Tuesday, July 5, 1977 Asadha 14, 1899 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES

(SIXTH SERIES)

V o l. IV

X Joly 5 to i s . *977/A o a d b a 14 to 14 , 1899 (S a lta )]

Sccond Session, 1977/1899 (S a k a )

C Vol. IV contains Nos. 21— 30)

LOK SABBA SECRETARIAT

N E W D E L H I CONTENTS

(Sixth Series, 'Volume IV, Second Session, 1977^

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Oral Answers to Questions : C o lu m n s •Starred Questions^Nos. 329, 333, 334 and 337 . . . 1—31

^ Short Notice Question No. 1 1 ...... 31—34

Wrinen Answers to Questions : *

Starred Questions Nos. 128, 324 to 328, 330 to 332, 335, 336 and 339 to 342...... 35—5° * Unstarred Questions Nos. 2527 to 2631 . 50— 144

Paper laid on the Table ...... 144 Statement re Reported taking over of power by Army in Pakistan—

Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee...... 145—46

Demands for Grants, 1977-78—

Ministry of D e f e n c e ...... 147—64

Shri Jagjivan R a m ...... 147— Ministry of Education and Social Welfare and Department of C u ltu re ...... 163—298

Shri Hitendra D e sa i...... 165—75 Prof. Shibban Lai Saksena...... 185—190

Shri Om Prakash Tyagi ...... i9 l —200 Shri O. V. Alagesan ...... 200—207

Shrimati Mrinal Gore...... 20®— Shn Bhagat Ram ( ...... 2i9 -225

Shri Janeshwar M i s h r a...... 225—236

I •The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question ; was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. *■ (U)

C o l u m n s $ Shri V. Arunachalam...... 236—242

Shri Manohar L a i ...... 242—248

Shri A. E. T. Barrow # ...... *•*'«*• *48 — 254 Shri Kalyan J a i n ] ...... 254—261

Shri Gev M. A v a r i ...... 261—266

Shri Ram Prakash Tripathi . 266-^-271

Shri Nathu S i n g h ...... 271—278 s

Shri D.G. G a w a i ...... 278—282 Shri Dhirendranath Basu ...... 283—284

Shri R. Mohananmgam ...... 284—288 Shri Raje Vishveshvar Rao ...... 288—292

Shri Shambhu Nath Chaturvedi ...... 292—297

Shri D.B. Patil ...... 297—298 LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA Kms. of new line is estimated to cost Rs. 39.17 crores yielding a financial return of 4.2 per cent by D.C.F. Tuesday, July 5, 1977 /Asadha 14, 1899 (Saka) JTo wtj : ir^rer ' he Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the JT? 3ft cTfT % C’ock. «PT ^ ^ * cfta mferT ^— ^srqr- i h Sis [Mr. Speaklr in the Chair] rft¥-tfr cftTT *TgT

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS t| | *hi6*ist *r GTWT % ir

tt Conversion of Parbhani-Mudkhed- Atlilabad-Ghugus Line into Broad | firtr ^ *tt^ t Gauge Line ir T O ITT ^Tfr?TT | ^ft

•329. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will g g frp i H ft f ^ r the Minister of RAILWAYS be plea­ [ smVPftfl | I sed to state: It will expose the entire area to ia) whether Govern­ economic and industrial development. ment was carrying the work of sur­ Considering this fact, does the hon. vey for metre gauge to broad gauge Minister intend to take up that line line along the route Parbhani-Mud- in the near future? khcd-Adilabad-Ghugus; * (b) whether Maharashtra Govern­ ^nrvr^t ft ^ ^TFT^rft ment completed the survey; and tt* tft $ rftr ? f r (c) what are its findings? smf^TVrTT STIT^T ^t f t 3TOT I *ft fiPTT ft I

i WfrH w tipt as a prospective proposition? Has that been taken into consideration, 7 W W 5T*ft fH I 3^1 I while working out the percentage of return on investment? * t jjj TT o WI^ f miifl : 3ft f<4l *1T he has referred to is not merely a CTCT *THT -jtim f<T ^rt SHRI SONU SINGH PATIL: Will WTT t rfT ^ WTT^ T ward areas which are inhabited pre­ « i ¥*f w t ? dominantly by adivasis and harijans are concerned? Sts W ? n ^ ! *llll"li( TOPT % PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: T p r | ^ r ?it ^ f r Ttz$ 9?mr Sometime back I had made a refer­ ence that our norms will not be ortho­ STRi ? ^t *? fjfdfaildT IVeii dox norms. I hope that the hon. t i v\x ^ t t Member will expect me to be not p r r | t t f r w ^ h m i ^ *r r r t i$ an orthodox person but a modern man! And therefore, our norms will *r*«? Hfr t^ tt | I rfr r Tr»r t^ t i always try to assess our return.

SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, I PROF. R. K. AMIN: Mr. Speaker, would like to know from the hon. Sir, this is not a question whether Minister whether he is aware that the norms are orthodox or modern. in the area, which is rich In our country, because of the multi­ in coal, lime and forest resources in­ gauge system, It is uneconomical to stead of their being transported via transport the goods from one place this metre-gauge, at present, a circui­ to another. That is why a uniform tous route is adopted which is to-day gauge i8 required and it should be 150 miles, it will cut down the dis­ judged from that point of view. And tance to 48 miles. If this metre- if there is a new line that is to be gauge route is, used. la id ....

Will that not be an economic factor MR. SPEAKER: No, you are now that should be taken into consideration explaining the position fully. Oral Answers ASADHA 14, 1809 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

PROF. R. K. AMIN: Sir, my point this particular area, then I have no is this. Your norms are necessary objection. when the new lines are to be laid and not when the metre-gauge is to be SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- converted into a broad-gauge line. DER: Sir, the Minister has already That is not the norm that should be replied the questions. applied. Here it should be only from the point of view of general develop­ MR. SPEAKER: By experience 1 say ment. that this question hour should not be utilised for discussing about po­ MR. SPEAKER: The Minister has licy matters. noted it down. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- PROF. R. K. AMIN: May I know DER: The Minister has replied the from the hon. Minister from that supplementary question. I only want point of view whether he has any to know from him whether he is general policy of converting the en­ aware that Bankura is a backward tire metre-gauge line into a broad- district and whether he will take up gauge line? the railway line Bankura-Damodar railway. At present there is a nar­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE. Sir, row guage line. I want to know whe­ do you permit me to transform this ther he will convert that into a broad- question in to .... gauge line because of the backward­ ness. MR. SPEAKER: No, no. MR. SPEAKER: This has nothing to SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Sir, may I do with the main question. know from the hon. Minister as to what is the criterion for constructing the railway line? Rctrcncnxnent of Apprentices from Railway Workshops and Offices PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As I indiacted earlier, there are two as­ •333. SHRIMATI AHILYA P. pects. As far as the conversion of RANGNEKAR: Will the Minister of the gauge is concerned, priority num­ RAILWAYS be pleased to state: ber one is that those areas which have the prospects of being develop­ (a) whether Government are con­ ed or those areas which are already sidering to stop retrenchment of ap­ prentices from various railway work­ developed areas but for want of ade­ shops and offices; and quate facilities of transport, probably, the production is suffering in that case, (b) the steps taken to absorb we will give priority to them. As them? far as backward area is concerned, T have already laid down a norm THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS n the budget. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE) : (a) In terms of the provisions of the MR. SPEAKER: It is all a question Apprentices Act 1961, the statutory of a particular route about which we obligation is to engage Apprentices are discussing. We are here dis­ according to the prescribed ratio in cussing the general policy also. I won’t certain trades, and give them train­ allow that question unless it pertains ing only. There is no obligation to to a particular area. We have al­ give employment to these apprentices ready discussed the general issues in when they have completed training. the Budget discussion. Now, if you Accordingly, at the end of their have anything to ask with regard to training, their apprenticeship with 7 Oral Answers JULY 5, 1977 Oral Answers 8

the Railways stands terminated, and therefore, the question of their re­ qfwnv mm t jh ?t*pt faaft trenchment does not arise. sftrfcra arfw 3*rft ft. ^rfafr r (b ) As a special case, the Minis­ try of Railways have decided that fa»d*i stPfct *At irfir frarjhfnr Apprentices in clerical categories who VT wtzj $TT

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Holding of Special Class Railway If more candidates are required and Apprentices Examination selected through this particular schomc, we would absorbe them. + |334. SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: SHRI RAM DHARI SHASTRI: Hallo SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDA- Sir. RAM: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be MR. SPEAKER: You must be noticed pleased to state: by the Speaker; you should not shout like this. (a) the objective of holding special class Railway Apprentices Examina­ SHRI RAM DHARI SHASTRI: I did tion; not shout.

(b) whether the number of candi­ MR. SPEAKER: This is not a market dates Anally selected on the basis of place. You should catch the eye of the Examination held in 1976 was the Speaker, not this "Hallo Sir**. meagre as compared to those selected in earlier years; and vqvm : : mvfhi (c) if so, the reasons therefor? "aft, 5 vpt% *TTf£nr ft

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS fa % ^ft*TT WT (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) ftrsnr ^t srr% % ft The Special Class Railway Apprentices Scheme is intended to recruit teen-age boys for intensive practical training at Railway Workshops and theoretical training at the Indian Railways Insti­ tute of Mechanical and Electrical En­ f^T5T«r ^ x& n gineering, Jamalpur. The training thus given is specially tailored to suit the « t SrS xfw z £ ? requirements of Railways.

(b) The number of candidates tfto *nj ^ vt selected on the basis of 1976 Exami­ nation was less than the previous 2 v w t fv faita ft % fm. years. f^TT ipTT fc, (c) Recruitment is made in accord­ v t r irsrfhrfftir ance with the number of vacancies as­ TT ( I 1966 ft 1976

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As 1971 10 far as the number is concerned in 1976, the special class apprentices were 10 1972 10 and graduates were 10. That seems to be tho general proportion. 1973 17 u urai ATuucri

the procedure and says that the pre­ 1974 x . 17 sent procedure is outmoted. This issue 1975 . 23 will have to be discussed with the con­ cerned organisations. 1976 . . 10 SHRI HARIKESH BAHADUR: 3ft *ft«T fr^PT %■ TT UTCt Z, What is the use of training many ■d*1+1 TT% Tt TlfaTOT T7% persons as apprentices if they could not be absorbed? There are many per­ f l sons who have been trained as ap­ prentices but they are not being vf\ ffffTT VTT iTRsfto *rtft absorbed by the Indian Railways and 3ft Tt fTTT T*«T f r ^ t in the Northeastern Railway 1 know many cases. f*r^,f?rf5r «t, ^r*r f t r r % fax, gfnpff T f%rr ^pr grfem PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: On the basis of our experience we have «r ? already recommended to the Labour Ministry that the examination con­ tfto »T*T 4

Ir f*wnff *r *r »ft (a) whether it is a fact that there is a great disparity in the number of fswtnmr tt^> Ppn ^t aft ^ fe r m ir *nr ksvt* Assembly constituencies in the coun­ try; * ft, «TTOT T^*T ? (b) if so. what steps or* being ato *t* firir taken by Government to have uniform 'fifcw f e n antj i pattern in regard to the number of voters in various constituencies; •ft 3 q?>H : ^ Ir qsrf^r rfm (c) whether it is a fact that the irn: |, mxr ^ Lok Sabha and the Assembly consti­ tuencies in hilly areas are spread out ^ i iiitm< ire *ft «r^ widely; and fa^rr t t 75 | % wnr Ir qs f e q (d) whether it is prop9sed to put fPnr JT arm i 3jt ^ *m^r t o i Lok Sabha and Assembly constituen­

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As SHRI DURGA CHAND: I would 1 pointed out there are two sources like to know from the hon. Minister from which these engineers and technl- the criteria and norms for delimiting cians are taken up and they are again a certain constituency. to be accomodated against the vacan­ cies that exist and it is being done like that. Because they are drawn from a SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: The Con- particular technical and engineering stitution itself provides that the num­ category, special type of an arrange­ ber of parliamentary constituencies ment for special training is done and which shall be allotted to a State will then they are appointed. be in proportion to the population of that State. Here I should make it clear that the population of a Slate Disparity in the Number of Voters in does not merely consist of voters but various Lok Sabha and Assembly Con­ consists of people who are not voters, stituencies who are not of age. But since the distribution of the parliamentary con­ •337. SHRI DURGA CHAND; Will stituencies has to be made on the the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND basis of the total population of the COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to State, it sometimes happens that the state: number of voters In a State may not 17 Oral Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) Oral Answers K 18 b e in the same proportion. Therefore TWT T O ij«*r : Ttffteq ^ it happens that since a particular num­ ber of parliamentary constituencies *T»ft T^T f r TT^fc TT have to be in a State, the total number ?>rr I ^ frr *r=ft t ? t* t t* srnm t of voters has to be divided among that number of constituencies with the fa ^ t f t ir ifta perfect in this country both for Parlia : V* fJT WTTTT flrTT- mentary as well as Assembly elec- tions? * * T|ft $ 33% ?T *PTT* *T T tfeC T - rr*fr* fft ?TT* TTtT TT 3T? TT SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: Full ^TTTT m fT T«T> T>TT?T I ^T% lfT care will be taken to see that the pro­ cess of enumeration is as best as pos­ n «TT «ft5TT JT those suggestions will be considered pnd the imperfections will be removed. ?TT ft JWT TTjft I 19 Oral Answers JULY 5, 1977 Oral Answers * 20

^ 0 vt tsTlci vrr f^rr i *T ft? 10 *?t HTflR W *T?T% *T? JfTT Pf* ^ VT fir i TWt 3TRft I , 6 5TW % 3FTT ^N 1 VT f^HTT if ftT5T *RTT fftT 6 0 f*TT TT W 10 TTW? ^t JWT, j p t t y iretei»«ii | «ft 5TTfvT ¥**1 : ir 5TVfirfH?VM «T***TT ¥V *i^ $ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA- It % sm io 'nfiwT- appears that the present position is not in accordance with the provisions % to ^ tt ^ft *?z H ftr^m of the Constitution. Article 81(2) of ^ftrP rr^ R ?>, ^ r ^ % i o *reF*rf the Constitution lays down that the number of seats and the population fcnrcft *fhpT gfnftHg ^ tft will bear a certain ratio which will be vnfmr iff %t\T inFw^ft % uniform throughout the country. That *fV f^PT^ ^ *T^ft*T7 vilf^»i is the constitutional position. In some constituency at the present moment if 5t «rtr sr? *ilnl | I it is three, i.e., three times the voters* strength. How does the hon. Minister PROF. P.G. MAVALANKAR: The think that this position can continue Minister did admit that there has a in accordance with the provisions of great disparity between the Lok Sab ha the Constitution? May I know whether and Assembly constituencies as regards there is any idea to come forward with the number of voters. Even among the proposals so that this disparity is re­ Lok Sabha constituencies there is a moved? tremendous gap between one consti- tuency and another in terms of voters. For example, in my own constituency SHRI SHAN’T! BHUSHAN: As I of Gandhinagar in Gujarat *nin« is the said, so far as the large States are con­ largest with nearly 620,000 voters and cerned, the constitutional provision to in others the number was near about which reference has been made by the five-and-a-half lakhs. So the margin hon. Member is that that depends on was 70.000 voters. Then, about 25000 the total population of the State and voters were not enlisted because of not the number of voters in the State. population changes. Will the Minister There can be a difference, namely, that look into the question by asking the a higher percentage of population in Election Commission to have an effec­ one State may be voters and a lower tive, regular, periodic check of voters percentage of population in another so that these anomalies or disparities State may be voters so that that counts are brought to the minimum? for some difference in the number of voters between one State and another. There is a special provision so far as *nf*er : anffanr Union Territories etc. are concerned *PTT cTT$ * t r*i«T.l^n ?>ft because there a provision has to be made. If a single Union Territory is ohrr ft? vppfhr ft> 6 0, very small with very small population, 7 0 11 VT *T^W ^ even then one parliamentary consti- 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 14( 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 tuency has to be provided with the TT ft*^T «rraT «IT, result that it may have a very little voters' strength. sra t o srar tt «igcr ft?T «RT fTOT TOT ^ I ftsft HffKJJ SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH: ft 3R7«r f e n t fa #rf5rrfifdVM Tftft Thousands of voters from the middle class families had not been enlisted. ft *ftr *htt P t o r wm % ft«n: Was it not the result of the conserted ^ ^fa*T ft sft ^ i q faTT, move by the previous Government? Is HMI I ft* Um the overnment thinking of simplifying the procedure so that the voters could srer ft 8 P t o r t sra |f tfrr get their names included?. ^ ft *t toV *it TO I «R[T SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH: ft TT v*Tld^l ^TRTT before an election a noli ft cation is | I TOT ftcft ft Tt published for making any corrections T tf Tt | fa 3tT ?T needed in the voters' list, so that any person who feels that his name has rot vftK «nir T t f ^ f t ^ been included, etc. can make an application; and that application is dealt with. If there are a large number sft snfaf **«! : ft of omissions on account of people Ttf wrra tt tpt ft, having gone over etc., if they make applications, they are dealt with ac­

SHRI V. KISIIORE CHANDRA S. T^TT I ftfa*T Tt$ T R DEO: At present, polling booths are *T*T ^ f^t, W % pTO HTTOHt installed on the basis of population SfT^^ft I and the number of voters in an area. But in certain hilly areas which are sparsely populated, the distance bet­ «ft : f^wrn ft ^ ween the polling booths and residences ft SnTTrTW TT ^F*T gSTT ^ iftT is too much, and the people have to ft |

SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NALDU: Is' tt wemw gin fa * *ft Tt< government aware that voters belong­ ing to one booth are attached to ^rr ifir st rteir fire another booth in an area? If so, will if *mr fpsr s>n i wt wtttt

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fcra j »T^t if TT?t £ i f* n ^ when the proposal for electoral re­ *rr 5»rf4«r ^ fa farnn % wtm forms is gone into. At that time all the parties would be consultei, and JTTT *Tcrerax * h n i a*4K V t >»ii f a ^TlT ^TT?T iTtflwft fa iptt *TrRT?n g r jj i ? r ^ ij^ t ir * t f «FKft T f 3fW, JTT Ht»ft ^THT ^ Ijft faf? Tt^RT v jtpt »T ^ *rnr, «rt 3ft * u u + i(t w*ti | i m ^rrar * 3*t if? f*w ^Trenft ft, sh *? sprr^nft *ft ^r*r qr ir i farro vntft «rf ? Tr*n?r ^Hiq if t*fr*n it sftr him Pt*pth

«ft 5Ttf»n w « i : ^rr^r wtot«t «rni srnft | i *r^ ?t wir ^nt ^rnr ^ ft *?t «r* »r wttct T u m ft %rtr fa^T fa ^ft *f< m ®Tf *nmm |, 3* fft gwnr *r *tt ^ Vifft ^ qtT ‘3^1+f *i i M M VT VT*T V7 ST I WT7 fa*ft f o n 3rm %ft* ^ft ^ m* v trr V>Nt7> *t «fe« *r fa*ft *T JTHT T? ^nr '3*tvt f ^ i tp t ? wrsr 3TT$, %ftr HHH $ fa V^NtrI WT ^t?TT ^ fa SplTT ^ ^ft =T "3TT*T *lfT TT *1 ^rl t>N ff^TT ^ t % 5Tm ?ft t h ^rra«r % \ ^3“*T % f^TT?) TT^VW ^mr ir ^r, i ?p(ft ^'iHo ir *Tf^f nPT? f i *irr i ?ft ?*rvt Tt? st^«n SHRI L. K. DOLEY: It has bicn our flsft i experience that the size of the con­ stituencies is in accordance with the pattern of the population. its density H; *rn*i faHPT) and some of the areas are also in­ accessible. In that case, enormous qr?TT I ?ft ^PFt TCTT TT V efforts have to be made so far as ?mr ^ n rr ^ i Jjfir st*«r z T R it- finance is concerned. So, in view of. the TT 5TTHTT T5TT %>» variation in the size of the constituen­ cies. is Government ready to consider ^?ft *r I ?fr JTf *TW? 5Tff T^*ft I some relaxation in the matter of the WT f?T fiww

SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: The question of financial1 aspect of the tlons can be considered at the time ?ft ^^r%rc f t f a »r? 27 Oral Answers JULY 5, 1977 Oral Answers 28

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SHRI CHARAN NARZARY: Nor- »*t snfaf : «TR4hr *t*wt tt mally the Scheduled Tribes people live io compact areas. But what we have IJ5TR I ^fT»T seen for the last thirty years is that 3TfT v*ftr ffr Tt f r the Scheduled Tribes constituencies are f;H *F? f t 3TTT»TT W T*T *JHT* delimited in such a manner that non- tribals in the tribal reserved con­ q r fr^n ^tt h t ^tt Jt i ?tfr^ stituencies are made into a majority *nft ?ft p t q r wunrr and that is the reason why, proper re­ presentation has not been ensured fsm rr shtt^ nft^r

wrfcw : sw rt wtrr specifls question in detail about the matter, it will be examined. fw?r arr^r $ s*r fa* fa *t fatft wt ww *r w i ?rt wt^ ? i % T«fr *ft w?r t fSTVTTTnr®! : fl’ s*T*Hi *wswnn % ftaft ttt w t ?i ^ *ft fefVn snsre % w *sit* fff wt^ ? 1 *w% W t T tf ^rgt ^T1T ^ *7T% % fiftT w j f t m WT*WTT3T w$r ft fa *jtfwr Tfe€te$t*ff f t TTcft % ittT t t v m r ^ t *f i Tr a«T ^ra 1 stYt 3ft T^TFr-*rrnFi ^ # t 4»i^d^u*flv4 gmY g ftnrtr ^stt% ir f<5T**d f{ldt 6RTT ITPT ^»ilq STTP^t

f>s^ $wtt nYwsr : w»rw *T 53TT % f%tT ^ftf ^TT ^TT- XTfTCH TtfHffr^VH t t rtww $ T *t*t fo m ^ * f i ? tw wth w 5TTf^ieft' Hf?l<5-T 3"PTt Tt wrk vDt w r r ^ tt ^ rft pjtw w T’Scf |tt Ttf^rfwrsR t t Trwt n m ^ fr i TT^ WT^f »t $»T ?t 3IT*— ijwt Ttf Ttfftqi TTW Tt T tfaw T^W ? MR. SPEAKER: Now we shall take up SNQ No. II.

*ft snf*w : tffcifadw* *t SHRI SAUGATA ROY : On a point SW WTW MW?I 5? i»*ft ?PT $ I of order. We have already seen the reply of the Minister to this question. 1973 >t *tf*fw:I'»riT TT TPJW W^TT He said that the Son-in-law of Shri tw t srr? Trfsrfweww wnftn ** war Gokhale was not present. Now I wtr TrT«rr^t t t * itfaFwjiR Tr would like to draw you attention to Rule 54(2). It says, “ If the Minister TfW TT f^OT I *M wfaOTT it tjWT concerned agrees to reply, such ques­ »t»frspT st *m $ f r 2000 t wrc tion shall be answered on a day to bo WWW T *TraiT

Question was also allowed. Sir, here (c) if so, the details thereof? the question is that it is a trivial matter. The Minister should have THE MINISTER OF l AW, JUS­ told you that this could not be treated TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS as a Short Notice Question. (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: He may consider (b) Five sittings of the Company it as a very trivial matter but the Law Board Bench were held in Bom­ Member considers it as a very impor­ bay in January, 1977 and five sittings tant matter. Therefore, we should not in February, 1977. impose our opinion on anybody. Now the Member has ask^d a question, the None of the sons-in-law of the Ex- hon. Minister will have to answer it. Minister of Law, Justice and Compa­ Kindly hear him. ny Affairs, Shri H. R. Gokhale, ap­ peared in any of these cases heard in {Interruptions) these sittings. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : We (c) Does not arise. are sending notices regarding these questions, but they do not admit them. PROF R. K. AMIN : This is exactly SHRI SHANT1 BHUSHAN : May I the case in which there is something say, with your permission, a few fishy. Generally, the Company Law words about it. You have said that Board's meetings are never held out­ when the hon. Member attaches im­ side Delhi; they are held in Delhi. portance to a question, that question Generally, they are not in a position is sent to the Minister to And out to hold five sittings in a month. More­ whether he is in a position to answer over these meetings were held soon that question. If he is in a position to afer the Lok Sabha was dissolved answer that question, whatever may after 17th of January. Only during be the reply, it becomes the duty of those two months, major decisions the Minister to say that he is in a were taken by the Company Law position to answer that question. Board. When it was a caretaker Gov­ ernment, can it take such important (Interruptions) decisions and so soon and so rapidly MR. SPEAKER: Do not convert during those two months. I would Question Hour into a point of law. put these facts with the other facts, Now Short Notice Question. the Law Minister was contesting the election...... Short Notice Question MR SPEAKER: That is ‘ not part Meetings of Company Law Board at of the Question. Bombay PROF. R. K. AMIN : These facts SNQ U. PROF. R. K. AMIN: Will go together. When he knew that he the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND was to spend a considerable amount COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to of money in the elections. . . . state: (a) whether the Company Law MR. SPEAKER : No., please. Ask Board held its meetings in Bombay your question. « during the months of January and PROF. R. K. AMIN: 1 want to know February, 1977; whether it is a practice to hold so (b) if so, how many sittings were many meetings of the Company Law held and whether the son-in-law of Board during one month; secondly, the Ex-Minister of Law, Mr. Gokhale whether it is so very necessary to appeared as Counapl for several com­ hold them outside Delhi and whether panies; and this has been <1one before; and thirdly 33 Oral Answers ASADHA 14v 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34

why so many major decisions have SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: I been taken only during those two want to know whether there is any months soon after dissolution of the rule that the meetings should not bo Lok Sabha? held at places other than Delhi, whe­ ther the previous Government had m* right to hold such meetings in Bom­ SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: For bay or elsewhere. hearing cases in the western region, the Board constituted two double­ member benches aiyl one single­ SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: No, Sir. member bench. The double-member The meetings could be held in Bom­ benches were constituted with effect bay by the Company Law Board from 28th December, 1970; the single­ Benches. member bench consisted of Shri Raja- gopalan and was constituted with effect from 6th January, 1977. This «ft :] 3T* fafw *rat single-member bench disposed of ten cases in the month of January, 1977, and eight cases in the month of Feb­ 5I w* *r ’rrra *i, ruary, 1977. The double-member Bench disposed of 15 cases in the rijirn] jn%*r wre month of January, 1977 and eight cases in the month of February, 1977.

«#t wrfai w r : 3ft ^ PROF. R K. AMIN : When I have asked about the son-}n-law appearing K sprft JTsitif as a counsel for certain companies, the idea was not about the official * *rort*it iff** f r ffcft payment; the reference is to the fees which have been paid by

SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: I have no information that, in those May we know what is the average cases in which they did not appear number of meetings held every month they were paid any fees. But may I and what was the number of meet­ say one thing, namely, in one of the ings held particularly in the month' of •cases of Arvo Industries, not the son- February and what were the import­ in-law but the wife of the son-in-law, ant items transacted by the Board dur­ namely, the daughter of Shri Gokhale, ing the month of February? Mrs. Sunanda Bhandare, had filed a vakalathnama. This case was filed in New Delhi in September, 1975, but was transferred to Bombay because o f the constitution of the bench at Bombay. However, she did not appear at Bombay. • 1178 LS —Z 35 Written Answers %i(JLY 5, 1977 Written Answers 3$

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO Economic Services Ltd. (in short QUESTIONS) RITES), with its headquarter, regis­ tered at New Delhi, is a public sector TT*TJT % T O ifh n r (T^EJT ST%W) undertaking under the administrative WT¥*T«T control of the Ministry of Railways. The present authorised share capital of the Company is Rs. 1 crore and ♦ l 28. TT o Wftfl : the subscribed share capital of the WT *?sft ^TR PIT V^T Company is Rs. 10 lakhs. The Com­ f% : pany is managed by a full time Managing Director and two full time functional Directors. The Chairman, (* ) w t 1974 cf^rrftn t o r Railway Board is part time Chairman *refr ^ < w y . % TnOTtTR ( ^ tt sr^ir) of the Company and there are three n r inr % f^nrW % firo more part time Directors on the Com­ pany’s Board of Management. filWFVRr f w «rr ; 2 This Company was set up in 1974 to cater to the considerable demand '« ) life ?t, cfr w VR

line of the Philippine National Rail­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS way system. (Asian Development (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Bank Bided project). (a) and (b). A Preliminary Engineer- ing-cixm-Traffic Survey has been (iii) Provision of consultancy on carried out for the rail link from the setting up of training facilities Kuttipuram to Trichur via Guruva- and for improvement in the main­ yoor. The 'proposed line will be 60 tenance of rolling stock and diesel Kms. long and is estimated to cost locomotives on the Ghana Railway. about Rs. 11 crores yielding a financial (iv) Provision of consultancy for return of 1.4 per cent. A decision study of the existing net-work for regarding construction of the line will formulation of short and long term be taken after the examination of the solution in reference to gauge con­ reports is completed and would depend version and/or construction of new upon the availability of resources. lines in Standard Gauge for the Nigerian Railway Corporation. Looting of Passengers of Triveni 5. The Company is also handling Express the following assignments within the country: — •326. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERM A: Will the Minister of RAIL­ (i) Survey for a road-bridge WAYS be pleased to state: across the river Brahmputra. (a) whether Government’s atten­ (ii) Optimisation of transport of tion has been drawn to the reported fertilisers and raw-materials there­ looting of passengers of Triveni Ex­ for. press near Atrampur Station on 8th June. 1977; (iii) Consultancy for close loop railway service for a Super Thermal (b) if so, the details thereof; and Power Plant in East India. (c) the measures Government pro­ (iv) Consultancy regarding rail­ pose to take in future to step up way facilities for a major Steel Plant security of travelling passengers? in South India. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (v) Consultancy for Inland Water (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Transport in the North-Eastern Re­ gion of India. (a) and (b). Yes. An armed robbery took place in 70 Dn. Lucknow-Chopan 6. A dividend of 12 per cent was express on 8-6-77. While it was passing declared by the Company lor Its between Railway Stations Lai Gopal- operation in 1976. It is expected to ganj and Ram Chaura Road, three _pnake a sizeable profit this year also. miscreants looted six passengers and threw two boxes, one attache ase and a brief case from second class coach No. 9068. When resisted by passengers, High Priority for Guruvayoor- Kuttipuram Railway Line they injured two passengers with knife while another passenger was shot at with a countrymade pistol injuring ■h. ’ 3*2/' • SHRI K- A' r AJAN: Will ■the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased him in the arm. The miscreants loose­ |to state: ned the hosepipe stopper and managed to jump out when the train slowed & fa) whether Government propose down due to drop in vacuum. Two of no give high priority for construction the injured were admitted into hospital. Of Guruvayoor-Kuttipuram Railway Clues collected were follewed up and in Kerala State; and two accused persons (1) Mukter (b) if not, the reasons therefor? Ahmed, s/o Shahzad Hussain, (2) Abul Hussain, s|o. Bashir Ahmed, both 39 Written Answers JULY 5# 1977 t’ Written Answers T 40

'residents of Kasba Lai Gopalganj, Statement P.S. ^Nawabganj, District Allahabad were arrested. They admitted this For foreign tourists as well as * crime Bnd 40 sarees and some clothes Indians residing abroad, a scheme of w ere recovered. Another person Indrail Pass tickets has been intro­ Mohiuddin alios Altu, resident of Lai duced w.e.f. 1-6-77 permitting un­ 'Gopalganj was subsequently arrested limited travel on Indian Railways and a looted wrist watch and a coun­ within the period of validity. These try made pistol were recovered from tickets are issued for validity periods him. The total value of property ranging from 7 days to 90 days and stolen is about Rs. 15,000/- out of which the fares are as follows property worth about Rs. 4,627/- and one wrist watch has already been Fare* (1a U .S.D > Uars) recovered. A case has been registered by GRP, Allahabad under Section Period o f Air- First Second 394/412 I PC. The case is still under Validity. c w di- Class/ Claia investigation. All the three accused tioned A.C. class Chair have been sent to jail Car

(c) Maintenance of law and order 7 days 70 35 12 being a State subject, protection of 1 5 days . 100 50 17 passengers nnd their personal belong­ ings is the responsibility of the State 21 davs . 125 63 21 Government. The Railway Ministry have requested the State Governments 30 day . 150 75 25

to intensify patrolling and they have ^ 0 dry- . 220 n o 37 taken necessary steps to control such crime by escorting important trains go day* . 260 130 45 at night, posting of regular patrols at station platforms and waiting halls and Childcren between 3-12 years pay half keeping surveillance over criminals. thr fare rounded off to the nearest dollar. 2. These tickets are being sold only to foreign nationals as well as Indians Special Section for Tourists residing abroad holding valid pass­ ports. Payment has to be made in foreign exchange. The tickets are •327. SHRI SARAT KAR: Will available for sale at the following the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas­ places:— ed to state: (1) Railway Tourist Guide, Wes­ tern Railway, Churchgate, Bombay, , (a) whether there is any proposal in his Ministry to open a special sec­ (2) Railway Tourist Guide, Cen­ tion for tourists and make Indian tral Railway, Bombay V.T. railways tourist-oriented; and (3)) Railway Tourist Guide, Eastern Railway, Fairlie Place, (b) what steps have been initiated Calcutta. to attract foreign tourists? (4) Central Reservation Office, South Eastern Railway, Esplanade THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Mansions, Calcutta. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (5) Central Reservation Office, (a) No, Sir. Southern Railway, Madras Central, Madras. (b) A Statement showing the steps (6) Railway Tourist Guide, taken to attract foreign tourists *• Northern Railway, Baroda House, laid on the table o f the Sabha. New Delhi. Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers * 41 42

Besides, they can also be sold by 6. Apart from using railway chan­ recognised Railway Travel Agents nels, recognised tourist agents of Rail­ holding restricted money changer's ways have the option of sending reply, licence from Reserve Bank of India. paid telegrams direct to the concerned Reservation Offices upto one year in advance for reservation of foresgp 3. “ INDRAIL PASS’* entitles the tourists groups. Only the total num­ holder to travel within the period of ber of berths/seats required and the validity for all trains, including Raj- ticket numbers need be given in ibis dhani Express trains, as and when he telegram, which must be replied by likes. No separate charge is payable reservation offices within 48 hours of for meals on Rajdhani Express trains the receipt. Details of the names, as Rajdhani fare is inclusive of meal nationality, etc. of the individual tou­ charges. Besides, no sleeper sur­ rists can be advised upto 10 days be­ charge, supplementary charge for fore commencement of the journey. travel by Superfast trains or reser­ vation fees payable by holders of India Tobacco Company Limited ‘ INDRAIL PASS". The period of validity is reckoned from the date of •328. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: commencement of first journey and Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE upto the mid-night of the date on AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased which the validity expires. No re­ to state: fund of fares on partially used ‘'IND­ RAIL PASS" or for travel in lower (a) whether he is aware of the fact that India Tobacco Co. Ltd. (for­ class of accommodation is permis­ merly known as Imperial Tobacco Co. sible. Ltd.—a British controlled company) have control through backdoor finan­ 4. Payment in railway offices for ces in the following companies: — purpose of Indrail Pass is accepted in U.S. Dollars or Pound Sterling only (i) Mimec India Private Limited For other foreign currencies, the tou­ (ii) CPA (iii) Sumit Investment In­ rist has to encash the requisite amount dia (iv) Delhi Enterprises (v) Card into rupees with an authorised dealer Board Container Making Co. (vi) Ni- and then pay in rupees alongwith laxnbur Plant and Trollers Co. and "Encashment Certificate” . (vii) Summit, Filins; and (b) whether the erstwhile Prim© 5. Foreign tourists are permitted to Minister reversed her own findings make advance reservation upto one relating to registration of all inter­ year before the date of departure of connected companies owned/control­ the train as against six months per­ led by India Tobacco Co. Ltd. and mitted to other passengers. Quotas Wazir Sultan Co. Ltd.? have been earmarked for foreign tou­ rists at important stations on sc'ccted THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE trains. Railway Tourist Guides have AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI been posted at Bombay V.T., Church- SHANTI BHUSHAN) : (a) (i) Nil- gate (Bombay), Fairlie Place (Cal­ ambur Plant and Trollers Co. and cutta), Baroda House (New Delhi) and Summit Films named in part (a) Kathgodam station for giving guidance of the question do not appear to be to tourists. Besides, instructions have joint stock companies under the Com­ been given for accommodating foreign panies Act and no information is tourists against unutilised H.O.R. available about these two concerns. quota, wherever feasible. The afore- # said facilities are also extended to non- (ii) I.T.C. Ltd. (formerly India |esident Indians paying in foreign ex­ Tobacco Co Ltd.) holds 17,500 shares change. out of a total of 105,000 ordinary 43 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers

shares of Rs. 10/- each of Mimec India item published in ‘Financial Express9 Private Ltd. There are no common °t lBth May, 1977 under caption directors on the Board of the two com­ Anti-social elements again active in panies. The undertakings are not, Railways; and therefore, interconnected with each other in terms of Section 2(g) of the (b) if so, the*reaction of Govern­ MRTP Act from the poirit of view ment thereon7 of control over equity or management. The companies are also not under the same management within the pur­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS view of Section 370(IB) of the Com­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): panies Act, 1956. (a) and (b ). It is true that the inci­ dents mentioned have occurred. All (iii) CPA referred to in the question the cases have been registered by the is presumed to be the same as CPA Police and they are under their in­ Consultancy Services Private Ltd. vestigation. Police Vigilance has been This company was appointed as Re­ tightened. gistrars and Share Transfer Agents of I.T.C. Ltd. in April 1976 for a period of 5 years. The two companies are Customer-Oriented Scheme for neither interconnected nor under the Booking of Goods same management. (iv) The remaining three companies •331. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA whose correct names appear to be (i) GOWDA: Will the Minister of RAIL­ Delhi Enterprises Private Ltd., (ii) WAYS be pleased to state: Summit Investment Private Ltd. and (iii) Cardboard Containers Ltd. are (a) whether Northern Railway has also not found to be either Intercon­ introduced a new customer-oriented nected or under the same manage­ scheme under which easier booking ment. and elimination of delays in the move­ (v) Loans given to bodies corporate ment of goods have been made which are not under the same manage­ possible; and ment in terms of Section 370(IB ) of the Companies Act,- 1956 are not (b) if so, the details thereof? required to be disclosed in the balance sheets. As such information in this THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS regard is not available. * (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (b) It is presumed that the refe­ (a) Yes, Sir. rence to registration made in part (b) of the question relates to Section 26 (b) In October, 1976 the Northern of the MRTP Act. No finding was Railway introduced a new rationalised given by the erstwhile Prime Minister scheme for clearance of “smalls” tra­ in this matter in respect of the com­ inee (less than a wagon load) from panies mentioned in the question and 12 selected stations (since increased hence there was no occasion for re­ to IB) to 74 selected stations on Indian versal of findings. Railways (now increased to 80 sta­ tions). Under the scheme, sealed vans Anti-Social Elements Active In are made from all these 18 stations Railways directly on the day the goods are ac­ cepted to any of the other 79 stations, •330. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL RED­ irrespective of the minimum weight DY: Will the Minister of RAIL­ condition prescribed for formation of WAYS be pleased to state: through sealed vans. Such vans are (a) whether Government's atten­ despatched by nominated super ex­ tion has been drawn to the news press goods trains. Written Answers ASADHA 14. 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

Selection Committee (or 111 and IV conversion of Rupsa-Talband narrow Grade Posts in North-Eastern gauge line to broad gauge was com­ Railway pleted in 1972-73.

•332. SHRIMATI RENUKA DEVI (c) The Government of Orissa have BARKATAKI: Will the Minister of been requested to furnish details of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: the industries proposed to be set up by them and other development schemes (a) whether there is a Selection for exploitation of forest and mineral Committee to select persons for III resources in the area served by the snd IV grade posts in North-Eastern line. A decision regarding further in­ Railway; and vestments on the line will be taken (b) if so. the composition of the after these details are furnished by Committee? them, and a fresh assessment of the project is made. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Selection of Apprentices through (a) Appointment to Class III on the Special Class Railway Apprentices N.E. Railway is through Railway Ser­ Examination vice Commission, Muzaffarpur. Class IV vacancies are normally filled by •336. SHRI P. THLAGARAJAN: screening serving Casual Labour by a Will the Minister of RAILWAYS committee of officers. be pleased to state: (b) The Railway Service Commis­ (a) the number of apprentices sion consists of a Chairman and a selected every year from 1974 to 1977 Member Secretary. The latter post is On the basis of the special class Rail­ vacant at present. way Apprentices examination; and (b) the number who completed the Conversion of Rupsa-Talband Narrow courses successfully from each batch of Gauge Line into Broad Gauge Line recruits from 1974 to date? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ♦335. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to l^a) The number of Special Class Ap­ state: prentices recruited on the basic of the (a) whether any fresh survey has Examinations held during 1974 to 1977 been undertaken to convert into is as under: — broad gauge the Rupsa-Talband (1) 1974 .... 17 narrow gauge line in the South- Eastern Railway; (2) 1975 . 23 % (b) if so, when and when will the (3) *976 .... 10 survey be completed; and CO 1977 . • % Selections have no (c) whether any steps have beoa b*en com taken in the recent past for improv­ plete4 by ing the condition of running of goods * t fc e U P K . and passenger trains in this line, if It Is in tended to so, details thereof? take io candidates. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (b) None of the above mentioned

(b) if so, whether Government Practice of obtaining Signatures or have copducted any enquiry into the Thumb Impression of Voters in allegation made by the FCI Em­ Elections ployees’ Union, Durgapur?

*339. SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRI- THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM SHNAN: Will the Minister of LAW, AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS ZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): be pleased to state: (a) There is no evidence to suggest that the management of Durgapur (a) whether Government are exa­ ]Unit is indulging in excesses for curb­ mining the proposal for re-introducing ing trade union rights of the working the practice of obtaining the signature class. •r thumb impression of the voter on the counterfoil of the ballot paper; (b) Does not arise.

(b ) if so, the details thereof; and Steps to improve Working of Oil Companies (c) what other measures are being •ontemplated in order to make the •lection absolutely free and fair? •341. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS­ pleased to state: TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANT1 BHUSHAN): (a) (a) whether his Ministry is taking and (b ). The Question has come up any steps to improve efficiency and for consideration before Government. to effect economy in the working of No decision has yet been taken in oil companies; and the matter. (b) if so, the facts thereof? (c) Steps required for improving the election machinery will be exa- ^ THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM mined by Government as part of the AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ Electoral Reforms under considera­ ZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): tion. * (a) and

Accommodations taken on Rent by readily available at the appropriate certain Undertakings time in DDA complexes, or because the accommodation at present occu­ pied by them—is cheaper, or because •342. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: some of them have only small liaison Will the Minister of PETROLEUM offices in Delhi. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ ZERS be pleased to state: (d) Does not arise. (a) whether any guidelines have been laid down by his Ministry for Inter Ministerial Committee on* taking accommodation on rent for Utilisation of Bombay High •fficc and godown purposes by the Public Undertakings under hi* Min­ 2527. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will istry in the capital, if so, what; the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be (b) whether some of the Under­ pleased to state: takings like I.D.P.L. and National Fertilizers Limited have taken accom­ (a) whether there is any proposal modation on exorbitant rent, if so, under the consideration of Govern­ the manner in which the rent was ment for getting up of Inter-Ministe- negotiated and at what level; the rial Committee to prepare a plan for period of lease and advance rent paid transportation and utilisation of large lor each flat or flats; quantities of additional natural gas that would be produced in the Bom­ (c) the difficulties which lay in the bay High Offshore areas and other way of these undertakings taking ac- regions; and tommodation in the D.D.A. Commer­ (b) if sa the main features thereof? cial Complex in Nehru place or other D.D.A. Complexes in the capital; and THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (d) the action being taken now to (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) and get the rent rationalised and explore (b). The question of the optimal uti­ the possibility of getting D.D.A. ac­ lisation of the crude oil and associated commodation at cheaper rates? gas of the Bombay High field has been under Government's consideration THE MINISTER OF PEROLEUM right from the time the discovery was AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ known to be of commercial signifi­ ZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : cance. In February. 1975, Govern­ (a) No, Sir. ment appointed a Working Group consisting of experts and representa­ (b) No, Sir. The rents being paid tives of the industry to recommend by the public sector undertakings measures for the optimal utilisation under this Ministry for their accom­ of the Bombay High oil and gas. While modation in Delhi are not considered the recommendations of the Working exorbitent. Group were under examination, re­ presentations were received from the (c) Two public sector undertakings Government of Maharashtra and Gov­ linder this Ministry viz., Fertilizer ernment of Gujarat concerning certain Corporation of India and National aspects of the ^utilisation of the asso­ Fertilizers Ltd., are already in DDA- ciated gas from Bombay High. The sanctioned commercial complexes. entire matter has been discussed at a Others had taken accommodation in series of inter-ministerial meetings as jtfrther areas and are continuing in also with the Chief Ministers of Guja­ Flhose premises either because suitable rat and Maharashtra and a decision *»d adequate accommodation was not taken thereafter on techno-economic 51 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers considerations that pipelines should be (*r) f^rr laid for the transport of oil and asso­ ciated gas from the Bombay High field irfa+ifVA' % farw w * aq: vnhrr^t q?V to Trombay via Uran, where a shore arrqqt tot ^rnnft ? terminal would be established. The associated gas would be frac­ q* rtfvnnr, tutto wVt tionated and the liquified petroleum ga$ extracted from it and supplied to (vfi fsrmft wf^rr) :(qr)A(q). the consumers. The heavier fractions 18-1 9 1976 q?t pfr- would be mixed with crude stream EPmrm # to ? i tftar- and the lighter fractions used for fer­ tilizer manufacture. The possibility VfThI ^TR feqfO $ Q^lcfcr qpft of utilising the lighter fractions in the qrr % qr^fr short run for power generation until new fertilizer units are commissioned VT 3»^T ?rR % T 1 fnffm r q^f is also under consideration. tt w r i Frnrr^n^TT # v qft^m W W TPfT % q*rT STTTJ *T qTHT 2. To monitor the sanction and plementation of the new projects aris­ mf toJ qtft kGm ing out of the utilisation of the Bom­ *rpt\ »r, f s f w t bay High associated gas, a Special it *rfia*r qqT *rtr f^?r% qfr^rrq- Inter Ministerial Committee has been constituted. The Special Committee PTW vffa^PFTHII qrt 19 would consist of Secretaries of the 1976 % *** qRqr q*r i trqrftrcr Ministry of Petroleum, Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilizers. 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(b) if so, when; and 2531. «ft mwft WT % (c) whether the Central Govern­ •let 1 <4? M Tt fftlT " ment have accepted the Maharashtra Government’s request? ( t ) w r ft sfhr TT *TRT (farm tftTT. ’ T W Iif) THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ft wtrc+maM TtTw 5=nf5T nt*vT ft TTJT TT f^TT £ TTT^T TTT^rTT VPT 5°T ^ ^PTT (b) Since 1960. I;

(c) Surveys have been carried out (w ) qfe it, ?ft * r a r e *r for the conversion of Miraj-Pandhar- ?|WI w t % ? pur-Kurduwadi-Latur Narrow Gauge line into Broad Gauge. It has, how­ ^ inwt (Rto *nj w ^ ): ( t ) ever, not been possible to take up the project on account of paucity of funds. «ftT («r) i •ftW TT «rPTT ft fllft-4 55 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 56

T* fa^TT VT?T WW 2. Sholapur-Osmanabad-Bccd-Paithan- Aurangahad-Chalisgaon and Dhulia to *t)d< ^TT^T Nardhana. WTS^T fw fd tr* w * f rer ^ftfrRr % f t % \ 6. Mi raj-Pan dhar pur-Barsi-La tur Sec­ tion Coversion from Narrow Gauge to- Setting up of Traction Equipment Broad Gauge. Plant by Railways at Nasik 2532. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will 7- Larur-Parli-Vaijanath via Nomina­ ted. the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas­ ed to state: 8. Adilabad-Chanda via Ghugus. (a) whether there is a proposal to 9. Kolhapur-Rainagiri. establish traction equipment plant by the Railways at Nasik in Maharashtra 10. Karad-Ghaplun. State; xi. Darwha-Pusad. (b) if so, details of the proposal and the time schedule for execution; 12. Badncra-Amravni-Narkhed.

(c) whether the Maharashtra State 13. Khamgaon-Jalna via Chikhli. have made proposals for construction of new lines/improvement of existing 14. -Umrcr. lines in the States; and 15. Gangakhed to Bodhan and Nandcd (d) if so, the details of the pro­ to Latur Railway line. posals and reaction of Government thereto? 16. Maamad-Malegaon-Dhulia Nar­ dhana. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): 17. Kurduwadi-Karmala-Nagar-Kar- raala-Aurangabad and Kurduwadi- Shift* (a) It has been decided to set up a napur Railway line. •Traction Motor Rewinding/Heavy Re­ pair Workshop for Electric Rolling 18. Ghugus to Sindola Railway line* Stock* at Nasik Road in Maharashtra; 19. Kolhapur-Nagpur Riiway ,line. (b ) The Project, which is estimated to cost about Rs. 3.87 crores, is ex­ 20. Bhimkund via Chonaka Bori and pected to be completed by 1980. The connect it either to Wani or Ghugus. workshop will employ about 500 men 21. Diva-Basaein Rail way line (Tarapur and shall rewind|repair 30 traction Vangaon to Diva). motors per month. 22. Bombay-Ahmednagar-Parli (Darya- (c) and (d). The new railway lines ghat Railway line). recommended by the Government of Maharashtra from time to time are: 23. Pune-Nasik Railway line.

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25. Nagpur-Ramtek-Jabalpur. 7. Extension of a 33 Km. BG rail link from Latur to Latur Road at an 26. Amravati-Achalpur-Dharni-Khand- | wa. estimated cost of Rs. 5 crores. The survey reports indicated the Project p 27. Pandharpur to Lonand. to be unremunerative. Hence, it has not been taken up. In view of financial constraints, only the following proposals are, at present, under construction/considera­ taw mfw vr finrfir tion:

1. The construction of 42 Km. 2 533. sft WTTO : long rail link between Diva and Bassein at the estimated cost of Rs. *PT[ t a Wf «FTR *?t f*TT 12.75 crores is in progress and is fc : expected to be completed by March 1980; ( t ) taw *tiCh ^rr t t 2. The construction of 76 Km. f*PTW TTTiv f^ t a long new BG line from Chanaka to I ; Wani at an estimated cost of Rs. 5.3 crores is in progress. Target for (w) r* Tf?w Hwsm t * fa m «completion has yet been Axed; « *PTT *n ; 3. Construction of a 900 Km. long new BG line from Apta to Manga­ (n) vr fW »r lore at an estimated cost of about Rs. 250 crores. A final location sur­ TUT ?TT ^*,l ? vey and a traffic survey for Apta- Dasgaon section have been comple­ ted and a final location survey from unft ( ito m v roft ) .* Dasgaon to Ratnagiri with spot (t) *r (*r). Tnrijr *r wnrn checks on earlier surveys from Ratnagiri to Mangalore is in pro­ t t ^rrf'T fara T tf gress; «T«r fT«TT »PTT jt WVT PiiT-t 4. Construction of a 40 Km. long ®T^* TT*T TT fTW^TW Ttf * line from Roha to Murud (Janjira) i i on Apta-Dasgaon Route at an esti­ mated cost of Rs. 5 crores. The sur-» vey showed that the Project is un- Revenne from Goa, Daman and Pin in remunerative and as such ha8 not respect of Petrol Base been taken up;

5. Construction of an 80 Km. long 2534. SHRI EDUARDO FALE1RO: new BG line from Ward ha to Katol Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND at an estimated cost of Rs. 12 crores. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be The survey has been completed and pleased to state the annual income to the report is under examination; the Central Exchequer separately froni Goa. Daman and Diu in respect of 6. Construction of a 90 Km. long petrol tax? new BG line from Adilabad to Ghugus at an estimated cost of Rs. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, 15 crores. The survey has been CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS completed end the report is under (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): During ^consideration; the year 1976-77 the total duty realisa- JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 6o 59 Written Answers

lion on sale of petrol in Goa, Daman (b) if so, whether Shivpuri- and Diu is given below; Gwalior narrow-gauge line is one of them which was then declared as un" economic line; and (Rupees Lakhs) (Apprux.) (c) if not. whether Government propose to restore the Shjvpuri- Gwalior railway line by converting Got 207-36 it into broad gauge in view of the Daman . 3-61 heavy inflow of passenger traffic on this line? Diu (Negligible) .THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Total 210-97 (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (c). It is not proposed to review the Report of the Uneconomic Branch Special Trains ran at the time of Lines Committee, 1969 as such, but the Visit of R.S.S. Leader performance and functioning of uneco­ nomic railway lines are subjected to 2535. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will review from time to time. Gwalior- the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased Shivpuri line which is one cf the branch lines declared as uneconomic, to state: has been closed for traffic with effect (a) whether two special trains were from 1-8 1975. There is no proposal at run to Emakulam in Olavakkot Divi­ present either to restore this line or to sion (Kerala) during the visit of convert it into Broad-gauge. R.S.S. leader Mr. Deoras in May; and (b|) if sov the condition8 laid down V fafTJ to run the special trains and the amount remitted by the concerned people? 2 537. *W T : WT

Shivpnri-Gwalior Line declared as ( ^ ) WT *fT^7T it? Uneconomic Line % t o ft far ^r<4 2536. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- fr o i efhsrt % DIA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS vtferT tstoT % ihrrr tt- be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to review the report of the Comr.iit- (*T) wm TOT fftr rur^H tee appointed by Government same % eforf ir y rriaT* vfar* fa decades ago for declaring a particular railway line as un-economic; vh1*tsV qr i^^iT fwnrr 6i Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

m w % % TOTT absorbed in the R.P.F. and G.&.P. Cadres separately; irnft *rrar $r q r? *pt S ? (b) whether there is any proposal qftfirmr, Ttrnr* itix v i x * ***\ under Government's consideration to absorb more Emergency Commis­ (%h ihmft 5F^r wpmr) : (*) sioned Officers in R.P.F, and G R P. St (*0 ^ 1 ^ ?T*T*T JM ^t 2539. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE­ tffarcm , ^ r ^ f ^ r sfi MICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleas, fRw % f t «rtr tr^r ed to state: *rn fanr fif^ftfft-yrfaf: w=nft ffr ■o (a) whether the representation dated w h *r 7m arrrr fr i wfafrw t ^t t the 16th April, 1977 by Shri Hari Ram ei*im h"Y^RT 4HI^ *ihv Upadhayay, the representative of the Fertilizers Corporation Kamgar Union fTOHNft Wlftrr «T?T*P(ff*9 v f W R ir regarding rampant corruption by the T^% ^ r tot 5T%WT Wtr TUffqPT it officers causing loss of lakhs of rupees *nW,rt **TFRT fft in the matter of Sindri Modernisation Project has been received; and q r euft fan ^ntnn i (b) if so. the action taken by the Absorption of Emergency Commission­ Government or proposed to be lakm ed Officers In R.P.F. and G.K.P. to eliminate these social evils? 2538. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. state: CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) and (a) the number of Emergency Com­ (b). A representation dated 2-4-1977 missioned Officers who have been (and not 16-4-1977) was received from 63 Written Answers JULY S. 1977 Written Answers 64

Shri Hari Ram Upadhayay. The repre­ ftrftfTT % fwa sft w* m wrzr wt sentation contained general allegations of corruption against Officers of Slndri 3% *rr TT^fr *r?. fim *ptt f Unit of FCI but there were no specific allegations. Facts are being verified ( * ) rnm fa n * to the extent possible. % ft^TT *PTT | ? •

Sanction of Gas Connections in Delki vvft (tfto n n i ) : ( * ) 2540. SHRI RAM KANWAR BERWA; Will the Minister o f ’ PETROLEUM xfo ( * ) mar smnpr % 1- 6 - 7 7 AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ ZERS be pleased to state: H filfeiTT TT 6 W ^ (a) the number of persons register­ t t % 3 ^ ed for cooking gas connections vtith fern $ w f v wi various Indane Gas Agencies in Delhi during the year 1972-1973; qrj iqifHT T^T ifT I TOT ^

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(c) the date by which the persons v r t %ftr *rfe JT on the waiting list will be provided wri 1 with gas connections?

THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) OurinR t t j T f T f fTTWTSfT W lftl! W l the year 1972-73, the total number of persons who registered for cooking gas w fmj tiiiw ^ connections with various Indane Gas Agencies in Delhi was 30.433. 2542. y m r : * n (b) Out of the above number, only 414 persons are still on the waiting ?IWI THiHW ittT flrfl Mst. p r r v t v f * : (c) New Gas connection can be re­ leased to those on the waiting list only ( * )

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Election to Parliament and Legislative (b) The Government while review- Assemblies ing the tenure of the Committees de­ cided to dissolve them. 2543. SHRI DHARAM VIR VASISHT; Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE (c) The work done by these Commit­ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased tees was mostly a mere duplication of to state the number of sets contested the work done by different departments by each all India recognised political of the railways. party in (i) the Parliamentary poll (d) A statement is laid on the Table held in March, 1977 (ii) State Assem­ of the House. [Placed in Library. See blies polls held in June, 1977 and (iii) No. LT-620/ 77]. the polls in the Centrally administered areas held in June. 1977, together with the percentage of valid votes polled by each all India recognised party and wnr |^i«t h ttt% ?r*n mium regional parties recognised in States?

THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 2 54 5* TOW fa? : WIT SHANTI BHUSHAN); The information ^ ^iiH i I is being collected from the Election Commission and will be laid on the ( * ) VTT IPVJ* ^ Table of the House.

% ?n*r-qm ir i t ^mr Abolition of Standing Voluntary help ?twt vfq qnrn Committee and Committee for Social % jjxpf f=nft WlfcfilUl fft 5% Reforms fen $r ; 2544. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (^ ) WT VFZ qr iff pleased to state: ^rt 5tt ft <41 t o «n (a) whether Government have re­ cently dissolved the Standing VoJun- fTT T^T $ ; tary Help Committee and the Commit­ tee for Social Reforms on the Rail­ (*t) vttpt farfo % ?.h ways; wtr ioo (b) if so, the reasons therefor; qr *%wr^r qr *tptr (c) whether any useful and con­ % ftfTT fo r crete work was done by the said two 7 Committees during their existence and if so, main indications thereof; and (w) wt ymFR ft wt r z (d) the total duration of the said t fl< Committees, their personnel, the ex­ ^ f^ftr *ttt qw xnvfen penses incurred by both the Comndt- tees during their existence and the «r»lL f^ T T ^ ^ special privileges, if .any enjoyed by the members of these two so-called white elephants in the Railways?" (rfto *w |rawft) : ( * ) «KT r ^ fTRTOT THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS % VtT4

nfj-rnp fcTR TT %TT wnjfetT of the Oilfields (Regulation and Deve­ lopment) Act, 1948 the rate of royalty fr m »nn *rr 1 «rfr^r fr*ftt can be enhanced only once in four Tt swtw if T*r% *rsrt years. The next revision upwards can­ % wspftw it Jrsfr »%*rc qr not therefore be before 8-9-1980. % *ih *ftr arc ^ tt Reinstatement off Workers of I960 ^ HT TT 5TT WT^ferf Strike in Secunderabad Division frrn «nn *rr 1 itttt* t» t*t STrT Tf 2547. SHRI DINESH CHANDRA 3fTSfrr#V *5ff fr f r d **rfrr

(c) whether there is any scope lor been subsidising the Railways. The setting up not only more fertilizer price payable to the Steel Plants, is plants but also petro-chemical units; approved by the Government on the and basis of proposals submitted by the (d) if so, the details thereof? Deptt. of Steel to the Cabinet. * (b) The question does not arilt. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) and (b). The quantity of the associated Non-Payment of Pay and Allowances gas expected to be available from the to Khalasis In Guntakal fields of Bombay High and North Bas- sein at an optimum level of production 2550. DR. SARADISH ROY: WiU the is likelj to be of the order of about 4 Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to million cubic metres per day. It is state: proposed to set up additional fertilizer capacity based on Bombay High Gas whether Government are aware taking into account the fact that the that in spite of the judgement of the most profitable utilisation of gas is in Andhra Pradesh High Court in favour the manufacture of nitrogenous ferti­ of Khalasis of Carriage and wagon lizers. Department, Traffic Department Diesel Mechanical and Electrical Diesel (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. Consultants Loco Shed in Guntakal, the Kbalasis have been appointed to study the have not yet been paid, pay and allow­ feasibility an^ the desirability of set­ ances in full for the period of termi­ ting up a new petrochemical complex nation of their services; based on the appropriate fractions of the offshore associated gas. A decision regarding the establishment of a petro­ (b) whether Government h&ve in­ chemical complex can be taken after structed the concerned authorities to the consultant's report is received and pay their dues; and studied. (c) if so, when?

Wheel sets supplied at Subsidized THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Rates by Durjrapur Steel Plant (PROF MADHU DANDAVATE)- (a) The Andhra Pradesh High Court in 2549. SHRI ROBIN SEN; Will the their judgement had not referred to Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to payment of wages for the period the state; petitioners were out of employment.

(a) whether Government are aware (b) and (c). Do not arise. that while Jhe Railways have been importing about 26,000 wfieel sets every year at a cost of about Rs. 7 Supply of Bombay High Gas to crore, the Durgapur Steel Plant has Gujarat State been subsidising the railways every year on the supplies by over Rs. 10 2551. SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEH­ crore; and TA; Will the Minister of PETROLEUM (b) if so. the reaction 0f Govern­ AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- ment thereto? ZERS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (a) whether the Central Government (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE); (a) have decided to give a share of Bom­ No. Durgapur Steel Plant has not bay High Gas to Gujarat State; Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(b) if so, the total amount of share manufacture. The possibility of utilis­ to be given to the State of Gujarat ing the lighter fractions in the short from the Bombay High Gas; run for power generation until new fertilizer units are commissioned is also under consideration. (c) whether Government had taken a decision to set up a pipeline to 2. To monitor the sanction and im­ carry some of the gas from Bombay plementation of the new projects aris­ High to Gujarat to meet the require­ ing out of the utilisation of the Bom­ ments of the State; bay High associated gas, a special 1 Inter-Ministerial Committee has been constituted. The Special Committee (d) if so, when the pipeline ia would consist of Secretaries of the likely to be laid; and Ministry of Petroleum, Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilizers, Ministry of (e) the expenditure involved there­ Energy, Department of Expenditure, on? Planning Commission and otheru.

3. The Government have also decid­ THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ed that feasibility studies should be CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS initiated for transporting free ^as from (SHRI H. N- BAHUGUNA): (a) to the South Bassein field to Gujarat (e). The question of the optimal utili­ through an appropriate pipeline sys­ sation of the crude oil and associated tem. gas of the Bombay High field has been under Government's consideration right from the time the discovery was known Inuuence of Money in Election to be of commercial significance. In February, 1975, Government appointed a Working Group consisting of experts 2552. SHRI M. N. GOVINDAN and representatives of the industry to NAIR: recommend measures for the optimal SHRI M. KALYANASUNDA- utilisation of the Bombay High oil and RAM: gas. While the recommendations of the Working Group were under exami­ Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE nation, representations were received AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased from the Government of Maharashtra to state: and Government of Gujarat concern­ ing certain aspects of the utilisation of the associated gas from Bombay High. (a) whether Government have given The entire matter has been discussed any thought to the problem of money at a series of inter-ministerial meetings power in elections; and as also with the Chief Ministers of Gujarat and Maharashtra and a deci­ * (b) if so, what concrete steps are sion taken thereafter on techno-econo­ proposed to be t&ken to minimise the mic considerations that pipelines should influence of money in elections? be laid for the transport of oil and ■associated gas from the Bombay High Ifleld to Trombay via Uran, where a THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE shore terminal would be established. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI The associated gas would be fraction- SHANTI BHUSHAN); (a) and (b)\ iated and the liquified petroleum gas The question of reducing election ex* [extracted from it and supplied to the penses will inter alia be examined as Consumers. The heavier fractions part of the proposals for the reform would be mixed with crude stream and of the electoral law under considera­ fthe Tighter fractions used for fertililer tion. 75 Written Awipers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 76 HR srcw aitajT ?rv Marathe Committee Reports on Ferti­ WfTUT 3IPTT liser Prices

2555. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: 2 5 5 3 . «rt h t s“w tw Will the Minister of PETROLEUM, TOt 1T5 9RTTT vt f»rr +<«l fe : CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (*>) ^TT V^ITTT fTt (a) whether the Marathe Com- j|Vi4< *jtt ^r% £ ; mittee on 'ertilizer prices has submit­ ted its report to Government; «ftr (b) if so, it8 main recommendations; (^ ) sfe $1, cfT T* fV I lf^ fr^TT jfT^m ? (c> how far these recommenda­ tions have been aci»pted; anti fc* iT'Tft (5rt® ** ^ ) : (d) whether they have recommend­ { * ) I ed a system of retention prices of various fertilizers? (^ ) sr^r 5t?t ^set at that is under the consideration of Cmera- particular period of time. ment. -77 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899j (SAKA) Written Answers 78

Re-Instalment of Temporary work­ qftfwm 3*qrvli *ft wrouTm men in Guntakal Division \ 2556. SHRI P, RAJAGOPAL ■ 51 - , NAIDU; Will the Minister of RAIL­ '*2557. Wlf TCW : WT WAYS be pleased to state: inn t o t r wVt w t ? (a) whether about one thousand ^ i

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(*T) flTO f^TT which would increase the production capacity from 196JHI5*T (iv) Expansion of tie Antibiotics f e n TOT ^ :— Plant, Rishikesh, involving an invest­ ment of Rs. 15.31 ?rores tpj snffa^far mvhr ; *it o Government have l«o approved TO 3750 ftto ; ^TUTTrT 3d 'or ir vestment of Rs. 89.17 lakhs *n a company set up by the Punjab State Industrial Deve­ Assistance Sought by ID PL to In­ lopment Corporation for the manufac­ crease Production of Drugs ture of Dextrose, Starch, Glucose etc. 2558. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: Will he Minister of PETROLEUM, to tf to! ft nfroni wv ft ftrr fro^i CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: fvft nft yqum ftgi

* (a) whether the Indian Drugs and 2 5 59. TTo RMft JTPTinT *ltTO : Pharmaceuticals Limited has sought assistance of Government to increase W7T fiffa, yum %fh frwrft fmf ftsfV the production of drugs in the country; TO «HM fft f^fT ¥7^ fw : and ( t ) t o 5*t v f f ft PffiH *mr- (b) if so, the decision of Govern­ ment thereon? ston fft srfrori’ to ft ftwT fro?r fann to t ; xftx

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2563 SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: ( ^ ) v^ rV ^wr-zfjpn, *rrf? Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be % 3»TT PfftW^l % W*TU The Government of West Ben­ ¥ t «rr*

(b) the number of railway acci­ court of Claims Commissioners pay­ dents that took place after 18th March. ments are arranged by the Railway 1977 uptodate after the new Govern­ Administration. ment assumed power at the Centre together with the number of persons In the case of railway employees, who lost their lives and who were in­ who were killed or injured in rail­ jured; and way accidents during 18th March, 1976 to 17th March, 1977, a sum of (c) total compensation paid to the Rs. 3,19,889 has been paid under the victims to such rail accidents from 18th Workmen’s Compensation Act in a March, 1970 to 17th March, 1977 and few cases, while in other cases, the after 18th March, 1977 separately? matter is under examination.

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS So far as railway employees who (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): were killed in accidents after 18th (a) and (b). The number of train March, 1977 are concerned, their accidents in the categories of colli­ cases are under examination. sions, derailment, level crossing acci­ dents and fires in trains during the MRTP Commission’s Enquiry against periods 18th March, 1976 to 17th Andhra Prabha Pvt. Ltd., Indian March. 1977 and 18th March, 1977 to Newspapers, Bombay and Indian 1 Tth June, 1977 and casualties in­ Express, Madurai volved therein are given below:— 2565. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: 18-3-76 t' 18-2-77 Will the Ministep of LAW, JUSTICE »7-3-77 17-6-77 AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas­ ed to state: i ■ N"'. c f train acci­ dent* 783 221 (a) whether the Government have received the enquiry report of MRTP ?. Casual hes Commission with regard to the cases (a^ Railway staff of (i) considerable amount taken from filled 23 14 commercial banks, both advances and deposits, having been utilised for Imured '33 44 (b) Paaecn^Ts non-newspaper business (ii) a sum of Rupees 11 crores having been utilised Killed 66 99 on purposes unrelated to newspaper Injured 314 254 publication, by the Andhra Prabha Private Ltd., Vijayawada, lodiap (c) Othars Newspapers, Bombay (P vt) Ltd., and Killed 57 30 the Indian Express, Madurai (Pvt.) Ltd., referred under Section IT of Iijured 131 77 MRTP Ac* on *®d December, l#7i;

(e) Rs. 50,000 have bee* pnid t* (b) if so. what action has been the victim* of rati accidents from 18tt* taken on the report; and March, 1970 17th March, lf?7 and nil from 18th March, 1977 to 30th (c) if the report is not recetved so June, 1977 under the Indian Rail­ far what is the position of enquiry? way. Act, 1800. THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS­ The claims are preferred to the TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS Ad-hoc Claims Commissioners/Ex - (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) officio Claims Commissioners. On tbs The reference u/s 27 of the Mono­ basis of the verdict given by polies and Restrictive Trade Practices 87 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 88

'* r Act was made on 2nd December, 1975 Conversion to broad gauge line and the report of the Monopolies and between Ahmedabad and Delhi Restrictive Trade Practices Commis­ sion is awaited. 2567. SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (b) Does not arise. pleased to state: t (a) the time by which the work (c) The matter is fixed for hearing on the construction of Delhi-Ahmeda- before the Commission on 25th July, bad broad gauge link via Jaipur is 1977. to start and whether Government have sanctioned any outlay for it and ihe progress of work made in this Double Railway Line between Khalil - regard; and pur and Garhi Harsaru (Northern Railway) (b) what will be total cost of con­ verting this track into broad gauge and when is it expected to be com­ 2566. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ pleted; and DIT: Will the Minister of RAIL­ WAYS be pleased to state: (c) will this be a double line track? (a) whether metre gauge railway line between Delhi and Rewari was THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS doubled long ago leaving a little por­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): tion between Khalilpur and Garhi (a) and (b). The project has been Harsaru railway stations as single line; included in the Budget for 1977-78 at an estimated cost of Rs. 108 crores, (b) if so, the reasons for not com­ with outlay of Rs. 10 lakhs. The work pleting it in view of the fact that is yet to be started. six trains cross each other between these places and the trains are gene­ (c) No. rally delayed in this very place; and

(c) when Government would cons­ R Rnmvni fft iw truct this portion also? 2 568. vft fin w : fzrr ftrfW, THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS *nu tfhr c p r V f r o v t r f>t (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Yes. frT*T fir ir 5 ^ fT7% % 9TT^ % 3Tff< (b) The doubling of Khalilpur- ffr fireifrgi qr gm m Garhi Harsaru portion was not com- (emplated, as the line capacity avail­ able is quite adequate for meeting Fnfrr ? the traffic requirements. fafa, iflT fro (c) The entire metre gauge route from Ahmedabad to Delhi is propos­ STlfa? if 3 *^ ed Co be converted from MG to BG. fft WiImh fR% % fan "ZWf 5T^T This project envisages a through HTftfT & f?t$ ftrwpcvi 5TT

Shortfall In quota of S/C in grades Price of wheel set manufactured in of P.WXb. and P.W.Ms. (Northern Wheel and Axle Unit of Durgapur Railway) Steel Plant 2570. SHRI SAMAR MUKHER- 2569. SHRI R. L. KUREEL: Will JEE: Will the Minister RAIL­ the Minister of RAILWAYS he WAYS be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether the Railways have (a) whether any steps are being been giving a price of just R9- 2,750 taken to make good the Shortfall in per wheel set to the wheel and axle the quota of Scheduled Castes in the unit of Durgapur Steel Plant while cadres of PWIs Grade I, Grade II, it costs near three times to the plant; Grade and PWM in Northern (b) whether Government are aware Railway; that imported price of a wheel set which the railways used to import, (b) whether any special steps are is even higher around Rs. 10,000; and being taken to ascertain the correct­ ness of figures of shortfall of quota (c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment thereto? of scheduled castes employees in the Railways submitted by the depart­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS mental officers; and (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) The price of wheel set paid by (c) whether in the whole of the Railways, is Rs. 3116 per wheel Lucknow Division of Northern Rail­ way, there are only two scheduled set of 20.3 tonne exclusive of duties as approved by the Government on caste APWIs whereas the total the basis of proposals submitted by strength of APWIS is more than 50 and there are only two scheduled the Department of Steel in accord­ castes Permanent Way-Mistries ance with their dual pricing policy. out of a total strength of 75? (b) and (c). The price of imported wheels includes ocean freight, insur­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ance and custom duty. The import (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): is resorted to only when the indigen­ (a) Yes. ous producers are unable to meet the demands. (b) Yes. The price to be paid to the Durga­ (c) On Lucknow Division of Nor­ pur Steel Plant has been examined thern Railway, the strength of Per­ by the Ministry of Steel and Railways manent Way Inspectors Grade III and a provisional price of Rs. 4,308 (Previously designated as Asstt. Per­ for 20.3 tonne wheel set has been manent Way Inspectors) and Perma­ fixed subject to verification by the nent Way Mistries as on 1st April, Chief Cost Accounts Officer of the 1977 was as under: Ministry of Finance and approved by Cabinet.

Total NO. r f Construction of Diva-Basin Railway strength S . Cas­ te? in Maharashtra 2571. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will Permanent Wav Ins­ the Minister of RAILWAYS be pect re Gr. r n . 54 1 pleased to state:

^erminent Way Mis­ (a) what is the progress of Diva- tries . 3« Nil Basin Railway construction in Thana District Qf Maharashtra; 9 1 Wtitten Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 92

(b) when the said project has been % tot $ undertaken and when it is likely to tft? % far? q f^ sR T m be completed as per original sche­ dule; faarr t o t $ 1 (c) whether the schedule is being kept-up, if not, what are the reasons; Victimisation of Parcel Porters at and Allahabad Railway Station

(d) when would the said project 2573. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD now to be completed? YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL­ WAYS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) whether memorandum dated (a) Earth work and bridges are in 14th October, 1976 and 11th progress. The overall progress is 32 November, 1976 complaining victi­ per cent. misation of parcel porters working at Allahabad Railway Station under the (b) The project was started in Railway Station Porters’ Cooperative March 1973. As per the original sche­ Labour Contract Society, Limited. dule. the work was to be completed Allahabad were received in his by 1st June, 1976. Ministry; and ! (c) It has not been possible to keep (b) if so, whether any action .was to the schedule due to paucity of initiated for redressal of grievances funds. of parcel porters?

(d) The project is targetted for THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS completion by March, 1980. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Yes.

(b) The Society has been taken up firarrrr mimi for its failure and the matter is under further examination of the Adminis­ tration. 2572. '»*' • ?i;t *Tcft qrlln ^ ^TT Goods handling contracts

2574. SHRI JAGDAMI PRASAD * a farft SPTfb ff % ; YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL­ WAYS be pleased to state:

g*TT *TT ; *ft7 (a) whether goods handling con­ tracts are awarded to Labour Co­ operative Societies on piece rate basis (*T) ^ ^TRT ^t and such rates are being fixed by the 3TPt*TT ? Committee of three gazetted officers;

(b) whether any yardstick has 1nft (sfto : (^7) been fixed by the Railway Board for (n). 5T observance by the Committee to VTVRT RTvfft T tty 5fT^T ft % \ enable workable and reasonable rates being fixed for, each individual opera­ pTrft ft ^lWT TlT “ ^TT^T fiwrft tion of the schedule; 9 3 'Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 94

(c) the details of piece rates fixed (c) whether successful tenderers schedule itemwise for goods handling did not turn up to start the work contracts at Allahabad, Mirzapur, from the dates stipulated in the Naini, Juhi TPT, Kanpur Central tender acceptance letters; and Goods Sbed, Cooperganj (MG), Tundla' and Chunar together with (d) if so, what action was taken by the Divisional Superintendent to dates from which these rates were safeguard the interests of Railway made applicable; and Administration? (d) whether local wage rate and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS other relevant facts and factors were (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): taken into consideration by the Rate fixing Committee while fixing rates (a) The names of the parties who for individual items of work at goods submitted tenders for allotment of Cycle Stand Contract at Kanpur dur­ sheds mentioned in part (c) above? ing the year 1974, 1975 and 1977 to­ gether with the amount offered by THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS the individual tenderers are as (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): under:— (a) Yes.

(b) No. However, broad guidelines Rs. have been laid down by the Railway Board that the Rates Committee i. M/s M.D. & C". 1.31,cco should recommend rates with due re­ gard to the local conditions, taking 2. M'sRaza&Co. 1,: 9,000 into consideration the minimum wage 3. Mohd. Farid Idrisi 99 9!9 rate fixed for labour by the local authority, or where it does not exist, 4. Mohd. Sabir 98,700 the market rate, the statutory obliga­ 5. M /i Nirankari Ergircerirg tions such as weekly off, bonus etc., C rp ratirn 87,050 the volume of work and other rele­ 82,000 vant factors. 6. Sh. Kudrrtdin . 77,101 (c) A Statement is laid on the Table 7. M/a Patla Trader? of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-621/77]. 1975 1. M/s Banncy & C . 1,32,coo (d) Yes. 2. M/s Dinesh & C 1,11,cco

Cycle stand contract at Kanpur 3. M/e M .D .& C\ 1,10.000

4 . Sh. Kudrat din 3,CCO 2575. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL­ 1977 WAYS be pleased to state: t. Mchd. Farid Idrisi 1,50,000

(a) the names of the parties who 2. M/s Scema & C . i,.:6,ooo submitted tenders ^for allotment of Cycle Stand Contract at Kanpur dur­ 3. M/sR.S.V.M.&C". . *1.45,000 a's the year 1974, 1975 and 1977 4. M/s Shakecl Bros. . i,35,aoo together with amount r offered by mdividual tenderer; 5. M/s Rly. Parcels & G 'ods P rters Cr-op. Labe ur Cr n- (b) the names of the parties whose tract Society Ltd. 96.500 enders Were accepter by the Divi­ 95,000 sional Superintendent, Allahabad, 6. M/s Friends Trading C rp n . aunng the yearB 1974, 1975 and 1977; 7. M/s c aleem & C S 78,000 ^>5 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 96

In 1974 and 1975, the contracts were Rs. 5150 fixed by the Railway Admi­ not awarded to the highest tenderers, nistration; as their tenders were conditional. In 1977, the contract was not awarded (c) whether complaints were re­ to the highest tenderer as the earnest ceived by the Railway Admi»'stra- money had not been deposited. tion regarding short | inadequate pay­ ments to workers; and (b) The names of the parties whose tenders were accepted by the Divi­ sional Superintendent. Allahabad, (d) if so, whether any action has during the years 1974, 1975 and 1977 been taken by the ‘Principal Em­ are as under:— ployer* in terms of provisions made under Conti ji t Labour (Regulation & 1974 M/sRaza&Cr. Abolition) Act, 1970 to recover short 1975 . M/s Dinesh & C~. payments made to workers by the Society? 1977 ■ M/sSecma&Co

(c) Successful tenders did not turn THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS up to take up the work in 1974 and (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): 1975. In the year 1977, the success­ (a) Subsidy paid to Railway Station ful tenderer accepted the offer and Porters' Cooperative Labour Contract started work from 1st ' February, Society Ltd., A^ahab^d, for perform­ 1977. In the intervening period, the ing Parcels handling work at Allaha­ erstwhile contractor was allowed to bad Railway Station has been fixed work. on the basis of supply of 110 men daily at the rate of Rs. 5.50 per head (d) In 1974. the contractor took too The amount is increased by l'6th for much time in completing the docu­ giving weekly rest to the workers. ments. After that he backed out. The earnest money could not be forfeited (b) Yes. as the scheduled time limit for for­ feiture of earnest money had elapsed. (c) Yes. The lapse is being taken up. (d) The Society has been taken up In 1975, M/s. Dinesh & Co. who for Us failure and the matter is were offered the contract, did not under further examination of the take up the work. Their earnest mo­ administration. ney was forfeited.

Parcel^ handling work at Allahabad Revenue from Goa Daman and iHu

2576. SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL­ 2577. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: WAYS be pleased to state: Wil] the Minister of RAILWAYS be be pleased to state the annual income (a) the basis for fixation of sub­ to the Central Exchequer from sidy paid to Railway Station Porters’ Railways in Goa, Daman and Diu? Cooperative Labour Contract Society L td , Allahabad, for performing THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS parcels handling work at Allahabad Railway Station; (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Information about income and ex­ (b) whether the Society was/is penditure is not compiled State-wise .obliged to pay daily wage rate of but Railway-wise. -97 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

Conversion of Gwalior-Shivpuri Lime (c) if so, what action has been into Broad Gauge Lin© and Its Ex­ taken against the corrupt officers and tension upto Guna prevent such incidents in future?

2578. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS DIA: Will the Minister of RAIL­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): WAYS be pleased to state: (a) No case of general harassment of student groups from Delhi at Meh­ (a) whether Government have received representation from the sana Station has come to notice. In Gwalior Commerce and Industry an incident on 30th May, 1977, 2nd Organisation for the conversion of class coach No. 34213 in which dele­ Gwalior-Shivpuri railway line into gates of Gandhi Peace Foundation broad gauge line; had arrived at Mehsana by 35 UP Kirti Express, was declared sick on (b) whether the Organisation has examination by the Train Examiner stressed the need to extend it upto and arrangements made by the rail­ Guna to link Indore via Maksi; and way authorities to tranship the dele­ gates to another coach (Mahesana- (c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Ahmedabad Slip coach) to be hauled ment thereto? by 67 UP, according to party’s origi­ nal programme. The delegates, THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS however, protested against the deci­ < PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): sion to mark coach No. 34213 as (a) A representation has been re­ ‘sick* and refused to shift to another ceived regarding construction of BG coach. line from Gwalior to Shivpuri. (b) No. (b) Yes. (c) Whenever any such complaints (c) Gwalior-Shivpuri Narrow Gauge are received these are looked into and line was closed to traffic on 1st August, action taken on merits. In the inci­ 1975 as it was attracting very little dent referred to in answer to part traffic and was running at heavy loss. (a)f following an enquiry by railway On account of paucity of resources, it officers, the Train Examiner and As­ will' not Be possible to consider cons, sistant Yard Master held responsible truction of a new line from Gwalior for delay in attending to the sick to Shivpuri and its (extension upto coach so that the same coach could Guna. go according to programme, are being taken up for departmental action.

Il&rrasament of a Group of Students at Mehsana Station Overbridge at Varkala

2579. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 2580. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: the Minister of RAILWAYS be SHRI K. KUNHAMBU: pleased to state: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS (a) whether a group of student from be pleased to state: Delhi visiting Gujarat are harassed and put to all difficulties by the Rail­ (a) whether Government received way authorities at Mehsana Railway many representations for the cons­ Station; truction of an overbridge at Varkala (Kerala);

(c) when win the work commence Role of Public Sector in Oil Industry and the time by which it is likely to & Trade be completed? 2582. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): MICALS AND FERTILIZER3 be (a) Two representations have been pleased to state the present role of received by the Railway for the pro­ public sector in the whole oil indus­ vision of a road overbridge at Var- try and trade in the country? kala (on Varkala-Kallambalam Road) in replacement of level crossing a* THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, km 786/13-14. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): Except (b) Proposals for the construction for Oil India Limited, which operates of road over/under bridges in re­ in a limited area in Assam and Aru- placement of level crossings are to nachal Pradesh, exploration and pro­ be sponsored by the State Govern­ duction of crude oil and natural gas ment (Road Authority), who have in the country is looked after by the also to give as undertaking to bear public sector. In the field of refining their share of the cost as per extant and marketing only Assam Oil Com­ rules. The representationists have pany, which has a small refinery at been accordingly advised to move the Digboi, is yet to be taken over by i State Government to sponsor the pro­ the public sector. Negotiations for posal. No communication in this re­ the take over of Assam Oil Company gard has so far been received from and Burmah Oil Company’s interest the State Government. in Oil India Ltd. are in hand and are expected to conclude in a few months time. (c) Does not arise, in view of reply to (b) above. Corporate Plan for Indian Railways

2583. SHRI SARAT KUMAR KAR: Reaction of State Government on Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be Conversion of Uneconomic RaHway pleased to state: Lines (a) whether there is any proposal to implement a corporate plan of 2581. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will fifteen years for Indian Railways; the Minister of RAILWAYS be and pleased to state: (b) if so, what specific proposals (a) whether Government had sent are made in that plan for a backward proposals to certain states for the state like Orissa? conversion of uneconomic railway lines into roads; and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): v (t>) if so, the reaction of the State (a) and (b). Indian Railways have Governments in this regard? prepared a Corporate Plan giving the estimated rail transport requirements upto the year 1988-89 and also the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS measures required to be taken to (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): meet the demand. (a) No such proposals have been sent to the State Governments. Specific projects and proposals are to be finalised from time to time in (b) Does not arise. 4 ■ ' ' consultation with Zonal Railways and 101 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

Planning Commission, keeping in fer to Indian Railways, except for a view the needs of the area and the break of 2 years. resources available. (b) Extension of service has been granted for 2 years in three spells System of Proportional Representa­ between 10th February, 1976 to 28th tion for Election to State Legislatures February. 1978. and Parliament (c) No. 2584. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will the Minister of LAWt JUSTICE (d) The extensions were given by AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas- the then Minister on grounds of pub­ cd to state: lic interest and the work done by him at the Amritsar workshop. (a) whether the Government have arty plan to introduce the system of proportional representation for elec­ The Constitution (42nd Amendment) tions to State Legislatures and Parlia­ Act ment; and 2586. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: (b) if so, details thereof? Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas­ THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS­ ed to state: TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) (a) whether Shri N. A. Palkhivala, There is no proposal to introduce the Jurist has urged upon the Centre to system of proportional representation consider his suggestion that the Sup­ for elections to the House of the reme Court be asked to invalidate People and the Statc Legislative As­ the damage done by the 42nd amend­ semblies. ment to the Constitution; and (b) if so, Government's reaction (b) Does not arise. thereto?

K*tension to Dy. C.M.E. at Amritsar THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS­ TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) 2585. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: No, Sir. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) the length of service rendered by Shri G. S. Sokhey, Dy. CME at Amritsar; Demand for Broad Gauge line from Sholapur to Jalgaon (b) how many extensions has he fot already; 2587. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will fc) whether there are serious the Minister of RAILWAYS be grievances against this officer from pleased to state: am°ngst the workers there; and (a) whether there is a demand for (d) if so, reason for granting him a new broad gauge line from Shola­ ^nsiona? pur to Jalgaon via Osmanabad and Bhir in Maharashtra; and riIHE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS pOF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (b) Government’s decision there­ 21 years since he came on trans­ on? 103 Written Answers JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 104

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) (a) Yes. and (b). There has been no occasion when the Divisional Superintendent, (b) No investigations have been Chakradharpur Division has refused carried out for this rail link in the to accept the memorandum of de­ past. Due to severe constraint of re­ mands submitted by the staff. sources, it could not be possible to consider the construction of this line at present. Withdrawal of Victimisation Cases against R.D S.O. Railwaymen

Survey work on Konkan Railway 2590. SHRIMATI AHILYA P. RANGNEKAR: Will the Minister of 2588. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL RAILWAYS be pleased to state: REDDY: Will the Minister of RAIL­ WAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether Government are con­ sidering to withdraw all the victimi­ (a ) whether the survey work on sation cases against the RD.S.O. rail­ the proposed Konkan Railway has waymen; and been completed; and (b) if so. when and the details (b) if not, the reasons therefor and thereof? steps being taken to expedite the completion of survey work? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE); (a) THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS and (b). No staff of R. D. S. O. was (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): removed or dismissed from service ^n (a) and (b). A Final Location Sur­ connection witn the railways strike of vey and a traffic survey for Apta- 1974 or during the periol of emer­ Dasgaon section of the proposed gency. Apta-Mangalore (Konkan railway line) have been completed. A final There was. however, a case of one lodaCion survey from Dasgaon to Shri S. L Srivastave. LDC who was on Ratnagiri with spot checks on the unauthorised absence froir» 9-5-1974. earlier surveys from Ratnagiri to A case was registered against him by Mangalore is nearing completion. the Civil Police who arrested him on 25-5*1974. He was treated as having gone on striks from 9-5-1974 to Staff Union Demands in Chakradhar- 27-5-1974 and place under suspension pur Division from 28-5-1974. Subsequently, the suspension orders were revoked from 2589. SHRI M ATI AHILYA P. 18-6-1974 afternoon. The period from RANGNEKAR: Will the Minister of 9-5-1974 to 27-5-1974 has been treated RAILWAYS be pleased to state: as dies-non by condoning the break in service. Since the charges framed (a) whether attention of the Gov­ against him could not be proved based ernment has been drawn to the fact on the information furnished by the that the Divisional Superintendent Police authorities the period of his Chakradharpur Division has refused suspension from 28-5-1974 to 18-6-74 to accept the memorandum of de­ is being regularised as duty. mands submitted by the staff Union; and There was another case of two Casual Workers enjoying temporary (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ status. S/Shri Ram Dhari atid BinO# ment thereto? Prasad who had been imprisoned by Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers jo6 the U. P, Government during the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS emergency and who were subsequent­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) ly deemed to have resigned, under the and (b). The Directorate of Intelli­ rules, on completion of 90 days un­ gence set up in July. 1973 is function­ authorised absence. They have, how­ ing in the Ministry of Railways but it ever, been re-engaged with effect is not used %>r surveillance over from 5-5-77 after being released by trade union activists on Railways. the State Government with effect from The set up is retained, since the need 16-2-77. for which the Directorate was started continues.

Delay In Construction of Talcher Fertiliier Plant Countries visited by the Minister of Law, Justice and Company Affairs 2591. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM, CHEMI­ 2593. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: CALS AND FERTILIZER be pleased Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE t0 state for how many years has the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased construction of the fertilizer plant at to state: Talcher been delayed from the origi­ (a) whether he visited the United nal schedule of construction? States and some other foreign coun­ tries in the months of May and June, THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. 1977; CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): The coal (b) if so, the purpose of such a based fertilizer plant of FCI at Talcher visit together with the countries visit­ was scheduled to be mechanically ed by him and the duration of these completed ^in July, 1975. However, visits: and due to delays in the delivery of equip­ (c) whether any concrete agree­ ment. both imported and indigenous, the completion of the project has been ments were arrived at or specific broad areas of mutual understanding delayed and the project is now ex- were identified as a result of the said pt'Cted to be mechanically completed by October, 1977. visit?

THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE Special Intelligence Group to watch AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Activities of Trade Unions' SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Activities (b) As Leader of the Indian Delega­ 2592. SHRIMATI PARVATHI tion to the Sixth Session of the U. N. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of Conferenc on the Law of the Sea RAILWAYS be pleased to state: being held in New York, I was in' the U. S. A. from 28th May, 1977 to 11th (a) whether the special intelligence June, 1977. On my way to New York group set up by the Railway Ministry I stopped over in Moscow for two in May, 1974 to keep a watch on the days, that is on the 25th and the 26th activities of the trade unions' activists May, 1977. On the return journey in the Railways is still continuing its from U. S. A. I stopped over in London function; and for a day on the 12th June, 1977. Al­ though the visits to Moscow and (b) if so, what are the reasons for London were of an unofficial nature, staining the special set up even I utilised the opportunity for esta­ after normalcy has been restored in blishing contacts with the Soviet and the railways? British authorities for discussing mat- 107 Written Anstoers * JULY 5, 1977 Written Answers 108 ters connected with the Law of the (b) if so, broad details of how and Sea Conference. when Government propose to remedy and improve the said situation of rail

Improvement in Rail Communication ( t ) *7T JIf SFT | ft: In Saurashtra and Gujarat ir ijfr sjfFpfr v t «rir 2595. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: i t stp=?t p j Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be *r wlr *nw faro vrr vt pleased to state: u to* -4r *rr; (a) whether Government are aware that the railway network in the (*0 w t f t i m Saurashtra peninsula region of Guja­ 8nfw n v s ’v f3pt% rat is quite cumbersome and complex involving a lot of junctions and *rai<-r«r srt fire it, changes, tiring and long journeys* ^ ftrt ^ whr v t FCTRf slow moving trains, time consuming and breath-taking for the passengers; q r fZT»r ’Tfc-r* % fetj fim m r and ^ s^t ^ ? .109 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers n o

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and one tea stall contract at Vikhroli has been included in the budget for station of Central Railway were allot­ 1977-78. ted under the direct orders of Ihe for­ mer Minister of Railways. Contracts of Surveys for the following projects two tea stalls at Andheri and one at have been carried out during the re­ Grant Road stations of Western Rail­ cent years or are in hand. "No deci­ way were allotted with the approval sion about their construction hab been of former Minister of Railways after taken so far. taking into consideration the report of (b) Construction of Ratlam-Bans- Western Railway. wada broad gauge line. (b) Three persons belonging to (b) Construction of Bhavnagar- Uttar Pradesh were given contracts on Tarapore broad gauge line. Central and Western Railways. The Government is not aware whether (c) Construction of Apta-Mangalore these persons were personal men of broad gauge line. the former Railway Minister. (d) Construction of Wardha-Katol broad gauge line

New Railway Lines Conversion to (e) Conversion of Nadiad-Kapad- Broad Gauge Lines in Western Region vanj narrow gauge line to broad gauge and its extension to Modasa. 2599. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: (f) Conversion # Miraj-Kurduwadi Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be -Lature narrow gauge line to broad pleased to state: gauge and its extension to Latur Road.

(a) whether any new proposal has Proposals for the 6th Five Year been made for laying of new railway Plan have not been finalised so far. line Or converting metre gauge line into broad gauge line in Western Re­ gion during the next five years; and Reinstatement of Retrenched Work­ ers of P W.I. Section Jalpaiguri (b) if so, the salient features there­ (Northeast Frontier Railway) of? 2600. SHRI DINESH CHANDRA THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS JOARDER: Will the Minister of (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) RAILWAYS be pleased to state: and Cb). The following schemes inf the Western Region (Gujarat and (a) whether attention of Govern* Maharashtra) are in "hand:— ment has been drawn to the fact that (1) Conversion of Virarr.gam- the North East Frontier Railway au­ Okha/Porbandar metre gauge line thorities have retrenched 42 casual to broad gauge. workers of P .W .I. section, Jalpaiguri when the railways are following a (2) New Une from Diva to Basse­ policy of undoing the anti-labour ac­ in. tions of the previous Congress Gov­ ernment; and (3) New line from Wani to Chanaka. (b) if so, the steps taken to rein­ (4) Gauge conversion" of Man- state them? mad-Parbham-Purli-Baijnath metre gauge line to broad gauge. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Gauge conversion of Delhi-Ahmeda- and (b). 42 casual labourers working bad metre gauge line to broad gauge under the P.W.I. Jalpaiguri were dis­ 113 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers charged with effect from 16th April Minister of Railways and Minister of 1977. All of them have since been Steel and as a result of these discus­ re-engaged on different works. sions the Ministry of Railways have agreed to a further increase in the Lack of orders from Railways for price of 20.3-T.B.G. wheel sets by Rs. Durgapur Steel Plant 305/- each over the previous offer of Rs. 4,003/- (exclusive of duty) from 2601. SHRI ROBIN SEN: Will the 1st April 1976. The increased price Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to will be provisional subject to the veri­ state: fication by the Chief Cost Accounts Officer of the Ministry of Finance (a) whether due to the lack of and the Cabinet. order from the railways the wheel and axle unit of Durgapur Steel Plant Payment of Pension through Nationa­ which has been designed to cater lised Banks mainly to the Railways has been in­ 2602. DR. SARADISH ROY: curring losses year after year; SHRI KRISHNA CHAN­ (b) whether the plant authorities DRA HALDERj have been complaining that the rail­ Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be ways being the only buyer have been pleased to state: exploiting them by paying unremune- rative prices; and (a) whether Government are aware that the rural railway pensioners are (c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment thereto? facing trouble in their old age to get pensions from the far away, cities/ towns; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) (b) if soy the steps taken to miti­ No, Sir. Railways have always been gate their hardship; and taking over the entire production of Durgapur Steel Plant. In fact Rail­ ways have been continually urging (c) whether Government contem­ D.S.P. to step up production so as to plate to make arrangements for draw­ reduce/eliminate imports. ing of pensions from the nationalised banks? (Jd) The question of exploitation does not arise The prices are ap­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS proved by the Government on the (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) basis of proposals submitted by the Yes. Department of Steel to the Cabinet. (b) A Scheme for disbursement of The Steel Plants represented, during 1975, that the earlier prices fixed in pension to Railway pensioners through 1971 were un-remunerative. Post Offices was initially introduced in selected places with effect from (c) An Export Committee was cons­ 1-8-1976. This Scheme has now been tituted, in 1975. to go into the question extended to cover all the Head and of price. Based on the study mads Sub Post Offices in all States and by this Committee in August, 1975, Union Territories througout the country the Railways had offered to pay a with effect from 1-6-1977. Pensioners price of Rs. 4,003/- (exclusive of duty) drawing up to Rs. 100 per month have per wheel set of 20.3 tonne size the choice of receiving their pensions with effect from 1st April 1976. sub­ through Postal Money Orders at Gov­ ject to the approval of Cabinet being ernment expense; where the amount obtained ag against the then current of individual pension exceeds Rs. 100 Price of Rs. 3,116/- per 20.3 tonne wheel per month, the pensioner has the set (exclusive of duty). Since then this option to receive it through Postal question has been1 examined by the Money Order at his own expense. 115 Written Answers JULY 5, 1877 Written Answers #

(c) Yes. The facility of drawing (village Vadinar), designed to handle pension through N'iuonalised Banks is tankers ranging from 87,500 DWT available to Railway pensioners in 22 to very large crude carriers upto selected places with effect from 1-8-77 300,000 DWT capacity. The Si:igle (i. e. pension for the month ol July/ Buoy Mooring System is to be con­ 77 payable on 1st August/77). nected to the shore terminal tank- farm located at Vadinar by a 42'' Pipeline Project of Indian Oil Cor­ diameter pipeline 11 kms. long, half poration of its length being laid as submarine 2603. SHRI PRASANNBHA1 pipeline and the remaining half MEHTA: Will the Minister of PETRO running as on-shore pipeline. LEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTI­ (ii) The Shore Terminal at Sala.va LIZERS be pleased to state: (Village Vadinar) ig to have a net effective storage capacity o t 600,000 (a) whether the Indian Oil Cor­ tonnes. From this Shore Terminal poration is considering to have a Rs. crude will be pumped through the 2000 crore pipeline project Unking land pipelihe system to the existing the off-shore oil terminal for very refinery at Koyali and the proposed large crude carriers al Salaya (Nor­ refinery at Mathura. th West of Jamnagar in the Gulf of Kutch) to a bifurcation point at Vira­ (iii) The land pipeline system con­ mgam in Saurashtra; sists of a 275 kms. 23” diameter pipe­ line section from Salaya to Viran- (b) if so, the main features of the gam, a 141 km 18M dia-meter pipe­ same; and line section from Viramgam to Koyali, and a 804 Km 24'* din- meter (c) when it is likely to be complet­ pipeline section from Virarigam to ed? Mathura. The pipeline system is de­ THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. signed for an annual throughput of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS 3 million tonnes to Koyali and 7 mil­ (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Indian lion tonnes to Mathura initially, and Oil Corporation Ltd. have taken up is capable of being further expanded construction of off-shore terminal and to carry a throughput of 5 million Salaya -Viramijain-Mathura Pipeline tonnes to Koynli and 10 million with a branchliae from Viramgam to tonnes to Mathura in tuturc. Be­ Koyali for carrying imported and off­ sides having Terminal Stations at shore indigenous crude to the existing Koyali and a 804 km 24" dia-meter refinery at Koyali under expansion and of delivery of the criide to the res­ the new refinery at Mathura under pective refineries, the pipeline sy­ construction. stem will have suitable intermediate The cost of the pipeline project pump stations at various locations sanctioned at the feasibility stage in including one at Viramgam. with August, 1973 waw Rs. 1?0 rrore*. Due adequate pumping capacities, for to escalation in the cost of equipment carrying the above quantities of materials etc. the estimate has in­ crude oil. creased substantially. Jn 1974, it was (c) The offshore facilities and the assessed that the pipeline project pipeline sections linking Salaya Ter­ would cost Rs. 188 crore9. The latest minal to Koyali Refinery will be ready cost estimates are under preparation of in time to feed the expanded Koyali the Indian Oil Corporation. Refinery which is scheduled to be mechanically completed by the first (b) The pipeline project comprises quarter of 1978. The Viramgam-* ,o f the following; Mathura Section will be ready by De­ (i) A Single Buoy Mooring System cember, 1979, by which time the in the Gulf of Kutch, located at a Mathura Refinery Is also scheduled t« point about 11 kms. from Salaya be mechanically completed. U 7 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers u 8

Man! Halt In Jaunpur District for Tirunelveli derailed between Se- ydunganilur and Palayankottai; 2604. SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (b) if sot the facts of the accident; pleased to state whether a full (c) whether any enquiry has been platform and a shade for facility of conducted in to the derailment; and passengers are proposed to be con­ structed at Mani halt in Jaunpur dis­ (d) if so, the action taken against trict? those held responsible?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Manikalan halt is situated between and (b). At about 19.47 hours on G-6-77, Kheta Sarai and Maihrawan stations while No. 756 Up Tiruchendur-Tirune- on Lucknew—Faizabad-^Mughal Sarai leveli passenger train was running bet­ Section of the Northern Railway. For ween Seyduganallur and Palayankottai the convenience of passengers a rail stations on Madurai Divisions of level platform of suitable length and a Southern Railway, the engine along- .small waiting shed-cum-booking office with two coaches next to it .ierailed. already exist, which are considered As a result of this accident, six persons adequate. sustained injuries, of whom one was grievous.

(c) and (d). Yes, According to the finding of the Inquiry Committee, the to firarrr accident was due to an act of sabotage by some person Or persons unkown. 2 60 5. TO :: TOT Police investgation is in progress. yTT *T ■^fs^TT? % + m! h 3SIPT TO Request by Shaw Wallace and Com­ pany for setting up Fertilizer TO jf e *T tft Plant His»i to fV^TR ^fTT ^rnr <*>«! ctt 2607. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: f e n ^tttitt ? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: *wrwt (rfto IT* *«¥*&) : f^Tcf *r ^ % TO$ (a) whether Shaw Wallace and Company has asked Government to Tft ipft ^ I SWTOTf tn ft rtrft % allow the company to set up a fertili­ zer plant and a pesticide plant in the country; ^t^tt jt t o t i (b) if so, decision of the Govern­ Itecallment of Timchendur Passan- ment thereon; ger Train fc) when these plants are likely to be set up; and 2606. SHRI R. V. SWAM I NATH AN: the Minister of RAILWAYS be (d) what will be their total capa­ Pleased to state: cities?

(a) whether recently 100 passen­ THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, gers received serious injuries when CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS the engine and two adjoining coaches (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) Yes, °f Tiruchendur passenger train bound Sir. 119 Written Answers JULY 5 1977 Written Answers 120

(b) to (d). A letter of intent was THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS issued in December, 1974 in favour of (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) M/s. Nagarjuna Fertilizers Limited, a Yes. company proomted by Sbaw Wallace for setting up a fertilizer plant in (b) According to the provisional Kakinada, Andhra Pradesh with the finding of the Additional Commissio­ following capacities: — ner of Railway Saftey, Bombay, the accident was due to failure of railway Nitrogen 2,28,000 tpa staff. P.O. 81,600 tpa (c) The cost of damage to railway KtO 6*,700 tpa property has been estimated at ap­ proximately Rs, 34,805/-. As the project has not yet been taken up for implementation, it is not possi­ (d) The time limit for filing the claims ble to say as to when the plant is with the Claims Commissioner is thiee likely to be completed. months from the date of accident. Three claims for compensation under The company has applied for nn in­ the Indian Railways Act, 1890 have dustrial licence for the setting up of a been received. The claimants have plant for the manufacture of the follow­ been advised to Ale their claims with ing technical grade pesticides at the ex-officio Claims Commissioner. Haldia: — On the basis of the verdict of the Court of the Claims Commissioner, Malathii n 300 tpa payments wili be arrange to the parties by the Railway Administra­ Dimetht'te 150 ipa tion. Fenitrc thio n 300 tpa (e). No. Ethic n 100 tpa Poor performance by Southern Their application is under consideraton. Nitro-Chemicals

2609. SHRI R. V. SW AMIN ATH AN £ Derailment of a Train near Matheran Will the Minister of PETROLEUM, (Bombay) CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: 2608. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (a) whether Southern Nitro-chemi- pleased to state; cals ha8 again shown a poor perfor­ mance in production of Nitric Acid (a) whether three persons were and Sodium Nitrate during 1976; killed and some passengers injured when five bogies of a train derailed (b) whether the company has pro­ at a place 8 km from Matheran at duced these acids only 40 per cent of Bombay on 10th June, 1977; its installed capacity; (b) if so, the causes of the acci­ (c) the main reasons for the slow dent; production; (c) the total loss suffered by the (d) whether the management of Railways as a result thereof; the company has approached the G ov. emment for approval of foreign col­ (d ) compensation given in respect laboration in respect of manufacture of those who have been killed; and of concentrated nitric acid; and (e) whether this was the 20th acci­ (e) if so, whether Government have dent of Railways 8ince March, 19777 given their approval? 121 Written Answers ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. (c) A proposal to provide an addi­ CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS tional sectional service on Pakala- .SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) lo (c). Dharmavaram section is under consi­ M/s. Southern Nitro Chemicals have deration and action as feasible will be improved their performance in 1976 as taken. There are also proposals to ra­ compared to the previous year. Their tionalise train service between Tiru- production of Nitric Acid and Sodium pathi-Katpadi section. nitrate in 1976 was 2287 and 513 tonnes respectively as against 1495 *ind J51 tonnes during 1975. The capacity uti­ fff *nn «m vtwemf * lisation of Nitric Acid and Sodium Nitrate was 76 per cent and 17 per cent fwj

2610. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: ( ) : TOTRT + K +R Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be % 26 1976 Vt pleased to state: % T T ^ T (a) whether it is a fact that train sftfo % NH 51^^ ^ 1 Nos. 121 and 122 running between Tirupathi and Katpadi and 247 and *TT I

ftre.ifcvi f t ipft ift f r f a TT 191st Report for 1975-76 that a com­ prehensive long-term and clear cut SPTt«T f%m policy for construction of new rail­ arr^ %ftr ^fr ^ finprt jtofhY way lines on a systematic basis $ f WT vt $TT % fair should be spelt out before Parlia­ ment. This recommendation has been qr ^ jyrr^r wrfr^ accepted by the Government and the Pw t TUt I matter is under active consideration of the Ministry of Railways. The po­ Special Checks against Ticket less licy when finalised in consultation Travel with other concerned Ministries will be placed before the Parliament for 2612. SHRI RAMAN AND TIWARY: their consideration. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state;

(a) the number ot special checks srorm conducted against ticketless travel on all the zonal railways from 1st April. 1977 to 30th June, 1977; and 2 614. VTo ?TTTro«T qi«SlT : (b) the number of persons prose­ cuted and fine realised 'rom them W$t *?TPr f t fqT % : together with the number of persons sent to jail? ( ^ ) WT TOTT irtTO ITJHT fTt THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Sft7 VfaW' FTCT ifarfWT f t (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). Figures for the month OTPT T f^ ft 5F?TTO q r f f t i „ of June, 1977 are not yet available. However, during the period 1-4-1977 to 31-5-1977, 17,152 special checks were conducted against ticketless travel. ( * ) zfc eft Z rW 'tft RtT^3T During these checks 53,489 persons ft ? were prosecuted. Out of these ?5t731 were sent to jaiL Judicial fine to the tune of Rs. 2,50,432/- was realized. Tm n* t w t v Laying of New Railway Lines to cor­ (tf frroft JT^TipTWT) : (*) %f\T rect Imbalance between Developed (a). x t p ft 5r , and Underdeveloped Regions srfrfafa 8 1975 2613. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: T T f t 'ft, IfY ro r t T Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be “in m f t q fa fa 5r v f ir v r * pleased to state: 117 zz r m i tt ttt tinifli $ irt7 (a) whether Government have adopted any strategy to lay new lines fm ft it ff ffBT O fa fT fTretftun in the country to correct the imba­ if q p r * ff m 3TPt ?ttPf mr lance between developed and under­ jjfafanr ffr m f a W V w tiifi % developed regions; and q r fc r r inrr % i (b) if so, the details thereof? snfra mr iff fiw rfiw f t $ f f THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS fern irnt f*F WTCTt (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). The Public Accounts ‘Committee had recommended in their m1 i ft I "3?qpr^T v t 125 Written A nsw ers AS AD HA 14, 1890 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 ■Vl W

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Compensation claims about Victims between Trivandrum-Mangalore and of Railway Accidents Bombay-Cochin, in the last three years; 2618. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (to) if so, the salient features of the survey; and pleased to state: (c) the steps taken to improve the (a) whether Government received traffic facilities in these sectors? claims of compensation from the de­ pendents of the victims of the Rail­ way accidents during the las* three THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS months; (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE) : (a) to (c). A periodical census of (b) if sor the total number of occupation of non-suburban passen­ claims received in respect of the per­ ger carrying trains is conducted twice sons killed and injured in various a year. In addition to 9 daily through accidents; coaches by 11/12 and 13/14 Express trains, 81/82 Bombay-Emakulam/ (c) total number of claims settled Mangalore Jayanti Janata Express has so far; and been introduced from 26th January, 1976 and its frequency increased (d) the reasons for the delay in from weekly to bi-weekly from 21st settling all the claims? June, 1976 for Cochin-Bombay Pas­ sengers. After opening of Trivan- THE MINISTER FOR RAILWAYS drum-Emakulam broad-gauge line, (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): 39/30 Mangalore Emakulam- Malabar (a) Yes. Express and 47/48 Cannanore-Cochin (b) The total number of claims re­ Express have been extended to run to an

(b) whether it is also a fact that (a) As on 31st March, 1976, there diesel engines intended for goods were 22,449 unmanned level crossings trains were diverted for these wor­ on the Indian Railways. kers' special trains on 2nd June, 1977; end i t (b) The Railways undertake peri­ odical census of road and rail traffic (c) if so, whether it is the policy at unmanned level crossings to re­ of the Government to permit all view the need for their manning, Cak­ Kailway employees to have special ing into account various factors such lree trains for attending their Con­ as density of traffic, visibility, acci­ ferences? dent proneness, etc. Based on such Fevjew9t a certain number of level THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS oroeaings is manned every year in (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): consultation with the State Govern­ (a) Five pairs of special trains were ments. During the five years from run to and from Madras for clearance 1971-72 to 1975-76, 234 level crossings of delegates attending a trade union were manned. conference convened by the Southern Railway Mazdoor Union at Madras on In the interest of safety, gatemen 2nd June, 1977. employed for manning level crossings are required to possess some know­ (b) Since the number of coaches ledge and experience of using signals, on these specials were as many as 18, train working, action to be taken in which could not be hauled by steam the case of emergency and so on. locomotives, diesel engines were uti­ They are also required to be medi­ lized. cally fit as per norms laid down by the Railways. (c). No. It is however, the prac­ tice on the railways that whenever It would thus be appreciated that there is an extra rush of traffic which employing people without proper cannot be cleared by normal train training and knowledge of railway services and even by attaching addi­ working will neither improve matters tional bogies to regular trains, special nor help in reducing accidents at the trains are arranged at railways con­ unmanned level crossings. Moreover, venience to clear the rush of passen­ it would be extremely difficult to ex­ gers. ercise necessary control to ensure that such people perform their duties effectively. Employment of persons to look after Unmanned Gates There is therefore, no proposal to employ people to look after unmann­ 2621. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will* ed gates on a consolidated pay in toe Minister of RAILWAYS be order to provide rural employment Pleased to state: and to avoid railway accidents. (a) the total number of unmanned ?ates in Indian Railways; and Casual Labourers In Darjeeling-BQ- (b) whether Government propose malayan Railway J® employ some people to look after unmanned gates on a consolidated pay in order to provide rural employ- 2622. SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: Will ^nt and to avoid railway accidents the Minister of RAILWAYS be such gates? * pleased to state:

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Complaint against M/s. Blase Adver­ Dharaa before the main stall of M/s. tising Private Ltd., Bombay A. H. Wheeler and Company by Book-Stall Vendors

2630. SHRI K ANWAR LAL GUPTA: Will the Minister of LAW, 2631. SHRI RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be be pleased to state: pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have re­ (a) whether the members of North­ ceived any complaint against M/s. ern Railway Book-Stalls Vendors As­ Blaze Advertising Private Ltd., Bom­ sociation started dhama on the 20th bay; May, 1977 before the main Stall of M/s. A. H. Wheeler and Company; (h) if so, the details thereof and the action taken by the Government (b^) if so, whether their dispute is thereon; ~ settled;

(c) whether it is a fact that this Agency helped Congress in making (c) if not, whether the Govern­ advertisement during recent Lok ment is aware that it would escalate Sabha election; and • into mass hunger strike; and

(d) what steps Government propose (d) if so, the action Government to take to end the Monopoly of this propose to take to end the dispute? Company? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS­ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (a) Yes. (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) Yes.

(b) The complaint was to the effect (c) and (d) Do Qot arise. that no action had been taken by the Government to check the restrictive trade practices indulged in by the Blaze Advertising Private Limited.

(c) It is found that M/s. Blaze Ad­ vertising (Delhi) Private Limited, PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE New Delhi entered into an arrange­ ment with the All India Congress Committee, New Delhi for the exhibi­ Detailed Demands for Grants or the tion of slides and short films and Ministry or Industry roR 1977-78 playing of discs in various cinema houses all over the country and car­ THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY ried out the same. (SHRI BRIJLAL VERMA): I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the De­ (d) The Monopolies and Restrictive tailed Demands for Grants (Hindi Trade Practices Commission has al­ and English versions) of the Ministry ready instituted an enquiry and the of Industry for 1977-78. [Placed w proceedings are pending. Library . See No. LT-804/77]. 145 Reported taking ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) over of power by 146 army in Pakistan (St.) 12.8 hrs. Forces of Pakistan took over control of the administiation of the country STATEMENT RE REPORTED TAK­ this morning. The spokesman stated ING OVER OF POWER BY ARMY that top political leaders belonging to IN PAKISTAN the Pakistan Peoples* Party including former Prime Minister Mr. Bhutto and miTO 5Prf ( 1RTRI5T ) : the PNA leaders have been taken into “ temporary protective custody'’. The inrr* qifapTR- ir spokesman said the siluatioi in Pakis­ 5 ^ ^*T% ij tan is normal and peace and tranquil­ tjv w n sR^rnr ftr*n ^ 4% srararr lity prevail everywhere. M et ift firm $ i ?riV>n Pm* While naturally wp fodow events *n xifk vr i * ^Nt vtttt j fa our neighbouring countries witl; inte­ fir$*r ^trfu ^ vr rest, I would like to reiterate that these developments are an internal £t*!T I affairs of Pakistan. India has consis­ tently followed a policy of non-inter­ M R SPEAKER: If the Govern­ ference in the domestic affairs of other ment wants to make a statement, I countries. The House is aware that have certainly no objection, but I after assuming o'Mce, this Govern­ think you should give them time to ment has publicly reaffirmed the find out what is happening there. I policy of seeking good neighbourly re­ won*t ask him to reply now. If some­ lations with all countries in the region thing happens in Pakistan, I don’t so that peace and stability may prevail in the sub-con rfnent. think we should take very keen in­ terest in it in this House. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: I would like a clarification. The Hon. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA Minister was p1-eased to say that they (Begusarai): The Minister agrees. have heard a broadcast fronr. Kaato Rawalpindi: nas not our High Com­ MR. SPEAKER: If he agrees, I have mission in Pakistan informed us about no objection. the developments there?

SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Not yet. AFFAIRS (SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ­ PAYEE): Mr. Speaicer, Sir. Now that SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 1h* point hag been rnised in the House, Have you made any enquiries? I would like to confirm that a Pakistan ^adio announcement today quoted a MR. SPEAKER: There will be no dis statement by a military spokesman cussion now and question?. ',SSu*d in Rawalpindi that the Armed 147 Dp- 1977-78— JULY 5, 1977 Afin. of Defence 14®

Demands* for G rants, 1977-78— had the good fortune of successfully Contd. intervening in preventing whatever atrocities were being committed in the Ministry of Defence—Contd. erstwhile East Pakistan by Pakistan: and it has enhanced the prestige o f MR. SPEAKER; 1 want to ask tbe our armed forces in the entire world. House if I m ay ask the Minister of It has further demonstrated that India Deience to reply now. because 17> to 20 does not aspire to capture the territory minutes do not make iruch difference. or any other country because India I will ask the Dnence Minister to returned the territory that our armed reply to the Debate now and the fur­ forces had captured in Pakistan and ther programme can be sorted out in that has been in conformity with the the Business Advisory Committee in record of India throughout history. the evening. The n.imber of Demands Perhaps India is the only country etc. can be dis?aJs:ur, prestige and sovereignty of our motherland, irres­ pective of the type of Government In spite of the fact that Pakistan has existing in fhe cour.trv. Tftey arc not made several attacks on us, we have affected by ihat consideration. The been trying to maintain good relations only consideration is to uphold the with them. I will not go into apy de- honour of the mother-land. Ever since ail about what ha8 happened in that independence, India had the fortune or country this morning. It is. no doubt, misfortune of several on slaughts by their internal matter, but sometimes, its neighbours or. its borders and every the internal matter of the neighbouring time with the encouragement of the country has its repercussions on ur entire nation our armed forces, repel­ also. That has to he taken into consi­ led that aggression. Last time, India deration.

•Moved with the recommendation of the Vice-President acting as Pre sident. 149 D-G.. 1977-78— ASADHA 14f 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Defence 150-

Our relations with Nepal, another that the defence expenditure is non- neighbour of ours, have been one of developmental. It is not so. A major intimate friendship. The cultural portion of the *iefence expenditure is bonds between the two countries extend developmental in nature. I need not over many centuries and that will sus­ elaborate that point The personnel o f' tain the friendship between the two the Armed Forces play a significant countries. Not only that, whenever an role whenever there are natural cala­ occasion has arisen, we have not hesi­ mities in different parts of the country. tated to help :hem as far as possible. Whether it is a flood or fire or epidemic or any other natural calamity, our Burma, another fnendiy neighbour Armed Forces have run to the rescue of ours, has uniformally maintained of the people and that cannot be re­ friendly relations with us and so has garded entirely as a no: 1-developmental been the case with Sri Lanka. When­ expenditure. In regard to maintenance ever some emergency has faced Sri of law and order, though they do not Lanka and a request has been made to directly intervene, their presence itself us, we have without any hesitation run is a factor which helps in the main­ to their rescue and they have appreciat­ tenance of law And order and you will ed that very much. agree that there cannot be any sustain^ ed development wcrk in the country if law and order is disturbed. So. the' In the case of Bangladesh, we can Defence Forces play a significant role take pride that we played a decisive in that direction also. role in the emergence of a sovereign, free Bangladesh. There was some uninformed criticism in that country The ordnance factories and the pub­ so far as India was concerned, but, in lic sector undertakings of the Defence* recent times, the relations between the Ministry play a significant role so far two countries have been improving and as the industrial development of the our Prime minister hns also played a country is concerned. They have to very significant part in restoring the be judged in relation to the overall in­ friendly relations between the two dustrial development in the country countries and, if the present trend con­ and there is no denying the fact that tinues, I have no doubt that India and some of the work that has been drne Bangladesh will be very friendly either in the ordnance factories or in nations. the public sector undertakings are original in nature and has added to the' overall production in the country. I am mentioning all these things be­ cause the defence policy of the govern­ ment so far as the neighbours are con­ A defence force has always to be cerned. also iepends upon the nature kept in readiness and also constant of relation that we have with those modernisation has to be undertaken. countries. Therefore. I have said that That is what We are doing to-day. Ihe defence policy, anart from the haslc With the introduction of sophisticated W»Uejr, depends upon what relation the weaponry it has become practicable in *Wnal Affairs Ministry establishes all countries to reduce the personnel of other countries. the defence forces. We have not done so. but there Is no case, with the Intro­ o/tV* very h e a r all sections duction of more modem weapons, arms a ii^ .HoUse have Pleaded for a larger and ammunitions, to raise the Armed BuT for the Defence Ministry, Forces to the strength of 25 lakhs in catin** should not forget that the alio. number. Perhaos our country will not ^ n to the Defence Ministry and its be able to sustain a number of 25 lrkhs. l°verai itUFe *s *° ** related to the and. I personally f*el that It is not c°untII resources available to the necessary to Have such a huge armed' ^ There is some misconception force. *51 D.G., 1977-78— JULY 5, 1977 Min. of Defence

[Shri Jagjivan Ram] at the Chiefs of Staff level is quite integrated and it has stood the test A question has been raisea about of time in very emergent situations and the direction at the head of the -A rmed even in urgent situations and, there­ Forces. fore, there is no necessity of changing Shri Yagya Datt Sharma raised a the structure at present. question that previously there was a This question of having a buper Co­ Defence Committee of the Cabinet and ordinator has been considered several now only there is a Political Affairs times in the Ministry and it is appre­ Committee of the Cabinet. Well, I do hended that the imposition jf a Super not think it makes much difference or Chief among the three chiefs will not any difference at all. Whether it is the serve any useful purpose. It may Defence Committee of the Cabinet or create certain complications and retard the Political Affairs Committee uf the decisions. Therefore. St is not neces­ Cabinet tbe Minister who will be on sary to have the present system chang­ those Committees will be more or less ed as it has stood the test of time and the same, and whenever important it has served the purpose. matters relating to defence are con­ sidered, the concerned chief is invited You. cannot compare Indian situa­ and when it concerns the entire tion with other countries, because their Defence force, all the three chiefs conditions in several matters are quite are invited to the meeting. That different from this country. In several was the practice followed when countries the direction given to the the Defence Committee of the Armed Forces is only by some per­ Cabinet was in existence. Same sonnel of the Army. Here, the direction is, the practice which is followed when and orders are not by the Army, Navy -the matter comes before the Political or Air Force people. Here the direction Affairs Committee. at the critical time is by the political leadership. That distinction has to A suggestion has also been tpadc that in order to co-ordinate the work be appreciated. Here the ultimate of'th e three chiefs there should be a direction is from a civilian, from a Super Chief. I do not think there is political Head and 1 think that will any necessity for that because we have to be maintained. have the Chiefs of Staff Committee which regularly meets and the senior- There is no doubt that there has Veen most among the three chiefs presides some unnecessary secretiveness so far over the meeting. At present the Cliief as Armed Forces are concerned. Well, of the Army Staff is the Chairman of I am trying to relax that. If the Mem­ the Chiefs of Staff Committee. In this bers compare the reports presented to way the activities among the ihiee the House by the Defence Ministry for forces are co-ordinated. Apart from the last eight or ten years, they will that there is a weekly meeting of the And that there has been a gradual re­ Minister with the three Chiefs along laxation and more of information is with the Cabinet Secretary, the Secre­ being given to the Members cf the tary of the Defence Ministry, Secretary House. In order that Members of the o f Defence Production. We meet with­ House may appreciate what is being out. agenda. The matters are brought done in the Research and Production by the three chiefs before the Com­ Sector of the Defence Forces, I propose mittee and on many occasions, deci­ that batches of Members of Parlia­ sions are taken on the spot because the ment who are interested in such mat­ Secretaries are there, Cabinet Secret­ ters may be taken tQ some of our Pro­ duction Units and Ordnance Factories, ary also gives valuable suggestions. In "the matter. The House jhould be HAL, Mishra Dhatu Nigam and others satisfied that the direction *t the top, to ?ee whqt is being done in those places. They ynay also visit some of our whether it is at the political level or 153 D.G., 1977-7& ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Defence 154.

.Research Laboratories where important Navy and we are gradually replacir. works are being done. That will be them. We have developed the capacity appreciated by hon. Members of the of manufacturing some war-ships in House; and I may start this practice our Dockyard and we have manufac­ from this session itself and hon. Mem­ tured them. We are trying to replace bers who are interested in visiting the Sea Hawk in Vibrant and trying to some such undertakings could write to find a suitable aircraft for that. Simi­ me about their intentions. larly in our Army we have introduced new types of weaponry with electronic But, certain amount of secrecy has devices. In the field of electronics we to be maintained,—of course, not from have made good progress and as I the Members of Parliament and there­ have said Members who would like to fore I propose to take them there to visit our institutions will And that they see those things. But certainly they can­ are doing useful work and producing not be included in the reports. Al­ useful equipments. though we do not intend to have secrecy from the Members of the Similarly, in the Air Force, we are Parliament, we will have to maintain trying to modernise it. But, that has secrecy from the public, because, once to be done within the constraints of it goes to the public, it can go to the the financial resources available in the other countries as well. country and available to the Armed Forces. In our Aeronautics Division As I have said, we have to constantly which has done useful work, we have modernise the Army, the Air Force and produced some aircraft for the use of the Navy. Air Force as well as for the civilians* Some friends mentioned about ihe We have a large coastline of nearly aircraft produced for the agricultural 5700 K.M. The Indian Ocean has as­ purpose. We have the capacity for sumed greater importance after the Basant which has, for agricultural pur­ development of what is known as poses, been proved to be effective. Our Diego Garcia. It is fortunate that many Agriculture Ministry had placed an nations which are littoral nations and order for 100 Basant to be produced even others have unreservedly declared by the Kanpur Division of the H.A.L. that the Indian Ocean should oe main­ and they had placed an order of tained as a zone of peace. hundred more after that. Due to cer­ tain difficulties regarding subsidy that It is further encouraging that Fiesi- was being given to the farmers for dent Carter has made a declaration to spraying and also not adequate funds that effect and he is trying lo have being available with the State Gov­ detente with USSR so that big powers ernments, the Agriculture Ministry has may treat the Indian Ocean as a zone reduced its order from 100 to 57 only. of peace. Whether they will place further orders or not they themselves have not been The Indian Ocean is a vast expanse; able to decide. and apart from our territorial waters every nation is free to take ships in Therefore, unless further orders are the Indian Ocean, we have some re­ placed by the Agriculture Ministry, sponsibility of reconnaisance to see after one year, the work in the Kan­ what are the vessels which are present pur Division will be very much re­ ‘n the Indian Ocean. That itself is duced. We are anxious that our full a big task which has fallen on us. capacity may be utilised since our Air Force is an effective part of our Defence We are trying to equip our Navy so Forces as it was demonstrated during that it can discharge the duties which the last war. Some friends have ^ve been cast on it. There Is no mentioned about the Mirage squadron, *°ubt that we have aged ships in our of Pakistan. At that time also ther* 355 D G * 1977-78- JULY 5f 1977 Min. of Defence 156

[Shri Jagjivan Ram] laboratories of our own country; he has calls from various institutions in was the Mirage squadron but( our our own country. * small Gnats could take care of tneir Mirage and we are proud of our Gnats. But, we will have to see that the So, Gnats are also there. I h*ve scientist devotes adequate attention to simply mentioned one example. We the work under him. Defence labora­ should not worry because some of our tories have been rationalised and they neighbouring countries have acquired have been, to some extent, restructur­ some new ship, aircraft or weapons. ed and our scientists are doing a good work in several fields in the develop­ Pakistan has the advantage of showing something under the Defence budget, ment of missile or other ammunitions something in the various Civil Depart­ and arms. But, it takes a long tone ments and some assistance which they and. on many occasions, sometimes the have got from other countries, that expenditure may prove to be ulti­ does not form part of their budget. So, mately infructuous. But, we have to their expenditure is much larger on undertake that. that. We have raised the age of retirement at different levels in the Army. Even But, in any developing country like the jawan’s age of retirement has been India, one has to be very cautious raised. Pensions have also been li­ while diverting its scarce resources to beralised. There has been increase defence. Whether that is absolutely in the salary of the jawans as well necessary or not, that has been my as the various facilities that are pro­ approach in this matter. At the same vided to them time, we have to maintain efficiency and competence of the Armed Forces Mr. Speaker, Sir. we have been to tackle any situation that may anse taking steps for the re-settleiment of on our borders. the army people when they retire from he Defence service but it is not We have the Himalayas which, at an easy task. When a large number one time was regarded unpenetratable. of people are demobilised every year; But, with the development of various when the capacity of the country to types of missiles and aircraft. that create additional jobs is limited and situation does not exist. Therefore, we when we are faced with acute unem­ have to take care of the Himalayas ployment problem in the country as also and we have trained our soldiers a whole they also have to suffer the and we have got mountain divisions same way as others in the society. which can take care of any civil design But we have made some special ar­ even at a very high altitude. We have, in rangements for them. Several of the order to be self-sufficient on our armed State Governments have laid down forces, set up a very fine Research and rules for the allotment of land Development Laboratory and our to ex-servicemen but as a matter of Scientific Adviser is one of the most fact in several States there is no competent scientists of the country. scope for further allotment of land That is why perhaps, he has many to ex-servicemen. We have made cer­ calls upon him. I had been trying tain reservation of posts in class HI whether I can get any top scientist and IV jobs in government, by an who will be free to devote his entire executive order. We have requested time and attention to the iefence the State governments to make simi­ laboratories themselves. But. when­ lar reservations. The idea is to have ever some outstanding scientist be­ some reservations in the public sec­ comes available, 1 find the same diffi­ tor undertakings also. But once we culty with him because, any outstand­ provide them jobs certainly we are ing scientist has calls from foreign depriving others of jobs. It does not countries; he has calls from various add up to the over-all availability of D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Defence 158 employment opportunities in the It ha6 been decided that from April country. The other thing I introduced this year—and it has been in force, when I was last incharge of this Mi­ to some extent, earlier also—those who nistry was on the point that when want their pensions to be sent to they were likely to be demolished they them by money order will be sent to should be government training in cer­ them by money order and uPto Rs. 100, tain arts and crafts so that after de­ money order commission will not be mobilisation if they do not get any em­ charged from the pensioners. It will ployment they can crtgage themselves be met by the Government. in self-employment with small capi­ tal. It was also taken up with the Some friends spoke about the dis­ ability pension. I may explain that banks that that capital will be pro­ vided by the banks if the ex-service­ where disability pension is being paid men start some industries themselves. to an ex-Armed Force man, because For the officers also we made ar­ he has lost one of his limbs, the pen­ rangements that if after retirement sion granted to him is for his life and it is not reviewed. But when it is a they want to take up certain advanced case of partial disability where there training in management or accounting is a possibility that the disability may etc. which will make them more further reduce or may disappear after employable that training will be sometime, a two-yearly review is given and the cost will be met by us. The outcome has been quite en­ done and again it is not done after two years, but it is done after 10 couraging in this matter. years if after that review it is found Mr. Speaker, Sir, a study group that disability is unlikely to change. was set-up to examine the various The disability may, however, either possibilities of finding more and more mitigate or it may deteriorate. But if self-employment and other avenues it deteriorates, the pension amount is for the ex-servicemen. This group’s increasd; if it mitigates, the pension report has been considered by several amount will have to be decreased and Secretaries of the Government of In­ if it is totally disappears, the pension dia. I think, after we receive the will have to be stopped. And, if disabi­ final Report of that Study Group it lity remains incapable of improve­ will be possible to take some further ment when review is undertaken action for the resettlement of the ex- after 10 years there is no further re­ servicemen. In view of this, I do net view. I thought I should explain think, it is necessary to have another this so that the House may know the Committee. actual position.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is no doubt wtaft w nftr f a j : that during the Emergency actions were taken against several employees *rt qfvnr {£ sftr mostly in the public sector undertak­ H it (l0 % Vt H^1 *1 ings and ordnance factories—maybe sjttst ft 1 there are some cases in the Armed Forces as well as civilian employees. As soon as I assumed charge of this vft rm : gr? vm Ministry, I issued orders that all cases IsdH ft ^ I fffcTT t PF suspension, dismissal or discharge q-jp* frsnrr xftx should be quickly reviewed and the ^oeess has started.

. Now, regarding pension payments, wswYt fw ? : » eft ffV is correct that in some areas pen­ sioners have to walk a long-distance “hi*!if the Treasury to get their pensions. w t 1 159 1977-78— JULY 5, 1977 Min. of Defence 160

tth : srre % non-martial race in the Armed Ser­ vices. But due to historical reasons +11*1^ 5ft MUJH 5^TT I there are certain regiments where (*1^> Wl ^ ^RTT dl W*TT hundred per cent recruitmer/ is re­ served for certain classes and com­ f I SPK tTTTVt TPT

Demands for Grants 1977*78 in respect of the Ministry of Defence voted by Lok Sabha

No. o f Name of Demand ’Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Grant Demand on account voted by the House voted by the House on 30-3-1977

1 a ’ 3 4

Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE

22. Ministry o f Defence 24*05,94,000 17,08,68,000 48,69,19,^0 28,41,37,000 23. Defence Services—Army 598,83.47,000 1184,09,95,coo *24. Defence Services—Navy 62,58,65,000 124.96,29,000 25. Defence Services—Air Force 191,84,23,000 374,20,47,000 26. Defence Services—Peo- sions 74^0,03,000 t 27* Capital Outlay Defence Services 102,10,01,000 ■ 72,98,02,OCO

12.58 hrs. Paper be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of Ministry or Education and Social India to complete the sum5 neces­ Welfare and Department of Culture sary to defray the charges that will come in course of payment dur­ MR. SPEAKER: The House will ing the year ending the 31st day of now take up discussion and voting March, 1978 in respect of the heads on Demand Nos. 28 to 30 relating to , of demands entered in the second the Ministry of Education and Social column thereof against Demands Welfare and Demand Nos. 102 and Nosl 28 to 30 relating to the Minis­ 103 relating to the Department of try of Education and Social Wel- •Culture, for which 7 hours have been .. fare”. * allotted. osrtu j r-* v "That the respective sums not "' Motions moved: ^ fc J" Y*» *-■ ^exceeding the amounts on Revenue . "That the respective sums not m Agpount shown in the fourth column 1 exceeding the amounts on Revenue of the Order Paper be granted to Account and Capital Account shown the President out of the Consolida­ in the fourth column of the Order ted Fund of India to complete the , 65 D G. 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 166 & Deptt. of Culture sums necessary to defray the char­ of the heads of demands entered ges that will come in course of in the second column thereof against payment during the year ending the Demands Nos. 102 and 103 relating 31st day of March, 1978, in respect to the Department of Culture."

Demands for grants, 1977-78 in respect of Ministry of Education and Social Welfare and Department of Culture Submitted to the vote of Lok Sabha

No. Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Grant of Name of Demand on account voted by the House submined to the vote o f the Demand on 30-3-1977 House

1 2 3 4

Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rb. Rs. Rs. Rs. MINISTRY OF EDU­ CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE m 2S Department of Education 5^,53.000 l ( • 1,05,06,000 ••

29 Education 62,46,11,000 26,90,000 120,21,23,000 "53,81,cco

3 Department of Social Wei fare .... 6,76,70,000 .. 10,91,39,000 m m DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE

102. Department of Culture 3*03,99,000 •• 5,91 ,99,000 ••

103. Archaeology 2,26,66,000 4,53*33.°co *•

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members point of view, but just as in the case whose cut motions to the Demands of external affairs and defence, we for Grants have been circulated may, would Ifke to have a consensus on if th ey desire to move their cut mo­ the broad policies and programmes tions, send slips to the Table within which pertain to this important sub­ 15 minutes indicating the serial num­ ject. I t . is important because edu­ bers of the cut motions they would cation touches ev.^Ty child; every pa­ Me to move. rent arttf every home. Therefore, it -V becomes very sensitive also when certain mistakes axe committed. An­ Shri Hitendra Desai. other peculiarity of this important -■M j subjecttfc that while the effect ^oE a SHR| HITENDRA DESAI (Go- particular policy in certain resf>ects dhra)' 6ir, while initiating the de­ is felt immediately in certain cases, bate 6n the Demands relating to the so far as education is concerted, ' its lrnport&nt subject of education, I policies have effect after years. There­ inform the House at the very fore, it will be possible for us to dis­ 0utset that we look upon this issue cuss what exactly happened years not from any political or partisan before. l ' 167 D.C., 1977-78— Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed., Soc. Welfare j6$ & Deptt. of Culture

[Shri Hitendra Desai] to democratic values the only instru­ ment of change in socio-economic 13.00 hrs. structure is education. Therefore, In a way, it is true that we are from both these po»nts of view edu­ not starting on a clean slate. Since cation is very important. So my first independence, there hove been com­ submission so far as this Demand mittees and commissions which have is concerned is that the Minister of submitted various recommendations Education should press for more funds on one subject or the other. The last and so far as we are concerned, we was the Education Commission head­ will fully support if he asks for moro ed by Mr. Kothari. That commission and more money in respect of educa­ has gone into all aspects of educa­ tion. tion and has made certain recommen­ dations. Fortunately for us in 1968 I am glad that at the initial stages Parliament also passed a resolution on of discussion of the Sixth Plan a the national policy of education deal­ ference was made even to education ing right from pre-primary educa­ as one of the important matters which tion to the higher and research edu­ will be dealt with by the new Plan­ cation. I have also had the privilege ning Commission. But it is not enough of taking part in discussions on edu­ that more funds are available for cation at a national level right^from education. Even inter se I would sub­ 1957 when I was Education Minister mit with all the emphasis at my in Bombay. Even today the problems command that very little is spent on are not very dissimilar. As was said elementary education. I have seen in another context about socio-econo­ some of the figures in the Fourth Plan mic change, philosophers have merely and the Fifth Plan. In the Fourth interpreted the world in various ways; Plan out of the total allocation for the thing is to change it. This will education only 31 per cent was spent apply to education because we have on elementary education. Fortunately been talking a lot about it. The real in the Fifth Plan that was rectified need of the hour is really to imple­ and it went from Cl per cent to 41 ment what policies we have pronoun­ per cent. But in my opinion even ced and to evolve an education pat­ that is not adequate and more and tern to subserve the needs of the na­ more money should be spent on ele­ tion. It is not merely a rhetoric to mentary education to which I will say that the destiny of India is be­ come later. In the Fourth Plan 18 ing shaped in schools, colleges and per cent was spent on Secondary edu­ educational institutions. In our coun­ cation and 25 per cent on university try we are witnessing the advance of education and in the Fifth Plan 14 science and technology. It is all the per cent and 20 per cent respectively more important for us to realise it, in this field. Therefore, my sub­ i.e., we have to reap the fruits of mission would be that more and more this advanced knowledge in science money should he available to be spent and technology. We will have to on elementary education. see that it goes to every nook and corner of this country, and even to Secondly, I will fake up the aspect distant villages. Therefore, in that of eradication of illiteracy. As the new Government was formed, I was context education becomes very im­ portant. happy to learn that the new hon. Edu­ cation Minister was saying something about a massive proeramme for idult 13.61 hrs. education. In the House itself the [Mn. Deputy-S peaker in the Chair | other day there was a discussion on a Private Member's Resolution about Tn another aspect also education has education and except that the Minis­ its significance. In a country wedded ter said that the Government is con­ 169 D.G.. 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 170 & Deptt. of Culture sidering t0 have a National Board on that it is very important to see that adult education, nothing beyond that we strengthen the village school. Arti­ seems to have bannounced by the cle 45 of the Constitution of India Government. As iai as adult educa­ lays down that ail Mates shall endea­ tion is concerned, it is really unfor­ vour to give free and compulsory edu­ tunate that after 30 years of indepen­ cation to all children below the age dence, we still have more than 70 of 14, within a l>eriod of ten years per cent of illiterate persons in the That period is over. Most of the country. No doubt the per centage State did try to implement the sche­ of literacy which was 16.6 per cent me of free and compulsory education in 1941 has risen to 29.45 per cent in to all children below the age of 14 1971 ; but as far as girls’ literacy is years. I will not give details; but concerned, it is hardly 18.69 per cent; I know that to flay in this country and the hon. Minister knows that education for children between 6 and in important Statej like Bihar, U.P II years is free in all the States. Edu­ and Rajasthan, tr«t. literacy of girls cation for boy* between 11 and 14 is even less than 10 per cent, j will.- is free in all the States, except Oris-a, not give details a? to how to met t U.P. and West Bengal. And the States that situation, i would only suggest have made it compulsory for child­ a few strategic acproaclies to attack ren between 6 and 14; but that is this problem. For instance, the po­ not the question. It is also true that pulation below the age of 19 is m ere there has been much progress in than 50 per cent; population below regard to the enrolment in schools. the age of 29 is two-thirds; and be­ For instance in 1951 . the enrolment of low the age of JO, it is q little less children between 6 and 11 years, was than 80 per cent. Therefore, govern­ 42.6 per cent, wnich has risen to S3.5 ment should try to see that more and per cent; and tne target for 1978-79 more effort is made towards younger is 96 per cent. Tr»e per centage o f persons, persons below the age of 29 , enrolment of child-en between 11 or even 39 ; and for that purpose, we and 14 is 12.7 in 11)50- 51: and in 1578 - will have to strengthen the eleme: - 79 it will be 4G per cent. I am glad tary education, i.e. o f people between to ^ote that unlike other Ministries, ages 6— 11 and 11—14 and impart this Ministry acknowledges what could education even to people upto 29 have been done during all these years. years of age. We will have to create I am referring to ih'i following re- an atmosphere on a massive scale markq in the performance Budfeet of and try to involve the various uni­ the Department of Education and versities, teachers and students to Department of Culture, at page 4: take up this work of mass literacy drive. Only then will it be possible “It should be mentioned that for us to tackle this problem. I shall some significant strides have been be happy if the hon. Minister gives made in the universalisation of some idea of how ne wants to tackle education in the age-group 6— 11. this important problem . I understand As against the enrolment of 42.6 that the Janata governm ent is very per cent in this age-group in 1950 - keen to tackle this problem almost 51, the enrolment realised in 1975 - °n a priority basis. 76 is 83.9 per cent. The target for 1978-79 is 96 per cent. Similarly, I will now come lo the question of in the age-group 11—14 the target elementary education which, accird- envisaged as 46 per cent. By 1983 - inE to me, is the most important as­ 84 it is expected that the target of pect of education. The village school universal elementary education will 1S the sun round which the other be realised.” Planets move. And from w hatever But I must utter a word of caution little experience we have of the ad­ against this also. We should not be ministration of education, we can say merely satisfied with enrolment of 171 U.G, 1977-78— Min. JULY 5, 1977 oj Ed.., Soc. Welfare i 7z & Deptt. oj Culture [Shri Hitendra DesaiJ der. Is the Ministry considering children because we know that enrol­ changing that pattern or is the Min­ ment is not the same as attendance. istry considering the introduction During our experience of administra­ of some new reforms, because tion, we found that many village I understand a fresh committee schools were hardly attended. Again, has also been appointed to ex­ there is the question of drop-outs. amine the syllabi, and that com­ The enrolment of say students in mittee is headed by the Vice-Chan­ class I is reduced to 50—60 when cellor of the Gujarat University if they come to the second class. There­ I mistake not. Therefore, we would fore. we have to be careful about also like to know what the Ministry that also. But when we want to propose* to do now with the new pat­ strengthen the village school, I would tern of 10+ 24-3 because that, accord­ urge the Education Minister to pro­ ing to me, is very important. vide more for the buildings of the schools, give more- status, more se­ curity 9 to the elementary teachers On the question of University edu­ and also introduce reforms for im­ cation, we know very well what are proving the content of education. the state of alTairs in the universities. If I understand the policy of this Universities inltead of being centres Government correctly, they are lor of knowledge, being centres of pro­ basic education. Some experiments gress. have almost become centres of have been made in States like Maha­ strikes and gheraos. There have been rashtra and Gujarat on this, and I lot of coir plaints about the university would request the hon. Minister to administration and the students find lot allow this House to know how Gov­ of difficulties when they want to mig­ ernment proposes to strengthen the rate from one university to another. village school in this respect The Vice-Chancellor of one University The village school, the village pan- once told me—he was in the Education chayat and the village service co­ Ministry for a number of years—that operative are the three pillars on not a day passes in the University which the whole edifice is built, and when there is not a scuffle among the if we really want to reform educatfbn, students. Even the students live in to have an integrated plan for edu­ hostels with knives and weapons. cation, it is very necessary that ele­ Some murders have taken place of the mentary education should get priority students by the students. I know the and the village school should be stren­ case of a Vice-Chancellor in Gujarat. gthened. He was a retired High Court Judge. Above all, ne was a man of high cul­ ture and a man of integrity. He was I will then come to the question of popular with the students. But during secondary education. Just as the hon. the Nav Nirman movement some stu­ Minister made certain pronouncements dents broke open his bungalow and ret with regard to a massive adult edu­ it on fire. There was a photo of his cation programme, he also, imme­ dead wife on the sidewall. They even diately on his taking over as Educa­ broke that photograph. The Vice- tion Minister, dwelt on the question Chancellor was so much shocked that of the new pattern of 10+24*3. ultimately he died. I am narrating From what I know, this pattern was this incident only to show that the recommended by the Education Com­ affairs of the university are far trom mission and was even accepted by satisfactory- J* should be our endea­ Parliament. I understand from the vour not only to satisfy ourselves by Report that this pattern has been al­ saying that we believe in the auto­ ready introduced in 19 States and nomy of the university, but we have Union Territories and that 10 more to find out ways by which the uni­ States have accepted it. Therefore. I versities have some manner of their do not know what there is to consi­ existence. 173 D G » 1W7-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 174 & Deptt. of Culture Now, I come to an incident recently that the management have commit­ occurred in Gujarat. As everybody ted breach of promises which they knows, Gujarat Vidyapith which was had made before; they have levelled founded by Mahatma Gandhi, gets serious charges about the inefficiency gnants from the Government Qf India. of the administration and they have It gets maintenance grants on its de­ also alleged corruption and nepotism ficit and it slso gets development by some members of the manage­ grant When 1 read the demands, 1 ment. We are all proud of that Vi­ noticed that whereas in 1976-77 it was dyapith. At the same time, it is a Us. 12.53 lakhs of grant, that grant sorry state of affairs that two or has been doubled in 1977-78. Vidya­ three policemen have been posted pith as is well known in this country, there end called by the persons who was founded to evolve an alternative have been giving sermons of fear­ system of education against the Bri­ lessness. Therefore, I would request tish. But I do not think that work is the hon. Minister to let us know » being done in that University. They exactly what is being done about the want to have more and more grants Vidyapith. and more and more buildings. I want to bring to the notice of the Minister What I read from the papers is that that for the last 20 to 25 days there agitators are giving some time. Other-* has been some movement going on by wise, they will march to Delhi and the teachers and the students in that offer satyagrah on the Gandhian lines. Vidyapith and only three or four days If this is the state of affairs in an in- ago, the management of the Vidya­ stiuation like the Gujarat Vidyapith, pith have cJosed the Vidyapith. I we can imagine what must be the have received a number of reports state of affairs in other universities. from the students and from the tea­ Therefore, this requires great care and chers and from latest report which I concern by the Ministry of Education. received today, I find that even poiice- Lastly, I would refer to another ir.en are posted in the Vidyapith. In point. If they really want to uni- my opinion this is a very serious versalise education, not only upto the matter and the seriousness becomes elementary education but even with more grave by the fact that the pre­ regard to others not only the secon­ sent Prime Minister is the Chancellor dary education should be free but edu­ of that University. We do not want cation must be available free tQ all to say something which might da­ persons of the weaker sections of the mage the reputation of the Vidyapith. society. We all know that there are We also hold it in great esteem. But many persons living below the pover­ the fact remains that the future of 450 ty line. I would request the hon. students in that University—it is Minister of Education to announce deemed to be a University by the straightway that henceforth all educa­ Government of India—and 200 fami­ tion in any sphere of life would be lies is at stake. free so far as the persons belonging Their only demand is to have arbi­ to weaker sections or living below the tration. They want internal demo­ poverty line are concerned. Today, it cracy to function. They have said that is the Scheduled Castes and the Sche­ this Vidyapitn has been closed only duled Tribes who are enjoying free ^ second time after 1932. It was during education. A step was taken by the ■ the British regime in 1932 that the then Government of Bombay before iBritigheTs closed the Vidyapith. After it bifurcation that persons belonging It*932’ it jS for flrst time—nothing to economically backward classes hav­ Jihad happened even during Emer- ing an income of say, below Rs 3000 Kgency—that the management them- per year were getting free education. F **ves have declared the closure of I would request the hon. Minister to E he university-three colleges, the announce that decision so far as giving It ostel and the office. Their demand is of educational facilities Is concerned. 175 D G » 1977-78—Min. JULY 5. 1977 of Ed., Soc. Welfare nS. & Deptt. of Culture [Shri Hitendra Desai] [Need for concentrating on non- formal education (Adult Educa­ I have toucher some of the aspects tion) (21).] of education which I consider impor­ tant. There is already a national “That the demand under the head policy on education' laid down by ‘Education* be reduced by Rs. 100” Parliament itself. I would also like to know what are the views of the [Need for giving sufficient Government on this policy. But more financial assistance to voluntary important than the policy is the ques­ organisations working in' the field tion of implementation. I have no of Hindi in the State o f Andhra doubt that the hon. Minister with his Pradesh (22).] new enthusiasm will try his utmost to see that education finds its proper PROF. SHIBBAN LAL SAKS ENA place and that we are able to evolve (Maharajganj): 1 beg to move: what little work is done to push for­ ward other aspects of education. •That the demand under the head *Education’ be reduced by Re. 1." With these remarks, I urge upon the [Inadequacy of Funds under the hon. Minister to clarify certain points Head Education (11).] which I have made. “That the demand under the head •Education* be reduced by Re. 1.**

SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU [Insufficient grant for students (Chittoor): I beg to move: in universities and in affiliated colleges. (12).] “That the demand under th

'That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Education* be reduced by Rs. 100." 'Department of Social Welfare* be reduced bv Rs. 100” . [Need for giving enough finan­ cial assistance to the universities [Need for allotting more a in Andhra Pradesh (24).] meagre sums for family and child welfare (32).] “That the demand under the head ‘Education* be reduced by Rs. 100.” 'That the demand under the head 'Department of Social Welfare1 be [Need for settting up a techni­ reduced by Rs. 100”. cal university in Andhra Pradesh (25).] [Need to increase grant for Bal-Wadi Nutrition Programme ‘That the demand under the head (33).] 'Education' be reduced by Re. 1.” 'That the demand under the head [Need for starting industrial 'Department of Social Welfare* be schools in vural areas to train the reduced by Rs. 100**. students for re-winding of motors, repairing of pumpsets, power [Failure in supplying artificial crushers, agricultural implements limbs to physically handicapped and other rural industries (26).) (34).]

‘That the demand under the head 'That the demand under the head *Education* be reduced by Rs. 100." 'Department of Social Welfare’ be reduced by Rs. 100” . [Need for appointing youth co­ ordinators in many Nehru Yuvak [Need to assist destitute women Kendras (27).] all over the country (35).]

‘That the demand under the head SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can- 'Education’ be reduced by Rs. 100.*’ nanore): I beg to move:

[Need for developing sports in “That the demand under the head the country (28).] •Department of Education* be re­ reduced to Re. 1.” 'That the demand under the head *Education* be reduced by Rs. 100.” [Failure in taking steps to abo­ lish the notorius “public schools", [Failure of our sports teams in a legacy of a colonial past (36).] international contests (29).] 'That the demand under the head 'That the demand under the head •Department of Social Welfare* be 'Department of Education’ be re- reduced by Rs. 100” . reduced to Re. 1.” [Failure in protecting the in­ [Failure to increase the insti­ terests of the students and tea­ tutes for blind, deaf and mentally chers in private educational insti­ retarded and orthopaedically tutions (37).] handicapped (30).] 'That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head 'Department of Education* be re­ ‘Department of Social Welfare* be reduced to Re. 1.” reduced by Rs. 100” [Failure in providing complete [Need to increase assitance to academic freedom to teachers and voluntary organisations for hotels democratic rights to students for working women (31).] (38).] s i 9 D.c^ 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed., Soc. Welfare jg o & Depit. of Culture [Shri C. K. Chandrapan] [Failure in stopping the pene­ tration of R. S. S. in our Uni­ 'That the demand under the head versity campuses and other edu­ 'Department cf Education’ be re­ cational institutions (45).] duced to Rs. 1. 'That the demand under the head [Failure in bringing about a 'Department of Education’ be re­ scientific and meaningful reforms duced by Re. 100" in examination system (39).] [Need for implementation of 'That the demand under the head U. G. C. payment to university u Department of Education’ be re­ teachers in every State (46).] duced to Re. 1. 'That the demand under the hei*d [Failure in writing textbooks ‘Department of Education’ be re­ with a view to help in creating a duced by Rs. 100.” new generation of young people who will be devoted to socialism, [Need for providing better secularism and democracy (40).] working conditions to the non­ teaching staff m the Central T h a t the demand under the head Universities (47).] -Department of Education’ be re­ “That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1. ’Department of Education* be reduced [Failure in stopping the im­ by Rs. 100.” perialist penetration in our edu­ cation with a view to influencing [Need to nationalise private our youth ideologically and poli­ staff from the exploitation and tically 41).] harassment of the management of “public schools’* (48).] 'That the demand under the head 'Department cf Education* be re­ “That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1. ‘Department of Education* be reduced by Rs. 100/’ [Failure in stopping the CIA operation in Universities in India [Need to nationalise private (42).] educational institutions in the country (49).] 'That the demand under the head 'Department of Education* be re­ “That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1. ‘Department of Education* be reduced by Rs. 100." [Failure in fixing definite priorities in education (43).] [Need to fully Involve *ltc peo­ ple in a scheme to fight and eradi­ 'That the demanB under the head cate illitracy (50).] 'Department of Education’ be re­ “That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1. 'Department of Social Welfare* be [Failure in making arrange­ reduced to Re. 1.” ments for translating books from [Failure in implementing various Indian languages to make speedily, the various recommend a- our people aware of our rich tions made in the report on '-SfMus heritage in literature (44).] of Women” (51).] 'That the demand under the head 'That the demand under *he head •Department of Education’ be re­ 'Department of Social Welfare’ be duced to Re. 1. reduced by Rs- 100.” IKI D.G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1809 (SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare ig 2 Sc Deptt. of Culture [Need for providing a better [Need for involving the Minister deal to the students who are phy­ of Education in all major policy- sically handicapped (52).] * formulating and decision-m.-iking authorities of the Cabinet and of S11RI A. E. T. BARROW (Nominated the Government so that the con­ Anglo-Indians): 1 beg to move: stant requirement of catering to the building up of the human factor “That the demand under the head in economic and material develop­ 'Department of Education’ be reduced ment of the nation is w£ll met by Rs. 100.” (69).] [Need to review the 10 -1-2 pat­ “That the demand under the head tern of education with sp«*cLal Department of Education’ be reduced reference to vocation alizati on by Rs. 100.” (56).] [Need for accelerating the pace "That the demand under the head of providing compulsory, free and ‘Department of Education* be rcduced universal education to every boy by Rs. 100.” and girl from the ages 5 to 14. as per constitutional obligation (70).] [Differential curriculum, sylla­ buses and examination for rural “That the demand under the head and urban schools (57).] ‘Department of Education* be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand ujider the head 'Department of Educaticftr be -educed [Need for strengthening fhe edu­ by Rs. 100.’* cational efforts and activities, keep­ ing in view the recommendations (.Prescription of lower educa­ of the Report of the Kothari Com­ tional qualifications and age limit mission on Education (71).] for recruitment to Government posts (58).] “That the demand under the head Department of Education* be reduced “That the demand under the head by Rs. 100.” ‘Department of Education* be reduced by Rs. 100.** [Need for a bold, imaginative, dynamic national policy of eiuca- [Central Government's decision tion promoting all round maximum asking the Central Board of Secon- educational endeavour, with mas­ dary Education, New Delhi, to sive financial support but minimum issue results of its examination in administrative interference from marks and not in grades (59).] the federal and State Governments (72).] PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR (Gandhinagar): I beg to move: “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Department of Education* be reduced ‘Department of Education' be reduced by Rs. 100.” by Rs. 100.** [Need for encouraging spontane­ [Need for a substantial increase ous and voluntary educational in the budget and plan allocations activities by individuals and insti­ for effective spread and proper de­ tutions, thereby strengthening the velopment of education in our roots of the democratic polity of country (68).] India (73).]

“That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Department of Education' be reduced ‘Department of Education* be reduced by Rs. 100." by Rs. 100.” Ig3 D.Gn 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed.. Soc. Welfare 184 & Deptt. of Culture [Prof. Shibban Lai Saksena] 'That the demand under the noad 'Department of Education* be ”educsd [Need to pay decent minimum by Rs. 100.” wage to every primary school teacher in the country (74)/| [Need to end the continuing and even intriguing Ad Hocism in "That the demand under the head admissions to various types of 'Department of Education* be reduced higher and advanced educatio ud by Rs. 100.” Institutions In the country fSl)„1

[Need for a regular assessment “That the demand under the head of the secondary schools function­ ‘Department of Education* be reduced ing including their programmes and by Rs. 100.” experiments at improving the quauty of education (75).] [Need to put an end to *11 kiidi of political interference In and control of. the educational wadies 'That the demand under the head in India (82).] ‘Department of Education* be reiuccd by Rs. 100." ‘That the demand under the head 'Department of Education* be red need [Need for a sensible and honest by Rs. 100.” implementation of the 10+2 school pattern in the whole country [Need for increasing merit and (76).] general scholarships so that the economically poor but educationally 'That the demand under the head rich students do not suiter *u the ‘Department of Education' be reduced matter of pursuits of learning by Rs. 100." (83).] [N*ed for proper and just pay “That the demand under the head scales for the secondary school ’Department of Education' be reduced teachers (77).] by Rs. 100/* [Need to jealously guard and ••That the demand under the head constantly uphold the right of ‘Department of Education* be reduced academic freedom for the teachers by R&. 100.” as well as the students (84). |

[Need for implementing the Sen "That the demand under the head Committee's pay scales for College ‘Department of Education* be reduced and University teachers (78).] by Rs. 100” [Need to do away with all "That the demand under the head clumsy and complex regulations ‘Department of Education* be ’•educed and conventions binding the tea­ by Rs. 100” chers and the scholars to a rigid and artificial code of conduct and [Need for healthy, vigorous, free, discipline (85).] open, critical academic campuses in the country (79).] "That the demand under ihe head 'Department of Education* be re­ “That the demand under the head duced by Rs. 100.” 'Department of Education* be reduced [Need for a significant increase by Rs. 100.” in financial grants and assistance to reputed voluntary agencies and [Need for increasing the pay activities involved in the overall scales of the non-teaching staff at development of social education and Colleges and Universities (80).] upliftment of the people (66).] !*5 D.G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 186 & Deptt. of Culture

“That the demand under the head “The Minister of Education's fiat ‘Department of Education' be reduced statement that much of the mathe­ by Rs. 100." matics, physics, and chemistry now taught in secondary schools is [Need lor paying greater htten- badly outdated points up a critically tion to physical education pro­ serious problem in a country smug­ grammes and facilities (87).] gling to build itself into a modem industrialized nation. The problem is accentuated when one considers SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can- that in a brief section of his speech nano re): I beg to move: devoted to current tasks in the Held of higher education. Yang said that “That the demand under the head “ we should quickly include the most "Department of Culture' be reduced advanced sciences and techno)ogy to Re. 1 ” needed by our country in the cur­ [Failure in providing eufflcien' ricula of our full-time higher educa­ tion institutions.” The implication is scope for the promotion of the that the present system is backward talents of the young artists (I).] in science and technology at 'he college level as well as in the middle PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: j beg schools.” to move: (pp. 160-161—“Education ond Com­ “That the demand under the head munism in China” ) ‘Department of Culture* be reduced b j Rs. 100." “The basic problem that must be [Need to give concrete financial faced, however, is that of devising a help to individual art'sts as .veil system in which 12 or 13 years* work as recognised good institutions for can be successfully compressed into the development of art and culture 10 while the student's hours of (5).] “ productive labour” are increased and his class hours are reduced.” vh o (n;r?nnnr): (page 162—“Education and Com­ munism in China” )

%?TT jj fwr 1 0 —f - 2 —|— 3 Rfct* Now. they have also reduced it from i o 4 2-j- 2 firwM 13 years to 10 years. Instead of teach­ ? I ^ ^ TPT ing all these useless subjects, it is bet­ ter if you teach subjects like Mathe­ fa aft iftT matics. Science and so on. 1 hope the # *fY fwrqr iptt iftr *nw

[Prof. Shibban Lai Saksena] ments in rural areas. There were none at all in Tsarist Russia. At their book called “Education in The present, there are 25,200 nursery USSR”. It says: schools and kindergartens in the rural areas of the Soviet Uni in, at­ “The Soviet system of pre-school tended by over one million children.” education has developed on d very large scale. Today, there is no city, “Nurseries are intended for Infants district, large enterprise, collective from 2-3 months to 3 years of age.” or state farm that does not h?ve i*s own nurseries and kindergartens. “Children from 3 to 7 years of flge* There are over 75,000 such establish­ attend kindergarten.” ments in the Soviet Union io«iay. ^They have become a part of family Similarly, I hope, you will change our MIe, having gained a sound refuta­ tion. The people value the pre-school curriculum to one consisting of nur­ establishments not merely because series from three months to three they are a place where one can years, kindergarten from four years to seven years—and then nine years at leave a child while the mother is at work, but, chiefly, for the educational school—in place of the present system. Th? present primary education is a goals they achieve, since the aim of these establishments is to see 1c the waste of time and energy and :t des­ troys the future growth of the children. child’s all-round development and education.’* It must be revised on USSR pattern. After completing the pre-school course We have got our primary Zila Parishad at the age of seven, the present pri­ schools where children sit on the mat mary and secondary school course from and the teachers instead of teaching class I to class XII must be compressed children ask them to massage their into 9 years and when the child lejves thighs and to bring sauda—flour and the school at 16 years of age he must pulses for day's food—and to give pass be fully equipped with knowledge karai, that is money for promotion to about all modern developments by a the next class. complete revolution of the present cur­ riculum and by compression of 12 These things must go. It is a wa‘ te years work in nine years by weeding of children’s precious time and money. out the less important subjects from About USSR, the booklet further says curriculum and by including the mosi on page 26 as follows: modem subjects, so that the students, when they come out of school 16 “All pre-school establishments are years of age are fully informed of all run by the State, which allocates modem developments. "T special funds for the construction and equipment of these establish­ ments.’1 Ahout the importance given to vari­ ous disciplines in the Soviet TJfitwifc I It further says on the same page aS would like to quote their monthly time­ follow s: table. The total number of hours de­ ; >'U voted to study per month arre 260 “Various types of pre-school establ­ which are distributed as follows:—Rus­ ishments are run *by various depart­ sian Grammar 53 hours. Literature 18 ments.” hours, Mathematics 58 hours, HHtiry Every farm and factory runs its own 18 hours. Social Sciences 2 hours. nursery and kindergarten. Nature Study 6 hrs.. Geography 11 Then it is said: hours, Biology 11 hours. Physics 16 hrs.. Astronom y 1 hour, Mechanical VavJing "Much has been done for the 3 hours, Chemistry 10 hours. Foreign development of pre-school establish­ language 16 hours, Art 6 hours, Staging l8 § D C., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 (SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 190- & Deptt. of Culture and Music appreciation 7 hours, Phy­ year to the sixteenth year of age, the sical Training 20 hours and Shoti SO boy is made competent to take up hours. This shows the emphasis they any profession in life; he is place on mathematics and Russian taught all modern sciences, al­ grammar. This is because mathematics gebra, geometry, calculus, etc. is the foundation of all sciences and I hope the curriculum of the they want the students to be fully schools will be fully revised. It is capable of becoming scientists. I hrpe, wrong to think that the boys cannot you will see that, in our curriculum, understand all these things: it is only mathematics and science are given because the teachers do not want to proper importance. take the trouble of teaching them. (There are very few present teachers who can teach these things). I hope the I had pointed out last time *hat the funds allotted for education are very Minister will take care to see that small; the amount of present education proper teachers are appointed to teach budget of Rs. 180 crores is a drop in in schools all the subjects which are the ocean. Education is the foundation trained and appointed necessary so as of character-building and nation-build­ to make the education of the *tudj.rts ing. I had pleaded in my last speech more meaningful. that it must be at least ten times n'ore The Finance Minister is not here; if you want education to become realiy otherwise, I would have appealed to meaningful. If you want education to him that the Budget for Education be given on a proper basis, it must be should be increased by ten times if he fully financed; it cannot be done w’th this small amount of Rs. 180 or »res. wants it to be worthwhile. With Rs. 180 crores nothing can be done. I hope They have allocated out of this Rs. 70 the Education Minister will fight for it crores to the UGC. Here, the affiliated colleges which cater for 90 per cent of for, after all, education is the founda­ tion of all nation-building: yet, noth­ the students get only Rs. 4 crores and ing has been done to spend enough the universities get Rs. 36 crores. money upon this Important subject. I There must be equitable distributior.. hope the budget will be increased. The affiliated colleges must get more amenities and facilities, more funds for development. Funds have to be i. »sed From the UGC Report I find th?t the and it should be ensured that the funds number o f teachers in schools at;d are spent on proper things, so that affiliated colleges is very small as education becomes really meanirgful compared to the Universities. The UGC and worthwhile. Report for 1975-76 in Appendices VI, VIII and IX shows that there are 3,67.581 students and 31,624 teachers Our universities are not centres of in 111 Universities in the country and research. They are centres of politi­ 20.58.528 students and 1,35.999 teachers cal intrigue and political competition. in 4508 affiliated colleges. The tf?ach«s.-- This Is not proper. Very stringent student ratio is 1:11-6 in the Universi­ mecviuiro have to be taken to «ae tttat ties while it is 1:15 in th* afflltniei the universities, do not becom e cenU-es colleges. ' This is not correct ari^^om e- o f poiiiTepI rivalry. Research should be thing must be done to isuiedy the the passport to promotion and "■lither situation. I* hope the iMinister will advancement. That is mpre important. examine^his: thoroughly and see^that Otherwise, our universities will became the distribution of teachers is more useless’.’ ths money spent there will rational so that money is not vasted. become a .waste, I hope, necessary There should be more uniformity in> action will be taken in this regard. this regard.

In the Soviet Union, in the ten years of education, from the seventh With these words, I conclude. 191 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed., Soc. Welfare 192 & Deptt. of Culture

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fem Sr sr«r %ti fa n mr | ? vfa 7R*TT XT ^T ^T5pT ^5T JTTfi 4 t M , ST^ cT^T fe*TT if cTT^[ fiPTT rnft fT VFTpJT f t VTTT *T^1 ^IT ^ I %3RT *THT ftT ^ r TO^TT I I « u m +**ti»i tflr *nF?fa i SHRI O. V. ALAGBSAN (Arkonam); Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I would like tl <.+ 1 i vl <- ^lt to say something by way of general JT V?!^ % Hn> ^>i<.1H this House. Of course, we have been 201 D.G., 1077-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 202 & Deptt. of Culture doing it for.£ long number of years; change. I hope the hon’ble Minister we discuss the demands of a particular will bring a very balanced approach ministry for a few hours and then to the problems relating to education. speeches are made from both sides of Education is a field where we have to the House and replies are given and hasten slowly and when changes 'are then the House is called upon to \ote introduced we have to see that the huge sums of mon^r and then the fin­ thread of continuity does not snap. ancial control of Parliament over the Government of India ends. Perhaps, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the new next year too, we shall discuss the government has taken over and the same Demands in the same way. new Minister is presenting the De­ mands of his Ministry to the House. Of course, as I said, we have been We should like to know the education doing it for a long time. But, I think policy of the government. Earlier the time has arrived now that the there have been various commissions Parliament should now exercise real and committees and many of their re­ financial control over the expenditure commendations have been implemen­ of the various ministries and the Com­ ted. I would like to know whether this mittees of Parliament can be consti­ government will go in for a change of tuted which will go minutely into the the education policy of the previous various estimates that the Ministry government in material respects or are may present, scrutinise them, approve they going to continue with the same them and then, they may be placed policy with minor changes here and before the full Parliament. Perhaps, there? that may be a way by which we can ensure greater Parliamentary control Further, Sir, I should like the honv over the expenditure of the various ble Minister to tell the House as to Department/Ministries of the Govern­ what is the policy of the Government ment of India. in respect of 42nd amendment in so far as that amendment provides for As I said, it does not apply to the education being put in the Concurrent Ministry of Education alone; it applies List. Sir, this is a thing which has been to every ministry /department of the very devoutly wished for by successive Government of India. Education Ministers. Shri M.C. Chagla when he was Education Minister tried Now, Sir, coming to the Department his best and he also tried to persuade of Education, it is very frequently said the State governments to agree to this that those who are in charge of educa­ healthy change. It was not possible for tion often meddle with the system and him to achieve this. Through this 42nd they do not allow anything to settle amendment we have been able to bring down and that causes a great confu­ this subject in the Concurrent List sion and also hardship to the pupils as which help not only coordinate the well as the parents. This is a criticism various activities of the State govern­ which we hear quite often. Recently, ments but also the Centre will be able you may also be aware that what is to effectively coordinate the whole called new mathematics was introdu­ thing. So, Sir, I would like to know ced and it worked for a few years whether in their zeal to completely and we see that there are some second cancel the 42nd amendment are they thoughts on the question. I am told going to throw the baby also along that it is going to be taken away from with the bath water? the syllabus. This criticism has been there. I would like to submit that edu­ Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there was cation has to change according to the some effort—not a very sustained changing needs of the society. It can­ effort—to form an All India Education not be static. The pattern of educa­ Service. It is not a new thing. There tion and content of education has to was an effort to review this service. 13 203 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1877 of Ed., Soc. Welfare 204 & Deptt. of Culture [Shri O. V. Alagesan] English is not being taught with pro­ the hon’ble Minister thinking of hav­ per standards. So, the 3-language for­ ing an All India Education Service as mula is a thing which everybody talk* it binds the country and helps in bring, about and which nobody agrees to im­ ing about integration in the country? plement. For instance, there were ques­ If the hon’ble Minister thinks in terms tions earlier also as to what the Uttar of forming an All India Education Pradesh is doing, whether they are Service from that point of view, it will teaching any other Indian language be a welcome step. Now, I would like preferably South-Indian language, the to know whether he is thinking in this reply came that they are not doing direction. any thing of the sort It is true that Tamil Nadu declared that it would Again, Sir, we are talking of the only follow the 2-language formula. 3-language formula. Now, this is em- The new Chief Minister also said that. beded in the National Education Policy While that is so, other States are not Resolution of the Government of India. saying anything on this matter *nd It has come to the fore recently also in they are just keeping mum. They have the context of our trying to introduce not given effect to this policy. This is the 10-f2+3 education system. The how it is actually being implemented resolution provides for a review of in practice. Actually what is r>emg what has been done every five years. done is that the mother-tongue is I was going through the National Edu­ given full recognition and then comes cation Policy Resolution. It says that English. So, in actual practice, de facto every five years, the Government will mother-tongue is the first language that set up a committee or set some machi­ is being taught and then English is the nery by which a review of what has second language, not Hindi or any been done how far the resolution has other Indian language is the second been implemented, etc. can be done by the Committee. Now, what is the language, though you talk much about it. This is the thing which has to be present Government’s thinking on the taken into account. But if you £re 3-language formula? Do they want going to follow the 3-language formula, to continue this formula? If so, I please see whether it is being carried would like to tell the House how this is being carried out in practice. Whe­ out anywhere, by any State and then try to evolve a realistic policy. I do ther anybody carries it out at all. Only not find fault with U.P. or Bihar Gov­ lip sympathy is paid to the 3-language ernments, because they do not leach formula. At the secondary stage, stu­ one of the South-Indian languages to dents are called upon to study along their children. Why should they burden with the mother-tongue a language their boys and girls with a South- which will be Hindi in non-Hindi Indian language with which they very speaking State and it should be one of rarely come into contact? There 5s no the other languages in the motivation. You may say there is Hindi speaking States, preferably motivation in non-Hindi speaking a South-Indian language and also States to learn Hindi as Hindi ha3 English which is the third been adopted as our national language language. What is happening? and link language, etc. But, there is Does anybody know of this? Tamil- resistance to Hindi. So, while framing nadu has come for an adverse com­ the policy regarding the 3-language ment in this matter. I would like to know whether any other State is formula, I would ask you to look into honestly implementing this policy of the fact and see what is happening and 3-language system. You find that edu­ then think of a realistic formula that will work. cation is mostly being imparted in the mother-tongue and some place is given As it is only the two language for­ English. So, in actual practice, de facto mula is being given effect to not being taught very indifferently. If you only by Tamil Nadu but by all the look into the matter, you will And that States. 205 D G » 1977-78— Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 iSAKA) of EdSoc. Welfare 206 & Deptt. of Culture With reference to the introduction of extra curricular activities and more 10 plus 2, you have appointed a review work experience and not load academic committee. My friend Shri Hitendra things on the heads of small children. Desai asked whether you should have a I entirely agree with him. You will committee when everything has been see young children bent with huge done. I feel that you should hasten loads of books, how many kilos I can slowly in the matter, it is better to not say. You are allowed to sarry only have a review of that; no harm will 20 kg when you travel by air; the chil­ result from that. It is being given etT- dren are made to carry more books ect to, very slowly; people are just and notebooks. What they cost is an­ starting to give effect to it. The terms other matter. If you could do some­ of reference of that committee include: thing to reduce this physical burden to review stagewise, and subjectwise it will be a welcome step. objectives identified in NCERT docu­ ment—“The curriculum for the 10 year I now come to a subject matter school" and so on. I have something which may not be very popular. We to say about the curriculum for the 10 have got mixed economy. Private eff­ year school. On an earlier occasion I ort is welcome. A man setting up an criticised some of the things that were industry in private sector is not only found in the curriculum and as a res­ permitted to do so but is very gene­ ult of my critcism some changes have rously helped by the government; the been made in a subsequent paper that present government, if any, will err had been brought out by the NCERT. more on the generous side. I do not The report of the ministry very prou­ want any discrimination should be dly declares that NCERT is the techni­ made in the educational field. If cal wing of the department of educa parents get together and want«to set tion. I find in the documents produced up an institution and teach their child­ so many faults because in the earlier ren by themselves why should not the documents they did not define the se­ Government permit it? I am talking cond language. They said that the se­ about the capitation fee levying in­ cond language would be Hindi with stitutions. Some of them might not reference to non-Hindi speaking states. have behaved properly. For that matter They failed to state with reference to everybody can misbehave. For instance, the Hindi speaking stateg that it would you issued licences worth hundreds be one of the other Indian languages, of crores of rupees to import edible preferably South Indian language; they oil and we find that most of the licen­ have not said it. I did no£ want to go ces were sold abroad and very little into details about it. I had occasion to oil was purchased and brought into point out this discrepancy and I am the country. Similarly, if any institu glad that they have made it up In the tion goes wrong, we have got the in­ subsequent document that they have spection personnel who can certainly published. Here also they say that En­ pull it up and rectify the defects. glish can be taught from clauses 6 but You should have know that my they have not provided for it in the friend, Mr. T. A. Pai and his family allocation of periods. What they say members have built a beautiful and earlier is not followed up by their later glorious campus in Manipal. which is statements and recommendations, I in the South Canara district of the welcome the appointment of the com­ Karnataka State. There is self-help in mittee to review the syllabii and other education. Parents get together* they things that have been prepared by the subscribe ten thousand rupees or fif­ NCERT for enforcing 10-1-2 system be­ teen thousand rupees. It earns a lot of cause I remember the hon. Minister foreign exchange also. Similarly, why saying soon after he took over that he don’t ycu allow this private effort In would like to reduce the burden of the the field of education, for Instance In syllabii, etc. and provide for more the matter of Polytechnics and En- D.G., 1977-7&—Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed., Soc. Welfare 208 & Deptt. of Culture

[Shri O. V. Alagesan] ( w f to tt) : gineering colleges. Though medical education does not come under your control, this can be done there also. ftren tt w t ^ ? ft j What is the position in Tamil Nadu this year? About 8000 boys applied for for *»t WTO WT5TZ entranc into Engineering Colleges and *ft 215 inrc ir only 1300 are going to get admission. snrfa unnfw m strt Same is the case for admission into Tmfo polytechnics. Most of the students are ^feoft & farerr snrrr not able to get admission. So, if you ft ft STSVTV t I ^ *ft ^»pft can allow private effort in this field, it will be a very desirable thing. f% fffT ift wmm *n We are talking about vocationalisa- tion in plus 2 stage. Here I want to say something by way of a warning. “It has been specially mentioned There are boys who come from fami­ that to bring about rapid economic lies with educational background and and technological progress and cre­ there are others who come from fami­ ate a social system based on human lies without any educational back­ freedom and social justice and equal ground. Now there is suspicion in the opportunities, the development of minds of those pupils whose families education is of utmost necessity." are without educational background that by this they will be pushed on to the vficational Stream and that they eft fcir *r finwr tt would not be able to have college oflu- ffcrr 1 nf qr *TT XPTT cation, etc. This suspicion should be banished from their minds by the way in which you implement this plus 2 f^TT t. <^1 ^rf^r fr frw education. err j t t ? 1 ira I would like to say something about fTOH 20 W T if 3ft ftlW? % 3WT the Saraswathi Mahal Library in Tan- jore in Tamil Nadu. Steps have been w 1 . 2 T?rr taken to see that this is declared as *rn»r ^ 3.3 n O t f t »rai fc • one of national importance on the 1950 ^ 1975 err srwfmt. ftren

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5 Pierre *ft w f ? W ?TFT ftW T RWt TT TOTf %?TT ff y^T ^I'TW ^n^TT TT^fl j f T ^ sft rHN *Tm *T|JJ ^r T ST^RTRTf inylwitff «flT % t o wrc n *fr ^ % iTH^q ftlVT Tt ^TTWV 5ftT fipir ^TT *tt^ t i *r^° u o t g to tT0| « fvren t t ^ i r 4 i « m %fl\ r m T t't^ t T t f e f t ^ T % STTPTT, T<5^e< «»*H Tt*T W ITTT ^Tf | % firflT 3ft ^r*rl^H $5TT RTrTT $ ^ T T t TT^ *1^ ^ I ^RTTT *1TT*T SHRI V. ABUNACHALAM (Tiru- ^ i ^fWifsi'T ^ ^tf^nT, nelveli) : Mr. Chairman, I thank you trW© (To# NHiHr1 ^ SITOTT RT ^T of Education and Social Welfare. ^ ?n^T Phh ^ ?T J>H < ^ ^ cfrPsriT i q r PriT o t t ?rpT ^ n 2x r Bklacation was primarily a state subject. Under the Constitution, as ^ f^rtr,

[Shri V, Arunachalam] for medium of instruction. In its Re­ port it has clearly pointed out: nearly 5.50 crores of students discon­ tinued their study after primary “It would, therefore, be unwise to school. strive to reverse the present trend for the adoption of the regional Mere primary education is languages as medium of education not going to be useful or helpful in at the university stage and to insist this modern world. Therefore, I re­ on the use of a common medium in quest the Government to take more higher education throughout the drastic steps for the implementation country.” of compulsory free education upto S.S.L.C., if this is not possible, at Sir, in 1968 this House has passed least upto 8th standard. a Resolution about national policy on Sir, our Education Department is education. I quote: noted for its lack of clarity, definite philosophy and determined action. “The regional languages are al­ The problem of medium of instruc­ ready in use as medium of educa­ tion in colleges and universities is tion at primary and secondary hanging fire for the past 15 years. In stages. Urgent steps should be taken order to improve the standard of edu­ to adopt them as medium of edu­ cation and develop the knowledge in cation at the university stage.” various branches of study, it is an accepted fact that medium of instruc­ The Kothari Commission had fixed a tion in the colleges and universities time limit of ten years for changing must be the regional language. Even at the medium of instruction. We have the time of freedom struggle our na­ taken another ten years and still we tional poety Rabindra Nath Tagore are unable to implement the scheme pointed out in a convocation address successfully. Unless we examine this at Calcutta with a painful feeling: matter with due care and sense of res­ ponsibility and take prompt steps for “ In no country in the world ex­ the implementation of this scheme, cept India, is to be seen this divorce the wheel of progress will be put in of the languages of education from reverse gear and it will take another the languages of the people." 25 years to improve our position in After the dawn of Independence the the field of education. national leaders realised the vital role of regional languages for Sir, I know that some of the States promoting the quality of educa­ have adopted regional language as a tion and national integration. The Na­ medium of instruction. Some books in tional Integration Council formed in science and technology have been 1962 favoured the change in the me­ published in regional languages. dium of instruction from English to £o far as our State is concerned it regional languages. It said : has granted special scholarships for “The development of latent talent those who have preferred to take in the country will also—in view of Tamil medium. Inspite of all these the Council—be retarded unless re­ earnest steps most of the students are gional languages are employed as a not willing to favour regional medium medium of instruction at the uni­ but prefer English as the medium of versity stage.” instruction. Why is it so? We must j look into it. Our students and their Sir, we all know that the Kothari ^ parents prefer English medium not Commission enquired into and exa­ . because of any affection towards mined the educational matters in de­ ', English or on account of realisation tail. The Commission had a definite ,of its rich literature value but because view in support of regional languages .of its advantageous position in Gov­ 241 D.G.9 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 242- & Deptt. of Culture ernment and Administration. Regio­ the first sentence of the KothpH nal languages have not been elevat­ Commission’s report reads like this.' ed to that level. So, th6 Government must be very sincere in its policy. “The destiny of India is being This government must take necessary shaped in her class-rooms'’. steps to introduce regional languages not only in the administration of all In fact, it is not shaped but crippled the States but also in the offices of not by the students, but by the politi­ the Central Government located in cians, not in the class-room but by the the States. Sir, in my constituency, law-making bodies. Thank you. that is Tirunelveli, we have got Cen­ tral Government offices in which work (ttc'j t ) : WT'rfa is being carried on either in Hindi or in English language. Both the langu­ ages are foreign to us. Therefore, my w? *rr plea is that all the work in the Cen­ tral Government offices located in the 5 ^ r *fr *nr, i States must be carried on in the re­ gional languages. ^ 30 ^ 1 1 30 Another reason for the non-fulfil­ ment of the policy is the attitude of f% ftrerr w. v m fpren the Hindi fanatics. They want to re­ place English by Hindi in Universi­ qlVqdH wr* % g r c far err ties and colleges. Of course, it is not *rr jjErrcrf ^ fft qnrr i the policy of the Centre, but the man­ !*hit farerT ner in which the Central Government approaches the language problem is i?, full of double dealing and deceit. This *3r r fsrr I Government must remove the fear in the minds of the people, not by assu­ 30 STT'Tf if fTO ^ ^rr rances, not by promises, not by dec­ larations but by deed and action. You nt % Mcrf cf| must create the confidence. Confi­ H s ^ t ^ ^ % tr^ n ^ dence is a plant of slow growth in ftlW ^ rft ^TT m 5TR' ft an aged bosom. 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16 hrs. SHHI A. E. T. BARROW (Nomi­ na ted-Anglo-Indian) : Mr. Chairman, ?TT^o ?TT^o ??W ^T rRT rllc^J«T> it was indeed heartening to read that the Planning Commission in formu­ ^ ?T ^TT t I HT^o ?TT^o lating its 6th plan will ensure among i t * % 3i> %v?*t tnrr^ fa^ ^r% ? other things the basic requirement ^ fr *frf?rft^r iftnr qr fam of public services including the edu­ cation of a substantial number of ^TRTT ^T q^ qft *TfT*TT people below the poverty line. This % VpnT «WlfgTfa^gM ft m 5T ft I promises, I hope, a larger outlay on 249 D G-. 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1899 ( SAKA) of Ed., Soc. Welfare 250 & Deptt. of Culture education. A remark under the de­ Committee of Parliament which for­ mands for grants reads as follows: mulated the National Policy on Edu­ cation in 1967. We had before us the “An increase of Rs. 20.73 crores recommendations of the Kothari Com­ in 1977-78 is to be provided largely mission on education. I believe that for grants to institutions.” the 10+2 pattern is more suitable to the country. It is the logical outcome of our Constitution. Article 45 of our As one connected with education Constitution enjoins that there shall for almost five decades, may 1 be per­ be free and compulsory education up mitted to offer the Minister a little to the age of 14. It is accepted as a advice in the form of a modern fable. matter of convention that children Once upon a time a man bought a will be admitted to school at the age horse; he kept it in a small field at of six. Therfore, is follows that the the back of his house where it en­ first stage of free and compulsory joyed grazing and a winter ration of education must be of 8 years dura­ hay. Times were hard, and often the tion. This period of 8 years is the horse went short of fodder but, though minimum. At the next stage the dura­ thin, survived. In course of time the tion for any course, be it an academic man improved the stable, built better course or be it vocational course barns to keep the hay, doubled the should be about two years. Therefore, number of stable lads, and brought in you get 8-|-2. At the end of this an army of administrators to manage stage many of the pupils will the horse. This led to the horse to ex­ leave schools. They become typ­ pect some improvement in its diet ists or clerks or nurses. Some But with a bigger establishment to people may go for employment as maintain, bigger barns to sweep out ticket collectors, guards and so on more ancillary and administrative so that it is the natural end of the staff to pay, the man became still first stage of secondary education. For more hard up and, as an economy the 10-1-2 stage the minimum period measure, ordered the supply of hay for either vocational education or for to be cut by 10 per cent. academic education will be about 2 years. I would ask the Minister to make a clear unequivocal statement My appeal to the hon. Minister is about the pattern of school education. that when he gets a larger outlay for Many of the schools are opening education, he should see that the shortly and parents do not know horse of education gets its hay and what is going to happen. If this is that we do not spend money on more going to be changed in the middle of institutions, better buildings and all the term, it will interfere with the the facade and paraphernalia of edu­ lives and the future of our children. cation except education qua edu­ It is an important matter and I think cation. we should get a clear statement from the Minister on this question.

Nowf I raise the question of the With these general remarks I will content of secondary education. I come to specify issues One of the agree with the Minister that our issues is with regard to the 10 + 2 pat­ secondary education is too heavy. I tern of education. I am connected have found another apt quotation : with a large number of schools and many parents asked me the question: “Cromwell described the laws of what is going to be the future of England as a “tortuous and ungodly the 104-2 pattern of education? jumble” . That seems to me an ex­ The Minister has thrown a mantle of cellent description of our education uncertainty over the implementation —at least of our secondary educa­ of his plan. I was a member of the tion. What an amazing and chaotic 251 DG.§ 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1077 of Ed.% Soc. Welfare 252 & Deptt. of Culture [Shri A. E. T. Barrow) I would like to draw the attention of the Minister to a paragraph in the thing it is. One subject after an­ National Policy on Education: other is pressed Into this bursting portmantearn which ought to be "Education at this stage should be confined to the necessary clothes largely terminal, so that a majority for a journey through life, but be­ of students who complete Class XII comes a wardrobe of bits of cos­ can enter different walks of life. tumes like the property box of a From this point of view, the re­ theatrical company. And to make the cruitment to lower administrative chaos more chaotic, we mix the services and posts should ultimately clothes together indiscriminately in be made from amongst those who our curriculum putting on a cos­ have completed the higher secondary tume and pulling it off before we stage, and the recruitment of gradu­ have time to button it up.” ates to these posts should be dis­ couraged, by prescribing a lower This is what happened to the class X curriculum and the content of the age for appointment. It is desirable course. Suddenly the schools were to select the personnel even for the told to withdraw 3 sections from the superior posts under government or Chemistry syllabus. Even before they in the public sector at the end of had buttoned up the coat of chemistry, the higher secondary stage itself, they were asked to delete portions of and then train them further at State the History Syllabus. I agree with the expense. ** Minister that it is much too over­ loaded a curriculum. I would ask the As long as we make university Minister to accept this as a basic education an instrument, we will be policy, that school education should defeating the purpose of education. If be a full, sufficient and complete school education is an instrument for organic whole, complete in itself and university education, and university not a means or an instrument of the education becomes an instrument for next stage of education. At present finding jobs, we defeat the whole pur­ our school education is controlled by pose of education. university education; it is oriented to university education. Don’t let school I wanted to say something about education be used as an instrument vocationalization. I am glad that the for sending people to the university. 6th Plan envisages rural industrial As soon as you make education an development. The Minister is right instrument, it defeats the very pur­ in saying that job-oriented education pose of education. It must be com­ is not the panacea for unemployment. plete and sufficient in itself, so that The history of advanced countries will you can journey through life without show that it is a piece of folklore to a degree. believe that technical education or May T say a word on university vocational education can charge the education? What is it that our uni­ economic bases of society. In Japan versities are doing? University edu­ and America, vocational education did cation is an instrument; It is instru­ not build industry; industry has pro­ ment for employment. Most of our moted and supported technical edu­ jobs, whether in the government at cation. Educational Sociologists have the Centre or in the States or in the proved quite clearly that the only way public sector, require a university to develop technical training is to degree as the entrance requirement, first change the basic economic struc­ and so our university education is ture of society. Only then will we attuned to and directed towards pro­ be able to provide enough jobs for viding degrees for the purpose of em-* persons who go through the training ployment; necessary for such industry. d o ., 1977*78—Min. ASADHA 14, 1809 (SAKA) of Ed., Soc Welfare 254 5 ^ Deptt. of Culture

Finally, I want to say something on pressure, temperature and rainfall of examinations. The Central Board of a place like Delhi or Bombay and say­ Secondary Education quite rightly ing that it is the climate of that place. announce^ that it was B°ing to issue its results in grades and not in marks. To support any criticism, I quote There was a committee appointed by from the Kothari Commission: the Central Advisory Board of Edu- “For instance, the present situa­ tion. Shri V. K. Malhotra. Shri Nara- tion where a debate often takes simha Rao and myself, among others, place whether a student with 39.6 were on this Committee, and we re­ per cent marks should or should not commended that grades should be used be admitted (the prescribed marks and not marks. The University for admission being 40 per cent) Grants Commission held meetings and and where such student may be ad­ they also came to the conclusion that mitted in one college or faculty but grades and not marks should be used. not in another, is Pickwickian, if not A seven-point scale was considered absurd." and it was accepted. But suddenly there wag a newspaper announcement I would ask the hon. Minister to that the Central Government had de­ please look into this; this reform in cided that the Central Board should examinations has been accepted. I not use grades, but marks. Firstly, request him to see that something is the Central Board is an autonomous done about it at least before next ses­ body, and I do not know why the Cen­ sion, next year. tral Government should have taken upon itself to decide that the Central : *r*rnfrr Board should not use grades but marks. tt But to make matters worse still, we *nfR*r, *rini snnw find that the Delhi University, which 'jfl ^ i Pt‘ ^ ^TcTT TT is a Central University, is still think­ imroi ^rt i ^ fft 30 ing in terms of making admissions in terms of marks. It will lead to an m*r T t P u m a srcftarT 3R m «n#f absurd and ridiculous situation. Ac­ fa HI $ I HI3l£) % 20 +7t3 cording to the newspapers, the posi­ % T T fa fJTTETT arftrT if «T, tion is this. "The number of c&ndi. dates obtaining marks between 33 and 30 39.9 per cent is 5,904, and those ob­ riWf qft 40 T f t ? % £ i taining between 40 and 44.9 per cent ?*TVt TTTT t I O T f fT % is 8,990.M The University lays down 40 per cent as the admission mark. fa ir ^IJPTT % 3FRTT 7 T#f *ft JTTTTT We as teachers and examiners take it nfV.qa'i 5^7 SPIT upon ourselves to be able to distin­ 4 guish between one candidate and ano­ TT fft *l { vtii< *fl ^ «T 1 v t i gq faft The other criticism I have to make 3 3RrTT K If is that we add up the marks for the jj f% ^ different subjects and say that it is 33.9 per cent. It is like adding up the 255 O.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY , 1977 of Ed., Soe. Welfare 256 & Deptt. of Culture

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have spoken about primary education. “I am not studying. I am just looking Ag the Chairman of one of the Muni­ after my cattle.” That is the position cipalities of Tamil Nadu and a Senate of small boys between the ages of 6 Member of the Madras University, i and 14. If that is so, how are we going can tell you something here. Almost to fulfil the aspirations and ambitions all the schools in Municipalities are of the founding fathers of the Consti­ controlled by the Municipalities. We tution? The percentage of literacy are not in a position to construct even among our women is only 18. If you small houses for the schools. In each exclude those who can only write and every school, hundreds of stu­ their names, the actual literacy per­ dents are studying. If we ask the centage among women will be only 9 State Government to give so much of to 10, not more. grant for the construction of buildings for accommodating the ^tudents, they Coming to sports education, most of say we have not got sufficient funds the villages have schools without play­ and we are expecting funds from the grounds. Such a negligence in the* Centre. When such is the position in primary schools will only lead to our Madras State, I personally believe, that poor performance in international the same will be the case in the entire forums. country. If that is the state of affairs, I would request the concerned autho­ Coming to the language issue, so rities to allot more and more funds for many persons have talked against the development and improvement of English. They say that the regional education. There is a lack of deter­ languages should be given importance. mination and will to improve the edu­ I would like to ask a sensitive ques­ cational system of our country. tion. I come from deep south and my mother tongue is Telugu. I have stu­ r I have been reading the various died Tamil and 1 am speaking in Eng­ lish. I can speak in very good Tamil, speeches delivered in the past 20 to 25 but most of the members will not years during the budget debates. understand what I say. Even the in­ terpreter will not be able to inter­ The same type of speeches are deli­ pret it perfectly into English or Hindi. vered over the years. If that be the Some say that English should be re­ case, I do not know how we are going moved. What is the alternative? Is to improve our educational system. English to be replaced by Telugu, Tamil. Malayalam or any other lan­ I understand that nearly 30 per cent guage? Which language can replace of our people are considered to be English? Can Hindi replace it? We literate. Here I should say that of will not accept it. You have accepted persons who are able to put their Anglo-Indians as one of the communi­ signatures alone are also considered to ties of our country and their mother- be literate. More than 60 per cent of tongue is English. Why not accept the people are unable to read even English as the national language of our any one of the Indian languages. country? English is also an interna­ tional language. It can be the sole official language for the whole nation. The framers of the Indian Constitu­ When you accept a oarticular lan­ tion wanted to give much importance guage as the sole official language, the to primary education. In fact, they advantages and disadvantages have to wanted to give compulsory education be equally distributed among the peo­ to the children in the age group of 6 ple. The people of Tamilnadu have to 14. In my constituency, when I to read not only Tamil but also Hind! had been there just to ask their votes, to get employment. In addition, a I asked a number of persons there man like me has to learn his mother- “What are you doing?" They replied tongue, i.e. Telugu. Therefore, I am 2S7 D G - 1977-78—Min. JULY 5, 1977 of Ed., Soe. Welfare 288 & Deptt. of Culture [Shri R. Mohanarangam] that this is a very sensitive question and unless and until this particular forced to read three languages where, problem is solved, we, Tamilians, will as a person who knows Hindi only can not work for the development and the go throughout the length and breadth unification of the country, 1 may also of the country. If I read only Tamil, tell you that the langauge problem can I travel throughout the nation? will definitely lead to bad conse­ In the Parliament House post office, quences. So I request our Chairman everything is written in Hindi. In the to request our hon. Education Minister post offices in Tamilnadu, will you to allot more funds for constructing allow the notices to be in Tamil? In b uildings not only in Delhi circle not the post offices in other States, will only in North India, but also through­ you allow it to been the regional out the country. language of that State? You will not agree to that being done in the Central SHRI NIHAR LASKAR (Karim- Government offices. You will say, it ganj): The Education Minister is not should be only in English and Hindi. a Hindi man. My language—Tamil is a hoary lan­ SHRI R. MOHANARANGAM: I am guage which was born before the birth not aware of which State he belongs of the s&nds and stones of the world. to. I belong to a constituency which It is a very ancient language and our is situated in Tamil Nadu. I find that sermons and scriptures are written in in the Central Schools they are not that language- I am not asking for allowing admission to anybody except that particular language to be the sole the children of Government emplo­ official language. Hindi is a language yees. 1 would request the Education hardly 200 years old. It wa5 started Minister to ensure that the children by a few persons on the banks of the of other members of the public are Ganges. How can we accept that to also allowed admission in these Cen­ be the sole official language? Our tral Schools. party is going up in Tamilnadu be­ cause we are fighting for Tamil and Finally, I would say one thing. If other parties which are fighting for at al] w e want to improve the educa­ Hindi are going down. Unless *nd tion system in our country, more unti] the langauge problem is solved to funds should be allotted for that. the satisfaction of all. we are not going to have unification of the country. You 9ft TT* ffWMT TT* (W *JT) : may ask, what is the solution? But *r, xftK tftr ^r m y answer to that is. do you mean to «nn T ^ ir, *ft*pr tt srt srrf say that we are the last generation of 7 j this world? Why should we decide f t Tjfr fc, m % wit % wt?¥ u m r the langauge issue now? We are not -qignl (T I the last generation? Let us leave the problem to posterity. We are not the iffTTT^ ifrvnr r proper authority to decide it. Thare are so many other more important S R ir *TT I things to be decided by us like the *r *Tf ?T¥ *TPT welfare of the people, education of the people, economic development of finrr*! c jttt ft% *t*it pr ir m the country, starting industries all 4*rr vrfirwrfinif t o ^ f t

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