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Interview No. 19.1 University of Texas at El Paso ScholarWorks@UTEP Combined Interviews Institute of Oral History 1972 Interview no. 19.1 Chris P. Fox Follow this and additional works at: https://scholarworks.utep.edu/interviews Part of the Cultural History Commons, Oral History Commons, Social and Behavioral Sciences Commons, and the Social History Commons Recommended Citation Interview with Chris P. Fox by Leon C. Metz and Ed Hamilton, 1972, "Interview no. 19.1," Institute of Oral History, University of Texas at El Paso. This Article is brought to you for free and open access by the Institute of Oral History at ScholarWorks@UTEP. It has been accepted for inclusion in Combined Interviews by an authorized administrator of ScholarWorks@UTEP. For more information, please contact [email protected]. IJNIVERSITYOF TEXAS AT EL PASO INSTITUTEOF ORAL IIISTORY I NTERVI EI{EE : Chris P. Fox( 1897- )t* -- IIITERVI EI,JER: LeonC. Metzand Ed llami]ton PRO.]ECT: El PasoHistory DATEOF INTERVTE|J:July 25, August3' September12 and26. 1972 TERMSOF USE: Unrestricted TAPEI{0. : l9A TRANSCRIPTiIO.: l9A TRAIiSCRIBER: DATETRAI,ISCRI3ED: BICGRAPHICALSYI\OPSIS OF INTERVIEI{EE: (Vice Presidentof the State National Bankin El Paso, Director of Pub'licRe'lations) Bornin El Pasoin 1097;graduated from El PasoHigh School; elected Sheriff in 1932-1942;presently with the State Nationa'lBank; known as ,'Mr. E'l paso,!. SUi'li\iARYOF IIITERVIEI.J: Biography;expansion of the city; the Rio Grande;social life and customs;neighborhoods and ethnic communities;E'l Pasoduring Prohibition" the Depression,and Worl,d War II; history of Fort B'liss. 3 112hours (3 3/4 tape speed);94 pages **Seealso No.214 Chris P. Fox by LeonC- Metz July 25, 1972 I{: trlhatin the world doesChris P. Fox stand for? I alwaysthought it was for Christopher,but someonesaid no, jt ajn't Christopher. F: Wel1,my mother was a Hollander. Shewas born in Amsterdam.My father waswith the DutchEast Indies Companybefore he wastransferred over here. Thename Christiaan'is prominent jn the family; andthe middle injtial, P., is for Petrus,commonly known as Peter. AndFox... My father wasborn in Milwaukee.His father wasborn in Germany'as was his mother. But, his father andmother married over in this country and the namel.las Fuchs. M: This is your grandfather? r. Mypaternal grandfather. Whenhe finishedcollege over there, veterinarian school'in Europe(they usedto call themhorse doctors then), whyhe was at the ripe ageof 21, wherethey wereefigible to go into the Army. Therewas no request,no horsefeathersabout jt. 21 yearsold--booml In the Army-- if you werebreathing. M: This js in Germany? F: Yes. So he decjdedto the contraryand slippedout of there through Belgu'im,I think, andwound up with relatjves in ltlilwaukee.Later on he marrjedmy grandmother. I\4. Wasshe from Germany,too? F: Shewas from Germanyoriginally. But she had I ived here since a l'ittle girl, in Milwaukee. My father's namewas ChanlesAnthony Fuchs. He had a brother namedEdward 'ilalbertha Fuchs. So my father was born about a .l860. year before the Cjvil Warstarted, about M: Wherewas he born? F: In Milwaukee. He and his brother both. As time movedon, with the Civil FOX Waron and the t^lisconsinZouves, we11, their garb took after that of the FrenchZouves or equivalentof the FrenchForeign Legion--the pantaloon trousers,white boots,and all that stuff. Theyhad a lot of horsestuff jn the'ir supportelements--you know, for their supplywagons and artillery and this, that, andthe other, so they iust hada lot of horses. They neededhorse doctors, so GnandfatherFuchs had the delight of getting away from the Armyin Germanyand gett'ing in it here. M. Did he get in the Armyover here? F: Sure, the WisconsinZouves Natjonal Guard Unjt. It wastaken jnto the regularArmy forces. He got in the front of a cannonballdown in Vicksburg,Mississippi--the Battle of Vicksburg--andthat wasthe end of GrandpaFuchs. Later on, following the war by a numberof years when my father wasabout l9 or 2A, his brother EdwarddeveJoped an asthmatjc condition, so the mothergave my father and Edwardsome money and told themto go Westto see jf jt wouldhelp his condition,which it did. Theyboth remajnedout here and in later years mymaternal grandfather' Pels, wastransferred (his namewas Martin P. Pels) by the DutchEast Indies Companyto take over the operationsof the MaxwellLand Grant' whichwas a jojnt venturebetween the Britjsh andthe Dutch. It ex- tendedalong the Colorado-NewMexico border for many,many mjles, into eachterritory about20 or 30 mjles. It held great deposjtsof coa1, other mjnerals,and vast resourcesof timberand ranching' livestock raising, andagriculture. So he managedit. M: Doesanybody have records or are his recordsstill intact? F: 0h, yes; 'it wasall in his records. A womaniust wrotea bookhere a while back. Shewrote it on the MaxwellLand Grant. I havea copyat home. Shequoted my grandfather at somelength. So anyhow,in later years FOX the difficulty of getting the nameFuchs proper'ly spelled and pro- nouncedout in this westerncountry had the boyschange it to Fox. M: Was'i t changed1egal 1y? F: 0h, yes. Duringthe jnterveningyears, mymother' my sister, and I wouldhave these people from l4jlwaukee come dcwn*-these cousins of my father. Theywere all Fuchs'andwe could not quite get it straight. MyDad said, "Well, somedayI'll tel1 you all aboutit andget you fixed up." So, whenwe boughtour first automobile,we were go'ing back to Raton,New Mexico for a visit, andwe stayedovernight in SantaFe. It took us aboutfour daysto get up there with no pavedroads. Every fewmjles you stoppedand opened and closed a gate. M: Whenwas th'is, Chris? F: l9l4 or 1915. So we stayedovernight in SantaFe, andmy father to)d mymother the next mornjngat breakfastthat we wouldbe gonea few minutes,that he wouldtake us to the U.S. Courthouse.So we wentover there andmy Dad told the clerk the t'imeand date of the court's actions that he wouldlike to see, and told himwhy--he told hjmabout the name changing. Andthere jt wason the book. It said that on suchand such a date in lB79 that CharlesAnthony Fuchs and Edwardtdalbertha Fuchs petitioned the court so that thejr namebe changedto Fox, and the pe- titjon wasgranted. So that's howit cameabout. M: Theycame from Milwaukeedown to Raton,and then drifted downto El Paso? F: Yeah. In later years, after my father married, they camedown here. M: Whydjd they go to Ratoninstead of straight on acrossto California or somep'lacelike that? F: llJell, they wantedto cometo the mountaincountry, which is supposed FOX 4 to be goodfor their pulmona.ryailments. M: Aboutwhen did they leave Ratonto corneto El Paso? '1894. F: lrlell, I wouldsay about I was born here in 1897. Aboutthat time my father went to work for what was then knownas Ketelsenand Degatau. Later on it becameKrakauer, Zork and MoyeHardware Company, and it is knowntoday as Zork HardwareCompany. He was a hardwareand machinerysa'lesman and was the first manoutside of old mant^lhite of Carlsbadto go downinto the presentCarlsbad Caverns. M: tllashe sort of a spelunker or did he just happento be up there? F: No, he had his route that he trave'led. Oneday whenhe camein they told him, "Thenext time you go to Eddie(that's Carlsbadtoday), you senda telegramto Mr. Jim White a day or two ahead. Hewants to take you to a place wherehe's got a lot of bat guanoand he wantsto work up somekind of equipmentto get it out of there. To haul it out on the backof a manisn't practical andyou can't havelivestock in there to moveit out." So he got Mr. White in a buckboardand droveout to the place andmy Dadwent downwith Mr. Whiteand the bucket. He looked this placeover, andof coursethey didn't seethen... I meanthis was 'looking before any thoughtof CarlsbadCaverns. Theywere just straight aheadat this great deposit of bat guanoand made some recornmendations. Theypicked up a lift on a cable and that took care of that. M: Did your dad alwaysremain a machinerysal.esman? F: Yes; oh, yes. 'live M: Wheredid your father in El Paso? F: 0h, we lived in manyp'laces. Yousee, myfather wasquite active. His first iob in Ratonwas as a Wells Fargoagent, assistant agent, and then later on he becamean agent whenthe SantaFe camethrough here. FOX M: Whatwere the major duties? F: Well, hfs duties then weremore or less whatyou wouldcall a baggage clerk, a glorified baggageclerk. Beforethe SantaFe got to Raton,it stoppedat La Junta at that time. That's called the meeting place--LaJunta. Still it wason the mainline of the SantaFe" and it handledmoney and all of those things (valuablesand perishablesand whateverwas the order of the day). That's what it was' an express company,in other wordsr'We1lsFargo. So whenhe retired from that' in the meantimehe got himself busyand got himself an interest in build- ing a powerplant andwater works, and then resignedfrom Wells Fargo. I still havethe lantern that they gavehim when he retired. M: Is this the powerplant, water worksat Raton? F: At Raton. Andthen he got in and establisheda very thriving business called the FoxHardware Company there. Todayit's knownas Hobb'sHard- wareCompany. So along in the springtimeof 1893... in the meantime mymother and her parents, sisters, and brothers had movedto Ratonto take up headquartersthere, with the MaxwellLand Grant. Sheand my father met and they got marriedand went to Coronado,California (below SanDiego) on their honeymoon.My Dad was stretched out kind of thin here iind there, financially, in all these operat,ionswhich predicated that everyth'inghad to be alwaysgoing we1l, you know, Andbt gosh,the Panic of'93 camea1ong. Whenhe got badkoff hfa honeymoon,they were well broke. So mymother, being the couragioustype with him, whythey 'lumps took their and filed for bankruptcyvoluntarily and liquidated the best they could.
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