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Telfer Stokes Interviewed by Cathy Courtney: Full Transcript of the Interview NATIONAL LIFE STORIES ARTISTS’ LIVES Telfer Stokes Interviewed by Cathy Courtney C466/61 (tapes 1 – 15) This transcript is copyright of the British Library Board. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] © The British Library Board IMPORTANT Access to this interview and transcript is for private research only. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB 020 7412 7404 [email protected] Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators ([email protected]) © The British Library Board The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C466/61/01-06 Digitised from cassette originals Collection title: Artists’ Lives Interviewee’s surname: Stokes Title: Interviewee’s forename: Telfer Sex: male Occupation: Dates: b. 1940 Dates of recording: 1997.11.05, 1998.01.29, 1998.01.30, 1998.20.10, 1999.06.10 Location of interview: Interviewee's home, Yarrow, and British Library Name of interviewer: Cathy Courtney Type of recorder: Marantz CP430 and two lapel mics Recording format: TDK C60 Cassettes F numbers of playback cassettes: Total no. of digitised tracks: Mono or stereo: Stereo Additional material at the British Library: Copyright/Clearance: Tracks 31 to 44 closed until December 2028. © The British Library Interviewer’s comments: © The British Library Board Telfer Stokes C466/61 Track 1: Tape 1: Side A Page 1 Track 1: Tape 1: Side A What would you say today’s date was? I’m really lost, I don’t even know what the date is. If the fair was at... I can’t even think. Are we into the sort of teens? It’s actually the anniversary of the day I moved into this house. Oh that must be about thirty years ago. Ooh! [LAUGHING] Twenty years ago? Sixteen I think. Sixteen. How come you actually have an anniversary of moving into the house? I don’t think I have that sort of thing. Oh well the only reason is because it’s November the 5th. Ah, well then that is easy to remember for other reasons, yes. And what year would you think it is? Oh, you’re going to make me do mathematics now. Something like ‘82 or something. No no no, now. Oh, what year? ‘97. [BREAK IN RECORDING] © The British Library Board Telfer Stokes C466/61 Track 1: Tape 1: Side A Page 2 If we can start at a very boring place, which is where and when you were born. Yes. Well I was born, I believe the house was called Park Owls. Called what? Park Owls. There’s been a certain amount of controversy about the name of the house, I’m not quite sure why, but I always understood it is it’s name, I mean it is obviously... So I was born, anyway I’ll go in...I was born...right, I was born, well was I born in the house? I don’t think I was, I think I was...oh no I was, that’s right, that’s right, the whole story of me being born was, the nurse coming to the house and my mother had me in her bed, and it was at Park Owls. And that’s in Carbis Bay just outside St. Ives, which is where my parents went to live having moved from London. And so that was the 3rd of October 1940. I believe it was on a Thursday, so, my mother has always said, ‘And Thursday’s child has far to go’. Putting you on the doorstep the moment you could walk. [LAUGHS] So, that was Thursday the 3rd of October 1940. So that was just obviously after the war had started. And very touchingly my father had found my mother a cave somewhere in the vicinity in case the Germans invaded. Because, you know, up to that point she was pregnant obviously. And, it had running water, and this is all with the idea of the birth with the Germans having invaded. And meanwhile he was being drafted in the Home Guard, and in the early days they kept eyes on the horizon and then later on the idea of the parachutists etcetera, they kept their eyes on the skies, was the sort of general kind of comment. But, Carbis Bay, or rather Park Owls, overlooked Carbis Bay, so, and the garden was sort of, was like a sort of terrace, because the house is built into, sloping down into the, down to Carbis Bay itself, so we were sort of on a plateau overlooking the bay. But there were trees around the house, so that, I don’t actually remember being able to see the sea except when you are in the house, and it was on all sorts of kinds of levels, there was a terrace over a lower bit where my father used to keep his, where his sort of, his studio © The British Library Board Telfer Stokes C466/61 Track 1: Tape 1: Side A Page 3 if you like to call it, I don’t know, it wasn’t his studio, it was really, what was it called? It was called, it’s where he...actually he used to sleep down there; I always remember his bedroom and his working, his sort of study is really what it was called, was down in the lower part of the house which overlooked a sort of back road, and it was built on a kind of, almost like a cliff, and then there was the back road, and then there was another house below. And curiously enough, I really ought to say this, this was owned by my mother’s future second husband’s adopted...well, it was Francis’s, Francis Davison’s, what he called his mother, but I mean she had adopted him so, I don’t know what his relationship to her was, she was called Mrs Arbuthnot as far as I remember. And he evidently was visiting now and then and he would have been there when my parents were living just the other side of this thing. And in the Nicholson drawing which Ben Nicholson made of Park Owls from the lawn, you can actually see the house in the right-hand corner below Park Owls, the sort of...and you can see Godrevy Lighthouse and a bit of the bay, and the sort of pine trees which made it virtually impossible for me being rather small to see the actual sea from the lawn. There was one hoop, there was one croquet hoop in that drawing, and actually what there was was, this was a focal point for various sort of people to go and play croquet, my father was fairly kind of competitive. He started off with Ben and Barbara, evidently they had been...I mean, before my birth they had already stayed with my parents, had come down to[??] London, but there’s lots of stories about how they arrived in a taxi all the way from London. No? Well I certainly have heard it a few times. And I think my father was asked if he could pay for it or something, I can’t quite remember. But they came with a cook and a nanny, and triplets. And the triplets, the Nicholson triplets were born the same day as me but two years before. It didn’t seem a coincidence to anybody, but it was, I mean it really was. Did you grow up knowing them at all, or not? No I didn’t. I mean I only met Kate due to the fact that she was married to Alan Bowness, is that right? And so, the first time I ever really met her any other than being a child, and I can’t actually remember if we did actually meet, was when she was, many many years later. So no, absolutely, connection to me. But curiously enough I was at school with Tim Nicholson, who wasn’t Ben Nicholson’s part of, and © The British Library Board Telfer Stokes C466/61 Track 1: Tape 1: Side A Page 4 certainly not Ben and Barbara’s part of the family, it was Ben Nicholson’s brother’s side of the family, and last night at Margaret’s opening, Jane Kasmin was there who was married to Kasmin but she was the elder daughter of Tim Nicholson who was...and they were both all, the three of them were all children of Ben Nicholson’s brother, who is an architect and I can’t remember his actual surname, I never met him. It wasn’t Kit, Kit Nicholson? Yes, it probably was. Oh right. Yes, Kit Nicholson, it was. And he was married to someone called EQ. Yes. Yes. Well that was their mother. And do you feel linked to them in any way, or is too tenuous? The Nicholsons? Mm. Well I feel that today because I bumped into Jane, and I didn’t...to be honest I saw her at this opening and I thought, I can’t think who that is but there was something vaguely familiar about her.
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