seve- The monitorina asenc), i, ~te. " . SH.RI A.X: .. ,."J.NlA ".: .. TJ.;t# ~heat .• _,Qd mellt P,o,ra,J'n.(Oe. last year admitted ..... other t·hinls being distdbuted for various pr¥tJ~~e~, ,t~. in~t '~~ne, ',.~~1y~ , ft,: : is, ' either done by intc.ralta rl1raf(levelopmenf" . "InConnatiop' collectecf fo the' pteaeDt'" ," evaluation study indicate. or .... atiOft81 rura'. development or food fori: : that 111";' spite the detailed guideUne ...... ,.. ,1" wor1t we have beelt'liven tbe' motdtorin. or 'project" only ~s I bave already" or .. the S,tate Governments have pJan .: (()lloWed them with any uniCorm'lty;'" ••-"'cred. " , '\ . (Interruptions)' That means, that this proaramm. ,,' SHm CHfNTAMANl' PANIORAHt·: would have beeu much' mor e effecttve I" il I have PQmted out these difliculties, Wby the State Governments had taken this work Uould not the monitoring c~ll consider more seriously. The hon. Prime Minister these diftlculties and find a solution to himself bas lone to the rural areas In ·ttd. thl.? country aDd verified tiult the auideJ'ipe-' and tbe programmes are Dot beioa imp" SHRI A.K. PANJA: The bon. Mem- n)eoted with the seriousness they deserve. ber need not be agitated. I have looked A lot of more good would have come to into the matter. One department will not the rural poor in tbis couotry, jf the be able to do it. That is why it is beins State Governments bad acted more dorae by various other agencies. One or seriousJy. thl. is Department of Rural Deve)opment. They will be able to say. Plann ing Commi- But after this evaluation study by the .ion certainly will be able to say after a II Planning Commission, with which tho. these are taken together and our Advisers Minister is associated, what further bas assess and find out the performance but been done 1 How far its recommendatidftt the diversion of wheat or money can be after the study and the observations of told by Department of Rural Development the Prime Minister after his visit to the an" others dealing w!th f"l)~ for work. rural areas have ~cen implemented? What SHRI CHTNTAMANI PANIGRAHI: have you done in this regard? When , am pointing out the difficuJties it is the duty of the Minislcr to look to SHRI A.K. PANJA: I am grateful to this and report back. the hon Member that he has brought out a 'Very relevant point. In fact, Planninl , MR. SPEAKER : You better talk to Commission did -say that many of the him and try to understand his point of States and Union Territories are Qot view. conforming to the vacious Jettefs and SHRI A.IC. PANJA: Yes, Sir. I bow instructions issued by Planning CommisaioD down to your ruling. from time to time. When tbey send, tbeJ reports, are also not accordins to' the SHRI EDUARDO FALEI'RO: Sir, points involved, but at random. That il the anti-poverty programmes have done a why, as I have said earlier in answer to termendous amount of good h) the Tura) another question, the Plannine Commj•• ioD . poor in this, country. Anybody \\-ho is have now made a proforma and so far as aaquainted with the Iural a reas of this earmarked provisions are conerne4, ,it il country would know tr..at. I have visited mandatory for them to send the report, every single village in my constituency and and r~gardinl non-earmarked provisions 1118ve verified the amount of good that the Planning Commissions ,are al.o jn~.t~,,,, lhit plo,ramme has done ..... (J,lerruptioI1S) ing that they comply with the proforma and send us the reports. PROP. MADHU DANDAVATE : In RegIonal Im,balaD~e ia De"lopaaent fact, their complaint is that they are gett- + ., fl.' iDa more food. .351 SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAOH'AVWN: SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: How- PROP. RAMKRlSKNA M',,)R.B: ever. tbe Planning C\.m:nission itselr. over wb'tch tbe Minister pre~idrc:" on .a·Xl evalua .. Will the Minister of PLANNING be lion report on Inteirated Rural DeveJo9" pleased to stat.e :' \.._,,. ., 31 Orlll Atbwe"

(a) whether it is a fact tbat despite the (d) jf 80, the (fetal" thereof? successive Five Year Plans regional imbal .. ••s stUI. continu~ and a number of THB M·lNlSTER OF STATE IN THB r f Stapes have not received a rair share of MINIS11tY OF PLANNING (SHItI A .. L: de~lo.pment. PANJA) : I(a) The .successive . Five Year: Plans have souabt to reduce regional. im .. , . (b) the programmes launched by bal~ncca .by measures. like wefgbtaae in' Government in the Five Year Plans and allocation of Central assistance to leu' the, expenditure incurr~d thereon against developed states under the modified Oadaii" tb. aJl~tion made : formula, various area development programmes and a,"i-pOVert~ J)r08ramme&~ ~ . (c) whether some further vigorous All Sta tes got their share of develop- pl.DS .aro contempJated by Government so ment as agreed to by them with Planninl'" th't adequate attention is paid to achieve Commission. . the' ob_k,ctive CAf the balanced development of ~ift'erent regions; and (b) to (d) A statement is given below. Statement (a) to (d) The following table gives ftlures regurdin8 approved out-lays and the expenditure incurred over the various area development and anti.. poverty programme. on fifth, Sixth and Seventh Five Year Plans:

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2. National Rural Employment Programme H20.00 1834.26 2487 47

3. Rural Laudless Employment Guarantee Programme SOO.CO 499.41 1743.78

4. Minimum Needs Progrrmme 2607.00 1578.00 5807.00 6547.05 11S4S 92

5. Dtsert Develpment Programme 15.18£ 10.76£ 100.00 73.S5 244.94

6. ': 'Drought PI one Area Programme 259.09 188.98 350.00 337.42 447.00

7 •. (a) Hill A~ea D~vclopmcnt Programme 310.03 338.60 848.84 933.83 1503.03 (b) Western Ghats D~v. Programme 20.00 18.28 76.00 73.36 116.50

8. North.Eastern Co uneil 90.00 86.S8 340.00 381.15 675.00

9 Tribal Areas 1042.89 946.00 4006.51 3640.25 6955.63

10. Inccntiv~ Set-.eme for Industrial Development 100.00 228.15 300.00

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, Apart fl()lD continued emphasis on all MR.. SPBAK.BR,~ It will come on the the ,prQlrammcl indicated above., ',be 21th of' this mOll·th. ~rt Development Prolramme .has 'DOW , . ~ SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA: When ltcoa made a cent pet, ceot Centrally a.15. ted proaramme in the Seventh Plan. More- I am prescot here and when the. question ovet. the Sevonth ,Plan alsp visualise. baa been nsted for today, wby has it been decentralisation of plano Ina as an instru- po.tponed? ment for ensuring balanced relional' dove. ' MR-. SPEAICBR.: It has been trans.. topment. . ferred to 27th. You are supposed to be prclcmt on the 27th as well. . SHR.I V.S. VIJAYARAGHt\VAN: May I know from the hOD. Minister the (Interruptlonts) percentale of allocations made in each of SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Who. the Five Year Plans for industrial develop- t. accountable .for this transfer? I have .-nt and other development of the back- Dot been informed about thi$. ward States in the country. MR. SPEAKER: It has been info,rmed. SHRI A.Ie. PANJA: I have lot tho ( Interruptions) information with regarding to 5th, 6th and 7th Plans. It is a long list and is a tso part of the statement. Afghan Situation -3". SHRI T. BASHEBR: Will the So rar as the industrial proarammel Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be are concerned. the details have been given pleased to state: 1D the statement. If y,ou look at this, there are three points, under which assis- (a) whethor Government have recently tance is being given to the backward States. been in touch with various international From this, you wilJ also find the outlay moves about the Afghan situation ; and and expenditure for all tbese prOlrammes during the Sth, 6th and 7th Plans. '(b) if so, what is the latest position in this regard and to what extent these moves SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: 1 are likely to lead to an amiC~i ble solution 1 want to know whether any special plan is THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL being prepared to remove the industrial ,AFFAIRS (SHRI B.R. BHAGAT): (a) backwardness of Kerala, so that the im- Yel, Sir. balance in development in the State could be removed at least in the 7th Plan. (b) Mr. Diego Cordovez, the Personal Representative of the UN Secretary Gene- SHRI A.K. PANJA : Kerala is Dot a ral, has vi.ted Afghani.tan and Pakistan backward State. I may ten for the leneral recently for further discussions. While information of the hon. members that so understanding has reportedly been reached rar as industries are concerned. there are on some draft provisions of the political three categorjes -Category (1): No-indus· settlement, difference. pe,"sist on the others. try districts and special relion districts. Catelory (2) and Category (3) have different PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You parameters. As far as Cateaory (1) dis- replied this question on the television tricts are concerned 'the percentage of. io.. yesterday. centives and assistance has been increased SHR.I B.R. BHAGAT: Yes. In &0 ,25%, the" investment subj~ct to a maxi- JanavaIii, yesterday. IDQD1 of Rs. 25 lakhs. Accordingly. cate- lories (2) and (3) are a110 . Bettina hiah SHRI T. BASHBBR : The issue has a amount (If subsidy than before. ' wider a.pect. Apart from that, causing MR. SPEAKER: They want to take a lot of concern for India and the region. advantaae of tbe backwardness clause. Sbri The Araban problem brings cold war to Ramakrishna More. . India!. doorstep and arms race by the . Super. Powers to this regi .In. I would like SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Sir. to know from the hon. Minister whether Question N,? 352 has not (tome up, it i, a fact that O1.lr frime Mini~ter h~4 3' MARCH 19. 1986

taken up this issue with the Soveit lea4er Pottunately, no 10.8s of life or injury was Mr. Gotbachev during his visit to Moscow involved. The Chancery Dundin. of tbe and with Mr. Rcaaan during his visit to Embassy and the Emaaay car were damaaed. US and whether it is a fact that both the Estimated expenditure on the repair·s· of leaders had responded positively and es.. buUdiOC is Rs. 40,000/- and the car has been pressed their willingness to solve this pro- repair.ed at a cost of Rs. 28,000/- blem and find a pOlitical solution to this problem. If t~at is so, I would like to (b) Five, including three, diplomatic know from the hon. Minister as to what· officers and two others. atep'. the Government have taken or proposed to take to evolve a modus operandi on the basis of the response from the (c) Does Dot arise as no loss was autre. leaders of Soviet Union and the USA. red by any Indian. SH'RI B.R. BHAOAT: India's stand on Afghanistan is a principled and consis- Juveolle Delinquency tent one. We are against both intervention and interference and we stand for *354. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: negotiated political settleme"nt of the issue Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased· which takes into account the legitimate to state : interest of the parties concerned. And . Sir, in this ·context, we have supported U.N. whether the number of juvenile initiative. We have noted that the pro- delinquents is increasing continuously in gress made in these talks is slow. How- tbe country ; ever, at the present moment, there is no (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and other international initiative besides the proximity talks being conducted by the (c) what concerted efforts are contem- U.N. Secretary General's personal repre- plated by Government to curb this trend in sentative and we have lent support to this ,the society' ~ because we are for a peaceful negotiated settlement of this issue. ' THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR.. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAl): (a) From the published figures available till 1982 it is found that there was an increae in the number of juveniles arrested between WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 1977 and 1981. and this was followed by a decline in 1982. [Translation] Loss sutTered in Explosion in Indian (b) Apart from ,the efficacy of the enfor· Embassy at Lima cement of the law, a Variety of environmental factors such as industr ialisation. *353. SHRI BANWARI LAL BAIRWA: urbanisation, economic deprivation destitu- Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS tJon, neglect etc ; are found responsible for be pleased to state : the" problem. (a) the estimated loss of life and property suffered in the explosion in Indian (c) The implementation of various Chil" Embassy at Lima (Peru) on 22 February, , dren Acts applicable in different States and 1986 ; Union Territories falls within the respon .. sibility of the State Governments and Union (b) the number of employees belonging' Territory Administrations The Govern.. to Indian Foreign Service in this Embassy ; ment of India has been pursuing with them and . the development of the necessary services (c) the steps taken by Government to required thereunder. Besides a financial , compensate the loss ·suffered by Indians' provision has also been made under the 7th Pive Year Plan for assisting the States to THE MINISTER OP EXTERNAL strengthen inrraltructure and services AffAIRS (SHRI l3. R. 9HAQAT): (a> t)le Children Act. " M'.r J7, PHALOUNA 28, fJ01 (S..4L4) , 38

[Eltgllsh] (d) whether any Gov~rnment Depart.. ment or Agency has informed the· Depart· Pro.dactlvlty BoaUl in Defeoee Deptt. ment of Electronics for buying/hiring Factories computers from IBM and if so, the details ·3'6~ SHal S. G. GHOLAP: . Will thereot? tho Minllter, of DBFENCB be plea&ed to THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE .tate : MINISTRY OF SCIENCB AND

(~) whether the implementation of the' (c) Governlnent has not received any new Electronics Policy bas increased the airect or indirect otTer in ~recific tt.:rms production of electronics products in the from IBM, "to resume its operu!. ion in country substantially; if so, the details India. " thereof; (d) Department of Electronics has (b) the names of the foreign companies given clearance to ONGC Dehradun and who have been allowed participation in CMC Ltd. for the purchase of IBM Com- Indian ventures for electronics production puters. These systems were recommended and the broad terms of their collaboration after going tbrou~h global .tendeJtipg proce- arrangements: dures and detailed technical e"aluation. ONGC has been given the clearance for an (c) whether Government have received IBM 3083 JX with 3 nos. of Array Pro- any direct or indirect offer from IBM to cessor and CMC Ltd. has been given resume its operation in India and if so, the 'clearance for 3 Nos. of iBM , 4361 comouter details thereof; and systems Cor INDONET project. ! " Wrltt~n .AI,ISW'" 40

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Delay 10 Lauaehlag "of ASLV " TccbnoJOJY bas been informed by some scientists about the problems arising- out of *358. SHRIMAT·I KISHOR.I SINHA: technological parks being. floated by non- Will. the PRIME MINISTER be p1eas-.i to realdeot Indians at three pJaces and many stato. ot which are in the offing; .(a) whether the launching of the Aua- mented Satellite Launch Vehicle (ASLV) . (b) if so, what are those problems and bas been delayed due to dilloc:ationl at the the opinion of. Government thereon; Sbriharikota launch c~ntre ; (c) the area/areas of technololY in (b) if so, whether a firm date for laun- which these parks are dealing with; and chiDa has been fixed; and (d) the details of investment being (c) whether Government are in search made in these parks 1 . of a la.UDching centre which is free from the attacks of cyclones and other natural THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN l~HE forces 1 MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TBCHNO .. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF MINISTRY OF SCIENCE A.ND OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMlC TECHOLOGY AND IN THE 'DEPART· ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) No Sir. ATOMIC ENERGY. BJ1ECTRONICS AND (b) Does not a rise. SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. The delay has also been due to (c and d) Groups of non-resident Indians some technical problems. from U. S. A. have on some occasions proposed establishing facilities at a few loca- (b) A firm date for launch can be fiaed tons for producing certain high technologiy after overcoming the technical problems items. Some of them have b.:cn pursuing which have recently arisen. It is now . their proposals with· concernl'd State ex:pected to be in the launch window of Governments. Department of Elc~tronics July-August 1986. A firm date is expected has approved the following proposals Cor to be fixed around April, 1986. setting up technology parks by Non-Resi- (c) While it win be ideal to have a dent Indians for development and 100% launch centre free from cyclones and export of software. other natural disasters, it is difficult to do (i) Indo-Amarican Capital and i~ so since it of great advantage to locate Tcchnology Corporation (leAT), a launch range on the eastern sea coast even USA for setting up the park at ihough a certain risk due to cyclones/mon- Pune. soon is generally attendant OD such locations. The selection of a su itable site for (Ii) Indus Technology Inc .• USA for establishing satellite launching stations is setting up of two parks-one in based on various considerations whi'ch Nilgi.ris District of Tamil Nadu include the nature of the seoarapbical and the 2nd 'at Hyderabad. terrain, availability of land within a certain radius Which is relatively free of human The order of investment in each techno.. settlements, and also importantly, certain logy park is expected to be US$ S millions. technical considerations such as launch safety, launch trajectory realisation and Coaching Centres for I. A.S. Examinations launch window constraints. Science and TecbnolOlY Parks. ·360. SHRI MUKUL WASNIK: -359. DR. SUDHIR. ROY: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased tQ itate: SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHAll Y: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (a) whether· Government have decided to state : to open coaching centres in educationallY backward areas for students willing to (a) whether the Department of Scion ~e appear in lAS examinations; and I Writt'" Answers Wrjtt'" ..4",Wlrs

(b) if 80, the arca8 idcntified "for aettina celS demoDstration units and prototype' up coaching centres and when are. the.., developments. The TcchnololY Policy centres likely to start? Implemerita.tion Committee had constituted .. Workinl Group to .~amjne the need THB MINISTBR. OF STATE IN THB tor ee~ting up a l'tational ,Industrial Research MINISTR.Y OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC & Development Pund. GRlEV ANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b) : (b) The Working Oroup had submitted On the basis. of representa:tions made on its report and the Technology Po1i~y behalr of the students, the Government has Implementation Committee have made agreed in principle to set up coaching recommendations thereon. The Government centres in the educationally baclkward areas hal not taken a final dec ision on this. to assist the candidates desiring to appea r ft;>r the prelimiuary and main parts of the (c) and (d) While import of the same Civil Services Examination. Since the technoloaY by different manufacturers could matter requires considerable preparatory be coordinated to obtain more favourable work, which has been initiated, it wuuld terms for technology transfer, it is desira- not be possible to give any <:\etails. ble to avoid repetitive import of the aame technology again and again. It has been recognised that. in order to achieve this, Cess for Poaled Research 80d Devel.p. ment Fund for Industries there should be a firm commitment of absorption, adaptation and subsequent *361. SHRI ANAND SlNGH : Will the development of imported know-how PRIME M[NIS rER be pleased to st:l te : through adequlte investment in research and development. (a) whether in view of the continued neglect on the part or the industry in Indo-French Cf!otre for Advanced regard to research and development needs, Technology resulting in low production and high cost of production, GoverniDent have cons'dered *362. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will the desirability of imposing Research and the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Development cess on each industry and state: creating a pooled Research and Develop- (a) whether an Indo·french centre for t Fund for each industry; men tb~ promotion of Advanced Research is (b) if so, the decision taken by Govern- likely to be set up; and ment in this regard; (b) if so, the details in this regard '1 (c) whether Government have also THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE considered the desirability of effectively MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- avoiding repetitive import of the same LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS technology by different manufactu~ers; and OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (d) if so, the decision taken in regard ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE thereto? (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATLL): Yea Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (b) The Centre will be established iD LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF . New Delhi during the 7th Five Year Plan. OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENE- It WIll function as a registered society for promoting, coordinating, and sponsorinl RGY, ELECTRONICS A~D SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V, PATIL) : (a) The Govern- collaborative research between India aDd ment, recognising the importance of France. It will have a Governing Body research and development activit ies in tbe and a Scientific Council consistinl 01 both industry, has prov ided several incentiv~s to members from the countries. encour~ge this activity. In order to enable Antarctka Study C~tre rapid commercial exploitation of technologies developed in the laboratories suitable ·363. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: financial mechanisms are to be evolved to Will the PRIMI! MINISTER be pleased to facilitate investments on pilot plants, pro.. etate ~ ~ ,t • ~ Witt"" Answers PHALGUNA lB, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

what arc the details of the report is commissioned in a phased manner liven by a study group which was consti- bema and accordingly trial production of various tuted to work out the details relatin, to ml"eral. bas started. ahe mtins up ·of an Antarctica Study Centre; and Remote Sensing Surveyor Goa, (b) what are the details of t~e equip- . DAlban and Diu - ment etc. required for the e"'pedltioDs to . Antarctica in neaf future? 365 .. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Will. the PRIME MINISTER be' pleased to THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI state : RAJIV GANDHI) : (a) T?e.. Study Group (a) whether aerial pbotographic survey has recommended that Initially the pro- and/or remote sensing survey of the Union sed Antarctic Study Centre shall start Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu has been r:nctioning as an Attached Office of ~he done; Department of Ocean Development with the logistic base of that Centre located (b) jf so, the results thereof; and in Goa. (c) if .not, whether Government propose (b) Scientific equipment in the fields to do the survey in n~ar future? of meteorology, biology,' geology. 8eoph~ sics and oceanography will be required In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND the future cxpedit 1011S. In addition. t~e TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- logistic support for the expeditions 15 provided by the Ministry of Defence MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONlCS AND through Army, Navy and Air Force and SPACE (SHRI SHlvJtAJ Y. PATIL) : (a) they use a variety of their own equipment. and (b) The aerial photograph ic survey of tbe Union Territory of G~':l, Daman Completion of Orissa Sands Complex and Diu has been done in late szventies ·364 SHRI CHINTAMANI by the National Remote SenSing Agency PANIGRAHI: Will the PRIME MINISTER (NRSA) of the Department of SpaC~ for be pleased to state: Survey of India (SOl) and Forest Survey of India (FSI). The photography has been (a) whether the Orissa Sands Complex: used by a number of Government Depart- Project of the Indian Rare Earths Ltd. ments for preparation of topographical, working at Chhatrapur in Orissa has hydrological and geological maps. The completed its first phase of work; Forest Survey of India has utilised this imagery for delineating various types of (b) if so, the total investment made in this project so far ; forests of the Union Territory. In addition, FSI utilised these maps as a ground truth (c) whether the second phase work has . data base for satellite remote sensing survey started ; and done by them during eighties. (d) the total estimated e~penditure on FSI has also utilised imageries trom the this project and b~ what time the produc- landsat satellite receeived by the NRSA tion is likely to start? Earth Station at Hyderabad for forest survey applications to delineate closed THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE forests, open forests, etc. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNo.. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF NRSA has utiJised satellite imagery for OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC prepasing maps of wastelands for Goa and ENERGY, ELECfRONICS AND SPACE the extent of wasteland in Goa has been (SMRI S·HIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Yes Sir. mapped. (b) Rs ... 107.27 Crates. The Centre of Studies in Resources (c) Yes Sit. Engineering (CSRE), Indian Institute or Technology, Bombay have used remotely (d) Present total estimated cost of this senied -Landsat satellite data in imagery nrOtPr.t hI RA. t'22 ..~ ernretll. Thill nrniect form and diaital computer compatable tap' , .... ,.; I'" II "Written Answer, form. to study in an integrated wa, various (c) wh~tber the developed countriee aspects of land resources, landuse. draina,. in the North have responded po.itively , maps.- surface water potential etc. and for THB MINISTER. OF STATE IN THB developing Geocoded Data Man.,ement MINISTRY OF EXTBB.NAL APFA.-s System for storing and retrieving natural (SH~I It.R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes Sir. resources data extracted from remote sensing applications and - socio-economic data (b) and (c) India continues to keep ill for Goa area. Necessary computer touch with developed and developinl· software has been developed for 'ule countries on steps which could be taken on main frame computer and also for to revive North-South dialogue. micro. computer systems for use at rural and district levels- Analysis of Euvironmenta) Problems (c) In view of the above depending 3376. SHaI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will upon further specific user needs, survey. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: will be done in future. whether any analyses has been made in regard to environmental problems Proposal for Approv. I to Indira Sarovar Hyde) Project of the country; *366. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: (b) if so, the main environmental Will the PRtME MINISTER be pleased to problems which Ind ia is facing ; and state : (c) what measures are being taken by (a) whether Government of Madhya Government to ove rcome those Pradesh has submitted any proposal to environmental problems? the Union Government for accord ina approval to the Indrta Sarovar Hydel THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Project under the Forest (Conservation) MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Act, 1980; and FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): Yes Sir. (b) if 80, the time by which it is likely to be app roved ? (b) These include: land degradation, depletion of forests and vegetal cover, . 'THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV threats to important eco·8ystems~ declininl GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. aenetic diversity. water and air pollution including dangers from hazardous (b) Detailed assessment of various substances. aspects is goins on. In view of the extremely critical environmental and (c) Various plan progranlmes for ecological issues involved and the need improvement and protection of environ- to weigh the costs and benetits carefully ment have been under implementation. it is not possible at present to say whether some of the more important the proposal will be approved at all m~asures/programmes are mentioned and if 80 when. below:

'North-South Dialogue to resolve Economic (i) Soil and Water Conservation , <:rlsls programmes ; 3375. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will the (ii) Social forestry, better forest Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be management and J: rotect ion pleased to state ; practices: (a)' whether, the Prime Minister has (iii) Setting up o~ the National recently called for early resumption of Wastelands Development Board North-South Dialogue to resolve the 'molt for brinalna large areas under fucl seribul economic crisis' the wotld i. and fodder plantations; . facing since the thirties; (vi) Establishment 9f national parka (b) if so, the initiatives by Govornment" and wildJifc sanctuaries for of India ; and protoc;tion of endaDlered species • PHALGUNA 28. 1907 (8Ai'A)

(v) Identification ' o{ biosphere (0) The application of the party WI' re~rve. t . rejected· 00 account of capacity· con.traiDt. (vi) McalUrcs tor water and air .,Utilisation of Service. of Youth f. pollution control ; GaDga Action Plan" (vii) Launcbioa of Action PlaD for 3378. SHRI R.M. BHOYB:· Will the pl'evention of pollution in river PlUMB MINISTER be ple.asec:1 to state: Ganga ;

(b) As decided by the Central Ganp Setting up of Teleprinter Equipment Authority, a programme . for involviDi Factory the youth in the implementation of the 3377. SHRI INDRAllT GUPTA: Will Oanga Action Plan has been formulated with the Department of the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to in collaboration .tate : Youth Affairs and Sports. An orientation workshop for Coordinators of Nehru Yuvak (a) whether Mis. Siemens of West Kendras and National Services Scheme Germany has expressed its desire to set up vfas held in Delhi on 20th and 2'ls' a teleprinter equipment factory in We.t February. 1986. The programme enviaa,et Bensal in the joint sector ; organisation of Shramadan youth campa in selected locations for river f1'ont conser. (b) whether the State Government vation and development and for promotion has approached the Centre f or a licence of public awareness about the problema in this regard ; and of river pollution. (c) if 80, when the necessarY,licence ia likely to be issued 1 Electronic Based Industries in Kerst.

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THB 3379. SHRI MULLAPPALLY MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND RAMACHANDRAN: Win . the PRIMB TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MINISTER be pleased to state : MENTS 'OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEcrRONICS (a) whether there is any proposal to AND SPACE (SHRt SHIVRAJ v. PATIL) : strat new electronic based industries ia : No. Sir. Kerala ; and (b) : Yes, Sir. The WBEIDC. a State (b) whether industries produciq Government Undertaking. had applied for ancillary items required by 1arle ele4;tronicl Letter of Intent in March, 1985 ror industries will be started at Canannore in manufactule of . E'ect~oDic Teleprinters KcraJa' since fKeltron' the largest su~b with foreign collaboration. Subsequently indU8try is located there 'I iD 'May. '1981 the party in their representation indicated that they propose to 'THE MINISTER OF STATE 'IN 1IIB . implement tbis project in joiot sector with MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH~O. .the participation of Siemens, Welt Germany LOGY AN.O IN THE DEPARTMENTS Usiila their tecbnol<>U. ' OF~ OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC 51 Written Ans wers MAIlCH 19~ 1986 Writt'" A"swer,

BNERGY, ELECI'RONICS AND SPACE (4) A new programme on 'Plant "no- (SRRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) ~ (a) and (b) ; urcee Survey of !Coraput district of. Government has. not received any appli- Orissa' bas been initiated. cation for industrial licence for setting up a new electronic based ind ustry in the PI'ogr4si achIeved if as fol/ow' : Government sector. Keltron is a Kerala State Government Undertaking. The (i) Inventory of the medicinal and responsibility for attracting industries to other economic plants of SimiU· produce an.;;iHary items rests with the sta Ie pahar forest has been prepared. Governmen t. The Department of Electro- Qualitative evaluation or selected nics gives necessary guidance whenever plants suitable for commercialisa- necessary. tion ha~'e ·been identified.

Researches done by Regional RescarJ:b Laboratory, Bhubuneswar (ii) The multitrial on solanum viarum was taken up to select suitable 3380. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: genotypes. Studies were conducted WHI the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to on lemongrass with respect to oil atate : yield per hectare. Improved pal. (a) whether the Regional Research marosa selections were evaluated Laboratory, Bhubaneswar has played a in rcp1icated trials. A study on pioneering role in a revolutionary conccpt- the significant oil content was also transportation of coaJ froIn the nllIles to the done. consumers, and if successful this is likely (iii) Study is in progress on cinnamon to reduce the load on the overstre~ched rail- plants. way system; (b) if so, whether the work for develop. (iv) Study on nitrogen and phosphate ing various agro·products particularly medi- requirenlcnt of Dioscrea tloribunda cinal and aromatic plants, has also been waS made for tuber production. taken up ; ~nd Another study on mutagenesis of same species was carried out. (c) if so, the ddails regarding its programme .and other things Regional Research Other major technologies developed by ~boratory has dc, ::hped ? Regional Research Laboratory (RRL), Bhubane~w(Jr : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCH:NCE AND (i) Process for recovery of coking coal TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- fines from washery rejects. MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND (ii) Process for beneficiation of chrOe ·SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) mite. Yes, Sir. (Iii, P (ocess for pan sinteriol 0 f 0 (b) and (c) Yes. Sir. In the area of fines. aromatic and medicinal plants, Regional Research Laboratory. Bhubaneswar has (iv) Technology for transportation of taken up the fo}Jowing R&D Program- coal, ores etc. through pipelines. mes: (1) Resources survey of Similipahar (v) Development .of an acoustic Bur- forest for med icinal and other ner (or efficient fuel oil burnina. .~, economic plants. (2) MultHocation varietal evaluation (vi) Process for beneficiation of complex trials of Sufanum viarum lemon.. . sulphides and hydrometalluraical Irass and Palmarosa. extraction of usable metals. (3) Cultivation and improvement of (vii) Pro~ess for beneficiation and cinnamon ,and Dioscrea fI oribund" agglomeration of ofe finel (ChrO," and other eeonomic plants. mite fines). I :rrr_lat1olJ] FORESTS (IHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (I) Yes, Sir; Plftlag up tile Poit of CoIuaI.,loaer for , SC./ST. (b) Yes, Sir; 3381. SHRI SIMON 'TIOGA: Will (c) The scheme prepared by the Jammu the Mini,ter of WBLF ARB be pleased to , lit Kashmir Government is 'estimated at a ltate : total cost of Rs. 64 crores spread over three phases. Ac~ording to the State Government, , (a) whether it'is a fact that post of the the work on Phase-I was started in 1978 Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and and on Phase·II in 1983·84. but the pro- Scheduled Tribes 'has been lying vacan t for· gress has been slow due to paucity of a 1001 time; funds. (b) if 10, the reasons for not filling up luch an important post.; Import of TV' Components 3383. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: (c) whether Government propose .:ither Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to to provide statutory status to the Com- state: missioner or to enhance its powers ; (a) whether it is a fact that high qua· (d) if so, by what time; and lity components for the TV arc being im .. (e) if not, the reasons therefor? proted ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, whether any foreign company MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI has offered its services to establish its unit GIRIDHAR GOMANOO): (a) and' (b) in India to manufacture such components The post of Special Officer, also known as in India, if so, the details thereof and the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and action taken by the Government: and .Scbeduled Tribes has since been filled up (c) what is the Government policy in on 11 th February, 1986. regard to establish such units in India (c) to (e) The Special Officer, by virtue which manufacture high quality compo- of his appointment under Article 338 of the nents 1 Constitution, has constitutional status; TH~ MINISTER OF STATE IN THB and the provision of the said Article is MINISTRY OF SClENCE AND adequate. TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART.

MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTt [English) ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): <8> Pollution in Dal Lake 1n the area of consumer electronics the '382. SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will import of components is taking place, the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to primarily, for the manufacture of colour TV state -: sets. (a) whether an official survey has been (b) A foreigii colJaboration proposal made of the pollution in the Dal Lake ,as bas been received fronl MIs. Aridhra well as of encroachment therein; Pradesh Electornics Development Corpora- tion Limited for the settlng up of a Colo.ur (tr) whether the State Administrat_ion Picture Tube plant with MIs. Philip., have approached tbe Central Government Holland. The proposal involves majority for assistance in implementing a develop- foreign, equity participation and is under ment plan for the Dal Lake ; and' considoration of the Government.

(c) if so, the estimated coat of the (c) The tnteacated Policy statement laid development ~hcme and the l.kely date for on the Table of the House on March 21. ita completion ? 1985 .allows foreign . equity campanice to establish projects in the. area of elec- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tronic components where the technoloaY is MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND closely held, ,t: . I Written Answer, MARCH 19, 1986 Written AluM" 56

" Cleaning of River Ganga io Bihar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF ,SCIENCB AND - ~384. SHAI D. P. YADAVA: Will TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DBPA:'tti. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ,MBNTS OP, OCEAN DBVELOPMENT, state: ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONIcS 'AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) (a) ",hethei operation Ganga cleaning_ Yes, Sir. has started in Bihar : (b) An outlay or Rs. 65 crores bas been (b) if so, the steps taken by Government provided' for additional investment on In Monghyr District ; and expansion in EelL during the 7th Plan period. ' (c) the amount sanctioned for the pur.. pose during 1985·86 ? (c) By the end of the Seventh. Plan period annual production is expected' to THE MINJSTER OF STATE IN THE reach Rs. 280 crores as against Rs. 77 MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND crorers for the year 1984-8S. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) Yes, Sir. As r,f March 7. 1986, draft schemes Expend fture on boding Republic Day Parade for Bhagalpor and Monghyr towns at, a 3386. SHRI SANAT KUMAR notional CO$t of Rs. 14.16 crores and pre.. MANDAL: Will the M inlst-er of, liminary reports for 14 schemes in Patna DEFENCE be pleased to state : at an esti£Pated cost of Rs, 3.96 crores have been received. Ouf of :these! six schemes , (a) the total expenditure incurred on ill Patna at an esthnated cost of Rs. 70.44 the holding of the Republic Day Parade. lakhs have been sanctioned. 1986 ; and

(b) The Govt. of Bihar have submitted (b) the total earnings from the sale of a draft scheme for Monghyr town at a tickets ? notional cost of Rs. 4.68 crores for schemes THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such as laying intercepting sewer, treatment DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESE. pJant. The detailed project reports for ARCH' AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI each· scheme are to be prepared by the ARUN SINGH): (a) The arrangement. Government of Bihar. in connection with celebration of Republic (c) As of March 7. 86, an amount of Rs. Day in New Delhi are made by various 35.22 lakhs bas been released for six schemes agencies such as Central Ministries/Depart.. in Patna. Sincc no specific scheme with ments, State Goyernments/Union Territory detailed project report for Monghyr town has Administrations, local bodies and other been received the question of sanctioning official and non-official agencies. Tho any amount does not arise at this stage. practice has been that the expenditure' on various items is borne' by the asencio. which may be concerned with particular Capacity Expansion by Electronics Cor- items/activities. Full account of expendi. poration of India ture incurred by var ious agencies ii not 3385. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PATNAIK: collected and exhibited under one head Will the PRIMe MINISTER be pleased to of expenditu,re relating to Republic Day. atate : It is thereiore. not possible to give a total figure of exp~nditure. (a) whether Electronics Corporation of (b) The sale proceeds of tickets for the India Limited, proposes to expand its capa· Republic Day Parade 1986, amollnted to city during the Seventh Five Year Plan; • Rs. 7.41,095/-• (b) if so,. to what extent and thctamount Industrial licences for VCR and Micro"iWave propos~d to be spent on the expansion of Oven Units ,EelL during the Seventh p'lan ; and 3~87. SHRI' SRIKANTA DAtTA (C) the details of expan8ion programme NARASIMHARAJA WADtVAR: 'Wnt of Electronics Corporation of India Limi- the PR.IME MINISTER be pleased to ted '1 state :., .. W,.ml" ~"" PHALGUNA 28. 1907 (SAKA) Written Answ,rs 58

" • ,'J • ... , ' (8) the Dumber of Industrial licences Berha'mpore of Murshidabad District, West .tamed to set up VCR· and microwave BeDsal under Ganga Action Plan' : and ~ unita' in 1985.. 86 ; (b) the broad outlin',,. of the' plan to (b) the Dumber of aueb units set up in be taken up In the town in the D,ext two the above year; yeats? ,'(c) whether Government have chansed THE M)NISTER OF STATE IN THE the policy of granting licences to set up MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Iuc;h units; FORBSrS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI): (a) The Government of We.st Benga~ have submitted . (d) if so, auidelines prepared for Iran- a preliminary report in November, 1985. tUta now licences to set up yea and micro. for schemes in Berhampore town at a noti. wave oven units : and onal cost of Rs. 7.25 crores. The Govern- (e) the details thereof '1 ment of West Bengal have, been asked to prepare detailed project reports for the , THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB schemes.. The actual amoun t8 to be allot. MINISTRY OF SCIENCB AND TECH. ted win depend on the schemes sanctioned. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (b) The project proposal envisages OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC the following types of schemes :- EMF-R.OY, ELECfRONICS AND SPACB (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b) (i) laying of an intercepting sewer in No industrial licences have been granted the town. to set up VCR and microwave oven units (ii) installation of a treatment plant in 1985-86. with component for generation 01 (c) to (e) Government had invited bio-energy. composite applications for the manufacture (iii) Low cost sanitation and of VCRs/VCPs and microwave ovens. The last date for the submission of applications (tv) River Front Development includ· to tbe Secretariat for Industrial Approvals ing facilities for river users. (SIA), Department of Industrial Develop- ment, Ministry of Industry, was 24th Janu- Land De,'elopment Authorities in States ary, .1986. In response 65 such applications have been recei ved by the prescribed last '3389. SHRI OURUDAS KAMAT: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to date, i.e. 24.1.1986, for the manufacture of VCRs/VCPs and 44 for the manufacture state: - of. microwave ovens. The applications are (a) Whether the State Governme~t have at present being scrutinised by an inter- been asked to set up Land Development departmental Task Force. Authorities in order to utilise the Waste- lands; . ,'Government propose to issue industrial licences for the manufacture of VCR and (b) if so, the detai Is thereof ; 'microwave ovens oaly to such parties as are prepared to commit sizeable invest- (c) whether such an Authority hal ments for suitable vertical intergration, beeD set up in Maharashtra : and with an accelerated pbased manufacturing (d) whether setting up of Land Deve- proaramme ; and which have the requisite lopment Authority would provide employ- InbuiJt capacity tQ keep pace with the ment to the rural unemployed? changing technology. THE MINISTER OF STATE .IN THB Amount for Murshidabad District under Ganga MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMBNT AND Action Plaa FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI):

adequate attention. This request has been OF OCEAN DEVELOPMEMT, ATOMIC reiterated from time to time. At the ENERGY, ELECfRONICS AND SPACE moctinJ of the National Land Use & Waste- (SHitl SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: (a) Yel, Sir. lands Development CouncU held on Febru- ,at)' 6, 1986, the need to revitalise State (b) to (d) Skilled perIOD.', on reason- Land Use Boards was reiterated, .as also able charles, may Dot be easiy available in to crcate them wherever they do not exist~ rural areal. This problem docs oot seem "to exist, by and large, in cities and toWD'~ The Prime Minister wrote to the Chief In addition to the existing skilled man- Min,isterl in June 1985 suggestio; the need power available, Government or India has to establish a State level organisation on started a Crash Programme for trajoiol the lincs of the National Land Use and service technicians for common electronics Wastelands Development Council to·discuss products like T.V., VCR etc. 44 Industrial . and decide optimum land usc policies with· Traioinl Institutes have been identified In the broad guidelines set by the National to. start this prolramm~ from June, 1986 Council. at widely aispersed locations to ensure that services of these technicians become It was also decided at the Council available in all parts or the country. meeting on February 6. 1986 that there Government proposes to extend this pro- ahould be a nodal agency/mechanism in gramme to about 100 ITlsjPolytechnics. the State for coordinating, funding and activities relating to· differen t schemes of afforestation and wastelands development, Manufacture of Electronic Control J.nstrumea- ta lion Indigenously .1 well as for monitoring and evaluation. (c) A State Land Use Board has been 3392. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: eet up in Maharashtra. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (d) Proper utilisation of degraded lands in the country through coordinated efforts whether electronic industrial con- of the State Land Use Board would provide trol instrumentation is being manufactured better opport unities of employment to the in Inctia ; rural unemployed, while ensuring better (b) if so, whether indigenous produc- land use as well. tion has been given any protection against cheaper import from abroad: Technical persons for T. V. (c) whether te..::hnology upgradatioD 3390. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK : in this area is taking place ; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (d) if so, how a!1d to what extent? (a) whether it is a fact that a revolu- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE. tion has taken place in the Indian T .. V. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TBCH· scene in the past few 'years and T. V. bas NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS become a mass mediuol ; OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC· (b) if so, keeping in view its manu.. ENERGY. ELECTRONICS A'NO SPACE. facturers, whether Government have tried (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a> Yes, Sir. to make technical persons easily available (b) Yes, Sir. to the T.V. viewers who could assist them '" in case the T. V. gets some defect ; (c) Yes, Sir. (c) whether Government are aware that (d) The present analog technology is skilled persons are not easily available and progressively being upgraded to d ialtal their charges are very high ; and technology. The indig,.nous manufacturers arc uPlrading their technology throUlh : (d) if so, suitable measures taken to help the TV viewers in this regard 1 (i) entering into foreign collabora- tions, THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THJ3 MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH-, (ii) obtaininl design &, drawinp .for l'-10LOGY AND IN TJiE DEP.AR.TMENT~ $\lcb tccbnolos~ throufh im.,oJ ts PHALOUNA 28. lt07 (8..4£4) Written Answ~r"

,(iii) avaiHn. the test and development' which was presented to the House and alao faciHties throqgh ETDC for qua- discusse din fhe House in December 1985. Ii ty ~iJl1 provement ; and Further, the Economic Survey for 1985-86 also contains';1 spccifb chapter on Infraa- (iv) R &, D recognition and support . tructure. These documents may please be for prototype development and improving production methods. refened to for the c~tai1s. .

Mobilisation of Resources by. Private Cor·' I RePresentation froID Kerala against slashing porate sector in Seventb Plan of Sa!ea Tax by POlld,icberry 339S. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will 3393. SHRI K. MOHANDAS : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be plea- state : led to state : (a) how the private corporate secto~ whether Kerala h 1 S re pr !sented intend to mobilise resources to achleve ~O spinst the arbitrary slashing of sales tax per cent growth rate in the Seventh Plan; on many commodities by the' Union Terri- "tory of ~ondicberry resulting in a decline (b) whether Government propose to in trade in Kerala ; allow the private corporate sector to raise additiona 1 resources from the rural and (b) if so, whether any step has been semi-urban areas; and takeD to discourage the Union Territory from taking such unilateral deci sions. on (c) if so, details thereof? tax ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. Ie. (c) if so, details thereof? PANJA): (a) The Seventh Plan aims at THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE an overall annual average growth rate of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 8 per cent for the industry sector during AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the five-year period (1985 .. 90). The private MINISTP~Y OF HOYlE AFFAIRS .corporate sector is envisaged to mobilise (SHR( RAM NI\VAS MIRDIIA) (a): resources during t'h~ plan period primarily The State of Kerala has recently brought to through interna1 surpluses and raising of the notice of the Central G vervml.!l1t that capital from the open market- in the form reduced sales ta~ on many commodities by of equity, debentures, etc. the Un ion Territory of Pondicherry results (b) and (c) The private corporate sector in diversion of trade from KeraJa. is already allowed to raise resources from (b) and (c) The matter is being exa- the mark et in approved forms throughout the mined by the. Central Government in country_ consultation with the Union Territory of Pondicherry. Demands for Asian Blind Union

3396. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: Unclerutilisatioo of Infrastructure WilJ the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: 3394. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Will . ··the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to (a:) what are the demands which are atate the steps proposed to be taken to pending with Government from the Asian tackle the problems of underutilisation of Blind Union; and available infrastructure, following pros- (b) the decision so far taken thereon, pe~hy in agricultural and mining sectors of the economy? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Ministry MINISTRY OF PLANNIG (SHRl A.K. of Welfare has not received any demands PANJA) : The problems of under-utilisa- from the Asian Blind Union. tion of available infrastructure have been eet QU( in the Seventh PJan docu(llcnt, (b) Does not aris~. MAl. CB 19, 1!)86 ""Itte. ArtIWI"

Ne" sehe-.es for ,RehabiUtatloa of the , Blind 2. Jobs which can be performed by bapdicapped includilll blind persoDa without , \ "3397. SHRI RADHAICANTA DIGAL : loas of ellci~ncy have 'al,1O beta Idebtiftcd. Will ,the Minister of WBLFARE be pleased 120 different cateaories of jobs have been to .tate : . inedntifled as suitable for the blind out of a total of about 1100 catqoriea suitable '01 the handicapped• . ,

(c) Government of India are imple- 1982 652 9381 mentating the Ifollowing schemes/program.. 1983 28S 6444 ~ and extending the following concessions 1984 245 5730 for the employment and rehabilitation of .,--- the blind and other handicapped persons. 5. 14 Voca'tional Rehabilitation Cell- 1. 3 per cent vacancies in Central tres have been set up to assess the residual Government in group C and D posts and ability of the disabled, arrange the trainiDi in comparable pos ts in Central Public and place them in reaular employment. Sector· Undertakings have been reserved for Si~ skill training workshops and 11 the physically handicapped-one per cent Rural Rehabilitation centres have been each for the blind, deaf and the orthopae- added to the .vRC'. to promote the place· dically handicapped. According to the ment of the handicapped in tural .area •• available information, the number of handi.. During the past three years, the number of capped including blind persons appointed blind and handicapped persons, rebabilita- in Group C and D posts in the recent pait ted by these centres is as follows: in Central Government offices and public fleetor undertakings is as under :

Min istries IDepar t- Public Sector men~s Undertakina

C D C D 1982. 215 146 583 343 1983 264 423 ' 223 120 ,984 182 279 349 123 ,6$ PHALGUNA 28. 1907 (SAICA) Wrllten Alfsw.,.,J

6. ,Miniatry of Communications ,I.es (c)' funda earmarked ror each deveJQP· public telephones ,booths to' 'bandicaPf)ed ment scheme and projects for each year ; periime" inch.ldfn* :bUnd perlons to beJp aDd them earn a livin.. Till DOW morc than 2000 public telephone boothS Iulve iiven to (4) the atate.. wise funds re.leased and bandicapped perIOD.. i i~nt 61, .toe reipcctive States during the 7. Loan. arc available from banka at lame period ? ' Domlna1 .rate. of interest to enable the handicapped perlons f9t lettiog up .elf- . '. TBB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE employed venturu. NINfstJtY OP WELFARE (SHRI GlltIPijf\t!. OOMANGO): (a) For are1;\S 8. To encouraie their employment in ot I're'ominant tribal concentration the public and private; lector. Governme,nt of trib.d llib-plan approach has been in opera- 11;14:1ia aives ~atiClQal awards to th~ mOlt 11R.~l a.i~~ the Fifth Five Y~ar Plan. Deve- eMcient employees and outstanding emplo- lopment .chemes covering agricul fure, yers of handiCapped. Infmal husbandry t horticulture, minor 9. NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR THE' h'rlaadoB, soil conservation, forest fisheries VISUALLY HANDICAPPRD, DBHllA- ~~tion •. public health, drinking water DUN .~uqp'I1... ~ etc., are taken up under the .Ut;.Plan. these schemes are incorporated The Nationallnstitutc for the VisuaU, hi tbe tribal sub-plans of the St ates and Handicapped set up in 1979 hal been de"6- ditc~Qed at the Government of India level. Joped into an apex OfIan is ation to'" deal ~he,~e",wi,~ sanctions are not issued. with development of manpower, research t6ese achemes are implemented in the' and development of rehabilitation services ~tites t'hrough 181 Integrated Tribal Deve .. for t~e visually handicapped in the country. lo,pmcnt Projects, 24S pockets of tribal It has initiated several training and research concentration (MADA pockets) and 72 proarammes during the past three years. primitive tribal group projects.

Tribal Area Development Sche_s (b) Information is given in the State.. ment.. I below. 3398. SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA GAVIT : Will the Minister of WELFAIlt:! (c) and (d) Schemes enumerated in be pleased to state: part (a) of the question are financed by' (a) the names of the dcvelopmcst sche- the State Governmenfs o~t of a pool of composed of State Plan mes in each State sanctioned by Union reSOUJ eea flow to Oovernmen't for the tribal, areas, during the tribal sub-Plan, Special Central Ass;stance last three yea rs, year-wise : released by the Ministry of Welfare, sectoral prOlrammes of the Cen~ral Ministries and (b) the names of the development institutional finance. State-wise amounts projects sanctioned for each State by Union released out. of Special Central Assistance Government for the tribal . areas during the · and expenditure incurred thereon are .given last three years, year-w'ise ; in the Statement-II below. 67 .W,'"t1t t4"swers MAR.CH 19, 1.986' W,tlNn A",w,rs

StatealeDt-l Projects lanctloned durlllg 1982 .. 83 10' 1984-85

State .. Pockets of 'fribal Identified Primitive Concentration Tribal Groups 1 2 3

1. Andhra 1, Polepally. 1. Bado-Gadaba Pradesh 2:. Towklapur 2. Bondo Poroja 3. Ylaralamanda 3. Gutob Gadaba 4. Pedda Adsalapallc 4. Khond Poroja S. Vaddipatla . 5. Parengi Poroja 6. Tungapahad 6. Thoti 7. Kesvapur 7 ~ Dongarial-Khonda 8. Konda Sabara. 8, Talusingaram 6 9. Ramulapally 9. Kutit Khond 10. Vattikbammampaba4 11. Chedella 12. Chandupatla 13. Chikadimamidi . 14. Prustapur 15. Vailapally 16. Amanlal 17. Kadtbal 18. Chadura'{alle 19. Yachram 20. Kummara Kuotla 21. Staaratpuram.

2. Gujarat 1. Siddis 2. Kolgha 3. Padhar 3. Kerala 1. Kadar 2. Kattunaikam 4. Madhya Pradesh 1. Kamar S. Manipur 1. Marram Nagas 6. Orissa . 1. Lakhanpur 1. Birhor 2. DeogaoD Pa tnaaarh 2. Didayi 3. Tentelkhunti 3. Lodha 4. Athamalik S. Sinapali 6. Jaipatna 7. Kbarian I 7. Rajasthan 1. Jhalra Patan IC.hanpur 2. Ladpura Ram,anj Mandi t. t)ttar 'Pradesh 1. Buxa Wr/ll'1I ~"'W'" PHALOUNA Zf•. 1907 (SAKA) 10

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AIIOta/lon of Special Central AsshMt/lCrtlk:/or 'r'" Sub-Plall aNl ExpsndilufS , . "parl,d bylh, Slat. 00,.,."",.,.'8 '

(lb~ lit Lllkha)

State 1982-83 1983-84 1984-8' Relucd Blponditure Released Expenditure Released Expenditure

1 2 4 , 6' 7·

Andhra Pradesh 428.41 472.1S '11.'2 607.44 '89.40 t.~ 576.32

Allam 411.00 333.64 477.33 450.12 539.58 533.50· Bibar 1349.28 1127.82 1566.89 1223.85· 1832.47 1750.06-

Gujarat 798.26 798.26 908.26 908.26 1087.62 1087.62-

Himachal 140.20 143.22 158.27 133.58 200.51 232.7S Pradesh

I(.arna taka 68.00 42.58 77.98 59.60 122.61 110.51

ICerala 56.00 SO.OO 62.S! 62.39 64.01 58.17

Madhya Pradesh 2677.83 1625.44 3104.95 1522.46 3652.52 4140.40*

Mabarashtra 646.00 721.23 7S8.7S 645.42 799.33 781.57

Manipur 17LOO 176.36 197.09 196.7~ 238.94 238.79·

Orissa 1344.42 1344.32 1495.19 1494.81 1763.19 1762.30

Rajasthan 636.79 667.57 722.11 716.19 839.30 886.54

Sikkim 2S.00 N.A 29.18 N.A 37.17 36.17 Tamil Nadu 105.00 97.70 121.88 121.88 135.41 121.72

1I Tripura 159.00 156.93 181.92 181.38 199.34 200.42

Uttar Pradesh 17.81 18.81 24.39 20.22 26.00 18.81

West Benaal 421.00 418.17 500.08 527.04 524.60* 556.00*

A&N Islands 40.00 26.20 9S.0l 25.21 3.00 23~3S

G08, Daman Diu 5.00 6.50 6.00 5.99 7.00 6.97

9500.00 8226.90 11000.00 8867.63 12662.00 13122.00 '. '~ , ,. Wrltt,,, Answt,I MARCH 19. 1986 . WrItten Answtrs 12 . . ; Improvement of National Highway No. '44 State Land. Use Boards for the purpose or . 3399. SHRI SUDARSHAN DAS: determlniol and monitoring the appropriate Will the Minister of ,DEFENCE be pleased land 'use. in an integrated fash ion. The to state: National Land Use and Wastelands Deve- lopment Council, in its meeting on the 6th (a) whether Government have any February. 1986, decided that the Land Use plan for improvement of the condition of Boards at the State level should be revita.- the National Highway No. 44 rUDDing . I ised, and wherever they do not exist, they from lowai in Meghala~a to Agartala in must be created. The decision of the Tripura by y..idening and strengthenina of ' Council has been communicated t,o tho the road as per National Highway' specifi- States/Union Territories. cation; and t, (b) if so, the details thereof? Setting up or Nuclear Power Plants In Sta tes . . , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3401. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU: Will DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESE- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI state : ARUN SINGH: (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the percent~ge of nuclear power (b) The road has already been develop- of the total power generation in tile coun- ed to single lane National Highway speci- try; and fication (3.75 metres carriageway) at a cost' of about Rs. 25 crores. Furth.er (b) whether there is any, plan to in- development of the road involving streng- crease .the percentage of atomic power thening of pavement, construction of per- generation in the Seven th Plan? manent bridges, culverts, 'protective walls THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and widening of road formation is in MINISTRY OP SCIENCE AND TECH- progress. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Meeting of National Land the and Waste ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Land D~velopment _Council (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) The present installed nuclear power generation 3400. SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : Will Capacity is 1230 MW, which is about of the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 3% the total power generation in the country. state : (a) whether during the course of the (b) It is proposed to add 470 MW to meeting of the National Land Use and this installed capacity· during the Seventh Waste Land Development Council which Plan. was held in New Delhi in early February. 1986 have felt the need to set-up the Employment of lAS OtJiceWl._tn Ppublic Sector machinery within the State Government's Undertakings after refitement which have the authority to regulate the 3402. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD land use; SINGH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be (b) if so, the time 'by which such a pleased to state : machinery is likely to be set-up io. the the number of lAS officers wotkinl States; and as on 31st December, 1985 in public sector (c)' whether the instructions in this undertakings after their . retirement and regard have been issued to all the State the reasons therefor; Governments and if so, the details thereof? (b) whether Government have a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE scheme to give' incent ive to the retired MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND lAS ofticers by employing them in some of FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) the moccs which are controUed 'either by Yes, Sir. State, Government or Union . Government i and (b) and (c) Th¢ States and Union Terri.. tories were requested in 1974 to set up (c) "if so, the details thereof '1 Written ~SW'I'i>

THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THB fjtatemeat MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, fUBLIC GltievANcBS 'AND PBNSION~ (~HRI The Action Plata 'drawn up by the P. CHIDAMBARAM):' (a) 'The req~i .. National Wastelands 'Development Board l and accepte~ by the State/U.T. Government. lite information is beina coUoc;tod and , walt be placed on the TabJe of the House. for implementation has the following key element :~ (b) No, Sir. " . 1. Identification of Wastelands (c) Does not ar ise. Each State/V.T Government hal been requested to identify wastelands Wasteland Development Plan in their 'territory whether they be in forest area, revenue{com~oD 3403. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the lands or degraded farm lands .. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 2. People's involvemen t (a) whether in February' last the Prime Thi~ .. wiH be ensured by the followin, Minister announced a plan for wastel~n~ measures :--. development at the rate of some five mill I .. on hectal'ts a year ; , (a)' Decentralised ,Vllr r;eries : People's nurseries i.e. kisans, schools, (b) whether it requires abJut: 10 "billion women, Youth groups, voluntary seedlings and about Rs. 2,500 crores a year; agenCies. etc., will be motivated to meet the incl'eas:!d demand of (c) if so, whether our nurser~es are in, seedlings. a position to produce the requIred n~m. (b) Farm ForeJtr.J' : Farmers . will b~ ber of seedlings and necessary allocahon to take up tree fanning made therefor in the Seventh Plan; and motivated on thejr marginal lands and planting (d) the steps taken by Government, to on their field b :wds A rational implement this progranlme 1 'poJicy in regard to distribution of seedlings should be evolved. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) Tree, Growers Cooperatives : MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT ~ND Tree Growers' co-operativ"s should FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes, be organised with the involvement of Sir. farmers in raising and distribution of sef:dJings and in tree p)anta- (b) If the entire acreage is to be a~~r,~ tions. ested by planting seedlings, 'the· requlro- ment would be 10 billion seedlings. How: (d) Voluntary Agencies; The grass. ever. a part of the area would be m~dc roots agencies, Mahila Mandals_ green through direct seeding or' through Youth groups would also be motiva. fo~der plantation ~oo. ted in nursery' raisins and troe plantations . .-,_ The total requirement of funds from ,(e) Tree Patlars: Strips of all sources for the development of S land million heactares of wastelands has been 'along roads, rails, canals, etc., estimated at Rs. 2,000 crores per annu~. 'and other' degraded land should be given to the rural poor, wlch (c) Steps arc. being takan to incr~ase usufruct rights on the trees planted see4ling production through dcccBtraltaed by them on such lands.' nurseries. The total Seventh Plan alloca- 3. Na,,Ia~ Agency tion for a!forestation is elpected to be aroun4 Rs. 2500 ~rores. The State/V.T•.. Governments haw . been . requested to identify a sinsle (d) An Action Plan has be~n c~atkM ' nodal aaency for ensuring aa,,, alyc~ out details of whic:h are an .the integrated• I, . approach for the' • • 1 f • ~ ( erlclosed statement. 'ilnp,lemeri.tat~on or the proarammt 75' Written A",w,,'

which is being executed by diffor01lt bocIlea/iDltitutioDI bavins lubstantial ale ncies, oflicial and otherwise. arcu of uDutilieed lands must brilll luch land under tree' cover. 4. Seed It. Media ad eo. ••lcattea The States/Union Territories have A massive publicity C8mpaipa been requested to extend the scope throuah the traditional media of of .operation of the Cllistiq State folk art and culture, radio. Seed Corporations to inclDde the television and other audio-visual ,production and supply of fodder. aids should be undertaken to cr~te grass and legume seeds to farmers ott awarcnclI amoPI the maSIeI. commercial basis. 12. Mooitorlaa." Evaluatl_ , 5. Leasing of Lands The State/fJ.T. Governments should The State/U.T. Governments have evolve appropriate monitoriol been requested to' prepare luidelines and evaluation mechanisms to ensure for leasing of forest and non-forest .qualitative implementation of the wastelands for afforestation to ,tbe programme. rural poor. PendJIII Cases .of Goa Freedom Flgbters 6, Forest 'based Industries must be enc(.;ara- 'ged to aJforest 3404. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased Wastelands to produce the raw lnate- to state: rial needed by them. Industries must also be enthused to raise tree cover (a) how many pension cases of freedom on wastelands with a view to tiabterl of Goa, referred to the Union provide eemploymeDt to the rural Government by the Goa Government.. are poor as well as to enable them to pendinl wi~h the Home Ministry; and grow . trees on a remunerative (b) by wbat time these cases are likely basis. The State Governments have to disposed of 1 been requested to draw up luidelines be for the lease of 'wastelands to THE MINISTER OF STArE OF THE industries in this behelf. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AND 7. Urban Fuelwood aod Green Belts THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHIll The States/UTs. have been requested RAM NIWAS MIRDHA); (a) 106 cases, to ensure that town. and citic. have out of thOle recommended by Goa Govern- green belts of ,fuelwood and. fodder ment for Swatantrata Sainik Samman plantations to cater the urban to "nlion are pen~ina finaU.ation. fuelwood and fodder needs. (b) All possible steps are beiDI taken to 8. Degraded Forest Areas flDa1- these CAseS cxpeditiouIJy. Statez; have been requeated to ide~tify dearaded rorest lands MuufaetariDI of Electronic Watches and to reforest them with fuelwood and fodder .pecies. 3405'. SH'RI CHJNTAMANI lENA: SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: 9. Forest DevelopmeDt C~rporatlons Will the PRIME MINlSTBIl be ple.llet The Forest _Development Corpor•• to Itate : tions should obtain wa.teland, on lease fr m the Government.- for (a> the names of the industries which raising fuelwood and plantations. arc m&Dufactudna electronic \Vatehes in the country and their annual procluction; 1.. Government Departments Government D~partment.. public (b) whether it is a fact that e]~troDic .. lector undertakinll and other watcbet are bein. smuaaled into India• ·.'

(cl if SQ, what steps are boinl taken to (4) Volume production at tbe ecoDomic develop electronic industry aDd particularly level, with contemporary technoloay 10 thc field of electronic watcbel; and . would be the auidinl principle. (d) the name of companiel which have (5) The cJect-ronic component. induttr, . applied for. aranting ) icence ·Ior establishing ,bas becD' delicense(t electronic watch factory in India and the action taken by Government thereon? (6) Pcrmittiol import of -technolOlY t where required to estabUsh appro- TH'E MINISTER OF STATE IN THB priate base, or strengthen/update MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- existing ~base, with simultaneous LOGY AND TN THE DBPAltTMBNTS OF emphasis on . its absorption, adapta- OCEAN DEVELOfMENT, ATOMIC tion and up·aradation, to avoid ENERGY, ELECTRONICS, AND SPACE repetitjve technology imports. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) The names of industral uoits reporting production o'f As regards Digital Electronic Watches, Diaital Electronic Watches (DEWs) and the following major policy steps wero Quartz Analogue Watches (QAWs) and announced, as part of Integrated Policy. their production during 1985 is given in the Measures on Electronics, in the statement Statement be10w. This does not include the made by the Minister of State (S&T) in manufacturers of DEWs in the small scale Parliament, on 21.3.1985 : sector (SSI) who are deceotraHsed. (i) Semiconductor Complex Ltd (SCL) (b) It has come to the notice of would be allowed to manufacture Government that, to some extent, smuaglina and .sell low cost DEW modules to of el(.ctronic watches. particularly of cbeap DEW assemblers, botll in the State diaital electronic watches, is taking place. public sector and small scale units, as well as other units engaged in the (c) The major steps taken by Govern .. manufacture of mechaoical watcbes, ment to develop the Electronic Industry in handicrafts, etc. the country in::lude the followina :- (ii) The small scale "units may be (1) A general liberalisation of lieensina. ptrmitted to sell low cost DEW or policy, with emphasiS on promotion other DEW modules based products rather than on reaulation. directly in the market. If the demand out-strips the capacity of SeL, a (2) Where controls are unavoidable, as a general rule, resort ·will be taken second unit in the private sector will permi.tted to manufacture these to fiscal controls, in ,reforence to be modules. physical controls. (3) By and large, there would be no (d) MIs Binatone Electronics (P) Ltd .• restr iction pf sectoral nature like Sahibabad had applied for an industrial large scaJe, small acale, private licence to manufacture DEWs. The applica- sector. public sector,. etc. i except tion was rejected, as it did not rall within where specific reservations are made Government policy for creation of capac:it,. on special consideratioDl. in the field of DEWs. MAaCH 1~. 1986

$1. No. Itom Quantity Val•• " ~;~~~ (RI. La~~t . ~ ------~~~~------, 1. EleetroniCi Cor,poratioll of Digtat 6.096 8.26 Tamilnadu Ltd. Madra. Electronic ,WatcJl*

: 1. 'Hindustan Machine TWII Quartz 1,63 .. 00()' . 804.97 Watcies

3. Hyderabad Allwyn Ltd .• Quartz 94,022 3,24.31 Hydera~ad. A,naloluo Wat~...

4. ~e1tron C~ystals Ltd .• Diaital 3,896 7.44 Cannanore. Electronic . Watches

. s. RIleo (Watch Assembly), Digital 3,708 2.84 Ajmer Electronic Watcbe,

Extension of Terms (If ComlDission of Inquiry , ex~ended by the State Government upto 15.12j985. The 'term of the Commission hal ·· .. 3406. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Wilt the . DOW - expi red' an~ the Government of' Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to . Madhya Praaesh bas not e~ended the term state: of the Commission any further. Attention (a) whether N. K. Sinah Commission is invited tf), the SuD motu statement made deaHns with Union Carbide disaster .. by the Minister of State for Chemicals and M'athew Commission dealing with Punjab Petro-Chemicals in Rajya Sabha on accord, Kudal Commission dealing with 19.12. 1985. Gandhi PeaCe Foundation could Dot report within the time lim.it initially pre~cribed; 2~ The Mathew Commission WAS CODS- tituted by a Government Resolution' dated (b) if so, the reasons therefor; 2O.8.198S in which it was directed to make its recommendations Dot later 'd~an (c) how many times the t~rm of all these 31.10.1985. Its '"term wa" extended foul' COllllnissions was elttende

3408. SHRfMATI I ARAJSS- . (b) if so, the detailed judgement and I BASAV ' the reaction of the GOYl!rnment tnereto "/ WARI : Win the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STA1:E IN THE DBPARTMBNf OF ' INTERNAL (a) the total number of manufactureR. SECURlTV (SHR[ ARUN NEHRU): (a) of TV tube plants who have been issued and (b) While refusing to permit the police. 1icenccs s , fa r .; to continue inv.;!;t·ig'l~ioll of an offence (b) how many of them are for Black under Section.30,) [,P.C., the Delhi High and White and how many for colour tv C~urt. on 29.3.1985 .. ob~erved as under :._ tubes; and .tThe continuance of Section 309 I.P.C. (c) the total number of plants wherein is an anachronism unworthy of a humane licences are being given in Private Sector, society like ours, Medical cliI)ics for such Joint Sector and Public Sector '1 social misfits certainly' but police and pilsons never. The very idea is revolting. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB This concept seeks to meet the challenge MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TeCHNO- of social strains of modern urban and com- LOGY AND, IN THE DEPARTMEr-rr~ petitive economy by ruthless suppression of OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC mere symptoms this' attempt can only result ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACB. in failure. Need is for ·humane civilised (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATJL): (a) to (c)

. Industrial Licences Pvt. Sector II. Sec/or Pub. Sector B&W TV Picture Tubes 2 4 4 Colour Picture Tubes Nil Nil Nil

LeIter, of Intent; . B&W TV Picture Tubes S 1 6 . Colour Picture Tubes Nil 1 2 . SIA Registrations B&W TV Picture Tubes 12 Nil Nil Colour Picture Tubes 9 Nil 4 83 Written AlIsw~'!I MARCH 19, 1986 w,itt~" bswe"

lteooailDendatioDS of Second World Congress . Space Programme ': On Bagiaeering aDd EnvironllleDt 3411. SHRI K.V. SHANKARA . 3409. DR. CHINTA MOHAN: Will GOWDA : Will the PRIME MINISTBIl the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: be pleased to state :

, "I' (a) whether Second World COQlreSS on (a) whether it is a fact that India', Engineering and Environment held in Delhi , space programme has entered the operatio. 'r'on 8 November t 1985 has advocated that nal stage which can help farm arowth ; DO ha~ardous industries should be set up neat: heavily populated' areas in the country ; (b) if so, whether the space prolramme win help to meet the considerably higher '(b) if so, whether these recommenda- resourct': demands for the mUlti-sectoral tions have been acc'epted by UniC'n and planning ; and . State Govi;rnments '; and

(c) if so, whether any clear instructions (c) if so, by what time the space pro" have been issued in this regard '1 gramme could acheive the results of the farm growth? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE FORESTS (SHRf Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) to MINISTRY OF· SCIENCE AND TECH· (c), The recommendations of the above NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Congress have not yet been rc:eived by OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC the Dt~partment. How~'ver, it may be poin- ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE ted out that the Depa, tment has evolved (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a). (b) and a set of guidelines on the siting of indus- (c) The Indiln Spa.c~ Programme bas a tries (including hazardous) fo.; use and number of activities which, have, relcvanoe reference by all concerned. to agriculture and therefore' to farm growth. These include activities in satel· Production of Uranium Concentrates lite meteroJogy t remote sensing appl ication. 3410 SHRI HARI KRISHNA to water resources, soil, wasteland identi- SHASTRI: Will the PRIME MINISTER fication. identification of saline areas, etc. be pleased to state: In'the . studies of soils, identification of .~~ large surface water bodies, identification (a) quantity of uranium concentrates of saline areas, etc. . considerable near- .. expected to be .,rod u-. .. Ll d ur ing the. current operational experience has been generated i~' ~ I financial year ; and through the activities of scientists from :1, the Depa'rtment of Space and a number of ~b) how the sanle is, expected to be user-agencies, This experience is beiDI utilized in India's Atonlic Energy eftabliih· utilized in the assessment of potcntild '~'~ ments '1 areas where there is need or scope for act. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ion. Satellite meteorological imageries MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO.. are helping in ~e tter assessment of rai'ntalJ. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS which is a very comple~ phenomenon. The OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC data collection platforms set up under the ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE INSA T programme can give, inputs for (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: (a) It is not better water management. There are also considered to be ill Public interest to dis- 8 number of studies under way f0r study. close the figures of production of. uranium ing crop vigour ~nd their relations to concentrates. yield, which are likely to further a.sist in the progress of agricultural pJanninl and (b)' Uranium concentrates produced growth. Various inputs from the space . by Uranium Corporation of India Limited, . .programme outlined above to the appro- a Public 'Sector U ~dertaking under Depart- priate agencies of the State and Central ment of Atomic Enerr;y is utilized for Governments whose activjties jointly and fabrication of fuel for nuclear power severally contribute to farm growth in the Itations and resea.rch reactors. country. This is a ·continuinl proge•• ~ I:) , as Written Answers Writ/en k,wir, '

,Worki. &rOUP to revlefV treads ~o Publ Ie , Fiance ' (4) To promote studies of the 1inaDC;el I • ' of major public enterprises, us,''' " 3412. SHR.I P.M. SAYBBD: Will the the results to recommend mealurw Minister or PLANNING be pleased to to make them financially ao\IDCI I~te : and capable of pneratin, relOurcea ,for their own development ; (a) whether the Planning Commission bas set up a Working Group to conduct (5) To prom\)te and su~rvjse studies a review of the trends in public finances' of the finances of local authorities in the field of' generation of resources for and 'the state of financial adminis- development; tration at the, muni~ipat level, and in the light of such studies to (b) the time by which the results of , evolve policies to enabJe the autho- the s,tudy are likely to be made known: rities to generate much larler and resources than at present ,to finance (c) the details about other terms of essential municipal services and the reference -of the Working Group? needt'd investment in urban infra.. structure; and THE MINISTER OF STATE tN, THE (6) To st udy transfer of resources MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A.K.. from the Centre to the States and PANJA): (a) The Planning Commiss,ion make such recommendations.1 has set up a Working Group to study the may be necessary, which would financial policy issues for sustained growth better meet the relative need of the with reasonable price stability. One of two levels of Government and at the terms of reference of this' Group is to the same time promote efficiency undertak~ a general review of the trends and economy in the use of in public finances with special reference to resources. the generation of resources for development; Inadequate Financial allocation to Human (b) The Working Group is expected R~source, Development to submit its report by the 30th November, J986. 3413. SHRt HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased (c) The details of the other terms .of to state ~ reference of the W~rking Group are as under: (a) the cogent reasons. for' downward fall of financial allocations to the Ministry (1) To examine in-depth the causes and of lluman Resources Development from areas of growth in non-plan expendi. First Five Year Plan upto Seventb Fivo ture giving erophasis to growth in Year Plan ; and Government employment, impact of O.A payments, growth in interest (b) what remed ia,l measures the Gov- payments and the growth ,of sub- ernment propose to take in this regard '1 sidies ; (2) To eXamine, through. detailed case- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN· THB studies, the possibility of redeploy- MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SIIRI. A.lC.. ment of staff which could be found PANJA) : (a) and (b) Although Education to be s\1rp\us in some departments has had a declining share of plan outlay to other development departments from the First to the Sixth Plan, the trend . which need to be explored so as to has been reversed in the Seventh Plan control the growth of expenditure wherein the share of Education. inclu.iv~ on staff ; of Culture and Sports bas increasocl from 2.S8 to 3.SS. One reason for declininl (3) To study and fo~mulate· "sound share of education, in successive plans il policies regarding public borrowing the transfer of recurring component 01 and the management of public Education in each plan to the non-pl,a debt; . budset•. Written Answers Written Answ,r.

E\tcry effort is made to provide maxi- (a) whether .it is a fact that the . 'meet- . ..um possible alloeations, to Education. ing tixed to be 'he'd betweon h 1m and BxtIr· .,.thin the overall con~traint of resources. nat Affairs Minister of Pakistan sometirDel duriQ.I the month of March, 19,86 bas been ~ 'Acquisition of rour Super Computers for postponed 'fer a fut~e 4ate ; f,,' Compiling aDd Creating Data , . (b) jf so, the probable date and veDue . 3414. SaRI RAJ KUMAR RAI; Will of the meeting ; tlte PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (c) the subject matters to be discussed (a) whether tije Department of EJec- at the meeting ; and tl;oojcs is providing a system by which the (d) whether the statement oC P~iJ. data collecting agencies would not only President., published in the 'Times of India· . provide information but also have a media- dated 24 February 1986 as "nothing tinaf yet mam (f interacting with the system to on pact Zia" will also be taken into con';' monitor the economic progress ,of the sideration during the course of discussion.? reaion ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE , (b) if so, whether any time bound MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS is framed for this? programme (SHRI K.R.NARAYANAN) : (a) aDd (b)· THE MINISTER' OF STATE IN THE Dates have yet to be finalised Cor the third MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- meeting of the Indo-Pakistan Joint Co~ NO,LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS mission to be held in Islamabad at ForeilD OF OCEAN DEVELOPMEN_T, ATOMIC Ministers' level. ' ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (c) and (d) In additio'l to a revieW of (SHRl SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) , Yes. bilateral relations~ specific issues win be Sir: Department of Electronics through taken up by the four sub·Commi1sions of, National Informatics Centre (NIC) is pro- the Joint Commission which meet at the viding a system by wb ich the data collect- same time. ins ag~ncies would not only provide information but also a mechanism of. interact- Pending cases of Haryana Freedom Fighters ing with the system to monitor the economic progress. The NIC i~ ex.panding its 3416. SHRI CHIRANJI LAL computer network (NICNET) to the State SHARMA: Will the Minister of HOM,S level in the first instance and then to dis- AFFAIRS be pleased to state : trict leVel for ~t1Hding up an intearated (a) number of applications of FtcedoQ1. 'framework f9r data capture, compilation Fighters which are pending with his Mio.i'· and exchange of timely information among various implementing and decision makins try from Haryana ; a,encies at District, State and Central (b) how long these have been peodiDJ; Government levels.. A number of systems and to monitor the ecunomic progress have bec;n already developed and implemented (c) the action take':l th~reon '1 by NIC for various Central Government Departments. A flash monitoring pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB lJIanlme for large projects and the moni- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS toring of the programme implementation AND THE MINISTER OF STATB IN ate some of such systems. THE MINISTRY ,OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) to (c) (b) Yes, Sir. A time bound programme 256 applications are pending deciaion for fat the '~xpansion of the NICNET to the want of the verification reports to be &ent state and District level has been framed. by the Government of Haryana. Tbose ~8ea will be finalised on receipt of the reporta Postponement of meeting of External Atfairs from State Government reaardinl t~e eli- Ministers of India and Paek . gibility of the applicants for Samman Pension, As most of these applications 3415. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the, pertain to the 1980 Scheme under" whi~h Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be the last date for submittini the applica- plea_ed to ~tate : PHALOllNA 28. 1901'(SAK.t4) Written Answer" tiona Ylat 31st March, 1982. they ar·e pend .. (a) whether Union Government ba"e inl over 3 years. rece ived any prcposa 1 from Uttar Prade'h Government (or geH}ng necessary approval (:oIB1IIiUee for Illodi version of CoDl\tltution under the Forest Act for {Cathpudiacbhina· ~17. SaRI ANQOPCHAND ,saAH : , Seragbat motor'road under 1.:.,'constrl1ction in wili Jhe Minist~r of HOMB AFFAIkS be A1mora district; ~ie~.ed to Ita te : (b) if so, when ,this proposal was ,\ (a) whether the flindl ver.sion of Con- received 6rst artd the reasons'for not ~. 'tlt\lliQQ hal been ,iven for finaJiaa lion to ording necessary lpproval to that pi Q. an, Committee or sub-CommiU~ ; posal ; (b) . if.o, the name or the cbairman of (c) wbe,ther Uttar Pradesh Government .,ach·Committee :. have apin sent revised propo.sals' and ',if . ,J~) if, not· whether Government pro- so, when; ~IC to set ~p auch a commit~ee ; and (d) whether a part of this m')tor road has already been cons tructed ; and (d) if 10 •. details thereof? THE MINISTER OF HUMAN (e) if so, the time by which approvit IlESOURCES DE?VELOPMENT AND THE for construction of the remaining part of' ~i:NiS.TBR OF HOME AFFAIRS, (SHRI the road is likely to be given ? P.V. NARASIMHA RAO)< (a) to (d) The. , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THS i.~tie relating to the preparation of the· MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND authoritative text of the Constitu lion in FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI)': '(8) Hindi has been referred to a sub-Com- Yes, Sir. mittee of the Cabinet. .(b) The proposal was received in Stepping up of Computer Production February, 1982. The work on the project 3418. SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH : was started in Janual Y. 1982 without obtai- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ning rdor approval of the Central Govern- state : ment as required under the Forest (Conser- (.a) whether Government have fixed any vation) Act. 1980 and thus violating the indicative targets to set .up Computer provisions of the slid Act. The Act doe.s Systems Production for Seve'nth Five Year not provide for grant of ex-post-facto app- Plan period ; and roval and therefore no approval was accorded. (b) if so, details thereof? ,(c) No. Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR.y OF SCIENCE AND TECH· (.d) Yes, Sir. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (e) Question does not arise. OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC eNERGY, ELECfRONICS AND SPACE (SHal SHIVRAJ V PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. [English] (b) The 'Government has fixed produc- COmmercial utilisation of Technology Developed by CSIR tkn\ tarlet or Rs. 2440 crores for the Seventh Plan period for computers and ,3420. SHRI YESHWANTltAO dftlce equbnent ,(Personal/Home oomputer, GADAKH PATIL: Wordprocessor etc.) and to acheive produc.. SARI K.. RAMAMURTHY : dOll turnover of about Rs. 870 crDres by "tho tormioal year 19~9-90. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: " [TrQ~,~!alionl t\tproval for construction ~lr Motor ,Road in (a) whether it is a fact that th~ utilisa.. , AJmora District of V.P. tion of research and development work .. "" 3419. SHill HAItlSH itAW AT : Win by labOtatories of th~ Council of ScieotllC .and .Industrial Researoh continues to' 'be tho P.RIME MINISTER Ibe... pleased to .tatt : unsatisfactory ; '1 W,Ir'tlt Answers MARCH 19, 1986 , Wrltt,n Answ",

(b) if so, the percentaae or the pro- ATOMIC ENER.GY, BLECTRONICS AND ceu«* that remained unutilised during the SPACB (SHRI SHIV~AJ V.' PATIL): (a) rearl 1984-8~ and 1985-86 (upto date); Yes, Sir. and (b) 'In addition to the on.,o'DI pro- (c) measures taken to improve their jects, two new atomic power stations elch , commercial utilisation to reduce dependence of 2 X 235 MWe at Kalla in Karnataka ",4 on foreIgn techology ? as expansion at Rawatbhata in Rajasthan have already -been approved for taking up' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TFfB during the Seventh Plan period. Additional MINISTRY OF ~''r. SCIBNCE AND power statioos to be set up and sites rot . TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART· locating these stations are under conlidera- MBNTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMBNT t tion. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECI'aONICS AND 7 SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) (c) Amount demanded by the Depart. No. Sir. ment of Atomic Bnergy for the' Seventh Plan is Rs. 2392.29 crores .. and the alloca- (b) Does not arise. tion finally made is Rs. 1410 crores. (c) The commercial utilisation of CSIR (d) It has been decided in principle to processes is satisfactory. To further set up a Nuclear Power Corporation. improve their utilisation, processes invoJv- ina significant investments, are offered (e) India would be willing to share it, expertise with other developing through the involvement of engineering con.. countrles in generatton from atomic Iultancy orsanisations. power energy.

[Trondotl OilJ [English] Implementation 'of Rebabll itation scheme ' Nuclear Energy Generation and New for Refugees Atomic Power PI,ants 342~. DR. G. S. RAJHANS: Will the 3421. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS be pleased ~o SHAKTAWAT: Will the PRIME MINtS- state: TEll be pleased to state : (a) whether It is a fact that several (a) whether Government have a taraet State Governments are very slow in imple- of generating 10,000 Meghawatt nuclear menting the rehabilitation schemes for ener8Y by the end of this century and have refugees; made initial preparations to achieve this ,_ taraet ; (b) if so, which are those States and whether the Union Government have called (b) the number of new plants proposed upon them for the _s::ompletion of the reha- to be set up in the country by the Depart- bilitation work without further delay; ment of Atomic Energy ; and (c) the amount demanded by the (c) the progress achieved so far by the Department of Atomic Energy for Seventh State Governments on the implementation Plan period and amount actually provided of the rehabilitation schemes for refugees ? to them; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) 'whether Government propose'to set 'DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL up a Nuclear Power Corporation; and SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (e) whether India propose to provide and (b) . Vario'Us State Governments, have Nuclear Technology to the developing coun- been implementing a number of schemes for tries of the third world 80 as to make them rehabilitation of refugees. Progress. in economically sound ? implementing cer lain schemes in some ,of the States has not been upto expecta. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tions. The Government of India have been MINISTRY OF SCIENCE - AND impressing on the concerned State Govern- TBCHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART.. ments to complete the prooe·ss of reectUe .. YBNTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, m~nt work expeditiously. 93 W,It"" AfII'W,r, PHALGUNA 21. 1907 (SAKA) Wrltte" Answer.'

(c) The wode relatina to milr~nts from [Tranalatlon] former Bas~ Pakistan in agriculture and Deve'opmellt of At'avali HIli ..11 trade is by and larle OVer in most. of the ·States. As regards'Tibetan refugees. 3424. SHRI VIROHI CHANDBR. 38.000 have already been set tIed with . !AIN: Wi~l the Minister of PLt\NNING Government assistance in agriculture, small . be pleased to state: acale industries. etc. About 3,200 more (a) whether' it is a fact that Union arc in the process of resettlement. In accepted in principle the rcaJ)CCt of displaced persons of Indo-Pale Government bave Cooftict of 197 I, the process of their settle- scheme (or developing At-avaH hill area ; .. ' meat is over except for provision of certain (b) if SOt the reasons for delay in intraltructural facilities. The work of . according approval to it by the Planning roaettlement of refugees from former East Commission; and . Pakistan in West Bengal" is almost over aneS only some residuary works remains to (c) the time by which the proposed bo completed. scheme will be approved? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T.RS Maharasbtr~ruataka Border, DIspute MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. Ie .. PANJA): (a) Development of Aravali 3423. DR. DATTA SAMANT : biU areas is the responsibility of the State SHRI BANWARI LAL PUR- Government. OH1T (b) and (c) Question does nof arise, SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL : However. the quesHon of eX!tension of the coverage of the programme of hill, areas Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : development to AravaJi hill areas is undor examination of the Union Government. .

whether Government intends to (a) number of Central Government or raise market fund! for its atomic power Centrally Sponsored projects 'in ~elt proarammes; Bengal; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) the details of financial allocation, (c) whether nuclear power would be achievement and target of these projects; profitable' enough to pay for such borrowings '1 (c) whether reports of delay in imp1e- , menting the projects have been received by THE MINISTER OF STArE IN THE Government; and . . MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND (d) jf so,' the reasons therefor and TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN PEVELOPMENT, remedial steps. taken in this regard " ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECfRONICS AND THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME SPACB (SHIR SHIVRAJ v. PATIL) : (a) to IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A B. A. (c) it bas been decided in principle to set QHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY): (a) to up a Nuclear Power Corporation. The (d) Figures regarding financial alloc~ti,~J1, details a,re yet to be worked out. achievement and targets for the.. : C~'~~~al Government and Centrally SponlO(~ Cooeession.~ to ex Servicemen projects are not decided and maintaine~"qD 3427. SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: Will Statewise basis. In. view of this, it ,woJild th~ pr~cise illo Minister of DEF.ENCE be pleased to not be possible to provide .\ I atate : information on the question. ,r . (a) whether durins 1977-79, a number Tribunal for Border Disputes of concessions like travel concession, sales -_ exemption on canteen stores ear lier· , 3429. SHRI U. H. PATEL: Will, ~e ItveD to Ex·~rvicemen were wi thd r.awn; Min~ster or HOME AFFAI~S be ple-..od .ad to state: (b) whether O\)vernment propose to (a) whether it is a fact tha·t ·(joverluneilt consider restoring those concessions in the propose ,to appoint a "Tribunal for Bor40r 97 PHALG~~ 28. 1907 (SAKA) 'Written Answ,rs

Df,potes" .~ as to, settle' Border d ispu tes "ar8~ly 1eft' to the State G:~vernmeDt•. It . i ,\ t)(,t.ween vario\ll States; 'bas been suggested 'that a State 'crllne Records Burea u should be headed bi an (b) if so, tbe ,detaUs thereof;" . otftcer ~r the rank of DIG of ponce 'and should comprise the State Police Compi#er (c) if n'ot, the reasons tbere'for: Centre, wherever it ~xists ot when fnst.U~,I Modus 'Operandi Bureau. Pinger (d) whether such, demands 'ha~;been prInt th~ made from some Quarters; and . Bureau and the Crime Statistlcs or cm. The District Crime Record Bureaux ', tho'uall;'_ (e) 'if S~t the detaUs th~req_f and the under the overal1 cbarge of the'. District reaction of Government thereto 1 SP/Dy. Commissioner' of Police, should be beaded, on whole time basis, by an' offtoer THE MINISTER OP STATE ':OP.THE of the level of Dy. S. P. or Adell. S. P. ' M.iNISTRY OF COMMUN1CATIONS depending on data in the District. : '~¢1 AND THE MINISTER OF STATE Il'l THE MINISTRY OF HOME 'At:F'AIR.S (SHRI' ,. (c) Some or the State GoverJJme~tl IlAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (4) ,No such have already initiated action In this repld. proposal is under consfderatfori ef the .Government of India at "resent. Upgradatlon or CSIR Laborator'es l~" i 1 J " " (b) Does 09t arise. 3431. SHRI BALASAHBB VIKHB . PATIL: Win the PRIME MINISTER be (c) The Government's view has been' pleased to stat~ : t~t the inter-State border disputes can be resolv~d in the light of t'heir facts and (a) the number of National and Rello- circumstances and that it wl1uld be difficult nal Research Laboratories functi ')ning fn to evolve principles to fit all such cases. the country ; (d) No such demand has been received (b) whether Government propose to in the recent past. upgrade these laboratories in order to meet growing demand in high a ~ J appropriate (e) Does not arise. technology; . (c) whether Government propose to 8. National Crime Record Bureau up time bound progralutlle in certain 3430. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: reseal ch projects; and SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: (d) if so, the details therefor and the steps taken or propose to be taken in this Will the Minister of HO'ME' AFFAIRS regard? be pleased to state : (a) whether he has issued any guidelines THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE to all the States Ch;ef Ministers 'to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND revitalise the crime record branches at the TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART. State and District levels; MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND (b) if so, the mea'sures suggested; and, SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL);· (a) (c) whether the, States have adopted Total humber of National LaboratDrieJ and institutes~ vario~ them and if so, the present position in research under agencies various State, ? are about 236. or these. 39 including 6 Regiorial Research Laboratories, " are f~nder THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the aegies of CSIR. ' DEPARTMB~ op: INTERNAL SECU.. 'I" (b) The facUities available;n these R~Y (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) and l~b.orar~nries cons~ant1y ~ (b) Yes Sir, The Chfef Min isters of til ~ are j,mproved and enhanced." States have been requested to set up Sta\. ; , ~'" ;' _,t '. ',. Crime Records Bureau and Distrj9t ~~iffi~ r'. : (c) Yes. Sir. Records Bureau in the ,States. While. dle- tru;'daUt'tes ,of setti.n,(:'up the State and": ; , , (afSeveral Mission oriented ,.2togr~inmes DIstrict Crin\6, Rec6td Bureau have been have been identitled for implerbentation to "II,' ,',t', , MARCH 19, 19~ 100

achieve time bound end results. Gonerally (c) how maDY meetings of this Council It.&J) programmes are being oriented in have been beld in 198],,84, ,198'4-85 and

I .....ion JDode with defined activity miles· April to December 19~ ? ' 'loD~. These are mopitored for prOlfCSS ,'~ time stipulations are followed up. In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ,addition certain ,major programmes. of MINISTRY , OF SCIf!NCE AND ,,,lied nature, and research projects spo- TBCHNOLOGY AND IN THB DEPART- DlDred by user a'gencies/dcpartmelltS! indus.. MBNTS OF OCBAN DEVBLOPMENT, trlct are time-bound. ' ATOMIC BNEa.O·Y. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVllAJ v. PATIL):. Resolution i"Md on 31st January. 1985. Blectronic Council ; So far NMC hal held two (2) meetinls. (b) what functions have been assi.ned The meetinll were held on July 24, 1985 to the Council ; and aDd December 2, 1985.

StateIaeDt Composition Name of the Present Member

1. Chairman, Chairman Electronics Commission Z. Secretary, Member Shri S.R. Vijayakar Department of Electronics ,. Secretary, Prof. U. R. Rao' Department of Space .. 4. Secretary, Shri O.K. Sangal Ministry of Communications .. 5. Secretary, Shri S.D. Sri~astava I)cptt. of Iodl. Devp. 6. Secretary t Department of Defence' .. Sbri P. C. Jain Production &, Supplies. 7. Secretary~ Department of Defence Dr. V.S. Arunachalam R&D (SA to Raksha Mantri) " 8. Secr.etary. Dr. R. Ramanna Deptt. of Atomic Energy " 9. Secretary, •• Shri Anand Sarup 'Ministry of Education to. Director·Oeneral, Council ., Dr. A.P. Mitra of Scientific & Industrial Research . )1. Member (Finance), ., Shri S. Vcnkitaramanan Electronics Commission 12. Secrtary, Dr. R.P. Wadhwa Electronics Comm ission 13. Two Special ists in the (To be nominated A area of Micr~.. . by the Chairman, 14. electronics. Electronics ~1a.iOD) 15. Member-Secretary. Membcr-SecrctallY Dr. N. W. Nerurkar,;, NNe, Adviso r, bepartmeat"· of Electronics" . 101 PHALOUNA 28,: 1907 (SAKA) A1f8WI:f' ·;tJ02 Writ'",. ,4""""' Wrttlen. . PUNCJ;IONS: The Council shall be capacity for microelectronic oftcut" responsible : of all types ';' . , ,.'

1. Por actin, a. the nodal point to 8. For relating and intearatili, ·tho ensure that the .direction, pace and measures' a t C~) to (7) above ,1ft.' such • quality of the overall . 'programme in manner as to ensure that spedfIC.':u.er ·the field of microelectronics is such r~quirement9 partieulady ill. ;crltlcal that, the nation as a whole benefits and strategic areas, are :tnej on.lho from the eiforts of the various agen- basis 'of maximum self rclian~":,': cies involv~d ; 9. For drawing up a ·comprcheD.ive:~laD ' 2. For formulating periodically review- aDd speCific acti~n pr'~ ing and updating an" integrated for the ,en~raUoD, In:' ~ th~ national plan for Microelectronics, shortest possible time' of'" f'thc covering R&D,. technology develop- different types and numbers o( scien- ment, production, applications etc. tific and technical manpower·; D09JecI in' all areas ; for the nation's microekctrRDiCi efforts, whether in R&D, prod_UoD 3. FO,r taking measures, both promo- or applications, and fOr undertaklDl tional and regulatory, to bring about the proml)tion,' coordiitandn and standardisation in national maximum financing needed to have th'f': iPian requirements of Microelectronic Cir- implemented as a matter :~of"_io- cuits, and where appropr iate, Micro- rity ; ,(1 electronic sub-systems and systems; 10 .. For formulating all such, jpl, 4. For preparing and ensuring the import, industrial Jjcen8iD~ .ap4,' p~er implementation of a technology "Ian regulatory and promotional pOlicies to meet the nation's' short and long as may be necessary to ensure: that term requirements of Microelectronics the natbn builds up a technolog~l as defined above, on a maximally self reHant bas is ; , and production, cap')city 'in Micro- electronics which is ma~hnany self s.. For consideri ng as part of the techo.. reliant; and logy plan and its implementation. all 11. For defining and implementlng all proposals for import of technology measures necessary for promoUdi all and foreign colJabor.ation/as·sistance applications of microelectr : nics:, _Ie· relatiu$ to Microelectronios-whetber vant and appropriate to our econQmy by manufacturing companies R&D, and society. institutions or other agencies-and fOr taking decisions on them ; [Translut ion] 6. For preparing, also as part of the Atomic Power and Heavy Water Plaut", , technology plan, an integrated pro- in Bihar . gramme of R&D including futuristic a:;pects, covering microelectronic' 3433. SHRI KALI PRASA,D PANDEY: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to circuits design, production processes I special materials and, as appropria.te, state: capital goods' for production, etc, and (a) whether' the major part tM?J the for undertaking the promotion, coord i· requirements of uranium in the colinfry is nation and financing needed to have met by the uranium found at Jaduluda in that plan implemented; for that Bihar; purpose. the Council will consider, approve and monitor all R&D pro- (b) the reasons for nof1"~ qp 'grammes in the country relating to atomic power plant and' Mavy'wu.ullant microelectronics ; in Bihar when raw materiat ·is a-'lalllil" in :1 bandanoe there ; 7. ,Por taking all. measures, bOth pro- . '.,,( nlotiona) and- regulatory, to ~osure . (c) whether keeping in, v~eVi. ~•. 1us tbe realisation, in a coord'inated p.ower crisis in Bihar G,,)ver~nn~t~~. manner" of adequate, production to set up an atomic power· plant there ~.'" MARCH i9 •. 1986 'Wrlttitlt A,,':W'r, ·.104

~4d) -If 80, the time by which 'it is Iil,ely Kerala, (10) Madhya Pradesh, (11) , .Mabara- .to atart functioning. indicating ·the location shtra, (12) Meghalaya, (.13) Orissa, (14) 'Ilereor and the cost involved therein'; and Punjab, (lS) Rajasthan •. (16) Tamil Nadu. , ' ... :-(.0) Jt not, the difficulty being experi.. (17) Uttar Pradesh, and \(18) West 'Benga). , ._, by G~vernment in tbis connection? (b) to (d) 4054 industries in 'the major :;iIYHE MINISTER' OF STATE IN THE altd medium category 'have been identified aa ~MlfqIRllY OF -SCIENCE . AND polluting industries, out of which 2076 ftJmfN'OLOOY AND IN THB DEPART- industries have installed po]Jution con~rol ~ OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, devices. The main types (,r industries are MONI~~ENEROY, ELECTRONICS AND sugar, distilleries, caustic sodrt; fertiJizers, ·.4CE (SHIll SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (~) oil .. drilling and refineries", man· made fibre, .Yea. ~ir., iron' & steel, textiles, pulp and pa"er, pharmaceuticals, insecticides and pesticides ; .. (b) Availability of uranium' near the inorganic chemicals, organic and . petro- ~, i. Dot an important criterion in sitl ng chemicals, dairy ,thermal"'plants, edible oils .dtlitomlc power station or heavy water and vanaspati, paints and dye stuffs. general ·'tIBl~ engineering, tanneries, cement, minerals, " .. (c) The Site Selection conlmittee cons- minig. rubber products and food-stuffs. .... by the Department of Atomic Scheme to familiar;.;c the Central .~ have evaluated the sites suggested ~'Vernment officials with Modern '" .the Government of Bihar and its report . Management _ I. respect of Eastern Electricity Region, of- .h Bihar 'also forms a part, is under 3435. SHRI NARESH CHANDRA ·.... deration. CHATURVEDI : Will the PRIME MINIS-' 1 TER be pleased to state : ,·(4) and (e) Does not arise. (a) whether Government have formu" lated any schenle to familiarjs~ the Central Government officials with modern manage- Iclentification of Tndu~tr:es causing ment techniques to impcHt new skills and Po:lution to tone l}P efficiency; and 1·1434. KUMARI PUSHP_~ DEVI: (b) if so, details thereof? !.~ Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleas(.d to iItMo :' THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN' THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC the name of the S1 ,tcs where pre .. GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI ~.eDtion and control of pcllution board has P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. tteen set up ; (b) Training programmes have been ,.) the number of industries identified organised for lAS office,rs at three stages, " different State Prevention and Control namelYt for om~ers of 6-9 years' service eI Pollution Boards as polluted industries with focus on programme implementation; .• 1984-15 and 1985-86 : .1. for' officers of 10-·16 years' service dealing (c) how many of those industries have with management concepts and decision taken adequate steps for prevention and making ;. and for offioers of 17,.20 years' ,catra) of pollution so far; and service with stress on policy planning and analysis. 21 courses scheduled for" the 3 ,1.(4) the details thereof? stages in the State Trajning Instit.utions, Institutes of Management, Indian Institute THB MINisTER OF STATE IN THB of Public, Administrat ion and Lal Bahadur _TRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Shastri National Academy of Administra- . ~ (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) tion, Mussoorie have .been compJ.eted so tIIIt:·iiame of the State, where. State Pollu- far. The courses have been .designed to 'tloD Cotrat Boards have been tet up' are: (1) develop professional competence .and effec- ,ABdhra Pradesh, (2) Assam. (3) Bihar, (4) tive implementation: of programmes inten.. I:~t, '(5) 'Harytloa, (6) Himachal Pradesh, ded to benefit the' l"oor' and backward "~::;Jrmmu ·ct Kashmir, (8) Karoataka1 (9) sections of the" people .. . IDS Written Answers 101\1 • "Besides this Ministry is also conduct- '(c) the' role 'likely to be, assi_ "r. ing vertically integrated one week refresher the State. . OOVerllQlCilts, private . IICtOI courses for I.t\S officors. 77 such courses ind·ustry and ,the banks in th~' s~1IfwI have already been conducted and it is implementation of the wasteland develop. expected tha t all lAS omc~r s wi 11 be cove- ment thrpughout the country 'I red' by end" of June. 1986. . ' THE MINISTER OF STATB IN TH8 The drawing up of similar training/, MINISTRY OF ENVIRONM£NT. AMP refresher programmes has been advised to FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (i) the Ministries/Departments dealing with Yes, Sir. . various An India and Group A Services. (b) An Action Plan has been initiated' by the Nati'onaJ Wastelands DevoJopmeat Veget~tive propagation of trees Board. Salient ft:atures of the ptOll'am.8 3436. SHRI 'ANANTA PRASAD are given in the enclosed statement. .' ; SETHI: Will the PRIME MINISTER' be (c) 'The principal a&en~y for imple~.. pleased to state: tat ion of the Action Plan would be (a) wheather a new method of plant.. State Governlnents. t. ing'instant tree called "Vegetative pro- Forest-based industries would pagation u'f trees" has been recently per- be eooo- uraged to afforest wastelands to proda. fected wh~:! crby trees can be grown up raw-material n~edcd by them. Induttry instan1ly ; and generally would be enthused to raile tr. (b) wheth,,~r it has b:!en tested and if cover 011 wastelands distant from rural so, the details in this regard 1 habitat~ . so as to· provide rural employment and to meet the community's De_,' THE 1\H>HSTER OF STATE IN THE without disturbing existing community -ute. MINISTRY OF ENYIRONJ\IENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) The States have also been reqpested to and (b) V ~gctative propagation is an actively explore the harnessing of' buill. established method of planting some tree finance. by evolving bankable schem.· '.r species - which respond to this practice. afforestation bo~h by individual. ..0." Experiments on tissue culture~ which is a cooperat ives. method of vegetative propagation, have been conducted at the National Chemical Statement Laboratory, Pune. The technique requi,res extensive field testing before it The Action Plan drawn up by tee, can be adopted as standard practice in National Wastelands Development Boud afforestation. and accepted by the ~tate/UT Goveromcqta,. for implementation has the following ., elements :- Meeting of National Land Use and Waste- • land ,Development CouncH 1. Identification of Wastelands: 3437. SHRI K. PRAD¥ANI : Each State/U.T, Government has .,... DR. B.L. SHAILESH : requested to identify wastelands in thttU territory whether they be in forest a ....r Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased, revenue/common lands or degraded fatal to state: lands . . (a) whether at the first meeting of the 2. People's Involvement: ·National Land Usc and· Wasteland Deve.. lopment Council hcid in February last, This will be ensured by the foJlowlq the Prime Minister reiterated the desirabi- measures :- lity o( annually bringing 5 million hectares of land under fuclwood and fodder plant-- (a) Decentrallsed Nurseries: ,People', ati .·ns by fostering a peo.ple's movement; , nurseries I.e. kisans. schOClfl. women, youth groups, volUD_ (b) if so, what action has been initia.. agencies, etc., will be motlvat'" ted by the National Wasteland Develop- _ to meet the increased demand df'~' ment Board on such a programme; and seedlings. ' Written Answ,r, 108

.Jt) !.• ~,ra~, For,stry:· Pannors will ,be up IUidelines tor .the lease of wasteland. - .. :.mo~l~ated to take up tr~ farmlll1 to industries f1k this behalf.. lsr:,~;~~,~,::,?n; their ~rli~lland9 a~d plan~-. . 7. Urban Fuelwood and Green Belts : -; Jg OD thetr ftdld bunds. A ratl" ,,' :onal"PQlicy in regard to distribu-. The States/U.Ts. have been requested tiOD of seedlings should be to ensure that tOWD9 and cities have IreeD .volve4, belts of fuel-wood and fodder plantations. (,td')' , .Ttt, Growers' Cooperatives: Tree to cater to the urban fuelwood and fodder . Growers' cooperatives should be needs . organised with the involvement. 8. Degraded Forest Areas': , : of farmers in raising and distribu,;, States have been requested to identify 'etion ,(1f seedlings and in' tree degraded fores t lands and to reforest them " ,pJantati()ns. with fue}wood and fodder species. -(~) Voluntary Agencies: The grass .. roots agencies, Mahila Mandals, 9. F()~est Development C orporati ODS : Youth groups ,would aiso b~ The Forest D·eveJopmont Corporations motiva,tcd in oQrsert raising a1td 'i . should obtain wastelands on l~a,e from tree pfantations, the Goyernments for raising fuel wood • (e),' Tree Pat las : Strips of land and fodder plantations. r" ,along roads, rails, canals, etc., 10 Government Departments: and other degraded land should be given to the rural poor, with Government DepartmentSt public sector usufruct rights on the trees plant- undertakings an~ other bodies! institutions . ted by them on such lands. having substantial areas of unutilised land~ must bring such land under trce 3~ . :Noelal Agency : cover. "The State/U.T. Governments have been 11. Media and Cllmmunication : reQMeIted to identify a single nodal agen~y for ensuring an integrated approach for A massive publicity campaian throush the~' implementation of the programme the traditional Inedia of folk art and cul- which is being executed by different agen- ture, radio, televison and other audiovi- cies. official and otherwise. · sual aids should be undertaken to create awareness amons the masses. 4. "Seed: 12. Monitoring and Evaluation : -The State/UTs. have been requested to ext~d the scope of operation of the exist- The State/Union Territory Governments inal'State Seed Corporations to include the should evolve appropriate monitoriol and proit1lCdon and supply of fodder, grass evaluation mechanisms to ensure qualita- and lc.gume seeds to farmers on commercial tive implementat~on of the progr amme. balis. Land holding system in TrIbal Areas . 5. Lea~iDg of Lanels : ,}tbe State/U.T. Governments have been 3438. SHRI K.. PRADHANI: Will reqUeited to prepare guidelines' for leasing the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to of 'forest and non-forest wastelands for state: afl'oreatadon to the rural poor, (a) whether the Plannina Commission 6. l'orest based Industries: has set up a Study Group on land boldio. system in tribal areas : Must be encouraaed to afforest wastelands:to produce the raw material needed by (b) if so, the torms of reference and theift.' ,Industries must also be enthused composition i to raise tree c(,)ver on wastelands with a v~ 'to provide employment to the rural (c) whether ,DO tribal, Member of poor' as well as to enable them' to grow Parliament conversant with the land holcl- treoa on a remunerative basis. The State iog system' in trlba1 areas has been ·put Governments have been -requested to draw on this Stud~ Group; 109

(d) if'lo, the reason. therefor; aDcJ· .. ecopise

StatemeDt (3) Prof. G. Par~hasarathy-Member Professor of Econonlics, Andhra The terms of reference .of the Study Pradesh University, Waltair, Group of Land Holding Systems in Tribal Andhra Pradesh. Areas are as follows :- (4) Prof. laganath Pathy-Member (i) The terms of reference of tbe Deptt. of Sociology, South Study Group will be to examine Gujarat University,. UniversitY the nature and extent of land and Campus, Udhia MagdaUa Road landbased resources available in Surat-7. (Gujarat) the tribal areas : (5) Smt. R.O. Dhan-Memberr b (ii) The extent land-holdinl patterns member, upse, C·I/lS, Paodara obtaining amoDl different Schedu-· Park, New Delhi-3. led Tribe communities aDd the (6) Shri A.R. Bandopadhyaya-Mem- types of institutions al well .s forms of institutional arran ••• ber Commissioner, Santbal Par- B~na8 Dum~a menta prevalent amOOI them for Division •. (Bihar) regulation of tbe use of' tho '-ild (1) Shri Murkotb Ramunnl-Bitra resource by individuals, LAMPS, Dharmadam. Cannanore, Distriol. village communities on the land lCerala-6701 06. ~. resource ; (8) Dr. Bhupinder Sinah-Mombtr. (iii) The nature and extent of depen- Secretary, Adviser, PI_no In. eo .... , dence of tribal communities OD mission, Yojana Bhavla, N.. ' the land resource ; Delhi-I'Oool . (iv) the extent and ,form of awareness of the individual tribal commuDi- , {Tra".tIQlioll1 ties relative to the economic value Central .A-.lstaace to RaJuthaD· IOf of· the lao4· resource ; Rehabllitatiob . l (v) the extent to which traditional 3439. SHRI, . BANWARI LAL .aCcess of the tribal ·commtinl.tiel BAI1\WA: Will the Mipister of MO_ to land anel land·based rclOurccl il AFPt\IRS be plesaed to ,tatc :. I iil' WrUlen' Answ,r, Wrillen Answer'

. " ~ '(a) the main decisions t_k.en ~t the THE MINISTBR OF ,STATE IN 1;HB conference of R.ehabilitation Ministers, of MIN.lS'f:RY'~ op:' " SCIBNCB ' AND t1HJ:"'oa:~eld durina February ; and TECHNOLOGY AND 'IN TaB DSPART.. ; MBNTS' O~' OCEAN DEVELOPMBNT. I>~':'(P)' the' future . sc~me~ of ,Rajasthan ATOMIC ENRGY, ELEcrRONICS AND Government for rehabthtatton purppse and SPACE (~HRl ;SHIVRAJ V. PATJL): ,(8) the details of the Centrel aisistance, pro- 13 units hi the' public sect·or and 190 unit. poMd')~or implementing these schemes '1 . in the private se.ctor have reported , TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE manufacture of TV sets. Their annual pro- DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU· duction, duriag 1985, was 2.37 Jakh nos. 'RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) and and 22.23 lakh n08. respectively. (b) rIle Conference was mainJy convened to review the progress of implementation (b) 11 units ir;J,}le public sector and 78 or:flebabilitation ·schemes in the various units in the pri~1P Sector have reported States and Union Terrttories. ,It was I ' manufact ute of crv sets. Their annual decided that the, States should 'carefully production. during'1985, was 1.19 lakh nOli. exaini~le and identify the residuary work to and' 5.41 lakh nos. respectively. :don~ talks to be be and also assign specific (c) No, .foreign company (i. e. a ~ completed within a definite tim~ frame. It company with more than 40% foreign was also felt that such discussions sh;)lll.l equity) has been granted ,industrial licence bobeld at more frequent intervals. No by the Government for manufacture of" neWt. schemes are contemplated by the crv sets in the country. Government of india becuase all the ~ligi .. ble DP, families have been set: led in sehem'c:~ which ar~ almost complete. There (Translation] is some residual work pertaining to lnfras- tructural facilities like schools, ml..~dical Plantat ion of trees ~than facHities, ,etc. which the GovL of RajJ 3441. SHRI SIMON TIOGA: Will the is tal~ng steps to complete. The Cenlral PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Go~~ment have sanctioned an amount of RI. 223.20 lakhs for providing infrastruc- (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- tur•• ,facilities in th~ State. The Stale ment have formulated a scheme to plant Government, however, propose to provid..! trees on' a large scale; and subsidiary assistance \0 these displaced persons under the centrally sponsored (b) whether tribal areas will be given Intearaded Rura! Development Programme. priority in ,this matter?

[English) THE.,MINISTE& OF STATE IN THE Companies Manufacturing TV Sets ' MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R.. ANSARI) : (a) the 3440. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Government have taken policy decision to Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to undert~e a massive programme of affores- . atate,.: tation, to achieve an annual target ot 5 million ha. in, the count(y by the end of .. ,'~) the number of companies in pu~lic the VII Five-Y~r Plan. The National and, private sector which are ,manufactunng Wastelands Development Board has been TV' sets in the country and their annual constituted to promote, coordinate and production; monitor the prosramnie. , (b) the number of public sector an,d private sector companies which are engaged (b) Afforestation effort would 8~neraUy in tD;aDufacwina cry sets and 'their annual be intensive in tJle tribal 'areas, due to the prodUction. and tribal habitats beinl laracly in hilly area•• • ~, !. I • which need urlent attention. The plantinl (0) ,whether any foreian company has of species yielding ruelwood. fodder and .... amnted a licence to manufacture CTV fruit in' particular' would be emphasised. so seta in the country. if so. details and terms as to meet the needs of the rural poor. .mel conditions thereof '1 includ~1 the ~ribals • 113 WrltteIJ Answers Written Answers

[En.r#sh] at Bhu~~neswar for conducting traiftJDI prplrammes QD computers for vario. lristttute 'for Micro Electroni~ and Co.put_ Studies In Kt:ra1a lev~ls. '; . ' '(b) Department of Electronics &at. 3442. SHRI T. BASHEBR: Will the aJready initiated a feasibility study to ' PRIMS MINISTER ~e pleased to state : examine: (a) whether there is a proposal to set (i) the entry and exit profile of t.be up an Institute for. nlicro electronics and trainees' who can be trained for compllter studies ,in Kerala in the Seventh careers for the data pracenial' Plan; and as Programmers. (b) if so, details thereof 1 (ii) the number of trainees that can be trained at different levels THE MINISTER OF STATE IN'THE MINISTRY OF' SCIEN'CE AND (iii) th~ detailed content an4 TECHNOLOGY AND IN TfJE DEPART· methodology for courseware MENTS OF OCEAN DEV~LOPMENT, design. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND (iv) guidclil1~S for conducting train inc SPACE, (SH.RI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): programme.s. (a) There is no proposal before the Govern- rnent to set up an Institute (or Micro (v) the hardw~U'e, software, ~ourseware Electronics and Computer Studies in Kerala and the Inanpower requirements in the Sevent11 Plan. as well as time frame, for es tablishing the above mentioned (b) Does not arise. training facility. Also a Sfparate proposal for the Establisbment of Orissa Computer establishment of an Instil ute for Trainin. Application Ce~trc and Education of Engineers in the field oC Computer Software has been received. 3443. SHRI K. PRADHA~: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (c) Yes Sir,' some funds have been released for this programme by the Union (a) whether Government have for ... Government to the Orissa Government. mulated any plan for training of personnel and data preparation' 'programmes in view (d) Does not arise. of Orissa Computer Applicatiun ~ Centre having already been established at Propasals from Orissa for PollutioD Bhubaneswar, and the Super Computer A,ses.)ment Laboratory Centre being set up there by the Union 3444. SHRI K. PRADHANI; Will tho Government; PRIME MIN [STER 0'; pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) whether the Central Board for Pollution Control bas been approached by (c) whether any funds have b.een Government of Orissa to fund atleast one released for this progrmme by the Union Ol'Jbile or pollution assessment laborato.rYi Government to the Orssia Government so far; and (b) whether the Slate Government had also subtllltted a proposal 'for the establish- (d) if not, the reasons there~or and ment of air quality monitoring in important what action in this respect is being taken 1 industrial areas of the State, like Talcbcr THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and Rourkela; and MINlSTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- (c) if so, the staac at which these two NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS proposals stand at pre:.ent "/ OF OCEAN DBVELqP~ENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTR.ONICS AND SPACE. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TaB (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Centra-l MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Governnlcnt has advised,' the G~.vernmcnt' FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) No. of Orissa to set, up a larae trainina centre Sir; '1\0 _,. '" • f MAR.ea 19, 1986

:(b). ..:yes, Sir. started in 1958 for the resettiement or displaced porions from' former saat (c) The proposal has been 'agreed to in~ Pakistan arc proposed to be transferred to principle but the f1iact locations of the air the State O'overnmcnt of Orissa and quality monitoring stations have Dot been Madhya Pradesh j' decided' so far. (b) if so, tbe details therecC includiDI Ranking of Technical Posts about the number of displaced perSODS 80 rar settled; and '3445. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: (~) Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased ~ the number of more agriculturist to state: . families and non~agriculturists likely to be settled during tbe Seventh Five Year Plan? '(a) whether it ~s a fact that the technical THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE posts in different 'cadres in various C~ntral DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL departments at e inferior in rank and in SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): emoluments to the general posts; (a) Yes Sir. (b) if so, the rationale. behind this dift'erc'sce; , (b) As the work relating to resettlement of displaced persons is more or lela (c) whether at any time the Govern- complete in the three of the four zones. it ment has undertaken a review of these has been decided, in consu)ta t ion with the differences with a view to bridge the lap respective State Governments.. to transfer between general ,posts and technical posts; the assets and institutions in the 3 zone. and namely Paralkote & Kondagaon (Madhya Pradesh) and Umerkote (Orissa) to the (d) if so, the, resu.lt thereof and the respective State Governmen ts, free of cost policy of the Gov.!rnlUi!nt in this regard 1 The Govt. of India is however, providiol ~'THE ,MINISfE,R OF STATE IN THE funds to meet any deficiency in the assets MiNISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC aud institutions taken over by them and GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHR P. will also beat expenditure on their CHIDAMBARAM): (a) The ranks and Scales maintenance 'for five years. of pay of var ious technical as we 11 as non- technical post.s in Group. 'A' Central So far 36,672 families from former Bast Pakistan have bee n resettled in the four Services are determined on the basis of relevant consideratiOns like levels of duties Zones of the Dandakaranya Project. After 25.255 families and responsibilities. K'::l.!prng in view these desertions, are now in aspects, it may be stated that the technical position. posts and the non-technical posts are, by (c) .At present, no further d. p. families and 'large, comparable. are available for rehabilitation in . (b) to (d) The pay and allowances and Dandakaranya Project. About SOO conditions of ,service of Central Govern- rehabilitable d.pa. from various P. L. ment Employees, both technjcal and non- Homos are likely to b~ settled in Malkangiri technical, are under review by the Fourth Zone during the Seventh Five-Year Plan. Pay Commission. Preventive Measures for Thorium Transfer of assets of Dandakaraaya Powder in Kerala Project to Government of Orissa and Madbya Pradesb 3447. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: ·3446. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLeK : SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Will the PRIMEiMINISTER be pleased to state -: ' Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS b~ pleased to state: whether it i, a fact that according to a recent study about 5000 tonnes of thorium (a) whether it is a fact that the asSets powder is stored in a broken silo' neaT the and institutions of Dandakaranya project, banks of Peti),ar river in Kerala which caD ' 111· PHAYPUNAli. iJOl (S~) , " ,r' "

co~tamiDate the ddnkio, water ,upply .or ' The ocoloay and culture ot ' tribal. ' the ODtire~.popu1ation of. Brriakulam district ot 'A...... o .end NicobAr Isl'Dd~ are in ,t~e ev~nt of' a high tide; aDd .. prdctect6d llty varioUl meaDl. The An4amaa . and· NfcObar Ill_Ad, Protection ot ' Aborlai- I (b) if 10. what 'preventive mealures bat' Tribes . RoplatiOD 1956 provides' have been taken by Government in thl. ' reaard ? ' compreheJlllve leaal cOver .to vulnerable tribal.. Thi. 81so prohibi,tl any activity THB. MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE by non-tribal. in tribal areas without MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND specific and prior sanctiol1 of the Adminis- TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- tr.atioD. . Non-tribaf. arc not allowed MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMBNT. to enter tribals reserves without prior· ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND permiSSion and valid entry permit .. The SpACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PA'fIL); (a) provisions of this regulation proctect overall It is ~ot a fact that the th~riu~ powder interests which include ecology and culture which is stored near the banks of river of triball, AU tribal groups are encourap Periyar is iLl a broken silo. The silos are so to lives their own way of life. as embodied cOJlstructed that even in the event of a " in their culture, without interference. high tide, river water cannot enter the 2. The Antliropololical Survey ,of silos as revealed from the experience of the last twenty years. . India which baa a regional oftlce. at Port Blair since 1951 has produced a number , (b) Adequate precautions have been or books and papers on entbnic commun'.,. ,primitive takon in the SO~lstructjon of silos to prevent ties, especiaIJy the groups. any leakage II nd this is constantly 3. The Planninl Commission .. hal mo~itored by the Indian Rare Earths constituted a joint Committee under tbe,' Lin;»,ited as well as the Health Physics Cbairmansbjp' of Porf. M.G.K., Menon, Oivition of the Bhabha Atomic Research Member, Planning Commission to 'for-' Centre. ·~ulate an , i,Dtefirated environmental sound developmental stratelY for Andaman Protection of Ecoiogy and Culture of . and Nicobar Islands. Thc Committee Andamans haa submitted its report which is under consideration of the Planning Commission~ 3448. SHRI BASUDBB ACJ{ARIA: Will the Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS be pleased to state: PoJiutiou caused by Unit of tbe ISRO at AlwKye, Kerala (a) the, measures planned to ensure protection of ecology aud ethnic culture . 3449. PROF. K.. V. THOMAS 1 Will of 'he islanders of Andamans : the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) whether any attempts to know the (a) whether any complaint has beeD wishes of . the islanders on this matter received by Government that Ammonium ,,!,erc made; perchlorate experimental unit of the Indian Space Reaearch Organisation at Alwaye, (c) if so, the details thereof; , Iteral. is pollutitil the air and land at (d) whether any disscussioD on ' the Alwaye; lubject has taken place in forums like (b) jf 10, the steps taken by Government National Development Council, Plannins in this reaard ? Commiss ion etc ; and THB MINISTER OF STATB IN THB (e) if so, the'details thereof! ·MINlSTR.Y OF ENVIllONMSNT AND ,POR.SSTS (SHal Z. R. ANSAlll)

SHRI V. TULSIRAM : pulses, vegetables etc' t and thereby brinl- DR. G. S. RAJHANS : ing an improvement in the quality of life of population. SHRI R. M. BHOY£ : To raise the nutritional' level of the PROF. RAMAKR.ISHNA MORE: people living "elow p;,)verty . line and other Will the . Minister of EXTERNAL people in the fi"e~ income group the )008- AFFAIRS be pleased 10. state: term strategy en visages expansi on of employment opportunities and stabilisation of in- (a) whether Government have received come. Besides the' main ·income . 'earnin, reports that a number of Sikh militants activity, subsidiary occupation to auamcnt including those who are wanted for tr,jal famHy income would be encouraged throush is; ,·Indian courts have souabt asylum in impartins suitable skiHs. Efforts would be Britain ; and made for an ~tended' public distribution system Sf.) tuat cereals, pulses and edible '(b) if so, t~le details thereof? oil1 in sufticient quantities are made availa- THE ·MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ble. Special attention would ~ontin\lC to MINISTRY OF, EXTERNAL AFFI\IRS be aiven to the vulnerable sections 'Ji~ (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): "(el) Yes, ,children, pregnant women and Dursia, Sir. mothers. und~r. the nutrition intervention Wrlt~", Answfr, Wrltt,en A1UWt1''1 122

.hemet like Supplementary Nutrition.. Reserve Police Force and Central Industrial . 'Proiramme (SNP) and Mid .. Day,. ~als Pro Security Porce !lJeparafely ; ,I 'i "aramme (MOM). . . (b) whether steps ~re bei~g taken to J)rovide- addi.tional flinds with a' ~.iew to (lp'ift or Denotlrled Ct)m.uftlt'es ftncJ· . . fneteas~ng the' eftieit.!lley of these orlani... Nomadic TrIbes t~Oft. ~ :'and . . , ; . 3453. 'SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Win (c) if 10, 'the details thereof? the Minister of WELFAR,E be pleased to state ": THE MINISTER OF STATE IN: THE DEPARTMENT OF' INtERNAL . (a) 'whether it i!; a fact that the deno- seCURITY (SaRI· ~RUN NEHRU): (8) liled coromunitie.s and nomadic tribes are The eXI'enditurc figures in resoect of .tbe ·.o~lanYJ educationally und politically. backward; and' . , eoUowing Central Police' ,Qrganltatiens, ·Jo, the i/: ,ear '198S-86- are as indicated ·alainst

(b) if 80, the steps Government eon- , : :,oac'b ':;' . . , template to bring them at par with other people '1 (Rs. in l(lkh~) ---__,. -...... ,.._-- THB DEPUTY M~INisTER IN THE C.P.O. B.B. 8S~86 R.E.·85-86 MJNISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GlRDHAR OOMANGO) : (a) Yes •. ~ir. Assam R itles 8272.52 8560 .. 29 Most of these communities are: inchlded B.S.F. 18108.92 19498.56 I~ the list of other Backward Classes. Only I.T:B.P. 3027.05 3445.83 in lome nr the States, e.g Punjab, Haryana, :C.R~P.F:' ,.19038.31 Himachal Pradesh, etc., these communities 17083.25 are iDc1ud~d in the L!st of Scheduled Castes C.I.S.p·. 6266.83 .6550.41 ...... _'. __ - _. ---" ... '-... ..,--,~.~ and in some other States these communifies ___ _ are included in the list of Scheduled Tribes. The.ab~ve figures are exclusive of the The communities included in the list of Sch- expenditure incurred on construction works edule Castes or Scheduled Trihes derive, in of the CPOs for which provision' is made normal course, an the benefits available to in the Blldget of the nlinist"y of Urban the Scheduled Castt's and Scheduled Tribes Development, communities under various welfare pro- (b) and (c) The figures given abOve grammes ·of the Central Govt. and the speak for themselves. Proposals received State Governments. Likewise, the various from various police organisations from time :schemes under education, economic deve- to time for augmentation of staff, pur.. lopment, health, housing and other pro- chase of weaponry. equipment arms, ,grammes for the development of these ammunition etc~ are considered on I:J\cFitl commu.nities included in the list of Other and additional funds provided~ where neces- Blckward Classes are being implemented ~n sary. tbe Pfans of the States/Union Territories under Welfare of Backward Class sector in order to bring. them at par with the rest [Eng1l3h] ~f the society. Supply or Nuclear Fuel to Friendly· , Countries [Translation] i 3455. SHRIMAT:l KISHORI .SINHA: 'Expenditure on Central Po!ice Organlsat~ns Will the ·'PRIME M.INJSTER be pleased, to 'State : ); .... ; , ., .

. 3454. SHRI BANWARI LAL BAIRWA: '::' ',~ r Will the· Minister of HOME· AFFAIRS be (a) whether [n'Qia is in' a . po~itioft to :pleased to 'state : £upply nuclear J\1C' ~o friendly conDtdca which are facing ~ prbblenls ...,f" uncettain (a) the expenditure incurted'"aHnmuly nU91ear fuel supplies froln the Super Powers; 011 Central Police Or gan isations :uaalely :J'l':,1~i\"~~, ~~\,~ ~1' ... ,,_." \~, ·~m .. Rifles. B~rder .Security i;l'orce, Indo- (b) if so, wh~lhe'r there an:" a~y pro- · .Ju,etan . Borde~ Police. F(nce, I ),. ~~fral l' ",o8als~td llt'ttfJ these 'count~~S' ; ,I' 'i I 123 Wrltl. An,.,," "'rttt~" A"me"

'(c) if 10. whether sucb supplies woul4 No, Sir. ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND S,PACE (SH'RI SRIVRAJ V. PATlL): (al (b) to (d) Do not arise. India is .,resent1y producing nuclear fuel JUlt lufBcient for her own needs. Computerisatlon ~me for Income Tax DepartlDflat (b) to (d) Docs not arile. 3458. SHltI SAIFUDDIN CHOWD- Freedom ,Fighters Pension HAItY : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 3456. SHRI MUKUL WASNDC : (a) whethor it' is a fact that the c'oml'u- SHRI PRIVA RANJAN DAS terisation programme for the income·,tax MUNSI: department bas been complete4 by the Will the Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS Computer Maintenance Corporation and be pleased to state; the same is likely to be implemented loon; ,whether the increase of rupees two (b) if so, whether consideration to the hundred in the freedom fighter pension as human problem of thousands of lower anftOunced by the Prime Minister in June, grade employees was also tak~n into 1985 has started being disbursed; account; and (b) if 80. Slilce when; and (c) if so. details thereof? (c) if not the reasons for the delay? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN'THE ,THE MlNISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF,SCIENCE AND TECHNO· MtNISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTME~TS OF AND THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. ATOMIC MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ENERGY, ELECfRONICS AND SPACE. RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (c) 'The (SHRI SHIVRAJ V, PATIL): (a) monthly 'amount of perision ' under the' CMC bas prerared a feasibility Swatantrata Sainik Samman Pensio~ Scheme study report for Inc'ime Tax Departinent, fOf living freedom fighters as well ,as' and submit~ed its report to Income Tax tbe widows of the deceased freedom Department, whose decision is awaited. 'fl,httrs bas a1ready been 'raised to (b) and (c)' Since a decision the RI. 5001· p. 11\. w. e. f, 01.06.198S. Detailed on Report has not yet been taken, the human . instruction have been issued to .the Accoun- problem is yet to studied in depth. , tantl General to modify the persion Pay- be , meat Orders to give effect, to the revision Colour TVs by FRR A Coml'anies , ! ":,' tbe of Pension· of amount 3459. SHRIMATI JAYANTI"PATNAIK: Will.the PRIME .MINISTER be pleased to .Propools for House Bulldllll ActI'fltlea' .tatc : 3457. SHRI A. S. OGUNDBR; Will (a) whether Government have 'alloWed the Mlniatcr of PLANNING be plcalCl~" t~ PSRA compan ics to make 9010ur teltwi- .tate : lions; , 125. PHALOUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA)

(b) whether, a'ny terms and .conditions sUe consumption. e"g. biogas, have been 1a id down. before the FBR.A solar cooker~. and provision of companies were allowed to manufacture L.P·sas. Colour . televisions ; 2. Promoting use of fuel-efficient ,(c) if so, 'the details thereof; and stoves and 'chulhas' to reduce . wood "consumption. (d) which FERA companies are eDsaled In manufacturing Colour televisions at 3. Use- of alternative materials to present' substitute wood in its traditional TaB MINISTER OF STAT~ IN THB use for packing cases. railway MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- sleepers, electric potes, etc. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENrS OF 4. Promoting stall feeding to red~ce OCBAN DEVELOPMENT, .ATOMIC grazing pressure' on forests. ENERGY t ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) No, ,. Abolition of import duty on WQod Sir . How~ver t companies with foreign chips and pulp and reduction' of equity not exceeding 40 percent are eligible import duty on logs to 10% ,ad ~a for consideration for the manufacture of lorem, to enable forest . b'lsed TV sets, subject to the conaition 1hat they industries to import raw ,. ntatetlal. will be required to' supply not less tha~ 25 thereby reducing the pressure tor percent of their production in kit form to wood' fro 1m our forests_ I., small scale units for 5' years from the date such companies go into production of TV.

Further; \lse of foreign brand names is not '~) allowed in the manufacture and sale of TV Aclion plan for Development of Waste'ands lets." 1. Identi8cation of Wast~lands : (b) to (d) Do not ari$e. The State Gov~rnments/Uri'ion Territo- M~asures to Protect Forests ries have. been requested to identify wastelands in their territories, whether they 3460. SHRI H.M PATEL: Will the be in forest area, revenue/common lands or PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : degraded farmlands. (a) whether the Wasteland Develop- . 2. People's Involvement: ment Board has taken any concrete mea's- ures to build up buffer areas to p.rotect the This will be ensured by the following . forests; and ... mea·sures ,!

(b) what other measures are being taken , (a) Decentralised Nur.\'~rfes : People's by Government to red uce the pressure on Nurseries Le. kisans, schools, forests? women, youth groups, voluntary THE MI~ISTER OF STATE IN THE agencies etc. will he motivated to MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND meet the increased demand .. ·for FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI): (a) seedlings. ',' f, The National WasteJands Develop- (b) ·Farm Fore#ry : Farmers will. be ment Board .has. drawn up an Action Plan motivated to take up tree far[rliol for development of wastelands. This inclu- on their marginal lands and pl,nt. des. inter-alia, buffer areas on the periphery ing on their field bunds. A nltio- of forests, which' could yield fuel and 'nal seedling distribution policy fodder and' thus protect the forests. Details should be eVOlved. . " of the Action Plan are ItVen in the attached .tatement. (c) Tree G ow~rs' Coop:.:rat ives: ~1,tree afowers' cooperatives sho1lld:'J be. ' ~ye (b) The following s.te,ps been taken organised with the involvement of . t~ red'uce the .,ress~re on fore.t $:-. farm.crs in raising

(d) VOIUnf!1rl' Ar'encies 'The grass- dcsatded forest Jands and to reforest them root agencies~ mabila mandals and with f\Jc1wood and fodder species. youth groups would also be motivated in nursery raising and tree ·P~rest plantation's, 9. Development CorporatIons:

(e) Trl'e Patta~: Strips 'of land along The Forest Development Corporations. roads. rails,' canals. etc .. and other should obtain wastelands on lease from tbe degraded land should be given to Governments for raisina rue)wood and the rural poor, witJ:t usufruct rights fodder plan'tations. . o'n the trees planted by them on such lands. 10. Government Departments: 5. Nodal Agency : Government 'Departments. public sect,or The State/U.T. Governments have been undertakings and' other bodleslinstitutions ~uelted to identify a singat nodal agency having substantial areas of unutilised'lands tor ensuring an integrated approach for the must bring such land under tree cover. ~plementation of the programme which is bolo. C)QCcuted by d i(ferent agencies. official 11. Media and-Communication : '.od otherwise. A massive publicity campaign through .t. Seed: the traditional media of folk art and. culture. radio, television and' other audio- The StateslUnion Territories have been \,Iisual aids should be undertdken to create requested to extend the scope of operation awareness among the masses. of the ex.isting State Seed Corporations to ~Jude production and supply of fodder, 12. Monitori~g and EValuation Irass and' legume seeds to farmers on commercial b~lSjS. The State/U.T. Govenments should evolve appropriate monitori~g and evalu- 5. Leasing of I.s.~nds : ation mechanisms to ensure qua1itative The State/U.T. Governments have 'been implementation of the programme. requested to prerarc guidelines for leasing 0' forest and non-forest wastelands for [Trans/at ion) afforestation to the rural poor. Amount under Seventh Plan for Tribal 6. Forest bac:ed Industr!cs : sub-Plan of Madhya Pradesh These must be encouraged to afforest 346J. SHRJ DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : . wastelands to produce the r;:lW material .,seeded by them. Industries must also be Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: ·_thused to raise tr~c cover on waste1ands with a view to provide employment to the mral poor as wen as to enable them. to (a) the amount provided in the Seventh "OW trees on a remunerative basis. The Five Year Plan for the tribal sub.. plan in' Madhy'a Pradesh; State Governments have been' requested to and .draw up gUidelines for the lease of waste .. .Iands to industries in this beha1f. (b) whether the entire amount required for tribal sub.Plan will be made avnUable ,. Urban Fuelwo~d ~nd Gr~en Belts ~ by the Centre or Madbya Pradesh Govern- , ment wilt 'a·lso have to contribute lome The States/U .Ts. have been requested to ensure that towns and ,cities have green amount from its own ,resources? beltl of fuelwood. and fndder plantations to THE DEPUTY MINISTER 1N XHE . ,.ter to the urban fuelw()od and fodder MINISTRY OF WELFARE.' (SA.RI ',u"', OIRIDHAR GOMANGO)': (a) Follqwing . ..'. anlOunts' ere estimated for the TSP in ;' I ..DeIP'~~ed Fore.d Arcls : Seventh Five :Year Plan for the State of States h.lve b~en' requested to identify .Madh¥a Pradesh ::-- 129 Writ"" AIf,fWlra Written lI"swtrl' ,

- . Resource Rs. in crores (b) The inter.Departmental Committee on soil conservation l:ln4 atTorestatloD' for State Plan 1298.70 Sardar Sarovar and Narmada Sagar Project., constituted Union Ministry of AIt~ul. Special Central 204.60 by Assistance ture, has recommended that a total of '7.~ (Estimated) lalch hectare area should be covered under soil conservation and afforeltatioll, Centrally Spon- 195.52 programme during the next to-I' ~ar•• sored and Central Sector. Schemes (c) The Committee bal estimated tt-. (Batima ted) cost of the treatment works to be RI. 1332 crores. Appropriate allocations will, be , Institutional 441.25 provided by ,tbe, Project authoritiel finance after identifying the critical areas. (Estimated) (d) No eriteria has yet been laid dOWQ The amounts are te~tative and subject for Central assistance in this reaard. . to final Plan allocations. [English] (b) Madhya Pradesh Government shall Discussion "ith Foreign Minister of West provide nearly Rs. 1298.70 crores. Govern- Germany ment of India in Ministry of Welfare shall give about Rs. 204.60 crores as SpeciaJ 3463. SHRI P. M. SAYEBD: Will tbe Central Assistance. Another Rs. 195.32 Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be crores are estimated to flow from the pleased to state: Central Government under Centrally Sponsored and Central Sector Schemes. (a) whether be held discussions l~ February, 1986 at Bonn with. West German Land Conservation and Afforestation in Foreign Minister on dHJarmament i.sues: water prooe areas of Narmada Sagar and Sardar Sarovar projects (b) if so, the outcome of the discus~ion . held; and 3462. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (c) other issues which were discussed state: on that occasion 1 ea)' whether Central Government have THE MINISTER OF STATE INTRB laid down any physical targets in the Seven.. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS' works regard land thlPlan for in to (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes, conservation and afforestation in the water Sir. prone area of Sardar Sarovar and Narmada Saaar Projects : (b) The FRO Foreign Minister felt that the two countries, India, a uLeadiol .(b) if so, the details of' targets laid down and the estimated expenditure to be Member -of N AM" and PRO an important incurred thereon in the Seventh Plan; EEC Member, could cncouraac a c.,... tructive dialogue on disarmament. The (c) the allocations made in regard to FRO was also interested in the Greek estimated expenditure and physical targets Prime Minister's idea tQ expand the Six for Gujarat, Maharashtra and Madhya Nations Initiative on Disarmamont to Pradesh separately, and the basis thereof; include more countries. and ...... _. (e) Among other issues discussed wore (d) the criteria laid down for providing IDA assistance to India. North.South CentfaJ assistance to the State Govern- dialogue, India's, roJe 'in Soutb Asia IDd .menfa? Af.banistan. The. discussions' with ~ Foreisn Minister of West Germany shoWed . TUS MINIST.ER OF STATE IN THE that the FRO was v~ry keen to introduce MINISTRY 'OF ENVJRON~ENT AND into their 'relationship with lodia a FORESTS. (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): significant pol.tical content in addition to Yes~ Sir. e~istinl economic coopelCltion, 1~t Written AnN"! MARCH 1', 1986 1'2

(Trans/at ion] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TFfB L i,cences issued to Uptron for MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS E!ectronics Industry (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) (a) Govern- ment has received reports that shells have, 3464. SARI HARISH RAWAT: Will landed in Basrah during the recent pbaFC the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ~tate: of fighting. However, the Indian Consu·l.te (a) the number of letters of intent building in Ba~rah has not been shelled/ licences issued during the last two years to bombed by Iranian bonlbers. UPTRON a pubJic sector undertaking of (b) No, Sir.

U.P .. for setting up electronic industries; ,~ (c) The Ministry of External Affair. i. (b) details in this regard and the names in regular contact with Indian Missions id of the places proposed for the said Iraq. Our Embassy has, not suggested closure industries; of our Consulate in Basrah. There are some (c) the number of the licences out of 1800 Indian nationals in and around Basrah them based on foreign technology; and the Consul Ge~eral's presence is necessary to provide an necessary assistance (d) whether any such industry is to Indian nationals. proposed to be set up in the hill areas of U. P.; [EngUsh] it (e) if so, the J:'laces where is Investment in Electronics Components , proposed 'to be located; and Sector . . . ~f (f) not, the reasons thereof? 3466. SHRI YASHWANTRAO THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE GADAKH PATIL Will the PRIME MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- . MINISTER be pleased to state: NOLOQY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (a) whether it is a fact that investment OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC in electronics components sector has been ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE below the expectation. . (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) 36 Letters of Intent/Industrial Licences have been (b) if so, the details thereof; and issued 10 the UPTRON, a public sector (c) meusures proposed to be taken to undertaking of U.P. for setting up of boost the investment and production in Electronics Industry during the last two this sector ? years (1984 "and 1985). . THE MINISTER OF STATE 1N THE (b) to (f) The information will be MIN1STRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- collected and laid on the Table of the Lok NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Sabha. -OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Indian' C<'mulate 'U Basrab affect.ed by (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) No Sir, Bombing (b) Does not arise. 3465. SHRI HARISH RAW AT: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (c) Measures taken to boost investmeot pleased to state : and production in the area of Electronic ·Components. (a) whether Government are aware that, the nearby areas of Indian consulate in' (i) In order to ensure that economically viable capacities for the .Basrah, Iraq have been raided a number of times by tbe Iran ian bombers ; manufacture of electronic components arc. established in the country . (b) if so, whether Governl11ent intend to produce components at near to close this consulate for the time being; international pr~ces as far as p08li· and . b1e, Government have taken a series of measures wbich includts , (c) if $0, when and if pot. the reasons deJicensing. of the industry. exemp- tberef9f? tion un4jier Sectiof\s 21 &, 2+ of tllc ' 133 PHALOUNA 28~ 1907 '(SAKA) Writ Ie" Answ~r$ 134

MRTP Act and maj'ority foreign omc'isls of Inelian Embassies seekiDl equity participation in case 'of Asylum hi Forelp Contrles closely held high teehnologies. 3468. SHRl SUBHASH YADAV : Will the Minister or EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ~ (n) In addition a Working Group for pleased to state: expeditious processing of' loan applications for electronic com-. (a) the "articulara of Ind ian official. ponents hal been jointly set up by . working in the various Indian' Bmbassiel the Department with the lOBI. who have sought asylum in forciaD COUll-' tries during the last two years; Enquiry into Deaths in POlice'Custody (b) whether Government 01 India have In Deihl approached those foreign Government. for extradition of such officials ; and 3467. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (c) if so, the details thoreof ? "leased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB (a) tbe number of cases of inqui~ies MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Initiated by the Government into the deaths (SHRI K.R,. NARAYANAN): (8) Tho of suspects in police custody ih Delhi particulars of officials in the Indian during 1984 and 1985 stating the level at Missions who h lve sought asylum in which the inquiries were conducted; foreign countries during the last two years are as follows : (b) in how many cases the involvement of police- into the deaths of suspects was (i) Harinder Singh, formerly First established and the number of cases which Secretary, Embassy of India, Oslo. were filed; and He left our Mission on .19.6.84 and sought political asylum from (c) action taken by the Government in the Norwegian Government. cases where deaths of suspects occurred due to police torture ? (ii) Jaswant Singh Banga, formerly Assistant in the Embassy of Indi1), THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Stockoln,. He left the Embassy on DEPARTMENT OF l!~TERNAL SECU", 2.7.84 and sought political asylum RlTY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) The fronl the Swedish Government. deaths that took place in police custody during the year 1984 and 1985 are as (b) No, Sir. fonows :- (c) Does not arise. 1984-3 Extinction of White BrowN Hoolock 1985-5 3469. SHRI SUBHASH Y ADA V: Will In all the above mentioned cases the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to s~ate : jnquiries into the death of suspeets in police custody were conducted u/s 176 Cr. (a) w))ether Government's attention P.C. by the S~b-divisional Magistrates. has been drawn .to the news item appeariDI in the Statesman dated the 14 .January; 1986 (b) Two cases each of 1984 and 1985 wherein it has been stated that th,e rare have been filed after the receipt of inquiry white browed hoolock found only in NOI'th report fronl the S.D. M .. In the third case East India and parts .of Hainan in' India- of 1984. 2 Sub·Inspectors ",ere arrested, China and South East Asia (aces extinction although the inquest report is awaited. In as forests are being depleted and. wild fruit the remaining 3 ca~s, the enquiry reports trees d(.~stroyed ': and of the SDMs are awaited, but prima facie there is no involvement of police in: these (b) if so, the react.ion of Union Govern- cases. ment thereto and what action Government have taken to sav~ these f,~re whit~ bfOWe4 (c) Does not arine, hooloc~ 1 135 ' MARCH J9, 1986 W,ltt'" A:"sw"s

THE MINISTER OF' STAT& IN THE ,(a) the system Government have adop- MINISTRY OF ENvIRONMENT AND ted to monitor the implementation of FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) Ex-servicemen resettlement pr9grammos by Yes, Sir., However, althoulb reduced in the States ; and numbers, the hoolock gibbon is not in . (b) the action Government propose to . danaer of e~tinctil}n in India. take against States which ignore. Govern... (b) The hoolock gibbon is listed in ment's directives regarding the resettlement Schedule I of the Wildife (Protection) Act, of Ex-Servicemen ? 1972 which provides full legal protection THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE against hunting and trade or commerce of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCB RESE· the species and its derivatives. It is also in- ARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI cluded in Appendix I of the Convention on ARUN SINGH): (a) As the primary International Trade in Endangered Species responsibility of implementing such of the of Fauna and Flora (CITES) under which programmes for the resettlement of Ex- international trade in the species. and its servicemen as fall within the jurisdiction dedstvatives is' strictly regulated. Export of of the States is that of the States them- the hoolock gibbon and its derivatives is selves and of the Rajya Sainik Boardsl banned under the current export policy of Zila Sainik Boards, the first ievel of moni- Government. A number of national parks toring is the function of the State Govern,,:, and sanctuaries, have been est3:blished in ment and its agencies. IIowever, the Direc~ Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Meg- tor General of Resettlement under the balaya and Mizoram where this species and Ministry of Defence compiJes information its habitat are protected. which it obtains from the State Govern men t Outcome of visit of Queen Beatrix of , agencies, maintains appropriate liaison with the Netherlands them, and assists the Central Government 3470. SHRI SUBHASH Y ADAV: Will in the formulation of 'policy and in pursuing the State Governments the imple- the Ministe~of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be with pleased to state: mentation of such programmes, wherever necessary. (a) whether Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands visted I~dia during the months (b) The Central Government is engaged in formulating, with the participation and of January t 1986 ; consent of the State 'Governments, a con- (b) if so, the outcome oJ the talks held sensus on the programmes which need to with the Indian Leaders; and be introduced for the welfare of Ex-service- (c) whether any agreement has also been men, and in trying to prevail on various signed 1 States to accept the policy initiatives taken by the Central Governn1ent. The related THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE issues are accordingly taken up by the Cen- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS tra 1 . Government with the State GOvern- (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes, ments .at appropriately high levels, both in Sir. correspondence as weil, as in forums like the Kendriya Sainik Boards. (b') The visit has contributed to understandio'g between the two countries and the talks held between the leaders of the Reserva tion of Vacanc ies of Ex-servicemen in Ordnaoce Factories two countries are expected to relult in increased cooperation in. the industrial and 3472 .. SHRI AlAY MUSHRAN : ' Wilt economic fic.ds. thc Minister:': of DEFENCE be pleased to (c) No, Sir. state: (a) whether reservation quota of vacan. Implementation of Prograillmes for Resettle- ment of Ex-Servicemen . des (14-1/2 percent in Group C and 241 ,per~ cent in Group D) for ex-servicemen haa 3471., SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN: Will been fully filled in Ordnance Factories and the Minister of DEFENCE -be pleased to other industrial organisations, u,nder·· the ,t"t~ ; Defence Ministry ; .. 1 . I . .~' ~ '\ r ( ~ Written An$wers PHALGUNA 28. 1907 (SAK~) JVrltlen Answ'rs

(b). if not, to what exten t these vacancies Orpnlsations under ·'the Defence Ministry have heelt' fllled and the reason ,for the i. beinl obtained. ' shortfall ,; and (b) The reasqns for'shortfall in fitHo, , ,(c) what action Government propose v8eancies by ex-servicemen are ; ,to take for proper' utilisation of these vacan- (0 non availability of candida~es ; cies ., (ii) reluctance on the part of ex· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE servicemen to apply for posts of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESE- un.sk~lled labour, cleaner, ·sweep,cr ARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI and maintenance staff where d'irect nUN SINGH) : '(a) The reservation of recruitment is mostly done ; vacanc.ies for ex-servicemen is 1~ 1/'2 percent (iii) inability of ex .. servicemen to meet in Group C and 24}' percent in Group D requirements for highly skiUed posts in Central Public Sector Under.. jobs. takinas and 10 percect and 20 percent respectively in the Central Govern- (c) Instructions have been issued by ment Ministries and Departments. A Government on the need to fill vacancies statement showing the vacancies reserved reserved for ex-servicemen and a)80 rei tera- for ex-servicemen in Group C and Group ted from time to time. Liaison Officers D and the numbers filh~d during the year have been appointed in each Ordnance 1984 in respect of the Industrial Organisa- Factory and in different Public Sector tions·· under the Department of Defence Undertakings to notify reserved vacancies Production is given below. Information in to Sainik Boards, Djrectorate General of respect of the few remaining Industrial Resettlement and Employment Exchanges.

Statement " __.. ,_10·. '~,- Vacancies III SI. Name of the Organisation . Group 'C' Group'D" ...... ,------.. No. Reserved Filled Reserved Filled ----.-~-" ...... --...... ------~--..... _,.---.. 1. Ordnance Factories 132 38 674 247 2. Directorate General of Inspection 73 4S 93 27 3. Directorate of Technical Development 8 4 14 8 & Production (Air) 4. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited 221 192 S9 21 -: s. Bharat Electronics Limited 23 23 26 13 6. Bhart Earth Movers Limited 107 83 ' 38 19 7. Mazsaon D,ock Limi ted ·23 316 ' 452

• ~:~ 11 8. Goa Shij;bl.lilders Limited 21 7 29 36 9. Garden Reach Shipbuilders &, ,3 6 23 Enaiueers 11. Bhart Dynamics Limited ...... 11. Praga Tools Limited 16 11 ,Il. Mishr~ DhaUl Nigam Limited 12 S 2

Total : 641 408 - 12'7 846 , I • Written .Altlw,rS . .Wrltten Answer,

. , . Rural Coa,.. ion Technology Centres led Tribe families were economically -.il- ted to enable them' to cross the poverty, 3473. SHIll VIJAY N. PATIL: Will line. tho . PRIMB MINISTER be pleased to .tate. : (b) The tentative targets of assistiDI economically about 2 lakh SC families and whother tbe Department of Science 22.000 ST families have been thouabt of for co-operation and TechnololY in with the the S~ven th Plan. Department of Rural Development has earmarked a project for the setting up of' (c) and (d) During the Sixth Pl~n "Rural Conversion Technology" in various period, the total investment under Special parts of the country ; . Component Plan for the development of Scheduled Castes and under Tribal Sub . (b) if so, the objective behind the pro- Plan for the development of Scheduled Jeet ; . Tribes was of the order of Rs. 100.00 crores (c) the number of centres likely to be and Rs. 23.00 crores respectively. In addi- opened for "Rural Conversion Technol(lgy" tion to this. an amount of Rs. 13.95 crores and the pbices where they wi) 1 be opentd ; was released by the Govt. of India to the State Govt. as Special Centra 1 Assistance and to Special Component Plan and Rs. 2.87 (d) the amount that will be spent '00 crores as Special Central Assistance to setting up of each 'centre? Tribal Sub Plan during Sixth Plan period. The strategy of SCP/TSP and SeA is con- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tinuing in the Seventh Plan also. Schemes MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND in various sectors are taken up by the State TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- Gnvt. for ~armarking of flow to poth SCP MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, and TSP. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Cleaning of Ganga Rl\'er No Sir. The Department of Science and Technology has no project for sett ~ ng up 3475. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN "Rural CODversion Technology" Centres io RAMJIBHAI MA VANI: Will the PRIME various parts of the country in co-operation MINISTER be pleased to' state: with the Ministry of Rural Development. (a) whether it is a fact that some (b) to (d) Do not arise. M.Ps·, V.I.Ps. Religious and other oraanisa- tions have given various suggestions in Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes cleaning of Ganga and such other holy raised above Poverty Line rivers of the country; 3474. SHRI K.. KUNJAMBU: Will the (b) if so, the details thereof; Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: (c) the action taken on each suggestion (a) the total number of people belong- with outcome tbereof ; and ing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (d) the latest progress in cleaninl work Tribes in 'Kerala raised above the poverty of river Ganga. line durin a tbe Sixth Five Year Plan; . TlfE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB (b) the target for the Seventh Plan; MINlSTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (c) the amount being spent for 'this FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. 'A~SARI): (a) to . purpose; and (c) Numerous sUlaestions and comments bave been received from various people the plan (d) the details of formulated in and organisations reaardins schemes for tbis regard ? purification of the Ganga and some other nIE DEPUTY MINisTER IN THE river such as Yamuna. The suggestions MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI made relate to schemes to be taken up for OIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) During the clean ing of Ganga, general issues dealin. Sixth Five Year Plan period, '2-20 lakhs with the problems of water and environ· $~heduled Ca~te' families and 23,307 Schedu.. mental pollution, need for .afforestation Wrltteh Answer $ Written Answers 142

etc. Some of the suggestions received (d) But for the adjustment of advtDce such &I generation of bioenergy, sewage Plan assistance. 'States have been trca~ment, r.lver front conservation, low allo~atcd hisber ,Central assistance in 'colt sani tat ion', prevention of dumping of 1985 .. 86 at d 1'986 .. 87 as compared to prbqe etc into the river have $Iready been ·198.... 85 . in coporated in the types of schemes to be . taken up under Ganga Action Plan. , (e) lhe annual provision of, Central assistance to the individual States is gene .. (d) (i) A Works Pr ogramme for the rally made in the context of their shares thre~ States' of U.P., ~ibar and Welt determined under. the Modified Ga~giJ Bengal at notional cost of Rs. 292'31 Formula for the Seventh Plan and the crores has been approved by the Central overall amount of assistance provided for Ganga Authority. the Al\Dual Plan by the Centre. In addi· tion to the normal Central assistance, the (U) As on 7th March. ·1986:l, twenty- States are also provided assistance for two schemes in nine towns in three States 'externally aided projects approved for their at' an estimated cost of Rs. 10.77 crores Plan. are under execution. Three schemes at an (f) All States have been allocated estimated cost of Rs. 1.05 crores have been Central assistance for the Annual Plan comp1eted in U.P. 1986.. 87.

Ceo tral Assistance to Andhra Pradesh Production of Computer Softw:\rc 3477. SHRlMATI JAYANTI PAT· 3476. SlIRl N. VENKATA RATNAM: NAIK: WHI the PRIME MINISTER be Wilt the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : pleased to state : (a) the quantum of turnOVl.!r in com .. (a) the financial assistance granted by puter software in the country in the b~gin. the Union Government to Andhra Pradesh ning of Seventh Plan and the target fixed for 1985·86 and 1986·87 : during the Seventh PIal) fl)r this purpose; (b) whether assistance has been reduced (b) what steps are being taken to reach in 1985-86 and 1986-87 as compared to the target; 1984·85 ; (c) whether certain cities have been declared as "Software cities"; (c) if so, the reasons therefor; (d) if so, names of those .. cities; and (d) the names of States to whom (e) what facilities would be available assistance have been reduced and the rea .. for development of software industries in sons therefor; those locations ? (e) the general principles adopted by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB , the Union Government in grantin& annual MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH· ulistance to vari ')US States; arid NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (f) the names of the States to whom OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Central assjstance has been granted for ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE. 1986-87 1 - (SHRI SHIVRA,J V. PATIL): (a) Com- puter software marketed during 1985-86, the THE MINISTE~ OF STATE IN THB, beginning of Seventh P,lan, may be estima· MINISTRY OF PLANN·INO (SHRI A.K. ted to be near Rs. 95 crores, and during PANJA) : (a) The Central assistance allQ- 1989.;.90 around Rs. 650 crores, includiog cated tQ Andhra Pradesh for th.e'State's turn Qver of computer software for exports. Annual Plan 1985 .. 86 and 1986-87 is' &8_ 339.62 crotes and R.s. 298,01 crores r~8pcct. (b) GGvernment have taken' the follow. ively. ina steps to promote the develo11ment or computer' softwat:e : (b) No. Sir. (i) Inttgrated Policy Measures in

(it) Now Computer Policy, Novomber Anga Salai, LLA B\1ildln8,' "'. 19 1984 • • Second Floor. Madras,' (Iii) Department of Electronics it plan~ S. Re&ional Director (NER), StaB' nina to cstablish Software Deve- , Selection Commission, R.IC. lopmcnt Aleney to promote tb,e Choudhary Road. Bharalumukh, iotclrated Irowth of computer Ouwahati (Assam). . lo,ftware industry ,for export· as . well as domestic markets. 6. Dy. Regional Director, Sub- Regionai Office, Staff Selection (c) Governm'ent have not' declared any Coml'nission, 84, Anand Nagar, city as software city. . Civil Lines, Raipur (M.P.). (d) and (e) Do not arise in view of (c) (c) and (d) A' public grievances cell above. has been set up at Sub-Regional Office of the Co~ision at 84, Anand Nagar, Civil GrIevances Cell iD Staff Selection Commission Lines, Raipur (Madhya Pradesh) from 3td February. 1986. . 3478. 'KUMARI PUSHPA DEVl,: W1l1 the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Agreement of Electronics India Limited witb Indonesian iFrm for Photo Voltic System (a) whether the Staff Selection Com- mission has set up grievances cell at ilS 3479. SHRIMATI NIRMALA KUMARI headquarters and also at some of i tg rClio- SHAKTAWAT: Will the ·PRIME MINIS- TER be pleased to state: Dal offices; . (b) if so, the names of its 'regional (a) whether the Electronics India· Offices . where such grievances cells have Limited has entered into an agreement been opened ; with an Indonesian firnl for marketing their 8(Jlar photovolitc system in that (c) whether any such regional offices of country 1 Staff Selection Commission functioning in (b) if so, the details thereof; and Madbya Pradesh have opened grievances "11; and (c) whether this will help India becom- (d) if so. the details thereof 1 ina a largest country in third world with relard to Solar photovoltic system manufacturing? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC THE MINISTI;R OF STATE IN THE GR.IEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH~ P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (b) 1. Regional Director (CR), Staff ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Selection Commission, 8, Beli (SHRI SHIVRAJ V.' PATIL): (a) Yes, Road, Allahabad. Sir. The company concerned, however, ia l. Relional Director (BR). Staff Central Electronics Umited, Sahibabad Selection Commission, ~, (UP), a Public Sector Enterprise, of the Esplanade ROW, WeBt Old Ass- . Department of Scientific and Industrial embly Buildins, Ground Floor, , Research. Calcutta. (b) A Memorandum of Understandio. 3. Reaiona1 Director (WR),.' Staff (MOU) has been entered into between Selection Commission. Army Central Electroni,s Limited (eEL) and aDd Navy Building, 2nd Floor, ,Mada Wikri Tunggal. a leading company in Mahatma Gandhi Road, (Opp. ~donesia dealing with higb-te,hn,ololY Jab.nair Art Gallery. K.ala- products, OD 24 February 1986, durin. a ahode) Bombay., . visit to India by a Hiah-lcvcl del~latioD from the Indonesian, Chamber of Com .. 4~ Regional Director (SR) , Staff meree sponsored by Ena.necring Ex.port SCI~tiOD Commission, 735, Promotion Council. The MOU coverl I Written AlUwers 146

the Indonesian firm Jlctinl as the aellinl' Shuttle launcbes arc presently suspended apDt in Indonesia for the Solar Photo- and the date' for resumption of Space ,voltaic Systems manufactured by CBL, ,'Sh'~ttle tliBhts is yet to be fixed.,' The trainiDI of Indone~ian personnel at CBL's.,' Dcpartmcnt of 'Space . is making every' effort 'racto,ry,~ assistance from eEL' towrde to have launched INSAT-IC by around end market development in Indonesia; and of 1986. possible subsequent transfer of technololY by eEL to the Indonesian firm for manu.. .. .- (d) No, Sir. There is no connection facturing Solar ~hotovo1taic system and between the INSAT System and the heavy sub-systems . water' plant at ~ota.

. (c) Both according to internal assess- Participation' of Private Sector in Space ments and published data by leading PrograDlme ' international Ag:ncies, Central Electronics 3481. SHRI NARESH CHANDRA Limited is already the largest company in CHATURVEDI: Will the PRIME MINIS- the third world with resard to the manu- TER be pleased to sta te : facture of solar pbotovoltaics. Arrange- ments 'sucb as the one entered into with the (a) whether Government propose to Indonesian company wO'.lld serve to enhance invite the Private Sector to participate in eEL·8 production and international country's space programme·; and marketing base. (b) if so, the deta its in this regard 1 Procurement of Insilt .. ID THE'MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE. AND 3480. SHRIMATI NIRMALA TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART· KUMARI SHAKTAWAT: Will the PRIME MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, MINIST ER be pleased to slate: ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRO~ICS (a) whether it is a fact that INSAT-ID AND' SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : is being procured ; (a) Indian Industry J including the private sector is already an important participant (b) if so J the reasons thereof ; in the Indian Space Programme. (c) when the INSAT·IC is expected to (b) The Indian Space Research Organi. be launched; and sation (ISRO) iJ;lteracts with indian Indus- (d) whether this will help in major try, including the private sector, in the following namely: itnprovements to heavy water plants at major areas, Kota ~ (a) Procurement of goods and ser- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB vices, MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- (b) Technology transfer of ISRO deve- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS lopment products, ' OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (c) Technical consultancy to indus- (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) :' tries, (a) Yes, Sir. (d) Technology utilisation including specialised R&D and fabrication fourth IN SAT-I (b) INSAT-ID, the ~ontract8. sateUite, has been deemed necessary' to provide the required INSAT space-segment Problem of Rehabilitating Displaced Pet.. "pacities durins the periQd " in which fM)DS from former East Pakistan in trao$ition from 'foreign procured INSAT·I West Beagal satellites 'to indigenously desisned and 3482. SHRI SANAT K.UMAR. MAN· built I,NSAT-II satellites is, expe~ted to take place" in a phased mannet:. DAL: SHRt R. P. DAS : , (c) INSAT-IC is currently manifested on Space Shuttle tlisht 61 ..1. ,which has been Will the Minister of HOMB AFfAIR.S sebeduted. for September, 1986. The 8oago be pl.acd to .tat. : .47 Written Answcrt

(a) whether the Government of' Wast mod 'to have mer,od with the main stream Bengal has expressed its serious concern ot ihe national life and, any further aUII- over the Union' Rehabilitation Ministry's tancc for their upliftment should now ;co.. ' inaistcnce that rehabilitating dispJac04 from the normal schemes' of the Stat. persons 'from former East Paki.stan in West Government. Rupees 8S lakhs (Plan) ...4 Bengal is a residual problem; and Rs. 70 lakhs (Non~Plan) have been provided in the Budget Estimates for 1986-87 for the (b) if'so, the Union Government's reac-' scheOlee being executed by the OovernUJODt tion thereto and the funds which Govern- of West Bengal. ment proposes to make available durif'lS 1986-87 to the West Bengal Government to Marine Eco-System solve the refugee l~habiljtation problem? 3483. SHRI D. N. REDDY: Will the THE IvllNISTER OF SfA TE IN THB PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- RITY (SIIRJ ARUN NEHRU): (a) and (a) whether endangered marine species (b) The IS5ue was raised by the Minister.. have been recognised and'if so, the dotaill in-charge, Refugee, Relief and Rehabilita.. thereof; tion Department, Government of West (b) whether there is inajequacy of Bengal, in the Conferenct! of Rehabilitation knowledge and informltion on marine eco- Ministers an~ it was explained to him that system snch as coral reefs, mangroves ; since th~ bulk of the work relating to reset.. and tlement (' f refugees fforn former East Paki- stan had already been completed, the on- (c) what steps Government propose to going schemes were of residuary nature and take to protect these eco .. systems 1 should be complc:cJ un a t in1": bound basis. TaE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE No migrant has c'.)me after 25.03.1971, MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 2. A wide range of measures were FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (3) Yes, undertaken for the resettlem.;:n t of llligran ls Sir. D.!t:-tils of m:lrine species which are in 'Vest Bt!l1£al and dsewhere. These afforded full legal protection against hunting included agricultural schem\!s, voca- and trade or commerce under the schedules tional and technical training, indust- of the Wild Life (Protection) Act, 1972 are rial schemes, rehabilitatton loans for kS follows: amaH trade, housing, etc., development , Schedule-I of colonies and provision for education and medical facilities. The nature and size (i) All Cetacean species of the problem of rchobilitation in West (ii) Dugong Benlal was assessed from time to time in (iii) Estuarine or Salt-Water Crocodile. consultation with the State Governm~nt and the last such assessment was under- (iv) Green Sea turtle, Hawksbill turtle. taken in 1975-76 by the Working Oroup Logger head turtle, Olive Ridley set up by the Government of India, Based turtle, Leathery turtle. on Ihe recommendations of the Working Group, various schemes were sanctioned. Schedu Ie-IV The schemes for (i) medical facilities and (1) All sea snakes '(ii) educational facilities, have been implemented. Schemes for acquisition of land (b) and, (c) A staternonfis given below. ," for Government sponsored and pre-19S1 Statement, and post-1950 approved squatter's colonies/ ex-camp site families and rehabilitation of Various agencies and institutions of tho families from Indian Enclaves in former Central Government are, ,engaged in field East Pakistan are in the process of being surveys and studies of marine eco.. systems. implemented, by the SLate Government with Adequate knowledge is available. Conser- fuuds provided by the Central Government. vation and' protective measures have to be . Government of India" f\!els that leaving taken in coope'ration with State Gover• aside the above mentioned problems of meats to prevent wanton exploitat ion aJ;ld displaced persons wnich are being sorted .destruction of tho resourc~s of the' n1~rino out. the displaced persolls should be dee- oco-s),stCQls like coral reefs, manarovel. Written Answer, 150

'Thero arc at pre.ent two matine ecosystem particularly to evaluate the national parks-one in tho Gull of ,kutch impact of man-,fnd aced stresSOI such as (Gu.iar.t) and, the other III tbe ,AneJamaa liberia, 8lricultute, clear-fellina,' tourism. lilands, constituted under the Wildlife 'etc. ,with an objective to develop conserva- (Protection) Act, 1972 for cOGservatioD of tion ttratc,ies baaed on sound ecololical thole identified marino eco... ystems. The principles. There is a Manalement Plan to intention to constitute a marine national control human activities in Sunderbans. All park in the Gult of Mannar (Tamil Nadu) forestry operation in the reserve have 'been bas also been notified uDder the said Act. stopped~ This prOlramme rec~ivcs Central The Oovcmment of TAmil Nadu has been Assjstance under the Project Tiler Scheme. asked to provide protection to the marine' cco-system of Oulf of" Mannar where the A propos~1 is also under consideration endangered Dugong, and several other to create -a marine reserves in the Laksha- marine fauna and ftora are under threat of dweep group of islands coveriDI Banlaram exploitation and depletion, The State Govt. islands alongwitb a few other uninhabited have stated that they have constituted a nearby islands. The removal of coral recf. hiah.1evel eommittee whose report is awai· for use as building materials has been dis· ted and that final notification of the continued and construction materials from National Park of Gulf of Mannar would be the mainland are beiDg ut iI ized. done after the report has been received and Dowry Deaths in the Country' examined. 3484. SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ A National Park for protection of wild- ALl KHAN: Will the Mi nister of" HOME life in Sunderbans has already been esta- AFFAIRS be pleased to state the number blished." 2585 sq, km. with 1330 sq. km. core of dowry deaths which took place in the area of Sunderban National Park consti- country during the period from 1983 to tutes one of the 15 Tiger Reserves of India ~~1 ' under Project Tiger Scheme of the Govern- ment. It is further proposed to include THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sunderbans in the network of Biosphere DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- Reserves in India for conservation of RITY (SliRI ARUN NEHRU): The biolo&ical diversity. Research is being available number of dowry death cases undertaken to understand the structure and reported duriog the ye"ars 1983, 1984 and functioning of the Sunderbans mangrove 1985 arc given in the Statement below.

StatelD8Dt

S.No. Name of State/U.T. Dowry Death cases reported durin" -----1983 '1984 1985 ---~--, --'------. STATES 1. Andhra Pradesh 5 6 1~ (apto 1uly, 1(85) 2. Assam Nil 1 3 (upto June, 1985) 3. Bihar IS 20 3 (upto July, 1985) 4. Gujarat :1 S 9 (upto Sept .• 1985) " s. Haryana 71 ~6 99 6. Himachal Pradesh 4 . 4 3 7. Jammu & Kalhmir 1 ·Nil 20 (upto 'Feb., 1985) 8. Karnataka 31 45 3S 9 •• Kcrala Nil Nil S 10. Madhya Pradesh 39 41 Nil t ! , 1;1 Wrllten:Answer$ MARCk ...; 1986 Wrlll,,, A.lllWera lsi

'Sl.No .. Name of the Dowry Death ca.. · f4'POrtect \I.UrI._ ' State/U.T. 1983 1984 1985

11. Mabarashtra 68 31 (upto Oct., 1985). 12. Maoipur Nil'" Nil Nil

13. Melhalaya Nil Nil NiJ (upto Oct., 1985)

15. Nagaland Nil Nil Nil

1S. Orissa 6 22 Nil

16. Punjab 47 47 32

17,. Rajasthan 24 32 29

18. Sikkim Nil Nil Nil

19. Tamil Nadu 4 18 6 (upto Oct., 1985).

20. Tripura Nil Nil Nil

21. Uttar Pradesh 160 202 323

22. West Bengal 18 16 63 (upto Oct., 1985)

UNION TERRITORIES

. 23. A & N blands Nil Nil Nil

24. Arunachal Pradesh Nil Nil Nil

25. Chand'igarh 2 1 2

26. D & N Haveli . Nil Nil Nil

27. Delhi 41 45 33

28. Goa, Daman & Diu Nil Nil Nil

29. Laksbadweep Nil Nil Nil

30. Mizoram Nil Nil Nil

31. Pond icherry Nil Nil Nil

NOTE: 1~ Figures may be treated as provisional. 2. N. A. Stands for Not Available. Writ,., Answers 154

New Framework fer AppraIsal of Public (b) whether South' Asian Association .' Sector Ur.lts ror R~ion.J Cooperation Summit have 348S. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMAN· evolved a common approach of cooperation GALAM: Will the the Minister of for new information order and to strengthen PllOGRAMMI3. IMPLBMBNTArlON be the UNESCO; and pleated to atate : (c) if 80, the details thereof 1 whether a new' framework for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB appraisal of public sector 'Units is under MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR.S preparation : (SHRI K.R: NARAYANAN) : (a) ,At the SAARC Summit Dhaka, it was decided (b) whether the present artificial and ,iq to convene.a Ministerial Meeting in order . unnecessary Secrecy of running of Institu- to dfscuss and concert the views of the from public ':andl ii "proposed to' be tion. SAARC countries on the nn-going discus- . eliminated in order to achieve appraisal. evaluation and corrective mid.coQrse .ions on New International Economic Order and the improvement of the World correction. ; and rrading System through GATT. The (c) whetber necessary changes in the Ministerial Meeting is going to be held in OtBcial Secretes Act are also proposed to Islamabad on April 2-~, 1986. be made? (b) No, Sir. THE! MINISTER OF PROGR.AMME (c) Does not arise. IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A.B.A. GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY):· dacoities. rapes and thefts which have been 3486. SHRI BRA.r'A.MOHAN reported during 1985 throughout the coun- MOHANTY: Will the Minister of try (State-wise) ? EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether South Asian Association DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU. for Regional Cooperation Summit have RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): The evolved any common strategy to the issue number of cases of murders. dacoities, of new international economic order to rapes and., thefts reported, during the have more equitable shares in the World· year 1985 (State-wise) are given in the Trade and Resources ; statement below.

Statement Slat_ment show/ug the figures 0/ Murders etc. during 1985

----Sl. Name of the Murder Dacoity Rape Theft No. State/U. T.

1 2 3- 4 S 6

STATES

1. Aodhra Pradesh 926 163 1S7 8,640 upto July, 1985 2. Assam 292 229 126 3,174 upto June, 1985 3. Bihar 2,383 2,103 329 12,732 upto September. 1985

4. Gujarat 907 239 11'1 I 12,560 tipto September, 1985 5. Jlal')'8.Da 34' 14 114 3,600 - '15S Wrltl.,. Auwe'l MAI.~ 19,1916 W,lllell .,4,.,." I~

1 2 3 4 5 t;

6. Himachal P~adelh 74 4 33 578

7. Jammu & ICaabmir 7 4 12 216 upto Iaeuaey, 1985

8. ltarnataka 1,003 154 98 16.661

9. lCerala 446 21 120 2.675

to. Madhya Pradesh . 2,558 311 1,428 39,019

11. Mahll(aahtra 1,750 448 S60 44,908 up to October. 1985 .. 12. Maoipur 13 14 , '23

13. Moabalaya 76 23 17 462

14. Nagaland 36 17 (; 328

IS. Orissa Sti8 254 166 11,840

16. Punjab 646 8 82 1,118 ' ~ 17. Rajasthan 1,017 78 522 12,394 .

t8. Sikkim ~ 1 6 95

19. Tamil Nadu 1,231 40 184 20,420 upto October, 1985.

20. Tripura ISO 212 34 1.131

2t. Uttar Pradesh 6,206 2,829 888 48,731

J 22. West Bengal 1,237 700 422 25,070 upto October, 1985.

UNION TERRITORIES

23. A&N Islands ]2 3 102

24. Arunachal Pradesh 35 9 5 222

25. Chandigarh 14 4 720 26. D&N Havell 10 1 1 66

27. Delhi 312 26 83 13,770

28. Goa, Daman & Diu 21 S 10 1,036

29. Lakshadweep 7

30. Mizoram 21 1 S3 217

31. Pondicheary 17 1 696

NOTE: 1. Fi,ures may be treated as provisio,nal. 2. Fi,\lres are baled on monthly crime statistics. 151 , W,li",. .A",wtr~ 1'8

Aid to India's Defence Plans b)' U.S.A. ties far .investigation. Out of 407 .cases sent for investigatk.n, investigation reports 3488. SHRt SOMNATH RATH: WiJl on 122 cases were received of which 42 are the Minister of DEFENCE be ·.pleased to still under the examin:ltion of the Central .tate : Viailance Commission. O\~t· of remainin, (a)' wbether USA is going to aid India's 80 cases, Central Vigilance Commission defence plans as appeared in news ite~ recommended prosecution in one case; of Hindustan Times dated 15 February, major/minor ." penalty proceedings in 14 1916 ; and cases; administrative action in 2 cases and closure report was filed in 63.cases. . (b) if so, the d.!tails in this regard? During 1985 the Central Bureau of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE- Investigation received complaints against DEPAIlTMENT OF DEFENCE 1626 officials. Out of these 133 regular RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT enquiry/cases were registered against 198 (SHRI ARUN SINGH): <8> We do not officials, action as deemed fit was recom. have any plans of acquiring military hard· mended to the concerned'authorities against ware from USA at present: We are ·417 officials and no actibn was taken in e.ploring the possibility of obtaining respect of 815 officials as the 'complaints components!sub-systems/dcvices from maDY were anonymous/pseudonymous and com- countries, including USA, for defence plaints against 196 officials are pending technological systems under development verification with the Central Bureau of in India. Investigation. Out of 133 cases taken up (b) As discussions with the US Adminis.. for enquiry/investigation by Central Bureau tration are continy.ing, it is premature on of Invesitgation, 9 were sent up f9r trial, our part at thi s stage to provide detai1s of 16 were recomn1endcd for regular depart- the items needed for these technological mental action, 6 were closed for wa nt of systems. sufficient evidences nnd 102 ~re pending enquiry /investigation. Action agaisnt Corrupt' Officials Compl~jl)ts of Corruption received from 3489. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: JVJcmbcrs of P .. trliament Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 3490. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (a) the number of officials against. statc : whom complaints of misappropriation and irreauJarities have been received by Central (a) whether he has received complaints Bureau of Investigation and Central Vigi- of corruption and misuse of powers against lance Commission during 1985; Secretaries and High Officers during 1985 from Membet s of Parliament; (b) the number of Officials againsi whom enquiries were conducted and if so, (b) if so, the facts and contents when and -to whom the enquiry reports were thereof f! lubmitted ; and. (c) whether he has got them investigated (c) the number of cases in which through some independent agency; charles were found correct and action (d) if not, the reasons thet:efor ; ,and taken by Government against such officers ? (e) act ion taken or being taken in the THE MINISTER OE STATE IN THE matter so as to remove corruption? MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL. PUBLIC GlUEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE P. CHlDA~lBARAM) : (a) to (c) During MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC the year '1985, complaints involving 2269 GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI public selvants were received in tJ:1e Central P. CH1DAMBARAM) : (a) to (e) S~venteen Vililanc;;e Com'mission. Out of these compla-nts were received during 1985 by coDlplaints, 407 involving 503 public ser- Prime Minister·s Office from the Members ""nta, , wer~ sent to tbt( concern~d a\ltbori... of ralJiament esainst Secretaries, Heads Qf ., 159 . "',Itt,,, A.nlWfrs .W,ltten A:IUWe1'S . the, Departments and Chief Executives .of (c) whethct close ties with French Public Sector Undertakings. AU tbese companies are likely to hinder the traD:Sfer com()laints were referred to concc:;rned of technology on {'elated field from Japan . Ministries/Departments for necessary aotion. 0" .ther countries ; and Out of "these. Central Bureau of" Investi- lat\on looked into one complaint on. a (d) if so, what safeguards are propoled reference from the concerned Depart31cnt. in tbi. regard ? In tbis case. Central Bureau of Investi- gation ,informed the Department that since , THE MINISTER OF ,STATE IN THE the ofticer .had already retired and no loss MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- bad been caused to the Government, an LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF enquiry' by the CBI would not serve any OCEAN DEVELOPMENT;,' ATOMIC useful ,purpose. ENERGY. BLECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI . SHlVRAJ V. PATlL): (a): The Re'fiew of workiDIt of Misbra Dblta Nigam , ' Limited Indo-Frencb Working Group on Electronic. and Informatics, set-up in the framework of 3491. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : the 1983 protocol for cooperation between Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased India and France in Eleotronics and Infor- to state: matics, held its third meeting hi New Delhi, on 20·21 January, 1986. The two parties (8) whether a review was rec-ently agreed that the Indo-French cooperation made of the working of the Misbra Dbatu in· Electronics and Informatics should focus Nigam Limited ; OD transfer of technology from France to (b). whether the Minister of State for India and joint effort for export of know- Defence Production. during his recent visit how, hardware, software and services to third to the Mishra Dhatu Nigam Limited at' countries, Both parties outlined that they Hyderabad, found that its performance was were seeking cooperation on a long term not upto the expectations and that the basis,. and that the concrete projects desig- project had Dot been properly implemented; ned by the Working Group with short and medium ternl objectives should under- and be stood in that framework. (c) if so, what remedial measures are proposed to be taken -by the' Government 1 (b) To implement the recommendation of the Working Group. specified project in ,THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the following areas have been worked out MINISTRY OF DEFENCE PRODUCTION and Steering Committees consisting' the AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI SUKH concerned scientists from India and France R.AM) : (a) The perfornlance of the have been constituted with reference to Company is reviewed on a regular basis. each project to monitor tbe progress of the project regularly : (b) It was observed that there was a scope for improvement in certain ,areas. 1. Computer hardware, software and (c) Government is closely monitoring applications: . the Company's performance and remedial 2. Instrumentation steps are initiated as and when necessary. 3. Fibre-optics Recommendations of Indo-French working group on Electron!cs 4. Communication

3492~ SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the S. Components. PRIME MINISTER be pleased t~ state: (a). the detaiis of n:lajor recommenda- (c) and (d) No Sir. No commitment tions/points in the final report or the- Indo- with reference to the transfer of', know-how French Wor,king Group on Electronics and is given in the recommendations. Each case ' Informatics; for t:be transfer of t("chnology from the' different countries win be evaluated' 0'0 The (b) the concrete steps propose" to be bali.S of merit. and Government of India's . taken in pursuance there or ; " 'policy at the time of evaluation, t~t Wrltl". AIf,w'r, ~ PHALGUNA 28, if07 (SAKA) 162

Subdued Electronics Development by the poUc)' licensing' policy dearly states that assembly of "Kit Imp~rt and Label Technology" of crv sets bused on kit imports would not be aJlowed. At present about 20% of 3493. SARI Ie. RAMAMURTHY : Will the components going into the crv sets the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to are made indigenously. The percentaae ot state : imported components in CTV is expected to (a) whether it is a fact that the policy come down to about 60% by 1986-87. and of "K it import and label technology" and become nominal from 1988 onwards. The the neglect of consumer electronics bas major steps taken to indigenise components strangled the development of electronics including fhose guing into colour TV seta as a manufacturing industry in the country; include: as. has been pointed out by the Chairman and Managing Director of Indian Telephone delicensing of the components industry Industries Ltd. in a recent seminar held in and allowing MRTP and FERA compa- Bangalore ; and nies to manufacture component~J sot hat the resources and the capabilities of (b) if so, the bteps being taken to rec- such companies arc available to esta- tify this situation, particularly when the blish large scale prl,duction of quality country's requirements of electronics by components, at reasonable prices. 2000 AD would be of the value of Rs. 56000 crores per annum according to a report of Association of Indian Engineering As regards VCR/Vep manufacture, Industry? only such pa r tic s will be pr omotcd as are prepared to commit sizable investnlcnts for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE suitable vertical intr::,gration. with an MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- accelerated phased manufacturing pro- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF gramme; and which have the requisite in- OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC built capacity to keep pace with the ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE changing technology_ Thus. a definite (SHR [,SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b) indigenisntion progralnme is built into the No, Sir. Goverenment policy does not fav- vCR/yep manufacturing policy. our k it imports. This is clear from the fact 1h .It import of all consumer goods in SKD TIH~ Olher major steps taken to promote condit ion, and populated/loaded/stuffed establishm~nt of a genuinely indigenous pri nted circuit boards, are in AppendiX! 2, consumer el~ctronics industry include ;- par t B (List of Restricted Items) of the lrnporl & Export Policy 1985-88. Further, (a) Issuing industrial approvals libe- on ly limited quantities of kits/sub-as8emb- rally, with viable production capacities, 80 lies, are permitted for import under that economies of scale are derived and Append i~ 3, Part CA' (List of limited healthy competition encouraged. ~ permissible items-raw materials t components, consumables, tools and spares) ; and (b) broad-banding of induC)trial licences/ this is essentially to facilitate initial under.. approvals. sta~ding of the integration process. reverse engineering etc. This cannot be construed (c) permitting liberal import of techno as kit assembly, based on screw driver logy, where required to establish appropri .. technology. ate base, or strengthen/update exIstiog Our major consumer electronics pro- base, with simultaneous emphasis on its ducts include radios, tape recorders/two-in- , absorption, adaptation and upgradation to ones, and TV receiver sets. Almost an avoid repetitive technology imports. components required for the manufacture of radios, tape recorders and Black & White (d) reduction in duties on components television sets arc being manufactured in so that these become available to the the country : hence the question of import equipment industry at reasonable prices; of kits in any form for the manufacture of as well as reduction in customs duty on these products docs not arise. In regard to , capital goods required for the manufactur~ manufacture of CTV sets, the industrial of componen ts and products. 163 Written Answers MARCH 19, 1986 Written Answers 164

Criteria for Apportioning Financial allocation (ii) We share specific information regar- to varions Ministries ding threats to the lives of our diplomats 3494. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI : Will abroad with the loeal authorities and request the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to for special protection which the host state : government usually provide. In some sensitive Missions where there is continuing threat, (a) what considerations weigh more the host governments have provided their while apportioning financial allocations to own guards on a regular basis. various Ministries by the Planning Commission ; (ili) We have also strengthened various security measures in Missions by providing (b) whether there is any criteria fixed additional security staff and equipment. for such distribution of allocation of The various security measures are cons- funds ; and tantly under review (c) what is the monitoring authority in the Planning Department which looks after Particulars of Wakf Properties Dedicated the equitable distribution of financial to upkeep of Jam i Masjid allocation to various heads ? 3496. SYED SHAHABUDDIN ; Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN state : THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. PANJA) : (a) and (b) Financial (a) the particulars of the Wakf proper- allocations are based on the objectives, ties attached or dedicated to the main- priorities and sectoral thrusts etc. enuncia- tenance and upkeep of the Jama Masjid, ted in a Five Year Plan d cument. These Delhi ; sectoral priorities and thursts in turn are arrived at aftcr detailed discussions and (b) the annual income therefrom during consultation with the Central Ministries. the last three years • Annual Plan allocations are arrived at broadly within the framework of the Five (c) the expenditure incurred by the Year Plan. Delhi Wakf Board on the maintenance and upkeep of the Jama Masjid and the pay- (c) Monitoring of implementation is ment of its staff during this year ; and done by the administrative Ministries concerned. A.s regards equitable distribu- (d) whether there are any other wakf tion, this flows from the Plan allocations, properties dedicated to the Jama Masjid which have been set out in considerable which are under adverse occupation and detail in the Plan document. whose incomc is not available for Jama Masjid ?

Measure to protect Indian Diplomats THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Abroad MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI 3495. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Will G1R1DHAR GOMANGO) : (a) There are the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be seven wakfs consisting of shops and resi- pleased to state : dential units attached or dedicated to Jama Masjid, Delhi, the details of which are as (a) whether Government are contem- follows : plating any spccial measures to protect the Indian diplomats abroad who are facing 1. Property Urdu Bazar Municipal threat of being killed ; and NoS : 4152 to 4174. 2. Chah Rehat, Jama Masjid, Muni- (b) if so, the details thereof ? cipal Nos : 1194 to 1197,1052 to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1054, 1213-1215. MINISTRY’ OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 3. Gali Naqqarchiyan, Turkman Gate (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b) Delhi Municipal No. 3136, (i) The security of our Missions and personnel abroad is basically the responsibility of 4. Ajmeri Gate, Delhi Municipal the host government, Nos : 5228 to 5243, 165 Written Answers PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 166

5. Jahan Numa Qadcem, Jama Masjid, more cities are proposed to be brought Delhi Municipal Nos. 731 to 734. under air quality monitoring net-work.

6. Jahan Numa Jadecd Jama Masjid, ‘iJ. Pak-China Agreement for Joint Inspec- Delhi Municipal Nos. 728 to 7^0 tion of dividing line between China and Pak occupied Kashmir 7. Dal Mandi, Paharganj Municipal No. 4522. ' 3498 PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI SHAKTAWAT : Will the Minister of (b) The Year-wise break up of the in- EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased 10 come realised from these seven wakfs is as state : follows : (a) whether it is a fact that China and 1982-83 Rs. 90,232.87p Pakistan have reached for agreement on a 1983-84 Rs. 75,689.52p plan fot joint inspection of dividing line 1984-85 Rs 65,572 44p between China and Pak occupied Kashmir ; (c) The expenditure incurred by the Delhi (b) if so, the name of dividing line ; Wakf Board during the period from 1.4.85 and it to 28.2.86 is Rs. 36,697.20. The payment to (c) the reaction of Government in this staff has not been made owing to a dispute regard ? between the Imam Saheb of Jama Masjid and the Delhi Wakf Board. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (d) There is no such information. (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) The Xinhua News Agency announced on February Locations of Environmental Pollution 24 that the Notes of the First Session of Measurement Stations the China-Pakistan Joint Boundary Intpeo 3497. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Will tion Commission were exchanged in Beijing the PRIME MINISTER be pleusd to on February 24, 1986. state : (b) The dividing line referred to in (a) the locations of environmental these reports is the boundary between* Pak pollution measurement stat;ons in th; coun- occupied Kashmir and the PRC. try as on 1st January, 1986 ; and (c> The Government of India have (b) the location of additional stations protested to the Governments of the envisaged under the Seventh Five Year PRC and Pakistan. Government of India Plan ? have stated clearly in their protest that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of THE MINISTER OF ST AT 1 IN THE India and China and Pakistan have no MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND locus standi in the matter. FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) h - There are 194 water monitoring stations in R & D Centre of Hindustan Lever at the country located on the following Andhcri, Bombay rivers ; 3499. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA ; Will Indus, Ganges, Brahamputra, Subarnarekha the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Brahmani-Vaitarni, Mahi, Sabarmati, Nar- state : mada, Tapi, Godavari, Krishna. Pennar, (a) whether it is a fact that Hindustan Cauvery, Periyar, and Chaliyar. Lever Limited has obtained substantial concessions on account of its R&D Centre 29 air quality monitoring stations are at Andheri, Bombny ; in operation in 7 cities, namely. Anpara. Haldia, Agra, Delhi, Howrah, Kota and fb) if so, the details of the concessions Surat. granted in this behalf ; ( b) During the Seventh Five Year Plan (c) whether the Company has given any the water quality monitoring statio n are details of the results of the research so far proposed to be increased to 329 and 17 conducted at the said centre ; 167 Written Answers MARCH 19, 1986 Written Answers 168

(d) if so, the particulars thereof ; (b) If so. the total damage caused to (e) whether it is a fact that fruits of Railways in Punjab ; the research go to the parent Company (c) the protection which has been ‘Unilever* for utilisation at units of global provided to the Railway Stations in Punjab company all over the world ; and to avoid such huge damage to the railways (f) if so, the reaction of Government in the State ; thereon ?" (d) whether any persons responsibl THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for the burning of stations have been MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND arrested ; and TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. (e) if so, the action taken against ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND them ? SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The in-house R&D unit of M/s. Hindustan DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- Lever Ltd. at Andheri had been recognised RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) to (e) by the Department of Scientific & Industrial Two incidents of setting Railway Stations Research and as such can avail of the con- on fire by miscreants in Punjab occurred cessions and facilities for such recognised duriug January and February, 1986, result- units. ing in a loss of about Rs. 1100/- to the (b) All recognised research and develop" Railways. Cases have been registered in- ment units could import their full require- connection with these incidents and efforts ment of technical and professional materials, are afoot to apprehend the culprits. raw materials, components spares or other items under Open General Licence. They can Necessary security arrangements have also import prototypes, samples and pilot been made by the State Government for plant items required for their scientific the protection of Railway Stations in the State. research.

(c) Yes Sir. The Company is required to Setting up or more Bird.y Life S incfunries submit’returns to the Department periodically which inter alia include the status of the 3501. SHRI SUBHASH YADAV : Will research programmes undertaken as well as the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to the results of their research. state : (d) The firm has reported that during (a) whether Government have any the last three years they have developed proposals under the consideration to set over 25 products/processes/formula ; filed up more birds life sanctuaries in the or obtained 17 patents in India or abroad ; country ; 14 processes have been commercialised ; the R & D staff has published over 40 papers. (b) if so, the number of sanctuaries which are likely to be set up ; (e) and (f) The Government is aware of the fact that M/s. Hindustan Lever (c) the sites selected for the purpose ; Limited and its parent company M/s. Uni- and lever, on a reciprocal basis, share informa- (d) the funds allocated for the same ? tion relating to the research projects of mutual interest. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Damage caused fft Railways in Punjab MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND during .lanucry, February, 1986 FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) ’3500. SHRI B. V DESAI : Will the Sanctuaries and national parks are establi- Minister of HOME^ AFFAIRS be pleased shed by the concerned states and union to state : territories who are fully empowered under the Wildlife (Protection) Act, 1972 for this (a) whether a number of Railway purpose. The Central Government may Stations were burnt by the agitators in establish a national park or sanctuary Punjab during January and February, 1986 ; when an area is leased or transferred to 169 Question o f Privilege against IPHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Shri $.B. Chavan and Shri Arun Nehru

the Central Government, for which there raise the matter in the House,? I observed. is no proposal at present. “If the name of any Member from this House has been mentioned, I will allow (b) to (d) Question does not arise, him (to make personal explanations)". > On 5th March, S/Shri K.P. Singh Deo, D.P. Jadeja and Arvind Netam were afforded a special opportunity to make personal explanations in the House '‘clarifying their 12.00 hrs. position in the matter. They stated, inter m J u e s t i o n OF PRIVILEGE AGAINST alia, that their names had been mentioned SHRI S B. CHAVAN, THE FORM ER in the charge-sheet neither as accused nor MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND as witnesses. A similar statement was SHRI ARUN NEHRU, MINISTER OF made by Shri Chandulal Chandrakar on STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF 11th March, 1986, INTERNAL SECURITY. On 13th March, 1986 Prof. Madhu [English] Dandavate gave a notice of question of privilege against the Minister of State in MR. SPEAKLR : On 13th February, the Department of Internal Security, Shri 1986, I had received identical notices of Arun Nehru, for allegedly mentioning the question of privilege given by Sarvashri V. names of Sarvashri K P. Singh Deo, D.P. Sobbanadiceswara Rao and S M. Bhattam Jadeja, Arvind Netam and Chandulal against the then Minister of Home Affairs, Chandrakar in the charge-shcet filed against Shri S B. Chavan, for allegedly defaming Rim Swaroop for his alleged espionage some members of Parliament by insinuating activities. Prof. Dandavate contended that that they had some association or links though the names of the said members were with the alleged spy Ram Swaroop, in the associated neither as witnesses nor as charge-shcet filed by the police in the accused in the espionage case, “ the manner Court under the Official Secrets Act. They in which their names were mentioned in had also stated that a wide publicity was the charge-shcet...... has sough} to tarnish given in the Press to the names of Members patriotic image of these members.’* of Parliament mentioned in the charge-sheet as was evident from .the news reports publi- Another honourable member, Shri shed in the Times of India dated 28th Jitendra Prasada, also .viote to me on January, 1986, and other national dailies 31st January, 1986, drawing my attention to of 29th January, 1986. The Members a report appearing in the Statesman dated further pointed out that according to the 29th January 1986 which falsely mentioned impugned news report, “Ram Swaroop his name among those figuring in the mentioned to the police the names of some charge-sheet filed by the Police in the Ram opposition leaders and Members of Parlia- Swaroop case. The report claimed that ment stating that they were 'sympathetic to the charge-sheet had mentioned his name him at one stage or the other*.** It is well as “the Chairman of the Indo-Federal known that in public life Members of Republic of Germany Parliamentary Body.** Parliament come in touch with many people His denial in this regard was published by on various occasions. To say that they the paper in its issue of 1st February, 1986. were ‘sympathetic’ to Ram Swaroop, is, in Shri Jitendra Prasada has again written to members* words “a motivated and mischiev- me on 9th Match, 1986, saying that the ous effort to malign them and to lower the Illustrated Weekly in its issue of 2nd March, dignity of Parliament*’. 1986, had carried an interview with the said Ram Swaroop in which he 1 was quoted Shri M. Raghuma Reddy gave an identi- as saying that he (Shri Jitendra' Prasada) cal noticc on 19th February, 1986. also was a Convenor of the Indo-German I appreciated the strong feelings of the Parliamentary Group. Shritif Jitendra members whose names had figured in news- Prasada has pointed out that it is jmposai» paper reports in connection with the espion- ble for any Member to keep track of all age case and, therefore, when on 25th such news items and to issue contradictions February, 1986, Shri V.S. Rao sought to in respect of each of them. Shri Jitendra 171 Question o f Privilege against MARCH 19, 1986 172 Shri S. B. Chavan and Shri Arun Nehru Prasada has, however, enclosed a copy of fore, every hope that the Press would the letter which he has sent to the Editor function with caution and full sense of of the Illustrated Weekly denying that he responsibility in such matters so that the had ever been Convenor of the said Indo- prestige and dignity of this House and its German Parliamentary Group or that he Members as also of the Press itself are had ever attended any of its meetings. 1 maintained. regret very much that such reports should keep on appearing in the press even after SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE they have been contradicted. I hope the (Bolpur) : What about the author of these press will be more cautious in this respect chargcs ? in future so that the names of Members of MR. SPEAKER : 1 have given every- Parliament are not unnecessarily dragged thing in it. into controversial matters. With these words of caution and in the It is well established that in order to contcxt of the fact that the Members con- constitute a breach of privilege any libel or cerned have already fully clarified their chargc against a member of Parliament position on the floor of the House by way must concern his character or conduct in of personal explanation statements, I feel his capacity as a member of this House and the matter should be treated a? cl sed. must be “based on matters arising in the (Interruption?) actual transaction of the business of the House”. Moreover, 1 understand that the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : only accused persons in the case are Shri We have nothing to do with this matter, Ram Swaroop Sabharwal and Shri Jived Siddiqui and no charges have bee.i laid PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE against any other person. 1 am, therefore, (Rajapur) : 1 hope this tuling does not of the opinion that the mere mention of mean a charge-sheet against the Press. names of members in the charge-sheet does MR. SPEAKER : No ; the Press is a not involve any breach of privilege or part of us. contempt of the House either on the part of the then Minister of Home Affairs or (Interruptions) the Minister of State in the Department of Internal Security. Accordingly, I withhold my consent of the raising of the matter in the H use under rule 222. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bada- I must, however, add what I told the House on Sth March, 1986, and I reiierate gara) : Have you called for any explanation that 1 am one with all the members of the from them ? House in upholding the honour, respect SHRI SURESH KURUP (Kottayam) : and dignity of the House and its members. Sir, I wish to draw your attention to a As public men, Members of Parliament very important matter : Two Kuwaiti have got to meet a large number of people nationals...... either individualy or at public functions. It is obviously impossible for them to MR. SPEAKER : I am looking into check the antecedents of every individual the matter. I have already asked...... I am or organisation that they come into contact looking into the matter, with. To impute motives or malafides to any such ca&ual meeting, without sufficient SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : The proof, is reprehensible. What is still more same thing I want to repeat. It is a very reprehensible is to give publicity to unfoun- serious matter. ded .allegations. In the interest of clean SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY (Nal- public life, it is necessary that such tenden- gonda) ; I have given notice for omitting cies are firmly curbed. As upholders of the names. public causes, the Press are our best ally and we cherish their freedom as much as MR. SPEAKER : Nothing can be said we are zealous of our own rights as Mem- about it. But I have said everything. 1 wan- bers of this august House. I have, there- ted to say about the Members...... PHALGUNA 2 8 ,19U7 (S^AT/1> 174

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I 12.08 hrs. gave a Calling Attention notice regarding the PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE driving out of Nepalese from Meghalaya-.. [English] MR. SPEAKER : I have already got things moving. I will let you know. You Detailed Demands for Grants of the Mini- stry of External Affairs for 1986-87. come to me. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ; We THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL have got it. 1 do not konw whether you AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT) : 1 beg have seen it. to lay on the Table a copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and English MR. SPEAKER : We will see. versions) of the Ministry of External Affairs PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : What for 1986-87. about the Maharashtra Governor ? [Placed in Library, See No. L T—2270186]

MR. SPEAKER : I am considering. Detailed Demands for Grants of the Mini- stry of Petroleum and Natural Gas for PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He 1986-87. will be dismissed otherwise. (Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : What MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND about the Maharashtra Governor ? NATURAL GAS (SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR SINGH) : I beg to lay on the MR. SPEAKER : I have already said it. Table a copy of the Detailed Demands for We shall sec to it. Grants (Hindi and English vcrsious) of the (Interruptions) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas for 1986-87. MR. SPEAKER : What is it now 7 [Placed in Library, See No LT. 2271(86] SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Uluberia) : Review on the working of and Aunual Report The jute industry in West Bengal and Bihar of Rehabilitation Plantations Ltd.. Punalur is facing a crisis, because of synthetic for 1984-85 and statement for delay in laying granules. (Interruptions) these papers. MR. SPEAKER : The Ministry of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Agriculture is coming up for discussion. DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : I beg to lay on the Table. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : It does not concern Agriculture Ministry. (1) A copy each of the following (Interruptions) papers (Hindi and English versions under sub-section (1) of section MR. SPEAKER : We shall see. If you 619A of the Companies Act, 1956. are not satisfied, we shall see. There is no difficulty. 1 am not averse to their interests. (i) Review by the Government on We shall see what best can be done. the working of the Rehabilitation Plantations Limited, Punalur, for SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It the year 1984-85. is a straight demand, Polyester is substitu- (ii) Annual Report of the Rehabili* ted for jute. (interruptions) tation Plantations Limited, Puna- SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond lur, for the year 1984-85 along Harbour) : Whatever we want to raise, you with Audited Accounts and the never allow. ( interruptions) comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. ,u MR. SPEAKER : I will allow one by one. We are taking up one subject after (2) A statement (Hindi and English another. We shall come to that also. Now versions) showing reasons for delay Papers Laid. in laying the papers mentioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library, See No, LT-2272186] 175 Papers Laid MARCH 19, 1986 Announcement r e : Group 176 Photograph Notifications under Customs Act, 1962 and Indian Forest Service (Pay) Amendment Central Excise Rules. 1944 Rules, 1986 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC JANARDHANA POOJARY) ; I beg to lay GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. on the Table. CHIDAMBARAM) : I beg to lay on the (1) A copy each of the following Table a copy of the Indian Forest Service Amendment Rules, 1986 (Hindi and Eng- Notifications (Hindi and English lish versions) published in Notification No. versions) under section 159 of the G.S.R. 204 (E) in Gazette of India dated Customs Act, 1962 : the 14th February, 1986 under sub-section (i) G. S. R. 483 (E) published in (2) of section 3 of the All India Services Gazette of India dated the 7th Act, 1951. March, 1986 together with an [Placed In Library. See No. LT-2275(86\ explanatory memorandum making certain amendment to Notification No. 136/86-Customs dated the 17th February, 1986 so as to explain the scope of the specific duty levy on Caustic Soda in lye form. 12.09 hrs. MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA (ii) G.S.R. 485 (E) published in Gazette of India dated tl.e 7th [Eng\ish\ March, 1986 together with an SECRETARY-GENERAL : Sir, I have explanatory memorandum making to report the following message received certain amendment to Notification from the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha : Nos. 318 Customs dated the 2nd August, 1976 197-Customs dated “In accordance with the provisions of the 1st July, 1983, 86-Customs, 93- sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules of Customs and 136-Customcs dated Procedure and Conduct of Business the 17th February 1986. in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to return herewith the Appropriation (Vote (iii) G.S.R. 486 (E) published in on Account) Bill, 1986. which was Gazette of India the 7th March, passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting 1986 together with an explanatory held on the 13th March, 1986, and memorandum making certain transmitted to the Rajya Sabha for its amendment to Notification No. recommendations and to state that this 118 Customs dated the 17th Feb- House has no recommendations to ruary, 1986. make to the Lok Sabha in regard to [,Placed in Library. See No. LT-2271186] the said 6111."

(2) A copy of Notification No. G.S.R- 489 (E) (Hindi and English ver sions) published in Gazette of India dated the 11th March, 1986 together with an explanatory 12.10 hrs. memorandum making certain ANNOUNCEMENT RE : GROUP amendment to Notification No. PHOTOGRAPH OF MEMBERS 53/86-CE dated the 10th February, 1986 so as to provide for complete [English] exemption from excise duty on MR. SPEAKER : As already i timated strips, wires, sheets plates and through Lok Sabha Bulletins of 6th and foils of gold used in the manufac- 11th instant, a group photograph of Mem- ture of articles of jewellery and bers of Lok Sabha will be taken tomorrow, parts thereof, issued under the the 20th March, 1986 at 10.00 A.M. in Central Excise Rules, 1944. Parliament House between Gate No. 1 and [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2274j86] the Central Hall. <177 P. A . C. PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SA tiA ) 178

) Hon’ble Ministers and Members are 12.|2 hrs. requested kindly to make it convenient to ‘si STATEMENTS UNDER joip the photograph and assemb)e ,at the DIRECTION 115 placo qf the photograph by 9.45(|

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS’ "In the case of the Tamil Nadu cyclone, BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS 1 myself and my officers were on telephone. I was on the telephone and wanted to Fourteenth Report speak to the Chief Minister, but I was told [English] that he was sleeping, at 9 P M. and his P.A said "I am his P.A. You can talk to SHRI M. THAMBC DURA1 (Dharma- me. My Chief Minister cannot be distur- puri) : I beg to present the Fourteenth bed*’. I told the P A. to the Chief Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Minister. This is a question of cyclone and Committee on Private Members* Bills and you must inform the lower formations, and Resolutions. therefore, I want to talk to your Chief Minister'* Then I talked to my officers and asked them to tell the State Government PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE that they should pass on instructions to the Twenty-SiMli and Twenty Seventh Reports Collectors of the concerned districts so that they can take action. So this is the attitude of the Central Government”. [English] SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY (Kurnool): The above statement of the Minister 1 beg to present the following Reports is not correct as he never contacted the (Hindi and English versions) of the Public Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu over phone and Accounts Committee :— his P.A. never replied to him that he was sleeping at 9 P.M. The telephone connec- (i) Twenty-Sixth Report on paragraph tions of our Chief Minister's residence had 62 of the Report of the Comptroller been disconnected from 23.10.85 and and Auditor General of India for restored on 7.1.86. Because of the Cyclone, the year 1981-82, Union Govern- Madras received heavy and torrential rains. ment (Civil) relating to National Since Chief Minister's residence was fully Cooperative Development Corpo- inundated, our Chief Minister was forced ration. to take shelter in Connemara Hotel from 13.11.85 to 18.11.85. At the time of cyclone (ii) Twenty-Seventh Report on action our Chief Minister had taken every precau* taken by Government on Two tionary measures to restore normalcy and the Hundred and Fourteenth Report reliefmeasurcs were taken up on war footing. d of the Committee on Shortfall in The Hon’ble Prime Minister and Union the production of an Equipment Minister for Agriculture have appreciated and Inventories and Works-in- the Chief Minister and his Government for progress in Ordnance Factories. having taken the relief measures Immediately. Statements Under MARCH 19,1986 Direction 1J5 180

In the circumstances, I beg to submit the lower formations, and therefore, I that refernces to the Chief Minister of want to talk to your Chief Minister. Tamil Nadu in the proceedings of Lok Then I talked to my officers and asked Sabha dated 10th March, 1986 may kindly them to tell the State Government that be expunged. they should pass on instructions to the Collectors of the concerned districts, so THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE that they can take action." DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND COOPERATION (SHRI YOGENDRA This was my intention when I was MAKWANA) : Mr Speaker, Sir, during making such statement in the august House. the course of discussion on drought and I certainly feel that my statement has natural calamities under Rule 193 I had wrongly been reported. 1 regret the incon- made the following statement : — venience caused. “On receipt of the forecast of cyclone ( Interruptions) in Andhra Pradesh I myself in d my SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : It is officers were on telephone...... ” most unfair on the part of the Minister, (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI MR. SPEAKER: I do not know; that is (Adilabad) : What is this ? ( Interruptions) what he is saying.

This is absolutely wrong. (Interruptions) SHRI M RAGHUM A REDDY : It is a SHRI M RAGHUMA REDDY false statement, (Nalgonda) : Don’t tell a • (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : I did not ask him to SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA say that. RAO : You must resign. (Interruptions) {Interruptions) SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: You must resign. 12.14 brs. (Interruptions) (ii) In reply to the points made by Shri P. MR. SPEAKER ; Order, order. Kolandaivelu, M. P. Re : Information (Interruptions) given by the Minister of State in the Department of Agriculture and Coope- MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Order ration on 10th March, 1986 during the in the House. discussion m Dr. u^ht and Natural Calamities. {Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : The IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICUL- Minister is telling an untruth. Actually, it TURE AND COOPERATION (SHRI is on record. I have a record of the pro- YOGENDRA MAKWANA) : Mr, Speaker, ceedings with me that ihe Minister did say Sir, during the course of discussion on this about Tamil Nadu cyclone. The whole Drought and Natural Calamities under Rule context was about Tamil Nadu Cyclone. 193 I had made the following statement : {Interruptions) "On receipt of the forecast of cyclone MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Madhav Reddt, in Anhdra Pradesh I myself and my look here, please listen to me. Listen to me officers were on telephone. I was on now. Look here. the telephone and wanted to speak to I have to give a rujing. 1 have allowed lh$ Chief Minister, but I was told that Mr. Kolandaivelu and in the same way I he was sleeping, at 9 P. M. and his can allow you. There i9 no difficulty before A P. said, “ la m his P. A. You can me. It is up to him. talk to me. My Chief Minister cannot be disturbed.'* Obviously I told the (Interruptions) P.A. to the Chief Minister that this MR. SPEAKER : 1 will allow you is a question of cyclone you must inform also.

"Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 181 Sratementi Under PHALGUNA 24, 1907 (SAKA) Direction U S liti

You get if confirmed and then talk to MR. SPEAKER : Put it before the me. House. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY ; Please (Interruptions)** expunge the statement. MR. SPEAKER ; You can counter- SHRI C. MADHAV REDD1 : Please blast. You can make a counter statement. expunge the statement, Sir. I will allow you. MR. SPEAKER : You do not stand in (Interruptions)•• the aisles, Go back to your seats. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : I will allow you under the rules, I would not stop you doing MR. SPEAKER : The word • is unpar* your job. liamentary. It should not form part of the record. (Interruptions)**

SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : You MR. SPEAKER : I will allow you also. must expunge the statement. It is a deli- [Translation] berate* Who has stopped you...... MR. SPEAKER : You cannot say that. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : How can I expunge SHRI C. JANG A REDDY (Hanam- his statement ? konda) : It will be improper for him if the ( interruptions) Chief Minister, whether he belongs to Tamil Nadu (Interruptions)...... jt he is MR. SPEAKER : You can repudiate it. woken up by telephoning at 11 or 12 You can come under 1 IS. I will allow you O'clock at night, then such a thing...... also. I do not mind. I have allowed him. (Interritp ions). . . I will allow you also. That is what I can do MR. SPEAKER : Please give a notice under Rule 1 IS...... SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : It is a • (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : What is a * ? How [English] can I konw ? He said it, I have allowed him. MR. SPEAKER : This all up to him. I (Interruptions) cannot say anything.

MR. SPEAKER : What you say, I will AN HON. MEMBER : I am on a point allow. of order. (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER r I have got no ther- mometer. Mr. Kolandaivelu challenged his MR. SPEAKER : Now, Shri Arun statement and I allowed him. If you chal- Singh. lenge his statement, 1 will allow you also. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : He should 12.18 lire resign. (At this stare Shri C. Madhav Reddi and MR. SPEAKER : Until and unless they some other Hon. Members left the House) go to their seats nothing will go on record. (Interruptions)**

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12.18 hrs. present with those prevailing there 10 years ago, you will find that if the speed at which ELECTION TO COMMITTEE > forests are being denuded continues unaba- Central Advisory Committee for the ted then in the next 10 years the entire National Cadet Corps Bastar will turn into a desert. There are mainly three causes of felling the trees in [English] the forests, which should not be overlook- ed, i.e., (1) the tendency to encroach on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE land ; (2) the land coming under some DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEA- Government project ; and (3) the exploita- RCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHR1 tion of forests by the administration with a ARUN SINGH) : I beg to move : view to earn revenue and the meeting of “ That in pursuance of section 12 (I) of the demand of timber in the market. There the National Cadet C orpi Act, 1°48, is need to remedy all these three causes and the members of this House do proceed these can be remedied if we are determined to elect, in such manner as the Speaker to do so. The requirements of firewood of may direct, two members from among the local people can be met and the themselves to serve as members of the facility available to the farmers can be Central Advisory Committee f>r the sustained through a scheme. In order to National Cadet Corps for a term of one maintain the income of the administration year from the date of election, subject and to meet the market demand of timber, to the other provisions of the said Act wood can be cut from the area submerged and the Rules made thereunder ’* under Bodhghat Hydro Project. The result will be that there will not be any need to MR. SPEAKER : The question is : fell the trees anywhere and the existing “That in pursuance of section 12 (1) of trees will remain wliere they are. These, the National Cadet Corps Act, 1948, trees will help in maintaming the ecological the members of this House do proceed balance. to elcct, in such minner as the Speaker Therefore, in order to solve this pro- may dircct, two members form among blem, I request the Central Government themselves to serve as members of the to direct the State Government that Central Advisory Committee for the in the next five years not a single National Cadet Corps for a term of timber tree should be felled in Bastar one year from the date of election, district and bamboos and other types of subject to ths other provisions of the wood required for different purposes should said Act and the K u 'j s made there- be taken from the area submerged under under.” the Bodhghat Project and should be supplied to the consumer woo d stores of the The motion was adopted. entire district.

12.20 brs. [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 (II) Need to draw up a National programme [Translation] to celebrate the 125th Birth Anniversary of Gurudeb Rabindranath Tagore (i) Need to direct the State Government to stop deforestation in the district of [English] Bastar in Madhya Pndesh and instead SHRI PRIYA RAJAN DAS MUNSI , make arrangen?nts to s ipply wood from Bodhstiat submerged areas to the consu- (Howrah) : Gurudeb Rabindranath Tagore's mer stores or t'.ie district. 125th birth anniversary will be observed in May, 1986. Vishwabharti has already sub- SHRI MANKURAM SODI (Bastar) : mitted a proposal of Rs. 10 lakhs for Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 would like to raise the translation of works of Tagore into Hindi following matter under Rule 377 : and other languages. In Bastar district of Midhya Pradesh if Government should draw up a national we compare the conditions obtaining at programme in this regard in every part of 185 Matters Under Rule 377 PHALGUNA 28, I9r>7 (SAKA) Matters Under Rule 377 186

India and abroad. A Tagore Academy check up both renovation work and the with Post Graduate standard education on garden and take appropriate steps to imp- Indian Culture, Philosophy, music and rove the garden and to expedite the process science should be established in New Delhi of renovation. or a regional centre on Tagore must be set up in south, north, west and east of India * At Bhubneswar a number of temples to introduce Tagore to all sections of the are under the Archaeological Department people. of India. It needs adequate attention of the Archaeological Department. Tagore’s role < n “ National Integration, World Peace and Humanity” based on There is one temple near Satpara in collection of his selected works must be a village Manikapatna in Krishna Prasad regular subjcct in every syllabus of higher Block, Puri Distt. symbolising the legendry education. story that Lord Jagannath while going to Kanchi had taken curd in exchange for his All India Radio’s publication “ Betar rings. This temple is very much known for Jagat” in this regard should further be re- its archaeological significance. I request the introduced with a Tagore special edition. Government of India to take over the Ministries of Human Resources and Infor- temple for its maintenance and protection mation & Broadcasting should jointly draw through its Archaeological Department. up a programme immediately.

Tagore's art and music should find a (iv) Need for an Eastern India Development Council to ensure the balanced development place in Doordarshan in a befitting manner of eastern India, particularly West Bengal during the celebrations. during Seventh Five Year Plan.

(Ill) Maintenance, protection and renovation SHRI ASUTOSH LAW (Dum Dum) : of Konnrk, Bhubaneswar, Puri and other Sir, the development of towns and cities in temples of India’s cultural heritage in Orissa. West Bengal is not quite satisfactory and unfortunately fruits of development are not SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY reaching to the common man although a (Puri) : Konark Temple, Bhubaneswar huge sum of money is spent every year by temple, Puri Temple are being protected the State Government of West Bengal, and maintained by Archaeological Depart- major portion of which flows from Central ment of Government of India They have Government. The planned urban develop- a historical significance and are symbols of ment in West Bengal has become a total Orissa’s enriched cultural heritage. Un- failure due to lack of coordination of three fortunately, in spite of all efforts by the developing agencies, namely, Town & Archaeological Department, Konark Temple Country Planning Department, Local Gove- and its monuments and sculptures are rnment, and Urban Development deteriorating day by day. The develop- Department and Metropolitan Development mental projects around the temple are not Department, that is, CMDA. being taken up extensively. The Government The task of comprehensive development of India should depute some top experts to of towns and cities should be assignd to suggest measures for protection of the temple, monuments and sculptures so that Eastern India Development Council constituted with West Bengal, Bihar, further deterioration is prevented. Orissa, Tripura and Assam. This High- Jagannath Temple’s renovation work is power body has to be set up to reduce going on. In some, parts of the temple the regional disparities of development in plasters are being removed and the original Eastern India and to ensure balanced architectural structure is being brought to growth of towns and cities. There is an open. Government should expedite the urgent need of such development council process of renovation. to examine the development scheme of the State Governments and to cppiove the In Puri temple, the garden of Lord same, in order to expedite the development Jagannath is not being properly maintained. programme in the Seventh Pl?n period to Government should depute and activate its ensure the balanced development of the upervising agency to visit the temple and Eastern India, 187 Matters Under Rule 377 MARCH 19, 1986 Matters Under Rule 377 188

(v) Need to improve the working of St. handicapped girls had earlier requested Thomas Mount -cum-Pallavaram Can- while submitting their application forms to tonment Board, Madras make arrangements for their seating on the ground floor. In spite of their request, the SH RIM IT I VYJAYANTH1MALA BALI Banking Service Recruilment Board did not (Madras South) : Sir, St. Thomas Mount- bother to make any special arrangements cum Pallavaram Cantonment Board in for them. This shows the attitude of the Mad res is under the jurisdiction of Military Authorities towards handicapped applicants. Establishment and it hat to look after the A photo appeared in almost all the news- essential amenities like dr joking water, papers from Bangalore City which shows health, light, road maintenance, etc. Civi- how the handicapped girls were being brou- lians as well as military personnel are resi- ght down from an examination hall situated ding under the jurisdiction of this Canton- on the third floor of the building. ment Board. The working of this Board is very unsatisfactory. It is necessary to take action in the m atter. A subsidy of Rs. 70 lakhs was given to this Board by Central Government for (vli) Need to allocate adequate funds by drinking water purposes but this snbsidy Central Silk Board for improvement of Sericuiture in Anantapur district of was not spent properly. Andhra Pradesh Roads, street lights and drainage system SHRI K RAMACHANDUA REDDY are not maintained properly. In spite of (Hindupur) : Sir, Andhra Pradesh is rhe adequate staff and other facilities provided second largest grower of mulberry in the to this Board for sanitation facility, the country. 80 per cent of the crop work is not attended properly to the satis- grown in Andhra is raised in faction of the public and this may cause Anantapur district alone. It is known that health hazard. this is a chronic drought prone area and Medical facility is also unsatisfactory. the mulberry crop is a boon for this area. There is only one ambulance and that also Cen ral Silk Board has not helped this is not available to the public. Lot of district for the improvement of mulberry malpractices in assessment of taxes are crop. The Central Silk Board lus got reported. enormous funds which are being spent on the development and improvement of The Cantonment workers in collusion mulberry crop It is requestcj iliat the with thr real estate agents are said to be Central Silk Board may allot sufficient funds helping the latter with survey of number of for this district to improve mulberry crop vacant sites belonging to Government and as follows : giving room for purchase of such vacant sites causing loss of revenue to the Central 1. Loan for farmers to deepen the Government. wells or put in well bores. It therefore, request the Government to 2 Subsidy for supply of inputs for look into the matter and improve the rearing cucoons. unsatisfactory condition of St. Thomas 3. Subsidy for construction of rooms Mount-cum-Pallavaram Cantonment Board. for rearing cucoons. 4. Enough funds may be allotted for (vl) Need to look info the seating arrangements made for handicapped candidates appear- supply of quality layings. ing in the Banking Service Recruitment 5. Improvement of the seed area of Board Examination held in Bangalore. layings. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER (Banga- 6. Change of race of laying, lore South): The Banking Service Recruit- 7. Introduction of BIVOLTAIN race ment Board has conducted a competitive of laying in this area and improve- examination on Sunday, the 2nd March, ment of seed area. 1986 at Bangalore City for recruitment to clerical posts in nationalised banks. The 8. Supply of M. S. variety of mulberry examination was also held at Jagadguru to the farmers by the Silk Board Renukacharya College, Bangalore. Two at 50 per cent subsidy. 1£9 Matters Under Rule 377 PHALOUNA 16, 1907 (SAKA) 190

I request that the Central Silk Board 12.31 tars. any be pleased to allot sufficient funds for the above improvement of sericulture. DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (General), 1986-87—Coaid.

Ministry of Petrolc in and Natural Gas

t [English] [l^anslatlon] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The House will now take up discussion and (fill) Need to start new trains from Kanpur voting on Demand No. 76 relating to Bombay. and Delhi and Lucknow to the Ministry of Petroleum and and also incrc isc the reservation quota Natural Gas for which 6 hours have for Kanpur in Rajdbani F x p em been allotted. Hon. Members present in the House whose cut motions to the Demand SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI (Bilhaur) ; for Grant have been circulated may, if they Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to desire to move their cut motions, send slips draw the attention of the Government to to the Table within 15 minutes indicating the following matter under Rule 377 : the serial numbers of the cut motions they would like to move. Those cut motions only will be treated as moved. A list showing the serial numbers of cut motions treated as moved will be put up on the Kanpur metropolis is a prominent indu- Notice Board shortly. In case any Mem- strial and trade centre of north India where ber finds any discrepancy in the list, he t housands of passengers have to face may kindly bring it to the notice of the sc veral difficulties for going to Bombay, Officer at the Table without delay. D elhi and Lucknow by rail. Therefore, one new train each should be started from Motion moved : Kanpur to Bombay and Delhi. It is also “That the respective sums not exceeding necessary to start a fast train for Lucknow the amounts on Revenue Account and in the morning. In 91 and 92 Prayagrrj Capital Account shown in the fourth Express train going to Delhi, extra berths column of the Older Paper be granted should be provided in air-conditioned, first to the President out of the Consoli- class and second sleepers or an additional dated Fund of India to complete the second class coach should be attached from sums necessary to defray the charges Kanpur. The quota cf seats in Rajdhani that will come in course of Express for Delhi and Howrah should be payment during the year ending increased. 31st day of March, 1987 in respect of the heads of Demands entered in the seeond column thereof against Demand No. 76. relating to the M inistry of Petroleum and Natural Gas.*'

Demand for Grant (General) 1986-87 In respect of Ministry of Petro'eum ar.d Natural Gas sobmitted to the vote of Lok Sabha No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Dem- Demand on account voted by the House and for Grant on 13th March, 1986 submitted to the vote of the House 1 2 3 ~ 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS 76. Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas 21,38,000 1,26,30,79,000 1,06,94,000 2,13,22,94,000 191 D G. (GenI.) 1986-81 MARCH 19, 1986 V G. (Gent) 1986-87 192

DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO (Siddi- crude oil and the production of other pet) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, 1 am very petroleum chsmiciU is not that much. thankful to you for giving me this opportunity to speak. 1 rise to op,)os: the Here I would like to mention the Demands for Grants undar the control of yearwiss production of crude oil. In 1982- the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural 83 the production of crudc oil was 21.06 Gas. m illion tonnes, in 1984-85 it was 28.99 million tonnes and in 1985-&6 Sir, in our country we have g->t a it is 29.94 million tonnes. But the demand highly anomalous situation in the field of for crude oil is more. In 1982-83 it was crude oil including petroleum, natural gis 37.26 million tonnes, in 1983-84 it was 38.53 and other related products and hydro-car- million tonnes and in 1984-85 it was 41.39 bons. The Ministry of Petroleum is million tonnes. And there has been a big responsible for exploration, production, shortfall from the beginning. It is ranging import and export of oil, petroleum pro- from 16.2 million tonnes to 12.40 m illion ducts, natural gas, refining, distribution and tonnes from 1982 83 to 1984-85. So, in marketing of petroleum products and admi- order to m.*et the shortfall every year we nistration of petro-chemical industries in are importing the crude oil from other the country. countries. In 1986-87 we are likely to import 15 6 million tonnes of crude oil. In The oil companies like ONGC, Oil 1985 the import was 13.8 million tonnes India Ltd. and others are trailing behind and in 1984 it was 15.9 million tonnes. So, the exploratory work when compared to to avoid this importation from other coun- their counterparts in other countries. In tries, to save foreign exchange, we have to the last 3 years we have spent nearly Rs. improve our production of crude oil in our 1,000 crores on exploration. There has been coun'.ry. a severe shortfall in reaching the targets by some of the Oil companies. F or Oil India Sir, the latest technology for exploration Ltd. the shortfall in crude oil is 90 per cent of oil is not there in our cot ntry. In other There is 69 per cent shortfall for drilling countries some advanced technology like meatrcagc. Presently 53 rigs are in opera- transitional drilling is picctiscd whereas in tion for exploratory work. For the entire India it is not being practised 1 ike this, 7ih Plan, there is a proposal for seismic if you go on importing the cruJj >il fro.n work of about 29,000 line kilometres and other countries, we w.II los* the in ) icy from also to drill 12 wells. But 1 doubt whether our count]y. For that we have to make the Oil Companies will com; up to the some alternative arrang:ment in rjspect of expectations of the public. crude oil. In other countries those people are using 20 per cent ethyl alcohol and Sir, the ONGC has got its headquarters methyl alcohol in vehicles for transportation whereas it is not being used in in Bombay and they arc not in a position our country, and the same issue was raised to monitor all the exploratory work throughout the country. So, I want to make a in both Houses several times. Bat the suggestion in this respect. 1 wish to sug- Ministry of Petroleum has not taken this point into account. Like that, th: liquid gest that ONGC has to b<* split up into 5 parts—one part south-east, one part *ouih- petroleum which is also available from the natural gas also can be substituted for west and one part north side and the petroleum. So, the amount of light spirit, remaicing two parts, north-east and north- that is, petroleum, we get out of either 'west so that continuously they can monitor the exploration of oil throughout the indigenous crude oil or imported crude oil is nearly 10 million tonnes. Out of ihat 10 country. million tonnes, only 4 5 million tonnes of Sir, in our country, the consumption of petroleum is being converted for public use petroleum products is increasing day by day. and 6.5 million tonnes of petroleum is Jn 1983-84 it was 3.4 per cent and in being diverted for making naptha and other 1984-85 it was 7.4 per cent and in 1985-86 fertilisers at a lower cost. So, the high it is 6 5 per cent. Compared to 1983-84, it price of petrol lead to greater demand for is almost doubled now—the demand is diesel among the public. If you keep the almost doubled, but the productiQn 9f prices of petrol at a lower level, there will IS 3 D. G. (Gent.) 1987-87 PHALGUNA 28, m i (SAKA) D. G. (Gen!.) 1986-87 194

be better utilisation of all available petro- do not have sufficient bottling plants with leum products in the country and this would the oil companies. There are various lead to les9er consumption of diesel. Like advantages for starting many bottling plants that, we can avoid import of diesel and we I w^uld request the hon Minister to start can save foreign exchange money which is some more bottling units either from the’ flowing out from our country. Therefore, Government side or from the private sector I do not know the reason why the Petroleum side so that, we can make use of LPG to Ministry has increased the rates of petro- the maximum. leum products two months back. The Liquid Petroleum G a s'o f 14.2 k.g. There has been no sincere effort to contents in a cylinder costs only Rs. 8 per mobilise resources like natural gas. liquid cylinder. But you charge somewhere around Rs 58. The rest of the amount is only for petroleum gas. We have got plenty of filling and transportation. Please see. how natural gas in our country. About Rs. 1.2 crores worth of natural gas is being flared much cheap the Liquid Petroleum Gas is. up every day. This natural gas is not being Therefore, it is absolutely necessary to taken out and properly used. This natural have a separate, single corporation for all gas can b? converted into liquid petroleum LPG operations which alone would ensure speedy development in this vital field. The at low prices This LPG can be substituted in a number of ways where we use petrol existing LPG. dealers and outlets in the and diesel. We have got abundant resources countrv are confined onlv to urban areas. Most of the rural areas have been negle- of liquid netroleum gas in our country. But cted The rural are^s and towns having a there is some inadequacy in bottling the liquid petroleum gas, in distributing the population of 20,000 or 50.000 are still LPG. We have got abundant infrastructure waitng for LPG connection. The existing for empty cylinder making, We have a outlets are also not working up to the number of people who are crying in the mark If you substitute LPG for petrol and market for LPG connection. But we are diesel, in a proper manner, we can save money and energv in both urban and rural not able to collect the natural gas and bottle the natural gas and distribute the areas. We can also save forest wealth. We natural gas to the needy persons. can save other energy also. With these words. I thank you for The natural gas can also be used for giving me this opportunity. transportation in the form of LPG. In other countries, LPG. is being used for SHRI P.C. SETHI (Indore) : Mr. transportation and in automobiles In India Deputy-Speaker. Sir, I am thankful to you the Pallavan Transport Corporation and for giving the floor of the House to me to Thandai Periyer Transport Corporation speak on the Demands for Grants relating people in Madras have already conducted to the Ministry of Petroleum. extensive tests for use of LPG in automobiles and they succeeded. It requires only Sir, this particular subject has assumed transitional kit and the shape or model of great importance in view of the fact that the the engine need not be changed. Simply world prices of crude oil have come down with the transitional kit, we can use LPG sufficiently and secondly because the for vehicles and you can save money in consumption of the petroleum products in crores of rupees. Therefore we can advocate the developed countries has come down in use of LPG in all Transport Corporations. r 1984-85 almost to the level of 1980. It is In this way we can save plenty of diesel f true that ours is a developing country and and petrol. LPG can also be used as fuel ’'therefore, the demand for petroleum in industries, for metal cutting, for " products, whether it is petrol or diesel or furnaces, in place of diesel, and for running r LPG or Naptha etc, is going to be more. generators. LPG can be used in many other r And, therefore, this subject assume very ways. r great importance for us.

But there is some problem with the Last year alone, we imported petroleum bottling of LPG. Ordinarily it takes three products in the vicinity of about Rs. 4500 to five years to set up a bottling plant. We crores. In the Sixth Plan period, the crude D .G {G enl.) 1986-87 MARCH \9,1986 D. G. (Genl.) J986-87 196

[Shri P.C. Sethi] for the next two decades or three decades find whatever remaining part of gas oil production has increased and the oil remains, that has to be carefully used for India, the ONGC and the Ministry of power generation becausc the plants set up Petroleum have to be thanked for this on gas are comparatively cheaper. They can increased production from 10 5 million be set up in a comparatively less period tonnes in 1980-81 to 28.99 million tonnes and, therefore, it would be much useful if in 1984-85. This oil production is likely to we utilise this extra gas for the generation be 29.94 million tonnes in 1985-86 and in of power. Not only a gas power station the 7th Plan period, it is projected to cosfs much less than the coalbascd power increase to 34.53 million tonnes (in 1989-90) station but it is also very efficient and can This is based on the improved recoverable be set up in half the time period as resources of oil. We understand that compared to a coal power based station. ONGC has plans to off-shore drilling in Moreover, we need not worry in this regard Bomby High and there is also discovery of because, according to experts, there will be oil in Gandhar oil fields. But apart from plenty of gas to be found in this country. that, the actual production in 1989-90 could I welcome the initiative of the Government be even higher. ONGC and Oil India seem to set up GAIL in this respect. Apart from to have therefore done well and they need concentrating on the construction of the to be encouraged. HBJ pipeline which 1 feel should be expe- However, with the steep fall in the dited and the Government must make up price of crude oil, the Government needs its mind where it is to be given but it to examine to what extent, the imports should be expedited. This is my earnest appeal. could be stepped up and our crude oil kept in the ground provided, it is economical to do so It is well-known that the deposits in So GAIL should also build up expertise our country are limited and we are in transportation and uiliisation of gas. Un- draining out the oil. We have not been less advanced planning is dons in this regard, able to find new resources and in this we may be repaating the history, in not context, particularly I would like to invite utilising gas for long periods after it has the attention of the Petroleum Minister been discovered. Government may also to the exercise which is going on for consider importing LNG and LPG wherever allotting certain areas for finding out it is very economical than importing oil whether oil could bs available and also for products. With the changing world oil exploration as some attempts have been scenario, all options should be explored. made in the past also. Some companies did come but they have gone back. So, this The demend for petroleum products has particular aspect assumes very great impor- increased from 30.90 million tonnes in 1980-81 tance and we should again start negotiations to 38.63 million tonnes in 1984 85. Consum- with these foreign oil companies and they ption of petroleum products was kept under have to be brought here on international control during the Sixth Plan period terms Unless they are offered international achieving a growth-rate of slightly over 6% terms, no oil company would be able to per annum as compared to the target of 9% succeed and will be able to stay for long per annum. However, the consumption is to do this work and this is very important likely to be 40 million tonnes in 1985-86 a for us. little more than what it has been targeted and according to the Seventh Plan, it is f The gas reserves have increased cxpected to go up to 52.67 million tonnes considerably and are almost equal to that in 1989-90, the remaining year of the of oil. We must make the best use of these Seventh Plan. Our consumption of petro- results because gas cannot be exported. We, leum products is a fraction of what is particularly in India, are not in a position consumed in the developed countries. It is to export it. Government should reconsider therefore bound to increase. What is more keeping gas only for the fertiliser plants important is that we should ensure that and I would recommend that for a period petroleum products are consumed efficiently of 30 years, it should be enough if gas and economically. Petroleum Conservation f reserves are earmarked for fertiliser plants Research Association has been doing a very 197 D. G. (Gent.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28. 1907 {SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 198 good job but much more needs to be done preventing kerosene being mixed up with in this direction. diesel. This mixing also produces a lot of smoke which is hazardous to our health. I strongly feel that Energy Audit should Theerfore, this is another important aspect be introduced in all major oi] consuming on which the Government should concen- units. After Energy Audit, a scheme should trate. While I am saying that it should be be drawn up for producing oil consumption brought at parity, it will be difficult to and the cousumer should be provided with lower the price of diesel. At the same all facilities, technical and financial, to time kerosene is used by the poorest of implement the recommendations. Unless the poor and, therefore, a much higher unit-wise approach is adopted, we are not increase in the price of kerosene would likely to make significant progress and, in also not be possible. Therefore, this is an fact, the oil intensity of the economy may exercise which has to be done by scientific increase. It is better to introduce appro- research in consultation with the experts. priate energy saving measures right now rather than later when considerable Similarly, with improved driving and expansion of our economy would have taken mainterance practices savings of 10 to 15 place. per cent is possible in transport trucks. As in the developed countries we should There has been a considerable increase also look into the other aspects such as body in the consumption of middle distillates i.e. of the truck, improved engine, improved kerosene and diesel. In so far as kerosene battery and improved tyres which, if achi- is concerned, it is used either for cooking eved, could result in substantial savings I or lighting. The use of kerosene can be am aware that some of the countries use coal considerably expanded for cooking provided also for this purpose. We have got a lot we introduce improved kerosene stoves on of coal reserves in our country and whether a mass scale. If necessary, these should this is possible and economical is another be subsidised. As regards use of kerosene pertinent question which the Petroleum for lighting, particularly in the rural areas, Ministry can examine. T do not think it this will continue till we are able to elec- would be asking too much if time-bound trify the households in rurnl areas. But targets are fixed for achieving improve- simultaneously we should mount up ments in this regard. research on improving kerosene lanterns so that the efficiency in the use of kerosene There is a proposal to construct a can be considerably increased. refinery at Karnal and Mangalore. This should be pursued vigorously. With the fall in the price of crude oil I understand In regard to diesel which is mainly that the economics of refining has impro- used in irrigation pump sets and for trans- ved. Simultaneously Government should port, we have over 4 million irrigation take measures f, to implement low cost pump sets in our country and with a small refinery expansion projects. investment, conservation of diesel oil to the extent o f 20 to 30 per cent is possible All over the world considerable achieve- according to experts. Here again there is ments have been made in the efficient one point to be considered. The Petroleum working of the refineries. We should also Ministry has been considering it since long study these practices and run our refineries but they have not succeded. The consump- tas efficiently as possible, particularly from tion of kerosene is increasing much more the energy angle becausc I am aware of the because kerosene is being mixed with diesel. sfact that a lot of money is wasted in the Therefore, the consumption of kerosene is distillates. much more. There was an attempt to ,-jj introduce a colour in kerosene but that 1V00 hrs. attempt has not succeeded. Therefore, something should be done in this regard Therefore, if the working of the refi- and the only point appears possible is that neries is improved, we can make substantial the price of diesel should be brought at progress in this connection. Ours is a vast parity with kerosene which may help in country with low level of petroleum 199 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (GcnL) 1986-87

[Shri P C. Sethi] long experience in administration even as a Chief Minister and also Minister of consumption. A9 mentioned by me, this various departments here. I wish him is bound to increase. It would, therefore, speedy progress in this Department. be necessary to review our marketing practices so that the expanded market can be serviced at minimum cost. 1 would [Translation] specially mention, in this connection about marketing of LPG, a substitute for kerosene SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH (Bombay as a medium for cooking owing to the North) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise vastly improved availability cf gas. 1 to support the demands of the Ministry of understand, the Petroleum Ministry ha9 Petroleum and Natural Gas. While doing plans to step up significantly its enrolment so, I would like to submit to the hon. plan for new consumers. In the next 5 Minister particularly about the arrange- years, it would be possible, I am told, to ments for distribution of LPG. At present enroll as many as two million customers gas is availabie in our country in plenty. every year. These figures have to be Although the installed capacity of the gas checked up. cylinder manufacturing units in our country is more than our requirements yet the wait- LPG being most hazardous product to ing list for gas connections is quite long. be marketed, deserves special attention. We are not able to provide gas connections Keeping in view the enormity of the pro- promptly to the people in the waiting list. blem and also the safety angle, I would There is only one reason for that and that like to suggest that the Government should is that the capacity of our existing bottling now think of setting up as suggested by the plants is far less Than the availability of previous speaker also a separate Corpora- gas and production capacity of gas cylin- tion for marketing of LPG. Should that ders Therefore, if you want that the not be possible, a special division should people in the country may get gas connec- be created in each of the oil companies to tions on demand, then you w«ll have to deal with the marketing of LPG. increase the present bottling plant capacity and set up new boltling plants. If we do Another important point that I should this, we shall be able to rcduce the waiting like to mention here, before I conclude, list to a large extent. is regarding selection of petroleum product dealers, notably LPG dealers. On account So far as LPG distribution system and of faulty terms and conditions and methods marketing is concerncd, the hon. Members of selection, I have come to know that there who spoke before me have rightly said that has been a spurt in btnami dealership. you should constitute a separate corpora- Government would do well to undertake tion for marketing of LPG. Unless you urgently a review of the present system of do this, the lacunae in the present system appointment of dealers. Although now cannot be removed. Our distribuion it is being done by a Committee where a system involves oil companies, distributors judge presides over it, even then to give and consumers and the distributors work LPG dealership to persons, a minimum as a link between the oil companies and investment of Rs. two to three lakhs is the consumers. So far as the distribution necessary, either promised by Government agencies are concerned, a survey abou' the or financial agencies. So. one is bound to present dealers should be conducted. 1 do have benami transaction. Therefore this not want to make allegations against any aspect has (o be looked into. Ministry of one but these agencies have mostly been Finance should be approached so that given to the big people or to their relatives. certain weaker sections of the people have Benamt dealerships are in existence on a to be helped by giving LPG dealership. large scale at present. Shri Sethi has Also, proper financial arrangement for correctly said that if you keep in mind the them should be made available so that investment to be made and the bank inter- benami transactions do not take place. I est on it, then no wise man would like to hope the Petroleum Minister would do well come forward to have dealership but even under the stewardship of hon. Minister then we find that a large number of people Shri Chandra Shekhar Singh who ^ has a are coming forward to obtain dealership 201 D. G. (Gen/.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D.G. (Genl.) 1986-87 202

agencics, For one agency, scores of applica- Therefore, 1 hope that the Petroleum tions are received The reason is that there Min istor will consider this issue. are ‘benami* deallrships and malpractices Along with this, I would like to say are indulged in on a large scale in this something about the increase in the business. administrative prices of the petroleum products and then conclude. You have On the other hand, if you look at the increased the prices of petrol, LPG and commission given lo the dealers you will diesel and to rationale that you have given find that there has been no increase in for it is that by increasing these prices you the commission since 1960, Even then want to reduce the consumption of these scores of applications are received for items. But my submission is that this step dealership. Therefore, to improve the is not going to help in bringing down their situation you will have to bring changes in consumption because the maximum the system and consider about the ‘benami* consumption of petrol and diesel is done dealerships or agencics. by the Government officers’ vehicles. You should look into that. You should see how Now I want to draw your attention many vehicles are plying. If you really towards distribution of kerosene in Maha- want to bring down the consumption of rashtra State. In Bombay City, kerosene is petrol, then you will have to decide that on distributed exclusively through rationing. a certain day— Eailier there us:d to be blackmarketing in [English] its distribution but then we took a decision some time ago that by resorting to equalis- —private cars will not bs on the roads. ation of bulk dealers we shall put ceiling of 250 kilo litres. At that time some [Translation] employees of bulk dealers came and stated On a certain day— that if a ceiling of 250 kilo litres was fixed after resorting to equalisation of bulk [English] dealers, then what would happen to them —certain other vehicles will not be on because our Government and the Ministry the roads. of Petroleum had promised to them that if [Translation] the employees of the bulk de.ilers formed a cooperative society, they would be If you try to do this then only the given kerosene distribution agency out-of- consumption of the petroleum products will turn, without adhering to the fixed norms. come down. Besides, you will have to fix But when those employees after forming a a monthly quota of petrol and diesel for socicty came to you, they were asked to Government departments, corporations and apply after the advertisement appeared in public undertakings and they will have to the papers and told that their case would be asked to consume only that much quan- be considered for the allotment of an tity. Only then there can be a possibility agency as per the norms. of reduction in the cousumption of these products. Now-a-days you can see that the I want to say that— vehicles are being used for the families of the Government officials. If this is stopped, [English] the Government expenditure will also come down and, at the same time, consumption —it was the commitment of the Govern- will also be reduccd. This is what I cxpect. ment, it was the commitment of the Petroleum Ministry to give them dealership Sir, in the end I would like to reiterate as they were losing their jobs after a that LPG marketing system has expanded number of years. very much and keeping this in view you will have to create a separate corporation [Translation] for the purpose. The people who had served for 40 to 50 [English] years with the bulk dealers were losing their jobs and you had promised for such SHRI R.P. DAS (fCrishnagdr) ; Sir, my society but you did not fulfill your promise. good friend Shri P. C. Sethi was a Minister 203 D. a . {Genl.) 1986-81 * MARCH 19, 19*6 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 204

{Shri R.P. Das] knowing that some places are being drilled of the Petroleum Departmsnt some year9 for the last 10 years in West Bengal namely ago. He had much experience about the near Diamond Harbour and Canning, It is uses and abuses of kerosene Therefore, he not surprising that drilling is going on suggested that some sort of parity should there for the last 10 years. Nobody knows be established between the prices of diesel why it has been taking such a long time. and that of kerosene, although he himself Either it should have been abandoned or refuted the same argument by saying that Government should hive told the people something positive. it, could not be done because the prices of all commodities were going up and the diesel 13 17 hrs. prices were also going up. Therefore, this suggestion should not be considered at all. [SHRI ZALNUL BASHER in the Chair] It is not at all a good suggestion. It will During 1980-85 drilling has been done only put the poprer people to mjch nure at Andamans, Cauvery-GoJavari basin, sufferings. Rajasthan, Nagaland and other places but But the other suggestion about having commercial production his not yet been the crude oil imported should be given due ensured from those places Whit are the weight. Because the price of crude oil in reasons for this failure ? Som: more effort the international market is going down. -should be put for exploration of oil in Most probably it has gone down to the those areas. level of ten dollars per barrel or u might Sir, the consumption rate is very high go to that level within a short time. and the consumption of petroleum and Therefore, the suggestion of impjniag petroleum products will also be higher in crude oil may bi again ihoujhi of a the the coming days. The gap between consum- very precious fuel should b~ conserved for ption and indigenous production of crude future use. Some thought saould bz given is such that the very idea of self-sufficiency to this suggetion. in oil will not get fulfilled. Therefore, Yesterday our hon. Minister stated Government has to find out some means so that the import of curde oil has bsen that self-sufficiency in oil is m aintained. eliminated from the import list Therefore, The import of crude oil should b« kept 1 don't know whether the import of curde at a particular level and sec that the rate oil will again be given priority over other of consumption does not go beyond a things. particular level. But, Sir, you know there is a gap bet- Now, I would like to say a word abou t ween the supply and deipand of the petro- refineries. The refining capacity in the leum products. The demand of ihe products country has gone up to 45 million tonnes is about 40 million tonnes and the supply but we have only 30 million tonnes of is not more than 30 million tonnes. So, crude oil indigenously produced, Therefore, there is a gap of 10 million tonnes. Even a large part of refining capacity will remain at the end of the Seventh Five Year Plan unutilised in the country for a long time this gap will remain the same. There is unless ONGC could find oil in different need of bridging the gap between the parts of the country. 1 would like to know demand the supply. There are two courses why 10 percent cut in the Haldia refinery •toft for the Government to bridge this gap, has been ordered. One js to increase the crude import. The Now, Sir, let me deal with a different second is to explore other oil bearing areas problem of Haldia Refinery. There is a for further production of crude in the feeling among the workers that an order country. As far as I understand Govern- regarding ten percent cut in the total ment has allocated nearly Rs. 12,0JO crores production has been issued to the Haldia for exploration. I am in favour of explo- Refinery. I would like to know from the ration of oil both off-shore and on-shore hon’ble Minister whether such an order was but 1 would like to know the exact amount issued and if so, the reasons ? that has been allocated for exploration of oil in different parts of the country includ- I would now like to mention about the ing the North-Eastern and Eastern parts of LPG connections. About one crore connec- the country, Hon’ble Minister may be tions have already bten given to in 205 D. G. (Gent.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 2907 (SAK A) D G . (Genl.) 1966-87 206

different parts of the country, I woud also the States and 1 would also like to know like to give a few figures about that. the recommendations of this one-man- Orissa, Bihar, West Bengal and Assam all committee and whether these recommenda- together have not been given more than tions have been considered by the 1.50 lakh connections during the year 1985- Government ? With these words, I thank 86. But on the other hand, both Gujarat you. and Maharashtra alone have got about 3.5 [Translation] ^ lakh connections during that period. This part of the country, is being neglected In SHRI VIRDH1 CHANDER JAIN this respect. 1 would, therefore, request the (Barmer) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to Minister to see that more LPG connections support the demands for grants of the are allocated for this area ; particularly Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas. Calcutta and the district towns should be It is one of the greatest challenge before us given priority. Calcutta is one of the as to how we can achieve self sufficiency in metropolitan cities and it should have been the matter of petroleum and gas. After given more connections. On the other hand, going through the document of the Seventh Delhi got about sixty to seventy thousand Five Year Plan. I have come to know that connections last year. Greater Calcutta we cannot achieve self-sufficiency in this which comprises of 67 municipalities is field during the Seventh Five Year Plan. longer than Delhi. I would therefore, It is also clear that although ws are increa- impress upon the Government that more sing the production yet we have totally gas connections should be given to these failed in curtailing the consumption of areas. these items. The growth rate of consump- 13 .2 lirs. tion during the Sixth Five Year Plan was 5.3 per cent whereas growth rate of [SH KIM ATI BAS AVAR AJESWARI consumption during the Seventh Five Year in the Choir J ^ Plan would be 6 4 per cent. The most Now, Sir, let me point out further, important question before us is that how that ONGC and OIL do not have any we should control our consumption. We competitors in this country. They enjoy have recently raised the prices of patrol and monopoly in this business and that mono- diesel and the particular plea given for that poly leads them to complacency and which is that our aim is to curtail the consump- is one of the causes of high prices of their tion of these items. If this is the object of end products. Why should not the compa- raising the prices then, though the people nies follow the international oil companies are not satisfied about the prices, yet we in the matter of efficient functioning. Why would try to satisfy them. But the steps or should not they keep in mind the perfor- the measures which the Government are mance of their counterparts elsewhere. taking are not such as would curtail the Therefore, the Minister may kindly look consumption. into this aspect of the problem so that the In this connection I would like to sub- performance of these oil companies may mit that thousands of diesel pumps are improve in the cjming years. being operated for irrigation purposes and Before I couclude, Sir, 1 would like to if stable supply of* electricity is ensured mention that keroserie which has been then the consumption of diesel could be allocated for West Bengal is much less than reduced. Similarly, captive power genera- the requirements of the State. The require- tion units are being operated in which ment of this commodity for the State is diesel is consumed and if stable supply of about one lakh litres per month. To meet electricity is ensured and if industrial units its requirements, more allocation of kero- are operated with electricity, a lot of dieael sene should be made to the State of West could be saved. Bengal. Secondly, as Sethi Saheb has just now Before 1 conclude may 1 ask the hon'ble stated : Minister the fate of one man committee [English] which was set up under the charge of Shri B.C. Mathur to evolve some principles to “Consumption can be kept under be tollowed for allocation of kerosene to control and transport trucks, kerosene jJ 207 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-81 208

[Shri Virdhi Chander Jain] covers the areas of Jaiselmer, Ganga Nagar and Bikaner. In these areas, I have seen lanterns and stoves provide scope for in- that very good work has been done regard- crease in efficiency.*' ing seismic survery in these areas. I have [Translation] myself visited those areas. Now the situation is that I have come to know that their In addition to this, more steps are budget has been curtailed. The drilling required to h i taken to achieve sclf-suffl- work should have been started there at the ciency in the oil sector. Facility of loan earliest but now it has been postponed till is available to the people for purchase of August and September. This work has not scootcrs. This facility of loan should be been started so far. Rigs etc. are required restricted and LDCs, UDCs could be asked for this purpose and the then hon. Minister to use cyclcs. If iho poor people can make had placed orders for them on a com- extensive use of cycles, why should the use pany in the U.S.A., but there has not been pf cycles be not cneoura:*;d then ? At any progress so far in this direction. I fear present our industry is producing a large that those orders might not have been can- numb;! of scooters, In its place our indus- celled, What I mean to say is that when try should produce more cyclcs. Also, s^me Shri Bahuguna was Minister of Petroleum restrictions should be impawd on the all the work relating to thcs; ma;hines was Ministers and oflfiees and a limit for con- stopped and now this work has been resu- sumption of petrol and diesel should be med after 15 years. Recently rich deposits fixed for them. of petroleum have been located at Mari A committee to ch:ck wasteful evpsadi- and Sui in Pakistan and there i* possibility ture has been set up in each State. That of further deposits being located there. Our committee is aUo not d^inj any wurk in Chairman, Shri Wahi has also said that this direction. there is possibility of deposits of 95 million tonnes of gas and Petroleum being found Similarly, we should make efforts to in this area. In the desert areas of Arab curtail the wasteful expenditure of the Stale countries, when such a huge quantity of Governments and the Central Government petroleum is being exploited, if petrol and because there is a lot of misuse of oil. gas is struck in this area then this area I would also like to submit that would make rapid progress. Therefore, there the use of Government vehicles is an urgent need to work with full force in for private purpose by the Government the backward areas in this regard. 1 am servants or Ministers should be considsied fully confident that if you make efforts and crime. This crimc should be treated as a Oil India Ltd. wjrks with full force in com- congnisable and non-bailable offence. If plete co-operation with ONGC, success can a person uses public property for his per- be achieved in this field. ONGC is using sonal ends, it should be considered a very only one drilling machine for the last 4 or serious crime. Then only such a tendency 5 years. There should be at least three or could be checked. four machines so that work could be done Then, I have also seen that the drivers at a faster pace. There is an urgent need to working in the armed forces pilfer petrol expedite the work there. and diesel of their vehicles and sell them to other people. Similarly, drivers in various Thirdly, a large number of petrol pumps Government offices and public undertakings have already been opened in the country. also pilfer diesel and petrol. There is an Therefore, the petrol pumps should now be urgent need to check this evil. If you take opened only where these pumps are abso- such stringent steps, only then you would be lutely necessary. Only then the consump- able to reduce the consumption of petro- tion of petrol and diesel could be reduced. leum products. Oil Selection Board has also been set up Now I would like to draw the attention and as Sethi Saheb was saying proper per- of the hon. Minister towards certain pro- sons are unable to get the agency. As a blems of my area. ONGC and Oil India sum of Rs. 2 lakhs or Rs. 3 lakhs is requi- Ltd. are functioning in the desert areas of red for an agency, benami transactions are Rajasthan. 28,600 sq. km s. of area falls in taking place. Provision has been made for the jurisdiction of Oil India Ltd. which allotment of agencies to the weaker sections, 209 D. G. {Cent.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Gent.) 1986-87 2\0 scheduled castes and unemployed graduates, a prestige issue, This step should be taken but other people take the advantage and keeping in view the sentiments of the benami transactions take place. This matter people. should be enquired into. Such benami With these words, I support the demand transactions should be stopped and such for grants of the Petroleum Ministry. agencies should be done away with. Inspite of the establishment of Selection Board, [English] the evil of bribery is still there and this should also be enquired into. Some people SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DBV take bribe and defame our Government. (Silchar) : I rise to support the Demands This matter is required to be looked into. for Grants for the Petroleum Ministry. Assam produces crude, and there are also refineries which refine crude in three refi- You have released a large number of neries in Assam. LPG connections during the period from 1981-82 lo 1983-84. You will have to For the last few years when prices of increase the number of agencies to release crude oil and petroleum products are going these LPG connections. It is necessary to up, the State of Assam as well as Gujarat release LPG connections in the desert areas have beer, giving several memoranda to the like ours so that the use of wood as fire- Prime Minister and to the Petroleum Mini- wood may be avoided We want the minister to increase the royalty for crude oil. We mum use of wojd for burning. You release were assured when we called on the Prime LPG connections on the basis of twenty Minister and the Petroleum Minister in the thousand population, but for our area you past, that the crude oil royalty would be should muke special arrangements, If you increased in proportion to thj crudj oil make arrangements for our areas, that prices which are prevailing in the national would reduce the felling of trees to the and international market. Hut unfortu- minimum and it would beneficial specially nately till today this has not been done. for the desert areas. Even recently, the present Chief Minister of Assam in a memorandum to the Prime Minister has demanded that the royalty for One thing 1 would like to say about the the crude oil should be increased. The hon. price increase. The increase in prices has Minister is here. I come from a State caused a very bad impact. At first you which is very much economically backward. fixed the prices and later on increased the Our source of income for the government is prices of the petroleum products by an limited. So, crude which is a very vital pro- ordinance. This is causing a serious set- duct for the country’s developmsnt and back to our party. The opposition parties which is needed in the various fields is being arc taking undue advantage of it, Had you produced in Assam. 1 hope our legitimate made such provisions in the budget there demand for the increase of the royalty will would not have been such a sharp reaction be met very soon. and opposition to it. You always adopt In the recent Assam Accord, there was such a method which causes great set-back also an understanding, an understanding of to the future of our party. Therefore, I memorandum that a new refinery will be request you not to resort to such methods set up in Assam. We have been hearing in future to increase the prices. When you that it may be in collaboration with some could save Rs. 1000 crores by purchasing private firm or with some interna- crude, what was the necessity to increase tional firm or it may be in the public the prices ? When the price of crude oil sector undertaking. Whatever might be the is coming down in the international market pattern of this new refinery, 1 urge upon to our advantage, then what was necessity to the Ministry to see that this new refinery increase the prices ? There would have been comes into being in the very near future. no objection had you increased the price of petrol only, But with the increase of diesel The refineries in Assam open good avenue and kerosene oil prices, our transport has for employment of umemployed youths in the become costlier and it is affecting the com* area, But most unfortunately there is a ten- mon man. It would be better if you con- dency in the name of technical knowhow to sider this matter and impress upon the bring people fron outside the State, Well, the Finance Ministry. It should not be made Government of India has 'got a particular jl t D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986D. G. (Gant.) 1986-87 2li

[Shri Sontosh Mohan Dev] Is the Government so lethargic in their attitude, in developing the drilling in cer- norm that under a particular type of job— tain areas like Silchar and Karimganj dis- I ..think below Rs. 1,200/- local youths tricts. I would urge upon the Government will be given preference. Unfortunately, to kindly look into the matter and take defi- this is not being adhered to. In certain nite steps to see that the drilling procedures posts, 1 (irmly believe, if the government are being processed in those districts so really means business , the local yonths can that there is no shortage of crude oil in the be taken as apprentices and can be trained couatry, and it can be distrbuted properly. in the present refinery so that they can This will not only help the Government to suit the ncaJ of the future job requirements. save the foreign exchange but it will also On the pLu that local youths are not avai- help us to create more employment. lable witli the requisite qualifications, sometimes people are brought from outside the The recent price hike has been made in State. This practice should be stopped. order to see that the total consumption of 1 have written to the Pettoleum Minister. the crude oil in the country and also of the He was very kind enough to acknowledge petroleum products which has gone in an and state that he was examining it. Here, I extensive way, is curtailed, to save foreign would like to put one particular instance. exchange on imported crude oil or the fini- There is Notification No. 111/3/85-Rectt. shed products from out of the country. I dated 3 5 S5. by Oil «& Natural Gas Com- fully appreciate the idea of the Govern- mission, Cdclnr Project, Silclur, advertised ment. for three types of jobs. In these three types of jobs, local you.hs—I can name—in Cachar—KamaliirJu B.iattacherjse, Ronobi- H 3w is it that you have raised the joy Dey, Itamal Basu Roy and Krishna Das— petroleum prices in order to stop the misuse they were working for the last 1 1/2 years for of petrol and it is an ind rejt restriction apprenticeship. But before their term is com- on the consumers. BiK, as I feel, per pleted, people from other parts of the country cent of Lhe petroleum consumption is by have been brought and arc absorbed in those Government, s;mi-Government and public undertakings which means by raising these jobs ; and that creates dissatisfaction among the local unemployed youths. I do not want prices 60 per cent of the costs will be incurred by these Govern,nent scmi-Govern- to make complaint against any particular ment and public sector undertakings, that officer or individual there b u t I would urge is from one head of the Government you upon the Government to take special care to are taking sjrne money from one head and see that the guideline- w’lich is given by the central Petroleum Ministry to the respective putting in another head. Your own departments of the Central and State Governments officers is not violated thereby depriving and the public sector undertakings are the loci youths of their employment spending the same money. If you really opportunity. I have also written to the save foreign exchange and if you are really Petroleum and Chemicals Minister saying spending it on petroleum products, you that in Cachar-Kirgim Ganj District for should realise that they are used in the the last 8-10 years drilling operation is Government departments, and public sector being continued. But in reply to my ques- undertakings and various State organis- tion in th? year 1982, it was assured that ations of the country. more rigs would be acquired for Silchar and Karimgaoj districts. Another thing I would Jike to draw But unfortunately, no such rigs has arriv- the attention of the hon. Minister, that ed in spite of the definite assurance of the there is a growing demand from all over Minister given on the floor of Parliament and the country to reconsider the price of when we the M;mb;rs of Parliament relea- kerosene and products of kerosene. This sed those pioturcs published, about the hike in the kerosene prices effected the poor assurance, we bccome a laughing stock people of the country and those who are before the general public. I fail to under- below the poverty line. Some reduction in stand why the country is importing petro- the rate has been made, but that is not leum products when there are possibilties enough. At least for the development of of getting crud« oil in the country itself. the backward areas, this should be done. il3 i>. G. {Genl.) 2986-81 PHaLgUNA 2*. 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 214

As regards the LPG, I might say, that The people have given their verdict to in my area there are hardly three to four them. The economic backwardness was towns where there is a distributor, and as the main issue and the earlier Government, a result it is not reachiug all the consumers which was the Congress Government, was to the extent it is being available in other thrown out of power because it failed to parts of the country. 1 will, therefore meet the demand of the people there. But request the hon. Minister to please see we must be able to prove that whatever that in our area in Silchar mire agents we are saying, we are willing to implement should be given outlets, and some rabre that. Hence, I request the hon. Minister supplies should be given so that more of Petroleum that a study team must go consumers can get the benefit of LPG. from the Petroleum Ministry to make an indepth study about the feasibility of sett- Another thing, I would like to draw ing up petro-chemical basjd industries in the attention of the Minister that, in the that area. speech of Shri P.C. Sethi, it was mentioned, when he was the Minister of Petroleum The other day, one hon. Member from and Chemicals, during a Culling Attention the opposition raised a very important motion that Assam Oil Refineries which has question about the mis-use of gas, which not been taken over by the Government of is blown off in Assam. You are utilising India will be futher rejuvinated. This this gas in other parts of the country. Even partitular oil refinery should immediately be our neighbouring country Bangladesh, is modernised by installing some modern utilising it. This gas, if it is utilised, can machinery. Recently I have seen in papers serve .he purpose of many industries and that the present General Manager of that can also be utilised for domes' jc purposes. refinery has said that some positive steps Our tea industry is sutlering for want of are goint; tu be taken very shortly. 1 do not power. Why is the ic.t indasiry nor given know how far it is c o n c d . But this refineiy, any power from gas ? In certain small which is one of the oldest refineries of the industries it is given. But why is it not world, needs total re-modelling, because the given on a large scale in Assam 7 machinery which is being used there, has outlived its lifetime. At the same time, Bongaigaon rcfi iery was supposed to this being the oldesi refiacry of the world, undertake certain inddstries based on petro- i t was eaten ng to the needs of the country chemical. But unfortunately, till today, for ages. Why should its renovation be nothing has been done. We hear that the delayed 7 When you arc making new parties are not coming forward. When the refineries in other parts of the country, why parties are coming forward and they go to should the mother refinery not be revitalised the Ministry, they run from pillar to past. and renovated 7 It is long overdue. We This Ministry, for some reason or other, is have been agitating for the last several discouraging entrepreneurs to take up new years for this. The people in that part of projects in Assam. W/ien an entrepreneur the country feel that nothing is done unless goes to the Ministry, he should be encoura- they agitate. We always hear from the ged. But this is not being done. This Central Government that for the North- attitude of the Ministry must change. Eastern Region there is no dearth of funds for economic growth or for any other pro- Assam is producing curde oil for ages. ject. But when you go for the re-vitalis- But in relation to that, the petro-based ation of the re finery, setting up of a new industry in Assam has not developed. It has refinery or development of roads or any developed in Gujarat, Maharashatra and other project or starting of new industries, other States. We have been told that be- you get a very shabby treatment from our cause of the non-availability of the Ministries. Only yesterday, we have met infrastructure, this is not possible. I would our Prime Minister and submitted a memo- like to ask : Whose duty is it to develop randum for various developmental projects the infrasrutcture like communication of Barrack Valley including one Central power, etc 7 It it ihe duty of the Assam Go- University. We want to show to the public vernment or the Central Government or the in reality that what the Government says, Transport Ministry ? If you think that raw it does that. A new Government has come materials of various types are available in Id Assam. Youth has taken over there. Assam, then I do agree that to develop this 215 D. G. {Gent.) 1986*7 ' MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Gent.) 1986-87 216

[S'iri Sontosh Mohan Dev] SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER (Bangalore South) : Madam, Chairman, I would like industry, you need power, you need to make a few remarks on the Demands communications, you need labour. We have for Grants of the Ministry of Petroleum got labour, we have got talent, but commu- and Natural Gas. I do agree that there has nications and power and other allied matters been a tremendous progress in the explora- are for the Central Govenment to provide. tion of oil and also in the production of So, 1 request the hon. Minister to look into natural gas in the recent years. I have just these particular matters and see that some now glanced through the Report of the basic thurst is given in the North-Eastern Petroleum Minister, for the year 1985-86. region, especially in Assam, to develop One thing which very much appealed to me petro-ch;mical based industries was that the Petioleum Conservation Rese- arch Association has done a commendable In my constituency, in the Barakbally job. It has saved in terms of foreign area, the officials who are working in ONGC exchange during the Sixth Plan about Rs. drilling, always say that there is enough 400 crores and in the Seventh Plan about possibility of getting crude oil but they are Rs. 650 crores. Though I consider the Petro- unofficially saying that necessary infrastru- leum Ministry as one of the most important cture is not there. They say, if you have to Ministries and though it has made good tranship heavy machinery, you have to progress in the development of petroleum, come via Meghalaya. There is a road from but I fail to understand the reccnt action of Meghalaya, that is. Stiillong-Silchar Road the Government to enhance the adminis- but that road is full of bridges and difficult tered prices of the petroleum products. I curvcs. So, heavy machinery cannot be am glad that the two members of the ruling taken easily by this road. It takes months pirty who spoke just before me, also to tranship anything from other parts of referred to it. The people of India have the country to this area. Therefore, Sir, been taxed to the extent of nearly Rs. 1,000 the bridges have to be strengthened. I crores by the hike in petroleum products. request the Petroleum Ministry to take up It is un-understandable, particularly on the the matter with the concerned sister eve of the Budget Session. As I have said Ministries to eliminate these difficulties. earlier also, this is really an affront on the Parliament particularly at a time when the Before 1 conclude, 1 would like to say international prices of crude oil are that the sensitive issue in our area is declining, there is absolutely no justification unemployment, especially in Baragbally and for the hike in the petroleum products. I in other parts of Assam. 1 have given a also join the other friends of the ruling specific example where the boys have alrea- party who have just now spoken, to dy been working as Apprentices in ONGC demand that the Government should in Cachhar bul even after working there reconsider and bring down the prices. for 12 months, they are not offered the posts. The candidates are brought from 14.00 hrs. other parts of the country or fiom other parts of Assam. If you bring people from It affects the common man. Because of outside, it is not desirable when local talent the increase in the petroleum price, the is p available. If the local talent is not price of every other commodity goes up in avialablc, then you may bring from outside; this country. Korosene oil is used by the I do not mind that. I am not parochial in poor people of the country. The LPG gas that sense. 1 do not say that local people is used by every housewife, particularly in must be taken. Bui if local talent is avail- the urban areas. The increased price has able, why should it bs brought from affected the middle class and lower income outside? Therefore, I request that this group families. I am sure the Minister particular subject should be taken would have realised the difficulties of these note of. people by now. Even in the Budget discussion many Members from both sides of With these words, I support the Bill the House have demanded that oil prices and the Demands for Grants of the should be reduced. I am sure the Minister Ministry of Petr -leum and thank you for would consult the Prime Minister and that giving me time to speak. f he will announce in his reply reduction in 217 D .G ,(G enl.) 1986-87 PH ALO UN A 28, 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 218

price—not just marginally as was done The Govt, of Karnataka has requested recently, but I do hope that he will reduce the Central Government to assure supply of it quite substianialiy. diesel oil for setting up a 120 MW gas turbine/diesel set at Yelhanka. Only yester- Madam, 1 rose to speak today because day, to a question of mine, an answer has of the injustice that is being meted out to been given. 1 read it out. It says the Karnataka Slate even by this Ministry. We ors well aware that during the last M(a) and (b) The Karnataka State Budget Discussion the people of Karna- Electricity Board has proposed to set taka were assured that Mangalore Oil up a 120 MW gas Turbine/Diesel Set at Refinery will be set up soon. But I see Yelhanka. The Petroleum Fuels requi- from one of the pages of the Report of the red for this project has been indicated Ministry that the Government of fndia is to be as follows : actively exploring the possibility of setting LSHS/FO—103,240 tonnes/year up two oil refineries, one in Karnal and another in Mangalore in the joint sector. The HSD—6,664 tonnes/year Government has approved the proposal to (c) The Government of Karnataka has set up a new refinery of 6 million tonne been informed recently that in view of capacity at Karnal at a cost of Rs. 1359 the foreign exchange implications of crores in the joint sector. 1 would like to these products, a commitment for their ask the Minister why no mention is made supply cannot be made." about the Mangalore oil refinery in the Budget proposal of the Ministry. Last year Why *cannot be made1. What does it this was assured. But not a single word is mean 7 It means, you don't want the there in the Budget proposal of the Karnataka Government to set up a plant Ministry or in the Demands for there. If you do not give diesel how can Grants. Karnataka State is thus they set up the power plant there ? The being discriminated against. You know, Government knows fully well that Karna- Madam, what has happened to the taka is passing through a very acute power Steel Plant at Vijayanagar, in your own shortage. So I demand—our hon. Chief constituency. We are being duped and Minister also has written to the hon. Mini- cheated every year. Even in the matter of ster—that the diesel required for the gas Railways Karnataka has got the lowest turbine should be supplied to Karnataka allocation of money. We thought that for setting up of a 120 MW power project. Petroleum Ministry at least would do some If you cannot commit about it, then how justice but it has not been done. 1 am can the plant come up 7 So, I demand stressing this because already an announ- that the Government of India should give cement has been made that this refinery clearance to this because by this you are will be set up in the Joint Sector. The helping the state to set up a gas Turbine Minister very well knows that Karnataka plant. has got all the infrastructure that is needed for the setting up of industries in the I now come to one or two points about public sector, Pandit Nehru saw the which many hon. Members have already facilities available in Karnataka and he said, i.e., with regard to adulteration of ordered the setting up of HMT, 1TI, BEL petrol. I think the hon. Minister must now and BEML there. All are in the public be aware that in almost all cities wherever sector. The labour frue in Karnataka (whe- there is petrol this adulteration exists parti- ther they belong to Congress or Janata or cularly mixing of kerosene and diesel with any other parly) aie dedicated workers ; petrol. Even in my constituency. Bangalore you dc n’t find such people anywhere else in mixing of kerosene on diesel with petrol is ihe countiy That is why public sector going on. This should be stopped. Strin- industries in Karnataka arc doirg veiy well gent punishment including imprisonment and every one is making a profit. So, I must be given to thos? indulging in this urge upon the hen. Minister to make a adulteration. Then, what is the result of favourable s'aiemcnt in this regard while this adulteration 7 The person who has got giving his reply. a car or scooter, his engine will be spoiled 1 have got only 2 or 3 moie points. 4uc to this mixture. This also spoils the 219 D G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19. 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1996-87

[Shri V. S. Krishna jy 6^ almost equal to gold and it is very costly. So kerosene is the only poor man’s energy. environment in the society. Sop 1 urge upon That is why I demand that more and more the Minister to take it seriously. quota should be given to all the States, particularly of the States which are drought affected. About LPG, Madam, every Member has been demanding that his constituency Mr. Sethi has also given very valuable should be given more connections. I know suggestions. the number of LPG domestic users has crossed one crore. It shows the popularity Sir, I am sure that the hon. Minister of the LPG gas. Use of kerosene means it will do justice. So far as Karnataka is con- involves foreign exchange. So, it is very cerned, only two points I have mentioned necessary lhat you should explore the to you. I hope the Minister will help in possibility of producing more and more setting up the gas-turbine plants and Mang- natural gas. Ycu have got more than one alore Refinery which should be started crore of people in the waiting list. So, I along with the Karnal Refinery, It is because request the Minister to see that more and both the piojects have been envisaged simu- more natural gas is produced and supplied. ltaneously. But when one has already been Not only in urban areas, but also in rural cleared, other project should have also been areas gas connections should be provided. cleared, whether it is under the joint sector or public* sect r. The Minister has said Another point which I would like to that it is under the joint sector. Anyhow bring to the notice of the hon. Minister is it does not matter, But you phase see that that every day we have been seeing in the the project is started immediately. newspapers tha1, cylinders burst. You should Mr. Chairman, Sir, with ihese words educate the people, particularly the house- and with the confidence that the hon. Minis- wives, on the use of gas. Recently one ter will favourably respond to my requests, building collapscd in Delhi aficr ihe burst I conclude my specch. of the cylinder. So, you should give proper education to the people on the use of gas [Translation) in cylinders, (Interruptions). •SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM (Arak- With regard to kerosene I find that the konam) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, while suppor- supply of kerosene has not been unifrom ting the Demands for Gran'.s of the or there is no rationale behind the allot- Ministry of Petroleum for the year 1986-87, ment of kerosene to various States. Very I wish to make a few suggestions for the recently the Bangalore city was passing hon. Minister of Petroleum. through a very sever4: kerosene crisis, peo- Sir, it is no exaggeration to say that the ple are standing in long queues to get a activities of this ministry contribute to the bottle of kerosene. I know the Mathur industrial development and economic growth Committee has been appointed to look into of the nation. The fuel is being supplied in it, but 1 would request the hon. Minister the form of cooking gas and kerosenr to the to see that sufficient quota is given to all middle class sections of our society and to the States, particularly such of the States as the rural people. In order to ensure that the are affected by the drought or famine. Karna- forests and trees, which are national assets, taka is a drought affected area. So, to such are not destroyed by the rural people for States you should allot more quota because fuel purposes, this Ministry ensures the kerosene is the only fuel on which the peo- supply of kerosene throughout the country . ple depend. The people of our country are fully aware of the activities of this Ministry. A major 14.09 hrs. i portion of foreign exchange is spent in the import of crude oil by this Ministry. When [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chair] the administered prices of petroleum pro- Nowadays even in ihc rural areas you ducts weie hiked up recently by the Minis- don't get fuel and in uiban areas fuel is try, the people from all nooks and corners

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of the country expressed their dissatisfac- for their fuel needs. We call ourselves as tion. Even the better-off of our Minister of the Government of the people. Under no Finance took him to task in a Television circumstances th: price of kerosene should interview for having increased the price of be increased. The rcccnt hike in the price gas. The Government in true democratic of kerosene should a!so be brought down. sense responded to the people by reducing to some extent the price of petrcleum pro- Sir, the former Minister of Petroleum ducts Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma had announced that commercial exploitation of the oil in Sir, the cooking gas is a bye-product Narimanam in Thanjavur District of Tamil and there is no cost of production for Nadu would soon start. Besides this, the cooking gas. The oil companies take as Russian oil experts have confirmed beyond deposit a sum of Rs. 500 from each con- any doubt that Cauvery Basin is floating sumer of LPG. A sum of Rs. 1000 crores in oil. The oil exploration in Cauvery Basin is lying in deposit with the oil companies should be intensified. Similarly, the ONGC from 2 crorcs of consumers of LPG. The experts have also announced substantial interest accrual on this massive money is oil-find in Palk Straits. There also we not passed on to the consumer; all that is should undertake oil exploration in Palk appropriated by the oil companies. When Straits also. In Madras we have the Madras this is so, there is no plausible reason for Oil Refineries. I demand that a petro- raising freguently the price of LPG. This chemical industry should be started creates dissatisfaction among the people. adjacent to Madras Oil Refineries. This should be avoided. In the international oil market the price During the Question hour yesterday of crude oil has declined by IS dollars a barrel. We are importing crude oil even our Minister of Petroleum admitted that now at the old rates because of our contra- there is black marketing in LPG distribu- ctual obligations. I know that the hon. tion The LPG dealers insist that unless the Minister will advance arguments against hot plate is purchased along with the spot purchase of crude oil By resorting to cylinder the consumer will not get the gas spot purchase of crude oil, wc will be able connection. They make unreasonable profits to save at least 40% of our foreign on hot-plates. I demand that deterrent exchange in the import of crude oil. This punishment should be given to the LPG is accepted by the oil experts of the dealers indulging in such malpractices. country. There will also be no need for Here I would refer to another important increasing the price of petroleum products. issue also.

The oil companies should come forward I would refer to another point here, to give LPG dealership to the freedom besides requesting the hon. Minister to explore the possibility of spot purchase of fighters and their wards. J demand that at crude oil to meet our grou ing requirements. least 20% of total dealership of LPG should be reserved for freedom fighters and Sir, we arc taking on hire the oil rigs for our their wards. I am myself a freedom fighter exploration work. The hire charges are and I have actively participated in freedom really exoibitant. I understand that a sum of Rs. 3600, i. e. 300 dollars are paid as struggle. I have undergone incarceration for hire charges per day. You can imagine the two years along with our present Vice- President of India. I appeal to the hon. foreign exchange drain involved in this. Minister of Petroleum to whom I have Two days back I came across a news item that the ONGC is going to buy helicopters writlcn a personal letter in this regard, from a British company and a contract has besides a personal letter to our hon. Prime Minister also, that he should order the been signed between the Helicopter Cor- reservation of 20% LPG dealership to the poration of India and that British company. Instead of going in for Helicopters, if freedom fighters and their wards. ONGC buys outright the oil rigs we will |>e Sir, 1 cannot acccpt the increase in the able to save several hundreds of crores of price of kerosene. It is (he common man*a rupees In foreign exchange. You will agree fuel. The common people will be compelled with me that priority should be given to to fell down trees and destroy the fprests Oil rigs, rather than for helicopters. I 22* D G. (Genl) 1986-87 MARCH 19. 1986* D G. (GenK) 1986-87 224

[Shri R. Jcevarathinam] But more efforts are needed because there are so many potential fields where even the demand that the hon. Minister should look survey which could have been done properly Into this suggestion and do the needful to is yet to be done. In very many areas of purchase oil rigs. the country seismic survey has been done, but, in my humble submission, that survey Before I conclude. I would like to has not been done as accurately as it should point out that the agriculturists owning have been done. Ultimately what is petro- pumpsets and the fishermen owning small leum ? It is the product from the fossils power-driven vessels are affected by the which are lying undergrourd millions of increase in the price of diesel oil. I suggest years ago. It is a fossil formation. We know that diesel oil should be supplied at a that sometimes there may be sea in some subsidised rate to the agriculturists owning parts of the land. Particularly, I mention pumpsets and the fishermen having small the Rann of Kutch. T think one or two power-driven boats. wells were dug in the Rann of Kutch or in some parts of Kutch, In mv district of Banaskantha also it is stated that many If the Government is keen to curb the years ago there waR sea. Tf proper survey is consumption of petroleum products, T made, I am confident that some positive would like to suggest that a quota of petrol results would have emerged. and diesel should be fixed for the Central Government, for the Central Public Sector As far as the exploration of the undertakings, for the State Governments Bombay High is concerned, we know that and for the State Government undertakings. it is being followed on a scientific basis. At The Petroleum Ministry should set an the same time we cannot exploit all the example first for others to emulate if con- wells. That potentiality is there. Anyway sumption of petrol is to be reduced towards the south of the present oil field substantially. With these words T conclude in Bombay High more efforts are needed my speech. and more wells need to be drilled. It is criticised by the Opposition that when f English] the prices in the international m rket are going down, we are increasing the prices, SHRI B K. GADHVI (Banaskantha) : of our petroleum products. It may be Mr. Chairman, we are discussing one of because of valid reason. the very important sources of energy and, therefore, when we consider the demands Ours is a two-pronged attack on petro- for this Petroleum Ministry, we will have leum. One is more production and second to examine the demands and also the policy is consumption. On two fronts we are not only from the point of view of the fighting. But so far as the production side coming year but we will also have to take is concerncd apart from the explora- into account the importance of this source tion and refinement by establishing of energy in the human and national various refineries at various places development. As the report goes, it has of the country, the products them- been predicted that within two decades selves need to be made in such a way that perhaps this fossil mineral oil would not chances of adulteration are less. 1 would be available to the world and, therefore, like to ask the hon. Minister one question. the entire world is brooding over the When we think in terms of advanced tech- problem as to how we can develop the nology and research, are we not in a renewable source of energy. The non- position to make a colour kerosene. A lot conventional source of energy, petroleum, of adulteration goes on with kerosene, is a very important source of energy. We When the question of price hike in kerosene are fortunate that in our country parti- comes, it is said that it hits the poor man. cularly after Assam, in Ankleswar, in But, at the same time, kerosene is also Cambay, in Bombay High we struck good being used for adulteration to a large oil. I am very happy to note that thrust is extent. The petrol is adulterated. Some- being given for more exploration and times even the diesel is adulterated. And exploitation of this mineral oil. But still what are the consequences ? It there may be resource constraint—I admit- effects the vehicles. It affects the 225 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 PHA1.GUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D G (Genl.) 1986-87 226 efficiehcy of the vehicles, the consumption Once upon a time, the Americans surveyed of petrol, the consumption of fuel. In that Indian shores—on-shore and off-shore—and case, if we look to this aspect from the they grive a report that there is n© petrol angle of the national loss or from the angle available. Thereafter the Russians came of cost benefit ratio, then this*adulteration and they said petrol is available. We put causes a very great loss to all of us. in efforts and found that petrol was avaU Therefore, the time has come when the lable. You can take the history. You have Ministry should seriously find out a way given contracts in the past to the persons where one product cannot be adulterated of the Western countries. In half-way, they with another and suitable colourisation or have thrown away the contracts and went something of that sort is done. out by putting in over billions of dollar*. Now, from the same fields, we are getting ? . petrol also. My point is that our own resea- I am surprised that our efforift with rch and development is a must because the regard to non-conventional sources of diverse interests have also given diverg) energy and renewable sources of energy are reports about the availability and potenti- very much less. Let us take gas. Apart alities of these petroleum products. There- from petrol, that is also an energy. I am fore, our objective is to look into this putting this question only because here is aspect. We should have our own decisions a Ministry, the Petroleum Ministry where in future, which will have a great bearing there could be developed a Research and on these aspects. Development Wing which may take into consideration not only research on petroleum products but also other products But apart from this exploration, I would which could be substituted for petrol, diesel like to ask you, have we been able to and kerosene. achieve the desired quantity of by-producta of petrol ? Still a lot of things need to be I would submit that we always try to done because by-products of petrol are also import the technology from abroad for very equally important and not only from drilling—it may be onshore or offshore. We the point of view of development of small are developing our own technology, no scale industries and other industries, but doubt about it. But we accept the world also from the point of view of standards and methods. We say we cannot generating employment avenues. The more expl oit oil from a particular well to the by-products, we produce, it is very good. extent of 100 per cent. The world figure says But how many naptha crackers have we got it can be exploited to the extent of 60 per in the country 7 We have got land falls cent. Sometimes they say that it can be also from where we get gas, and many exploited to the extent of 40 per cent by the other commodities to help the fertilizer water injection system, by the French industry. But what is the position of our System and so many other systems. Bui Gas ? Are we in a position to utilise the on this front also, I think, we should have entire gas produced in this country which our own independent research machinery comes out from the wells and other sources? because we have seen Bombay High where If we cannot, then can we afford fritter tremendous efforts are being put in by these away our national wealth ? How much gas people who are on the high seas, exposed we are flaring up because we are not in a to all health hazards ; away from their position to tap it. Everyday all the hon. families and deserve our congratulations. Members say that there is an increased Whether they are big or small, to a large demand in the LPG Gas, we do not pro- extent, they have brought out this country vide LPG cylinders to the people who are from the woods. Presently those people living in the villages. They still use the who are working—whether they are small or conventional fuels of dung, wood and the big, whether they are Defence Forces—their fire-logs. With a view to stop deforestation, contribution in petroleum production is and with a veiw to preserve this great also note-worthy. In that case—India being organic manure in the villages, alternate auch a vast country, and the potentialities fuel will have to be provided to them. But being great—I would urge that more efforts we are not in a position to give them gas must be put in because of the history of cylinders also. On the other hand, what is this petroleum exploration is very curious, our policy on jt ? We give licences. 227 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Gen 1.) 1986*81 228

[Shri B.K. Gadhvi] . people have been employed at these places^ It is your own direction that local people tff Intents. Formally it was felt that we arc should be employed in Class III and Class not in a position to manufacture gas IV posts. But this is not being followed by cylinders up to the standards then, we your own Department. There is a lot of givev 9 letters of intent to various resentment among the people that even for ptoons and to various entrepreneurs Class III and Class IV posts the looal people for manufacturing the gas cylinders are not employed and people are brought but still we import from abroad and those from outside. This leads to dissatisfaction factories are not given orders. This should and so many other repercussions. be looked into. Those small scale people, the poor ^people, have invested lakhs of rupees r\ they have borrowed money from So ®tras royalty is concerned, Gujarat banks ; their factories are closed because and Afsam have been demanding royalty. there is no market for them. For gas Gujart has been demanding since very long. cylinders, what could be the market ? The You are increasing the prices at the well- only market is the Oil Corporation, and head level. Why is it that this royalty that source is closed to them. It has not grant to Gujarat is not being cleared for expanded. rI hope the Minister will look such a long time 7 For development our Into this because we have to encourage share is there and we must get it. Every those people also. Ultimately we have to day we are told that it is on the verge of be self-sufficient in this. They are not do- being cleared, it is being cleared, it is almost ing it for whatever may be the reasons ; cleared and so on. But nothing has happe- I know the reasons, but I do not want to ned. I would, therefore, urge that, so far spell them oiit. I would urge on the hon. as royalty to Gujarat is concerned the pro- Minister to examine this aspect. blem should be clcared ; I would demand that the royalty should be at least 20 per cent. The royalty they are giving is on Another aspect is this. I have seen the such an artificial price that they do not 'conditions of the people working in take into consideration the real price they Bombay High. I have seen the conditions of are getting for oil. I would say that it the people who are working in on-shore and should be at least in consonance with the off-shore drilling wells. It is a very hazar- market price or selling price of this. dous job they are doing. Recently there was a fire in Kadi Ojlfield. Perhaps, in a I would submit that particularly in the natural way - I do not know- all of a sudden western parts of the country, in Rajasthan the fire got extinguished- The reports were and Gujarat we have got a little strata that perhaps it might last for a longer time, from Pakistan side at the same level as but fortunately it did not. I As* was saying, Sui fields and others. Near Barmer and the people who are working there are doing Jaiselmer we can do something more. Be- a hazardous job. And what is the insur- cause they are the deseart areas, the ameni- ance cover given to them ? To the pilots ties are less, the facilities are less. There are who fly aeroplanes insurance coverage is sometimes drinking water problems. There- done in a big way.; so is the case for the fore, your teams of survey and exploration cabin crew. But to these people who are do not prefer to stay there for a longer working in the oilfields, what is the insur- time, so that results could be achieved. ance cover that you are giving ? Do you think that it is adequate ? 1 would suggest Therefore, I would urge that the wes- that the insurance cover, this social security tern Rajasthan should be explored and the measure for their families, must be enhan- northern Gujarat areas where you have ced and if need be, you must pay the found beautiful oil fields in Mehsana and premium for them. Kalol should be explored. They are the finest oil fields. In north Gujarat areas Another ppint I want to make is con- also brodering Pakistan, Vav, Tharad and cerning my State. So far as Class III and Sanchor and other taluks, and tehsils, a Class IV employees arc concerned, in little more efforts have to be pu in. 4 ONGC and other places, the local people should be employed. Would the hon Minis- You have to talk to the State Govern- ter give me figures ms to hbtf many local ment. Sometimes we are drilling wells. 229 Dt G. (Gent.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Gent.) 1986-87 230

After drilling we don't find oil. Many times and refine more than what all the refineries from these wells only water could be explo- in Assam are allowed to refine. There is red. Wherever such wells fail for oil then Koyali refinery with 7.5 million tonnes you don*t take out the pipes. The pipes are capacity. There is Mathura refinery with always there, they are not extracted back. 6 million tonnes capacity. There are five Such wells should be handed over for the or six refineries outside Assam which pro- purpose of drinking water, Substitution duce more than the total refining capacity and better utilisation should be done. The of all the refineries in Assam. This is a Ministry, in consultation with the State cruel proposition. This would not have Government should examine this point and happened in any other State except Assam. if it is possible they should find out some In the Ministry's report we find no plan solution, so that whatever investment you to modernise and expand the Digbhoi refi- have made, whatever expenditure you have nery which is the first refinery of India. incurred could be utilised for a better pur- Gauhati is proposed to be modernised by pose, if not for the purpose for which the setting apart Rs. 8.7 crores. We thank the wells were dug. Minister fof that but what harm has this refinery at Digbhoi committed that nothing With these words I support the demand of this Ministry. whatsoever has been planned to expand and modernise it. D jn't we require in the SHRI PARAG CHALIHA (Jorhat) : country's interest to avail of 85 years of Mr. Chairman Sir, I thank you for giving expertise in oil refining and marketing and me this opportunity. I come from an oil other ancillajy industries ? There is a field area, Assam, where out of the total proposed under-current going on to even crude oil production of about 29 million cut across what now remains at Assam Oil tonnes following Bombay off-shore, it pro- Division in the Indian Oil Corporation. We duces about 5 and odd million tonnes. very much resent this proposal by which the We have the reputation of haying the Assam Oil Company division is to be totally first oil refinery on which a Member on the submerged with the big IOC. In all our other side also spoke. Assam produced in planning, socio-economic aspcct has to be borne in mind. Therefore, we very fervently 1984-85 4.893 million tonnes of crude oil in comparison to Gujarat's 3.9 million tonnes hope that the Petroleum Ministry will cer- and 2.0S0 billion standard cubic metre of gas tainly not take into account any plan which in comparison to 0.775 billion standard will go to jeopardise the identity, tradition and expertise of the AOC refinery at cubic metre of gas. Digbhoi. When this comparison is made, I am very sorry to state that things are still wide Sir, there are about eight to ten resea- apart in so far as development and utilisa- rch centres for research on petroleum, tion of the resources are concerned between natural gas and oil products in the whole these two States. of the country. You will be surprised to I come from Sibsagar where the ONGCkonw that there has not been a single resear- has its Eastern Regional Headquarters. The rch centre—not even a sub-centre -in the whole of the North Eastern region which Petroleum Ministry's annual report for this year is presented in a very attractive produces a good quantity of petroleum pro- way which certain good aspects — ducts. I feel that the Ministry should do something to establish a petroleum and gas there is no doubt about it—because beginning with just 0 03 million tonnes, research institute somewhere in the North Eastern region and more particularly in ONGC is now producing 2 5 million tonnes and the target at the end of the 7th Plan Assam. would be about 4 million tonnes. Now, of this total production of oil. Assam is des- Now a word about recruitment. In the tined to get three refineries in number, ONGC’s account of activities in the Eastern which, however, has been allowed to refine region it was shown that having by 80 per only 2 12 million tonnes. That means the cent of local employees has ii contributed to bulk of the oil that we produce is refined the regional development. It is a very good by refineries situited outside this State. reading no doubt but as has been p minted There are *evcn refineries which produce out earlier I give certain figures whi^fe 231 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-81 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 232

[Shri Parag Chaliha] We demand that recruitment to Class speak for themselves. In the Eastern region III and Class IV personnel by interviews of ONGC the number of Class I officers is held locally by Regional Selection Board be 1843 of which only 227 are locals. In Class ensured. The advertisement for such posts II the number is 805 and the locals arc 597. should be given in all the local papers of It is not a bad ratio. In Class III the figure the State or region. We also demand that is 6536 out of which 5503 are shown - as recruitment to Class I and Class II services, locals. In Class II, 2206 is the barring technical and specialised posts, total' figure and out of that 2031 are the should be reserved for people belonging to local people. the particular area at least to the extent of forty per cent. I would also like to mention that there are many people, in hundreds, who belong About royalty much has been said. to other places, places somewhere outside This royalty of Rs. 41 per metric tonne the State, but somehow they manage to get was raised to Rs. 61 per metric tonne when their names entered in the local exchanges. the price of crude was only Rs. 305.40 per They are also taken and shown as local metric tonne. A revision was due in 1984. people having employment in the ONGC. Now the crude oil has risen from Rs. 305 Then, there is a very interesting aspect. to Rs. 1382 per metric tonne, 400 per cent In class I cadre, the sanctioned strength in rise, but the royalty is still the same ; Rs. the eastern zone was 1281 and as against 61 per metric tonne for both Assam and this unmber, 1893 officers were working, Gujarat. Why are these two States being which means an excess of 612. Why ? Same deprived of a very valid, genuine and justi- is the case in respect of Class II officers. fiable source of revenue ?, The Minister Whereas the total sanctioned strength was of Petroleum may kindly look into it and 625, at the moment there exist 757 class II help us. officers ; an excess of 132. Why is it so ? Now, about gas. ONGC and Oil India In Class III and Class IV, the position is have been producin g associated gas for the reverse. In Class U, the total sanctioned last two decades, In fact, Oil India flares strength was 6689, whereas the num b;r of up gas upto 30 per cent. Whereas the those employed is 6522, a shortfall of 167. ONGC flares up more than 80 per cent. Same is the case in Class IV. While the But the flaring up percentage in Oil India total sanctioned strength was 2536, the is just 30 per cent. W hy is it so ? And mnmber of persons actually employed is both ONGC and Oil India flare up about 2218, a shortfall of 318 Why. 800 million standard cubic metres of gas per year, which is more than the total gas I stand here with all sense of responsi- produced in G ujarat, which is 755 million bility and I say that even drivers and standard cubic metres. It means that we orderlies in my area, ONGC Shivsagar, are burning 2 million standard cubic metres have been taken from outside the State. of gas daily in the oil fields of Assam, Why this discrimination ? which is equivalent to losing or burning Rs. 40 lakhs daily, Rs. 12 crores monthly and We have b;en given to understand that as high a figure as Rs. 144 crores annually. recruitment of Class III and Class IV All this money is burnt out. personnel through local agcncies has been stalled since Mid 1985 by the local Com- In 1982, the Government of India ’mission people. Howeveri the other day constituted a Gas Task Force for laying the hon. Minister in a written reply to my 1700 KM of gas pipeline at a cost of Rs. query told me that recruitment through 1750 crores to provide for six giant ferti- the local agencics has not been stopped. lizer factories in Madhya Pradesh, Raja9than I have written to the hon. Minister of and Uttar Pradesh. We welcome this and Petroleum also to look into this matter and we are very glad that this big projectr is see that we are not treated like this by the taken up. But no plan whatsoever exists local officers. This has caused a great for utilising the huge amount of gas in the resentment and I am sure, the Petroleum Assam region. We therefore, demand that Minister will very kindly look into this and the Gas Authority of India should have favour me with his observations. plans for utilising the gas that is beiop 233 D. G. (GenI.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28§ I9O7 (SAKA) D. C. (Genl.) 1986-81 2U

burnt in Assam area because an integrated The erstwhile Minister and the connois- gas project for Eastern Region is under seur of the ONGC, Shir K.D. Malaviya contemplation as is evident from the report spoke as early as in 1956 that the face of of the Ministry of Petroleum. Sibsagar would change and that it would become an oil town. Almost 21 years are We are also told that the ONGC is over and nothing has been done to improve planning a gas-based industry in Farakka. Sibsagar. We know Sir, the present Petro- We wonder what harm the people of Assam leum Minister has got vast experience and have committed. Huge amounts of gas particularly the Chief Minister of Bihar, are being'burnt in Assam and a part of it which is also a backward Slate. And we is being taken to outside Assam, leaving have every reason to believe that the nothing whatsoever to be taken up as a present Petroleum Minister will look into project in Assam to utilise the gas that is the state of afTaiis in Assam where we have being burnt there. We, therefore, demand very rich potentiality, but we are very that some plan to utilise the gas that is poor, Therefore, we invite the hon. being burnt in Assam, should be taken up Minister to visit Shivsagar because one immediately. visit was already cancelled, I do not know for what reason and why. Therefore, he 1 would like to draw your attention to should go over there and see the things for another factor. Only the other day, the hknsclf, how backward they are how still Minister gave us to understand that only they are deprived and how still they are 10.000 cubic metres of gas is to be sent to denied the oil bearing areas of Assam. the Fertilizer Corporation of India in Namrup, ASB and some other tea gardens. MR. CHAIRMAN : The following cut It is really funny. The House would motions given notice of by Sarvashri K. perhaps be surprised to know that the Ramachandra Reddy and Parag Chalia are ONGC’s colony in Sibsagar where some treated as moved : 5.000 people reside, has not been able to By whome moved Cut motion Nos, get a gasline, although the projcct was proposed to be undertaken six or seven Shri K. Ramachandra 1 to 18 years back. We do not have any gasline Reddy in Sibsagar, although Digboi and Duliajan Shri/Parag Chalia 25 to 36 people have some facilities. Therefore. 1 demand that immediate steps should be SH^I K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY taken to provide gas for domestic purposes (Hindupur) : I beg to move : by laying the gasline in Sibsagar, Dibrugarh, “That the demand under the bead Jorhat and other oil bearing areas Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100." A petro-chemical complex has already started in Gujarat. We are very glad to [Need to locate the headquarters of know that. But why not in Assam 7 We ONGC in Andhra Pradesh instead of demand that something should be done to Madras.] (1) start a petro.chemical complex in Assam also. (Interruptions) “That the demand under the head Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas In the year 1984-85, the profit of the be reduced by Rs. 100.** ONGC was Rs. 1627.41 crores, Out of that, Rs. 325 crores were paid as dividend [Failure to utilise fully, the amount to the Government. But nothing whatso- allotted for ONGC for the year 1985-86.] (2) ever has been done for developing the oil “That the demand under the head bearing areas of Assam, particularly in Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Sibsagar. In the name of regional develop- Gas be reduced by Rs. 100.** ment, a few electric lights have been installed in government residential areas [Slippage in capital acquisition pro* along the Sibsagar Tank. We strongly gramme of ONGC.] (3) feel that something has got to be done to “That the demand under the head physically develop the oil bearing town of Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Sibsagar and also other towns. be reduced by Rs. 100.** 135 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 236

[Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy] [Need to check the pilferage of gas and [Reductioa of target of crude oil pro- oil (12) duction in 1985-86 from 30.14 m illion tons “That the demand under the head to 29.94 million tons.] (4) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas “That the demand under ihe head be reduced by Rs 100/’ Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas [Need to provide jobs to family mem- be reduced by Rs. 100.*' bers of farmers whose lands have been [Low target of 30.21 million tons qf acquired by ONGC.] (13) crude in 1986-87 inspite of increasing the 4'That the demand under the head B.S. and l.E.B.R. from 2996.68 crores to Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas 3216 crores in the budget.] (5) be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the demand under the head [Need to pay sufficient compensation to Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas the farmers whose lands have been acquired be reduced by Rs. 100." by ONGC.] (14) [Need to avoid delay in constructing Hazaria-Bijapur-Jagdispur (HBJ) Gas “That the demand under the head Pipeline Project.] (6) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by 100." ‘That the damend under the head Mini Btry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be [Need to take steps to check breakdown reduced by Rs. 100.’' of oil refineries in the country.] (15) [Need to reduce the import of crude oil "That the demand under the head and the cost on imports.] (7) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas “That the demand under the head be reduced by Rs. 100." Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100.” [Need to make proper utilisation of huge profits made by ONGC and OIL.] (16) [The price hike in petroleum - products and curde oil even though there is crash in “That the demand under the head their prices in international markets.] (8) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100." “That the demand under th^Kicad Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas [Need to expedite the exploration and be reduced by Rs. 100." exploitation of the oil struck in Godavari offshore.] (17) [Need to expedite the exploration and exploitation of oil and natural gas reserves “That the demand under the head In Andhra Pradesh.] (9) Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas “That the demand under the head be reduced by Rs. 100.” Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to set up an oil refinery at oc around Godavari offshore drilling in [Need to check the price hike in LPG Andhra Pradesh.] (18) cylinders for giving relief to the middle class people,] (10) PROF. PARAG CHALIHA : I beg to move : "That the demand under the head Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas "That the demand under the head be reduced by Rs. 100." Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to control the flaring up of gases and oil in the exploratory oil wells in [Need to instal an oil refinery near the Bombay and other places.] (11) oil producing areas of Upper Assam.} (25) “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by R. 100.*' be reduced by Rs 100." 4 237 D. G. (Geul.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 238

[Need to expand and modernise the “That the demand under the head .country’s first Oil Refinery at Digboi Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gat (A.O.C.)] (26) be reduced by Rs 100.”

“That the demand under the head [Need to raise royalty on crude oil to Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Rupees 336 per tonne as demanded by tte be reduced by Rs. 100.** State Government of Assam.] (34)

[Need to retain the identity of the erst- “That the demand under the head while A.O.C.—now an I.O.C. Division- Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gat envisaged in the projected re-orgranisation be reduced by Rs. 100.” in l.O.C* Administration vis-a-vis Assam.J Wl [Need to establish a Research and (27) Development Institute in Assam.] (35) “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas be reduced by Rs. 100.” be reduced by Rs. 100.”

[Need to utilise huge profits in ONGC [Need to pay adequate compensation to in physical and environmental develop- agriculturists, whose lands have been ment of oil field town of Sibsagar in damaged by constant and huge quantity of Assam.] (28) refinery effluent.] (36) “That the demand under the head SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN (Jabalpur) : Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am grateful to you be reduced by Rs. 100.” for giving me the earlier opportunity to [Need to establish a petrochemical speak. I stand to support the Demands for complex in oil producing areas of upper Budget Grants of Petroleum and Natural Assam ] (29) Gas Ministry. “That the demand under the head So far as Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas are concerned, I am sure, the hon. Minister be reduced by Rs. 100.” is heaving a sigh of relief because for very number of days, he has been the focus of [Need to utilise fully the natural gas national agitation over pricc rise. As which has so far been wasted in flaring up probably Shah Bano and now Sobhraj have in Assam by ONGC and OIL] (30) come to his rescue and the attention of the “That the demand under the head nation has been diverted from the problem Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas of price rise. Wt all realise that the of be reduced by Rs. 100.” price rise has been necessitated because the reasons best known to the Government [Failure to utilise natural gas of about and of course, the hon. Ministsr. But, so 2 million standard cubic metres per day by far as the problems which the price rise has O. N. G. C. and O. I. L.] (31) created, I through you, Mr. Chairman, wish to submit the difficulties which people art “That the demand under the head facing and the difficulties which the hon* Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister will have to not only face, but t be reduced by Rs. 100. ** am sure, solve in the coming years. [Need to provide Gas line connections So far as kerosene oil is concerned, it to O. N. G. C. residential areas and oil has definitely turned a very dark corner, so producing areas of Sibsagar, Dibrugarh and far as the rural areas are concerned. I Jorhat districts in Assam.] (32) represent a purely rural constituency and “That the demand under the head kerosene oil is basically the energy giving of Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas object in villages. And the price rise be reduced by Rs. 100.” kerosene oil, although from the Ministry point of view has been minimal, but it has [Need to provide suitable employment cut across very adversely in the budget of to qualified local people in oil producing poor homes. So, far as the pricc rise of areas of upper Assam.] (J3) diesel is concerned it has definitely mads n- 239 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 7986-47 240

[Shri Ajay Mushran] hours in the district hendquarters throughout India, are the Government vehicles. and created a very serious situation for the If Government vehjples are stopped I am agriculturists The hon. Minister is aware, sure a very appreciable decrease in Govern- he is one of the most learned Ministers and ment expenditure on petrol, oil and lubri- experienced Ministers, wc have here in this cants would result, thereby bringing about House, that we are going towards the com- economy which the Government is trying plete mechanisation so far as agriculture is to enforce. concerned. So diesel is virtually the life line of improvemeut of agriculture. The second problem which is affecting everybody is adulteration of petrol, and So far as the price rise of diesel is absence of Acts under which deterrent concerned, it has d finitely affected the cost punishments could be given. We had the and now in agriculture. Only the other dry, same situation when we were dealing with Mr. Chairman, we were discussing the diug addiction. I am glad a Bill was drought conditions, the product of agricul- brought in this House, antf now the drug turists, either the quantity or quality addiction or drug trafficking is on the affected by natural calamities and suting decline. In the same manner, I wold request that the subsidies or the protective price the hon. Minister to give a thought to this, given by the Government does not necessa- and see that a separate Bill is enacted, rily protect the interests to that extent to under which deterrent punishments will be which it should and, on top of that, if we given to adulterators. Simply cancelling the raise the cost of inputs like the basic input agency or cancelling the permit is not of diesel, it definitely affects, and it adver- enough, because he can always operate in sely affects, the motivation of agriculurists somebody else’s name. I would, therefore, towards going for mechanised agriculture request the hon. Minister to give attention which is a must, which is the need of the to this particular aspect. day* Even for urban bus and local train commuters because of the cost of diesel So far as cooking gas is concerned, going up, the cost of the DTC has gone besides the price rise, the main problem up, the cost of the other buses is also faced by every household and every house- going up. wife is that the cylinders are either half- 15,00 hrs. filled, or they are secondary, as it is called. Not only have you raised the price, but the And even the plane fares are going up. number of half-filled cylinders is increasing. These prices going up has created a situa- So, basically the problem has doubled. If tion, where people are worried. 1 would you have increased the price, the least that request the hon. Minister that a second you can do is that through the gas agencies, look should be given—or, 1 should say a it must be ensured that cylinders are filled third look should be given, because a fully, and there is no black-marketing in second look was given five days after the them. There have been cases where honest price rise, and a relief was given. But there people who are LPG agents have been ia an urgent need to have a third look, and harassed. to reduce the prices of kerosene, diesel and petrol, in that order. I wish to bring to the notice of the hon. Minister that in connivance with the ’ So far as petrol is concerned, the IOC officials, their agents and the trans- maximum users are either Government porters, there is a vicious gang indulging vehicles, Corporation vehicles or public in black-marketing in cooking gas. This sector undertakings* vehicles. By raising must be busted, because wherever a person prices, all that you are doing is to transfer who has got the agency for LPG connec- a bigger amount from one Ministry to the tions does not toe their line, his agency is Petroleum Ministry. The answer would be adversely affected. There has been a case to enforce strict discipline on expenditure in Delhi where an ex-Serviceman who was on petrol and oil products on these vehi- given this agency for LPG, has been cles. Today, you find that the maximum harassed. His agency has been suspended. number of vehicles used during working He was told that his quota of cylinders hours and more so, during non-working would be increased. So, he bought some 241 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 ' PHALGUNA 28. 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 242

m ore cylinders. But not only was £be quota LPG bottling plant initiated in my district, not increased, but his agency was also can- Jabalpur; and that bottling plant is being celled, only because he did not toe the line constructed at a fairly slow pace. We are of the IOC officials and the transporters looking forward to that plant coming up, who used to indulge in gas black-marketing. because that is going to help favourably I am sure the hon. Minister will look into our industrialisation of the district rural this problem. region. I will request the hon. Minister to ensure that it is expeditiously completed; Another problem is about giving of and whatever anciilaries have to come up, LPG agency and petrol dealership to War they must also be encouraged. But it has widows, to War-disabled, ex-service men been given in the Report of the Public and to various ex-service men cooperative Sector Enterprises; it has also been given in societies. There is a procedure laid down the aims and objects of the Seventh Five for these agencies and petrol dealership, or Year Plan and it has also been given in the petrol pumps which are given to various Report of the Industry Ministry that tbe people. 1 personally feel, when we are aim of having anciilaries is to create trying to help through this Ministry, war regional balances and to remove regional casuality, war disabled or war widows, we imbalances. Industrially speaking, this is should basically support a person who has prevalent in the country today. I request not got the means to give as much surety the hon. Minister that, whatever anciilaries as possible as a normal desirous persons connected with this LPG Plant coming up can give. Neither he nor she has the capa- in Jabalpur District, they must be given to city to run from pillar to post, from local entrepeneurs they must be encouraged office to office to fulfil various procedural to open anciilaries; and the parent ancil- requirements. I would, therefore, suggest lary, the parent industry must protect them, that a committee should be formed in the must guide them; whatever class. 111, IV, Ministry where some people from the 11 and even I. They all must bt taken from Defence Rehabilitation Directorate should the local people. There is a reason given be incoporated as members and they should when local people are not to be taken, that monitor as to how many people are being a particular area has not got enough people given these agcnies. There is a quota laid who have got the requisite qualifications. down for both these categories, but that Now, qualification can always be suited quota is never completed bccause of proce- for a particular man. In case a suitable dural wrangles and people from these two person is not available, then the post must categories, ex-service men and war widows, be kept vacant till they get a person who get discouraged while they are half way is qualified, but he must be a local person. through the system of asking for the In this way, not only the industrial imba- agencies. I would, therefore, request the lance of the region will be removed, but hon. Minister to seriously consider it, and also if you wish that from the industrial if you wish to give ex-service men a welfare pjint of view, places like Bihar and other benefit measure, then you must give it in of which the hon. Minister had been the a practical manner; simply giving it on Chief Minister, U.P. Madhya Pradesh, paper is not enough; they must be prote- which are considred backward States—they cted from these various procedural must come up—then you must ensure that wrangles. a certain amount of relaxation is given ao that local people do come up in industries I have been writing to various agencies and not that we get people from outside and various officers in the Ministries. I get every time on the pretext that enough qu- a reply, "Please ask the applicant to look alified people are not available in the local for the advertisement in the papers and places. when he goes through the advertisement in the paper, he should apply accordingly”. That is no measure of expression or Sir, in the end 1 will only try to actually doing welfare for a particular ex- congratulate the hon. Minister that the service man. production of oils and natural gases and the exploration work have been going on a I am very glad that the then Petroleum very sound footing and the Minister Minister, Shri G. S. Mishra, had got an and the Ministry dererves compliments 243 D.G. (Genl.) 1986-81 MARCH 19. 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1916-81 2-4

[Shri Ajay Mushran] that nothing has been mentioned about and congratulations. And I am very glad this refinery in Ministry’s report. There is that we are all haying the niceties of having no allocation of money. Therefore, I expect our own gas, our own petroleum products that the hon, Minister would state the exact and the whole nation is happy. But so far as position about this refinery in his reply. I the prices are' concerned, in hope tnat he will not shovi step motherly that area of administered prices, some attitude to the State of Karnataka so far as re-thinking must be done and the hon. the refinery is concerned. Minister can help the agriculturists and Due to scarcity of electricity many indus- the other rural people if he can help them tries are at the verge of closure in my State. by reducing the prices. . In the capital city of Bangalore the situation is very bad. Therefore the State Govt, wants [Translation] to set up a 120 megawatt gas turbine plant. •SHR1MATI BASAVARAJESWARI The State Govt, has also written to the (Bellary) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to Centre in this regard to supply adequte support the Demands for Grants of the diesel. Hence I humbly plead with the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas. hon. Minister to provide required quantity 1 welcome the demands and express my of diesel to Karnataka. On one side there is views on them. great demand for diesel by the farmers and on the other side transport system in the Petroleum products lead the country to country is mainly depending upon diesel. the path of all round development and The Government should take proper progress. But the recent hike in the petro- steps to meet the increased demand of leum products has affected many fields of diesel. activity in the country. The rise in the prices of diesel, kerosene and fertilizers has Adulteration is a serious malady that is affected the farmers very adversely. The prevailing throughout the country. Earlier farmers want to adopt modern techniques some of the hon. Membeis have referred to in agriculture. Some of them use tractors this malady. Petrol, diesel and kerosene for which diesel is essential. The rise in are adulterated. For example in some cases the prices of fertilizers has created problems it has been found that if we take diesel to the farmers throughout the country. from the tank and store it in the barrel we Kerosene is used by all the poor people. can see about 2 ft. of water at the bottom. The hike in kerosene price has pinched Adulterated diesel and petrol spoil the machi- these poor people. There is shortage of nery and diesel pumps. There is black mar- electricity in the country. Hence many ket to a large extent in the sale of petrol. people have set up their own generator Some of the dealers openly say that they do sets for their industries. Captive genera- not gc*. any profit if they do not adulterate tion scheme has become popular every- diesel and petrol. I want to ask the hon. where. For all these purposes diesel is a Minister about the steps taken by the Govt, must. I request the hon. Minister to fix to curb this adulteration. This malady can- up quota to the farmers and to provide not be cured merely by cancelling the licen- them diesel at a concessional rate. ces. But severe punishment has to be given to those involved in this unscrupulous acti- Hon. Shri Krishna Iyer has already vity of adulteration. mentioned about the Mangalore refinery. Foimer Union Petroleum Minister had Regarding the sanction of gas connec* stated in this august House about setting tions there are some restrictions. The Govt, up of Mangalore refinery. The present should be liberal in this regard it should Minister has said that many proposals are provide more and more gas connections to coming forward to set up this refinery in the rural areas. Otherwise if the villagers joint sector. The hon, Minister also saide that contiune to use wood as fuel the nation will the non-resident Indians investments would be losing its forest wealth. If we have to also be utilised for this purpose and the protect our green forests each and every first phase of the refinery would be com- village in the country must get the facility pleted in a few years. But 1 regret to state of gas connections. Sometimes the cylinders

•The speech was originally delivered in Kannada. 245 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 PHALOUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 246 are filled fully and on trany occasions the what those who are sitting opposite us say, cylinders are not filled fully. On one hand I have not been in politics since long but the price of gas has ncreased and on the other ever since I entered politics, I have been the cylinders contained less gas. Who are observing that it has become a practice for responsible for this type of cheating ? The them to oppose everything, whether it is Oovt. should identify the persons involved good or otherwise people will not care for in such activities and they should be them. punished, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE t The dealers of diesel and petrol especi- Leave all this and talk about dynamic ally on national highways many times say leadership. that neither petrol nor diesel is available SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA : in the petrol bank. Sometimes the custo- Certainly I shall speak about that. You mers have to wait for days together to get also will have to accept it and you are acce- petrol. There are some dealers who indulge pting it outside the House. in hoarding of diesel aod petrol. When there is scarcity they would sell these com- [English] modities at a higher price. The Govt, has to MR. CHAIRMAN : Don’t follow their take stern action against such dealers. directions. Go on in your owa way. There are many complaints about the black marketing of petrol in the country. [Translation] Once again 1 would like to urge upon SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA : our hon. Minister to set up Mangalore refi- Mr. Chaiterjee may or may not admit it but nery very soon. The Govt, has to encourage it is a fact that a few yeais back our country joint sectors and provide sufficient money had to import all the petroleum products for this purpose. Similarly, the gas turbine from other countries. Hon. Minister and plant has to be set up in Bangalore all the officials, from top to bottom, of immediately. The farmers should get the this department deserve appreciation for it diesel at a concessional rate and special that today 75 per cent of the petroleum quota must be fixed for them. Then only the products are being produced within our green revolution will be a great success and country and we are saving a large amount our country will march towards progress of foreign exchange of our country. They and prosperity. deserve congratulations for this. With these words, Sir, 1 thank you for I have personally seen in Bombay High allowing me to express my views and with the difficult conditions under which our these words I conclude my speech. officials are engaged in increasing the production of petroleum products of our SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA country. It cannot be imagined while sitt- (Hoshangabad) : Mr. Chairman. Sir, I rise ing here. Today there are more than one to support the demands of the Ministry of crore L.P.G. connections in our Petroleum and Natural Gas for 1986-87...... country and big network is there all over (Interruptions) ...... We shall definitely sup- the country. Still shortage of gas is being port and your duty is merely to oppose felt. One of the reasons for it is that our without applying your mind, You do that natural gas is going waste at a fast speed. because none can check you from opposing We should utilise that, so that the problem nor anybody can check us from suppo- of shortage of gas in the country may be rting. solved...... (Interruptions)......

[English] We all should congratulate the department that now the crudc oil production has SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE reached 30 million tonnes per year against (fiolpur) : You have taken a positive stand. Why are you supporting them ? 10 million tonnes earlier. Similarly, all the extracted crude oil is [Translation] being refined. Mr. Chatterjee will agree SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA : to this also that from the workers to our Thank you. At least you have applied your Prime Minister, all deserve congratulations mind. I do not want to say much about for this, 247 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19, 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 248

[English] order. The Minister is not available in the House, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : In spite of the Minister's inefficiency, that MR. CHAIRMAN : Some other Mini- is increasing because of the technolo- ster is present and taking „ notes. gists; There is no point of order. *

[Translation] [Translation] SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA : I SHRI RAMESHWAR NEEKHRA : would also like to say that the petroleum Even today, the Government are giving a products being exploited from Bombay High subsidy of Rs. 13 on a gas cylinder. Due to are costly. From security point of view also this high rate of subsidy, the Government that site is not safe. I would like to sumit to have to spend Rs.600 crores on this acco- the hon minister that rich deposits of crude unt, thus bearing a heavy burden. It is, oil and natural gas are likely to be found perhaps, due to this reason that the Gove- in Sitpuda Basin. Besides, there is also a rnment have raised the prices of petroleum placc named Anhoni in my area which has products. already been surveyed. Gas is likely to be found there also. That place has sedi- According to my information, many ments from three to six kilometres and has people manage to get benami allotment of various hot waters springs where there is L.P.G. and petrol outlets reserved for the every likelihood of oil and natural gas be- Harijans, Adivasis and other unemployed ing found. If we undertake exploration youth because the relevant rules in this work there, it is certain that most of the regard require some deposits to be made. shor'age of these products in the country Coupled with this, the rules also require it can be met from this area to be seen whether the applicant has a place for godown whether he has a placc for an outlet or has a space for constructing a The cost of petroleum products being showroom. The Harijans and Adivasis are extracted from Bombay High goes up when unable to fulfil all these prerequisites and, they arc transported to other parts of the therefore, with a view to meeting these country because Bombay High is loeated pre-conditions, the Harijans and Adivasis at so far off a place. I would request the have to take the support of big men and, hon. Minister to exploit the Satpuda Basin thus, though the agency runs in the name to the maximum. {Interruptions) of a poor Harijan or Adivasi but, in pra- Mr. Chairman, Sir, the hon. Members ctice it is managed by some other big gun. who spoke before me have drawn the Therefore, through you, Sir, 1 would like attention of the Government to the rising to request the hon. Minister to make some prices of petrol and L.P.G. It is a fact that provision in this regard under which the the prices of all these products have increa- unemployed Harijan-Adivasi youths could sed, thereby hitting the consumers. get loan so as to enable them to get L.P.G. Appreciating the fact, I would request the agency or a petrol outlet. This would help hon. Minister to effect reduction in the liquidate benami business automatically. prices of these products. The Government have already reduced the prices by 40 per There is another point to which I want cent, but there is still need to effect more to draw the attention of the Government. reduction. This will greatly benefit the Last time, when I went to see the Bombay farmer community which uses diesel oil. At High, I found that the entire helicopter the same time, it would also help those fleet with them had been taken on hire. We poor people who use kerosene oil. You can raise a helicopter fleet of our own from deserve congratulations for giving subsidy the hire charges that we would be paying for two or three years. Therefore, why of 71 paise per litre on kerosene. should we not raise our own fleet ? Simi- larly, the oil rigs have been taken on hire [English] • from the multi-national companies. If we SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- could have our own rigs, more oil can be WAL1A (Sangrur) : I rise on a point of extracted and safety measures can also be 249 D. G. {Genl.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) D.G, (Genl) 1986-81 250 strengthened. As of now, the rigs are national problem and a national need. owned by ihe multi-national companies and So, I hope, there will be a regular they are not extracting oil as much as they supply of diesel to the agriculturists should, besides charging very high amounts of Punjab and Haryana. With the mechani- of money. Attention is required to be paid sed agricultural pproach throughout Punjab to this also. the consumption of diesel has increased. Wherever agriculture has been mechanised, With these words, I again support the the consumption of fertiliser and diesehts Demand for Grant. bound to increase. With the hike in prices, the hope of the farming community to have [English'] remunerative price seems to have a finally died. They are disappointed and SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- this disappointment can lead to bitterness WALIA : Honourable Chairman. Sir, while and frustration. The Government should taking part in the discussion, I want to think of subsidising the petroleum products lodge a strong protest...... which are required for agricultural sector. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARI There is another important factor. In (Katwa) ; To get supply of diesel ? Punjab I have this experience. The Minister (Interruptions) should seriously consider this view of mine. In one village, there are 40 or 50 tractors.' SHRI RAM PYARF PANIKA There are many villages in Punjab which (Robertsganj) : Sir, they are not serious, have 80 or 100 tractors in one villege. But they should not be allowed to speak. all these 100 tractors are to go to the city SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : in the morning to get their tanks filled with W hy? diesel. They go in the morning, at least 50 km s. to the city and come back again 50 (Interruptions) kms. losing half of the working day and also losing petrol or diesel or fuel which SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- is burnt away while running. Therefore, WALIA : We are serious. 1 urge upon the Minister to kindly make Sir, I want to lodge a protest because arrangements te put at least one diesel time and again I have taken up the issue outlet in every village of Punjab and that supply of diesel to Sangrur is not there. Haryana and other areas. 1 will also request Especially during the reaping period of the hon. Minister to make provision of rabi and sowing period, the same period, extra storage of diesel and other fuel of the khariff, the supply of diesel is not commodities in all the States which are given or is stopped with the result the primarily agricultural States. hard working peasantry and kisans instead Regarding LPG and cooking gas acency, of working in the field, are oompelled to every Member of the House, whoever spoke stand in long queues at the petrol stations either from this side or that side, has resulting heavy loss of man hours. Sir, 1 complained about the behaviour of the humbly request...... dealers or gas agencies. I have also some experience in my constituency at Sangrur. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : There are only two gas agencies, though it You keep the request until the Minister is a big town. One agency, namely Bharat comes. Gas agency is behaving very roughly to every customer, and the complaint of SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- underweight cylinder is common in that WALIA : Mr. Ansari is there. Sir. on a town. This cannot be controlled with the previous occasion 1 raised the issue and present structure. I would therefore humbly reuqested the Minister. But the Minister urge upon the Minister to give some powers did not give an ear to me on that day. I to State Governments to punish such again put a question, he did not even persons. listen to me. My problem is not only that of a State. The supply of diesel to Punjab, Chandigarh is the capital of Punjab Haryana and all other areas of Rajasthan and Haryana God knows what is wrong *nd U.P.—the agricultural belt—is a and where is wrong. After every six months, of 251 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19. 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 252

[Shri Balwant Singh Ramoowalia] of about three or four years. They further told me that the level of oil under the earth tbe supply of LPG is disturbed. The Mini- in our country was such that it continued ster should ensure that supply of LPG to travelling and did not stay at one place. Chandigarh and Punjab should also be They went on to say that if today we came regularised. I also urge upon the Govern- to know that oil reserves were there at a ment to open a new oil dump at Sangrur. particular place and if you went on consi- The adulteration is spoiling the whole dering whether to do exploration there or structure and economy of the agriculturists. not and took three to four years to reach a I belong to the agricultural family. The conclusion, then the oil in the meantime menace of adulteration has become so would move from that place to another. serious, suppose a farmer purchases a new Therefore, this is a matter of great concern diesel pumb just today and the diesel is which should be given a serious adulterated, within five hours o f its consideration. working, the new diesel engine which was purchased at a cost of Rs. 8,000/- is spoiled If the diesel is adulterated, the pistons and When oil exploration work was started plungers are spoiled and the farmer has to in Champaran after a great deal of efforts, take back the same engine to the repairing the people of Bihar were very hopeful that shop costing Rs. 3,000/- This adulteration oil would be struck there, but that was not is destroying and spoiling the engines of to be. It came as a great disappointment to tractors and tubewells and diesel pumps one and all. Now, exploration work is in used for bringing out water. Some effective progress in Madhubani. In this connection steps with serious punishment should be I would like to say that oil exploration taken to regularise and to stop the adulte- work in Madhubani id not being taken that ration in the petroleum products. seriously. I have come to know that there The prices of fertilisers have further are a number of impediments in it and added to the glonm of the peasantry. many people do not want to give their lands on which exploration work is to be With these few words, that supply of carried out and experiments are to be diesel to Punjab should be regularised, that conducted. Besides, there are a host of more subsidy should be given to agricul- local problems too. The hon. Minister had turists in the use of inputs, that some alsa£one there recently. What I mean to power should be given, to! the States to say is that oil exploration is not being control the functioning M oil pumps and taken as seriously as it should have been the cooking gas agencies so that they can taken, as a result of which crores of rupees be of better utilisation to the people and go waste every year. Moreover, when oil public in common, that regular supply of or gas is not struck after exploration, it cooking gas should be made to Chandigarh causes a great disappaintment to all. All and Punjab and that an oil pump is put up these problems should be taken very at Sangrur, I conclude my speech with seriously. many thanks to you and to my hon. In the end, I would like to say that colleagues. ours is a Welfare State. I agree that you [!Translation] give subsidy on LPG cylinder. I would ' SHRI G. S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): say that you give subsidy even in the rail- Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to draw you ways and other services. But the way LPG attention towards two or three important price has been raised, it has hit the points only. Last week, I had gone to common man very hard, because, the Dehradun and I tried to find out why oil middle class and the urban people of this was not being struck in spite of the fact country have n i cooking medium other than this. It has happened a number of that the work of oil exploration was going times in this country that when the goods on at many places. 1 discussed this issue started becoming abundantly available, the withe a number of officers there and the conclusion at which I reached is quite prices of those goods were reduced I would say that one of the major contributory disconcerting. They told me that whenever they came to know about the presence of factor to the rise in prices is the hike in the prices of diesel, petrol and other petro- oil somewhere, they started drilling, but in between these two stages there came a gap leum products. I understand your compul- 253 D.G. (Genl.) 1986-87 PHALGUNA 2*, 1907 (SyMM) D.G. (Genl.) 1986-87 254

lion, still I would submit that we should know it from personal experience that explore other sources of earning foreign people even mix water with diesel and still exchange and should not increase the prices they are running their agencies. I have of petroleum products to such an extent myself seen people mixing water with that it might have a spiralling effect on the diesel. So, I would say that it is a very prices of other commodities. serious matter which should be given a serious thought. Today, you go to the market and you will find people saying openly ihat the prices have gone up steeply. Very humbly Gas exploitation involves heavy expen- I would request that the Government should diture. Have you ever thought of reducing give a serious thought to reducing the it ? I went to Dehradun where I was told prices of petroleum product?. In lieu that if they were provided with super- thereof, they may levy additional taxes on computers they would be able to locate oil the rich. There are other ways to plug the and gas easily. I do not know where the loopholes in your foreign exchange, but do matter stands with the USA but I request not increase prices of petroleum products that if non-availability of super-computers to such an extent. I had been to my cons- hampers our work, then we should try to tituency and there is great resentment obtain them soon. among the people over the hike in the prices of diesel and kerosene. The people The problem of oil and gas is very look to us with great hopes and if we serious which has shaken our entire cannot lessen their sufferings then who else economy. It is time to think over it coolly will do it ? Therefore, this point must be and explore more and more oil and gas. given a serious consideration since it affects If we find them, then we should reduce the poor. their prices, as it will improve our economy and the poor people will also get relief. For many years we have been hearing that a petro-chemical complex would be set SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT up at Barauni Refinery. Whosoever becomes (Nagpur) : Mr. Chairman. Sir, I support the Minister, gives this assurance repea- the demands of the Ministry of Petroleum tedly, but in spite of all these assurances, and Natural Gas. The achievements of the petro-chemical complex in Bihar has O. N. G C. should be appreciated whole- not come up. 1 would request that this heartedly, bat they have not been able to matter should be considered seriously and work as quickly as they should and it is efforts should be made to set up a petro- not due to any fault on the part of ONGC. chemical complex in Bihar. We have been watching their working since 1975. The fault lies with our planning. We Another point that I want to raise is lack proper planning since the very that you go to the countryside and you beginning and I feel that even now this will not come across a single diesel or petrol Ministry lacks proper planning. The fact is pump even at quite long distances. All the that we are able to find gas but we do not Members must have had this experience make advance planning for the pipelines that when they go to their constituencies, to carry that gas. We think over it only they are stranded on the way because of after we have found gas. For this purpose, absence of any petrol or diesel pump. The we invite tenders from the market which people who get agencies in the names of takes years together and the gas worth the freedom fighters, warwidows, unemp- crores of rupees has to be burnt, which is loyed, scheduled castes and scheduled our national loss. Today also we require tribes are fake because some other people oil and gas in large quantity, but the run those agencies in their names. There- ONGC cannot work with the desired speed fore, I say that the agencies should be given because of the fear that they would not be to the genuine people and these should be having pipe lines for the new found gas. located at short distances so that the people Therefore, more attention is required to be may not feel inconvenience. paid to this problem. There should be advance planning for this purpose. The You might be knowing about it that economy of our country depends on it so, people mix kerosene with diesel, but I how can we afford to ignore it 11, there- D. G. (Genl.) 1986-87 MARCH 19f 1986 D. G. (Genl.) 1986*87 256

[Shri Ban war i Lai Prohit] kerosene is being mixed with diesel It spoils the engine. Government recieves fore, request the Government to pay special complaints about it but they do not take attention to it. any steps. It also needs serious considera« tion by the Government. You may mix Another important point that I want colour or adopt any technology or fix the to make is that if a well is dug in some- prices in such a manner, but it should be body’s field and he is prohibited from using ensured that kerosene is not mixed with its water then what would be his feeling. diesel. The kerosene is not availabe in the Today huge quantity of oil and gas is villages, although you supply it in huge being exploited from Bombay High in quantities. There is the public distribution Maharashtra. In such a situation will it be system for it but even then quarrels take justified not to set up a fertilizer petro- place. It is sold in black market. When complex in Vidarbha which is a backward the hawker is caught, he stops selling area of Maharashtra ? This matter needs kerosene. The poor people do not get reconsideration. I had a talk with the kerosene at fair price throughout the officials of O. N. G. C. country. Therefore, you will have to take steps in this regard. 13.52 hrs. O. N. G. C. has made tremendous [MR DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] progress. Previously 30 or 35 rigs were In They told me that they did not have operation and now 60 rigs are in operation any objection to that. What are we doing and we think that by 1990 our country will now-a-days ? We do things under political achieve self-sufficiency, but to achieve that pressure, which is not proper. When there target you will have to work skilfully. You is the genuine demand of Vidarbha, we should provide the required infrastructures should consider that. If we set up a ferti- for that, so that no hindrance is caused in lizer unit in the backward area of Vidarbha, this work in future. Your planning is to it will benefit the farmers of Chhattisgarh, operate 200 rigs at Bombay High by 1990. Mahakaushal and Vidarbha. Hon. For this purpose, you should tap all the Minister should pay special attention to it. resources. If you look at the Bay of Bengal you will find that oil reserves arc available There is acute shortage of gas. Take there also in abundance. Like Bombay for example the Nagpur city where about High, you will get oil in the Bay of Bengal one lakh gas connections have been given also. You should look to that source also. As per our experience, oil can definitely be but still 40 thousand applicants are in the found at those placse where hot water queue. They all belong to the middle class and they have not been given gas connec- springs are found. Vidarbha has Chikaldara tions. So, you should see how the maximum hill station. There also you find such hot water springs. Likewise there are hot water number of people can be given gas connec- springs at Akola also. If you try there, you tions. I asked the hon. Minister about it can find sufficient oil. and I was told that there was shortage of bottling plants. Then, why do you not instal bottling plants on war footing ? You With these words I conclude. I hope do have gas which has to be burnt but that you will give special attention to the cannot reach the people. AM this is due to suggestions given by me. the defective planning. You should instal MR. V1JAY KUMAR YADAV more and more bottling plants on war (Nalanda) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is footing and meet the requirements of fuel a matter of great surprise that during the of the lower and medium class people. last session of Lok Sabha, the Government had announced a new economic policy in Just now the hon. Member who spoke which it was stated that they would try to before me referred to kerosene. You will rcduce the burden of taxes on the common have to remove the evil of mixing kerosene man, but hardly a few months had elapsed with diesel. Government cannot remain a that the Government hiked the prices of helpless spectator in this matter. You also the petroleum products and thus violated must be seeing to what a large extent their own declared policy. Earlier, whenever * 257 D.G. (Genl.) 1986-81 PHAl.GUNA 28. 1907 (SAKA) ?58

there was a hike in the prices of oil and 16*01 hr;. diesel, the Government used to rake the DISCUSSION RE : ESCAPE OF plea that the prices were rising ih the^KKcr- PRISONERS FROM TIHAR JAIL national market. That was how they u^cJ ON 16TH MARCH, 1986 to justify the price-hike. Jhey.us^fl to say that it was a compulsion 'for thsiri. But [English] at present, the price of these commodities MR SPEAKER : Now we shall take up are declining in the intcrnat?qnal mar- discussson un Jer, Rule 193. Prof. Madhu ket. Dandavate to initiate the discussion.■

The''prices of bit, diesel, kerosene and PROF. MADHU ' DANDAVATE gas have'been raiied1 steeply. 'All our hon. (Rajapur) : Mr. Speaker Sir, on 17th March Members have* opposed' this price-hHce. I sought, your consent to move an adjourn- Some people, even exposed • the, fear that ment,motion oi*. the question, o.f escape of six the Opposition would take adv^tage of it. prisoners including Charles Sobhraj from I would like to tell you that the opposition Tihar Jail. It was not just a frivolous move, parties had given a call for * Bharat-Bandh to move the adjournment motion* But I felt earlier, but this time it,.was a historical that the entire security arrangement and the BharaL-Bandh., . There is. no doubt that the entire jail administration in Tihar Jail had opposition pat ties got .credit for it, but it collapsed and it is a major failure oo the is also a fact that this .-tirne they t 0id ■ not part of the Government. haveJo make much effoft^ as they had been making previously. is time,the people \ also pointed out tp you Sir, that* my themselves rose againsj (the polj^y of othe valued colleague late barrister Nath Pai, who Government. This shows that,.the prjee- incidentally got elected frOiri the same consti- hike by the Government, specially^in respect tuency which I re*present/0Y1 19th November of ; those items whicjb are o£,use for the 1983'1 had sought the permission of the common people, be thry. farm^s or labou- Speaker to move an adjournment motion on rers, has ao adverse effect on- tlje people of the failure of'the Government to prevent the .In d ia. escape of Daniel Walcott who was a known smuggler. The adjournment motion was 15.58 hrs. admitted. The beauty of that adjournment TMR. SPEAKER in the Chair] motion was that none from the Treasury The .people have strojigty oppqsed the Benches objected to the adjournment (Government for this hike, ,apd they, have motion being admitted. (Interruptions) As lrisen against this step. I take it ^sn chal- 7 a result of that, there was a thorough dis- lenge and the Government should al$p, take cussion on the adjournment motion. it in the same spirit, .otherwise the people MR SPEAfctR : I am going to have will rise to oppose it,);with greater vigour a much mor^ thorough discussion now Sir, in the coming days, and wljpt. the pepple Because you will have much more facts at would suffer, we shall have to support youij co*nmand. them; PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I was just [English] , on the point.,f/ The entire House is grateful MR. SPEAKER ;, Are yqy Jo continue to you Sir, though you did not feel that the still ? adjournment motion could be admitted, you [TjanSiatton] directed the Minister to make a statement at 2 o'clock. When I gave the notice foi " ...Pave you fioi^ejti your,^peech or,pot ? a discussion on that, you immediately SHRI VIJAY KUMAR YADAV The * admitted the motion only the next day ; bell has been rung, so I have resumed but it was my failure to remain present my seat. So'far I have only given introduo yesterday because of Patna Kranti March. I iiiid to go there. (Interruptions) Don’t be ti6n/'> so rtilich panicky when we utter the name [English] revolution. If by the utterance of the name * . MR. ..SPEAKER^ Yo u can conntinue revolution you become so much panicky, tomorrow-, what will happen if the revolution takes place ! 259 Dis. Re : Escape of MARCH 19. 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 2

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : (Bolpur) : They will not be there. Afterwards, Sir, we have come to know that (Interruptions) one of the accomplices has already surrcn- dered. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am MR. SPEAKER : Two. glad that you promptly admitted a discussion under Rule 193 becase you too were PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : After convinced that it was a matter of urgent that there is one more. I would like to know public importance and, therefore, a discus- from the hon. Minister whether as a result of sion should immediately be commenced this surrender have they been able to get under Rule 193. any specific clues regarding the entire cons* piracy that was hatched ? A Statement has been made by the Minister of State for Home Affairs. The Sir, at the outset I would like to say first responsibility after he resumed the new something about the background of this portfolio was to talk about the escape of particular case and the background of this the prisoners In a very brief statement— international criminal Sobhraj. He is an Our Home Minister of State is konwn for international criminal who is wanted by the his brevity—he had made a factual state- Intrepol. He is not only famous with the ment that at 2 50 on that day the Superin- Indian police but is also international in tendent of Jail was informed that such and character. His crime is of that nature. He such a thing had happened, so many people is wanted by the Interpol. The most intere- had escaped. Thehy he said that so many sting thing is that already in Thailand, persons were drugged and as a result of Sobhraj faces the prospect of death and that they were in a semi-conscious state. since he was in India the extradition of Then he stated that the jail officials are Sobhraj was already ordered by Chief under suspension. A case is registered by Magistrate, Delhi and confirmed by the High the police and as usual, as any bureaucrat Court. So, really speaking in these days of would do, the Minister has acted. He stated imports and exports he ought to have been that the Lt. Governor has already ordered exported but unfortunately in our anxiety an inquiry into ihe matter by a senior offi- to move towards 21st century we are giving cer of the administration, more stresson imports than on exports. As a result ofthat I find that some bureaucrat in I will say how the things coincide. I ihe Government of India—I do not know am told, of course it might be wrong also who that great person is—has kept this file only two days prior to the escape, Shir Aron for one year and as a result of that this Nehru and the Lt. Governor of Delhi had person was never exported to Thailand visited that jail. (Interruptions) otherwise you could have saved lot of trou- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ble in Tihar jail and possibly these officers DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- would not have been suspended. RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : I do not I would like to know while already the want to contradict the hon. Member but extradition orders were passed by the Chief 1 went theie over a month ago. I hope I Metropolitan Magistrate, Delhi and confirm- would not have to correct the hon. Member ed by the High Court what is the reason that again. for one full year this order was not implemented at all ? It is a very serious lapse PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Shri and in fact, the High Court must have felt Arun Nehru is a perfect gentleman. When that Government indulges into contempt he goes to the jail he neither goes of the High Court. as a satyagrahi nor does he go there in order to give final touches to the escape operations. He must have Sir, I do not know why this particular gone there in connection with his usual order was not implemented. I would also routine work I am not suggesting he had like to place before the House another gone to finalise the plans for escape. in teresting information, This person is of a dubious character and in escaping from SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ; To the jails he has variety of interests. This make it easier, was the same international criminal Sobhraj 261 Dh Re: Frcapeof PHA’ .GVVA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners front Tihar JaU 262

who was actually lodged in a hcspilal in sensitive posts; such men who lack character 1972 and he escaped from the hospital. At and who are likely to be vulnerable as far that time via Nepal he was able to go to as the espionage activities are concerned. Europe. This is the past background of Unfortunately, the officials of the Tihar Sobhraj. I would like to know from the Jail have remained victims of this particu- hon. Minister one more fact. I have already lar blackmail. given two important Call Attention notices in the past but sometimes because you have I would also like the Minister to lot of pressure of work or sometimes when confirm or deny what has appeared in the we come up with such issues—I do not Indian Express today. Today in the Indian blame you because there are so many mat- Express on the front page, a box item ha* ters of urgent public importance and so come under the heading “Sobhraj had a many failures of the Governmem that how meeting with Jail Top Brass”. They have could you make the choice. Therefore p when given the details. Might be it is a figment of 1 bad given two Call Attention notices on imagination. The easiest thing to do for a very importance issues one issue was concer- politician is to say that it is misreporting ning the same Sobhraj. He had thieatened in the press and the matter is over. But I the authorities in jail that if they did not would like to know whether on the basis of give him adequate latitude in jail and res;- what has appeared in the press today in trict his freedom and control his facilities box, it is a fact that Sobhraj had a meeting then in that case he will not hesitate to with two senior officers of Tihar Jail two expose their corrupt practices in jail. I hours before the escape. It is a fact think blackmailing is the most powerful that the meeting was in number 1 section instrument of all the instruments, of the Jail and Sobhraj was called there and he wielded it with cleverness frcm number 3 section of the Jail at 11.00 and thereatened the jail authorities. am.? Ir it also a fact that the meeting It is an open secret. Everybody in jail with the top officers of the Jail lasted for knows and even those people who go inside one hour, from 11.00 a.m. to 12 00 noon 7 the jail as a result of the political move- I would also like to know whether it is a ment are able to see that as far as fact that during that valuable one hour, Sobhraj is concerncd, he stays in that when Sobhraj was having negotiations and particular jail as if he is a resident of a consultation with the top brass of the jail five-star hotel. All facilities are available. authorities, he utilised the telephone in that Even the type of menu which wc do not get particular section on a number of occasions. he is able to get. Only, Sir, on the occa- That is the only section, where telephone is sions when you invite us for dinner for there After every few minutes, he was dignitaries, we are able to get five-star going to the telephone and giving some hotel menu, otherwise we do not get, but message. Is it a fact or not ? Is it a fact he is able to monopolise the five-star hotel that when he returned from that one hour menu . coming from some of the poshest of negotiations or talks with the top officers hotels and restaurants in this particular of the Jail, then the parcel of fruits and city. He has been able to manage that and the sweets came and he took delivery and live with all the comforts and all the started distributing them ? Unfortunately, luxuries because he blackmails the officers the first victim of this was a compounder. in the jail and he tells them that if they do The eompounder is supposed to give drugs not give him the facilities, he would expose to others and improve their health. He was them. That is the reason why ift Dcfence a compounder with vengeance. and other important services, only men of character are kept, because if they are men \Tranvlation} lacking in character and they are indulging in corruption, even a spy can blackmail MR SPEAKER : Otherwise it would them and tell them : “If you do not sub- have not happened but in this case compo- mit to us, in that case, we will expose your under himself was affected. corruption". I am glad that our Dcfence Minister is very careful about choosing the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Our personnel in the Defence Ministry* They complaint is that wrong things are happen- See to it that such people are not put in ing in this country, 263 Dis. Re : Escape of MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 264

[Prof. Madhu Dandavate] look at this. Sunday was the day on which one Mr, Robert carried all those fruits and [English] drugs in a car and went into the jail. At Kranti was the name of that compo- Gate No. 3 he stopped the car. But nobody under. asked him as to why he brought the car in. Nobody told him that it was a Sunday and [Translation] nobody could be allowed. Sir, Sunday MR. SPEAKER : At least you should proverbially is supposed to be a day of get his name changed. confession. But this man did not give any confession. All that he did was t/> stop the [English] car and took the drugs and fruits out. He told that those were to be distributed and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Even as if it were an order from the jail head- if they hear the name Kranti a9 the name quarters, the jailers implemented it thorou- of a person, they feel perturbed. That ghly well. compounder was the first to be drugged and went into a state of semi-consciousness. Mr. Robert, again it has been reported I would like to know, whether all these in the press, was not stopped because he aspects which have been mentioned in the was not a newcomer to visit the jail for ‘Indian Express’, very prominently displayed the first time. It has been reported that Mr. in a box, are correct or not. Robert frequently visited this jail. Intimacy I would also like to say something sometimes breeds contempt. But here intimacy about the modus operandi and it is extre- seems to have bred love. Therefore, he was mely important. When we discuss this allowed to take out all those packages and proposition, the modus operandi followed they were handed over and then they were by Sobhraj and his colleagues is extremely distributed. Since they were supposed to be important. It was Sanday, when this crime filled with certain intoxicating dru?s, those took place. When I read the entire story of who were administered with that food escape of Sobhraj and his colleagues, I was went into a state of sem;-consciousness. reminded of so mmy films. Ons w is “ The: Great Escapo”, where the prisoners of war Many of us stayed in jails, not as escape. But they were thousands and thou- criminals, but as political prisoners. Even sands of them and then it was probably as political prisoners, our visitors and rela- easier bccau^e ot a big ac^rage of com- tives were not allowed to see us on Sun- pound. There arc so mny film9 and days. There were no exceptions. Is it not thrillers where we find that murders are a fact, Mr. Minister, that in all the jails, commited and people ran away and all that. no outsiders are allowed on Sundays ? I When we see such films, we say, “ W hat a am not referring to what happened during director! He has no sense of reality. Can the Emergency. It is soA all the time. We you ever have such a phenomenon in rea- have seen the British jails, we have seen lity ? It is only an artistic fiction ! ” the Indian jails and we have seen the Portuguese jails. Nowhere could we find MR SPEAKER : But he^e it is ! that on Sundays visitors and relatives are PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: But allowed to enter the jails. what appears to a person like me as fiction [Translation] while I see those films, when I see reality now, I find that there is more reality in MR. SPEAKER : I also have personal ■ that fiction ! experience.

[Translation] [English] MR. SPEAKER : You can produce a PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; That film. is right I Sir, your experience should be taken as a directive in this House. There- fore, as for as that aspect is concerned, really [English] speaking, when you also experienced that PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : The on Sundays no relative of yours was alio ’lomr, Minister must diiect that film. Agaiu wed to enter in, what you cculd not enjoy* 265 DIs. Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 266

Sobhraj cannot enjoy ; and therefore, this many people suspected that this was th® is again a failure on the part of the authori- same car by which they left the Tihar jail ; ties ! but by the time the Police had arrived on the scene, the car had already left. I would I would like to know whether the jail like to know whether the police arrived authorities were involved in a conspiracy in late due to genuine difficulties, or they also this entire episode. There are two possibili- arrived on the sp^t late by conspiracy. I ties. One possibility is that genuinely, all these am not saying that this is a firm jail staff warders superintendents etc. were dru- opinion of mine. 1 am just expressing a gged and as a result of that they went into a doubt ; an hon. Member’s doubt should state of semi-consciousness. The second possi- always be clarified by the Rt. Hon, Minis- bility might be that they were only pretending ter. that they were in a state of semi-consiou- sness, but they were more than conscious 1 would like to introduce one more ele- of what they were doing. And this could ment : Knowing this entire background of only be a camouflage. This is not a sus- Sobhraj, how was he able to bully the picion of my mind. I give that much credit people with power of his purse ? 1 would to the intelligence of the Government that like to know from the hon. Minister whether they also suspected that this state of semi- Mr. Sobhraj had already spent a lot of consciousness seemed to be a camouflage and money on the jail authorities, lured them therefore they have charged some of them with the power of his purse and told them : guilty f entering into a conspiracy with “All right ; take Rs. 1 lakh, or Rs. 2 lakhs thpse prisoners to see that they would be able or Rs 3 lakhs. Let me go out. Even if to escapc. That gave me a clue that probably you are sentenced, you might go for this might be a camouflage. The Minister a few months. If you are should give a categorical statement as to dismissed from this Government, what exactly is the fact. don't worry. It is not worthwhile serving this Government.” As a result of that, they Did the half-white ambassador car, by might have made up their minJ9 : “Does which Sobhraj escaped met with an accident not matter. We may Io sj -our jobs. We on the Ring Road »n Delhi ? That also * may go to jail for six months. But after happened to be near about 11.15. I was not all, if we are able to get Rs. 2 lakhs or present to quote the exact time. I am quot- Rs. 1 lakh, probably our entire future life ing only from what I have read in the will be ensured ” newspapers. Again, they may involve me that I am able to give all these details So, When all these things happened like a 1 must be very careful. dramatic scene if our Doordarshan which shows so many interesting films, had shown MR. SPEAKER : Even after my ruling a part of this entire modus operandi, that Sir ? would have been the best thriller ; but far PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : That from showing a thriller, even the news was is the only solace and protection for us. not given on time on the television. It is not an ordinary lapse on the part of the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : He will Television. (Interruptions) If they were not be involved. He will be merely cited in able to show their faces in time, it they the chargeshcet, were able to give the descriptions, maybo SHRI ARUN NEHRU : Any informa- a number of responsible citizens would tion is most welcome. It will help us in the have been able to assist the governmental investigations. machinery, and they would have been able to trap them. MR. SPEAKER : You g in use that. Don't forget that in tlie famous murder THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE case of Geeta and San jay in the city of DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY Delhi, it was the details that were revealed AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD): by the police party which made some people A.M. or P.M. ? catch hold of Ranga and Billa in the train: PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : That and as a result of that, the culprits wert accident took place at the Ring Road ; and arrested. They are already hanged. Lei 267 Dis. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 268

[Prof. Madhu Dandavate] possible for men like Sobhraj to bribe the their souls rest in peace. But that had hap- authorities, because in the past also a lot pened. of bribing had taken place to the extent that even tunnels could be dug and even MR. SPEAKER : They should not. prisoners could go out. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ? I said : ‘souls*. 1 am against them. But Now, I comc to the most pathetic part soul is the most cosmopolitan thing. of the entire episode in the Tihar Jail, the Therefore, as far as that aspect is con- juvenile whom are kept there as under-trials, cerned the lapse at that time, viz. not show- the way they are treated ; their story of ing the news on the television on time, was agony is a story of sorrow, a story of a greater lapse. torture.

Now I would like to go into details When Justice Bhagawati was on the about what is happening in Tihar. 1 h?d Bench, in one of the cases, he ordered that some discussion with Mr. H. M. Patel who he would like to probe into what was hap- had the experience and the facility to work pening with the prisoners inside the Tihar in various capacities in the Government’s Jail ; and he appointed Mr. M K, Chawla administration. He tried to tell me that and told him to go to the Jail without even in those old days what precautions policc authority without jail authority, meet were taken when he used to visit jails, the juveniles, meet under-trials and try to what precautions were to be taken ; and find out whether the story that had leaked whenever any administration was fourd out from the Jail was correct. He prepared guilty of a major lapse, how deterrent pun- a report. Oa 19th October, 1983, this report ishments, were given, and how the entire by the Session Judge, Mr. M. K. Chawla, set-up was changed. In the context of that, was submitted to the Supreme Court. I will now give you some picture which will What does this report say ? I do not be a horrible one. There is some part of want to go into the details. It gives a this picture—Mr. Speaker, Sir : if the teais graphical picture of sexual assault forced in your eyes are yet not dried up, you can labour and sexually transmitted diseases wait to drop them when I am some report a non$ the juveniles, under-trials who were about theevcnts in Tihar jail. As far as Tihar rotting there for years together. What jail is concerned, you will be surprised to type of under-trials are there ? They are know that apart from the bullying tactics and accused of certain crimes. If they are pro- activities of Sobhraj, there was a time when duced before the court and ultimately a tunnels were dug inside the jail, to escape sentence is pronounced and if they are to from the jail. Tunnels were dug. This is an be sentenced for six months or eight months accepted practice for all the revolutionaries or ten months but for years together, they during War time, for all the partisans and are remained under-trails ; they have alrea- all freedom fighters, viz. that when we are dy completed the sentence that was to be in the enemy*s camp, it is our inherent right awarded. Probably, they had mentally to dig tunnels and try to escape, because it committed crimes and faced severe punish- is an escape from slavery to freedom. But ment. That is what is happening. Mr. here, hardened criminale dug up tunnels Chawla went from barrack to barrack, he inside the Tihar jails. And in a small jail went from cell to cell, he went to the convicts, like this if tunnels are dug, and if some he went to the undertrals and they told the people escape, 1 don’t think it can be done manner in which they were sexually assaul- without the connivance of the authorities. ted and the manner in which they were asked This what was happening in Tihar. I am t6 work as forced labour. All that story had saying all this because this is relevant to been prepared in the form of a report. It is generalize the problem. actually a 20-page report ; it is worth reading. It was submitted to the Supreme I would like to know what actions have Court on 19th October, 1983. Just taking been taken in regard to those who were a clue from this particular episode, what found to be responsible for digging such have you done to implement this report : tunnels because they built up a certain submitted to the Supreme Court on the atmosphere inside the jail, and if it became 19th October, 1983 ? Is the strategy going 269 KDis. Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail to continue and the flowers before they are under rule 193, our bodies might be divP bloomed going to be destroyed ? They ded, but hearts and soul can remain might have committed crimes, but they are inviolate. Therefore, I am sure that some human beings, just juveniles, young of the tragic stories that I have quoted boys, misguided boys, some of them here, may show—I am sure that this Houss probably orphans, some of them illegitimate will not be divided on party ranks and children. But it is wrong to say illegitimate people will rise above party lines and try children. Rabindra Nath Tagore said, the to have certain procedures and reforms by relation between father and mother might which such crime can be avoided in the be illegitimate, but no child is illegitimate ; future. child is like a flower. Such blooming flowers before they are bloomed have been And, therefore, coming to the constru- destroyed in the cell of the jail. What have ctive part.Mr. Minister, I would plead with you done to protect the blooming flowers the Government to concede certain demands, so that they may blossom and their future which are the demands of all humanitari- gardens will be protected. ans, they are neither the demands of the ruling party, they are the demands of the Under-trials for more than ten years are Opposition parties nor the demands of all remaining there. 1 do not want to refer what those who stand for the dignity of man and is happening in jails-Bhagalpur and all that which went to destroy the crime in this blinding of persons and all that. Forget country, that will be the demand of all all that. This is what is happening in jails. here. Against the background of what is happening in T ihar Jail, he will tell us on the Number one : Tell us what are the occasion of the Home Ministry's demands reforms, in administration, jail administra- as to wiiLt steps have been taken on various tion, suggested by the various reform committees recommendations. So many committees and tell us what has been done ccmmit'ees have been formed right from the in the matter. British days upto the present age for jail reforms, improving jail administration ; so Number two : Will you scrap, as a many concrete proposals have been made. deterrent step, the existing entire jail set On this occasion, step by step, tell us what up, and machinery in the Tihar Jail ? Some are the jail reforms that they have already might be innocent, but as a deterrent you introduced ? The have not been able to should scrap the entire set-up in order to introduce many jail reforms. The very instil some sort of confidence in the minda fact that the Tihar Jail has become a den of of the administration and also among the criminals, a den of corrupt officials and people, will you scrap the entire set up just the den of all that evils that exist in this now, telling them that some might be inno- country, if that is happening in the Tihar cent, buy by way of abundant caution—to Jail, why is it that they have not been able use that legal term—change the entire to implement various jail reforms that were administrative set up and replace it by submitted by various committees appointed anotherone. by various legislatures, some at the State leve 1 and some at the central level ? Number three : And this is a very positive suggestion. Sir, for the last so many 1 would like to know what has happe- years, various social organisations have ned about that. Only one minute, and I been writing about the crimes committed am concluding. in the jails and particularly the Tihar Jail. Various. investigating journalists have And, Sir, having stated this case, on brought out the facts. Several research which hardly the House will be divided in students have brought out the facts. Stu* a way it is good that instead of an adjourn- dents working for theories have provided ment motion the discussion is under Rule the these. And persons like Mrs. Sheela 193, because when 1 move an adjournment Bharse have recently submitted a thesis on motion, even when their hearts and souls the atrocities on the juveniles in various ja- are with us, bccause Madhu Dandavate has ils and for that she had been given the award moved an adjournment motion, it will be of the People's Union of Civil Liberties. defeated. But when there is a discussion Enough material is available, go through it. s %71 j „ i Qis. Re : Escape af. M ARCH. 19, 1986 , Prisoners frpm Tihar Jail 272 ' -if- w-

[Prof. Madhq Dandavate] ^ ^ SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN and please tell us through yojir own, SINHA (Aurangabad) : ,JProf. Dandavatc machinery, whether you will be prepared to in his speech., dweft-upon thef mal-adminis- bring out While Paper on the , happenings tration in the Tihar Jail,; Everybody agrees m Tihar7 Jail for the last tea ^oars. Wp that this is a v.frj^ serious' matter, that a demand such a White Paper. Wer have been person of the,notoriety, Charles Sobhraj, given all sorts of white papers, /Add 'O s^t w.ho had almost devej/ap^'d an expertise in more to them. But that should,be a white jail .breaking, ywas aUo^ed* to move about paper with a difference, it should not fieely and was able to1# escape from the jail. be a Paper with a white cover and a dark Pfof. Dand^vpte told t ^ House how he was background. I think that that While Paper treated, how the officials.there used to dis- will be coming. cuss with jhim and^fiow he was able to establish conacts with the outside world. Next/I would demand, we !afe not sati- The newspapers alsQ .report that one Mr. sfied with this adm inistrated putting' up Ronald Hallfj an international narcotic some bureaucrat and he' trying to go rtvtfr smuggler, who'had been lodged in the Tihar tjiis ■.matter "I woud like, and since the Jail for two months had become very House is totally agreed on' the events that friendly ,w;jh Charles Sobhraj. He was are taking place irrespective of whose res- released pn bail. I understand from ponsibility it is, and I would demand the the newspaper reports that a large setting up of a Committee of the House Sir, number of * international gangsters, by you, the Hon. Speaker of the Hotr?e, who had comc to Delhi and were staying in subject it to a Committee and let the a posh guest house in Anand Niketan, were Committee of the House go into the able to establish contacts with Charles Sob- affairs that have happened in Tihar Jail for hraj. And it is possible that they might tho last so many years. ^ have, in collusion with Charles Sobhraj, "' i 1 . master-minded the whole thing. And, lastly, as far as this particular J - - incident is concerned, none, will be satisfied This is not an isolated incident. Prof. with; the report of tbc bureaucrat, whom Dandav^te has already stated that some you have appointed. I have nothing against time agp, prisoners were able to dig up a him in person. In fact, i am one among tunnel and made their escape from the jail those people-who bclieye in what Gandhiji which-is a very serious matter. I would said,; “Hate^the sin an

authorities or the Government. If so, what suggestion made by Prof. Dandavate that was the reaction of the administration and a high power judicial enquiry should be what steps were taken to ensure that ordered to go into the whole matter. A this prisoner, who is an international time limit should be prescribed for submi- criminal, and wanted in several countries, tting their report. An enquiry has been and was a maximum security prisoner, did ordered by the Lieut. Governor of Delhi. not escape from the jail ? I think, the aut- Let us commend him for the promptitude horities have signally failed in taking such with which he has acted. But this enquiry precautions. With the result this shameful by this enquiry officer will not satisfy us. episode has taken place. There should be a high power judicial enquiry. There should be a time limit y. lt is also reported that Sobhraj used to within which this enquiry should be com- write articles in the weekly ‘Sun* and one pleted. The entire jail administration Mr. A.B Shukla, Deputy Inspector-General should be gone into. Tihar is the biggest of Prisons, also used to contribute articles jail in this country and it should act as a to that magazine. Many a time, it is said, pace setter in the matter of jail administra- Sobharj wrote for him. Why was this sort tion. If there is laxity in security it is a of liaison allowed to establish between the matter of great conccrn to all of us. As I DIG of Prisons and Sobhraj, an interna- said, let that judicial enquiry make its tional criminal 7 Was the Government's recommendations within a prescribed time attention drawn to this 7 If so, what was limit Those recommendations should be the reaction of the Government 7 The discussed in this House and prompt action whole episode shows that there was a com- should be taken by the Government on the plete understanding between jail authorities recommendations. Sir, many committees and this criminal, with the result, no precau- have been appointed and they have made tions were taken at all. reports ; but we do not know whether any action has been taken on the recommenda- Sobhraj was allowed to operate from the tions made by them. If a Committee has jail in the manner in which he did it. Prof. been appointed to go into the question as Dandavate has said that during his long to how the tunnel was dug to facilitate the session in the jail with the top brass in the escape, 1 would like to know whether the jail administration , he was able to establish Committee made any recommendation about contacts with friends outside; he was able to it and what action was taken by the Govern- plan the whole thing, about the timing of ment. If proper steps were taken on the his scape and all that. He used to be inter- basis of the recommendations made earlier, viewed by certain journalists. I want to this shameful episode would not have taken know whether these journalists have been place. I would like to know from the interrogated by Government or whether the Minister whether his girl friend, used to Government has got any intention of inter- visit him in the jail and if so what action rogating these journalists. We have seen is proposed to be taken. There have been press reports about the misdeeds in the drug peddling going on in the jail for a Tihar jail. I don't want to quote what long time. I want to know what steps will Mr. M.K. Chawla has reported to the Chjef be taken to put an end to all these things. Justice of India and so on. We have seen Sir, we know about all these widespread many things published in the press about the evils prevalent in Tihar jail. Prof. Dandavate misdeeds in the Tihar jail. There has been has spoken about the indignities to which laxity in security. No effective step the juvenile offenders are subjected. So, all was taken by the jail authorities. We have these things should be gone into and a been told that he has a girl friend who used high level judicial enquiry should go into to visit him in the jail quite often and many the whole matter. Government should look times she used to stay in the jail itself. at this incident with the gravest of concern What action was taken about it ? Why no and appoint this high level judicial enquiry jail authorities ever thought of taking any which Fhould be required to subntitits report action about it 7 Is it not a very serious within a prescribed time limit and this report thing ? Sir, Government should take a very should be placed on the Tabfeof the House serious view of the whole thing and take and discussed in the House. With these immediate action about it. I endoese ihe words 1 conclude. 275 Dis. Re : Escape of MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 2)6

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Mr. and stiy in Tihar jiil seem? to be only a Speaker, Sir, the statement we are dis- few sweetmeats away from escape. This is cussing is brief both in length and in something amazing. Prof. Madhu Danda- breadth. I wish it had the length of t’ie vate is very fond of Hindi films it seems, hon. Minister for Home Affairs... but, Sir, one or two James Bond's films I had seen. Even then... MR. SPEAKER: Horizontally a.id vertically. MR. SPEAKER : They must have a variety of programmes. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : ... SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : But and the breadth of the Minister for Inter- Sir, even James Bond would completely nal Security or of me. fade into insignificance because he had to AN. HON. MEMAER : Like you. m z some force to extricate himself, but here no force is used. With sweetmeats SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I and grapes one comes out walk ing from said that, I included myself. Tihar jail. (Interruptions) [Translation] MR. SPEAKER : Long and short MR. SPEAKER : Have you not heard both ? a Shfoka in Sanskrit *'Bud hi yasya Balam Tasya'9. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Long and wide, Sir. [English]

Lut what is wonying us is that ihe state- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : ment with which the hon. Minister came Sir, it seems to be a high security prison, before thie House shows an inadequate it seems to me, it is highly secure for the prpaat on of the seriousness of the situa- notorious criminals. They are safest there. tncciand unfortunately on the basis of the Whenever they want to come out they can ionsgpapcr reports that we have been able come out and whenever they want to go in, ew ret, tbe statement conceals more than ihey go in. One very interesting thing is—I jojieveals. do not know about the No. 2 person who has been arrested today—arrested or surrendered Sir, one should have thought that the I do not know. The first person. No 1, Government should take up this matter Dincsh or somebody, presented himself at very seriously and an attempt should not be the gate of Tihar Jail, he was roaming about made to project it is as an ordinary event in Delhi or on the railway platform, the of minor administrative lapse. It is not so. Government police could not arrest him for It shows utter inefficiency and almost cri- hours ! What sort of ‘man-hunt’ is going minal negligence on the part of the admi- on, we do not know. And this Dinesh has nistration, which is nothing but an inep) to present himself saying ‘Please arrest me\ administration . And wc have two Msnisters sitting here, I do not know what their role is, whether it Sir, tlhe Ministry of Home Affairs which is complementary or conforntationist. is directy in charge of this cannot just absolve its responsibility by arresting some [Translation] of thesa conspirators. It is only a proper inquu/C that will reveal. But a matter of MR. SPEAKER : He must be missing serious consideration is that this country the pleasure of such nice place. seems to have become a happy hunting ground for a!J sorts of anti-national spies, [English] drug trafficker s, smugglers and what not. Every day these reports are coming and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THfi even foreign.agencics are having a field day DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- in this country a.id even in the Capital. RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : May I The jail seems to be the most easy place, a clarify that tbe second person has been comfortable place to slay even for criminals. arrested in Madhya Piadesh. 277 D is .R e : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners ftom tihar Jail 278

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It MR. SPEAKER : You concentrate on seems the Madhya Pradesh Police is better Tihar only. than Delhi policed PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : There (Interruptions) is an arrangement to see each other. PROF. MADHU DADAVATE; Sir; the SHRI ARUN NEHRU : No aspersion word ‘■Dinesh*1 should be clarified. Other- should be cast on the police because police wise, there will be misunderstanding of the is n jt concerned with the jail administra- hon. Member. (Interruptions.) tion. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ; SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : After Mr. Ajay Mushran has left Madhya There are reports in the newspapers that Pradesh and come here, the situation is there were more than half a dozen cases better now. of jail break reported from the high security Tihar jail in the last three years MR. SPEAKER : Now you have to alone. I do not know whether this is clarify which “Dinesh” . correct or not. Mr. Dandavate has referred SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Madhya to digging of tunnels. Pradesh has full-time Home Minister while MR. SPEAKER : I thought you were we have only in-charge Homo Minister. going to say, he knows better. (Interruptions.) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Now. Sir, in July, 1985, Hansraj, who had Only yesterday it has come out in the na- been arrested in connection with the cases tional Press a serious report about the law of rape and criminal assault had escaped and order situation in this city. I am sure, from the construction site on the jail he will not just minimise it for the sake of premises in a truck. Three months earlier, discussion. In 1985, there has been one Suraj Prakash, escapcd from a farm in the murder in every 18 hours in the capital and jail. One month before that, Laxmi Narain, 3121 murders have taken place. There were who managed to escape along with Sobhraj, 80 cases of rape, some of them ending in made an attempt to flee after tearing up murder. That shows what is the position more than 51 warrants against him. of police Administration here. There were Sir, these particulars have been given. 10 bank robberies. (Interruptions) The In December, 1984, 9 persons tried to relevancy is that it is has percolated the escape and one of the persons was hurt. entire Delhi Administration into ineffi- Incidents of October, 1984 and May, 1984 ciency. have been given. Since my time is limited, I do not want to elaborate. This is Times [Translation] o f India, Monday the 17 th March, 1986. It SHRI HARISH RAWAT : How it is is not my newspaper. If they do not like relevant to Tihar Jail ? the Times o f India, I have got the Hindustan Times. MR. SPEAKER : You talk about the MR. SPEAKER : "Times'* reminds the Jail. time ! [English] (Interruptions.) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : So SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It far as Tihar Jail is concerned, you want to has very elaborately and very pertinently know more about jail, Sir. referred to the lapses of security provision in Tihar jail. The first one was mentioned KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE by Mr. Dandavate. On Sundays, no visitors (Jadavpur) : If he raised question about the are allowed inside the jail compound. Then, Administration of Delhi then I will speak how these men could come? Two—It seems about West Bengal and Tripura. the jail does not maintain any register keeping ihe record of number of cars and SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : their registration numbers which come and I was fondly waiting for it. go at the boundary of the jail compound. 279 Dis. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19,1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 280

[Shri Somnath Chatterjee] tune, trying to keep him happy ! That appears to be so ! Nor is there anyone on Sunday out to stop the cars. How do they allow cars to go on One thing Mr. Dandavate did not Sunday ? Three—It is about the man on mention but I do not know it is relevant the tower. Of coures, the Lt, Governor has or not but it strikes me, after these jail exonerated him completely. The man on the officials were entertained with pedas, grapes tower does not have any binoculars and and custards and what not, they became only keeps a watch if any attempt is made semi-unconscious or ui conscious or three- to scale the walls. If anybody tries to quarter conscious, or I do not know but escape by scaling the wall, then the man their mouths were sealed with adhesives -* on the tower will jump. It is a wonderful arrangement. MR. SPEAKER : Tnere seems to be “Four—Assistant Superintendent of one question. How could they do it, all at Jail and Charles Shobraj. the most the same time unconsious ? internationally known criminal, famous for his jail breaks were found minutes PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : They before Charles escaped ‘'together" in a were fed by computers, I might say ! room which was next to the main gates of Gate No. 3. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Perhaps, like the Government, drugs also Should not Charles be in a cell ? work faster. Did they have the adhesive The Lt. Governor replied "Well, he is ready there? Their mouths were sealed with an undertrial...". But undcrtrials adhesives and they are tied with ropes, should not surely be "hobnobbing” everything is available in Tihar for the with the Assistant Superintendent of Jail. escape to be arranged ! Food is being Five—Gate No. 3 is supposed to b t taken. But... always closed and no one is allowed MR. SPEAKER : It was just a inside unless he is identified by just one rendezvous. man the “Deodhi Munshi”, Mr. Kapur said. Is it not necessary to take permis- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : sion from proper authority or papers There was a birth-day party. Whose to be shown to enter the jail ? Usually birthday? Now, anybody coming and saying the Jail Superintendent gives written I have brought some food and pedas and permission. sweetmeats and what Dot, for the purpose Six—Even if one accepts that Charles of celebrating the birthday of somedody Shobraj was having some official talks and lo and behold, the gates are being with the Assistant Jail Superintendent, opened, they come in a proeession, supply is there no rule that the senior official the thing, there is a party going on inside avoid eating anything - *’ the jail from Deputy Superintendent upto Sentry, before the party comes up, they go Cash and kind both are supposed to be to sleep and they walk out and this mighty operating there, Government is running after them ! The "Seven—Are not the doors of the jail to very important fact is, this is not a question bo cl scd once a person has made his of lapse. This is a criminal negligence, a deliberate... e n t r y ”

Thes are the lapses which are pointed MR. SPEAKER : At least, we must out. Does it require an inquiry to find out beware now that no mithai should be taken whether these are lapses or not 7 ^These like that. lapses have been there throughout, A person who is a hardened criminal, wanted SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It by the International Police in so many should not have been taken. At least, it countries, who is waiting for extradition should have been taken outside, not inside. where he would meet with- death sentence, he seems to be loitering over the Tihar jail MR. SPEAKER : Only one hour left and all the big officers are dancing to his more. 281 Dis. Re : Escape of PH AL GUN A 28,1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 282

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : [English] The persons who came—either he is Robert or David—their names do not appear in SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI the log book at all. Nowhere their names (Howrah) : This pariicular incident and were recorded. They would have visted. this particular escape in Tihar jail has They have got not only inmates but visitors shaken the entire nation because such also. They totally have a free access there. things had happened right in the capital of the country and the lapses on the part 17.00 hrs. of the jail authorities and others are also I endorse Mr. Dandavate’s complaint exposed by the media and truly so. that this should have been given the earliest I do not like to go into the details. I publicity over the TV and Radio. May I will come out with very specific and practi- come to my very important suggetions, Sir? cal suggestions. One thing we must very I think uptill now only relevant things clearly understand to-day which unfortu- I have said... nately a large section of the people do not MR. SPEAKER : Please make addi- understand is how the jail authorities tions, if you have. function and how the Police authorities function. The task of the jail authorities SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : is to obey the mandates of the High Courts I am trying to eliminate the common and the lower courts considering the order p o in ts.. of remand so far as undertrial prisoners are concerned and to take care of the convicts. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The moment they come out of the jail, it DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY becomes a headache for the law and order AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) authorities and the police. So long as they All these things have come in the papers. are inside the jail, it is the headache of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTARJEE : Let the jail authorities. The moment they us have no discussion in the House if things come out of the jail, it is the headache come out in the newspapers. Is this the of the Police authorities. Unfortunately attitude of the Government ? Why a young this seems to be the jail system which is and energetic Minister should say all these regulated by the State administration every- things ? where in the country except the Un ion Territory and there too I think Tihar jail I support— since you are in a hurry and follows the Punjab manual. Unless the we are fifr a hurry, it seems so—this demand Police—whether it is good or bad, that is for toj&dicial inquiry and most deterrent altogether a different issue—and the intelli- punishment and don't stop at the Deputy gence have a say or a regular spot-checking Superintendent level, go up to the Ministry, right inside the jail, I am afraid nothing if necessary. can happen in future whatever reforms you may bring—because, inside the jail there is [Translation) already a kingdom by the jail inmates which is dominated on its own and the SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali): Mr. Speaker, Sir. my submission is that in Jail Superintendent and the Jailor are simply, what should I say, tools and case this discussion is concluded by 6.00 nothing more than ’that because the gang P. M., then it is all right, otherwise my inside the jail, the warden and others form Half-an-Hour Discussion may be postponed unions, societies and associations and it is till tomorrow. they who dictate the things and not the [English] Jailor or the Jail Superintendent. It is they who dictate the distribution of work SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : It is among the undertrials. I have seen it in to be seen at 6 o’clock. my own experience in the Alipiir jail—the [Translation] distribution of the task of the undertriala, as to who should do the kitchen work, who MR. SPEAKER : If you wish, let it be should the jamadar work, etc. That it taken up tomorrow. If both of us agree being done by the groups, associations and then there is no pr blem. unions and vested interests as to who will Dis. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19,1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 284

[Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsl] to do it. I take this very seriously. There- do what. That is the inside story of the fore, I suggest to the hon. Minister and I jail. Then what can Police do from out entirely agree with Madhuji in one sentence Bide. I do not know. On the undertrials today no question of inquiry later on. We and specially those criminals who are feel that the Tihar incident is so grave. The supposed to be exposed by the court of law entire administration, right from the Jail till evidence and other things are over, Superintendent down to the lowest warden there must be a system called the jail should be disbanded and totally rooted out. intelligence service from outside who will Futher I would suggest, to find out if your do regular spot-checking inside the jail Revenue Intelligence system is in the hands about the conditions and activities of the of State Governments you apply your own under-trials. If you do not incorporate it, Revenue Intelligence. You take the data it is just impossible. You cannot manage from the former Jail Superintendent, who it, whatever reform you may make. I refer has since retired from Tihar Jail, and find out to a few things. In 980, on June 11, the the people—Wardens, Havildars, etc.—who late Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, Member of the are all amassing wealth throughout Delhi. Opposition, raised a very important Qjes- They have built up houses in Defence tion—Unstarred Question No. 422—about Colony within their limited salary. This is the malpractices prevailing in Tihar Jail. At an organised set up. Otherwise Charles that time, the Government's reply was very Sobhraj could not have managed to escape categorical that to stop over-crowding in and the whole thing could not have happen- jails some more jails were to be ed. You may even say, you will appoint created inside Delhi and I think a Committee of the House to go into the only one jail was completed. I do details and submit a report, I do not know not know whether the other one was com- But this is not a matter of Justice M.C. pleted. In 1979, it was unfortunately the Chagla's inquiry where he made details Janata Regime—I do not want to say about the juvenile delinquents and other unfortunate—and if we accept the responsi- convicts. Eeverybody know it, because it bility today for what happened in Tihar will affect many people We cannot afford today, similarly the other party has to accept to make Delhi a Hong-Kong or Bangkok. the responsibility for what had happened We cannot afford to make it a Beirut. in 1979 also. At that time, 72 undertrials Booby-traps were laid by extremists only and two jail officials were involved. I last year. Shri La]it Makhan was killed accuse the employees also for the entire and till today you could not ^ven come malpractices and gangster operation inside forward to establish it and n^ Minister the jail. It was answered by the Minister could say how it had happened Charles in reply to the question by Shri Jyotirmoy Sobhraj went one hour after the povgiission Bosu. In 1979 again much moie bigger was granted to the visitors, to see him. things had happened which, 1 think, The other gentleman who sunenderedyester- Madhuji is awaie of. In the House the day was one of the chaps who escaped on answer was given by Shri Makwanaji on Sunday. He was roaming in Chandni 16th December, 1981 in reply to a question Chowk. I strongly feel, that it is not a by Shri Manoranjan Bhakta, that forged simple question of accusing and abusing the Court documents were taken away and man- jail authorities. There is somethig very aged by them, and based on the forged wrong happening inside the jail, and we documents, 8 people were supposed to be have to find out the real position. Even released from Tihar. In this affair, 5 people the Delhi Police and Delhi Administration could not be successful and 2 were success- are out and out to malign the Government, ful and later on one wass apprehended. I who are out and out in conspiracy to let am surpised to know how such things could down the Government in every matter. happen. It had happened in 1979. This That we should find out with iron hand. Tihar incident of the professional expertise, If you fail to do it, I am sorry to say that operating there, is not a matter of today. our conscience will not be excused by this It is an organised conspiracy. I think, House. History shows that how the Delhi they should have a well-built-in infrastruc- Administration and ihe jail authorities ture and they could also have the coopera- allowed Charles Sobhrraj to meet anybody. tio n of the international experts as to how Who is he ? Is he a Constitutional maker 285 Dis. Re •. Escape of PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 286

of India. Who is he 7 He will meet the case in jails, especially in Tihar. I say everybody pnd give stories—ihe man who this with authority. Let him check up the escaped from Greece, the man who was log book. There are a few persons, four or supposed to be hanged. Why have you five, who always want duty on a particular shifted him from Jail-1 to Jail-3 7 What day in particular hours and they do not prompted this action 7 These are matters allow any other person to be on duty at to be explained in detail. that time. Why is it so 7 It is all organized, and this thing goes on. Nobody goes I am glad for the first time in India deep into what is happening. you have arrested the jail authorities. I thank the Government for that ; Govern- My third suggestion is about training. ment has shown courage in this. 1 wish all In Parliament you have introduced the sys- the State Government follow it. I am not tem of having a Refresher Course or bringing politics into it. In most of the Orientation Course for the new Members of States such things are happening in jails, Parliament. Everybody is getting training but bccause they are not situated in Delhi, to meet new kinds of situation. But the things arc not being discussed. It is happe- people who manage the jail are not being ning in almost every jail. These criminals, trained ; they do not know the latest smugglers, all these people have formed mechanizm or the latest devices, the various themselves into a gang, and inside the jail kinds of devices, used for escaping. They you cannot do anything. The poor Jailor know only this much : ‘I am to stand on and the Jail Superintendent have either to the tower and if I find somebody scaling the share the booty or to keep mum. They wall, then I will have to ring the bell ; that cannot do anything. An organized Mafia is all'*. There is no training given. Films gang is operating among the jail employees. are not shown to them. I do not think the This is what is happening. jail authorities bother to see what films are there, what devices arc used in the modern I will make three suggestions. Sugges- world. Their only interest is whether booty tion one is in regard to the Tihar Jail. For will come or not. the others, I am not making any suggestion now ; the State Governments have to be Now I come to sweetmeats and other consullted as to what are the problems they things. This is my charge against the jail are faced with. In Tihar, if within a week authorities. Please enquire. So far as I you do not changc the whole lot, you can know, the Jail Manual clearly states that no food or no gift from outside, uot even not root out the chain of corrpution. Num- ber two is, you introduce jail intelligence a piece of cloth, can be entertained for any service system. You accuse the Commissio undrrtrial or convict unless it is specially certified and sanctioned by the jail authori- ner of Police of Delhi when an undertrial goes out. But have you given any authority ties. I want to know, on what day when to the Commissioner of Police to visit the sweets and fruits were distributed, who jail once in a week and see whether in the was the duty officer in charge of the jail and whether he g2ve permission or not. Please jail where the undertrials die staying arran- also enquire on how many occasions such gements are safe and proper so that they things have happened in the past. All cannot escape 7 You have not given him these thing! should be gone into. that authority, But when an undertrial goes out, you blame the Police. When the under- I have referred to what happened in trial is in, to see whether the arrangement 1979. I have referred to what happened in is safe or not, you never allow the police to 1975 ; I have referred to digging of tunnel9. visit the jail. Then I come to the jail gate Every time the matter is raised, but there duty authorities. The maia corruption lies is no follow-up. From today at least you always with the man who gives permission try to create confidence in the minds of the to enter, that is, the jail gate duty authori- people, at least in Delhi, that Government ties. I request the Minister to check up is not only determined but the Government from the log book. Theree are some people coming forward with some pioposals is in the country who want duty in which will help us. check-posts with heavy bribes, some people want duty in specified Police One word in the end Sir, Mr. Madhu Stations with heavy bribes. That is Dandavate with his usual satire and humour 287 Dts. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 288

[Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi] through an officer of the Food and Civil Supplies Corporation has been ordered. I tried to say that in these days, in the name bring it to the notice of the Hon. Minister of 21st century wc are believing in more Import and Charles Sobhraj is another that certainly the whole truth will not come import. This has not been started from out, if an order for Inquiry through an officer is made. Judicial enquiry must be today. Right from Galadharis it had star- immediately ordered. This is my request. ted. I am only sorry, we are not able to get out of it. I don’t know why the TV and the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobiche- Radio had not given a flash item with ttipalayam) : Today the discussion is with regard to this news. We don't know why regard to the escape of Sobhraj and seven they had delayed it. The Minister and the Members of the Treasury Benches may others. Actually this is a dramatic escape and the best thriller of the 20th century. better be knowing the reasons. I will go to the extent of saying that even It is apparent that Sobhraj had a in ‘007’ films or in ‘Great Escape' we have considerable amount of influence among not seen such a thriller as Sobhraj has done the prisoners and also the inmates. That in Tihar Jail. itself shows how Sobhraj escaped from We know that jails are only there for Tihar jail. Even the police sources say that the purp< se of giving training to the the prisoners who were questioned referred thieves, scoundrals and murderers in to him as Charles saab. What does it mean7 order to make them good people. But now He was just like a king inside the Tihar the jails are becoming training grounds jail. These sources say that the prisoner for the escapees. This sort of thing has to friends even visited the jail to celebrate be stopped once and for all. parties. We have to make Tihar jail into a five star hotel ! That is all we can do. We know fully well that Sobhraj is an international criminal and his character is I request the Hon. Minister to probe dubious in nature. His dramatic escape has into the matter by a judge, that too by a been possible only with the collusion of Supreme Court judge so that the truth the officers there. It is also a pre-planned comes out. one. I want to say one or two points with SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : regard to this. Without collusion and pre- Sir, basically there arc three reasons why planning it ought not have taken place in prisoners escape. The first is the nature and the day light, the structure of buildings. The second is the rampant corruption which is going on, Actually I am ashamed to say before which helps them to go out. And the third this House that even political leaders are is perhaps we don't make it a beautiful being shot dead in the day light It is not place to stay. happening from yesterday or today. It has been happening for the last two years. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have got report of Indiraji was shot dead in the day light by Justice Anand Narain Mulla made in 1980- her own security men. Afterwards we saw 83 where in his opening remarks he has Shri Lalit Maken, one of our Members, was said : shot dead in day light and then Shri Oonchi Diwaron ke peechhe Longowal was shot dead in the day light. Lohe ki salaakhon ke andar }j Such is the crime. Rehte hain mukafil kuchh tnsaan Sobhraj who is an international Insaan jo nahin, ek ginti hain criminal has escaped fmm the clutches of Voh din akhir kab ayega the officers from Tihar jail, It is actually a Jab bad leg a yeh mausam dhaam failure in enforcing the jail rules. If the Kuchh bekas ruhen das lagaye jail rules had been enforced strictly, it Umra ki gharian ginti hain. ' ought not have happened. Because of the Perheps this does not appty to Sobhraj- failure of enforcing the jail rules, Sobhraj He was not believing in all these things He has escaped. was a captain of his ownf jjoul and hc The Hon. Minister has come forward managed to escape in his own way. Now, to make a statement saying that an inquiry we have to think something for the future. 289 Dis. Re : Escape o f PHAL^-UNA 28. 1907 (SAK'I) Pri-oKsr, from Tihar Jail 290

As has already been pointed out I wonder observations in rcspect of the whole why Doordarshan did not cooperate in this structure of buildings. That has to be regard. If they had flashed the photographs reviewed. Maybe there are other reasons urgently perhaps in some locality sonic also. I would like to quote another aspect. persons could have been apprehended. This Committee has also given recommen- Further even when this first escapee, Dinesh dations of kinds of prisons that should be Kumar, surrendered the news was given set up in this country. They have said about with fourth or fifth title. Even a minor four kinds of orisons, viz. special security news on Bulgaria was given more impor- prisons, maximum security prisons, medium tance than this news. When people in the security prisons and minimum security whole country were anxious to know—if prisons. Henceforth when we structure our someone was caught or surrendered, this prisons for the purpose of reforming the Bhould have been made known to the people entire structure then these things should be immediately. So, this is the response which considered as reformable prisoners have to media gives. It is very unfortunate. be segregated form those who cannot be reformed so that a different treatment Sir, it has been said that some can be given. committee should be appointed. I want to say even if a committee is appointed, it SHRI BALWANT SINQH RAMOO- should deal only with the limited aspect of WALIA (Sangrur) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, much security because this whole report of Justice has been said about the escape of Sobhraj Mulla . deals exhaustively with all the and the jolt which the country has felt out aspects of prison reforms. There is no need of that. for another committee to go into all these matters. At the outset I would urge upon the Government that the jail reforms are much Another aspect that has to be consid- overdue. No facilities are available to the ered is the legislation aspect. It is aftcrall common prisoners, or undertrials in the the structure of the prisons that counts. At jnls. but every concession and every present the prisons are regulated by old privilege is available and enjoyed by the legislations, viz., Prison Act, 1894; Prison hard corc criminals in the Tihar and other Act, 1900; Transfer of Prisoners Act, 1950 jails. and Civil Jails Act, 1874. These are the legislations under which we govern our Sobhraj's action in making the jail staff prisons. We speak of jail manuals. 1 do not unconsious or scmi-consious has at least know what force the jail manuals have made the conntry conscious and cautious got. If tomorrow we would like to to look in to the day-to-day happenings in charge officers responsible for the escape Tihar and other jails in the country. This then they may contend that there were connivance of the jail authorities with the guidelines which are not enforceable by hard core and notorious criminals has law. Therefore, we should have a conso- given an opportunity to the hon. Minister lidated legislation for the country on of Internal Security to take effective steps prisons which is enforceable and not merely in order to implement the improvements in recommendatory. the jail structure.

Now a word about the prison buildings, Much has been said about how Sobhraj namely, the structure of the prisons. This was enjoying in the jail; girl friends were committee has widely commented that coming to his cell; food and other facilities according to the statistics collected by the were provided to him; there was no bar on committee 23 prison buildings in the the meetings, coming and going of his country are more than 125 years old friends, relatives and men cfhisging in the whereas 183 are about 100 ycais old. It jail. This has. in fact, given us an opportu- appears that financial constraints have nity to doubt the functioning of the always restricted the work of renovation of intelligence agencies in the country When existing prisons and setting up of new such occurrences were taking place in the buildings Consequently the prisons almost jail, where had the intelligence people gone? in every State suffer from periodic and They could not report about this matter to functional over-crowding. These are the the mighty Minister for Internal Securityt 291 Dis. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 292

[Shri Balwant Singh Ramoowalia] But, not a single undertrial or a prisoner is given the same quantity that has been who can claim—1 have all the appreciation prescribed Bulk of these foodgrains, wood, for him—that he minutely studies all the etc. are sold outside. Incidentes, all the occurrences throughout the country even in ?un)3b...OnterrUP ^ons)- Fifthly, crime is being nourished in Yes, he is helpful in our problem; he think Tihar Jail, especially in the case of boys the Punjab problem as a national problem; who are below the age of 18 or 17. The jail he has sympathy for Punjab and Punjab at authorities have established their own the moment needs sympathy and support kingdom in the jail. and that he is giving. While concluding, I will request the The incident occurred only at a distance hon Minister to look into the implementa- of about 4 kms from the North Block. tion of further reforms under the prevailing This fact has further given a jolt that if situation and also to conduct a study of such a thing can happen in the capital, the problems of the jail inmates. Secondly, more bigger things can happen outside the a judicial inquiry should be ordered to capital. have a check in future, so as to prevent such occurrences in future. I would also There are four or five things which like to suggest that a Committee of this need to be considered by the hon. Minister. House must be sent to the jail to study the Mr. Speaker, Sir. you had been in the jail total functioning of the jail. during freedom struggle, or some other times during some morchas or agitations, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : But, they should be allowed to come out ! I have also remained in this jail for one and a half months in 1971. I do not know SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : what is the state of affairs. Some of them may as well be kept there ! THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- WALTA : With these few words, I RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : Any infor- conclude. mation that he can give is welcome.

MR. SPEAKER : Yes, from his [Translation] persona] knowledge. SHRI ZAINUL BASHER (Ghazipur) : SHRI BALWANT SINGH RAMOO- Mr, Speaker, Sir, the jail department is the WALIA : I am giving you ibis information most neglected one under the Central as well based on my personal experience and on as the State Governments. Whereas new the spot study at that time. scientific methods have been adopted in the A factory is manufacturing certain police department and other departments for detecting crimes and apprehending criminals articles in the jail. They are being sold to the jails are still devoid of such facilities. their favourite people by the jail authorities. The foodgrains produced on the farm Even now the jails are being maintained in 'are also being sold at cheap rates and the an obsolete manner and no scientific method money is grafted. has been adopted to know the goings on of all the cells at one place. If T.V. chan- Sir, people who come to meet their nels are installed in jails, the report of all next of kin or friends who are in the jail or the cells would be compiled at one place who may be undertrials, they are compelled through visual facility. This will facilitate to pay money. The Deputy Superintendent- the maintenance of jails. in-charge, in those days, used to collect at Sir, outside jails, both the poor and the least Rs. 500/- per day, from the people rich live as equal citizens of the society, bu^ who come to meet the inmates. in the jails, where it is expected that the Fourthly, there is a market of food- prisoners, whether they are rich or poor, grains. wood, mustard oil, gram, vegetables, will be treated alike according to the law, etc. They are supplied to all the undertrials such thing is non-existent. In the jails, the in Tihar jail and a fixed scale is prescribed, rich and the poor prisoners live in different 293 Dis. Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SACA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 294

ways. On the one hand, there is a large jails for their efficient functioning, because number of poor prisoners who live in quite they are experienced people and their dedi- miserable conditions and on the other hand cation, integrity and dutifulness have already there are prisoners like Charles Sobhraj the been proved. In this way, employment smugglers, members of notorious gangs and could be provided to ex-servicemen and dacoits uho are enjoying, as Shri Dandava- such incidents will also not recur. With teji has said, facilities of a Five Star Hotel. this suggestion, I conclude. There are a number of such prisoners who SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH do not escapc from jails only because they (Jahanabad) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are have no desire to do so. If they want to discussing the incident of the Tihar Jail. I escape from jails, most of them can do so do not agree to it that a very serious inci- at eny time. There may be a number of dent has taken place. You must have read reasons for which they do not want to in the newspapers some days back that this eseape from jails. Jail-breaking is not a man was trying to escape and he would do new thing in India. In big countries of the so by feigning illness In spite of all this world, where jails are being maintained in having appeared in the newspapers, the a scientific manner, incidents of jail-brcak- Government machinery remained inactive ing do take place. There the and the man escaped. Just now it has been prisoners are also quite advanced. Their said that scientific techniques should be planning and methods are also advanced. adopted. But it is not a question of The prisoners escape from jails even in the adopting scientific techniques. The USA, Germany and Britain. But in our question is of low salaries that are paid for country, old methods are being followed for the staff of the jails. If some prisoner keeping the prisoners in jails and that is offers them four times the amount that they why it is not very difficult for them to escape. receive from the Government then whom If they do not cscape...... (Interruptions) will they obey ? I was also sent to jail ten or twelve times by the Bihar Government MR. SPEAKER : Should it be made and I had seen that the rich people who more easy...... had committed crimes like murder or rape were given ample facilities during their stay (Interruptions) in the jails. That shows that there is rampant corruption in the jails with the backing SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : You know of money and whoever is offered money, how they are kept in the jails and how they he provides them with all the facilities. And remain in collusion with the officials of the even if such facts are published in the jails. The hon. Minister Shri Arun Nehru newspapers, neither the Central Government is very efficient. What to speak of the nor the State Governments pay any atten- Tihar Jail, he can go to any jail and see for tion to them. The jail is supposed to be a himself how the hardened criminals live place where the people feel that the pri- there and what facilities they are enjoying soners live a life that is worse than that of unhindered. If they want to escape from animals, but I can say honestly that some jails, they can do so. If they are not escap- notorious criminals lead a life of pleasure ing from jails, they are doing so at their in the jails. Leading a life of pleasure will. I have, therefore, to say that there is means that they enjoy all sorts of comforts. much scope for streamlining the functioning I have seen it with my own eyes. Even their of jails. Scientific methods should be adop- wives are allowed to meet them and they ted in improving the condition of jails. spend hours together in privacy. It is a Like airports and other places, television matter of disgrace for our Government that circuits should be installed in the jails to they have not been able to improve the watch the inside activities from one place. condition of jails. 1 would like to suggest that the administration of the jails should be entrusted to the As regards Charles Sobhraj, he used to ex-servicemen. No attention is paid to- offer money to the jail staff and they acted wards the administration of jails which is as his servants. The jail staff only did their being run on obsolete lines. The cx-servi- duty. It has also appeared in today’s news- cemen and ex-officials should be entrusted papers that he was shifted from the cell with the work of the administration of allotted to him to a different cell. Hence, 295 Dis. R e: Escape o f MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar Jail 296

[Shri Ramashray Prasad Singhil international gangs may be active in our everything was well-planned and the offi- country because the way in which the cials of the jail must have received a lot of narcotic drugs and arms are being smugg- mony for this work. I have seen some jail led into this country and are being supplied officials who had constructed buildings to the extermists, we cannot deny that some worth five lakhs of rupees at Gaya( within other international gangs are also active here. two years of their being posted there. They want to create chaos and thus weaken 1 would like to ask how could they the country. They must have helped Charles got so much of money 7 And if they get so Sobhraj to escape. We must think much of money why should they obey your on these lines and I think in orders ? So, the question is who protects the situation that we are facing such notorious criminals and smugglers ? at present this event must not be considered Obviously, it .is the officials who protect them. in isolation but has to be linked with All the politicians ire in collusion with other events and .the entire issue must be them. Telephone calls are made from h:re seriously looked into. You have suspended that such and such criminals should be w-.il the supjrintendant of the Tihar Jail on the attended because they would be a source of suspicion that he was in collusion with great help to them on their release. So, them, From this we can hope that you will all these things must be looked into. If be able to get some definite information judicial inquiry is held only then the truth after cross-examining him. will come out and it would be known who \ never had any regard for the Delhi are the people involved in this incident, whether it is some cabinet Minister or some- police, but after this event, after the escape body else. of these criminals, the way in which the Delhi police had sent information, the way SHRI HARISH RAWAT fAlmora) : they spread their net all around and the Mr. Speaker, Sir, Prof. Madhu Dandavate promptness with which they acted and and other hon. members have thrown much sealed off some areas, has created a lot of light on the turn of events in the Tihar J.iil regard for them in my mind. Now it seems during the last few days and on how that Charles Sobhraj will not be able to .Charles Sobharj and his accomplices esca- cscape from this country and will surely be ped from there. In fact, Tihar jail has caught and punished. becomc the ccntre of undesirable happenings and irregularities during the past some time Sir, 1 would like to give two or three and the way in which inhuman and disgrace suggestions, through you. My first sugges“ ful activities have been going on there, tion is that the police and the intelligcnce serious consideration should be given to it. If agencies should get an opportunity once in such things can happen in Delhi then we a month or once in two months to verif^ can easily imagine the situation in other the prisoners* conduct in those jails whcre States. international criminals are kept, In those jails where such notorious criminal9 A few days back it had appeared in the are kept, there is every like- newspapers that some extremists had esca- lihood that they may hatch cons- ped from the jail at Gurdaspur in Punjab. piracies in collusion with other criminals Those extremists were accused of spreading and may also train the other criminals. violence. There was another news report Therefore, my suggestion is that the regarding Punjab that some exteremists had right to verify their conduct should be looted an armoury there. These events can- included in the Police Manual. My second not be viewed in isolation. The^havc to be suggestion is that the entire countiy should seen as links in the same chain. have a uniform jail manual so that the The hon. Minister of State in the Mini- police and the intelligcnce agencies may be stry of Home Affairs and the Minister of able to look into the working of the jails State in the Department of Internal Secu- from time to time. My third suggestion is rity are present here. I would like to submit that the staff working inside a jail should unto them that Charles Sobhraj had connec- not be allowed to remain in the same tions with an international criminal gang and jail for a long time, because, it has been had committed horrible crimes in other observed that wherever the prisoners rema- countries also. It is possible that some in for a long time, they develop amity and 297 Dis. Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 298 brotherhood with the staff of that jail. the systems, the jail authorities and secu- This fact we have seen in the jails of Uttar rity agencies. That is why when faced with Pradesh. Wherever the criminals remain for a very dangerous, deadly but brilliant— a long time, there they develop amity and give the devil its due—international crimi- brotherhood with the jail staff and because nal with an inflexible will, this Government of this reason the people in those villages has been pulverised. to which the jail staff belong are afraid of them as notorious criminals are imprisoned Sir, he took away six criminals ! I there. Therefore, 1 would like to suggest shudder to imagine this thing : He spared that no staff should be allowed to remain Satwant Singh there ! What would have in one jail for a long timj. The police and happened if ihis birthday party had ended jail employees shoud be mutually transferr- in the disappearance of late Prime Mini- ed. From time to time the jail staff shou- ster's assassin ? Can y. u imagine that 7 ld be transferred to the police force and Charles Sobhraj was no ordinary crimi- the police staff should be nal. It is a well known fact that he was transferred to jails so that they may not wanted in Thailand for murder, Jrug able to establish harmony with the ever traffic in Nepal, for murder in Turkey, criminals. Greece, France, Germany and sd on, for numerous crimes. This high valued but Sir, I also share the concern that has dangerous prisoner of Tihar required spe- been expressed by other hon. Members in cial security Was that security provided this august House and i hope that the commensurate with the ramifications of this criminals who have escaped would be caught prisoner and his gangs ? Tnat is the ques- soon. tion we have to address ourselves. [English] Others have narrated miny tales on the SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISilNAN (Bada- question of primary jail administration and gara) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 am grateful to so on. But here I want to point out same* you for giving me this opportunity. The thing more important. He had numerous Tihar Jailbreak by Charles Sobhraj and his contacts in India. He had established accomplices, ihe criminals, is not an ordi- a business in Bombay with the son of the nary event. It is one of the most disgraceful Chairman of a construction company, who episodes with its national fame and is a friend of many Ministers. I do not infamy. want to name them now. What h*s happened to this business, I would like to know? Ten years ago, Sir, when one Deputy Not only was he a specially treated VIP Superintendent of Policc, one Mr. Tuli, prisoner, but he had many links which were nabbed him in the Vikram Hotel of Delhi, extended to people involved in espionage it made international headlines and the cases. I specifically quote a case. One entire world heaved a sigh of relief, the Swaran Rathore, wife of Capt. Ralhore Interpol, World Press, investigating agencies involved in the Samba espionage case, has all praised the Delhi Police. gone on record saying in an interview : Sir, above all, this is an indication. * Now Charles Sobhraj is taking care That was the year of crowning glory when of my daughter’s education...'* Mrs. Indira Gandhi was our Prime Minister we had a stable regime, But now, Sir, that This is in the year of grace 1986. has been truned into an hour of monumen- “He is giving Rs 300/- per month to tal failure. Sir, we have indeed travelled her.*’ a great deal since 197S. And then we did not have a pompous depattmant called 'the Why Charles picked up daughter of an Department of Internal Security*. Wc were Army officer involved in an espionage case called by little or smaller names, Ministry for this bounty? lt needs some explanation. of Home Affairs and more mundane names 1 want a specific reply to this point. Where —what have you. But now you have a De- did he get money from ? He has been an partment of Internal Security, but you under-trial prisoner for 10 years in Tibar see it is proportional to the gallopping Jail. How was it transferred every month, deterioration in the efficiency of our Police, for a lady to come forward and say publi- *299 Dis. Re : Escape o f MARCH 19, 1986 Prisoners from Tihar jail 300

[Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan] Trivandrum Airport was compelled by the cly that her daughter was being educated staff beloning to a Minister, to issue a Land- by him 7 ing Permit for 48 hours. They were received with garlands by two ruling front MLAs Not only Charles Sobhraj, but there belonging to the Muslim League and provi- are many other top ranking officers, busi- ded State cars with National Tri-colour. nessmen and highly connected individuals who formed his contact ring in the country. Accompanied by MLAs of the ruling Let us not just reduce it to a failure of front and entertained by Ministers of Kerala some petty jail officials who wjre tempted Government in State Government Guest by some sweets are petty amounts of Houses at Cochin, Calicut, Cannanore, money. It is totally a failure of our secu- with impunity they carried out anti-national rity set up. 1 am not trying to blame Mr. activities. First, the Superintendent of Arun Nehru or my great friend, Mr. Police of Ma'appuram was compelled again Mridha or anybody. It is a failure of the by Ministers to extend their stay and stamp entire system, the security set up. It is not their passports. In none of these places only confined to this case. 1 want io invite were they registered as a foreigner under the the attention of the House to a thing which Foreigners Registration Act. Then the has happened the other day in Kerala. It Collectors of Malappuram district and Cali- is again a criminal failure on the part of cut district were compelled again. So, they the Government in a related matter. wjnt staying in Governmsnt Guest Houses in Cochin, calicut and Cannanore...... Six weeks ago, a strange thing happe- (Interruptions) ned. On 29th January, 1986 two leading SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : personalities of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia— Where are they now 7 In Delhi 7 Sheikh Al Sayeed Yusuf Syed Hashim AI Rifal, Chairman of World Muslim Minority SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : They Brotherhood... have gone back now. With impunity, these anti-national traducers made a mockery of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : our security. If people can walk in and get Names of human beings ! out like this anywhere and they get treated like this, the question that 1 want to ask SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : And is whether it is Charles Sjbharj who walks Anwar Yakub Rifal—landed in Trivandrum out of tne jail or Rifal brothers who by an Abu Dhabi flight. The entry of these land here, what are our security agencies very persons had been banned by the Home doing ? What were they doing during these Ministry vide Circular No. 44/85 and 45/85 fifteen days when they were here 7 Who is dated 12.7.85 in charge 7 As I said, we have acquired a SHRL SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : new name, a very pompous name of Inter- Which Ministry 7 nal Security, but what is the securiiy that we have 7 Whether it is Charles or Rifals SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : By or so many others, whoever is violating our Home Ministry. The Order said that even frontiers or violating our laws, is posing a if they had valid documents, detain them ; great threat to security. they arc not to proceed. Now, they have been identified by his Ministry as well as PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla) : by the Ministry of External Affairs as belo- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will hot make a long nging to a group carrying on vicious anti- speech but what has happened at Tihar Jail national propaganda against India, against is something sickening because this incident the former Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira has brought a bad name to the country. Gandhi, against Indian politicians by name, Whichever Department is concerned, 1 do the opposition parties, everybody. He was not know—Mr. Unnikrishnan has raised a put on the category of Alert-Prior Refer- question whether it is the Union Home ence category. Ministry as a whole or it is the Department of Internal Security—but I would plead for When these Rifals landed, they had no a very deterrent action against the people Indian Visas but the Immigration Officer of who have brought bad name to the country 301 DU Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 302

particularly when the atmosphere is charged received the message by 8-30 P M and Bom- in the country and there is a sense of inse- bay did not receive the message directly ; curity. I am happy that the Government it received the messape through Jaipur. has straightaway registered a case of cons- What is the reason ? Because, Bombay of piracy aginst the jail officials. I feel it was all the cities in India was very much impor- a conspiracy because I do not subscribe to tant, bccause, it was at Bombay in 1971 the view that the officials were drunk and in 1976 that Sobhraj was apprehen- and they fell unconscious. They must ded. have fallen unconscious but they must have been a part of the conspiracy...... Then the second question is this : The ( Interruptions). incident occurred at 2-30 P M. The Central Police Control Room in Delhi got the MR. SPEAKER : According to plan, message at 3-40 P M. Why this delay ?

PROF. SA1FUDDIN SOZ : Shobhraj The third thing is th»s: Sobhraj was book- is a character like that. I do not know ed for petty crimes, although he belonged to how the jail authorities at Tihar were and he was working, for international Mafia negligent of their duty. I heard Mr. Madhu dealing in drugs. He was not an ordinary Dandavate*s speech. He has explained criminal or an ordinary smuggler. in detail how the officials at Tihar jail have exhibited dereliction of duty. And Sir, I am finishing within a minute. Mr. Unnikrishnan has added a dimension. Fourthly, Sobhraj has been a *• Now, the Government says they know it was a conspiracy but they are goinq to look I should not have used this term in this into it through an official. Here I support august House. But this fact was known to Mr. Madhu Dandavate that there should authorities. the Tihar jail His girlfriends be a first rate judicial inquiry. When I used to come to that jail. explain “first rate” , with the permission of the hon. Speaker, T raise the question that this case must be looked into by a Judge MR. SPEAKER : It will not form part who is known widely for his integrity. I of the record. do not cast any aspersions *on Judges as a PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Is there any class. record about that ? Fifthly, there is an Ajay Kumar, an under-trial. He walks out 18.00 hrs of the jail with Sobhraj although he had to But whenever you appoint some time a suffer the jail term for another two months judge in whom people do not repose trust, or more. eyebrows are raised. There are some judges who are known for their pliability. There- MR. SPEAKER : It is expunged. fore it must be a judge who is widely res- pected in the country for his integrity and it must be a judge who loves Tndia better PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ : Why does he move out ? Then ASP Shri Yadav says than anything else, more than anything that the jail break occurred at 10-30 A M. else. What is the version of Mohd. Atiq who has MR, SPEAKER : It is okay, cooperated with the jail authorities and refused to move out ? The Government PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ : Now. Sir, should have made a statement on this. So far as I said, I will not have to make a longish as timing is concerned, now ASP says it is speech. I have some questions in my mind 10-30 A.M. Your first information report which I will briefly narrate. says, it is 2-30 P.M. One question is this : MR. SPEAKER : It is okay. Why is it that our international airports received message of the mishap after PROF SAIFUDDIN SOZ : And now great delay, particularly Bombay ? Bombay what is the version of Mr. Mohd Ariq ?

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[Prfo. Saifuddin Soz] scale and all the criminals who are involved Sobharj was moved to low security area. in this trade live in these guest houses and What is the reason ? operate from there,

MR. SPEAKER : All those points have I have visited many jails The inspec- been covered. tors of the jails say that what guarantee if there for their own lives. They say that is PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Finally, Mr. the criminals escape or are granted bail they Dinesh Kumar comes and surrenders before destroy the members of their families and, the jail authorities. I feel that it is a part therefore, what is the guarantee for their of the conspiracy probably Sobhraj wants to families 7 Therefore, some arrangements distract our attention to Dinesh Kumar and must be made for the security of the this may be a part of the conspiracy. So, membere of the families of the jail finally. Sir, everything will come out if the inspectors. Government comes forward within a day and announces a first-rate judicial enquiry, as I have explained. What I am going to say next is a very serious matter. You have just now said that when the news readers of All India [Translation] Radio and T. V. were reading their news DR. G. S. RAJHANS (Jhanjhar- bulletins, at that time some outsider pur) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, after hearing my intruded into their cabin. If tomorrow friends from the Opposition, I was thinking some outsider intrudes in to the newsrea- that had I come across Sobhraj somewhere, der's cabin while he is reading the news I would have told him that our friends bulletin on Radio or T. V., and after were missing him badly: that it did not pushing him aside, begins broadcasting behove him to escape like a thief; that he himself then what will happen to the ran away two days earlier otherwise these country 7 I will say that this is a matter of friends would have taken him out in a grave concern and must be given a serious procession; they would have taken him to thought. Bihar from Tihar Jail and made him the leader of the revolutionary march... [English] (Interruptions)

[English] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE JN THE Vere bad. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (Interruptions) RAM NJWAS MIRDHA): Sir, 1 have heard AN HON. MEMBER : What does he very carefully and with great attention what mean by that ? (Interruptions) Prof. Dandevate and other hon. Members have said on this incident, the most regret- [T anslation] table incident of jail break that took place DR. G. S. RAJHANS: I would say right here in Delhi. The concern expressed cnly one ihirg. Ycu till were surprised by the hon. Members is very much when Sobhraj had escaped from the Tihar justifiable and I fully share it and I can Jail but the newspapermen were not at all very well understand and appreciate all the surprised. Many people know that Sobhraj feelings, all the thoughts and all the reac- used to entrlain many pe pie and provide tions of the hon. Members on a subject financial support to many others. It is which is of the highest importance so for openly said ihat he used to bear the entire as security in this particular case, as also household expenses of the people who were the wider aspect of security are concerned. apprchcned in the Samba Spy Case. It is all the more serious because it involves a person of international notoriety like Due to lack of time I would like to Sobhraj. The incident of this nature would, make only one or two suggestions. First, in any case, have been a serious one, but the guest houses functioning in the residen- since a person like Sobhraj is involved, it tial areas should be closed down. In Delhi, takes on a much added significance and narcotic drug trade is carried on on a large much added ramificatioas which have and J05 D ls.Re : Escape o f PHALGUNA 28, 1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 306 through you, the House that the Govern- Government was before the Supreme Court ment does n3t take the incident lightly. On and therefore, we could not extradite him. the other hand, we take it very seriously and we can assure you. Sir, that we will do SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : all on our part to see that this thing does Was there any stay order ? not recur and we take lessons from this SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : Well, incident. Sir, I have the Extradition Act before me The incident took place on 16th. The which says that if there are any such Delhi Police control room was alerted, proceedings pending, we cannot extradite they informed all the State Governments, him. This is a legal matter and we could and the Airports, the Interpol informed the not have extradited him while the proc- foreign governraeats and very expeditious eedings are going on in the Supreme Court. action was taken. As 1 just mentioned, (Interruptions) Dinesh Kumar was arrested on the 17th PROF MADHU DANDAVATE : I and-.. want one information. Did the U. P. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Surrendered. Government intervene and urge that this should not be implemented ? SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : He came to the jail. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : There are a large number of cases pending against AN HON. MEMBER : And then him. He has bccc acquitted on some of surrendered. them. The U.P. Government has gone to SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : He the Supreme Court and a Special Leave felt ashamed that he was not arrested. Petition is filed. They do not want him go scot-free. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : He was arrested by the police. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He is required to be sent to Thailand. If he (Interruptions) is hanged in Thailand, no other punishment would have been required in Uttar Pradesh PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He at all. was not arrested, he just came and embraced you. SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : There are legal provisions. This is the reason why SHIR RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : He we could not physically send him to must have felt that he has done a wrong Thailand because proceedings against him thing and was just got arrested... were pending in the Supreme Court air' (Interruptions). long as they are there, we could not take Sir, about Bhola Ram... any action otherwise.

[Translation] Now the question arises as to what action the Government has taken. A lot MR, SPEAKER : He was Simpleton by has been said that it cannot be a mere name. question of escape but a much wider collusion is there and there can be a cons- [English] piracy of big shots which can reach a large SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : ...the number of officials in the jail and outside. Delhi Police pursued him, they had some It is exactly from that point of view the information as to where he can be in Delhi Government has not only suspended but and ultimately they went to Gwalior where filed criminal cases and arrested 8 officers, he was arrested early morning today. which is unprecedented as far as I remember. The hon. Members might know Prof. Dandavate raised a very impor- better that in an administrative case of taint point as to why Sobhraj was not this nature, we have arrested those people extradited in spite of the fact that his and arraigned them for 4 offences. Section extradition proceedings were over. It is true 120 B is also added to the various offences that the extradition proceedings were over saying that they are part of the bigger cons- but a Special Leave Petition by the U. P. piracy and wc are seriously pursuing this 307 Dis, Re : Escape of MARCH~. 1m Prisoners from TilUir Jail ~

[Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha] a full-time officer and he is from the IPS investigation. This is a measure of serious- and he would be the Inspector General of ness with which the Government is looking Police in.charge of Tihar Jail. We have at this stage. We are not leaving anything decided to strengthen the jail administra- to chance. This is one reason why we will tion. We are undertaking a study of the not be able to have judicial inquiry or any security aspects of the whole thing. We have other type of inquiry because what will the introduced photo identity cards for the staff inquiry say. They will say a lot of people have We are strearnling the procedure for visi tors. been implicated. We ourselves say that they I agree with the hon. Members that on Sun- been implicated. it is not only w~ say, but days there can be no visitors. There are we have reigstered a case and invest igation. rules prohibiting taking food from outside. is on. Evidence will be taken and everyone All that have been contravened. They have involved in whatever way would be brought been contravened. Otherwise these things to book. We can assure this to the House. would not have happened. We are trying Therefore. we have taken a very serious step to plug all the loopholes that have come and the House should feel assured that it is before us in this way. And we are trying with a measure of seriousness th is case has to see what we can do. been taken up. Well. Tihar is a very overcrowded The other point was that it is a routine Jail. It is under-staffed and we have been administrative inquiry and it would not be trying to improve things. We wou Id build a sort of substitue for a bigger inquiry of a new one also, as I just mentioned. We the nature suggested, It is an administra- have acquired Iand in Shahdara, more than tive inquiry which would take its own 75 acres of land. We have put Rs. 2.5 course. But the seriousness ot' the crores in the plan to build a new jail. We situation' is reflected from th; fact arc conscious of the fact that this is a very that. we have registered a case against these over-crowded jail and we will try to shift people. in the conspiracy case and w,; will there as soon as possible. pursue it from that point of view. It is A number of things were mentioned exactly from that point of view, a number about jail reform. Naturally. a debate of of points have been raised. a number of this nature leads us to a much wider reports have come in the newspaper. I feel aspect of jail reforms which are in them- that though I have some facts which r can selves highly complica ted but. at the same lay before the House. I think, this would time, a very important aspect for considera- prejudice the investigation and enquiry tion. which is going on. Therefore. I will not mention the various incidents about which For the upgradation of the jail admini- the hon. Members wanted to konw. stration and special establishment of new jail buildings, the 8th Finance Commission As regards the wider Issues of what we provided Rs. 137 crores to the various propose to do in the future. about the States. We presume they must have used Chawla Commission. and somebody' men- it for the purpose they have given. In this tioned about the Mulla Commission, I Plan also, Home Ministry itself has made would like to say something. First 'of all. a provision for Rs. 50 crores which is avai- what we propose to do is, to appoint a lable to us in the next four years for givins full-time Inspector General of Police (Pri- to the, State Governments on a matching sons) for Tinar. We have appointed .today basis so that they can also improve theie right away a senior IPS officer Up till now jail administration and jail buildings etc. DC was ex-officio Inspector General of Police (Prisons). WI! think, that this is not On jail reforms, Chawla report was a proper situation, A full-time senior mentioned. A number of recommendations officer should be in-charge of it and we have been made there. Some of them appointed him. have been in active form. Juvenile offenders have been segregated. Women priso- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: l.G. ners have already been segregated. They of Prisons will be under him 1 suggested some trades etc. to be taught to SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : . He them. We have also done that. We have would be the LG. (Prisons): Now. the DC taken in hand a number of small but is ex-officio I.G. (P). Now there would be important reforms that they suggested, E m Dis. Re: Escape of PHALGUNA 28,1907 (SAKA) Prisoners from Tihar Jail 311)

I agree with the hon. Members that the matter, if I may be permitted to answe. question of jail reforms should be lone I think what the hon. Member mentioned into in a much thorough way, whatever is quite right in terms of the facts regard- reports that are availabe to us, not only ing entry. We had sent the orders out. We for Tihar but the ja iI administration as a are investigating it. We will revert in that whole in the country. We go to them and matter. gather ideas about jail intelligence, about SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Very the training of personnel, the recruitment good. of new men, the ex-servicemen, we keep all these things in view. SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : I have to mention about two things. Number one, I can assure you once again and about Half-an-Hour Discussion which was through you the whole House that we have to follow, We would like to take up this taken up this matter very serious Iy and we tomorrow. will do everything in our power to set things right not only in Tihar but in other MR. SPEAKER: Yes, if the House so jails also. desires.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: By SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: There the time of our discussion, is that criminal was supposed to be a discassion on terro- arrested? rist activities. PROF. MADHU DANDVATE: Take MR. SPEAKER: I do not know. up the Maharashtra Governor issue SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Badagara:) tomorrow. What about the points I raised? SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: Since we have already discussed and the Opposi- SHRI I)OMNATH eHA TTERJEE : tion has also wanted that it should be taken Keralawala, up latter on, I think we can take it up latter on. MR. SPEAKER: That will take care of that also. MR. SPEAKER: If the House so desires, I have no objection. Okay we shal l take it SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I also up sometime later on. asked about people who were visiting him and who were getting money regularly from 18.18 brs. Shobraj. The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleve n of the Clock on Thursday, March 20,1986/ SHRI ARUN NEHRU : About Kerala Phalguna 29, 1907 (Saka)