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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 6 November 2014 the Council Continued to Meet at Nine O'clock LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 1671 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 6 November 2014 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. 1672 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 1673 THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. 1674 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 1675 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE LAI TUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY MR KEVIN YEUNG YUN-HUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR ANDY LAU KWOK-CHEONG, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 1676 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 MEMBERS' MOTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): The meeting now resumes. Council now continues with the debate on the motion under the Legislative Council (Powers and Privileges) Ordinance. MOTION UNDER THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (POWERS AND PRIVILEGES) ORDINANCE Continuation of debate on motion which was moved on 5 November 2014 MR CHAN CHI-CHUEN (in Cantonese): Good morning, President. This morning, the Chief Secretary Carrie LAM followed "689" to Shenzhen for the Hong Kong/Guangdong Cooperation Joint Conference. Therefore, it is the acting Chief Secretary for Administration Mr Matthew CHEUNG who is sitting on the side designated for officials. If Carrie LAM had been sitting here, she would only have played the role of a human recorder but now, she has been replaced by another human recorder who is more professional. The script was handed to the Chief Secretary Carrie LAM by the Chief Executive's Office and then passed on to Secretary Matthew CHEUNG ― the acting Chief Secretary ― this morning. Please do not expect him to address any queries of Members in his reply later. From this, we can see that the SAR Government is totally unfazed by this motion moved by Ms Claudia MO under the Legislative Council (Powers and Privileges) Ordinance (P&P Ordinance). They are all out of town because they know very well the motion will be vetoed. President, it would be better if we can wait till Carrie LAM and "689" come back before we handle this motion, rather than discussing it today. So, I first ask for a headcount under Rule 17(2). PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members back to the Chamber. (While the summoning bell was ringing, Dr CHIANG Lai-wan stood up) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Dr CHIANG Lai-wan, what is your point? LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 1677 DR CHIANG LAI-WAN (in Cantonese): I would like to ask if Members can place on their desks various kinds of decorations, such as toy figures, lamps, and so on? If they cannot, or if it is stipulated that the decorations placed must be related to the question under discussion, how then is that yellow lamp which Mr CHAN Chi-chuen placed on the desk related to this question being discussed? Thank you. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, how is that object which you are displaying related to this question? MR CHAN CHI-CHUEN (in Cantonese): President, this is not a lamp, but a yellow umbrella representing "I want genuine universal suffrage", with eight banners bearing "I want genuine universal suffrage" attached to it. This is closely related to this issue of LEUNG Chun-ying which we have to discuss today. President, you did not interfere yesterday when we opened the umbrellas. If Dr CHIANG Lai-wan wants to know the reason, I can spend some time to explain to her when I deliver my speech afterwards. This is all I have to say in reply. President, you can make a ruling. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN, your reply just now failed to relate the object which you have displayed to the question of this debate. Members can of course claim that all current matters pertaining to public policies, governance, livelihood and the economy are related to universal suffrage, but I consider the relationship to be too far-fetched. Objects displayed by Members should be directly related to the question of the debate. Although I did not interfere with the objects displayed by Members in the Chamber yesterday, it did not mean that their act complied with the Rules of Procedure. MR CHAN CHI-CHUEN (in Cantonese): President, I respect your ruling. In that case, I will put it back on the desk when I come to the related topic in my speech later. You can then rule again if my speech is related to it. (While the summoning bell was ringing, Ms Claudia MO stood up) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Ms Claudia MO, what is your point? 1678 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 6 November 2014 MS CLAUDIA MO (in Cantonese): President, I would like to make use of this time to carry out a survey. I went through the notes which I took down yesterday and discovered that Mr WONG Ting-kwong mentioned the umbrella movement in his speech. Mr CHAN Kam-lam even pointed out that an Australian reporter was the first to reveal that LEUNG Chun-ying accepted $50 million without declaring, and that the reporter appeared in Admiralty and the Umbrella Square below. They discussed these but no one said that they had digressed from the subject. Since we have the word "umbrella" mentioned, why is the umbrella decoration displayed by Mr CHAN Chi-chuen not accepted? PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Ms MO, whether or not the content of a Member's speech constitutes the reason for any object he or she displays hinges on the specific relationship between the two. For example, Members have mentioned resources and food in their speeches, can they display food to show that the two are related? Ms MO, you move this motion to ask for the establishment of a select committee to inquire into the allegation of the Chief Executive receiving the benefits of an overseas corporation, so, only objects which are directly related to this question can be displayed.
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