University will accept more park input By GEOF WHEELWRIGHT just attend another public meeting tal disregard of public opinion. be willing to attend further public interference from any govern­ Thursday's open forum on the is not enough said the chairman of The committee today will discuss discussions of the project. "I'd ment. future of an industrial research the student representative as­ gathering a petition calling for say we'd be very happy to come "Discovery Park Foundation is park at UBC is over, but both sembly's research park commit­ public hearings and guarantees of out and lay everything out on the structured to be completely auton­ UBC students and administration tee. "1 thought we got a snow job. public representation on the park table," he said. omous from the government. We They (public meetings) are quite management committee, he said. didn't want a change in personal­ admit the issue is far from solved. "We haven't etched things in meaningless unless Kenny's will­ But Kenny said if there was suf­ ities to change the route we have Students at the forum said they stone yet, we are open to public ing to have a moratorium," Marty ficient public outcry against the in mind." were unhappy with answers given input." by UBC administration president Lund said. park proposal he would have to But students at the forum said Doug Kenny and Don Larsen, Lund said unless there is a mor­ consider holding public meetings. Despite his alleged openness to they felt it was unlikely they were spokesman for the B.C. Develop­ atorium on development of the "If there were outcries from the public input, Larsen was quick to going to be allowed to change ment Corporation. Kenny said he park any public discussion of the community, that's the most ef­ outline well-defined and firm what Kenny and Larsen "have in is willing to participate in further value of the research park is use­ fective control on the university," plans for the park. And he said he mind." Although Kenny claimed public forums to discuss the pro­ less, because proceedings to de­ he said. wanted the plans for the research the public has been allowed input posed 58-acre research park, but velop the park will continue in to­ And Larsen said he would also park to proceed without political on the matter since he announced refused to call official public hear­ UBC was considering the park ings or consider a moratorium on two years ago, most students still development of the park. felt they had not been consulted. "You can't call a halt to it (de­ "People want some input be­ velopment of the park) for discus­ TUE IIDVCCEV fore the fact and not after the sions. But if you want more public fact," said one student. discussions then we'll have them. IrlE MDI ««E 1 Kenny said the university would We can have another meeting af­ invoke and fully enforce "strict" ter Christmas," said Kenny. federal and provincial safety regu­ Vol. LXII, No. 34 Vancouver, B.C. Friday. November 30,1979 i 228-2301 But Kenny's commitment to lations on the park's tenants. Admin heads hit split roles By RANDY HAHN Denholm said he felt the change University and college ad­ was detrimental to B.C.'s com­ ministrators are dissatisfied with the munity colleges. provincial government's divide and "It is all to the advantage of the rule strategy. universities," he said. "To be in a Simon Fraser University presi­ ministry almost exclusively devoted dent George Pedersen said he has to universities can only be to their reservations about the division in benefit." the former education ministry, leav­ Denholm said that while univer­ ing Pat McGeer in charge of univer­ sities and colleges currently enjoy sities, while Brian Smith takes close ties, it might not be the case in responsibility for all other educa­ the future. tional institutions. "It could conceivably lead to a "In the long run it is an unfor­ situation where universities and col­ tunate decision," Pedersen said. leges drift apart." "It is better to coordinate among all SFU's Pedersen also said he levels and this decision will cut com­ found it odd the way the old port­ munications among the levels of folio was split, because universities •education." have never been removed from UBC administration president community colleges. Doug Kenny said he basically "I doubt that it's been done this agreed with Pedersen. way anywhere else in Canada," he said. "I would have preferred that the The charge reaffirms the Social education ministry remain Credit government's dedication to unitary," he said. "I've always technical and applied education viewed education as a unitary over a humanities and liberal arts — kevin finnegan photo system." one, said Valgeet Johl, UBC's INTRICATE RITUAL dance of local cult provides fascination and delight for many as devotees flock to nearby And a UBC administration vice- Alma Mater Society external affairs muddy frozen fields to engage in traditional ceremonies and arrange themselves in unusual combinations of officer. broken limbs. Object of primitive ceremony is to eventually convey remains of dead pig beyond certain boundaries president said Thursday he felt the set by neutral priest in black while being struck repeatedly around head, shoulders and groin by rival cult. Rugby old education portfolio would not But Kenny said he disagrees with 'Birds won one, lost one Thursday. be split between two ministers for Johl's interpretation. very long. "No, I don't think that would "I personally would have liked to take place at this university," he see the universities and colleges said. Gov't welches on task force voice stick together," said Erich Vogt, Kenny also said he would not per­ faculty and student affairs vice- OTTAWA (CUP) — Education that "the decision has been made by sonally comment on McGeer retain­ final decision on the student repre­ president. officials are disputing whether to the CMEC (Council of ministries of ing the university part of the old sentation question has been made. "In the long run the ministries portfolio. allow students on a new education) that no student repre­ As late as Nov. 29 Lucien Perras, will be combined again. They (col­ "1 don't feel it's appropriate for federal/provincial task force on sentatives will be on the task the council's executive director, leges and universities) have so much a university president to comment student aid, and refuse to commit force." told NUS that the minister of edu­ in common," he said. on a political appointment," he themselves on the issue. The council has told NUS that no cation will have to decide that issue. The task force is "an important Langara College principal J. J. said. matter and one which affects both student representatives and the var­ ious provinces as well as the federal government," secretary of state New amendments constitute AMS war David MacDonald told MP Pauline Armstrong and Shirley Waters introduced mo­ petition with 600 signatures was presented at Jewett (NDP-New Westminster-Co- By JULIE WHEELWRIGHT tions asking the assembly to approve in princi­ an emergency SRA meeting two day later. The quitlam) in the House of Commons The student representative assembly is in the ple a bylaw referendum. right strikes back. Thursday. midst of civil war and the students are caught The motion passed quietly. But two weeks But the left was at an advantage the follow­ "When I met with my officials on in the middle, in a battle zone where the facts are few and the decisions vital. later Armstrong tried to speed up the process ing Wednesday, Nov. 14. Some key members Monday of this week we examined by introducing a petition of 600 signatures and of the right, notably Brian Short, Shirley particularly the way in which we demanding an immediate vote. Waters and Bruce Armstrong were missing. could responsibly involve represent­ Some members claimed the petition was And the SRA voted to postpone the referen­ atives of the students' federation in Analysis questionable. Valgeet Johl, Alma Mater Socie­ dum until written iegal advice concerning the order that there be a total input and ty external affairs officer, said students who vote was given to them. Fine. But a year old involvement by them with respect to The cause of the feud is the proposed con­ signed the petition didn't see the amendments document was produced, another motion in­ the final report and recommenda­ stitutional amendments which students are in their entirety, but an edited version. troduced this week and the referendum was tions which come forward," he being asked to vote on today and throughout Johl also said she had seen duplications in on. Johl seemed to sum up the situation said. next week. the signatures and one student Susan Hughes when she said: MacDonald will meet Dec. 3 with One of the casualties of the battle has been said no explanatory note was attached to the "I'm tired of being told it's the students who National Union of Students repre­ the SRA itself. This issue has successfully petition she signed. want the referendum when it's the members of sentatives to discuss conflicting re­ divided the assembly into two clear factions of The factions began arming themselves. Arm­ the SRA who want it." ports on the status of student repre­ right and left. strong denied the charges and claimed the peti­ And while the members of the assembly sentation on the task force. You, the student, are the other victim of this tion indicated students really wanted the have been fighting their war of words, they Jim Horsman, Alberta's minister fight.