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Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That - the New York Times 12/4/2017 Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That - The New York Times OP‑ED CONTRIBUTOR Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That Donald Trump being interviewed by Billy Bush in 2015. Rob Kim/Getty Images By Billy Bush Dec. 3, 2017 He said it. “Grab ’em by the pussy.” Of course he said it. And we laughed along, without a single doubt that this was hypothetical hot air from America’s highest‑rated bloviator. Along with Donald Trump and me, there were seven other guys present on the bus at the time, and every single one of us assumed we were listening to a crass standup act. He was performing. Surely, we thought, none of this was real. We now know better. Recently I sat down and read an article dating from October of 2016; it was published days after my departure from NBC, a time when I wasn’t processing anything productively. In it, the author reviewed the various firsthand accounts about Mr. Trump that, at that point, had come from 20 women. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/billy-bush-trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?emc=edit_ta_20171203&nl=top-stories&nlid=1747381&ref=cta&_r=0 1/7 12/4/2017 Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That - The New York Times Some of what Natasha Stoynoff, Rachel Crooks, Jessica Leeds and Jill Harth alleged involved forceful kissing. Ms. Harth said he pushed her up against a wall, with his hands all over her, trying to kiss her. “He was relentless,” she said. “I didn’t know how to handle it.” Her story makes the whole “better use some Tic Tacs” and “just start kissing them” routine real. I believe her. Kristin Anderson said that Mr. Trump reached under her skirt (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman‑says‑trump‑reached‑under‑ her‑skirt‑and‑groped‑her‑in‑early‑1990s/2016/10/14/67e8ff5e‑917d‑11e6‑a6a3‑ d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.71a33acaf147) and “touched her vagina through her underwear” while they were at a New York nightclub in the 1990s. That makes the “grab ’em by the pussy” routine real. I believe her. President Trump is currently indulging in some revisionist history, reportedly telling allies, including at least one United States senator, that the voice on the tape is not his. This has hit a raw nerve in me. I can only imagine how it has reopened the wounds of the women who came forward with their stories about him, and did not receive enough attention. This country is currently trying to reconcile itself to years of power abuse and sexual misconduct. Its leader is wantonly poking the bear. In 2005, I was in my first full year as a co‑anchor of the show “Access Hollywood” on NBC. Mr. Trump, then on “The Apprentice,” was the network’s biggest star. The key to succeeding in my line of work was establishing a strong rapport with celebrities. I did that, and was rewarded for it. My segments with Donald Trump when I was just a correspondent were part of the reason I got promoted. NBC tripled my salary and paid for my moving van from New York to Los Angeles. Was I acting out of self‑interest? You bet I was. Was I alone? Far from it. With Mr. Trump’s outsized viewership back in 2005, everybody from Billy Bush on up to the top brass on the 52nd floor had to stroke the ego of the big cash cow along the way to higher earnings. None of us were guilty of knowingly enabling our future president. But all of us were guilty of sacrificing a bit of ourselves in the name of success. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/billy-bush-trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?emc=edit_ta_20171203&nl=top-stories&nlid=1747381&ref=cta&_r=0 2/7 12/4/2017 Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That - The New York Times Ten years later, I did speak up. Soon after Mr. Trump declared his candidacy, I let it be known on “Access Hollywood Live” that I thought this was an absurd idea. In the days, weeks and months to follow, I was highly critical of the idea of a Trump presidency. The man who once told me — ironically, in another off‑camera conversation — after I called him out for inflating his ratings: “People will just believe you. You just tell them and they believe you,” was, I thought, not a good choice to lead our country. I tried to conduct a serious interview with him as a candidate; each time I requested one I was turned down. This moment in American life is no doubt painful for many women. It is especially painful for the women who have come forward, at the risk of forever being linked to one event, this man, this president of the United States. (I still can’t believe I just wrote that.) To these women: I will never know the fear you felt or the frustration of being summarily dismissed and called a liar, but I do know a lot about the anguish of being inexorably linked to Donald Trump. You have my respect and admiration. You are culture warriors at the forefront of necessary change. I have faith that when the hard work of exposing these injustices is over, the current media drama of who did what to whom will give way to a constructive dialogue between mature men and women in the workplace and beyond. The activist and gender‑relations expert Jackson Katz has said that this is not a women’s issue — it’s a men’s issue. That’s a great place to start, and something I have real thoughts about — but it is a story for another day. Today is about reckoning and reawakening, and I hope it reaches all the guys on the bus. On a personal note, this last year has been an odyssey, the likes of which I hope to never face again: anger, anxiety, betrayal, humiliation, many selfish but, I hope, understandable emotions. But these have given way to light, both spiritual and intellectual. It’s been fortifying. I know that I don’t need the accouterments of fame to know God and be happy. After everything over the last year, I think I’m a better man and father to my three teenage daughters — far from perfect, but better. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/billy-bush-trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?emc=edit_ta_20171203&nl=top-stories&nlid=1747381&ref=cta&_r=0 3/7 12/4/2017 Billy Bush: Yes, Donald Trump, You Said That - The New York Times (https://www.facebook.com/dialog/feed? app_id=9869919170&link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F12%2F03% bush‑trump‑access‑hollywood‑tape.html&smid=fb‑ share&name=Billy%20Bush%3A%20Yes%2C%20Donald%20Trump%2C%20You%20Said% (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet? url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F12%2F03%2Fopinion%2Fbilly‑ bush‑trump‑access‑hollywood‑ tape.html&text=Billy%20Bush%3A%20Yes%2C%20Donald%20Trump%2C%20You%20Sai (mailto:? subject=NYTimes.com%3A%20Billy%20Bush%3A%20Yes%2C%20Donald%20Trump%2C% bush‑trump‑access‑hollywood‑tape.html) 361 Billy Bush is a journalist and the former host of “Access Hollywood” and “Today.” Follow The New York Times Opinion section on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/nytopinion) and Twitter (@NYTopinion) (http://twitter.com/NYTOpinion), and sign up for the Opinion Today newsletter (http://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/opiniontoday/). 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